PMS 2.0 1429 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Doubleheader Recap, Peter Schrager, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

17:00Pat McAfee:Patriots fan, obviously you're excited, but the comments are coming loud about this Buffalo Bills team.

17:04Bruce Arians:Well, and that's the thing about the defense. The defense works when Matt Milano's healthy. Matt Milano is their best player on defense. He's been hurt. So that's my question to you, B.A. Why isn't McDermott making a change? They haven't been great rushing the ball on defense all year because they don't have their star guy in the middle who makes all those other, you know, the four up front and the linebacker next to him play well. So if your star player that makes this defense work isn't playing, why isn't he changing it, I think is the real question for a lot of people who were Bills fans and for a lot of people who were laughing at the Bills fans last night.

17:40I think for the Bills right now, you've got to change that defense. You've got to get seven in the box against these running teams and play a little more man. You've got to mix it up a little bit. If they know where you're standing, they're going to block you. That 81-yard run, there was nobody. One missed tackle. Yeah. One missed tackle is all it was. They just blocked everybody and one missed tackle is touchdown. Now, this is maybe the best player in the league right now, B. John Robinson, but you just can't have that on defense.

18:07Pat McAfee:Bajon was fun to watch. And it takes you back a couple years whenever people were protesting the Atlanta Falcons because they weren't giving Bajon either reps or ball or plays. Or maybe Artie Smith wasn't the offense that, you know, Bajon needed. We got a chance to chat with him on Radio Row. He had that Nirvana throw. Yep. Oh, yeah. He's a cool dude. I like his vibes. I like what they got going on. And obviously him and Penick's both young. Maybe they're the future of the entire league. Let's go to the next BS or no BS. D-Buds got this one for you, B-A. I got one for you, B-A. The Patriots are all the way back.

18:36Is that BS or no BS? That's no BS. I mean, Drake May is playing lights out, and he was my number one guy coming out that year with Jaden Daniels. That was a great quarterback class, but I think Drake May is just going to keep getting better and better. Vrabel right now, to me, is the AFC coach of the year. He's got the defense humming, and I know Vrabes. He's out there as a blocking dummy. He's blocking guys. He's tackling guys. He's cussing out refs. I love Vrabes, and he's got the Patriots in a great spot right now.

19:06Pat McAfee:My AFC coach of the year is currently in Indianapolis. Let's fucking relax here for at least two minutes. But on that note, we knew Vrabes was going to have success up there, right? Didn't we all kind of naturally know that Vrabes was going to have success up there? And I think the Patriots fans knew that Drake May was good. I think all the Patriots fans knew that Drake May was good. And you said he was your favorite coming out of that draft class. Once again, good draft class. It was on display last night all over the place. So we got nothing but respect for all of them. Clyde Christensen, who obviously you know, you've coached alongside.

19:34Pat McAfee:he was at North Carolina for Drake May's final year. Friend of all of ours. And the way he talks is just a hilarious kind of cadence. But he goes, Drake May, best guy, right? This guy, Peyton Manning, right? But faster? Maybe even more athletic? Caller? More handsome? That's not hard. Yeah, exactly. But all those things he was saying about Drake, he was a believer. And at that point, we didn't know if it was just because he's a North Carolina alumni or because he's a North Carolina coach or if he's just selling and doing what college coaches do, which is like, hey, if my guy gets drafted higher, it's good for all of us.

20:03Pat McAfee:But I think what we all know about Clyde, he was telling the truth. He believed in this dude. He very much believed in him from day one. Team looked bad last year because of all the other shit going on around it. But then he finds his coach. It's like Vrabes and Drake are a perfect match, too. Simpatico. Do you agree with that whenever it comes to attitude? They're great for each other. They're really great for each other. And I think Mike is just going to continue to bring out the best of him. Well, why do you think Clyde liked him so much? What are you seeing now? He's got all the measurables.

20:30He's 6 '5". He can run. He can spin it. He's got everything it takes to be an NFL quarterback when you look at the history of the game. He's got all those measurables. So, to me, he was a can't miss.

20:40Pat McAfee:The boys love him, too.

20:41Bruce Arians:Yeah. The boys love him. Not to get lost in it, too. It's crazy how much a franchise left tackle will change your entire offense. Will Campbell's been one of the best in football all year. But, B.A., what about Josh McDaniels? Like, I think a lot of Patriots fans knew Drake was good, but they needed the right offense. What have you seen from Josh McDaniels as far as what offense they're running that's different from last year and before? Yeah, it's a lot of Tom Brady stuff. It's Josh's offense, and Josh has done a great job up there for a long, long time. Didn't work out as a head coach, but he's been one of the best offensive coordinators for a long time.

21:12Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Why Drake may be in the youngest of three athletic family, having a lot of shit talk to him. That's a good thing, and do we look at that whenever we're scouting players? Oh, definitely, yeah. And I always liked captains, guys that were captains. We drafted like six captains one year because you know they love the game. but this kid, yeah, he got beat up by his brother's office and he gave some back, I think. Yeah, I would assume there was an age wherever he started winning, yes, of course, even though he has big brothers. That's why he jumped up my board. Yeah, he golfed with him one time.

21:42Pat McAfee:He golfed with his family and he was like, this is the number one. You came, sat down on our show. He was like, number one quarterback, Drake, man. And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Caleb, obviously, number one quarterback. Jaden Daniels, obviously, Kirk Herbstreit came out and said, this is going to be the one. And then D-Buck comes in. We thought Liv paid him to say that. Sure. because this was at a live pro-am where Drake May was at with his family. He was out there in Vegas or whatever. But literally it was all the intangibles, not the on-field shit that you saw from Drake that made you like him.

22:08Yeah, the brothers thing. He was out there with his dad, his uncle. So just seeing – and you spend three, four hours with somebody. Like you can't – you know, you're not going to bullshit that person. You're going to see who they are. It was me, him, Phil, and Will Levis. And just seeing him – and now seeing him in the locker room, seeing him mic'd up, seeing all this shit on the field. It's like, okay, you can see how he can rally the troops. We knew going into the draft, in my opinion, he was going to be the biggest wild card. He had all the talent. He had the arm. He had the athleticism. I thought Jaden would be the most pro-ready.

22:39And then Caleb probably has the biggest upside as far as a phenom, as far as a prospect. But, yeah, Drake got all the pieces. And bringing in a coach like Josh McDaniels, who gives him answers pre-snap to where you can tell when he catches the ball, he knows what's going on. He knows where his matchups are, and then he knows when he takes off to take care of himself at this point now. So he's doing all the right things. But you've got to have a head coach. You've got to have a defense. You've got to have special teams, all the good shit around you.

23:05Pat McAfee:Let me toss you right into the middle of a blender here. Let's do it. You said biggest upside, Caleb Phenom. Who has the biggest upside now after watching him play? This guy's 6 '5", runs like a 4 '4". Personally, I would still say Caleb. Okay. As far as biggest upside, yeah. Because of what we're seeing him just now with Ben Johnson. Just physical traits-wise. Right. Yeah, physical traits. Drake led North Carolina in Russia. Physical traits. Physical? I mean, you say like arm talent and all that shit. I still think Caleb is still on the top of that draft. Yeah, you're right. Caleb has some of those.

23:34Like, he still has. And Drake has a size, probably straight line, maybe a little bit faster. But I still think. But look, it all comes down to all the other things that are around you. They both have good coaches. I think Dan Quinn's a good coach, too. So all three of them, I think, have good coaches. They have good ecosystem around them. That's what it really comes down. We see a bunch of great quarterbacks who got one Super Bowl, maybe Dan Marino, best throw of all time, in my opinion. No Super Bowls. It's going to be a lot of other shit that plays into it. But if you're just talking about prospect for prospect, I still think they would probably go the same way in the draft.

24:09Pat McAfee:We're going to be talking talented young quarterbacks here in a couple seconds on this BS or no BS with BA. But let's get to the next one. Here's a statement that was made of fact by Andrew Barry, potentially. Trading a QB with 13 years of divisional experience to another team in the division in the middle of the season is a good decision. Now, obviously, this gets brought up because Tomlin, for the first time that I've heard Coach Tomlin speak, says somebody's name of an opponent and says this, actually. We have the video. You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me. Andrew Barry must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.

24:54But that's just my personal feelings.

24:56Pat McAfee:So that's Coach Thalman, OG, who's been around a long time. And obviously he knows AFC North football is very difficult. What he's alluding to is the fact like, hey, we had Cincinnati down and out here. Why are we lending a hand at all within the division? Now there's other people from Cleveland that are speaking like, we got a fifth-round pick in this exchange for a guy that we're never going to play again. Everybody else says, hey, we could have killed a team here. So, B.A., we say this. Trading a QB with 13 years of divisional experience to another team within that division in the middle of the season is a good decision.

25:26Pat McAfee:Is that B.S. or no B.S., B.A.? It's total bullshit. Okay, it's not a good decision. What are you thinking? Okay, okay. First of all, Pittsburgh's your big rival. Cincinnati's your next biggest rival. Why would you trade him to Cincinnati? If I'm going to trade him, I might get a six-round pick for somewhere else. And I ain't trading him in the division. All of a sudden, Jamar Chase and Teague have 20 targets. Tomart Chase has 10 receptions, almost 100 yards. In one week, couldn't get the damn ball to him. That's the three weeks. And now Pittsburgh's got to play him Thursday night. Yeah, Tomlin really loves Flacco.

25:59Pat McAfee:That has been on the record a couple of times. Oh, yeah. He does not want to see Joe and those receivers. It's like, shit, we had him right where we wanted him. And they go and trade this guy to our division rivals. It's like, yeah, it makes no sense to me. So on that thought, it's also Joe Flacco who has a lot of knowledge of the AFC North. it's like he has been in that division for his entire career outside of the year with the drets uh the jets which was dreadful for all parties and then broncos as well i think he got paid out there then he started acting like a quarterback for the first time and elway said i don't want to hear it shut up and got him out of there but he has been an afc north quarterback for this entirety and the fact that tomlin loves flacco so much this is two two times now where coach tomlin has said something he doesn't normally say earlier in the season whenever he was talking about previous years, wanting a quarterback to stay healthy so the backup doesn't come in.

26:46Pat McAfee:He actually said last year when we played the Colts, I told the boys, Anthony Richardson can't get hurt. We need Joe Flacco not to come in again. Tomlin has PTSD of Joe Flacco coming in and doing some things to him. Tomlin has massive respect for Joe Flacco. I think most people in the AFC North have more respect for Joe Flacco than maybe the rest of the NFL. And the fact that he felt obligated to call out Andrew Barry for doing this, you guys did the whole Deshaun Watson thing. You screwed us all. You do the Miles Garrett thing. Okay? You screw us all. We get it. Trading a starting quarterback to another team in the division is just treason.

27:19Pat McAfee:This is treason what you guys are doing. And it needs to happen. I think it's an old school mindset, though. Yeah. Like, I think it's a football guy, old school mindset. You win the division, you get into the dance. That is the mindset of every football coach that is still coaching right now. We need to win our division games because if you win the division, you get into the dance. Now it's like stats-wise, Joe Flacco only completes 37%. He actually – they got worse bringing him in over Jake Browning. If you look at Jake Browning, he's in total body of work. It's like that's not what Tomlin's talking about.

27:49Pat McAfee:What Tomlin's talking about is Cincinnati was dead, and now you just threw him a little bit of a lifeline. We should be looking out for that in the division. How do you feel about the entire situation? I'll play devil's advocate. You know, you got a fifth-round pick back in, let's say – Center sixth. Okay, yeah, so the Bengals, let's say they do die, and they have a franchise quarterback, Joe Burrow. So now in the draft, they're picking top five because they go three and whatever. Now they win. We get all these EPA and all these. So let's say Joe Flacco projects two more wins. That may move them from the third pick to the fucking 12th pick.

28:23So that changes things in that form. And they're not like a threat this year down the stretch. Andrew Barry's like, sorry, we're big picture. Yeah, you try to jump into his brain. I'll try to jump into Andrew Barry's Harvard brain. Maybe that's what he was thinking. I don't know. Obviously, Mike Tomlin has a ton of respect for Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco, and he's been around him for a long time. So him going into the division, definitely an old-school mindset. You don't throw your division rival a lifeline. That's when he did it. But I'll play devil's advocate. Maybe that's what Andrew Barry was thinking.

28:54Pat McAfee:I love the thought of Andrew Barry going, they'll win four more games with Joe. Okay, you're welcome. They go from fourth pick to seventh pick to 12th to 14th, 11th to 14th. you're welcome talking about this year what are you playing checkers brother okay i'm a chess player let's go ahead and move on i love that that's possible but i also appreciate coach tom and being like shit's getting out of control right now yeah this needs not to be because we would have never seen that in the past never never seen that in the past especially with a guy like flacco who's literally known in all of those neighborhoods of the afc north let's go to the last one here this is one of my favorite ones uh if you draft a qb number one overall you're gonna get your ass fired.

29:35Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? That's no BS. Six out of the last eight have gotten their asses fired the first year. It's hard to believe because if you're the front office and the owner, you know your team stinks. If you're drafting a quarterback number one, if you've got the number one pick, you're probably bad. You better get, to me, an offensive minded head coach, a damn good offensive coordinator, and a damn good fundamental quarterback coach if I'm going to draft a quarterback number one and then have some continuity with this kid for at least three years. It's going to take three years, especially with these kids coming out of college early.

30:08You know, you used to play 40, 50 games. Now some are playing 8, 9, 15, and you expect them to come in and be a savior. It's not going to happen. The game is too complicated at this level. And you got to have that continuity your first three years. I think now had in 1998 we drafted Peyton. All right, Tom Moore and I probably got our ass fired the first year for 28 interceptions.

30:32Pat McAfee:But instead, Tom Moore's still on the sideline. Tom Moore's still coaching, and I'm out. And Peyton's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, exactly. We go 3-13, 13-3. You've got to give them a chance to grow and put some pieces around them, especially up front. Help us on the outside if you've got something, but you've got to help up front. Yeah, I think if you have a guy protected, which is why the Pittsburgh Steelers are doing the six-man offensive line shit that they're doing right now, might be the new answer for teams that don't have a good offensive line. Just put more bodies in there. Now, I don't know if you're going to find Mount Washington, Darnell Washington in a lot of places, a guy who's 6 '7", 315 pounds, is a tight end.

31:07Pat McAfee:But it feels like Artie Smith, Aaron Rodgers, and the boys over there adding another offensive lineman and still keeping an aggressive passing attack throughout it all. That might be a new style to protect a quarterback because what we have learned is if you don't protect a quarterback, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how much talent they have. If he's got no time to do anything, he's going to suck. Speaking of no time to do anything, I guess they just have to make that decision early about whether or not they think that this guy that is heading up the number one overall pick is a good developer, good communicator, and also has a future bright around him because it feels like they thought Callahan was not that because Callahan, offensive-minded.

31:44Pat McAfee:His dad, offensive line coach, right? Yep. You would assume they think he's a good developer of talent, and now they get Cam Ward, this guy with immense talent, who I think we all appreciate and respect, and they get rid of this guy early, moving on to another head coach there's gonna be a new offense coordinator and then cam ward we hope doesn't happen he might get caught in that blender of what ifs and now there's a lot of quarterbacks that are in that blender of what ifs that we think would be ass nfl quarterbacks i'm not giving every one of these quarterbacks the excuse that oh it was a new offense coordinator there's some of these guys that never panned out that would have never panned out regardless of where they would have been but there's a lot of talented guys that we have no idea about who are definitely sitting at family reunions and bars saying what did blaine gabbard have I think seven head coaches, seven or eight head coaches, and eight coordinators his first seven years.

32:31Pat McAfee:And Blaine Gabbert. Good luck. Can spin it. He's got moxie. He's got ten. He's like the face of non-continuity at a quarterback position there. And he was an incredible talent. But now I always wonder what if. Guy, what, didn't he pull somebody out of a helicopter crash or something like that, Blaine Gabbert? Yep. It was a jet ski, yeah. Yeah, I think it was a downed helicopter. He was on a jet ski. Yeah. I think a helicopter goes down. Blaine Gabbert goes down. So let's assume he has the trait to be a franchise quarterback, and then he can spin it, and it's like, what if he would have had an opportunity with a sound structure around him?

33:04Pat McAfee:And that's always going to be the what ifs. Hopefully Cam Ward doesn't fall into that. The owner was not at the press conference announcing the firing of the head coach of the franchise. Here's how that entire piece of information got released from a question from, you guessed it, Paul Gorski.

33:22Bruce Arians:What do you mean? Where's Amy Adams-Strunk right now? Yeah, she's at her home. Why isn't she here? I'm here representing her.

33:32Pat McAfee:That's a good answer. That's a good answer. A lot of people want to see ownership, though. Yeah, of course. That's kind of how it goes. Now, we hope everything's good with the owner. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. But it's like one of the big three, all three of the big three, we know here in Indianapolis would definitely be there for this. Face the music. because your fans want to know, you fired Vrabes, didn't you? Weren't you the one that decided to kind of put us in this? Now you're doing it again? Why? We want to hear a little bit. And then that guy's like, I got it. It's like, you know what you don't have?

34:03Pat McAfee:A billion-dollar franchise that you own. Yeah. We would like to hear. You just got here too, motherfucker, just a couple years. We've been here a lot longer than you. We would like to hear from the owner. It's getting loud down there. Who's the right? You think they go with veteran quarterback down there, or veteran coach down there? Or you think they go with a new, younger coach? Mike McCarthy's available. For instance, we talk to Mike every single week. Offensive guy, has obviously developed quarterbacks. I think he loves coaching. I don't think he's ever said or hinted at all that he's done coaching anywhere.

34:31Pat McAfee:That would be like a good veteran guy that's on the street for the potential Tennessee Titans to sign. Then there's Joe Brady. There's other guys, obviously, down there in Tampa Bay. There's an offensive coordinator that's crushing it with Baker Mayfield with, what, seven guys out of the lineup. So it's like there's two different decisions there. What would your mind go towards? I'm going to the veteran. I'll go with Mike. Mike's been there, done it. Been with a lot of different style quarterbacks. And I think his hands on Cam Ward would be excellent. He also doesn't mind a drink or two. Yeah, he'll have a couple of dollars, Don.

35:02A good Pittsburgh boy.

35:04Pat McAfee:Yes, he certainly will. In Nashville, I think they appreciate, like, I think they really liked Vrabel the human. I think that is something that Nashville, the community, was like, this is the face of our franchise here. This guy's tough, he's funny, takes no shit. He's a great football coach. Will take anybody to get out there. Also, he'll smoke 14 packs of cigarettes in one press conference, drink two beers, two shots of whiskey, and have both long cut across the top, zen across the bottom. It's like this is the guy we would like leading our team. Then Callahan comes in. It's like every time he's on a microphone, he's potting.

35:40Pat McAfee:And they're not doing good. I think you've got to find the right cultural fit as well. I think that is a real thing that has to happen.

35:46Bruce Arians:With everything that's been going on down there like they're they're very close to being one of those like one of those franchises where it's just like okay all of a sudden like the titans like they're never going to get this right they're building a new stadium they just like you can't you can't go get one of these young guys who's never been a head coach before and have this thing fail and then you're just you're doing the exact same thing and like for the owner i i don't know but i wonder if they fired callahan this week to get ahead of i believe they play the patriots next week yeah if they lose if they lose that game by 50 points.

36:17Pat McAfee:Is that in Nashville?

36:18Bruce Arians:In Nashville. If Vrabel comes back into town and beats them by 50, like the shitstorm that would have been after that, like I wonder if she was just like, okay, let's do it now. Yeah, we do it now.

36:29Pat McAfee:What if she texted immediately beforehand, I'm not in town. So we need this to happen. Okay, I'm trying to come back. And once again, business owners, team owners, there's certainly events that got to be at conferences representing. There's a chance that she is literally, I mean, maybe something. We hope not, but you never know what's going on in their personal lives or professional lives, what they have to do to potentially be in town for this type of thing. You would hope this type of announcement for your fan base you would show up to. We have no idea what she was doing outside of it, but that's not a bad angle there.

