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18:55Pat McAfee:Is this carryover from last year? What do you think is going on over there? And how do you feel about the state of the Philadelphia Eagles right now? Well, first of all, I think last year, if I'm not mistaken, And I think they had the same record at a similar point in the season. They were 3-2 during their bye, went in, had a bunch of meetings, and came out and then just steamrolled the rest of the NFL in the second half of the season. And I think they've got a long weekend now to correct some of these things. But look, it certainly seems like there are issues that this team has to address. You mentioned the offense being predictable.

19:27Dan Orlowski did a great breakdown on GetUp yesterday morning of how you could tell what play was coming. And that was Dan in studio. And you can only imagine what it's like for other defensive coaches and coordinators to figure it out. How Saquon lining up next to Jalen Hurts or right behind him usually was an indication of whether it was a running play or a passing play. They'd become predictable. You heard Lane Johnson after the game say they had become predictable on offense. And I just think that this is not to blame Kevin Petulo, the new offensive coordinator. I just think that's a tough job to do.

20:03There are 32 of them in the NFL, and there's an art to calling plays in the NFL. And there aren't a lot of great play callers, and it's not something you just pick up, even if the personnel and the talent is really strong, and just think you're going to come out rolling. Just think of anybody starting any job. job. It takes a while to pick up the nuances of that job, to understand the intricacies of that job, to figure out the way to do that job. And I think Kevin Petulo is in the process of learning that. But the issue is that we live in a world where every action is scrutinized, criticized, debated, and they're living in a world where they set the bar so high.

20:47They've won, what, 20 of the last 22 games now, 21 of 23. So even when they lose, they come under the scrutiny because there are questions, there are issues that are real. But I think they've got some things going on on the offensive side of the football that have just spread out and affected the team and affected the way they've performed. And so far, it's been a disappointing start. But it was disappointing last year, and they figured it out and turned it around.

21:13Pat McAfee:Yeah, there's certainly an opportunity for that to happen for the Philadelphia Eagles this season. And we would not be surprised, I guess, and this could potentially become the story of this particular group of Philadelphia Eagles that could be in the middle of beginning a dynasty, although it doesn't feel like it at the moment with the questions that are being asked. And you talked about somebody picking up a new career and just, you know, going off without a hitch. You forget about what A.J. Hawk did whenever McAfee and Hawk Sports Talk launched. Hell yeah. A.J. Hawk dropped in and was a thousand, batting a thousand.

21:43Pat McAfee:What happened last night in baseball, Ty? Something big, I heard. Yeah, the Dodgers advanced on a pretty brutal play, beating the Phillies. Phillies had a chance, made an error with the bases loaded in the ninth. Kind of heartbreaking, actually. So, yeah, he threw it away there. Bad for Philly. Yeah, not a great night. All right, tough night for Philly, but New York finally gets a win last night. I think they desperately needed it, obviously. The Giants pull through two rookies, Jackson Dart and Scadaboo. 4-4 and 6 are all over everybody's timeline right now. And there's highlights from Scadaboo whenever he was in high school doing the same shit he's doing right now.

22:19Pat McAfee:This dude has been a rolling ball of bust your ass since he started playing football. His mom told a story on College Game Day whenever we did a feature on him about him taking his brother's pads and running into telephone poles. Last year when I learned of this man, and more specifically, the size of his head. His head size, he's like A.J. Hawk. He utilizes his head as a weapon because it actually is it's bigger. It's tougher. It's thicker I think that most folks and he utilizes that and he is a dog He's an absolute dog at Arizona State He was that he was electrifying and everybody was like well his size with the way he plays He can't be Mike also at that size And then you hear his teammates talk about he's like this guy's an idiot, but he's he's the man He might be the Rob Gronkowski of running backs, actually.

23:11Pat McAfee:He seems to have a football IQ that's like through the roof, an infectious personality, and everywhere he goes is seemingly having success. This guy is a dog through and through, and his dad, I think, owns a pest control company. So you're talking blue-collar, absolute dog. Literally generational, and he is entertaining to watch, and so is Jackson Dart. Can you talk a little bit about how special this Giants team is? And follow up, why didn't we have Jackson Dart starting at the beginning of the season? Why did we not know at the time that he was the guy? A few things here. First of all, these two guys have brought an incredible amount of juice.

23:53All of a sudden, a few weeks ago, Malik Nabors tears his ACL. Everybody thinks the season's over. They're left for dead. and now it looks like this franchise has been infused with juice. Jackson Dart has got so much swag to him and so much confidence that I don't even know that he realizes that he shouldn't be going out and beating the defending Super Bowl champions, but he did. Cam Scadaboo runs like he's a character out of the Flintstones, and to me, you could start calling the guy Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo right now.

24:26Pat McAfee:Okay, Jackson. Okay, Jackson. Bam Bam Cam Bam Bam Cam

24:33Nick Saban:Bam Bam Cam Make sure you get cramped for that, Shefty

24:37Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's not a bad name Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo I like the way it comes out Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo Flintstones right out of Bedrock Bedrock Straight out of Bedrock That guy runs hard Mike Allstott is a great comparison but he looks like he wants to just run you over. He's the human tush-push is what he is. Like the Eagles have a whole unit going. This guy pushes everybody by himself and just runs over people. Like this is Zach Bond right there. Zach Bond is an all-pro linebacker, and it's like, get out of my way. So these two guys, these two rookies, boom, they have just filled this team with energy.

25:21And the Giants, just think about this. I know there are so many games in the NFL that go this way, but they were in Dallas. They went to overtime. They could have and should have won that game. They'd be three and three right now. And we will be talking about them and saying, could they win the NFC East? That's what you'd be talking about if they had won the game in Dallas. But they did. Bam, bam, cam, scataboo.

25:46Pat McAfee:Boom, push, push. This dude is unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about if they were three and three, with these two rookies being the conversation piece and seemingly being perfect for each other, but not just each other. They're perfect for Dayball. We obviously have seen how Dayball operates with Hard Knocks. We respect the way he runs those meetings, how he runs his draft evaluation process. I've gotten a chance to chat with him whenever he was in town for the Combine. Feels like he is a guy that is very similar. He's a football guy through and through. Everybody said he has this incredible ability to bring out the best in people, and then we've seen it not really work at the New York football giants for whatever reason.

26:24Pat McAfee:And then obviously Hard Knocks opens up and we learn even more about him and the entire operation, entire process. And then Saquon does his thing. It's been a dump on the Giants operation process for some time now, I would say, from a lot of different people. Dayball feels like he's got these two sons. It feels like they are maybe his boys. These are Dayball's boys right here, Cam Scadaboo and Jackson Dart. And it feels like they're building something special. And I think he even cares for them like he's their damn father. And last night, Debo maybe ended up in some shit. Are we thinking that he's maybe in, he's going to be in some stuff for some stuff that happened last night, even though they get a big win?

27:04There was the incident here where Jackson Dart goes down and he's hit on the shoulder. If you watch the replay, but he has to adjust his mouthpiece and his helmet. This is a better angle of it right here. Hit right there on the shoulder, goes down, his helmet gets dislodged. And it looks like to the overhead spotter, okay, we got to get this guy in the medical tent. and Jackson Dart goes over to the medical tent. Brian Dayball goes over to the medical tent, which is a no-no. Coach is not allowed in the tent, near the tent, has to stay out of the tent. There he is, peeking his head into the tent.

27:38And the NFL said today that it is initiating a review of what occurred last night. Now, Brian Dayball apologized to the head trainer right there for getting heated because the head trainer or the head doctor is trying to be a part of the decision-making press. He doesn't even make the final decision, but he's a part of the team there. And Brian Gable obviously didn't like what he heard, but he apologized to that man. Let's go!

28:03Nick Saban:I'm going to burn a timeout if I need him back. Let's go! That was after Russ didn't pick up the 39. He's like, let's get, come on. Boy, tough night for Russ.

28:13Pat McAfee:Russ throws it in the dirt, gets his ass booed out of the field, And then all of a sudden, the head coach, offensive coordinator goes, oh, no, where is this tent? Let's go! That is the worst-case scenario for Russell Wilson. All the parts. The let's go thing. Certainly cherry on top of it all. But it has been a week of finds. You know, and has there been ever – first time I think we got a chance to see inside the tent. You actually sent me this tweet moments before we went live. I think the guy's name is Dan. or they gave a tour of the blue tent for the first time last night before the game. Here's Dr.

28:47Pat McAfee:Sills. Never any coaches in here. Never any other players in here. Never anybody else. Where's the people? And athletic trainer will be here too. But never more than those people. Never. Never any coaches. They put that out before the game. Never. Never. And then Dave was like, yo! We might see one. And then Cam Scadaboo went in there too. Like, it never happens. But it's going to happen tonight, just hours after Alan Sills was in there. Right? Like, again. I shouldn't laugh. We shouldn't laugh. We shouldn't laugh. Obviously, it's very serious. And that blue tent should be a sanctuary and an escape for medical professionals to decide what's best for the player.

29:25Pat McAfee:I understand that completely. But I'm just telling you, only in the NFL could you have the medical director giving a tour of it right before the game, saying this is never where a coach or a player goes, only to have those situations unfold right after. So the NFL obviously going to have to set precedent here with the fine because I don't think we've ever seen this as Dr. Sills was alluding to. This never happened. It's been a week of fines for people from the NFL that aren't players, right? This feels like this is something. Do we know what this could be in the proximity of? uh listen first of all i don't know how how new the blue tents are but it's not like they've been around forever so what is it the last decade or so and i don't recall a coach going into the tent or going by the tent and i don't recall a player going in there other than to obviously be checked which is what it's there for in the first place and the league takes those issues very seriously the NFLPA is going to take those issues very seriously there's a perception here look and we've seen the league this week totally separate issues but Jerry Jones makes an accidental gesture to the fans in that very stadium$250 ,000 Jonathan Gannon gets fined by his team$100 ,000 for sideline altercation with Amari DiMarcado so it was a week of fines and and there's going to be something that comes from this, some sort of discipline, whether it's to Brian Dable alone or Brian Dable and the team or Brian Dable and Cam Scadaboo, Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo.

31:03We'll see how this all shakes out, but the NFL has launched a review of this entire situation, and we'll see how it plays out.

31:11Pat McAfee:Make sure you get that in. Don't, you know, you gotta make sure you get that. Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo. That's a good name. Hey, that's a good name. I see the shirts already. Don't... What was that movie? John Goodman was in it, I think. King Ralph? Wreck-It Ralph. That was a good movie. Wreck-It Ralph's good movie. The Flintstone movie. Isn't there like a human one? Oh, yeah. John Goodman was Fred Flintstone. That is correct. It's a great movie. Yeah, great movie. Okay, so whole summer I watched that movie. Every day. Great movie. I had a neighbor, okay, that we were sleeping at his house every night.

31:45Pat McAfee:That was the only movie he had. We watched that thing. That's awesome. Through and through. He was such a good guy. Barney's such a good guy. He is. He takes the test. Fred and Barney take a test to get a promotion. And Fred obviously dumb as rocks. He's got a son named Bam Bam. And Barney, you know, this guy's super genius, a little bit of a nerd, though. They take this test. Barney feels like he owes Fred. This is such a good story of friendship. So he actually takes Fred's test, puts it in his entry, and takes his test, puts it in Fred's thing. Fred becomes boss. Smartest guy ever stepped foot on the ground.

32:20Pat McAfee:Yep. They promote him. This is the best test score we've ever seen. All of a sudden, Fred gets a little bit too big for his britches. And I'll tell you what, that's a good story of triumph. It's a good story of losing friendship, losing yourself, and then regaining loyalty at the end. That's a good movie. That was a good trip down memory lane there with Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo. The amount of photos, I think, that we could have in branding is a good thing. The human tush push, also not bad. You know, because we have human torpedo. Obviously, that's been used. Human centipedes been used before. Human tush bush, I don't think, has ever been used.

32:55Pat McAfee:I love everything you're about, Schefter. Today is a great day for you. All right, let's chit-chat about some other things happening around the NFL. Boston Connor has a question for you, Schefter. Yeah, Schefter, speaking of the fines this past week, it's been a tough go for Gannon. And, you know, this isn't his first or second year. This is kind of the prove-it year for the Cardinals. And it was a good start, but now they're heading to Indianapolis with Kyler, who I believe you reported practiced today, so he might be going, but still a very, very tough test, especially with two coaches who are familiar with each other going back to Philadelphia, but are we looking at a situation where Gannon is kind of on his last legs here?

33:35Is this one of those not prove-it games, but massive game, need to beat a big team, and then can you also real quick go back and just double check for me? Cam Scadaboo, excuse me, Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo. Doesn't he keep his dog bones in the blue tent so he has to go in there? I can't verify that, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case with Bam Bam Cam Scadaboo from Bedrock. In regards to the Cardinals, you know, I think the situation that you run into there, the tricky, dangerous spot that they're in right now, to me, is that last week that game was won. If DeMarcado goes in with that touchdown, it's 27-6 with 12 minutes and 42 seconds left in the fourth quarter.

34:18The game's over. They've won the game. They lose a game that never should have happened, right? This play is going to be replayed for a long period of time. DeMarcado drops the ball at the goal line. Doesn't count. The game is over, over if he scores on that touchdown. and now this team has to bounce back going on the road and when you lose a game like that it's interesting psychologically because I just think back to last year the Bears were four and two going into Washington they lost on the Hail Mary play and they proceeded to lose including that game 10 straight games and I think that's the challenge that Jonathan Gannon faces now is to lift this team up after a crushing loss like that to the Titans last week where we got snaps bouncing off Kyler's helmet and we've got interceptions that wind up as touchdowns and we've got touchbacks that wind up as touchbacks.

35:22Like the whole thing, it was one of the more improbable losses you could ever see. Improbable.

35:29Pat McAfee:That's a good way to describe that. I think that is a great way to describe that. Improbable. All the shit improbable of happening. All of it. Even after the ball gets snapped off his face. Pretty good snap it looks like. Right to his face. The guy from the Titans just banging him on the top of the head immediately. I mean, he just got sunned immediately after getting a ball in his face. It's like worst case scenario for a snap to a quarterback or holder or punter. I'll get hit in the face. Bang. Okay, I get hit in the face. It's embarrassing. Not good. I'm supposed to be a professional athlete.

35:57Pat McAfee:Obviously, that's out of a movie. Oh, now they get it. Great. we're up we might the guy bats him on top of his head just bonks him just like three look at so then they do the kick thing into the touchdown thing and it's like jeez louise that's a tough day with the toss thing good luck out there coach cannon we believe anybody good luck good luck

36:19Nick Saban:out there go ahead aj chef you mentioned we got some high profile quarterbacks that may be a little banged up. What's your, any news on the injury front as far as quarterbacks here heading into this week? I would say as we sit here right now, 12 36, Friday afternoon, it looks like Cooper Rush is going to start against the Rams in place of Lamar Jackson. It looks like Mack Jones is going to start in place of Brock Purdy against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in a big matchup in Tampa on Sunday afternoon. And we don't know on the Cardinals whether Kyler will make it back or whether it'll be Jacoby Brissett up against his former team.

36:57I think that's the one quarterback question mark right now that's still out there. But I think right now we'd all be surprised if Lamar plays. The Ravens are on a bye next week, so they'll give him a couple of weeks, and then they're hoping that that team can make a push in the second half. And Brock Purdy just hasn't been right with the toe, and Mack Jones has played great, and Purdy hasn't practiced this week. So to me, I think it'd be a surprise if it weren't Mack Jones going on Sunday against the Buccaneers. and as he continues. Hey, it's the story of the Joneses this year. Keep it up with the Joneses.

37:28Mac Jones, Daniel Jones. Chef D! Chef D! Wow! Holy cow! He's feeling it.

37:36Nick Saban:Chef D! Chef D! Chef D! Chef D!

37:40Pat McAfee:Chef D! Hey, listen. We're not the only ones cheering for you. Gumpy's over here until going crazy for you. Chef D! Chef D! Chef D! Chef D! That's a good camera. He fits perfect out here. He fits perfect out here with that beard and the head. Obviously, we're back here in the Pacific Northwest, so obviously he loves it. Shefty, it is keeping up with the Joneses, and it's going to be tough to keep up with Daniel Jones, brother. Indiana Jones, brother. He's doing his thing. You mentioned on Monday it felt like Lamar wasn't going to play this week because of the bye week kind of forecast ahead. You kind of, I don't want to say lean that way, but that's what you were kind of saying to us on Monday.

38:16Pat McAfee:They spend a plan all along, or are they scared long-term with this thing? They're not, right? Like, whole season, more of the season, not really question mark. bye week is expected to be kind of the time where Lamar will be back on the other side of that, and that's how they're going to try to make a push for the Ravens fans like Budda and Stavi. They need to know, like, hey, the next two weeks, we're building up for this final push that we're going for. Is that kind of the feel that you're getting with that situation? The hope is that you get Lamar back. I mean, they'll see how his hamstring's doing.

38:45Hamstrings are tricky. My guess, just a guess two weeks out is, yeah, that's when they're going to try to bring him back after the by, and this team will hope to get back more reinforcements. They've lost so many players along the way. Some guys aren't going to be back. Obviously, they lose Nnamdi Matabike last week into a season-ending neck injury, and that is crushing to the pass rush. But at some point in time here, if the losses keep piling up, for one of the rare times, the Ravens may turn out to be sellers at the trade deadline. We already saw them deal Adaphe Owe on Tuesday to the Chargers.

39:18They get back to safety. There were some draft picks involved, but you wonder if they'll wind up trading away a couple more players. Like they have tight ends. Is there a team out there that needs tight ends? We'll see how we...

