PMS 2.0 1439 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, World Series Game 3 Recap, Daniel Jones, Karl Ravech, & AJ Hawk

16:31Pat McAfee:I think I have a good work ethic. I think I'm able to lock in. Then you see, like, an actual robot happen next to you, and you're like, oh, my God, there's levels to this entire thing. And then Tom Brady, obviously, they talk about that as the same. Michael Jordan, Kobe, you talk about these guys that Wayne Gretzky, I think, is even another guy. Everybody at the top is, like, born that way. Do you think that can be coached, or do you think it's just, like, a special trait that only some people have? I think they have the trait. There has to be some really good hands put on them somewhere along the line to get them in the right direction.

16:59All those Tom, Peyton, those guys had great college quarterback coaches and coaches. I think Shohei and everybody else, the Dodgers pitching system we talked about, he's just going to get better. Better and better.

17:13Pat McAfee:He's only going to get better, I think. That is crazy to think about. And his stroke isn't going anywhere. That stroke is unbelievable. It doesn't go anywhere. And then to be that tall and that fast. Exactly, and that would be the biggest thing in terms of how long can he do this. The only times he's really had any injury issues, it looked like to be some sort of attendant that the Dodgers had that sometimes you get in the wrong spot there and you've got to scramble. So is that person delivering beers there on the field? A concession guy definitely shouldn't be out there. I just assumed it was like...

17:45Go back? I don't know who the hell that is.

17:51Darius Butler:got a chair down there so yeah the chair the ball boy jumped over into the stands yeah i wonder if that's just like a security attendant to make sure people aren't like getting on the field

17:59Pat McAfee:yeah yeah i mean he should know he's off the bat though there's a chance that thing's coming right out he's probably thinking he's going yard i'm i'm gonna hold a job yeah not grabbing that chair too full sprint and staying away from the ball pretty impressive great if that hits him in this game that goes 18 innings or whatever there'd be so many oh they got guys out there on it because Imagine a hit someone goes different and he gets a triple or something. Or something like, maybe a guy falls on ball. Oh, my God. Passes out. Gets tired. Falls on top of ball. I mean, that could have been obviously chaotic.

18:28Pat McAfee:Shout out to that guy getting it figured out. But congrats to the Dodgers. So this is going to feed the, they spend more money on everybody. That's why they're better than everybody narrative. I mean, I suppose. But, like, it's when you're kind of getting single-handedly beat by one guy. Like, Shohei's just otherworldly. He's amazing. And, like, you know, yeah, they paid a shitload of money for him. but there are other teams that definitely could have got him. We talked about it a little bit earlier. We'll see. If they win the World Series handedly, and again, the amount of momentum that swings to them after a game like that, it's tough to imagine that the Blue Jays are just going to have enough left to get back.

19:00But if they get a Paul Skeens or a Tarek Skubal, who people are saying if the Dodgers win the World Series and then sign one of the best players in baseball instantly, that will be when people are like, all right, we can't do this anymore.

19:12Pat McAfee:I heard Detroit offered Skubals. Pennies on the dollar. Did I offer him 20 bucks or something, Foxy?

19:17Darius Butler:I need a confirmed source to tell me this. I don't believe it. I will not believe it until I know it's coming out of Jet Pass in his mouth because that's absolutely absurd. And I'll tell you what, senior Pizza Pizza, Little Caesars owner, Illich would have paid him right away. So I don't like this. His son better get going here.

19:34Pat McAfee:Okay. I like that you're calling out ownership and holding people accountable, even though you don't know if it's true or not. And that's our show's difference. That's right. You got to do it. That is our show's difference. Exactly. That is our show's difference in its entirety. But you talk about, like, skeins going over there or something like that. They're just buying the best team, which I would like to let people know. That is why I was a fan of the Yankees. The guy who grew up in Pittsburgh, it's like, they're just buying the best team up there. Is everybody allowed to do that? Yeah. I want – so I won't go for the team.

20:03Pat McAfee:I would like my happiness in this particular sport to reside upon the people that are trying to spend more money than everybody else to win. Baseball people tell me I'm a bullshit fan. I agree. Never played. This is just me watching playoffs. The deferment thing is what really bothers people. Oh, I'm paying him up 15 years later. Yeah, Shohei's salary this year is$1.2 million because they're giving him$400 million in 10 years. So salary cap gymnastics is coming over to MLB. You were about to say something?

20:29Darius Butler:I was going to say, just in terms of spending money, the Dodgers are in second with$321 million this year for their payroll. The Blue Jays are in fifth with$239 million for their payroll this year. So both teams spent and they made it. Who's number one? The New York Mets. They didn't make the playoffs. They didn't.

20:42Pat McAfee:So that would be the argument the Dodgers would say. Correct. This is just like the Philadelphia Eagles saying, if tush-push so easy on, everybody do it. That is what the Dodgers will say about the New York Mets. And we'll talk about the tush-push in a matter of moments. You know, the dimes die was really something that kind of captivated the entire NFL. This guy, you know, he's in New York, didn't pan out. Everybody threw a lot of shots. He goes to Minnesota. He's a free agent. Minnesota wants to keep him there. The Colts obviously need a quarterback. He'll come into a quarterback competition.

21:10Pat McAfee:How's everybody feel about it? No, no, we don't want it. He's going to win the quarterback competition pretty handily. How does everybody feel about it? Oh, we still don't know. We need a full change. Then he goes in. What? Best team in football. Ladies and gentlemen, the quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts, Danny Dimes. Yeah, Danny. What's up, boys? How we doing? Hey, congrats on another win. Okay, you didn't do shit, but congrats on another win. Yeah. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I know it's middle of season. We got a lot of football left. I know that's what you're going to say.

21:37Pat McAfee:But at this moment, with where you're sitting and how you guys have performed, Could you have imagined this whenever you got here in the offseason, the team being this good? I think when I sat down with you for dinner with Mr. Berg, you said, hey, we got a lot of good guys. You liked the roster immediately. Did you see this potentially being the case? And why has it worked out so good, do you think, at this point? I mean, it's tough to say, you know, that we were, you know, exactly how it's going to work out. I think people say, you know, we think we're good. But no one, you never really know until you get out there and start playing.

22:10But, you know, I did. I mean, I honestly did in the spring. You look around, you're like, wow, he's really good. And he's really good. And the offensive line is really good. And coaches are good. You're like, you know, we should be pretty good. And, you know, we've played well. And things have gone well. But you never really know, I guess, until you get on the field.

22:30Pat McAfee:I appreciate you having my jersey in your bedroom there. It's very cool of you. It's very, very nice of you putting me up there next to the boss, man. It's an honor. We're very thankful you're an Indianapolis Colt. We're also very thankful that Jonathan Taylor is an Indianapolis Colt. Can you tell me about him and the offensive line and what this offense is doing right now? Because obviously we've seen Jonathan Taylor have massive success in the past, but right now he's ready to break history, it seems like. What's happening in that area of your offense, and why do you think it's all taking place?

22:59Yeah, I mean, I think the guys up front, for one, are doing an incredible job in the pass game too, but in the run game, opening up holes. And then, I mean, he hits it. He goes, and the three - or four-yard runs are seven - or eight-yard runs. And then, you know, he's got the home run in him, too. That 80-yarder the other day was incredible. I don't know how he stayed in bounds on the sideline, hit it, and rolled. But, yeah, I mean, he's playing unbelievable right now. I know everybody, you know, if you watch the game, it's pretty hard to miss. he's playing unbelievable right now.

23:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, you know, being there in person, it's a lot more fun than it has been in the past. I've told you that a couple different times. Like, man, I am thankful to be a season ticket holder this year. It has been a blast in the stadium. One of my favorite things is, you know, what they decided to do during the breaks up on the Jumbotron. Celebrity lookalike happened this past weekend, and I'll tell you what, I thought you handled the moment greatly. Indiana Jones, in a place that does this noise, please.

24:15Pat McAfee:Okay, you saw it. Okay, I saw you fighting back a little blush as I was watching in real life, and then it seemed like you looked at yourself, you thought, oh, stay focused, stay locked. This is very, it's like second quarter, I think. This is still very much in the middle of the game. How was this moment? Did you see yourself? And what was your immediate reaction? Like, oh, shit, look busy. Did I nail it? Pretty much, yeah. I mean, I saw it. I tried to play it off like I didn't see it, but I saw it, and that's always the moment. The camera's on you. Everybody's looking at you. Act like you're doing something you'd be doing if you didn't know.

24:50Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm working out. I'm working out. Yeah, quarterback.

24:53Pat McAfee:Let me warm up my arm. Yeah, what else? How has it been, though, dude? You're a hero here. You are a hero here. I texted you that maybe two weeks ago. So, like, hey, Daniel Jones could be governor of Indiana right now, could be mayor of the city, could literally be anything. How is it being, like, you know, beloved by your fans? Like, this place loves you. Can you feel that? How has it been experiencing that? And do you ever talk about it with the team, about how much the city has rallied and the state has rallied around the squad? Yeah, I mean, you can definitely sense it. I think just how, you know, how energetic the city is for it and the support we have here, it's been a lot of fun.

25:33I really enjoyed being here and being with this team. But, yeah, like you said, the city. I think the people here are awesome. We've talked about it. It's a sports town, and people here love the Colts, love the Pacers, love the Fever, love sports. So it's been fun to feel that for sure.

25:51Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, we're lucky you're here, brother. We're enjoying the hell out of the run, honestly. And that game against the Titans, I don't know if you know this, Colts favored by 14 and a half or whatever. Colts fans scared to death. It's like, oh, no, here we go. Because we have PTSD of times where, okay, the team isn't all the way ready to go. Very good team, but not completely locked in. It's been awesome to watch you guys continue to grow through this entire journey. B.A. has a question for you. Danny? Yeah, Dan, I saw you up close and personal in your first win down in Tampa. Now, what flipped the switch for you?

26:26Is it coaching, system, offensive line? Because you are playing the best football I've ever seen you play. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I mean, I think it's all those things. I think, you know, football, you know, people want to make it about one guy or one thing or one play. But I think the reality is it's everything kind of working together and everybody doing what they're supposed to. It's a boring, you know, kind of cliche take, but I honestly think that's how it works. And offensive line's played incredible. I think the coach, the scheme I think the game planning and the scheme we have Week in and week out You know, is really, really good I mean, you know, guys are open Receivers getting open And then Jonathan Taylor's doing an incredible job So, I mean, I think just everything's kind of working together And we know we've still got stuff to clean up But I think that's when You know, that's when guys are at their best Is when everyone's kind of doing their job

27:24Pat McAfee:Your wide receivers are special too It's like, you know, they were talking about with the Packers, and I think they were talking about with the Bills. It's like, well, who's the number one? There needs to be a number one. It's like, we got dudes all over the place. You got dudes all over. And none of them seemingly Diva, prima donna, asking, expecting. Just everybody goes for it. Like, this catch is one of the nastiest catches of all time. Incredible catch. Pass interference, for sure. Did you know he caught it? You thought it was just P.I., or did you know he caught it immediately? I didn't know he caught it, but I didn't see the ball come up.

27:52Like, usually you see the ball on the ground, and I was like, that ball didn't hit the ground. Did he catch that ball? Like, I don't think people realize how hard of a catch that was. Like, he's fighting off the defender. He pins it with one hand and the defender's arm in there. I mean, that's an incredible, incredible catch.

28:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, definitely pass interference. I mean, no questions asked. Everybody in there just thought, P.I., okay, we got first down at the one. I think people legitimately were like, all right, that play's over. Is Pittman okay? That's good. And then there's like a delayed roar, and he just stands up with the ball. It's like, what? How the hell did you do that? And Pittman makes those plays all the time. Josh Dons and you getting on the same page. Obviously, Alec Pierce, I've learned of him even more over the last couple weeks. Heard great things coming out of the Halloween party about Alec Pierce.

28:33Pat McAfee:So I am all bored. Alec Pierce being an absolute dog for the squad as well. And then you guys have a tight end, okay? And I don't know where this Sasquatch, you know, came from in this entirety, but what an animal. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Danny, I think going back to, like, the draft process and then the draft especially, like, we were all shocked that Tyler Warren fell to where he did, just falling right into you guys' laps. At what point did you know, like, oh, wow, this guy's different. He might be special. And obviously, you know, Pat talked about how many weapons you have and everything's working.

29:04But how nice is it having a safety valve like this guy where you can just dump it down to him and he's liable to, you know, go 40 yards for a touchdown or pick up a third, you know, a long conversion on third down? Like, how impressed have you been with Tyler Warren? Yeah, I've been extremely impressed with him. I think when he got here in the spring, I mean, you could sense just like his savviness and feel for getting open and just kind of being an instinctive football player. But then, you know, getting on the field and playing with them and live action, you know, a lot of these plays that I think he makes just look easy where he knows where everybody is.

29:41He makes a tough catch. He, you know, makes a cut and gets an extra seven or eight yards. I mean, he just does the instinctive thing that you would hope someone does really naturally, I feel like. And I don't know, he's tough as shit. He's a real good football player.

30:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, see, his head up, we think, is potentially the densest and the thickest that there's ever been made. Because we saw him against Notre Dame, hit his head off the ground right in front of us. He put a dent in the ground, and it was frozen. and his head, boom, and he just hopped right back. We thought he was dead. I still get headaches from it. Yeah, actually, I just got a headache thinking about that. I mean, his head, we saw it in person. So it was like, oh, my God. And it was frozen. And he just hopped right back up, tossed the ball. I think he got a carry on the next play. Yeah, he lined up under, I think he did a dive.

30:34Pat McAfee:I think he did a tush push immediately afterwards, just got punched in the head. The guy's an absolute animal. You got a lot of them out there. Now, how can you manage an offense that has all these different weapons? How can you create space for everybody to be able to get the rock? How can you just dominate seemingly everybody? Well, there's a coach that we got that was brought in to be the head coach because he was an offensive guru. Seems like you and him have hit it off well. Go ahead, Tone.

30:58Darius Butler:Yeah, Mr. Jones, you were talking about the game plan and the scheme earlier. I'm trying to be respectful, okay? And I wanted to ask about how your relationship with Shane Steichen has been since you came over to the Colts and then how it is now and how more collaborative and how much more insight you have into the game plan each week. And I noticed you guys haven't had a bye yet. So if you wanted to sit out this upcoming weekend, just get like an early little rest, that's something you can think about doing as well. No, no, no. This is a big one. This is a big one this week. Yeah, don't listen to him, Dimes.

31:26Pat McAfee:Don't listen to him. That's a stealer say. That's Mr.

31:28Darius Butler:Jones, by the way. Have a little respect. Mr. Jones and me.

31:33Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Danny. Sorry, brother. Good track. Thank you. Yeah, it's been fun working with Shane. I think in the offseason and through training camp, you're not doing as much game planning. You're just calling plays and trying to execute, putting in the offense for the most part. But once we've gotten into the season and as the weeks have gone, I think just the process throughout the week has been really good for me and the time we spend meeting, watching tape, hearing from him. And, you know, he's real detailed on how he expects to call the game, how he wants me to kind of play the game, certain situations, where we are on the field, down in distance, kind of what's been happening.

32:18And, you know, he's very, very detailed, has all that, you know, stuff planned out and kind of in his head. And that stuff he communicates with me. And I think just, you know, that helps me, you know, especially when we get to like Friday and Saturday and you're watching, you know, the last little bit of tape and you're reminding the receivers certain little things here and there. I think that communication has been really helpful for me.

32:41Pat McAfee:Tell me about what he's saying to you or calling to you through the headset for every play. Because we hear him mic'd up, and is he saying to you the same thing he's saying to mic'd up? Oh, look at this. This is going to be a touchdown. Okay, we're going to run. Okay, look. We've seen him mic'd up every play. I don't know if you know how confident he is in every single play you guys run. Every single one. Oh, look at this. Look at this. This is going to be a touchdown. We're about to score this thing. Watch this thing. Yep, yep, touchdown, yep. Is that what he's calling plays? He doesn't give me that in the headset as much, but he will, like, when we're talking about something on the sideline, it'll be like, all right, I'm going to call this one.

33:16It'll probably go for 20, and then when we get the ball on 20, we'll probably call this one. We'll probably score there, but if we don't score, like, we'll call this play, and then we'll definitely score. So it's all very, very positive. Every play is going to be 15, 20-yarder, and then the next one is going to be 15, 20-yarder. That's awesome.

33:32Pat McAfee:So is that how you think – is that how you have thought about the game before? Like has this been a nice change of pace almost with how he kind of talks about it to you? Do you feel like you two kind of gel well when it comes to that perspective? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I haven't. I probably haven't had that positive of a mindset myself, but it's helpful. I mean, when you have that much confidence and that much optimism, belief, I think that that helps me. It helps the whole team, I think, and everybody can sense that. All right, we're going to do this, probably pick up 15-20 here. It might score, honestly.

