PMS 2.0 1424 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, Jaguars Head Coach Liam Coen, TJ Oshie, Brewers Manager Pat Murphy, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

23:11And we just chipped away at it and made some plays in critical moments.

23:15Pat McAfee:I like to hear that about Trevor, bro. Because he's always been like super chill guy. because i think and you would know him better than me and i'm not a sociologist which i think would be the people that would be doing this study oh okay so d but you can be the one that maybe answers for us here okay i think because he's been so popular for so long he's been forced almost to not act arrogant don't act too confident also don't be too like since he's like eighth grade they've been saying this guy's the guy and i think this has been during the era of cell phones so like i think trevor lawrence throughout his entire high school career college career and he's been basically forced to just have no emotion almost you know so i think people take that as a way maybe he's not as intense or whatever but i think he literally wasn't allowed so just like you're saying us and from a group of people that have been watching him for the last seven eight years because he plays against or however many years he's been five years or whatever because we i like that he's getting i like that that ball throw that like i like that shit and it sounds like you do as well it feels like you're getting maybe the most out of trevor lawrence or freeing Trevor Lawrence?

24:19Pat McAfee:Like, how do you feel like whenever, because this guy has been a star since eighth grade, like how is it dealing with him? And obviously you being a quarterback must help at least a little bit. Yeah. There's truth to the fact that he's been in the, you know, the spotlight for a long time. I don't know if there's many people better with the media than Trevor in terms of the way he speaks to people with such humility and honesty. That's how he speaks to our team and to our players. And that's what makes them a leader. That's why he showed out in a moment like that last night is because he's able to take responsibility for his actions in front of people, in front of the group, in front of coaches.

24:58There's an honesty there that he wants to continue to get better, and we haven't even really gotten there fully. And last night was a huge step in the right direction. I think there's a lot of meat on the bone, and last night was a great moment for Trevor to continue to go forward.

25:13Pat McAfee:He's just so – he's everything you want. tall hair. The hair was almost more perfect last night than ever. It was his birthday. Jawline also shining on the birthday. Obviously, that last play, unbelievable to score a touchdown. Coach B.A. has a question for you. Coach Cohen. Congrats, man. I know how hard it is to get to 4-1 your first year, but I just want to know that Ezra Cleveland can get a game ball because I'm definitely giving him one when he fell down twice and he just pancakes that left end and And opens that hole up for him. And I'm definitely giving Ezra a game ball on that one. Sounds like you're being forced to as well.

25:52Hey, Coach, thank you. I so much respect, B.A. You know, those guys up front have been playing that way. And Ezra has definitely taken that physical mindset. And he's done that a lot this season. You know, look, he's playing hurt. He's playing. They're just playing through toughness and grit. and I really appreciate Ezra. He's definitely going to be up for a game ball.

26:17Pat McAfee:That's what it's. Hey, Ezra, congrats, dude. That boy, Ezra. Congrats, dude. Sounds like you got one. B.A.'s hand out game balls from retirement. I love that. I love that. Start tossing them around building. Maybe it should be B.A.'s game balls. Ooh. Definitely. Segment. B.A.'s ball. Boom. B.A.'s balls. Everybody wants to be a part of B.A.'s balls. Coach, ain't that the truth? That's the truth. Coach, take it easy. Hey, real question here. We were talking about as you were coming on, and I assume you heard a little bit as we were setting up the camera, the Travis Hunter usage. And I think last night was the most a lot of us had seen him play since when he was at Colorado.

26:52Pat McAfee:He's spectacular. I mean, the gloves and the cleats were certainly a part of it. But any time he gets the ball, it's like, holy shit, anything could happen here. And then on defensive side, you guys have enough faith in him to be lining up against GOAT, first ballot Hall of Famer, and Travis Kelsey. There's conversations about will he be able to play full-time on both sides of the ball? How are you going to manage that? It's a lot of, obviously, intel that he has to learn, let alone managing the body and everything like that. And on the offensive side, we see that. We think, there's not a lot of people that could do that.

27:20Pat McAfee:Why are we wasting any time on the defensive side? But then you guys are probably saying, we put him on Travis on third down. There's not a lot of people that could do what he could do on the defensive side. How are you managing it? Where are we? And there's a story going around that you were a part of, actually. Eli said something about maybe he didn't practice offense in college. If you would like to clarify all that type of shit into one convo, we'd like to let you know He's a special talent from our sites. How are you guys handling it all, and what's the plan? Yeah, I mean, it's been a work in progress that each week you're continuing to look at how to improve the schedule, the operation.

27:54I think we're in a good place right now with how he spends his time both on the offense and defense side during the week. And look, he made the most of some unbelievable opportunities last night. And really, it was starting over the last few weeks. We just didn't connect on a few. he's been open a few times or just whatever happened it didn't come to fruition and last night to see him go out uh and make the plays with the ball in his hands um run after catch the energy that he brings really really cool to see and then the defense you know look as much as we can get him out there and get him in positions to be successful we want to keep doing so what's the the tap on this I can't tell you I think it's only getting better and better as we go I'm really excited to see what it's going to look like week in and week out.

28:41It's somebody we've got to continue to get the ball to and get the ball in his hands. Him and BT had great nights last night, made huge plays for us. And then he practiced on defense, excuse me, on offense at Colorado. It was just primarily defense. And then that's when he would go out, you know, look at the signals from the sideline, which is that's what they did. They were a no huddle operation. So So I think he practiced on offense, just not very much. It was way more on defense. He got in the walkthroughs on offense. And look, they used him and made him a Heisman Trophy winner. And he did that on his own.

29:15He did that with that help of Colorado. We're hoping to continue to do that so he can be the best version of himself.

29:21Pat McAfee:So he was primary defense with offensive packages, basically, whenever he was at Colorado is kind of what you're saying. Yeah, he was just a little bit more primary on defense with, I think, the meeting time, the time allocated, and they caught him up more in the walkthroughs and maybe a practice or a period or two during the day in practice on offense. So he's gotten the work at both. It was just a little bit more defense than offense there. And where we've been kind of flipping that and doing more offense than defense from just a development standpoint of playing the receiver position and what goes into not just a formation and a motion, but reading coverage on a play or going and executing and being at the right spot at the right time.

30:06He's getting better and better, and we're excited about what's in store.

30:09Pat McAfee:So Coach Prime obviously has a lot of NFL guys that have played on his coaching staff, and I think that's what all NFL guys asked immediately upon, that Travis Hunter's going to play on both sides of the bowl. Well, how is he going to spend his meeting time? That is literally what everybody that's ever played in the NFL or has been in a building, like how is he going to manage that? Everybody's talking about like on the field, but what about like install? and everything else that takes place. So I appreciate you guys saying, like, he's a weapon on offense. We've got to get him in here. But it sounds like on the defensive side, whenever there's – he has a package for defense maybe.

30:40Pat McAfee:It might change game to game. Is that something we're just assuming there now at this point? Yeah, he's basically camping those, like, all right, Travis is in. These are more of my priority calls. Try to stick with more of these. It's not just necessarily a package. It's just, all right, trying to be in a good area of doing what he does best or what he knows best as well, whether that's playing cloud or 3D for man and just trying to simplify some of that. But he has to know a ton of the calls. He has to know all the red zone calls, the situational third down calls. He's got to know a lot of each game plan, guys.

31:15I mean, the amount of time that is spent throughout the day when he's not in a meeting on offense, he's definitely with the defense or vice versa. There's not a minute of his time throughout the day that isn't being utilized during practice, during special teams. He's doing Indy on offense or defense. It's full go. He's got a lot of work to do each and every week, and so do his coaches. And it's getting better and better.

31:39Pat McAfee:What a special talent, man. It's incredible. Honestly, you talk about that tough down there at the bottom, and it says mentally and physically. Obviously, to get through all that, you've got to be in incredible shape. You've got to be a phenomenal athlete. But mentally, that can all be draining, like just like this, this, this. It's the NFL, too. It's not like we're just running, you know, we got six plays. Yeah. That ain't how this is going. It is. That's a lot. Special talent, obviously worthy of the move that you guys made to go get him. If you'd like to clarify some things, we would certainly allow you to utilize this platform to do as such.

32:11Pat McAfee:We put this tail of the tape up. Now, we have made one edit. We have made one edit. We put your size at 6 '2". Remember, we had you at 6 '1". There. Yeah. And the internet did change. We had to find a little bit more. We will say AI and Wikipedia got you wrong. They did. Your college football stats obviously got you right at 6 '2", 223. You're 3-1-0 as a head coach. That has changed since then. Yeah, it has. You're now 4-1-0. Yeah, roll up the sleeves. Roll up the sleeves. Looks like he's in better shape, too. That looks like 2-0-5 now. Yeah, he might be down to a little bit slimmer. Yeah, maybe not getting to eat as much because we've got a couple more things coming across our desk.

32:48Pat McAfee:This situation here, we're past it. We're past it, hopefully. Coaches, we've bygones be bygones. And how did it feel to get introduced as the head coach to the world about, hey, this guy's willing to fight people. How was this? How has it been as head coach with all this shit? How has it been? No, look, I've got a ton of respect for Robert Sala and Kyle Shanahan, the San Francisco 49ers. Sometimes the emotions get the best of you. And, you know, ultimately, you want to be able to have a lot of respect. I have a lot of respect for those guys. We competed against them twice a year, and there's probably some pent-up emotions over the years.

33:27L.A. San Fran games. And so, you know, lost my emotions there. And, look, I got a lot of respect for those guys. But, look, being a head coach in this league, it's day in and day out, right? There's so much, as you said, come across your desk. You deal with being in the public spotlight. And it's fun, though. We've had a blast. I've had a blast doing this with this team, with this staff. Hopefully we're getting better each and every week, and these guys are playing their tails off. But it's been fun to lead this team.

33:57Pat McAfee:You've been crushing it, man. It's been fun to watch you as well. And we like a little bit. Love it. Yeah, we like that, man. Hey, we're playing. This is competitive. It's football, bitch. Yeah, that's what we're doing here. That's what we're doing. I like when there's a little bit of sauce. And your boys clearly enjoy it as well. Those locker room moments are beautiful, and that's what everybody misses. I'm happy to see you get a chance to enjoy them down there in Jacksonville. You guys just might be the second best team in the AFC South. Fuck out, man. You guys. All right. Don't hold that against me, please.

34:27Pat McAfee:I don't need to be adding any billboard material. I am a big Jacksonville Jaguars fan. You guys are an incredible team. Okay, all right. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Fresh off a big win over the Kansas City Chiefs, 4-1 down there. Duvall. Liam Cohen, you're the best. Yeah, coach. He's a man. A man. It is. He's been very cool to us. We have a lot of mutual. Liam and us have a lot of mutual. We didn't know that until he got this gig and we started, you know, our entire Duval thing. Then we started getting texts from people like, yo, yo, yo. He's a great guy. He's a good guy.

34:59Pat McAfee:And he's team all this. Same age now. We're at that age now where a lot of guys our age are getting their head jobs. And now we got to start keeping like a record of like coaches who start off looking like doofuses in the press conference and then go on and beat, like, Dan Campbell, Nick Sirianni, and we got Liam, like. Well, Gannon, you know, the conversation is going over to Gannon. Because Gannon wasn't the opening press conference. Gannon got got by some social media degree having expert who, remember that? For the Cardinals. Yeah, for the Cardinals. Who dropped the work today? And he's going, yeah.

35:32Pat McAfee:Who's going to fire in your belly? You got that fire in your gut? In your belly, that one. And then, pew, pew, pew, pew, explosive shots. And they were just letting us into the world. We didn't really know who this guy was. And they're like, hey, here's the new Arizona Cardinals head coach. Who's putting this out? Somebody wants this guy dead. Oh, it's the Arizona Cardinals social media team. Oh, geez. All right. This guy's getting buried. Now there's a whole other situation happening with old Coach Gannon. He struck a player. He didn't. Oh, no. He can't do that. Here's a sideline interaction that happened between Coach Gannon.

36:05Pat McAfee:His hat actually gets off. Turned a little bit. And he hits him in the chest. on a way out he does a fist bump that might or ah that might have hit his arm too i don't know from this angle you can't really see it from the back angle you don't really know exactly what happened but there certainly appears to be two different shots and i would say this um there's certainly a way of speaking about it that i've heard people doing about i heard somebody say assault i heard this guy struck a man i heard somebody saying i believe there were some other media ways to say it i guess that is technically what took place there i do wonder how this all works out though because they're saying there's gonna look into it what's the nfl do what the cardinals do we got coach ba here obviously coach ba coach uh football for 47 years was coaching with bear bryant that's right and we've obviously heard the story yeah i'm like bear bryant i think we all understand what football coaches have certainly done in the past of football with a lot of very good football teams and how you know it's a physical sport a lot of ex-football people in there there's a chance but nowadays it feels like with us being able to see everything and what uh good coaches have been able to accomplish without doing it and everything like how do you feel about this ba because this is gannon i think if you were to ask old football guys he ain't really yeah what's the big deal he could have grabbed him and actually shook him and let him know that there are 10 families that are about to lose their jobs and have to pick up and move because of what you just did we work so hard to just try to score one touchdown let alone that touchdown and you go ahead and just throw everybody's future basically in the trash can is what gannon is probably relaying in that exact moment but in modern world that shit is very uh unique i would say not happening on a very regular basis so old school football people probably think of one thing gannon living in a modern world how do you think it all shapes up and what is normally due process here like the nfl calls the cardinals will call kind of how does it work if you had to give it up.

38:05Yeah, I'm old school. I didn't think that much of it. And it's like he didn't grab his face mask, tear his helmet off like they did back in the 80s. Yeah, of course. Throw it up in the stands. Of course, yeah. I've seen one of those. No, I think, yeah, the league will contact the Cardinals. The Cardinals will handle it internally. And I hope everything comes out okay for him because I think he's a hell of a coach. And sometimes the emotion, and I'm sure they just showed the Colts play in their locker room to the whole team, make sure we don't let this happen. And we let it happen. and it's like, yeah, you're going to lose your shit sometimes.

38:38D-Butt, your thoughts on how it all went? I'm on the opposite side. Maybe this is the coach-player thing, and I saw it might have been on Get Up, but it had like Cardinal Sin. That was a good headline because it is kind of that line. You know, you yell, you do everything that you do, but as a grown man, there is kind of like, hey, just don't put your hands on. We saw the conversation with Urban Meyer, and just when that happens, we know the emotions are high. You know, it's a lot of testosterone during the game on the sideline. Now, in that moment, if the player snaps, because he's going through a lot too, he goes back and he whoops again his ass, now he's a bad guy.

39:12You know what I mean? We saw it with Lamar Jackson, that situation from the crowd. It's the same thing. You know, just keep your hands up. We taught that as a child. I understand emotions get high. I understand, you know, what it used to be and shit like that. But that is a line that you cross. And once you – I teach my kids, hey, you put your hand on somebody, you can't control how they retaliate. So that's kind of always that line. I don't think he meant it in a terrible way, but, you know, you just can't cross that line in my opinion.

39:36Pat McAfee:I think the first one he could get away with saying, I was telling him, come on. Here we go. I was giving him like a come on shot, that first one. It's the second one that I think he hits him in the arm with a headbutt there. That second one I think is what's going to be tough. But on that note, vastly different worlds than what it used to be, like vastly different worlds. And Gannon knows that. He's been coaching in this era this entire time. and over there, are the Cardinals ever – are the – No. No. What? That game – well, guess what? B.A. ain't walking through the door in two weeks. That game they lost to the Titans on Sunday, I feel like they lose two of those games a year.

40:19Pat McAfee:Two of those games a year. And Coach Gannon says it feels like we lose two of them a week. Yeah, exactly. He lost his mind over there. It happens all the time. But that's also the other side of it is like if the Cardinals are, you know, 4-1 after that, this kind of just gets brushed under the rug. It's like, whatever. He did. And all the emotions, it happens. But because they're not playing necessarily well and they're starting to lose a little bit, it's like, now wait a minute. Not only are they playing like shit, but their coach is acting like this on the sideline. Maybe we reassess this situation.

40:48Pat McAfee:Now, East Coast bias, or whatever they call it in media, is certainly something. If this dude did this and had the results that he's having for a team that was... New York Giants. or New York Jets or any of these, any team over on basically that gets covered a lot, this would be the big thing. Talking about it for 45 minutes. Yeah, they would have think pieces about this attack. State of coaching would be coming out in this entire thing. But because it is Arizona and because there's really, I mean, this sucks to say I know you've got a lot of connections back there. Shit, AQ is a color comment.

