PMS 2.0 1423 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 5 Recap

0:28And I know you paid attention to what happened yesterday. with a go-ahead score in the final minute of regulation, the most through five weeks of a season since the 1970 merger. Fitz, Harvard guy, how many years has it been since 1970? 55 years. Wow. That's a long time. That's a lot of ball. That's a lot of ball. There have been 10 game-winning field goals with no time left in regulation, the most in the first five weeks since the 1970 merger. Hey, Fitz, Harvard guy, how many years is that? I didn't see the stats. Since 1970. Since 1970. Oh, yeah. Number two, baby. We got comeback chaos, and yesterday certainly contributed to that.

1:09Six of them happened across the board. 18-point deficit, 17-point deficit, 14-point deficit, 11, 10. And then, obviously, Minnesota kicked off the entire day over there in London town with a magical comeback. Any of these games, Fitz, in your eyes, really steal the show. I saw a tweet that you put out, And you said that the Cardinals just lost in the worst possible way of all time or something like that. I mean, I'm an Arizona guy, so I've been a Cardinals fan for a while. They're getting ready to go up 28-6. And Di Mercado, we did it again. We did the drop the ball at the one-yard line. Why do we need to flip it?

1:43And it happened to Indy last week. So you think that every team is showing the Indy clip and saying, we don't do this, we run through the goal line. He flips it. Was it really a fumble? Was it not? I don't know, but I'm sure I'm glad they called it. I sure am glad they called it. It feels like it was potentially a touchdown because he's flipping that thing. And if it's in the fingertips, it doesn't matter. It's still in his possession. Is the tip of the ball breaking the line? And why don't we have a camera down the line exactly? On that note to what Fitz said, I think everybody around football and in football said, who cares?

2:16Shouldn't even be that close. If you're going to drop the ball before getting in the end zone, one week after A.D. Mitchell did it, you don't deserve to score a touchdown right there. Now, he obviously took his lickings. Coach Gannon on the sideline. We certainly had his hat sideways. He even hit him in the chest at one point. Like, can't have it. And then the football gods blessed the Titans with their first win. Cam Ward's first win. Callahan's first win. I think we should be celebrating that, D-Bot. Absolutely. Big-time drive by Cam Ward at the end of the game to get it done. Threw an absolute dot to Calvin Ridley.

2:46This play was unbelievable. Like, this was ridiculous. Some shit you absolutely now see on the NFL football field. But, yeah, to see Cam Ward come down after last week, coming out what he said, he's pissed off, pretty much dropped a quarter of the season already, and for him to throw this dot to his big-time receiver and then put his team in a position to win the game. Big-time moment for his team and for this young quarterback. Good for football yesterday, a comeback. Hey, good for Red Zone channel. We're all still watching. That's my team. Three of my teams are on that list. Yeah, in a good way.

3:16No. Oh, no. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Just getting kicked down out there. But I will say, Scott Hanson did a great job on that thing. Always. And it was a good juggle because a lot of those games were absolute shite. Obviously, you have 18-point comeback, 17-point comeback, 14-point comeback. That late in the game. You think to yourself, this slate of games is kind of shit here. Just like we said it was. We thought this was a bad slate. Turns out it was blowouts across the board. And then all of a sudden, we had magic there in the witch and the golden eye in the witching hour out there.

3:51And it's beautiful. The NFL certainly needs that. Let's go to number four headline out of the week. Jackson Bangles. Woof. Complete ass football teams. Former Jet, former Bangles. So, we'll go straight to the Amazon boys here. I'm watching the same shit you are. We'll start with you, Whit. The Bangles, I mean, score says it's a little bit closer, okay, because Jamar Chase did his thing. He walked in backwards, actually, at one point yesterday, scoring a touchdown. He's still his thing. Going into the season, though, we thought to ourselves, is that the right way to build a team in winning the Super Bowl with the way they're spending the money?

4:28Then the star quarterback gets hurt with the way you're building that team. They've looked like ass. Are they complete ass or just somewhat ass? Witt, speaking for the Cincinnati Bengals team. I'm going to go somewhat ass just because they don't have Joe Burrow. That's fair. But I will say this. You could go watch the last three plays of the game against the Cleveland Browns in four-minute offense where they're trying to secure the game. Those three snaps are maybe the worst three snaps I've ever seen of physical football from an offensive line of trying to win out a game. The entire offensive line is moving backwards, those three snaps, and the running back's getting hit as he's taking handoffs.

