PMS 2.0 1418 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 4 Recap

14:27Pat McAfee:Then the Eagles actually do a slow safety to end this game. So the game is actually two points closer than it actually was. And then whenever you talk about Colts and the Rams, Matthew Stafford is. Yeah, man. Spitting it. Outrageous. Pretty good. He is absolutely outrageous. And Danny Dimes, still a dog as well. But Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams end up getting the win, even though the Colts literally and figuratively shot themselves in the foot with a football that was in their hand as they were about to score a touchdown. A.D. Mitchell, obviously, you've seen this. Last year he threw a pick six where he actually wondered if the guy that did it was Ed Reed because he seemingly came out of nowhere on a throwback play.

15:08Pat McAfee:Then on this play, insane catch, wild yards after catch. He's pulling away in insanely athletic fashion. And then the ball just slips out of his hands as you get a little excited to go ahead and put that thing. Incredible play. One of the best plays. And then that sound effect is the end of the first 15 minutes. But it could have also been on this case where he's running so fast the ball slips out, can't happen. But then he compounds it just a couple minutes later, gets a holding call, throws a guy down the ground. Jonathan Taylor obviously going to take this to the house. Insane run by Jonathan Taylor.

15:40Pat McAfee:Yet again, having one of his best years he's ever had as a football player, Jonathan Taylor. Yep, let's go ahead and take that back. That's in the fourth quarter with two minutes and 16 seconds. Yeah, so, I mean, he was trying to block, though, which I appreciate. A.D. Mitchell was trying to block. A.D. Mitchell also made an insane catch, insane play, almost finishes that thing. And then, geez, Jonathan Taylor did this last year, almost did it a couple weeks ago. Now we got this again. We need to clean that up, D.B. Got to clean it up. But on that note, A.D. Mitchell is talented. We don't need to be – everybody's saying you need to cut him.

16:09Pat McAfee:No. Maybe we just get him off the field if he can get near the end zone. Or maybe we don't have him throw again. Maybe he slides down before the end zone. Yeah, but we need – exactly. Hey, you need to not even go anywhere near that goal line. And also, let's not even have him block. Fuck it. Just have him only on pass plays. And let's not have him throw the ball ever again on the field. But it's certainly been an interesting first couple years for A.D. Mitchell. And he's going to be a piece that we're going to need. But that can't happen, especially against the Rams. They get a good win, but we should have won that game and we should still be undefeated.

16:38Darius Butler:Yeah, you've mentioned it. Shot ourselves in the foot. but that's pretty much the A.D. Mitchell experience so far right there in a nutshell. That play, phenomenal, phenomenal talent, but it's just the little things, and hopefully he learns from this. You know how you've been in these moments where you do something, maybe bonehead or you just make a bad play, and it's like the weight of the world is on your shoulder. You saw him after this play, kind of outside the huddle, just pacing around. It was tough then to get the block to compound that, but we still had a chance to at least put this game in overtime late, so it never comes down to just one player.

17:07Darius Butler:We had 10 people on the field when we gave up the big deep ball to Tutu Atwell. So it's always a team effort in winning and losing, but it's going to be a tough week until 10 can get back on the field and hopefully make up for that. But you cannot have 10 players on the field in a situation like this. Got to have a situation, two-minute situation. Matt Stafford, he found him. He made him pay, and the guy that was on him, he tripped and fell, which happens. But Stafford's playing unbelievable football. Puka Nakua might be the best wide receiver in football right now. and just a total team effort.

17:36Darius Butler:You mentioned good teams playing. These are four teams right now that kind of can be in it at the end, and I expect these guys to make all deep playoff runs in both of these games.

17:45Pat McAfee:The Buccaneers are going to have to start hotter. Yeah. Yeah, they're going to have to start better. They're going to get healthier, though, too. I agree, but also at their very best what they are, unstoppable. Totally good. Like whenever they need it, they've seemingly got it, except for this fourth down. And the Eagles special teams has been an absolute nightmare for the brand. Obviously, we remember two blocked field goals. Now we've got a blocked punt right up the gut. Riley Dixon there almost eats one. I mean, that could have been even worse. Philadelphia Eagles humming on all sides of the ball, except for getting the ball to one guy.

18:15Darius Butler:Yeah. AJ Brown. Really, AJ Brown.