34:05Pat McAfee:I don't even know if we need this next play. And then we'll do this. I love that. That's what I'm talking about. It was always there. It was always there. He always dressed so cool on the sideline. He always looked so cool on the sideline. Every time I talked to him, it seemed great. But then it just wasn't going as well. Gardner Minshew, we always make the playoffs. Oh, we don't make the playoffs. It's like he's been through it, too, a lot. So for him to be as positive as he is, I think he's a real testament of his mental resilience, and we're lucky to have you both. and uh nope not even gonna say it we want you to sign a 10-year contract here let's let's uh i'm not gonna do any public negotiating on behalf of the big three okay the big three certainly understand that but we are very lucky to have you both in our city you you need to know

34:44Daniel Jones:that go ahead comment yeah some good negotiating for you dimes will be the thousands of kids dressing up as you on halloween on friday across indiana but true what about the relationship with the O-line. Have you been taking him to dinners? Has JT been helping him out a little bit? What is Quentin Nelson like as a leader? It feels as though all of us have seen a different Quentin Nelson that we have grown accustomed to. With the departure of Ryan Kelly and Will Fries, he seems to be taking more of a vocal role this year. Yeah, he's a stud for sure. I haven't taken him to dinner yet. We do a little Monday night football.

35:22Last night we had the Halloween party, but we got Oh, really? What was attendance?

35:27Pat McAfee:What was attendance? Percentage? Pretty strong. I don't know. I wasn't marking everybody. It was pretty strong, though. I'd say pretty much everybody was there. I like that. These are all good things. You guys are drinking water at these things, obviously? A lot of water, maybe some... Some Gatorades and... Okay, so we did a little mixed drinks and beers. Okay, I like that. That's what I just heard there. We got waters and Gatorades. I like that. This is good. This is good for team. B.A., this is good. Blue Gatorade and Vodka is perfect. Okay. Going back to you, Dime. Sorry about it. Talk about the old line.

36:01Quentin's a stud. And, yeah, the leadership he has in that room and how they all kind of work together, you know, I think that goes a long way. I mean, Quentin, all those guys have an extremely high standard for themselves and the group. And Quentin will let you know if it's not good enough or if someone's not doing the right thing, he's pretty quick to let someone know and hold everybody accountable. And he holds himself accountable first, and I think that goes a long way with the O-line. It goes a long way with the whole team, I think. So, yeah, it means a lot.

36:38Pat McAfee:You guys got a special group, man. It's been fun to watch you guys. Let's talk about the defense. Obviously, we have to because Lou Anaroui, I mean, you didn't know what it was like before Lou got there. You didn't know what it was like before Cam Bonhams got there, who was seemingly beloved by everybody. Moody should be back here soon after the pregame. Hey, let's fucking watch what we're doing pregame. I don't know. You guys, we need to get better at that going forward. But can you tell me about the defensive side of the ball and the vibes and energy over there? Because obviously if we want to go where we want to go, defense is going to have to win games.

37:08Pat McAfee:And it feels like we have the guys to do it. Do you agree with that? For sure, yeah. Yeah, I think they've been playing at a really high level. You know, Lou does a great job. He's a smart guy, smart coach. The scheme that they run week in and week out, the game plan stuff they have is good. We see it a little bit in practice. We do a period against the defense Thursdays, and there's always some funky stuff in there. So, yeah, he does a really good job. Those guys are playing well, pass rush. The guys in the back end are all playing well. And I think, yeah, we feed off that energy on offense, seeing those guys make stops, make big plays, sacks, turnovers.

37:48That's been huge for us.

37:50Pat McAfee:Why don't you let Rigoberto punt full field a couple times? Let the guy build his average. Every time he goes out there, he hits a perfect ball. Rigoberto's batting 1 ,000 right now. He actually is, Danny. Is he? Yes. Is that a stat? That's an official stat. I'll give it out because I'm actually watching him. I've been on a couple offenses that were very successful. So you're getting a fifth of the amount of punts of everybody else. but what that means is i've heard it's like whoa you you don't really have to do much it's like of course of course i don't but every punt means if i shank one our average is screwed for what two months with the way this offense is basically going so like every punt matters for rego and he hits he's been batting a thousand i think yeah he has been it's amazing i love rego burtel love badgley too love him stepping in obviously didn't enjoy the the injury that took place to our guy Spencer he'll be back stronger than ever and we see your hat you know and it feels like it's been a big part of the story coach BA been with Colts multiple times has a question for you yeah I think Jim Ursae's spirit has got to have a big part of that locker room and I see Shane does it you do it the picture behind you um let him carry you guys all the way because he will hell yeah yes sir yes sir absolutely I think um you know I didn't know Mr.

39:05Ursae but just from from uh everyone around here and and the relationships um he had with a lot of these a lot of players and obviously all the all the staff i think you get a sense for how strong his his uh you know his spirit and memory still is here so um yeah no doubt we love the guitar uh

39:24Pat McAfee:grove brings the guitar in gets the pick you know for the guitar pitman brought it in obviously this week gets the tip okay then gets the yeah the touchdown it's like okay let's get our let's get this let's keep this guitar around let's maybe uh five people walk in with this guitar we appreciate you man enjoy the rest of the season thank you for taking time out of your life here awesome appreciate y 'all having me yeah stay healthy brother yeah what's what's today look like thank you what's today look like what's today look like we all watch film remember we haven't done yet right we haven't done yeah we're about to get back in the film room we gotta see what these Steelers look like?

39:58I'll tell you. You're going to like what you see. Don't you worry. Daniel Jones. Hey.

40:07Don't say that to him.

40:08Darius Butler:No, I know. I know. But he might. Good news is Tomlin just had his press conference so they're not changing the damn thing.

40:14Pat McAfee:We knew that, though. We knew that. Yes, we did. Yeah, we knew that. That's Coach Tomlin right there. Steelers football. Remember, he has to get his guys back, too. What do you mean? His defense coordinator. Yeah. He's got to get his guys back. Like, he has to publicly. That is something you have to do, legitimately. He's having cities back, okay? Well, that's in his mind when he sits down. I would assume I've not been in there. He knows. Boy, this guy sucks right now at his job. But publicly, he's got to go work with this guy. He can't just bury him publicly. He doesn't have to. Well, how much work is he doing then?

40:44Daniel Jones:Because if he's doing a lot of work, then are we aiming our sights at the wrong guy? That's where I get confused.

40:49Pat McAfee:Oh, you think there's a fall guy here, Austin, D.C. knocking the proper attack on Coach Tomlin. You know it in there. Coach, at press conference, whenever a coordinator is potentially on the hot seat with the fans, how do you address that? Do you go up there knowing, like, hey, if I say anything here, it's potentially going to spark a fire? Is that a thought that you have going in there? No, I think you just tell the truth. And I hired the guy. He's my guy. It's my job to fix him. All right? It's not his fault. It's my fault. Got it. So as a head coach, you reflect it all back to yourself. And this player didn't have a great game.

41:22It's my job to coach him better. This coach didn't have a good game. My job to coach him better.

41:25Pat McAfee:Now, on that note, sometimes when you say that, it does sound like you're pandering a bit, you know, because, like, a player will make a full fail. And then the coach will be like, that's on me. I didn't coach him upright. It's like, hey, hero, don't need you saying that. Hey, Tom McMahon. Tom McMahon tried to go to bat for me one time on something. He was like, that's on me. I didn't have him prepared for that. I'm like, hey, Tom, shut up, okay? You know who that was on. I shanked that shit out of bounds. That was on me. He goes, yeah, but they need to know that I could have made you better or whatever.

41:52Pat McAfee:I'm like, no, you've did this 100 % on me. I don't like your line to these people or whatever. But it's like taking up for your people is a big part of leading. That is a huge part of leading. And I think Coach Tomlin is like, what, one of the most loyal people in the history of the NFL. So, like, not that that's a great thing, too. Remember, he kept Canada around for a long time whenever everybody was looking for it, but he did move on from that Canada. First time in the middle of the season the Pittsburgh Steelers have ever fired a coordinator or whatever in the history of the Steelers. I think there was a time where a coach or something.

42:21Pat McAfee:The owner. Oh, yeah.

42:23Daniel Jones:The owner was coached. He fired himself, and that was before they sold the team. Yeah, so it was a long time ago.

42:28Pat McAfee:So he has had to make moves before, but I think he does have to kind of represent for his guys out there publicly. Or he could take the Brian Kelly approach and basically just make a bunch of excuses, throw it on everyone else's plate, motherfuck these guys on the sidelines, say, hey, you just lost your fucking job. Do that. I mean, now, did that work out for him? Not especially, but he just exactly. Not in his last meeting with the athletic director. And he's walking away with a check for$54 million. So is it that bad? Is it that bad? I don't know if Coach Stromlin's got the same deal as Brian Kelly.

42:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, he might not. I don't know how all those deals work. Probably more. But boy, that Brian Kelly situation is fascinating. It's just getting worse and worse. What, down there? Yeah, I mean, you take it with a grain of salt, but now all the stories come out. Yeah, what you see is true. This guy is a massive piece of shit. It's what people are saying. Exactly. That's what people are saying. and obviously everybody's going to have those stories. He is due$54 million over the next six years. Let's talk about these college coaches getting fired. Let's talk about coaches getting fired in general.

43:27Pat McAfee:Coaches know it's coming. Like Brian Kelly knew that was coming. James Franklin, do you think he knew that was coming without loud? It seemed like James Franklin did not know that it was coming, even though it was very, very loud on the outside because of how much success in winning and everything that that program has done under him and with how long he was there. Brian Kelly, obviously you lose to Texas A &M in the fashion that you lose to Texas A &M. Texas A &M might win a national championship. Texas A &M is a very, very, very, very good football team. They blow out LSU. Do you think Brian Kelly knows that it's a possibility?

43:56Pat McAfee:Do you think these guys know it's a possibility? I don't think those guys do. I think they think I'm invincible and I'll right this ship. I know how to do this. And there's so much money involved in college football now. It's like the boosters are, no, you're not, because you're not running this shit anymore. Do you think it's an unflappable confidence that coaches have to have? You have to. Yeah, you got to – do you have to walk in that office knowing I'm the best there is? That'd be crazy if Brian Kelly just walked in there the next day.

44:26Pat McAfee:How are we doing? Pretty good. Tough game. We'll get it back. We'll get it back. Texas A &M, good football team. Hey, why don't you come in here real quick? Sure, what are we doing? We have a little sit down. You're fired.

44:38Pat McAfee:You guys owe me like$54 million. Yeah, we're going to pay you. Check, please. Holy shit. All right. Sounds good. He's walked out, got in his little wagon. You see the car he's got? Oh, yeah. I love that they had people camped out outside. Actually, I hate that they had people camped out outside the parking lot. I'd like to let that be known. There are some people that camp out some of the places that I end up at. It scares the shit out of me, especially in the current environment that we are in. Not great, but I guess down there at LSU, this is what you kind of expect when you sign up. Them having him.

45:02Pat McAfee:He was in the building six minutes, this guy.

45:09Pat McAfee:Out of there. $51 million. Lose the Texas A &M, gone the next day. I do wonder if he woke up in the morning thinking it was possible. And it's like Napier, I think he probably had to.

45:18Darius Butler:He did. He did for sure. He won, too. I don't think James Trayton. They win. Yeah, it fired him after a win.

45:24Pat McAfee:And then it was almost like it was being talked about, and I don't want to say anything out of line because Napier has been good to us and to our show and to game day, seemingly in a very difficult spot down there. Not saying Florida's a tough spot, but him, for whatever reason, maybe didn't hit on the right guys and they started losing. And their schedule every single year was like, you're playing every good team that has ever played. But it felt like a lot of people around college football on, like, Tuesday, Wednesday, before they played that game, were like, he's getting fired on Sunday. It's like, what if they beat Mississippi?

45:53Pat McAfee:No, yeah. He's getting fired. It's all happening on Sunday. It's like, well, what is that? Is that rounding up all the boosters to pay the payout? You think that's what it is? They had to get everybody on board? Like, no matter what happens, he's getting fired. So that decision had to be made, like, two weeks beforehand. And then it's like, okay, now they're leading up to one particular day for the – college football is crazy. I know you're advising right now. It is a wild season.

46:13Darius Butler:Something tells me that decision was probably made after the USF loss, and then they were probably just getting stuff in order.

46:18Pat McAfee:Had to get everything in order.

46:19Darius Butler:I think every name on there probably should have known that it was coming, except for those top two. I don't think they thought it was coming when it was coming.

46:26Pat McAfee:Dundee, you don't think middle of season, there's no way he thought it was coming. 20 years. Norvell seemed blindsided.

46:32Darius Butler:Jay?

46:33Pat McAfee:Yeah. Yeah, he did. Jay Norvell did not know that was coming. Honestly, up here at Colorado State, been here a long time. him and Coach Prime obviously had their words but that was good for the rivalry Trent Dilfer, I know he didn't think he was going to be in it he's a pioneer, that was his decision that was going to be his decision Trent Bray that guy can coach, and then you go to Brent Pride Virginia Tech didn't really give him a chance no they didn't Old Dominion 24-0 and a half or 30-whatever that was over, I love Brent hell of a guy, hell of a football coach but it just didn't work out Yeah, you got to win.

47:09Pat McAfee:This is a we need wins, which goes back to the NIL era where every team can get good in the offseason, which leads your boosters to think you're going to be good. And then whenever it's not good, it's like, well, what did I give my money to? Oh, well, I'm not giving you money. Yeah, right. I'm not doing that again. Well, we need your money. Well, I'm not. I'm not doing that. Same guy. Is that who I'm giving? Yeah, he's a good coach. I just gave$5 million and went down the drain. I might as well just light that on fire and maybe piss on it at my house. Why would I give it back to you guys? Oh, because we need it for the good of the thing.

47:40Pat McAfee:Well, I'm not giving that guy. We'll fire. All right, I'll double if you do that. Then all of a sudden, guy's fired. And now it's like, well, who's next? Is there enough coaches to be hired next? Are you going to hate the next guy? And then how long is that going to happen? I honestly don't know. This was kind of the conversation on game day where Kirk's like, I don't think these people that give$10 million should have any say in anything. It's how he started. And it's like, Kirk, I agree with what you're saying, but that is just not reality. It's not the way it works. How are you going to get$10 million from these people and then just expect them not to say anything?

48:11Pat McAfee:Or how do you expect them to not threaten to not give more money? There's a lot of power in there whenever you're taking$10 million, $5 million checks from people. Yeah, but it's not right. It's like we all agree with you, Herbie, but this is kind of the reality of the business. And it is crazy to think like we talk about the NFL firing offense coordinators or coaches with these young quarterbacks. It's like think about some of these colleges that are going to be in a – Oh, yeah. They're going to be chasing a dragon probably for a long, long time. And then there's going to be other schools that find their fit, like Virginia Tech, because BA is obviously looking for it.

48:43Pat McAfee:They're going to find their fit, and they're going to be able to build a massive, sustainable program. And their donors aren't going to care. They're going to keep doing it. It's like you're going to see – if you can evaluate talent or not, you're going to see, I think, in college over the next 10 years what it's going to be.

48:55Daniel Jones:That's why Texas' setup is kind of awesome. They have the committee at the top that the coach goes to, and then it's more so like, hey, the boosters can bitch at the committee and then maybe the committee can transfer that message to the coach kind of properly.

49:10Pat McAfee:I hope so. Let's go to some baseball. Last night, 18-inning World Series battle where Shohei Otani, the biggest star in the sport, was on base nine times in one game. And now tonight he'll be the starting pitcher in a World Series game. We have insane stuff happening. And joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's been covering baseball and ESPN for 35 years. Friend of the program. He's on a pregame show, which we need to be able to see better and easier. Ladies and gentlemen, Carl Ravis. Ravis, what up, baby? Not me, baby, not me. I don't know, it was 4 a.m. when we rolled into the rack, 145 out here on the West Coast.

49:49That's not supposed to happen. I'll tell you one thing. You guys saw some of it, I'm sure. It was amazing for 12 innings, and then it kind of slowed down, and then it ended with another Freddie Freeman bag. We're watching some amazing, amazing things in Major League Baseball the last couple of years. We knew going into this thing, the Dodgers were the most talented team that money has ever bought. But boy, the Blue Jays split the first two games and forced them into 18 innings last night. We got ourselves a really good World Series is what we got, Pat.

50:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, I've been paying attention. I've actually enjoyed the hell out of it. I know baseball people might not love the way the Dodgers have gone about doing what they've done to build this roster. Me, as kind of like floating sports fan, love whenever you accrue a bunch of stars and they all show up. Like, I love whenever the stars and studs do their jobs because I like whenever teams try to go for it and it works. On the flip side, this Blue Jay story is incredible. Who was the buddy that got paid$15 ,000? Alejandro Kirk, their catcher. This guy not supposed to be in baseball games. I know that.

50:52Pat McAfee:I'm watching him on TV. I'm like, who's this guy? He's my favorite baseball player. Then I just learned he got paid$15 ,000 out of a Mexican league, basically, to come into the MLB. Five-foot-eight hitting dongs in the World Series. This is dream come true. Now, let's continue that conversation, dream come true for MLB for the World Series. Tonight, Shohei starting for the Dodgers. Obviously, this man is a spectacle. Obviously, this man is already an icon. Connor broached the question, hey, is this the greatest athlete of all time, let alone just greatest baseball player of all time? What should we expect from him tonight, obviously, with not much rest after getting on base nine times last night?

51:27Pat McAfee:And what is the expectation for the level of play this evening as a whole, Ravi? I don't think I really know your sport well enough for two games to be played in one night and then a biggest game of the year the next night. Yeah, it's probably a little bit easier to do it since it's baseball instead of, you know, your sport, football or basketball. There's not a lot of physicality going on in this thing. Look, with Otani, I expect greatness. I think he's going to come out and he's going to be great because that's what he does. Otani's in that class now, Pat, in which you would talk about Tiger Woods.

52:00You talk about Michael Jordan. You talk about Tom Brady. You expect him to do things because he expects himself to do things. I mean, I got a list here of Otani accomplishments that reads like something that you couldn't make up. I mean, it's Shohei Otani. He has reached base safely. Ten straight played appearances. Ten straight. So the final plate appearance of game two, and of course, nine times. Similar to Jordan, similar to the Tiger Woods effect on golf courses. Nobody wants to see a dude walked intentionally four times. Do we need an Otani rule? Should we limit the amount of time somebody is able to be intentionally walked in a game?

52:40Maybe it's two, maybe it's three. I mean, it's something to consider in a world in which baseball has made a lot of good rule changes to make the game better. Fans are what this is supposed to be about. I'm telling you, sitting right there in about row four, people were screaming because he's being walked. I mean, they want to see the confrontation.

53:00Pat McAfee:But look at the numbers. Yeah, they want to see the show, literally. Hey, that is what we're here for. Hey, we're here for the show. Hey, that's what we got going on. How would they be able to make that rule? like I know beer league softball you're a lot like two home runs and then it's an out every time you do that they'd be able to just act like they were pitching and it just not be an intentional walk well you can't you just yeah I mean that's what happened the fifth time that they instead of intentionally walk them they pitch around non-intentionally walked them I mean that but instead of putting up four fingers at least give the mirage that we're trying to pitch to the guy the same way they put the uh number of times you can throw over to first base you know they limited that they they have a pitch clock rob manford could sit there with a pen and a paper and say intentional walk limited to three times per player per game we'd like that now rob we know rob obviously got a chance to chat with him at the all-star game i think what baseball is doing and trying to evolve and catch up with the times and captivate uh an audience is wonderful i think the fact that a sport in a league as old as this is willing to adapt is a beautiful thing and also So their stars showing up for them is huge.

54:06Pat McAfee:Ty has a question for you, Ravi. Yeah, Ravi, it's kind of along the lines of that. They're not going to change that rule tonight. And I'm kind of thinking like the Blue Jays have to intentionally walk him every single time. I understand it's going to piss people off. That's not what anyone wants to see. But you just can't pitch to this guy. And I understand he's batting leadoff. So that kind of puts you in a precarious situation when you're putting a guy on right away. but just coming off last night's game, is there any way the Blue Jays can win this game tonight? Like, I mean, listen, I've watched the Blue Jays a lot this year, being a Yankees fan, but after how demoralizing that was, like, how do you see this game going tonight, I guess?

54:46Yeah, the bounce back question is a real one, Ty, and it's a good question, and Shane Bieber's going to be on the mound. Shane Bieber's got all sorts of, you know, great history of Cy Young, and he comes over here late in a deal with the Guardians. The question's going to be, and Bieber acknowledges it. I mean, I sat talking with Shane Bieber while we did the LCS on the radio. He's coming off Tommy John surgery. It's usually two years until you feel 100%. He doesn't know how he's going to feel. He literally says, every time I go out there, my arm is a mystery. So much of this is going to be in what he can do.

55:19The bigger issue when you talk about the game and the series globally is by the end of that game last night, with George Springer being out, with Kirk not being in the lineup anymore, with Barger being out, it felt more of a question of when do the Dodgers score because the Blue Jays don't have anybody in this lineup short of that guy on the screen and Vlad Guerrero. They can really hit a ball over the wall. Dalton Varsho maybe. But their lineup at the end of that game with some of the pinch running decisions that were made and the Springer injury. I don't see how George Springer plays tonight.

55:56Now, the same thing could be said about George Springer coming back from getting dinged on a knee with the baseball then hitting that immense home run, maybe the second biggest home run in Blue Jay history. That's really going to be the challenge for Toronto. How the hell are they going to score? It doesn't matter if it's Otani on the mound or anybody else. How are they going to score runs with their lineup that's banged up?

56:16Pat McAfee:Ravi, we appreciate you joining us. When can we watch you tonight? you got me at 5 to 6 Eastern time we'll be leading into and then last night Pat I know you were up we did a post game show from about 1.45 to 2.15 in the west coast so join us then I'll text you I'll let you know if we're running 4 again thank you Ravi Lazor post game show after an 18 inning game hell yeah Ravi hold it down bro that's awesome yeah i actually did a post game show after an 18 inning world series how about you yeah 115 he's damn 145 as you know managing maintenance repair and operations is never easy but for the ones who always rise to the challenge granger has your back from professional grade products you can count on to fast dependable delivery they're there to help you keep things running smoothly Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions.

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58:29Pat McAfee:We'll be right back. The legend, A.J. Hawker. Hawker, how are you? That number seems to grow, huh? I think you started at 32 or 33. It's already over 40. Well, you had multiple games over 30. I think you only had one game over 40. And you said, there's a bunch of J.O.P.s on there. My coach really padded his stats. Nonetheless, this cranium right here was all over the yard in every yard that he was playing football. And on that note, the Chiefs is all the way back. Congrats to you getting it right. Forcing me to go the other way. Thought you were an underdog type guy. Turns out you're not. Worst slate in history in the last 55 years for the NFL.

59:04Pat McAfee:2080 will be the next time that this will take place if we were to repeat the same time frame where there's only one game that is a one-score game on an entire NFL slate. What did you learn from last night's 10.5-point spread where the Chiefs covered easily over the Washington Commanders, AJ? Yeah, the Chiefs did cover easily eventually. It got to that. But early on, it was a bit of a, I don't know, what is Gumpy called those soccer games that are terribly cagey? Le 'Kagey, Le 'Kagey, Le 'Kagey. Yeah, it was definitely a defensive battle early, I would say. Some turnovers, obviously, both sides.

59:35But, yeah, the Chiefs know what to do. The Chiefs know how to win. That's what they're programmed to do. It's what Patrick Mahomes is programmed to do. And they just find ways to win. And also credit to that Chiefs defense again. They played very well, I thought.

59:46Pat McAfee:B.A., what do you see from the offensive side with the amount of weapons that Patrick Mahomes is having? They're saying this might be the best offense that they've ever had whenever they get this thing really rolling with the amount of weapons that they have. Yeah, they got Pachanko going in to run a game and offensive lines playing better. Rasheed Rice makes a huge difference. And the speed is showing up. You know, since Tyreek has been gone, the speed is starting to show back up. I just would – Pat would get out of bounds some. He took some hits he don't need to take. Yeah, well, that was last year.

1:00:13Pat McAfee:Remember last year and also earlier this year when they weren't playing that well, he started doing the I-gotta-be-the-guy guy. You know, and I think he views himself as tough guy. Grew up, obviously, in a clubhouse baseball. Dad's a dog. I think he views himself as a dog. I don't think he sees himself as we all see him. Like, yo, brother, you're already on the Mount Rushmore football players. Brother, you're already in a GOAT conversation. Brother, if you get hurt, they are screwed over there in Kansas City. I don't think he sees it like that right now. No, he's too tough for his own good, and a lot of these guys are getting that way.

1:00:40But he took one or two shots on the sideline. He could have just stepped out of bounds. And I think since he started the flexing, guys are taking bigger shots on him.

1:00:49Pat McAfee:Well, that was because he did the do-si-do on a guy and hits a guy. And then everybody that has a defensive helmet on their head or ever has worn a defensive helmet on their head said, Dad, keep doing that. Go ahead and keep doing it. And the NFL doesn't want to happen either. These refs, okay, let's get into it. Here we go. Age, age. Bruce Arians has been a coach 47 years in football. Okay. I've obviously not witnessed all 47 years of him coaching football. I've only seen one year. and uh i think i saw enough to really have a pretty good grasp on how this whole thing goes we're in spring okay ots running some drills seven on seven or whatever had refs in local refs that are like college refs okay local refs that are college refs they come in just getting some practice okay just getting some practice but hey if you're just going to get some practice don't be ruining our practice is ba's mindset guy misses a touchdown okay guy misses clearly two feet in.

1:01:46Pat McAfee:He calls him out. Obviously, the defense does a full celebration. I mean, it was clearly a touchdown. Me and Vinny are standing right there, two feet clearly in. Bad call by the refs. Defense doesn't want to hear. Defense does a full to B.A., you know, because B.A.'s coming in wearing all black on days that he kills him in the whole funeral. So, B.A. listens to the defense and then just completely turns to this ref. Just beeline to ref. Let's him know how big of an embarrassment he is, basically. and how much he chooses. He undresses this ref in this OTA thing, and he walks away. Then he walks away, and then he starts talking shit to the defense and talks shit about the ref while talking shit to the defense to them and walks away.

1:02:27Pat McAfee:I was like, yes. This is before I got to see him in action during games. Then during games, you got that side judge or whatever on the sideline. Unbelievable working of this side judge. I think he has a personal relationship with basically all of them. I am pretty sure he has a personal relationship with all of them, But B.A., much like the players, okay, I think players normally feel this way a lot more than coaches do, at least enact on it. B.A. understands these refs are very important to the game. And when they are asked, they need to hear about it. I asked B.A. this morning, hey, anything you want to talk about?

1:03:00Pat McAfee:We need to talk about these refs. That's what he said, okay? That was his big takeaway. Okay. And I'll tell you what, compelling case whenever you start seeing some things. And obviously, everybody's talking about the tush push. We'll save that for last. There were some clear and obvious ones on Sunday Night Football in the biggest game between the Steelers and the Packers that they didn't get right. Broderick Jones, Pittsburgh Steelers, left tackle, actually goes in motion, basically, for a play. Now, it's not as easy to see if you're not looking for it at the beginning, which a ref should be.

1:03:27Pat McAfee:They get sky cam on this. This guy's behind the guard before the ball's even snapped. Don't know how you missed that. Awesome. That's what drives me crazy. The clear and obvious. They don't warn the tackles anymore. where they'll call him, and now you see a tackle sitting back four yards. This guy's offside, and then the one where the defense jumps offside. On the next drive. So now the Green Bay Packers have a chance. Mike is trying to scare him, get Zach Frazier, jump offside. How you doing? What he actually gets is his D tackle to move. Devontae Wyatt. And then Rashawn Gary also. There's two guys offside.

1:04:00Pat McAfee:This is on third down. Aaron just being in the game 20 years. Okay, this is a free play. Almost to the point where they should have stopped it because they almost made contact. Like, if there's no contact in their offsides, they let the free play happen. This guy was so close to Frazier, you thought they might even stop it because there's contact. Then Aaron Rodgers throws an incompletion. It's now fourth down. He goes bananas on these refs. But this is the biggest game of the weekend. This is Sunday night football. This is early. These are some important parts of the game. Very clear and obvious they're missing it.

1:04:29Pat McAfee:Are they dropping down a level right now? Are the refs getting worse right now at the clear and obvious? I think it's totally true that quality from week to week is getting worse. I don't like that. Because then you say, B.A., there's just one crew. That's just one crew down there. He's like, check Tampa Bay game. Check Tampa Bay game against the Saints. So this play, I think we need sound on, please. Spencer Rattler, quarterback for the New Orleans. I'm sorry, is this Spencer Rattler? This is, yeah. Spencer Rattler, quarterback for the Saints. Sound, please. For sure. Thanks to Glenn and Chaz.

1:05:02Pat McAfee:Rattler on the slant. That was the first down, and then the ball came loose. Taken back by Winfield. No whistles. The fumbles recovered by the defense. There was a whistle blow. Commentator just said no whistles. Pereira, I think, is in the middle of saying, I didn't hear a whistle. The ball was clearly out. Obviously, it off with him. So they take touchdown back off of the board. They still have the fumble recovery there. B.A. says, oh, okay, yeah, just take a touchdown off the board because of a whistle that none of us heard, and it was on the opposite side of the field. Is that what you were told?

1:05:37Yeah, the opposite side official wasn't even his call. Makes a call, blows a whistle. Now, to me, that's suspension. Yeah. That's a suspension. You don't call any more games the rest of this year. It's the NFL. It's not your call. It's the highest level. It's not your call. Let the person call it. It's supposed to be. This inadvertent whistle thing drove me crazy for a long, long time. This is about the third one of these I've had.

1:05:59Pat McAfee:Okay, and he said, I, we've had, as if he's still in the Bucs, you'll see some of the awards he gives out. He does have to walk into that building still on that point. And then obvious the one, the tush push. The tush push is clear and obvious and also incredibly hyped. And whenever you think about this play, yesterday, Dan Orlovsky and our conversation about it, 2 million views on X. The other one, like 1.8 million views on X. People obviously at the point of wanting to figure this out. Now, most people saying, get it out of the game. Philadelphia people are still putting up the same fight that they had during the offseason whenever they were trying to ban this.

1:06:30Pat McAfee:It's like, hey, it's a football play. If it's so easy, why doesn't everybody do it? Then we watch the offsides that happen. We watch the illegal motions. Now we're watching this happen where they say forward progress has stopped and they take away a fumble recovery for the New York football giants against the Philadelphia Eagles. Clear and obvious to everybody but the refs. Yeah, to me it's like, okay, I'm all for the tush push. I mean, Jalen Hurts is unbelievable. Only he can do it. But if you can't referee the play, the play's got to get out of the game. And obviously they can't referee this play anymore.

1:06:58Between all the false starts, the offsides, and this ridiculous play that forward progress was stopped, they're all going forward. He's reaching forward when they take the ball away. And it got reviewed. Now, if you're going to review it, you review the whole play.

1:07:14Pat McAfee:Just get the right call. But they're saying that forward progress being stopped trumps everything. Yeah, they've been using that for a long time. That's a scapegoat. Yeah, it has been the trump card. Their trump card has always been the forward progress thing if they made a mistake. But we're at the point now where it's like, why not just get it right if you can get it right? We're already doing the New York drop-in expedited rules. Well, they can't overturn everything. They can't put a flag out. It's like, why not? You guys are letting them basically do that anyways. Why don't we just get the call right if we know it's clear and obvious?

1:07:42Pat McAfee:And the way this was originally reported, correct me if I'm wrong, I think one of the aggregator accounts put it out and said there was a mistimed whistle or something like that. It was like the whistle actually didn't blow until after Thibodeau had the ball. So there was no blow of this thing being dead. It was just a forward progress conversation. AJ, Bruce Brown, New York Giants fan, obviously, so he's going to feel a little bit a certain way about this. He said if they were to stop forward progress every time they did a tush-push, well, what's the push for? Because at some point he's going to stop, and then they're going to push him.

1:08:11Pat McAfee:So are they stopping the forward progress every single time now? Is that the expectation? Is the first time he stops is what the tush-push is? Which goes to B.A.'s point. None of us know what everybody's going to do, which is probably what the defenses would like to have a little clarity on, AJ. Yeah, everyone needs some clarity, I feel like. But also, it's getting worse as the season goes when it comes to the tush push and things like that. The stuff that I guess you should be able to figure out, that you shouldn't be making repeat mistakes, they continue to make them. And I'm sure there's plenty of good refs out there.

1:08:39I know that. There really is. But the problem is the bad ones make all of them look much worse, I feel like.