36:57Pat McAfee:Let's get ahead of this before we get embarrassed in front of our entire fan base. And what were you going to say about culture? It sounded like you were going to go. Yeah, it's a question because my first thought and Dan O's, and he was on first thought with a young quarterback is, you know, new head coach, like an offensive line. and you passed the torch to Todd Bowles and we've seen what Baker Mayfield has been able to do, even with the revolving door, with the offensive coordinator. So how do you balance that, I guess, being in that ownership seat, like a culture guy or a guy who I know if he's successful is going to be hand-in-hand with my young quarterback going forward?

37:29No, it's got to be the culture. You've got to be able to be a leader of men and have a culture that goes through your entire locker room, but you have to have a special relationship with your quarterback. and I think that offensive coordinator, that quarterback coach, they're the key guys for a defensive head coach, obviously. But if the head coach is also an offensive guy, if he's a play caller, it's really just a quarterback coach now because you're going to put it all in. But, yeah, I think to me it's culture.

37:59Pat McAfee:Gotcha. All right, we'll give out some game balls later from BA. That was BS or no BS with BA. Love that we got right to the bottom of it. Thank you for all the insight. Let's get to boots on the ground, ladies and gentlemen. and a man who was part of his Monday Night Football coverage down in Atlanta. Friend of the program, Emmy Award winner. I think he went to college in Atlanta. Must have been nice to get back down there. Maybe he just threw out a few hundred thousand dollars just to act like the good old days of his university. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager.

38:24Bruce Arians:Yeah, Schrager.

38:26Pat McAfee:Schrager, how are you, buddy? I'm doing awesome. I did not have a field goal kicking contest at Emory University over the weekend, but I was busy watching you. You were awesome, man. That was so fun to watch. Thank you for the love. In Emory University, we looked it up, what most expensive university in the United States of America, counting Harvard and everything else. I believe this is an accurate statement. Yes. I don't know if that's true. We don't have a football team. I know that's true. So you know what it is? It's got one of the biggest endowments because it's Coke money and not Coke money.

38:56I'm talking Coca-Cola money. Woodruff, the family, they were Emory donors. So very nice school and very proud alum of Emory. and yeah, I got a chance to see you back in Atlanta.

39:09Pat McAfee:Awesome city. You don't want to test any of those dollars. There's a lot of Coke money out there, I think, just kind of floating around, especially back in those days whenever you were in school. Shout out to Emory, shout out to Atlanta. Let's talk, we were just chit-chatting, obviously, about the Callahan situation with Cam Ward and everything happening about the revolving door and then six out of the last eight number one overall picks, how their coach gets fired in their rookie year and then that just starts like a carousel of craziness. Let's talk about the complete opposite of that with what it seems to be happening down there in Atlanta.

39:38Pat McAfee:Can you tell us about Pennix and Raheem and that special maybe team they have down there after a massive win over the Buffalo Beals? This feels special. And they got Kirk Cousins,$180 million, sitting on the bench in their salary cap, which is a massive decision that has to be made. Once again, Raheem makes the decision and they move forward. Tell us about Atlanta a little bit and how this is going to work out for Pennix in the long run. Pulling back the curtain a little bit, you get assigned a team when there's two sideline reporters. So Katie George was doing the Buffalo Bills. I was doing the Atlanta Falcons.

40:09So for five days, I'm just immersed in Falcons. I had calls with players. Then we do the production meeting. And I start with talking with Raheem Morris, who I've known since he was the head coach in Tampa 20 years ago. And Ron and I are talking and he's like, Shregs, you don't get it. Number seven is the greatest player I've ever coached. I'm like, OK, I get it. OK, no, no, no. I had Cooper Cup when he was a triple crown winner. I had Robert Griffin III when he was doing what he did as a rookie. I had Julio Jones in the Super Bowl season. This kid, seven, is in that conversation, and he's the best player in football.

40:43I'm like, all right, all right, but you're going up against Josh Allen. And he's like, our team is different. It all works through this guy, a running back. And they use him in so many different ways. B.A., I know you're watching that, and you're just smiling because they utilize him as a wide receiver. They utilize him as a running back. They put him in the pistol. They put him on these offset formations, which I don't see anywhere else. And then you get to talk to the kid and he's unbelievable, like face of the league. Good. As far as humble, as far as shouting out every single one of his offensive linemen and a smile a mile wide.

41:19I'm like, okay, I knew B. John Robinson was a star. I didn't realize he could be the star of the league. And then last night on Monday night football with the entire world to see football community and otherwise, he had 238 yards from scrimmage and an 81-yard run through one of the better front sevens in football.

41:36Pat McAfee:Okay, on that note, B.A. actually wanted the BS or no BS's to be B. John Robbins' best player in football. He's like, I'm going to say it's no BS. That was his exact takeaway as well. When was the last time an offense, in your mind, ran directly through the running? I guess Saquon last year, right? That was kind of what they did last year? Yeah, Saquon last year, but I think he's more Marshall Falk. You know, Marshall was a great runner, but he could have played wide receiver for anybody just like B. John. He could go out and play wide receiver for anybody right now. And to have a back who's a total mismatch, and then you put Al Jaird in the backfield and you split him out, oh, who's he got, a linebacker or a safety?

42:11Bad, bad for the defense.

42:12Pat McAfee:Do you remember when Y2J was going crazy down there in Tennessee for Chris Johnson? Through the first five games, he had 594 yards from scrimmage. He ended up finishing with 2 ,509, which is the most in a season in NFL history. That's 2009 Chris Johnson. Right now, 2025 B. John Robinson is at 822 yards from scrimmage. So 594 is where Chris Johnson was through the first five games. B. John Robinson, 822 yards from scrimmage. That's a Hembo stat. I'd say he's ahead of schedule, and I'd say everything they told you is right. It feels like other teams are going to start to know that as well. I think their offensive line is ready for it.

42:49Pat McAfee:I think the Atlanta Falcons' offensive line is ready for it. And go ahead. You have something on that. Yeah. You know, they're without McGarry. who's Caleb, who's maybe one of the best right tackles in the sport, got hurt right before training camp. And then I've reported right before halftime, but the Drake London play was so crazy. They lost Jake Matthews to an ankle injury. So you're without your two starting tackles and you're like, all right, what's our offense? And they still are like, let's just run the ball with these two running backs and let's make it happen. Now, Drake London had a big statistical game, but when I'm telling you that entire bill defense is focused on that guy, number seven.

43:23And this was a really interesting, really in the weeds thing. The first several games, Zach Robinson, all last year when Cousins was the quarterback, would call the offense from up top in the booth. They get blown out 30 to nothing in that weird game against Carolina. They go to the Washington game two weeks ago. He's on the field as an offensive play caller, which some teams do it, some teams don't. I feel like Josh McDaniels, when he was with the Patriots, was always there talking with Brady. I'm sure there's a million other examples. He's on the field the last two games, and I'm watching in between drives.

43:58Zach Robinson, this young OC, is talking to Penix, and he's talking to Bijan, and he's talking to Drake. He's the offensive coordinator, and he's talking with them eye-to-eye as opposed to, OK, I'm going to talk to my QB coach. Who's then going to tell the quarterback? I think that's a major difference, and that was pretty mature of them to make that decision during the season. When last year with a veteran quarterback, it was a little bit different because Cousins didn't need all that.

44:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, on that note, B.A., you called from the sidelines. Andy Reid calls from the sidelines. There are people, obviously, that are up in the booth. Were you ever a booth caller? Never. I always wanted to sideline. I want to look, like Shrek said, I want to look him dead in the eye. I know when they're bullshitting me, when they're not. They can bullshit you over the phone. But when you're looking from the sky, there's an advantage, obviously. Whether it's quiet, it's like sitting in your office calling a game on a computer. That's what some guys like. I had to feel it. I had to see it. I'd be right there eye to eye with the offensive line.

44:48If I'm going to cut somebody out, I'm usually going to cut somebody out so the quarterback can hear me. So, yeah, it's a great move to put Zach down there.

44:55Pat McAfee:One of my favorite moments, B.A. was interim head coach for us while Chuck was battling through leukemia, which he ended up doing and then coming back to the sideline in the same season, which is an outrageous feat of mental toughness. And what B.A. had to step in and do was incredibly difficult. I don't know if any other human in the coaching world would have been able to handle it the way B.A. did, but he's calling plays and he's the interim head coach. There was a time where it was like fourth and a half yard or something. We're on our own 24. for i'm the punter obviously so like i'm standing literally right next to him like yo this clock is ticking like i'm not gonna delay a game brother okay i would like to flip this field we're not gonna go i'm standing next to him i'm listening to him go through whether or not they should go for it and it's like in the moment there's somebody i think you were looking at luck in the eye and it was like luck wanted to go for it then an offensive lineman i think gave you like uh let's go for you like yeah we can get a fucking half like i hear you actually say that and send it in and go it's It's like if play callers, you know, like that is a – you're disconnected from literally everything in the moment.

45:49Pat McAfee:We picked up that first down. Now we don't get that first down. Oh, that would have been awesome. Offensive lineman coming over, Andrew Luck coming over. You thought this was a guarantee. It's like I feel like you do got to be in it. You have to be. You have to be. I don't know if the sky view, though, gave you more, you know, like – Well, that's what Zach was saying because I asked him about it. I think, I mean, by the way, you won't find better football talk than what we're doing right now. Now, this is so interesting to the fans because you don't hear this stuff, and B.A. is the perfect guy to have.

46:16They won't listen. It's like he says to what B.A. was saying, he could just be in his own chill environment. And when you have Kirk Cousins at quarterback, who's a 10-year veteran, it's you call the play and Kirk hears it, we do it, it's operating. But when you've got Penix, who as good of an arm as he has, it's still his eighth start as an NFL player. You need that in between, and you don't really have that when you're up top. So the solitude, the silence, you can be a mad genius up top in the booth and you can draw it up and you can be, you know, Mr. Craftsman with what you want to do. True detective with all the stuff.

46:50You can have that in the booth. You can't do that on the sidelines. You have to be with the players. I think it's such an interesting dynamic. And now they're ready. They have not looked like the same team. They have looked so good. And that Washington team that they beat two weeks ago, granted it was Mariota, went to the NFC Championship game last year. The Buffalo team they beat last night went to the AFC championship game last year. They do it. It's fantastic. Ulbricht, who was as unceremonious as the goodbye to Rogers might have been in the Jets organization, they didn't give Ulbricht much love either on the way out.

47:20And now he's got the number one defense in the league, and they're clicking, and he's got young guys playing out of their mind. That is a fun, fun situation right now. And it's why I like being on the sidelines. Boots on the ground. I'm coming out of Atlanta. I'm like, oh, there's a vibe. There's something there that is special. and you could feel it in that building.

47:37Pat McAfee:Well, the Bills went down to Georgia and they were looking for a silver steel. And it's fine. And they're behind. They're looking like a deal. And then Josh Allen turned that thing over. Worst he's ever done. And his QBR's lowest that he's ever had, son. So let's talk about the other side a little bit of this. D-Butt has a question for you. I know your boots on the ground on Atlanta's side, but how surprised were you of this brick defense getting after Josh Allen? And what was your vibe from the Buffalo Bills now coming off of back-to-back losses. What's your vibe with that team going forward?

48:09Well, it's interesting because they were stung by injuries coming in. No Kincaid is a huge deal. He's basically their number one wide receiver. They lose Josh Palmer early on. So it's like, who's going to step up? Well, we don't have Curtis. So you start looking at guys, and it's like, all right, if this team's going to be a Super Bowl team, and I know Brandon Bean, our guy, is a little sensitive to this when they talk about the number one wide receiver. But in big moments, it's like Elijah Moore's on the field, and this guy Shavers is on the field. You're asking a lot from Shakir. You're asking a lot from Jackson Hawes, a rookie tight end.

48:39You're asking a lot. So I'm watching it and I'm thinking, do they have the horses to go 18 weeks, get that home field advantage, and then do a thing or two on offense? Because you can't just ask Josh to do it all. Cook got going in the second half a little bit, but Josh Allen is Superman and the Falcons were sending everyone at him. And I just, I don't know with Kincaid and Palmer, or not on the field and Keon Coleman not exactly lighting it up the way they were using him yesterday. I don't know if that weaponry is enough to compete. You've got to get those guys healthy and you've got to get them on the field.

49:13So I was surprised at how much that Atlanta defense dominated that very proud Buffalo offensive line. They did. But I do want to give them some grace and say let's get out of the bye week. Let's get some health here. Let's get some healthy guys here. And let's see what happens. I agree with you. They still got Josh Allen.

49:30Pat McAfee:Let's assume they still have Josh Allen. They paid Shakir this offseason. I think they thought he would be the number one. Kincaid was clearly the number two option. James Cook out of the backfield obviously able to do his thing. Ray Davis a weapon. You know, they have a lot out there. They just – Good old line. They got smaller by the – Dawson Knox got 50 mil. Yeah, they got – that was a tough night for them. But that's going to happen. It's a long season, 18 weeks. Not everybody can be 5-1. Only two teams can. That's true. Only one team from the AFC can be 5-1. That's true. You know who that is?

50:00Who's that?

50:00Pat McAfee:Indianapolis Colts? Yeah, who's the coach of the year on the AFC side? I'm still giving it a break right now. Ah, that's a guy. All right, let's talk about some coaches, shall we? We saw Callahan gone. I think you heard the tail end of our conversation there. Go ahead, Ty.

50:13Bruce Arians:Yeah, Shrakes, does that kind of open the top for maybe some of these other teams who are on the fence about firing their coaches? Does that kind of get the ball rolling here? What are you hearing about some other coaches around the league that might be on the hot seat? Yeah, I don't think there's much of a trickle down because they're not going to hire anyone right now. What they can do, maybe after Thanksgiving, you could start getting your eyes on some coaches and say, all right, let's start the process early. The Tennessee situation is very, very unique. And I appreciate Dan Orlovsky, and I appreciate all the people online who are like, here's an offensive coach that works.

50:44Here's an offensive coach that works. McCarthy, you've got to want to go there because right now there is, from the outside looking in, some real dysfunction. And that is you had John Robinson, who BA knows is as good of an evaluator as anybody. Okay, so you fire your GM midseason. That happens. Then you fire Mike Vrabel, and you're thinking, okay, well, maybe his act or whatever it is, maybe Ron ran out with that team or with that owner. Okay. But then they hired Ron Carthon, and you got the stuff here from Albert. Bang. Then, of course, this guy Brinker, who was Ron's assistant, gets promoted above Ron.

51:17And then Callahan's hired. He's fired. Borgonzio's hired as GM. He brings in Ziggler, but you still have this Brinker. Then the owner's not there. And it's like, all right, do I want to do this? Is this an ideal situation? Who's calling the shots? What do we have? Because Cam Ward, for as good as he might be, he's a very raw quarterback. He was at Incarnate Word. Then he goes to Washington State. Then he goes to Miami. Then he's thrown in as an NFL starting quarterback. If you're not going to have patience with your offensive coach, who was not only with Joe Burrow, but was once with, oh, Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, Derek Carr, like Brian Callahan's not some schmuck.

51:57Like he could do this. So if you're not going to have some patience with him, if you are one of these top coaches, is that a desirable job? I need to know the building. I need to know who I'm reporting to. And I want to know that everyone's on the same page. Something that wasn't really talked about highly, like Brian Callahan's an offensive coach. He had play calling duties, you know, taken away from him, whether he gave them up or it was taken away. and then the quarterback's coach was calling the play the last couple of weeks. Yes. That's a weird deal. Like, that's a little – And owner not at press conference?

52:29Pat McAfee:Owner not at press conference too? I mean, there's some suits that have a lot of power over there, it seems like, is what we're hearing. We love that. We love whatever the suits start saying. Would you ever give up play calling to the quarterback coach? What are you talking about here? Never. There's a lot of suits in that building that need to go to a dry cleaner and leave them there. Don't pick them up. That's amazing. Because everyone's going to assume this is like, all right, well, who do I want? Who's the idealist? You might not get the idealist. You might not get the pick of the litter. The Jets last year, everyone's like, well, Vrabel should go to the Jets.

53:03You think Vrabel wants to go to the Jets? No, Vrabel's going to go to the Patriots. I want the stable situation. I want the place I know. So I say all that to say, yeah, it might lead to a trickle-down effect. The names I would look at are people who feel confident walking into that building. The name that hasn't been mentioned much, Borgonzi is a really, really good evaluator of talent. Great dude. Also worked with Matt Nagy for many, many years in Kansas City. So if Nagy has another big year, like maybe it's another time we give him another shot at that game because they have a relationship.

53:34There it is. I'm talking out of my fanny on this one. I don't know that. Let's do a full search and let's actually interview everybody.

53:40Pat McAfee:Yeah, listen, sometimes you got to sit down on your fanny and do some thinking about it. That's what you got to do. You pull some stuff out of there. We've been pitching Mike McCarthy, but to your point, does Mike McCarthy want to get out of – what's that lake he goes up to in North? Yeah. He's talking about Door County. Door County. Yeah. So I'm going to miss Door County to go down. Is this Brinker's operator? Who's – is the owner here? No. Who am I? We should ask. We're definitely asking him. Yeah. We'll pull this clip out. We'll say, Coach, this is what we said about the Titans situation. Is this an accurate indication of how it would be?

54:13Pat McAfee:but it is interesting because they got a new stadium coming or a renovation coming, whatever it is. Nashville is one of the greatest cities on earth. Like that is no questions asked. That place is magical. When we've seen that they are a football place, obviously with the draft showing up us with the Colts going down there, we always played them. It was, it normally meant something, but they had filled up the people singing the national anthem. Always. It's awesome. Super celebrity. And like independently, you could make the argument. It was time to fire. it was time to move on from Vrabel or it was time to move on from Callahan.

54:44But when you put it all together in that time frame, you say, okay, well, what's going on here?

54:49Pat McAfee:Yeah. All right, last question here. Speaking of GMs and whoever's in charge, they can still make some plays. Go ahead, Conman.

54:54Bruce Arians:Yeah, Shraig, you're plugged in. We all know with the GMs. Who do you think is going to be the most active over these next three weeks before the trade deadline? Ooh, I like that. I find it interesting because you've got some teams that we didn't expect to be where they are. And maybe you guys thought the Colts, like, do they go and they make a big swing? Chris Ballard's never scared to listen and take a phone call, right? You look at a team such as, oh, I don't know, we're looking at the list here. You look at the LA Rams, like, okay, Seahawks and 49ers, 49ers just got banged up again. They lost Freddie Warner.

55:32Seahawks, we beat them week one. Like, do they take a swing? Because you got to look at the characteristics of the personalities of these general managers. Brandon Bean is always a Wheeler and dealer. Les Snead loves the art of the deal. I mentioned Chris Ballard. He's always down for that kind of stuff. And then Howie Roseman's an obvious one. So I look at those four GMs.

55:51Bruce Arians:Ed Paulson. And I say, everyone's expecting the Patriots or some of these other teams. Patriots, Packers. I know the Packers made the Micah deal. I would see before.

56:01Pat McAfee:You don't know Ed Paulson's new policies for the Packers. You don't. He comes to his baby Cormont. You're right. You're right.

56:08Bruce Arians:They make moves. I was going to say, Ed Policy, he might go out and grab the three best available players at the trade deadline. We don't know.

56:14Pat McAfee:We'd like to let Ed Policy know. We appreciate the way he's moving and grooving. Pittsburgh Steelers are also big-time movers and groovers when they haven't been over the past. Maybe that's the new era. You're right. Omar's done a nice job, too. Aggressive. I call him a con artist because he gets deals done. Now, Tomlin's calling out Andrew Barry for the deals that he's getting done, but maybe in a long term it will end up working out, just like D-Butt said. Shregs, we appreciate you. Your move to ESPN has worked out for us and for sports fans. we appreciate the hell out of you. I'm grateful. Hey, and also that Rushmore stuff you're doing, I have opinions on all of these topics, guys.

56:43I know you're posting about it. I have many opinions on best rock band. Are you serious? I love that you got Rick Rubin. I love Jimmy Iovine, but I got thoughts here.

56:54Pat McAfee:Okay, then we would like to hear them at Rushmore on X. That's Peter Schreger. We'll see you in the next hour. Goodbye.

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58:08Pat McAfee:Oh my god.