5:00That told me that if we don't have Joe Burrow and we've got to rely on running the football, we've got a lot of freaking issues. And I think that's what you see. Is this all on Jake Browning to do something? And I don't think Jake Browning's built for that. Ty Schmidt, Detroit Lions, worst team possible to have to play against in the situation that the Bengals were in, especially Gary Owen. Yeah. Oh, gee, ruler of the jungle. We told him on Friday, hey, this is a bad one for you to be ruling the jungle, we thought. Kind of an expected outcome here with the Lions thrashing the Bengals. Yeah, without a doubt, I think you actually have to give the Lions credit because if they would have wanted to, they could have won 50-0, 65-0, could have beat them by 100.

5:34It's just tough. I mean, we talked about this last week. This should serve as the final warning. Get the Bengals off Thanksgiving. We can't do this. We beat them off Thanksgiving. We can't do this. Remind them. Remind them. Is that you guys? Yeah. Can't do it. Is that you guys? No. No, not us. Okay. Run up the ladder. Get them off Thanksgiving. If it was, then we would pass this cross on to you to bear, okay? Tom Belisero, three games without Joe Burrow. The Bengals have now been outscored 104-16. What are we doing? They started having more, though, at the end of that game. I mean, there was a lot of piling on this particular Bengals team.

6:07And we'd like to let the Who Day Nation know that, like, you guys are okay, man. You guys spent the money in the right spots. That's right. These are things you can recover from. What are you laughing, these guys? What are you talking about, dude? You know, I would like to see them spend it in the offensive line room. That's where I think they should spend a little more money. Hey, they have tried, though. We had a graphic last week about them drafting and spending money, and it just for some reason— They've been terrible at it. That's the problem. So that is the thing. You get the wrong guys, wrong group.

6:32What is it? It's since 2011 that they've drafted an offensive lineman, and he's signed a second contract. I want you to think about that. 14 years since they've drafted an O-lineman, and he's actually signed a second contract. Is it scheme, building, evaluation? I think it's evaluation. If you look at it, I'm going to throw myself in the mix. 2011, since they drafted a guy and he re-signed a contract, and they've let Kevin Zeitler and myself walk in free agency. So if you can't draft an offensive lineman, and then you've let guys leave who continue to go elsewhere and win, you clearly have an evaluation problem of the priority of the position.

7:02You struck a nerve right there, Pat. I mean, I'm just saying. Hey, journalism. Good journalism. That's real journalism. Well done, Pat. That's a good job. Thank you. I'm excited to do that. And then let's go to the other team that people were saying. That's the whole caboose, brother. That's the whole thing. Obviously, the Dallas Cowboys have a big-time day, and we're certainly happy for Dak without a lot of guys playing, which D-butt's going to hit here in a few moments, I think, having a huge win. But on the flip side, the tweet was floating around yesterday and the stat was floating around because obviously it's a big one.

7:32This Jets team under Aaron Glenn has no turnovers, so he's like defensive mastermind. We got no turnovers here. We got dogs all across the board on the defensive side. And then obviously offensively, I think it was very impressive what Justin Fields was able to do with that football off that guy's face. Yeah. And I hate that Sky Camp. We watched that a lot this morning. We'll certainly buy into that a little bit. What a throw. But let's talk about the Detroit Lions with MCDC. What were you guys that first year, Foxy? Started out 0-10. 0-10, and then they get a big-time win. Okay, so like instituting that particular culture obviously took a little bit of time.

8:03I think there was even conversations about this guy's lost the locker room, this guy's not going to be able to do it, and then obviously they find their stride and they go. With the New York Jets, the market, everything like that, Is it going to be possible for Aaron Glenn to have the patience or for people to hold on for them to develop the culture? What are you seeing from them? Yeah, it's a tough place to play. It's a tough place to not win in. They're the only team that hasn't won in the NFL this year. But I think there is some patience and some grace for him this year. They've seen this as a rebuild.

8:28I mean, if you go back to the first game, they took the Steelers down to the wire. Then we've got him doing this deal against the Bucs. I mean, how quickly we forget with under two minutes left, they were beating the Tampa Bay Buccaneers two weeks ago. So I think this team, they're going to challenge teams this year. Obviously, they're not going to go to the playoffs, but this is a huge culture-setting year for Aaron Glenn, and he's got to get it going. So Connor, actually, big believer. And I don't know if he's doing that to reverse jinx, but you actually are a believer even after what we saw yesterday.