18:18Pat McAfee:They're undefeated. Their red zone right now is 11 for 11, I think. Like Hembo sent me a stat. They are 100%, I think, in the red zone. Their offensive efficiency is like the greatest of all time. And one of the highest paid guys they got at wide receiver, He's like, listen, hey, if you're not welcomed, don't listen to. Just quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Don't post. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way. So is that what his mindset was a couple weeks ago? Didn't he have 100? He had 106 in a tud last week. I believe eight catches as well. Okay, so I appreciate the fact that he said, hey, I could be louder about this, but I live by this mantra.

18:54Pat McAfee:I just want you to know. Which isn't loud in the. That this is how I live by. So I'm just trying to let you guys know who I am. But this is kind of loud. Don't you think? Well. But you don't. Just a. I'm not saying. I'm saying not be loud, though. I'm saying be quietly. This is going to be something that Sirianni's going to have to juggle. Yeah. Or are they going to.

19:14Darius Butler:Sirianni loves him. He would never. Him and Devonta combined for four catches. I don't know if. I saw this. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if they completed a pass in the second half. I saw that stat too. 0 for 8.

19:23Pat McAfee:I don't know. I don't know. I didn't. We should check those stats and see if they're real. But nonetheless, I don't think it matters. Yeah. Okay. And that's the. that's probably what Sirianni and everybody says. So whenever you talk about A.J. Brown, potentially, does he want to cause a little bit of shit to either get the ball or...

19:38Darius Butler:I don't know.

19:40Pat McAfee:We have no idea, but we know that the Eagles are winning games and they always seemingly do. Let's go to number two. Speaking of winning games, congrats to the New York Football Giants. Yeah! MetLife Boxy, the day bowling dart story. Obviously, we see a small sample size, but we love everything about it. And know that this particular sample size ends with Jackson Dart's forehead clearly pressed on the Dayball's forehead, saying, are you my dad? And him saying, are you my son? Great knee bend there. Good fluidity there to be able to do that. There's Dayball and Jackson say, hey, you're my son. He's my dad.

20:13Pat McAfee:Whenever you think about two guys with moxie, I think, and seeing if they can get along, Jackson and Dayball feel like a good partnership. Just from what we've learned about Dayball. Sought off cigar in hand. You know, some other things about willing to do whatever. Intense. And then Jackson Dart comes in there. All the swagger and moxie in the world. Let alone you got Scadaboo gassing it all up. You got Scadaboo gassing everything up. Love everything about it. 44 and 6 are a problem. Okay, you times what those two add to. That's what you got with this crew. That's a hundo, pal. This group is obviously young, hungry, in the middle of a transition potentially.

20:49Pat McAfee:And people are saying that Dart saved Dayball's job. Yeah. We talked about that, though. We said the whole plan here is if Daybo and Dart show promise, that's probably their pitch tomorrow not to get fired.

21:01Darius Butler:And yesterday I have on good authority, it was the entire ownership group in the building, like not just the Maris, but everybody collectively was there. So, yeah, it could have been a big decision made. Maybe it was because it was Jackson's, Dart's, the new era beginning. But, yeah, you saw the excitement from Coach Daybo after the game, and that looked like, hey, boy, you might have just saved my job. Gave you some more runway. But I love what I saw from the young kid. Obviously, you're going to have to build on it and continue to get better because once you put anything on film, these defenses will continue to prepare and try to take away the things you do well.

21:35Darius Butler:But you love to see this from your rookies. Him playing well, Scattaboo playing well, Abdul Carter coming along. You got some youth in the building. And you just want to sow some promise. You want to compete as this year goes on, and then maybe you stick with Dayball and Sean in the front office.

21:49Pat McAfee:Yeah, good luck to all of them. And we're appreciative of the Moxie for sure, especially in the big city, you know, especially in the big city. Chargers?

21:57Darius Butler:Not worried about them.

21:59Pat McAfee:Okay. 9 a.m. kick, just like a 10 a.m. kick, whatever. Yeah, just like U.S. Yeah, Illinois, U.S. Okay. I think we should think about that.

22:07Darius Butler:Maybe. You worried about them?

22:10Pat McAfee:I'm not, but, man, anytime you've got a rookie. Well, now that we know Kate Morrow is in the owner's box. I mean, we can't really fault anybody. Also, Rooney Morrow is there, too, probably. Who's the famous actress? Is that the lady from Seinfeld? Is she related to that family?

22:28Darius Butler:Julia Louis-Dreyfus?

22:29Pat McAfee:Is she related to the New York Giants family? I don't think so.