58:16Pat McAfee:Yes sir. That was a full start ladies and gentlemen 47 year football coach Bruce Arians here. Sorry for stepping on you there cutting you off. That's very rude of me to do. Toxie Tables here at Boston Corner, Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. And a man joining us live from Manatic in Ohio is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, and a guy that won over two last night on his pick. A.J. Hawk. And a man. Hawk, Hawk. Hawk, a tough one for you. You're welcome. You're welcome. I gave you those two victories last night. But it's good, though.

58:54I like when we're both, you know, we're both doing all right.

58:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, we're both tied heading into week seven. This is where we're supposed to be. You know, this is where we're actually supposed to be. We're seeing it the exact same way. Now, on that note, you just said you gave it to me. I would have picked the two teams that I picked. Okay. I didn't just pick the opposite side of you for both games because I was down two and needed both of them. Okay? I didn't do that. I made those decisions before you made the decision. I actually talked you into the decisions that you made because I knew where I wanted to go. on that note shout to my bears and my falcons we are so good the unders dude we are so boom you wanted overs i mean i actually won i mean if we're gonna keep doing this i hadn't been seeing the board and then last night it became crystal clear baby so let's talk about my bears and my falcons let's start with the falcons what they were able to do the bills was fantastic and i just went to the bathroom as we all did and i saw a couple people tweeting us from uh falcons fanhoods and basically said like hey thanks for not just talking the whole time about the buffalo bills being terrible.

59:57Pat McAfee:Thanks for mentioning that we're actually kind of good. What do they have, B.A.? The number one what in the number one what? Number one defense, number two offense. Right now, the Atlanta Falcons are balling. Now, they get their asses beat by the Carolina Panthers, which I think makes everybody go, ha! They stink. We knew they were going to stink. Bad decisions have been made. They've embarrassed themselves publicly. That is what everybody wanted, that Carolina Panthers thing with the Pennick stuff and the Cousins stuff and the hiring stuff and all the stuff. That is what people want to do. They want to make sure that their original opinion was the right one.

1:00:28Pat McAfee:Even though new evidence is shown to them, and it certainly contradicts everything you believe, you still want to be right the first time, which is why I think Shanahan and Mac Jones is always going to be a thing. But humans naturally want to be right. I think a lot of people are going to have to wake up to this Falcons team, AJ. After I watched them last night, now granted, I'm a huge Bills fan. I love Josh Allen. But this Falcons team with this Bajon Robinson guy, and then you hear what Schrager just said, where they know it. They know he's the guy. Whenever you go through your run game, that travels.

1:00:53Pat McAfee:When you go through the run game, you don't have to worry about maybe one person being on or another person having good timing. Whenever you can dominate people and run the ball and then also spruce and everything else that they can do, you can win big games and big moments, AJ. I believe in this Falcons team because of last night. Oh, I absolutely believe. I mean, their defense is awesome. The amount of pressure they're able to get on Josh Allen and make him uncomfortable. The offense never really was able to get going, I feel like, for Buffalo because that Atlanta defense was so good. But they talked about it on the broadcast, actually.

1:01:22like Bajon is awesome. Well, first off, the Bajon, Bajon situation. Dan was calling him Bajon. A couple of the guys in the booth were saying Bajon. And then they just started saying Robinson. So it felt like no one was exactly comfortable with how to. I hate to regret with that. I do too. Like I know, I guess he wants to go by Bajon. So that's how I will.

1:01:40Pat McAfee:Do we know if that's true or not? Because we just kind of made that up yesterday as a reason for us to say Bajon. Remember that was in real time. Did we see the clip? He spoke. I'll send it. I'll find it again. But he spoke on a basis. He says he doesn't care if it's Bajon. Okay, good. He has mispronounced it as well. What did he say, though? I think he said Bijan.

1:01:58Bruce Arians:What's McConaughey called? That's a good question. That's all we need to know. That's a great question. Probably something sweet. Probably something really random. He's the minister of culture, right, for Texas.

1:02:06Pat McAfee:Right. BR. You're talking about BR? You're talking about BR5, this guy? He is vastly different. He probably does call him a cool nickname. So if he doesn't care, I'm calling him Bijan because that sounds a lot better. Is this the video? Do we know if this is the video? Run it. We got a video. B.

1:02:23Bruce Arians:John Robinson, University of Texas. It's B. John. Who even said B. John yesterday?

1:02:27Pat McAfee:Why did that happen yesterday? B.

1:02:29Bruce Arians:John Robinson, Texas.

1:02:30Pat McAfee:Sorry, one more time? B.

1:02:32Bruce Arians:John Robinson, Texas.

1:02:33Pat McAfee:All right, no more discussion. I'm done with it. Who was it that said that?

1:02:37Bruce Arians:Dan O. said it 200 times yesterday. B. John.

1:02:39Pat McAfee:FaceTime him, please. Right now, he might be traveling. We need to let him know that what he did was bullshit. It is clearly B. John. Always has been. He did not be a... I mean, he... When you call yourself that, I think that's your name. Yes! As a guy that has been caught up in one of the most phonetic failure pronounced names of all time because of a complete change of pronunciation from a draft night to midway through season in Okariki, who then changes the pronunciation of his name, which I'm completely cool with, to go back to honor his family and everything like that, to Okariki. but then a video runs of somebody on draft night going, Oka Riki, screaming it, and then all of a sudden he changes his name completely.

1:03:23Pat McAfee:You feel terrible. You do feel terrible. That's a big night, and I am overemphasizing the mispronunciation of your name in the long run. So that's certainly something. But that was given, and that's how the name was pronounced at the time. This guy just coming on our show, acting as a journalist, I'm down here, I've been talking to the team, that whole thing, and then pronouncing the name wrong, putting us in a bad spot?

1:03:44Bruce Arians:Not happening. And he said on his board, phonetically, it is B-E-E-Z-H-A-N. So he saw that, saw Bijan. Talked to the guy. Yeah, exactly. And just said, you know what? I'm going to call him Bijan.

1:03:56Pat McAfee:The man that did that? Dan Orlovsky. Dan? What are you doing? Why did you do that to us? I mean, we're back to it. We called you in the middle of lunchy time. I do apologize for that. That's 100 % off. 1-0-7. Very standard snack time for every human in the world. We get it. Why'd you do that to us with Bijon? And after watching him, do you go, wow, Bijon be gone when he get D-ball? Is there a lot of those conversations happening now?

1:04:24Bruce Arians:I honestly don't to this day know how to pronounce his name. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. It's Bijon.

1:04:29Pat McAfee:It's on your card. He said it. We said it.

1:04:33Bruce Arians:We get those cards all the time, and they're wrong all the time. We'll have the PR staffs come in an hour before the game and go, So you guys need anything? And we'll go, can you guys confirm this pronunciation? And they'll be like, actually, it's this.

1:04:48Pat McAfee:All right, Dan, hold on, though. I don't like what's happening now. To Dan's point, we got more video footage coming out. This is from Fox 5, Atlanta.

1:04:58Bruce Arians:B. John Robinson, Texas. Have we all been pronouncing your name? B. John Robinson.

1:05:03Pat McAfee:What did you say? That was the wrong video. Two videos running out. He's got two videos going on. I'll tell you what, can't have that. No, no, my man. I got a million Bichons. Oh, my God. Happy it wasn't anything else in the history. Can we go to that video from Fox 5 Atlanta there and only run that one? Because I think there is a potential Dan Orlovsky case that ends up getting made.

1:05:22Bruce Arians:A lot of people ask me. I want to get it right. Okay, okay. I guess my name, how you pronounce my name is Bichon. Okay. That's how you say my name. But I say Bichon. Okay. What the fuck? What's this guy do? I said that. And my mom's like, why do you say your name like that? Like, I mean, that's just how everybody says it, but I don't, it doesn't really, like, affect me on how it's said. So if you guys want to say Bijan, like, go ahead. But if you guys want to say Bijan, I mean, I'm cool with that, too. But are we going to hear from your mom if we say Bijan? You might. She, no, she might, she might say something.

1:05:59I mean, she even told me, she was like, she called me the other day. She was like, like, these people are talking about you, but they always talk about you, and they say Bijan. And I'm like, what's wrong with that? That's what I say. And she's like, no. So it's whatever you guys want.

1:06:13Pat McAfee:Okay, so Dan and I would like to let everybody know we will pay respect to mom. It is Bajon. Dan, I take back every terrible thing I said about you. Okay, I said a lot of bad things for you there because I thought you put us into a jackpot. In this situation or in total forever? I'm talking about this situation. Don't get ahead of your skis here, Dan. Yeah, you need to watch where you're going. But I like you have dad season right there, and we're looking out for mom. So it's Bajon. But he just gave up. Telling people, I assume.

1:06:39Bruce Arians:Well, he's kind of the one who's kind of saying, like, listen, Mom, I don't give a shit if you name me Bajon. I like saying Bajon. That's basically what he said. So, I mean, if he's not even going to do it, I don't know. Bajon B-Gone is better. Yeah, Bajon B-Gone is certainly good.

1:06:54Pat McAfee:That's true, Coach. But hold on. Have we got to the bottom of it with A-Chan?

1:06:57Bruce Arians:No. I mean. We kind of just, we had to move past that one. Because he's a dolphin? Yeah, and well, that's a big part of it. And also, nobody knows, and I don't think we're ever going to find out.

1:07:05Pat McAfee:Okay, because I think there's too many accents involved in that. You know, because there's different accents.

1:07:11Bruce Arians:Also, Pat, I found out last night, you don't pronounce the second T in Atlanta. It's Atlanta.

1:07:19Pat McAfee:Duh. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Dan Orlovsky. You had a good game last night, Dano. Thanks, Dano. Yeah, Dan, well, there's a lot of things. Yes, today, you know, and... Why did that happen? What are you saying, get kicked off? It was just a good moment. Yeah, I could get back on to it. You're right. with the Bijon, but Bijon technically potentially possibly the right answer. We're kind of in a kerfunkle there. And people are going to say we're disrespectful regardless of what we say. Just know we think he's a great player. How was it calling the game last night? We think you did a great job, brother.

1:07:46Pat McAfee:How was it getting back in the booth, and what did you think of the atmosphere and the teams more specifically?

1:07:51Bruce Arians:Yeah, thank you. The call was great. It was a great game. It went a little bit, at least from Atlanta's perspective, how I thought that stadium is awesome. They had the roof open. That was the first time Fowler's been there a bunch. the first time that he had experienced the roof open, some of those shots up above of the aerial view of that stadium. I mean, that place is absolutely off the charts, man. You know, like some of the new stadiums, SoFi and Las Vegas are sensational. But, man, that shot's pretty sick right there. So it was a good environment, dude. A lot of Bills fans. Jeezy performed at halftime.

1:08:27Bruce Arians:Do you know him? But game – I do. Game-wise, it went a lot how I thought for Atlanta. I really thought Atlanta would have success running the football. Bijan is absolutely off the charts. I mean, he's off the charts. And his ability to – I don't know if there's a back in the league that has his kind of like jump cut, stop start. Like so many backs that are zone backs, they're like those slashers that they put that foot in the ground. It's like a one-cut foot in the ground and then they slash. He's like a jump cut almost. And just the strength to break tackles down the sideline. I don't know how many backs are scoring on that run.

1:09:05Bruce Arians:So he's a special player, man. He really is. Drake London is absolutely outstanding. I thought their defense, like if you go to Josh's touchdown pass on their opening drive, they rush four and they play zone. Josh has got all day. He pump fakes and it's a touchdown. And you're sitting there going, okay, Atlanta, are you going to do that? Because if you do that, you'll get ripped up. You know, look at the pocket. He's got all day. I mean, no one's near him. This was, it felt like the last time he had a clean pocket. And really after that, and really after the Palmer injury, they just absolutely came after Buffalo.

1:09:41Bruce Arians:And there is a reality for me. My two takeaways from Buffalo's offense is you got to be in context with their injuries. I mean, Palmer being out and Kincaid being out and Samuel being out, big deal. But Keon Coleman's got to step up, man. Keon Coleman, it's year two, dude. You were drafted, the guy they make the trade, the Chiefs that Xavier Worthy, everything's going to be okay. Keon Pullman's going to be the guy. He's got to kind of grow up in reality of his ability to play. The fact that they're begging for someone to go make a play on the perimeter last night and they're not even trying to feature Keon Pullman, I think it's a bad sign.

1:10:22Bruce Arians:They weren't trying to get him away from A.J. Terrell. Their offensive line definitely got it handed to them by Atlanta last night. But, man, Keon Fulman's got to step up for this unit. And, you know, if that doesn't happen, it gives me a little bit of concern. But I think full strength, full health, Buffalo's offense is going to be what Buffalo's offense has been.

1:10:41Pat McAfee:All right. We'll take that from Dan Orlovsky, the man who pronounces his name right or wrong, depending upon the situation. And a guy who will certainly take a swing at a take if you need one. We appreciate you, dude. Have an incredible day. Thanks, boys. Great work last night. You should be proud. Crush it. Thank you, sir. You're a good man. You're a good man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Ross. And then let's go to the other game last night, Bears Commanders. Bears get a huge win. Jake Moody hits a 38-yard field goal that he hits right down a pipe. Good for him in his career. Nice little bounce back since leaving the San Francisco 49ers.

1:11:16Pat McAfee:That just got weird out there. I don't know why. It just stopped hitting good balls, it felt like, even though we all have an immense amount of faith. He obviously went to Michigan from Michigan. the Midwestern boy gets back in the Midwest team and does great. He slept in a twin bed the night before. He said he also didn't have a shower with hot or cold water. It was kind of both of them. So he took a cold shower before the game, which might become a new routine, and maybe he buys a twin bed, which is what he was sleeping in before the game as well. He certainly took some time to chit-chat about how life was much better now than it was whenever he was with the Niners.

1:11:47Pat McAfee:And life's great for the Bears, AJ. I mean, they start 0-2. The world's falling. and now they've won three straight. Your thoughts? I mean, it's amazing to think of what we were saying about the Bears three, four weeks ago compared to what you think now. Early on, remember we said, hey, he wouldn't have taken this gig. He wouldn't have taken this head coaching gig if he didn't believe in Caleb. Obviously, he had many options he could have taken, so he knew what he was capable of doing with Caleb. I think Caleb's kind of settling in and feels good about where he's at. He looks very confident in the pocket right here.

1:12:16Also, you got DeAndre Swift. That guy's a monster. That really helps, I think, Caleb. I love the blocking out here by John Dre Swift here, blocking for his QB. But the Bears, I mean, are the Bears something that the people in the NFC North are going to worry about now? You tell me.

1:12:31Pat McAfee:AJ, you tell me. Now, here's a stat to emphasize your point about Caleb and Ben Johnson. His average time to throw was 2.65 seconds last night. That's first game under three. And if you remember Jared Goff, Ben Johnson, it was just like we're making decisions. We know exactly what's going on, pre-snap and post-snap. We know what's going on. That's an indicator, I think, of him understanding what the hell he's supposed to be doing, right, AJ? I think so, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and every, I mean, there's some wide-ass open guys. Ben Johnson's offense is going to do that. But if he can operate that offense, they're going to have success in the NFC North.

1:13:04Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. We've already seen that, obviously, with the Detroit operation. And like Ben said, whenever he took the gig, you know, Caleb can do stuff that Jared Goff's never dreamt of doing. If this play has to go off script, Caleb can make the magic happen. Are we going to see all of that, Bruce? Is everything that was the upside of potentially Ben and Caleb coming together, is that all possible for this season? Do we think it's going to take a couple years? Are we close to seeing Caleb Williams be a top 10, top 5 quarterback in the NFL with Ben Johnson's leadership? I don't think there's any doubt as long as they keep giving that ball to DeAndre Swift because it all starts with that running game.

1:13:40If he doesn't have the running game and has to throw it 50 times, we're going to see the old Caleb because he's going to be running around for his life. They keep that running game going, which they did in Detroit. Ben always had a great running game, and they looked powerful last night running the football, especially at the end. When you have to run it, then Caleb's going to be a hell of a quarterback.

1:13:56Pat McAfee:They know you're running it. We know you're running it. Being able to run it is a tone setter. Ben Johnson's attitude almost settling into Chicago as well, D-Bud. I love you all. We always see the tricky stuff with the Detroit offense and the Ben Johnson stuff, but it comes down to being able to run the ball. And then the second part of that stat that was just popped up, there was 48 % play action rate I think I saw. I mean, if he's living in that world, play action, turning back to the defense, getting his eyes back down and hitting guys wide open, like that is what Jared Goff did. And then when it does break down and something happens, he can scramble for 15, 20.

1:14:30So he has all the tools. Ben has all the tools. It's going to be about can they continue to put a good team around him.

1:14:38Pat McAfee:I was out on the Bears again. Big time. You're giving up too quick. Most people were. Not publicly. I don't think I did it on the show into the microphone. I think I certainly did not have as much super optimistic praise about the Bears after seeing some things. I just thought humans-wise, this is not a good fit. I just think what we learned about Ben Johnson and what we thought we knew I guess about both these guys, but Caleb it's like this ain't... Jared Goff was great for Ben Johnson because Jared Goff just like, whatever, you tell me I'll do. I think the most outside of the lines thing I've ever seen Jared Goff do is when he dressed up like a Juco quarterback for, I think it was Red Bull.

1:15:21Pat McAfee:And he put on like Chad Powers, basically. He did Chad Powers. Went and did a workout and everybody's like, whoa, who's this guy? And he's like, it's me, Jared Goff. Like, that's the most outside of football thing I've ever seen from Jared Goff. And then you got Caleb. Caleb's obviously got everything. He's got a fund. He's got this. Obviously, he's got the nails. I think he has a paint brand. He has businesses. He has everything. USC, Los Angeles, Hollywood. Caleb has all the bright lights. Everything that could potentially be considered a distraction, which is why it was so impressive with what Caleb was able to do because he was like the first one in this NIL brand who was getting paid more than everybody.

1:16:02Pat McAfee:He was getting more opportunities than everybody. He was still playing great and doing his thing. I guess you could say he was more mature. There was a lot of shit outside of the world with the modern athlete then opposed to maybe the jared goff generation of athlete which is like 10 years ago let alone 20 years ago so i immediately thought ben johnson and caleb were never going to work that's 100 on me i was clearly wrong what i didn't you know remember at the time is that caleb what has like tom brady stats like on his phone yeah like caleb Williams if he's told what would make him great which i assume ben johnson was able to do like hey here's how you can be great this is what i need from you exactly yeah it's like caleb from all understanding but his competitive spirit and what he wants to do.

1:16:41Pat McAfee:That's all he cares about. Everything else is kind of outside of it. I guess I should have put more respect on that. Him buying into Ben Johnson's culture because he thought there would be success on the other end and there clearly has been here five, six weeks in. Totally and I think when you have an offense starting, defense sees it too. Defense is going to start playing better and better and freer and looser because their offense is scoring points and not turning it over every damn time. So it's hand in hand. That's how that team gets built and Ben's doing a great job with. Playing in Chicago, NFC North too, you're going to have to win ugly games like that one last night.

1:17:15You're going to have to be able to run the ball. You're going to have to be able to take care of the ball in shitty weather games. And that's not something you necessarily thought of when you saw Caleb Williams. And we all talked about it, building from the outside and having those great weapons on the outside, but not having the O-line. We have that O-line and you can run the ball. We haven't really even seen Luther Burden be a big factor in this offense week in and week out. We see what Rome is becoming. We know who DJ Moore is. Loveland, who got drafted before Tyler Warren. Had a couple plays last night.

1:17:41He made some big plays, but I don't think we've seen him yet. So, it's a lot of growth there left for this team just on the offensive side. And then defensively, you've got a former head coach, Dennis Allen. He's going to have those boys playing well as well.

1:17:52Bruce Arians:Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, I'll play devil's advocate. This is Green Bay Packers owner, Ty Schmitz. Exactly, because I'm a Packers fan, so you can take it with a grain of salt. There's no two ways about it. Like, they are getting better week over week. We talk about competing in the north. like they got their asses kicked by the lions and they've gotten beat by the Vikings. So there are only two losses have been to the NFC North. Now, granted that's earlier in the season. And I think one thing you could say about the bears to give them a lot of credit is in years past, they start out own to like you, they start sprinkling a little bit.