8:56Yeah, four shoots a believer, especially when you look at the players from the Lions that got much, much better in his defense. I just don't understand what's going on with Sauce Gardner. That's my question to D-Butt. But Sauce Gardner, his rookie year, is all pro, all world, unbelievable. And it's just been like this weird kind of – I'm not going to say fall off because he's still a great player. But when – what is it, DJ Reader? DJ Reader. Yep, DJ Reader. He goes to Detroit in the offseason. And now, you know, Sauce Gardner doesn't have a counterpart on the other side that can cover a guy, you know, without question.

9:27And he's kind of getting abused in five straight games. The fact that they have no turnovers, like, dude, grab an interception. And I'm not saying it's easy. That's me simplifying it. That's why you're soft. As a fat idiot, yes. But I'm saying, like, hey, dude, like, somebody's got to make a play, right? You're the one that's getting paid$120 million. It's got to be you. Yeah, for sure. And that's never really been his game since coming into the NFL. He's just kind of been one of those lockdown corners, a bunch of back downs. That's one of the things you look at and start, like, hey, I want some more ball production.

9:56But through five games, I mean, you would think something would accidentally happen. Yes. A ball, a line of scrimmage, a tip, a overthrow, something at this point. So it's just tough. Some of it's some self-inflicted negatives, as Chuck Pagano would call the sins. A lot of penalties, a lot of sloppy football. Justin Fields has kind of looked good, which is weird. They got a lot of things to figure out. I just hope they do have some patience to give Aaron Glenn that time because we know we are not in the environment where you're giving coaches a long leash at this point. Well, and the other thing, too, is we talk about how many offensive linemen went in the first round this year.

10:28Will Campbell, as a Patriots fan, I'll say he's doing the best. LSU, baby. Bingo, bingo. Oh, yeah, but he's got short arms. From Monroe, Louisiana, baby. From Monroe, Louisiana, 3-1-8, baby. Is that where you're from as well? We are. So you guys have small arms there, or what is the thing? There's no small arms here. But, no, we have different problems. Different problems. But he's a hell of a football player, and he's going to be – I called him to Taylor LeJuan of Vrabel in Tennessee. That was his tone setter. That's who Will Campbell's going to be for this team. Why'd they make such a big deal out of the arm length?

10:54Is that a thing? I think it is a thing in the sense of you need – I always call it your fallback. When you think of playing DB, you play offensive tackle, what is it that I'm going to have moments where I get out of control or I've got to be able to survive a down? What is it that I fall back on? Is it my arm length? Do I have my feet? Do I have great feet? Do I have really great anchor? What are those things? So one of those for an offensive lineman, you've got to think about pushing guys around the edge, is your ability to extend and get a guy around the depth of the quarterback. So length goes into that a bunch.

11:21And so that's really what that long arms comes from. And then you get long-arm bull rushes, stuff like that. You need length. And so I think for Will, he has tremendous feet, a great anchor, and he's a powerful kid. he can make up for not having the longer arm. Got it. So it's like a long snapper in my world. You either got to be like perfect snapper and blocker or you got to be a really good cover guy. There you go. He's got to be one of the – Zach the Aussie. I need a trait. What's my trait? It's the Aussie. Oh! Absolutely. But his snaps, I think he would even say, like, compared to other guys.

11:49He was a tackler. Bingo. He is a coverage guy. He's a weapon going down the field. For me, okay, I'm trying to get hang time. I would like my snapper to be like, hey, just jugs machine. Brett basket every time. Give me a dry end. And you don't even need to cover, but on that note, that's literally how they're judged. You're saying offensive linemen, same exact thing. Back to your point, though, there's a lot of people that were like, Will's not the guy. Yeah, not the guy. Because of literally an inch, I think is what people were saying. But I think most people with a brain knew that wasn't a real thing.

12:16And to your point, I appreciate it. He's the Taylor LeJuan of this variable team. When it comes to comparisons, we don't really do any Titans players in New England because they've sucked forever. He's more of the wit of New England. Yeah, I like that. He got real offended. Have you ever seen Fitz in a Tennessee Titans jersey? We'll talk about it later. But no, just to wrap up the Jets real quick, Armin Membu. Like, it's not as if they drafted bad players. Like, Armin Membu has been arguably the best rookie, you know, offensive lineman. So I don't know what the hell is going on. Their defense shouldn't be this shitty, though.