22:32Darius Butler:She could be, though.

22:33Pat McAfee:Is that what you're talking about? Are you talking about that? Who are you saying whenever you say whole family?

22:38Darius Butler:I'm not even just saying family. I'm saying because there are other people that are in the world. Oh, minority owners. These are Mars friends. Eli. Eli. All hands on deck. Mars friends. Cake boss. This team sucks. Hey, why don't we shoot? Cake boss. Emerald Gossie.

22:52Pat McAfee:All right, and the number one story is the Chiefs are still the Chiefs. Congrats to them. Of course. Congrats to them. Of course, I give up on them and stop picking them when this happens. Their biggest game that they've had in a long time. I forget how many years. How big of a day was that for Patrick Mahomes?

23:05Darius Butler:First time he's had four passing touchdowns in the game since October 2023.

23:09Pat McAfee:Okay, so it's been a while. Xavier Worthy, obviously a huge piece to the puzzle. Patrick Mahomes is still that guy, always will be that guy. Juju Smith-Schuster has also been flashing a lot. I like their celebration, how they pass it around as well, with old Uncle Travis Kelsey getting in there. Pacheco goes crazy. Patrick Mahomes is the youngest to 250. Yeah, 250 passing touchdowns. Youngest in the history of the game to 250 passing touchdowns. He just turned 30 just a couple weeks ago, and he's already in the GOAT discussion. Obviously, he's special. We all have to remember that, including myself, whenever I decide to pick another team.

23:41Pat McAfee:That other team, the Baltimore Ravens, defensively, man, I don't know what the hell's going on over there. Zio and the boys are going to have to figure it out on defense side, including, shh, what's going on? They had bad defense first 10 weeks of the year last year. Then they were able to figure it out. That feels weird. It takes that long to figure out a defense, maybe change defense. But nonetheless, they weren't able to stop Patrick Mahomes. On the offensive side of the ball, Lamar Jackson exited the game down 17 in the third quarter because he had an injured hamstring. I will say, I was listening to Red Zone Channel.

24:09Pat McAfee:We're still all watching it, right? Yep. Oh, yeah. And Scott Hanson basically said, Lamar Jackson with no medical officials around him, 17 points, third quarter. I don't know what's going on there. Then he followed up like two minutes later and was like, we're getting reports from the local CBS that he has a hamstring strain, which is why he was not in there. So Lamar Jackson led way to Cooper Cush to get in there and do his thing. What are the Ravens right now? We shall see. Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter.

24:39Darius Butler:Yay, Schefter!

24:40Pat McAfee:Schefter, sorry we made you wait there. The first 15 obviously drawing out longer and longer every single week. We will certainly respect your time. Sorry we did not.

24:48Darius Butler:Not the first 15. It's the first 50. You've got to change to the first 50 now, Pat.

24:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, but that's not football. Football does first 15. Yeah, it's my word. It's the first 15. On that note, in the first 15 of any play would be, let's see what's up with Lamar Jackson. What have you heard? Because that was kind of an interesting rollout for those of us that didn't have sound on the game, but we were maybe listening somewhere else. He had a hamstring strain is how it was being reported, but he didn't look like he was in a lot of pain on the sideline. He's tough as hell. We understand that. What is the story out of Baltimore, and what are your thoughts?

25:19Darius Butler:Well, hamstrings are something they evaluate during the week, and here's the issue for Lamar Jackson. If he is able to play right now, and I don't know that they know if he's able to do that right now, certainly he'll be compromised. One of the strengths of his game, one of his superpowers, is his ability to run around, make things happen, be elusive. And if he's got a balky hamstring, that's an issue for this upcoming week. They play the Houston Texans, who have some ferocious pass-rushing defensive ends. They're noted for their defense. They shut out the Titans yesterday, which Cam Ward didn't particularly like and enjoy.

25:53Darius Butler:But nevertheless, it's a tough Houston defense. So this is the kind of thing where I don't know if Lamar could have gone back in the game yesterday if it were close, but it wasn't. They left him out, and we'll have an idea as this week unfolds. But hamstrings certainly are never fun to have, particularly for somebody like Lamar Jackson.

26:11Pat McAfee:D, but I'll ask you this. If he has a hurt hamstring, he has the number one passer rating, I think, in the history of the NFL with his arm. If he has a hurt hamstring, will there be less people in the box so there's more people in coverage? Or how does that kind of affect what defenses will do with him if he has a strained hamstring?

