PMS 2.0 1417 - NFL Week 4 Preview/Picks, TNF Recap, Penn State Head Coach James Franklin, Penn State QB Drew Allar, Nick Saban, & AJ Hawk

15:41AJ Hawk:Yeah, I think he basically said, like, listen, you know, everybody loves Keegan. We love Keegan. We talked about it. Hey, Keegan, pick up the bag. You got to play. You got to play. He forgot about his managerial decisions, too. You know, that's the only, you know, he's a good leader, not a great leader. I'm a great leader. So I will be going to not only talk to the boys. I know the four ball groups, I believe, have been released. Ben Griffin was supposed to play with Bryson. Sorry, Ben. That's not going to happen anymore. I will be stepping out there with Bryson. Obviously, we broke 50 together.

16:15AJ Hawk:You did have your shoes on, I see. You had your golf shoes on. You took your clubs, too? I didn't know the president took it.

16:20Pat McAfee:He had golf shoes on, obviously.

16:22AJ Hawk:Well, listen, Pat, you know better than anybody, my golf clubs come with me everywhere. You never know when a local muni maybe needs a new course record. So, yeah, I know a lot of fans excited to see Ben Griffin. He won't be playing. Another guy, Harry English, the Ryder Cup, U.S., Europe. Got an English guy you can expect to see his ass on the pie the rest of the weekend. Listen, our boys didn't play great. That's why I'm coming. That's why I'm going into the team room, the locker room. I'm going to talk to him. But, yeah, you know, listen, Keegan's on the chopping block here. We need to score at least three points this afternoon.

16:58AJ Hawk:Otherwise, everybody's going to be saying, you know, Keegan, you remind me a lot of Joe Biden. We need the other guy. He needs to wake up. He needs to bring the juice. One more presidential decree, free beer for all Americans for the rest of the afternoon. I would like to see people blacked out in the crowd. USA! USA! Exactly. Shouting slurs at Bobby Mac. calling him a fat bastard from Scotland or wherever he is. We need to capture the juice back at Bethpage. That's why DJT's coming to town.

17:32Pat McAfee:All right. Well, I don't know if he said all those things, but it did feel that.

17:36AJ Hawk:It was like a truncated version of what he said pretty much.

17:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, maybe they're all thoughts potentially. Yeah. Maybe they're all thoughts at one moment. But him saying, I saw they weren't doing good, grabbed my granddaughter, great golfer. She might be playing too. I mean, English might be out. Andy, who's the other guy on our team? Yeah, Ben Griffin. Exactly. That was part of the problem. I'm watching these guys to Foxy's point. I'm watching these guys. We have the game day production meeting. Obviously, we have Ryder Cup on our phones. Okay. While there's all things going on. And I'm watching these guys just let us down. Okay. Let the United States down.

18:10Pat McAfee:I know it's a long weekend. There's a lot ahead. But exactly to Foxy's point, the people that were putting them down, I knew more about than the guys that were going down. You know, it was, Foxy, how do you feel about what our chances are with how this whole thing started? I thought we were going to steamroll. Greatest win of all time. DeChambeau gorillas a ball to the green, and then he makes, what, a 14-foot putt, 15-foot putt, I don't know what that was, and walks it in to start that entire thing. We have that flyover. How are you doing? Keep it moving. I mean, the crowd was electric at, what, 5.30 a.m.?

18:43Pat McAfee:We're seeing videos of them going insane. This is how the whole thing starts. I legitimately thought it was we win all of them. What are your thoughts, Foxy? Yeah, it was worst-case scenario, Pat, because all of those fans were juiced up. Like you said, 5 a.m., they're ready to go. And then what do the Euros do? The Euros come out, and they make a million putts. They quiet the crowd. No one in New York is loud anymore. The American fans. That's the run game. That's the run game. When you're on the road, you quiet the crowd early. That's what the Euros did. They had a good plan. And honestly, like I said, the coolness factor, it's definitely playing today because I knew all those Euros and all of them were making big plays.

19:22Pat McAfee:And our guys that I said aren't as cool, they didn't play good except for one of them who did get a point for us today.

19:28Drew Allar:We have more pizzazz coming in the afternoon. That's for sure.

19:31AJ Hawk:Yeah, DJT.

19:32Drew Allar:DJT. Five, six minutes, right? JJ Spohn, Sam Burns, Cam Young. Those guys have a little bit more pizzazz, a little bit more juice in the afternoon.

19:41Pat McAfee:Maybe Keegan Bradley's strategy was for us to just get smacked in the mouth early That's the problem

19:47AJ Hawk:The guy with the most moxie is Keegan Bradley And I love Keegan Bradley He's a New England guy He loves being the guy or the golfer from the cold area He completely, respectfully fucked us Because the United States is going to lose They're actually going to get the doors No! You can't give up this early It is so bad I mean, watching this morning, it wasn't fun. I don't know why I woke up and got all excited about this. Our team is a bunch. I believe they actually changed the name this year to the United States Wet Blankets because that's the team that we're basically wheeling out there. If Bradley was on the squad chirping, that'd be great.

20:29AJ Hawk:By the way, I also saw that they did the whole Ryder Cup ball or whatever, and all of the guys on the United States wore white sneakers and the Europe team, they looked great, dressed to the nines, top to bottom. We look like slouches, and we have no moxie. This is possibly the worst group of Americans assembled for a sporting event in the history of our country.

20:54Nick Saban:And I'm bummed out. What if we make a run? We might make a run. I would say, isn't this like a game? Isn't this, Pat, something like a football game to where you go to halftime and you're down maybe 14-0, and you've turned the ball over four times, and they've played their best possible ball. And your coach is thinking, hey, we've played as bad as we possibly can. They have done everything that they possibly can do. There's no way they can play better than this. So we're going to come out here in the second half and dominate these dudes.

21:18Pat McAfee:It was 33-0 in Minnesota. Bingo. Indianapolis Colts. All right? And Pat Peterson comes out and says, we need five stops. That's all we need here. And whenever you simplify it to just, boys, all we got to do here is just keep making our putts. If you make putts at the Ryder Cup, crowd. I mean, that's, you win. Normally those things carry over. Whenever I saw it, it was four or five early. Because usually it's tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, tie, and then somebody picks one up. That's usually because people can't make putts. Normally they're rimming out, bang, doing that whole thing. Europe came with their flat sticks dialed the fuck in.

21:56Pat McAfee:I mean, what is the problem here? Sorry, everybody that's here. I mean, institutions, I am so sorry.

22:02Drew Allar:There's a lot of people back there. They get it. They get it.

22:04AJ Hawk:We're talking about the Ryder Cup. It's a big deal.

22:07Pat McAfee:If they saw what was happening, they had to have, by the way. It felt like everybody was watching. USA Network had day one of the Ryder Cup. There was also a stream on Peacock, Bryson DeChambeau's group. Really? Just that group? Yes. Yes, I did not know about the streaming of the DeChambeau group. I may or may not have called some people and been like, hey is there not we're it's 2020 we got to be able to right somewhere boom there's an altcast stream on peacock right now okay cool to be able to does anybody does everybody know that that that's and then all weekend it's on peacock i think so there's going to be i think we got we got super coverage i think coming up but boy day one having go to commercials i think a lot of people are not happy about and then some of the there's a lot of people loud about the coverage and i think that's because of how invested we are, Tone.

23:01Pat McAfee:Is that what you think? Yes. Because of how invested we are.

23:03Drew Allar:And also how invested we are. Okay. And this is something that happens every two years. We want to see everything. But there's other, like the Masters, you can see every single shot if you want it. And there's 150 golfers in the field. There's eight pairings out there. We should not be in a situation where we miss one shot and we're questioning, oh, how did they go up one up in this situation? Like that happened a bunch. There was way too little playthroughs and way too many full screen commercials. That was absurd. It should be all playthroughs. The audio was so bad. They weren't even picking up off the tee, like the drive sound and everything like that, and the crowd.

23:38Drew Allar:It was a tough first morning for the USA Network and Team USA as well.

23:42AJ Hawk:I'm starting to think that there's a chance that they told them on Tuesday this week that they had the coverage. Yeah, and they had to scramble to put everything together by Friday morning.

23:52Nick Saban:That would make sense. I sure hope not. There's a chance. We need our boys to come out here about two minutes, maybe one minute from now, We're going to be teeing off right for our second round. Here we are. Big afternoon.

24:02AJ Hawk:We need the fans to get liquored up here. We need the fans to get loud. And we need USA to fix the audio so we can all hear that. Because we need a little momentum here, fellas.

24:10Drew Allar:Foxy, one of the problems was the liquor stands didn't open until 9 a.m. If they're teeing off at 7, open up the liquor stands at 7 a.m. That cannot happen. What are we doing?

24:19AJ Hawk:I thought this was America. Liquor stands should be open when the gates open. Bingo. 5 a.m. Booze. Booze.

24:25Drew Allar:In goal. The crowd was getting hyped towards the end because they were all starting to get boozed up. Exactly.

24:30Nick Saban:They should be nice and hammered by the time we tee off here in a couple minutes. Absolutely. Especially with this little break we have. Pat, what's going on back there, buddy?

24:37Pat McAfee:I have a guy who's been a coach at a place in the modern era for 12 years. I have a man who has a team that is currently number three in the country. I have a man who's hosting college game day and a man who is going to see a nighttime whiteout tomorrow night against the Oregon Ducks. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach of the Ninny Lions, James Franklin. You got a fresh cut. You're looking good right now. Hey, I shaved my face. It's a new thing. Clean shaven. Thank you. I did a movie. It sounds so Hollywood. I did a movie, and for the character, I had to have a clean shave. And I didn't realize that I have a jawline right now.

25:12Pat McAfee:I'm Irish, Coach. So when I get a little fat, that thing goes right here. So normally we put that beard on to cover. You're looking good, man. Thank you. So this will only probably last two, three more weeks. I'm getting less discipline as the weeks go on in football. You know what I mean? Let's talk about your team. Yes, sir. Okay, so the conversation around your squad, I don't know if you know this or not because you stay isolated. I asked him if he knew what was going on in the Ryder Cup. He said he did not know what was going on in the Ryder Cup. I broke the news. It's not, yeah. It's bad.

25:34Pat McAfee:It's not great for him. Come on. Come on, America. Yes. We need you. Yes, we do. Come on. I don't know anything about golf, but it's time to go. Okay, I appreciate that. Speaking of time to go, everybody's talking about how first couple weeks of the season, obviously not the greatest competition. So this is the first time we're going to get a chance to see your team. Do you feel like that as well? Like, do you think, are you still wondering what exactly this year's team is? Is tomorrow one of those big tests? Or how have you kind of judged your team thus far?

26:00Drew Allar:Yeah, I think with everybody, right, whether it's in the NFL, whether it's college, you're waiting for that first big opponent that people describe where both are going to be tested and how you're going to handle that. So we got a ton of respect for the first three teams that we've played. But obviously this is different. This is the number six team in the country coming into our place. ton of talent, ton of weapons, a lot of success. We obviously played them last year as well. So this is our first true test. I think that's fair.

26:29Pat McAfee:Okay. So when you see this team, obviously we know Oregon and we know of a tight end and we know what Dan Lanning's teams are like. Quarterback though, with them, with this environment, what are you expecting from them on the offensive side of the ball with quarterback Dante? And what are you expecting from like this

26:47Drew Allar:environment from your team and from their team yeah i i love dante we recruited him out of detroit out of high school five star number one quarterback in the country and i've been super impressed with his path right in today's college football he goes to ucla starts three or four games as a true freshman chooses to go or go to oregon and sit behind a guy for a year uh very few guys are making that type of choice at that level of quarterback and now obviously he's playing at a high level year three he's got tremendous talent around him number one the wide receiver is a problem the tight end number 18 is a problem they've had our attention all week long but it's not just them they got two really good running backs as well they got a massive offensive line in front of them so they've put a ton of good stuff on tape a lot of challenges he's been able to retain his coordinators and his staff so this is going to be a real challenge for us any

27:41Pat McAfee:environment i mean talk about it because so this is an interesting thing i feel like i've experienced a lot of things one of the things that i would like to experience is a night white out game like just because growing up in pittsburgh obviously and having a lot of friends that are penn state cult members and just if i was here you would have been here well i wouldn't let you leave the state it's huge mistake i won the kicking camp on these grounds i've heard the story yeah i mean i dominated this thing too I mean I it was you got a eligibility left no I mean maybe they're making new rules I might actually I get five years right okay I think you do too we will take AJ too this could be a package deal with AJ yeah and you yeah let's do it we could but let's talk about this environment yeah it's okay did you play in this ever oh yeah I got beat I lost a whiteout for

28:28Nick Saban:sure it's it's a it's a raucous environment it's an it's an unbelievable experience to play in that for sure what are your thoughts on nighttime I know

28:35Pat McAfee:that's a conversation but it is real like ohio state has the same conversation about their big games playing at noon every single time it's just a different environment when folks have all day to get to or just lights always make things feel bigger correct and and listen fox has done a

28:48Drew Allar:phenomenal job you got to give them credit they've done an incredible job with 12 o 'clock games but the night games are different um you know we got we got rvs been coming in since wednesday there's already thousands of them out there already ready to go um they got all day long to watch college football, to get lathered up, get ready to go. And then obviously the first whiteout ever with two top six teams. So we've been doing this for 18 years, and it's the first time that this has happened. So everything that you want is here.

29:19Nick Saban:AJ, we got some history, brother. What's your question for Coach? Coach, your quarterback, Drew Allen, obviously I think he's going to come on the show here a little bit later and talk to us. But what's it like having a guy with that much, you know, that many reps, that many big-time situations where he's been in, he's played in the brightest lights. It's like, what does that do for your confidence, not only your coaching staff, but also the rest of your team?

29:38Drew Allar:Well, I think the other thing is you got to live that position. And this guy lives it. He's in the building at 6 o 'clock. He's asking all the right questions. He's holding his teammates accountable. He's what's right about college football. And I think he's got a very, very bright future. So experience counts, specifically at that position. He's been in these big games. He's been in these big, big moments. They haven't all gone his way or our way, but you learn from that. He's been a proven commodity, and I expect him to play extremely well. I think he plays his best when he's got a chip on his shoulder.

30:16Drew Allar:If you watch the West Virginia, I don't mean to bring it up, but you watch the West Virginia game. Feels like it kind of. I'm sorry. From two years ago, he had a chip on his shoulder. He ran a linebacker over. To me, that's when he's at his best.

30:28Pat McAfee:Unbelievable. You were going to fit that in at any moment? Well, I wouldn't let you leave the state. I led with that. Let's be clear. And you're going to get that in there, and then we're going to come back to what happened. Rain delay too, the way you guys came out of that in a much smaller locker room. I'll tell you what, that was absolutely depressing. The way Aller season ended, obviously talked about a lot. Yep. Not the best way. And you said not all has gone his way. There's only one team a year where every game goes their way. That's exactly right. That is literally how it is. I was excited to see how Aller was going to respond from that moment.

30:55Pat McAfee:I too had one of those moments at a much different position. Missed a couple big kicks in a big game at the end of the season. The whole world feels like it's crashing down on you. And most of the time it actually is. That's right. And then how do you kind of fight out of that? What did you see from him this offseason? You talk about living it and being a leader, but mentally attacking that. And then now having his biggest test. Do you think he's prepared? Do you think this is when he's going to show up biggest? And is that a motive, like to prove everybody wrong that was burying him?

31:18Drew Allar:Yeah, well, I think it's telling, right? The guy could have left last year as a first-round draft choice. So if you're running from that, you go to the NFL as a first-round draft choice. He came back. He came back because I think he wants to finish this thing the right way. I think there's unfinished business for him and he's used it as fuel the guy is leaner he was 242 last year he's about 235 right now he's athletic he's six foot five he's 235 pounds he can make all the throws on the field and year two now with Andy Koldanicki in this offense and those two running backs that we got behind him there's an opportunity to really you know put this put this team

31:57Pat McAfee:in a really good position in his behalf early in the season but man such awesome expectations for your team, honestly. Doesn't it feel good for your team to have these types of expectations going in? And also knowing that it feels like Penn State's one of the schools, just from what I've learned, that we are gonna be expectations every single year in national championship. Last year, you get a taste of it. This year, coming into the season, it has to feel good that you are expected to win a national championship, basically now at Penn State, every single year. I assume that's how you viewed life here for the long time, but now it's very real, if it isn't.

32:29Drew Allar:I think you've got to embrace that, right? That's why you came to Penn State. That's why Drew came to Penn State. Every single one of our players and coaches, this is why you chose this type of program, to play in these type of games and have an opportunity to do something special. So we talk about 1-0 every single week, but we don't hide from the national championship discussions. But as you know, it's critical that you stay focused one game at a time.

32:54Pat McAfee:Process, brother. Let's go to the toxic table back at the Thunderdome.

32:56AJ Hawk:Ty Schmidt has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, with a lot of these marquee Big Ten games in the past, they're very – you feel out the opponent. It's pretty cagey, and a lot of times we go to half, whether it's 10-10 or 14-10 or 7-7, low-scoring games. But with this game on Saturday specifically, with the whiteout and how crazy the crowd is going to be, and also knowing what Oregon can do offensively and how sometimes those points come in bunches, how important is it to get off to a fast start on Saturday?

33:26Drew Allar:Yeah, I think that's a great point. If you look at Oregon and how they're built and how they play, it's usually starting fast. That opening drive is going to be critical for us and for them. They're used to playing with a lead. If you can kind of change the game and slow them down, then it becomes more of a traditional Big Ten game, but that's not how they want it to be played. So starting fast is going to be really important for us because that's a big part of their identity. I think that's a great point.

33:54Pat McAfee:Is that your alarm? Oh.

34:03Pat McAfee:Kind of a banger, dude.

34:05Drew Allar:There's no doubt. There's no doubt. I'm not a big alarm guy. We don't have an alarm? No, I just kind of wake up every single... Usually around 5. Yeah, usually around 5. I'm usually in the office for 5.45, 6.

34:14Pat McAfee:Are you a coffee immediately upon waking up, or are you a natural as soon as you wake up? Wow.