12:47The other tough part about the Jets is they have to face Drake May twice a year. That's a good point. That's a good point. I agree with you, Fitz. And if we want to really go through it, I wanted to thank you because I personally believe the only reason Drake May is this good is because he spent a month or two with Josh Allen over the summer. And you can say like Vrabel and stuff, and I definitely want to talk about Vrabel. But I don't think it's that simple as McDaniels comes in and does well. I think it's kind of Josh Allen is the one who birthed this beast, if you will, in New England. And I think you're the one that kind of helped birth that beast.

13:20You're the granddaddy! That's just what I think. He's the grandfather. Exactly. He's the father's father. Yeah, Fodder's Fodder. Yeah, May's Fodder's Josh Allen, and May's Fodder's Fodder's Rife is Magic. That's great news. Look what you're doing. He's a great player. Great player. Hey, we'll get to Drake May. Certainly we have to. But we're saying Jets and Bengals kind of complete ass. That's what we're saying? I think Jets less ass. Current ass. Then the Bengals. Really? Yes. I like everything that just happened right there. Let's go to number three, a team that is not ass at all. The last play, boys.

13:57These guys won their last two games literally on their last play. They have four wins on the season, five weeks, all of them comebacks. This team is always in it. Baker Mayfield's mentality has seemingly oozed and radiated through the entire locker room. Now, granted, they've already had a good, you know, pillar of Levante David getting a big-time pick. Shout-out to him because first week he dropped a pick that Vita Vea would have caught right behind him. Vita Vea has been burying him ever since then. We learned that on our show when Coach B.A. actually talked shit to Levante David as well for dropping a pick in week one.

14:25Instead, he makes a diving play. Unbelievable catch here. Out of nowhere, how you doing? Keep it moving. And it's not just Baker. Obviously, this defense gave up some points to Sam Darnold. Yes, this game was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. But was there any of us that didn't think Baker was going to end up? If this was a shootout, Baker Mayfield is going to be the one that's going to come away. And they certainly did, D. But I love this Buccaneers jib, if you will. For sure. It seemed like watching this game, it was whoever had the ball last was going to end up winning. and you create that big turn.

14:55That was probably the only bad play Sam Darnold had. Both of these guys were just spinning. But Baker's game, probably the best game I've seen from a quarterback in a long time. Like he was, you could just tell he was just locked in. Emekie Buka, dominant, continuing his dominant year. Jackson Smith and Jigbo on the other side. Both of those Ohio State boys showed off. But this game was phenomenal for me. Before it even started, honestly, with these jerseys, this might be the all-time best jersey matchup with both of these teams celebrating 50 years. But, yeah, Baker's been dialed in, especially in the biggest moments when his team's been needed the most.

15:26Yeah, and, you know, for me, luckily when I played in Tampa, we didn't do the all-whites like that. That would have been tough. We're good in the all-whites. But Bucky Irving's out, right? Mike Evans is out. And I think the thing that's not being talked about enough, Joshua Grisard's the OC, first-time OC, first-time play caller in the NFL. What Baker's doing with this offense right now and helping Josh also has been fantastic. It's crazy because that was a story like two weeks ago, remember? two weeks or three weeks ago, it was like, he's got no tackles. This guy's got nobody. Brand new OC, and they're just winning.

15:56Now we've just gotten used to it. We're like, yeah, week five. This is what the Bucs do, dude. It's like, it's still so early in the year. How much better can they get, Whit? They can still get a lot better. I mean, look at their starting center. Graham Barton's been playing tackle. Tristan Wirfs just got back a week ago. I mean, you look at it. They've been doing this without their group, and now they're starting to get healthier up front, and Tristan Wirfs and that crew is dominant. So I think they're only going to get more physical and better up front, and I think that means his team's going to be even better.

16:18Will the football gods continue to bless him? You win in games like this, football gods on your side. Is this team at Destiny Field down there in Tampa Bay? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is this the Cleveland Browns kicked this guy out of town? He went and played on a scout team punt team in Carolina. They kicked him out of town. Look at how they are. He goes cross country, obviously, with Los Angeles Rams, puts on a show, becomes the guy in Tampa Bay after Tom Brady. Maybe we deserve to give this guy a little bit of love. Is that what's happening right now? The booted out of the Browns building, team of destiny, Baker Mayfield and the Buccaneers?