39:29Pat McAfee:What's going on? You haven't noticed that? He's an artist. He's an artist over there. There's some crazy going on right now, brother. I don't know if you know what's really happening right here in front of your eyes. So whenever you're on this show, you've got to know that there's a chance that any of these angles could be live in real time. But what you're saying, I think, makes a lot of sense for all us NFL fans as we score Cesar away to a daytime. What's the bad word called? A jizzy? What is it called? Jizzy. You got it. Yeah, jizzy, I think. The big jizzy is the big one. That's not what it is.

40:00It's a razzy.

40:01Pat McAfee:What is it? Razzy is what it's called? We're trying to earn one of those, Schefter, so we apologize for the camera cuts. A little WWE, so you can't see how the magic is made. I'll try to do a little bit of that. Speaking of magic, I felt like there was a lot of business magic happening around the NFL. Trades galore seemingly came out of nowhere. Tone has a question for you, Schefter. Yeah, Shep, you talked about the Ravens there and the Jags and the Browns have been involved in trades, the Bengals, the Chargers. It feels like it's more active early now than it has been in the past. Does that mean that it could be more active around the actual trade deadline as well?

40:34Well, if we go back and look, and my great researcher, Evan Kaplan, sent me a number on this because I asked him to look into it for me. But back in 2015, in the month of October, leading up to the trade deadline, so we're talking 10 years ago, there were four trades. The next year, there were five. That gives you an idea of what the league used to be a decade ago. Last year, in the month of October, leading up to the trade deadline, there were 18. Sheesh. 18 last year. Quadruple. Early in the week, I figured, oh, we'll get about a dozen before. But I may be low on that now. There have been at least 12 trades in the month of October for each of the last five years.

41:24Damn. And we're off to a flying start. So I think we're going to see a lot more activity. And I won't be surprised if in the month of October we get 20 trades altogether. You know what happens here? all these teams, they start seeing the other teams making trades and they want to get in the action. They want to make some trades and teams win a game or two. They want to make some trades. Everybody wants to make trades. And so we're going to see some action by the Tuesday, November 4th trade deadline.

41:54Pat McAfee:We're selling, we're buying. I like that. The Indianapolis Colts just restructured Kenny Moore's contract I think freed up like$3.8 million. Trey Hendrickson's coming to the Indianapolis Colts with Luana Ruma. Luana Ruma is bringing back the entire funky bunch. I haven't heard that, but you never know. Look, the Colts are going to want to make some moves if they keep winning games like this. They are the number one seed in the AFC as of today. And if they keep rolling like that, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to bring in more help. What seed? Number one seed in the AFC as of right now. Gotta update that one.

42:29Wow. Man, Steichen did coach in Philly. There is a receiver in Philly, too, that might be unhappy. Oh, AJ Brown. Yeah, that would be all you can eat out here, brother.

42:42Pat McAfee:Daniel Dimes is a delivery man. Basically, he makes everybody happy. DoorDash. We can certainly go on. We appreciate it. He is DoorDash. DoorDash, Daniel Dimes. Oh, keeping up with the Joneses. I mean, everything that's happening out here right now is amazing. From the human tush push all the way to the bam, bam, cam, scadaboo. Then all the way through keeping up with the Joneses. What else did you say? you said something else in there that was pretty brandable worthy. I don't know. A human tosh push? Did you say that? Yeah, we hit that. There's so many. What did you say about centipede, Shepter?

43:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, you've seen that, right? Centipede? I didn't say anything about a centipede. No lie. I heard it. Didn't I hear it? I think he said the tosh push looks like human centipede. Yeah. Okay, that's cool, Shepter. I didn't know you knew that about that. Ladies and gentlemen, The legend, Adam Schefter. He's laughing. That's a damn Adam Schefter. He always knows what's going on. I appreciate that. I got a chance to catch up with that, baby. Go ahead and play drums on that thing. We got it. I got a chance to catch up with him earlier, and I was like, hey, what can we ask you about? You know, what do you want?

43:56Pat McAfee:Everything, whatever you want. I'm like, how does he keep up with literally every piece of information that's happening at all times? AJ, he talked about the trades being off to a hot start. That's good news for us. And I think that's good news for teams that are doing well right now. But, boy, if you see your team being a team that's selling at that trade deadline, that's going to be tough. That's going to be a tough kind of realization of what your team is this year.

44:17Nick Saban:Yeah, football feels like it's different to other sports where it doesn't happen as much. But now I think the more we go, like year in and year, I think we're going to see more and more trades, not only from great teams that are maybe underperforming with stars that are unhappy. Boom, ship them off. A place like maybe Indy picks up a few studs at the deadline, huh?

44:34Pat McAfee:Oh, we're doing some buy-in. I remember there was a poll saying that we're going to be doing some die-in this season. So all of a sudden, a transition potential brand-new building in Indianapolis from top to bottom has become maybe, wait a minute, are they building a dynasty over there? And boy, that is a great thing to be experiencing. But we might not be the only ones. There's seemingly a brand-new era happening for that New York Giants football team that we watched last night. Joining us now is a man who obviously latched his Dan wagon to this one very, very early. And taking another victory lap, ladies and gentlemen, NFL pundit, QB guru, ESPN's face, Dan Orlovsky.

45:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, Dan Orlovsky. Oh, great. You're back in the kitchen. We're going to be watching you eat the whole time we talk to you. We were very pumped up about that. Gumpy, weren't we talking about how pumped up we were about that? Favorite thing on Friday is Dan just eating in his kitchen. Yeah, we talk about how this guy's like Brad Pitt in Ocean's Eleven. Isn't that kind of a conversation? Spot on. Yeah, that's what we say over there. So we're pumped. You made two guys really excited that are currently in Eugene, Oregon, for what your setup is right now in that beautiful kitchen of yours. Please tell the family we said hello.

45:36Pat McAfee:You said Jackson Dart should be a top 10 guy whenever we were going through the draft process. During the college football season, I don't think you had watched any film on him. Then you said after watching film on this guy, after getting a chance to learn his game and fully dive in, Jackson Dart is a guy. What did you see then? And what have you seen from him thus far outside of just moxie and pure incredible leadership from a rookie at quarterback what is his game like transitioning right now with dayball yeah I would say like coming out of school I think the things that stood out the most to me and it was very similar to Jaden Daniels two years ago in regards to I did not know a ton about him and when it came to like real true NFL prospects and then when you watched them game by game it was like I liked him more and more and more and um you know Jackson comes from that Ole Miss offense that everyone kind of knocked on him sitting there saying, well, they get to line of scrimmage.

46:30They play with tempo. Lane Kiffin, he turns to the sideline. Lane calls his plays. And how smart is he? And my whole thing was like, I understand that. There is truth to that. But if the quarterback plays in it long enough, he knows why I'm calling the play, then he's actually learning on the fly kind of with me. And as long as he can understand why we're doing that, I don't see that as a knock. So I never saw his offense as a knock. I think The second thing was, I honestly don't believe at Ole Miss there was like baked in completions. There was easy stuff. A lot of the throws he made looked like that one.

47:00Like it was down the field stuff that was high risk, high reward, very challenging. Not a lot that was kind of that RPO, dink and dunk, under five yard, easy type of stuff. And so I really liked his ability to throw the ball downfield. And then my favorite trait for quarterbacks is what do you do when panic sets in? or at least the moment of panic where you got pressure or coverage changes or you got to make a decision with the football. And I remember falling in love with Joe Burrow in that regard, very much so the same with Jaden, and that was one of the things I loved about Jackson. Then I thought he was the strongest in the pocket when it came to his ability to move in the pocket but still be fundamentally strong in it, and we're seeing it.

47:43And so, like, I felt, I remember begging a couple of my people, friends that I know in the league, like, dude, take this kid top 10. He's going to be a very, very, very good player. Obviously, he didn't listen to me. But I honestly was really high on him. And then I think through a couple games, I would say this, and people are going to take this out of context, but, like, when you watch him last night, there are moments when you're like, dude, that looks like early Josh Allen. That looks like early Lamar Jackson. Go to hell! baker mayfield it does dude because here's what i say in regards to the josh and lamar early years like he makes plays and you're sitting there watching you're like you don't really know what's going on right now do you like you probably don't have a great understanding of like what the pressure is or what the coverage is but you're finding a way to make a play yeah you're just you just make a play like make make make a play and josh and lamar were certainly in that world early on in their careers where you're like make a play like you just found a way to do something positive and then i say baker's baker's always been you know one of the things like crazy fearless crazy fearless and jackson plays that way like don't don't like i think what what we watch with dart is like it's that stereotypical everybody else around him is better because of him you know you're watching him elevate everybody just by his style like don't you think he when i watch dart I'm like, oh, he walks out on the field thinking he's the best player on the field.

49:08He really thought he was the best player on the field last night. And then all of a sudden, so does Scadaboo. And then all of a sudden, so does little Jordan Humphrey. And then all of a sudden, like Theo Johnson does. Like these guys are just playing so much more confident because this dude just continues to make plays for them.

49:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think also about Jackson Dart, and you talk about it radiating, I love that he's taking on the identity of Dayball, I think, too. Like, that feels like a very good match. Him, Scadaboo, Dayball, I feel like they all see life in ball the same way. So they're going to be pulling for things to be motivated by. And I know this has happened to you before. It has now happened to us. Roll the press conference from Jackson Dart last night, please.

49:51AJ Hawk:I just feel like we have a little bit more, like, excitement, you know, in the locker room. Like, we feel like any time we go out there on the field with anybody that we're playing against, like, you know, we have a chance to win. And, like, it doesn't matter what Vegas says. It doesn't matter what the spread is. You know, I was watching the Pat McAfee, and they're talking about the point spread of who's going to win the game. And we don't care about that stuff. Like, we feel like we're confident to go out there and put on good performance and win games.

50:21He's watching the Pat McAfee.

50:23Pat McAfee:Hey, it's the Pat McAfee. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate him doing that. And, Jackson, we're big fans of yours. I think if he is a watcher of the program, he knows that. Cam Scadaboo, too. I would like to let that locker room know we love the cut of their jib. We love the cut of their jib. But I do appreciate the fact that they're looking for it still, AJ. In this world of hearing everything, they're not scared of it at all. They're taking it and going for it, which makes me like them even more. This Giants team might be on the precipice of something special. Go ahead, AJ.

50:52Nick Saban:Yeah, Dan, pivoting to the other side, the Eagles. What do you think their issue is offensively, why they're struggling in the second half? when you watch their offense, I guess, what do they need to do to get back on track?

51:02Pat McAfee:And Dan, we know you're trying to get the offensive coordinator job right now. Don't aim. Make your case, Dan. No, no, no. Trust me, trust me. I've done that in the past before when I was young. I've gone after people with the job thing. I'll never do that again. So it's never one thing, AJ. It's never one thing. I would say, one, I think they're very much so in the shotgun way too much. and I just come from the world and belief that when you're in the shot get as much as you're like, I don't know what this play is, but I could just tell you where Saquon is. It's a pass. Yep. Like it's where when you line up in the gun and AJ, you know, this better than I do.

51:40Like you're constantly giving defenses tells and tendencies. So one, you're in the gun way too much. And then if you watch the Giants defensive line last night, AJ, early downs, especially when Saquon was in that, like he's almost a half a yard behind Jalen you would watch the Giants defensive line like because they're in the gun all they would do would they play stand up and they would put hands on the offensive line or like tackle of the Eagles and they would just watch what you're doing and there's no feel of firing off the ball in many ways there's no feel of like doubt they're just okay I think it's run confirm and then just go I just think they're way too predictable in that regard so the shotgun i think the second thing is this they're not a play action centric offense so from a defensive perspective if you see saquon in that little bit of a depth alignment which is more than often a run for them and you know that they're not a really a play action offense once you see jaylen kind of catch the ball do this your sellout run because you're not really like worried about that play action or that stretch or that doubt and i don't think they make defenses play in doubt in that regard.

52:53So that's it. They're running the same past concepts on a consistent basis. Like that pick that should have gone for a pick six or almost does. That was the fourth time in that game. The fourth time in that game, they ran that past concept out of that formation. You can't do that in the league that much. You just can't like, and so I think there's a predictability in their past concepts that they really just run the same three or four. and then yes there's a reality that their guards are not playing up to the level that we we saw last year um and so when you're predictable and simple it's really difficult to go and operate

53:30Nick Saban:is it an easy fix dano is that something you can fix like in the course of a week or two yeah and i don't think it's this 180 change like this isn't the war on gun it's you have to get out of the gun more you you have to be willing to put the quarterback under center a little bit and just create a little bit of maybe a downhill run game, maybe a little bit of a play action, maybe get your offensive line to fire off the football a little bit more instead of being a little RPO-centric. And so I'm not telling everybody that they've got to go 50-50. Last year they were probably 70-30, 75-25 type of thing.

54:07But I think that would be a place where I start. And then, you know, past concept-wise, it's not – You know, listen, they weren't a team that threw the ball of the middle field a ton last year either. That was a reality for them. But they were also so dominant up front that it wasn't a necessity. You're not right now. So you have to create some advantage for your offense. And they just don't. All right.

54:32Pat McAfee:I didn't know how many more you had. You said like one thing and then you had ten things. Feels like you've broken down this offense pretty good. But your biggest problem, it seems like, your biggest gripe with what they do offensively is that they can read the knuckles. It's too easy. Hey, for red, they're doing this. If they're white, they're doing this. These defensive guys. And Connor, you pointed it out on the photo. That guy who gets that pick almost six, Saquon Barkley, busting his ass, by the way, making a tackle. Same with Jalen. He was down there. You love to see that no matter what's happening in the situation.

55:00Pat McAfee:But Connor, you pointed out, he's smiling the whole time. DBs, I wish Darius was on right now, are probably loving playing against his Philadelphia Eagles team, Orlovsky, right? That's probably something that's very real. Yeah, absolutely. because you've, I mean, think about it in this regard, from a defense perspective, both as a totality thing and an individual thing. If you're the corner, you are like seeing three or four routes. You're not seeing that many different routes, you know? And so, I mean, even on the first third down, they motioned Dallas Goddard out there. They run the five yard short in, in the corner.

55:35They run that like 17 times a game. And so I think that, um, you know, there just needs to be a lot of growth in what they're trying to do. And it's, I'm not saying that this is like, you got to reinvent yourself, but yeah, from a defensive line perspective, I talked to defensive people in the NFL about this. I even asked McCordy on Jason McCordy on NFL live about this. I said, Hey, am I like searching for ghosts in this alignment thing? Again, I don't want to like be making stuff up. He's like, no, he's like, we would have people if we were playing a team like that on the sideline yelling to us because sometimes when you're lined up, you can't necessarily see it.

56:16They would have people on the sideline yelling. I've texted people that I know, hey, do you see this? The responses have been, yes, there's absolutely tendencies and tells that we would and have paid attention to. I just think that's something they've got to address.

56:32Pat McAfee:A lacrosse dad on your kid's team doesn't really. The guy you know, you said you texted Mason. But McCourty, I like McCourty saying that though. That's good. Just for future reference, TV reps. The whole TV reps. And also digitally, let's get you a deal with the NFL so you stop stealing their footage. Cost money, Dan. Yeah, stealing their footage. I would love to. You can make it happen, then I'll be forever grateful. As I already am. Put it on the list. Put it on the list.

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57:55Nick Saban:Football! That's what it's all about, Pat. I don't know how your little quick two, three-minute break went over there, but you got a beautiful setting out there. I know we got Coach Saban coming up in about 8, 10 minutes. How's it going, man? Yeah, it's beautiful out here. I don't know what this thing is going to do. I like it. It's real artsy.

58:11Pat McAfee:It's that new hat? Yeah. There's no same hat from the first hour, same shirt from the first hour. And they actually heard that I mentioned the hoodie was too small. So they actually brought up a new one. There we go. Oregon football. This place is the greatest. This place is the greatest. Very kind of us. It's obviously far. A man who made the long haul. And, you know, I think he's going to have some incredible opinions on what happened last night, especially because the two guys that are running shit, literally and figuratively, for the New York Giants are rookies. And obviously, we just got a chance to enjoy their entire final seasons at college, both at Arizona State and at Ole Miss.

58:47Pat McAfee:A man who called the game last night in New York. I don't know where he is right now. I know the plane map thing that I saw has him all over the place for like the third straight. This has been maybe the worst setup for him, convenience-wise, three straight weeks to start this season. I mean, it's been, hey, you're traveling the long haul, but obviously he loves it, ladies and gentlemen. Blue Eyes, former president of Ohio, Kirk Herbstreit. Yeah, Kirk! Former president. Okay, so you're out here. There he is. You made it out here.

59:16AJ Hawk:I did. I did. I landed. I think we landed around 6.30 a.m. Eastern. Made it. Peter's here safely. That's the most important thing. Yes. But yeah, we're here. We're here and enjoying ourselves. How are you doing? Good.

59:34Pat McAfee:Got in early morning as well. I showed you my setup last night at a way too nice of an event that I was not supposed to be at. My wife certainly was supposed to be there with how beautiful she looked. Kalen obviously gets celebrated. There's some ex-royals at this thing. The commissioners at this thing. There's a lot of money being raised for Project Healthy Mind, which is obviously helping folks get mental health assistance easier. And there's a lot of money committed to it. So it was a cool event to be a part of. I'm watching game on iPhone, on my wife's iPhone on table. Okay. Straight out of a commercial, straight out of a movie.

