PMS 2.0 1428 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 6 Recap

0:00We've been doing something that's now become a full time segment it feels like yeah oh yeah We break down the top five headlines coming out of the week of NFL Sunday football, and we call it the first 15. Now, we put a 15-minute clock on the screen. I don't know if you know this, D, but we put a 15 because it's like 15 minutes is what we're hoping it would take. First 15, though, is indicative of the first 15 plays that are scripted for an offense. So this is basically our scripted portion of the show. This is the first 15. Then we'll react to how the stories go. It's driven by Ram, but this has become a real thing, Darius J.

0:32Buck. Yeah, I mean, we obviously do great with scripted things, so we've been nailing it right on this 15-minute mark every week, so hopefully we stick to it. Yeah, that's the thing is we have the blocks. Just every word is in there, and that's why whenever you say, hey, why don't you go ahead and start that 15, we know that we're going to get this accomplished. Let's just start the 15-minute clock, and let's go to number five headline coming out of the weekend. Was Herbert the right pick all along? You go back to that draft, obviously Tua got picked four. Herbert gets picked five. Who goes number one overall?

1:02Joe Burrow. And after what we just saw from Justin Herbert and what we're expecting from his entire career, how he handles himself off the field, how he's built, how he's been able to kind of navigate so many different transitional periods of such a young career already with different offense coordinators, different buildings, you name it. Now he's got hardball, and hardball might make this guy become GOAT. There's a chance Justin Herbert has greatest of all time conversation whenever it's all said and done, 10, 15 years because of how incredibly athletic he has been. He leads another comeback for the Chargers against the Miami Dolphins.

1:33Let's go to the third quarter. Finds his boy Lodge McConkie. They will have a big one later in the game, but they seemingly on the same pitch. He extends the play, rolls to his right, drops an absolute dime, D-butt, before he hits Kamani Vidal. This man out at Troy, he was a third-team All-American two years ago, becomes a sensation for this Los Angeles Chargers team. And once again, Justin Herbert's doing it all. This guy's a magic man. It's not just deep shots and layups. He's also hitting the intermediate shots. 10 to 20 yards, he has more yards than anybody else in the NFL. So whenever you talk about methodically breaking down a defense, Justin Herbert's doing it all.

2:05And then they can't – let's go late to the game. Tua answers. Tua, fourth quarter, 50-some seconds left. Top play. Got to put it on SportsCenter. Darren Waller, always open whenever he's a Miami Dolphin. Tua Tongvaloa has his moment. Yeah. Holy hell, Tua Tongvaloa just drove back on Justin Herbert. I was the right pick all along. This is going to be a great day to be a Miami Dolphin. Holy hell. Well, Naeem Hines got a kickoff return. He took that thing out. And then all of a sudden, Justin Herbert had the opportunity to do a play that's going to be etched in Harbaugh's memory forever. That play would be burning my mind until they throw dirt over top of me.

2:47Justin Herbert back to throw. Defender wrapped around him. Just mighty man it. Lad McConkie. Lad does his stop. Fly by and starts getting that necessary yardage. And here comes Zion Johnson flying ahead of Lad. Gets that block shielded. You know, there's another 20. Yeah, I'm going to remember that play until they throw dirt over top of me. That's how great I feel about that. Harbaugh says, hey, when they got that mahogany and then they put the dirt and then I no longer got life and soul and breath, I'm going to remember that one and talk about that one because this could be season-defining play for this Chargers team.

3:26If they were to win this game against the Miami Dolphins, which is so damn improbable, I actually got some stats about how the probability was before that play, during that play, and after that play on win percentages. And I'll be honest, if I was better at reading what the hell these stats meant and how it was actually anywhere near not bullshit, I would have certainly said it. But nonetheless, that was improbable. That was something that wasn't supposed to happen. And instead, they come together. And you heard Harbaugh talk about Zion Johnson. extra block. Talk about the culture. Lad McConkie doing his thing.

3:54Mighty Man Herbert doing his thing. And then it leads to Cameron Dicker. And this man, has he missed? No, he hasn't. He'd make this 14 of 14 on the year. They're 4-2. There were some times earlier in the season where we thought maybe this Harbaugh-Herbert team was going to be crap. Maybe they were going to be shite. Maybe this old build-up that we're talking about. $300 -$400 million in a brand new practice facility out there in Los Angeles. Maybe it was all a waste of money. Maybe this team is going to be the same old Chargers every single time and now beating up on the Dolphins with less than 35 seconds left in the game?