41:24Pat McAfee:Absolutely. But because it's Arizona, it's like there's no real thought that they're going to win anything, which sucks. Yeah. Because that city is – that might be the best city in – I'm not going to say. It's top five. It's up there. It is one of the greatest places on earth, let alone in the United States of America. And it seems like they have everything you would possibly want or need to win, just seemingly nowhere near it at this point. But everything could change. And maybe Gannon stops hitting his players. Maybe these guys will win a football game. You know, that's literally what an argument now is all of a sudden.

41:55Well, and it's the toughest division. Like this is as high stakes as it gets, I feel like, for a coach in Gannon's position just because it's a make or break year. That shit's happening on a football field in a make or break year. You're losing to a team that legitimately might win only one game this year, and that is against the Cardinals now. That's tough. The biggest winner of this that we're not really talking about is Brian Callahan. He's probably going up on his press conferences like, oh, you think I'm a prick? You see what this guy's doing to his players? Sure, I get upset about the game.

42:25and then maybe talk with a little edge to some of you guys. But, hey, at least I'm not jumping over this table and punching you in the face, Paul Kowarski. Okay? So it could be much worse. And it's kind of awesome for Callahan. Shout out to Cam Ward. Cam Ward, that's his first NFL win. And the whole story is about how the other coach is beating the piss out of his player on the sideline. Congratulations to the Titans. I wish Dan Oka posted him on Twitter so I could have seen him. Why didn't he? He's not allowed. What? Excuse me. That's what he said. What did he say? I want to show you these throws so bad that Cam War made, but I'm not allowed to post on Twitter anymore.

43:04Pat McAfee:Well, why don't you go negotiate a deal with the NFL, Dan, like everybody else does? Oh. Oh, not everybody, I guess. Just some of us. Go do it, Dan. Yeah. It's no problem. Just go reach out to them, negotiate a deal, or have your little agents do that for them. There you go. You know, so you get the deal done. And I only say little agents because we actually know who they are, and they are tiny little fans. and uh good lads good lads i assume they're good lads yeah we don't know for sure but we assume they're good for titans fans and since i'm not allowed to post video on here anymore that's on you dan you acting like that's on somebody else that is you're an adult okay since it's against the law to steal other people's content uh i'm not allowed to since the nfl uh is expecting me to call them and say hey can i do this with your shit there's a lot of people on the internet doing that oh yeah so many it's about time i don't know if dan's the right guy to be going after and i I think probably miscommunication here from people who don't know what the hell's going on at certain places.

44:00Pat McAfee:But I think the NFL is in the middle of a potential – everybody's having a good time just stealing our shit time. And I don't know if they're going to like – now on that note, I'm the doofus who's been paying them for years while everybody else has just – Been yanking it. He's been stealing their shit. And I have literally just been like, I feel like I'm supposed to do this. 15 % to the corner, you know, America gangster. Now, he kills the guy and then does it. He does. But we like the NFL too. Yeah, I didn't want to do it. So I'm just 15 % of the corner. I just always thought it was the right thing to do because we were running an internet show.

44:31Pat McAfee:It's like, hey, I'm running a lot of your guys' shit. Feels like I should because you guys are just going to sue me. Yeah. Incessantly if we don't. Just got to work the deal, Dan. Then all of a sudden you can do your little, listen, what this guy does, the whole thing. See, but I love this gimmick for Dan. Like this is Dan Orlovsky. Like, you know, here, you know what I'm going to do? Fine. I'm going to post 12 time stamps of plays you need to go watch right now. Go do some homework, okay? I've been grinding tape. If I were going to think of how Dan's going to do this, this is it. Go ahead. Post a bunch of plays from the game and make the fans go find them.

45:05Somebody did. TJ Lang actually went and found him and then posted it on the thread. That's good football.

45:13Pat McAfee:That's good internet and good football. Dan, I don't want to tell your little agents what to do, but NFL Plus is trying to run a little stuff. if they got the all 22, you can certainly do. Sunday ticket, I think, probably is a way you could go through there. NFL film is probably a way you could probably get in there. This would require a little forethought and a handshake or two in a conversation. And money. And there will have to be some sort of business done there. But I think, Dan, we need it. Because I can't be just banking on TJ Lang stealing their shit and putting it up there every single time.

45:44Pat McAfee:Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a league representative that used to just hit us with, we used to get sued by this company oh yeah more than anybody whenever we were just a internet show instead of falling under the umbrella license our show through espn then all of a sudden we're umbrella subsidiaries of a couple of the other leagues and it's a league that we've been a fan of since i was a little boy i grew up in pittsburgh i was very lucky to grow up in a hockey time and i'm very lucky that i'm uh united states of american because there's been great usa hockey players ever since the beginning obviously everybody talks about the miracle on ice and obviously that's something special but how about whenever you wake up and you watch the olympics and there's an american taking on russia all by his goddamn self just back and forth on the ice who's fighting russia this guy who's beating russia this guy i immediately fell in love with this man then i learned quickly oh this dude's an absolute legend a true beauty a stanley cup champion and nhl legend and a man that fought for the united states of america now on espn's

46:48Darius Butler:nhl coverage tj oshy what's up boys what's up how we doing hey great thank you so much for

46:56Pat McAfee:joining us on this uh official puck drop to the nhl season congrats on joining the espn's coverage and i would like to say uh espn's lucky they got you as well so i'm very happy that that happened man how are you how are you feeling going into the season and what are your thoughts

47:12Darius Butler:thank you appreciate it yeah super excited to join ESPN um I mentioned it on uh on my social media but my dad like my childhood little childhood before like the high school days my dad fell asleep to sports center like every night of his life so he would uh this this would have been a dream come true for him but um I'm excited I'm excited to get the season rolling I've never watched as a fan before, retiring in June. So this will be my first year. I actually didn't watch any hockey growing up at all. So this will be my first year being – yeah, I know. It's weird. It's really weird.

47:45Pat McAfee:Well, I'm happy you're the expert I'm going to be listening to.

47:49Darius Butler:Jeez, Louie. Well, I know the game. You're not going to get me wrong. I played long enough. I can follow pretty good. But I'm excited to sit back and be able to see some more hockey this year.

48:00Pat McAfee:I think your perspective is going to be glorious, actually, if you've never watched how hockey's been covered. That is something that is, I'm kind of intrigued to see how you break it down, because you're going to see things, obviously, that people haven't seen, and then you're going to realize, like, you might change the way hockey's covered. You might be like, hey, here's something that maybe we need to look for, and you might add a camera, the OSHA cam. You might save the entire sport because you've never watched the sport that you're about to cover before. Let's talk about how many years you played.

48:27Pat McAfee:How do you think the NHL has changed with its relationship with media? Because there's been a long time where we don't know anything about the hockey players, really. The NHL players. We grew up in Pittsburgh, and all we knew is they won. And then after you win a Stanley Cup, everybody parties. And then these things, these hockey players just kind of disappear. They go into hibernation, and they somehow get in a better shape. And then they have another season. We don't hear anything. Then I think spit and chiclets kind of opened the door a little bit. and then the kind of the way we've learned about hockey players has kind of grown, multiple different networks and platforms having the NHL now.

49:00Pat McAfee:How do you feel that has kind of affected the locker room or hockey, and how much more do you think we have in that department to grow the game, if you will?

49:09Darius Butler:I think there's definitely a lot of room. We'll start there. I think the emergence of people having their own platforms, their own social media, you're getting guys to see a little bit more personality. I think hockey in general is a very team, very tight sport. You don't give anyone anything. You know, it's upper body, lower body. Sometimes that's even wrong. So it's hard as a team because you don't want to give anyone anything on you. And you want to put the team in front of yourself at all times. And so I think hockey is doing a good job in getting into that where the team still is first. But now with social media and some other things, you're able to see the players' personalities a little bit.

49:54Darius Butler:Maybe it's not, you know, in every interview. But, I mean, the hockey culture is one that's fantastic to be a part of. A lot of really, really good people. And so it's great to see some more personalities come out. And you can kind of learn a little bit more about people. And instead of, you know, like you said, kind of hibernating and going away. Same thing when we won the Cup. you know we didn't know what to do we were like the fans felt like such a big part of this we're going to party in the streets we're opening the doors to everything and uh and it was a great way to celebrate i know the fans loved it we loved it and um yeah but like you mentioned spitting chicklins does a good job they kind of go behind the scenes a little bit a couple nhl guys there on there um a couple of my buddies but uh there's definitely still a lot more room for to see the personality personalities of the players if you could actually see in the locker room how we are it's uh i mean i play without with ov so like if you could see kind of how we are in

50:52Pat McAfee:the locker room it's it's wild yeah it's an incredible culture and i think part of your culture is like hey don't bring the attention on yourself which is why we respect and appreciate the culture so much but it's hard to grow the culture when the culture is i don't want any fucking attention it's like a it's like a constant battle but i think hockey's in the middle of a great renaissance right now and we're thankful and pumped that you're going to be a part of the coverage. You just mentioned Ovi. We had him on the show last year. He immediately introduced everybody on team. It was amazing. It was incredible.

51:21Pat McAfee:He's OG, but I do think he's a good representative of how hockey players feel. On that note, you talked about taking it in the streets. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, TJ, you said you guys didn't know what to do after you won the Stanley Cup, but that feels like bullshit because Ovechkin did it better than anybody in the history of the NHL. What was it like kind of following his lead when it came to party? And we know it was like on the ice it seemed as though he you know he knew what he was doing scoring goals now he's the greatest goal scorer of all time what was it like kind of once you win that cup and you're looking at Alex Ovechkin and some of those guys in that locker room and you know you basically just party for 10 days straight was it just the time of your life or what yeah it was I mean it

52:02Darius Butler:definitely was I mean we felt like we were on top of the world um yeah there's probably not a better guy to party with when you win the Stanley Cup than the big man. I mean, we had a lot of good times. I'll tell you, when I kind of came up with doing the cake stand, the cup stand, I was going to go super hot out. And I was like, there wasn't a lot of beer coming to us. There's fans around us. And I was like, we got to do something to fire this thing up. And so I was like, I told Tom Wilson, me and we're kind of partners in crime a little bit. and uh i was like hey let's let's go do a a cake stand on the cup he's like really and i was like yeah let's let's do this and he's like all right all right let's go let's go and i was like wait wait ovi has to be first and i'm not a big guy at all ovi ovi's a lot heavier than me and so me and tom tom has no problem but we're lifting ovi upside down to do a cup stand and uh i remember that that next day from lifting the cup from lifting up ovi and then the rest of the guys that funneled in my arms.

53:05Darius Butler:I could barely lift my arms over my head. Upper body. Yeah, I was an upper body for sure. I was on the mend for a couple weeks, but we got her going the next day and I forgot about it. But no, the big man, he definitely sets the tone and we all follow. And the pictures I have on my phone of me and him celebrating just pure joy is pretty special.

53:31Pat McAfee:Tonight we got a three-piece as we launch this next hockey season. And Penguins, Rangers at 8 p.m., Blackhawks, Panthers, shoot it off, skate it off. I don't know what you guys say. Drop it off. It's not kick it off, whatever it is. At 5 p.m. and then 10.30, Avalanche and Kings. Everybody's hunting one particular trophy. And you just mentioned it there, the cup. There's been one team that seemingly wants to own it forever. And D-Butt, South Florida native, has been a fan since the beginning. Hell yeah. He has a question for you, TJ. 31, 32 years. TJ, you just talked about partying. Brought me back some flashbacks at Elbow Room the last couple of years.

54:10But our leader, the guy that sets the tone for us, Barkie, will be out for a significant time, turning his ACL, MCL. What are our chances getting that three-peat with Barkie being down and Chucky even kind of limping into the season?

54:24Darius Butler:I think Florida just has to get in, right? guys are going to have to step up which is very hard to do over a long period of time we saw that with you know with our captain with Ovi if he was out for a couple games you know we could make do we could find a way to spread out the contributions but over a long period of time is very tough in the NHL Barky a guy I respect a ton very hard to play against Chucky great obviously phenomenal player I played with his dad back in St. Louis back in the day it's going to be tough for sure but if anyone can do it it's them they're just built for a next man up mentality you watch them in the playoffs every player sacrifices and does the things that are necessary for the team to win not necessarily for them to get their cookies so it's a team that's built to make another run at it the injuries are definitely going to hurt and if they can find a way to recover from that they can find some of these young guys to step up into these larger roles.

55:27Darius Butler:I think they're going to be right there in the postseason. And who knows with, you know, how people have been coming back from these knee surgeries lately. If Barkov gets back in, when Chucky gets in, he's going to be phenomenal. So it's going to be fun to watch, fun to tag along.

55:41Pat McAfee:I don't know how you and Morrissey get along or not. Didn't mention his name. He's back down there, obviously. That's a huge trade. I like it. Any rivals that you have, too, carrying into TV, I think is a good thing, not a bad thing. We have about 35 seconds here, but we have to ask. Go ahead, Todd. Yeah, TJ, quick here. Connor McDavid signed a two-year$12.5 million per extension with the Oilers. A lot of people saying, hey, crazy, this guy who is so talented left this much money on the table. What are your thoughts on this, and does this ultimately just kind of set up, hey, if he doesn't get it done in Edmonton here in the next couple years, then he is definitely gone?

56:15Darius Butler:Yeah, I'll start it up with, as a teammate, if I was Connor McDavid's teammate and I saw that that's what he signed, I'm running through a brick wall every night. And I'm saying, this guy's making a sacrifice. Now I got to make my sacrifice. I'm getting paid probably what I deserve. He is not. He's taking a pay cut so that we can win. Let's go do it. So I think it's a charismatic thing to do. It's what a leader should do. I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone. As someone that went against him, I think he's the best player in the world. and he clearly wants to win a cup.

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58:04Pat McAfee:What's it sound like? Hit! You gotta go deep, baby.

58:12Pat McAfee:How many years have you been doing that, you think? Since I was nine. And I just turned 73 a couple days ago. Happy birthday! You had a birthday game, too, you know, obviously. How'd you golf? Did you play golf day of your birthday? I sure did. How'd you shoot? I had a good day. We went down to Florida. Dave Moss put on a great event for a lot of good charities down there, and we had a great time. Were you playing scramble? You weren't playing your own ball? We played our own ball one day. I played scramble the next. What did you shoot? Did you shoot your birthday or your age? No, I shot 82. I was a little tough on those greens down there.

58:41But we were 15 under in the scramble and came in fourth.

58:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, somebody's cheating. Oh, no, these guys are really good. Okay. Talks at tables here at Boston Corner, at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet. Florida Panthers back-to-back Stanley Cup champs. Super fan, ladies and gentlemen. and Darius J. Butler. Yeah, yeah, D-Bot. And joining us now, live from Manatic in Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, he is a college football national champion and Super Bowl champion and a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawker. Yeah, Hawker. Hawker, Jags, huge. You felt it. You like the Jags plus three and a half. You like the over as well. The Jacksonville Jaguars get a huge win against Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football down there at home.

59:18Pat McAfee:Maybe ignite an entire fan base to believe in what Liam Cohen and Stoner are doing down there even more. Primetime television, our first chance really to see Trevor Lawrence and Travis Hunter do their thing. Brian Thomas Jr. obviously with a huge catch here. What are your thoughts on what you saw last night? And is the Chiefs still the Chiefs? Or what's going on, A.J. Hawk? I mean, I think the Chiefs can still become the Chiefs of who we know. I think the Jags are legit, though. I've got to give credit first to Devin Lloyd. Are you kidding me? That 99-yard pick, six, was just unbelievable. The fact that he's able to convert that for the score is huge.

59:53And what a great play, getting lost in line, coming off the center turn. bam here we go like what a beautiful situation and D but you mentioned it in the uh earlier right

1:00:01Pat McAfee:who got this block at the end who was it yeah like just a little bit right there that's all he needed to get him in the end zone which is a huge deal because who knows what happens if you give the offense the ball there in the two or three yard line so this was awesome also give Travis Hunter the ball in space as much as you possibly can yeah let's get a couple of these let's get a couple of these he majored in defense at Colorado had a package of offense so obviously he did some meeting and practice on the offensive side but he was primarily a db which we watched he was unbelievable drifting out of coverage making plays out of his zone doing all the stuff that he did defensively but on the offensive side them having a couple plays for him to take advantage of his athleticism and his burst i mean he's doing tyree kill type shit that's tyree kill stuff like uh when a guy's a yard away from you and you would not have been tackled in flag football That is like Tyree Kill type stuff.