26:26Darius Butler:No, what you've been seeing defenses do now is kind of have that spy and just be more disciplined in their rush lanes. And if eight is on the field, you expect him to be eight. You know what I mean? You still don't expect him to be a statue in the pocket. So I feel like you still have to call it that way. because if Lamar is playing, I feel like Lamar is playing. He's going to be healthy.

26:42Pat McAfee:Okay, let's go to the New York Giants. Obviously, we did some research. I assume you have as well. Hembo sent us over a bunch of stats, and we've been scouring the Internet. MetLife Stadium has obviously been home to a lot of injuries over there. Malik Nabors, who's obviously electrifying, and Giants fans were putting him in the top pantheon of wide receivers in the NFL already, and he's just a couple years in. Obviously, from wide receiver U down there at LSU, an absolute beast on the field. Terrence's ACL is what the fear is yesterday on MetLife. And then you go through the history of MetLife.

27:15Pat McAfee:I think they changed their turf in the last couple years. I forget. They went from one particular brand of turf to another brand of turf. That turf was supposed to be more like grass because they understood that they had a little bit more injuries and issues than literally everywhere else. Now, this is still happening. So, Shefty, what is the conversation about the MetLife turf? Because anytime this happens, obviously turf versus grass conversations come up. We heard Josh Allen literally two weeks ago with us talk about the new Buffalo Bills stadium. And he said, we got grass. That was a big deal for him.

27:45Pat McAfee:It's a big deal for players. Will this neighbor's injury spur anything? And what are you hearing out of the New York Giants facility?

27:52Darius Butler:Well, they did redo the field in March of 23. And so it was, what, two and a half years ago that they put in a new field turf field at that point in time. You see the list of players there that have gone down. I'm sure there are a lot of players that have gone down in every stadium. It just feels like that stadium. I don't know. It does feel like we get more. And I'm with Josh Allen. I think everybody's with Josh Allen. You saw the tweet yesterday. I think it was from Odell Beckham Jr. Other players feel the same. Look, it's pretty simple. There's the tweet. Dear NFL, I mean this with the utmost love and respect.

28:29Darius Butler:Take the precautions that roll with everything else when it comes to players' health and safety. Please, please, please get rid of the turf. thank you in advance. I think he speaks for a lot of people. It shouldn't be that hard to put in grass. How much of neighbor's injury is because of the shirt? Who knows? I don't know how to answer that. Other than there seem to be a high number of injuries on that MetLife field that force them to change the turf. They change it and Aaron Rodgers goes down and tears his Achilles in the first game right after that happens. Is that the turf? I don't know. I don't know what to say about it, Pat.

29:08Darius Butler:I'd be curious to know if a doctor has any concerns, but the number of players, it's too long to ignore. It's too long to ignore.

29:16Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, Shefty, that's the thing. There'll be a doctor that comes out and says that this turf is definitely problematic. It's not just the turf. It's the cement that's underneath of it, and there's really no room to give for any of your joints and what bodies are supposed to do. Now, it's not every joint. It's not every ligament, but some bodies, the way they are built, obviously going to have this reaction on this particular turf. Then you have some other doctor come out and say, we've done the research. There's actually different parts of the turf during different parts of the season. And it's like some turf is actually better than grass.

29:43Pat McAfee:So now, how do you add that in? I think just every player that's ever spoke has said, we'd like grass. And then we see what Arizona's able to do. And now with Buffalo's getting grass up there and keeping grass up there, it's like there should be no excuse with the technology. And then on the MetLife conversation, they're hosting a World Cup. with grass. Yeah, but that grass is just kind of stapled on top of the... So, like J.J. Watt, who's a soccer owner of two teams, says, hey, some of the grass that they just put on top of this turf, not good either. That is not what any of us want. So, I don't know what the right answer is.

30:17Pat McAfee:Seems like everybody likes grass. Hopefully they'll be able to do that. Let's go to another team that had a massive injury, and maybe you have an update. Go ahead, Ty.

30:24Darius Butler:Yeah, Shefty, any word on what's going on with Joe Ault? Obviously, the Chargers, that was tough yesterday, but their O-line is so beat up. And at this point, you know, like how big of a cause of concern is that for them going forward? Well, he went down, and I'm just opening up a text that I got about it yesterday. But basically, he wanted to go back in, and they told him no. He didn't want to accept that, you know, a high ankle spring usually limits you and prevents you from playing for a couple of weeks. But he's going to get a second opinion today. They'll look at it again. High ankle sprain for offensive tackle is not easy.