1:00:10Pat McAfee:Kayla Nurse, also watching, obviously. And Kay Adams. Our entire table there is basically up in the front, huddled around. Carson Daly, his son behind us, have the game on. Eagles Giants and then they have Islanders Penguins on because they're from Long Island Pittsburgh Penguins beat them don't worry about that don't worry about that and there was certainly there was certainly some Jaston going on so I didn't get a chance to hear you call the game and it's entirely whenever those four tush pushes are happening in real time what's your reaction and have you seen how a lot of the football world has responded on the internet to them running four straight and how do you feel Sirianni feels about all of it does he even think about anybody's reaction other than a first down then a touchdown

1:00:51AJ Hawk:No, no. I think he prides himself on first down. I mean, what was weird is that's the first time I've seen him do it when it was third and about three and a half. And I thought it was like a two for one. Like you knew that, OK, we'll run one of these, get it to like fourth and one, and then we'll run another one. But they just kept going. I mean, it was I don't think we're all fans of it. But if it's not going to be outlawed, can you blame them? I mean, it works. By the way, how come other teams can't copy this and mimic it? It's bizarre how Philly seems to be the only one that can run it. Why don't they jump on the side?

1:01:29AJ Hawk:Yeah, because all the other teams get the flag for a cheat. I can tell you the rule here. Yeah. Hold on now. I can tell you the rule because we got a tutorial in our Wednesday meeting from the league about this being emphasized with the guards jumping early. And they said if you go frame by frame in a replay and you can see a guard jumping, that's not what they're looking for. They said you have to look at real time. Does it look like the guards are moving? Run it in real time and see if you think it looks like. You know, you can find the tackle is a lot of time. That's real time. That's real time.

1:02:14Pat McAfee:Define real time, Kirk. I think that's real time right there because these guys didn't realize real lies. And that's real time right there, brother. And it's – no, I understand what you're saying. And this also goes back to –

1:02:26AJ Hawk:Bro, bro, bro, bro, we're talking about the only good moment for the Eagles all night. Like, I know you were at the dinner. Like, the story is not tush-push. It's holy shit. I mean, we knew Jackson Dart and Scadaboo were going to be a story, but, bro, they helped the defense get better. All of a sudden, Brian Dayball was a great coach. The concession team did a better job. Parking out front did a better job. This dude affected everybody. I was leaving. Al and I were walking out with everybody, and we walked by a couple of these older ushers that are in the area where the booth was. And I said, hey, man, how long have you been here doing this job?

1:03:11AJ Hawk:And he's like, 40 years. I was like, what was the last time? Because I don't get here a lot. What was the last time the Giants had a home game with this kind of juice, this kind of vibe? And he said, honestly, Dable's first year, they made the playoffs. He goes, but I haven't seen or felt that in decades. Think about that. and that's a guy that's at every game and i i said it during the broadcast sometimes we get caught up in quarterbacks and the xos and he can make this throw and this is an example of a guy impacting the entire franchise because of his belief you can call it the it factor you can call it confidence clearly making quick decisions very well prepared but he's got some just he's got an aura around him.

1:04:05AJ Hawk:Scadaboo doing backflips after he scores. I mean, these guys have gone from like, nobody wants to watch him to now, I don't know about you, I want to watch the Giants next week. And they were up 14 to 3 on the Saints last week, and they had five straight turnovers. This team could very easily be 3-0 with this combination of Dart and Scadaboo. So, a lot of fun. And then for Philly, it's like, holy cow, now what? They already felt the sky was falling. before this game, and now you lose this one. You're still 4-2, but their fan base, that's a tough night for that city. Lose to the Dodgers to clinch the LCS for L.A., then lose this game 34-17.

1:04:49AJ Hawk:That's got to be one of the darkest nights for Philly in a long time.

1:04:53Pat McAfee:It's not just Philly that lost last night. It was also the Gamblers. Tone, what's the stat now on over six-point favorites or over seven-point favorites now on the season? Okay, so the stat for let's start with over 60 % against the spread is now 13-31. Okay, now favorites have lost outright in the last four primetime games. The Rams lost. They were 8.5-point favorites. The Bills lost. They were 8-point favorites. The Eagles lost a 7.5-point favorite. Those were all home teams as well. Chiefs also lost on the road, minus 3.5 in Jacksonville. Dogs are now 13-6 against the spread in night games this season.

1:05:30Wow.

1:05:31Pat McAfee:Herbie, we're losing. The public is losing, and I happen to be with them, it feels like, on a very regular basis because we're trying to learn what teams are. That Eagles team, what are they? I know the story is the Giants. I think they're – I agree.

1:05:46AJ Hawk:I think they're – last year they're 2-2. Everybody wanted to fire Kellen Moore. Obviously they found their way. This is a team that's got a ton of injuries. This is a team that lost 10 players off that defense that played in the Super Bowl a year ago. They're just new pieces. They're not healthy, the offensive line. I was talking to KP, their offensive coordinator. He's like, you know, we haven't practiced all 11 together all year since camp because we've had injuries. We've had guys recovering from surgeries. It's just a reality of where they are right now. Can they put it together? Absolutely.

1:06:22AJ Hawk:Are they being tested? Absolutely. But they've got to get healthy, and they've got to get their swagger back because right now it's – they're offensively, they're searching for an identity. They're searching for consistency. And I think – they're 4-2, man. I mean, they're – but they got to get their offense to find an identity and a rhythm and consistency because right now they're in search mode. But I think it's a combination of they're not the team that they were in February when they blew the Chiefs out. They've got a lot of new pieces, and they're trying to find it. But there's enough obvious superstars on that roster to think that they're going to get it going.

1:07:03AJ Hawk:But right now, they're in search mode. That's where they are after six games.

1:07:08Pat McAfee:I believe in Sirianni being able to get everybody going in the right direction. He's obviously proven that. He's a Super Bowl champion head coach. They're the reigning Super Bowl champs currently. But it feels like a different vibe in that locker room. Hopefully, they're able to make it happen. You talk about Kelly Moe, them wanting him to be fired last year. Nick Sirianni was getting it, like, basically until, like, week 13. Maybe week 14, they wanted him fired. I mean, that comes with the job. This year, it just does – it feels a little different. Hopefully, they're able to figure it out. Connor has a question for you about a team that I think you, at one point, had season tickets for, I think.

1:07:41Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Kirk, Pat mentioned it. You were the former president of Ohio with AJ, and so I assume you still have your finger on the pulse just because you were such a great president for those people. But Joey Flacco going to Cincinnati, kind of becoming Ohio's new son, Cleveland to Cincy, hopefully trying to save the Bengals season until Joe Burrow gets back. How do you think this is going to go this weekend? I think a lot of people, you know, looking from the outside in are saying like, oh, Joey Flacco already beat the Packers with the Browns. Now he's going to go to the Bengals and they're going to beat the Packers again.

1:08:16But then when you look at some stats, he's like the worst quarterback in the league when and he doesn't have time, and the Bengals are the worst offensive line in football by a wide margin. How do you see this going? Do you think this will help Cincy kind of get back on track and kind of be able to hold on until Burrow gets back and save their season, or do you think this might just be another failed attempt and Jake Browning was probably just going to be the same exact thing as what this is going to be?

1:08:41AJ Hawk:You know, when you have a quarterback that doesn't move around, now it comes down to how well can you run the football and how well can you protect. And he's only as good as they give him the opportunity to, we know what he can do. It's very obvious what he can do, even at his age. But are they going to help him? Is the line going to allow their running game, which has been non-existent? Are they going to be able to run the football? And we know the weapons on the outside, but Jamar Chase is frustrated because it's been hard for Jake Browning to be able to get the ball to him. So I like the idea of it.

1:09:17AJ Hawk:I like the idea of shaking it up, going to a veteran guy. But I think it's really more about how is the defense playing, how is the running game doing, how is the offensive line in general playing. We have them next Thursday night with Tone. Pittsburgh comes to Cincinnati. Wow. I'm interested to see how – Rodgers, Flack in primetime.

1:09:38Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What year is it? Rodgers, Flack. Oh, it's back. That's all I heard. Who cares what year it is? I know it was a good one. And it is all the way back. Herbie, this weekend, we're out here in Oregon. Okay? We're out here in Oregon. They feel like the most all-in team. I don't know. I guess there's other teams that are very much all-in. But whenever you talk about just like sports, investment, you name it, Oregon comes to the top of the mind immediately because it's always been this way. The Phil Knight effect, the Nike effect at Oregon before NIL was real. Lockers were better than everything.

1:10:21Pat McAfee:Uniforms were better than everything. Jersey, swag, you name it. They had it better than everything, and that was just like a part of being a part of the team. Now that they're able to really benefit off it even more, they're building a brand-new building just to build a brand-new building out of you, just to do it. And it's like they already have new buildings, and they're building new ones. There was a crane outside on my way in here. Crane obviously means building up a city. You go to a city, you see a lot of cranes. That means shit's going very well in that city. Okay, that's what that means.

1:10:47Pat McAfee:They're trying to build. They're trying to – boom. When you see cranes, that is a good thing for cities. Cities are doing well whenever you see cranes. Right out here, you see cranes, and then you see go ducks all over these cranes. They're like 100 feet tall, 200 feet. It's like all in on Oregon sports. It's always, like, special it feels like to come out here and do a game. This is my third one, I think, out here. The morning start. The fans, Pacific Northwest fans, I think in general, a little bit more hooligany like soccer fans, but they show up in a big way. This is special out here, Kirk.

1:11:19Pat McAfee:It really does.

1:11:21AJ Hawk:Bro, I love, I'm with you, and I love, I've always loved coming out to Eugene. When we first came out here, when Chip Kelly was here, I thought, you know, Eugene, Oregon, how the heck are we going to get there? And then when we got here and we had game day and we're on, you know, live at 6 a.m. local, and I didn't know what to expect. It's dark out, and as far as you could see, were people out there. And I don't know, 10 ,000 or 15 ,000 people at 6 in the morning. Kind of like what Cal was like last year. It always blows me away when we go on the West Coast and we get these huge crowds for College Game Day.

1:11:52AJ Hawk:And it'll be that way tomorrow. Shout out to Chip Kelly and Phil Knight and what they created initially, Mike Belotti. Because Oregon, where you're sitting right now, Pat, they are a national brand. It used to just be USC on the West Coast was a national brand. Oregon and their style of play, not just the uniforms, the style of play, the aggressive nature that they created. Dan Lanning, I think, has taken it even to another level. The commitment to the program. I was just over at the softball stadium. Rob Mullins, their AD, the commitment to everything they do here is first class. So I love it.

1:12:31AJ Hawk:Anytime I hear Eugene, Oregon, I know it's a long haul, but I'm fired up to always come out here. I will ask you this because I think that the one guy that has a real dilemma on his hands this weekend is none other than Pat McAfee. Because he's got his home squad in their Adidas. Really bad uniform. Whoa! They're making a push. They're making a push. It's hideous. It's hideous. And while I'm at it, the Miami uniform is hideous as well. Whoa! It is gorgeous. Gorgeous green. Could not be any worse. Adidas. There you go.

1:13:07Nick Saban:Let him know, Kirk. Let him know. Couldn't be any worse. It's hideous. Don't like it. I don't like what you're doing. I love this. Miami. Miami. This guy stinks. This guy stinks.

1:13:19AJ Hawk:Miami uniforms are a disgrace. They're a disgrace. They need to go back. Mute him. Mute him, Mike. Hold on.

1:13:25Pat McAfee:Will you hold on a second? Indiana's are crap. Their uniforms are terrible. I can't stand it. Unbelievable. You got to like the cleats, though, right? I love the cleats. If you're comparing it. Hold on, AJ. Don't gas him up anymore. We don't need to continue doing it. He's already wiping down. Hey, wait a second.

1:13:41AJ Hawk:Now, wait a second. So the dilemma is Pat's got his home team, go Hoosiers, IU, got Indiana against your guy, Dan Lanning. You got a real, real, real problem on your hands, my friend.

1:13:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, certainly not a desirable position for anybody to be in. But what you just did to Adidas that is currently investing a lot of money in American football, okay, welcome to this sport, was maybe partially correct. Some of their stuff is ass. It's awful. True. Awful. But they got some stuff. Adidas superstores are unbelievable. They're investing in football. We assume it's only going to get better. The cleats, just like when Under Armour started, click-clack, right, AJ? Click-clack and we're click-clacking all around. We were. You remember that? AJ was looking at cameras. Wide lens. He was going like this.

1:14:29He was going, click-clack, dude.

1:14:34Pat McAfee:Click-clack, dude. And then you go, yo, click-clack, dude. That was what AJ was doing. And look where they've come. Look where they've come. Adidas getting into football, American football in a big way. I think it's only a road, hopefully, up. I don't mind them getting involved, but just the uniforms,

1:14:53AJ Hawk:they just need to be redone. They look terrible. It's just a bad look. They're high quality, fit well Thank you Gumps, Gumps the soccer fan Gump, you stop it Hey they just gave Liverpool They just gave Liverpool a billion dollars For ten years brother I don't want to hear it Gump

1:15:12Nick Saban:It's short to a shirt Gump That's their uniform Alright Herbie We appreciate the hell out of you brother

1:15:20Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen

1:15:20AJ Hawk:Here you go real quick Yes please

1:15:36Pat McAfee:He knows. He knows the bark. I think we did hear him earlier. What up, dude? You might want to change that bandana, Kirk. You might want to take that bandana off.

1:15:46AJ Hawk:North Carolina women's lacrosse.

1:15:50Pat McAfee:Different sport. Smart. North Carolina. Great colors. especially on that boy hair, Petey. All right, we appreciate you guys. Enjoy yourself, ladies and gentlemen. Kirk Harbstreit. Yeah, Kirk Harbstreit. Yeah, Kirk Harbstreit. All right, that was fun, ladies and gentlemen, from a man and his dog that have captivated the world to a goat. AJ, give me about 45 seconds here, please.

1:16:13Nick Saban:For sure, guys. Did anyone have any idea that Kirk was gonna go on an anti-Adidas uniform rant? No idea. Has he ever, like, given us, has he ever said anything like that before? No. I didn't know he felt so strong. He wasn't exactly wrong either. No, but he also – it kind of – it was really Adidas slander, but then he kind of tried to say, well, no, it's the uniforms themselves that just don't look great. So I don't know if he loves the makeup of the Indiana uniform, of the Miami uniform, or if he's really just more of a I don't want to see Adidas on a football field. It is weird when you see a Nike team go to Adidas, though.

1:16:45Nick Saban:No doubt. Miami was – weren't they Nike and Jordan for a while? Yeah, when they won the national championship. And then Adidas is throwing some cash at people. And Dorsey was rocking the check. Yeah, he was. Of course, that's what they were. What's up, Conway? Well, and that's the biggest thing. There's a clear Gatorade power rate when it comes to uniforms and stuff, and that is Nike in Under Armour and Adidas and all that stuff. But the checkmark's a checkmark, baby. That's why Oregon sent Pat 200 things in a box. The Nike swoosh. Pat, who are you over there with? I know he was a Nike guy, a guy whose teams were Nike guys for a long, long time.

1:17:22Nick Saban:Coach Nick Saban. Coach, you like Nike or Adidas? What's your thought? You got any idea on that right now? Anybody, anybody. We like anybody. We like anybody, right? We like anybody who pays the most. Bingo. Boom. That's how everybody decided what they're going to wear. That's the goat. That's the goat. But, you know, I got a little, you know, Herb Street, Ohio State. They've been wearing the same uniform. They have exactly the same uniform. when I coached there in 1980. Ever heard of transmission, Coach? And he's complaining about Indiana. I mean, the same Buckeye leagues, the same helmet, the same everything.

1:17:57Same Nike.

1:17:57Pat McAfee:Same Nike. It's like Penn State, Michigan. They're all iconic, which I think a lot of people would say, well, we don't do any creativity on the jerseys. Then we're just, no, we're iconic. We're a brand. We're a brand. You guys were, I assume, a part of the first rollout of sponsorship teams. Because I remember when I was at West Virginia, we got upgraded in our Nike deal. I remember that was a big deal. We won the Sugar Bowl my freshman year, and then they were like, congratulations, you've been upgraded in your Nike deal. And it was evident. Like our new uniforms were much better. Oregon obviously maxed out all the time.

1:18:30Pat McAfee:Were you guys – you were in the middle of that type of shit, during that era of happening, and now Adidas is coming in in a huge way, which I think is good for the sport, obviously. No question. I think it's good for the sport. But we were a part of that. But, you know, the part of that that I experienced the most, because I was one of these iconic guys, I never wanted to change the uniform, because I always felt the fans had an expectation of what they expected to see. And it was kind of a traditional thing. So I never wanted to change the uniform. I never wanted to be responsible for that. But the one thing that when we upgraded, you know, Nike gives you a lot of product as a coach.

1:19:07Pat McAfee:Oh. I never saw any of it. What? Everybody in West Virginia is wearing Miss Terry's Nike stuff all over the damn place. And I never... In all those years, I never got any stuff. What was the website, AJ, that guys with Nike deals would go to? I forget what... Oh, now you say that. I forget it. Yeah. I was an Under Armour guy early on.

1:19:25Nick Saban:I don't remember, actually.