1:00:53Pat McAfee:Travis Hunter has that capability. And obviously on defense, we talked about it with Liam Cohen and obviously the starter show, he's locked up on Travis Kelsey on a third down. I mean, they obviously have a lot of faith. So he's majoring in offense while learning the defense. And they said they have no real, let's see how it goes, basically, is how they're doing it. No minute wasted throughout the day for meetings or individual drills or practice or whatever. How do you feel about it, AJ, now that we're five weeks into this and they're 4-1? This team's 4-1 right now down in Jacksonville. Yeah, Jacksonville, they're letting us know that they feel like they're a legit contender.

1:01:28With Travis Hunter, I guess I understand them feeling it out, but the guy is so special when the ball is in the air. I love watching him on offense. I love what he's doing on defense as well. But you see that play when they motion him out of the backfield, and they're sitting there like any time a team wants to play a zone, let's say they want to drop to the sticks, to the first down mark, keep their eyes on the quarterback, and they'll let you throw the ball two, three yards, and they're going to break and make the tackle get off the field. You're not with Travis Hunter. That's the thing. And I think, too, the more times he gets the ball and he shows this, it kind of like it'll slow you down as a defense, too, sometimes.

1:02:01Like, hey, man, I know if I'm the curl flat dropper there right there and I'm saying, hey, buddy, I need some help inside. Like, I'll be outside. I'll try not to let him get back outside of me, but I need you guys running inside out. I'm going to need some help here. So I think it kind of will slow the defense down as well when they're trying to attack him.

1:02:17Pat McAfee:Now, I don't want to add more, but if he was to be a returner, he'd be unbelievable. I mean, he's special. There's been a couple guys where it's like, can he do his college shit in the NFL? Like Caleb Williams, I think. It was like, will Caleb be able to do the college stuff that he was able to do in the NFL when everybody is running 4-4, 4-3, 4-2? You've got all the all-star. Travis Hunter is able to outrun NFL guys now. So we're understanding that he is going to be able to athletically exceed most people that he's on the field with, which was a question. Like, hey, he was a Colorado. is a big fish, great athlete in small pond.

1:02:48Pat McAfee:Now we're seeing it at the biggest stage. Is that a proper statement to describe how Travis Hunter is playing right now, B.A.? Yeah, I think, you know, Deion was the first. I had Patrick Peterson, who we put on offense and could run routes as good as anybody at great hands and did a little bit for us because we didn't have enough speed. And what I see him doing is just amazing. Have you ever had a player where it was a package on defense as opposed to a package on offense. I think it's much more normal for a DB to have a package on offense as opposed to a wide receiver have a package on defense.

1:03:23Pat McAfee:Julian Edelman? Yeah, and even then he wasn't really playing offense. He was more so like, hey, let's find a spot for this guy. Special teams in safety. But he was listed as a wide receiver. Then once he became wide receiver, it was like, okay, he's not playing on the defensive side. Very rare that you see the major in offense and then package on defense. Feels like that's what they're doing right now, but who knows what they do in the future whenever he understands everything. How do you think they're viewing it after talking to Liam Cullen? Yeah, I think for offensive guys, tackling is a big problem on defense.

1:03:51Pat McAfee:Contact. And going down and running somebody down. But I think Liam's doing a great job with it. They're letting him grow into it instead of force-feeding him. Just how much can you handle mentally? Because there's so much. When you talk about all that meeting time offensively, you're not talking about five or six plays now. You're talking about maybe 100 plays on offense, maybe eight or nine coverages plus your red zone packages and all your special situational stuff. This kid's got to be really, really smart. Yeah, and nobody talks about that because, you know, jocks are stupid. Football players are stupid.

1:04:22Pat McAfee:It's like I, punter, had the best playbook. Long snapper probably had the best playbook. Legit. I think long snapper had the best one. Vinatieri had a pretty easy one too. Just kind of do that one. Make it. Yeah. So punt and kickoff, I had like seven different options to pull from. You know, right, left, middle. Or add onside. Let's go kickoff and right, left, middle. Yeah, onside, right, left, middle. You got your pass plays. You got your – Oh, yeah, we got a couple fakes maybe we'll put in there for the week of. But then we're done. That is – I pretty much got that thing mastered. Maybe first day of looking at it.

1:05:00Pat McAfee:Maybe first day on the job. You guys, what you – and AJ will always say, all I need here are numbers. Just tell me where I, you know, that whole thing. The amount of intricacies in it all. That's why it's not as easy to just pick up a rugby player and throw him in or anybody that plays another sport that's a contact sport, like, hey, you can put him in there. The checks, the natural things, it's like, it feels like his football IQ is good and great. I would say elite at this level. It's like the books now, like the book studying is what everybody has to catch up in the NFL level. Is that kind of normal for DBs, wide receivers?

1:05:33Pat McAfee:Is that the separator between NFL and college? obviously got to be an elite athlete to play these positions, but the difference is all in between the years. That's the separator every level you go up. So little league, all right, you're the best guy on the field. You play both ways, never come off the field. Then you go up to high school. Okay, are you still that good? Some guys do. A lot of guys do still play both ways. Then you go to big-time college ball, and it's like, oh, shit, everybody is Mr. Ohio, Mr. New Jersey, Mr. Florida. So everybody's good now. So now it's about how many advantages can you get?

1:06:01How many things can you anticipate? How do you communicate? How do you learn? How do you adjust? How do you respond? How do you work in the offseason? All those different things. And then once you get to the pro level, it's the same thing. Because we always see it. Guys getting drafted, you know, top five, top ten, first round, second round. A lot of it is based on their physical gifts and what they can be. But once you get to the next level, we saw it a little bit with Travis Hunter early. As good as he was, you can almost tell when he wasn't completely comfortable with the plays or didn't necessarily know where he was lining up or didn't know, okay, should I be at 12 or 14 yards to this route?

1:06:33and all those things matter on this level. So after listening to Liam talk and how his time is spent, you almost have to be like a football savant at this point, like spatial awareness on both sides of the field. You got to be able to communicate and be on the same page with everyone. I love the fact Liam said a couple weeks ago in a press conference, I think one of the receivers got hurt and they asked him, okay, are you going to put more X, more Z? And he was like, nah, he's playing F. Like that's his position on offense. So that's good for him to know regardless of the game plan, this is my position I need to learn.

1:07:03And I'm sure it's similar on the defensive side of the ball. But for him to be able to do this physically, mentally, we know the athlete that he is. Like some of those things, like his ball skills, you knew that would translate. Like we saw it on every level. His ball skills were unique. The speed, we just saw him running stride for stride with Xavier Worthy, fastest guy we've ever seen come through the combine. So all the physical things, he got it. It's just about mentally and then physically, can he basically stay upright regardless of what position you're playing? Shit, you had how many surgeries at punter?

1:07:31Four. It's a tough, long season, so that'll probably be his biggest challenge.

1:07:36Pat McAfee:Just knees, knees, knees, knees for me. Boy, you know what it is. I hope science figures out the knees. AJ does as well. We are both limpers after long walking because we have no cartilage in there. It's supposed to make life a little bit easier. Here's some stats for Travis Hunter last night. Talk about being in shape. I believe Hembo sent these over. 35 offensive snaps. He had 19 in the slot, 14 outside, and one tight end. 19 routes three receptions on three targets 64 yards including a 17 yards after catch which we saw electrify 25 defensive snaps all outside corner he traveled 1 ,508 and a half yards per NFL next gen stats only player with 1 ,500 plus in multiple games this season so he's obviously continuing the trend from what he did at Colorado Colorado was like 110 plays a game or something like that and it was average it was out yeah and everybody's like can you do that in an NFL season is like, well, they're starting right now, and they're just at the beginning of this.

1:08:28Pat McAfee:So let's go to one of our favorite segments of the week. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for BS or no BS with BA. And the first one here is about Travis Hunter. Ladies and gentlemen, BS or no BS is when BA gives us whether or not a statement of fact is bullshit or no bullshit. Let's get to the first one here. It's about Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter should play both ways. No question asked. Now, there's certainly somebody that has said this somewhere. So we didn't want to give the proper credit to the quote because it's certainly coming from somewhere. Travis Hunter should play both ways, no questions asked.

1:09:01Pat McAfee:Is that BS or no BS at this point, B.A.? That is definitely no bullshit. It's just how much more can he play? Just don't overload him because if you're thinking in the National Football League, you're playing too slow. If you've got to think, you're losing. So keep it really simple for him where he can just use all that God-given talent and play so fast. Okay, so you're thinking that's no BS. D. Butch, do you agree at this point, too, after what you were saying yesterday? Yesterday, I didn't agree. Today, after watching him in prime time, it's like, yeah, you get him on the field as much as he can handle.

1:09:35He is an ultimate chess piece that we haven't seen. Let him do what the hell he wants to do.

1:09:39Pat McAfee:AJ, final thoughts on this being no BS. We're letting him do it. Are we going to change this answer in four or five weeks as the season continues? Or is this just in-the-moment answer, AJ? No, I agree this is no BS because I like what Deepak said, Liam, saying. He has a position on offense. He knows, like, this is your rule. You study this. You know first you learn this inside out, and then you will slowly start to learn what everybody else around you is doing. B.A., how difficult do you think it is for Liam, though, as, like, you being an offensive guy, like, knowing, hey, he can help us out on both sides of the ball.

1:10:13But, like, I want him on offense for the majority of the game because we've seen it early. there are only a handful of guys in the NFL who are legitimate threats to score every time they touch the ball, and he's one of them. So how difficult is that in the back of your head when you are an offensive guy? It's like, well, you know what, maybe let's not send him out there on defense, this possession, because I want him fresh on offense. Yeah, the kid is in such fabulous shape. I don't think stamina is a problem. He's obviously shown that at Colorado. He played like 150 plays at one game. And so it's more mental.

1:10:44and as long as he doesn't slow down mentally, I'm using him as much as I possibly can. Keep him at one, because don't ask him to learn all three wide receiver positions. That's two other guys' jobs. You learn your job on offense, and like Liam said, running routes but reading coverage. When you start adjusting routes, in college you don't adjust that much. Either take the middle or you break in. It's that simple. But he's learning so much how to run routes and be effective at it. Like you said earlier, get the damn thing to him quick and let him run with it.

1:11:13Pat McAfee:And the more he knows, the better he knows it, the more confident he is. Which goes back to what D-Buds talked about. Yeah, he's playing faster. He feels like he's not lining up. He's not asking people where to go. So I think he probably wants to learn this as much as possible. But it only happens as it happens, you know? Yeah. And his vibes always being immaculate through all this. He's a good one. Travis, you're a good one, bro. Oh, yeah. Before we get to the next BS or no BS, there's a breaking news in the AFC North. What? The Bengals. Oh, no. After getting their asses absolutely smacked. The last couple weeks without Joe Flacco, I'm sorry, without Joe Burrow, are trading for the other Joe Cool.

1:11:49Pat McAfee:Oh, no. Joe Flacco. Rap Sheet and Tom Pellicero were on it. They go from Cool Joe to the Coolest Joe. They go from Burrow with an EAUX to Flacco with a John accent. Ty Schmidt, you are seemingly flabbergasted by this move. Why are you reacting the way that you're reacting? Because the fucking Packers play the Bengals this week. Joe Flacco just beat him a couple weeks ago at the Browns. He's going to come back in and fucking beat him again. Joe Flacco's going to beat the Packers.

1:12:26I was really looking forward to getting a bite out of the Jake Browning apple. It was fun. So we're one of those DBs for the Packers. Now we've got Joe Flacco coming back to town.

1:12:38Pat McAfee:So on that note, Mike Tomlin said this about the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple years ago when Anthony Richardson was playing and Joe Flacco was the backup. Mike Tomlin told the Pittsburgh Steelers defense, we do not hurt Anthony Richardson. We do not want that 6 '6 thing walking onto this field and playing against us. Now, inevitably, Joe Flacco did make an appearance in that particular game. I think people that have been around ball respect Joe Flacco. So I think that's why Ty right there goes, oh, no, Joe Flacco can do it. Jake Browning Apple. And he's got Jamar Chase. Yeah, I wanted all the picks.

1:13:17Pat McAfee:Jamar Chase still there. Yeah, T. Higgins is healthy. Joe Flacco can still. He's going to come in and say, I beat these guys a couple weeks ago. I know exactly what we've got to do. He might be calling the points. Yeah, he probably is. AJ, how is Ohio going to react to the Flacco move from one part of the state to the other? I think Ohio people are going to be very happy about this. I live in Bengals country pretty much. There's definitely Browns fans as well, but a lot of people have been saying, Jameis, Andy Dalton, somebody. They've got to bring somebody in here to Cincinnati. I feel like Flacco.

1:13:48Maybe I did overlook him at first, but maybe he is the answer. He'll get the ball to those superstars, though. I promise you that. He'll push the ball to them.

1:13:56Pat McAfee:Is he the ruler of the jungle this week, too? Please, no. If he is, then the Packers might as well not even fucking play. I mean, this is just bad news. This is not what I needed today. Do you think, just in the history of sports media, do you think that the way ESPN, because our show is currently on ESPN, would react to a starting quarterback trade within a division would go the way we just did it right there? Do you think there would be a 39-year-old quarterback who's playing backup? Oh, no, he's going to beat the Packers once. Packers are the best of your football week. That's got to be one of the stats, guys.

1:14:34Has anybody started for two different teams and beat the same team in the same year? Yeah, we'll see you Sunday, Coach. It'll be the first time and the last time it's ever happened.

1:14:43Pat McAfee:Okay, let's talk about this, actually, because I think there is a BS or no BS about the age of quarterbacks. So let's get to the age of quarterbacks one, because Joe Flacco, obviously 39 years old, still playing. and then these guys that are getting their mid-prime resurgencies is because the conversation is basically maybe there aren't enough talented young quarterbacks in the NFL. So that statement has been made on plenty of occasion, which is why these guys get a second shot at it. There aren't enough talented young QBs in the NFL. Quarterback whisperer BA, is that BS or is that no BS? Now, he's total bullshit.

1:15:23Oh, really? When you look at the kids, I call them kids, 26 and under, this is the future of the league, and the league is in great hands. I mean, just look at what they're doing. Drake May, Caleb, Jaden Daniels, on and on. There's like eight or nine of them, and it is Jordan Love. I mean, every team is in good hands with these young guys, and I think it's just bright, bright future, especially for offensive football.

1:15:47Pat McAfee:So these guys like Joe Flacco are still getting opportunities, or maybe these older quarterbacks that are getting ops. That's always the way it's been around the league, or are we just putting more spotlight on now? Like Joe Flacco getting another opportunity to be a starting quarterback, that's not an indictment on the other options that are out there at a younger age. It's just Joe Flacco's a guy that can still play good ball somewhere. Yeah, I mean, Jake Brown, he's had some really good games for the Bengals, and I think he's just had some really shitty ones lately, and they had enough. So they turned to door number two, and there's Joe.

1:16:18It's like, I would have guessed Jameis or somebody else too, but I'm excited to see Joe throw to those guys.

1:16:25Pat McAfee:Yes. I mean, the speed, and he's still one of the best deep ball throwers in the league. I think Zach Taylor's probably pretty pumped up about it as well. He's about sick and tired of watching Jake Brown and sit on the sideline after his third interception. And Zach Taylor's thinking to himself, everybody thinks I'm a big dumb dipshit. You think Zach Taylor's pumped? About Joe Flacco? You think he's pumped about it. Did you see the way Packers fans just reacted, D-Butt? I'm just asking a question. What do you think? What do you think? I mean, I like Joe. I love Joe. Former Colt. Is that right?

1:16:55Footstep, he did some good things for us. And I guess this is a situation where I guess you know what you're going to get. You know you expect Joe Burr to come back maybe at the end of the year. Maybe some people expect it. The other Browns quarterback, Shador Sanders, it may be. But you don't know what you're going to get. It's a rookie. At least you can see what you got there. It may be Russ. So this is a head scratcher. But we'll see. Ty obviously feels a certain way about it. So maybe I'm wrong. and maybe we do get the new QB bump, at least for this week. But we know the conversation we're going to be having in about two weeks.