34:19Drew Allar:I just started drinking coffee like 4 to 5 years ago, and they were like ice cream sundaes now it's black um maturity that's yeah it's maturity i

34:29Pat McAfee:guess i i hate it i hate the black coffee so i'll put two splendas in there now i think splendor is terrible for you from i don't know i don't know i don't want splendor to say i don't know but i

34:39Drew Allar:know that i was you're not getting an nil deal i know i know i use it every day and then that's

34:43Pat McAfee:why i went to australia they have like a lot of rules on their foods splendor nowhere to be found So I was like, oh, no. What are we going to do? What am I? No, but also, what have I been doing? It was like one of those conversations. I just recently became a coffee guy, too. The Nespresso machine, do you have that?

34:58Drew Allar:No. We have some machines over there that are phenomenal that I just kind of go. But I only drink it. We don't have coffee at home. We don't have machines.

35:05Pat McAfee:I only drink it at work. Put one right on your desk. I'm looking at his office. This is going to get a shot. I don't know who's that guy in the back there. That's my boy. What's his name?

35:15Drew Allar:JJ.

35:16Pat McAfee:My roommate at Washington State. Really? That's my roommate at Washington State. JJ, that a baby! What up? What up?

35:23Drew Allar:JJ!

35:23Pat McAfee:What up? All right, we appreciate it. AP Tone has a question for you, Coach.

35:28Drew Allar:Yeah, Coach, I do. Obviously, big off-season news, bringing Jim Knowles in as your new defensive coordinator after Tom Allen goes to Clemson. Obviously, he was with the national champion Ohio State team last year. He played Oregon twice, looked really good against them in the playoffs. How big is it bringing him over? How's that been? And how nice is it having him face them twice last season? Well, first of all, I love the USA hat. You're rocking there. You're looking sharp. Rider Cup. Rider Cup. Got to bring it back. Thank you. Yeah, hiring Jim Knowles was obviously a big one for us. A guy that's won a national championship.

36:02Drew Allar:We've got Stan Drayton on our staff as well that also won a national championship. And obviously what he's been able to do defensively. If you look at the last two years, Jim's defenses have been as good as anybody. And being able to do what he was able to do against Oregon. You talked about playing. He wasn't necessarily playing, but obviously he orchestrated the defense. And when we had an opportunity to bring him home, another Pennsylvania guy went to St. Joe's Prep in Philadelphia. So being able to bring him back home and be a part of our Penn State family was huge.

36:32Pat McAfee:The Ohio State people love that, right, AJ? Didn't you guys love that?

36:36Nick Saban:Yeah, you know, we got Matty Patricia right now. Everyone won. everybody's a winner in this situation mad he's doing a great job yeah he's doing a great job

36:44Pat McAfee:okay for you how much are you scouting like big 10 games obviously very important this is a huge building i don't know how many people are working here for penn state football but much like everywhere else that is fully invested in sports right now a lot big operation what do you have how many people do you have working in like scouting uh department almost how many people do you have like a future team research or recon? Like how, what is the, what is all in here? This is a beautiful facility by the way. And thank you for the hospitality. But how many people are kind of under this roof kind of operating every day?

37:15Drew Allar:Yeah, we have about 70, we have about 70, but then there's obviously a ton of interns, student interns as well that do a phenomenal job for us. So it's a big operation, whether it's sports science, whether it's recruiting, we don't really break it up like kind of the nfl in terms of recruiting and then you know player personnel where you're evaluating other staffs kind of do it all within one roof we got about 10 people working in recruiting and they do a phenomenal job for us a gm andy frank who's got an engineering degree from princeton which makes sense to work in football right of course yeah it makes total sense i'd

37:49Pat McAfee:like a princeton engineer working with me as opposed to working against me that's right that's fair i don't know if i'd ever think i'd work with a princeton you're working with a princeton

37:56Drew Allar:engineer yeah yeah he runs he's our gm does a phenomenal job good you football guy football

38:01Pat McAfee:guy working with engineers it's a full business it's a full operation it's a full operation and penn state is operating at a very high level i saw that you had uh coach katie i believe from the women's volleyball team national champion uh on your show last night and then con man back at the toxic table their coffee our hockey team fully invested here as well kind of the state of the sports here connor is what he wants to ask you about yeah coach how awesome was it uh you know

38:23AJ Hawk:when you see a Gavin McKenna and you see Pat Kraft come out and, you know, they're doing the stadium and they're spending money, not just on football, but all the other sports as well. How motivating is that for you to just continue to get better? And how excited are you to work with Pat Kraft and not have to ask for anything and more so tell him like, no, it's okay. We don't need a new$10 million workout facility at this exact moment.

38:50Drew Allar:Yeah, I'm not saying no to anything, to be honest with you. that that's not happening but yeah pat's been phenomenal and i think you guys understand this but but having an ad who played football in the big 10 who's waking up every single morning wanting to win a national championship you feel like he's in the foxhole with you that that that alignment in leadership from the head coach to the ad to the president of university to the chair of the board it's critical and i know you guys just kind of went through this at West Virginia with bringing coach back. Yes. That alignment is critical, and we're in that position right now, and that's why you see a lot of these decisions being made, a lot more yeses in the offseason that we used to get, and they add up just like the little no's used to add up too.

39:38In the modern world, those yeses matter more than anything, I think.

39:43Pat McAfee:And it sounds like what you guys are doing here with sports, and Pat Craft, middle linebacker for Indiana. Neck roll. Neck roll. and you look at him, he looks like one too. We're talking block head, like a square head.

39:55Nick Saban:That's back when you could take dude's heads off too. That's like, you know, that area.

39:58Drew Allar:Yeah, neck roll, running down on kickoff. You're going to see him. He'll be on the sideline, and sometimes I'm a little worried about him more than what's going on in the field. He's going to come out and get on the field and get a flag. You need to worry about the players, coach, not him. I know, but watch him. Watch him on the sideline. Watch him at wrestling. Like, I think he thinks he's going to go on the mat with Cale.

40:15Pat McAfee:I forgot you guys have 100 national champions in wrestling.

40:18Drew Allar:Yeah, they just don't lose. Kale went undefeated his entire career. Look at Pat.

40:24Pat McAfee:Look at the neck roll. That's when you wore shoulder pats. That's the athletic director for Penn State. That's what I'm talking about. Remember him at the Orange Bowl?

40:32AJ Hawk:Pat, you pointed him out at the Orange Bowl when we were on the sideline against Notre Dame, and he was basically forearm shivering guys up and down the sideline before the game started. Yeah,

40:44Drew Allar:he's a psycho.

40:46Pat McAfee:And we got LeVar Arrington as the guest picker. Yeah. I think he was on the sideline down there as well. And his son's with us.

40:52Drew Allar:We signed his son this year, LeVar Jr. Smart play. Yeah, yeah, and you should see him. Stud. Jumping. Yeah, stud.

40:58Pat McAfee:We got the whole thing. Mammal, I believe. Yeah. That's the way that the Arrington family is described, and that's the highest level. LeVar Arrington. And I think we're going to show some highlights.

41:07Drew Allar:And his son's wearing 11 for us, too. Been a lot of pretty good 11s. That's a big number there.

41:12Pat McAfee:Yeah. Ika Parsons. Hold on, we got a stat about you. Yeah. We got a stat about you being an NFL factory.

41:18AJ Hawk:Great one.

41:18Pat McAfee:Penn State, first-round draft picks, last five drafts, 2021 through 2025. 2021, I don't want to say his name wrong. Odafe Owe. Okay, he won 31st. Micah Parsons then won 12th in 2021 as well. John Dotson, 16th in 2022. Chop Robinson in 2024 won 21st. Olu Fushanu won 11th in 2024. Then, obviously, Tyler Warren goes 14th to the Colts. We're winning the season. How happy are you about that right now? Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for that. We saw him hit his head. What was that? In Notre Dame? Yeah, Notre Dame. Orange Bowl. Notre Dame. Yeah. He hits his head on the sideline. We were down on the field, you know, calling it.

42:02Pat McAfee:It don't matter. He got right back up. Yeah.

42:04Drew Allar:Old school. You see the flow he's got going on. He's a trash watch. And I'm not going to bring it up, but another team took another tight end in front. Somebody took another tight end in front of that guy.

42:13Pat McAfee:You can say it. It was the Bears, coach. Thank God. The Bears. I'm not gonna say it. Thank God they did. Okay. And then obviously, Abdul Carter, one number three. Yeah. Overall, you've become a NFL factory, which I think coach Saban talks about a lot in building up trust with high schoolers and families whenever you're selling them on the vision. Hey, everybody wants to make it to the NFL. We have proven we can do that. I think you have that box checked. You obviously have support and alignment from the entire organization. And obviously this place is gonna be electrifying with their fans. Feels like you guys got it all up here.

42:44Pat McAfee:I appreciate the hell out of your hospitality Thank you for welcoming us in here. Appreciate you. And I hope to see you on the sideline at the whiteout. Okay. Come on. You got experience. What do you wear? What's the costume? What do you guys wear during the game? We got...

42:55Drew Allar:The coaches or the players? Coaches. Coaches, we're going to contrast. So we're just being our normal... Our normal...

43:00Pat McAfee:Hey, Oregon's trying to steal the whiteout. They're wearing white jerseys. Is that normal? Yeah, they're the away team. So they always win. Is that how it always is? Yeah, yeah.

43:07Drew Allar:So everybody wants us to wear white with the whiteout. But the reality is you want the contrast. So you got the black sky. You got the white crowd. and then you got the blue contrasting uniforms in front of it's great for

43:18Pat McAfee:quarterbacks to the white would just blend it all in oh so this is actually potentially a little bit of an advantage yeah oh yeah they investigate the white out I hope not not for tomorrow at least I appreciate you thanks man thank you for the time boys back to you as a coach James Franklin literally opens his

43:33AJ Hawk:office door right here behind Gumpy to go say what's up to JJ right behind coach

43:43Nick Saban:gump right there that's that's awesome to see tone what's uh what's everybody thinking about

43:47Drew Allar:this game as far as betters do you have any idea i to be honest with you um a lot of them are thinking oregon just because of the record recently with penn state you know against these top ranked teams but oregon also is one of those teams that has had trouble winning on the road in these big games too so it's really like these two teams are going to get a monkey one of these two teams is going to get a monkey off their back and be in a great seat for the college football player.

44:12Nick Saban:Whichever quarterback plays best, that's who the team wins, you think?

44:15AJ Hawk:Yeah, probably. I mean, the first game I ever watched at Oregon this season was last week, and Dante Moore looked unbelievable. What's the deal? Is this a real situation where it's like, hey, Penn State was running a high school offense the first three weeks, and now they're going to roll out a new offense? Is that an actual thing? because it feels as though the conversation around Penn State is they're undefeated. Everyone says they stink, but in reality, they haven't actually used their real genuine playbook.

44:44Drew Allar:I'll be 100 % honest. I haven't watched the tape, but people who have have said that it's been a very bland vanilla offense. It doesn't look like they've done a lot of their stuff that they did last year. But then there's people you talk to who are Penn State fans, and they agree with that, yes. But they're also saying if we're running our bland vanilla stuff, we should still be winning by more points versus these schools. You know what I mean?

45:02Nick Saban:Yeah. And it's not like you have two different playbooks. You install everything in the summer. But you have a wrinkle in the summer. But yeah, there's definitely concepts that they haven't shown yet, I'm sure.

45:12AJ Hawk:But like you said with the quarterbacks, though, again, you can cherry pick to find whatever stats you want to make your case. But we had that stat about Drew Aller on third down and in the red zone and his QBR. And a couple of those are the worst in D1 for qualified quarterbacks. You can't be doing that if you're supposed to be a top five, maybe the first overall pick. So, yeah, like if he doesn't play well, they're probably not going to win.

45:37Nick Saban:Yeah.

45:38AJ Hawk:I mean, that's kind of – that's football, isn't it? Yeah, it kind of is.

45:40Drew Allar:How big advantage is it for Penn State's defense at home with that noise?

45:44Nick Saban:It's pretty serious. Yeah, like it's an awesome, awesome environment. Yeah, being a defensive guy playing there, you know, it affects the road offense, the away offense. Like that first time they go out there, the first time – especially like let's say Penn State gets the ball and they score first and then Oregon comes out down 7-0 with the ball. When they come trotting out, that's going to be super-duper loud.

46:08Drew Allar:It's going to be awesome. There's a clip going around right now. I think it was –

46:11AJ Hawk:McNamara's Michigan.

46:12Drew Allar:Yeah, 2021 maybe or something like that. They're playing Mo Bamba right before the first play of the game. Michigan forgets to run a play. They get a delayed game when the first play of the game was awesome.

46:21Nick Saban:Yeah, you cannot replicate that. You cannot do it in practice. Pat, I don't know if Coach is still with you or not. Maybe he went right by Gump, gave him five, went to see his bud, huh?

46:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, we just took a selfie with the coach, you know, had Beaver Stadium in the background with the practice facility here. It's really a beautiful setup. So Beaver Stadium is right off to your right? Yeah, I don't know, actually, if we can get it. Let me see here. That's cool. Over that hill?

46:46AJ Hawk:Foilage is beautiful this time of the year up there, eh? Yeah.

46:48Pat McAfee:It's like great. I don't know if it's going to be able to.

46:50Drew Allar:The same situation as Miami when you're trying to get the pool, but that wall was just in the wall. There it is. There it is. Sniff it.

46:56Nick Saban:There it is. Top left window. You see it. They always do a great job. The grass is always beautiful. Yeah

47:07Nick Saban:Part of the press box I think we see yeah, it's back there.

47:10Pat McAfee:It is huge. You're expecting a hundred and twelve thousand plus Many people heart and you gotta remember when you're flying in here You're you're rolling in I mean I guess this would be the one to show that look at these hills back here, dude It is just pretty cool The last 30 minutes of the flight in is just like these rolling hills, and then there was a low cloud cover, so it looked like it was fog. And then we land in here, and it's obvious like you just feel the buzz of Penn State ball, and it's always been like that here. Always been a football place. Always. In football weekends especially, I mean, whiteout weekends are about to be insanity.

47:44Pat McAfee:I have no idea how these people survive these things. He talked about the trailers coming in. You have to do that because, like, to get here, it is a, you know, You got to get in here, and it's like, here we go. It's not a major city. It's not just here, though. Yeah, there's a lot of boilermakers. It's not just here, though. Football has a huge – ball has a huge weekend, AJ. We put it onto one graphic here. College football, obviously, we've talked about it. Five massive, massive matchups with national championship and playoff implications across the board throughout the entirety of the day. And then on NFL Sunday, yeah, right.

48:20Pat McAfee:We got eight huge games that start at 9.30 a.m. all the way through primetime where Micah Parsons is heading back to the Dallas Cowboys in Jerry world. And Jerry actually said earlier today, he said, shit, he is a good player, isn't he? Did we ever win a Super Bowl with him? Did we ever win a Super Bowl? I don't think we ever won a Super Bowl with him. Did we? I wasn't. Was I there? I missed it. Jerry Jones is certainly not shying away from the moment. And we've heard him talk on red carpets about how if there's no drama, I'll certainly create some. You know, the Cowboys will bring some. This week is a Jerry Jones Super Bowl for sure, AJ.

48:55Pat McAfee:And I feel like the vibes for ball, especially whenever you add in the Ryder Cup happening all weekend, it's like we got a great sports weekend. We need to celebrate the shit out of AJ.

49:05Nick Saban:Yeah, we got a beautiful fall weekend, especially anyone in the Midwest, I think. Now, is Jerry going to cross paths with Micah slash Michael in pregame? Does Jerry roam the sidelines at all in pregame? Do we know? Because the cameras will be on them. I thought he does. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he does. You think they're going to shake hands? You think he'll shake hands? No. Give him a hug?

49:21Drew Allar:No.

49:21AJ Hawk:No. Post game. I assume he says, hello, Michael. Yeah, you're probably right. He might. Just one. Not too much, but just like a Michael. You think Michael notices that he's been calling him Michael? Yeah, I think he does.

49:32Pat McAfee:Definitely.

49:33Nick Saban:Definitely.

49:35Pat McAfee:Yeah. I think you certainly know that. I think you definitely would know that.

49:40AJ Hawk:Did you see the relationship? Did you see the situation with the suite that he bought the suite for the entire year? So his family's still going to all the Cowboys games. Are they really? Yeah. He said there's no refunds. They can't get any of the money back.

49:55Pat McAfee:No, you got to remember. You got to remember. That's happened to other guys. Like Darius Leonard. Remember when he left the Colts? He still had his suite. Because he was watching the games down in our suite. The Colts games. Like at the same time. And I was like, so you're coming to games. He's like, I paid for the suite.

50:10Nick Saban:Did you sublet it? Did you sublease it to some other family or something?

50:15Pat McAfee:I mean, probably, but I assume he has members of his family or maybe people he knows down there that are just probably going to the game. Because live games are a great time. The best. Our friends at SeatGeek provide tickets, obviously, at a better price than everybody else. And if it's not the best price for the ticket, they'll certainly tell you that you should go shop for it elsewhere. And they have tickets to absolutely everything. They're fantastic. But these live games that we go to for the Colts, it's such a spectacular event. I couldn't even imagine what this Packers Cowboys events Jerry Jones gonna be what we like to call in his bag He's gonna be door dashing every form of entertainment and explosive that he could possibly have I think we're looking at one of the most awesome nights of football that we've ever had maybe when Peyton had his 1812 game against Andrew Luck and he came back to Indianapolis and they treated as if it was a Super Bowl because it certainly was in its entirety, but whenever you think about Michael going back against his nemesis, Jared Jones.

51:08Pat McAfee:And then NBC sending everything they got that isn't at the Ryder Cup down there to celebrate it and focal point it. The amount of behind-the-scenes stories we're going to hear about, the interviews, the sit-downs, everything that's going to come from this game, it's going to feel like it's a bowl game, like it's a Super Bowl game, like it's a playoff game. And I'm happy as hell it's only week four and we're already getting this.

51:24Nick Saban:Until they actually kick the ball off and the Packers beat them by 30. Yeah, what if Micah gets a pressure and a sack on the first drive? I think there's a good chance.

51:33Pat McAfee:What if Jordan Love actually has so much time in the pocket that he actually starts pointing around where Micah would have been? Micah probably right here is probably where he would have been and then throws in the middle of the game. I'm not saying he's going to do that. He just wants to win. He's going to be focused. It's just not our game. It's not a football game. But there's a chance that there is a little bit of maybe Dallas not doing well against Green Bay's offense and then Green Bay's defense doing very well against Dallas' offense. Now, there's a chance the complete opposite happens as well.