1:18:23Bruce Arians:It rains shit on them. And then the season is just over like before Thanksgiving for them to start Oh, and two and be like, Hey, every, the sky's not falling. We're going to be okay. And to look as good as they have the last couple of weeks, That is obviously very promising if you're a Bears fan.

1:18:37Pat McAfee:Moody, good kicker in my eyes as well. NFC North, though, AJ, if you think about it, obviously got Caleb and Ben. You got Jordan and LaFleur. Jared Goff and MCDC is just what we're going to have to say now at this point. He's a little bit older. And then there's a really young duo over there in Minnesota, Conman.

1:18:52Bruce Arians:Yeah, that's just like the biggest question mark. And to Ty's point, just to kind of pile on the Bears for a second there, they did completely screw up Loveland just because Warren's already the best tight end in the league. But when you look at the Vikings, like that's the next question. Just the law of averages, okay? We have five quarterbacks from last year's rookie class, and they're all playing incredible football, and all of their teams, I think all of them have winning records or 500, and then there's J.J. McCarthy. So if you're thinking about it, you know, just zoomed out, you would assume that might not work, and they've only showed one good quarter of football, and it was against the Bears when they weren't really, hadn't figured it out yet.

1:19:29Bruce Arians:So, like, my question for you guys, like, especially you, Bruce, yeah, Do you think J.J. and KOC will work? Because at the current moment in time, they really screwed the pooch letting Sam Darnold go.

1:19:40Pat McAfee:Whoa! Yeah, I'd say Sam Darnold would be balling for KOC. What could they do salary cap-wise? And J.J. McCarthy getting hurt and not playing more is not good. How do you feel they end up making it?

1:19:50Bruce Arians:And they let Dan Jones out of the building. Sorry, forgot about that.

1:19:53Pat McAfee:Yeah, and they had an offer allegedly that was a little bit more than Colts, but it wasn't a – he's paying, what,$13 million for us? Yeah, something like that. Which, Dana Jones, we can't. Hey. We love you, Dimes. We absolutely love you. Legitimately needed him here for a decade. We are so thankful you were here. And let me tell you, I don't have any say in it, but if I was a public owner like they are of the Packers, I would say, give this man his money. Let's go ahead and let Danny Dimes find a nice house here that might be for sale soon in Indianapolis. Maybe call himself home here in Indiana.

1:20:27Pat McAfee:But yes, Minnesota Vikings had him in the building last year. And because of how much they liked him, I think that is why a lot of other people like them as well. Like, hey, KOC and the Vikings are saying good things. Now they get Aaron Rodgers was potentially going to go to Minnesota. They said no. Sam Darnold was there. Danny Dimes was there. And Aaron Rodgers said he wanted to be a Vikings, allegedly said he would be open to conversations with the Minnesota Vikings, even though I don't think that was ever completely confirmed by either party. And we're not confirming that right now. But whenever you think about them choosing JJ, they're going to give him a lot of time to figure it out, you think, because of that decision being made?

1:21:00Pat McAfee:or what do you think on them building back their relationship? I don't think there's any doubt. They put that C on his chest for a reason. When a rookie quarterback gets a C on his chest, he's got something special. He's got Carson Wentz playing really good right now. So it's like, I'm not counting out the Vikings for sure, and especially Kevin O 'Connell. That's going to be a division kind of like the SEC on a nine-game schedule. They're going to knock the shit out of each other every week. The NFC North is going to be a dogfight. In the SEC, if you start looking ahead, forecasting schedules for ranked teams in every single conference.

1:21:31Pat McAfee:The Big Ten, a lot of their good teams, they're playing a lot of teams that don't have numbers next to them going ahead, okay? In the ACC, you're seeing a lot of teams playing teams that don't have numbers next to them. The SEC, all the teams at the top with numbers next to them, they're all playing each other over the next five weeks or so, four or five weeks. And boy, the SEC folks are going to get loud. Oh, so let me get to you. The Big Ten doesn't got to fucking play anybody. We play everybody. We get a couple losses and we're not allowed into college football. Yeah, right. Big 12 is playing ranked.

1:22:05Pat McAfee:I mean, this weekend, BYU, Utah, Arizona State has a couple big ones going down. So it's like even Big 12 has ranked games. With Penn State not being ranked, which I think a lot of people are assuming would be another big game on the schedule, it's going to get loud at the end whenever we're talking about playoff seats. Just would like to let everybody. It's going to get loud. Real loud. AJ, it is going to be louder than it was last year, and I'm here for it, certainly, because what happened to Tennessee when they came up to the north? Bingo. In the college football playoff. What was that? Everybody's talking about Texas having a bad year.

1:22:38Pat McAfee:Well, maybe that's because they came up to the north to start their season. There's going to be that angle as well. Who's won the last two national championships? Oh, that's an— Oh, shit. That's right, the Big Ten. Oh, my God. It's set up so good for so much fodder. All right, let's talk about some NFL news. Let's talk about some NFL news. Brian Branch has been suspended for one game for his smock-in-the-mouth Juju Smith-Schuster during the potential dap-up era of a football game. Now, I do appreciate that they say, yeah, Juju got tossed around by his helmet and he ended up bleeding from the nose.

1:23:19Pat McAfee:And he obviously thought that they were going for a dap-up, even though a lot of people are showing a block from like three minutes and 20 seconds left in the game where Juju cracks down and really gets Brian Branch pretty good. I mean, this is quite a crack, quite a shot. And Juju would say, that's tough football. And Branch right there would say like, yeah, you got me in my back though. And Juju said, I didn't call it. So that is probably the entire interaction right there. I think Juju potentially thought it was over at that moment. We're moving on. He's screaming the sideline, goes the dap up.

1:23:49Pat McAfee:Branch smacks and says, no, actually, I'm not done with this. Hands on waist. I hate you. Boom. Shot to the mouth. Everybody wondered what was going to happen because the melee that ensued. Obviously, the NFL is going to have to figure things out. He did do a little we toss. He didn't get thrown. Obviously, it's a very dangerous situation. You had camera people in there. Nobody blowing out their knee or the ankle was obviously a good thing. We assumed the NFL would do a punishment. Jalen Carter, before they even stepped foot on their first play, because of the spitting incident, he got suspended.

1:24:20Pat McAfee:that game basically is what they considered. A lot of people assumed this was going to be a similar situation. He's suspended for one game. I love that they say, suspended without pay. It's like, they're reminding people that suspensions, you don't get paid. Like, this is them saying he is getting fined because he's not getting paid. Okay, so he's getting suspended and getting fined. Anytime somebody's suspended, they are getting fined because they're not getting paid for. So it feels like during the rollout of this, it was a reminder to people, like, we are taking money out of his pocket for this and also he's going to be suspended because i was suspended for a game for a public intoxication situation and boy no game checking you start adding up the fines i got 150 fine for marion county i got a 29 000 fine from the nfl for a book that you start doing the math it's like oh my god game checks are real never want to hear game checks on the line for anything unless you're very sure of it unless you're very sure of it but he misses a game and one 18th of his yearly salary which i think we all assumed was going to be the case aj yeah this is why you want if you're signing a new deal you want to have league minimum in your salary and you want your money and bonuses so if you do get set down for a game it may be you know i don't know eighty thousand dollars instead of three million if you have a huge base salary that's it that's one benefit of having your money come in bonuses, I feel like, and having a low salary when it comes to how it's structured.

1:25:44But, I mean, we're not shocked, are we, that he got suspended in the game? You know, he's throwing a punch that obvious. Yeah, it's going to happen. Nothing happened to Juju, though, right? He's cool.

1:25:53Pat McAfee:He's going to get a money I don't know, actually. He's just defending himself, and he got weed around. He did flop. Yeah, B.A., what do you think whenever you see this type of situation? Obviously, physical altercations, it's a physical sport. there have been fights in the history of football. I think the way this all went down had MCDC afterwards saying, that ain't who we are. This ain't what we're known for. And then Foxy, Detroit Lions fan, comes out and says, a lot of people want to smack Juju Smith-Schuster. A lot of people. And Brian Branch did that. No matter how disgusting Foxy tried to turn this incident into, what are your thoughts on it all?

1:26:27Pat McAfee:And did you expect a one-game suspension? Yeah, it's going to be at least one. I would hope to see more because there's no place for this. No place for this postgame. so many people could have got hurt and that could have turned into a huge melee had other guys got involved. Thank God the cooler heads prevailed. Guys were trying to get them off the pile, stop it. Instead of joining in and start throwing helmets and all this shit that can happen, I'd been fine with three games. Okay, so that's B.A. in the NFL for 27 years. And we thought that there was going to be a big precedent set by the NFL.

1:26:58Pat McAfee:Media people are in there. Anytime it's like, hey, these aren't our people. Yeah, how did they not tear their ACL? Yeah, like when people are getting thrown around, those camera guys, it's unbelievable. No one else got hurt in this. Like any of the civilians on the field worked. There was a high stepper, I think, from a camera that got him out from underneath some stuff. And I think that is why B.A. is saying what he's saying, though. It's like the NFL could very easily say, hey, these aren't our people that you guys are currently potentially affecting. And also, there's a lot of shit talkers in this sport.

1:27:25Pat McAfee:Okay? So when the game's over, we can't have people just fighting because of what was being said or happening in the game. We thought a big precedent was going to. Now, one game, I think, is huge. That's a big deal. Now, you're saying three games, obviously, a little bit more of a message to everybody, which I completely concur. Speaking from a player's perspective, you only have 17 opportunities a year to kind of do your thing, let alone earn the check of it all. So a one-game suspension is a big deal. Nobody did get hurt, right? So that is Brian Branch's angle. Like, hey, you saw a camera, people.

1:27:59Pat McAfee:I clearly was telling them to, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, while I was tossing Juju around in the head. But it was a wild scene that I don't think any of us expected in prime time.

1:28:08Bruce Arians:Well, and that's my question for you, B.A. Like, I get it, sure. I mean, the fact that you said three games is absurd to me. But, like, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, you were his coach. They got injured on the field. He got kicked out. I don't know what his suspension was. But this wasn't the only thing. Like, a lot of people were saying Brian Branch was kind of a piece of crap for shoving off Mahomes, you know, before he did that. But if you went back and watched the game, Mahomes points at Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown, flips the ball in front of Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown, and then flexes while staring at Brian Branch after scoring a touchdown.

1:28:43Bruce Arians:So, like, three games. Okay, but when Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore got into it, what's your messaging to the team and what was his suspension when that happened? It was one game. It was a game, too. And I probably started that one, so.

1:28:59that's fair and I got kicked off the sideline for the rest of my career too so yeah but I think but no for me three games not necessarily without pay one for sure alright but all that shit you're talking about happens between the lines that shit goes on every week between the lines this is outside the lines alright post game most guys are praying alright now you're bringing civilians in I'm not sure there's not but some cameraman might have got a kick that's going to have a civil lawsuit in here.

1:29:29Pat McAfee:You're saying might have slipped and failed here. I actually have some PTSD as well from what I've seen. You saw Juju fly through the sky. His nose was bleeding right in front of me. Oh, my God. I'm not going to be able to get back out there. Yeah, it was scary. It was a scary scene. But, yeah, all of it's sad. They'll move on. BA is talking, though, as a person that has been in these altercations, saying we can't be carrying what we're saying in the second quarter or in the postgame. Like, that can't be with the postgame. Not to the best. There's some things that have been, like, CJ, GJ, let's assume that he has potentially said some things.

1:29:59Pat McAfee:First quarter, second quarter, third quarter, or maybe fourth quarter. Hey, how about overtime? If we get an opportunity, we're going to say that. When this game ends, though, can't be fighting on field because of something that happened. It's basically what BA is implying. Yeah. Can't carry over the game into a time whenever it's not live action. Yeah. Now, if you want to meet each other in the back hallway, which has happened. Swing away. That's what happened. You guys want to go ahead and release? Get out by the buses. Yeah, you want to go on the bus? We can block this thing. You guys need to handle some stuff.

1:30:27Pat McAfee:You got to do what you got to do. Now, wasn't that the NBA? Yeah. They called the police? Kevin Gardner. Yeah. And I think Melo? No, Phoenix. Was it Phoenix?

1:30:35Bruce Arians:No, it was Phoenix and the Clippers and Chris Paul. Allegedly, they were going to meet in the back or whatever and Charles Barkley and Shaq shit. Oh, yeah. That was a different one, yeah.

1:30:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, there was a cops call. I think cops were called at one point because that was the whole conversation. It's like police are getting called because you guys want to fight each other in the back? Like, let's take it easy, boys. You want to throw hands. Let's do this. By all means. Let's do this like civilized gentlemen here. Let's rally around. Let's get our hockey sticks. Let's stick tap for this thing. It's crazy what is acceptable in one sport and not in another. And it's like you can't fight in football. And after the game, we can't have you fighting and potentially tearing out the cameraman.

1:31:10Pat McAfee:We learned that lesson. A.R., Anthony Richardson's story is an interesting one. his professional career thus far if it was to be a book would certainly be a must read just because of all the twists and turns that you think can't happen to somebody who has the incredible upside that his body currently has so incredibly athletic so incredibly gifted so incredibly dynamic like makes you think this guy could be greatest of all time i believe there was a lot of people in the indianapolis colts organization at the highest levels that thought that hey this is the most gifted person to ever come into the nfl well he's only played like 13 games or something in total yeah but we can get him there we can get him there we can do that so literally drafted on potential and opportunity became a storyline in of itself whenever opportunities were starting to disappear because of injuries or other situations brewing off the field now we have the most recent one this guy was warming up trying to do the right thing he came into this season I think a much better professional quarterback I think people would say.

1:32:17Pat McAfee:Came in early, seemed to be prepared. Now there's still football stuff that he had not experienced or learned in his life that was certainly on display in the first preseason game against Baltimore when they ran a very standard pressure and he gets demolished without even seeing it. Ends up breaking his pinky, which once again, whole nother storyline to his added short NFL career thus far. So they go a different direction with Danny Dimes. He is nothing but positive on the sideline he is nothing but a helper to danny dimes he's dapping people up on the sideline it's like this guy is buying into everything that he has to be in the end trying to do the right thing warm up in a locker room bands posted on something on a wall something falls off wall okay i don't know what it was it was wrapped around something that was on wall off wall hits him in face okay immediate blood i guess from what i've been told blood immediate to hospital and surgery and i think they're gonna plastic i think it's like uh i think it's like the most unlucky situation could have blinded him yeah i mean yeah yeah i don't know the entire insight but it's something off wall hits and then it's immediate like obviously orbit was an orbital yeah but broke his orbital bone and it's like that's really close so like to your point i was that but it's like how unlucky can it do get you know like needed reps got hurt couldn't play okay need to learn something can't because can't play to learn thing then has opportunity to learn grow watch a pro be a part of a good team be a part of a good culture and all of a sudden yeah you gotta go actually because the wall falls and hit you in the face it's like this dude's unlucky he's incredibly gifted i assume he's going to maintain a positive mindset like he has but geez louise this guy can't buy a break right now ba now a lot of people say he hasn't set himself up to in the past.

1:34:08Pat McAfee:But this year, it felt like he was doing everything right and still has the football gods happening. Yeah, you hate to see it happen, especially in something crazy like that. You know, he was making all the right moves, trying to learn. I think he's learned a lot watching Danny's prepare and seeing another pro prepare. And it's just a shame for the guy. Yeah, I hope it all. Hey, A.R., pull it for you, brother. Godspeed. Absolutely crazy. Let's talk about some game balls. BA last week I think you mentioned it in some take that you have if I had game balls I'd be giving this guy oh yeah you made you made Liam Cohen give Ezra Cleveland a game ball you said hey if I were you I'd be giving a ball directly to Ezra are you going to give him a game ball?

1:34:53Pat McAfee:You should give him a game ball so he was I'm sure he was going to but definitely publicly forced by you to give him a game ball because Ezra and his family saw that entire interaction and said yeah that's a good question, actually. Why does Liam give us game balls? This guy hates us. So we immediately thought, oh, B.A., you should give out game balls. Something that a coach does every single week. So we got B.A.'s game balls. You want to start in the NFC or the AFC? One per is how we decided to do this. No, I'll start in the AFC. Okay. And it's no surprise. They're back. Patrick Mahomes. Congrats, Pat.

1:35:22Pat McAfee:And a baby, Patty. Hey. And in the NFC, probably the most electric player in the league right now, B. John Robinson. B.J. B.J. Hey, baby! B.R. 170 rush yards, one rushing touchdown, 68 receiving yards, and obviously the show of the Atlanta Falcons down there. Had Jeezy on at halftime. We thought that was a good omen. What we didn't know fully is what Dan Orlovsky told us. This guy is the entire offense. They're building around him, A.J. It's special time down in Atlanta, and now congrats to B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. B.J. Yeah, he is. If you see this, I know Dano talked about it on the broadcast.

1:36:05Bijan's in that pistol set, so he's behind the quarterback when the quarterback is in a gun. Dano is actually saying he's not a huge fan of it for the quarterback. He feels like it can make the quarterback not sure of where to drop or whatever if he's throwing the ball. But I think it does so much for this offense. Defensively, it gives you a little bit weird, like a different look. He's almost hidden behind the quarterback. And with Bijan's patience, like the guy's patience and vision is just off the charts. and it seems like every play, too, like, oh, he's lined up at it. He's at it one. He's a receiver.

1:36:34Motion him back in, and whether he's getting the ball or not, he's getting a ton of attention. And Algiers, his, what, 21-yard touchdown, the first score of the game, like, I think Bijan motions out. Multiple guys are paying attention, going with him, and Algiers is awesome as well, and he just takes it to the house. So this offense, I think, is only going to get better as the season goes.

1:36:52Pat McAfee:And Buffalo Beals' defense against the run and running backs was obviously soft, So that's why many people, including Dano, thought it was going to be a bad matchup for this Buffalo Bills team. And now the world's falling in Buffalo yet again. And Atlanta is thriving. They have a B.A. game ball down coming to that locker room. And then for the AFC, you said Patrick Mahomes. Let me tell you about Patrick Mahomes right now. Who's the odds-on favorite to win the MVP? Let's go to Hammer. Don, Don, AP Tone. That would be Patrick Mahomes. Hey, who's the odds-on favorite to win the AFC? I think that's the Kansas City Chiefs.

1:37:25Pat McAfee:Okay, so you have a couple good games of offense, and all of a sudden everybody goes, yep, they woke up. Rasheed Rice is about to show up. It's a real fear that we all have of the Kansas City Chiefs. And whenever we start to see them play well, we all go, oh, the boogie monster's back. I mean, this is bad news for everybody. For the NFL, though, it's awesome. I love that Patrick Mahomes is back balling. I like that Travis Kelsey looks a little bit faster, quicker, leaner, meaner. I like that Andy Reid is back in his bag. I like that Spagnola's able to win these big games again. I like that the Kansas City Chiefs are good again.

1:37:59Pat McAfee:And you gave Patrick Mahomes a game ball. Why is that? Why was he the decision? A lot of good players. Four touchdowns, I mean, and everybody's writing them off. And the last three games are averaging 30 points a game. That's Kansas City Chiefs football again. Now the defense is going to start playing again. I think Chris Jones got his lesson learned. And he'll be playing balls out for the rest of the year. Patrick Mahomes, back to the MVP favorite because we all assume that they're just going to be around and win the big games at the end of the season. Trick him, dick him, back in the Chiefs offense.

1:38:30Pat McAfee:And Patrick Mahomes has been running a lot. That's a little bit different from this year versus years past. He's been running a lot. I think he feels a sense of urgency to get this offense back on track, AJ. Yeah, I mean, when Patrick Mahomes is doing Patrick Mahomes things like this, when he uses his legs, I don't know how you guys watch the quarterback thing, the workouts that this dude was doing in season is unbelievable. what he's the running all the different movements like the pliability stuff it's pretty amazing what he what he can do he's he's definitely a deceptive athlete where i think people underestimate his wiggle and they underestimate his speed and strength so it's uh it's a fun thing to watch i don't know if you guys saw the clip or not there's a clip and it says why how can you only hear patrick mahomes's voice over all this and they're fighting you know when when juju and them are fighting you can hear hey you can hear mahomes's voice like trying to get everybody to stop over everyone.