1:19:26Pat McAfee:Did you guys have the website? Did Under Armour have one of these? So guys that would get Nike deals, they'd get like, let's say,$10 ,000 in merch. That's right. You wouldn't get any money, but you'd get$10 ,000 in merch. and then you could log on to their website and you would have like back end access to shit and i think cole hahn was with them as well at that time so you could get like golf cole hahn and uh some nike stuff i had like a 1400 deal or something that thing was gone before i got the pair of golf clubs you know that thing was that thing was out of there with my deal but i them that partnership in sports nike now adidas coming into is paramount for everything and that leads to my next question about this place whenever you see what dan lanning has been able to build here obviously everybody talks about phil knight i assume there's other people with money as well because every sport out here is seemingly good baseball team i just drove by 93 draft picks in the mlb 39 mlb players i think there's national championships galore they call this place what track town or something like that or fast city i forget where track town usa track town usa is what they call it because of the amount of olympians that come through their track program they hosted the olympic trials out here their football team obviously incredible i think there's a volleyball Well, everything out here is good because they're financing it and they want it to be good.

1:20:36Pat McAfee:That's a special thing to be out here. And what have your thoughts been since coming out here and experiencing it? Oh, I love this place. You know, I think it's a beautiful place. But I think you have to have a tremendous amount of respect for what they've been able to accomplish here. Because I remember, I don't know how many years ago before, you know, Chip Kelly and that whole crew came here. They, Mike Bellotti, they weren't really that good. They were good in track. They were good in some other sports, but they have, you know, established a tremendous tradition in terms of their ability to be successful in football, which is, I think, you know, the number one sport that people are going to watch.

1:21:15Hell yeah. And where they're going to kind of, you know, create their image of what the place is like. And the image of this place because of Nike, because of success that they've had is, you know, it's as good as any place in the country.

1:21:28Pat McAfee:Absolutely. You love to see the Ducks on primetime television. Mostly because their uniforms are going to be awesome, but also their style of play. Dan Lanning has an intensity about him and aura about him, and his team seemingly follows suit. Let's talk about Cignetti's team. Kurt Cignetti, former coach alongside you, and last year you had a great quote to him. What I didn't teach you is talking all that damn shit that you talk. He is pretty vocal. He's from Pittsburgh and West Virginia. I think that's where he learned that, I think, from that particular background. Obviously, football family, football guy, long haul, getting an opportunity at Indiana now, and having money behind him.

1:22:02Pat McAfee:Two seasons, having a lot of success, had to rebuild this year. Do you think this team and this culture has taken his identity, and how do you think they will be able to handle Otzen, this stadium, which people talk about being one of the best and loudest places in the entire country? Well, first of all, having both of these guys on staff at some point in time in their career, these two guys are probably as different personality-wise as anybody could ever be. Yes. I mean, it's polar. opposite. But I think the point is, is there's more than one way to skin a cat. So you can be very different in a lot of ways and still be successful as long as you believe in the process and the faith that you have and, you know, your principles and values in terms of, you know, Kirk Signetti has always been an offensive guy, very serious about learning football and trying to be the best at it, but not always his personality has grown in terms of his identity.

1:23:04And Dan Lanning has always been a positive, upbeat, defensive guy, but full of energy, enthusiasm, excitement, and I think it's contagious on everybody else. So these two guys are so different. But I do think Kirkson has done a really good job as a head coach. You know, these two guys' record is very similar, you know, as head coaches in terms of where they've been. And probably doing it in a completely different style.

1:23:29Pat McAfee:Definitely. But both guys very successful in what they've done. And I think if you were to ask Signetti, which everybody brings up about Lanning, is he had to make that program down there in Indiana. Like, he had to create the football program, basically. They had a football team. They did not have a football program. They had a basketball program. They had a basketball team. And by program, I mean they had donors, boosters, events, expectations, everything like that. Even though they hadn't had it for a long time, that was kind of expected. Football down there was just something that happened on Saturdays every once in a while in their stadium.

1:23:59Pat McAfee:Like, if you want to come hang out with, like, 100 or 200 other people, you can come watch the Hoosiers. He's had to make that place. Is it sustainable what he's doing every year, turning over the roster, being able to find the right guys? Fernando Mendoza, his quarterback out of Cal, obviously had a lot of the same cuts as Kid Kaneda's little brother. Rourke. Nathan Rourke. Curtis Roark. Played a lot of football, had success. He was at Cal, obviously different than James Madison. But whenever you have that early success and grind, that feels like who Signetti wants. But Mendoza is taking his team to another level.

1:24:31Pat McAfee:And then he might be the first overall pick. Then he's going to have to do it again and do it again. Sig feels like a guy that can do that? Or how sustainable is everything like that? Well, I think when you're having that many changes on your roster every year, you know, you have to do a fantastic job of evaluation, which, you know, Kurt Cignetti has done that so far. I don't think you could change a program as quickly as he has Indiana, especially one that doesn't have a tradition of success and culture as a football program, as you mentioned, without Transfer Portal. Need it to upstart it, I think.

1:25:05Pat McAfee:You need to, like, shift gears. We need new players, quick players. We need to be able to do this quickly. And he brought a bunch of players from his old school that knew his culture and how he wanted to do it. And got a quarterback in there that could make some plays. Now he has an even better quarterback, in my opinion. That's good. So I do think it's sustainable, but I also think there's a lot of risk involved when you have that much change every year on your roster. You know, I was always able to be in a position where you could develop players and you knew what was coming. and they bought into the culture and the older guys influenced the younger guys and it just kept on and on and on.

1:25:46So you had this sort of built-in tradition when it came to what the expectations were. But when you bring new players in and you have that many every year, that's a more difficult challenge, I think.

1:26:02Pat McAfee:Chris Ballard said it once whenever he was trying to develop the Indianapolis Colts and he has his best team right now and I'm happy for him getting a chance to experience a little happiness as a general manager. He said you have to establish the culture before you bring in the free agents because if you bring in the free agents, then they're the ones setting your culture. Now, in college football, though, teams and fans don't have a lot of patience. So using the transfer portal to have early success while building your culture through recruiting or maybe younger transfer portal stuff is certainly what you have to do at the same time.

1:26:28Pat McAfee:I think Indiana's ready to do it. I think Cignetti's enjoying his time. I really appreciate what he's done for the Hoosiers. He's got a lot of Hoosiers around there. My wife is a Hoosier. But really, Pat, I think you can do it as long as you do it up front. Like, you know, when I was recruiting players, I always told them, this is our expectation for what we want you to do here. The kind of person we want to be, what your academic responsibility is going to be, what the commitment to being the best football player you can be, all these things up front. And I would say, this place is not for everybody.

1:26:58So don't come here if you don't want to do these things. so you can sort of set the table for the culture with the people that come in and some of them don't choose you I used to tell them everybody can't play for the Yankees man, I mean that's the way it is so don't come here if this is not what you want to do because the standards high the commitment's got to be high

1:27:19Pat McAfee:anybody can play for the Yankees now brother I'm sorry they got beat thank you coach I did, I watched them and it was heartbreaking and wrenching to watch. 25 runs in two games. How about how Aaron Judge did too? Aaron Judge played so good. And then Vladdy's dancing on your guys' grave. Duh! Yankees, lose! Broken English? Broken English. Two guys, broken English, just burying the Yankees. In Jeter's face. Duh!

1:27:56Pat McAfee:Yankees, lose! I mean, what a moment. That was tough. Ty was really riding the wave. He came in the next day, obviously had drank an entire bottle of Jack Daniels after that loss. He was really going through it. But now he says he's moving on. And what do you say, Ty? It's going to be the same shit next year. We're going to lose, and this is what the Yankees are now. That's what he said in a moment. I don't know if he's a little hungover or still in despair. Do you still feel that way about the Yankees right now? Yeah, that's pretty spot on. There's about four to five glaring holes that definitely need to be changed that will not be changed.

1:28:26It'll kind of be, hey, run this thing back next year, and guess what? My dumb ass will be there ready, you know, opening day with all my Yankees shit on, screaming, excited for another season.

1:28:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, so will he. So will he. Yeah, but to the organization, why change if you have fans that are loyal as you are that's coming back no matter what? You're saying it's his fault. Ty, this is your fault. I've been calling for change. AJ, what's your question for Coach?

1:28:52Nick Saban:Yeah, Coach, we talked about Ohio State and their sweet Nike deal earlier. They look great, the nice traditional iconic uniforms that we all know and love. And obviously you coached on the staff there years ago. But they're traveling to Illinois, take on Bielema and the boys. Another top 25 matchup on the road. Julian saying the young QB at Ohio State. What do you think, I guess, what do you want to see if you were Ryan Day right now? What do you want to see from your Ohio State team? We know we want to win. But what are you going to work on, I guess, on the road, another big test? Well, I think they've been one of the most consistent teams so far this season.

1:29:23I mean, look at their defense. They've only given up, what, 25 points for the whole season and been dominant. And they played two really good teams, Texas and Washington, and dominated both those games. And if you talk about Julian Sand, nobody in the country is completing 80 % of his passes but him. And I know he's got some good receivers, but they've been able to run the ball. The offensive line has played pretty well. So I think the emphasis for Ryan Day has got to be focus on improvement and consistency in performance so we don't have ups and downs during this season. And I don't think the Big Ten is really that deep.

1:30:01I think Illinois does have a pretty decent team. But it's not like the SEC where you've got eight or nine teams that can beat you. There might be three or four teams in the Big Ten that can beat you. This is him setting seeds.

1:30:12Pat McAfee:We know. Big Ten's expanded now, Coach. We let some people in, Coach. Big Ten's deeper now. Deeper by what? But Penn State, I mean, tell me the good teams. Maybe Michigan. I mean, USC's all right, aren't they? Well, we'll see tomorrow. You're right. They're all right. But all right is not really what I'm talking about. We can only play who we play. You think USC's going to beat Ohio State? You think that would be a game if they played? Really? I sure hope not. No, but you have Oregon, Indiana, legit so far. And we'll see how legit Indiana is probably tomorrow. I mean, Illinois got beat like a redheaded stepchild, you know, down in Indiana.

1:31:01So are they legit? I mean, come on. Ohio State's not so happy to beat Texas.

1:31:05Pat McAfee:Ohio State's great. SEC, Texas, beat the hell out of them. He just told me the death. 14-7. Yeah, beat the hell out of them. And Texas is not what everybody thought Texas would be. Well, the SEC loses. But A &M is pretty good. Georgia's pretty good. Ole Miss is pretty good. Alabama's got a chance. Missouri's got a chance. Okay. I mean, there's a lot of good teams. Tennessee's pretty good. Missouri. You got a chance? What are we talking about? This is the greatest. Hey, this can happen all day if we wanted to, which is why it is so spectacular that he is here. That whole Tennessee-Ohio State game last year at the playoffs just added so much for me to lock in about North football.

1:31:45Pat McAfee:You know, just like, hey, maybe we can't on the roster have guys run 4-2 at every position. Like you can in the South whenever it's 65, 70 degrees, maybe 90 degrees. Every single day, you need some SUVs up there. You know, sort of different style of teams. Where's the game happening to? Because I understand that culture and environment certainly matter in college football with 18 and 22-year-olds. That's why I think the home field advantage in the playoffs, whoever has it, I think is going to inevitably end up winning the games. I think personally. You know, I don't think there's any question about that.

1:32:15But, you know, one thing I would like to mention here is I do think the culture in college football right now, with name, image, and likeness, paying players money, has actually maybe hurt the SEC a little bit and helped the schools up north.

1:32:33Pat McAfee:Okay. Because if you're making your decision about money and somebody's going to pay you more to go to Ohio State or Michigan or wherever it is, and I'm not complaining about that. That's the way it is. then these people are going to be more willing to move. Kids are not growing up wanting to go to Alabama, wanting to go to Georgia, wanting to go to Florida, wanting to go to Texas. They want to go wherever who's going to pay them the most money. So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that culture has changed, which I think has made the regional advantage that the Southeastern Conference had for years is no longer an advantage.

1:33:12Pat McAfee:I'm excited to see how it all pans out. You know, because we're at a 12-team playoff right now. We're starting with 12, kind of down to one. And they're already thinking about expanding it, making it bigger. And it's like, how many teams are for real each year anyways? Right. You know, whenever you really think. In the NFL, we have this conversation. What is it? They say like six, seven teams in the NFL are actually built to win a Super Bowl. Even winning teams right now are looking at their teams and saying, nah, I don't know if we'll be able to win the big one. College has that type of thing too, right?

1:33:40Pat McAfee:I mean, that's kind of something. I assume at Alabama you knew if your team was a national championship team throughout the season or not? I knew if we had a chance, yes. Yes, with the way they were playing during the season, not looking at how they could be, right? Right, exactly. And what is the buy-in and commitment and passion on the team to sustain whatever they were capable of? Because I think that's a big thing now, too. I mean, these kids are not really as passionate. Maybe they're not as hungry. Because they got all this noise all the time. You know, I'm going to get in a portal at the end of the year.

1:34:15I'm not playing enough. What's my role on the team? So what's the commitment to the team and the commitment of the player to the team relative to what it normally was like when we played?

1:34:24Pat McAfee:Yeah. I mean, we played different eras, definitely. I mean, I wore helmets and stuff. You had helmets? Absolutely. But we just barely had face masks. Piecing that thing together. I can imagine they're piecing that together. Heather, you talk about a team and chemistry and getting along and the passion for a brand. I think we're really separating the dogs from not right now. I think the dogs are getting separated from the pretenders. Pretenders are going to be able to make a lot of money, though, in college ball, which is good for them. But the dogs are the ones everybody's trying to find to make their NFL team.

1:34:54Pat McAfee:I think we would all say Jalen Hurts, absolute dog. But now we've got some stuff going on in Philadelphia. Connor has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, loved everything you said. But I believe Missouri. I've seen people on the Internet calling Drinkowitz, Domkovitz. So, I mean, look, just slowly roll on there, okay, if we're going to compare the two. Internet people don't know. Tell them. Tell them internet people don't know, Coach. Don't let them say that about Drinkwits. I don't know. Okay. Okay. I'm just letting you know. Who put that out there? The guy that's wearing, you know, running around in his underwear and is living in his mother's basement?

1:35:28I don't live in my mom's basement, Coach. What's the source?

1:35:34Pat McAfee:BoneGrun69.com. Indianapolis, actually. He's living pretty good. Sorry. Yes. All right. So I'm just letting you know what people are saying about the entire SEC. But looking at the Eagles game last night, and Pat just mentioned it, there seems to be kind of like drama between their superstars. Jalen Hurts, Saquon, and A.J. Brown allegedly had a conversation about, you know, everything. And then A.J. Brown said, like, no, I wasn't there for that. And then I guess he just tweeted, actually. Yeah, right here, just to clear this up. This wasn't a meeting or a sit down. I said I don't recall because it got painted like there was tension and Suh, I assume Saquon, had to step in.

1:36:12That's not true. I was walking to my car, saw them, and stopped to talk. Nothing more. So A.J. Brown basically said hello to Jalen Hurts and they all made it seem like they had an hour-long conversation. Kind of weird when it comes to culture. And then you look at the Chiefs and I assume this might have been something you dealt with. Chris Jones, their highest paid defensive player, basically loafs at the end of the game, which almost allows, basically allows Trevor Lawrence to score a touchdown right here. This was huge earlier in the week. He really is just standing, walking. Maybe he makes a play, maybe he doesn't, but regardless, the effort isn't there.

1:36:46Is there a culture problem with some of these teams? I mean, the Chiefs and the Eagles are kind of the last two teams you would assume to have culture problems, but all the writing on the wall says that they kind of do. Is this something that needs to be fixed? know fixed is Andy Reid and Sirianni do they go to their star players like how would you handle that um in college and what do you think they're doing this week to try and figure that out well you know you guys have heard me talk about the fact that it's much more difficult to deal with success than it is failure you know when people get humiliated they usually respond pretty well but you know when you have success a lot of people get lots of attention uh people want more attention, being self-absorbed, how does this affect me?

1:37:30There's only one ball out there, so how do you distribute it to the runner who wants it, the receiver who wants it, the quarterback who wants to throw it? I mean, so these individual things, you can call it disease of me, whatever you want to call it, is how does everything affect me becomes a part of a problem on a successful team probably much greater than it does on a team that's struggling. So both of these teams that you're talking about has had a lot of success. And to be able to sustain that and keep the level of performance high, not have people get satisfied with where they are, because when you're satisfied, you're no longer hungry.

1:38:12So does that affect your attitude, your performance, your effort, all the things that you're talking about? And I think that's the most challenging thing for coaches. You know, I talked to Sirianni about this in the summertime. I've talked to Jane L. Hurts a couple times, you know, about it. And, you know, it's a challenge. It's a real challenge. You know, people just have a hard time dealing with success. In our society, you know, we think that if we have success, we're supposed to be able to rest on our laurels.

1:38:43Pat McAfee:Yanni's. And that doesn't happen. You know, I call that relief syndrome. And so, but anyway, that's the most challenging thing for us as human beings, not just for football teams and football players, but for us as human beings, that when we have success, can we sustain it? Rat poison. Rat poison is awful. It's real, too. It's very real. Just as a human that has seen and thought about some of the workouts that I did as an 18-year-old with no money, really hungry, and then now as an adult, like the mindset is just so much different whenever things are good. You know, they talk about, what's the quote we always bring up about boxers?

1:39:19Pat McAfee:It's hard to want to wake up and get punched in the face when you wake up on satin sheets or something like that. That happens whenever it comes to clout and attention and money and shit like that. It's not just satin sheets. It's everything else that kind of comes alongside of it. Do you think these two teams have enough veteran leadership to be able to correct the course? And do you still think with how much time is left, this might be a good thing for their story in the end because you can certainly build off this. Can you not? Build bonds? Yeah, and I think that, you know, you kind of lose respect for what it takes to win, lose respect for winning, however you want to say it.