4:25We're saying, was Herbert the number one overall pick all along? Is this the team that's going to go on a run? We shall see in an AFC that is seemingly wide open, except for at the very tippy-tippy top. D-Butch, you've been on the Chargers for a few years now because you love Justin Herbert. What have you seen from him this season or just in this game that makes you believe maybe the Chargers can win the whole damn thing and their Chargers faithful would obviously love him? Yeah, I mean, it's been since he's been in the league, honestly. And this is part of that stat up there on the graphic. 18 game-winning drives only behind Patrick Mahomes since coming into the league.

4:56So he's never been an issue. You kind of mentioned it, all the different offensive coordinators, the different head coaches. We know that Jim Harbaugh is a winner. He builds winners wherever he goes. So he's put the right team around him, the right play callers. Everything's kind of going right now. As far as the question of if he was the right pick, you know, it's kind of revisionist history. Joe Burrow, obviously he's a Heisman winner. He was a no-brainer pick, been to a Super Bowl already, has playoff wins. Tua, look, a lot of the league were tanking for Tua at one point. Now, he did have the major hip injury that caused some concerns and questions.

5:32But Herbert has been doing everything right since coming into the league. But he's still got to win the playoffs, just like Tua does. So I'll hold off on that. Is he the right pick? But he's been doing everything right this year so far. Certainly gave us an opportunity to say it and rub it in Gumpy's face. That is the only reason why we did this. Let's go to, because he hates it. Oh, everybody's a genius now. Okay. Because he says pasta and water helps him with concussions. Now all of a sudden, everybody would have drafted her. But okay. Okay. Yeah, it's a dolphin's fault. Okay. Bunch of knobs.

6:06Losing. Exactly. That's exactly. Who went number two, Redra? Chase. Yeah, Chase Young. And then Akuda. Yep. And then Tua and then Justin Herbert. Joe Burrow, Chase, Okuda, Tua, Herbert. And Tom Telesco, who's the general manager of the Chargers, said, whoever the Dolphins pick, school with us. We're just going to the other guy. But we wanted Herbert all along. That's what he kind of said. But everybody did kind of have Tua slotted there. Joey Burrow obviously has the year that he has going there at LSU and he cements himself as the Ohio kid. He's going to be the number one overall pick. Then there was a little chatter.

6:42Maybe, now that we know the business a little bit better, that's potentially from the agents of Tua and Herbert, maybe. I don't want to put it on anybody. He's going to say no. He will turn down the Cincinnati Bengals if they were to draft him number one overall. Do you remember that entire conversation? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think we were even like, what if this guy? You know, because what the Bengals were. He probably should have looking back on it. Whoa. That's a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, and we will talk about them later. The Cincinnati Bengals aren't in a great spot, but I do appreciate the fact that Joe Flack got hot late.

7:10He did. And Jamar Chase started doing his damn thing. It was fun to watch. They're exciting. They're explosive. Is it a winning brand of football? We shall see. We talk about it. Was he the right pick all along? Tua obviously gets drafted to the Miami Dolphins. And he kind of, go ahead, five and six. Yeah. Sorry, five and six. Tua gets drafted one ahead of Justin Herbert. Yikes, that's on me. Should have known that exact number there going in. But nonetheless, so that leads to something we like to call number four headline of the weekend, tough scenes. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. We literally just talked about Tua, okay?

7:40Tua had that game-winner. Less than a minute left. Yeah. Unbelievable. Get a stop. Defense. Get a stop. Get a stop. Get a stop. Tua has game-winning drive in final minute of the fourth quarter against Justin Herbert. Could be narrative. Could be story. Could be the – that could be number five. It could be. He was the right pick. Oh, yeah. Tua was the right pick. All along. Damn. All along. That could have been that entire thing. But instead, Herbert, Ladd, Zion, Johnson, Cameron, Dicker, the whole team, we hear it. We see it. And then that leads to a postgame that is not a positive one about a last-minute game-winning touchdown drive.