1:17:27Pat McAfee:Somebody just dropped into my ear with a Yinsser accent. Let's go to hammer. Don, Don. AP Tony, AFC North cooking. Big quarterback shuffle in the AFC North, Tony.

1:17:39Darius Butler:This sucks, and D-Butts is right. He's eventually going to be right. But I had the same reaction that Ty had because I don't think Joe's going to play this week. I don't think you get traded on a Tuesday and play on Sunday against the Packers. I think you get traded on Tuesday, you learn the offense for a week, and then you beat the Steelers on Thursday night football at home. That's the quarterback bump game. That's the game you win, and then you go off and you suck the rest of the season. So I think Ty's okay. I think the Steelers are screwed.

1:18:06Pat McAfee:So this is how our show is reacting to Joe Flacco getting traded, by the way. A sixth-rounder and a fifth-rounder are getting flopped in the trade as well. There's a little bit more details. We got Ty from the Packers going, oh, no, Flacco's about to beat us. And then you got the Steelers next week going, he's not actually, he's going to beat us. I mean, there he is. There's fear around the NFL with Joe Flacco getting traded. And, hey, maybe he does another magical midseason run with a team to the playoffs, Conman. Yeah, exactly. No matter what, you know, whether they're winning or losing, we know T.

1:18:39Higgins and Jamar Chase are about to have some 80-yard touchdown opportunities, a ball going through the air the whole time. but kind of awesome for the Browns. If you look at that young quarterback's conversation, all of a sudden Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders. You've got to think Cleveland feels great about both of them if they're comfortable moving on from Flacco. Dylan Gabriel, I believe, played turnover-free football in his first game, and his first game happened to be – He looked the part.

1:19:03Pat McAfee:He did, yeah. He really looked the part of a defense. I thought he looked fantastic against that defense. And the size, obviously, was talked about because it had to be talked about because it was one of the only things that was like a big-time knock because if you looked at his college tape against damn near everybody, he is very efficient and a very accurate quarterback. I think people talk about his leadership and how people like him. So, like, the only knock was, hey, he's 5 '11". We've got to talk about that because most of these quarterbacks, big, tall guys, it's not easy. He looked very comfortable as an NFL quarterback, and he was spinning it all over the place.

1:19:32Pat McAfee:Do you think Cleveland, with this move, is saying, we're comfortable with what we have here, and we're going to continue to develop? I don't think there's any doubt about it. Yeah, they really like what they saw, and they obviously feel like Shador's ready to go too. That's fascinating. Kenny Pickett out of town, right? Joe Flacco out of town. Now it's just the two rookies, basically, in that quarterback room that we've chatted about since the offseason. Didn't a lot of people say, hey, this is how it's going to go? I'm sure Dan Orlovsky's taking a full. If you were going to trade both guys, why aren't we starting the rookies?

1:20:02Pat McAfee:I don't even know if he's allowed to tweet that. He'll probably post a timestamp from NFL Live. And when he says, hey, listen, I'm not allowed to tweet this, I could certainly go make something happen to be able to tweet this, but I'm just going to sit here and be told no and just not do anything about it. But he basically said, if we're inevitably going to get to the rookies, why are we even doing the song and dance? I think they thought they were going to win with Flacco. I think they thought that they were going to be able to do what they did a few years ago, have success, and then there would be some perfect time to hand it over to a rookie, whichever one.

1:20:31Pat McAfee:Now, they like Dylan Gabriel more. They drafted him in the third round as opposed to the fifth round. I think that was their envision. That was what they were hoping for. They obviously get to Dylan Gabriel at the time they get to him. He looks the part, and then they decide to pull the trigger and move on. How do you think it goes in that building? What do you think the thoughts are over there? Because the defense – You can win with that defense every week. Every week? Every week. In the playoffs too. Yeah. Every week in the regular season and every week in the playoffs, you can win with that defense.

1:20:57Pat McAfee:So the offense just needs to be – and Stefanski, what, offensive guru. So he's at the point now where both these rookies, he thinks he's going to be able to win with. I think that's a good thing for the Cleveland Browns. And then Deshaun Watson. I don't know who mentioned it earlier. in the week, but he will be healthy at some point during this season, so we'll see what happens there. He's still fairly young. We'll see what happens when he's healthy, but yeah, you gotta feel pretty confident about Dylan Gabriel, number one, because this team, if you can go out there and score, let's say, 21, 24 points a game, you got a chance to win every week with this defense and how they play ball on that side of it, and then you gotta be comfortable with Shador, his progression and where he is to be able, because when you have a backup, you gotta be ready for this guy to go in and play, and and drive the ship as well.

1:21:42So I'm interested to see how this goes. Everybody kind of saw it playing out this way. Start the season with the vet, Flacco. Move on to the rookies because next year they have the multiple first-round picks that they could possibly move up and draft a quarterback as well, depending on how things shake out with the guy that has$230 million guaranteed. So this will be interesting. This is, you know, Cleveland being Cleveland.

1:22:02Pat McAfee:On that note, I think that guy got the$230 million flu when it comes to on-field stuff. I'm not getting into off-field stuff. on-field stuff. Feels like that guy's trying not to ruin life, you know, because he has the biggest bag in the history of the NFL. That whole thing did not work at all, which has put them into the position that they're currently in. And not to be forgotten in the entire story, Bailey zip on the ball, Zappy, also on the Cleveland Browns. Oh, here we go. Oh, man. Yeah. They got talent over there. They feel real good. They got talent over there. I just wish that defense would have showed up in the last three minutes.

1:22:34Pat McAfee:Yeah? You're talking about Carson Wentz? Yeah. You don't think Carson Wentz just figured them out? It took them 57 minutes maybe to figure out what was going on defensive side. What's the laugh? What's the laugh? We're paying these defensive linemen a lot of money. Carson Wentz needs to be on his ass. That's hilarious. We talked about him talking about Gannon earlier. You heard him just old school right there, too. These guys are getting how much money? Can't make a fucking – what are we paying him for? Fifth overall pick? What are you even here for? We got a rookie quarterback who's got the lead.

1:23:03Pat McAfee:And we can't close the game? With this defense? How do you feel about the Browns? I mean, the AFC North as a whole has become. I want to see that defense be dominant. When they are dominant, I think they can win them with a rookie quarterback because they've got a hell of a running back. They've got enough talent around them, good offensive line. So, yeah, but that defense has got to be dominant. Stefanski, how do you guys view him? I don't know how he's kept his job this long. That's exactly what most coaches view that way. But I think the reason why he's kept his job this long is because I think there's alleged kind of understanding Haslam's the one that made the deal.

1:23:35Pat McAfee:because remember the Cleveland Browns were out of the running. It was going to be Atlanta or New Orleans. He was going to get traded too. And then all of a sudden out of the clouds, if the story goes the way we've been kind of told it or followed, they came in with the$230 million guarantee. Hey, here's this, the biggest offer, fully guaranteed to do this. And then all of a sudden, wait a minute, we will go to Cleveland if that's what's happening. He ends up at Cleveland. So I think a lot of people in the media have just said, well, that ownership decision has kind of slowed down Andrew Barry and Stefanski's ability to develop team and coach team.

1:24:07Pat McAfee:Now, they've moved on from Baker. Obviously, Baker's had the success that he's had and everything like that. But I think everybody in the media's eyes just kind of give him a pass because the ownership decided to tie up the largest percentage in the history of a salary cap and kind of hamstring the entire team. Coaches, though, do they see it that way? I know. Coaches talk about winning, man. It's all wins and losses. You can be the nicest guy in the world going out the door. But I think maybe they see that continuity does matter because they went through so many people so fast in the Browns history that they are trying to copy the Steelers a little bit.

1:24:43And, hey, let's keep our guys, let's keep our coaches, let's keep some continuity, and we'll put it together.

1:24:48Pat McAfee:All right, let's go to and stay in the AFC North with another BS or no BSBA. Somebody said it, and it was a lot of people, the Ravens are in a lot of trouble. Okay, that's just a quote. Is that BS or no BSBA? That's no BS. I just can't imagine the Ravens giving up 44 points at home. I mean, having gone through the dogfights that we've had in that stadium, it's embarrassing. It really is for that defense to play like that. But I don't think – I still think Baltimore is going to make the playoffs. Hold on. So there's still the odds-on favorite to win the AFC North right now too. Well, you know, they got the Rams.

1:25:23If they've pulled this one out with all the injuries, they do have a ton of injuries now. They can pull off one at home against the Rams. They get the bye week. They get guys back, and then they hit their in-division schedule, which isn't that hard on paper. So I think they can still pull it out.

1:25:39Pat McAfee:You got hope for the Ravens still? I really do, yeah. The defense has been a massive question mark, not just this season. Last year, too, the first 10 weeks, I believe, the defense was a massive question mark. Then they were able to figure it out. What are they not doing, just everything? Because we watched some of the lowlights, and it's like, wow, this team sucks. They're playing defense like a team that stinks. They don't look like the Baltimore Ravens at all, to your point. I mean, they can't stop the run. Obviously, they missed Madupe. Madupe. Madupe. And that's a huge loss. But then when Marlin's out, Hamilton's out, it's like, okay, now they're throwing it on us, too.

1:26:10I mean, they're all out. So, hopefully they get them all back. Humphrey's public.

1:26:14Pat McAfee:He got a terrible stat here. Yeah, because he's doing his podcast. Can't do it. But he was bummed out, which I appreciate. Hembo sent over a stat that people are not going to want to hear. Hey, Budda, close your ears and eyes. You too, Stavi. Ravens defense, how bad is it? Hembo's writing this entire thing. We did not edit any of this. Josh Allen this season, MVP betting favorite currently. 1 ,217 pass yards, nine touchdowns, two interceptions, eight sacks, 72.1 QBR. Taking on the Ravens this year, 1 ,312 yards, 13 touchdowns, one interception, six sacks, 73.2 QBR. You play like an MVP. Literally, the betting favorite MVP is what they're averaging giving up.

1:26:51Pat McAfee:So if you play the Ravens every single week and you're a quarterback, odds on betting favorite right now you would be to win the MVP. That's not good. No, it's not. That's not Baltimore. That's not Raven football. That's not Baltimore. No. Yeah, there's a crazy stat actually with it not being Baltimore. I saw it just on the internet earlier. In 2000, when it was, you know, Baltimore, Ray Lewis. I just sent it in. Oh, you did? Yep. Oh, okay. Go ahead, go ahead. But they gave up like 140 points in that season. And through five weeks, the Ravens have given up like 172 points. Yeah, there it is. Jeez Louise.

1:27:25That's absurd.

1:27:27Pat McAfee:There's a lot of those stats happening. Week five? Yeah, it's early in the season. That's insane. Yeah, it's not – and I think that's why Baltimore Ravens fans have just – they've like almost comically given up because they're like, what is this? Yeah. You know, like I think they're kind of blindsided, almost like Chris Jones was. I'm not – I think Chris Jones was just, what the – He thought he was down. He thought he was down, I think, multiple times. Now, when that guy's running by him and he just kind of watching him, that's not a good look at all. But I do think Chris Jones was kind of hypnotized by the whole thing.

1:27:57Pat McAfee:Like, what is it? The guy just fell twice. I saw him fall two times. He's getting crushed for good reason. And I assume Chris Jones feels terrible. If he was to talk about it after watching the film, he would probably say this is disgusting. But it's not a good look. It's certainly not a good look. Every D-lineman you've been around, you've been around some great ones, Hall of Famers. When you see a quarterback on the ground, what? Dive, steal it. Dive, tap one. Just get a touch. You want a sack, a half a sack. So it's no excuse for this. And Chris Jones is obviously a great player. He's been a great player for a long, long time.

1:28:30I haven't seen this. This is the – I remember the first – was it the first week when they played the Chargers? And he went inside and Herbert broke the edge and basically sealed the game slot. And you saw Drew Tranquil, I believe, kind of going after him. And I don't know what exactly that conversation was. And even earlier in this game down the stretch, he did the same inside move and Trevor Lawrence scrambled to the outside. So I would assume that Spagg's probably having some tough conversations in front of the unit, knowing him and how he operates, probably Andy Reid the same way because you go as that guy goes, you know, on the defensive side of the ball, and it's been that way for a long time.

1:29:02Pat McAfee:He's been a game wrecker for a long time down there. We have another move, another signing. We were just talking about this defense. CJ GJ will be joining the Baltimore Ravens now. Here we go. Congratulations, CJ GJ. He's with the Houston Texans earlier in the year. Gets cut. We hear nothing about it. We thought we'd hear a story, nothing. Really came out. Just kind of, CJ, GJ's gone now. He was just playing. He was a starter for him. Now he's gone. Well, what happened? He talked shit to Baker, pissed him off, and then they came back and won, so we cut him. Yeah, I don't like it so good. Okay.

1:29:34Pat McAfee:Wait, didn't you know that was going to happen when you were signing CJ? Kind of his thing. In the scouting report, did it not say, hey, CJ, GJ, going to stir it up a little bit? Is that good for Baltimore? I mean, we're talking about Baltimore. They might need that personality. Legit. Bring a little swagger in there. bring a little shit talk and let's get back to Ravens football. AJ, how do you feel? But I see you nodding yes along with this story. Yeah. I mean, like you said, there's no financial impact. He's getting paid by the Texans. They got to do something to wake him up. You got to do something to get some kind of juice, bring some kind of energy.

1:30:01And we know CJ and GJ, he's not going to go in there and just be a, what do you call it? Like whatever, a wallflower and hang out. He's going to go out there and let his presence be known. So maybe that's what they need back there.

1:30:11Pat McAfee:So, the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, made Chris Jones quit. Okay, because they're relentless. They're 4-1. They're tied for a lead in the AFC. Houston Texans move on from CJGJ, blow out two teams in a row. Okay, Houston Texans all of a sudden, juggernaut yet again. Tennessee Titans don't look now. They just caused another team to have the worst loss in the history of sports, is what people are saying, including a doopety-dooty, wooty-wooty, kicking of a ball, touchdown, that's out of a movie. You know, that doesn't normally happen. Player dropping a ball. I might call the coach, punch a guy.

1:30:48Pat McAfee:And he did. And now they're going to talk about it. And then you talk about the last team in the AFC South. The final BS or no BS. This is coming from the greatest division in all of the NFL right now. Colts are the best team in the NFL. Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? That is no BS. When you look at Portrait, plus 74. I mean, they're one player away from 5-0. Yeah. And then the difference would be higher. I mean, Detroit is close. They're a plus 62. And that would be a great game right now. Detroit-Indy. Detroit-Indy would be a hell of a game right now. Maybe it'll happen later in the year. Well, I like the fact that you're saying the Colts are the best team in the NFL.

1:31:30Pat McAfee:It seems like a lot more people are coming around to this conversation. Because all of a sudden, we're after week five. We have no more undefeateds. We only have teams that have one blemish on them. Oh, how many of them? Oh, three in the entire AFC. Remember how packed out the AFC is? Remember how great every team is going into the season? The Colts have no chance. What are we talking about? They're fans. I don't know if they're fans, actually. The people that are active representing the Colts on the internet did an athletic poll. 94 % negative optimism coming into the season. They got Danny Dimes starting their ex.

1:31:57Pat McAfee:This guy sucks. Has sucked. Always will suck. And all of a sudden, what we got? We got a big, strong, fast team. Like, our team is big. Our team is strong. And our team is fast. That is just, that moves, that travels, that wins games, and we got a quarterback that can make the throw, that is going to have to make the throw. He doesn't have bad balls. Like, you watch him play the game. We're there watching every single snap, literally. Tyler Warren, obviously an incredible weapon, always in his eyesight, always in his vision, which is good. But every throw that he makes is a good throw. And it's like even his incompletions are either good decisions or good throwaways or, you know, in an area that could have definitely been caught, it was just dropped.

1:32:37Pat McAfee:He's not, like, missing guys. There's not a bad decision coming. It's like everything he's doing is right at the position that we need it to be. But it's not just him. He has ignited everybody else and elevated everything else that we have. The Colts are in a good position. I think we can win playoff games, too, with the way we're built right now. Oh, there's no doubt. Just got to stay healthy. I mean, that's a big thing for all these teams right now. It's just October. There's a long way to go. And staying healthy is huge. That offensive line, if they can keep them together, Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones is going to be really good.