1:39:19There's 800 people there, and we can hear Patrick Mahomes trying to calm everybody down.

1:39:23Pat McAfee:I didn't think about him quickly becoming OG or unk in the league. Patrick Mahomes growing right in front of us already has a GOAT resume, and it feels like he's having a second chapter with this Chiefs offense, D-Bone. He's special. What him and Andy Reid have been able to do for this long, how many AFC championships, games, how many Super Bowl appearances, Super Bowl wins at this point in the league. We had Montana on. He didn't pick them because he felt like he was too old. Is this dude even 30 yet. He's unbelievable. Leading the team right now and rushing, which you don't want. But he's dangerous, man.

1:39:53Carrying all the weight that he's carried. Now Worthy's back healthy. Hollywood Brown, he's had a couple touchdowns. That's going to open things up for Travis Kelsey. And there was Shee Rice, who before he got suspended and injured, he was becoming that number one receiver, that number one target. We'll see where he picks up now. If this run game can get going outside of Patrick Mahomes, they'll be even more difficult to stop. and then Spaggs, you know he'll figure it out down the stretch when it comes to the big games they have to win. I think if you go back to the combine, maybe the two best scramblers in the league right now, the two MVP candidates, Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield.

1:40:26I think they both ran 4-8. They say, these cats are just pocket passers,

1:40:32Pat McAfee:and they're running all over the place. Okay, so let's talk about Baker a little bit because we are talking MVP candidates. We talked about, you know, it felt like there were six of them that got wins that could potentially be MVP candidates. Sam Darnold's in there. Obviously, Baker Mayfield is at the top of the class whenever you start thinking about that conversation for what he's been able to do down in Tampa. You're saying it's not just Baker, obviously. Baker's got an offensive coordinator who's new to town. Obviously, you just lose Liam, you lose David Canales whenever you're down there.

1:40:57Pat McAfee:They got a new offensive coordinator. They got Baker. They have so many injuries. How have they had the success down there as somebody that's in the building, literally, weekly? Yeah, I think Josh Grisard is doing an amazing job. That's new offensive coordinator. That's the new offensive coordinator. When you don't have your right side of your offensive line and your top four receivers and you score 30 points against the Niners, you're doing a hell of a job. Now, I've got to give Todd Bowles a ton of credit. For me, he is the coach of the year just because of what he's doing with all the injuries.

1:41:23Not just on offense, but on defense. I mean, he went to the game with, like, nine starters out and beat the Niners. But, yeah, I think what Bakes just throwing him on his back. He's got the Johnson & Johnson brothers. They're like sixth and seventh receivers catching touchdown passes. And one can do a hell of a flip. Oh, Tez can fly.

1:41:43Pat McAfee:Tez can absolutely fly. And Tez's thing coming out, you talked about Baker running a 4 '8". Tez was 142 pounds and ran like a 4 '5", 4", or something like that. And people were like, there's no way this guy can be this small and this slow. He's behind a defense right there, D-Butt. What does that mean? I mean, his play speed was never 4 '5". I was shocked when he ran that time because we saw him play and he was a fast guy, kind of opposite of like Jackson Smith and Jigba. I don't know what his 40 time is, but when him and like Ibuka get on the field, but their field speed is different. And that's his field.

1:42:12This was a third and long, and Baker found him. And not only his speed, like this catch was unbelievable. You watch this catch in slow motion for him to catch that, and then obviously we see the athleticism with his celebration. But, yeah, Baker, you can do it with whoever's lined up out there. Everybody in the NFL is talented, but we don't know these guys. These guys didn't come into the season thinking they'll be the number one, two, or three guy on the outside or the inside. Even the guys have been blocking for him. Bucky Irvin's been out. He's one of the best backs in the league in a run and pass game.

1:42:41So what Baker's been doing is just unbelievable. Good for Tampa. Yeah, that play, the kid did not have a post route either. Yep. He just threw his hand up. That's a hell of a job for a rookie now to know safety squatted. I'm supposed to break in. I just throw my hand up and Baker finds him. Great job.

1:42:58Pat McAfee:The other one. Yeah, the Tess. Yeah, the Tess Johnson touchdown. He sees the safety come and then you see him go like this right here. And then you see him start to pull away from safety. and it's like, hey, maybe this guy isn't slow as hell. Maybe you should watch the film instead of just the analytics coming out of the combine. Yeah, that's like fourth read, third read for Baker there? Oh, at least, yeah, because that's not the route. That's the sun. Yeah, but he goes right, thinks he's going right, looks back left, and I think he sees. He's pointing pre-snap, too. You see him pointing pre-snap, too.

1:43:27Who's that, AJ? Tez? Yeah, before that, if you go back to the old angle, he's pointing pre-snap. Like, I think these dudes are sitting on me. Watch. Look, he's starting to point right away. Oh, here we go. I'm right here, baby. Hey, wait a minute, Mike, Mike, Mike. And then, bam, hand goes up then. Okay, Tez. Catching like the back third of the ball, too. That's unbelievable. That's such a difficult catch right there. That's how you get more reps.

1:43:48Pat McAfee:Hey, that's how you get MVP chance, too. That's right, exactly. They actually released the mic'd up from that, Tez, on the sideline, thinking the MVP was for him because we obviously heard the press conference where he said, man, I thought they told me it wasn't. We have the whole moment. He was not lying. He thought that was for him. And wait until you see the culture the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have on the sideline. It is very evident here. They can make it up for you to ball. That's it. What did I do? I'm like, but I didn't do that this season. They talking about MVP. I'm going to tell you all the funny story.

1:44:21This is crazy. When I score and I hear MVP chant.

1:44:29Bruce Arians:I'm thinking they talking about me. So I asked Shep. I'm like, Shep, they was chanting MVP? Yeah. he was like yeah I was like I didn't do nothing this year and he was like they talking about Baker to make the ball like well that explains it but he is MVP but you know what but you know what Now I'm mad at you. But look up. Mike, Mike. He said, when they was chanting, I said, MVP. What the have I done? I said, this. What did I do? I was about to start praising. You know I'm slow sometimes, bro. I was like, well, I didn't do nothing. It ain't talking about MVP. Shit, I don't talk about it. Now I was just messing with you.

1:45:17Now you going back to the old. See, now you going back to the old town. Hey, now you about to start going crazy. All you needed was a little bit of confidence. Now you're going to go this. You hear me? I promise you.

1:45:28Pat McAfee:Hey, that's a cool locker room right there. That is a fun locker room. That is a good vibe. Godwin losing his mind. He's not on the field. Remember when he's in Mike. I mean, that team is powerful whenever everybody's healthy. Emeka, they lost him in the second quarter. And Jalen McMillan hasn't played yet. So their top four receivers are not there. I like that Buccaneers team. I also like local sports talk. Who doesn't? I grew up in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a place that has a lot of local sports talk. I think it's like a super sports tiny thing to have the local sports talk. There's still places that it exists.

1:46:03Pat McAfee:Obviously, everybody thinks those days are old, and the talking heads that literally just yell into microphones for hours at a time for radio are days of the past. It's like, no, there's still a very loyal listener to sports radio, but also there is local sports talk that still is given the pulse of the fans. They're still giving the opinions of the fans. They're still asking the questions that need to be asked. And we have a Hall of Fame moment, fresh out of Cleveland, by Tony Rizza, who's about sick and tired of Myles Garrett taking$40 million a year and then complaining about the state of the Browns.

1:46:40Bruce Arians:I don't feel sorry for Myles Garrett. No, wait, I don't either. Stop with this crap. He's not a leader. He's a hired gun here for money. and he wanted to leave your city and your team. End of story. Am I wrong? No, Riz, you're exactly right. What goes through your mind? What goes through your mind? I don't know. Every Friday when the direct deposit goes into my checking account, that's what goes through my mind. If he's going to talk like this, Riz. The ass kissing of this guy is insane. Boy, are you getting the Tony Rizzo show today? Yes. You want Tony Rizzo today? Yeah. You're getting Tony Rizzo as if you were at my house.

1:47:20Rizzo, if Miles Garrett wanted out so bad, he should have stood by his demand and forced his way out. What goes through your mind? What goes through your mind? What? What are you talking about? Miles Garrett was a no-show yesterday. He never plays well against the Steelers.

1:47:38Bruce Arians:Rarely.

1:47:39Pat McAfee:Rarely. Stay in an ovation. Miles, where the hell were you yesterday? That's my question. Big pop late. What goes through your mind when their ears are pinned back and everybody's getting a bunch of sacks? I don't give a crap how many sacks Miles Garrett has. I'm not here for Miles Garrett. I want to win. That's all Tony Rizzo wants to do. I'll tell you what we all want because we got a chance to hear that. Love the laugh track, understanding ovation to himself. I don't know who's controlling that, the bald-headed guy asking the questions. To Tony Rizzo, we'd like to say massive respect to what you guys do, and we appreciate your fanhood and your passion.

1:48:11Pat McAfee:But that is a real sentiment, I assume, amongst Ohio people and Cleveland Browns fans. about their leadership, very similar to what was going on with Miami with Tua. Anytime you're losing and the people that are making the most amount of money are talking about stuff at the top, it's like you are the top, is what fans feel like, AJ. Yeah, I mean, you're never – like, if you want to get a sense of, you know, how the fans, how people feel about their team, go to the local people, whether it's college, pros, whatever. They're in there day in, day out, talking about their specific team, interviewing players.

1:48:40I'm sure there's – I'm sure Rizzo is not the only one in Ohio that feels this way. Now, we know you lose. Everybody can get it when you lose. And it's going to come for the guys that make the most money at first. And Miles Garrett understands that. I doubt this. I'm sure Miles Garrett's heard things like this in the past, and he's used to it being in Cleveland. But you win games, you're going to quiet a lot of this stuff down.

1:48:59Pat McAfee:Tony Rizzo might see himself in that graveyard for Halloween. I'm wearing Miles Garrett's. Which I heard he's getting actual marble this year with the new upgrade of the contract. That makes sense. Actual marble grave sites in his front yard of all the quarterbacks and Tony Rizzo potentially that he does every Halloween. You hear Tony Rizzo go like that. You've obviously been a coach for a long time. You've been in a lot of markets that sports talk matters. How much does that affect coaches? Because I think at this stage, players, Tony Rizzo just pops up as a TikTok, and then they probably just scroll right by it.

1:49:32Pat McAfee:This guy's crazy. Scroll right by it. But there was a time where sports talk, local sports talk, really mattered to teams, ownership, and everything they had going on. Oh, yeah, I had fired BruceArians.com in a couple cities. You knew of it, too? Oh, yeah. My whole family did? I said my wife and kids do. I didn't pay any attention, but you can't listen to that stuff. But I think it's great. Cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, they have a fervor of a fan base. And those guys, they love it. They're there every day. It means so much to them. They're doing bigger numbers than a lot of these podcasts out here.

1:50:07Pat McAfee:They think they're national podcasts. No doubt. In these cities. And I grew up in Pittsburgh, which is a sports talk place and a lot of shit talk place and everything like that. And so I didn't really know the New York sports talking head market, which I guess they all feel like they created and birthed and everything like that with Mike and the Mad Dog. That whole thing is I didn't know of them when I was growing up until back after this, started posting all the clips of this guy. And I'm like, wow, I wish I knew this guy existed my entire life. This would have been incredible. Good sports talk is hard to beat.

1:50:39Pat McAfee:It is legitimately hard to beat. Like Tony Rizzo right there, feed me that times 10. But also, I would like some other stuff in my life. Rizzo's living it and potentially dying it, and we need him to take care of himself.

1:50:53Bruce Arians:And that's the big thing. A guy like him, he has carte blanche to say whatever he wants. That guy is following the Browns day in, day out, and probably has been for, what, like the last 30 years? I mean, he's killing himself. You subject yourself, and he has to care. He's talking about that for six months out of his year, every single year for the last 30 years. The Browns! That's going to happen every once in a while. You're going to wake up and just be like, you know what? Fuck it. I hate all these guys. I hate this team. I hate this. I almost hate this city because of it, so I'm going to let everybody have it.

1:51:24Bruce Arians:It's their love of the city.

1:51:25Pat McAfee:It's Tony Rizzo's love of the city that drives them every single day, and we appreciate that from Paisan. I assume Tony Rizzo, and many like him around the city, not a lot of cities but many people around different cities they hate us we're the national people that say something tony rizzo and you got this ty shit guy what's his name the local people talking about the national people the best in the world shout out to the local folks we appreciate you shout out to sports being so damn magical uh and shout out to um the nfl delivering in a big way uh ratings up for everything college football right now hey humming look out for college ball we got about two minutes tone it's tuesday what are the college football stories that we need to look ahead to this weekend live from hammer dad yeah we got a another huge uh weekend of football

1:52:18Bruce Arians:games we had that huge one last weekend where there was 10 games of either ranked unranked or ranked versus an unranked team like that you know is is a really good football team like a georgia Auburn type matchup from last week. So this week, obviously, you guys are going to be between the hedges down in Georgia. That would be number nine, Georgia hosting Ole Miss, who is number five. That is a huge one down in the SEC. That one can be up for a playoff spot, arguably, at the end of the season. So that one's a huge one. Another ranked-on-ranked SEC matchup this weekend, Tennessee goes down to Bama, which is a great rivalry.

1:52:55Bruce Arians:That one will be a huge one. USC, Notre Dame, another rivalry. Hey, that one, USC wins. They could potentially be the fourth Big Ten team in the playoff. Notre Dame loses. They are out, I would assume, with the three losses to Miami, Texas A &M, and USC. I would assume Notre Dame is out, but who knows. And then the Holy War. Utah and BYU, another ranked-on-ranked matchup there for the Big 12, which will be a huge one towards the end of the season.

1:53:24Pat McAfee:And then what's the late-night game? Was there a nightcap happening this weekend?

1:53:26Bruce Arians:or was that um texas tech plays arizona state i do not know if um i'm blanking on his name uh quarterback for arizona state sam levitt thank you sam levitt is going to be back or not so that'll be huge implications on that one but if he is that one texas tech arizona state's a big one all right

1:53:41Pat McAfee:we appreciate you telling good work buddy all right we'll continue digitally as we hand you off i believe to sports center uh we think you're going to enjoy the hell out of their show they're going to crush it just absolutely crush it and we're going to continue with our shenanigans be a friend, tell a friend something nice. My change of life. Alright, I think I got it. Had about a minute 30 left there. Had to get to the out. Tossed that on tone late.

1:54:03Bruce Arians:I missed LSU and Vandy too. Iowa Penn State as well.

1:54:08Pat McAfee:Wow, Iowa Penn State matters so much less now.

1:54:11Bruce Arians:Under 20? Under 20 there, maybe? That's a good one.

1:54:17Pat McAfee:Speaking of UConn, you asked Dano if he knew Jeezy? Kia. It was in every locker room. I assume Jeezy was in every locker room. Now, granted, did Dan Orlovsky know that it was Jeezy? Like, when did he find out that the songs he was listening to was Jeezy? There was a bit of a dog back and forth. Was he? Wow, because there's a whole new Dan now. You know. As we all grow? Yeah, we're growing 40 now. Yeah, we're all old. Yeah, it was a long time ago, 25 years ago. He was, hey, he was like almost, what was he? He was on a magazine or something. He was covering Sports Illustrated. I mean, he was a Heisman candidate.

1:54:55Like 95 overall game.

1:54:58Pat McAfee:Dan Orlovsky needs a little bit more respect. Bit of a doubt. Because we all see one play from a Hall of Famer running wild and him running a little bit faster, just a little bit deeper than everybody else. Everybody forgets Dan Orlovsky could spin it. Dan Orlovsky was a football player. B.A., did you ever coach Dan Orlovsky? Never had the pleasure. I like how you said pleasure there at the end. That's one of those guys you look around and you say, I wish I could have coached that guy, right? Not so fast. Dan, you didn't deserve that. This was supposed to be a complimentary. Love you, Danny. I would have taught you where the back of that end zone was.

1:55:32Pat McAfee:Jesus. Dan. All right, let's get to a break on the other side. We'll wrap up all the storylines that we haven't hit. And B.A., I don't know if we need you to putt ever again. No, definitely not. I'm tired. So impressive. I literally just remember that as I looked over here and I saw the four balls and I was like, that was last week. It was unbelievable. Have you golfed since then? or have you missed the putt? I did not get out this week, no. So you still have not missed the putt? I have not missed the putt since then. I'm still thinking about bringing that putter out of the garage. He wouldn't take the putter.

1:56:04Pat McAfee:I tried to give him the putter. I'm like, hey, you've never missed with this putter. Just go ahead and take it. Nah, no. Puts it back. I'm like, how many putters have you been through? Ooh. What was the number?

1:56:15Bruce Arians:I had 36 in the late, but it's all close. He said since he has retired, he's went through like 90-some putters.

1:56:22Pat McAfee:He's been trying to find it, AJ. He's been trying to find the putter. It's like you found it, buddy. Yeah, I have that. You ever regret it, B.A.? You ever regret getting able to watch one and regret throwing it? Oh, yeah. I paid a kid 500 bucks going to Lake to get one. I really like that putter. I missed like a$500 three-foot putt. Oh, shit. I like that putter. That's$1 ,000 now all of a sudden because of this green. You said you have this putter already. I have that putter at home, yeah. But it's been benched. Okay, not drowned. No, no, it did not drown. You take your putter and you just dip it in the lake.

1:56:57Just give him a taste. Let him know. Warn him. This could happen today. Then you bench it. No, you play with that one. It usually makes a lot of putts that day. Then it basically gets benched. It's like a football player, Pat. We talk about it. You've got to be scared of your job. You've got to come in every day thinking, hey, I can be cut if I don't do this. I don't play well.

1:57:18Pat McAfee:So why did you bench it? It just didn't have a couple good showing days? Not enough to drown. I got a taste. that didn't react well. It's a bad horse. It's just a bad dog. I don't chip a lot. I putt a lot off the greens. That putter's hard to chip long putts with. It's much better that distance. So I found one I could do both with. Did you? I did. Shot my age twice with it. There you have it. Hey, when that thing gets ready to go to the bench, all reliable. I had it up in the air a couple weeks ago and my buddy goes, no, no, no, you like that one. Oh, I do. Put it back down. Everybody playing with you.

1:57:52Pat McAfee:hey, just, if you guys could help me around 13, 14, I really like this wedge. So if this thing doesn't act right, and you look like, if it looks like it's about to be gone forever, know that I would like to keep this thing. Yeah, one of the sister pros came by the other day, and that wedge broke its neck. Gave it in. You can give it to the kids, fix it, give it to the kids. That one ain't playing no more. That wedge broke its neck. Around your thigh? Around my knee. you ever throw your whole bag in the pond no my buddy didn't he had to jump in and get some itch I ain't going that far they're too expensive every club in here can certainly get drowned but not at the same time especially if I have a backup in the garage I usually have two of the same set just in case that's my jick that's my jick bag hashtag life hack hashtag golf hack from BA always get two sets of clubs because the first set of clubs might not act right, and they might have to get drowned.

1:58:52Pat McAfee:You've got to teach them a lesson. The bench is what Saban says. The bench used to be my best friend because the bench is irrelevancy. The bench is no legacy. The bench is everything. And then I think Saban says, no, they don't care about the bench. They just care about how much money they're getting paid. And if I put them on a bench, they're going to try to get out of here to go get another thing. What did you use? For you, I like that it works for your golf clubs. Inanimate objects have feelings too. They understand a little bit of pressure whenever they feel. All the rest of them act better when you break one of them.

1:59:20You waterboard one of them. The rest of them will be a separate line.

1:59:23Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Hopefully. He's 100 % serious. He's 100 % serious right now. I get it. I need to start being like you a little bit more on a golf course. I let these putters fucking live way too long. Oh, yeah. I always think the next time it's going to act right. It's not. Mm-mm. I played a member guess with my sandwich putt in the last two holes because I threw those subjects in the lake.

1:59:45And I made the putt with the sandwich. Of course you did.