52:03Pat McAfee:It's obviously ball, and emotions can run in different fashions, and people can execute, and Dak Prescott is still Dak Prescott. So let's understand that the Dallas Cowboys are certainly a capable team, but, boy, they've been getting beat up on that defensive side of the ball, and Green Bay's offense can certainly be explosive. And if there's a missing piece from that defense that could be fixing everything right now, and he's actually showcasing his shit for the other team against them, it could get loud down there, Ty Schmidt.

52:32AJ Hawk:Yeah, without a doubt. And I think there's also a chance that Kenny Clark doesn't play, which would be kind of just like another double A. The guy you traded for, he's hurt already. The guy you traded away, he has three and a half sacks. And then obviously on top of that, you know, you got issues on the O-line with them having guys out. CD might not play. So, like, you know, CD probably isn't going to play, I should say. So it's looking to be, you know, it's tough because everyone, Kind of like last week, everyone's picking the Packers. Everyone's expecting the Packers not only to win but to beat the shit out of the Cowboys.

53:05AJ Hawk:So I think there could be a little bit of a, I don't want to say a trap game a week after losing to Cleveland, but there's a little bit of that there as well.

53:13Pat McAfee:I'm not worried about the boys. The floor's got them buzzing. Do you think this is the year for the Green Bay Packers? AJ, you look around the NFL, and it's like, who's who? Do we really know? Outside the Indianapolis Colts, the Buffalo Beals. That's damn near it. The Eagles, yeah, Bucs. Yeah, people are still trying to find their identity, no question. Okay, so let's talk about what is the Packers' identity. Is this defense going to be what this defense has been for the first couple weeks for the rest of the season? Yeah, they lost 13-10, right?

53:41Nick Saban:Their defense played unbelievable. Their defense was still good against the Browns. The offense obviously was not doing what they should do. But I know maybe it was a good early wake-up game. I know LaFleur has talked about that. Who on the Packers came out and said we can go on the team? Rasheed Walker, the left tackle. And LaFleur did not love to hear that. So maybe it's a good time to get that early wake-up call to where everyone's patting you on the little bum and telling you how great you are. That's the coach's worst nightmare, I think, for players to start hearing that.

54:07Pat McAfee:You talked about early wake-up call. How about the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Minnesota Vikings? We get a 930 game. How do you think Aaron and the Steelers fare there? My natural instinct is like, man, this could be a very good game for the Vikings. But then I automatically think of TJ Watt just wrecking the game in Ireland because he's in Ireland and wants to do that. Same thing with Aaron. You know, it's like this one's tough to kind of forecast, I think. What are your thoughts?

54:29Nick Saban:Yeah, it is. Well, first, I don't know why. I always assume the field's going to be all mush and rubbish over there. It's pretty wet. I don't know what the footing is going to be like. But I think either Carson Wentz either has a monster day or he has a really, really tough day. I feel like it's one of those games for him.

54:44Pat McAfee:Tywin, what are your thoughts? The Steelers' defense obviously hasn't been something you've been super pumped about. Carson Wentz looked elite with Kevin O 'Connell's offense. Has that changed in Ireland? Linden, I like that you use rubbish for those fields because they have been a bit rubbish, haven't they, Ty?

54:59AJ Hawk:Yeah, they have been a fair bit rubbish. I mean, do we remember the Brazil game? We remember the seams in the turf over there as well. But if we know anything, McQuaid will be out there irrigating that field to make sure it is in peak condition. Thank you, McQuaid.

55:16Pat McAfee:We appreciate you, McQuaid, obviously. Tony, your thoughts, though?

55:19Drew Allar:The field will be shite. It always is for international games. I love that we keep going over there and doing that.

55:24Pat McAfee:It's good for the game I'll tell you what, if Europe pounds us with the Ryder Cup No more NFL games in Europe

55:31Drew Allar:Agreed with you I actually feel pretty confident

55:34Pat McAfee:You want to keep NFL over there? Lose Start missing these putts, boys Do what you gotta do if you want to keep the NFL in Europe We're coming up on a hard out tone, I apologize

55:42Drew Allar:That might be the greatest idea that you've ever had, to be honest Cancel them all I actually feel pretty good about it Carl, he did look good last weekend But he was also playing with a 25 point lead two minutes into the game because there was two defensive touchdowns that the bangles gave up actually i feel pretty good i mean carl's on his six team in six years i'm pretty sure he's going

55:59Pat McAfee:to turn back into a pumpkin we have a hard out happening right oh we got one no we got one more 57 things off a minute oh no things off this thing's off an entire minute that's awesome that's tough that's on me boys that's 100 on me boy i tell you you were talking there and i just saw this clock going and i'm like bud what see anybody gonna tell them if aj was talking during it that

56:20Drew Allar:That would have made sense, but I understand.

56:23Pat McAfee:I know. I have much more faith in you guys. That's why, like, as it was taking place, I'm looking at this clock. I'm like, what the fuck? These boys. Come on, boys. Come up here. 100 % on me. I apologize for that. All good. We have 30 seconds, Tony. Finish.

56:33Drew Allar:On the defensive side, I actually feel pretty good. It's the offense that I worry about because of their D-line and defense and looks versus a young offensive line that, you know, it could be tough.

56:42Nick Saban:So who's going to win the game, Tony? Steelers. You think? Yeah. Aaron's going to throw for three touchdowns? Yeah. Three, not four? A little optimism. Three's good. Let's see. I think TJ gets after Carson Wentz a little bit. Don't you, man? Oh, you think he's doing a kick and we think we're having a good time. Yeah, no double ankle sprain.

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58:09Nick Saban:It's what's happening, Pat. I hear we're doing well in the Ryder Cup already. Second round, whatever you want to call it. Second flight, afternoon flight. What are we doing?

58:17Drew Allar:We're ahead already? Three groups are out. The first group was Scotty Scheffler and J.J. Spahn. J.J. Spahn was the only one to birdie hole one, so they are one up. That's what I'm talking about.

58:26Pat McAfee:That's what I'm talking about.

58:27Drew Allar:Exactly. We can't be losing. I hear it feels different, right? I hear it already feels different. There's a lot more pizzazz out there. Ben Griffin's rocking these sweet aviators. Trump's basically standing on the first tee, shaking all the USA golfers' hands and giving them some words of wisdom before they tee off. So, I mean, good luck, Europe. Nice.

58:44Pat McAfee:What's he saying, Ty? What is Mr. President saying to all the golfers as they're on the tee box, both the U.S. team and the Europe team?

58:51AJ Hawk:He's not saying anything to the European team, but to the U.S. team. He basically was just saying, hit it straight, don't fuck it up. Because guess what? If you duck hook one, DJT's bringing his bat out, and he's going to play the rest of the round. And I'm going low. I like that.

59:08Pat McAfee:I like that he would, you bet, for United States of America. He's got his golf cleats on right now. Yep. And everybody needs to know that. That's for a reason. And also, yeah, this is the pizzazz we're talking about. Look at Scottie saying, welcome back. Yeah, I like that. I like everything we got going on over there. We obviously need to turn the tide a little bit. Speaking of turning a tide, last night, Seattle was kicking the hell out of the Arizona Cardinals and quite a dud of an NFC West game on Thursday night football with Kirk, Al, Kaylee Hartung. And I think there was somebody coming all over the field reference from Andrew Whitworth and then Richard Sherman reaction to that.

59:47Pat McAfee:Maybe we should get from the pre or the post game. that kind of slipped through the cracks. I did see last night as I was watching. I love the way they present a game. I like the quality of the game. I like that Amazon has set a standard for streaming games that has been really high and has been since the beginning. I also know that some of these Thursday night games have been shite over the years. And this one felt like it was going to be one of those. This one felt like this morning what we were going to talk about is, should Kyler go play baseball? Is he missing? Is Kyler missing a baseball career?

1:00:17Pat McAfee:That was literally still at this exact moment. Herbie actually said something during the game last night whenever his baseball accolades, because he was drafted, what, top 10 in both NFL and MLB? Is that right?

1:00:27AJ Hawk:Yeah, correct. He was seventh in the MLB, I believe, and obviously number one in the NFL.

1:00:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, I don't know if he's the only guy. I assume Deion would be another guy that could potentially have that title. I don't know if he was drafted.

1:00:38AJ Hawk:I don't think he was top 10. Is that Elway? Maybe. Yeah, Kyler, I think, at least in the last 25 years, since this has become more popular where they just draft guys. He's the only one who is like, surefire, yeah, this guy would be an all-star playing baseball, and he could be a league MVP playing football.

1:00:56Pat McAfee:Okay, so last night, Kirk Herbstreit, who also loves baseball. Kirk Herbstreit was supposed to play baseball, but his dad coached football at Ohio State. He's from Ohio. Have to go be the quarterback of Ohio State football team. But I think, AJ, you went to the same high school he went to. He has all the baseball – he was like a baseball guy. Still is a baseball guy. Obviously, great leader of men, great quarterback for Ohio State. But baseball was like his thing. He's big, too.

1:01:18Nick Saban:I mean, it feels like that potentially what he was.

1:01:20Pat McAfee:He loves the sport, right?

1:01:22Nick Saban:Absolutely. Huge. Huge Reds fan as well. Has been for a long time.

1:01:26Pat McAfee:Yeah, how are the Reds doing? I don't know. That's a whole other conversation. Still alive. Still alive. Really? Still got life. Still got life. Okay. Okay. Still got red legs on the season, I guess. But Kirk loves baseball. So I think he's always been intrigued by the Kyler could have been MLB guy. Because I often wonder, like, if Kirk thinks about what he could have been as a baseball player as well. And he was very careful last night whenever he said, yeah, everybody said that Kyler could have been incredible baseball. And then he said, still could be an incredible baseball player. And it's a crazy thought to think about that because he's had already an entire career here with football and the NFL.

1:02:01Pat McAfee:He's got a second contract. He's made over$100 million. Obviously, how it's all gone is how it's all gone. And then you start thinking to yourself, this guy's still young enough. He could have a baseball. Ty, am I outlandish for thinking this? He could still have a bit of a baseball career. if I'm not saying he should, but I'm just saying if an opportunity was to present itself where this football thing maybe feels as if we're not going to be able to win a Super Bowl, which I'm not saying at this moment just because of a Thursday night football game. I'm not. But let's just say we get to that point.

1:02:27Pat McAfee:He's a guy that could drop into baseball. Let's say he had still been hitting balls. Like let's say in the offseason, he's still hitting balls. Is there a chance that that is even possible or feasible with somebody like Kyler or a talent at all?

1:02:39AJ Hawk:Well, that's the big thing is that because I think baseball, my guess would be is very similar to golf in that sense where it's like if you're not doing that stuff every if you're not taking bp a lot you it's it'd be very difficult to just no matter how much talent you have to take six years off or whatever and then see mlb pitching but there have been guys specifically quarterbacks who have done it before like drew henson was at michigan he was starting you know ahead of brady and he was like the number one recruit in the nation you know coming in, played quarterback at Michigan, got drafted by the Yankees, went and played baseball.

1:03:11AJ Hawk:That didn't work and then went back. And then obviously, you know, you have the inverse of that with some guys like Whedon and who, you know, try to do baseball. It doesn't work. Go play football. So I think he could, but it's one of those things where he's not going to be the guy that he was when he got drafted seventh overall because that's just a lot of time where he committed his life to football. He hasn't been playing baseball. So, and it's one of the, who knows if you could have the patience to know like, okay, well, guess what? I'm, when I come back, I'm probably not going to play in the majors right away.

1:03:42AJ Hawk:Like, does a guy who's been making$150 million or whatever, does he want to ride around on little buses and double A and stuff? Like, I doubt that.

1:03:52Pat McAfee:And on that note, on that note, we have a video of Kyler here. He's taking on Texas A &M, Corpus Christi, Islander, 7 '6", bottom of the seventh. Oh yeah, that's a grand salami. From Kyler Murray. Okay. That's what that is. And you obviously talk about his arm talent. He can spin it. It's like, that'd be a crazy sports story. Honestly, that would be a crazy sports story if he was able to pull it off. But that's the type of athlete we're talking about, which is why I think we all believe in the Cardinals potentially just flipping a switch and being great. And that's kind of what they did last night.

1:04:23Pat McAfee:At the end of that game, they flipped the switch. That make pride guy. I love the way he's done.

1:04:27AJ Hawk:Oh, so good.

1:04:29Pat McAfee:He looked like he should have had a punctured lung, maybe a concussion. and every time he gets up and we're talking at the beginning of the game, like feed me more type of shit. It is a – they've got a great vibe over there. Losing James Conner is obviously a massive blow, but that Seattle Seahawks just domination and then a comeback like that at the end is kind of how we feel about the Cardinals. Can they piece it all together, right? Isn't that kind of the conversation about the Cardinals and it has been kind of with Kyler throughout the entirety?

1:04:54Nick Saban:Yeah, they need to find a way to – I don't know. I guess they've got to make a deep playoff run for us to truly believe that they can take that next step. I mean, we know they have talent. We know Kyler's fun to watch. But when you mention that, I just think of Sam Darnold too, though. Look at Sam Darnold's stat line, what, 18-26 for 242 yards and a touchdown. That's about the stat line they probably want from Sam Darnold, isn't it? We don't need you to go put up 350 and three touchdowns. You do this, you take care of the ball. We're going to do great things.

1:05:20Pat McAfee:He got a little tight there late. I didn't love that. Yeah. Play action for him is a weapon. He is very talented at that. AQ Shipley called the game for the Cardinals last night. So I got a chance to chat with him after our show. Would have been nice to chat with him before the show. But he said, hey, what Sam Darnold is doing to everybody is play action. Classic play action. They got Kenneth Walker back there. Obviously, they have a run game they like. They have a great defense. He's eating and feasting. And I forgot Sam Darnold could do this. I even did the gif. I did the gif about, like, Sam.

1:05:53Pat McAfee:I had no idea that he had that. I think maybe – did we understand that? Did we all know that Sam Darnold had that? I didn't fully comp. I don't think I knew that. No, no.

1:06:03Drew Allar:A little, but not like that. It's like deceptive, like Baker. Like, they're not fast, but they can get it done. Why is it deceptive? What do you mean? Because they're not super fast.

1:06:10AJ Hawk:They don't run as much.

1:06:12Pat McAfee:Oh, okay. Hey, how about this, AJ? You can say it about Patrick Mahomes, too, I think, right?

1:06:17Nick Saban:Yeah, he's deceptively fast. You're right.

1:06:18Pat McAfee:You're right. I think he's much more athletic than he gets credit for, mostly because of photos of him showing up. But, like, Patrick Mahomes will do this. I didn't know Sam Donald had this. Danny Dimes will do this type of thing, but he's an elite runner. You're right. Baker will run and do it if he has to. You've got to be able to move in a modern game. In a modern world, we've just got a stat here. Most wins in one possession games in the last two seasons. Patrick Mahomes is 11-2. They played a lot of close games last year. Will they continue to do that this year? We shall see. Jalen Hurts is 10-2.

1:06:47Pat McAfee:Matthew Stafford is 9-5. And Sam Donald in the last two seasons in one possession games, 10-2 as a quarterback. Jack, he is a guy, dude. Watch him last. And you were right. I forget who brought it up. Maybe Connor about McDonald. He's an intense looking guy. Pretty jacked on the sideline too, AJ. I don't think I fully have had the McDonald experience just because of how it all went down. I like the way he operates on that sideline. I like the moxie of that team. I like how sophisticated that team is. I like how hungry the defense is, even when they're knocking the ball out of their own hands after a turnover on the first or second drive.

1:07:21Pat McAfee:I really enjoy the Seahawks team. I enjoyed watching him play football last night, AJ.

1:07:26Nick Saban:Yeah, McDonald has – he's got a presence about him. I think I mentioned on here, like, I feel like your head coach needs to have, like, a presence to where it's like he walks in the room. You don't have to be a big, loud dude or whatever. But we need to know, like, this is the guy who's coaching the squad. This is the guy who's in charge. McDonald definitely has that feel. I don't think his guys play that way. I think Seattle's – like, the team in general probably feels like, hey, no one's talking about us. No one really cares about us for some reason. So we need to go out there and make some noise and win a bunch of games.

1:07:51Nick Saban:Now what? They're 3-1, right? Here we go. Yeah. The McDonald's nine out of ten road games, right?

1:07:56AJ Hawk:Yeah, he's the fifth coach ever to win nine out of his first, yeah, there it is, ten road games. That's pretty impressive. That's insane.

1:08:03Pat McAfee:The guy's a player. He got his team rallied. Remember, they did their rookie show as an away game. Remember? Yeah, last year. That little thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They took that thing downtown out in the public after they painted over all the walls and kicked Pete Carroll out of town. I thought that was an aggressive move just to go out into the city and see how it is. but I think that's McDonald. I think him and the boys are one. I think they're a good squad. And you talk about that NFC West over there. Purdy's taking first-team reps to practice. There it is. He's back. Here you go, Brock.

1:08:33Nick Saban:Here you go, Brock.

1:08:35Pat McAfee:Congratulations, Brock Purdy. It feels like he's back being the starter for the San Francisco 49ers. We assume he's going to get back in there and just slice and dice like Brock Purdy does. No boasts on the defensive side of the ball. Will they make a play for another pass rusher before trade deadline? All eyes are on the Niners to do that. obviously it looks like he's not full strength but who is at this stage especially at his position coming off what he is what are your thoughts on what the Niners are gonna do over there AJ obviously it's a lot of money paid to that quarterback do you want him to get fully healthy or do you want him to go whenever he can go I think it's two different mindset I want him to get

1:09:06Nick Saban:fully healthy as a fan of his and a fan of just watching good quarterback play but if I'm Brock Purdy I'm getting back as soon as I possibly can like I'm not letting Mac Jones come and start another game I want to I want to get out there I want to prove the team right. Hey, you gave me this big old contract. I'm going to prove you right. Like, that's what I want. Don't let anyone else take your spot or stay in there. We know, like, yeah, no one's taking Brock's spot. But Mack stepped in and played well. So, I don't know.

1:09:32Pat McAfee:Hey, con man, McCorkle Jones might have had a full resurgence out here, huh? This might have been a turning point for him with the Niners.