1:08:43Pat McAfee:I just heard B.A. say, where? I just heard them say. Trying to give the benefit of the doubt. There's got to be some good ones. No, there is. There certainly is good refs. We're not going to say it. It's very difficult to get an entire team of good refs. In this environment, not a lot of people are signing up to be refs. That is certainly an issue, which goes back to we need that player pipeline. We need that academy. I think so. I legitimately think it's a good idea. Yes, indeed. Do you think the NFL will ever get on board with it? I would think so. It's for former players. For me, it's like whatever we can do to help a former player transition to the next step after playing.

1:09:21we do it for broadcasting we do it for some other things they do it for business Steve Freeman was the best back judge I ever knew because he played safety for 13 years he knew exactly where his eyes were supposed to be all the time to me that was like we need more Steve Freedmans out here

1:09:37Pat McAfee:and we're not saying that all refs have to be former players but we're saying if we can recruit former players to become officials by this academy that the NFL and the NFLPA have done for many years you talked about broadcast they did for business as well I think there's a social media one now there's all these different things that kind of get pieced together like little boot camps that get pieced together to help players do it. If it was actually that big of a deal to the league, I mean you can make that a year round thing. Offer salaries, you can get on scholarship, you can even get sponsors to get in there because everybody wants the ref thing to be fixed and you're taking care of former players.

1:10:08Pat McAfee:Easy baby face move by the NFL to do this and I think you'd get guys that appreciate the job know the job and also aren't scared I think some people in some of these calls are scared to make the call. And it's like, are you scared? Are you confident? What is going on? And new refs probably getting intimidated. I would say that is something that could certainly happen, especially on NFL field, whenever you're seeing people that maybe you even played video games with playing alongside you. And they're talking to you. And you've got BA in your ear as well. That's a real – not a lost art, but that's a thing great coaches do.

1:10:38They will work the refs to where you might get a little help as the game goes on.

1:10:42Pat McAfee:Yeah, and a little frantic too. You're getting in there, maybe a little frazzled. I'm not saying every ref, but we're just saying, like, if we can get players in these positions, I think that would be good for the game. And I think we should be trying to promote that legitimately. I think that's something they should think about doing.

1:10:55Daniel Jones:Well, and the whole thing, it's strictly about accountability. Like, guess what? Refs are going to screw it up no matter what forever. But if you're not accountable, then you'll just continue to screw up and it won't matter whatsoever because it didn't matter then and they can just skate by and go to the next game. And to your point about the aggregator tweet, yeah, Yeah, it was like early whistle on the Eagles before the fumble. That's wrong. But, you know, 10 million views later, everyone thinks that there's an early whistle. So people not knowing ball, also a massive problem. But, like, no matter what, the pipelines absolutely should happen.

1:11:27Daniel Jones:People from those pipelines will get calls wrong. Like, that happens. Human error forever in the past and the future will always happen. But it's strictly accountability. Like, if you don't have accountability, then nothing actually matters.

1:11:40Pat McAfee:And on that note, Gene Steratore, right? We've talked to him a lot about how he handles being a ref. And he's like, hey, you know what? DB was holding a little bit. Didn't affect the play. We kind of carry on here. This one, not a part of the play. We just kind of keep it. Feel, like a feel for the – and I'm not saying that there's zero NFL officials currently that have a feel for the game. I'm just saying like ex-players would have that feel. You know, it's like we should – that seems like a – You've got to get the easy ones right. You've got to get the easy ones right. Like, that's the thing.

1:12:10Like, I understand there's some tough ones. There's some, you know, was that PI? Was it not PI? Whatever. It's just those I understand a little bit, the judgment calls, but some of these things, like, seem like almost day one install stuff for refs.

1:12:22Pat McAfee:Broderick Judd's there, 77. I mean, him going in motion. That is literally what he did. He won motion. And then the refs are like, hey, listen. Listen, we'll make up for you. We'll get you back. We'll get you back. We'll let you get two guys off sides, almost touch on third down. Like, for Aaron Rodgers, it's pretty big down here. This is the money down. In his head, third and eight. Okay, obviously third and long, but I got a free shot here at anything. Okay, guy's covered, but let's go ahead and give it a go here. Why not? You know, let's just kind of think.

1:12:49Daniel Jones:They're the most touchdowns in the history of the NFL with getting. Free plays. Yeah, yeah.

1:12:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's Aaron's thing. Too many men jump off, false start, offsides. His cadence is his cadence. That is why he does it. So he feels like, yep, did it again. Hello, Pittsburgh. This is the show. And him getting it to Green Bay, probably like. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is my shit. I took you down memory lane real quick, getting a free play. And then the ref's just being like, yeah, it's fourth down, bro. Yeah. That was an incomplete pass. Good pressure, by the way.

1:13:17Darius Butler:We punted it and never got another stop. And that was the end of the game.

1:13:20Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. So you guys lost not because Brett Michaels wasn't hurt by the entire stadium. You lost because of this. Yep. Mike has drawn his own guys off sides, you know, trying to bait Zach Frazier. Got his hand on the ball. Obviously not. Yep, definitely lost because of that. That's crazy that that happened to you guys. And you guys are calling for people's jobs. No kidding. You should be the refs.

1:13:42Darius Butler:Nobody's calling for anybody's jobs. Yet. We're just pointing out facts. So. Everyone else can come to their own conclusions. I like that.

1:13:50Pat McAfee:What would that be described? What is your conclusion? Leading the witness. Leading. On that note, let's do a little BS or no BS with B.A., shall we? This is our favorite segment. Every single week, we present a statement of fact to Coach B.A. and he tells us if that's BS or if that's no BS. Here's the first one. Running back that trick. Oh, sorry. I missed it. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I got real excited. I got real excited. I got real excited. That was great. I got really, really, really excited. Running back that brink truck up. Okay, like back that ass up. Are we thinking that running backs are about to get paid?

1:14:30Pat McAfee:Running backs are about to get the brink truck. Is that BS or no BS, B-A? That's no BS. I mean, you look at the guys that just got paid, they're going to get paid a whole lot more. And then you've got all these young guys who are absolutely tearing it up. But the thing I think that separates most of them, especially the young guys getting ready to be paid, is that they're great receivers. They're great receivers, got a lot of money. Quarterbacks obviously got a lot of money. Defensive ends got a lot of money. The running backs weren't getting paid. They were saying that the running backs, there was like 30 of them.

1:15:02Pat McAfee:No big deal. but we can put anybody in these jobs. They actually had like a little bit of a holdout, these running backs. If you remember, Saquon at one point alongside Jonathan Taylor, they said, we're not doing it anymore. We're not going to play. Jonathan Taylor was the only one that really stuck to it, I must say. Everybody else kind of folded. Jonathan Taylor remained with his hoodie up and at practice saying, nope, I'm worth more. You need to pay me. Now, they inevitably did. I didn't love the way he went about doing it. They need to pay him again so we don't have that situation. but it does feel like the running back is becoming the main feature of offenses that are great again.

1:15:34Pat McAfee:And that's got to be special as an old-time football coach. Yeah, you look at Christian McCaffrey, what, two weeks ago, 63 % of the offense was Christian McCaffrey. Yeah. And was, what, 147 yards rushing, seven catches. And I think that's what separates those guys, that there's such mismatches in the passing game. Gibbs, Acne, Bijon, all these guys are huge mismatches in the passing game. So that wasn't always a thing. I remember back whenever they would say, like, well, this running back doesn't have good hands. Nowadays, you kind of have to. Doesn't everybody kind of have to have good hands at this stage of football?

1:16:10I think the only guy right now who's a great running back that plays first or second down is Derrick Henry. He's never in there on third down. And he can catch. He's great on screens and stuff. So I don't know why he doesn't play more on third down. Yeah, because I wouldn't mind checking it down to him and let him go. Yeah, of course. That'd be nice to give Derek Henry the ball.

1:16:27Pat McAfee:They're 2-6 right now. The thought of back in the day, though, you talked about the first two downs. If a running back could run routes like a wide receiver, it was like this guy's feet are absolutely unbelievable. Now it's basically, hey, you're a running back. You've got to catch. You've got to run a route. You've got to be able to block. You're almost like a tight end in a backfield all of a sudden, and you're getting the ball handed to you. I think that's inevitably going to lead to the value going way up. How long does this last for? Is this the new fad? You know, because like them not being valuable was a fad.

1:16:57Pat McAfee:And then now they're back. Is this sustainable? We think this is how everybody's going to try to build. Are there enough of these guys out there? I think there are. And they're getting more and more coming from college that are really multidimensional. And the speed factor is unbelievable. When you look at B. John Robinson with Al's years in the back for him splitting out, who's covering him? If it's a linebacker or safety, that ball's coming right now. Check, check. Here we go, baby. and I go back to the days where I had Christian Okoye and Barry Ward big 260, 250 backs first and second down third down here comes Todd McNair he leads the team in receiving we play the Chargers big backs Ronnie Harmon comes in you can't cover this guy he's going to beat you every time so I see the halfback it went to H-backs tight ends kind of became the mismatch Brock Bowers those type guys now it's coming back to the halfbacks you're seeing a lot more empty sets those guys going especially in a two-back set say they've got a big back and a fast guy.

1:17:53I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit had Montgomery and Gibbs in the game real soon together.

1:17:57Pat McAfee:Oh, the tag team, Sonic and Knuckles. Did you hear what they were calling them after week one up there in Detroit, B.A.? Did you hear what they were calling them? No, I did not. Oh, hey, Foxy, what were you guys calling them? What were you calling them specifically, these guys? They're leading your team now? Don't listen to Pat.

1:18:11Darius Butler:I never called them this, but after week one when we got our asses kicked by the Packers instead of Sonic and Knuckles, they were calling them ass and cheeks, and I didn't like it one bit. That's what they were saying. That's what they were saying up there in Detroit. Sometimes you got to eat that shit.

1:18:29Pat McAfee:Sometimes you do. AJ, you were in the CTE hardhead era of running backs and obviously middle linebacker. Wasn't that a combo? Like, hey, this running back can catch good. Now it's like, yeah, of course. Everybody has to. Yeah, and be a hit on it. It's like the matchups. I mean, Reggie Bush in Detroit, they'd motion him out to one. You've got a linebacker running out there, trying to get in a weird little corner stance and act like you're comfortable out there covering Reggie Bush, running routes. So yeah, it creates matchup issues everywhere. These guys now, they're so fluid in their routes as well.

1:19:03Think about it. You can get the matchups you want. You can manipulate everything right here. Just get the ball in space. It's a low-risk play, and the dude can do things like this with the ball. and you just, it's basically a toss sweep that Goff throws to him and he can take it to the house.

1:19:19Pat McAfee:Okay, so you said you can manipulate matchups. Can we explain that a little bit more? So obviously you've got two outside wide receivers. Those are going to eat up the corners. Then you've got probably a slot in there. That's going to eat up your nickel. So normally the running back is being guarded by a linebacker, right? Isn't that kind of unless they go to dime and then they'll have a safety kind of covering them? Yeah, and he's got to be able to tackle in the box because you put that personnel in, they're going to run the ball on you. All right? So if you're trying to match up with DBs, they're going to run it down your throat.

1:19:46That's the beauty of having two backs. All right? Are you going to treat this as pony and play nickel? Well, that big back's going to pound your ass. All right? And if you try to load the box, here we go with that mismatch. That's the beauty of the chess game of football.

1:19:59Pat McAfee:So the running back being able to catch, that's why it was such a big conversation. Like, hey, have to have a linebacker in here because we'll just pound them if they don't. But if they have a linebacker in here, he runs 4-7. We got guy runs 4-3, 4-4 back here. So that's an automatic mismatch, basically, in every style of offense, or is it just certain styles of offense? I think it's every. I mean, I go back to Marshall Falk, who I thought probably was the best running the football and running routes. Then we had David Johnson in Arizona, who close to that 1 ,000 and 1 ,000, real close. Those guys are very, very hard to find, but I'm seeing more and more of them coming into the league now.

1:20:36Pat McAfee:Joseph Adai, I was very lucky to watch him work. He worked on his routes. He worked on his cuts and everything like that. And I remember people around him talking about how – some people were telling him he was wasting time getting good at that as a running back. And he thought, if I can get open, Peyton's going to throw me the ball. This, I want to – I would like to shake the shit out of these guys and get the ball from Peyton. He did just that. I almost got an MVP in the Super Bowl. I mean, he is. You're talking about being an absolute beast. But that was whenever I was rookie. That's how they were talking.

1:21:04Pat McAfee:That's 2009. People were talking like, hey, what are you doing this for almost? And then now it's like, if you don't do this, you're probably not going to see the field. It's an interesting kind of evolution of the position, I think.

1:21:16Darius Butler:Remember, Le 'Veon was doing it at 225 pounds. He was so smooth. He's a freak. Absolute freak.

1:21:22Pat McAfee:Yeah. He was awesome to watch play football. I mean, that was just – He was real fun to cover it. Same thing. They would do that where linebackers have him. Like, you have a two-on-one, like me with the other backer, and Le 'Veon's back there, and you're sitting there like, man, just please don't motion out in the slot. Just don't send this dude out. Third down, he just pops up his little saunters out there, and I'm sitting there with outside leverage looking at my inside. I'm like, hey, you better be hard inside, buddy. I am pushing him inside. And he shakes both of us. I'm like, all right, cool.

1:21:50This is fun. You do that for four straight quarters. It's terrible.

1:21:53Pat McAfee:Who's calling plays? Was that you? I wonder if that was B.A. called. I didn't have the killer Bs. Okay. Todd? Todd Haley. Yeah, I appreciate Todd Haley seeing the milk check out there, too, with A.J. Hawk rolling out. Yeah. Hey, Lev. Yeah, we're going to do that. We try to keep him in. That's when you try to keep him in. You go hug. You hug the A guy. I'm like, I'm blitzing, buddy. You got to stay in, right? He would never even honor us because I never got to go. Never honor us. He never honored us. He's like, I know. I've watched film, bud. You're not coming. I know. Look at me, bro. Look at me.

1:22:21I'm coming. Here we go.

1:22:23Pat McAfee:Never honored us. What a way to describe that. Yep. They never took us serious. Every time we showed, they never honored us. I'd have to get out from the O-line, actually, or D-line and go out there. Go ahead, Con.

1:22:33Daniel Jones:Was Todd Gurley like that? Like Todd Gurley, the stats always come around where it's like Todd Gurley would be fifth in touchdowns going back to 2015 and now. Was he receiving that? What, he had a knee? Yeah, it was like degenerative knee disease or something. He was so good. Well, yes, he was definitely like that.

1:22:48Pat McAfee:Yeah, running back's a fun position. I didn't even think about the way we're kind of talking about it and the way I think you want us to talk about it. It's like the tight end position obviously having a massive uptick for everybody. Like, hey, need one? Running back position is that plus some because you can just hand them the ball. Not that you can't do that to a tight end, but you can literally just do this one here. Good for the running backs. It was a little dicey there for a little bit. It was. It was a little dicey there for a little bit at further position. Congrats to them. Now let's go to the second statement of fact that they've been saying, B.A.

1:23:19Yeah, Bruce, there's a lot of chatter out there that every head coach in the AFC North is on the hot seat. Is that B.S. or no B.S., B.A.? I think that's no B.S. Whoa! Oh! This was supposed to be the best division in football. They got one team with a winning record of 4-3. All right, that's not good. And they got to play each other. 9-8 might win the division. Whoever wins the division gets to come back next year. I think the other three are probably looking for a job.

1:23:47Pat McAfee:Okay, now, whenever we put this together, this graphic, I looked at that. Because you never really think an entire division's head coaching staff is potentially going to be changed in one offseason. You know, because somebody has to win the AFC North, which is kind of what you're saying at 9-8. But you look at some of the legends there. You know, like Tomlin's been in the Pittsburgh Steelers a long time. Harbaugh's been with the Baltimore Ravens a long time. Now, obviously, Stefanski's been through it. Two-time coach of the year. Yeah, like four or five different eras of the Cleveland Browns. And to your point, two-time coach of the year.

1:24:15Pat McAfee:And then Zach Taylor with the Bengals, there's like at the beginning, this guy's a doofus. Then he goes to the Super Bowl. Yeah. With Cincinnati Bengals, this guy's a king. And now everybody's kind of cooled off. All the fan bases have cooled off basically on all of these coaches. and I don't know how loud and how long that can be, but whenever I saw this graphic and I heard you were saying no BS, it's like that would be wild if the entire AFC North got a new facelift. Yeah. That would be an insane thing, especially for how traditional and how historic the AFC North is as a whole.