1:33:06Pat McAfee:I like that. Indiana Jones, obviously an absolute dog. AJ, your thoughts on this Colts team? Because you've even come around, which he was not about for a long time. No, he wasn't. AJ used to laugh at the Colts. Oh, yeah. Every week, Colts would be getting five. I think I wasn't the only one. I was not the only one. There's been some times when things weren't as great. Chris Bowden's got to be feeling pretty good right now, doesn't he? I mean, people were killing him last year. We know that. But I'm with you. And it starts up front. Like B.A. mentioned, watch a lot of those highlights and clips.

1:33:36Like, he's throwing from a nice, clean pocket usually. And if he does get flushed, we know that he's athletic enough to move around and keep his eyes downfield and find these great targets. Like, haven't Tyler Warren? I mean, come on now. That guy is such a freak. But you're right, Pat. It builds everyone else around him up. Like, imagine some of those guys that have been there for a little while on offense thinking like, wow, I can really put up some numbers. We can be an explosive offense. And they've truly shown that through, what, five weeks now.

1:34:01Pat McAfee:Quentin Nelson has to be so happy. You know, those offensive linemen that have been through it here. been through it yes big time being through a lot hey go out there hand-to-hand combat run your face into somebody for who new quarterback okay does that guy even know the place no but you gotta is this what my nfl career is gonna be like quentin nelson drafted top 10 as a guard and all it has been is just like a turnover of quarterbacks new system new quarterback new bummer new disappointment new loss new way of doing it and then all of a sudden now he is a vocal leader on the team and they got a quarterback that can do everything that Shane Steichen wants to do.

1:34:35Pat McAfee:It's fun to watch. And then on the defensive side of the ball, Lou Anarumo, I got to talk to Carly Ursa. I think I talked about this yesterday a good bit, but she's like, I chart the play calls for offense and defense. What she does, just kind of catch a rhythm, try to learn what it is, see what's going on because she's going to have to hire people, she said, going forward. So I'd like to know what the hell's going on as opposed to not knowing what's going on. And she's like, Lou's defense, there's a lot more, like there's a lot more options for the players. You can't just do that with any group, right?

1:35:02Pat McAfee:Like we talked to Steve Spagnuolo a couple years ago whenever they're going through their Super Bowl run and defense was carrying him. He's defense coordinator for the Chiefs. He's a GOAT. He'll be in the Hall of Fame. All three coordinators for the Chiefs will go in the Hall of Fame. Defense coordinator certainly would do that. And he said, normally you have like one or two guys that are kind of like, I guess on defense side, middle linebacker or quarterback on the field. He said all 11 guys are like very high football IQ guys. So they can do a lot more. You can make a lot more checks. You can change, I think, coverages on the fly.

1:35:28Pat McAfee:You can change fronts. I think Lou Anarumo expects our guys to do that as soon as he got here, and we've invested in the pieces on the defensive side. So Danny Dimes, a big storyline on the offense. Lou Anarumo coming in defense and the money we put in, seems like we got the right guys over there too. What is Lou's defense like, and what does it mean whenever they say the ad checks and shit like that, whenever you're an offensive coordinator looking at that type of defense? Yeah, they're very sound. I mean, and it's like D-Buds always says, 11 playing together. They're 11 playing together, but they added some good leadership.

1:36:00Bynum, some of those guys, great pickups for Chris Ballard, just class guys who are extremely bright guys but can still play the game. And they're fun to watch.

1:36:09Pat McAfee:What does that mean whenever they talk about the added elements of that shit? The biggest advantage when having smart players that communicate is because as a defensive play caller, the only thing you have available to you is, you know, the personnel that's in the huddle, you know where the ball is on the field, and then the field position. So your players, once they come out, once you get a formation, Now the players, that's when the pros start to make those adjustments. Hey, alert, 11. You know, that may be the gadget guy, the reverse guy. This is the speed guy. Hey, speed at three. And then you adjust whatever call is sent in by that defense.

1:36:41So you become an extension of that defensive coordinator. And you can almost massage that coverage or that play call. I'm sure AJ had to do this a ton to put your players in a better situation. So let's say we got a slot blitz on for me. I'm a nickel blitzer. but now we got Tyreek Hill in the position that's going to put, you know, AJ in the position to cover Tyreek. I look at AJ, he'll look at me. Bill check, Bill check, Bill check. You know what I mean? I'm taking that blitz from you, D-Bud. Exactly, exactly. Or he'll be the, hey, D-Bud, D-Bud. You know, and that'll just be an automatic switch, and we're not thinking.

1:37:12If it's young players or maybe players that just kind of don't have it, then you kind of just start, hey, the coach called it. We're just going to play it. So that's when players can kind of bail their coaches out in a sense. Like, the coach is making a good call, but now as a player, it's our job to be pros as well to find better answers because we got more information. So that's the biggest advantage, biggest difference. That's why Belichick was so good so many years, and he had certain staples of those defense, whether it was Wilford, whether it was McCourty, Chung, like those guys, obviously Brewski, Mayo, to make those extra communications post-breaking the huddle that kind of puts you in, like, advantageous situations as a defender.

1:37:48Pat McAfee:AJ, so those play calls, you've been through a couple different different defense coordinators at the NFL level, and obviously the game change as well. Is he adding checks to you whenever he's handling those in there? And is that similar to what the offense is doing as well? Like, what are you hearing? We heard Chase Daniel. He did. There's a lot of info he was given. A lot of info coming at a lot of time. I've never had that helmet, so I have no idea what's happening. My defense helmet never really had that much. Yeah. Yeah, but it was defense. It's different. Yeah, but you're making obviously close right, close left.

1:38:19Pat McAfee:that's happening and then all the other little discussions or decisions that are being made it comes from a high football iq group or is it a lot of like install that this is happening it's all of it it's all the walkthroughs like it and i think when young players realize early on like they sometimes people view walkthrough and stuff as like a punishment oh i gotta get through this like no man we're doing this right now so we can pick it up when we're doing this walkthrough pace when it's super slow we're going through all the checks so we get out the practice field we don't look stupid when they run this against us.

1:38:49We want to make sure we have it all so then we're ready in the game. You do that all week leading up to the game. But D-Butt highlights it perfectly. Players can cover up. What do offenses want to do? They want to get matchups. So they're thinking, all right, say Tyreek Hill is in the slot. I'm supposed to carry this dude now because D-Butt splits it. Now, here we go. Let's check out of this. And you always can't do that. Some teams say you've got a new guy, inexperienced. You try to do that at the snap or right before the snap, and you're both not on the same page. Boom. That's how you get guys running free.

1:39:15That shouldn't ever happen in the NFL. So the fact that you could do that and the more game reps you get at that, it builds your confidence too. Like, hey, man, they can throw whatever they want at us on offense. We have answers to everything that they're going to throw at us. And I think with Lou Anaromo and great D coordinators, they give you that confidence to make those checks in game, I guess.

1:39:36Pat McAfee:So offensively, we're only five games into Danny Dimeshane's like an experience. He's already checking and seeing everything. And defensively, we're only five games into the Lou Anaromo defense. Yeah. boys there is a new sheriff back in time okay that is all everybody needs to know but also congrats to the boys they've had to work really hard this has been a shite show a little bit here in indianapolis so them being able to turn around is much better than where we were beforehand i appreciate you boys breaking down that defense now let's break down a sport that's also having massive moments that maybe we don't all get to follow along with because nfl football is happening which we can't be doing that Thursday nights and Monday nights.

1:40:17Pat McAfee:But ladies and gentlemen, baseball is in the middle of their playoffs and it has been spectacular. Ty, what did we miss? Yeah, it has been spectacular. Obviously tough when you have an unbelievable Monday night football game like that. But two great playoff baseball games last night start in the NLDS with the Phillies and the Dodgers. Pitching a duel all the way until the 7th. And this is when you just know it's not your night. Quique Hernandez breaks his bat, but still Teoscar Hernandez beats the throw, and the Dodgers go up 1-0, and then Will Smith put a quarter in the merry-go-round. He loops one into left center.

1:40:53Dodgers score two more runs to go up 3-0, and then Shohei to top it off. Lines one up the middle, and the Dodgers score another run to take a 4-0 lead. And then we're going to go to the bottom of the ninth. Nick Cassianos, 4-0, loops one into left field. scores two runs for the Phillies, 4-2. They got a little bit of life here. A little bit of life. Or 4-3, excuse me. So they're down one run. Bryson Stott with no outs tries to bunt Castellanos over in the Cardinals. You cannot make really any out at third base in this situation. Trey Turner lines one up the middle. And boy, does Freddie Freeman save Tommy Edmonds' ass.

1:41:32He scoops the ball there. And that is a final. the Dodgers go on to win 4-3 and take a 2-0 lead over the Phillies. That was an unbelievable game. Like I said, it was a pitching duel throughout, but the Dodgers are inevitable, unfortunately. That's kind of just the way it goes. And then in the NL, we just said the other day, the Brewers kind of nickel and dime people. They just hit singles and singles and singles and score runs. Not last night. Shoto Imanaga in the bottom of the first inning. Andrew Vaughn. I'm pretty sure this may have hit the International Space Station or the Hubble Telescope.

1:42:10He hits this thing so high, so high. Three-run homer to tie the game. Electric environment there. And then in the bottom of the third, Wilson Contreras. He may have hit this ball 1 ,000 feet. I mean, that was just a mistake by Imanaga. The Brewers take a 4-3 lead. And then lastly, we'll move on to the bottom of the third, Jackson Churio. He's only 21 years old. This guy is a postseason phenom. Almost gets robbed. Just kidding. That is way out. Three-run homer to center. And that's all the Brewers would need. They win 7-3 over the Cubs and take a 2-0 lead over the Cubs.

1:42:47Pat McAfee:Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who manages that Brewers team that hit ding-dong after ding-dong last night. I believe he was named Coach of the Year for baseball. He also won into the Irish-American Baseball Hall of Fame. Go. Ladies and gentlemen, living legend in the baseball world, manager for the Brewers, Pat Murphy. Sláinte, Coach. How you doing? Great, thanks. Thank you for joining us. Big night last night for the boys. Hey, I got a chance to meet a couple of your guys, Miz and McGill, at the Home Run Derby. Their vibes were immaculate. I think that's a big part of your team.

1:43:23Pat McAfee:Best record in baseball this year. The vibes in the locker room. Clubhouse. Clubhouse. Great with this team? Is this a very tight team, and can you feel that? Yeah, it's a great bunch of guys. You know, nobody expected them. Nobody predicted us to be over 500. You know, we didn't sign a lot of free agents. We didn't sign any, really, but, you know, we didn't do a lot of the trade deadline. People just didn't expect us to be in this position, but it's because of the guys in the room. They care about each other. It sounds corny, but it's real, and we have a team. We still have a lot to do. Tell me about Miz a little bit, okay?

1:43:59Pat McAfee:because obviously last night I think he had like 30 pitches over 100 miles an hour. I forget what it was. It was an astronomical number. It was the most amount of pitches over 100 miles an hour in an outing in forever or something like that. The records now with how fast guys are throwing the ball are seemingly being broken every single night in baseball, which I think is a good thing. But whenever I got to see him, he was at the All-Star break, and there was a lot of people pissed off that he was an All-Star because he only had five starts or whatever it was. And his mindset was, he didn't care.

1:44:26Pat McAfee:I'm at the All-Star game. I don't really care at all. It was an incredible old-school type, leadership type vibe from him, whenever he was talking about ball. What have you seen from him in his young career? And 104 or whatever, I think. 104.8. Let's call it 105. 105? Is he only going to throw fat? Are we going to get 110 from this guy at some point? What do we see from him, and what are your thoughts on him and his young career thus far? Well, Pat, he gets a lot of attention as a young player, and that's a blessing and a curse. Um, you know, he's done some really good things for us. The, the miles per hour thing, um, in the baseball world, it's, it's not as important as we make it out to be.

1:45:09It's just, it's kind of a enigma that people kind of say, wow, you know, like 103, 104, these players can time up anything, um, if they know it's coming. But, uh, when they haven't seen a guy and they haven't seen his delivery, that type of thing, it can be thing. But the thing we got to have Miz do is throw strikes. Um, he's got to mature. He's a great kid. We call him Forrest Gump. You know, he kind of doesn't know what's happening to himself. He's got a lot to learn. He did a great job for us last night. He's been through the ups and downs. He gets a lot of attention because of that Miles Prowler thing.

1:45:42And there's a lot more to our team than Miz. No disrespect to him at all, but even he's uncomfortable with it, I think.

1:45:48Pat McAfee:Agreed. But I'll tell you what, you see 104.8, it's hard not to go, holy fuck. That is really fair. It's hard not to. You know, it's hard not to do that. But it seems like your team, everybody was pawning off kind of credit to everybody else, which is good culture, obviously. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Coach, speaking of that culture, you as a coach, as a manager, we talk about coaches all the time in the NFL that seem like, hey, like they're on the verge of a heart attack at all times because there's so much pressure on them. And winning is almost a relief and not fun. Like, how are you able – like, you look like you're having fun.

1:46:20It definitely feels like I think it trickles down through your team. Have you always been that type of manager, or was there ever a time you weren't? Well, I mean, you grow. You're all under construction, right? You're always growing. You're always changing. People who know me close know that I like to have a good time. I like to mess around. It's the only way I can exist. As a manager, I come off real intense and real, you know, whatever. But we're not all that important, to be honest with you. You know, you've got a good group and you set the standards high and the right players stand for the right stuff.

1:46:58You've got a chance to have a good team. In our game, it's kind of complex. I'm a football person by nature, and I think that kind of helps you in our game once in a while, but not too much. But it helps you. But, yeah, I mean, I think it's about having the right guys. I think our role in this whole thing is a little bit overrated.

1:47:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's what a great leader would say. And just like we just said about Mays and everybody else, we're deflecting, we're deflecting. Hey, you matter, bud. That's why you're in the Irish-American Baseball Hall of Fame. Amen. Okay, and because you're in the Irish Baseball-American Hall of Fame, we know you like to have a good time. Okay, so we just naturally understand who you are, but I appreciate your leadership style, especially because it's working. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Pat, how important is it once you get into the postseason to be able to win in a multitude of ways? Because we've seen with how great the pitching has been this postseason.

1:47:47You get a team like a Yankees, you can't out-slug everyone. You've got to be able to put runners on and move them over and be okay winning 2-1 games. And you guys are obviously great at that, but then you have a game like last night where if you need to out-slug someone, you can. You can go out and hit three homers. how important is that come postseason and how much confidence does that give you every single night when you guys go to play yeah I mean that's the thing it's similar to football right like you got to be able to beat teams in different ways if you just you throw the ball you open up everything and that's all you can do well that could be problematic too you got to be able to stop the run you got to be able to rush the passer you got to be able to special teams you know got to be able to do some things We know ball.

1:48:32Pat McAfee:Hey, we know ball over there. Maybe the Irish-American Football Hall of Fame next. Hell yeah. Probably could have been, to be honest with you, but we'll say that for another time. Anyway, yeah, no, I think that it's true in every sport, right? You've got to be able to beat people in more than one way, and we've got a group of guys that we call them cliffhangers, you know, guys that don't know if their locker is going to be there when they get back after the game. They've been up and down from AAA. They've been DFA'd. They've been through it. The game has humbled them at times, and those are the type players that are hungry.

1:49:06And again, hungry players can do a lot of things.

1:49:09Pat McAfee:Yeah, we're seeing that in college ball with a lot of the transfer portal guys, guys that have been kind of overlooked all coming together on teams and doing a great job. I like to hear that that mentality is kind of transferring into baseball as well at this moment, especially with you guys. Everybody's hunting you right now. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Skip, during the season this year, was there a moment where you realized, like, okay, we've got a special group here. You know, the vibes in here are different. Everyone is getting along. And also, you know, we're slapping the ball the other way whenever we want.

1:49:38Is this kind of a feeling you have where this feels as though you're about to go on a very historic and magical run? Well, I mean, you know, we had a special group last year and we won the league by 10 games. Again, unexpected. People were calling it going to be a rebuild and the team just just performed. And then we got knocked off in the first round in a dramatic fashion. And I think they remember that. And then coming back this year, we lost two of our great players and didn't really replace them with that much that people would know. But we replaced them with people that are the right people.

