PMS 2.0 1436 - TNF Preview, Shams Charania, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Kirk Herbstreit, & AJ Hawk

24:22Are there coaches specifically, or not coaches, but jobs specifically for, you know, people to bring plays to Ben Johnson or whoever that they can then maybe implement if they like him? Oh, yeah. There's people upstairs that are scouring the internet. They are going on everybody's internet. They're looking at film. They're doing everything, and they're trying to find those plays. I remember when I was with Cliff, we would get plays, and we'd get a one-word play for the week, and it'd be like Abilene. And I was like, why is it Abilene? Oh, we got this play from Abilene Christian in 2017, and it's some trick play that you had up for the week.

24:53But for them, it probably just popped up on a similar opponent as they're watching tape. It's like, oh, put that in the archives, and then all of a sudden it's up. Do we have the personnel to be able to do this? We do. Let's go to the number three performing offensive line. Whoa. Nice, dude. Top three. Yeah, this is good. Top five every week. Top three. They're top five every week. Congratulations. Indianapolis Colts, they are the best offensive line in football. Looks like they're third best. No, no, they're third. This is a week-to-week rankings. And for this week, there were two groups that played better than their offensive line.

25:27We'll see. That is not saying that they didn't play good, because they did play good. And you will see exactly why on this play in particular. Let's look. This is called 11 trap. 11, because we're going to the left. odd number. Quentin Nelson and Raymond on the left side. Watch them. Bluff this D-tackle. He falls down. You don't even have to do anything. Quentin Nelson up at the next level. And then if you go back one more time, look at the right side. Bordellini gets a crossface. Oh, Bordellini. We didn't even bring that up when we were talking about spaghetti. Yeah, that's right. Bordellini gets a crossface.

25:58He seals it. Braden Smith gets a crossface. He seals it. And then the biggest thing is they get the blitz up the field and that creates the Big gaping hole Out the back top Sick celebration I mean he's got a good selling Very good selling Love it Very replicable Very doable And it looks cool every time And with how fast he runs It just kind of carries him Exactly Gets right into it After he crosses the goal line Yeah doesn't look like it's too much Feels like that was a good brainstorm session And it ended up in a great spot for him He's scoring a lot of touchdowns That's because the offensive line's Third best in football Yeah Third best According to this

26:32AQ Shipley:He said the best No. No. See, this week it looks like they're the third. Third this week. It was 6-1. Best team. Best offensive line. Cumulative. Third season. Third. Third best. Leading rushing. Most consistent offensive line this season. You told Borolini right through his face. He's fucking third. Borolini's been great. I know. Is that right? I know he has. Quentin Nelson's been great. Both tackles have been great. What's wrong with the north left corner of this particular? Well, there's two teams. They're great. They'd had better performances amongst the offensive line this week. Period. You think Portolini's a spaghets guy?

27:12No, I think he's a riggeton guy. Just fine. He likes rolling, folks. Tortolini, maybe. Maybe Tortolini. I mean, Portolini for Tortolini, you might just say, look at me. You know, the family and the entire thing. Gabagool. Yeah, he's great. He's been. Grazie perigo for what you've been doing for us over here with the, you know, Mozzarella and the pepperon. And the brisoude and everything they're doing here, which is obviously good. Number three offensive line coming out of week seven is the Indianapolis Colts. Who's the number two performing offensive line out of week seven? Wow. The Detroit Lions.

27:44Okay. Hey, Foxy, before you let this thing run, let me just talk about why I loved this group. I watched this film yesterday, and as I took a look at this film, it reminded me of a nine-on-seven practice. You remember nine-on-seven? You remember nine-on-seven. Here's what gets lost in the sauce whenever you do nine on seven. You let your technique go out the window, and it just becomes an attitude game, right? Because you're just trying to win the drill. And whenever you're trying to win the drill, I'm coming off the ball harder. I might miss sometimes, but I'm trying to punch you in the fucking mouth.

28:13Strength, man. They knew who was coming into town. It was Tampa Bay, right? It was Vita Veya. It was all the boys trying to punch you in the mouth. This was like a nine on seven game. And they also had some really good plays in the technique. And you guys all remember this play from the other night. Let's take a look. So, look, two double teams at the point of attack. That's called duo. There it is. Two double teams. Let's watch them get hip to hip, cover these guys up, get up on Levante David. Wow. The running back sets up the block, and then see ya. That's Sonic. See ya. That's right. That's Sonic.

28:45So good. See ya. I mean, that's so good.

28:46AQ Shipley:That's got to be fun. I mean, look at Khalif Raymond, too, just sticking his nose in there. C-gap insert, incredible. Come back to the beginning again. Penny Sewell celebrating this down the field is awesome. I mean, just the moxie of the ball. And the midnight blitz, what are these? The Motor City Muscle. Oh, great unis. Great unis. And the number zero looks really cool, doesn't it, AQ? Do you think that's why he's running a little bit better and maybe they're blocking a little bit better? I mean, he's running 25 miles an hour. He sets up both safeties, Phil, outside. He just hits at 100 miles an hour right up the A-gap.

29:17It was incredible. Yeah, maybe they did have a pretty good little weekend, I guess. Somebody's going to have to be stupendous to be the number one performing offensive line in the week seven of the NFL season. Who would that be? That would be the San Francisco 49ers. That's bullshit. 175 yards rushing. Christian McCaffrey was back. This is his best rushing performance since the year 2023. Wow. That was just a couple years ago because we're currently in the year 2025. That's correct. Whenever you think about this Niners team, you think about them having a tough offense. You think about them having an incredible run game.

29:48This has been the first time they've been number one in some time now. Is that because Kittle's back, or what did you see this week? It's everything to do with 44 and 85. I'm telling you, their offensive line plays better. It sets it up for the scheme that they want to do. This play right here, we're going to get powered down. We're going to motion across, get the tight end at the point of attack. You check downhill, old school power. Boom, boom, everyone washes down. Look at Kittle. He's the home run block. He's the home run block on the backside. If you watch him climb, he gets up to Jesse Bates.

30:16Watch this. because Jesse Bates, if you slack it, I'll look at him, get skinny, get inside leverage, and give him another five or six yards. I think I was looking at another white tight end. Far left, far left, far left. I was looking at 89 the whole time. You got a linebacker. Good block by 89 as well. George Kittle getting up there also fantastic. Incredible. They got good fundamentals. And what did you say about their practice drills? So whenever they, like, so for instance, B.A., if he runs a blitz drill, it's going to be nine out of ten of the plays are going to be pass plays. If it's Kyle Shanahan, it's a blitz drill.

30:46they're still getting eight runs in because they are constantly running that run game. Everything is off of the run game. The reps go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. There's a lot of reps. And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And on. Is that it? It's a good running game. Well, some days. I mean they just They go on and on and on And on and on and on And on and on and on And on and on and on You guys know People say this bit potentially Yeah this bit my voice I don't know how much it can last But if I had to guess it could probably go On and on and on And on and on and on And on and on And on and on and on And hopefully this seg right here will continue to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

31:48And a streak of the Indianapolis Colts ending up in the top five and not being number one shall continue, I guess, in A.Q. Shipley's mind. That's In the Trenches of A.Q. Shipley. You know what? Sometimes you get in the middle of a seg and you think, man, I wish this went all day. I wish it kind of went. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

32:21I sure do. How does it feel? I was passed out. Kind of just found a fucking, you know. Find it. Yeah, I went Mach 10 there for a little bit. Shout out TC. Shout out TC and Bob. Yeah, and Bob Parsons. Miss you, Bob. Yeah, we hope everything's great. Yeah, thank you for your service. And great golf clubs. We appreciate you over there at PXG. And your accent is fantastic as well. And if that segment would have went, no. We wouldn't have been able to get to. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Everything DB. Good D, bad D with Darius J. Yes, sir.

33:01AQ Shipley:Hey, before we get to these plays and the teams and the defenses that are on there, there is one omission this week, the Cleveland Browns. I know I'm going to get some texts. They beat the shit out of the Dolphins. obviously Tua looked bad. It just wasn't a lot of teaching moments from those plays. It was just very, very stinky. But shout out Tyson Campbell to pick Hickman. And who else got a pick in that game? Rayshawn Jenkins as well. But let's get to the team. So this is like when they were judging party schools back when we were in school. And they were like, West Virginia's a professional party school.

33:29We will not judge them amongst the others. Here is the top 25. You're saying, hey, like Cleveland Browns, you guys embarrassed the entire Miami Dolphins.

33:37AQ Shipley:I mean, it just. And I mean, Tua's, you know, Tua, Mike McDaniel, the Dolphins, They've been buried every show. Yeah, but Cleveland Browns certainly. Yeah, Browns are good. Good defense. Very good defense. Okay, so congrats to them. Hey, congrats to Browns. In the league of their own. Way to go, Browns. This week. This week. Yeah, but let's get to the tape. Some teaching moments from around the league, starting with the Carolina Panthers now missing a quarterback. This defense, you talk about complementary football defense. Derrick Brown, he's been dominant as far as being an interior defensive lineman.

34:06AQ Shipley:And then J.C. Horn, one of the corners that got paid this offseason. and he's been phenomenal since stepping into the league. The only thing that you would say about J.C. Horn, hey, you need some more ball production and just staying healthy. And you're seeing more and more of that this year. This is his second time, I believe, on EverythingDB. This is a cover six look. So at the bottom of the screen, J.C. Horn is up there up top. And on the bottom of the screen, this is cover two. And then on the other side, it'll be cover four, hence why we get the cover six. So quarters technique, he's outside leverage.

34:35AQ Shipley:You'll watch his safety. This is a route, two beat quarters. Boom, safety settles down, and then you got outside leverage from the cornerback. Post route, boom. When you are behind, we call that out of phase. You're not taught to look back for the ball, but once you get kind of towards that end zone, you really got nothing to lose. This is what you call not panicking, not just running into the receiver, getting the P.I., going up high point in this thing with one hand. It's the second time you've been on here, not only getting there in session, but getting a one-hander. This was absolutely nasty.

35:05AQ Shipley:DeTarra Taylor, T-Mobile, we'll see if he starts this week for the Jets. At least he was taking a shot down the field, but a phenomenal play from J.C. Horn from outside leverage and quarters coverage up top. As Aaron Glenn said earlier in the week, the Jets will have a quarterback. The Carolina Panthers have a team? Yes. This is how many wins in a row now? Four? Three. I think three. Yeah, three. They got the shit beat out by the Patriots, I believe. Got a win, then lost to the Patriots, then rattled off three straight. The run game, which we know has been great, and then defensively they've been great as well.

35:36AQ Shipley:Once again, we'll see what happens at the quarterback position. This is his second pick in this game. Now, you should never go to this matchup, Reynolds, on the outside. This is a practice rep. This is something you practice one-on-ones. Hey, DB versus DB. You usually don't see it this easy in the game. But, yeah, he goes outside, gets his head around, high points, and lean and locate. Just absolutely textbook clinic rep. That's a coach throwing that ball. Exactly. I've actually thrown that ball you've seen this drill this is literally what this is I don't know what T-Mobile was thinking at this point in the game going at that matchup one on one the safety was completely on the other side of the field because you have a $25 million a year cornerback and this is why you have him.

36:17AQ Shipley:J.C. Horn making plays go ahead Conman. To Deepa's point about just their record as of recently this was their first road win like their splits between road and home are insane they're dominant at home and now Now it's Buffalo, who has had trouble stopping the run, going to Carolina with Andy Dalton, and then Rico Dowdell and Chuba Hubbard. Now back for a second game. That's a sneaky Bills at Panthers. You see it and you hear it and you're like, whatever. But then when you realize the Panthers are a good football team, it's a tough game. And we have to know, Connor's certainly hoping for one of those as well.

36:50But also with the full expectation that the Bills are the Bills and Josh Allen is still the MVP of this game. You start snooping around the Carolina team, though, you're like, wait a minute. there's a chance here, which would be great for the Patriots at the moment. The Patriots are very close to being number one seed in the AFC Raiders. That's right. On your heels. On your heels. Can you hear us coming? Can you hear us? We're coming. Danny can't hear anything, actually. If you've seen anything, he's locked in 1 ,500. There is no noise outside other than a nice little Halloween party with the Patriots and the boys having a little beer.

37:18Go ahead to some more good D-Maker.

37:20AQ Shipley:Here we go. Oh! Speaking of the boys. Hey, my coach, Lou and I are on this defense. They have been phenomenal. Now, Nick Cross will get this interception here. You'll see it better from the replay. Pause it real quick. I want you to – so they're going to motion a four strong. But number three receiver right now, right there, right on the hash, that's Ladd McConkie, going to double him. So I think that's where Justin's going to want to go with this ball. He's going to get doubled from the opposite side of the field. That's safety that's on this hash down here. He's going to come and take that short one away.