1:59:49Pat McAfee:Tell your new putter for. That's what I'm starting to think. Well, I watch you with a putter do some magical things here, and then I watch you say, I don't want it, even though you've been trying to figure out your putter for a long time. Massive respect to you. Let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll do some more golf talk and wrap up all the stories. You're the greatest people on earth for allowing us to do this for a living. Here's a teaser, a trailer, if you will, for the newest episode of Rushmore on X. Ari Emanuel, Ben Persky are the hosts. They gather the legends of their industries to put together an official Mount Rushmore of different genres.

2:00:20Pat McAfee:This week is bands. Just any band. Doesn't have to be a rock band like Peter Schrager or other. Just bands in general. Solo acts that you thought were solo acts actually potentially a band and do get mentioned in this entire thing. It's a nice winding road throughout the history of rhythmic sound, if you will. and there's a band in the 70s that you'll learn about that is not getting any royalties for everything everybody's doing today and they certainly their family should be looking into it somehow there has there has to be something that rick rubin presents at a table jimmy ivine together these dudes have been a part of 450 albums and they sit down and chit chat about the history of music and the greatest bands it's well worth the watch i think it's 20 some minutes too very digestible and uh some magic was made we'll see on the other side be your friend tell a friend something nice it might change your life

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2:01:57Pat McAfee:hello beautiful people and welcome back to our humble the moon the thunderdome on this ba day october 14th 2025 hour three of the program begins now Football! Hit! See? That's on me. I was a false start in the second hour. I don't know if you saw it, AJ. I had to hit five push-ups because I dropped the interception. I jumped off sides. The rest of the boys were patient and understood what was going on. I forgot. And that's what can happen if you want to win games. You can't have pre-snap penalties. You got to be locked in. You got to be focused, especially whenever you have a legend giving out his cadence, which sounds like what?

2:02:35Pat McAfee:Hit! That's a good one. See that, AJ? That's from the gut. to get you a little bit excited. He's going to go on two one of these weeks. And maybe on three there's going to be an opportunity. We're all going to have to hold our goddamn water if we want to be worth anything in this business. That's A.J. Hawk. The Talks at Tables here at Boston Corner and that's Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. And live from Hammer Don! Don! Is the Hammer Don! Cowboy AP Tone. That a baby Tone. That a baby Tone. That a baby Tone. Hey, Pittsburgh Steelers, really good football team, Tone. Great football team.

2:03:06Pat McAfee:I love the outlook for the rest of the year. Do you believe in the Pittsburgh Steelers after watching them? What Aaron Rodgers is doing? We talked about it at the very beginning. Six offensive linemen, basically, especially with you. The addition of Mott Washington, Darnell in there. Feels like they have prioritized protecting Aaron, and then let's figure out what we can do off of that. Smart play by them, and what are your thoughts on their actual run capabilities to a Super Bowl? Yeah, they're growing on me. I didn't like them that much early in the year, but I really like Arthur Smith and what he's doing offensively.

2:03:33I think he's doing a hell of a job, and they went out and got all those guys on defense. So, I mean, they should run away with this division right now. Watch out for Joe Flacco.

2:03:41Pat McAfee:Okay. Now, there's obviously a lot of watching out for Joe Flacco with the Cincinnati Bengals, and, you know, the Ravens are in the middle of their own problems. Lamar Jackson going to get back after the bye week. Cleveland Browns have Tony Russo certainly up in arms up there, so that's certainly a story in and of itself. Feels like the AFC North, even last week as the Ravens were still the odds-on favorite to win the AFC North, has been the Steelers for a few weeks. It's like, okay, the Steelers probably going to win this AFC North feels like they have a good road to making that happen. Offensively though, Artie Smith and Aaron, have you seen any successful or explosive offenses that have had an extra man of protection in there?

2:04:17Pat McAfee:Because every human is vital. Whenever you're talking about spread out offenses, they have as many offenses, weapons as possible split out. Only five offense alignments. So everybody else is basically being utilized as an offensive threat. Whenever you bring somebody in and their focus is completely on protection, you're not taken away from one of your weapons. There's only 11 people on the field. How many people on the line? Off the line? How many people on the line of scrimmage? Whatever the case. The opportunity to be a good offense in 2025 is much less whenever you have to worry about adding another body into protection.

2:04:50Pat McAfee:It's like having a heavy box on the defensive side and still being able to protect the long ball. Are they going to be able to navigate that and make explosives? Because it feels like they're doing it right now, and it feels like they're only starting to start design things out of this extra body protection package. Yeah, I think you see it. Same with Chicago. It starts with the running game. You know, they got a big offensive line, big tight end. Run the football. Aaron's doing the bootlegs. And that's how you push the ball down the field. A lot of times we would use an offensive tackle. You know, because our tight end can block a good pass rusher.

2:05:18I think the worst thing in the world is when your tackle slides down, your tight end's trying to block the best pass rusher. That's bad ball. That's bad ball. So they got a tackle playing tight end. Who can catch the ball? And they still have fire move. So they're doing a lot of 12. And I think Artie Smith, to me, He has always been one of the best running coordinators in the league in that play-action game. Now, drop back and throw? Not so fast.

2:05:40Pat McAfee:Already hasn't been yourself. No, I don't think they can protect. Okay, they have stayed away from it completely. They got him moving. They got this. They got a little bit of action. It feels like they got a lot of dressing. You're saying not sustainable to be able to do that for every play? It's a first and second down offense, and they're doing a good job of staying ahead of the chains, keeping third down and short yardage stuff, and get the ball out of Aaron's hand quick. Now, if they get into one of these games where they've got to throw it 30 or 40 times, drop it straight back, I don't like it.

2:06:07Pat McAfee:Okay, on that note, DK Metcalf has been there for them. They paid him$30 million in the offseason. He has some explosive plays for that offense as well. Adds a dynamic that the Steelers haven't had since the killer bees were out there. And you can add in... Mapletron? Yeah, yeah.

2:06:21Bruce Arians:Well, no, not Mapletron. He did a 10 touchdown.

2:06:25Pat McAfee:Mapletron was unbelievable. Okay, and I'm not... But Martavis Bryant, is that his... when Martavis Bryant was out there. The actual, yeah, his nickname was Alien. When it was him and Tony O 'Brien and then Le 'Veon Bell and then Ben Roethlisberger and they were doing their thing. I mean, that was a juggernaut of who the hell are you going to try to stop on this day? But with what they've been doing with DK coming in, he's hit the ground running for them, being clearly number one for them. Yeah, and he's doing it differently. B.A. talked about the run game, you got to have the run game. And they run it like just good enough to where you have to respect it.

2:06:58But DK, I think last year he may have led the league in big plays where the ball traveled more than 20 yards in the air. And this year I don't think he has one, but he's getting the ball quick and then making those short catches turn into long games because he is still that explosive player. Now as the season evolves and you get towards the playoffs and stuff, coordinators will kind of clamp down on that, so you're going to have to do something differently. But Aaron is spinning it. We know he'll be able to spin it forever. and he looks fully healthy to where he's a threat outside of that pocket, and that's always tough on the defense.

2:07:30Pat McAfee:D-Bot just said something good there. Hey, whenever we get later in the season there, defense coordinators will be able to clamp down on some of these things. Do you think there's enough weapons on that offense for them to have success in the playoffs, AJ? And what are your thoughts on how Aaron is playing right now? Feels like it's a nice resurgence for this guy. He's moving. He looks quick. He looks swift, and he's spinning it all over the place. There was one underthrow that he had in the first half of this game against Cleveland, 2DK. Didn't make it to him. It was a bad scene. A lot of people praying on that moment.

2:07:58Pat McAfee:The guy lost it, the guy lost it, the guy lost it. Then later in the game, need one to DK. Let me go ahead and put this thing in a bucket. Arm talent always going to be there, rarely misses. Do you think that he's playing his best ball, and how do you think he feels about it all? I think he's playing great, but I think he can play even better. I think as the season goes, he gets even more and more healthy. His legs are even under him. His Achilles gets better and better. I think he honestly is going to play better. But as the season goes, we know once it starts getting cold, you've got that terrible field out there.

2:08:27You're going to have to run the ball. You know that. Play action is going to be huge. And I just think seeing Aaron outside the pocket like this, it's a great sign for all of us, and especially Pittsburgh fans, because you know he's got to be feeling good. And I love how they get the ball. Watch when DK gets the ball and he starts running full speed. Who is going to tackle this guy? He looks like an absolute terminator running down the field. It's just so fun to watch. So, yeah, I think they have a great thing going. and they'll be able to evolve and change, make little tweaks as the season goes as well.

2:08:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, the high knee runners, you know, just as somebody that didn't have to tackle on every play, just on kickoffs, the returners that had violent knees when they were running were certainly ones that I did not enjoy, you know, because you're potentially catching a couple of those whenever they're running. You're out cold. You're out cold. He gets right in the tempo of the forehead. You're out cold, and he's scoring touchdowns. Yeah, and there's a lot of power coming through that thing. You know, and DK is maybe the most powerful, that style of running. Dez ran angry. Antonio Brown ran very angry.

2:09:27Pat McAfee:Brandon Marshall had big high knee whenever he was running. Anquan Bolden. Oh, yeah.

2:09:32Bruce Arians:Yeah, his whole body.

2:09:33Pat McAfee:I mean, Anquan Bolden was his whole body. Peyton Hillis. Those knees get going like this, though. AJ, that's your life, I guess. Adrian Peterson. You ever watch Adrian Peterson in the open field? Oh, yeah. Good luck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Frank Gore hitting the hole. Frank the tank. Oh, gosh. Sean Alexander. It's AJ Hawks. Frank Gore's head. Frank Gore's head is so hard. I have so much respect for him. How about Frank Gore just being like, yeah, man, I enjoy just working my absolute ass off. So after my Hall of Fame running back career, throughout the hardest phase of running backs at the time, I'm getting directly into full-time boxing.

2:10:11Pat McAfee:I'm in a gym three hours every day just getting my ass beat and doing this entire thing. And then he gets into a fight, knocks a guy out. I don't know what fight it was for him. Knocks this dude out, doesn't even care, just walks right back to his corner. Just go ahead and stand there, and then he's like, all right, I'm going to keep it moving. Frank Gore, locked in, going ahead. He's one of the greatest. He's still training like that, right now. Right now. Right now, I saw Jonathan Taylor on the Downs, Josh Downs and Caleb Downs, they have a podcast, and he was on there, and they asked him something about his footwork.

2:10:42He was saying he still trains at the place, and he's like, Frank Gore's still getting after it. I trained in the same spot. Frank Gore taught me how to be a pro, just watching, like watching Frank Gore, watching Fred Taylor, watching MJD. Like it was a whole – Thomas Jones, like that whole group, like how they used to push each other, how they used to just talk shit. You know Frank. Frank's going to talk shit to everybody. I remember. Yeah, I'll run your ass over and just keep on moving. So like he – like the work that he puts in the offseason, what these players do, everybody has their own shit.

2:11:12But Frank Gore is kind of like the standard.

2:11:14Pat McAfee:Yeah, I enjoyed whenever he was a Colt. So he picked us over. I forget somebody else. and we were just, I was pumped to have him because OG heard the legendary stories about him. And then you sit down and talk with him. Hilarious. One of the greatest teammates. Boy, his pads, the way he went about doing football was the best. And then he showed up at off-season workouts and I forget which strength coach it was. We went through a bevy of strength coaches there for a little bit. And he wanted to do some game, some running game, something. And the guy was basically implying like Frank should go first because he's a leader.

2:11:49Pat McAfee:And Frank gave him a, nah, I'm okay. And didn't do it. Okay. And then I think there were some people that didn't know Frank. They were like, is he not in shape or whatever? It's like, no, no. Frank is in better shape than everybody in here. He's just not doing this bullshit right here at this exact moment. He wasn't the only one. He was, he was beloved by our locker room. Oh yeah. And by the equipment staff and by the trainers. What an OG, man.

2:12:13Bruce Arians:One of the perfect NFL players just as a whole. It feels like everywhere he went, everybody was like this guy. Yeah. Yeah.

2:12:19Pat McAfee:Here's him boxing. This is exactly the video I saw. We don't know who this is. Yep, let me go ahead and get you. And then, all right. Jesus. Just walks away. All right. Sweet. Yeah, it's over. Thanks. See you guys. Thanks. All right, dude.

2:12:33Bruce Arians:You imagine being that guy and just, like, getting into a fight and thinking, like, oh, I'll probably just have, you know, like, some guy from a local gym. Like, actually, you're going to be fighting Frank Gore, unfortunately.

2:12:43Pat McAfee:He was trying to wear no pads while playing in the NFL during the CTE era. He was trying to wear zero pads while he was out there because he just didn't like it. The shoes, him changing his shoes, he was –

2:12:54Bruce Arians:He never got hurt, right? So I got hurt in college. I think I got hurt in college. ACL in college, right? ACL, I think. And that's why he dropped.

2:13:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, and I think there was something said, and then it was like, oh, is that right? And then that was whenever there was a line of Miami running backs.

2:13:09Bruce Arians:Yeah, it was like him, Portis, McGahee. Edge. Edge in there, like all of them.

2:13:13Pat McAfee:And if I recall the story going right, I forget who told it. somebody told the story it might have been frank ah might have been somebody telling frank story it was like whenever it was his time to go he was like there wasn't like a pressure about being a miami running back it was like a mindset like oh yeah i'm gonna be the next one that's gonna go kill everybody yeah because all the miami running backs were just killing everybody as soon as they got in there so there was like an excitement out of that running back room to get to the nfl because like oh we're gonna this is cake we're literally watching everybody do it but they had a method a blueprint, which was work your fucking ass off, outwork everybody, and then you're obviously going to have to be tough.

2:13:49Pat McAfee:They were special. Those U-days were special. Not that they're not now, but I'm just saying they were special talent. I go all the way back to Alonzo Highsmith and Melvin Bratton. I mean, I was recruiting Melvin way back when. They've had running backs forever and quarterbacks. How about them being back? How do you feel about the U being back? Oh, they're back. Obviously not good for Virginia Tech down there. Yeah, Mario's got it really going, and he's a great recruiter. I think they're going to kill it in Florida again like they always have, especially South Florida. Let's go. That's where most of the best players are.

2:14:19Pat McAfee:Do you think Virginia Tech's going to try to hire Mario Cristobal out of Miami? No shot. Do you guys want to make an announcement? No shot. Okay, there is a coach that's potentially available at this moment for you at Virginia Tech, you and your crew, that are going to be hiring the next head coach down there. $229 million being added in the athletics down there at Virginia Tech over the next five years, I do believe. So they are committed to sports and committed to ball. I'll be excited to see you. James Franklin is now available for hire and allegedly due to a contract of some sort. He is to pursue a job in media or coaching because any contract that he gets anywhere will offset what Penn State owes him, which is allegedly$49 million.

2:14:59Pat McAfee:Now, the details of every contract I don't think is ever fully public, but the general consensus of it seems to be out there and accurate. So they're looking for him to try to offset what they have to pay him. he obviously can say go into these interviews and say i live in my mom's basement now i actually poop my pants every day uh so i can't even i don't even know what football is i actually don't love the sport anymore you don't want to give me the job damn it all right thanks for the opportunity media interview every once in a while my voice just stops working so i don't think i'm good for media i'm so sorry all right you guys don't want to hire me got it he can do that i guess and he should that's probably not in good faith yeah he's not in good faith but he could certainly somehow angle away and saying i just told them my truth at the time i thought i was a good interview so he is going to be in the field again we assume he loves coaching too i think he loves building relationships he's going to be out there whenever you guys are looking for a coach or whenever a team is looking for a coach somebody that's fired in a way that james franklin is is that good for his next job or do you think bad for his next job wherever he hit especially in 2025 25.

2:16:07Yeah, I don't think it's good to ever be fired in midseason like that, but when you look at his track record, he's done a hell of a job at Vanderbilt, Penn State, everywhere he's ever been, so he'll get a job, that's for sure.

2:16:18Pat McAfee:He's 12 years in, they've had success. Now, a lot of people burying him for not winning a national championship or, I think, even a Big Ten, you know, so I think that is certainly a part of the conversation, but they're in Ohio State's world. They're in Michigan's world, and how many Big Ten championship appearances do they have? Well, they weren't in the easy conference. They were in the other one. They weren't in the Iowa Hawkeyes.

2:16:44Bruce Arians:Leaders and legends are both very tough sides of the Big Ten here.

2:16:47Pat McAfee:One of them has Ohio State and Michigan in them, and the other side does not. That was certainly something. Whenever you look at the history and accolades and titles and awards, it's obviously going to be up against the two that have been running the entire conference literally in regular season and everything like that. but he turned that place around 70 person operation i mean it is a huge operation up there that he has obviously been at the forefront of since the beginning so he knows how to run the modern college football now on that note you're pretty dialed in i guess because you're a part of this uh advisory council that would be hiring a new head coach how much of hiring a head coach for you guys you had to come out and say 229 million penn state is a job seemingly that has access to everything no matter what amount of money you need we got it no matter what facility you need or ask you want for your building you got it they have all the access to everything because their alumni and their donors they're all in on wanting to become Michigan or Ohio State they want that bad especially for football so whenever you think about that type of job being available is everybody on the table because Heather didn't yesterday okay who we are fans of and I guess I didn't hear it as clearly whenever she said it in real time and I might have just overlooked it 100 % on me.

2:18:02Pat McAfee:AJ, you heard it. She was like, is Ryan Day happy at Ohio State at the end of the season? And AJ, you gave a great look. I watched the video back. I didn't even hear. I think I was just...

2:18:11Bruce Arians:I stepped on her a little bit while she was like rattling off coaches.

2:18:14Pat McAfee:I might have been somewhere else. I didn't hear it in the moment. I listened to it back afterwards, obviously, because it was a big conversation. I'm like, holy shit. That would have been a huge piece of news for me to react to because is that the reality in this world that we're in right now where if you have everything you can pitch anybody players at any moment you can pitch coaches you can pitch at any time ryan day leaving penn state not a reality i'm gonna say that no aj is gonna say that i think heather dinich if she was told hey your life ends if you get this wrong is ryan day ever is gonna leave ohio state to go to penn she would say no because what is she was just trying to make the metaphor though like everything's on a table for penn state do you think that's an accurate work for the world that we're living in right now and how do you feel about that as the totally i think james franklin raised the level of expectation at penn state and what he did he took him to that that precipice couldn't quite get there and it cost him his job but uh he did a hell of a job to get him there and everything they got going on at penn state yeah it's one of the top five jobs in the country.

2:19:17Pat McAfee:Okay, top five jobs in the country. How many people are going to be available? Tone, how many coaches have been fired already? Five?

2:19:23Bruce Arians:Yeah, I was going to say five, six, seven, because there was three this weekend. Oh. Yeah, Trent Bray from Oregon State, Trent Dilfer from UAB, and then James Franklin from Penn State. So there was three this weekend. Somewhere between like five and eight-ish, I believe, at this point.

2:19:38Pat McAfee:Trent Dilfer was good to our show. He also created the anti-COVID spread. Hell yeah. Which worked. Still doesn't get talked about.

2:19:45Bruce Arians:Lipscomb Academy, they had the lowest COVID cases in the country.

2:19:51Pat McAfee:Won a state championship because of it. He was talking to us because he's been very kind to us whenever he was at Lipscomb Academy. The Mustangs down there in Nashville, he's a coach. And he goes to UAB, he's very kind to us. Trent Dillard's been very kind to us. We've seen everything that's been on camera as him as a coach and also his record as a coach and everything that he said as a coach. You know, UAB actually came to a press conference and said, this ain't like Alabama. So, you know, what are we even talking about here? to his own fans and his own media. That's not going to end up working out.

2:20:16Pat McAfee:He tells the truth too much. Speaking of the truth, he told me he was on the show one time. He grabbed a bottle. You see, look at this. This spray right here. It kills COVID. I spray it on every locker. I spray it on every seat. There's no COVID. Right here. Shortly after that, there was car wash machines that people were putting on doors. You remember that? Yeah, Broncos. Broncos walked through on the way to practice. I remember that. That's his shit. I think that was his shit. I think it was. Wow. He's going to focus fully. Well, I guess now we don't have much use for it now. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

2:20:45Pat McAfee:Let's hope not. Okay, let's not be. Keep it on ice. Yeah, let's keep it on ice. That's right. I spoke too soon, yeah. And we don't need anybody, especially if this COVID spray works, which I don't think everybody bought into it this last time. But if this spray does work, let's make sure we don't call it like horse pace going forward. Let's make sure we don't just. Human pace. Yeah, let's not make it look so bad if it actually does work the next time that we have that going on. but let's certainly keep it in the back pocket. Let's certainly keep that in the back pocket. There was a stat about Josh Allen since before COVID, his lowest QBR since before COVID.