1:50:15And then the season got off to a slow start. We were 0-4. People were really worried about us. And then we just kind of – there was a spot. There was a spot in Pittsburgh. We're on the road. It's a dreary day. There's 350 people in the stands and we're down in the game. And we've got like three or four at bats in a row. O2 count to base hit. O2 count to ball four. O2 count double in the corner. O2 count double in the corner. And I'm like, now that's the edge we're talking about. you know like using every pitch and staying on it that was pretty special so that kind of opened the door and it's baseball's a long season man it's a long yeah yeah it is it is i don't know how you guys do it to be honest yeah it's um yeah it's um it's kind of the spot i i felt like things

1:51:11Pat McAfee:kind of started its turn coach i just read uh we should have looked this up earlier murphy served as the head baseball coach and assistant football coach for the Maryville College Fighting Scots in 1983. Wow. 1982 and 83. And then Claremont College, I was football, baseball too. I had aspirations going on to coach college football. When I got to Notre Dame, Coach Holtz was so great. Barry Alvarez was there. They became great friends, and they knew kind of my mentality of, like, I love this stuff. I'd sit in meetings. so McPhee I got a punt play that I want to know if you know about okay so they snap it to you okay and you instead of kicking it you throw a spiral straight down the field okay you're you're you're you're outside men the returner has no idea you've thrown it he thinks you've kicked it your outside people go down it's called your gunners right yep they go down and they run under it and either catch it or run into the guy going to receive it.

1:52:15Even if he fair catches, they run in. Because if it's really high, you throw it really high, they're going to fair catch it. You have your guy just try to catch it or run into that guy, pass interference, and we're rolling. Have you ever done that? Have you ever heard of it?

1:52:30Pat McAfee:So there's no pass interference on punt plays. I have heard of it and thought of it. It's not a punt play. It's a punt. Yeah, but it's a punt formation. So Shane Leckler actually did this a couple times, where he would crow hop low and then throw it, and they would try to steal it down to a gunner, though. They would throw it towards a gunner and hope that the people that were blocking him didn't think it, especially in the pooch territory, because corners bail on gunners in the pooch area. So I think what you're saying might innovate and change the game. That might change the entire game. And also, no, you win a World Series right now.

1:53:03Pat McAfee:Still got time to come coach some football. Yeah, exactly. No, still got time over here in the football world. We appreciate you joining us. We thank you for the time. Good luck the rest of the way, and we can't wait to chat with you soon. Thanks, man. Not a bad idea there. Ladies and gentlemen, Irish-American baseball Hall of Famer, coach of the year, Cameron. Yay! Skip! It's not a bad idea. So punt formation, even if it's a throw, doesn't change. No pass interference. That's wild. I didn't know that. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, because the jammers, it would be. Yeah, kind of PI every time. The whole time, basically.

1:53:39Pat McAfee:I think they got rid of me, yeah. But if not, we should back shoulder every fucking – All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Nailed it. Nailed it. Yep. Nailed it the entire thing. He wants to say, hold on, he's still on. Pat, sorry, we had a heart out there. I had to get out of there. No, I got to clarify this because I gave this play to Skip Holtz and he ran it at Connecticut and they won. They scored on a third and a fourth and 19. And this has got to be 2000 and whatever Skip was at Connecticut. And I used to draw it up for Holtz, and Holtz would be like, God damn it, Murphy. If we got to play the University of Air Force and beat him with the punt play, we're in trouble.

1:54:27Perfect.

1:54:28Pat McAfee:That's a good thing to have in the back pocket, though, Coach. That's all I'm saying. Oh, that's genius. But I didn't understand it. If he fair catches it, if he calls for a fair catch and I run into him, but it's a thrown ball. Why wouldn't it be interference? So I think, so at that, I mean, this might be, I might be completely wrong, but I think they have gotten to the point where there's no pass interference on punt formation plays. I think like when they ran it then, they might've still had it, but I think they've gotten to the point and it's mostly because what guys used to do to gunners, guys would throw it to gunners and there would always be.

1:55:00And they're getting pushed. Right.

1:55:01Pat McAfee:Some sort of thing. So if you just get in the area, it's like a PI. So I think they got it rid of it. But I love that you're thinking of ideas for punters to shine. Let's definitely keep that going. One last thing. Garrett Green, West Virginia quarterback the last three years, his father is one of my staff members here with the Brewers, Charlie. And Charlie, I signed Charlie to come to Notre Dame in 1988. Now he's on my staff in the big leagues. There you go. And his son, Garrett, quarterback of West Virginia for two or three years, is now with Tampa Bay in the practice roster. He's went from quarterback to gunner, returning punts, all that kind of shit.

1:55:46So it's pretty special. We pull for him.

1:55:49Pat McAfee:Gigi ran wild all over for West Virginia. We're very appreciative of him. You talk about having his dad and now he's on your staff. That happened with council, right? Isn't this like a massive piece of the entire storyline of this particular series, right, isn't it? How is that for you? I coached him at Notre Dame for four years. He hated me, wanted to kill me. But then we just kept talking when he got into pro ball. And then when he got the job with the Brewers, I was with the Padres, and he brought me over. And I was his bench coach for eight years. And, you know, I was supposed to be mentoring him.

1:56:20But to be honest with you, he taught me a lot about, you know, it's like going from college football to the NFL. It's like totally fucking different. And Counts was really – I was supposed to be mentoring him, but the truth was he mentored me on the major league game.

1:56:35Pat McAfee:That's amazing. Well, good luck to you, Coach. We appreciate the hell out of you. And, hey, any more ideas for the punters? Let's send those. Yeah. Yeah, let's send those. You're the man. Pat Murphy, appreciate it. Yeah. That guy's awesome. What a legend. They're special. Holy fuck. They're a special team. Now, I definitely knew of the Irish-American Baseball Hall of Fame inductee. Yeah. Coach of the Year. sorry, manager of the year Pat Murphy. I knew of his existence. Pancakes in the back pocket I believe Trisha Whitaker Indiana, university grad former Indianapolis sports reporter she does a lot with MLB and she does a lot in the baseball world.

1:57:16Pat McAfee:She did an interview with him. This guy pulled a fucking pancake out of his back pocket. Yep, after game, middle game there's Pancake right here. They're wonderful. You want some? He's a gentle giant, obviously. Offer stuff a little bit. Those are delicious. Pizza, bagels, what else do you keep in your pocket? Whatever fits. Whatever fits. There you go. You heard it here from Pat Murphy first. So I've seen, I know of Pat Murphy. God, it was great talking to him. Baseball got through. He feels like a BA of baseball right there. Like a lifer. What are your thoughts on him? Oh, he's awesome, man.

1:57:50And just watching his journey. You're pulling for guys like that, man. I'm hoping they win it all.

1:57:55Pat McAfee:25-year collegiate coaching career. Hall of Famer in there, I think. Considered legend. Oh, yeah. And then comes over to the majors now, and he's got the team with the best record in the entire league. I mean, you talk about them being able to win a multitude of ways, and then he just starts breaking down, yeah, dipshit, you got to be able to win in different ways. That's real, though, because teams like – I mean, the Dodgers, their lineup is so good. But you look at the Phillies and the Yankees, They can do things multiple ways, but with how much money they've spent on guys, their objective is, hey, we're going to get guys on base with walks, and we're going to hit homers, and we're going to basically just fucking pound you into submission.

1:58:37We're going to try to put a crooked number up on the scoreboard early, and then you're basically just – it's very hard to beat a team when they just jump on you early like that, especially in the playoffs, because it throws your entire plan off. Like, all these guys have plans going into the games. Hey, we want the starter to go five innings or six innings, and then we can get to our horses in the bullpen. So, like, some of these teams who play like that, that's the whole objective. It's like, hey, if we score seven runs in the second inning, that fucks up their entire plan, and then it's kind of just like, we'll see what they do.

1:59:09Well, yeah, if we can hit seven home runs.

1:59:11Pat McAfee:No, I'm saying seven runs off. Like, you maybe hit two homers. Like, what they did last night, they hit three homers, but they scored seven runs. But you all year have been talking about the Yankees. Like, we hit bombs. And for me, I don't know a lot about baseball. But what, all you think is a couple games not doing that in all of a sudden? Yeah. Well, that's NCAA basketball. Guys get in the tournament, a team's a three-point shooting team, and they have one off night, and they get upset. West Virginia, Pat Beline, Kevin Pitts not going to boys. That entire run. Baseball's a series, I guess, so that protects against at least three, five games.

1:59:41Yeah, you assume that at some point it'll come in. But, like, the Yankees led the majors in homers this year. And because they have, like, a short porch in right field, like, that is part of the makeup of their team. It's like, hey, we have this kind of advantage here. let's get some big lefty bats and take advantage of that because not everyone plays with that type of situation. It's like Tony and Swarber being a leadoff hitter. Exactly. With 50-plus home runs. Yeah. They're trying to hit bomb. We're putting you under the ring.

2:00:06Pat McAfee:Right now. I appreciate that aggressive mentality. But what, it takes one bad night, but you're hoping that four of your guys don't have bad nights on the same night. Yeah, exactly. You just assume, hey, someone will pick somebody up here. If we can just get one person on base, and then it might not be a homer, but like these teams that slug, it might be a double end of the gap or whatever the case may be. And the Brewers are just getting go one. Well, you heard what he said. He was like, you know, a lot of times we're out there, when he kind of noticed it was special, it was like we get a single and then we get down, someone is down 0-2 in a count and they work a walk and then the next guy hits a single and then another guy's down 0-2 and then they hit a double and now, boom, we've scored two runs and it's just like you're making that pitcher work so hard.

2:00:46And then on top of it, like he mentioned it and we talked to the guy, like a lot of guys throw hard. there aren't a lot of guys throwing 105 and who have a fucking wipeout slider like Jacob Mizorowski does. Like, it's just, if that guy's on, he's damn near unhittable.

2:01:01Pat McAfee:I like that he said, yeah, the number's certainly something, but anybody can square that up. So, at this age. That's kind of my. We need him to throw strikes. That's my whole point about Shohei. It's like, look how many guys are throwing 100. Like, everyone throws 100. So, it's like, he's maybe, he's like a top 30 pitcher, top 20 pitcher in the majors, but he's focusing on that, and he strikes out four times at the plate. Like, it kind of just – it's astonishing how many of these guys are throwing 101, 102 every fucking pitch. It's crazy. Yeah, and then the junk that comes alongside of it. You know, Paul Skeens is still adding pitches.

2:01:36Pat McAfee:Yeah. He's still adding pitches. Miz, this guy had five starts before the All-Star break, adding pitches. Yeah. He started, I think – he did the single A, double A, triple A. He was on buses. Oh, yeah. I think he did the whole professional baseball gimmick to get to where he was. Because that's what he said. He's wild. He throws hard, and it's very scary as a hitter facing a guy who you don't know if he's going to throw 105 right down the middle or it's going to hit you in the fucking head. I don't like that. I don't mind a little. I don't mind a little. Is this guy going to take care? Efficiently wild.

2:02:07Pat McAfee:Efficiently wild? Yeah. That's not a bad way to be described. There's a little bit of an outlaw mentality up there on the mound. Trevor Lawrence. Let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll wrap up all the storylines we haven't chatted about. And I think B.A. is going to make some putts today. Hell yeah. Here we go, B.A. Ready. Especially now you're 73. It feels like this is the right year. Definitely. That was cool talking to him. Yeah, he's the man. So I'm just going to act like any time baseball comes into a conversation when I'm not on air, I just can't wait to go. Talk to Pat Murphy. If you don't have a team, too, it's impossible not to love the Brewers because they don't have any massive stars.

2:02:46They don't have a huge payroll. They're in a small market, and they're the best team in baseball.

2:02:50Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, pick up the Brewers if you need one, but also maybe that Toronto team. We'll see. They just beat the hell out of the game. It's not over yet. Tonight's play tonight. I watched a clip today that Gumpy put out because there's a new episode of Rushmore on X. shout out to Talk, Dirty Bailey, D-Bone Foxy and team that have edited, produced and made this entire thing. Now we didn't shoot it or book it or do it. That's all Ari and Ben's work which they do a phenomenal job. Maybe the best guest lineup in the history of any show that has ever kind of been launched. Tom Brady Peyton Manning last week first episode was on ball catchers basically receivers.

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2:05:47Pat McAfee:football that's uh aj hawk directly to my left that's coach ba that is nine-year nfl vet darius j butler celebrating the drop of the puck on another season that's the toxic table at boston connor and at ty schmidt and let's head over to hammer tan tan what happened with the gambling last night. Congratulations to A.J. Hawk. A.J. moves to 12 and 3, I believe. No. You were 9 and 4, right? 12 and 3. You boys had good weekends. That's incredible. 12 and 3. It was an incredible weekend. Did we beat the sportsbooks? Did the public beat? Or did we lose again?

2:06:26Darius Butler:No, we lost again. Last night, 65 % was on the Kansas City Chiefs. I think that was to be expected because the Chiefs are the Chiefs in everyone's mind, and the Jags are the Jags in everyone's mind, even if you were on whatever side last night. And then I went back today, and I looked, because it was last week, or sorry, before this week, before week five started, teams that were getting 60 % or more of the public bet were 10-24 against the spread. Good news, this week, those teams went 3-6 against the spread. So now we are now 13-30 against the spread when teams are getting 60 % or more of the bets.

2:07:10Pat McAfee:Okay, do we know that information while we're making the picks? I know it's always like, hey, this is being reported from this sportsbook, this percentage, but we don't know what the overall is. I think there's some question marks on the percentage of money on what picks before the bet. And then obviously we know immediately afterwards because all the final tally is kind of released. Do we have that info going in? And are we going to learn our fucking lesson? We need to start thinking about this.

2:07:35Darius Butler:I think generally we know. And to your point, like someone will report like, here are the top five most bet on teams at ESPN bet. Here are the top five most bet on teams at so-and-so. Sometimes there's some differences, but normally, you know, just like polls, Pat, obviously they're generally correct. But we, yeah, I know. I was joking. We definitely know more after the fact because I definitely do question some of those numbers sometimes. But also, we give out those numbers on a Friday. And most people do their betting. If you're not a professional, most people aren't making their bets until Sunday morning.

2:08:12Darius Butler:So a lot more stuff comes in then.

2:08:14Pat McAfee:Yeah, so we need to be smarter. 13 to 30. What's so funny, D-Bud? Because we won't be. No, we need to be. We won't. We're locked in. That's the other half of the hammer. God. Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. And I don't want to hear it from you. I'm about sick of hearing fucking Muppets from some team doing something somewhere. You know, me and Gumpy, it's fall college game day season. So me and Gumpy traveling together. You know, Gumpy obviously and I spending time around each other. And I'll tell you what, it's always a nice refresher. Whenever you're around somebody that is literally betting on every sport that is happening, even the Shanghai Open.

2:08:53Pat McAfee:Shanghai Open. Yeah, yeah. Actually, yeah, Gump had a couple of locks from the Wuhan Open, and he bet on the Spurs to beat Guangzhou 119-88. That's what I'm saying. Wait, wait, wait. You say the Wuhan Open? Yeah, tennis. Is it the Wuhan Open or Shanghai? It's Wuhan Open. The Wuhan Open. The Women's Tennis Association. Come on. Sorry, they're saying like Wuhan back. Because remember when? Wuhan back. Wuhan back. They thought it was over, but Wuhan back. That was at the beginning of the recovery of the entire, we did it. We beat COVID. You remember those times? Those were happening. We celebrated that, what, 10 times we thought we beat?

2:09:31Pat McAfee:At least. There'd be an email from a league saying, guess what? We're packing a stadium this weekend. And we're like, we beat it. We started celebrating. And it turns out, nope, actually, this stadium over here is still doing a, there's another, what was it called whenever a bunch of them happened? The variant. Wave, obviously. Variant. Variant was a game changer. You guys thought Omicron? Yeah, right, dude. Super duper Alphatron is coming through. This one's like the OG 19 and then also has little shades of 17 and 18 as well. So we celebrated a bunch in its entirety, but I think Wuhan Open is something that Gumpy would gamble on.

2:10:13Pat McAfee:Being alongside Gumpy while he's going through all these bets and hearing about how good all the sportsbooks are doing, It has been very entertaining. Gumby, Liverpool is not showing up for you, or is it the Inter-Miami boys, or is it Barcelona or Real Madrid? I forget who it was. He has a couple go-tos that always show up for him. They haven't been showing up because they're a bunch of fucking knobs right now. Oh, no.

2:10:36Darius Butler:Liverpool's lost three straight. It's not good, but we're on an international break now for two weeks, so it's nothing but football. You know what's great, Pat, because you're obviously with him a lot during these. I also am as well. when Gums puts in a bet, he's 100 ,000 % correct. He knows that bet is going to hit. He is not... That man is never wishy-washy one time.