37:49AQ Shipley:And then Justin Herbert is going to go to the crosser right here. Third and seven, 23 game. They get a touchdown here. They cut it down to a two-possession game. But Nick Cross makes a great play, turning around, looking him up, then getting his head around last second. Kind of a one-hand pick, trapping it against the shoulder. You'll get a closer look at it here. Boom, unbelievable play right here, especially in the end zone. Anytime you get an interception where either you're setting your offense up in the scoring position or on the flip side of that, when the other offense is a big swing at points and momentum, the other offense is threatening to drive to get points in the game, that's a big-time interception getting his head around there.

38:25AQ Shipley:Not panicking, not just getting a P.I., but getting your head around and making a play on the ball. If you pause it here, like, run it back to the beginning. He kind of makes it look like he's running with Ladd. Then he drops Ladd to the double coverage and then turns around on Quentin Johnston here. So that's a great play from Nick Cross from beginning to end. Tell me a little bit more about Nick Cross. He gets sacks. He's all over the field. He's unbelievable. This guy's fucking everywhere. Unbelievable. I believe he was a second-round pick out of Maryland. Career kind of started off rough. After his first, maybe second year, they're ready to run him out of town, honestly.

38:56AQ Shipley:But he's leading the league. I mean, leading the team in tackles right now going into this week's game. And then he's just been a playmaker. He can blitz. He can show up in the run game. And then if he can add this element to his game as well, getting ball production, he can play in the league for a long, long time and make a ton of money. But Luke, you talk about what Luana Roma is doing and what his scheme is like. Imagine this as a quarterback, especially in that low red area. We drafted him 2022, third round out of Maryland. He's been here now, and he is really exploding. He is everywhere.

39:2820 is actually everywhere. I like this little, he baited butter right here. He baited butter right here and then does a walking spin move while covering a guy, and then the ball is on him. It has incredible. And then he'll blitz just like the next play and run his face right through somebody. I'm a big fan of Nick Cross. Yeah, it's insane that those were the first two plays on everything DB, just like the IQ of J.C. Horn and Cross there. But you guys talk about middle eight all the time. This is not just an interception. This is a two-minute warning. They don't get any points, and then the Colts go and kick a field goal.

40:02That's not the play of the game when you look back on it. But then looking at it right now, 20-3, possibly 20-10, and it ends up being 23-3. Jage did not like us going. I forgot we didn't bring that up to J.J. He did not like us going for a field goal, Ray. At all. Yo, Jay, it's 20-3, Jay. Let's just fucking, we're trying to make sure this is the last drive. Yeah. I don't like these decisions. I was texting him in the middle of the game. I'm like, yo, it was third down. What do you want him to do? If we could give them the ball back, they'd potentially score again. He's like, it was before that.

40:32And then, like, afterwards, he's like, what are they doing in 13 seconds? Why are they doing that? It's like, okay, that decision we can certainly get after. But it's like everything Steichen's doing right now, all three phases, it's all working. Like, Lou Anaruma has been perfect for this team. Special teams don't really have to do much, but they do. Somehow we get a massive return when we need it if we have to have it. And then on offense, offensively, J.J. said we're always on schedule. It's like, I'm not questioning anything, J.J. So when you're calling this Colts game next time, J.J., just know Shane's got it figured out.

41:00AQ Shipley:That's probably why he was questioning it, because we were cooking with gas on offense, and I'm sure watching them on tape and then coming in and seeing what they're doing. They're getting the ball, two minutes left. I'm not sure how many timeouts, but from, like, the first play, you saw, okay, it was no sense of urgency, and they did get down there. But then Shane, at his halftime interview, I think he said, like, look, we just wanted this to be the last possession of the game before hitting in the halftime. So, look, we don't doubt Shane. Shane was saying, look, Dagnumit. Yeah, gracious Pete, what do you want me to do?

41:25He was saying all those things. You know, he's great, Mike Doug. Yeah, he is. Explain that to me. Oh, look, it's going to be a touchdown. Look at this shit. Look at this. Look at this. It's going to be a touchdown. Touchdown right here. And what if it's not? They don't really show if it's not. All right, next play. What's the next touchdown? Cut that. Cut that. This one's going to be a touchdown. Everybody look at this. I love his optimism. I love his energy. I love how it's working out. Let's go to some more good deals.

41:45AQ Shipley:Talking about optimism, energy, and somebody else that's great mic'd up. Kelvin Shepard had these boys rolling in prime time against the Tampa Bay Bucs. 14-0 right here. Now, you've seen this replay a lot. You've seen this talked about a lot. You talk about the middle eight again. This is two-minute. I mean, yeah, two-minute situation. Second quarter, 1.50, 200 o 'clock. And honestly, Baker Mayfield, he dropped back and threw the ball a ton this game. But he was so hesitant. Like, I haven't seen him this hesitant in I don't know how long, but that lets you know how confusing probably his defense was to him.

42:17AQ Shipley:You'll see if you run it back, is this the beginning of the frame? You'll see the skies here. Maybe man-to-man coverage. You look at that top safety. Then once he gets the snap and drops back, they go to a split safety coverage. And you can see Baker's not really, I guess, confident or comfortable because if he steps up, he can kind of hit this number one receiver right behind this underneath dropper. but Arthur Millett right here who's circled, he does a great job. As a zone defender, especially underneath zone defender, you're taught to break on the quarterback's intention. So you break on their eyes and you break on their intentions.

42:47AQ Shipley:And he does a great job. And he showed up with physicality attacking the football. And 99 times out of 100, if it's considered a tie or two guys go to the ground with the ball, they're going to give the tie to the offense. This was probably the first time I ever seen this overturned. But then on review, when I'm looking at it. What? Was that a second look? I mean, if you pause it here, yeah, with a second look, it looks like Otten's holding on to a bunch of forearm, and Arthur Millett has a lot more of the football. So I wasn't – maybe it's the former DB and me. Maybe it's me root for Kelvin Shepard.

43:19AQ Shipley:But I saw this as an interception as well. This got overturned from New York. I did as well. I saw it as an interception as well. But to your point about Ty goes the runner, that's always kind of the case here in these particular types of plays. So they overturn this, give this to Detroit, and then they do a second look on a first down. that goes into, are you guys? Yeah, I mean, there was also a sack where our guy tripped the quarterback and they didn't call it. Yeah, there was a couple things here that, you know what, we're just going to take those because what comes around goes around. And also, that was called a catch on the field.

43:49That blew my mind more that they reversed it. I just figured they would just say, yep, it was a catch on the field. We have no evidence. We're going to keep it moving. But instead, the ref said, oh, we got you in the Chiefs game. Here you go, Lions fans. Yeah, Mahomes on that football, remember? Yeah, is that what they said? Is that what they said? I don't think that's the case. I think that maybe New York wants Detroit to win. The New Darlings of the NFL. Yeah, maybe the Lions fans can never, ever say anything ever again about the refs. Ever. Disgusting. Ever. Never again. Ever. Now, on this one, though.

44:20Next hundred years, because it was a primetime game. Yep. Primetime game, a lot of injuries. Guess the MVP. Against the best team in football, people were saying, other than the Indianapolis Colts. Primetime, they give that one to the Detroit. After a second, look. What? Never heard that. How many looks are we doing here? Well, he challenged something else, but he gets, what are we doing? Then Lions fans, hey, it must be nice. Must be nice, Lions. We're going to take them any time we can get them. And also, I like that everyone agreed, like watching that play, it looked like an interception, and then they called it an interception.

44:53I enjoy that aspect. Yeah, we certainly like that. I would like that to be known, that we like the common sense reign true here, but also a lot of common sense situations happening for the Lions all of a sudden. It's crazy. Not to bring up another fourth down questionable call by the rest, but that little option play. Yeah, I don't know if he got the first there. It's kind of out of bound. Unbelievable. And you said they gave it to him? Great effort. They didn't look at it. I don't know. They didn't measure. That was the first down. Wow. That was the first down, Josh. Rob and Rob puts him over, it looked like.

45:29But now, all of a sudden, I'm thinking we need to go back and look at that play. Yeah, what's going on with the refs in New York? Kusch is a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. No, no, no, no, no. The Detroit Lions getting favorable calls? We need about 10 ,000 more calls to make it even. Oh, never going to be good enough. It's never going to be enough, NFL. Detroit Lions more like Detroit Lion. Oh, the Lion Lions. Wow. Oh, that does sound like there's some lies coming out of the Lions fan base if they don't think that maybe the NFL's on their side. We don't want to hear it anymore. NFL, we'd like to let you know, if you just gave the Colts a bunch of calls, we'd be okay with it.

46:05Absolutely. We'd be thankful for it. We'd acknowledge it. We wouldn't say, you need$10 ,000 more to make up for what you've done in the past. We'd say it's A-okay. Do we have more good D or bad D?

46:14AQ Shipley:Absolutely. We still got some more good D over here, Paul. Here we go. Down at the bottom of the screen. Vikings versus the Eagles. This is a rookie, Andrew McCuba. This is his second time, I believe, on EverythingDB. If you pause it right here, boom, who are we circling? One of the best, if not the best, wide receiver in football with Justin Jefferson. They're going to run a cover, too, over Justin Jefferson. But I want you to watch as this play develop the safety because obviously he's focused on 18 to start. You won't let it run here. This is the Carson Wentz interception that we've seen earlier in the week.

46:44AQ Shipley:But we'll see a little deeper dive into it. So, Paul, great job by the cornerback and the safety being over top. of Justin Jefferson. But once the quarterback breaks the pocket, he's going to throw it to this receiver. I believe Jordan Addison running all the way across the field. And if McCuba doesn't get back, spin around, and look for work and make this play, he honestly probably catches this ball running away from Mitchell. So great play, great heads-up play by the rookie, not only being aware, but going up there and making a play on the football. I like that Vic Fangio isn't Fangio over. No kidding.

47:18I like that they still got all the dogs. Because remember, it was Joe Bolver down there for Fangio over with the Miami Dolphins. And maybe it was just Joe Bolver for everybody down there at the Miami Dolphins. And Vic Fangio celebrating a new life up there in Philadelphia. A lot of communication.

47:32AQ Shipley:Yeah, if you run it back right here, I was just going to point it out. And this is something that, you know, the common watcher may not see or pay attention to. But if you run it all the way back, the thing about playing the nickel position, Cooper Duzin is in the slot, is communication. The verbal and nonverbal communication. So this point, I'm sure there's some talking going on with the pointing as well. A lot of point, boom, boom. Maybe let him know something. Then let it play and watch 33 again. Do you think why do you throw it down there? Pause it. It's back about three clicks. If you just watch 33 underneath as a slot defender, as a underneath dropper, it's not only about looking up the receiver.

48:08AQ Shipley:I talked about being his own defenders, about the intentions and the eyes on a quarterback. So he just feels this receiver behind him. Let it run. Boom. Feels him. Nobody's open. Short, Jefferson's cover, obviously Nagler's cover, you just throw it down deep. Carson. Yeah, he doesn't see, he doesn't think, Carson Wentz experience for sure, he doesn't think by any chance that McCuba's going to get back to that place. So great job, and obviously you'll see from the TV replay that Carson was pretty bummed out. I mean, how does Cooper, it's Cooper DeGene, right, you said? Yep, yep. The legs are mirrored, and he's not even looking at the guy when he turns and pivots.

48:44That is ridiculous. I don't even know how the hell you can feel that. Just a feel. Yeah. Right here. Ready? Yep. Just feel. He goes, yeah, right, left, right.

48:54AQ Shipley:And then stops. Yeah, just like that. He's rating Carson, I think, right? Exactly. Yeah. Reading the attention of the quarterback. As soon as he breaks that pocket, you know, it kind of turns into a scramble drill sometimes. But as that underneath the fender, you just feel it. One, two, three. Yeah, you feel them. It's insane. Yeah. Well, and also, that's why the no look is so impressive. Yeah. Because if you just get him, Cooper, a little bit off, and then you throw that thing back, All of a sudden, that's a completion instead of a I don't think he's open. Hell, there's a guy way out there. Let me hawk this thing.

49:20I'm Carson Wentz. And that's fun. We're appreciative of him doing that. Do we have more good D? Nope. That's all the good D. Oh, we got bad D.

49:29AQ Shipley:Oh, no. Absolutely. Sorry, Skull fans. The Vikings are still on here. Cover two is something that we're kind of seeing week in and week out on the bad D. Some inverted cover two. So all that means is that the safety or the linebacker, somebody else becomes the flat defender, which is usually number two down here. They are playing usually the flat as the DB, as a corner. But now they go back to be the deep half defender as a cornerback. Now, can they do it? Absolutely. But it's something that safeties do down in and down out, week in and week out. But now you're putting that on a cornerback. So now in the deep half, number one receiver, which Devontae Smith is down here, you always want to be inside of the number one receiver if you're a deep half.

50:15AQ Shipley:So he's already in a bad spot here. And also he doesn't have the depth. So what happens when you don't have the depth is you kind of panic because that receiver, obviously these boys can run. They get up on you quick. So, boom, does a great job stemming him even more outside, gets him to flip his hips, and then runs a great route. And obviously play action under center. You saw a little bit more of that from Jalen Hurts in the Eagles offense, even though they didn't run the ball well. Great, great ball, deep ball from Jalen Hurts. But, yeah, he put him in. I mean, that's a great, great route. Because if he just lines up, if these two guys just line up and race, Isaiah Rogers is one of the fastest players in the league.