1:09:38AJ Hawk:I wouldn't see by McCorkle at all. It feels as though if they are both kind of banged up, which, you know, all reports is the situation, that he probably would lean Purdy just because he has had some rest. Don't want to get him back too fast though because then he's out for the year. And he probably doesn't want that because McCorkle's getting 150. I'm not sure if you guys actually heard on the broadcast speaking of Purdy. Sam Darnold, I guess, gave Purdy a bunch of credit for his resurgence in Minnesota last year. So when you're thinking about Mack, especially now, all of a sudden Brock Purdy might be, and Kyle Shanahan, of course, but they might be these guys that are QB Whisperers, QB whispers helping out these other QBs.

1:10:17AJ Hawk:So personally, whether it's McCorkle or Brock, I feel good about it if I'm the Niners. And now more so, I have full confidence in McCorkle Jones being the quarterback of, you know, throw out any of these teams who have a poopy quarterback or the Vikings who are going to try it with J.J. McCarthy every year for the next three years and screw it up every year. But I feel like the Niners, I feel good about the Niners in their situation. The two QBs, no QBs. it feels like this might be the first situation, two QBs, two QBs, that can win with anybody.

1:10:50Pat McAfee:Yeah, and if Brock Purdy comes back and does what Brock Purdy does, McCorkle Jones made himself a lot of money because there's going to be a team, to your point, that has a poopy quarterback and is going to want a good quarterback. And if you put some good tape out there, especially in that Shanahan offense, which other offenses kind of mimic and have similar styles, traits, and I think languages, it's like Mack Jones might have just made himself so much money in being the belle of the ball this offseason in a free agency. But Danny Dimes is only on a one-year deal, too. For now. Let's remember that.

1:11:21Pat McAfee:Let's get that one done sooner than later. Let's think about getting that one done sooner than later so Danny feels right at home. Maybe because he feels so at home, maybe he gives a little hometown discount. Maybe.

1:11:34AJ Hawk:Maybe. He likes having a good old one. Yeah, let's build this team up.

1:11:39Pat McAfee:He has gotten paid. Let's build this team up. We understand what other teams are going to say to you. The same exact thing that we are going to say to you. It's like what the Colts were before you got here, brother, were a lot of talented players, but not an actual team. You were literally the glue in the straw that stirs the entire drink with maybe the best team in the entire NFL right now. This Indianapolis Colts team is going to be a fun story to follow along with, especially with Jim Mercer's passing right before the season, kind of like the win for the boss, basically, is what everybody's doing.

1:12:05Pat McAfee:And it's beautiful. And this guy has earned himself another probably couple hundred million dollars. And that's the NFL, baby. That's the NFL. And that's why you're a Hall of Fame nominee. That's why, Ray.

1:12:17Nick Saban:One thing I want to remind you, Pat, I want to remind you and all the rest of the Colts fans and the people that have jumped on the Colts bandwagon, if they do lose a game and say he doesn't have a great game and throws an interception or two, don't flush him down the toilet and say he's garbage. You know how it works.

1:12:31AJ Hawk:They're definitely going to do it.

1:12:32Nick Saban:You know how it goes. First time they lose, you're going to say, oh, we knew there were frauds all along. No, Edge, it feels like that's what you want to say. I do not want to say that. I don't like the roller coaster that is the NFL fandom. I don't get it. I don't like that. Just stick with them if you like them.

1:12:47Pat McAfee:I just understand that this program potentially uses that technique to say stuff that they want to say. Did you hear that, boys? Did you hear that a little bit? Oh, yeah.

1:12:56AJ Hawk:It's kind of like his first day here almost, huh, AJ?

1:12:59Pat McAfee:Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I don't want to be the one to say it. other people are going to say it but danny dimes plays average one time they're going to say it's a fraud it's like that's yours is that what you're saying hey do you not want to believe those guys

1:13:14Nick Saban:got those guys got contracts too they might jump around and make a play once or twice that doesn't

1:13:18Pat McAfee:mean it's his fault you're right you're right we got to remember that danny dimes is always on time we got to remember that indy danny dimes is in his prime we got to remember that danny dimes is the man even if he throws a couple you know shite footballs and uh that's going to happen throughout the nfl season we have one turnover no i don't know one punt zero turnovers one go so it's one turnover okay which was a punt basically that's the only time we surrendered the ball and uh i love that we are firing on all cylinders but it's really we got a lot of football yeah but that's

1:13:53AJ Hawk:like you also beat a good team though i feel like sometimes teams do start out three you know and It's like, you know, we talked about the NFC West. They all played the Saints, and I'm nothing against the Saints. Saints are the worst team in football. So, like, when you look at the Colts, the Colts were down at home against the Broncos. They come back and beat them. The Chargers basically did the same thing, just squeaked by them. We think the Chargers are legit. I mean, they beat the shit out of the Dolphins and the Titans, but you guys talk about it. Like, the games you're supposed to win are sometimes the difficult games to win.

1:14:24AJ Hawk:Like, they are just handling business across the board. They might lose to the Rams. Rams are really, really good. It's on the road. Honestly, it might be a good time to lose if you are the Colts. But I'm at the point where – Yeah, I'm at the point already. We're thinking of 17-0. Yeah, keep winning. Keep winning. I'm not saying go out there and lose. But even if they do, I'm at the point where it's like I think we can damn near crown the Colts as the AFC South champs. And let's see what they can do going forward.

1:14:56Pat McAfee:I'd like to hear that because we haven't been able to say that for a long time. Long time. Yeah, CJ Stroud, CJ Scheitz now.

1:15:03AJ Hawk:2014 was the last time they won the division, I think.

1:15:06Pat McAfee:11 years. It's been 11 years. So hopefully they figure it out. Let's talk about Jaden Daniels a little bit. Obviously, Marcus Mariota comes in with Cliff Kingsbury and does his thing. The Commanders all the way back as a real team, I think we all agree, after an incredible run. Jaden Daniels says, it's up to the doctors when asked if he's playing. We have the video here. it's up to the doctors not my decision for you i mean where do you think you're at and and feel good nailed it uh he feels good uh also terry mclaurin has been ruled out for sunday as adam shefter says that jayden daniel's also out for sunday's game uh versus the falcons so some breaking news out of the commander's operation jayden daniel seemingly wants to play that's what i heard aj junior that absolutely he definitely wants to play okay so he wants to play doctors are telling him one more week we'll probably be in a much better spot it's still early in the year he though also saw marcus mariota and his team uh do what they did and wants to get back out there with the boys and continue to get better which i respect terry mclaurin also ruled out for sunday what's this

1:16:09Drew Allar:from tone do we know what this is from from terry uh is it a cord injury or something yeah because It was after last game or whatever. But, yeah, he's out. Jaden's out. They're two-and-a-half-point dogs going down to Atlanta, who did not look good. But with Jaden, the whole thing, like we were just talking about with Brock, whether you bring him back right now or if there's a worry about losing, there is no worry that Marcus Mariota is ever going to take Jaden Daniels' job. So if that's something that's in his mind, I don't think it should be. He is the future of that franchise, and they're treating him like the future of that franchise and making sure he's 100 % healthy before they bring him back.

1:16:44Pat McAfee:That's what the doctors are saying, AJ. You know, sometimes the doctors and players certainly have different views on things. I like that, Jaden, in this era, okay, with all the information that we have, if you get another six days of recovery, which is another six days of hydration and nutrients, and if we supplement some of your blah, blah, blah for some blah, blah, blah, we might lower the inflammation even more, and there's a chance that you feel better than you felt before the season here in seven days if you just rest this game. There's a chance that that conversation was had. I like the voice you gave to the doctors.

1:17:11Nick Saban:I like the voice that you gave those doctors.

1:17:14Pat McAfee:I wish I could pop some glasses on, too, to really do it some justice. But you know what I'm saying. That person has a job and thoughts as well. And with modern medicine and modern knowledge, which 15 years from now, something will completely contradict what we believe wholeheartedly in right now. That seems to be the nutrition, body. Does anybody know shit about fucking that entire thing? I'm not 100 % sure. but Jaden following up and saying like I still want to play like I respect that I like that that's still happening I think that tells us everything we know and need to know about Jaden Daniels and type of player he is uh but it's it's a bummer that he's out for and Terry McLaurin had

1:17:52Nick Saban:a quad injury yeah I got he went and saw some other doctor I don't that one's uh interesting I hope he gets back early I mean I don't know what it is let's talk about let's talk about some

1:18:01Pat McAfee:other injuries uh as well John Horbaugh talking about a staple for that defense uh said he he is concerned about Nnamdi Matabuke Matabuke Matabuke I think is what people say we apologize for getting it wrong Nnamdi if we do. Hell says I am concerned about it but I'm not in a position to comment on it. I haven't been given the okay to comment on it at this point. He's not going to play this week I can tell you that. He's a massive piece of their defense I don't love that quote AJ

1:18:30Nick Saban:No it makes me. Yeah I don't know how serious it might be but he's saying he's definitely not going to play this week so

1:18:35AJ Hawk:Yeah, and there's been some stats coming out now, too, about the Ravens' defense with and without him on the field. I believe they've given up like zero 20-plus yard runs and one 10-yard run while Matabuke is on the field, and I think that was the games he played in last season. Hopefully that is the first part of that stat. The second part was I think they've given up five 10-yard runs and three 20-yard runs already this season. So Matabuke, you talk about like those players on defensive lines, like a Vita Vea, like a Hutch, like a Micah, even though Micah is striding by other guys that are getting much better.

1:19:10AJ Hawk:He is their entire defensive line when it comes to stopping the run. And then you add Calvin Noy, their leading sacker being out. When's he coming back? Do we know? I'm not sure. I believe both of them are this weekend. So it's one of those things where you get two of those guys out, and now all of a sudden that entire defense just looks like absolute shite.

1:19:31Pat McAfee:This is a part of it all, though, throughout the NFL season. it so long, whoever can remain healthiest is also a part of the story of who can be the best team. Hopefully everybody gets better. And I missed that universe ball that said there was going to be no more injuries. It's 100 % on me. AJ, the Hoffnom will be shooting one at the end of the show to maybe turn things around for the good of football. Speaking of the good of football, Coach James Franklin sang this man's praises earlier about a couple points that I don't think have been brought up nearly enough. This man, who's quarterback for the Penn State Nittany Lions, chose to come back as opposed to going to the NFL.

1:20:03Pat McAfee:Had a job to be finished, and he's certainly here to do as such. He's been sitting in this room for the last 11 minutes. I had no idea. That is 100 % on me. Ladies and gentlemen, starting quarterback for the Nittany Lions, ladies and gentlemen, Drew Allen. Yeah, Drew. I think Drew. I think Drew. I think Drew. I think Drew. Here we go, Drew. Appreciate you, man. How you doing, dude? You are a big son of a bitch. Holy shit. I don't like this at all. This guy's gigantic. Let me tilt this up a little bit. Let me tilt this up a little bit. Get a little bit more spin.

1:20:32Nick Saban:There you go. Get Gumpy's hat.

1:20:34Pat McAfee:Please, dude. Unbelievable. Thank you for joining us, dude. Appreciate you having me. Okay, so I don't know if you heard what James Franklin said last hour, but he literally said everything you want in a quarterback, this guy embodies it whenever it comes to leadership, when it comes to work ethic, when it comes to mentality. Obviously, the frame and everything's about it. What do you love about the quarterback position the most, and how do you feel as the quarterback of the Nittany Lions with your coach saying all of those things about you?

1:21:01AJ Hawk:Yeah, obviously I feel great about that. I think we have the best head coach in the country, and he's a big reason why I came back. Obviously I had that decision to make last year, but chose to come back for unfinished business and to play another year under Coach Franklin. He's a part of the reason why I came here in the first place. But I think just playing quarterback, I kind of had that untraditional path to it, just starting in eighth grade, freshman year. So the reason I started playing it, honestly, was because we didn't have one my freshman year. So I always grew up playing baseball, loved throwing.

1:21:31AJ Hawk:throwing the football and baseball in my backyard with my dad. So that's what kind of got me into it.

1:21:36Pat McAfee:Okay. Well, we appreciate the fact that you're an Ohio guy through and through. We need a quarterback. Well, shit, let's put this guy in there. And it certainly has worked out. When you think about the team this year, first last year, what do you carry into this year, maybe experience wise from last year? And what this year do you think you guys maybe have that you didn't have last year?

1:21:54AJ Hawk:Yeah, I think experience is always the number one thing. I know for me personally, going through everything that I went through last year, the highs and lows and everything, just being able to be in those situations and learn from it and grow from it, whether good or bad. And I think I can say a lot about that with all the guys on our team. Obviously, on offense, we returned a lot of guys. And I think, you know, one difference that we got, we just added, we added players into our team, whether through Porter or high school, that are going to make a big difference for us. And I think we have a great team that's all about winning no matter what.

1:22:23AJ Hawk:Like, I don't care if I have to throw the ball 50 times or hand the ball 50 times off a game. It's all about getting the win at the end of the day.

1:22:29Pat McAfee:That selflessness is awesome, and that's what Coach Franklin was talking about with you and your mindset and being a teammate and everything like that. You mentioned the highs and lows of last year. I talked a lot about it. I don't know if you heard us talking about it. I, much different position than you, end of season, had a bad game junior year. Had to deal with that all offseason coming into my senior year. Much different position, obviously, much less operation, but still was all that I really thought about. For you, how the season ends for you and for the team, offseason, how do you attack that, how do you approach that, and what was your mindset?

1:22:56AJ Hawk:Yeah, I mean, just going back to the grind, I think going back to the basics is how I've always operated, no matter if I had a great season, average season, or bad season. I think, you know, that game last year left a bad taste in my mouth, and I think that can go for a lot of guys in our team. And that's a big reason why we all came back, because we knew we had unfinished business in, you know, a couple of our games last year. We were close to accomplishing a couple of our goals, and we fell short of them. But now it's about having another opportunity to potentially reach those goals and right those wrongs.

1:23:24Pat McAfee:All the goats have had shitty moments. You need to know that. When the world feels like it's potentially crashing on you is actually whenever you can harden yourself the most. I'm happy you chose that way as opposed to letting it beat you. We're pumped that you're back here at Penn State. AJ has a question for you, brother.

1:23:38Nick Saban:Yeah, Drew, we had your coach on a little bit ago, and he always brings a bunch of energy, a bunch of juice. What's he like on game day? I've seen him go back. He's not scared to give it to officials. You almost fought a guy. You guys might be up 70 points with 20 seconds to go, and he's going crazy. Yeah, fans run off the field. But what's he like game day from pregame all the way through the game? How much interaction do you have with him as well?

1:23:59AJ Hawk:Yeah, we have a lot of interactions with him throughout the day in our hotel, especially with a night game coming up. We'll have multiple walkthroughs and that sort of thing, meetings throughout the day. So, you know, he'll be interacting with all the players throughout the day. I think, you know, really he's pretty calm when it comes to game days, but really intense and intentional with everything, especially the little details that kind of add up into, you know, big things over time. I've caught a couple strays from him when I'm not in the game I hope when things don't go right on the field, but you know, that's that's what makes him great And that's that what's that's what drives us as a team.

1:24:31AJ Hawk:Let's talk about the night whiteout

1:24:32Pat McAfee:How excited are you guys for this? This is like legendary shit around here Now you're gonna chance to experience one two top six teams first time ever your thoughts on it all.

1:24:40AJ Hawk:Yeah, really excited I mean, there's nothing like it. I think you know I came here as a recruit during the whiteout when it was Auburn up here right after COVID So, you know, that was an electrifying stadium. And obviously been grateful to be a part of three whiteouts the past three years. And there's really nothing like it. I think, you know, if you're a sports fan in general, no matter the team you are, going to a whiteout is definitely a bucket list thing that you have to get off your bucket list.

1:25:03Pat McAfee:Pittsburgh native and friend with a lot of Penn State cultists. AP Tone has a question for you.

1:25:08Drew Allar:Yeah, Drew, I was listening to you talk at Big Ten Media Days this summer. And I believe you said you sat down with new defensive coordinator Jim Knowles when he got there. and you guys went over game tape from your game against Ohio State and kind of how they attacked you. How weird was that and how beneficial was that to kind of hear that from a guy that you went against the year before?

1:25:27AJ Hawk:Yeah, obviously it's kind of – I don't think you really experience it at all when you're in the position that we're in. But obviously very fortunate to have Coach Knowles here. I think he's made us better offensively, obviously being able to learn from him, and obviously he's made our defense really good as well. And I think it's always been a great challenge of us going against his defense and I think that's what you know was exciting me about when he when he joined our staff is just being able to learn from a great defensive mind because obviously as a quarterback I see the game more through the offensive lens than anything and being able to learn from you know such a great coach that sees it maybe a different way and just picking up tells and and just different things that they did against us that were successful and why they wanted to do things were was really beneficial for not only me but really our whole offense and our offensive staff.

1:26:12Pat McAfee:Choosing to go get information from him and pick his brain though is a good trait not everybody's doing that which i think you should acknowledge as a good thing you know that is a not everybody has that mindset to go let me try to learn as much as possible or the stick-to-itiveness because that takes time to learn how often are you what is your schedule what is your schedule around this building is beautiful

1:26:32AJ Hawk:it is yeah it is uh i mean i'm in here all day there's really i only got one class online class what is your major what is your major uh rptm basically sports management but yeah so i yeah

1:26:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, we're doing – we're going to be the best ever at that too. Yeah, for sure. RPTM. Yep. You know what it's called? Yeah, RPTM. RPTM. I think that would have been my major as well around here, and it wasn't except – I'm happy you are here. This place is beautiful. Obviously, we've got the two massive fields, the turf field, the full field, and the indoor. I assume everything else is state-of-the-art around here. It's beautiful. This is your home, though, huh? The whole team like that, you guys feel like you hang out here a lot? Yeah. How's the chemistry of the boys?

1:27:12AJ Hawk:No, our chemistry is top-notch for sure. I think, you know, the one thing that's special about football is just the locker room in general. And we always talk about how fortunate we are to have all the, obviously, like guys like you come here and be a part of our family now. And then obviously have all our lettermen that are either done playing football at the NFL level or owning businesses or guys that are playing the NFL come back and always trying to just talk to us. I think, you know, I have great relationships with guys that are either, you know, just out in the business world or in the NFL world.