1:39:51But when you don't have success and you have a couple losses, then people start to respond in a different way. And it kind of brings people together. So I do think they have the talent on their team, and I do think these teams have a chance to recover and respond.

1:40:07Pat McAfee:All right. Well, I appreciate hearing that, and I think their fans will as well. And I don't know if you saw the Scorsese shit happening while you were talking. Wow. We saw it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this happened right here in front of your eyes. Yeah. You see that zoom out right there, Coach? You see that? You see that? That's left hand. That's not strong. He's blown away. Yeah. Strong side, left side. This is not strong side. You know what I mean? This is – yeah, that is not – yeah, I felt pretty good about it. But you, obviously, giving such incredible takes, we've got to make sure we have you in there.

1:40:33Pat McAfee:Your leadership discussion and how you view teams and what they need to do and what they need to accomplish is second to none. And we can't reiterate this fact enough. We are so lucky we get a chance to catch up with you every single week. Tone has the last question for you. But you need to know all this shit that spills out of your mouth, we are listening. Right, AJ?

1:40:52Nick Saban:Absolutely. Who doesn't? I think everybody listens to this. No matter what you say, Coach, we're taking notes all the time.

1:40:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, you're coaching society right now. So any of this stuff, me mostly, but also society as a whole, and we're grateful for it. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Coach. Coach, the last time Indiana was in this situation, the regular season, was last year going into the shoe at Ohio State. And Signetti talked about how they were not prepared for the noise. He hated the silent count. He was never going to do the silent count again. I know you have had times where you said that you've hated the silent count. Over years and going into those big SEC stadiums with a ton of noise, what have you found that's worked best?

1:41:28And what do you think Signetti's going to do in Autzen, maybe differently than what he did last year at Ohio State? Yeah, well, you know, the problem with the noise and being in the gun is if you're under center, you can still use a snap count and people can hear the offensive line. When you're in the gun, it becomes more challenging. All right. So most people try to go on the clap, but sometimes you can't hear the clap. So what do you do? Now you can go on the leg lift, which means the center has to keep his head between his legs to snap the ball and can't see who he's supposed to block, or if the defense stems, he can't do that.

1:42:05So there is a definite disadvantage no matter what you do, and if you go on the silent, you know, which is what you're talking about, the guard taps the guy and then the guy snaps the ball, I mean, now the offensive linemen have to keep their eye on the ball to see when the ball moves, or you're going to have lots of penalties. And these penalties are drive stoppers because they put you behind and down a distance, and when you're playing against a good defensive team, you know, that's a huge problem. So I don't know what the solution is. I just hated to go on the silent. I hated that. So we tried to clap whenever we could.

1:42:41You know, I told you guys before, you know, we had to have a clap session with Bryce Young because he didn't clap very loud so that he clapped louder. What made a good clap?

1:42:51Pat McAfee:You got to hit the good palm? You know, you got to hit the good palm? You got to hit the palm right. Hit the palm right. You got to splash it. Do you talk to somebody about that? You got a good one. Who's the expert? Who's the clap guy? I've got a buddy who's a clap expert, but we're talking about different. Johnny Sins, maybe? He was a dirty guy. He was a dirty guy. Coach, you know what we're talking about. You shouldn't, though. On that note, who's the clap expert? Did you bring in the America's Got Talent clap guy? Like the most decibel clap guy? No, we just took the quarterback coach was responsible.

1:43:28And if he didn't get it fixed, he was going to get his ass chewed out, and he knew it. So he knew what he had to do.

1:43:34Pat McAfee:Hey, you need to go watch some YouTube videos on how I'll make this a big, splashy, clappy. Okay, we need that. Are you a left-handed clapper or a right-hand clapper? Righty. You're going right hand over top. Every once in a while, if you just want to change it up just to look different because I think a majority of people are right-handed clappers, if you just toss that son of a bitch backwards and you go lefty. Yeah, I'm lefty for sure. I'm left naturally. Yeah, left. Are you ready?

1:43:57Nick Saban:Yeah, I'm right-handed. But I use my fork in my left hand, too, and cut with my right. Cut and stick. Yeah, definitely. You definitely stick with the left hand. I'm clapping right here. Here I am clapping. Left hand over top.

1:44:08Pat McAfee:I think you look more sophisticated left to right, I think. I should go right to left. I'm not sophisticated. You're doing it like a baboon? Yeah, you look like a baboon. Yeah, there it is.

1:44:15Nick Saban:There it is.

1:44:18Pat McAfee:My daughter would be like, banana. But, you know, one thing that's going to be important in these games, this game to me, is if Indiana can't get the snap count right and they get behind in the sticks, that's going to hurt them. Because they're a huge run-the-ball, advantage-throw RPO team. And it forces you to play a lighter box on defense. In other words, playing split safety coverages are much better when you play in that kind of team. When you play middle-of-the-field coverage, you play right into their hands. Illinois played middle-of-the-field coverage. They got shellacked. If you watch other teams that play them, like Iowa, play split safeties, and they struggle a little bit more because it forces them to run the ball.

1:45:02Well, if you get behind the sticks, then that running the ball stuff doesn't work so well because you stay behind the sticks. Does that make any sense?

1:45:09Pat McAfee:Absolutely. And I know how my boy Dan Lanning will try to play them, so they're going to have a challenge from that standpoint if they can stop the run with a lighter box. And crowd noise is going to help as we just chit-chat about it, let alone the silent count, but also getting off on the ball. And also, you know, maybe firing up the defense a little bit to go eat a little bit. We've seen Oregon have a huge win against Penn State, which obviously none of us know what Penn State is, especially after they lose to UCLA. But we learned a lot about Indiana after this weekend, I think, on whether or not Cignetti's back and for real.

1:45:37Pat McAfee:I can't thank you enough for joining us. You're the man, brother. Okay. I enjoyed it. Thanks, guys. Appreciate this. Did you enjoy it? These guys are great. I love the football talk. What about leadership talk? Do you like leadership talk? We can do that sometimes. You do it every week. Yeah, what about uniform talk? You like uniform talk? Adidas uniforms. We like them. I'm a traditionalist.

1:45:57Nick Saban:Well, you love Ohio State. That's why you like Ohio State uniforms. Yeah. There you go, coach. And Alabama's uniforms never change. I agree.

1:46:04Pat McAfee:A lot of people say that's because you guys aren't creative. You don't want to make it. I don't know why. That's okay. You can be non-creative and still win.

1:46:15Pat McAfee:And I think you did. I was just talking shit. I was not telling the truth there. I was talking to a friend. Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest of all time, Nick Smith. Thanks, Coach.

1:46:24Nick Saban:Hey, you know one thing, though, is that the defense, if you're on the – let's say you're at home and you're playing defense, it can affect your defense in a negative way. The crazy – like, say third down, like there's a lot of communication going on with defense. You've got to talk, look back to your safeties. That's why you have to make sure all your hand signals are down, Pat, everything, like you've got to give little fists, whatever your coverage are. You've got all your checks that you normally would hear on the road when you're at home defensively. I think that's something people never talk about.

1:46:49Nick Saban:It can affect the defense. You better – if you're changing the front or you're trying to get your D-line, hey, I'm going from this guy to a shade to a three technique, wherever, over, under, you've got to walk up and get up in there and pat him on the back and let him know, like, hey, this is what we're doing. For you, is it harder in college to do those things? At home, for sure. I was going to say, yeah. For sure, because especially third down, they ring the bell, boom, boom. They bring the bell, and then it's so loud, which is great for you as a defense, but at the same time, just make sure your communication is good for the edges.

1:47:16It's good for the D-line.

1:47:17Nick Saban:Yeah, Pat, I don't know if you're back or not. Pat, you've been – I'm not going to lie. That slow pan in to Coach Saban when he was talking, that's what wins Emmys right there. That was beautiful.

1:47:26Pat McAfee:Hey, I thought about just completely – you know what we do when Tone started going back in the day on his little rants? You remember those? And we would just slowly zoom in over the shoulder onto his face. I was starting to do that onto Coach's face, and I'm like, he's giving a real take right now. Don't fuck me. So that was the full conversation that was happening. So I had to stop at a proper proportion where I wasn't making a mockery of, but also letting people know that this is a good diet trap. And we are slowly focusing in on this thing, as everybody should. I love listening to him, man.

1:47:54Pat McAfee:I love chatting with him. Getting a chance to experience Alabama with him last week was certainly an honor. Oregon out here is going to be crazy in the morning, and it's a beautiful time to be alive. We've got a lot of stuff we have to do still on this beautiful Friday. AJ, we've got to pick every game. Are you worried about this week's slate? Have you even looked at it yet?

1:48:09Nick Saban:You know, I like to trust my instincts in the moment and do it real time. I don't really put a whole lot of study into this situation. I'm real. You know, I'm real.

1:48:17Pat McAfee:Boys, what are the big games of the weekend? There's a top five bet games. I saw the stat that was on the sheet. Who are they? And what do we need to remember whenever we see that type of shit? Yeah, so we actually made a graphic this morning on the most bet against the spread teams in week six. And this is every team that is getting 60 % or more against the spread bets. and we did this because we talked about the stat earlier in the show. Now that the Eagles lost last night or didn't cover last night, teams that are getting more than 60 % are 13-31 against the spread on the season. So all of these teams that you see with the percentage in their box are getting more than 60 % of the bets this weekend.

1:48:55So they would fall into the category of teams that have not covered so far this season to a clip of 70%, which is mad dummy, bro. Damn.

1:49:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, it is mad dummy, bro, especially with how much the sports folks are beating the hell out of the public. Any games there you like, Ty Schmidt, that we need to keep an eye on? How about Joey Flack taking on the pack once again? Any other games you're excited about, Ty? Yeah, certainly excited for that one. I mean, you mentioned it, you know, or we have mentioned it, I guess. That Sunday night football game is going to be a real treat. But really, after being boots on the ground last week at the Colts game, like regardless of what Kyler does like I'm kind of in the the Colts are a must watch in the four box every single week now their offense is unbelievable their defense is unbelievable and after you know I don't know I feel like this is kind of the point in the season where the Cardinals maybe just start to nosedive a little bit like uh after last week I kind of expect the Colts to have another big time ass beating like they did against the Raiders last week I hope so, brother.

1:49:59Pat McAfee:Keeping up with the Joneses. I mean, Shafty said it. Keeping up with the Joneses. And that's Daniel Dam Jones and Matt Jones. San Francisco 49ers going Matt Jones. AJ, how do you feel about that decision going forward? And also, Lamar Jackson out. We got Cooper Cush football taking place. Kyler Murray might be out. Jacoby Brissett might be playing for the Arizona Cardinals. Feels like we've been in a little bit of a quarterback carousel, and we're certainly continuing to hear early in this NFL season.

1:50:24Nick Saban:Yeah, we are. I mean, the Kyler situation always intrigues me how he's going to handle that. Daniel Jones, I mean, I don't think enough credit is given to Daniel Jones. I know we talk about him a lot, but nationally, are people giving him credit and saying, hey, you guys are a legit contender right now?

1:50:37Pat McAfee:Last few days, I've seen a lot of Daniel Jones graphics on TV. Ain't that right, Connor? I've seen him on Get Up and First. I think they've been talking about him. So if they're both talking about him, which is very abnormal, we'll talk about anything from Indianapolis, small market, the minute-to-minute ratings might drop if you talk about a team in the middle of America. So that is how we should decide every single moment of what we talk about. That has worked for a long time with them. I am not hating on that, but I'm just saying that is why a lot of things don't get mentioned because they're scared literally every 60 seconds they're going to potentially lose a viewer and then they don't know what's going to happen later.

1:51:06Pat McAfee:That is literally their mindset, though. We can't blame them for that. That is the business of sports media. So smaller market teams, unless you are a dynasty-like team like Kansas City, obviously. You've got Patrick Mahomes. You've got Travis Kelsey. It's a dynasty. They've won championships. for a new team to blossom like this, like the Indianapolis Colts are, from a smaller market than the largest markets in the world. It's going to take a little bit for everybody to want to put you out there. But I've seen a lot of Danny Dimes shit this week, and I'm pumped for him, man. He has certainly earned it, deserved it, and been through the ringer, Con, man.

1:51:35Yeah, and to add on to that too, the stiking clips coming out of him legitimately calling touchdowns before they happened. We ran it yesterday, but that stuff helps too because it's not just, Danny Dimes is awesome, but they have a coach that, one, has an incredible game day fit, and two, is fantastic when it comes to calling games. Another thing to watch this weekend, though, with some of these teams, Ravens, I mean, Raiders you can throw in there. I don't know about the Chiefs, but there are teams out there that you should watch that. Hey, if they look really bad, some of these guys might get moved.

1:52:07There's a chance of Max Crosby with the Raiders. They get blown out or they lose to the Titans. Don't say that. I'm not saying.

1:52:14Pat McAfee:He's going to be so pissed. No, no, no. I know. Max Crosby is a Raider, but I also know that his best friend is possible, and that's the middle linebacker for the New England Patriots. And then you look at the Ravens. They've already gotten rid of one stud, even though he's not all pro and pro. He's not a superstar pass rusher. But Odafe is their best pass rusher, and they got rid of him already. So there are some of these teams. You know, the Dolphins, they got a lot of good players on that team, but they haven't won a lot of games. You never know, but this weekend, especially with what Schefter just said about the trades.

1:52:46A couple teams start to lose, and all of a sudden, hey, some guys might be on the move to great teams again.

1:52:51Pat McAfee:And then you've got Steelers-Browns as well. It has been named Shador Sanders, backup quarterback for Cleveland. Thank you, Greg. You're doing it. About time. About time. Okay, Tone. All right, yeah, I know Tom and his Steelers fans want to know who's one, who's two, who's three. Thank you. Zip on the ball, Zappy, third string quarterback. Dylan Gabriel will be the start of the third round draft pick for the Browns. Shador Sanders, fifth-round draft pick rookie for the Browns, will be QB, too. Excited to watch how that plays out. T.J. Watt in that D-line could feast. Maybe we see a couple guys for the Browns.

1:53:22Pat McAfee:Who knows what this weekend has in store, but we know it's going to be special. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We're incredibly lucky that we get to talk about sports. We genuinely feel that way. I was at an event last night that I'm not supposed to be at, strictly because I get to talk about sports. And that's because all of you. Thank you all so fucking much for allowing us to do this. And tomorrow's game day live from Oregon. is going to be bananas. This place is beautiful. They love ball. We'll see you then. Okay. That's off from that one. By a lot. You got it in.

1:53:52Pat McAfee:Was the graphic right? Yeah, the graphic was right. I like it. Yes. We got to fix this clock. We brought a new clock that we said was going to be right. Like our building. Thunderdome brought this to the ESPN production people. Maybe it's jet lagged. We timed it up this morning. but yeah I mean I'm looking at the I'm looking at the replay seconds off I think it was four or five seconds off on this thing I didn't see the graphic pop up until the very end I just want to let the the people know that that's on us no no no you nailed a great job you know that I just watched on the TV they actually got at the end to you saying was that graphic right right right before that right right before it got out of purpose okay okay so maybe the clock was right that maybe the graphic was oh we'll have to read i think if we include the point ones of the you know how there's a conversation in the nfl about how there's no like nba one second point one whatever if we were to include the point ones i think we're right on the money well i just want to let everybody know here these people that have been traveling around setting up this particular show from espn production crew barcodes crew billy weeks boys crew here this entire staff these people have it dialed in they're very good at what they do very very grateful i mean I got a PTZ set up here so I can just control the cameras.

1:55:06Pat McAfee:I'm cutting them on this thing. The amount of wiring. I'm talking the back room on this button. I'm talking the cams here on this particular button. And obviously there's a cough button here. And all the wiring and connections and shit that goes into what we ask them to do, vastly different, obviously, than any other show that I'm cutting it up here. But that means they've got to wire it all. So we are very appreciative. You guys are very good at what you do. We're very, very grateful and thankful for that, honestly. Now, on that note, we can't be bringing them a wrong fucking clock, boys. That's on us!

1:55:33Pat McAfee:We gotta get a good clock out here! We gotta get a good clock out here for the team! For the team!

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1:56:42Nick Saban:Welcome in. Hour three of the Pat McAfee Show. I'm AJ Hawk sitting in for Pat at his desk here in Indianapolis. He's in Eugene, Oregon. We just had Coach Saban on, guys. He was very good. Football! Yes, he was. Yes, he was. He was great. So wait, Pat, you're actually at Autzen Stadium there? That's not the training facility or where are you?

1:57:04Pat McAfee:Okay, so Autzen Stadium is that way. It's about 180 on that side. If we were to choose that side of it, we would have this stadium. But it didn't have that good of a view because it's just bleacher or seats, basically. So this side, we got a little bit more trees. We got the soccer practice field right here. The baseball practice facility is over there. I assume they have their buildings around here somewhere. But, yeah, everything is state-of-the-art and brand new. Everything. All the time.

1:57:27Nick Saban:And the foliage. Upgrade at all times, too, aren't they? Look at that foliage, man.

1:57:31Pat McAfee:Unreal. Yeah, you got you. Yeah, it is. I mean, let's dance.

1:57:35Nick Saban:Can you imagine trick-or-treat out there? Trick-or-treat's probably beautiful. Yeah, look at that.

1:57:39Pat McAfee:Look at that.

1:57:40Nick Saban:It probably is beautiful. That's a good angle there. Shit, shit, shit. Hold on. Oh, yeah. Dude. Yeah, there it is. Yes. Let them work. Oh, the beautiful colors. Gosh, I can't wait for that. I miss pine trees. Where'd you have them last? Where's Cameramon? Cameramon camera balance, please? Pittsburgh PA has a lot of pine trees. You don't have any here? You've got to plant some yourself, bro. Foxy, please fix that. Foxy, fix that blurriness. Wish I could. Foxy can't fix it.