8:17Instead, it's about, hey, what's the state of the culture? And Tua, I don't know if this was prepared or not, I think, personally, decided to utilize this as a time to speak to his teammates. You know, like coaches talk to their locker room through the media sometimes. They'll get messages through the media to their players. Well, my guys know that they're not going to England to see Paris. That's a message through the media that they're hoping gets to the players. Our offense, obviously, wasn't nice together. That's a message they're trying to get to the players. Trying to set the tone maybe before the first team meeting.

8:51Like, hey, here's this. It's been happening since the beginning of time. I think Tula tried to do that through the media to talk to his team and to his locker room. Just what he chose to say, everybody's saying. I mean, the worst thing you could probably say is the quarterback, the leader of the team. Yeah. Well, I think it starts with the leadership and helping articulate that for the guys and then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player-only meetings late, guys not showing up to player-only meetings.

9:25There's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory? So it's a lot of things of that nature that we've got to get cleaned up, and it starts with the little things like that. So I think Tua, in his eyes and his mind, is probably trying to be a good quarterback for this team. And then things aren't happening, and he decides to kind of air his teammates out through the media. Every ex-player has spoken about this and said, this is a terrible decision. This is not how you should go about doing this, especially if you're not a winning program and have a winning thing go on.

10:01He owned up to throwing three interceptions, but that's a part of it. He did say we whenever he said team leadership, so he's putting himself in there saying we got to do a better job. So he does take a little bit of accountability. But throwing your teammates under the bus for things that nobody even knows that your teammates are doing yet. You kind of present a situation and then say, but in this situation they're doing terrible things. It's just not a good thing in the locker room is what everybody has been saying basically. Yeah, and that's very, very brave of you trying to get into his brain to try to think what he's thinking.

10:28Dude, pasta, pizza, and water? I mean, that's in his brain, right? You know. Every team is different. Some people may be confused out there with the difference between, like, players-only meetings, you know, those kind of come-to-Jesus moments, kind of like a player-led meeting. So, in my experience, our players-only meetings during the season was, like, the units, like defensive unit, like back seven. No defensive line, but after Friday, we get done with practice and we go over 15, 20-play script, maybe, of what the team likes to do, and we go over our communications. Down left, hey, nickel left, nickel right, all those different things.

11:01I'm sure offenses do similar things. So those are the things that he's talking about, I would assume, players not showing up to. And the only people that can police that are the players. The best team that you've been on, I would guarantee the players kind of police the room. So I don't know what his point was, kind of getting that out there. But I would say less talking from two would be better going forward, in my opinion. It does seem like every time we hear something from the Dolphins, we find something and go, this team is stupid. Yeah. This team is not running. Your South Florida boy, Gumpy, obviously, you've been riding this alongside of him.

11:34McDaniel, his little tag on his shoe last week. Yeah, that should have been the coup de grace. But once again, minute left, game winning drive. Yeah. Against the Chargers, which everybody has. They had that. And then all of a sudden, Mighty Band does his thing. That wasn't the only tough scene. Obviously, we all woke up with it yesterday. And to London, we don't like to do this often to England because, you know, a lot of stuff. But we would like to apologize for that game. Yeah. Okay, that game was – Hand up. That was tough. Yeah, it's on us for you guys having that one. And I think there's been a lot of bad games.

12:05Hembo sent me a stat, though, that basically said that was by far the worst one. I mean, the 20 combined first downs in yesterday's London game were seven fewer than any international game in NFL history. This was by far the worst one of all time. So we'd like to say, hey, Governor, sorry about it. But on that note, a ridiculous thing happened right before half that you guys won't often get to see. Right before half, people were saying it's a tough scene. Aaron Glenn, obviously first-year head coach, former defensive coordinator from the Detroit Lions, doesn't normally have to deal with all the situational shit on the defensive side of the ball.

12:40Probably has somebody in his game situation camp that is in his ear, has his ear. No timeouts. Obviously, it starts with like 20-some seconds on the clock. It's fourth and one. So this is a tough situation for a team to be in, especially if your quarterback at the time was 17 yards he had thrown for. 17 yards in the half. And at the end of the game would end up with a negative 10 yards passing. And the reason why it's negative 10 yards is because sacks count against your pass yards. They gave up nine sacks for negative 55 yards. He only passed for 45 or 47 yards. So you start doing some math, they had a negative net.