2:11:00Pat McAfee:Not one time. And then as it's happening, obviously he made the right decision. These fucking Muppets. Just the anger that comes from a notification. Fucking refs, man. A notification pops up on his phone. Okay, we're flying. We have spotty Wi-Fi. Spotty, spotty Wi-Fi. It's 5 a.m. in the morning. Spotty Wi-Fi. And we're just flying. And then all of a sudden, notifications will pop up on phone. And he has notifications set for every app in his phone, I think. I've never seen this many. They all show up at the same time. He's swiping through them. And all you'll see is, fuck. And then just a couple more.

2:11:38Pat McAfee:And then the Muppet or Knob or... I forget. There was one that he was running with there for a while. It was unbelievable. Gumpy, you're going to get him, bud.

2:11:48Darius Butler:Got him last night. Trevor Lawrence, Mahomes in the paint. We're back. We're in the green.

2:11:53Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah, you were jagging off. Yeah, we were seeing green. Yeah, you were. I certainly were. All right, we'll beat them. We will beat the sports books. You know, there's a couple things about this Chiefs team that are a little bit alarming, especially if you go back to when they were dominating everybody. They actually set NFL record for the amount of close games won in a season. John Ewing put out a tweet that kind of went on a run. It said, Chiefs in one-score games, 11-0, that was last year, and then 0-3 this year. They're not the only ones. Minnesota Vikings won 11-0 a couple years back in one-score games, and then the next year were not good in one-score games.

2:12:32Pat McAfee:And Hembo, whenever he delivered said stat, because those are NFL records, by the way, 11 one-score victories is the most. They are tied. Wow. So they were able to do that, and obviously that becomes the identity of the team. hey in these close games they're able to win it they're able to win it we thought that about the vikings and we carried that over in the next year and you remember we were losing a lot of bets on a lot of close games because they were when you talk about being able to win close games is that a skill is that uh is that a trait that a team has and maybe some teams don't have like how do you view that as a coach and do you know if your team has the ability to win these close games like how is the change for the chiefs go from 11 and 0 to 0 and 3 and the vikings how are they able to do 11 and then not somebody why do you think as a coach that happens and when do you know if your team is a team that can win those ones you would know by now this each year so different your teams change your your defensive guys change you lose some guys to free agents you bring some guys in you don't know how they're gonna act in that last two minutes i know i've been on the sideline where super bowl 43 we're gonna win this ben's gonna take us down the field to win.

2:13:38We got to go 92 yards. No panic. When your guys are on the sidelines, we got it. Right now the Bucs have it. I think their difference is like plus three, plus six, and they're four and one. Because if there's time on the clock, Baker's going to win the game. So they have that belief right now. And it starts to permeate through your whole locker room. So is it a belief of confidence? It is totally a belief and a confidence. Can you coach it?

2:14:03Pat McAfee:Can he create it if a team doesn't have it? I think you put your guys in enough situations in training in practice, especially in dual practices, in those situations that you get very comfortable. And so much of it is on your quarterback and so much of it is on your defensive line. Alright? Being able to get to the quarterback. For instance, the Browns winning that game. You know, Carson was clean. He was clean that last time. Yeah, this is... Hey, we paid you all this money. What are we doing? When we need you in London. And the Browns don't have that right now. They don't have the belief they're going to win this game.

2:14:39It's obvious because they can't win them. But other teams just, it's nothing, man.

2:14:45Pat McAfee:We got this. D-Bott, what are your thoughts? Can you learn that through a season, or does the team have it going into the game? I agree with everything Coach said. As far as every win, it just stacks that confidence and beliefs. And most of the time, the games come down to a two-minute drive, whether it's the end of half or the end of game, where as a defense, you know the situation. When that happened last night, most people didn't think when Trevor Lawrence, Before the kick, two timeouts left, a minute 45. If that was Patrick Mahomes getting the ball, 95 % of the public would be like, oh, they're going to go down and win the game.

2:15:13Live bet. With Trevor Lawrence, it was probably the opposite. I tweeted out, all right, can he answer? Can he respond? And he did. But now, going forward, when the Jaguars are in this situation again, as a team, even as a defensive player, when you stand on that sideline, you have confidence in that offense. And we do this shit. Every team does it, damn near every week, whether it's Thursdays or whenever it is, hey, two-minute drill. this is a situation one time out minute five left on the clock need a field goal whatever that situation is so when you get in that um in the actual game situation you're not really thinking you're just going through different things you have and then coaches when it comes to preparing these teams one thing in new england that we always did was gotta have the situation so whether it was like a 15 play script like okay what does this team go to and they're gotta have a situation that could be two-point plays that could be when i was playing fourth down going forward on fourth down wasn't that big, but hey, it may be a fourth and two or whatever.

2:16:06Okay, they're like sprint right option. They're like this. So what are the things that they lean on? Because most coaches, they're going to go back their best shit when the moment is in the biggest – when it's in the biggest moment. So it's preparation and then it's confidence that's built throughout that season.

2:16:20Pat McAfee:How about whenever you're 11-0 and then 0-3? Do you lose it? Do you lose confidence, AJ? Do you think they even doubt in themselves or do they just run into other teams that are willing to do it to them as well? I mean, I don't think a guy like Patrick Mahomes is losing confidence in what he is able to do, but maybe some guys around them are, I think, are standing around. I don't know. I can't speak for them, but I know in being places, like, sometimes you're waiting on somebody else to make the play. Like, when great teams that I've been on, you feel like, no, I'm going to go make this play. If you're on defense, we want to end this game.

2:16:49Like, we have, it's a belief in confidence. It truly is. But it definitely starts with a quarterback. You have to have a quarterback that's a stud that everyone says, hey, if we get this guy the ball, we know for sure he's going to take it down and score and get us this win. and you need to have a defense to where it's like, no, I'm not going to wait on somebody to make a play. I'm going to go make that play. And all 11 guys on that field are trying to be that dude and get off the field. I think, shoot, last night when Jacksonville scored, there was like 30 seconds left. Oh, shit, Mahomes going to take this back.

2:17:15He's going to get a field goal. It's like, that's going to happen. And you don't have a reason. The penalty before he even took a snap. Fucked him. And that's why football is like the ultimate team game. We always talk about complimentary football. But as great as the quarterback is, if they don't get put in the right situation, starting on the 30 as opposed to starting on the 13 is a huge difference. Or the 40. Yeah. So let's talk about these kickoffs.

2:17:39Pat McAfee:Let's talk about these kickoffs because you just mentioned it there with Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville having to start at the 40 because of kickoff out of bounds. There's been multiple now. Squibs hitting early, not landing in the landing zone and people getting the ball at the 40. Kickoff out of bounds here, ball at the 40. And then there's also been situations where they've pinned people because you have to kick it in there. and that's shown up big for them. This new kickoff, okay, with the 35-yard line as the new touchback line in the landing zone basically, it has forced teams to have to throw a strike.

2:18:11Pat McAfee:Like you have to throw a strike. You have to put the ball over the plate and you have to go make a tackle. So you're talking about third stringers. Guys that are just getting onto the team on Thursdays, okay, are going to be making huge plays. And if they just so happen to get a little peaky this way and the guy next to them on the other side happens to get a little peaky this way, that is a home run and this is exactly what the nfl was hoping the nfl was hoping the kickoff would become uh important again and there's numerous games now that we're thinking hey that ball lands before the landing zone that ball's at the 40 with the way kickers are kicking balls right now that's one first down and we got a fucking field goal at least it's like the kickoff is now very important very crucial at the end of games and you got to have a weapon kicking that ball you need some sort of coverage that can win a game for you, basically, at the end of it.

2:18:58I think it's changed everything, the K-ball especially. Because the kickers, I mean, Aubrey's going to kick a 70-yarder. You know he's going to make it. Case McLaughlin kicking a 65-yarder outside in Tampa Bay. It's crazy. But it's like, I would kick it out of the end zone. No, shit, they get it on the 35. It's one completion. He's going to kick a field, go and tie the game or win the game.

2:19:18Pat McAfee:Bo Reales up there in New England hit a 52-yard game winner that hit top of net. That ball might have been good. Good from 85. That might have been good from 70-plus yards for a game winner. This is in Buffalo. Now, granted, it's very warm and everything like that. It's still warm in a year. That's at the top of the net from 52 to win the game in Buffalo. He's got long sleeves on, so KP2. But that's outside in this entire – you talked about the new K-balls. This is a huge win for kickers and punters here and snappers as well. We chit-chatted about it whenever we learned about it because the special teams group of coordinators that have been tasked with both changing the kickoff to keep it in the game have also been presenting other rules that special teams has had.

2:19:59Pat McAfee:It's like, hey, now that we got a little bit more trust in the league with us creating things that maybe they think would be good for the game and understanding the way the special teams coordinators are like, hey, can we go back to having K-balls, but we'll keep it? It got a little crazy. So those that don't know, the K-balls used to be brought by the teams, and it got to a point where it was just abuse. I mean, these balls would show up like this. I mean, this is what the balls would show up so beat up. They were actually putting them in like a dryer, like commercial dryers, to like make them get blown up.

2:20:30Pat McAfee:One thing led to another. Guys were obviously murdering footballs. One thing led to another where one of these shitty-ass K-balls that was designed strictly to be kicked further and however they wanted to do that beat up got into an actual play. Quarterback throws a pick with it. Full investigation happens into the ball. They go, enough of this. And then it was brand new balls fresh out of the box. So it was like, I hope you guys are happy. This is what you got now. The balls were in a box, brought out, opening kickoff. Good luck, okay? Then kickers and punters got so pissed off about that because we're kicking blocks like plastic.

2:21:01Pat McAfee:You're basically giving us plastic. This is trash. This is like the worst. Why would we do this? So then they gave a 30-minute time period for equipment managers to break in the ball with officials watching them. This has been the development of the K-ball rules through this entire thing. So then there's seven of them in total. Basically, the first three are the only ones that are going to see the field. Normally, only the first two, depending upon what happens. And the equipment managers would just beat those things up just for 30 minutes. They'd come out sweating. They'd have one brush. There's one bottle of water, and that's all you were allowed to use.

2:21:31Pat McAfee:And it was watched and regulated. And our guy, Frog, would come out sweating just full on. And we'd be like, how are they? He'd be like, they're good. It's like, thanks, man. Thank you so much for doing what you're doing. And if there was a shitty equipment manager from the other team doing it, we would even tell the other kickers and punters like, hey, our ball good if you want it or whatever. And then you could like, yeah, you would help them out. You would help them out because we wouldn't want their guy, their ball in ever. So then we would just say, hey, we're only using ball one. Do you guys agree with that?

2:22:04Pat McAfee:Yes. So then they agree. So we're only using ball one as opposed to rotating balls. Because if we heard that their guy sucked, Like other teams would come up to us. They'd be like, hey, our guy sucks. It's like, sweet. We'll do ball one. And if we need emergency ball one, we'll go to ball three. Because if it was home, we'd have the odd numbers. So then we as teams would go to person and say, hey, we're using this. We're using this. You know, an agreement. Ball two then just back of the pile. We're not even using it. So it was like there was a little politicking going on as well. And if you had a good equipment manager, it was fucking great news.

2:22:37Pat McAfee:Now these guys are allowed to work them all week. and then they bring them into games and they have to pass a test they still have to be in condition uh that is worthy of being on 8k television for the nfl right now so it's still got to be a good looking duke but i mean it's 10 to 15 yards 10 to 15 yards i would say of distance between brand new ball versus very beat up ball and i put that tweet out and i saw it got a lot of traction which was cool people like 10 to 15 yards it's like i mean shit depending upon what their thing is maybe 20 yards 17 to 20 yards of it let alone for punting how much hang time it's like a beat up ball is just so much better that's why quarterbacks bring their own balls in that's why baseballs i think whenever they get beat up are kind of subbed out or whatever it's like these things are leather and what you're trying to do is crack into them and hit the bladder and then that's exploding off there so the more beat up you can get the outside you can obviously get to the bladder that thing's gone it's like this is a big role change i think it's a big rule chains for kickers and that 52 yarder that went over the uprights for new england and then 65 yarder and then aubrey goes strolling out there for 66 it's like this is going to only continue so the touchbacks at the 35 with the ability to kick these long balls you know there's a lot of strategy there's strategy going in there and special teams in the kickoff matters now even more than it's ever had and i think that's a success for the rule makers yeah and for the fans too because i i really do believe especially when we look at this like over the course of a year Like this rule yields more close games.

2:24:07And if you're a fan of a team, like you have more hope going into one of these last drives. It used to be, you know, like if your kicker was kind of so, so, and you had like a 52 yard, it's like, well, okay, we've got a 10 % chance of making this. Now it really does feel like, Hey, we just got to get one completion and then we'll try our guy out there for a 65 yarder. And the madness will make exactly, exactly. But then on the flip side, it is like, if you don't know how to execute that kickoff, like that, That's just killing teams because it is. It's just like already if you have a quarterback who maybe you don't envision him as that guy, like Bake, who he's going to go down the field and score.

2:24:42Starting at the 40-yard line, there's no room for error for your defense.

2:24:46Pat McAfee:A lot of confidence going on the field when you get to about the 40, too. Oh, there's no doubt. But like you said, that penalty on the kickoff against Kansas City, if they get the ball in the 31, Mahomes is getting it to the 50. I guarantee you. and he's going to attempt 58, 59, probably make it and go to overtime. Bucker, yeah. Bucker's a real deal. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of those guys that are really good. Yeah. Spencer Schrader for the Colts made a lot of big kicks for us. He tears a couple ligaments in his knee out for season. The Colts have made a signing a kicker. Michael Badgley. The Money Badger.

2:25:21Pat McAfee:The Money Badger. He's back. He'd been on the team before. He was good for us. He was good for us. I think we had Hot Rod at the time. remember Hot Rod where was his last stop Chargers maybe he's got a lot of moxie I thought he was on a team already me too I think he's one of these guys that hasn't had a good situation when you become a carousel kicker you've worked out a lot of these guys you're not on a team but you're in a rotation of guys that get workouts basically anytime a kicker gets hurt or something like that and then you might get an opportunity for two, three weeks because the kicker's hurt or one week because the kicker's hurt.

2:26:03Pat McAfee:Then you hope that that film's good enough that you get potentially signed somewhere else. Very rarely do you get in there and then just take the job. There's been a couple of those situations that have happened. Inevitably, that happens for a lot of people. But if you're not in the actual, it's hard to crack. It's hard. You need an injury and you need to get hot at the right time. Because if you get in there as like a fill-in and you miss one, it's like, see ya. We can find another guy that can come in here and miss. Anybody come here, miss. I got a question for both of you. So what do you think he's been doing, I guess, throughout the season to kind of stay in the type of kick and shape for B.A.?

2:26:40Are we more likely to see now a lot more fourth down, a lot more four-down territory for the Colts once they kind of cross that midfield? I think from what I remember, he's got a long, strong leg. Yeah, he's good, I think. So you trust him off the rip? Oh, yeah. I mean, for me, that's the general manager and pro personnel. They got five guys at every position on that board. He's the best one. We lose this guy, we're getting this guy. And same thing with kickers. So they got to have a ton of confidence in the guy. I'm not changing a damn thing the way I coach or decide anything. I hired your ass.

2:27:11Do your job.

2:27:13Pat McAfee:I love everything about that. That is awesome. That is a very, like, yeah, this is your job. Go make the fucking kick. That is what we're here for. Well, it's a new guy. He hasn't been around the team. we're on a good run right now number one team in the afc we literally just got this guy he was on the lions in 2024 we were just learning obviously uh might have been a fill-in for a little bit there when bates was hurt no he was fine and then they brought bates in uh into camp they had a battle bates won that thing and had a good year so uh he badgley was completely fine with the lions when he was there and since then he's been just kicking yes odd man out yeah he's literally just kicking and waiting for another opportunity it's an interesting little that would be a cool documentary actually because there's a lot of camps that people go to like right now uh nick novak is former kicker he was a journeyman kicker he'd been on a lot of teams loves the art of kicking like still holds camps and everything he'll have a lot of free agent guys that he'll record working out and then he'll put them up there and you got guys from around the league watching these videos and they're like okay we'll put that guy on the board if we do this nice so like traveling going to these camps working out posting clips like that is literally what kickers you're hustling basically for your next opportunity at a tryout and then you just got to hope you get hot at the tryout and then you get an opportunity and then you get hot then and literally if all you need is like a couple people to see you do well and you'll get an opportunity and if you get an opportunity and you crush it it's like you could have a fucking job forever or you get right back in the carousel and have to wait for another opportunity it's an interesting probably not coming what's that when you fail yeah yeah you're at the bottom of the carousel yeah you're not riding the pony you're on that little thing at the bottom that doesn't move did you go out and Watch those workouts or no?