50:50AQ Shipley:But when you set him up like that and have him hit that spinneroo, and then obviously your quarterback throws a dot, one of the best, I think, deep ball throwers in the league where he could just get back there and throw it to 6 or 11, Jalen Hurts when he's playing ball. Perfect passer rating this week. Just a great job by not only the quarterback, but the receiver right here setting them up. A little bit of a blender. Okay, that's not a good place to be. Obviously, you feel very helpless and hopeless. And if that's what the offense is going to look like for Philadelphia going forward, they might go back to back to back.

51:17And maybe everybody will be happy. Absolutely. We got some more bad D. We got one more. One more. And it's the same thing. It's Big D giving some bad D to the commanders.

51:26AQ Shipley:It's the same thing. So right here at the bottom of the screen, you got Marshawn Lattimore. He's going to become the deep half safety. So once again, inverted cover too. But this safety, he's not going to be the flat defender. He's going to be the middle run through, which is usually the Mike linebacker here. So he's going to be responsible for CeeDee Lamb up to the left side of the formation if you're looking at it defensively. And he's going to drop that middle read. Boom. So you let it run here. Running with the middle read. Boom. Now I drop it and I go to the dig. Dagger concept we see this week in and week out.

51:55AQ Shipley:CeeDee Lamb sees that he gets dropped. He knows it's not a middle of field safety. He just throws his hand up. Dak, Dak, throw me the ball. He sees him. Marshawn takes a bad angle because, once again, as a cornerback, as good as Marshawn is as a corner, that's something that safeties usually do. Angles are everything as a DB, offensive lineman as well. So if you're playing out of position, it's tough, and he actually knocks off the other safety, and then these little boys walking backpedaling to the end zone. But great job by Dak seeing him, and he's bummed out because he was in position to make this play, but he took a bad angle and it turned into a touchdown.

52:30AQ Shipley:That's the life of a DB, though. Yeah, that is tough. and obviously we all saw that play. I'm excited to learn why and how we got there. Well, congrats to the Dallas Cowboys seemingly on firing on all cylinders. It looks like vibes are immaculate down there for the Dallas Cowboys. Good for them. They got a lot of talent on the offense side. Defense side, obviously, it's a thing. How about the good D and bad D from everything, DB? Thank you much. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to do a magic trick. Watch this. I'm going to go ahead and snap my fingers, and all of a sudden a different human is going to be sitting right here.

52:57What? Yeah. Have you ever seen something like this? Never. No. You're going to disappear too, motherfucker. What? Hold on. Should we do it at the same time? It's my trick, not yours. Just fucking sit there and shut up. You have to imagine. D-Bus, guess what, bro? You're fucking disappearing too. Okay. I'm going to snap my fingers and you three, myself included, us three, are going to be gone and there's going to be a new person sitting right here. Shit. Do you think that's possible? Yep. Thank you, AQ. What about sitting here? Yeah, who's sitting there? Brand new person.

53:26AQ Shipley:Oh, shit. Yeah. Spooky, man. Do you believe it's possible? Well, I've seen magic on the stage before, so yeah. Mike and Malone, man. Super duper Mike. One of the goats. Boys, in front of you right now, there's about to be some fucking magic. There's about to be something that you're going to talk about forever. I'm sitting in this seat right now, but as soon as I snap these fingers, there's going to be a brand new person sitting here. Foxy, if you would go to the straight on shot, that would be what we were looking for. Ladies and gentlemen, in three, two, and...

54:04it is magic it is magic right i mean look at that i had no idea it would work out that well and here we go i just boom rose from the ashes here it is wow big game guys hey uh good d bad d in the trenches with aq shipway darius j butler i love watching those segments i don't know about you guys i actually every time i learn a lot and it actually it brings up like 15 questions every time i wish i was there to to badger them throughout their whole situation because we You know, nothing stops the Ram, Chuck, right? No, it doesn't. We see the old LRAP up there. What's it sound like, calm man? And with that being said, we've got a big game tonight, obviously.

54:40Vikings, Chargers. Tone, where is the money at tonight? The money tonight is on the Vikings, actually. Plus, or sorry, 56 % of the money is on the Vikings tonight. They are plus three and a half or plus three at some places, as far as the line goes. A couple stats for you tonight, okay? I don't know if this is going to deter you or favor any way that you're going tonight. Carson Wentz? The Wentzaholic? The Wentz machine? Yeah, we're going. The Wentz project? Uh-huh. Okay? 7-0 on Thursday Night Football. Wow. Is that good? Hold on, though. We've got a bit of an immovable object versus the unstoppable force tonight.

55:19The Vikings on Thursday Night Football? 0-7. Jeez. Wow. What do we do? What are we supposed to do? That's up to you, brother. What are you going to do? I don't know yet. Those are what they would call a trend, right? Oh, yeah. A trend on both sides, though. But double negative makes it a positive. Bango. But there's a swing. Actually, we flatline at zero on this one, so they cancel each other out. So you just got to look at the football. Got to trust my instincts. Okay. And that's when you go to the other side, Jim Harbaugh, I believe is 4-0 on short weeks. He's 4-0. I don't know if it's on Thursday Night Football, if it's on like a Sunday and then to Monday.

55:55Yeah, here it is. The Chargers are 4-0 against the spread on short rest under Jim Harbaugh. Now, short rest, I don't know, but this definitely would be short rest. So maybe that's kind of the one that puts it over the goal line per se. I'm not too sure, but I do know Big Mike McCarthy, who's not on today, he's on tomorrow. He will send us his pick before the end of the show as well. Before the end of the show today, we will know Big Mike's pick. Yes. Okay, because that definitely informs me on where I'm going to go because of Big Mike and his football prowess, I believe, if he was picking games, he would be like 6-1 now or 5-1.

56:29Something crazy. 5-2, I think. He's a Pittsburgh guy. You know, had a goal. Got to go back home, right? Got to go back home. Wouldn't it be nice? It could be a good night for the green and goal. We got a hard out here coming here shortly, but we got Kirk Herbstreet joining us in the next hour, about 1.20, I believe. He'll preview the game. I know he's out there. I think he has a pack of wild dogs with him. Really? Maybe not wild, but I think Peter, Mitch, Jimmy, Bob. I think everybody's there. D is there. I don't know. But you know what? Take three. We'll be right back, everybody.

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58:07Thursday, October 23rd. I'm AJ Hawk sitting in for Pat. He's out on special assignment today. Shams joined us the first hour. Kirk will be joining us the second. Football! It always rules the day here around the Pat McAfee Show. We love football at all different levels, but we also love the other sports that are going on. And we know Con Man last night, I believe the association had a pretty big night, didn't they? Yeah, it was fantastic. For basketball fans. Yeah, fantastic night for the NBA last night. Knicks Cavs kind of kicked us off on ESPN. Knicks Carl Anthony Towns, doubtful. Then he was playing, then he wasn't.

58:42He played great. They took care of business. What was wrong with him? He had a, was it groin or knee, Bruce? A quad. He was questionable with a grade two quad. Game one. Yeah, there he is. Like a warrior. Yeah, between the knee and groin. I knew it was somewhere in there. But yeah, they played very well. 76 are Celtics. Celtics without Tatum. They put up a fight, but the rookie who stole the show right there on the second tab, Vijay Edgecomb, 34 points, seven rebounds, and three assists to kind of steal the night when it comes to rookie performances. He was amazing. Him and Tyrese Maxey seemed to be the new duo on the Sixers.

59:21Embiid only played about 20 minutes. He really didn't have too much of an effect on the game. But yeah, this kid is unbelievable. We are possibly looking at kind of a new look Sixers with two of the better, you know, players in the backcourt. And I'm saying two of the better players. It's been one game. I know I'll relax a little bit. But just from watching it, this kid is unbelievable. And 77 on a rookie. I thought it looked like. Looks awesome, actually. Yeah, yeah. Really liking it. Then he starts playing. It's like, oh, 77 on a rookie basketball player is incredible. So definitely someone to watch as we look forward to.

59:57But the player to watch is Wemby. And Cooper Flagg had a double-double in his debut. Kind of awesome. I believe he's the youngest player with a double-double in the history of the NBA. But Wemby, I mean, this is entering not fair territory. If Wemby stays healthy, he will be just a historic winning all the awards player. It looks like he's dunking on an eight-foot rim. The real problem is he's not lumbering up and down the court. He's actually sprinting. I mean, yeah, pump fake, pass, right back. Yeah, try and block me. You can't. He had 40 points, 15 rebounds, and an assist. I believe he was 15-21 from the field, 9-11 from free throws.

1:00:43I mean, it just wasn't fair. He's doing stuff that – 7 '4", right? 7 '4", listed. A lot of people are saying he's 7 '7". Now, Boban, who's on ESPN, he said, hey, look, I'm 7 '4". I'm looking up at Wemby so he's not 7-4 he went bananas Cooper flag obviously a story but with what Wemby did it's hard to imagine the Spurs not being a 50 win team and being a real player here if Wemby stays healthy but again you look at his injuries he didn't have a soft tissue injury last year as a blood clot so saying that well he can't stay healthy he gets these injuries that's not true but yeah like that dunk right there Well, I was just going to say that up and under.

1:01:26He's got to watch that. He's so damn big. He's going to get called for a travel. He's not even trying to. He's jumping, but his feet are going to be on the ground on that up and under. But it is. It's all this ball handling and step back threes. I mean, I know that one. That one went around there. It's like you're watching a different sport when you watch him play. It's like you're watching a different species. That's a better way of putting it. That's true. Yeah, and Bruce made a great point. You really can't contest his shots because if you do, because of how big he is, he's going to land much, much further in front of the three-point line, and he's going to get and ones just like that.

1:01:58But even stuff like this, we're talking about the Mavericks. Anthony Davis has won Defensive Player of the Year, and he really can't do anything. He's one of those players that everyone says AD can cover anybody. Wemby is legitimately a foot taller than Anthony Davis, or at least that's how it looks. Like, Anthony Davis can't jump with Wemby because if he does, all of a sudden, you know, he's going to foul him. And guess what? Wemby is going to dunk the ball. There it is on the bottom there. He's the first player to score 40-15 with at least 75 % shooting and zero turnovers in a game since turnovers were ever tracked.

1:02:37I don't know when that started, probably after Michael Jordan, but still. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's true. That's true. But Wemby is just an absolute specimen. I mean, it's one of those things where I hope there's 50 primetime San Antonio games. His MVP odds yesterday went from – they're anywhere from like plus 950 to plus 1250 I saw, which is, if you don't know, it's$100 to win$900 or$100 to win$1 ,200. They went from that to plus 300. He is now the second in the MVP odds, only behind SGA. I know Connor mentioned what 50 wins. Are they going to be able to make a run in the playoffs? Are they a solid basketball team?

1:03:15Yeah, it's not just him. They have Castle, who was Rookie of the Year. They had back-to-back Rookies of the Year, so that was pretty good for them. They traded for De 'Aaron Fox last year. He did not play last night. New coach is getting great pub, too. They had a mic'd up of him, right, in the huddle? And then they got – who's the rookie they got? Ron Harper, too. Yeah, Ron Harper's kid. Yeah, they're a good basketball team. Yeah, Ron Harper's kid came off the bench. He had 15 points. Harrison Barnes. Yeah, Harrison Barnes. Yeah, like they are all of a sudden – and not all of a sudden because it's kind of been like this with Wemby for a few years now where it's like, hey, just wait.

1:03:46This kid is going to be unbelievable. And now this is what happens. He starts the season with 40 and 15 against a multi-defensive part of the year, Anthony Davis. So it's seriously one of those same situations. Like, hey, if they're healthy, they are going to be unbelievable this year. They're one of these teams, perennially, too, who if they're good around the trade deadline, you find one superstar who's unhappy somewhere, they'll be brought up in conversation because it's like, hey, they have Wemby. He's healthy. If we can get a little more scoring or whatever it is they need at that point, they can be legitimate title contenders.

1:04:21Yeah, and I saw people on the internet saying LeBron going there would be cool. When I say people, I was just talking about me. I'm really hoping LeBron goes there just because the Spurs are one of those teams. It's very similar to the Packers. They're kind of the Packers of the NBA. They're always good. Even when they lose legends, they have a next guy up. Now, I don't want to go into detail about how the Spurs got the number one pick when Wemby was the number one prospect and they've gotten three straight. It's the lottery, right? The ball's come out of the machine. Listen, the NBA's gone through too much there.

1:04:52Yeah, you're right. They're dealing with a lot today. But Wemby being there, it's perfect. Like him being a Spur, him growing up in France with Tony Parker being a Spur and him being a massive Spurs fan. Like it is incredible that we're here at this point now, a few years into it, where it's not a situation and not to dunk on him or shit on him, but not a situation like Zion where Zion, ton of hype, everyone's still excited about him. I'm still excited about him right now. But Wemby has already kind of arrived as like, yeah, this guy's a stud. I mean, he trained with monks in the offseason, so he got the whole entire zen.