13:20So Aaron Glenn, I think, wasn't 100 % confident that they were going to be able to pick up maybe two yards to get a first down there on a quick out. Everybody's like, hey, fourth and one, you only need one yard here. There's no timeouts or playing off coverage. Okay, we'll throw a quick out, pick up a first down. Will we? We've thrown for 17 yards at that. Aaron Glenn's trying to figure that out in real time. It's not really a situation that comes up on a very regular basis. Because if you give them the ball right there, you pick up four or five yards. That's a field goal. So it's like this could be a real swing.

13:51Tough situation. Obviously mismanaged. And then Garrett Wilson comes out afterwards and goes, I had no idea what the plan was. And when I heard what the plan was, I was disappointed. I don't love it. But there was one answer, we think. Every team is going to talk about this situation around the league. We do think there was an answer. Yeah, they're short around the league. But I think it was just a hell of a mirror. You get to that point. And we just saw a first-year head coach kind of learn something in real time. we always hear head coaches say, hey, there is no manual that comes with it. And it's easy for us, especially once the half is over to say what we got to say.

14:22But, yeah, you just got to throw the Hail Mary there, give yourself a chance to get something positive there. But he was like – But it has to be last play of half. Got to be last play. Yeah, that ball's getting snapped three seconds, four seconds or whatever. And if you wanted to do the out, you would have to do like six, five seconds so that maybe you would get one more play. If you want to get it closer, maybe kick a field goal, get a little bit closer there. But if you drop that or don't complete that, they got to play. They got to play and they'll go any other way. There was a lot going on, but I think with how shite the game was, that situation happening, and it being the Jets franchise, just kind of this is a clown show.

14:53Why is this what we would send to London? Kind of rude of us. Yeah, it also wasn't even just that last play. Like their whole, that whole drive. Like Kurt Warner was losing his mind for the entire two minutes. It was, yes, the last player, but the whole drive was a weird situation. Aaron Glenn was then asked afterwards if Justin Fields was still going to be the quarterback. And he had a little bit of a reaction about how dumb of a question that was. Basically, he has come out since then and said this. You know what? Here's what, you know, I thought about this a lot last night. I thought about the question that was asked.

15:25And when you look at what Justin did, the games that he played, listen, I didn't think he was bad at all. I actually thought he did some pretty good things in those four games. In this fifth game, he took a step back. You know, and I'm with you guys 100%. And we can't have that. You know, we have to get better than that. And he knows that. And he knows that better than anyone. So I don't think you just try to bench a player after having one true bad game. Because I thought the other games he played fairly well. Aaron Glenn's got his players back. I think that's what you're hearing right there.

15:55And I'd like to think that literally right before half, that whole thing, he was just trying to get to the locker room. I think he was just trying to get to the locker room, however the hell we can get to the locker room. Right now they're going to say the clock's going to run to zero, and we're going to be able to go inside if we don't do anything else. Let's do that. Let's get the hell out of here. This Denver Broncos defense is no joke. I mean, they are on a historic run. Vance Joseph right now is on pace for 85 sacks, their defense, which would crush the record of 72, obviously, which is the previous record.

16:25They're averaging five sacks per game, and they have a 10-sack lead on the rest of the NFL right now. So this Jets offense, there certainly might be some question marks. And Justin Fields might not be a top-five quarterback in the NFL at this stage of his career or maybe ever in his career whenever it comes to delivering the ball and point guarding and everything like that. But I think this Denver Broncos defense is a defense that will expose you. I think they will expose whether or not you have a good quarterback or a good offense. So I think it's a good kind of thermostat or a kind of judgment, a good comp on how you're going to be.

16:56They're going to do that to a lot of teams that don't have great offense. Oh, yeah, great litmus test. Because when you go, it's not just the quarterback. It's the offensive coordinator. It's the offensive line. It's the running backs. Are you going to be able to protect? Because they're going to keep applying pressure, which a couple weeks ago when they came and played the Colts and they came down that last-second field goal, they blitzed Daniel Jones like 70 % of his dropbacks and only sacked him once. So that lets you know how well the Colts are being coached and how well Daniel Jones is playing the quarterback.