1:27:40AJ Hawk:And it's really cool to have a brotherhood like that.

1:27:42Pat McAfee:You guys don't play cards, right? Your generation doesn't play cards?

1:27:44AJ Hawk:Not much, no.

1:27:46Pat McAfee:That's sad. I don't like that.

1:27:48AJ Hawk:It's that damn Fortnite.

1:27:50Pat McAfee:You ever heard of Euchre? It is that damn. It is that damn. You ever play Euchre? You're from Ohio.

1:27:54AJ Hawk:I've never played Euchre, no.

1:27:55Pat McAfee:That makes sense. After playing with people from Ohio, that does make sense. Let's go to the talks. Yeah, that's you, AJ. That's who I'm talking about.

1:28:01Nick Saban:I've been playing Euchre for 30 years, bro.

1:28:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, cheating. You've been cheating. If you go back home to Ohio and they ask you to, no, it's not. If they ask you to play in a Euchre game, if all of Ohio plays like this guy, they're going to cheat. They're going to be looking at your cards. They're going to be dealing from the bottom of the deck. They're going to be talking to their partner. Just know that Ohio is a cutthroat cards place. Yeah, you've got to find a way to win. Okay. There we go, Drew. This guy isn't even a toxic table. Connor has a question for you, Drew.

1:28:34AJ Hawk:Yeah, Drew, you mentioned the previous whiteouts, and we all see how electric the atmosphere is on game day. What's it like leading up to it? Are there stuff, you know, all throughout the week on campus that's kind of amplifying the game on Saturday? Do you guys like round up a bunch of ducks and like beat the hell out of them to get motivated to beat Oregon? Like, I'm just trying to get a is it a pet rally type vibe? What's it all about this week at State College? Yeah, I mean, you can definitely feel the just the anticipation for the game building up throughout the week. I mean, if you go out to the country, you'll see just a bunch of RVs already parked out.

1:29:11AJ Hawk:I think they really started on Wednesday, just started camping out there. And then, you know, quarterbacks and tight ends went over to the stadium yesterday at Nittanyville to bring pizza to a couple of students or a lot of students, not a couple, but camping out for the game and just bring them pizza and provide them some some food. But you can feel the anticipation really for every game day, but especially the whiteout.

1:29:32Pat McAfee:They're sleeping on cement outside the stadium, right? That's what Nittanyville is.

1:29:35AJ Hawk:Yeah. Intense, yep. Awesome.

1:29:39Pat McAfee:I love that. AJ, you got the last question for Drew as he gets back to preparation for the Sko Docs team coming in from Oregon.

1:29:45Nick Saban:Yeah, Drew, how do you – we talk all the time about getting out to a fast start. We ask Coach Franklin about it, all that. What do you do as a quarterback? Because obviously quarterback, yeah, you're juiced. You feel the energy, but you have to kind of calm yourself down. You have to figure out, all right, I need to dial in and I need to almost like calm myself to start this game. What do you do, I guess, before a game, pregame, to really feel you are where you need to be?

1:30:07AJ Hawk:Yeah, I think for me it really starts really on Monday. And then obviously with Coach K here, he does a great job of giving openers to really the whole staff. And then he has me rank my opening plays of what I would want to call first early in the game. So I think that really helps me going into it because I already know what the first handful of calls are going to be in certain situations and opening plays and that sort of thing. But I think on game day specifically, I listen to a ton of music and just try to stay. All right, who are you listening to? called drake all day old drake new drake every drake it don't matter champagne poppy all day

1:30:40Pat McAfee:yep all day from the moment you wake up what are we having for breakfast a little eggs out there yeah like a little scrambled omelet okay then we take a nap no uh we got walkthroughs and then i

1:30:50AJ Hawk:i don't like napping on game day so i'll just watch college football all day and just just reviewing

1:30:55Pat McAfee:notes okay i like that well good luck tomorrow we appreciate the hell out of you taking time out of your day here to stop by and say what's up thank you for the hospitality and i appreciate your mindset through it all man appreciate that you've had to battle and that's a good thing not a bad thing i'm excited to see you battle tomorrow this place is awesome they love you too when he walked in here there was a lot so i had seen more people in a buzz in the room for like 10 minutes i was like wow everybody's just fucking moving into this room it's because he was here obviously that's a rock star we appreciate you man thank you so much drew out there ladies

1:31:22Nick Saban:All right, Drew. Thank you. All right, Drew. Hey, the great thing for him is he's played a lot of college ball. Oh, yeah. A ton. We see these guys get in the NFL, and guys that don't have a ton of college experience, all of a sudden sometimes they may struggle. So this is going to be great for him. Do we have any projections over whatever's going on with him in the draft next year?

1:31:38Drew Allar:First round is the projection.

1:31:39Nick Saban:Just, I guess, depends how high he'll be. How he finishes.

1:31:42AJ Hawk:This really doesn't mean shit, though. Like last year they were saying Quinn Ewers was going to go top five. He got drafted in the seventh round. So what happened with that?

1:31:48Nick Saban:How does that happen? That's a great question. When you think top five and then he goes in the seventh round. Apparently he wasn't that good.

1:31:54Drew Allar:And apparently the scouts and media were wrong. Tell you what I think they're also wrong about. What did Coach say he's 6 '5"? I think he's taller than that.

1:32:03Nick Saban:He's a gigantic human being. I wouldn't have played any other sports. He said baseball. But he played basketball though. Like this dude 360 dunking like Cooper Jean.

1:32:12Drew Allar:He's from Ohio. He's basically the next Ben Roethlisberger.

1:32:15Nick Saban:Yeah, but he's not too far from where Ben grew up in Medina. Like northeast type of Ohio. I think it's just I play with some guys. He's a good kid. Some tough dudes. Tough kids, especially a big, tall, strapping quarterback like him. We'll look out for him. Pat, I think Pat's back after he and Drew probably took a selfie as well in that nice, beautiful backdrop.

1:32:33Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. Hold on. It's not just – hold on. I just asked him if he's 6 '10", that Drew Allen. Yeah. Yeah, holy hell. He's huge. He is so tall. Hold on. We got another legend here. Give me 45 seconds. Yeah, of course.

1:32:45Nick Saban:It's a great tease for people that might not know. I don't know. Is there a Ryder Cup update from anybody here? Tone, do you know what's going on?

1:32:52Drew Allar:Yeah, I saw that Sam Burns, okay, and who was it? Young? Yes, Cam Young. Thank you. They both nailed huge birdie putts to go one up in their matches. And then I saw JJ spawn with that lab putter. He had a huge birdie putt. And then Rombo missed his eagle putt, so they stayed. I think Rombo's one up in that. But we are up one in two matches. They are up in one match and the other match is all square.

1:33:20Nick Saban:Beautiful. We love it. Pat, what's going on over there in Happy Valley? You all set?

1:33:24Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, a goat is here. Coach Nick Saban. Yeah, Coach. You hear the boys clapping for you over there? You hear the boys clapping?

1:33:32James Franklin:Yeah, I love it.

1:33:34Pat McAfee:Is this down loud? Did you see Drew Aller walk through? He's much taller than I thought he was going to be. I knew he was tall. He's tall.

1:33:39James Franklin:No, and very well put together, you know, for a big guy. Interesting.

1:33:45Pat McAfee:Okay, so I –

1:33:46James Franklin:Should be an advantage. Absolutely.

1:33:47Pat McAfee:He's the prototype football player, I think, at quarterback position. People are obviously saying that. That's why they had such high hopes coming into the year for him. I just got a chance to chat with him both on air and off air about how that season ended for him last year. Obviously makes a bad decision, bad outcome, and that's how everybody's gonna remember the whole year. That's the last taste in his mouth for the entire offseason. For you, whenever you're coaching a team that has that type of ending, do you think James Franklin obviously utilized that as motivation all offseason? And what do you learn about your players in those moments where it does feel like it's all over?

1:34:15James Franklin:Well, I think you never want to waste a failing with your players. So you definitely have to teach from all of it. You can't just be emotional and let your ego get in the way and criticize people. You have to always have a plan from a leadership standpoint for the future. Okay, so I'm sure James Franklin took, here's the things we didn't do well. Here's what we need to do to correct them. This is what we need to work on in the offseason. These are the sacrifices we need to make, the skills we need to develop, the habits we need to create so that we actually can play better and finish against really, really good teams.

1:34:54James Franklin:So that's what I think good leaders do.

1:34:56Pat McAfee:Never waste a failing, AJ. You know, AJ actually was nominated for the Pro Football Hall of Fame this week, Coach. Let's go, Hawks.

1:35:02James Franklin:Let's get it, man. I appreciate you. That's great.

1:35:07Pat McAfee:AJ, do you think you should get in? Absolutely. Okay, that's a lot of people. voting yes that's a lot of people voting yes i don't know he doesn't have a vote neither do i but we're all saying yes uh aj has a question for you coach i do coach everyone's talking about the

1:35:19Nick Saban:whiteout that's going to be happening saturday night i guess can you describe how tough it is to come into a situation like that and for your offense more specifically to play in something that is so loud from start to finish the whole game well you know we played in a whiteout here

1:35:34James Franklin:and it didn't help him much. Oh, geez.

1:35:38Pat McAfee:For most teams.

1:35:39Nick Saban:It's tough for most teams.

1:35:40Pat McAfee:What was that? Was it a night one? Was it a night one?

1:35:44James Franklin:No, it was a day game.

1:35:45Pat McAfee:Okay. Okay, all right.

1:35:46James Franklin:So, you know, I do think that the things that I always try to do with our team when we played on the road and we were going to play in a blackout, a whiteout, or whatever it was, is to emphasize to the players that the fans don't make any plays in the game. that, yeah, there's going to be noise, and we're going to have to handle the noise like we do in all circumstances on the road. And that could have an impact on the game, especially when it comes to the offensive line, false starts, those types of things, putting you behind the sticks. But I really, really tried to emphasize to the players that, you know, those circumstances, those external factors, like a whiteout, really doesn't have any impact on the game.

1:36:29James Franklin:It's going to be about what you do inside the 53 yards wide and 100 yards deep that's going to make a difference in the game. And, you know, you got to make these people sit on their hands. And you do that by good execution. So I was always taking the opposite approach. Now, if you don't handle that and you have a young team that's not very mature, they won't handle it very well. And it will have an impact on them because you have to earn your momentum when you play on the road. I mean, You're going to have all this emotion sort of going against you in terms of noise and all that. But you have to earn your momentum by good execution.

1:37:06James Franklin:And you've got to keep your players focused on that and not worried about what's happening out here.

1:37:11Pat McAfee:I don't know if you saw Europe earn their momentum this morning against the U.S. in the Ryder Cup, coach. Not anymore. Are we back? Are we back?

1:37:18Drew Allar:We're making a run right now, absolutely. We're up in two matches, all square in one match, and they are up in one match.

1:37:25James Franklin:Okay, so...

1:37:26Nick Saban:even see the results or we get hammered this morning we got three one this morning yeah but

1:37:33Pat McAfee:President Trump hopped on Marine one whenever he saw the boys were done flies him and his granddaughter over there he is now currently sitting on the first tee letting everybody know this ain't what USA is so I guess there's been a lot more pizzazz since his arrival this afternoon group has obviously done better but we're all pulling for us to be European Gulf a sport that you're very good at. Maybe you get into the Senior Ryder Cup if that ever happens. Heard you got a good swing there. Heard you got a good swing there.

1:37:59James Franklin:I can't hit as far enough to get in any cup. Yeah, right. I think you absolutely would.

1:38:04Pat McAfee:Huge weekend of ball. Okay, we have a graphic of all the games, both Saturday and Sunday, coach. And I think early in the season here for the NFL, they tried their best to make big time matchups. But with the new alignment of conferences, obviously this game is a conference game for the Big Ten. With the new alignment, the new scheduling, the new rules, the new college football playoff setup. We're getting massive games on a regular basis. How do you feel about this, Slade, and how do you feel about where college football is right now with the matchups?

1:38:31James Franklin:Well, you know, I'm all for playing more good games. I'm glad to see these teams going to nine conference games so you'll get even more matchups because they're going to play good teams. I don't think people really want to see you play teams that can't match up with you or don't have the same level of talent. So having games like this, I think, is exactly what the fans want to see, and I'm sure it's what a lot of coaches want to see. I mean, there's some of these teams that have not been tested yet.

1:38:58Pat McAfee:On that note, Diggs has a question about maybe one of the teams in this particular game that has not been tested yet and what the narrative has been about them maybe not looking their best. Go ahead, Tone.

1:39:07Drew Allar:Yeah, I do, Coach. Obviously, Penn State has not been tested yet. They have the easiest schedule so far in FBS, I believe, and then there's some talk about how they haven't looked great against these lesser teams, and there's a narrative, I'm not sure where it came from that they're trying to be very vanilla so they don't put things on tape for this Oregon game. Do you think that's real? Like when you've been early in the season and if you had to play lesser opponents, do you try not to put things on tape that you know you're going to use against a better team later in the season?

1:39:36James Franklin:Well, I think there's probably some merit to that. I mean, the thing that I always was most concerned about was not the other team, but how do we develop our team? What do we need to do to make our team better. And if we weren't throwing it very well or protecting very well or stopping to run on defense, you know, those are the kinds of things that I wanted to emphasize, regardless of who we were playing, so that we're more prepared. It's almost like exhibition games in the NFL.

1:40:02Pat McAfee:Preseason, yeah.

1:40:02James Franklin:Yeah, preseason games. And you want to test your team to some degree to see, you know, what are the issues? What are the problems? What do we need to fix here? What do we need to work on? And so that when you do play a team that can test you relative to their players versus your players, you know, your players are going to be more ready for that. You know, I always, we always played a hard game first.

1:40:27Pat McAfee:Did you guys schedule that because you wanted it?

1:40:29James Franklin:Yeah, we did it because we wanted to do it. We played, started out, we started playing neutral side games, you know, back in 2008, I think. and it really is what gave the program an identity. I remember we beat Clemson in 2008, you know, in the opening game in Atlanta, and we weren't in the top 25. Nobody recognized Alabama for anything. Clemson was number nine. We beat them. So that helps your program. But the biggest thing it helps is the whole spring practice, summer conditioning, offseason, fall camp. Players are looking forward to the first game. so they are preparing themselves for the challenge that they're going to have in the first game rather than maybe being a little complacent about creating the kind of habits that they need to play really good teams when you don't play you know quite as good a competition they're actually

1:41:20Pat McAfee:talking about that with the NFL right now is the NFL is scheduling more division games early in the year that teams might have to take preseason a little bit more serious because off the jump you're kind of behind the eight ball Chargers 3-0 right now in the AFC West obviously everybody else. They start out hot. It's automatically implicating playoffs for them. And I think the NFL is going to be trying to do that more. College doing that, I think, is a good thing. Both these teams, we'll see. Obviously, the Oregon team has won the Platypus Trophy. Okay, that's a tough one. Big one. They already won it.

1:41:47James Franklin:Yeah, but they haven't played anybody either.

1:41:49Pat McAfee:They won the Platypus!

1:41:51James Franklin:41-7 or something?

1:41:52Pat McAfee:That's a good win in the Platypus Bowl.

1:41:54James Franklin:That's the Platypus Bowl. I don't even know what that is. What is that?

1:41:58Pat McAfee:Ten-minute video about it last week. Was that last week? Was that last week on games?

1:42:02AJ Hawk:Basically got a PhD in platypusery.

1:42:05Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's the top of a duck, the bottom of a beaver. That is a platypus. It is a trophy. It was on game day last week. Coach, check that. Coach said, you know what? I was taking a break. It is hot as hell down here right now. It is hot. Ty Schmidt has a question for you about a massive game down in Athens.

1:42:22AJ Hawk:Yeah, Coach, what do you think about Bama, Georgia this weekend? I feel like, you know, typically, at least for people who aren't fans for either one of the teams, they think that this is going to be a defensive battle, but it's been quite the shootout the last several times both of these teams have played. How do you see this one shaking out, and who do you think has the upper hand?

1:42:40James Franklin:Well, first of all, I think the line of scrimmage is going to be really important. When Alabama has struggled, especially on the road with some of these games last year and this year at Florida State, they had a hard time stopping the run. And Kirby's going to be stubborn about running the ball because he doesn't want to put his quarterback in situations where they can tee off on him. But I also think that, you know, Ty Simpson has played really well for Alabama. They've made a lot of explosive plays since the Florida State game. So I also think who can affect the quarterback? Who has the kind of pass rushers?

1:43:13James Franklin:Who can create the situations where you can affect the quarterback? That's going to be huge in this game. You know, can Alabama run it? Can they make the explosive plays? Can Georgia affect the quarterback? but I think it's going to be very similar for Georgia as well.

1:43:27Pat McAfee:Kirby's a guy that we should just always assume is going to have his team in top contention just for as long as he's coaching down there at Georgia.

1:43:33James Franklin:Yeah, well, I think the big thing you got to take away from the Tennessee, you know, people talk about all the plays and, you know, guy misjudged the ball and he's made a big play, fourth and six or whatever it was, and he scored a touchdown. But how about the resiliency that their team showed in the game to keep coming back, you know, on the road, over 100 ,000 people against them, and they just keep coming back and they keep playing. You know, I don't know that you try to make that a part of the culture, but if your team doesn't have it, it's hard to get. And Georgia certainly proved to me that they have that kind of resiliency that you need to win big games and close games.

1:44:11Pat McAfee:102 ,000, I forget what the number was, that were in there. I happen to be one of them. We stuck around because maybe we have a friend that's an alumni there and there was a brand new part of the stadium being debuted, but he wasn't the only one. Everybody was back there. That was a homecoming type feel. It had that type of feel there. And for Georgia to answer, and Gunnar Stockton, that might have been a moment for him. That might have been like a breakthrough moment confidence-wise for him, who you've liked since high school, right?

1:44:37James Franklin:Yeah, I've always liked Gunnar because he's a great competitor. People can talk about maybe he's not the classic passer, but he's a great athlete. He can beat you with his feet. I think he's smart. I think he makes really good instinctive decisions. And I think he's going to do nothing but get better and better. And that game, you know, last two weeks ago against Tennessee, their last game is going to do volumes for his confidence. Not just his, probably the whole team, right?

1:45:01Pat McAfee:Do you believe him?

1:45:02James Franklin:I think the team loves him. Now I think the team believes in him.