1:05:28He's doing kicks, and that's a big thing too as far as him not – seriously, him not being worried about a hammy or a foot like you normally see with that. But then here's the other side of it. He trained with KG. So kind of the double, both sides of the basketball coin, Zen and also like a massive, you're going to eat my shit mentality like Kevin Garnett had. It's one of those possible perfect storms where we might have a true, you know, change of the guard. We've been talking about the face of the league. If this keeps happening, forget everything else. Like, Wemby will be the guy when LeBron is done, and hopefully LeBron still has, you know, five years left.

1:06:09How old is Wemby? 22. That's it. I think. I mean, Wemby could put on. He's 21. 21, excuse me. Which is wild to think of. He could, not easily, but if this dude, in one year or two years, if he wanted, just growing into his body, he could put on 40 pounds of muscle. He can't, though. That's how these guys end up. I mean, like, I would agree, but that's how these guys get hurt, and they get the foot issues, and then it's like, because that is, I mean, if you're 7 '7", if he breaks one bone in his foot, like, it's just, you know, we saw it with Greg Oden. We saw it with a bunch of these guys. Holmgren's rookie.

1:06:40Yeah, exactly. Chet Holmgren. Like, that's what he almost needs to be that exact build to kind of maximize. I mean, obviously put a little bit of weight on, but, like, you're that big. You really can't put that much weight on. Giannis is not as tall of him, but Giannis is, what, 7 '0"? Yeah. Like, he came in as skinny as Wemby, and then he's, like, super muscular. You just grow into it. You kind of get your man strength, even if he's not trying. Watching him mature over the years will be awesome to see. Imagine him shouldering people, too. Yeah, exactly. He's already doing it. And J.J. Redick talking about him before J.J.

1:07:13Redick was coaching kind of mentioned how he's already, as far as maturity, he's already there. He's 21, but he's hanging out with monks, and he's training with Kevin Garnett. He's not taking this not seriously at all. But then even on the broadcast, they mentioned he has actually put on weight. Like, it's just one of those things where, you know, like, like, like seven, seven, seven. Yeah. It's like Kevin Durant almost. It's like, Hey, Kevin, Kevin Durant's been in the gym, you know, working out, but then you see him and it's like, well, how come he doesn't have huge muscles like Giannis or like LeBron.

1:07:44And I think that's kind of the comparison here with Wemby is more so like Kevin Durant. When Kevin Durant first came in, they said, Hey, you're not going to be able to succeed with that type of build. Couldn't do 135. Yeah. Bingo. He couldn't bench 135. I remember that. Yeah. Like that was the big story. He's screwed. obviously now, 15 years later, Kevin Durant's one of the greatest scorers in the history of the NBA. Wemby now is kind of on that sort of trajectory, and it's sweet just being able to kind of talk about and celebrate this with everything going on in the NBA just because with everything that has happened this morning, that's hogged it.

1:08:17But Wemby last night is very much worth talking about and spotlighting just because this is going to be appointment television. Like, for me now, I already favorited the Spurs on my sports app, so I know when they're playing. Like, I want to watch this guy as much as possible when he is healthy, just because if, you know, heaven forbid he does get hurt or anything like that, I will regret not watching him while he was. And the blood clot thing, I mean, that was a scary situation, but then I don't know how you get a handle on it, and then hopefully you're passing. Yeah. That all works. Like David Andrews, he missed an entire NFL season.

1:08:52Yeah, Barmore, he missed an entire NFL season. last year with blood clots, but they made it back a year later, and I think that's a very similar situation here. Well, good. Good luck to Wemby, and he's great for the NBA, especially in times right now that the NBA is facing. Has anything new popped up over the last 30 minutes or so? No, I think it'll probably be over the next 30 minutes based on... People are being arraigned, right? They'll get brought in to the judge, and I guess what presented your charges. Will they get bail? Are they going to be stuck in jail? I don't know. I would imagine they'd post bail, but maybe not.

1:09:21Who knows? We're going to find out yeah what a wild story that we're just just scratching the surface aren't we yeah i wonder if there's some players and coaches that are kind of worried kind of scared right now i would assume so yeah me too what if you just attended one of the what i mean there's probably some guys pissed off actually that played in these oh yeah poker games like wait you guys could see my whole cards like you could there's a reason i lost every single time maybe i'm not a terrible poker player yeah exactly like i'm sure a lot of people this morning are finding out they've they got screwed over during these games oh man well we're gonna pivot because uh we know nfl is king around here on this show.

1:09:52Thank you, Wemby, and what you're doing and everyone else in the NBA. I know guys are starting out hot. We have, what, 81 games to go for most teams, right? That's right. The Pacers, we got a finals rematch on ESPN tonight. It's OKC at the Pacers, and then the late game is Golden State at, or sorry, the Nuggets at the Warriors. I like that Nuggets-Warriors game. Both those games are good. Debuts for the Pacers and Nuggets. We'll take that. We want to pivot quickly to the NFL. Lamar Jackson, guys, I believe he is practicing. That is all reported show that today was today his first day of practice yesterday yesterday's first day Wednesday Thursday he's going to practice today I guess they'll check him out see how he's doing Ty when you think about this I know you're you and Shefty you know you do your the Shefty podcast together uh what does he does he have anything more on this uh he pretty much said this morning that Lamar Jackson came out I think 20 minutes late to practice yesterday and he talked to sources inside the building who basically said like hey this isn't this still isn't a sure thing that he He's going to go on Sunday.

1:10:53We want to see where he's at after today's practice, and then that'll give them a much better feel. And I kind of just asked him, well, at one and five, the Ravens don't really have a choice. They kind of have to start Lamar. This was their entire plan was, hey, after the bye week, our schedule gets a little bit softer. So they need him to go. But then Shefty also brought up, he said, hey, so this is two weeks plus a bye and then one additional practice that Lamar Jackson missed. He said, you know, Jaden Daniels basically has the almost exact same injury right now or very similar, and everyone's body's different.

1:11:31But he said, you know, the commanders have the teeth of their schedule coming up. So if you look at it, it's like, could he miss the most important stretch of their season? Maybe so. And Jaden is out. They've already ruled him out for a Monday night game against the Chiefs. Obviously, that's a big one, playing the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes and what they are doing. But for Jayden to be out already, man, that's a big blow. You cannot, like, if you're a Ravens fan or the Ravens team, like, you can't lose another one. Like, you can't lose this one. You can't go one and six. No. I mean, one and five is a tough hole to dig in.

1:12:04One and five is a tough hole. One and six, like, then there's no room for it. Because what, nine and, I guess, ten and seven, nine and eight. Like, the people have got into the playoffs, but not with, like, not with the way the AFC East, to the top of the AFC East, top of the AFC South is looking right now. They can't afford to lose any more games. And that's also assuming that everything goes perfect. All of a sudden the defense starts holding teams to 14 points a game and their offense comes up. Yeah, there is no room for error. So that's why it's like even if he's at 60%, you almost have to play Lamar on Sunday.

1:12:35Not to mention, to Tony's point, if we pull up the records of the entire league right now, you look around, especially in that wild card race, it's so tight where one in six might be too big of a hole you know like b.a. was on here this week talking about how the bangles are going to get it going you got two teams in the afc south the jags we all still believe in and then look at the afc west like the chargers are playing tonight and the chiefs are the chiefs you know so do we think the chargers are going to collapse and completely blow up their season to the point where you know they're 10 and 7 i i just don't know just because the faith in Harbaugh and even the same thing with the Bills like you fully expect the Bills to turn it around and go yeah me too so looking at that right now I think like if you're the Ravens I don't even know like you're I don't think you're trying to get a wild card because I mean you're obviously behind those three AFC West teams the two AFC South teams the two AFC East teams like you literally have to hope that the the Steelers uh aren't as good as their record is right now and you win the North like I think winning the North is the only way probably the Ravens get in right now I mean the Ravens just trying to get a win they're trying to get one Yes, yes.

1:13:40Let's go 1-0 this week, the old cliche situation. What did you think about, I mean, you were on with us, but now a day later just about the veterans. Taking the toys out? Yeah. I get it. I mean, I would assume that the veterans were pissed off at how maybe some young guys were handling things that they weren't being a pro. You know, that's the whole thing. Like, be a pro. And being a pro is no secret. Like, show up on time. Don't be late to meetings. Do what you say you're going to do. Like, be accountable to your teammates. And just do the right thing. So I'd assume, I don't know, little things were slipping here and there.

1:14:12I don't know, guys. I guess I could see it. See, I never really played in a locker room that had even ping pong tables. And when I was in Green Bay for nine years, we didn't have anything. We had like the little guys would play the little roll the dice game. What is it? Not cribbage. They played cribbage. Yahtzee? And other ones. No, not Yahtzee. Love that. That's what I thought of before. But no, I don't know. Oh, no? They all talk about it. I never played it. We didn't have any games like that. So I don't know. But I understand vets wanting to get stuff out of there. if they feel like young guys maybe can't handle it.

1:14:39You guys think this is Disneyland here. We're 1-5 right now. We're a terrible football team. Yeah, Keith Bullock had a hysterical tweet about, and I don't think we have it, but it was just about how, yeah, we do actually. It's essentially just, where is it? Yeah, in 2005 we were terrible, 4-12. Young, what is it? Young Cats. Yeah, Young Cats was always playing Mario Kart or some shit in the locker room during break one time. they pause the game to play where they left off after practice man i broke that system to pieces fuck that video game we out here losing like that type of stuff reading that is when it's like okay i i could see uh you know not a marlon humphrey but a calvin noi going in there like hey i don't know why we're still dicking around with all this stuff like get it out of here but like does does that feel a little bit like an overreaction maybe get some of the things out like i don't know it's Probably a couple weeks in the making.

1:15:36Whoever the vets were, we're talking about it. Hey, man, we can get this stuff out of here. These guys don't know. They don't know what it's like. They don't know how to prepare, something like that. Anytime you're losing, you're going to do something. You're going to change something. You're going to figure it out. Oh, I got to put white laces in my cleats this week. That's going to make us win. We don't know. One guy that does know, Tone, that does understand what it means to win, we got him on the line here. He's going to be on the call tonight. Huge game, obviously. Vikings at Chargers from SoFi.

1:16:00Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Kirk Herbstreit. Yeah. Happy. What's up, boys? How we doing? We're doing great, Kirk. What's it like out there? Obviously, we know your travels are documented throughout every single week. It's unbelievable. I know I think Peter, Mitch, you've got multiple dogs making the trip this week. I don't know if they're with you now. I don't know if they're joining you, game day, whatever it might be. But what's it like out there? And what was it like, I assume, you talked to both these coaching staffs? Yeah, Peter's with me right now. We're flying back to Nashville tonight after the game with game day and Vandy.

1:16:31And I'm going to first time bring the other guys out to say hello to some people on Saturday. But this game is interesting. You know, Minnesota is a team that I think we're all very excited about what they can be and who they can be this year. I see your photo there of Carson Wentz. That was a big question. Was J.J. McCarthy, was his ankle going to be ready to go? Would they green light him this week or maybe wait another week? Turns out Carson will continue to go. he's two and two as a starter filling in for jj mccarthy um and yet i mean they've had offensive line injuries just like a lot of teams at this point you guys know what it's like following your teams and just the entire league we get to this point in the season but some have been hit a lot harder than others and these are two really good examples of teams that are just trying to hold on trying to survive um and getting a little healthier um but uh you know the chargers started 3-0.

1:17:28They've lost three of their last four. They're reeling a bit. And a big opportunity after an incredibly disappointing game as you guys saw against Jonathan Taylor and the Colts. They did really anything they wanted to offensively against the Chargers defense, whether it was running or Daniel Jones making good decisions. That's a whole different story. I know you guys are enjoying what Indy's been about. But the Chargers are reeling and sometimes when you're reeling AJ, you probably lived this. Sometimes those short weeks that are often dreaded by players, sometimes you're looking forward to just getting back out there and trying to get that bad taste out of your mouth.

1:18:05My sense is that's kind of where the Chargers' defense is. Yeah, I would assume. I think any time you get beat, you cannot wait to get back out there and try to figure things out and make it right, I guess. When you watch this Chargers' offense and defense play, I guess, but their offense specifically, you said they've lost three out of the last four. Like, what's going on with them? What do they have to do, I guess, to turn this thing around tonight? Well, I just talked to Greg Roman this morning, the offensive coordinator, and their entire investment of this offseason was to get better in the backfield.

1:18:40And they got O'Marion Hampton from North Carolina and brought Najee Harris over from Pittsburgh. They just thought they wanted to get back to being a great running team, take some of the heat off of the passing game and Justin Herbert. And then Slater gets hurt in camp. Rashawn Slater, one of the best left tackles in the game, gets hurt in camp. And now that was a massive blow to just their culture, their DNA. So they took Joe Alt, who's a stud from Notre Dame at right tackle. They had to move him over to left tackle. And that really impacted things, I think. And then he gets hurt. So they've been playing like their fifth and sixth offensive tackle in recent weeks.