1:24:43Daniel Jones:Yeah, and now the stats, especially when it comes to Zach Taylor, to your point, are coming out how, you know, the teams that have scored 38-plus points in NFL history are, you know, 260, not the exact number, but 260, 6-1. and the Bengals are 1-3 in those games, and they're the only team to lose multiple games that way. And so I saw a lot of people more so kind of broaching the question, hey, why haven't you changed anything if this hasn't been working?

1:25:09Pat McAfee:Here's a stat from Hembo for the defensive side of things, which we can certainly visit here. Scoring defense of every division. This is points per game that they give up. AFC North, 27.4 points per game they're giving up.

1:25:21Darius Butler:Who put that emoji there?

1:25:22Pat McAfee:That was Hembo. Hembo did that? Yeah, Hembo said, it's a little dookie, brother. And I'll tell you what, you never want to be described as a dookie. That's about as shitty as it can get. And when you look at that, you think about the AFC North. It's a defensive-led division, which is why this is Cleveland's defense, Pittsburgh's defense, Baltimore's defense. The only one that we don't think about defense immediately is Cincinnati Bengals, and that's because they paid so much money to the offense. But that's supposed to be a defensive-heavy, grind-and-pound-type division. And then the stats are coming out like, nope, not like that at all.

1:25:55Pat McAfee:And when expectations are this and you come in like this, that's whenever, you know, potential jobs. But all these franchises are super slow moving when it comes to these types of decisions. Well, and that's what I was going to ask you, B.A., is like when you got guys like Tomlin and Harbaugh who have been there for so long and are Hall of Fame coaches, if there is like a big facelift in the AFC North, do you think the talent pool in the NFL, like will they be able to just replace those guys with ease? because that's what we're talking about in college right now. All these guys are getting fired, and it's like, well, are we going to be able to find good enough?

1:26:27Pat McAfee:I don't even want to get into that right now, but who are filling all these college jobs? That's what I mean. The talent pool is just not there. Is the NFL always going to find that next guy, though? I don't think so. I think each one of these teams historically has been very, very consistent in what they do. And who is behind door number two? That's your question. And if I've got a guy that I really like behind door number two, I'm going to make a move. But if it's just a bunch of guys no I'm going to keep my guy. He knows what he's doing. He's just had a bad year. But for this division especially if they lose in the first round of the playoffs for this division to get wiped out that fast that's not good.

1:27:06Pat McAfee:The who is going to be your coach next combo. It seemingly comes after the final. You've got to have some. I would imagine you only do it if you have one or two people in mind that you really want to go after that you think you can get. We're doing BS or no BS with BA right now, so I don't want to get off topic, but all these college jobs, who are they hiring? Everybody has money. Everybody has good NIL. Everybody has good opportunity. You could add Virginia Tech into this thing. There's a lot of good opportunities. Who's going to get hired for all these jobs? Is it just going to be like musical chairs and the guys who have got fired are just going to...

1:27:44James Franklin heading to Florida.

1:27:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, exactly. Brian Kelly's back at Penn State. He's a northern guy.

1:27:49Darius Butler:I would rather do like the what Oregon with Dan Lanning. Like, hey, try to find an up-and-coming coordinator who you know is – well, it's hard to know.

1:27:57Pat McAfee:So for the Steelers, if the Steelers were to move on from Coach Tomlin, which, by the way, very unlikely unless Coach Tomlin wants to. That is just – and, you know, we say slow moving. They would describe it as patience, and they judge other organizations that make too quick of decisions. This is professional football. That's run by a bunch of emotional amateurs that make decisions, split decision because they don't know what they're doing that is how it's described whenever they hang on to coaches that is what people say about their facility we are patient we build we like to you know the foundation to be strong in this entire thing now the fans of those teams say i'm about sick of this particular foundation i'd like a new house but within those buildings they don't feel that way it's like hey this is our house we're very proud of it so who would you want for let's say you were a pittsburgh steelers sure and they were to move on from coach strong what's type of coach would you be looking for because they go young defense yes the last like three

1:28:52Darius Butler:times that was going to be my immediate answer because they've had uh three coaches since i think it was 68 or something like that when chuck knoll was hired and obviously cower was a young special teams coach tomlin a young defensive coach that's the where you would immediately look because we're just that's just who we are and we want our coach to be able to be able to be there for 15 to 20 years. I would not want to retread coach. But yeah, like a young like someone who Tomlin is great. He's been a great players coach. It's hypothetical. Someone who's maybe a little more stern.

1:29:27Pat McAfee:Harbaugh, now let's say the Baltimore Ravens. If they were to move on from Harbaugh, who do you think Budda and the boys over there would be hoping would become the Baltimore Ravens?

1:29:35Darius Butler:Great question.

1:29:35Pat McAfee:Bring Minter back.

1:29:36Darius Butler:That was what I was leaning to.

1:29:39Daniel Jones:Minter would be a dog, obviously. And then, like, the college conversation, like, do you really look for a coach or do you just look for the quarterback and then tell the OC of the quarterback, hey, you're the head coach, bring him.

1:29:50Pat McAfee:Song of Politelli, good win by you guys. I can't believe Virginia Tech got Cal. Song of Politelli is going to be a special. He's going to stay at Cal. Well, I've got him figured out. I don't want to get into the Cal rhythm for saying anything negative, but college obviously much crazier. The NFL, though, I'll be excited to see who the next ones are. that kind of come through here. But an entire division, especially like a historic division, having all of their coaches potentially on the hot seat is crazy, AJ Hawk. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that would be wild if that did happen. But I guess with all these opportunities out there, we're going to see some young up-and-comers that we don't really know much about get a chance.

1:30:29Get a chance, hey, you can be the guy. What about Halfley? We'll see who it is.

1:30:34Pat McAfee:Halfley's been a head coach before. He's pretty happy where he's at, though. Is he, though? He's got Micah now. Oh, yeah, he's doing great. He's got Micah jumping off sides, pushing his D-tap off sides, and they're not calling it. That would be fun. Exactly. That would be a fun thing to have if you had it. It's perfect. There was one thing that upset me watching that game. Okay. I've never seen the Steelers have to use a silent count at home. Yeah, Aaron talked about that. And for the Steeler fans, that's embarrassing. Oh, no. I mean, when you've got that many Packer fans, and I still call it Heinz Field.

1:31:05It is. But when it's that, that's unheard of. Go back, go. I mean, what was a bad sign for me? Well, they're quarterback for 20 years.

1:31:15Darius Butler:They bought these tickets years and years and years ago. They circled this game on their calendars for a long time.

1:31:20Pat McAfee:On that note, I think you could circle back to Pittsburgh is a football town, and Pittsburgh has seen a lot of football over there that is not, in their eyes, Super Bowl football. And status quo has kind of just snuck in. It's like, yep, this is what we're doing. Now, on that note, Steelers did vastly different things this offseason.

1:31:41Darius Butler:Yes.

1:31:41Pat McAfee:Paid a lot of money in DK, burned some free agents, brought in Aaron Rodgers. I think they tried to mix it up. But I think Steelers fans are at the point of like, we're done with being a winning season celebration.

1:31:51Darius Butler:I've talked to a lot of fans who are leaving that game like, what are we even doing wasting our time coming down here to watch this product?

1:31:57Pat McAfee:Okay. That's where they're at. That's not good. You're scoring points, though. You're scoring points. Yeah. Agreed. But then they can't stop anybody. That's almost even worse. Yins are still, oh, no, we shit in our left hand, and we eat it on our right. That's great. That is kind of how they feel. But it's a fickle bunch. It's an emotional bunch. Big-time football fans. But I think for the last, what, three, four years, it's been like the same thing. Like, hey, we're done with the 9 and 8, okay? Because we don't even get a good draft pick. Yeah. We don't even get a good draft pick. So we're about – It's kind of always in purgatory.

1:32:29Pat McAfee:That's what – And Steelers fans know that they're in purgatory, I think. I think Steelers fans know. Not that that's definitely the case for this year's team. This year's team has enough talent. They can obviously turn it around. Defense can start flying around. They can go win a Super Bowl. But I don't think Yinser's fans are fucking listening to that right now. I think it's a late night on Sunday. I got to work on Monday, and we're going to lose? I don't think so, bud. That is how Yinsers probably think.

1:32:51Daniel Jones:And what sucks, too, like the draft pick for sure, but Patriots fans are getting it right now. You guys are playing no one. You're playing no one. The benefit of finishing last is you get an easier schedule. You do a couple years of last plays. All of a sudden, you're not in prime time playing the pack. You're not taking on the Chiefs. They're in the AFC North. That's always going to be hard. But then you're out of division games. You're not in a gauntlet. So the benefits of having a couple of shitty seasons is, hey, on the horizon, you are going to get an easier schedule and your team will get better.

1:33:19Daniel Jones:And then it's just a matter of hitting on the quarterback. But when you're looking at the Colts, the Seahawks, a few of these teams, it's like, hey, you don't have to draft a good quarterback anymore. You just need to get a better one.

1:33:28Pat McAfee:A lot of people are saying to us, Patriots and Colts, you guys haven't played anybody. and Connor, you were the one who said, yeah, we sucked. We got a shitty schedule. And I was like, yeah, we did. We earned this. It just goes back. We earned this schedule. What are you coming after us for? We earned this thing. And it's any given Sunday, it's the NFL.

1:33:43Daniel Jones:Yeah, it is. And, like, the Browns are the third best defense in the NFL, but the Browns aren't good when Drake May does well. And then the other thing, too, is, like, by the way, this just all goes back to nobody knows ball on the Internet. Like, there's a reason coaches don't go on the Internet because no one has a fucking clue what they're talking about, about anything, but especially football. Some people. Sure. Yeah, sure. I'm sure you could find them. But, like, that's the benefit that the Steelers will never get, you know. It's always focused on how the draft pick's in the middle. But, like, the other thing is that schedule.

1:34:11Daniel Jones:Because the AFC North is going to be hard no matter what. Division games in general are going to be hard no matter what. But if you don't finish in that bottom two, you're out of conference games. You're never going to be easy. And then you're going to be screwed no matter what.

1:34:21Pat McAfee:Hey, the Cleveland Browns for a long time have said, hey, we're going to take that.

1:34:23Daniel Jones:Yeah.

1:34:24Pat McAfee:We're going to take that bottom spot. Okay? A long time. We're going to go ahead and take that bottom spot. We're going to get that bad schedule. so we can get it again. If we don't, we'll get rid of the quarterback who was the rookie of the year. Yeah, exactly. Because you know what we want? We want that bad schedule. We don't want pro-tell.

1:34:42Daniel Jones:Yeah, but instead of Baker, they get a$40 million defensive end who just bitches and moans about the offense every game even though he signed up for it after requesting a trade. That's even better.

1:34:49Pat McAfee:No, no. Even better is you pay$230 million guaranteed for a guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you forgot. Yeah, you forgot that part of the whole thing that they're still living under. Oh, yeah. And on that note. He might play this year. I saw him working out. I hope. I saw him working out.

1:35:05Daniel Jones:One game,$200 million. I mean, that is what I call a contract, baby. Mulageta, hats off.

1:35:11Pat McAfee:Yeah, David Mulageta's really always doing this one here. You know, Jimmy Sexton's season's currently happening in college ball. Mulageta season, always cooking. Who can I break a record with next? You. Don't show up. Don't even think to me.

1:35:27Daniel Jones:Come here, Michael. Come here.

1:35:28Pat McAfee:Come here, Michael. You talk to Jerry Wynn. What you say? No, you didn't. Conor's got the last BS or no BS or BS.

1:35:36Daniel Jones:Yeah, let's move on from the AFC North, Bruce. The AFC South and NFC South division races are over. Oh, I think that's total bullshit. What? Whoa. No. I was just on the show. 7-1, 6-2, but the teams behind them, they got to play twice. They still got to play twice. That part of it is a lot of football, and the teams behind them are playing pretty good football. So I think they're going to do it. I think they'll win it, but I think they've got a lot of football ahead of them. The Bucs need to get healthy. The Colts need to stay healthy.

1:36:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, so the Jags, obviously, in second in the AFC South. Colts got a Jags twice. Bruce told me that this morning. I figured we'd already play Liam Dean. We have not. Okay, I wish we would have gotten a little bit earlier. I don't know what they're going to be at this stage, but good luck to the Jags. We've got to play them twice, so obviously that's a two that they could pick up on us and two in the right column. And then for the Buccaneers, who do they have coming after them? They got the Panthers twice, who are in second place. And of the two, I think both teams end up winning the South.

1:36:40Darius Butler:Don't forget the Texans.

1:36:40Pat McAfee:They're starting to play a little bit better. They certainly are. For that defense, for sure. Yeah, Houston Texans, C.J. Stroud, maybe he's back. Maybe they're not ass. Okay? People aren't talking about them at all. Okay? They just beat the Niners. Yeah, it was with Mac Jones. Did you see the time of possession?

1:36:55Darius Butler:What was the time of possession for that Texans game? I believe it was 24-6 in the first half, if I remember it correctly. Think about that, B.A. I think it was like a record. Yeah, since it was the most time of possession in the first half, I want to say since 2009.

1:37:07Pat McAfee:The Texans possessed the ball for 24 minutes and 31 seconds in the first half versus 49ers. That was the most time of possession since 2009 when the Jets had 24-50 time of possession versus the Bengals in Week 17. Good pull tone. That's a very good pull. That's like two days ago.

1:37:20Daniel Jones:Yeah, and that's the big worry with the Niners. is like, sure, Mack Jones and stuff, but their defense without Bosa and Fred Warner just isn't the 49ers defense we're used to anymore.

1:37:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, but on that note, Houston Texans offense might have had a wake-up game. This might have been an entire situation. And anytime you're dominating that much, your defense is also crushing. Mack Jones and the boys, quick three and outs. Can't be happening, but maybe the Texans are back. All right, that was BS or no BS for PA. AJ, a couple storylines happening around the NFL. Did you see Big Dom showed up for Scadaboo? I did. I mean, Big Dom is everywhere, but I wish I knew this dude. Like, this guy is awesome. Yeah, I mean, just, hey, you're in our city. Listen, at least I could do. Cheese steak, pizza, we hope you're okay.

1:38:07Pat McAfee:Anything else you need, go ahead and reach out. Not too much, you know, because the Eagles, Giants type of thing. But just know that when you're in this city, we appreciate you. Then last night he was with Cooper Jean at the Sixers game. Yeah. Big Dom is Philadelphia. And I don't know if it gets talked about enough a couple years back when he gets kicked off the field and they kind of go in the shitter. Big Dom is Philadelphia. Does every team have one of these guys that is kind of representative of the team, the city, and everything, basically, that takes place around there? Yeah, I think everybody's got a really good security person, but Big Dom is, I think, top of the list.

1:38:38And I thought Tex Randall was one of the best there ever has been, too.

1:38:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, I love Tex. Tex is here at the Indianapolis Colts. Now, I think he would take a cheesesteak and a pizza to somebody. I think he would have been told to do that, though. I don't think he's thinking about that. I think Big Dom is kind of working the angles there. What a weapon for the Eagles to have. Now, on that note, Eagles win the Super Bowl this year? Doesn't feel like it. It doesn't. It's possible. It's definitely possible. Well, I like that you kind of stayed on the fence. I had to think about it. I had to think about it. I don't know. I mean, they could, but they all – yeah, I don't know.

1:39:09They're a weird squad.

1:39:10Pat McAfee:Does Big Dom win another Super Bowl this year? This year? Yep. I'll go no.

1:39:16Daniel Jones:No. No. No. No.

1:39:20Pat McAfee:All right, I'm not going to vote.

1:39:22Daniel Jones:The other thing with Big Dom here that we got to remember too, Big Dom saw what happened, okay? Hey, we got a great Giants running back in free agency, and all of a sudden the Eagles are great. He's seen Scadaboo rookie year. He's like, hey, Mara and them are going to screw this up. We are going to get Scadaboo eventually. Don't you boys worry? I'll go get some Zaz and steak and cheese for this guy.

1:39:40Pat McAfee:He's pre-portaling. He's pre-portaling. We talked about this yesterday whenever Lane Kiffin brought up the fact that his freshman wide receiver has a good Saturday, and then there's three teams calling him that night saying, hey, if you just were to get into the portal here in a couple months, I think we got about 1.5, 2 million for you or whatever. And Lane's like talking about how that's every week now. That is just kind of modern world. So these guys understand that there's maybe teams that are calling me ahead of time as well. He said it's easier to kind of deal with all that shit, but that's crazy that that's taking place in college football.

1:40:12Once again, we don't think it's right.