1:58:13Pat McAfee:Anyways, it's light out. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I just had it for a second. Turn towards the key. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wow.

1:58:23Nick Saban:Beautiful. Look at that. That's a magic trick. Wow. That's movie magic, brother. Is that baseball or softball? Baseball.

1:58:32Pat McAfee:It could be softball.

1:58:33Nick Saban:It looks like a short track. I think it's softball.

1:58:36Pat McAfee:It's softball. Anyways, it's beautiful here. It is a postcard, which you've got to fly into, which you certainly have to. Here tomorrow will be a huge – actually, this way is sick. I wonder if this one will – Yes. We got to – Okay. I don't know. Dude, those facilities do look absurd. Look at that soccer field. That's a practice field. That's a boardroom, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. There's a –

1:58:58Nick Saban:Ben Affleck played him, right, in the movie? Yeah, he played Phil Knight. He did a great job.

1:59:03Pat McAfee:Dude. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. We got pine trees over here. Pine trees over here with clouds. Yeah, clouds. Kind of looks like homeward bound. A little bit of an arctic layer off, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I see that. The Pacific Northwest is really bringing a little smog to the area. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. It's unbelievable, he says. I believe the Bob Ross paintings are potentially up for grabs. Have you read that?

1:59:27Nick Saban:Whoa, excuse me?

1:59:28Pat McAfee:All of them? Yeah, I think there's a chance.

1:59:31Nick Saban:I know his estate. There's a whole thing with his estate and everything. Oh, yeah. They robbed him.

1:59:35Pat McAfee:The Kowalski family. I watched the Kowalski family. I watched the documentary. That was a business decision that was made by Bob Ross, though, which I think people would say. And obviously, his family would say that he didn't like that business decision. Maybe he's a little bit too old to make that decision. We watched the documentary, as everybody else did, because we love Bob Ross painting. And I wish I could paint like him. That'd be really cool. He literally paints what this is out here. I think there's something going on with some of his paintings going up for sale, maybe for auction. I don't know.

1:59:59Pat McAfee:I think I saw something. Just know we'll definitely try to get in on that. Sure. Yeah. Just like any cool things that are available, we are certainly put in a position to maybe try to acquire these things, and we will certainly do that for the entire cause. Speaking of acquiring, let's maybe have a perfect week by you. Let's pick a perfect slate, A.J. Hawk. Why don't you do that?

2:00:19Nick Saban:It's out there.

2:00:19Pat McAfee:Let's start last night. Obviously, you picked the Eagles plus seven and a half. Nope. I think it was McCarthy. And what? You want to rephrase what you just said? Well, no, he had half of it. He said plus seven and a half. Oh, okay. Sorry, you had the Giants plus seven and a half. Sorry, AJ. You had the Giants plus seven and a half at home alongside Coach McCarthy and Jack Carr.

2:00:41Nick Saban:Yeah. You're right. I should have known then. He knew that.

2:00:45Pat McAfee:Gumpy, will you please come join me up here, Gumpy? Jack Carr giving that pick after McCarthy gives that pick and you give that pick and then Tone gives us that damn stat, that 13 and 30 stat, And I just go, yeah, but it's the Eagles. I'm sick of me. I am. I'm absolutely sick of it. I play drums on that. Get in there. Get in there. Go. Roll up. I can't hear anything. You got to turn that up. Yeah, each of these are best years. Just keep ruffling around. Keep ruffling around. You good? You can hear it? Got it harder. Don't worry, harder. That is a hawker down there. How do you feel about the helmets?

2:01:26Pat McAfee:How do you feel about it? Good helmets. Nice green on there. How do you feel about the trip out here last night? It was good. Good bird. He's kind of taking over the desk right now. Did you see that? Did you see that? He's invading. Yeah, he's trying to do. He's invading. Establish confidence. He's back in his Pacific Northwest. He's back in his Pacific Northwest. Back on the West Coast. Home game. It does feel good to be out here. We are 45 minutes away from the beach. Shout out to Paisan, Anthony, a member of the SWAT team out here hanging out with us. 45 minutes to the beach, one direction, obviously west.

2:01:52Pat McAfee:And then east, you're an hour away from the mountains where you can go ski and snowboard. Wow. It's a pretty perfect little setup here in Eugene. It's pretty beautiful. What's that? Go ahead, Tom. Just imagine the people who settled that place, what they would have thought about it, the first people to get there. Like, this is the greatest place on earth. You got everything up here with the Buffalo Beals in Oregon. Think about the people that pushed that far along. Yeah. The settlers is a crazy conversation to have because I'd like to think that I'd make it all the way over there. I'd like to think that I would do that.

2:02:22Pat McAfee:But boy, you give me over there to Oklahoma, maybe Lake Indiana I mean shit, you give me to fucking where I'm living right now And I'm walking across I'm walking across and it's terrible We got a bunch of what, we're trying to forge rivers And shit, and I see the view that I have And I'm like, give me this, I'll just stay right here But I would have been called soft because they were trying to make it all the way To the west coast, if you made it all the way To Oregon, that would be An insane amount of Just fortitude And just the amount of mental toughness and actual physical toughness as you head from Pittsburgh trying to make your way all the way up here to the Pacific Northwest.

2:02:58Pat McAfee:It's a beautiful country, every piece of it, and we're certainly seeing the top left of it. And let's make our picks now, Age. Age, you're 1-0 going into Sunday morning as the Broncos will take on the Jets in London. Now, we've seen some explosive international games thus far to kick out our days. Gumby, are you expecting Broncos-Jets to have one of those thrillers to start our morning? No, I imagine this will be an absolute shite kicking the way the Jets are going. Broncos are playing good football. I don't think the Jets are going in the right direction. Everybody wants to say they are and it's going to get better.

2:03:28I don't think it is.

2:03:29Pat McAfee:Connor likes the way the Jets are headed strictly because Aaron Glenn's there and it takes a little bit to build a culture, especially one that has been absolute shite for so long and seemingly cursed by all parties. Broncos favored by six and a half. AJ, what are your thoughts in London town?

2:03:44Nick Saban:Man, so 6.5, I honestly thought this might be a little higher than 6.5. I'm taking the Broncos minus 6.5. I think they definitely can win by 7 or more. But the Jets, they're chasing that elusive first victory with Aaron Glenn, aren't they? Yeah, and first turnover. There are 7.5s out there as well if you did fancy the Jets. I fancy the Broncos at minus 6.5.

2:04:05Pat McAfee:I do as well, and shout out to good day London town every day. Sean Payton's got it out of the moment, or it's going to the next game, shall we? Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, 1 p.m. on CBS. Steelers favored by 6.5 at home against Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders, Zip on the ball, Zappy, Miles Garrett, Kevin Stefanski. And did you see Deshaun Watson throwing the ball around in the practice facility? It's a loaded quarterback group. Absolutely loaded quarterback group. Is it Deshaun Watson? They tried to write me off. I sort of was wrote off. I played like I was off. And I am right back, though.

2:04:48Pat McAfee:Deshaun Watson season coming right now? AJ, is that what we got going on?

2:04:51Nick Saban:I'm telling you. I mentioned it a couple weeks ago on the program. Like, what happens when Deshaun wants to come back and play? He's going to be healthy eventually, right? Can they shut him down?

2:04:59Pat McAfee:And it looked like he's working. It looked like he's working. It looked like he is putting in the work. Like, throw technique looked good. Drills looked natural. Didn't look like he was exhausted. Looked like he was putting in the work. It's like when Deshaun Watson gets dropped back into this whole Cleveland Browns quarterback experiment. I cannot wait for the conversation. But that's not this weekend. That's not this weekend. Tone, you guys are favored by six and a half at home. Yep. Oh, mama, I'm in view all my life.

2:05:26Nick Saban:Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

2:05:34Pat McAfee:Tone, your thoughts? The Steelers have won 21 straight. in Pittsburgh against the Cleveland Browns. Mike Tomlin is 14-4 off of a bye. Mike Tomlin is 26-6 against rookies. The Browns are flying back from London. What could go wrong this weekend? Okay. Sounds like this is Steelers in a landslide. AJ, you going that way?

2:06:00Nick Saban:Yep. Give me the Steelers minus 6.5 at home. You get 5.5. Minus 5.5 at home. I'll take Steelers.

2:06:06Pat McAfee:Dumpy, that's what you're doing as well? yeah the boys were crushing beers at the guinos game they were yeah okay he'd love to see it love that pittsburgh's all the way back to it are the pens undefeated yeah they are rangers don islanders don boys chugging beers good pittsburgh seemingly all the way back tj watt not wearing a jersey he said i'll dress the part but i'm not wearing the whole song and dance here Those were the seats that we said. Great seats. Exactly. Unreal. Yeah, it is a phenomenal setup over there at PPG Paints Arena. Congrats to the Pens being undefeated, by the way. You're going to carry that the entire season.

2:06:45Pat McAfee:Hell yeah, boys. Go on, boys. We're all in the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did the Bruins win again or no? Funny enough, they did. 2-0, baby. We won in overtime. Love that. Hockey's off to a hot start for us. Cowboys, Carolina Panthers. Cowboys favored by three and a half, heading in to Charlotte. 49 and a half over under. Dak was one of the top five QBs in Coach McCarthy's fastball first five, top five. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it?

2:07:13Nick Saban:I'm going to have a hard time picking against the Cowboys here. I like what Dak is doing. I think Dak is awesome. I think the defense is slowly maybe getting better in Dallas. So give me the Cowboys minus three and a half. You get a three? Three.

2:07:24Pat McAfee:Can we pull the percentage bet thing back up, the graphic that we have? Can we pull that thing back up? because I assume we've already knocked. What's that, brother? My bad. I was going to say this is one of those ones with possible trade candidates on it because the Panthers, I guess, are starting former running back Rico Dowdale against the Cowboys. Yeah, kind of a revenge game, and some people are pontificating that Chuba Hubbard might be on the trade block after this week. Got it. And that's 69 % of the money right there is being bet on the Dallas Cowboys, which odds and stats this season have told us is not very well for the public.

2:08:02Pat McAfee:And on that note, me and AJ are both joining them. Chargers, Dolphins, Chargers favored by 3.5. Herbert and Tua, here we go. We find out if the draft was right or not. That's what we're finding out this weekend. That's right. Overrunner, 43.5. Gumpy, how do you feel about it? We can't stop the run, and Chargers have no running backs. This would be a game the Dolphins would win for no reason at all because Herbert's never beat the Dolphins, but I got no confidence with this Dolphins team right now. You can't. Our O-line stinks. You can't run the ball. It's tough. It's too okay. It was banged up a little bit, right?

2:08:38Nick Saban:Is he all right? Yeah, he's got his hip and thumb, I believe. He'll be out there. I think Cedric Wilson is playing. Oh, nice. Our O-line's still banged up. We're our guys that were supposed to be back this week, going to be out for another several weeks. But Willie Gay maybe gets some burn because Dodson, is out with a concussion. If Willie Gay does not play snaps with Dodson out, then it's a serious malpractice.

2:09:03Pat McAfee:Gumpy trying to coach from Eugene, Oregon here at the Miami Dolphins. Much like the Dolphin, the mammal, Gumpy's been underwater with his fanhood here of this particular team over the last few weeks. We've all seen, and I wore these actually, the off-white, strictly because of McDaniel's little walk out so we can get the tag to kind of hit me in the foot there. On that note, I'll take the Chargers, minus 3.5. AJ, who do you got?

2:09:28Nick Saban:Gumpy really sold the Dolphins on his little diatribe talking about how well the team is doing, but I'm going to have to go against Gump here and take the Chargers, minus 3.5.

2:09:37Pat McAfee:Is this all too obvious? We're all on the same side. Patriots taking on the Saints, fresh off a huge Dolphins, huge Rattler. This guy, they said can't actually win. That's the thing. He actually just can't. He just can't win. And what he needs to do is maybe go out to the trees and find a new him. That's what they were saying there for a while. That's what they were saying for a little bit of a time that maybe Rattler needs to just disappear for a while and stop doing NFL football because the guy can't buy or win. Then, poof, he does. And are they going to continue that? Are they about to go on a heater?

2:10:16Pat McAfee:I know, Connor, you're very worried about this Saints team down there. What are your thoughts on your New England Patriots, pal? Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. Rattler is a top 10 quarterback. No one really has given his respect. You know, once Bob Salas said, Rattler should be a household name, man, I went in and checked the tape, and he's right. This kid's got some shit to him. With that being said. You worried? Look, I definitely feel better about the Pats versus the Bills than I do against the Saints this week. Last week it was kind of a layup, but Christian Gonzalez was added to the injury report with a hamstring again, So I don't know if he's a full go or not.

2:10:54And especially after last night, yeah, he's limited. But especially after yesterday where Jalen Carter just kind of out of nowhere missed the game, even though that's a short week, I do get a little worried about that. But if the Patriots lose this game, then everything we said on Monday is horseshit. So I expect them to win by 25.

2:11:13Pat McAfee:Okay, Drake May maybe doesn't get rattled heading down there. Spencer Rattler, the rattler. Maybe a little rat poison after having a big-time win. AJ, you like the Patriots or the Saints? I like the Patriots on this one, Pat. Me too. This is all too easy. Gumpy, you're on the same side? Yeah, the line reeks. It's a bad spot, but I think the way Drake's going in, Vrabel's not going to let these boys let off the gas pedal here. They'll keep rolling. AJ, I have some bad news for you, brother. Me and you picking the same here is not good, I don't think, in the history of this entire thing. Los Angeles Rams at the Baltimore Ravens.

2:11:48Pat McAfee:We know Budda's going to be there. Stavi's going to be there. They're going to show up. You know, that place is going to be jumping. Los Angeles Rams have won over there before. Remember, I think it was a punt return or something like that that got him the game a couple years back. Matthew Stafford, Puka Nakua, all the boys are absolutely cooking. Devontae Adams obviously don't want to mismention him. Favored by 7.5. 7.5 taking on Cooper Cush.

2:12:11Nick Saban:AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? I mean, can you pick the Ravens here? Are you thinking about picking the Ravens on this one? It is a 1 p.m. game.

2:12:20Pat McAfee:Oh, 10 a.m. for the Los Angeles folks. But they're used to that now at this point, right? Yeah, I think so. There's a 7 out there as well. I'll take the Los Angeles Rams minus 7. It's going to be tough to pick the Ravens at this stage until they're bye week or two weeks from now. Me too. They're still plus money to miss the playoffs. I'll get in on that while you can. Ravens plus money. They're still the favorites to win the AFC North. Yeah, I don't see how they come back. They weren't good when Lamar was healthy. This is the whole season. They haven't been good. And you like the Rams, AJ? Yeah, I like the Rams.

2:12:52Now, go ahead. That's just for you guys keeping track. That's six out of six favorites so far, just so you guys know.

2:12:58Pat McAfee:And all the same. Chuck. Yes. Okay, we got to trust our instincts. You got to do what you – You got a great dog coming up right here. Your heart is your North Star. This is a great week for a Moneyline Parlay, though. This is a great week for a Moneyline Parlay. Who knows what's going to happen with these points. AJ, it feels like we're just some mark-ass hoes right now. No, no. Yeah, it does feel like that. Seattle Seahawks traveling to Duval. That's a long trip. One o 'clock game as well. Seahawks favored by one and a half, taking on Liam Cohen-led Jacksonville Jaguars. Just for everything that we've said about the Seattle Seahawks, we know they're a good football team.

2:13:37Pat McAfee:We're thankful to be up here in the Pacific Northwest where obviously the Seahawks buzz around and have a good time. This Jacksonville Jaguars team, though, we've talked about them being legit. Trevor Lawrence obviously has a couple moments of Trevor Lawrence experience football every single game. But maybe this is the year for the Jags. One o 'clock start in Jacksonville. It's going to be hot, baby. What's the temperature down there in Duval? Do we understand or know what that is yet?

2:13:58Nick Saban:Beautiful.

2:13:59Pat McAfee:Hopefully. 73. McDonald's only ever lost once on the road since becoming Seahawks head coach. 10 of 11 or 9 of 10? Not positive on the exact. I think it was 9 of 10. I think it was 9-10, and then he won one. And I think it's a 10-11 now, I think. And it's 76 degrees. That's an unbelievable start. That's an unbelievable 76 degrees. Thank you, Tone, for getting that in there. So I will get the Seahawks one into Pittsburgh. Seahawks one into Pittsburgh. They did. They did. Seahawks are a good football team. Jags are a good football team. I don't know. Jags. She's the chief. One with their quarterback.

2:14:38Short week. This is one of these lines. Also, whatever team you take, you can get them at plus one and a half. Oh. Oh. I like that option. Tony Dawgs.

2:14:50Nick Saban:AJ, who do you like? I'm taking the Jags here at plus one and a half. I mean, the Chiefs, when Trevor jumps and tries to score from the half-inch line and gets the butt knocked out, they still find a way to win that game. So I'm taking them here.

2:15:02Pat McAfee:Okay. And we'll do East Coast bias through and through. Give me the Jags. Cardinals at Colts. Colts seven and a half. Don't know if there's enough points to put on that one. AJ, you're with me. I have to go Colts here. Absolutely. Six and a half is out there. We'll take that. Love it. Yeah, we'll take ten and a half, too, if it was that. We'll take six and a half, especially in that loud house. They're going to have to prove it to us. I don't know. Are we going dark on your guys' side? Yes. Is there a camera there? I don't know. There's been some flickering going on over here. Maybe that's just because it's spooky season.