2:28:46Pat McAfee:The kicking workout? No, I just trusted the pro personnel people. Give me the best guy you got. Who'd you have whenever you guys did your Super Bowl run? Pro personnel? No, kicker. Who was kicker down there? Oh, Ryan Sucka. Yeah, it was Pinion and Sucka. He was great. Oh, money, but 52 was it. Maybe 49 into the win, but we knew exactly, and he was honest as a coach. I can't make that. Which is a big piece of information. All right, good. We'll go for it. he hit the same ball every time. He was a robot. We came out the same year. He was Mr. Irrelevant with the Kansas City Chiefs, I do believe. And watching him, just his stance and how he did it, he was just so consistent.

2:29:26Pat McAfee:Same exact ball. And to your point, it wasn't like super long ball, but it was just like knew exactly where he was going. He was a good kickoff guy too. I think he was okay. Yeah. He had a long run-up, right, on the kickoff. I think he had a little bit of a longer run-up. Not as long as Jason Hansen. Jason Hansen used to run 25 yards. Legend. That was unbelievable. It was. He went into the – He's a Hall of Fame nominee. Yeah. Before the MCDC era and before Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson, Jason Hansen was the best lion of my lifetime. And keep in mind, I didn't watch Barry Sanders. What a rough run.

2:29:59Pat McAfee:So, yeah. He was a monster. I love Jason Hansen. 20 years I think he didn't – He was awesome. 20 years he kicked up there in Detroit. I don't think one playoff game, right? Zero playoff games, which is insane. But if you're a fan, you got to see the kicker is my favorite. He was. A lot of hands and jerseys in the crowd. I played with the GOAT. Yeah, so trust me. Bro, his kickoffs, it was so much fun the week of the practice, you know, because you got to give a good look. Not really. He's only doing it. Just he would start.

2:30:34Pat McAfee:For real. I think I remember the stupid.

2:30:40That was literally He'd get through it Boom

2:30:50Pat McAfee:Started the back line In the end zone Dude it was You're legit You're starting like The five yard line Balls kicked off At the 30 at the time That was when we used To run up too The kicker As the kickoff team Yeah and they had to Like time it up It was unbelievable And now guys are taking One step to hit this kickoff Yeah well Well, guys, techniques have gotten a lot better over the years. Sweet spots have gotten better over the years. Strength, explosion. Jason Hansen is a legend. Absolutely. Loved him. He's Hoffnum with AJ? Hoffnum now. What a man. That could be a class, man. I believe I played against him.

2:31:25When did he retire? I played against him for many years. He played for like 35 years.

2:31:28Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think he retired right before they made the playoffs. So, like, he had played all those years. My whole lifetime, I never watched him play in the playoffs. He retires, and then they make the playoffs. Hey, thank you for doing what you did for football for as long as you did. More people should have seen it, Jayce. That's why you're Hoffnacht. Hell yeah. Hoffnacht. All right, B.A., what do we need to get your take on? We need – oh, college. Last week we talked to you about college. We need to do that more. You're a very – how many years you coach college? 17. Okay, 17-year college. Long time.

2:32:02Pat McAfee:That's your head coach. Right now sitting on advisory, a council of maybe Virginia Tech's next coach. Coach, how's that going? I saw the$229 million official announcement for the athletics department. Good for you. We're going to start meeting today. Added a name this morning, I believe. Yeah, we're trying to pitch some names to get in that. But you're starting meeting today. Is that real? What, do you got a Zoom? On the way to the airport. Okay, he's dialed in. Okay, he is dialed in. We've got a good car, good space. He's going to have a good office there. And I'm excited to see who you come up with.

2:32:29Pat McAfee:Did you see this past weekend? Great. College football slate. Arch Manning. Okay. this Texas team and the story of it is going to certainly be an interesting one. Obviously, we all know that Arch has potential. I mean, everything going into the year was he's going to be number one overall pick. This guy's going to win a Heisman. Now we're sitting after them losing two games to Florida and at Ohio State and at Florida. And we're wondering what the hell is going on in Texas as a whole. Sark has never had the rankings offensively that he has right now. And obviously, Florida was able to do their thing against this Texas team.

2:33:04Pat McAfee:I mean, it's never really that close. What do you think is happening down there with Arch? And is there a way to correct course for a quarterback? Because he's down there three years now, right? This is his third year down there? I thought he was a true freshman last year, but I'm not sure. No, maybe second year. How many years, Tone?

2:33:20Darius Butler:This is year three for Arch, year two for Lagworth.

2:33:22Pat McAfee:Okay, yeah, so this is third year for Arch at Texas. How are we – what would you do? How do you – can you work on fundamentals still at this point? You have to, right? Every day. Every day. I mean, even in the pros, we'd have our quarterback. We'd call it going to the driving range. Every day, a quarterback is 25 minutes of fundamentals before practice. And so, yeah, I think his off-platform throws seem to be very off. Yes. For whatever reason. We saw the grimace a couple weeks ago, and I thought I was pissed because of the shitty throw. But there might be something to it because the kid is really, really good.

2:33:58I mean, he's everything we thought he was. It's just not happening on the field. I think Florida's defensive line got after them really, really good. And, you know, I think the noise affected their offensive line at the Swamp. And D.J. Lagwe played like we thought D.J. Lagwe played. He looked fantastic, finally. But Arch, I don't know what's going on, but they've got to get it correct quick.

2:34:22Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's certainly going to be a lot of pressure down there in Texas. I mean, that's certainly going to mount and mount and everything like that. In the modern NIL world with contracts and how much everything, I wonder literally how any of that works because you go back a couple years to Florida State when they had DJ Uyunglele and it was going how it was going. It was almost like they felt obligated to play him or like they had to play him because of the amount of money that he was being paid. And I'm not saying that that's happening in Texas ever, but with the amount of money that's being paid to everybody, there is even more outside expectation.

2:34:49Pat McAfee:You know what team looks unbelievable? Hey, AJ, that Ohio State team, brother. Hey. Yeah. Nobody's talking about Ohio State right now, okay, Because they played Texas week one and then into the abyss. Nobody's going to talk about anything that they do. When did they play a top five team? All this year has been is top ten teams versus top ten teams. When Ohio State plays somebody, I'll go, listen, we don't want to hear. All they've done is just use this as practice almost, it feels like, and find who they are. Is that what has happened with Ohio State for those that maybe haven't watched or followed along the last few weeks with them?

2:35:22Yeah, I mean, they're coupling a suffocating, unbelievable defense right now that flies around and doesn't let teams score with an offense that seems to be very efficient. And Julian Sane, I believe, as a quarterback, is also kind of flying under the radar. The dude's making some great throws week in and week out. And, yes, he has great talent around him. But, yeah, they're rolling right now, man.

2:35:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, they're not the only ones. I mean, Alabama's all the way back. Yeah. A huge win. Miami, unbelievable. Hey, Miami looks the part. You know? Yeah, they do. They look the part. Every position looks the part. Like, when I went up to Penn State and saw the whiteout, and I was on the field, and I saw Penn State's defense, and I looked at every player, and I'm like, Jesus, they looked the part. I mean, D-line, everybody shredded massive. DBs, everybody big athletic. You look at this Miami team, trenches, big, massive shredded. Offensive line, big, massive dudes. Quarterback, 6 '6". Two wide receivers that are very explosive.

2:36:16Pat McAfee:A third if they need it. We've got a run game if they have to have it. Just everything that they have looks the part down there for Miami. me it is uh it's a special time to be a hurricane it feels like south florida is very much vibing and this is only just the beginning because i think they have money and crystal ball recruits 24 7 oh yeah that's what we're being told and whenever the u is back i mean that that they do the recruiting themselves just playing football and having that swagger so i'll ask b a we talk about ohio state talk about miami we know what oregon is the powerhouse you talk mentioned other teams of o'miss bamilas who do you think is the best team in the country right now Well, for me, gosh, I'd have to say Ohio State.

2:36:54The way the quarterback is, and that's good for them. They beat Texas. They didn't ask the quarterback to do too much. Defense played lights out. Let this kid grow. All right, they got Smith. They got all the receivers. He looks like he is moving in the right direction. Ty Simpson at Alabama, same thing. All of a sudden, this guy's a superstar. Why the hell has he been sitting on the bench for a couple years? He had a bunch of good guys, you know. I love that he didn't transfer. I love the fact that he stayed, fought it out, and he's getting his due at Alabama. Alabama looks like they're the real deal, too, in the SEC.

2:37:26I never count out Georgia, but Lane Kiffin's got them rolling at Ole Miss. They're scoring a bunch of points. I mean, it's going to be a fun battle all the way to the end. But if I had to pick one right now, I'd have to say Ohio State. Well, and then if you think about, too, like just looking at that list of odds, Oklahoma's only plus 1 ,800 because Matier, you know, has been playing these last two weeks. If Oklahoma goes out, you know, Matera actually does come back. Pete Dammer reported that he's pushing to return this weekend for the Texas game. If he does come back in Oklahoma, you know, beats Texas, are we then talking about Oklahoma being one of those teams?

2:38:02Because they've been out of the conversation for no real reason aside from the fact that he, you know, he's kind of questionable.

2:38:07Pat McAfee:That's a pretty big real reason, though. He was best quarterback in maybe in country whenever he was playing. And Arbuckle, his offense coordinator, came with him. So we thought maybe him leaving would affect the entire offense because obviously they were a package. They still win games. Venable still has the defense. And if he comes back to play against Tech, let's go to Hammer. Done! Done! That's a massive game this weekend. I think we all probably assumed game day was going to be at. And then you have unfortunate losses happen, and then you can't do it. So we're heading out to Oregon with Indiana again.

2:38:39Pat McAfee:It's all the way back. I mean, our name hasn't even been mentioned this entire thing, let alone Oregon. But down there, Texas, Oklahoma, the story is, Mattier's back. Is that happening?

2:38:49Darius Butler:That's a great question. I saw that earlier today, and a lot of the reports were like, hey, he's going to be pushing to get back by the end of October. What are we sitting on, October 7th right now? So, I mean, that would be a really, really quick comeback. I know Oklahoma is thinking about building a statue for the surgeon who did the operation on his hand if he does get back for this game. but like even if he doesn't Michael Hawkins got some uh playing time last year was it great no it wasn't terrible though either their O-line was a disaster they didn't have any wide receivers he played okay last week um like they can still there's no reason they can't win this game without Mateer would they be much better with Mateer I mean they're dogs right now so that line makes me think that Mateer or at least the books don't uh think Mateer is going to play this weekend but like he's just he's different like he he's a wild card you have no idea what he's going to do.

2:39:39Darius Butler:You have no idea what throw he's going to make or what he's going to try. I definitely want to see Matier back this weekend, but when you look at that slate, it is an absolute loaded slate of college football this weekend. Every single one of those games was either a ranked team currently or a ranked team at the start of the season. So at one point, all of these teams have been ranked this season. It is going to be a very, very exciting weekend of college football.

2:40:02Pat McAfee:Got a lot of good ball coming, and then obviously MetLife Thursday night kicks it all off as Philadelphia Eagles travel out to New York. Dr. Shin is the name you're looking for out there in Oklahoma that did the surgery on John Mateer. And they're saying if he gets back for Texas in just a couple weeks, Dr. Shin's hands might be etched in stone forever. Thank God for his successful procedure. Dr. Shin is the GOAT. Boomer Sooner says John Mateer. Good luck to all the boys in their recovery. Great work there, Tone. All right, on the way out here, B.A., you want to make some putts for some people?

2:40:33Pat McAfee:Here we go. Here we go, Bruce. Here we go. No glasses. All business. Glasses tipping up. Which putter do you want to use? We have a variety of options. I'm going to the long one today. You're going to the long one? Oh, yeah. Okay, this one? Long, long? Yep, that's it. Yep, that's the one. Okay. Okay, now this is the extendo, I will say. This is not just long. It is an extendo. He'll have to make about an eight-foot putt here on a very tough Thunderdome green. Yeah. We have seen this green take down plenty of men. Have we not, AJ Hawk? We have seen it take down lots of people. You are correct. People that say they're good golfers get taken down.

2:41:07Pat McAfee:What's that? Yeah, that's the spot. Now, hold on, Coach. Is there three balls there or how many balls you got? Three balls. You got to go one of three? Yeah. Oh, there it is. There we go. You got to go two of four. You got to go two of four here to make it only eight feet. Now, it does break a little bit right and left. Yeah, exactly. You got to find the right spine. You played just a few days ago on your birthday, correct? You played well. You putted well. Okay, let's go. You make two out of four. will give 20 people$500. He'll repost this video and say something kind. AJ Hawk is about to give you a motivational speech if you'd like to hear it.

2:41:46BA, I am not here to give you a motivational speech. You don't need one. Just go drain four out of four right there and call it a day.

2:41:51Pat McAfee:He wasn't listening. He didn't have his headphones in. Thank God he did it. I know, I can see that. Thank God he did it because of what you said. We're trying to get some winners around here. Ty, why don't you... He's going to drain them all. BA knows he's going to drain them all. He doesn't need to just make two out of four. Are you going to double it if he makes four out of four? Yes. Yes, I will. Yes, I will. And it'll be coming out of your check. Ty, anything to say to Coach B.A. as he tries to do the impossible? Yeah, B.A., you've told us that you've let a couple of your putters go take a dive in the water.

2:42:22The urgency and quickness with which you picked up the long putter makes me think that's in his bag right now, and he used this over the weekend maybe. Let's go. Right in the heart of the cup. Sink these fuckers. That's what has been benched. Oh, no. I really like this one on this surface. Okay. Okay. Okay.

2:42:39Pat McAfee:On this surface, on this day. Okay. Long and synthetic. Let's get some authentic buckets from Coach B.A. Oh, he's got to do. Oh. Yeah. With the Super Bowl ring. Oh, no. With the Super Bowl ring up there on the top. He's got to go two of four. Smooth. Wow. Ladies and gentlemen. Are you shitting me? Perfect pace, too. Yeah. The touch is real from the QB Whisperer. He's got a Super Bowl championship ring on top of a putter. Bang! Oh, my God. That's 20 winners of$500. Now, if he makes both of these, there's a chance that we double this thing. Holy shit. Stop. You're right. Oh, shit. Ladies and gentlemen, Bruce.

2:43:25Pause. Pause. Hold the fuck up.

2:43:28Pat McAfee:Don't throw them off. Hold on, Bruce. Connor has some thoughts on your putting stroke I think he'd like to give you before you try to do the impossible and make all four putts here at the Thunderdome. I'm going to be honest. I thought when you grabbed that putter, you were the goofiest son of a bitch ever to step on that green. And now that you're 3-3, all of a sudden I might get back into golf and I might get one of those putters. Wow, you're inspiring people back to the sport here. You're driving sales of long putters. Now, I do think the added benefit of the Super Bowl rate. It does help. Right?

2:44:01Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good little anchor.

2:44:03Pat McAfee:All right, Coach, all you got to do is make this play, and we'll give 40 people$500. Oh, my God. On his B.A. Dad! Walked it off. Wow. Oh, my God. No one's ever done that. Ever. Thunderdome history. There it is. There it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Knock it all over. No one's ever done that either. Knock it all over. No one's ever done that either. Thunderdome. That was unbelievable, Bruce. Wow. Holy shit. I'm going to do that again. Give me some. Wow. Unreal. That was an honor to watch. I never worked out. I never worked out. Good job, B.A. Good job. Wow. He liked it on this surface. Dude, that putter, this surface, with a walk-off.

2:44:44Yeah.

2:44:45Pat McAfee:What a run. Good for you. Happy B.A. Day to you. Thank you, brother. All you got to do is repost this video, say something nice to somebody, and put the easiest way to pay you, and you might be randomly selected to be one of 40 winners of$500 because B.A. can't miss. That was sick. Thank you for today, B.A. That was awesome. That's my bruise. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. You're the greatest people on earth. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change this life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. B.A., anything you said to the team?

2:45:17Pat McAfee:Great day. Better day next week. Hell yeah. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Team. Goodbye.

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