1:40:15Pat McAfee:we're just saying this is the reality of the situation AJ and Big Dom would hey he'd pre-portal a guy smart Big Dom pre-portal a guy Big Dom makes it through all coaching staff whatever coach is there Big Dom has made it through everyone right yes

1:40:30Daniel Jones:and it's not tampering because they're both Italian what'd you say I say it's not tampering because they're both Italian I mean it's just two Italian guys sharing a meal helping each other out

1:40:40Pat McAfee:it does end in an O his dad's name is what Leo Leo. That seems. Leonardo. Leonardo. Yeah. Now we're talking. I think Boom Boom Scatterbooms. Yeah. Leo Scatterbooms. I think he probably. We'll take him. We will accept it. What's he on?

1:40:54Daniel Jones:A pest business? Yeah. I think he's a town.

1:40:56Pat McAfee:Hey, grazie. Oh, you need something taken care of? Yeah. No, Cam Scatterbo is not Italian. He's actually Norwegian with a little bit of Portuguese. I think the Portuguese is closing up. Mike Pereira, same situation here. Yeah, bingo. Mike Pereira, Portuguese man. We just call it Italian. Yeah. It counts. He said it counts. Yeah. I don't. He's honorary. Hey, shout out, Scadaboo. And Dom. How about Dom taking that to a Norwegian guy? Exactly. Probably thought he was Italian. I'm sure they did. How's your mother? How's your family? How you doing? You know, and then realized afterwards, oh, shit, kid's not Italian.

1:41:27Darius Butler:Did you know he was Portuguese? Yeah, I didn't know that. Go get the cheesesteaks. Kid didn't even touch the pepperoni.

1:41:33Pat McAfee:That is probably what he said. No E at the end. Yeah. No E at the end. I respect that, though. I appreciate that. Wentz is going to IR with a shoulder injury. obviously played through it. This dude, animal. I mean, it's part of the Carson Wentz experience. Yeah. This is a part of it. What are your thoughts on Carson Wentz as the quarterback? Because can I give you mine? Yeah. As a non-quarterback whisperer, I think he thinks every play is supposed to be a touchdown, and I think he would die on the field for every single play. I think that was a good thing whenever he was playing MVP-like football with the Philadelphia Eagles.

1:42:04Pat McAfee:I think him and Doug and Frank had a good system going over there. I think they had it kind of wrangled. He came over here to the Colts. Every play was like literally living or dying with. I have no idea how his family was able to watch him play for his entire life, just their hearts and stuff like that, because he looks like he's either going to get severely injured or have a touchdown basically every single snap, like 67 snaps a game. What are your thoughts on Carson Wentz, the quarterback, as a whole? Obviously, he has a Super Bowl ring, but those types of guys that every play is like 100 or zero, how do you kind of manage that?

1:42:40Yeah, I think you do have to manage it because you want that mentality to help him score in every play. But don't make this great throw 20 yards down the field and miss a wide-ass flare. The easy one. He misses too many easy ones. He does do that. All right? The consistency and his accuracy is the only thing I would hold back. Toughness, everything you talk about, he's off the charts. Everything I hear, he's a great leader, all that stuff. but inconsistent accuracies is to me.

1:43:09Pat McAfee:How about whenever like Andrew Luck was kind of like this. Andrew Luck felt like he was disrespecting football if he was to give up on a play. Like everybody was telling him like, hey, you need to step out. You need to slide. And he said, I'm like 6 '5", 240 pounds. I'm fast. This is football. Like his mentality was like, yeah, right. I'm disrespecting my family. I'm disrespecting the sport if I was to kind of bail out. what is the messaging to people like that? Because I think Carson has a similar thing.

1:43:39Daniel Jones:Oh, yeah.

1:43:39Pat McAfee:Hey, Carson is willing to take four hits as opposed to maybe bailing out because he thinks he's disrespecting football. Have you run into those types of quarterbacks before? And what is the message? A bunch of them, especially their first and second year, trying to win over the locker room. I'm a tough guy. Hey, you guys can count on me. I'm tough. I ain't running out of bounds. And now you see all these young quarterbacks hurt. They're running and not sliding. Andrew was maybe the worst. I said, look, if you throw another interception and tackle with your right shoulder, I'm going to kick your ass.

1:44:07You only tackle with your left shoulder.

1:44:09Pat McAfee:Start dying, because he would die. Dude, he would go try to kill him. Yes, he was trying to deplete people. Kevin Seifert of ESPN reported, Kevin O 'Connell insisted that Carson Wentz told him repeatedly that he wanted to play as long as he possibly could after injuring his left shoulder. It had been a while since he had played meaningful games. Per O 'Connell, Wentz decided Friday morning it was time to have surgery. I can't lift this thing anymore. Cut it off. I guess we should do surgery. How about Kevin O 'Connell? the conversations we had, they have them mic'd up. I'm just like, bud, I don't think you should go.

1:44:37Darius Butler:He did it for us. He did it for our entertainment.

1:44:39Pat McAfee:And that's what Carson Wentz is. We have so much respect for him, I think, AJ, because of that. But inevitably, I don't know if that wins a Super Bowl at quarterback. Yeah, I don't know if it does, but it does. Yeah, I would much rather be that way than the other way. Scared to pull the trigger, checking it down all day, taking sacks. I love his creativity and his gutsiness in the pocket, I guess. AJ, Carson Wentz might want to dabble with a new profession. I think he'd be great at it. WWE. And can you sense it, ladies and gentlemen? Can you feel it? Can you feel it? No. What? I can. Can you feel it?

1:45:16Pat McAfee:Can you feel it? You're goddamn right I can feel it. Con man? I can smell it. AJ, can you feel it? I'm starting to feel it, yeah. It's almost WrestleMania season in Vegas, baby.

1:45:31They say in Vegas Everyone's gotta tell A blink A breath A moment that can't be controlled But the great ones They use it to their advantage

1:45:54Pat McAfee:They own it They've got them right where they want them.

1:46:08The rest just haven't figured it out yet.

1:46:18WrestleMania Vegas.

1:46:24It's anyone's game.

1:46:26Pat McAfee:Oh! Can you feel it now? I feel it now. You can feel it now. AJ, can you feel that? There was no Michael Cole in there, but they did have a seat open at the end of the poker table there. Maybe Michael Cole slides in there. A lot of things. Did you see Triple H, Paul? Are you behind Brock Lesnar right there? Yeah. Oh, what's going on there?

1:46:43Daniel Jones:If it's anyone's game and his seat's open, I haven't seen Max Crosby miss a game ever, but he missed it. He missed the second half.

1:46:51Pat McAfee:Oh, Max Crosby, maybe because it's Vegas, you're saying? Maybe the Condor's coming out there to take over WrestleMania Vegas. We will say this as people that were at WrestleMania Las Vegas, it worked. It was smashing success. The GOAT. Yeah, it is the perfect city for that type of spectacle. Obviously, I think they're taking it international after this year, which everybody was pumped up about. But the Las Vegas WrestleMania last year delivered in a massive way, and that was sick. Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Is that AI? No.

1:47:21Darius Butler:No, that was them.

1:47:23Pat McAfee:The coin maybe at the end, the chip, the poker chip falling the way down. I don't know how many times I had to spin that. Yeah, probably quite a few. Why were they playing in like a cavern in like a dungeon? No, it was the back of a casino. Oh, it was? Yeah, yeah.

1:47:34Darius Butler:Yeah, it was one of those underground games we've been hearing so much about. Yeah, but it's not.

1:47:38Pat McAfee:It's WWE, brother. You know it's not a work. Bingo.

1:47:41Darius Butler:It was a seedy underbelly, yeah.

1:47:42Pat McAfee:Yeah. Now, at that table, Cody, I'd be interested to see his style of poker player. Aggressive. He's a nightmare to play with. He's an American nightmare. Is he a poker nightmare? I'm not 100 % sure. And then he kind of pan around there. Roman Reigns? Yeah, right. Look how handsome he is. He's never going to break. No. And then CM Punk, he's the closest to the table. He wants the action. Yeah, he splashes the pot like an asshole. He might be a pot splasher. That guy there, though. Let's go ahead and pause. Pause. That one. Yeah, right. You walk into a poker game, that fucking thing is sitting at the table.

1:48:18Pat McAfee:You go ahead and not play at that game. You have no idea what's going to take place. And that's why Triple H and Paul are standing right behind him saying, is this what you want to do? And then who's the open chair? Who's got the open chair? We find out, WrestleMania Vegas. Wow. It's almost on sale.

1:48:32Darius Butler:Brock's like a modern-day loyal Brunson.

1:48:35Pat McAfee:I don't know if he's Texas Dolly, but I do respect everything you're saying.

1:48:39Darius Butler:And he would play 7-2. Triple H and the... Dude. The wise man? The wise man, thank you. Come on. What were those two announcers' names who did the... Mike Sexton? Norm Chad. Yeah, yeah. Those guys were amazing.

1:48:53Pat McAfee:Lon McCarron. They were really good. And Norm Chad. So sorry, Paul Heyman. You a card player? Oh, yeah. You are a card player? Play poker? A little bit. Spades? Oh, yeah. Euchre? Not as much. 500 was a big game up in Pennsylvania. Like Rummy? Yeah. Okay, so you play Rummy? 500 rubber, yeah. You ever get into Tonk? Oh, yeah. Tonk's a good game. You play Boo Ray? Very much on the plane with the players. Oh, no. That's a little expensive. Cards are almost under attack here earlier in the week because, you know, the worst possible things of cards were kind of brought to full display, rigging of games, you know, marketing to people, getting big fish into a game and then taking advantage of them.

1:49:34Pat McAfee:And then all the different cheating conspiracies that we've obviously learned this week that are possible in card games are certainly scary to think about in any card game. Cards are the greatest, though. I hope cards last forever. I'm worried that there is a generation that doesn't play cards, and I'm worried that this potential scandal is certainly going to scare people away from cards. Cards are the greatest. I am a – I love – It brings people together, too. It gives you something to do together. You need something to hang out and hang out with people that you're with. But I think it might come back – everything comes back.

1:50:05Like, you know, these kids are into, like, nostalgia, like, late 90s music right now, the big baggy pants. Like, kids are into older things now going more, like, analog, I guess. So I think cards have hope. And it's tangible, you know.

1:50:17Pat McAfee:And Connor just said, yeah, they're playing on their phone. They're playing this. It's like another game on their phone. It's like, nah, we need physical cards. Yeah, we need that to happen. But nowadays, with all the technology, I don't know if you saw it. Somebody sent me a video of a guy with an iPhone basically shuffling the cards over his iPhone. And then the iPhone told him what number hand was going to win.

1:50:39Darius Butler:I don't love that.

1:50:40Pat McAfee:Like two. It's like, all right, one, there's the winner. Boom. There's the winner. Boom. Turnover. Guy flops a flush. It's like, Jesus. That's a problem. Yeah, that's not good. Maybe technology is going to kill. I don't want to do it. I refuse to have a moment of silence for cards because of this week. Not yet. No way. I'm not going to do it.

1:51:01Darius Butler:We need cards. Because that's such a small portion of card-playing society is going to games like that. Cards are going to be fun.

1:51:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, but we understand that people can cheat at any card game. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. No chance you're pointing my way.

1:51:18Darius Butler:If you're a Hoffnum or if you own a pizza place in Plum or –

1:51:22Pat McAfee:No, no, no, no, no. What? Those are outstanding people. Who's that? Those are outstanding people. Those people were – Super Italian name. Yeah, there was a lot of Italian – That's, you know, Cash Patel. I don't know how deep he's diving in these poker games. My first reaction, hey, let's not be looking too far deep into these. I don't know what was just an Italian game or you guys are throwing them off your word. I don't know which ones are which here, but I do know there was a chance I was potentially... All of it. Please, thank you. Please do not kill me as I'm way out of here. I owe a lot to cards.

1:51:58Pat McAfee:A lot to cards. I hope we don't lose it. I hope we don't lose it. What else is coming from this? You know, because Cash said that Stephen A. Smith was the dumbest person of all time. He did. He came out and said that because Stephen A. said this feels like a targeted attack at the NBA. And then Stephen A. said, well, it feels like probably the WNBA would be next. And then Cash said, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Is that because Cash knows? I would imagine. Like I said, I think this is kind of a slam dunk. I don't know how much more we'll see, but I think there are several more names.

1:52:32Pat McAfee:We're all very worried, right? We're all very worried about, like, what else is potential. Like, it was this tip of iceberg. Yeah. That is kind of what we're thinking. Yeah, it happens. Scared of. Not thinking. Scared of. Scared of.

1:52:44Daniel Jones:It happened a day after the NBA started. So, for me, all eyes turn to a day after college basketball starts.

1:52:50Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. There's a chance. Yeah, especially if Cash wants to do a perp walk, too. Go get them at the hotel. Yeah. Call the cameras. Let's go ahead and make that happen. Tonight, speaking of cameras, we got Frozen Frenzy. All 32 teams, 16 matchups, one night. Hockey's happening all over the place. Don't look now. Pittsburgh Penguins might win the Stanley Cup. Nick, quickly, what teams should we be watching for this evening? What games are really going to lead the way here?

1:53:14Darius Butler:On ESPN, Maine, you're going to have the Pittsburgh Penguins at the Philadelphia Flyers. Penguins are hot right now, second-best team in the NHL. And then you're going to have the Washington Capitals, Alex Ovechkin, sitting at 899 career goals, looking for No. 900 against Texas hockey, the Dallas Stars.

1:53:28Pat McAfee:And World Series tonight, Shohei Ohtani starting a pitcher. And we'll be back tomorrow. And then Halloween's Friday. AJ, have you figured it out what you're going to be yet? Not just yet. Still working. We'll continue digitally with Coach BA, who we freaking love. He's got his all-BA team, actually. We're going to debut here in a matter of moments. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We're in this thing together. We'll see you tomorrow. Let's enjoy sports, shall we? Goodbye! Really felt good about that. Felt casual. Let's enjoy sports. Did you hear that? Yeah, thank you, coach.

1:54:02Pat McAfee:Thank you, coach. And I didn't step on any of your, hey, hey. Yeah. You had a double cop. Awesome. I was saving that. You were saving that? I'm going to shit my pants.

1:54:13Pat McAfee:Let's get to a break on the other side. We got BA's All-BA team. Middle of the season here. Yes. Are we middle of the season already? Close, yeah. Crazy. Week nine, baby. Yeah. Man. Look at that. Nice. Nice. Is this what you want? Is this what you're getting? That's a cool, like, you could build a trophy, that BA team, that looks like that. Give these guys trophies or medals. Now that we know, see, we know how many people are on this team, so we know what you just tried to sign us up for. I don't know. End of season. Maybe end of season, you know, maybe one. You get one trophy end of season. There's a lot of guys.

1:54:53We'll go on Amazon. No, I'll try to build it. All right. We'll be back in about five minutes or so.

1:54:58Pat McAfee:You're going to want to see this. I mean, we're giving out awards. We're giving out game balls. Yeah. I mean, we got a lot of shit with BA on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice might change your life. Take five. Bye.

1:55:11Daniel Jones:Good energy in. Good energy out.

1:55:19Darius Butler:Storm. Zero sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine, and immunity support. Storm, energy for life.

1:55:55Pat McAfee:Hello, beautiful people, and welcome back to our Humble and Love, the Thunderdome. On this PA day, October 28th, 2025, Hour 3 of the program begins now. Football! It is. God, you snuck in. Free play. I think I got it off. I think I got it off. Sunday night you got it off. Well, yeah, with some of these refs. That's AJ Hawk. The Talks is tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Love the sweater. Is that because of the Frozen Frenzy tonight?

1:56:26Daniel Jones:Yeah, I knew that was happening. That's why I wore my Bruins hat and my USA Hockey sweatshirt. I knew the Frozen Frenzy was coming tonight. I'm just so jacked up about it.

1:56:35Pat McAfee:I remember this morning, you were like, man, last night I knew that this was happening. And I was like, you know what? Let's celebrate the hell out of Hawk.

1:56:40Daniel Jones:Yeah, I told you. Like, yeah, I fell asleep at the halftime of the NFL game. Didn't watch a lick of the MLB game because I'm so excited for the Frozen Frenzy tonight, baby. It was a lot of MLB game.

1:56:50Pat McAfee:It was a lot of MLB games. AJ, I know you watched that game. Whenever that thing finally ends, 2.45 Eastern time, and Freddie Freeman hits a ding-dong to deep center there, what is your immediate thought? Like, wow, I'm gratified with staying up for this? Is that what you said, AJ? I'm not going to lie. I did not see the 18th inning, but I did walk out. I checked in on it, and I saw it in the 14th inning, and that was the latest I did see. I did not make it to the 18th, but what a game. Hey, I'm actually very excited to watch Shohei pitch tonight. Yes, very excited for this evening's MLB. Maybe Shohei pitches 20 innings tonight.