1:19:20And yet they're still a top five offense. So they went from being, hey, let's run the football, let's get two tight ends, you know, and then we'll take it off of Herbert. As you see in that photo or that video there, Herbert's gotten hit more than any quarterback in the entire league because they've had to abort who they want to be, their identity, which is running the ball, and let Herbert complement the running game. They've gone back to who they were as an offense before Harbaugh and Roman got there, which is spread people out and make him throw the tie. I think they were down last week. He threw it 55 times last week, and it's just not who they want to be.

1:19:54So they've been banged up up front at the offensive line. They've lost three of their top four running backs, and so a lot of it has been on all the passing games. So now they go up against Brian Flores and a Vikings defense, as we all know, that loves to pressure and loves to come after you. So it'll be interesting to see kind of the game plan that they come up with to try to negate that pressure package that Flores and the Vikings like to play with. Ty Schmidt, you got something? Yeah, Kirk, you mentioned the quarterback situation, how he didn't maybe know if it was going to be Carson or J.J.

1:20:28Whether it's who you've talked to or kind of just your opinion of the whole thing, what do you think is the ultimate plan, I guess, for the Vikings with their quarterback situation? A lot of people saying the whole J.J. McCarthy is, you know, and they're kind of just going to let Carson find his feet. And then obviously you have what Sam Darnold's doing in Seattle that's kind of just rubbing it in a little bit. But do you have any feel that, hey, if Carson wins, goes out there, looks good tonight, and kind of maybe strings together a couple wins, does he have the chance here to maybe be the Viking starter for the rest of the season, or are they still all gung-ho on J.J.

1:21:08and he'll be back whenever he's, I guess, healthier than he is now? I mean, Ty, you know this division. I mean, your team's in there and you follow it closely. I think what you're alluding to is you almost have to read between the lines. No one is coming out, including O 'Connell, and saying that, hey, here's what we think. I think they're talking strictly about the ankle and his availability. And no one's saying that Carson Wentz, who's 2-2 right now, has a chance to be the guy. I will say this. I know J.J. McCarthy in that opener against Chicago didn't play great. He had that nice quarter late to be able to pull out a win.

1:21:50But if you guys go back to that game, the reason I've been a big fan of J.J. McCarthy's is the juice that he brings, the way his team believes in him. And if you saw the reaction that night, you had defensive players coming down. You had J.J. or Justin Jefferson. Everybody responds to him. So I think there's a lot there to like. I think there's a lot there to think about the potential of what he and this offense can be with him as a starting quarterback. But I think what you're alluding to is fair. I mean, what if Carson Wentz goes out tonight and just plays awesome? What if he's hitting everything, making good decisions, not turning the ball over, and they get out with a win?

1:22:31And then next week, they're going to ask Kevin O 'Connell, what's going on with the ankle? Is J.J. McCarthy? because it sounded like it was almost right on the edge of being able to pull the trigger and play him this week. So if that's the case, you get a mini-bye on a Thursday night game for next Sunday. Why wouldn't he be ready to go next week regardless of what Carson Wentz does if he's your guy? Now I step back for a second. When you have a high ankle sprain, you're getting mental reps, but you're not – think about in two years. Forget playing. he hasn't gotten practice just developmental practice of getting reps and you just wonder how much that has slowed down his potential growth so i don't know i don't think it's jj mccarthy's a miss on a draft pick i think it's more of we got this guy carson wentz that's functioning pretty well we got our other guy that we think is going to be the guy but he's not even on the practice field so how do we go from a guy who's let's say three and two as a starter to a guy that's not had any reps.

1:23:34I don't know. I understand kind of the spot that he's in right now as a head coach and play caller. But I think it's a fair discussion for Minnesota media and fans to wonder where is this heading two weeks from now, three weeks from now. Are we waiting for Carson Wentz to implode and then you go to J.J. McCarthy or does it not even matter what Wentz does? at some point they're going to go to their guy because they believe in him, despite not getting a whole lot of reps. Yeah, Kirk, when you watch this Vikings team, obviously you talk to Kevin O 'Connell. What separates him as a coach? We know, like Bill was saying, you can plug anybody in there at QB, it feels like, and Kevin O 'Connell is going to get them right.

1:24:14He's going to give them a good chance to be successful. From talking to him and watching him, what is it that makes him special? um i think it's just you always hear that saying quarterback friendly offense i think it's because of the way they attack they don't put it all on the quarterback they run the football typically when they're healthy and by the way aaron jones will be back tonight which is a massive deal when they picked up jordan mason last year from san francisco what they envision is taking some of the heat off of aaron jones and letting them be a tandem and a combination and so you have that now with him coming back.

1:24:53So I think that's great. But I think the reason these Kirk Cousins and what we've seen under Kevin O 'Connell with Sam Darnold, the reason he's able to do that is because you've got great personnel around the position. They don't put everything on the quarterback. They run the ball. They boot. They naked. They play action. Their drop-back game is rhythmic, timing, get the ball out. They give you answers as a quarterback. So I think he's one of the better play callers in my opinion in the NFL and does as good a job as anybody at diagnosing a defense and knowing how to attack it and finding its weaknesses so you got a Chargers defense it's it's more than capable playing better than they have in recent weeks I think they've lost a little bit of their mojo and confidence and like I said earlier I think a short week getting Khalil Mack back you know he played 12 snaps last week just as a pass rusher and meanwhile even at 34 years old he still sets the edge and is really physical.

1:25:47Denzel Perryman came back last week. So I think some pieces are coming back. But to answer your question, I just think Kevin O 'Connell does a really good job of providing answers and not making the quarterback feel like we're going to go as you go. You know, I think there's enough weapons around that position. Think about it. You got Justin Jefferson, arguably the top receiver in the entire league on one side, Jordan Addison on the other. You got TJ Hawkinson, who's getting more and more healthier as far as that ACL he's recovering from. Jalen Naylor. You got Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones. I mean, there's a lot there.

1:26:23And I think it makes the quarterback feel like, okay, I don't have to feel like I got to play Superman ball for us to be able to move the football. And if you watch Sam Darnold last year, he'd get back one hitch, balls out. You know, he gives these quarterbacks confidence because he gives them answers. Yeah, I think we're all excited to watch the Carson Wentz experience tonight. We know that that guy's going to have a few extended plays where he stumbles around, he finds a way, and who knows, maybe it'll be a 70-yard completion. Maybe something else may happen, Kirk. We're going to pivot. Tony Diggs got something about college football he wants to question you on.

1:26:58Yeah, Kirk, I saw your top five. I love your top five. You have the four undefeated teams, obviously, Ohio State, Indiana, A &M, Georgia Tech. Then you put Bama at five, your first non-undefeated team. BYU is going to be pissed at you. I know they are. But I wanted to ask you about just the top 25 in the rankings in general. Because when it comes to the college football playoff and they're not going to do their rankings, I believe it's early November that they do theirs. They're going to use, I think there's seven or eight teams that were in the top 25 week one who are not in the top 25 now. And they're going to use those week one wins against top 25 teams as a metric.

1:27:35Are you someone that, because there's a lot of people now talking, hey, hey, we shouldn't do rankings until at least October, stuff like that. Where do you fall in all of this and then counting those top 25 wins early in the season for the college football playoff down the line? I don't think anybody looks at Ohio State, at least I don't think the committee should look at Ohio State as an example beating Texas and say, hey, they were the number, whatever they were, one or two teams in a country. I think if you're sitting there on that committee, that's part of your job. and the reason we don't just rely on computers is for them to look at, okay, Texas is now down at 22.

1:28:12That doesn't mean Texas couldn't slide up by the end of the year, but for now that wind doesn't feel as heavy as it did in the opening week. I'm a fan of preseason rankings. I'm a Reds fan. I see AJ's hog. Baseball season is typically over for me, usually well before the 4th of July, so I'm jonesing for some news and some stuff to talk about. So if the AP poll comes out in the second or third week in August and gets us to get excited about college football, I personally have no problem with it. I have the ability to look at a preseason poll. And after five weeks of football, six, seven weeks, I don't even know what happened in the preseason.

1:28:50I don't give a shit about the preseason. I'm watching football like right now. Like I watch every single week and I have opinions that change. And, oh, that's the team I thought they were. You know, I guess they're not that team. Penn State is an example of that. or a team like BYU. You know, they lose their quarterback in the middle of camp and they got to find a freshman, Bear Bachmeier, who no one really knew what he could do. And all of a sudden, wow, look at BYU. You know, am I going to hold on to my preseason thoughts on week one rankings of BYU? No, no, no. It's like, no, of course not.

1:29:22I'm looking at BYU kicking ass, taking names and what they've done over the last five or six weeks. So I think it's a lot of just nothing else to talk about. Let's talk about how unfair preseason polls are. I don't have any issue with them at all. I think we can all adjust accordingly to actually watching football. And the teams that end up being overrated, they think in the rankings, or they drop out. And I don't think the committee gets caught up in preseason rankings at all when it comes to eventually early November after eight or nine weeks by then of football of where they're going to stack those teams.

1:29:59Good. Kirk, what about you? You had some hot takes about Indiana and their Adidas uniforms. Have you come around on that at all? Has anyone come at you a little bit? I don't know. What do you think? So did you, AJ. Yeah, I kind of co-signed with you, Kirk. Yeah, well, I see your shirt there, your hoodie you got on. I made it pretty clear. I just – I had nothing – bro, I got nothing against Adidas. I don't – I'm – you know, when I was younger, I was incredibly loyal and just an all-about-Nike guy, thanks to growing up in the Michael Jordan era. But I'm not as passionate about it, but I know what I see.

1:30:37I know when I look at a uniform, if a uniform is tight, if it looks good. You know what recruits see too, Kirk? You know what these high school recruits are watching that too. Well, again, I don't know. High school recruit, I don't know what's cool. Well, the fit, though. You know, like it's true. It's got to fit. So my brother played at Miami, Ohio, and Ohio U. He said they came out to warm-ups when they played big teams. They played Michigan, I believe, Ohio State once. He said they talked about – yeah, Iowa. He said they came out to warm-ups and they were like – him and his teammates said, look how tight their jerseys are.

1:31:07Look how their pants actually fit. Like they talked about how nice it all fit them and how like it looked. Remember when you played on the We Elks? Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. Come on. And there was a couple guys on the team that like in fifth grade, Their pants just weren't working. They were almost down to their calves, just too big and baggy. That's what the Adidas uniform looks like to me. It looks like the Little League uniform where the kids just don't quite fit into their uniform. And, again, it's nothing against Adidas. I don't know anybody from Adidas. I have no loyalty to anybody.

1:31:41I'm just going by what I see, and what I see is just not a good uniform. We get it. We get it. Calm in. you got something? Yeah, Kirk, unfortunately it doesn't matter because Mendoza's spinning the pill in that uniform, so I don't think they really care. Bro, I got him. I had him at one last week in the country and it's just, Ohio State's been so consistent. It's hard to not have them at one based on their potential. But Indiana, what they did at Oregon, in 60 minutes they impressed me than anything. The culmination of all they did last year and all they did this year up to that game. They completely won me over and everybody over, if you watched them, going into Eugene and winning that game.

1:32:25So they're legit. They're real. The city exploded after that game, and they won, especially with what the Colts are doing now, Kirk. But something kind of came through the wire today. An SEC ref, Ken Williamson, was permanently suspended. The decision to remove the longtime referee comes in the immediate wake of an SEC review of 11 complaints. against Williamson from the Auburn-Georgia game. Now, I believe it was last year on Thursday Night Football, you were calling the Vikings game against the Rams in L.A., and that game kind of ended controversially with the face mask of Darnold. I don't know if it was Thursday Night Football, but it might have.

1:33:07It was, yeah. Okay, yeah, I thought so. Something like this seems to be incredibly forward-thinking, if you will, when it comes to the referee situation, and there's been others as well. But when you see something like this that the SEC is doing, do you think that is something that will ever be kind of universally done by sports, not just the NFL, not just college football, but all sports across the board? You know, the MLB umpire during the Blue Jays-Mariners game was kind of scrutinized for the same pitch, one being called a ball, the other being called a strike. and then there are situations that pop up all over when it comes to refs in sports.

1:33:51What do you kind of think about that situation? And also, real quick, thanks for coming on and talking to the Bugle Boys. We know this show sucks without Pat, so you coming on actually makes it much better. We very much appreciate that, Kirk. Man, I'll join you guys at any time. I love you guys. I would say, I don't know how you feel about this, Connor. I look at this where I don't mind the bang-bang play at first base without going to replay. I don't mind the human error. I don't mind, and I've had my teams that I cheer for get the bad end of that, but I think there are certain calls that I think that's part of the game, where before the replay where a guy makes a call in a gray area and it could go this way or that way and it goes against you and it's the end of the world.

1:34:40With that being said, that's kind of like the way I always grew up. It's part of the game. I hate blaming referees or umpires for games. But with that being said, I do think that if a guy has consistently had rough outings where a league or a conference has to call a coach or call an athletic director and basically apologize for a miss, and that happens at a regular rate, then I think this is, as you said, groundbreaking. Can you guys remember anything like this? No, no. Where a guy in the middle of a season is asked to take a seat? I've never heard of anything like that. I think it's holding, you talk about holding players and coaches and everybody accountable.