31:00Darius Butler:Look, here's the deal. High ankle sprain. If you're the Chargers and you see Joe Alt carted off yesterday, you feel fortunate that he has a high ankle sprain. You don't want any of your players to get up. But when he goes down, you don't know whether it's a knee, whether it's a broken ankle, a dislocation. It can be anything that ends the season. They've already lost Rashawn Slater in training camp to a torn patello tendon. So they lose their starting left tackle. They move Alt over to left tackle. He goes out of the game. Now you're down your two best tackles, one of whom is the highest paid offensive tackle in the National Football League, in Rashawn Slater, even though he's now playing another who has a chance to be the highest paid one day.

31:38Darius Butler:It might just be as good as any left tackle in the game today in Joel. So that is brutal if they're without him. And Herbert paid the price for it yesterday. They struggled to protect him. He got hit an awful lot. it's going to be hard to win consistently without Joel, but it doesn't sound like he's going to miss a lot of time

31:59Pat McAfee:Brian Burns with the incredible Spider-Man's and the NIST at the end is an incredible display of flexibility what is his dims? Do we hear what his dims are? 6 '5", 240 240, 250 is what I remember he's way too big to be able to move that smooth down into that that is unbelievable, but on that note that giant's D-line Not a good time to be down offensive lineman. Sexy Dexie almost cribbed that thing. I mean, that was unbelievable. I can't believe he got tackled with the two-yard. I felt so bummed out for him. You know, these big guys, these massive guys, especially Hall of Fame type guys, having a touchdown.

32:35Pat McAfee:Instead, you're down at the three. Thought Herbert liked football. Yeah, kind of ruined it, didn't they? Should have let him have that. Should have let him have that. Good tackle. But Dexie moving like that, dart and day ball on the offensive side. Do the Giants have a little bit of hope? Bruce, do we have hope right now? Oh, you're muted. Oh, yeah.

32:52Darius Butler:We are all the way back. Competitive football is back in the Giants world. Shades of Mahomes. Shades of Josh Allen. Shades of Ken Stabler from the young Jackson Dart. I'm fired up. What about Scott Abou?

33:04Pat McAfee:What do you think about Scott Abou? He's like an all-star at meets.

33:06Darius Butler:Yeah, he's absolutely unbelievable. The duo of them. Him lead blocking for Dart on the QBI. So it's just a thing of beauty.

33:14Pat McAfee:Look at the future of the Giants, Chef. He looked like you had something to say about the future over there. Listen. Listen, Cam Scatterboil looks like John Riggins.

33:23Darius Butler:You got Jackson Darter. He's put some juice, although he's taken way too many hits yesterday. But here's the issue, and I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but when you go out and lose Malik Navers, you're talking about a transcendent talent. He is as good as anybody in the game at what he does. And there's no way that you could lose a guy like that and not have it impact your team for the final 13 games of the season. It's just brutal to see that happen the way it did. And I hope he's okay. He gets some time to rest now. He'll need surgery on that ACL. But, you know, Jackson Dart was great.

34:03Darius Butler:Cam Scadaboo's been great. But they just lost this guy. You know, it reminds me of when the Jets beat the Bills on opening day in the game in which Aaron Rodgers tore his Achilles. And all the Jet fans are all excited. They won the game. Xavier Gibson returns the punt in overtime for the game-winning score. You win the battle, you lose the war. The Giants lost the war yesterday. They lost this guy. Whoa!

34:28Pat McAfee:They just started, I think, in the Jackson Dart era. On that note, Malik, we do. T's and P's. The game's going to miss them, especially if we're going to have more eyes on these Giants games than we have in the last year and a half. I understand New York, a lot of people watching them. Out here? No. I ain't never watching them. Nope. I ain't never seen them. So everybody tells me about Malik Nabors, how great he is. and I assume that he is, and yes, I've seen his highlights, but I haven't watched a full Giants game in a long time. With that being said, Jackson Dart and Dayball getting after Scadaboo.

34:57Pat McAfee:We got Burns doing Spider-Man gif out there. I hope Malik Nabors comes back sooner than ever before, but I think we shouldn't just give up hope on this team immediately because they'll pound that rock, it feels like. Will Dayball remain committed to Scadaboo and Jackson Dart iso powers 40, 50 times? We shall see.