2:21:20Pat McAfee:Think about how long ago that feels, COVID, and then think about how long Josh Allen's been in the league. Think about how great he has become, and then think about what happened to them last night. Is McDermott going to be okay? They lose two in a row for like the third season straight or something like that. I forget, I saw the stat, maybe third straight season where they lose back-to-back games. It's always loud with McDermott, AJ. He's got to win a Super Bowl? Is that kind of what it is now at this point? He's got to make a run. He's got to make a deep run, and they've got to look good doing it, I think.

2:21:48I mean, geez, it's crazy to think with how good the Bills are. Like I said earlier in the season, I think the Bills are going to the Super Bowl. I really do. I don't know if I'm as confident now as I was before. I think they need to get healthy for sure, but I definitely trust Josh Allen. I really do.

2:22:02Pat McAfee:Got to be able to stop the run. In this firing of coaches' season that we're in all of a sudden, it's been getting pretty loud. the advisor consultant role. Like, let's say a coach gets fired from a Big Ten school, then an NFL team wants him to come over and maybe consult. Robert Sala gets fired from the Jets. He's at the Green Bay Packers two days later being a consultant for Matt LaFleur's team. Are you guys, like, how does that work out? Do they reach out to you guys? Do you reach out to them whenever you see they're fired? Offer up a role? Do you want to be in ball? Hey, we got an opportunity.

2:22:33Pat McAfee:How do those things kind of come together? Yeah, I think agents have a lot to do with it. And especially if you've been together before, it's an easy phone call. Hey, you want to come help us? You want to go sit at home? And it's like, yeah, I'll come help you. You know, just stay in the game. What are they actually doing? Like, what did Salah do, you think, whenever he was out there with the Packers? I assume it was something.

2:22:56Bruce Arians:His title was like he was like an offensive analyst, pretty much. Frabel out in Cleveland last year? Nope. Defensive.

2:23:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, what are they doing? Are they just assisting? I think they're coming in looking at what you're doing, breaking down the next opponent, helping you game plan a week ahead of time, and cuts down the hours on some of the guys, especially if you trust them. Well, you're going to get into the consulting world here, right? I already am, but nobody listens. Amen. They don't need to either. They're doing too good. But when you're in the consulting, what is it like, hey, this is what you should be thinking for this particular game in my eyes? I think if you're offensive, defensive analyst, yes. if in my role it's just talking to the GM, talking to the head coach about the next one and how the hell we going to get these guys healthy.

2:23:44Pat McAfee:How is that? Do you enjoy this role or no? Oh, yeah, it's easy. It's really easy. And two of my best friends. Get a chance to still feel like you're a part of it too, right? What a magical year it is. It really is so far. I mean, get those receivers back and get the right tackle, right guard back. Well, the right guard not coming back, but get the right tackle back. That's a lot of firepower that Tampa Bay Buccaneers team has. Oh, yeah. I don't think anybody was thinking the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super Bowl. You know, because everybody was on Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC. Everybody was like, Philadelphia Eagles are going to return and be their thing.

2:24:14Pat McAfee:They obviously still have very much a winning record, but everybody's starting to get some. Then you watch this Buccaneers team. They're 5-1 at the moment. Then they put out what a predictive super wildcard weekend seating would look like. And you've got two teams at the top of this thing that nobody could have predicted. You've got the Colts, number one seeded AFC, of course. Just like we've been saying, AJ. For a long time. Just like we've been saying. Day one. And you got the Buccaneers is the number one seed in the NFC. It's like going into the season. No way would anybody be predicting this after week six.

2:24:44Pat McAfee:So you got something special brewing down there just like we have. And then you look at the teams that are still in. And then the teams that are missing. Congrats to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Hell yeah. Love what they're doing. Then you look at some of those teams that have a lot of injuries. It's like they're here now. Will they be around here in about two weeks, three weeks? We shall see.

2:25:00Bruce Arians:Yeah, it's crazy just looking at the wildcard team for the NFC. Like, all three of those guys were, what, the top three teams when it came to odds to win the Super Bowl at the beginning of the season, and now they're not even, you know, the top of their own division. Or I guess the Packers probably weren't just because people were still high on the Lions, but still, like, it's just insane how much, you know, toss-up there is. And then look at the one team that's missing and the one team that's on there, the Vikings without Darnold and Darnold with the Seahawks. Now it's just, it's insane. Yeah, the NFC West has a lot of representation in the playoffs.

2:25:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, three out of the four teams is great. Cardinals. Man, Jacoby was spinning. He was. He was. Buda Baker, getting to watch him play football. Oh, baby. You guys had a great interaction. That's so much fun. Watching Buda Baker play football is a lot of fun. I assume that's what Cardinals people think. You obviously coached him out there. We're just a phenomenal football player. Whenever we talk about people that we would like, Max Crosby. We love Max Crosby. It'd be cool to see him. Buda Baker. It'd be cool to see him again, you know, at a contender. They had a pick. They come down and celebrate in front of the suite.

2:26:07Pat McAfee:Then they jog down and talk their shit amongst everybody. Buda Baker turns around, points directly at me. Jogs away. It's like, yes, I love everything about that. We got a turnover two plays later. FYI. FYI, our defense said, excuse me. Okay, that's cute. Let's go ahead and do that, and let's run it back. But watching him play football is fun. And Arizona, such a beautiful place. Obviously, you've had success there and coached there. They're the only team in the NFC West that's like no chance of making it feel safe. Yeah, I think they lost three games in the last play. Yes. And they just can't quite get over that hump.

2:26:39But Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be special, man. He's come out of it now. He's coming out of that little funk he had. But Jacoby Brissett has played great wherever he's been.

2:26:48Pat McAfee:I agree. Started here with the Indianapolis Colts. He was the one calling the team meetings whenever he was the backup quarterback. Remember, Andrew Luck was the starting quarterback. Jacoby was backup. Jacoby was the one calling certain meetings and leading, I guess, in some of it. Always been respected. Always been appreciated behind the scenes. He's one of those journeyman backups. And I think the Colts probably, if they didn't say it, I think there was a little bit of, like, hey, we'd rather not. With Kyler, we understand what we got. I think Shane Steichen and Gannon obviously know each other very well, but that changes for things.

2:27:21Pat McAfee:Jacoby going in there in his first game, Nice breath of fresh air. Used to play here. Let it loose. Really nothing to lose. That's when these backups are most dangerous. That first game. When it's like wheeling, dealing, get a chance, opportunity. I've been on the sideline for so long. It's my time. Let's go ahead and do this. They know enough to get their shit by. They're good enough, obviously, to still be in the league that they're at. That's a dangerous scenario. And I thought Jacoby was going to do it. I thought we were going to lose that game. Little did I know this is in the brand new Colts.

2:27:47Pat McAfee:This is number one overall seed. Indianapolis Colts. And thank God, AJ, for that. Yeah, thank God for that. I mean, yeah, the Colts definitely stepped up. But you're right, every time, like Jacoby, when I see him playing, he gives me confidence that his team can win almost every time. He just looks, whatever it is, when he's sitting in the pocket and he lets it rip, he just looks confident, looks like he knows what he wants to do and he's not out there guessing. Like he just seems, I don't know, he could definitely start for some teams in the league, I think. Yeah, we say that about a bunch of backups.

2:28:15Pat McAfee:And then we see some teams and they have the worst backups of all time. And then you hear Tom Moore's quote about backup quarterbacks. It's like, we're preparing with Peyton Manning. If we lose Peyton Manning, we're fucked, and we don't practice fucked. That's it. But now you need backup. You need a backup quarterback. Not that Arizona does. Jacoby, obviously very good. It doesn't matter. They're not going to. Come on, Arizona, dude. That place is awesome. I would like, who knows where I end up, wife, family, and I end up retiring. Arizona is certainly on the list of places we're headed. It'd be great if they were incredible at football.

2:28:53Pat McAfee:Yeah. It would be really cool if they got even better at football. They can, right, you think? They were rocking. Our last three years, they were rocking. That stadium was fun to be in. Where'd you live out there? I lived in Chandler down in the South Valley. Oh. So cool, Chandler. How's golf out there? That's the best golf play? Some of the best. If you like desert golf. Whisper Rock is one of the most special places in the world. What's desert golf? Just flat? Desert and green. Got it. Normally bigger fairways or smaller fairways? Each course is so different, and they're all unique. They have so many.

2:29:27They have more golf courses than McDonald's. It's one of the Chamber of Commerce things.

2:29:31Pat McAfee:Wow. In Arizona? In Scottsdale and that whole area, Maricopa County. Okay, so lake golf, desert golf, beach golf. What else? Lake for me, and then desert. And then what other styles are there? There's beach, there's obviously farm, golf. I think northern tree-lined. Firestone, to me, is one of the iconic places. Hilly? Hilly. Elevation, for sure. Okay, that's a style of golf course. Yeah, and then Augusta is the hilliest of all, and the prettiest of all. How'd you play there? Pretty good? Not too bad. Not too bad. How were you? Did you have dinner there? I had lunch, but it was fun. It was a great experience.

2:30:12Pat McAfee:Have a couple cocktails out there? Of course. Did you drown any putters out there? No, not at Augusta. That would be awesome. You should think about it if you ever get to play there. Just to say you did down there in the corner, maybe put one in the woods. Go get it, pal. The craziest thing I saw this year was a guy taking a leak in the creek. At Augusta? Brother, act right. Baseball happened in a big way last night. Obviously, football is happening, so we can't watch. Actually had a quad box on. Sure. Had both Monday Night Football games on. Had a baseball game on up there, which I believe was the Dodgers-Brewers.

2:30:47Pat McAfee:Had that thing top corner. And then there was a reality show of some sort that was playing down here. Okay, that was the quad box as well. I think it was on Fox. Some sort of reality show. I don't know what it was. It was an option in there. Didn't find myself looking at the baseball corner one time. And I didn't like it. I want to let you know, I did not like it. And I guess there was multiple games on, so I should have maybe got rid of the reality competition show that was in the other one.

2:31:09Bruce Arians:Murder's Blue Jays was during the day.

2:31:10Pat McAfee:Okay, so that was not on last night. So I enjoyed the multiple sports happening at the same time, but what I realized is it's going to be hard for me to pay attention to anything that isn't at the NFL if they're going against the NFL. So if you could please let me know what the hell happened, I think not only myself, a lot of people would be – right, Bruce? I don't want to talk for you. Oh, yeah. A lot of football people I think would be thankful if you kept us updated on what the hell happened in baseball.

2:31:30Bruce Arians:I also had it in the multi-box. I didn't have it in the quad box. It's impossible to do with a baseball game because you really just – Can't see anything. Yeah, exactly. So it's very difficult. But, yeah, Brewers and Dodgers last night. First or early in the game here, there's a deep fly ball to center field from Max Muncy. Bases are loaded. I mean, just absolute chaos. This is the first time this has ever happened. Sal Freelich goes up. He thinks he maybe caught it. It bounces off the wall. He throws it into the relay. And that's a force out at home plate from a guy who was on third base because there is just mass pandemonium.

2:32:07Bruce Arians:and then Wilson Contreras realizes they don't know what the hell's going on. I'm going to run down to third base and step on this. That's an inning-ending double play. In the scorebook, it went down as a 8-6-2 ground into a double play. He almost hit a grand slam, but technically it's ruled as a – he grounded into a double play because you can see there. Ball comes loose. Once it hits the wall, it is a live ball. And Teoscar Hernandez at third base kind of just didn't know what the hell was going on, lost it. Throw to home plate, beats him home. That's a force out, and then the catcher has the wherewithal to run down to third base and step on the base, and boom, don't play NZN.

2:32:45Pat McAfee:That's Brewer's baseball, though, right? Yeah. Being smart, everybody. Outfielder had no idea what the hell was going on, though, looked like in his face. He's very intense. That guy had a Dan Lanning about him a little bit. Sal Freelich? Yeah, big time. This was very intense. I mean, once he loses the hat here, he really dials it. If it hits the yellow, it's not a home run? So it bounced off.

2:33:01Bruce Arians:He didn't actually catch it. It came out of his glove and then hit the wall. But if that hits the yellow, not a home run? It's got to be over it. Like, the yellow part, you know, and that's one of those things where, like, if you're a Dodgers fan, you're bitching because you're saying, hey, that touched the yellow line. That's a grand slam. But technically it has to hit, like, a certain part of it to actually be a homer. So he keeps it in the field play, you know, bobbles it. Guy at third base has no idea. He just assumes he caught it. So he's going to tag up and then run back. So that was just, like, a big clusterfuck.

2:33:30Bruce Arians:But didn't matter. Dodgers a little bit later. That was the first time ever? Yeah, first ever 8-6-2 double play in the playoffs. I mean, that shit never happens. It may never happen again.

2:33:41Pat McAfee:Man, we witnessed. We didn't witness. We learned about history happening while we were alive last night. 8-6-2 double play, AJ. Eight center fielder. Yeah. Okay, because the way it goes around, obviously, you got one who's the catcher. One who's the pitcher. Yep. Then two's the catcher. Yep. And then three is actually four. Then four is five. and then you got six out there, seven's Roman in the left field, eight's center field, and then nine's right field. Boom. Nailed it. Wow. What is

2:34:11Bruce Arians:third base? Three. Third base is, no, three is first base and four is second and then you go over to six is third base and then. Because five shortstop? Yeah. Or no, other way around. Six is

2:34:22Pat McAfee:up here and then five's down the corner. Third base is five. Okay, so one is pitcher. Yes. Two is catcher. Three first base. Right. Four second base. Correct. Five third base. Correct. Six shortstop. Yes. Seven left field. Yep. Eight center field. Yep. Nine right field. Boom. I'm a classic nine. Yeah, exactly. Because I played for the Washington Wallet thing. You did. Yeah, I got the ball a couple times. You know, if you're playing a lefty dominant team, they'll pull that thing to you. You know, you gotta make some plays, make some grabs. Well, that's the thing. There was a couple guys that were lefties, but they fucking took that thing dead center.

2:34:56Pat McAfee:Just still going against our pitcher. He had a rough night, but he's good guy, so we won't judge him. But the 8-6-2 double play, certainly something I'd never seen before. Baseball's been around a long time. Long time. A lot of stats in the history of baseball. A lot of number combinations. Crazy that that happened. So, that means the Milwaukee Brewers were blessed by the baseball gods. They got a big time win because they accomplished something that never happened before?

2:35:19Bruce Arians:Not so much. Blessed by the baseball gods for sure, but Freddie Freeman, who is just a monster in the playoffs, basically said, I don't give a shit. And he hit a solo bomb. This is a very low-scoring game. I kind of, you know, the Brewers needed to score immediately after that happened when you have that much good juju on your side. They didn't. Freddie Freeman hits a homer, and then later they walk Mookie Betts with the bases loaded. So, you know, just not good. Not good. You're going to be down 2-1, and then the Brewers still had an opportunity. Bottom of the ninth, bases loaded. Bryce Terang, unfortunately, strikes out on a high fastball.

2:35:54Bruce Arians:Oh, my gosh. This was right before there was an inside pitch that almost hit him. Almost got hit. He avoided it, and everyone's kind of saying the day after, hey, you got to wear that one. Got to wear that one. Oh, that one would do. Because that would have scored a run. That would have tied it. Oh, no. And then he goes down swinging on a ball?

2:36:09Pat McAfee:Yeah. Next pitch.

2:36:10Bruce Arians:Yep.

2:36:11Pat McAfee:Oh, no.

2:36:14Bruce Arians:Grand slammy potential. Could have just needed a base hit. Base hit would have won it.

2:36:19Pat McAfee:Oh, no. Tough goal for that guy. What's his name? Bryce Terang. Terang, we need you back, bud.

2:36:26Bruce Arians:Cool name. He'll be okay. He had a big homer against the Cubs, so he's still got a little good juju. Tarang's a dog. He is. He needs to remember that. Yeah, Brewers must win tonight. They play tonight. God, they play all the time. Yeah. Don't they just play all the time? Seven-game series, got to get it in. I love that.

2:36:45Pat McAfee:Pat Murphy's team's ready to do it. Any other games happening yesterday?

2:36:48Bruce Arians:Yeah, and then the Mariners and the Blue Jays played yesterday afternoon, first inning, Julio Rodriguez, three-run homer for the Mariners. I tell you what, the Mariners have kind of just come into Toronto and said, we don't give a shite. We got Big Dumper and a lot of other guys that can hit the baseball out of the ballpark, and that's what they did. Trey Yosavage, the guy who killed the Yankees, was pitching, and then Louis Varland, who also killed the Yankees a little bit, gives up a homer to Jorge Polanco. This is his eighth RBI in seven games in the playoffs. And then Josh Naylor, for good measure, goes yard.

2:37:22Bruce Arians:Are they all built the exact same?

2:37:24Pat McAfee:They look like five Cal Raleigh's right there. Did that not look like there was like six Cal Raleys on the team? I didn't know they had a right-handed Cal Raleigh, too.

2:37:32Bruce Arians:Naylor, for sure, is an absolute tank playing first base. He's a big sum of a bitch. He talks a lot of shit, too. So him getting going is huge. But Mariners steal two in Toronto, and now they're going back to Seattle. And there's a chance they might sweep them. I don't know. Blue Jays are very good. But, boy, this is the worst-case scenario for them.

2:37:51Pat McAfee:So they were in Toronto yesterday, so they're playing now? Did they start that game in Seattle today?

2:37:56Bruce Arians:No, no, no. Travel day. Oh, really?

2:37:58Pat McAfee:I didn't know they allowed for it.

2:38:00Bruce Arians:Well, international, obviously. Yeah, custom. Especially nowadays with the

2:38:04Pat McAfee:air traffic controllers. Yeah, exactly. Covering the shutdown and whatnot. Crazy. Crazy what's going on in the sky. Shout out baseball. They need not go on Monday nights. Like, what are you doing? Just fucking move it. Seven game series?

2:38:20Bruce Arians:It's a long game. They're playing for the World Series. And I don't know if the World Series is lined up to be on a Monday night or a Sunday night. I'm sure it is, but that's baseball. They're not going to do that.

2:38:31Pat McAfee:Yeah, but we need them to do that. It would be cool to watch that, the big dumpers over there in Seattle. I agree. I agree. I think everybody wants to see the dumper in Otani. Oh, that's going to be a good one. Probably what it's going to be. An O dumps World Series? Yeah, exactly. How would that do numbers-wise? Because LA's in it, it would be bigger.

2:38:51Bruce Arians:Yeah, and then they'll also pull in the – I mean, we saw the Japanese and the international market numbers because the doctors. Do they care about that? Yeah, so. What? Does America care about the Japanese numbers? No, but the MLB does for sure.

2:39:05Pat McAfee:I wonder if the local businesses, that is interesting. Do they show them? They don't show American commercials probably. Is MLB running two different advertising companies? I would assume so, but I have no idea. Yeah, because I guess they probably just license it through some TV network. Right.

2:39:21Bruce Arians:NHK or whatever.

2:39:22Pat McAfee:Yeah, that is it, right?

2:39:24Bruce Arians:I forget if it's H or not. I just know the N and the K. I forget if it's an R. Yeah, because we thought it was not Japan.

2:39:30Pat McAfee:No. We saw the N and the K. So that was 100 % on us. We didn't know the TV network over there. We do know baseball is throwing a hot. Hell yeah. Swing a hot bat. All right, on the way out here, let's do a giveaway. Now, B.A., because of what you did last week, we will not ask you to try to do that again. What we will do is ask a man named D-Bone, okay? now there's a new game being played here in the thunderdome and it's a take on an old game so at the old office we used to have you basketball because only you can make this game go and you can be a good person and only you can uphold the rules that there are none really written it's a lot of unwritten rules a lot of uh you know there's a little bit of a it's like hockey you would say maybe or baseball where there's you know you can kind of stretch in and kind of teeter with the rules a little bit.