1:45:05Pat McAfee:Oh, I like him. Oh, wow. That's a bar. That's a bar. And congrats to Gunner. That's coming from Coach Saban outside looking in. Feels like they're all in on you. How could you not? That throw is awesome. And we know he's a tough, tough, tough. I mean, he just lost his consciousness as soon as we were introduced to him. As soon as we were introduced to this guy, he gets on the field. What's his name? Gunner? That's awesome. Where is he from? Georgia. Playing for Georgia. Oh, do we got the next stats in here? This guy's a little bit of a wild card. Let's see what we got. And then he just gets obliterated, loses consciousness, loses consciousness completely.

1:45:39Pat McAfee:Then he just gets up. Where's the ball? It's like, this is what we like. He took some shots in the field.

1:45:44James Franklin:Oh, God. Right there. There it is. Oh, no. As soon as we were introduced to him. Well, you know, this guy's from Raven County, man. That's where they made Deliverance, the old movie Deliverance. Oh, yes. So there's some tough folks there.

1:45:54Pat McAfee:Okay, yeah, I certainly say there's some interesting folks there as well. Speaking of interesting folks, we watched a – there's a documentary out, an E60 documentary that you were actually a tease for before a commercial break. Connor has a question for you.

1:46:07AJ Hawk:Yeah, Coach, Lane Kiffin's E60 debuted this week, and essentially while telling the story of his life, They do basically make you out to be his savior damn near because no one would touch him with a 10-foot pole after all the situations that had happened. What type of relationship do you have with Layton now? Obviously, he's head coach Ole Miss. They got a huge one this weekend. He's telling the world to take the over. I think everybody probably should. How do you kind of look at things like that when you have to sit down and talk about someone? and it's not a puff piece for you per se, but everyone's talking about how great you are after it.

1:46:47AJ Hawk:Also, is that the most important thing to you when you look back on your coaching career, the guys you kind of helped along the way, especially someone like Lane who was at the top of the top and then basically got cast out and then you helped rebuild them?

1:47:03James Franklin:Well, first of all, I didn't watch the documentary because I lived it for three years. I did it enough. That was good enough for me. But anyway, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Lane. You know, this guy is a great coach. I think at the station of his life, you know, he had been a head coach. Now he's got to go back to being an assistant coach. And I actually think, you know, that's a hard transition. I mean, I was a head coach at the University of Toledo for one year, and then I had to go back and work for Belichick as a defensive coordinator in Cleveland. and it's a hard transition to go from being the boss to, you know, sort of taking the orders from somebody else.

1:47:43James Franklin:But he did a great job for us. He's a great play caller. And I think he's matured, you know, along the way. And I actually think he's a much better head coach at this station or even at the station where we had him than he was an assistant. But he did a great job of being a very good assistant, you know, for us. And I'm glad to see that he's overcome so much adversity, some of it self-inflicted to be able to wounds he calls it yeah to be in a position to have success I mean he's had success everywhere he's been since he's left Alabama and he had a tremendous amount of success at Alabama and it does in fact make me really proud to see guys that really did a great job for us when they were coaches on our staff to be able because they all had goals and aspirations to become coordinators head coaches whatever to be able to see them fulfill that you know I always tried to make it good for the coaches so they never wanted to leave but I also wanted to help them develop so they would get the opportunities that they wanted in the future and you always had somebody seemingly

1:48:53Pat McAfee:in line to get that job because if you were blessed in the Saban Walters normally good things were happening to you. You know, you go down to Saban to pray.

1:49:04James Franklin:Yeah, I get it.

1:49:09James Franklin:But you know, I think what people... But just one other point to make is, you know, some of these guys, whether it's Mike Loxley, Sark, Lane, you know, whoever it was that, you know, sort of came in after a tough circumstance. You know, nobody's perfect. You know, everybody has flaws. And sometimes those flaws create consequences for you, but everybody should have a second chance and an opportunity to prove that they can do something of significance because they would have never been in the position that they were in, head coach of Southern Cal, Washington, wherever it was, if they weren't very talented.

1:49:51Pat McAfee:Tennessee, too, that's quite a moment. That Tennessee part of his life, Breelod. And then Feinbaum, Tennessee fan, Coach Kiffin told us. So that carried into the USC. Miley Cyrus fired, not on a tarmac. Felt like that was a little bit of a lie, but certainly in an FBO. What a life. And he's got a big one this weekend. Huge game this weekend down there in the SEC. Multiple of those, not just Georgia-Bama. We were down in hot-ass Southern Florida. Gumpy actually has a question for you about the state of the Hurricanes and your guy, Coach Cristobal.

1:50:20Drew Allar:Yeah, Coach Cristobal has been really good for Miami, and they're off to a hot start. how do you think you keep that going not let the rap poison as you say creep in a

1:50:29James Franklin:little bit who know i think that's a challenge you know how are people affected by all the external sort of praise that you get and a lot of these young people now get a lot of self-gratification from external factors what's on social media it's on the internet and all that kind of stuff and can they stay focused on the things they need to do to continue to improve you know as a team and everybody's got to do it. You can't have half the team do it and half the team not do it because you get complacency. It creates a blatant disregard for doing what's right. Then you create bad habits because you're not doing things the right way, and then it starts to show up in your play, and then eventually you get beat.

1:51:08James Franklin:We won 19 games in a row twice at Alabama, and the 20th game we lost. I can't sit here and say the other team was better than us. They were good, but they weren't better than us, and we just didn't play very well.

1:51:20Pat McAfee:But it was good for your team? Finally get a loss, a little perspective, because whenever you win and play bad, that's also worst case scenario, right, for coaches?

1:51:27James Franklin:Yeah, well, we needed to lose in both cases. We needed to lose. We were complacent. We weren't paying attention to detail. You know, I mean, when you win, that's why we practicing today. When you lose, when are we practicing? I mean, there's a big difference in that.

1:51:42Pat McAfee:There is a big difference, certainly. And also, a celebration can kind of cover up a lot of bad traits that are maybe taking place for the team. I'd like to let West Virginia football know we don't need any more losses. Nope. He said they didn't need a loss.

1:51:55Nick Saban:They woke up.

1:51:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, Indianapolis Colts, we don't need any more losses. Okay, we don't need to ever lose again. Some teams win 19 straight, obviously, you need a loss. There's some teams that aren't in that well. We need a win. Yeah, you got to keep winning.

1:52:09James Franklin:You got to get to that point.

1:52:10Pat McAfee:You picked against West Virginia a couple times.

1:52:13James Franklin:Yeah, I was sorry for that.

1:52:14Pat McAfee:You were sorry for picking against them or for them?

1:52:16James Franklin:I was sorry for picking against them.

1:52:17Pat McAfee:Yeah, but then you still did it, though. You actually told me beforehand you were going to be sorry to do it. You did it. And how about John Cena? What was that all about? Did you see that, AJ? Did you see whenever he hit me with the UCF TV?

1:52:27Nick Saban:You know, I did. I appreciate Coach for doing that, actually. That was awesome.

1:52:31James Franklin:You know what? I cannot sit here and take credit for that.

1:52:35Nick Saban:Oh.

1:52:36James Franklin:That was my host here giving me some coaching points. No, no, no. Work yourself into a shoot, brother.

1:52:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, that was Mr. Harry. Here it is right there. I take Brock Lesnar after laying out the beast versus the goat and by the way I don't know if he kept up with it. I was right again. Okay, I was right again on the pics on the Coors Light pics and You hit me you can't see me is one of the greatest moments I've seen on the internet I just want to let you know that because there's so many different generations that have felt that and The fact boom not so fast my friend you drop the Lee Corso Yeah.

1:53:09Nick Saban:Yes. Yes.

1:53:13Pat McAfee:What a moment, dude. And then you ate out of an alligator, if you do recall. And we all lost 45 pounds of sweat. It was hot as shit down there. That was hot, man.

1:53:20James Franklin:But it was a great setup. Yeah, it was. There was great enthusiasm. I think it's a fantastic environment. I just want to see Miami get back. I think it's good for college football. I think it's good for the ACC. that Miami is a contender in this day and age of all.

1:53:38Pat McAfee:I agree. All right, we're going to continue digitally as we wrap up here on ESPN. That's Coach Saban. We're in Happy Valley. College game day tomorrow, celebrating Oregon and Penn State and a great weekend of ball. Good luck to America in the Ryder Cup. Have the greatest weekend of your life. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We love you. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We'll see you on Monday. Goodbye.

1:54:01AJ Hawk:Nailed it. Yeah, yeah.

1:54:01Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah.

1:54:02AJ Hawk:You got it.

1:54:03Pat McAfee:Yeah, hold on, we're still live, Coach. We're still live. He was like, get me the fuck out of here.

1:54:11Pat McAfee:He certainly was. Yes, he certainly was. All right, Coach, we'll see you. That's all we want to do. Lazy down, Coach.

1:54:19Nick Saban:Thanks, Coach. Hey, Coach. That was awesome. I'm glad Pat. He put his hands up. He probably got some great food waiting on him, a great lunch, a meeting going on.

1:54:29Drew Allar:Him getting off the show every Friday is something I look forward to. It is fun, isn't it? He's always either just sitting there or just takes off. I love him.

1:54:36Nick Saban:He's always dressed impeccably, right? To the nines. That word is right for that.

1:54:40AJ Hawk:Yeah, probably has a bunch of fits over the years.

1:54:44Nick Saban:Whoever his tailor is somebody he's been working with for a long time, probably comes to the house and measures him, then sends him 15 suit jackets.

1:54:49Drew Allar:Has a lot of that color in his closet.

1:54:51Nick Saban:He does seem to have a lot of that same tone, but that's a real Southern situation. Crimson. Yeah, Crimson. Crimson, right? I think that's right.

1:54:58Drew Allar:I think he coached at Bama for a while.

1:54:59Nick Saban:Yeah, Pat, I think you guys wrapped it up with Coach Saban. How's he doing? Is he still up there? Are you trying to hang around?

1:55:05Pat McAfee:He's the man. I just forced him and taking a selfie with me, obviously. I heard Diggs talking about that there. He is spectacular, dude. Yes. Just as a human, everything. Like, he is fantastic. And it's been really cool just to hang out with him, watch him operate. This morning, he'll come in. And, you know, he's had all these thoughts about what the game day show should be. He's watched all his film. So today is like a good time to just kind of get his thoughts on everything. the shit that he drops in there is just like gem after gem after gem after gem after gem it is uh it's really cool being around him very very cool being around him and we just took a selfie over here even he's it's a beautiful setup here dude penn state i've mentioned it a lot they are all in on all sports and that's only going to continue look for me to have a conversation with uh the athletic director pat craft uh i don't know if we're going to record it or go live tonight something tonight uh with me getting a chance to catch up with him just kind of see what his plan was and how he kind of executes it because this is the future of college this is college sports right now and he's a middle linebacker who is now in charge of an entire university that wants to be fully committed and win at all sports and they are embracing that leaning in on that i can't wait to catch up with him but you can feel it around here man everybody loves this place and that's him that's the athletic director for penn state right there 47 with a neck roll james uh franklin and obviously chit-chatted about him seeing the picture the same way as him.

1:56:29Pat McAfee:It's a lot of alignment here. A lot of alignment. All right, I'm going to go to the bathroom on the other side. Let's make our picks, AJ. We're undefeated.

1:56:35Nick Saban:Yeah, we are undefeated. Here we go. We're seeing the field.

1:56:38Pat McAfee:We might have a perfect slate, you and I, this weekend.

1:56:41Nick Saban:Great chance. There's actually a very good chance we do.

1:56:45Pat McAfee:74 % at one point yesterday on the Seattle Seahawks. It hits. Maybe the sportsbooks are fucking done.

1:56:51Nick Saban:We're going to bankrupt them for sure.

1:56:55Pat McAfee:AJ, I'm pretty excited. Yeah. This is good. Much better than last week. Remember last week, we both had to be like, last night doesn't matter because we start off cold. We're hot right now.

1:57:03Nick Saban:It's good to get a good – it's like the Ryder Cup. It's like Bryson's tee shot, even though he didn't end up winning that one. But still, we won that. That's not a good analogy. They didn't win. You're right. It's not. Age. Let's get the – We're live here. We're live. We're spitballing.

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1:57:37Drew Allar:your cabana's ready. Would you like fresh towels?

1:57:39AJ Hawk:It matters where you stay. Book now at Hilton.com. Hilton, for this day. My day kicks off with a refreshing Celsius energy drink, then straight to the gym. Pre-K pickup, back home to meal prep. Time for my fire station shift. One more Celsius, gotta keep the lights on. When the three alarm hits, I'm ready. Celsius. Live. Fit. Go.

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1:58:15Nick Saban:Football! It's what we're doing right Pat? Here we go, Hour 3. How was Coach Saban? I know he got out of there pretty quickly. Was he alright? Did he have a lunch meeting or something?

1:58:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think Coach Saban's always wheeling and dealing. He might have a Ferrari to be sold or maybe a Mercedes Benz, you know, maybe some film to watch or maybe just a business meeting to navigate through. But the room that I'm in right now, not just James Franklin's door here, feels like I'm getting to know the entire on-campus recruiting staff, the NIL staff. I just got gifted a hat. Lock the duck in, I guess, because James Franklin has been quoted before saying, lock the fuck in. So you get it, you just put a D there, and then you put the duck on there. I can zoom in, actually, I think, on this thing.

1:58:58Let me go and zoom in on this.

1:59:00Pat McAfee:Nope, that's out. Oh, no, don't get too sick. All right, look at that. LTDI. Lock the duck in. You see, that is a play on locking the fuck in, but you also lock the duck in because they're coming to town, and we got to do this such. Now, the hat is not a crappy hat. It is actually pretty well put together. It feels like it wouldn't be, like, cartoony on my head if I was put on. Large brain person. But I will save this for after the game to see if they actually lock the duck in or if the duck fucking gets out and gets loose, which is certainly possible with this Oregon team, but I love the business.

1:59:38Pat McAfee:This is a full business. They're treating it as such. This is what everybody is aspiring to become, and I got a chance to meet a lot of young Penn Staters here that obviously bleed for this place but are also working their ass off for this place. It's been a really cool day. Let's go to the Toxic Table at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer.

2:00:01Pat McAfee:Cowboys. I don't know how big the delay is. Sometimes it feels bigger than other times. That's AP tone there in AJ Hawk on Fridays. There's one thing that we have to do for society and obviously we'll utilize the other half of the hammer.

2:00:17Pat McAfee:Cowboys gumpy in this entire process, but it's time to make our picks against the entire slate And this weekend, we have NFL happening at 9.30 a.m. We have the Minnesota Vikings taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers in Dublin town, Ireland. Vikings favored by two and a half. Obviously, the Steelers are beloved in that country. The ownership has actually been an ambassador there. The amount of Irish people in Pittsburgh is alarming. Are the Minnesota Vikings going to go in there with Carson Wentz, a quarterback, and steal the entire country from the Steel Towns? Go to AP Tone. Tone, where do you fall on this particular game?

2:00:51Drew Allar:I actually feel good about this one because the last time I felt really good was against Seahawks. So we'll see how that goes. But I don't think Carson Wentz is good. So sue me there. I don't want to live in a world where Aaron Rodgers loses to Carson Wentz. In Ireland. It's 11 on 11. Yeah, well. With hopefully the spirit of Mr. Rooney is there. And I hope it's a good day. I hope it's an easy day. There hasn't been a lot of easy days for Steelers fans, and I'm hoping this one is.

2:01:24Pat McAfee:Okay, yeah, Minnesota Vikings, obviously the team to have an easy day against, of course. What is this, five, six years ago? Tom Pelissero tweeted, the Steelers added running back Jalen Warren with a knee to the injury report. He's questionable for Sunday versus Minnesota. Johnny Smith in corner, Joey Porter Jr., also questionable. But I did see Joey Porter Sr. over in Ireland. And I saw Kiesel over there. They're hanging out at Mahins places, and it feels like the vibes in Ireland are electrifying. I will take the Minnesota Vikings minus 2.5 at 9.30 a.m. against the Pittsburgh Steelers in Dublin, Ireland.

2:01:58Pat McAfee:KOC came on, was awesome. I believe in Carson Wentz because I've seen it. I've seen it with these eyes. When he's playing good, he's unbelievable. If KOC can harness that buck and bull into making the right decisions on a regular basis, there's a chance that Carson Wentz sees this middle-of-career resurgence that we've been seeing amongst a lot of quarterbacks. AJ, do you see it the same way I'm seeing it?

2:02:17Nick Saban:Man, I thought we were going to see this one similar, but I don't think so. I'm taking the Steelers here plus two and a half on the road. I feel Carson Wentz is going to play. He might be all right, but I think TJ, we know he's been rolling this last game. TJ's going to do it. I think this D-line steps up for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and let's find a way to win, boys.

2:02:36Pat McAfee:So only one of us will be perfect, I guess, this week.

2:02:39Nick Saban:I guess. Damn it. Unfortunately.

2:02:43Pat McAfee:It's the first game. It's a 9.30 game, and we're already seeing things the opposite way.

2:02:46Nick Saban:I didn't want to do it.

2:02:48Pat McAfee:I thought we all understood what was going on. KOC, Carson Wentz experience, we're doing it. Pittsburgh Steelers fans not exactly thrilled with what the Pittsburgh Steelers have been. It's Ireland. Law and a hype. Maybe some distraction. The Steelers are staying in a fucking castle. Okay, we all saw where they're staying. It's beautiful.

2:03:03Nick Saban:A lot more Steelers fans in the park, right? Yeah, I would assume.

2:03:07AJ Hawk:Well, that's the assumption, but I believe there is actually a Gaelic law going back to ancient Ireland that says if there is a red-haired quarterback and you don't root for him, you get your tongue cut up.

2:03:18Pat McAfee:Yep. If there is a leprechaun, no matter the size, playing quarterback for the team, you cheer for said team. Yeah, it's a wall. We found that out when we went over there. Obviously, that got lost in all the drunk escapades. Shout out to Dublin, Ireland, showing up once again. We assume it's going to be electrifying. Let's go to the Saints and the Bills. Bills favored by 14.5 at home. That is a hilarious spread for Week 4. Martone, 14.5. Is there history behind how big of a spread this is this early in the season?