2:15:33Pat McAfee:It's October. Because you picked the Jags, probably. Oh, that's Seattle. Specific Northwest. That's the Seahawks coming down. That's a good point. There is a chance that that's what that is. Cardinals, Colts, we're both on the Colts. Titans, Raiders. Raiders favored by three and a half at home. Cam Ward gets a chance to go do some Las Vegas stuff. Gumby, what are your thoughts on this game? I think the Titans keep it going. Three and a half. Raiders have looked like absolute shite since week one against the Patriots. I think Titans, not great, but they are trending in the right direction. AJ, I mean, after what just happened with Colts, Raiders, you think that they would want to bounce back in a big way at home, but maybe they are just not good.

2:16:09Pat McAfee:But I wouldn't believe Pete Carroll. Might see Kenny Pickett. I think there's a lot of money if we were to go to that most bet games. I feel like most of the money is actually on the Titans. Correct. Yeah, they are 61 % on the Titans.

2:16:25Nick Saban:Give me the Raiders, Pat. I'm taking the Raiders here. I was thinking Titans early, but Raiders got to figure something. You get them at minus 3.5, you can get the Titans at plus 4.5. Okay. Minus 3.5 Raiders. That's a good number. That's a good number.

2:16:37Pat McAfee:I'm appearing Eugene. I'll take the Titans. I'll take the Titans plus 4.5. San Francisco 49ers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Bucs favored by 3.5 at home. Mac Jones returning to the state of Florida. Mac Jones returning to the state. Mac Jones is heading to the state of Florida to try to take on Baker Mayfield. A lot of moxie at the quarterback position here this weekend. for Baker, Moxie Mayfield, and Moxie Mac Jones. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it?

2:17:13Nick Saban:Well, I think of this one, I'm going to take Baker, Moxie Mayfield here at minus three and a half. Something to think about. Mac Jones is a Florida boy. He's from Jacksonville. I assume his entire family is going to be in Tampa. He's going to try to press. He's going to try to put the ball in the window. Maybe that he normally does. Do too much for the people. Yeah, I played there. Maybe brings the gritty back.

2:17:36Pat McAfee:I love that from his rookie year when he made the Pro Bowl. How much can we kind of put into the fact that this Buccaneers team is the last playboys, the final playboys? Three and a half is more than, you know. There's a chance for a twofer here. There's a chance for a twofer here.

2:17:54Pat McAfee:I'll take the Niners plus three and a half here. But I think the Bucs win. I think the Bucs win this game. I'll take the Niners. And AJ can't get a three there for those. Give me three. Bucs at three. Okay. Bengals at – holy fuck. That's my first time seeing that line. Yeah. Bingo. Bingo. Oh, my. Are you kidding me? Hold on. This is Jackson Dart last night. This is Jackson Dart exactly situation last night. I was watching the Pat McAfee, and they were talking about this spread as if they'd been – 14 and a half is the first thing I noticed there, and I go absolutely crazy. Joe Flacco gets a chance to showcase to another team how great he is.

2:18:33Pat McAfee:He gets a chance to, you know, duel against a defense that he's already dominated for 140 yards. Green Bay at Lambeau taking on the Cincinnati Bengals. Are they going to be sellers at the trade deadline because maybe the way they constructed their team with their salary cap wasn't necessarily suited for winning football games in 2025? Or are the Cincinnati Bengals with this Hail Mary, this Joe Flacco Hail Mary, going to turn it all around until Joe Burrow can get back? 14.5 is a lot of points. Ty, I know you hated seeing 14.5 right there, brother. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, we all know what Joe Flacco can do.

2:19:11Apparently, Jamar Chase did just pop up with some sort of illness. I mean, he's going to play. There's no question about that. I would think Packers, Zach Tom and Aaron Banks, the entire right side of their O-line hasn't played for a little bit coming out of the buy. I'm thinking they are going to play. But now McManus potentially might not play on Sunday. So, you know, 14 and a half, like it just, I don't know. I'll be very, very concerned. This cannot come down to a field goal. And I have that feeling that Joe Flacco is going to keep this thing tight. It's going to come down to a field goal, and we're going to be trotting out a backup out there, and it's not going to go well.

2:19:45So we'll see. Kind of all eyes are on what is Brandon McManus' status going into Sunday?

2:19:51Pat McAfee:Yeah, Brandon McManus has been great for the Packers. He's been great everywhere. He's got a situation pop up where he's falsely accused of something, took away a couple of his prime years. You're talking about a guy who could potentially be on the track and be one of the greatest kickers of all time. He is very talented, very, very, very good. Hopefully he'll still kick for a long, long time. Didn't like seeing him get injured. AJ, what do you think in this one? You think Joey Flack just gets smacked? No, I don't think so. There's a chance, I guess.

2:20:18Nick Saban:Yeah, there is a chance. Green Bay's defense, we know, can play at a very high level. 14 and a half just seems like so much. I feel like I normally would pick the Packers here and think, Like, oh, yeah, of course they're going to win by two or three scores. But I think there's always some weird garbage touchdown or something to make the game look closer than it actually was. So I'm taking Bengals. The Packers have also had multiple – like the games they won this year when it was like a blowout. Like it's always the takeaway is, well, the score doesn't indicate how much of a blowout. Like they don't step on teams' throats really.

2:20:47They'll get up 21, 24 points and then kind of just, you know, three and out, run it three times, punt, and then teams will get – they'll backdoor them pretty frequently. Yeah, I think the only other spread, sorry, my bad, Tone, of 14-plus was the Saints at Bills, and the Saints did end up covering that. You are correct, but, A.J., are you still wearing a split Bengals-Packers jersey and doing a coin toss this game? We're doing a coin toss.

2:21:10Nick Saban:That's cool. It's an A.J. Hawk Bowl. Yeah. Oh, man. I don't think I got the inbound. You don't even bought me.

2:21:16Pat McAfee:So, no.

2:21:17Nick Saban:I don't think I'll be there.

2:21:19Pat McAfee:I didn't get inbound. I'll take the Bengals plus 14-and-a-half. A.J.?

2:21:23Nick Saban:Give me the Bengals plus 14-and-a-half, yeah. I love it. You guys are good.

2:21:26Pat McAfee:Strictly because I'll be able to wake up and say, I bet on Joe Flacco. I gave him a chance. Yeah, bingo. One last one. It could be 24-3 with a minute left, and then Flacco can go score a touchdown. Flacco throws a 97-yard touchdown in the air. Or he runs one. Yeah, bingo. Catches it himself. Exactly. Catches it himself. All right. And then Detroit Lions taking on the Kansas City Chiefs. This is a big one for the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, Detroit Lions, obviously, every game's a big game because they're in the middle of their MCDC era, and they could be potentially, you know, they could go down as changing an entire city and entire football culture in a huge way.

2:22:04Pat McAfee:Every game's a big game. For the Kansas City Chiefs, this feels like a big one. This really does. Huge. You know, the Detroit Lions are not the Lions of yesteryear, but the Detroit Lions are certainly a good thermometer of what you're going to have to face in the playoffs. And after losing to Jacksonville the way you did on primetime, then you take on this Detroit team and you don't look good, it's going to get loud. It's going to get loud for this Kansas City Chiefs team. And I am a Kansas City Chiefs fan. I'm a Kansas City Chiefs supporter. And they are favored by two and a half against this Detroit Lions team.

2:22:32Pat McAfee:What am I missing, Foxy? Why are the Chiefs favored by two and a half at home? Pat, I have no idea. All week long I've been trying to figure out. All week long this line has been inside my brain. Because normally had I not seen this line, I would have said the Lions go into Arrowhead, kick their ass, take care of business. but this line, Vegas knows something. And for the first time, I am not a blame the refs guy, but we got to be on alert for something fishy to happen. Come on. Why is this the case? Why is this the case? And just like you said, the Chiefs just lost. Are the Chiefs going to lose again?

2:23:10Pat McAfee:I don't think the NFL wants that. I think the Lions are a better team. The Lions are incredible on prime time. And the Lions are great when they're underdogs.

2:23:19Nick Saban:It's just none of it makes sense. So we're going to see what happens. So that's why I had to get out and say this.

2:23:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, I like my friends. Can't. My family. She's going to be there. That's why she has to be sports books. Sports books. I understand. Also, the lines are the lines are the most popular pick of the weekend. I think they're like 80, 85 percent or so. Vegas knows something. 85 percent. Reeks. I would like to let the brother of the Japanese maple tree build penis. What? That I am a believer. What's that?

2:23:57Nick Saban:Sorry, what?

2:23:58Pat McAfee:I got you. What's that?

2:24:01Nick Saban:I was trying to process exactly what you said.

2:24:05Pat McAfee:His brother, the brother of the Japanese maple tree penis, the brother is the Redwood, pal. And that man is still playing football. That man is still on a mission to be great. Patrick Mahomes, he don't like what happened. He said, whatever he said, he's not happy about it. Andy Reid's not going to be pumped about it. Spaggs, you think Spaggs is enjoying this? Absolutely not. Tobe, yeah, right. Give me the Chiefs minus two and a half. Because it makes no sense at all. Offense did look better against the Jags, though. And the week before they put up 30-plus. Yeah, their offense is looking better.

2:24:42Pat McAfee:This makes no sense. This makes no sense, AJ.

2:24:46Nick Saban:Yeah, it doesn't. I mean, with all that being said, as the brother of the Japanese dong tree, I will take the Detroit Lions at plus two and a half.

2:24:56Pat McAfee:The Japanese maple is the tree that resembles his penis best, is what I learned. Wake up, Pago. You're right. Which is crazy because the map is about to be maples. Okay.

2:25:07Nick Saban:Thank you. I mean, yeah, it does feel weird, but I'm taking Detroit. Keep up.

2:25:14Pat McAfee:up with this stuff it matters i know daily i know that's why i repeated it she got her friends

2:25:29maybe she maybe she gets microphone in sweet oh it does like the bills promo before saturday night football the fred jackson one last week taylor does one this week you're right oh no she no she does

2:25:42Pat McAfee:Wood, I think. Oh. Going into the fourth quarter. Okay. I think, hey, we're swinging at this quarter. I think that's the – Trav runs out there and starts flopping it all around. Yeah, I was like, Chiefs Queen, do you do it? Of course. Before – Yo. There's a chance. Before we get out of here, before we get out of here, we got to celebrate an absolute legend celebrating another trip around the sun. Ziti, baby. Ziti, baby. Really? Ziti, baby. Zito. Zito. Zito. Zito. Zito! The founder of a Zito production, a father of two with a very young baby at home, obviously married to Coco. Celebrate another year.

2:26:23Pat McAfee:Happy birthday, Zito. Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you! This is awesome. Happy birthday to you! He's in the back!

2:26:36Nick Saban:Happy birthday to you!

2:26:47Nick Saban:Happy birthday to you.

2:26:53Pat McAfee:Thanks, guys. Thank you. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. See you. Happy birthday. Hope you like hot wax on the cake.

2:27:05Pat McAfee:Fuck. Where is he? Where do you go now? How come they never give me a heads up? It's ice cream. Ice cream cake and it's fire. Fucking Belfi. Dude, I think, is that a bike? Is that a BMX track? What is the...

2:27:24Nick Saban:You better get a dyno and get out of there.

2:27:26Pat McAfee:Mongoose. Let me see this. Let me see this. Let me see this. Let me see this. A BMX, dude? So sick.

2:27:32Nick Saban:And back pegs. Get Gump on the front pegs.

2:27:35Pat McAfee:Is that a... You're more of a back peg guy?

2:27:37Nick Saban:Oh, hell yeah. At least a skate park.

2:27:40Pat McAfee:No, I think it's dirt. I can get my blades or a skateboard or a bike on that. Okay. And then let's also remember where we're at here. Let's go ahead and just take a look at a little happy. What's up there? It's like the uniball. So beautiful.

2:27:57Nick Saban:He lived in a similar situation. Yeah, no, he's in jail.

2:27:59Pat McAfee:I'll tell you, you want to get away, this is the place to do it. There's a tree to hide behind right there. Right there. Right there. Right there. I need to go pee. Go behind the tree. Which one? That one? And then that one? AP around that one. Oh, Eugene's Emerald Valley BMX. That's what that is. Oh, hell, that's so cool. So sick.

2:28:17Nick Saban:Bruce, yeah. We get so much air on that. That's filthy. What time are you guys going? Yeah. I bet Gump will kill.

2:28:23Pat McAfee:Well, that's what I'm wondering. They got mongoose out there? You think they're called mongoose? Yeah. Colt Nichols mentioned to us he loved that track when he was in here before the BMX. That's a motocross. Okay, a little different than BMX. I respect what you're saying. Dave Mira. Matt Hoffman. Ryan Nyquist. Oh, Nyquist. Pink's husband.

2:28:47Nick Saban:He's a motor guy.

2:28:50Pat McAfee:Yeah, he was a member of the militia. The metal militia. BMX X Games. What a great time.

2:28:59Nick Saban:Those aren't heavy bikes. Bob Escaping.

2:29:03Pat McAfee:I'm about to go take a heavy bike over there. I should get one of those e-bikes that we got. Oh, shit. That were really nice. Cereal 5. Yeah. Those things are awesome. We need to ship one of those up here. What if they have doom buggy you can take out? Get you on there tonight. Yeah, will they let you rip a doom buggy on that thing? That would be sick. I don't know. I mean, I'll ask. You should just take a golf cart, dude. Fuck it.

2:29:26Nick Saban:Jump on Gump's back and let him run you around. Marshawn Lee.

2:29:29Pat McAfee:All right. Hey, great work this week, boys. We got an entire day left ahead of us over here. Yeah, get some rest, dude. Seriously. I mean, just at least get a nap or something. Jeez. Zeno sent me a text. He said, you flew roughly 3 ,202 miles. Holy hell. It was an honor to be there. I got to see this beautiful country from one side to the other. And it was certainly worthy. Getting a chance to celebrate the hell out of good people doing good things for society last night in New York. And then getting a chance to come out here and celebrate the hell out of football. an honor to do this that's another week done we appreciate you all great work in the back boys great work good work boys pop left here and righty and lefty and righty and let's be sophisticated and let's golf clap that's pretty good clap that's a good clap now let's go like we're doing a cadence we need to Clap loud.

2:30:23Pat McAfee:It's Nick Staben. How about a slow clap here? Let's hear a slow clap here. This is a good one.

2:30:41Yeah.

2:30:42Pat McAfee:Yeah. That's what I like. Especially with the legs. We're still able to match it. Yeah! Quack. Quack. Quack. Quack.

2:31:04Pat McAfee:We're going to hear that a lot out here. We're going to hear that a lot out here. I'm excited for that. AJ, we'd travel out here, man. We appreciate you doing it. You got a baby hawker? Yes, sir. Talk to the table. Really good work, boys. Appreciate it. You guys, too. Ty, sorry about what happened to your team. Yeah. The Yankees. It's alright It's football season now Fully football season It's alright Congratulations to the The Cubs Last night Yep Game 5 tomorrow And the Dodgers Obviously a big game Big win over the Phillies Tone great work this week man Really appreciate it Thank you You too Graphic department Way to go out there boys Good work graphic boys Alright Let's get the fuck out of here Thank you to all the guests That came on this week and gave us a little piece of information or something to make fun of.

2:31:53Pat McAfee:Both those things are good. That is very good for our program. I don't know about other places, but definitely good here. And thank you to Coach Rule for joining us earlier in the week and getting a chance to catch up with a Nebraska Cornhusker coach for about 20 minutes or so. I think you all will enjoy the conversation. I think you all are going to have the greatest weekend of all time. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're interested to get the team on me. AJ, anything to say? Tell a better one next week, fellas. All right. That was good, AJ. Have the greatest weekend of all time, AJ.

2:32:22Pat McAfee:We'll see you on Monday, okay? Overreaction Monday is about to be glorious with everything that's about to take place over the next couple of days. We're talking about maybe the most historic weekend of all time. And the reason why we're thinking like this is because we have no idea if it's not going to be. What if this is the greatest weekend of ball that ball has ever had? Holy shit. What if baseball actually has a little bit of electricity? What if college football delivers in a massive way and then football from 930 in the morning all the way until 1 a.m. at night Eastern time? Yeah. Let's have the greatest games of all time.

2:32:47Pat McAfee:We'll see you guys on Monday. The NHL also going to kick some ass on the ice. We appreciate them for doing that. And then are the aces about to just sweep this thing? There's a chance. Sports are the greatest. You people are as well. Team on me. Team on three. Have a great weekend. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to chit-chat with a man who is currently 4-1 with national championships still in front of them if they're able to win it all. Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach from Nebraska, Matt Rule. Yeah, go. What's up? Hey, great to see you. Obviously, after the bye, we didn't get a chance to catch up last week.

2:33:22Pat McAfee:Huge win over Michigan State. How do you feel? How was the vibes? And how was the win, Coach? You know what? It was a great win. I think Michigan State has a really good football team. But I'll tell you what, bro. It's playing in the Midwest. It was 40, 45, 50-mile-an-hour gusts. It was an unbelievable day. It was 90 degrees, and the wind blew like crazy. We scored to tie the game to start the third quarter and kicked off, and they couldn't field the ball because it got caught up in the wind. That's how intense the weather was. It's those days, Coach, where I'm thankful that I'm not kicking a ball anymore.