2:40:18Pat McAfee:What is real, what is not, that's U Basketball. And only U can make it great. Well, there's a new version of U Basketball here at the Thunderdome. And there's only been three games played. I'm sorry, two games played. There were supposed to be three games, but the champs decided not to because they had such a hot start. There's only one championship team. And that's the D's. Bone and Butt.

2:40:43Bone and Butt. I love that.

2:40:45Pat McAfee:It's a workshop of the name. Bones and Butt. And bones and butt. Bones and butt. The Ds. Bone and butt. D-bone and D-butt. And I'll tell you what, they're unbelievable. This might be D-bone's game. And D-butt, obviously we know there's an eight-foot hoop involved, so D-butt's going to be floating above that rim at all times. That hoop on the far side there, AJ, is down at eight feet. The game is played with smaller balls, like pop shot balls. like these size balls. What a game. If this makes sense right here. So it's very much a state fair game. Now what we had to do was find some game that somebody in the office could beat me and Foxy at.

2:41:27Pat McAfee:And it appears as if you add in a state fair type style game, others can certainly have success. Foxy, is that what it feels like? Amen. And D-butt and D-bone, the D's, bone and butt, they put it on us. And we weren't the only ones. They beat the hell out of Bruce. Bruce had a tough go. Bruce had a tough go. Got hot late. Yep. Tone had a tough. It was 8-0. Games to 11. Whoa, whoa. Tone was carrying me. I was on the struggle bus out there. Late, though. You guys didn't start making shots till late. It was 8-0. Tone was making shots. He just had an enemy in his own camp. Airballs are worth negative points, and you can certainly make one shot, and then the airball follows you, and all of a sudden it's only worth one point instead of two.

2:42:08Pat McAfee:With that being said, D-Bone would throw a breaking curveball the length of this hoop or the length of this court, that thing would start on the right side of the backboard and curve in right in between the box, splash multiple times. Felt like a Hail Mary, a prayer, if you will. And then it continued to fall. And then on the defensive side, the Ds, bone and butt, they're trying to break the fucking rim down here. D-bone's hanging on the rim. It's attached to a pillar in our fucking building, okay, that we had to build up. This thing's break wall. I honestly have no idea how sturdy it is. It's obviously sturdy enough to hold that backboard, and it's sturdy enough for fucking D-Bone to wreck the rim.

2:42:48Pat McAfee:Not many more times, though. Ten seconds, this guy's hanging on his – trying to break it. Easy, Jack. Coming on the wall. The wall's coming down, I think, just like we just saw. I think there's a chance. He was a throwback Shaq yesterday. Now, the game involves tips, which he still doesn't fully comprehend. Towards the end, though, he started figuring it out. Oh, yeah. At the beginning, he would catch a pass, take two steps, dunk it and he's like huh it's like you gotta tip it i jumped i jumped at the end then he mastered it this might be d-bone's game and i'm gonna say that would not be good for this entire office

2:43:25Bruce Arians:if d-bone gets great at this game i think it was a fluke one of a basketball hoop in three days

2:43:29Pat McAfee:or a wall yeah we'll see if it's a fluke we'll see if it's a fluke d-bone you want to throw uh a U-ball from the foul line into the hoop. Wait, wait, wait. Can we give him another ball, please? Is this the ball you want? Okay, you can use both, I assume. No, only need one.

2:43:47Bruce Arians:Oh, he doesn't like the dimples?

2:43:48Pat McAfee:No, he likes the... He complained about the ball for sure. But he has also a big wind and bending ball, so the painted side of it is certainly, it helps him. D-bone, for 25 people, you can win$500. All you got to do is bury that ball into that eight-foot hoop right over there and continue your U-ball dominance. Your teammate D-Butt has some motivational words. You're a national champion, so just do what you do. And back-to-back champion, so make me proud, partner. Some would say it is a world championship. I would say it's a fluke championship just like Foxy, but they did beat both teams that they played yesterday, Foxy.

2:44:25Pat McAfee:We'll see. Good luck, Bone. B.A., anything to say to Bone as he attempts to throw this basketball into a hoop? about the length of a court. Do your thing, baby. Do your thing, baby. Why don't you go ahead and do your thing? 25 people,$500. D-Bone, the current reigning world champion of U-Ball. Oh, wow. Air ball. That would be minus one right there. Wow, build up. That actually carries into the next game. He didn't do that one time yesterday. Okay, D-Bone, national champion, obviously, in football, D3 football. World champion at U-Ball. And, Foxy, how do you feel after watching that, knowing that he is your champion?

2:44:58Pat McAfee:This guy stinks. We knew it was coming. I mean, yesterday was a fluke. All right, Bone, you have absolutely no chance. He said you did a great job. Now, if you weren't able to make this, 25 people,$500. All you got to do is make it. Now, he does have a Band-Aid around his middle finger. That's true. Oh, no. Yeah, because we have chain link netting. And obviously, Big Shaq here, Diesel, had to grab on that thing. And he got a little bit of a whiplash of a chain around it. So, he had to put a Band-Aid on that in the middle of the game. I will say, didn't miss a snap. Okay? Didn't miss a snap. Colby.

2:45:28Pat McAfee:But there is a chance that that's going to affect the – that's going to rest in peace. That is going to affect the throw here coming off that middle finger. Last opportunity here, D-Bone. Don't listen to what Foxy said. That was obviously some very real things. I agree with him, actually. 25 people. 500. Oh. That was closer. Oh. Hey, you're still the champ. Good job, Bo. Bo also potentially falls in the camp of being sick of the giveaways. He could. Yeah, that's true. Some people in the Thunderdome certainly are. A lot of people are saying, let's not be giving them money. Let's make sure we keep that in this way.

2:46:06Bone's thinking about the Christmas bonuses.

2:46:10Pat McAfee:If I make this, Sean, $12 ,500 out of the kitty. And he already has to. Yeah, he missed on purpose then. That's our champion. Thank you, Deepo. That's my bone. Deepo, how long do you think you guys are champs? I know you didn't want to play that third game yesterday. We're fighting champs, so we gave the Thunderdome an opportunity and tone. I mean, look, they made a go at it at the end there, so we'll win two more today. What if B.A. wants to get in there and start dancing? This might be his game, actually. It might be. Ain't nothing with my head and all my shoulder working, bro. Can't work. All three rotator cuff gone.

2:46:47I can't wait to see high school Hall of Famer A.Q. Shipley.

2:46:53Pat McAfee:This is his game. Just how loud he's going to throw that. The way he's going to throw that thing down there is already enjoyable. And then him trying to. Yes. Oh, my God. Who's his teammate going to be? I don't know.

2:47:08Bruce Arians:I've got an opening. There you go. Tone. Wow.

2:47:11Pat McAfee:Oh, no, Bruce. Bruce got fired? Tone made three straight, I think, at one point. I think Tone made three straight at one point. Asked for his release. I mean, you guys are going to have to figure out your team's dynamics. All I know is me and Foxy winning this first game that's about to happen here. and then we're going to be the champs going forward. Whoever Tone decides to team up with, we'll be excited to see you. That's what we'll say. And then if anybody else, if you want to drive in from Ohio, AJ, just know that the U-ball court is waiting for you. You need to know that. Okay. So you're getting dunked.

2:47:39How many do you get – can you tip it back and forth, what, three times? Yes. The dunk tip or how? Okay.

2:47:43Pat McAfee:There are dunks, yes. And the issue was D Bone – D's bone and butt bone. He – You got you off the ground. Yes. catching ball, turning, pivoting, maybe even doing one of these. Drop, drop. Then dunking it, yeah. And then saying, you know, that whole thing. But towards the end, D-Butt was throwing it up in the air, off the backboard to himself, whooping to D-Butt. I mean, they were off Bones' head. I'm just throwing up to D-Butt all day long. That's all Bones' job should be. Hey, you get it and just get it up in the air for me. Yeah, but you've got to remember, Butt and Bone and Butt, he can jump up and he can literally throw it down.

2:48:23They were unbelievable on the defensive end,

2:48:26Pat McAfee:which was once a massive weakness for D-Bone, because D-Bone has no touch, has now become a very big upside for D-Bone. That's why I'm saying he might have found his shit here. He might have found his shit here. We're going to have to understand that's going to add a different D-Bone into the Thunderdome. He's going to be peacocking around here, I think, as he should. I'm going to be washing his feet a little bit closer. I think he should. Yeah, you're the champ. Here we go. And unlike the NFL, we're going to call shit against you guys. Thank you. Can't say Chiefs got no penalties. Yeah, right.

2:48:58Pat McAfee:D-Bone, all of them. Fucking. You guys called him. You didn't let him slide. Wasn't us. Independent. Took two points off the board. Independent. That was Tone Diggs. Tone Diggs was not playing. The unk. Yeah, we had the unk.

2:49:07Bruce Arians:Well, we all know Bone will be the bell of the ball playing this game until he fucking hangs on the rim and shatters the backboard and everyone's pissed at him because we got to get a new basketball hoop in here. That is a possible outcome. Just hope the backboard doesn't split him in half. Wow. Just don't get Russell York to do the officiating. Okay.

2:49:24Pat McAfee:Back to that. He needs to be better. And I can't believe he was in control. That's what I think I'm learning. I've said this before. You know when you're watching a commercial for a company, and then you learn about what your company's been doing to you? Like a banking company has a commercial. And they go, we don't, insert name of terrible fucking things, that your bank is definitely doing to you. It's like, I didn't know what bank was doing that. this rules guy us finding out that he was in charge during a time of our existence here post every time he opens his mouth it's like Alberto Riveron at one point he would go and speak and it's like you need to do less of that because I'm losing confidence in the entire process the way you do that if I would have known this Russell York guy we would have maybe stopped watching the entire league this guy's got no idea it's unbelievable then who else who's the guy you're mad at Aiden Hill.

2:50:17Pat McAfee:Oh, is that his name? There's some refs that are just notoriously bad. Like, there are some guys that are just not good, and they still get gigs. And I'm not saying he's notoriously bad. It feels like he definitely this weekend had some bad ones. But it's like, there's some bad refs. I think Dean Blandino does a great job on Fox. I think Gene Steratore does an incredible job on CBS. Like, those people are very important. Like, that is very important to the broadcast. That is very important to the game. It's just like the white cap having confidence. You are speaking for the sport. you were speaking for our entire league you are the game you are the entire thing so the experts got to be good too like the white cap certainly needs to have moxie the white cap needs to understand the game in and out the white cap has to be able to be on an iso worldwide 49 million people who's it on this guy with one open mic who's he speaking for everybody associated with this league and this broadcast they have to have moxie and have it right and then we don't need the expert chirping in wrong.

2:51:13Pat McAfee:You don't need to be... You just need to be not a part of it if you're going to be wrong. You're making things worse, not better in this entire...

2:51:20Bruce Arians:Well, and that's the leeway I have with Adrian Hill. Thank you, Bruce. That's his name. This isn't his job. This is his side job, so I don't feel bad going after him because he's not losing his job. He's just losing what he does on Sunday.

2:51:33Pat McAfee:That's the full-time ref thing that obviously... Don't get me started.

2:51:37Bruce Arians:Exactly. No, I'm going to. I'm not backing down from Adrian Hill because we won't. So I have, I feel as though, the most conviction to say something because if I don't and then the Colts or the Bucs or the Packers or any of D-Bus' teams lose in prime time and it is him, then we have no grounds to bitch and move.

2:51:56Pat McAfee:Plus we just look like we're sore losers that are looking for excuses because anytime you blame the refs, the other side automatically just says, loser mentality, that's a loser mentality. Don't know the rules. Now, on that note, there's a lot of fans bitching about calls, and the fans are wrong. And it's like, you're kind of the boy who cried wolf here. You're kind of, whenever bad calls actually happen, everybody just kind of says, these people don't even know what they're talking about. Because how often there's complaints about actual right calls. You know what I mean, AJ? We're always going to complain about calls.

2:52:27Pat McAfee:But whenever we get up in arms about calls that are actually right, it kind of defeats the entire, hey, these guys suck type thing. Because then the NFL can go. there's always going to be complaints about our refs we're always striving to get better but on that note with a lot of backlash the actual rules of the game are blah blah blah we should have definitely looked at blah blah blah but this is definitely what the rules are and then they go back and basically say no argue peasants and we're not changing anything so whenever there's actual problems like if somebody's 30 yards away from a play and doesn't do pass interference worst And then you call offensive pass interference after a touchdown is kind of scored.

2:53:07Pat McAfee:Clearly taking back a touchdown for something, it's like, that should be talked about. Like, that should be talked about. And this isn't the only thing during this entire game. I think there was numerous things through the game. It's like, are we going to get any accountability from these people? We would like to know what happened.

2:53:19Bruce Arians:And that's exactly why, like, after the game, it's fine. Like, okay, I'll read the pool report. And then you read the pool report. And it's like, oh, okay. So I actually will put my Adrian Hill needs to be fired from the NFL forever hat on, and I won't take it off until he does.

2:53:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, and let's see if he bounces back. But the accountability of refs has always been the question. And B.A. is a guy who he get on to refs that are there at practice. You know, like Big Ten refs are coming to practice with the Indianapolis Colts, and they can get it if they throw the wrong flag. You certainly have a standard for refs, but they change lives, legacies, games, fire people. Side job. This is a side job. It's the only billion-dollar industry where part-time people make the decisions. How long have you been pitching the— Well, we had the union broke when we had the scabs, and we had that crazy call up in Seattle on Hail Mary, and everybody went crazy.

2:54:12And we gave in. It's the strongest union in the country. The refs? Yeah.

2:54:17Pat McAfee:Really? Look at their deal. So they don't have to give any explanation to anything? They're totally—they're untouchable. in the nfl they just bend the knee well they have to because they're saying the agreement that they made so whenever the fail mary happens i think is what ba just said and this is a piece of information that i guess i'm learning in real time i don't know if it actually is but in this moment i assume the ref unions who are trying to get a new deal with the nfl say excuse me you want this to happen you get high school officials because they weren't even college officials because the college officials wanted to become nfl officials so they want to be scabs to go against the nfl union because they hoped to one day become nfl officials so this was literally the refs that knew they would never become nfl refs which means these are all the assest refs of all time that were out there let alone this the fail mary you're talking about putting the ball in the wrong hash every time putting on the wrong yard line every like even just the logistics of going through a game they fucked it all up and what he's saying is the ref union called the nfl and said is this is this what you guys want keep making a mockery of the game and then the nfl bet that he said yeah we need you back here because this was on prime time and they had what we like to call leverage in the negotiation how long is that deal for do we know and do we understand what that is i think it comes up every four or five years but it still it still weighs out and uh it is a strong union and a strong deal for them you don't have to talk well i got plenty of time you're not the only one brother no doubt and we bring it up to goodell right and he goes we look around at other leagues and there's full-time officials and we don't think that their accuracy rate is any he like always has it and then like last night for the illegal formation i saw a lot of bears fans complaining about it you look back at that calls it before the ball is thrown before the touchdown happens and certainly an argument could be made that the tackle is too far back so like bears fans going crazy about that and the nfl could just go we've called this across the entire league yes this we've done this all time we did this right it's like they grandstand on those moments when they're right and then whenever the actual things happen like that offensive pass interference is that's why you make it makes you wonder actually and that can't help but wonder like what what what's going on here like how is this because even the zoom in thing he's running doesn't even think about throwing a flag okay the ref over there so it's like and it doesn't even make sense football play wise like why because the pool report after was saying he was caught because he was blocking during like he was not blocked yeah but like he wasn't blocking number one and why would he be blocking like 30 yards away from the pass not even probably not even knowing at that point the ball was thrown to pop.

2:56:45Like, it was – and then not seeing a flag. I watched all 22. I'm looking at every ref that would have thrown a flag. Not seeing – like, this was – It's weird. If this was a Chiefs, like, you would have been hearing – like, it would have been a much louder, much louder thing.

2:57:00Bruce Arians:And truthfully, this doesn't even matter in the game because the Patriots end up getting a touchdown on this drive. The real problem is on – I think it was third and 15, he throws a deep ball to Diggs down the sideline. And Diggs, I guess, has a little push off, definitely a flop, which if the Bears guy flopped on Swift, that would have got called holding. But there's that. And the next play. Yeah, shouldn't be called, but it is so fine. The next play, Matt Collins, same exact thing, third and 27. The ball's coming in, and the Saints guy grabs his arms, and it's an incompletion, and it's not called.

2:57:37Bruce Arians:So, like, that is the – it's those three together. like the digs thing on its own whatever we end up scoring a touchdown the the second digs one sure i can let it go i guess you can't that's not a call not a call offensive pass interference is

2:57:51Pat McAfee:a tough call you don't hear it a lot no you don't you don't you don't hear offensive pass interference so for that to be called on the one where he's 30 yards away is an absurd call you think yourself well it must be obvious and then you watch it no and then this one i flop it must be obvious right nope not really but dbs are the reason you can't challenge us anymore remember that remember that i mean that was the two the real reason is alberto riveron which again we're back at square one who's making decisions on the reviews because if they're incompetent do the

2:58:16Bruce Arians:reviews even matter they gave it one year with riveron one year with riveron they weren't like hey instead of changing who's in charge with this pastor maybe a younger person that can kind of see

2:58:25Pat McAfee:it and understands it and like you know the xbox controller that the xfl was doing live in real time you get a younger person that's pretty savvy on all that shit and teach them the rules like Blandino. I don't want to keep going back to Blandino. Blandino is very good. It seems like he understands everything that's going on. Savvy. The only issue is the networks are like, this guy's really good. We'll give you triple whatever the NFL's paying now. Gene Steratore. Need him. In the game. Francesa. Or whatever.

2:58:52Bruce Arians:Pereira. Sorry. I'm thinking of SportsPol.

2:58:54Pat McAfee:Pereira. Pereira's way... Did Pereira ref? Oh, yeah. He was... Maybe the most entertaining person I've seen. He is a hilarious individual. Him as a ref would have been hilarious.

2:59:08Bruce Arians:I'm pretty sure he did. I can't swear to that. It's the last frontier of the NFL. It feels like they figured out the kickoff. We have legitimately like 35 good quarterbacks. The last thing they need to do is the referees and all of a sudden it truly is the perfect league. Biggest scouting report we did each week was who was refereeing the game. and that's wrong. Because they're all so different. It's smart, but it shouldn't be like that. DBs, keep your hands out. These guys, don't touch the quarterback. This guy's going to flag you if you just nick him. Oh, you can whack this son of a bitch in the face.

2:59:42This guy ain't never calling him.

2:59:44Pat McAfee:That's what I mean. The consistency of each crew week to week. Totally different. The National Football League and the NFL Refs Association have reached a seven-year collective bargaining agreement. The side's announced on Saturday. The new deal runs through May 31, 2026. Okay. Hey. Let's go. Let's get this right. Let's get this right. This agreement solidifies the working partnership between the league and officials toward a common goal of developing and training the best officials in the world. We hope that continues. We hope that grows even more. And good luck to all parties getting that done.

3:00:10Pat McAfee:Let's get the hell out of here. What a great Tuesday. Thank you so much, BA, for traveling up here. You're the man. Appreciate you, brother. Better show next week. Yeah, well, not yet. Hold on, Coach. Jesus. You're going to have to come up with something new. You're going to have to come up with something new at the end of the show. Same message, baby. Okay. Hey, need to hear it. Need to hear it. of it, though. Not here. Want to let you know that with you. We appreciate your vibes, not only on the show, but off the show. We thank you for traveling up here every single week. AJ, you're the man.

3:00:32Pat McAfee:Tone, why don't you come out of Hammer? Done! Done! And boys in the back, great work. Really good. Draft Design, boys. Everybody out there, really good work today. Phenomenal job. On the Rushmore episode, great work. Great work on all parties involved in that. And we can't thank you all enough for allowing us to be a part of your life. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Anything Great show. Better win next week. Hey man, it hit second time.

3:01:00Bruce Arians:It did.

3:01:01Pat McAfee:Team on three. One, two, three.

3:01:03Bruce Arians:Team. Goodbye.

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