1:35:34Referees have always never really had to deal with that, maybe in the offseason, but not in season. so I think it's an eye-opener I'm a referee guy I'm pro-refere I think fans get way too emotional about it but I'm interested to see what this leads to if we end up this is kind of like that first example and now you start to see it more and more not just in college football but all around sports Kirk, I don't know if you saw you don't have to dive into it we're going to let you roll here in a second NBA's dealing with some stuff some stuff we haven't seen in a long time Like, this is wild, isn't it?

1:36:10Yeah. I don't know. I've been digging into this game, so I don't know. I've just seen some of the headlines. You guys can shed some light. There was mafia involved, I saw. A close to no stuff. Yeah, yeah. Chauncey Billups allegedly, they're being arraigned today, was what Chauncey Billups allegedly kind of fixing illegal poker games. and A.J. made the point like it's already an illegal game and then they're doing illegal stuff on top of it. And then Terry Rozier is more so allegedly. That's actually on the court, right? Yeah, Terry's on the court. Yeah, similar to Jonte Porter, if you remember, from the Raptors last year.

1:36:53Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of people with the access to, at least the sports betting, not the stuff going on with a card game, but the sports betting stuff, I think a lot of people have been alluding to the slippery slope and how this could very easily lead to some issues. And maybe this will be something that sends a clear message to people who are watching. And, you know, you've got to be super careful with what you're doing. And, yeah, it's just anything that happens in the news, nothing necessarily really, I think, surprises any of us. We're just so used to one thing after another.

1:37:31It takes a lot for us to all say, holy cow, can you believe this? but this one definitely makes you think how deep does it go? Is this going to be a domino effect potentially? And are there other people out there that maybe go down as well? But I hate to see it. I think it's awful. Yeah, I'm sure the league is scrambling behind the scenes, obviously trying to figure everything out right now. Kirk, we know you will be on the call tonight. Obviously Vikings at Chargers and then flying tomorrow, Missouri at Vanderbilt. You pumped for tomorrow especially, Kirk? I am. I'm looking forward to it. I think one time I've lived in Nashville since 2011.

1:38:12The one time we were there for the show was 2008 when I was still living in UA. And so it's been a long time since we've been there. But Diego Pavia and Clark Lee have created that. And by the way, Missouri needs to be a big part of I mean, they're a top 15 team coming off a tough loss last week. but I think they're a team that's fired up from listening to their coach. Drink seems to be playing the disrespect card, but they're going to come in ready to roll. And then I fly to Baton Rouge after game day, so it seems like a home game, but I've got to go down to Baton Rouge. Not have to, I get to go down to Baton Rouge for Texas A &M, who I think is three, if I'm not mistaken, against an LSU team that already has a couple losses.

1:38:55They're in desperation mode for a win. So I'll be calling that one Saturday night with Chris and Holly and our crew on ABC. How about these ABC games, guys, every single week? What's Baton Rouge like at night, Kirk? I've never been there even during it ever. That's got to be an amazing environment. You've got to bring your boys down there for that and your wife. I mean, you guys would love it just because you're football crazy people. I mean, just to be able to take it in and see it, you're splitting hairs when you talk about the shoe at night if Ohio State's playing Northwestern versus when they're playing a team that's a top five team, you know the difference and LSU, all these places are the same way it's deafening, the whiteout, LSU at night especially right now when they're playing the number three team in a country it's awesome, you can smell bourbon in the air you can smell the smokers outside are cooking It's a very festive, different kind of atmosphere that I love going to every single time we get a chance to get down there.

1:39:59Yeah, that's someplace I'll hopefully get to at some point. But, Kirk, enjoy the game tonight. We will all be watching you and Al enjoy your halftime meal. I know Al gets great food for you guys out there. It should be a fun 12 minutes before. I know NFL halftime is only about 12 minutes. It's tough. It's tough for you guys. In college, 20 minutes is probably much easier for Al to eat if he was doing those games. But thanks again, Kirk. Ladies and gentlemen, Kurt Herbstreit. Yay! Kurt!

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1:41:23Yeah, he's got a, Kirk's got a pretty good travel situation going on throughout the week. So he usually leaves Wednesday every week. He's had a, he's had a lot of, he's been to Seattle, LA. If you like, he's had a lot of, yes. He's not even, yeah, he's not even calling like game day. He's had a couple NFL games, West coast, Oregon, West coast, where he has then had his game East coast or whatever. He's the schedule hasn't really fared him yet. What year is this for him doing a Thursday night prime? I think he said four. It's pretty awesome. He doesn't feel that long. Wemby's in his third year, right?

1:41:58That doesn't feel like that. I feel like I've watched him get drafted a week ago. It's even like when we talked about Zion and John Moran yesterday. It's like you think these guys are about to be 30, and then you realize they're 25 and 26. So much of the time, I feel like just because we were in it every day, the time feels like it goes by a little faster, And then when you look at, like, the actual years when these kids were these kids. But Zion and John. Yeah, they are kids compared to me, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And it's just insane. But, I mean, the fourth year now, too, like, good for them finally getting good game after good game.

1:42:33They really went through the bullshit, terrible prime time for a while. Was Prime doing a deal when they were – was it Prime when they were doing the whole color rush situation? No, that was NFL Network. I think I played in the first Thursday night NFL game. We played the Cowboys, 2000-something. Aaron stepped in. Was that the first one they ever did? What did you wear for Color Rush? I don't know if it was the first one. But I remember, yeah, Favre getting hurt, and he came in. Aaron came in and played great. The Cowboys ended up winning, but it was a Thursday night. There's that clip of Collinsworth being like, boy, Aaron's in trouble if he's got to play.

1:43:04Yeah, then Aaron came in and was slinging it. Yeah, they're like two touchdowns, and yeah, he looked great. Here we are, 17 years later. Aaron is playing his old squad. Packers are coming to town, coming to Pittsburgh to play Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe Aaron's out there talking. Is there animosity, Tony? Is there anything going on? Run that, Foxy. I don't have any animosity toward the organization. Obviously, I wish that things had been better in our last year there, but I have a great relationship with a lot of people still in that organization. This is not a revenge game for me.

1:43:40I'm just excited to see some of those guys and be on Sunday Night Football again. Have your feelings toward the organization evolved the longer you've been away from them, that not feeling animosity? Is that something you kind of had to work to feel, work to get to this point? We're always working on ourselves and trying to be better than we were the previous day, previous month, previous year. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, maybe. You know, I have a lot of great memories from my time there. A lot of great interactions with fans over the years, you know, living in Green Bay, living in Suamico, living in Hobart, going to Chive, being out and about, seeing people at the Piggly Wiggly when I'm shopping for groceries.

1:44:23I grew up there. I spent 18 years there from 21 to 39. So I'm thankful for my time there. Obviously, we'd love to ride off on the sunset after a Super Bowl win, but that's not the way the league goes sometimes. and you know I knew the writing was on the wall when Jordan was picked and as a matter of time I happened to win MVP the first two years he was with us but I knew at some point there would be a change and if I wanted to play it probably have to be elsewhere so I understand the situation what do you think Tone Diggs you uh you believe him no animosity he seems very happy in that clip he does seem very happy he's in a good spot right now um but no why would he have any animosity like Like, yes.

1:45:03Time heals all. Yeah, and it's been a while. Like, I think there was potentially some animosity when the decision was made to leave there. But, yeah, at this point, no. If this game was in Green Bay, it'd be a little different. Yeah. Going back to Lambeau, he mentioned, like, a bunch of landmarks, the Piggly Wiggly. That's the grocery store. Chives, where we went. Yeah, we've been to Chives. Coach with Big Mike. It was great, Chives. That's Aaron's spot always. But, yeah, I don't know. What does he have, Tone Diggs? I do have to say I came on yesterday because it hadn't been announced yet. The Steelers are wearing their yellow helmets with their throwback, but luckily the Packers are wearing all whites.

1:45:39They're going to be having white helmets on, so we don't have double yellow helmet game. So it's color rush for the Packers. Yes. Yeah, pretty much. Color rush for the Packers, Steelers old school throwback. Steelers storm warning. Yeah, second week in a row we have to play a team that's wearing all white. So that's kind of bullshit, I guess. I saw Ben. Ben claims that Aaron's won pick maybe because of that, but then I saw there's a video. It wasn't really anywhere near the white painting on the field. I love Ben standing up for Aaron and for his squad. I really do. Yeah, I think like because there was videos of them talking and meeting on the field during camp and during practices, and I'm sure they've talked about it.

1:46:12But, yeah, I mean, Ben has always respected Aaron. He's going to stand up for the quarterback in the city. Yeah, and it might be from one of those bullshit fake accounts that tweet stuff like ML football and JPD football. But allegedly the Steelers want Rodgers to play in 2026. Actually, no, I think that was from, and I could be wrong, because I did see it from one of those accounts, but they actually gave credit to someone. I think it was Jeremy Fowler, who is a legitimate reporter. And by the way that he's played so far, apparently he's leading meetings on Thursday. He's in front of the room.

1:46:44They do player-led meetings on Thursday, and Aaron's basically leading the team. Right now. Yes, today as we speak. So everything has gone swimmingly as far as Aaron is concerned this year with the team. I mean, four touchdowns against the Bengals, but he couldn't you know joe flacco well he couldn't see he couldn't see that one point yeah of course he did because they painted the walls too yeah you're right that was bull oh you're right a lot of white out i was there i could see how you got confused i can't see that kind of bullshit shenanigans that you guys do over at that city kirk was i i didn't get to ask kirk i was i text him before that game last week i went to the bangles steelers game at pay core stadium in cincinnati i didn't get to see kirk pregame my kids got to go out on the field i was stuck in a traffic jam in a separate car, ride my way into the stadium.

1:47:26So I didn't get to see Kirk on the field. I can't even see the Bengals players in this. Geez, where are they? Is he wide open? Oh, see the walls? Look how white they are. You can barely see. They are white. And the crowd. That's kind of bullshit. Yeah, I don't know if there's a whole lot to stand on with Ben's argument, but I get it. It makes sense. It really does. Why wouldn't you want Aaron back? Look how he's moving around. Look how he feels. and I mean it could easily be okay. Through the ball 70 yards I don't think that's an issue. Yeah bingo. Crow hopping into it. So when Aaron did that that was the longest ball thrown in the NFL or that Aaron's thrown?

1:48:02In the NFL. I first thought that's the longest he's thrown since 2017 when he was playing but no it's everybody in the league. It's not like he got a huge crow hop. He's got like one and a half little crow hop into that and he had a guy kind of right in front of him too. We can't see anything there right? There might be 15 guys Oh, man, that's got to be cheating, isn't it? I mean, this is an absolute huck. It's awesome. They said, what, 70 air yards? But if that thing were to have landed, it would have been a couple yards in the end. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, yeah, if you're him, you know, because you kind of have to take the Achilles year out completely.

1:48:37Like, I think he envisioned that as one of the – And even last year. And even last year with how bad they were. It's like, is he – maybe he's not leading after Stafford through five, but he's top five in the NFL in touchdown passes right now. He clearly can still play. And for all intents and purposes, he's loved being in Pittsburgh so far. He loves all of his teammates. He obviously loves Coach Tomlin. So, yeah, if he can stay healthy, why not? Basically play until you feel like if he goes out there and physically he feels good and mentally he feels sharp, but then if he's just not able to produce, that's one thing.

1:49:16he's still playing at as high of a level as you could ask. As long as Broderick Jones doesn't kill him. Yeah, there's a chance. I saw Aaron. He's good. Aaron loves his passion, loves it. He gets excited. He said, I'm 41. You can't be tackling me from behind. Yeah, text him and say, hey, I love it. I told Broderick, just punch him in the chest. Get it there and just let it in front of him. He don't want to get tackled from behind. That's the thing. If you like, hey, bomb, punch him in his chest or the stomach, maybe that'll get him very excited, I think. Or maybe punch him in the elbow or the shoulder.

1:49:41There's a little celebration we're all used to. Who's supposed to win this game, Tone? The Packers are favored by three at Pittsburgh. What do you think is going to happen?

1:49:53I think the Packers are – the way that the Steelers' defense is playing, I think the Packers are the better football team, but this is one that the Steelers traditionally win, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did win in this one. Yeah, and Tony knows his Steelers. That was my big takeaway from last week. After the Bengals beat the Steelers, Tony basically said the whole day, like, yeah, this is a game of Steelers loose, so be careful. And I wasn't careful. I thought the Steelers were going to win. Yeah, and quick pivot, the dynamic kickoff situation, I want to make sure we touch on this before the hard out.