16:49I think you could certainly make that case because everyone who wants to poke holes in the Bucs, they just say, well, this isn't sustainable. You can't do this over the course of a season. Four out of five weeks is a pretty good sample size, and I feel like any time after the year when we look at this kind of – like a team always – one year, like they'll be 8-1 in one-score games, and then the next year, you know, water finds its level. Exactly. So, like, as of right now, it's hard to argue. Like, that's just who they're going to be this year. They're going to perform very well in one-score games, and does that give them enough momentum to eventually go on a Super Bowl run?

17:21We'll see. Number two storyline, congratulations to 1972 Dolphins. There we go. That was good, Gops. Yeah. That was good, Gops. Come back. Come back. Come back. You did it, Gops. I'll tell you what, McDaniel. Oh, my gosh, that walk. How was that walk, Pat? That was awesome. Hold on. You got to kick that left shoe more. Yeah, the left shoe. He got his little off-white swaggy. That was my kids. Just flopping around as he's walking. So sad. It's part of comeback chaos, obviously. So sad. Carolina Panthers is not supposed to win this. So sad. Hey, is Xavier Lee yet? Maybe a guy. So sad. Look at his little tag on his left foot.

18:06Drag that thing home, man. He knows. We all know. Yeah. But, hey, fun, Ron. Rico Dado goes for 200. 200? Yeah. Praise God. Hey, fun run. It was a good run. It was a good run. Everything down there was fun. And I think that's where he was. What do you mean it was a good run? You saw it. Glasses off, little thing kicking. He knew. Yeah, he knows. He knows. That little tag flapping around was the last straw. If Steven Ross sees that, he's going to say, get this guy the fuck out of here. He's done right now. How about I sent that video to you guys, and I just said, the little tag. Yeah. It's the saddest part of the whole thing.

18:43It's sad. It's a bummer. Bopping around. And I didn't notice it until halfway through. It's here, too. Bop. Bop. Because the way he walks, there's a lot of pizzazz for that tag to kind of just bop, bop, bop. Man, like we said, though, we all said it in football. If you're winning and all that happens. It's cool. And they love it. It's cool. If you don't win, they don't get it. Oh, let's talk about you down in the Miami Dolphins. That place, whenever you were down there, there was a lot of allegations about what was going on there. Do you think Miami Dolphins can win? Okay, 1972 Dolphins obviously go undefeated.

19:15We are all adult humans who have been in locker rooms. And in Miami. And to the city of Miami. Definitely been in Miami. Is there enough? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We'll get that later. That's exactly what I'm saying. Do you think they can win in Miami? Do you think you can win in Miami? That's tough. There's a lot going on. That's a lot going on in Miami. And it was COVID. One of the years was COVID year when I was there, so there wasn't a lot going on. But there are a lot of distractions down there, and it is an issue. I think so. Like, Gumpy needs to celebrate these 1972 Dolphins, because I think even as the world continues to grow, it's only getting – because Miami's getting more and more popular to certain people.

19:51Larry Zonk ain't coming through that door. It just ain't happening. Dug-o. They need him. Exactly. Celebrate that. And then the number one story in our first 15 that has now ran about 20 minutes or so, Colts go in Super Bowl. Hell yeah. Come on now. Now, this says the Colts are going to the Super Bowl, and I appreciate that, but that's a little humility from the graphic maker. The Colts are going to win the Super Bowl. Okay. Okay, that is the fun. After watching this team live with these eyes, boys. Okay, these eyes right here watching this team live. Last couple years, we've had okay teams. Gardner Minshew almost took us to the playoffs, almost won the AFC South in our stadium, literally right in front of us against Houston Texans Week 16 or whatever it was a couple years ago.

20:34We always believe Shane Steichen. and we always believed that there was a lot of talent on the team. There's one position we just couldn't figure out. I'm surprised you didn't play for us, to be honest. I don't know how that didn't happen with the run that we were on. Danny Dimes with us is awesome. Jonathan Taylor, I think he only rushed for like 66 yards yesterday, three touchdowns. He's the best version of himself for sure in this offense. The offensive line, they're finally speaking the same language as quarterback. Remember, there are some stories. Fitz, I'd like to ask you about this as well.

21:01That's my dad that Pittman just tapped up in front of the suite. Tim, obviously, in there. Matt Ryan, whenever he got here, allegedly him and the offensive line just couldn't. They weren't saying the same. They were speaking different. That's the whole thing. It's hard. That's why we had Matt Ryan come in because we thought he was like a super smart football guy. This is what we need because we've got enough talent everywhere. We just need a quarterback. And then for some reason they couldn't speak the same language. Danny Don has come in here, mastered the offense, understands everything, puts him in the right position, and he's spinning it.