2:03:45Drew Allar:It's the biggest one so far in this season. Obviously, we've had back-to-back weeks where we've had an 11.5 or a 12. This one was started at 16.5. You can actually get a 15.5 across the board now at a lot of places. It is a ginormous one, and you can see it right there. Largest underdogs they've been in the NFL game in 40 years, so it's pretty historic for the Saints at least.

2:04:09Pat McAfee:give me the buffalo beals aj uh who do you think yeah give me the buffalo beals i have to i love

2:04:16Nick Saban:the beals i think they find they went by 21 i guess me too it's hard just this is one of those

2:04:22Pat McAfee:ones that tone talks about and the gamblers talk about when we wake up the next day yeah yeah we bet we bet with the bills not with us like that right that is exactly connor right you're feeling the same way?

2:04:32AJ Hawk:Yeah, exactly. I cannot in good faith as a human being bet on the Saints in Buffalo. The Bills don't have Ed Oliver in the middle still, and they still don't have Matt Milano. And if this was 29 and a half, I would still, as a human being, have to bet on Buffalo. Yep.

2:04:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, just because we got to wake up and look in the mirror, you know? If the world was mirrorless, okay, I'd take the Saints this weekend.

2:05:00AJ Hawk:Amen.

2:05:01Pat McAfee:Since my house has a mirror and I got to wake up the next morning and look at it. And there's a discussion that takes place. Holy shit, you look like you're 60 years old. Oh, good morning. Then you can't do the answer. I think, you know. And then there's a why. Why? Josh, how do we pick against them? Exactly. That would be the first thought. Before I even brush my teeth, it would be what? Kellen Moe? Kelly Moe? Kelly Moe?

2:05:27AJ Hawk:It's the best team versus the worst team. Like, this spread cannot be big enough to pick the Saints. There's no number out there.

2:05:36Pat McAfee:What's the percentage out there? I assume Bill's still heavy, even if it's 14.5. You said it was 16.5, and it's gone down to 14.5. Now it's at 15.5 across the board, Doug?

2:05:43Drew Allar:Correct, yes. And the money is on 64 % on the Bills. Okay.

2:05:50Pat McAfee:All right, so we get it at minus 14.5, right? Because when we made this pick, we were looking at the graphic. AJ, you agree? Yes, absolutely. Even though that's not what the line is and nobody else can get that, We'll take that for our little game here. Eagles, Buccaneers, Eagles down in Tampa Bay favored by three and a half. Ty Schmidt, what are your thoughts on Coach Sirianni going down into Tampa Bay as three and a half point favorites?

2:06:11AJ Hawk:Well, I believe the Eagles have historically had a bit of a tough go down in Tampa. And I don't know. This Tampa team feels a little bit different. They just feel a little bit different for whatever reason. All these final drives, Bakers marching right down the field and scoring. And then on top of that, they've had that makeshift line. They're supposed to allegedly be getting worse back this week. And Chris Godwin, we obviously know how good Abuka's been. So, I mean, I'm sure the Eagles will be ready to go. But this has kind of got, you know, game of the week written all over it.

2:06:45Pat McAfee:Rick Stroud, obviously the Tampa Times, keeping us updated on what's going on down there. We appreciate him doing that. I like the Buccaneers plus three and a half. Even if the Eagles win, I like Buccaneers at home plus three and a half. AJ, your thoughts?

2:06:58Nick Saban:Yeah, I'm going to have to go with you on this one. I like the Buccaneers as well at home plus 3.5. I love Baker. I like that Godwin is back, and if Werff is playing and he's 75 % or more, I think that's great for the Bucs.

2:07:09Pat McAfee:Man, I'm starting to get a real good feel about how I'm seeing these games. Titans, Texans. Texans favored by 7.5 at home. Over under 38.5. Jeez. Hey, obviously, 38.5. That is a low number. I just saw something from Dan Levitard's show with Diana Rossini Rossini there it is I'm so sorry Paisana there she said she's writing about CJ and the Texans and basically said something along the lines of they still haven't been able to click and they're trying to figure out the offense and then she said there's some things going on that we'll learn about who knows what that means she was teasing a thing she was writing I think whenever she was talking so who knows what we found out what we haven't found out cj gj gets kicked off the team it seems like cut off from the team out of nowhere who knows what leads to that in its entirety and it just feels like after getting killed by the colts you know like maybe titans keep it within a touchdown with the texans rivalry game division game

2:08:07Nick Saban:uh your thoughts aj yeah seven and a half for the texans seven and a half point favorites like that's that seems a bit wild to me right now and the whole the racini situation too like it has me intrigued good tease by her I'm not sure what they're talking about if it's a health thing or what it possibly possibly could be but I am fully on board with Cam Ward and what he is doing give me the Tennessee Titans okay look at

2:08:30Pat McAfee:us seeing this thing you took the Eagles or Tampa Bay you took Tampa Bay yeah

2:08:34Nick Saban:the only thing is the Steelers one we've disagreed on all right so we'll see

2:08:38Pat McAfee:Chargers and the Giants Chargers favored by six and a half in MetLife over under 43 and a half let's go to Bruce Jackson darts starting what do you think that means for the rest of the boys for the New York Giants as a Giants face Faithful foul.

2:08:49AJ Hawk:Jack City, bitch. Jack, Jack City, bitch. I think we keep it close in the first half. I think we probably go into halftime tied. The first half line is Giants plus three and a half. I prefer that one. Full game, we probably find a way to lose. It'll probably be something asinine, maybe a rough in the pass or get him into field goal territory, something like that. But, yeah, I think we hang tough, but eventually it probably slips away from us.

2:09:13Pat McAfee:Okay, so I like the Chargers. Who's the defensive coordinator there?

2:09:17AJ Hawk:Jesse Minter. Yeah, he's going to put him in a body bag.

2:09:21Pat McAfee:You feel the same way, it sounds like.

2:09:23AJ Hawk:Yeah, this is one of those, like, hey, can I bet on the Giants to score less than 10 points type games? I love Jackson Dart. Think it's going to work out. Think he's going to save Dayball's job as well. I just think Jesse Minner and John Harbaugh, if you were to go in line of teams and coaches and D coordinators, you want your rookie QB to start his career with, they've got to be bottom three on that list. Probably the worst. I guess maybe you can put up maybe like Todd Bowles would probably be terrible for a rookie QB too. But that sucks for the Giants. I love the Chargers.

2:10:01Drew Allar:Giants over or under for total points is 18.5 if you would like to bet. A little high.

2:10:07Pat McAfee:JJ looking at me down there. Mario Robinson walking through and Eagles walking through. Hey team, good to see you guys. Have a great game. Hell yeah, hell yeah. That's going to be an honor to watch you guys. Have a great season. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. So like six, seven footers walked out of this hallway. I don't know who the fuck they are. Just walked out of this hallway and they went this way. And then the entire NBC crew just kind of walked through that's during the game. And hell yeah. Oh yeah. Black, uh, Black, uh, Black, uh, uh, Todd Black. Todd Blackledge.

2:10:36Nick Saban:Todd Blackledge.

2:10:37Pat McAfee:There he is. Todd. Thank you. For a pet take.

2:10:41Nick Saban:Great. Yeah.

2:10:42Pat McAfee:Yeah. He's back home. It feels like he has a little spunk to him. on his ground. I got the Chargers. AJ, who do you have?

2:10:49Nick Saban:Yeah, I love Jackson Dart. He's going to bring some juice. I think Scadaboo is going to dent a few helmets and body parts of other people, but I will take the Chargers.

2:10:56Drew Allar:You guys can get the Chargers at six.

2:10:58Nick Saban:We like it.

2:10:59Pat McAfee:We like that. We would like them at six. Maybe five and a half if you can find it. Yeah, if you can find that, let me know. Let's go to the Browns and the Lions. Lions favored by nine and a half. Okay. Way too many points. What are we, gentlemen? That's a lot of points. Give me the Browns plus nine and a half. Give me the Browns, too.

2:11:14Drew Allar:I've taken the Browns. There's a 10-and-a-half out there, actually. You get the Browns at 10-and-a-half. I'll take that.

2:11:18Pat McAfee:I got a tidbit for you guys, though. This might change a little bit. Halftime show is Mitchell Tenpenny in Detroit. That might change some things here. Nope. Mitchell Tenpenny, what was his? I take the tequila time. I want a tequila time. Can someone sing his stuff?

2:11:35Nick Saban:Foxy, maybe? That was it. I just did it, actually.

2:11:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, AJ, I'm trying to find it. You can help me out here. I think it's I want a tequila little.

2:11:44Drew Allar:He's actually opening for Jordan Davis these days, I saw. The football player?

2:11:48AJ Hawk:He's a great player.

2:11:49Drew Allar:He comes out before him?

2:11:51Pat McAfee:No, fucking buy dirt. Oh, I thought Mitchell Tenpenny was the guy that was actually opening the hole for Jordan Davis. Whenever you see field goals happen for the other team, Tenpenny's driving the guard, and then Jordan Davis is coming up, so he is open for him there and also on the road musically. Tenpenny turning the boys up up there at halftime. Might fucking change a little something. Is Kid Rock going to be with him?

2:12:12AJ Hawk:Let's assume so. Yeah, Bob will always be there in spirit. Some of the thing about also with Cleveland, great defense at home. It's awesome. The Ravens did hang 45 on them, or 42, whatever the hell it was. Great offense. Great offense. And then the Lions just beat the piss out of the Ravens. So I'm just saying 10 and a half. There's a reason the sports books made 10 and a half after the Brownies just beat the Packers. I'm just saying. I mean, Ty. Ty, you. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say the devil's advocate would be that the Browns' defense might be the best of all time. So, and in years past, yes, we know that that's kind of a home field split.

2:12:48AJ Hawk:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be taking it on the road this year. I think Jim Schwartz actually told him, like, hey, this year, I think we're going to also take the good defense on the road as well because our offense is absolute shite. Whatever you do, don't pick the Lions because fucking Mitchell Tenpenny is in the house. Okay. Let's just get that out there right now. We don't know, Ty. Did you get a picture of Mitchell Tenpenny?

2:13:09Pat McAfee:Ty, we don't know because there might be a ball with the ball to bang. That's different. I agree. That's different.

2:13:16AJ Hawk:If it is Mitchell Tenpenny with Kid Rock, then I'm good. But guess what? Bob Ritchie ain't ever getting fucking second billing to Mitchell Tenpenny. So we would know if Kid Rock was there.

2:13:29Pat McAfee:What if he comes out, though, and has a remix to that that we don't even know, and he goes, my name is Mitch, and he starts out with that entire thing. What if he is ball with the ball and in that? What if he's covering Kid Rock the entire time? Does that count?

2:13:43AJ Hawk:If that's the case, yes, that would count. That would count. But, you know, is this number going to move before now and then? You know, if that happens, do all of a sudden, are the Lions, I don't know, you know, 20 and a half point favorites? It's possible. The Lions.

2:13:56Pat McAfee:Can we get a set list? Sorry, go ahead. We need to know if he's covering Kid Rock.

2:14:01Drew Allar:We can get a set list. Also, the Lions OC, Johnny Morton, was talking shit on the Browns defense. So see how that goes.

2:14:08Pat McAfee:Johnny Moe? Yeah, he did. They ain't never seen a run game like ours. They ain't seen a run game like ours. What do you know? Johnny Moe, huh? Okay. I like that. Love that. Maz Garrett heard that. He did. I'm sticking with the bronze. I'm sticking with the bronze. I think obviously Lions win. Congratulations. Especially Mitchell Tinpenny delivering a Kid Rock tribute that we have never seen before. But I like the Browns plus 10. AJ, you as well?

2:14:34Nick Saban:I do like the Browns plus 10. but man, I hope Mitchell Tenpenny sees this little seg and he actually covers at least one song of K-Wilk. He's been on the show before.

2:14:43Pat McAfee:I don't think Tenpenny's gimmick is... How do we spell Tenpenny? Tenpenny. Just like Ten and just like Ten. Sound it out.

2:14:51Nick Saban:T-H-E-N. I'm just wondering, is that on his birth certificate? Or is this something that some big exec gave to him?

2:14:57Pat McAfee:No, it's the birth game. Hold on, hold on. Please, we need to show some respect. The Tenpenny's, big deal I think in Nashville and music creating as a whole. I think the Tenpenny family is very active down there in Music Row. I don't know anything about this.

2:15:10AJ Hawk:Feel stupid yet? No.

2:15:12Nick Saban:That's called ignorance. No, it's called being curious. Sorry, I'll ask questions my whole life, guys. Well, you should be judgmental, not curious. You didn't ask the question.

2:15:20Drew Allar:I should be judgmental. Be judgmental, not curious. You're right.

2:15:24Pat McAfee:You didn't ball with the ball at all there. Carolina Panthers taking on the New England Patriots. Con man favored by five and a half after what the Panthers just did to the Falcons. How do we feel?

2:15:33AJ Hawk:Oh, yeah. Patriots should have beat the Steelers by two touchdowns, without a doubt. I would say the D.C. for the Patriots, he's probably going to be done for the year. He just got diagnosed with prostate cancer, unfortunately. Tease and piece to him. Man. That sucks. But I think Gonzalez is back on the defense. Drake May quietly is having an unbelievable year. Hopefully they can win some games. So it at least has some weight going into the offseason. But, no, I love the Patriots this weekend.

2:16:07Pat McAfee:Five turnovers last week against the Steelers, two of them in the end zone. So, 14 points literally off the board for the New England Patriots last week. We assume that it'll get better. Tees and P's of defense coordinator probably means variable is going to be a little bit more hands-on on the defensive side, which, you know, I don't know how much of a letoff there will be or any difference there will be. I like the Patriots minus five and a half, AJ.

2:16:27Nick Saban:Yeah, with all that being said, I think, yeah, Patriots turned the ball over five times. and still only losing by seven. Yeah, I think that's a positive. There's a very small chance I think they turn over five times again. So give me the Patriots here.

2:16:40Pat McAfee:The Washington Commanders with Marcus Mariota and without Terry McLaurin, that sucks for them. Without Jaden Danos, without Terry McLaurin, taking on an Atlanta Falcons team that just got absolutely schmacked right in the mouth. Bad, bad. One of the worst games in the history of the NFL. And Penix obviously is going to take his lumps as he continues to grow. as a starting quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons. Washington Commanders, what's the vibes on it? Gump, Gump, what is the vibes on this particular game? One and a half here, Washington Commanders, Atlanta Falcons. This game you wouldn't bet?

2:17:11Pat McAfee:Is that what you're thinking?

2:17:12Drew Allar:No, I think it's a good bounce back spot for Atlanta. They marched into Minnesota just two weeks ago and beat the shite out of them. I think the Falcons get right. I don't think Mariota has back-to-back wins here.

2:17:23Pat McAfee:Okay, so you think that maybe there's a water fine in its level for both these teams. Absolutely. Maybe Atlanta's not as bad and maybe Washington's not as good. AJ, who do you like?

2:17:31Nick Saban:Oh, boy. This one's a little tougher for me, but I like Washington Commanders. I love what Mariota's doing, taking on his old squad. Remember how that whole situation when he left the team and all of that?

2:17:40AJ Hawk:He filmed quarterback that season.

2:17:41Pat McAfee:Yeah.

2:17:42Nick Saban:I like the Commanders here.

2:17:44Pat McAfee:I forgot about a revenge game. Falcons corner, A.J. Terrell. Or Terrell. Yep, Terrell. You know that. Terrell. You got it. A.J. Terrell is out for Sunday's game versus Washington. Do his hamstring injury. I'll take the Washington Commanders as well, even though Gumpy said the complete opposite. Colts and Rams. We don't know which way I'm going. Two and a half? No, no. It was four or five, wasn't it?

2:18:03Drew Allar:No, no. I'm saying, sorry, you can get the Commanders plus two and a half.

2:18:08Pat McAfee:Okay. Commanders plus two and a half I think we'll both take. And then the Colts and the Rams. Can I get the Colts plus four? Maybe plus five? Maybe plus six or seven?

2:18:16Drew Allar:You can get the Colts at plus three and a half.

2:18:19Pat McAfee:What? That's unbelievable. I do appreciate the fact that the best team in ball is getting three and a half points on the road. And who's how? Somebody needs to ask. Dirty. That's going to be the Colts house. Okay, Colts fans are about to travel like they're Green Bay Packers fans, like they're Pittsburgh Steelers fans. They're about to fill that place up. Colts are about to be, this is our time. This is our team. And they're going to bleed blue. And you know who that's bad for? You, Los Angeles Rams. Give me the Colts plus three and a half in a hostile environment at 4 o 'clock.

2:18:53Nick Saban:Yeah, I hear what Alec Pierce, he's out with a concussion. Is that right?

2:18:58Pat McAfee:You tell me.

2:18:59Nick Saban:Yep. Son of a bitch. His head hit the ground twice on that one. So hard. I want to take the Colts here. I really do, but I'm taking the Rams at home. Okay.

2:19:09Pat McAfee:Okay, thanks, AJ. Yeah, we heard about what you said about dimes.

2:19:12Nick Saban:Jacksonville. I've been pumping dimes up the day they picked him up. You know that. You've been waiting on his downfall, bro. You've been praying on his downfall. Praying on his downfall. I have not prayed on his downfall.

2:19:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, you've been praying on his downfall. I have always Danny Dimes.

2:19:26Nick Saban:No, you're not, bro.

2:19:27Pat McAfee:Danny Dimes doesn't play perfect, peep workers. start asking if they're frauds. That's what you said in the first hour. Unbelievable. Just capping, bro. Exactly how I said it. That's how Hoffnam talks. Yeah, because he's capping. Ain't that right, Connor? Uh-huh. You do be capping, bro. Straight. Can somebody explain six, seven? I don't think I fully understand. I asked that question. I couldn't get an answer. I've never felt older in my life than whenever watching that go around. Honestly, my daughter's too young, but I guess she's close to knowing what this means. I don't know.

2:20:03Nick Saban:We should have Mitt explain what the young kids are talking about. You don't know what that means.

2:20:06Pat McAfee:Jacksonville, yeah. I want like five, eight, I want to count it to their number. You know why six was afraid of seven? It's seven, eight, nine. You know, so you don't want to be eating like Pac-Man. Jacksonville taking on the Niners. Niners favored by three and a half. There's some news coming out of San Francisco. I just read a tweet that was up here. Coach Kyle Shanahan told KNBR, we're on your side, that QB Brock Purdy is progressing towards returning the field on Sunday. I think the toe is feeling better each day, and if that continues, he should be good on Sunday. They can also shoot that thing up.