1:50:26So the kickoff, what the NFL is claiming that they have this whole thing figured out, right? What are they saying with us? Well, and that's kind of what it seems like. 79.3 % of kickoffs has been returned. Which is what we wanted. We want stuff returned. We want it in play. We want to make it a football play. Yes, you just didn't want it to be kicked through the end zone. and the fact that now it's damn near 80 % of kickoffs are being returned. That's incredible. Highest rates since 2006, 32 returns of at least 40 yards, and that's something that's really changed the game. We've seen situations now where the kickoff has won and lost games, both not being able to get the ball through the back of the end zone and guys being able to return it to the 40, and it's a couple plays, and all of a sudden you're in field goal range.

1:51:08So it does seem as though the dynamic kickoff after a couple years here is the answer. Now the other thing they're working on is the on-site kick thing. I think it was one of 120 on-site kicks have actually been recovered. So now at the owners' meetings, they're kind of playing with, again, the fourth and 15 proposal about doing that as a play instead of the on-site kick. That one's just kind of up in the air. Who knows what happens there? But from the kickoff perspective, I'm kind of used to it now where it doesn't really look that weird. You know exactly what you're getting. I don't know. It still looks kind of weird.

1:51:44Were you on the hands team? Yeah. Like, I mean, I guess it's because of injuries and stuff like that. Like, why can't we just go back to the old onside? We can definitely do the onside because they don't like the running collisions. We've got 30, 40 yards gaining ground, and then, bam, those collisions. That's what I feel like they were taking – that's what's dangerous. Those are the scariest hits. With the onside, what do you have, 10 yards they're running? I was always the front line, so my job was to block the dudes. I'm going to block it, and guess what? Jordy Nelson's standing behind me. Hopefully, I know he's going to get it.

1:52:14So I'm going to go block this dude, but we only have maybe 10 yards between us. That's doable. We don't want 40, 50 yards guys sailor diving and knocking themselves out on the wedge. That's what they wanted to get rid of. I just don't understand why we can't go back to that and why teams have to declare it before they kick it. It's dumb, I think. That's one of the most electric plays in a game, and it's completely been eliminated. Like, you never – or if, like, you're a team that is down by a couple scores, like, you are never thinking, like, oh, there's a chance we're going to recover an onside kick.

1:52:48Like, you're not. You're not going to get it. Hey, before we're hard out, I want to say, I believe we have a graphic with Coach Mike McCarthy's pick for tonight somewhere. And I believe Pat's pick because I'm going to make a pick for the game tonight. We just got done talking to Kirk Herbstreit. I'm not sure. Man, when Big Mike talks about these games, I know he doesn't – Any division rivalries, he's tough. But where's Mike going? Here we go. This is the first time we're seeing this. He's got Vikings plus three and a half. Vikings with the points, I believe. Yeah, I have a little blurb from him here.

1:53:16He said, if the Chargers go out there to Vikings corners like the Eagles did, that could be an issue. Okay. Whoever runs the ball the best and the most will win. The obvious factor is obviously going to be the turnover ratio battle. That's going to factor into the game. Like you mentioned, AJ, it's not a division game, but that's still too many points. That's why he likes the Vikings. Vikings at what? What is that again? Three and a half. Three and a half. They're getting three and a half? Yeah. You know what? Coach Mike, I'm going to take the Vikings as well. I don't know what Pat picked yet.

1:53:47You guys know what Pat picked? I'm not sure. Do we? Oh, okay. Pizza Chargers. That was not, believe me, I had no clue. I will say this, Pat. You're welcome. You can get Chargers minus three. Boom. Okay, you have minus three. That's a big deal. That is a big deal. That is huge. All right. So myself, Coach Mike McCarthy, we are on the Vikings. Pat is on the Chargers. Minus three, yeah. Minus three? Okay. I mean, that four and over hardball. Let's do it, Carson. Yeah, I love it, man. I can't wait to bet on Carson Wentz to throw for 400 yards. Probably not the time to say that, but I can't wait for it to happen.

1:54:18It had been the Dogs as well. They had won, I think, seven of eight until Thursday Night Football last week and when the Bengals continued that. But then Saturday Night Football and then both games on Monday night, the favorites one. I mean, I understand these trends. I understand all of that when it comes to gambling, but in the moment, in the night, when they're out there playing, it has nothing to do with anything. But if you're strictly just going, what, analytics, checking the trends? You gotta let people have all the information. Let them decide. You're a fool not to look at the information.

1:54:49You should look at it, right? How hard do you look at it? If you don't learn from the past, you're doomed to repeat it, AJ. Who said that? I believe that was Albert Einstein. Was it really? Or Thomas jefferson thomas yeah yeah well you never know we don't know we're up against a hard out we're not sure who said anything at any point in the history of this great beautiful country but we will be here tomorrow we appreciate you guys watching see you tomorrow dude well done hog yeah yeah i should have said digital all that stuff i missed all that but you know okay we're talking ball hey and also when you do miss all that that's why nick posts a cool bottom thing because it says it on there thank you nick just in case thank you nick always looking out for me I appreciate you, boys.

1:55:26It was George Centeniana, originally in 1905, and then Winston Churchill made it a little more famous. There it is. Co-opted it. Yep. I mean, those presidents had speechwriters way back in the day. No, they didn't. Going back to the first president, I assume, right? FDR never did. You think George Washington, you fucking prick. You don't know shit about George Washington. You think they had enough ink to be writing with their quills to be? I don't know. I'm just checking. In real time, I'm just asking questions. That came straight from the top of the dome. Yeah, actually, funny enough, there is a sweet new George Washington show coming out on HBO.

1:56:01It's like a whole entire show about George Washington's life. Does it start with the tree? The tree's in it. The cherry tree is there. I think. But it is him basically as a teenager becoming a gentleman. What was he like as a teenager? A dog. A fucking legend. What kind of question is that? I would like to know. I only know George Washington in the present. I want to know George Washington the kid. Watch the series then, dickhead. I will. When's it come out? I'm just hearing about it. Comes out soon. I'm assuming President's Day. It better be. Hopefully he's not too boring, too. We got to. Oh, yeah.

1:56:36George Washington. George Washington. George Washington. George Washington. Good Lord. Christ. I didn't say anything about it. I mean, okay, I think we have something about these speech writers. Who else do you want to question today? Skondi? Judson Welliver is generally credited as his first presidential speech writer, serving as a literary court for president. Okay, Warren G. Harding. Okay, 1921. World War I. First person hired specifically for this role, beginning of modern presidential speech writing. So that's a big deal now. Yeah, and if I remember correctly, Warren G. Harding was a big fucking fatso, so that would make sense that he was lazy and he needed someone else to write a speech for him.

1:57:09Yeah. Okay. That checks a lot of boxes. Have you seen The King's Speech? I have not. No, the movie from back in the day that won all those awards? Yeah, bingo. Very cool. It's actually good. Yeah, very, very good, especially because it's a topic that is boring, writing speeches for a king or whatever. But the entire story, because he was a king with a speech impediment, and so it wasn't just a speech writer. Who played the king in that? Colin Firth. There it is. I think I remember seeing a trailer when he's doing burpees or push-ups or something. Yes, exactly. Isn't that real? Yeah. Everything they do in the movie is what the king actually did to beat his stammer because obviously very important, you know, the king talking, and this is in England, royal family's complete bullshit.

1:57:54Is this a true story? Yeah, it's a true story. The king, you know, he had a stutter. His older brother decided not to be the king, so he had to be the king. And back then, really just radio. So the only thing people really heard from you was what you were saying. And because he had a stutter, people made fun of him and all that shit. And then the king's speech, the entire movie is just about, you know, speech writing rather for Kings and just him himself. It's a very unique situation because he had a stutter, but him himself working out his stutter in order to deliver his first speech as king.

1:58:26So he beat it. Yeah, it is a very, very, yeah, it's a very good movie. If you're telling me that's a good movie, because in the moment I remember watching thinking, I see a lot of these other movies I've actually watched that should win these awards, but that one won a lot of awards. Yeah, and that one I would say deserved just because it was uniquely and good. Yeah, Oscar bait for sure. You probably wouldn't be able to mentally comprehend it, so I don't know if you would enjoy it very much. I struggle with accents. You know that. I know. I know. No, it's good. It's good, though. I don't know.

1:58:57Something to think about. But again, I mean, tonight it's fucking Vikings Chargers. Vikings Chargers. Maybe on your way home when you drive home. Yeah, maybe on the drive home it'll keep me awake. You think it will? Yeah. Oh, yeah, boy. We're kind of in the danger zone now with you, Hans. You're driving away from the sun, though, You should be all right, though, right? You know what? Drive them right into that. I realize it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter anymore where the sun is. If your body's shutting down and telling you to take a nap, you say, hey, pull off into that gas station on the side of the road.

1:59:24You might need to sleep for 12 minutes. How often do you do that? Depends how much I'm driving. But now I'm not. I used to fight through. I used to power through. I would just, I got this. Yeah, of course. Let's open a window. Drive onto the shoulder a little bit. Hit the rumble strips a few times. Yeah, exactly. My stupid car. now. I like my older car. I didn't even have GPS system. My truck now says multiple times, flashes warnings that you need to get coffee. It says you need a coffee break. I gotta press okay to say shut up. And it'll say like stop swerving. Bruce, I see you shaking his head.

1:59:57Does he have a car that has this? I've been in one where that does that. I'm trying to turn these alerts off, bud. Like even if I'm dead asleep, that's not waking me up. That's fair. I have gotten to the point I used to also just be like I go, fuck it, let's power it through. It's not safe. Yeah, me and Zito drove back from Tampa in a U-Haul, and we drove it straight through. Honestly, it was easy. Now, if I'm going anywhere that is over four hours away, I make sure I stop two and a half hours in just to reset. Like, okay, we're halfway through. It's smart to you. Yeah, let's get a water. Let's get some peanuts.

2:00:33You know what? Fuck it, let's get trail mix. Sure. Chex mix, even. Boom. Chex mix at the sheets. Local truck stop, that's not bad. I mean, if you're lucky enough to see a Buc-ee's. We don't have Buc-ee's in Ohio, though. Nope. You got Buc-ee's here? No, you got to go south. I believe Kentucky's the first one. Yeah. Foxy, you like Buc-ee's back there? I saw his eyes light up. No, I've never been to Buc-ee's before. It's not a northern thing. No. Northeast, even. It's basically a gas station the size of a Super Walmart. Yes. Is that what you would say? Bingo. Nailed it. I get it. Everyone likes these things.

2:01:08Uh-oh. In my head, it's still a gas station. it can't be that great, but I know everyone's going to hate me for saying that. What do you mean everyone? What's your version of that gas station in Michigan? Is it Wawa? Is it Sheetz? You don't have those either. That doesn't count. That's why he doesn't get it. To Foxy's point, and maybe this is kind of the two sides of the coin here, I guess, since I didn't have it, I think it's so cool. He didn't have it. He thinks it's stupid. Do we have anyone here that grew up with a Buc-ee's close to their house? Are they sick of it? No, but the world's biggest truck stop is in Iowa right before you leave.

2:01:42What's it called? It's called the world's biggest truck stop. That's it? Yes. Yeah, you look it up. It's pretty sweet. What goes on there? Well, I'm not a trucker, so I'm usually getting off there to take a massive shot. A lot of stuff goes on there. But I think you could probably assume a fair amount of lot lizards. They still a thing? They still doing it? I think so. I mean, again, I'm not a trucker, so I don't know. But, you know, it's pretty cool. You can get a nice warm shower there if you'd like. I have always thought about that. Put my name in to get on the list and get a shower. Love. Different ones.

2:02:19Yeah, I stop with Love. Love's a solid one. I find myself when I drive from here and back to Columbus, I stop at the same. I always think I'm going to new gas stations. Same one. Always going to the same ones. I know these people. You should, though. That's the smart thing, too. I buy little trinkets. They got little lighters that are pistols. I go lasers. I get them. All my kids will love this. I buy it for myself and forget to give to them. Yeah, that's classic. That's the shit that happens at a gas station. I mean, why do you think I had 200 pairs of sunglasses? Still have 200 pairs. Why do you think I got there?

2:02:47Because I would go into a gas station that I knew had good ones. Yeah. I was like, I'm coming here every single time to get this cool shit. Well, it's smart. Yeah. You want it. You find something that's good, you have a whole lot of that shit. I got a fly gun that uses CO2 now. I suggest you get it. It's a six-shooter. Really? Yeah, so like I had the pump. I got the big pump shotgun. Everybody's got that. It's from Amazon. You got a six-shooter? Yeah, so I got this. Now it's like it comes with a little, you guys used to probably, you guys are doing cap guns. It's like the cap gun you pop in there.

2:03:14I'd say the barrel is that long on this thing. It's a pistol, handgun, revolver, and then you pop the CO2 right in the butt of it, and those flies don't have a chance. Really? I'm not going to lie. It works. What, does it knock them unconscious dead? They go past. We don't worry about being unconscious. We just explode them right away. In a blender. Oh, it's beautiful. I think this thing has like I see something popped up my the barrel was a little bigger than the one I had then Then that one might extend that barrel about five inches and that's the one I have Okay co2 goes right into that where your palm is right in the butt of that and I realized I have I bet I have 85 extra co2 canisters because I was worried that I was gonna run out because I was like You know I had BB guns Yeah, too much.