17:21On that note, let's go to the number three headline show. Oh, wee boy, six weeks into the season, we see some MVP. Oh, yeah. Oh, we see some out there. Now, there's a couple omitted, all right, if their team lost. Sure. Okay, so if their team lost, we weren't going to put them on here. Okay, and if their team almost got close to losing, To Joe Flacco's team, we all know we didn't put him on here. But I get it. Okay, so there's a couple quarterbacks that are certainly in the running, especially whenever it comes to the odds if you're betting on them. But their teams didn't win, so we didn't put them up here.

17:49There's also a quarterback that's 40-plus years old that is not even on the odds, really. And if the Pittsburgh Steelers continue to win, they're 4-1. They already have their bye. It's going to be a long road. But if they end up 14-3, like whatever the case, if they just continue to do that, Aaron Rodgers' name is definitely going to be up for MVP. I mean, if you want to sprinkle that right now, you can probably get some incredible odds on it. But we're seeing about six guys that got some big-time dubs that we're appreciating and respecting their game. Baker Mayfield, let's go to number six, shall we?

18:17This guy's awesome. This guy is awesome. Everything about him. Stock explodes through his upper body, and all Baker does is get up and say, yep, give me more of that. Give me more. His entire energy has radiated through the entire Tampa Bay area, not just obviously the locker room. They love this dude. I love this dude. and it's been incredible to watch him explode. Top four wide receivers out. Who cares? Give me Tez Johnson out of Oregon, D-Budge. I mean, some people are chanting MVP after this guy scores a touchdown, maybe hit this flip as well. But, yeah, what Baylor B-Fill is doing right now, man, anybody that has that Buccaneers shit on, player, coach, training staff, fans, everybody associated with this team right now is buzzing because of what number six is doing at quarterbacks, regardless of who's out there lined up with them.

19:04So, shout out to him leading his team to a five-and-one start. And all of them have been kind of close games that he had to find a way to win. At the beginning, he had no tackles. Uh-huh. Right? At the beginning of the season, he had no tackles. Now they've got no wide receivers. Well, they do. And Tez hitting that high-ya. You know what I mean? And the geez-luise moment of the weekend was him going, man, I only did one. This is Tez Johnson after the game about what was being chanted about. I'm going to tell you a funny story. This is great. When I score and I hear MVP chant, I'm thinking they're talking about me.

19:35So I asked Shep. I'm like, Shep, they was chanting MVP? He was like, yeah. I was like, I ain't do nothing this year. And he was like, they talking about Baker, Taz. I was like, well, that explains it. But he is the MVP. The one he got the first down on. Well, that explains it. He is the MVP, though, man. That is incredible stuff. I love their team. I love the culture they have. Well, and even just like the throws are unbelievable. All this stuff is so good. And he's at the point now, just like the other guys were like, hey, it doesn't matter who's out there. The third and 14 run is just like pure will to win.

20:10Yeah. Like not every, it doesn't matter what quarterback you are. Like, I don't know who else is making this play. You can say Josh Allen and Mahomes and stuff. I mean, this is ridiculous. Just wanting to win, wanting the first down, just more. I mean, it's a one point game right now. And I don't know what down after it came. It was either the next play or a couple plays after. That's what led to the Tez Johnson touchdown. That's just a solo effort. Unbelievable. He really should win the MVP. I hope everybody just stays healthy on this list just because they are all playing great football. On that note, Baker, talking his shit immediately afterwards, understands the moment.

20:46Been around. I think he's got his best case. Yeah, body language is insane for the rest of the team. Let's talk about another guy who's in the MVP conversation. Drake May. Yeah. Hey, listen, Drake May is everything that I think Connor had hoped he would be. Connor talked about his greatness last year. They'd be getting their asses beaten. He'd say, hey, we got a guy, though. This quarterback's making four, five plays a game that make you say he understands what he's doing. They were talking about his footwork coming out of college. He's going to be inaccurate. He learned. He figured it out. He's not going to have to face – he's not going to be able to dissect the defenses.

21:19He's learned. He's figured it out. Is he going to be tough enough to take those hits? You know, he led North Carolina in rushing and passing one season. Is he going to be able to rush in the NFL? He might be able to take away one of his things. He can. He runs people over. And he's seemingly always jovial. This guy's leadership is like, here we go, boys. Yeah, exactly. He feels like he is a here we go, boys type guy, which I didn't know was possible to win with. And then you team that up with Vrabel, and it's like this is like the perfect match made in heaven up there. You guys got to be absolutely jacked that you have, dare I say it, a more handsome.