2:34:00Pat McAfee:You know, like on Sunday mornings, whenever you're a punter and you're in an away game or something like that, and you don't know what it's going to be like, open stadium, you wake up in the morning, you pull back the blinds, and then you try to find a flag on top of a building somewhere. and then whenever you see it and if that thing is at full attention anxiety immediately kicks in great today is going to be awful but in the midwest big 10 you got to be able to battle through that i see you had a block kick or block punt obviously for a touchdown are we humming in all three phases at this point how do you feel you know post the big i don't want to say big but your only loss how do you feel now building off of this particular game as you head into a cagey maryland team at maryland for your first away game this is your first actual true away game There was a neutral site game against Cincy, which was a huge win for you guys, especially with how Cincy is playing and continuing to play.

2:34:49Pat McAfee:But now first road game is against Maryland here. How do you feel going in there, and what are your thoughts? We feel good. We feel like – I appreciate what you said. Like, you know, we beat Cincinnati 20-17, and, you know, people are like, oh, that's awfully close. They're a heck of a football. They just beat a ranked Iowa State team. I think they have more votes in the top 25 than we do. So, you know, people are recognizing how good Cincinnati is, which I love. You know, Michigan got us. You know, it was a close game. But to come out this past week to block a punt for a touchdown, we had a bunch of big – right now we're out punt returning our opponent 239 yards to minus one.

2:35:26So we're playing great special teams. Dylan's playing well. The defense is, you know, stopping the run. Maryland's an excellent team. They're also 4-1. So it's good Big Ten football. And I think the thing in the Big Ten is we always think about a couple – there's a lot of good teams in the Big Ten. so this will be a good game.

2:35:42Pat McAfee:Year three, Matt Rule program. You know, this is just kind of what it's been. It's kind of what it's been. No, they lost the game, though. They didn't go perfect. Well, still, I mean, we got a couple away games. You got to go at Penn State, obviously. That's a big one as we look ahead. I know you're just looking week to week, and you got to go at UCLA, which is a talking point across the Big Ten. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Coach, why do you think that that is always the first excuse for coaches when they lose a game, when they have to travel like that? Obviously, you guys are going to Maryland. It's not like, I mean, that's not a cross-country travel situation, but you still have to travel.

2:36:17But with the state of college football now, like why are coaches acting like, you know, when you guys go out to UCLA, why are coaches acting like you're walking from Nebraska to UCLA? You're flying on a chartered flight. These kids have done it before. Obviously, you coached in the NFL, so you kind of maybe understand it a little bit more. But, like, why is that such an easy excuse? And do you think that there is actually cause for using that as an excuse when you don't perform, when you have to travel for one of these cross-country games? Well, I'm not one of those coaches because I have not said that.

2:36:50And I'm like, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I still got it. I got it if needed. No, no. I mean, the game comes down to blocking and tackling. It comes down to making plays. And I trust our players. And so we're going to make that we're going to always try to make things all about football. And, you know, traveling, obviously traveling always has a little bit of an effect. The thing about the Big Ten, unlike any other conference except maybe now the ACC, is there's these huge, huge, huge swings. Like this week we're going to go to Maryland. It's on the East Coast. We're playing at 3. We'll get back probably, I don't know, 11 midnight.

2:37:25Then we turn around and go on the road next Friday for Minnesota. If you're a coach, you could complain about that. But for me, I'm just like, you know what? We've known we have to do that. it would be a disservice to our players to complain about it. So we're not going to complain about anything. We get to go to Los Angeles and play UCLA. We get to go to Maryland. We get to go to Penn State. And you know what? People also have to come play us and play in the wind and play in the elements. I think the Big Ten should be, instead of complaining about it, I think we should be celebrating it and saying, hey, all you guys in your conferences that fly 30 minutes or drive and bus, try come doing what we do one time.

2:38:00Try going six hours like Washington had to do and then turn around and fly him back and then play in a Friday game. It's really hard, but we're not going to complain about it. We're just going to go try to win the game.

2:38:10Pat McAfee:You've got to be a mentally tough team to be in the Big Ten, obviously, and this is another kind of example of that, I think, in a big way, especially with the traveling. But the teams that you have to travel to, I'm thinking about that this weekend because we're going to Oregon for College Game Day. And I'll tell you what, Oregon, once you get there, beautiful place. I mean, it is absolutely gorgeous. It's green. It was when I, the last time we went up there, which I think was last year and then two years ago, I've been there a couple times now. Once you land there, it is a postcard. It is glorious and everything like that.

2:38:40Pat McAfee:But it's far. It is far. I'm taking the same flight that this Indiana Hoosier team is taking basically, you know, because they're 45 minutes south of here. So that's a long way. So I have put myself in the thing. How would I feel with this? And there's certainly a player, you know, prehab, rehab. What do you do with your body? When do you eat? when do you sleep how do you go about staying hydrated on the plane you know all that because it is an inconvenience to be in a tube okay for that long it is certainly it would be much better to live your life and be able to move and do your life than be in a tube for that long i mean i just flew to australia i don't even know i don't even know how i did i still don't know how i accomplished it i mean i genuinely don't know what it is so it's certainly an inconvenience but all those teams on the west coast they got to do it for every away like they are also it's uh i think that's a good point and i think you were chit-chatting potentially about the sec because the sec sankey obviously the commissioner he like brags about how we are still the southeastern conference you know we are still geographically what we are which is why he doesn't want to expand as much i think he takes a lot of pride in that factor but as we found out in the playoffs you gotta be able to win a cold that's right you gotta be able to win a dog fight ain't gotta be able to win after flying for five, six hours maybe for seven, eight hours.

2:39:59Pat McAfee:Whatever it is. From one side of the country, that's Big Ten football. I don't know if you can just pick that up at a practice or a bowl week. I don't know if you can find that. That's different. That's what you're saying? It sounds like that's what you're saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Tone has a question for you. Go ahead. I was just going to ask you, you mentioned college game day going to Oregon. How was Penn State? How was Beaver Stadium? What was that atmosphere like? Okay, so that was my first time being there for a nighttime whiteout, okay, which obviously I've learned about and known about since its very beginning.

2:40:35Pat McAfee:It started whenever I was in college at West Virginia, AQ's team, 2007. It was the first one. So this thing kind of captivated the globe, the whiteout, the whiteout, the whiteout, the whiteout, the whiteout. And this was my first time getting an opportunity to experience it. It was awesome, dude. It was an electric atmosphere. and they're in the middle of a renovation, as you know, and they still have 112 ,000 people in there, and it feels like it's right on top of you. And literally, it's just like a white blanket just kind of wrapped around. And then the DJ, whoever's the in-game DJ, perfectly timed music, Mo Bamba hits at, like, as soon as a tackle, as soon as the body hits the ground, Mo Bamba's hitting, and that thing, whoo, it's just, it was awesome.

2:41:16Pat McAfee:Now, they lose to Oregon. Now, that was, when that pick happens, I mean, that is a devastating... Just out of that place. Because as you know, outside, getting out of there, I think, is pretty difficult from my understanding. And boy, a hundred and some thousand after the way that game ended with all the day. Game day was electric. Those people were insane. The outside parking lot area, Stanford Steve came into a bus I was in at the time, like two hours before kickoff, and we were about to head in. I was like, how is it out there? And he goes, absolute destruction. And I'm like, where? He goes, everywhere.

2:41:59Pat McAfee:I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, just everywhere, everybody, everything you see, having a good time, very intoxicated, very excited for tonight. So I got a chance to feel it, experience it. It was electric. I need to get out to your place because I've heard your fans through everything are like top, top scene in the country, no matter what's happening on the football field. There's no doubt. I've already extended the invitation, and at some point, the game day is going to come to us because we're getting better and better and better and better. And you know what? The atmosphere, the light show, the Will Compton pre-video, the Go Big Red was a celebrity.

2:42:41Our crowd knows how to do it. They still get those good core Midwestern values. They're going to treat you right, treat you nice, but it is an intense place. and so can't wait for you guys to come see it.

2:42:51Pat McAfee:Has Will been recording these with his new head? Are these week-to-week recordings, or is this a preseason recording and we'll see him back? He does them week-to-week, but he did not do Michigan State. We picked certain games for him that he can do, and so we have not seen it with the new look, with the baldy. I can't wait for that one. Oh! Oh! Oh! No, you're saying the bald, actually, not the balding. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, the bald head. Because his hair is actually growing back pretty quick. It is, no doubt. He's got a good amount of hair right there. I told him we need to do hat. You know, like I called immediately and was like, hey, I have like the same hairline, I think, as you.

2:43:31Pat McAfee:That side shot they got you on get up, just rude. You know, that is not, you know, because now it's back. It's close. He's like maybe two weeks out. That's unbelievable work by his hair. Yeah, without a doubt. And I think that's smart to save him for a bit. Look, it's coming back. Yeah, it looks good. It's coming back. He's a handsome fellow. He's a good bald head. He's a good speaker, too. Jason Statham. Bingo. Easy, coach. That's awesome. Tone has a question for you, coach. Just real quick, though, to kind of wrap up that entire how is the game day trip to Beaver State. Everywhere has been insane.

2:44:04Pat McAfee:College football right now is, I mean, everywhere has been. We were just at Alabama, and obviously I'm with Coach Saban. That's awesome. I would recommend everybody try that one time. Just be at Alabama with Coach Saban. That was an absolute blast. I mean, it is. Yeah, it's so stupid how awesome it all is and so lucky to be a part of it. And I can't wait until shows back at Matt Rule's team, just like it was at Baylor. Obviously, I wanted the Brazos there. And then I wasn't there. Temple got game day? Yeah, we set records at Temple. We took over Independence Hall. Notre Dame came in 2015. And it was electric.

2:44:49The whole city of Philadelphia came out and supported it. It was awesome.

2:44:52Pat McAfee:It would be an honor to do that there in Nebraska. Tone has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, I have a question about Maryland. I saw a tweet. It was before this last weekend. They have eight true freshmen who have played at least 100 snaps this season. And the rest of the Big Ten, I believe, combined has eight true freshmen that have done that. So these true freshmen have kind of led the resurgence for Maryland this year, especially quarterback Malik Washington, who was highly recruited. How do you prepare for a team with all these true freshmen that you kind of don't know what they're going to be like?

2:45:23Is there anything that you take from your experience with Dylan last year as a true freshman to maybe kind of use against Malik and that Maryland team? No, it's great. And to your point, the freshmen that they have are ballers. The two edge rushers are elite. The quarterback is fantastic. You look at what the Big Ten is going to be in a couple years with what Malik's doing at Maryland, with Bryce Underwood's doing in Michigan, with what Dylan's doing as a sophomore. Like, the young quarterbacks are going to really, really, I think, elevate the conference at a lot of different places. You know, Dante at Oregon.

2:45:55But I agree with you. Like, you know, you're looking at them in the non-conference. Now they've played two conference games, especially with the quarterback. You're trying to see, like, what has he seen? What has he not seen? How does he handle pressure? How does he handle zone coverage? There's not a real big book on the guy. Like, last year, Dylan got off to a hot start. And then as he started seeing more things and more things, And really, as you face better teams, you start getting hit, and then the toll starts to take on you. When you're 21, 22 as a quarterback, and you've been lifting for three or four years, you're a little more prepared for the rigors of playing in the Big Ten.

2:46:27Dylan went through that last year, which is why he redid his body this offseason. So we're looking at Malik's awesome. He's played great. Touchdown-interception ratio is amazing for a freshman quarterback. So we're just trying to look and say, hey, what are the things that we can do to affect him? Because no one has been able to affect him so far.

2:46:42Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what. just a physical football game obviously football is a physical uh sport and big 10 football is just known for its physicality thinking about an 18 year old versus 22 year old is a very good point that you certainly have thought about uh whatever you're scouting or recruiting or utilizing in the transfer portal are you realizing younger quarterbacks right now at a premium because maybe transfer portal quarterbacks expensive like uh so whenever we talk about nfl teams and i know you're at a place that has a lot of backing and uh operation rookie quarterbacks on i don't want to say on smaller contracts but on a little bit smaller contracts so you can build up the kind of the the room around them and then whenever you got to pay them obviously you got to start picking and choosing and i know there's obviously an endless supply of money at some places and i assume nebraska is one of those places west virginia's giving out scholarships yeah that's right just know that but is there something to that having a younger quarterback or is it just more for stability going forward with a guy?

2:47:43I think what it is, I've really thought about this. I think this is the first year you're really seeing it. We were the first ones probably last year to do it, us in Florida, to really go play the true freshman. But I think what you're seeing is some of these kids, like they could, you know, five, ten years ago, they would have gone to some perennial giant and sat and waited their turn. But if you do that now, you're going to get backup money. You can go now to somewhere that's a really good school that's playing big-time football, and you have a chance to start as a freshman and you can get compensated as such.

2:48:12And so why would you go sit and not make that money when you can go somewhere and start and make that money? And so I'm not saying that's the decision for everyone, but I think what we're seeing because of NIL and RevShare is the talent is spreading out. Now, there are some schools that just, you know, they're going to have$40 million. It doesn't matter. They'll be able to collect everybody. But that's maybe eight to ten schools. The rest, everybody else, they all have about the same pool of money. So it's really about who's the smartest using their money. So I think you're seeing talent spread out.

2:48:41You're seeing guys take advantage of opportunities. And that's why it's really cool to see these young quarterbacks play, because if everyone only plays fifth year transfers, the position of quarterback in college is going to get worse because we're not going to play young players. And wait till you see what Dylan's going to be like later this year, next year, the more he plays, the better he gets. And if he was sitting, you know, right now, he would just be, he would just be a guy, but because he's playing, he's developing into one of the best players in college football in my mind in a high high draft pick

2:49:08Pat McAfee:i love that you're forecasting wait till you see dylan next year just just from what we've seen from what he's developed from day one to now and what he went through last season and you being pretty transparent about what happened and i think him also doing that as a true freshman coming in because it was a big conversation whenever he chose to come to nebraska now obviously has family ties up there his dad on the staff and you obviously an incredible coach who have an nfl tie as well, but him choosing Nebraska and then starting and being a star and then you guys having guys score touchdowns without cleats on, it's great for I think for you to showcase too, like hey, you come here, have success, we have success, we flip this entire program, then you can kind of, your culture's already put in place.

2:49:51Pat McAfee:That's a good place to be and hopefully you're going to get there soon. Yes sir, when Dylan decided to come here, it sent a message to everybody that hey, this is a place to be. And then all of a sudden, you watch. Now you look at our future recruiting classes. Now you start to get the five-star kids. Now you start to get the high four-star kids. And we still always want to find the right kids for us. We're not just going off of rankings. But the best players in the country now know wait, there's a hidden gem out there in Lincoln, Nebraska. Now they come out and visit. They check it out. But when the top players in the country choose us, like Dylan did, it sends a real message and it makes us make Nebraska cool again.

2:50:26That's what we're trying to do. That's what you guys are helping us do. And it's happening.

2:50:30Pat McAfee:Hey, we're lucky to be a part of it dude and uh whenever you talk about if you get somebody there and experience it i assume they fall in love with the place your people fall in love with it and uh as coach shabin says you pay the wrong guys you shit out of luck and uh feels like you got to pick the right guys now on that note your guys you're always coaching always developing go ahead con man yeah coach it feels like you know we've talked about it today every game in the big 10 is tough Every game in the SEC is tough, but sometimes there are upsets. And UCLA, Ty talked about with the travel with Penn State and everything.

2:51:03The UCLA upset over Penn State, I mean, that was a 21-point spread. That is a massive upset. And then Texas and Florida, a little different, but still, I think people expected Texas to win in some capacity. Do you show your teams these upsets or kind of the unexpected results at the end of the week just to kind of hammer home how often teams get got when they're not ready to play, no matter who they're playing, whether it is, you know, prime time Saturday night or, you know, Saturday at noon. You know, do you show your teams those things? Every week. Every week. And here's why. Like, the example I use to our guys is if I say, hey, guys, let's go out for – hey, we're going to go out and, you know, do a little running.

2:51:47And I say, okay, take off. The guys will take off running. And well, if that turns out to be like a 20 mile run, they're not going to be ready for it. They didn't expect it. Right. So a lot of these games, what happens is the teams are looking at this team B and they're like, well, they're not very good. OK, it's going to be like this type of a game. And then you show up and that team happens to have their mind right that week. And all of a sudden that, you know, 10 minute run becomes a 20 mile run in your mind and you're not ready for it. So we want our guys to expect that every team we face is going to play their best game.

2:52:16And, I mean, like, how does Illinois lose 63-10? No disrespect. I mean, and they come back the next week and they beat USC. That's such a good example of just, like, the mindset, the things that happen each and every week. So I want my team to say to themselves, every team is going to be on 100 when they play against us. They're going to be at their absolute best. So we better expect that and be at our absolute best. There's nothing worse than having a team that thinks it's going to be easy because the minute you think it's easy, man, if you don't show up for a street fight, you get punched in the face, you're not ready.

2:52:45And that's college football right now. The talent is more spread out. There's more noise out there. The kids hear this team's not that good. It's an easy win. And they start to expect it. And nothing's easy in today's college football.

2:52:56Pat McAfee:18 to 22-year-olds mostly dealing with that as well. And also, we got school and life. And then you mentioned social media. It's like they see and hear everything. Keeping that age group all aligned, going in one way, is a tough task. And it seems like you're doing it out there in Nebraska. Hell yeah. Everything's still in front of your team. We can't wait to ride alongside of you. We appreciate the hell out of you, coach. Good luck in Maryland. Thank you, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, that's the head coach of the Nebraska Cornhusker football team and also the host of House Rules. That is my rule.

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