2:03:59I still have BB guns like they the co2 runs out too fast So, Jack Carr, you know, you got to be prepared. Yeah. Especially when it gets warm and there's flies all over your house. Like, sometimes I'll get five, six within, like, three or four minutes. Yeah, you should carry binos around. Why do you have so many flies that you just poop it on your floor? No, every once in a while. You got kids, you're leaving the goddamn back door open all the time. I had a dumpster for a while, too. That's a big thing. When it's hot in June, July, those flies want to come in. They're going to breed. What garbage do you have at your house?

2:04:25Well, you know. Why do you need a dumpster? I mean, because if you get a dumpster for a week, you're going to want it for life. I'm just going to let you know. 100 agree with you and my buddy owns a dumpster company so i got one put out here it's pretty tough phil has a dumpster too does he bill back here yep is bill still working out in his office back there i know he built a whole piece of machinery oh yeah dip pull up situation is that still back there it's still back there he doesn't use though he's in the hawk house usually yeah but bill has been i mean you've seen bill he's jacked right now i've watched bill run bill is very light on his feet, very springy.

2:04:59Yeah, big motor. He, actual for shoot track record at his high school. I heard that. Around here? Yeah. Down south, I think. I don't fucking know where this shit is. I don't know where anything is. In Indiana? Yeah, in Indiana. How's the U-Ball going? Is Pat still the champ? Him and Evie? Yeah, him and Evie won, I believe, 11 straight. Yeah. Pat and Fox had quite a had their way with it. How did AQ do? Not good. Yeah, AQ's not very good at U-Ball. Who was his partner? Me, Tony. We sucked. Did you guys both suck together, or did one of you suck worse than the others? It wasn't even about that yesterday.

2:05:31It was just more about how good Foxy and Powell were. I mean, there was times. Is it draining shots, or are they reading the rebounds? All of it. A little bit of both. All of it. But if you're playing to 11, the games could go by pretty quick. Some of them do. Some of them don't. It just depends. Airball gives you minus one. Airball meaning it doesn't hit the rim, or what if it just hits the backboard? Backboard's good. No. Nothing. If it hits nothing, it's an airball. Are there a lot of airballs? Yeah. Tend to be. Yeah, I guess you're shooting that tiny ball. I shot a few of them. It felt like I was shooting a golf ball.

2:05:59Yeah, it's much harder. Because you could definitely play to – you could just whale it off the backboard, but you're never going to get enough points to, you know. No, I want to make success. Yeah, I need to make – If you're shooting to make it, air balls come into play. There is a chance, and granted, it still has to be approved by the committee, but there is a chance that we have new U-balls, actually. Z ordered a couple. Very nice. Yeah, we'll see. Very plump new mini basketballs for the U-Ball. We'll see how it works, kind of a trial run. What do you mean plump? Just very, very filled up. Very grippy.

2:06:36What a PSI in there. Bingo, there it is. PSI, plump space initiative. Because right now one of them is inflated, one of them is deflated. It changes the rebounding aspect of the game. Yeah, it's kind of a circus game, which we enjoy. We got needle and pump. That's what we mean. The committee has to kind of deliberate as far as do we even want to have two balls that are the same? Do we like the two different balls in the game? Does anybody want to do that? It's just something we kind of have to trial and error here. Matt and Foxy are – you guys are on fire? We were on absolute fire yesterday. So you beat AQ and Tone.

2:07:10Like, what's the score? Yeah, we beat AQ and Tone. We don't need to know the score. We beat D-Butt and D-Bone. Nobody's getting skunked, right? No, nobody's ever been skunked. Hold on, hold on. Let Foxy kind of go into the D-Bone, D-Butt debacle they face you. I know Deebo never jumps when he tips it. Well. Yeah, New York's starting to make that a point of emphasis. Hey, you can't catch the ball and then jump. You have to jump, catch the ball, put it in. But, yeah, we just had a really good day yesterday, and then Bone said, I'm so competitive, and got really upset about it all, and then drank a Red Bull at 6 p.m.

2:07:39and ran out of here. He did a sour grapes. He was sour grapes. Wait, did he say the words, I'm so competitive? Basically. He said, I haven't been in, like, a competitive setting in a long time, so I – He said, oh, I bet I would win if I played with a professional athlete as he's playing with Darius Butler. It was crazy. With the professional athlete. D-Butt can play in the NBA right now. D-Butt's hit his head off the top of the backboard multiple times. The best basketball player just all around by a mile. Can jump out of the gym. He's D-Bone's partner. But, yeah, team Bone and Butts. I thought they were dominant for a while.

2:08:11Where is D-Boner? He's over there making graphics. Right now he's slamming a pillow. Oh, because he's so competitive and he lost. Competitive? Oh, my gosh. You know how it goes. He's probably got his arm. I guess competitive people, that's what they do, man. And Michael Jordan, we saw Michael Jordan, right? He drained the free throw, that clip. Oh, yeah. Did that come out before that, Fox? I don't know if we have that, but Michael Jordan told the whole story to Mike Tirico on NBC at halftime, which is that what it's going to be for the rest? I don't know. I'm hoping not. I still have faith that there's a chance they do a studio show, and then he goes to the studio for once.

2:08:44I would guess that there's a chance it's going to be like Jeets when he was first on with baseball where it was basically like, yeah, I'm not doing any of the regular season fucking bullshit, but when the World Series gets around, like, sure, I'll come out and be on the desk with you guys. Is that the only time Jits was on the desk, really? I think he's done it a little bit more, but like when he first got hired, yeah, it was like, hey, I'll be there for the big moments. And credit to Michael Jordan for actually doing this. So he got an Airbnb, and then the guy, I don't know if it was contingent when he booked the Airbnb.

2:09:12It sounded like, no. You bring your whole family out and everybody, which is very, very nice of Michael Jordan to do. He doesn't have to do that but he could not only did he meet him take pictures he comes out here and drain free throw and guess what it was nothing but net he was not lying to tariko yeah it was a pure swish he actually tells kind of sweet information about the free throw too did he like he explained the reasoning the nba moved the blocks out wider was because walt chamberlain uh was like too big scored 100 and basically and then they also he also explained why there's a little um yeah i think we're rewinding to it but he he kind of it's tough to hear so hopefully you can we'll see

2:09:52jacob jacob

2:09:56AQ Shipley:but you know where that line come from the line used to be in moved it out right how what look at you yeah lucas we're back remember the center circle they didn't have it will chamber used to take a drive take off So now you can't start the shot outside the center circle. You can't break this line until it hits the rim. That's a real thing. I had no idea about it. Please make it. He said please make it. Oh! So cool. That was pressure, man. That's pretty sweet. I mean, it is pressure. Yeah, those little kids wearing Jordan jerseys, they never watched him play, obviously. None of you guys probably even watched him play.

2:10:41Never. I never saw them. They definitely did. NBC stuff, they were smart, tight. You know, pulling at the old wood and nostalgia situation. It was 8-96, and that was about, like, my first sports memory is the – Marv Albert? Jim Harbaugh, Hail Mary against the Steelers in 1995. So, yeah, I would have been watching MJ at that time. I was watching. Ty, you were watching Jordan back then? Yep, without a doubt. Sunday afternoons. Yeah. I felt like every Sunday the Bulls were playing Sunday. That's what I said the day after. I was like, I had like the most intense deja vu of like sitting on my couch, like being seven years old, watching the Bulls play.

2:11:18Like it was insane. Yeah. And they asked the players who were playing on NBC, like, what do you remember from NBC basketball? And they're like, nothing. I wasn't born. I saw that, man. Nothing at all. They're like, I didn't know they played basketball. And then someone just said like, oh, Michael Jordan. And then they cut to the Jordan thing, man. The NBC thing was great. And it also has definitely raised the ESPN game, too. Chuck and Shaq and Ernie and Kenny. Who said that? Shaq said, this is the real opening night. Last night, Shaq, I believe, said that when the show started. That was great.

2:11:50That being on ESPN, the NBC free game. This was great. The prime free game. All of the deaths are really, really cool. Yeah. See, I didn't see much of the prime stuff. Was the prime stuff running? It hasn't happened yet. Okay, good. I was wondering if it wouldn't run at the same time. I think it's tomorrow. How do we know which games are where? So, yeah, that's the thing you kind of really have to look at. It feels as though Monday night is going to be NBC or Tuesday, whatever. Sorry, Tuesday. Tuesday is NBC. Yeah, here we go. So Sunday is NBC. Monday is Peacock. Tuesday, NBC Peacock. Yeah, then Wednesday ESPN.

2:12:25Tonight is ESPN, though, the two games tonight, the Thunder Pacers and Nuggets Warriors. But it looks like Prime is going to normally be Thursday, probably after football. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's interesting. After football is over. Okay. And then Friday, Prime. I assume tomorrow and Saturday are the first two Prime pregame shows, but do not take that as fact. I'm just guessing looking at this. I know they played that with Chuck, who they broadcast for. Which person broadcast for which thing? It was pretty good. I don't know. I have genuine questions who they all work for now, too.

2:12:58He was so confused because he's like, they popped up Ali LaForce, who was the sideline person for all of TNT games last year and before, and he's like, Ali, she was with us last year, right? And then he guessed. So he just assumed that she went over to ESPN. But no, she's still with TNT doing just other sports. And TNT doesn't have basketball, right? No. No, not anymore. But they have college football, and they have – are they still baseball? Well, TBS does. They might have some March Madness maybe. They do. Sure, they definitely. And they get – ESPN sold some of the rights to the college football playoff.

2:13:32Yeah. At Tony's point. Everything is everywhere now. It's crazy. It's all over the place. tougher old people like me, I guess, to figure out where it is. I just got to ask young people. Yeah, well, thank you. Please do. How old are you now, Conman? I'm 30. Are you 30? Yeah, I'm 30 years old. You look great. Beal, how old is Beal over here? 29. You guys are all very young. You guys look good, though. Majority of the office is 30, at least, no? Yeah, I think Bone and Mitt are the only two under 30. Okay. Besides Beal. And Beal. Well, yeah, but Bill's been 40 since I met. That is a good big deal.

2:14:03Yeah, exactly. And you guys ever do that? you're real like you spit into a cup or something or Tony you probably threw him some semen and they tell you your actual age? Yeah, my real age. I'm about three. My body's three years older than I should be. Okay. Oh, so yours went the wrong way. Yep. I think like Kim Card Ashley was talking about it. Oh, she's like 41, but it says she's 27. I want to get back to my actual age. How do you do that? You work out, eat healthy, get sleep, drink water, all that stuff. What if you do all that and it says you're 55? Well, that won't happen. That's not how science works.

2:14:32And plus, if that happens that means holy fuck at 55 i'm gonna be an ox it's true with that being said i think we're gonna wrap this one up but you're right comment i look forward to you i hope i am around this earth when you are 55 we will be i will watch you just just cracking skulls everywhere you go thanks man i hope i'm not just cracking skulls i hope i'm just kind of hanging out like fishing and stuff but if we're cracking skulls that'd be cool too okay good well you know what boys i appreciate you guys i will see you again tomorrow actually yes you will i'll have a very safe drive home Thank you.

2:15:03Very safe drive back here in the morning. I legit, I'm old enough now where I'm not dumb. I would never push through falling asleep. I hope so. Thank you. The other thing is, too, where we are at this point, the biggest danger is just driving on the highway. Aside from that, you're kind of okay. Be safe because I had a dream about you, so just be safe. You did. Right before we came on air, Tone told me he thought I was going to die in the next week and a half. He said he had a dream about me dying. As soon as three, two, Bo, here we go. We're live on air. and Tone, oh yeah, hey, you're going to die in like nine or ten days.

2:15:34I had a dream about it, bud. Alright, cool. I guess we'll just move on from that one. Plush that one. Tone, you know, not all dreams are real. No, they aren't. Especially mine. Some dreams are fucking nightmares. That's true. Was it a nightmare for you or was it a dream? No, it was a nightmare. I was a pallbearer. How'd I die? Dude, congrats! Yes, congrats. It was sick. Hopefully you had your hat on, too. Sweet cowboy hat. Were you in the front and the back? Right in the middle. Right in the middle? Mangle was in front of him just sobbing like a baby. Yeah, Bobby. Which I understand. I was too.

2:16:07Bobby was drinking a beer. Bobby hit a beer hat. He would want this. AJ would want me to have a good time. You know what, Bob? I would. I would want him to have a good time. Mr. Brown, owner of the Bengals, was one of them. Can you imagine? He was here for seven months. You actually catered the meal afterwards from the Bengals restaurant. It was a beautiful restaurant down there. Beautiful. All right, boys. Thank you guys in the back. appreciate you. Pete Rose. All right, Pete, he's watching now. He's with you. Charlie Hustle. Charlie Hustle took you through, baby. Boys, bring it in. Bring it in here.

2:16:40Here we go, boys. We'll have a great one tomorrow. I'll be back. We'll be some great things going on. Pat will be in Nashville tomorrow for game day. Good job today. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Here we go. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team.

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