1:57:27That would be nuts. That would be crazy. If there's ever a time to do it, it's tonight. What's his pitch count, Ty? What's the pitch count for him?

1:57:33Pat McAfee:It's World Series, bro. They'll let him throw a hundred. Maybe more if he's really rolling. How many innings is that? Six? Seven? It depends. If he's striking out a lot of guys, probably, yeah, like five. How many was Yamamoto his last complete game? I don't know. Over a hundred. Hey, do you know about Shohei's kind of tool belt? Pitch mix? What do you mean? His pitch mix. You know when he has a penny sesh, what he's able to do with the ball? Do you know what he's capable of this evening in the World Series? I do not, actually. I'm hoping one of you can explain it to me. Yeah, so whenever you're doing a bullpen sesh, a penny sesh, as you will, you're working on stuff, and he's able to take that stuff from the penny sesh right to the big leagues.

1:58:19Pat McAfee:He's able to take it to the mound. He's able to take it to the bump. Yeah, you can say the bump end of the bump. Yeah, the bump. He's able to get it up to the rubber. Yeah, he's able to get up there and do his stuff. 36 inches of vertical differences. He's got a four-seamer, 18 inches north. Got a curveball, 18 inches south. That's 36. The angle? from the high slot able to hit put a sinker down on you okay not a lot of people are able to do that speaking of east west you know we're talking horizontal movement 30 inches difference yeah yeah he's able to make it go so we're talking about north south east west all over the place so batters have no idea what's going on and then when you look at him up there you're like holy shit this is an icon living this guy so he's got that presence like he's rainy johnson up there Okay, is everybody scared to death?

1:59:10Pat McAfee:Holy shit. I'm about to be the next show bait on Shohei's show reel. And then you've got to deal with 36 inches north and south, 30 inches the other way. And what's coming, who knows? Maybe the splitter's about to drop out for the sky. It's a show time. That's tonight. Yeah. Let's go. Baseball is swinging a hot bat. They are. They are. And they're throwing a great ball. Yeah. Yeah, it's been unbelievable. I mean, it really was last night. Thank God the Yankees aren't in this, right? Isn't that kind of the thought that people are saying? I mean, personally, I kind of like the Blue Jays.

1:59:44Daniel Jones:They are not.

1:59:45Pat McAfee:I love 5 '8 guy.

1:59:46Daniel Jones:Vladdy's real cool. That guy's amazing.

1:59:48Pat McAfee:How about the 5 '8 guy just bopping around? Alejandro Kirk. Me watching him running bases, I'm like, this guy, no way this is supposed to happen. Type his name into the gift generator on X. There's some good gifts of him rounding third base, you know, hustling out a double, you know, trying to score from second. There's some good gifts. Yeah, but Dabba Deuce type stuff? Oh, yeah, big time. Oh, my God, I love everything about him.

2:00:09Darius Butler:He now has the most home runs in a postseason with five tied with Big Dumper from also this postseason.

2:00:16Pat McAfee:Wow, it seems like baseball. As a catcher. Baseball's doing well. No, you didn't, but that's – yeah, baseball is doing well. Like you said, the stars are performing, which is the big deal, you know? You got something for Wobble Body? What happened? Yeah, okay, there it is. Come on. This guy's rolling. I wanted to post that last night after he hit his homer, but I said, you know what? I think they're making fun of this guy with this thing, so I'm not going to post that. I think so, too, and I don't like it. Me neither. Look at that stride. Bruce put it on this screen right here and just put it on repeat.

2:00:47Pat McAfee:It was running 13 times down here. I get it. Forced me to look at it. My eyes. What's wrong? This is clinic tape. What's wrong with it? Dropped into my ear. He's on your screen right now. He's on your screen. Look down there and guess what's happening. This. Okay, yeah, I don't know if this is. Motoring. Arm swing, leg drive.

2:01:01Daniel Jones:Look at the foot on the corner of the bag. Perfect.

2:01:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's like a foot on a gas almost, this guy coming around the bed. Yeah, they're not making fun of him. Thanks, Guy. I think they're making fun of him. It's a stand-up inside the park home run. I was going to say, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing on that play a relay gunned him down by about 100 feet at home play. That's the Yankees. It's coming from Jazz World. Okay, so never mind. They definitely didn't throw him out at home if it was against the Yankees. Never mind. Who's your left fielder? Left fielder on that given day, I have no idea when that's from. It could have been Cody Bellinger.

2:01:31It could have been Jason Dominguez. You don't think he gets them? No, without a doubt. Yankees don't do that kind of stuff. Green light all day for him. Well, especially against Kirk, dude.

2:01:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, exactly. He's double shifting. Yeah. Double clutching coming off of that thing. Doesn't need a light.

2:01:45Darius Butler:It wasn't granny shifting, I can tell you that. Good thing you can't run over to catcher anymore. Oh. Could you imagine him?

2:01:51Pat McAfee:Center grab it.

2:01:52Darius Butler:Low man wins.

2:01:53Pat McAfee:I mean, he's coming in exploding. Oh, yeah. Did you see Deebo talking to his kid? did you see this yes james harrison yes james harrison talking to his boy who i've seen on the internet not recently i guess within the last couple years he's huge uh he is a absolute monster his kid and debo is talking to him and you see debo actually saying huh huh right here right here this is what he's really telling them they need to put his forehead through the guy's chin is what's happening and there's like a cell phone camera on it and the commentary was like imagine getting advice from Debo as a high schooler or something.

2:02:29Pat McAfee:Somebody commented like, that's his son. Imagine Debo being his dad as well. Then I was reading his lips. I'm like, it feels like he's telling him to explode through Adam's apple, which that's football, baby.

2:02:42Darius Butler:He's a strapping young lad.

2:02:46Pat McAfee:Remember, they used to do push-up

2:02:47Darius Butler:that house. Debo's been on fire lately, too.

2:02:50Pat McAfee:What do you mean?

2:02:50Darius Butler:He's saying a lot of good stuff. He also came out. Didn't he come out? Yes, he did. and then he was very disgusted after.

2:02:57Pat McAfee:Why didn't he play?

2:02:58Darius Butler:I kid. Good question.

2:02:59Pat McAfee:And that's what everybody in Pittsburgh is saying.

2:03:01Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:03:01Pat McAfee:We got Deebo coming out of the tunnel. Kind of getting everybody excited. Let's, yeah, let's have him just. Get the pads on. Go ahead and do that.

2:03:08Darius Butler:Yeah, he knows what it's about. What's it about? It's about the name on your back. You guys have a name on it? I didn't see that jersey. And the name on your front. Is there Steelers in the back? No. But he said it's about both.

2:03:20Pat McAfee:Did he say these uniforms are shitty? Did you see those uniforms? Now you're wearing Virginia Tech uniforms, eight colors, which. Beautiful thing.

2:03:30Daniel Jones:It's Halloween, so maybe. Oh, it is. Only team that has them.

2:03:35Pat McAfee:And some would say maybe a reason. Yeah. That's because nobody can keep up with Virginia Tech. If God wasn't a Hokie, why are the Leafs turning on the moon right now? Yeah, you're right. That's great. Good point. That's a good call. Hey, I'll tell you what, that's a good sell. That's a good sell. I don't know what the next coach is or who the next coach is. Needs to use that in recruiting, obviously. AJ, we talked about that. I don't think I heard what you had to say. The coaching, who's hiring? Who are all these coaches? That's what I'm trying to figure out. There's going to be a lot of people I would assume hired that we don't really know who they are, and they're going to have to prove that you're a great play caller somewhere.

2:04:11I would assume more offensive guys get hired. But, yeah, I don't know, though. Yeah, who can we go after? I guess who of these guys is going to get recycled to another big job, I guess is another question.

2:04:23Pat McAfee:Coach Hartline, right, probably going to be a hot name in this, if we had to guess, with what he's done in Ohio State. Arbuckle. Arbuckle, certainly, with what he was able to accomplish. Who's a North Texas coach? North Texas coach is scoring a ton of points, putting up numbers, I heard. Colin Klein. 600 yards the other day. Yeah. What was his name?

2:04:40Darius Butler:Colin Klein is the OC for A &M, who I was saying before, AJ said North Texas head coach, who I don't know.

2:04:46Pat McAfee:Eric Morris is North Texas head coach. I thought we were going to go do game day there.

2:04:51Darius Butler:North Texas?

2:04:52Pat McAfee:I think they got Navy maybe.

2:04:54Darius Butler:Because Navy's undefeated. North Texas has one loss for the AAC.

2:04:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, I was looking. You know, I don't make that decision. I'm not a part of the decision. That is not.

2:05:03Darius Butler:Top decision this weekend.

2:05:04Pat McAfee:That is not something I'm a part of. I just go where I'm told, literally. The thought of heading to North Texas. Are they playing Navy this weekend? Can we look that up? Yes, Navy, North Texas. I got pretty fired up about that. I'm like, where the fuck is North Texas? I have no idea. Denton, Texas. Denton, Texas. I did multiple games there when Graham Harrell was the offensive coordinator. I worked multiple games there. It's a great spot. I could not wait to get there. Just because every town I've been to in Texas is, like, awesome and hilarious in its own way because it's Texas, you know. So it was like going to Denton, Texas would have been awesome.

2:05:38Pat McAfee:I mean, the shit I would have had a full – I mean, I was so excited. Then Navy getting an opportunity to go in there. It was like, all right, North Texas is a real thing. But to your point, Tone, or to whoever just said it, AJ, AJ I think it's like you do good you're going to get they're going to try to get him

2:05:54Daniel Jones:who do you think goes maybe down do you think Chip Kelly goes back do you think Matt Patricia might get a head coaching offer do you think there's any of those that might go from pros back down to college

2:06:05Pat McAfee:have you ever met a guy that has been a head coach then goes to being a coordinator life very good as coordinator gets offered a head coaching role and said no to that again getting a chance to do it again It feels like everybody gives in to the temptation of being a head coach again. Yeah, I mean, especially now with the money it is. I mean, it's crazy. But the coordinators are making$3 million,$2 million. It's crazy. So Dana Holgerson's at Nebraska right now with Matt Rule. He has said that he's very much enjoying being a coordinator as opposed to being a head coach. He was head coach at West Virginia, then he was at Houston.

2:06:38Pat McAfee:Now he's the offense coordinator with Raiola at Nebraska. Now they obviously lose again. And, you know, I don't think they have playoff hopes this particular year. I think that's going to be tough, but they're still going to grow. His name might come up in conversation, but he has openly said, like, I'm really enjoying being a coordinator. Feels like that happens with coaches. Dan Quinn was doing it with Dallas. We're talking about him going to Dallas. It's like maybe Dan Quinn just says, I'm enjoying being a coordinator. Is it always just inevitably the amount of money that the head coach makes versus everybody else?

2:07:06Pat McAfee:And then to your point about coordinators nowadays, is that changing how people could potentially do it? I think it is, but I think the pride factor is still there too. Dan Quinn did a hell of a job in Atlanta not let go did a good job in Dallas I'm going to prove you guys wrong I got this

2:07:24Daniel Jones:a guy like Josh McDaniels though that went coordinator head coach didn't work coordinator head coach didn't work now it seems like he might be on his alright I'm a coordinator whereas like a Cliff Kingsbury he went OC head coach worked but it worked out how it worked out in Arizona Maybe there's other things we're seeing with Jacoby Brissett now. And then, you know, now he's an awesome OC. Does he go back just because he's only done it once?

2:07:50Pat McAfee:Yeah, because he probably learned from his first round too. Yeah, I assume as well. But allegedly last offseason he didn't want to. Allegedly he was like, nah. I mean, timing, you know, that's a good spot where he's in. Like if you're happy where you are, why not wait for the great opportunity that you want? Ben Johnson, right? Yeah. Was it three hiring cycles? Basically he was like, nah, nah. He had faith. He had confidence in himself. He bettered himself, you know, We see how quickly these guys fall out of the interview cycle. If you're a hot commodity, all of a sudden, six months later, you might not be.

2:08:18Pat McAfee:Now, on that note about being a hot commodity, not being cold, Detroit Lions lost both of their coordinators from last year to become head coaches. We actually have a B.A. game ball. B.A., why don't we start with the AFC, your first game ball, coming out of week eight of the NFL season. My first one is Aaron Glenn. Congratulations to your first win. Been close a couple times. And it was a final 23-7 in the fourth quarter. They escorted the Bengals and ruined my prediction that the Bengals would be in first place this week. Yeah, you were obviously hot on the Bengals. And obviously, we all appreciate Joe Flacco.

2:08:54Pat McAfee:That game was outrageous to watch. And then the Jets come back. Obviously, Brees Hall throws that thing to Mason Taylor. I believe he mosses in the back. They get a win, especially apropos with Nick Mangold and the entire storyline there about the Jets and how all the Jets nation and football society was feeling on that particular day. Aaron Glenn gets his first win. always remember it? Is that one of those things like you always talk about? You always remember your first, but for real, he will actually, right? He'll always remember that one, and I'm sure the guys gave him the game ball in the locker room, and you paint that one, and you put it in a very special place.

2:09:22Pat McAfee:Yeah, because it's been not easy. Okay. It's been not easy to get to this point, but to go back to Detroit, Foxy, what were you guys the first year that Dane Campbell was your head coach?

2:09:33Darius Butler:We started out 0-10, and year one ended 3-13-1, and then in year two they started out 1-6, and everyone wanted Dan Campbell out of there. It was a disaster to start that thing. And then after that 1-6 start, he got us to 9-8, almost made the playoffs, and then it's been history ever since.

2:09:47Pat McAfee:And they beat the Green Bay Packers the last game of the year and knocked the Green Bay Packers out of the playoffs in that particular year. And then since then, it's been number one seed Detroit Lions and all that. Exactly.

2:09:56Darius Butler:That was Aaron's last game as a Packer.

2:09:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, but that first year, you guys were 0-10. He cried, right, after the first win? Oh, yeah. He cried after the first win. And I remember a lot of us going, can't be crying. He just won one game. And then what he was saying through his tears were like, these guys, man, are working hard. Everything's good, and then we just can't win, and then we finally get rewarded, basically, is how he feels. I wonder if Aaron Glenn feels that way as well. I wonder if that's kind of what the – I definitely think so, because they were real close a couple weeks. And then you finally get over the hump. Great halfback pass call.

2:10:30Brees Hall pulls it down, throws it back. Touchdown, they win the game. So, great way to win.

2:10:34Pat McAfee:Yeah, good for Aaron Glenn getting a dub. Yeah. Hey, he gets a B.A. game ball. That's right. And for the NFC, the B.A. game ball of the week goes to... Anthony Nelson. Congratulations, Tony. Four tackles, two sacks, a forced fumble, and a pick six. Fourth player in NFL history to ever have that stat line. AJ, I watched your face as this name was unveiled. Same reaction as all of us. Don't think we all fully understood exactly who Tony Nelson was. But then B.A. starts reading off the stats, and he goes, if I was reading these stats and not say anybody's name, what would you say? You'd say game ball, right?

2:11:13Pat McAfee:Yeah, this guy went absolutely ham against this New Orleans Saints team, and his stat line, to B.A.'s point, has only happened a few times in the history.

2:11:22Daniel Jones:Yeah, and it was start to finish because that forced fumble came on the first drive for the Saints. Bruce, is this the greatest backup come into game performance ever as well?

2:11:33Pat McAfee:Hashtag stat. Anytime you put in the history of next to your name, it's special. And this is only the fourth player in the history of the NFL to ever do this. And hats off to Nelly, man. He's been a good player. But Hassan Reddick goes down. Time for somebody to step up big in a big division game. Nelly did it. Yeah, shout out to Nelly, dude. He was prepared. Yeah, he was. He was ready. We knew he was. Where'd he go to school? Certainly did. He's from Waukee, Iowa, and he is one of Kirk's dogs. He had a lot of success with the Hawks. So, yeah, you're kind of just biding your time. You know, you know.

2:12:04And when I see that happen, it's just like, oh, shit, here he goes again.

2:12:08Pat McAfee:I heard Luka's getting some valuable minutes. Speaking of Hawkeyes, he's buying their time. He is. He is, and it's about damn time. Unfortunately, it's going to happen with Garza sometime. His first game of the season, he gets a headbutt about four seconds in, knocks one of his teeth out, and he also got a concussion. He's bloodied up pretty good because that's what Garza does. He's a junkyard dog. He plays like a fucking menace. He had to miss a couple games. Boston Celtics. I did not know this happened. I just saw that he was playing for the Boston Celtics, and I was so happy for Ty, especially sitting next to Connor here in this entire relationship and how the talks table could celebrate Luka Garza.