2:20:43Pat McAfee:Brock Purdy back in the lineup for San Francisco. We will assume, is that enough for them to win by at least four, unless there is a different spread that we're not knowing about right now.

2:20:52Drew Allar:There are threes out there if you would like the Niners.

2:20:55Pat McAfee:AJ, who do you like?

2:20:57Drew Allar:I like Jacksonville here.

2:20:59Nick Saban:Wow. Wow.

2:21:01Pat McAfee:Shit.

2:21:01Nick Saban:Yeah. I'm just, that's my instincts. You know, I'm trusting my instincts here. Smart. You like Liam Cohn. I do like him. I like Trevor Lawrence. I think maybe. You like Shaq Khan. I do like Shaq Khan. I cannot wait for a postgame situation. Well, he didn't do it last time they won.

2:21:17Drew Allar:He didn't do it last game. Or they didn't put it out.

2:21:19Pat McAfee:I think he actually, no, I think he had the recording on his phone, and he walked around and showed everybody when they were at the mall.

2:21:24AJ Hawk:That's a good idea. I heard the fish. Smart man. I like that.

2:21:28Pat McAfee:Sell does a ringtone. Yeah, exactly. This guy created bumpers. He's going to come up with ideas, obviously. I'll take Jaguars plus three and a half.

2:21:38Nick Saban:The Bosa injury is partly why I picked the Jags as well.

2:21:42Pat McAfee:What the fuck? What am I doing? Salah versus Trevor Lawrence? Yeah, I know.

2:21:45AJ Hawk:Yeah, Pearsall added to the injury report yesterday. Is it questionable? He's hurt. Jennings still on the report. He is banged up. I think Brian Thomas Jr. is the biggest one for the Jags Alright, I will take Hmm

2:22:05Pat McAfee:Is Kittle? When's Kittle? He's done He's out So he's got what, two more weeks?

2:22:11AJ Hawk:At least, I believe, yeah

2:22:14Pat McAfee:Christian McCaffrey, how's he?

2:22:16Drew Allar:He's good to go They haven't scored a running touchdown this season somehow

2:22:21Pat McAfee:Christian McCaffrey's actually on pace to touch the ball more than anybody in the history of ball.

2:22:25AJ Hawk:That's still tracking, I'm pretty sure, as well, after last week.

2:22:31Pat McAfee:Give me Christian McCaffrey and the San Francisco 49ers minus three against the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's a good number. Yeah, you got it.

2:22:41Nick Saban:What did I get the Jags at?

2:22:42Pat McAfee:Three and a half. Plus three and a half. Yeah, I got them at minus three. Bears, Raiders. Raiders favored by one and a half in Las Vegas. Obviously, Chicago has a huge win over the Dallas Cowboys. in Eberflus revenge game for Caleb Williams. Is this the beginning of something or just something that we saw one time and we'll never see again? Ty, what are our thoughts on the NFC North Chicago Bears with the Raiders here?

2:23:05AJ Hawk:I still think they stink, the Bears, but it's weird because the Raiders, I feel like going into the season, we were giving them, hey, they got Geno Smith now. Pete Carroll, all he does is know how to win. And through a couple weeks, I mean, their schedule hasn't been super easy, but it's just like, oh no, oh, is this the same Raiders team that we've had the last five to ten years where they play a good game every once in a while, but ultimately they're going to win six games and be a massive disappointment. I'm kind of getting that feeling with the Raiders this year.

2:23:36Pat McAfee:All right, I'm picking the Raiders because of that. Pete Carroll heard that. That's a lot to pull from. Give me the Raiders minus one and a half. You could get them at minus a half. AJ, who do you like? Minus a half. Boom, give me that. Minus half. Raiders are going to win this game. Could you imagine they tie this thing and I lose by it?

2:23:50AJ Hawk:No. One team has Max Crosby on one side of the line and the other has Caleb Williams. So I can't wait to see what Max Crosby does to Caleb. Not even on the field, just chirping. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, bingo. Oh, my God.

2:24:04Drew Allar:Yeah, yeah.

2:24:07AJ Hawk:Except for Max.

2:24:08Pat McAfee:There's going to be some real pizzazz out there, I think. Need some loud mics.

2:24:13AJ Hawk:Make sure the mics on that game are turned up.

2:24:17Pat McAfee:Tuned up as well.

2:24:18Nick Saban:AJ, who do you got? I like the Raiders and strictly because of the quad box that D-butt put up earlier this week to show how wide open all those receivers were on the touchdowns that Caleb threw last week against the Cowboys. That makes me worried a little bit. I feel like the Raiders might tighten up their coverage a tiny bit, but Caleb did play well and did complete these balls, which I'm not taking anything away from. I'm just, you usually don't get free runners like this in the NFL.

2:24:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, especially against Dallas Cowboys, your old head coach. is, you know, maybe Iberflus gave Caleb Williams a bone, too. You know, maybe they didn't practice all week. Maybe they said we're going to leave somebody open. It was a new thing just to make Caleb feel better. Now we got a game. Which one of these powerhouses is going to be one and three after week four? Baltimore Ravens, Kansas City Chiefs. Baltimore obviously has these situations where they lose in the end. The Kansas City Chiefs, I don't think they've looked good in the regular season for like the last three years, but they're always around in the end.

2:25:14Pat McAfee:This year, people are saying, it's the demise of the dynasty. Steve. This is the year where they're done. This is the year when it's over. Is this the time for the Baltimore Ravens to cement that and go to 2-2 as opposed to going 1-3? Anything we need to know about this on the back end, boys?

2:25:29AJ Hawk:I don't think so. I think across the board, it's pretty healthy, aside from... Xavier Worthy? Yeah, aside from Xavier and those guys that have been injured, I think it's... Yeah, here we go. Xavier's back. Xavier will be back, and then I'm assuming Matabuke for the Ravens is still out. Not sure on Kyle Van Noy if he's questionable or if he's playing or not. Who do you got, AJ?

2:25:53Nick Saban:Man, I was leaning heavy, Ravens. I like that Xavier Worthy is back for the Chiefs. The Chiefs being dogs at home, maybe that puts a little chip on their shoulder. Give me the Chiefs.

2:26:07Drew Allar:Second time this year they're dogs at home. Yeah. What happened the first time? They lost the Eagles. First time since 2019 they've been dogs back-to-back home games.

2:26:18AJ Hawk:The sportsbooks see what we see. Matt Moore was at the wheel. They see what we see.

2:26:25Pat McAfee:But that Ravens defense is horrendous. Bad. With Xavier Worthy being back, this might be the week that the Chiefs.

2:26:34Nick Saban:And do they get Pacheco going? Do they get the run game going?

2:26:36AJ Hawk:Ravens have dropped like 40, 42, and 30. I think if the Chiefs tried to score 30 points right now, it would take eight games.

2:26:47Pat McAfee:Who are you taking, Connor?

2:26:49AJ Hawk:Yeah, who do you got? I think I like the Ravens.

2:26:56Pat McAfee:Sounded like that. All right, I'll go with Big Bubba. I'll take Bubba. Butta, I'm sorry. I'll take Butta. Sorry, I got baited into saying Bubba there. I'll ride with Butta and Stavi. Green Bay in Dallas, obviously Sunday Night Football down there in Jerry World. It's Maka or Muckles return on Sunday Night Football. And obviously NBC has a huge weekend with the Ryder Cup streaming all weekend on Peacock and on across their networks. And then on Sunday Night Football, they have a Super Bowl like atmosphere as all the stars are going to be out. All the shit is going to be there. And right now, Green Bay is favored by six and a half heading into Jerry World.

2:27:35Pat McAfee:Ty Schmidt comfortable with six and a half, or is there a different line right now, Tone?

2:27:40AJ Hawk:That is it. Okay, yeah, I thought so. Yeah, I'm comfortable. I'd say if the Packers would have won that game against the Browns last week, like 13-10, instead of losing it, then I would have been a little bit worried just with all the pomp and circumstance surrounding this game. But I think they're going to be very motivated. I know it's like a storybook thing. I really do think Michael might have one of the best games of his career. and the Cowboys are just so banged up. I know offensively Dak is still good, but I don't see how they win. They need CeeDee Lamb. They just do. And their line's banged up too.

2:28:15AJ Hawk:And then obviously we're talking about everything DB. We saw what their secondary was like last week. So I expect this to be a big get-right game for Jordan Love in the offense. And I think Michael is going to be very, very, very ready to go in there and dominate.

2:28:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, and I like that you're reminding him that that's what Jerry was calling him after it all. We have an injury report from yesterday for the Cowboys. Secondary seems to be trending in the right direction. Obviously, CD and Tyler Booker. The thought of the secondary putting out another performance that they had like last week, I just don't see. I like that there's this much hype around it. I think Dak Prescott's a great leader. Six and a half feels like a lot of points. Give me the Dallas Cowboys plus six and a half at home. AJ, your thoughts?

2:29:00Nick Saban:Okay. I didn't see you going there, but that 6.5 does seem like a lot. But as Ty said, I think Michael slash Micah is going to be juiced. I think early and often he is going to get to the quarterback. He may not have three sacks, but I think he's going to get plenty of pressures. And I think he's going to wreak some havoc. That Green Bay defense is still legit, so give me Green Bay here.

2:29:22Pat McAfee:I don't like it. I don't like what I did there.

2:29:25AJ Hawk:Still time. Still time. Yeah. to go the other way. Maybe they'll figure it out. I think they got their asses ripped all week. I really did. For sure. Yeah, big time. They probably had plenty of like –

2:29:36Pat McAfee:You think LaFleur was doing this to his coaches about getting louder when talking to the players?

2:29:41AJ Hawk:I don't know. It was really like one of the first times I've seen him, and I was like, wow, I really like what he's doing right now after a loss. Like, I really like this. He's pissed. He was absolutely pissed. He was big time, big time. And he didn't call a great game either, so I think he probably knows that. But I hear what you're saying. Six and a half is a lot of points.

2:30:01Drew Allar:And the Cowboys secondary could figure it out because they only gave, they gave a 450 to Russ and then they gave up a billion to Caleb. So they'll probably stop Jordan.

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2:30:43Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Thank you, DoorDash. Love you, DoorDash. We're changing our life, and thank you for that pizza there. I'm sticking with the – give me the Packers. I'll take the Green Bay Packers. Oh, okay. I'll take the Green Bay Packers, yeah. Just because Maka, I'd like Maka and his new friends to go in there and say, hey, this one's for our guy here. This one's for our guy here. And on the flip side, though, what if the Dallas Cowboys locker room goes and says, hey, a lot of bullshit being said about our team. A lot of bullshit being said about who's our team, why's our team, what we need, what we don't need.

2:31:13Pat McAfee:Obviously, last week, not good. That's a lot of motivation, especially with the game at home and kind of the Super Bowl-type feet.

2:31:20Nick Saban:They do like shoddy, too. It seems like the players like shoddy.

2:31:23Pat McAfee:I'll take Green Bay give me Green Bay plus six and a half alright let's get the hell out of here I got an opportunity to go meet Coach Katie of the women's volleyball team national champion remember at the ESPY she was celebrated because she was battling through cancer as she was also coaching her team to a national championship she by the definition is an absolute dog and I'm gonna get a chance to go say hello to her so that's obviously an incredible opportunity then I'm gonna enjoy Happy Valley here and it's vibes and then tomorrow morning We're kicking off a great college football slate, and then an incredible NFL Sunday is coming, and then overreaction Monday, especially after USA versus Europe, is about to be, I mean, absolutely paramount.

2:32:04Pat McAfee:I mean, we're about to maybe hit the climax of everything on Monday, and it's great to be fully in football season and know that we're going to have great games ahead because we kind of got teams figured out at this point. But who's real? Who's not? Who's the contender? Who's the pretender in disguise? We find out. Week four football with the Ryder Cup happening. AJ, I need you to make a shot. What was it for? What was the shot for? No injuries.

2:32:26Drew Allar:No injuries. Yeah, no injuries.

2:32:28Pat McAfee:AJ, this first one's for Team USA and the Ryder Cup. Hell yeah. First of all.

2:32:32Nick Saban:International ball?

2:32:32Pat McAfee:No, hold on. Do not shoot the international ball.

2:32:35Nick Saban:There's an American ball.

2:32:38AJ Hawk:There's an American bagget ball. All right, I can shoot this. All right.

2:32:43Nick Saban:Which one? Want me to this one, Pat?

2:32:44Pat McAfee:No, no, hold on. I've never shot it. I think the international. Bruce is going to get a real ball. Yes. The international ball should be used for injuries. I don't think you should be shooting the USA Ryder Cup ball. We have a USA Ryder Cup ball. Boom. Showcase those letters to that camera. That's the normal one. Oh, my God. That ain't it. That ain't it. That ain't it. That ain't it. Oh.

2:33:09Nick Saban:Anyone over the USA ball might be there on my feet. God damn it. That's not it. They're saying it's the same USA, Bruce.

2:33:17AJ Hawk:He's gone. He's gone. I'm a hot mitt. I'm a hot mitt. Yeah, check it.

2:33:21Nick Saban:We're hustling. It's for the Ryder Cup. It might be on my chair.

2:33:26AJ Hawk:I'm hot. Let's go.

2:33:29Pat McAfee:What's going on over here, boys? Yeah, it looks like this is wrong.

2:33:34Nick Saban:Oh, jeez. Oh, no. Bruce here. Get Bruce running. He's running. Where is it? What kind of – oh, Mitt.

2:33:40Drew Allar:Mitt got it. Mitt got it. Attaboy, Mitt. Thank you, Mitt. Showcase that ball. You could have keep that one, too. Showcase that ball.

2:33:48Pat McAfee:There's a reason why we chose that one. And this one's for the Ryder Cup, okay? That one obviously has got the stars across Wilson. And in your hand, a great American hand, is the fate of our USA team at the Ryder Cup. You put that ball in that hoop, USA's winning. No pressure. Europe will hold this over our heads for the next two years.

2:34:06Nick Saban:Come on, Hawker. I might go. Oh! I don't think I've ever taken that shot. I thought it was short. Yeah, he was wrong. It was funny, did it? Yeah. Perfect.

2:34:17Pat McAfee:That's it. All right, injuries. We need to do international ball for injuries now. International ball.

2:34:22Nick Saban:International ball, yeah. Here we go.

2:34:24Pat McAfee:It's for injuries in all sports.

2:34:26Nick Saban:Okay.

2:34:27Pat McAfee:For the rest of the season. All the seasons. No more injuries. Oh!

2:34:34Nick Saban:I knew that one was good when I left my hand. Yes, Tom! Yes!

2:34:37Pat McAfee:AJ!

2:34:38Nick Saban:Yes! We knew that was good. I want to call it, though. Yeah.

2:34:41Pat McAfee:Thank you for that. That was amazing. No injuries. No injuries at all.

2:34:45Nick Saban:Sunday, no injuries? Nope. Ever. Rest of the year. Today, tomorrow. tomorrow that's i'm so glad i made that i'm very happy i made that yeah me too that was a lot of

2:34:53Pat McAfee:now the usa one obviously we'll let we'll let golf gods figure that one out but the universe figured out the injuries right here because of you aj thank you for traveling to indy thank you for

2:35:02Nick Saban:making that shot you're the absolute man pal thank you guys this is awesome hey i think the rider

2:35:06Drew Allar:cup we have can we get a quick tone what are we are we up two matches what are we doing we are up in two matches one match is all square and we are down in one match the afternoon guys are much the The guys that played in this morning and sat out this afternoon, I don't think they should play again. We're not going to see them. I like that.

2:35:23Pat McAfee:Okay. I'm okay with that. Yeah. I'm okay. I mean, we should get DeChambeau out there strictly for Chambly or whatever the hell his name is. Chambly. Yeah. Chambers. Brando. Chambly.

2:35:33Drew Allar:Bison's out there. He's playing both morning and afternoon.

2:35:36Pat McAfee:That's what we're talking about. We need a little pizzazz. Great work this week, boys. Obviously a lot of hard work. We're launching a show next week that we're editing and creating and producing that's a really good show. Behind the scenes, there's been a lot of work done by Bill, by Talk, by Dirty, by Foxy. And I think the world's going to really enjoy it. There's been a lot happening at the Thunderdome behind the scenes. And this week was a huge one. So, boys, great work over there. I really appreciate you guys.

2:36:00Nick Saban:You too. Good luck. Good luck tomorrow. Yeah, have fun, man.

2:36:03Pat McAfee:I appreciate you. It's going to be an incredible weekend. We'll be back for Overreaction Monday. You all are the greatest people on earth. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice might change your life. Gumpy, you want to head over here, pal? Yeah, Gumpy's going to come join us. I kind of got the Gumpy thing that Drew Aller had on me, you know?

2:36:16AJ Hawk:Oh, sure.

2:36:18Pat McAfee:Oh,

2:36:21James Franklin:no.

2:36:22Pat McAfee:Gump, anything to say to the boys, Gump? No.

2:36:26James Franklin:Great week, boys. Good time.

2:36:28Pat McAfee:It was. Team on me. Hold on. Let me zoom out that one. Let me zoom out a little bit. What's this one? Nope, that's the wrong one. Go this way. Go this way. Go this way.

2:36:40James Franklin:There it is.

2:36:42Pat McAfee:Team on me. Team on three. Have the greatest weekends of your life. I hope everybody does that. You ready, Gums? Yep. I need it to be loud in here, Gums. Oh, yeah. Back there, too, Thunderdome. Uh-huh. This is a great weekend of ball. This is a great weekend of sports. This is a great weekend to be alive. It's been a great week, and next week's going to be the best week we've ever had. Team on three. Safe travels back to Ohio, AJ. One, two, three, team! Goodbye!

2:37:09Drew Allar:It's a season two playoff race with TGL, presented by SoFi, Sunday at 9 p.m. Eastern, Jupiter Lynx versus Boston Common Golf. Monday at 7 p.m. Eastern, Los Angeles Golf Club versus New York Golf Club. Tuesday at 9 p.m. Eastern, the Bay Golf Club versus Jupiter Lynx. Keep up, it's golf. Watch on ESPN, ESPN2, and the ESPN app.

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