2:12:49Pat McAfee:Ty's been calling for Luka Garza to get some minutes on a good team for five, six years now, maybe seven, ten years.

2:12:55Daniel Jones:Yeah, well, you know, just to go over that real quick, there's a reason he's getting minutes for the Boston Celtics because they're one and three. But yeah, stuff like this is why Boston will still be Boston even when they are absolute shite. You guys stink? Look, it's a tough year right now. We're back to the drawing board. Got a win last night because Zion's already missing games. But, you know, that doesn't matter. We are 1-3. Is that the Pelicans doing that or is that Zion? It was DNP, groin, back, insert whatever bullshit you want. But he didn't play. But no matter what, Derek White's still sticking his nose in there.

2:13:31Daniel Jones:We got other guys that are going out playing their fucking ass off. One guy, Tony Millett, I think it was his first game he's ever started. I don't know if that's his name, but it was the first game he's ever started. He got a steal, dunks a basketball, hangs on the rim, hanging out, hanging out, hanging out, falls on his back pretty bad, but he pops up, gets back on defense. They asked Joe Mazzula about it after the game. Joe Mazzula said, well, he better get back and get on defense because if he gets hurt there, he's never playing for me again. It was awesome. Missoula's still got the boys, you know, rowing the boats, ski you ma, if you will, whatever the fuck it is.

2:14:03Daniel Jones:But there is a chance. There's a chance here if we can just hang on for dear life. The East is wide open. It's really just the New York Knicks.

2:14:12Pat McAfee:I don't think so, brother. Sky you ma, have you heard about Mack McClung? Oh, yeah. We got Furphy, TJ McConnell, Mack McClung. Yeah, we got a milk check coming to every town. Come watch fundamental basketball.

2:14:28Daniel Jones:Put them in together. They don't have a choice.

2:14:30Pat McAfee:Absolutely. The Indiana Pacers are signing guard Mack McClung to a multi-year contract. Greg Lawrence of Washman tells ESPN. And with Mack McClung and OB Toppin on the same floor, there's a chance that they actually jump up and high five above the rim and then dunk the ball.

2:14:48Daniel Jones:Both dunk it. Yeah.

2:14:48Pat McAfee:I mean, we're going to be good.

2:14:50Daniel Jones:What are the Pacers? The Pacers are good? No, they're shite as well. I don't believe that.

2:14:55Pat McAfee:Carla's the coach. You can't be shite. Yeah, they're real bad. We just signed Mac McClung.

2:14:59Daniel Jones:Exactly. He hasn't played in a long time. Is he 0-3? Oh, yeah. It's going to be a long road. It doesn't matter, though. Pacers are 0-3.

2:15:09Pat McAfee:We had to have got one somewhere. Are you sure? Not yet.

2:15:13Daniel Jones:Maybe tonight. The Spurs are the story of the NBA for the time being. Wemby's outrageous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Steven Castle, Stephon Castle, I never know. He's a superstar. He's Rookie of the Year. Now he's a dog in their second overall pick. Dylan Harper had 20 points last night, and he plays with a T-shirt under his jersey, and he looks really cool. So look out for the Spurs. We got a new Spurs dynasty homegrown players growing.

2:15:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, because Wemby's a real deal.

2:15:40Daniel Jones:Yeah, and all three of them drafted. They're going to be a team. Actually, they got De 'Aaron Fox we mentioned, all pro player, really good. They need to ship him out of town to get bench players because they don't need anybody else. Wemby, if he stays healthy, he'll be Otani. Lemmy was shooting logo threes, wasn't he? Pulling up. He had a 360 layup last night. He decided not to dunk it, and he laid it in.

2:16:04Pat McAfee:It's hard for me around the rim because I always look at his feet, and he's like D-bone and U-ball. He doesn't have to jump that high. His arms are there. So for me, it's hard to be as impressed with everything. Now, granted, he's that tall, able to do all those things. That is the impressive feat in and of itself. when he's swatting everything and then he's grabbing it and taking it down the court, the length of the court, shaking people. Okay, he's seven foot what?

2:16:31Daniel Jones:Seven seven is what there is. He's listed seven four, seven five, but Boban said he's looking up at him and he's seven five.

2:16:37Pat McAfee:So think about how high that dribbling is like here. He's still growing. Dribbling is like this high? Yeah, he's 21. Should be easy to steal because the amount of... In theory, yes. Instead, he's like actually wiggling and like shaking back. It's like that's the shit that you watch.

2:16:55Darius Butler:I also need you to know that they have another seven-footer. His name's Luke Cornett, and they're calling him French Vanilla together. Oh, yeah. So you just need to know that nickname.

2:17:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, like this shit. That's 7 '7". That's not supposed to happen, you know? And then there's times where he'll do a step-back logo three after doing this shit. And it's like, so he's Steph Curry, too? I didn't know you're allowed to do that. I didn't know you were allowed to be Steph Curry as well through this entire thing.

2:17:18Daniel Jones:And NBA Central reported, this is not said until it's central because I double checked because I thought it was bullshit. Allegedly, this offseason, he was real pissed. Chet Holmgren won an NBA championship and he used that as motivation essentially all offseason. That is a real story.

2:17:33Pat McAfee:That's why he went to the monks. I need to get this anger. Can you hit me with the thing? Speaking of basketball, Rushmore on X. This week's episode is called Power Forwards. Obviously, Shaq, Reggie, Ben, and Ari debate the best four power forwards in the history of hoops. What an interesting conversation. We talk about the running back becoming the new tight end. The power forward is basically the tight end of the NBA. In listening to Shaq and Reggie discuss who is allowed to be judged as a power forward versus somebody who's just a forward. I mean, it was great debate. Reggie Miller thinks about leaving the middle of the conversation.

2:18:09Pat McAfee:There's some controversy in the middle of this week's episode. Good episode, Foxy. The boys cut together a great one, and Ari and Ben certainly hosted a great conversation.

2:18:17Darius Butler:Yeah, exactly. A lot of good discourse about what a power forward is, like the definition and all of that. Shaq mentions, spoiler alert, he says Dirk Nowitzki, not a power forward. I disagree with him, but Shaq is one of the greatest of all time. And then I will say at the very end of the episode, there's definitely a twist that I didn't expect at all that goes on the greatest Mount Rushmore.

2:18:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, the show is very, very good. Ari and Ben have put together quite a lineup, and Shaq and Reggie, I think they're a little loose in this. It's as easy to sit down as they had for Dunkers. Great conversation. In basketball, though, look, now, with Wemby being the future and the young stars and if Zion can stay healthy, maybe basketball is only growing into its best place you could possibly be with all the different deals it has. Or, on the flip side, we learn more about what we learned earlier in the week, and everything goes to shit. Yeah, yeah. Scared of that? Don't love that? Certainly possible.

2:19:18Pat McAfee:but I hold on hope that the NBA is still a great association and they're in a great spot right now with their young stars. And that episode of Power Forwards is great. Nice trip down memory lane.

2:19:26Daniel Jones:And that's why the Spurs are so awesome because all their stars are 21 or under and it's going to be real hard for any of that bullshit with them.

2:19:34Pat McAfee:Well, on that note, the Pacers are going to be okay.

2:19:37Darius Butler:They're going to turn this thing around.

2:19:38Daniel Jones:Next year.

2:19:40Darius Butler:They're going to turn this thing around next year. What if they get the first overall pick, you know, because Tyrese is out and then you just get like a beat really good.

2:19:46Pat McAfee:Well, we know that's not how that's going to go because how is that lottery? We're not getting into it. Not getting into it. Not this week. Not this week. That's a good point. Wow, you're right. You don't want to add that. Don't add fuel to the fire. Dump that. Dump that. There's no reason for us to get to that. There's no reason for us to get to that. Definitely random. Let's do something celebratory. Let's do something exciting. Hell yeah. Let's do awards. Yeah. Let's do awards season here at the end of October. Let's celebrate the hell out of the great that has been played this NFL season. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the All-BA team.

2:20:20Pat McAfee:Yay! Now, Coach BA was given the opportunity to pick one AFC person and one NFC person at a multitude of positions. And defense was just selected as a whole. There was also two coaches selected. Coach, why don't you go ahead and give your AFC and NFC coaches of the All-BA team first? Yeah, with AFC, Shane Steichen, the job he's doing at Indianapolis is just amazing with Daniel Jones, turning him around. And they've got that magic in the building with Jim Merce, with his spirit. And they're doing a great job with it. In the NFC, I've got Todd Bowles, 6-2, with a plethora of injuries. Nobody needs a bye week more than they do right now.

2:21:02So that is my two coaches at the halfway point.

2:21:05Pat McAfee:Congratulations, Matt. You will win nothing other than this round of applause right here. Okay, let's go with the kickers. AFC and NFC All-BA team kickers thus far. These guys are unbelievable. They're so automatic. Brandon Aubrey, Dallas Cowboys. He's going to get a 70 to 75 yarder one of these games. Agreed. Unbelievable. And Chris Boswell, who is automatic. On the worst field in the NFL. I mean, it's hard to kick in Cleveland. It's hard to kick in Pittsburgh. The grass is the wind. Aubrey's in a dome, basically doming. But what Chris Boswell does with Pittsburgh is just absolutely automatic.

2:21:39Pat McAfee:Just a pure swinger down there, Chris Boswell. And he'll go for it. I mean, he's swinging hard every single time. McManus misses from 57 short. He hits a 58 in the same game, has to feel good. This is a 61-yarder first week to win against the New York Jets to start this entire Aaron Rodgers era. They needed a 61-yarder. Here's him from 56, sorry, not 58, the other night in terrible grass. It's just like he is always making – there was a contract conversation going into the season. That's kind of simmered down. He's the guy that shows up for you guys every single year.

2:22:08Darius Butler:Yeah, you can pay him literally anything you want after the season is over. He is 14 of 16 on the season. His two misses is one, the slip at the end of last game because of the field, and then a block. So he would be perfect on the season if it wasn't for those.

2:22:21Pat McAfee:And Brandon Aubrey, obviously, just redefining what you're supposed to be as a kicker, especially to start your career. He murders the ball but always has a smooth swing, never seems to be out of control, and everything seems to be in range. Effortless. It's just effortless, and it's like I can't wait to see him one second left try that 70-something yard. Yeah. Especially with these balls. Oh, yeah. It's a good time to be a good kicker right now. If you have a strong leg, it's a good time to be a kicker because of the balls. I was actually catching up with your boy Jake, who used to be a kicker in the NFL.

2:22:49Pat McAfee:He said he was around whenever they were doing the brand new balls, fresh out of the box, into the game. And he mentioned about how it's like 10 to 15. That's like 15, 20, I think, like actual 15, 20 yards difference, let alone height and everything else. So the fact that they're able to use beat up balls that they're bringing into the games, I think we're going to see some special stuff continue. Now let's go to defenses on the All-BA team. AFC is? Houston Texans, man. They are lighting it up on defense, boy. Now the offense is waking up. Watch out for the Texans in the second half of the season.

2:23:19Pat McAfee:Congrats to Houston Texans defense and the NFC side. Seattle Seahawks. Don't play them Seattle. That's for sure. This front four is killing people. How do you feel about the way McDonald has kind of turned this entire team around? They painted over the walls. Did you hear about this? Oh, yeah. Painted over the walls of a legion of boom. We're in a whole new era. Kick Pete Carroll out. Get Geno out of here. DK gone. Lockett gone. Everybody gone basically from the past. We're going to have to re-envision this except for Schneider, who's been there for both of them. I think I immediately was kind of turned off by it.

2:23:48Pat McAfee:Like, hey, why are you painting over tradition? You're a franchise. You're a team. You're not like a college. Like, hey, this is a thing. I think he wanted to re-envision it. I think he wanted to do it his way. And they certainly are. And the defense is outrageous up there in Seattle. Doing a really good job. He's doing a fantastic job. And Sam Darnold's playing lights out. Sam's so good. He is. He was there with the Vikings. Yep. Danny Dimes playing so good. We'll see if they make the All-BA team. Okay, let's go to the tight ends. Obviously, it was National Tight End Day on Sunday. Who are the tight ends that have made the All-BA team?

2:24:19NFC, Tucker Craft. Big, big game Sunday night. Been lighting it up all year. AFC, this guy's a freak. Tyler Warren, unbelievable. Congratulations, boys.

2:24:30Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. Hey, Tucker Craft, special talent. Unbelievable. This guy could be a running back if he wanted to be. It's amazing. I think so. I think he could probably be wide receiver, too, if he wanted to, which is a perfect tight end, I guess. He runs so mad. He does, and he takes their tush-push snaps as well. They haven't done it yet this year, but he was always doing that. Outside of Micah Parsons, he is their second best player. AJ, whenever you see Tucker Kraft play, what's the first thoughts as you watch? It feels like a throwback, explosive freak show when I watch. Yeah, it does. Some of the stuff, when he's rumbling and stumbling, it's like when Gronk used to get the Kraft goal, When Gronk would break nine or ten tackles, you would see what it does to a team, like this play especially, what it does to your sideline.

2:25:10And when you're a defense watching the film leading up to this game, you know your D corner is like, hey, it's going to take all of us to bring this guy down, fellas. Make sure we're wrapping up and we need three, four, five, six dudes hitting them every single play.

2:25:21Daniel Jones:Yeah, just as a Patriots fan watching, it's the first time I've watched a tight end and been like, okay, that is actually close to Gronk. Just because, you know, Gronk and Kelsey are much different players when it comes to receiving and blocking. Kelsey, great blocker now. But Kraft is the one that's like, okay, this is actually Gronk 2.0 in the NFL now.

2:25:39Pat McAfee:And the kip-up just is – I don't think that can really go understated. For how big he is. Full pads, too. Yeah, and how quickly he does it. I mean, that's outright – I don't think everybody fully understands the amount of athleticism and explosivity you need to have in your entire body to be able to pull that off. If everybody could do that, they would. Look how cool that looks. That is just a different athlete. And then on the AFC side, boom, you got another guy that could do that, which I think is good for tight ends. Tyler Warren, this dude, absolute monster. We saw him coming out of Penn State.

2:26:11Pat McAfee:He was obviously the second tight end that went in the draft. Everybody talked about that because Michigan's Loveland went. He has found a perfect home here in Indianapolis with Shane Steichen and Danny Dimes. Definitely, man. This guy is, like you said, he could be a wide receiver. You could put him back there and hand him the ball. He could under center run the push push. I don't think he needs a push. I think he can push the ball himself. and yeah outstanding especially for a rookie always open it feels yeah and I don't know if

2:26:36Darius Butler:it's the hair but he reminds me a lot of Jeremy Shockey oh I like I don't mind that at all if

2:26:40Pat McAfee:he's got the dog yes Jeremy Shockey which it seems like he does the boys in the building say he's just ball all he cares about is ball and uh we've loved him coming here to Indianapolis he's always open AJ always open and always bigger than everybody else around him always breaking three or four tackles. Like the first guy very very rarely brings him down. Touchdowns all the time too, except for this past week. Ain't that right, Bob? Made my touchdown parlay look like a fucking knob.

2:27:10Darius Butler:We circled back last night, hit a nice home run parlay for 1 ,200.

2:27:14Pat McAfee:Wow! 18 innings, that's a good one for parlay.

2:27:17Darius Butler:Freddie Freeman was the winner at the end there.

2:27:20Pat McAfee:So a lot of people saw the gumpy tweet that said, Freddie Freeman walk off here to win this thing, it's going to be so cool. He said that in like 7th inning or whatever. And then people were circling back to that, obviously, in the 18th. And it was just Gumpy was a little ahead of time. Gumpy was actually pushing for his home run parlay right there. All right, let me tell you what the world needs. We need Freddie Freeman to fucking hit one here. We need a big one because we can smash. Gumpy, first time I've seen you since Sunday not wearing Dolphins gear. Just want to let you know that. I thought you were going to really run this one all the way up until Thursday with not many maybe left in this entirety.

2:27:50Darius Butler:Well, Thursday I'm going full gear because we've got Thursday night football. So it's probably going to be that sick coat, tarp, hat, you know. Maybe throw the pads on. I don't know. Football pants. Yeah, why not? Get him some Dolphins pants, yeah.

2:28:03Pat McAfee:Okay. I mean, we'll certainly get that here. Gumpy, I can't wait to see you wear those pants. So sweet. Wear the Sambas. Wear your Sambas, too. Yeah, the Sambas, absolutely. Gumpy said, you know, you get victory week, and they even cut it short. It's only four days. True. That is true. I don't even get to enjoy a full week. It only lasts until Thursday. Great. Everybody gets going to the weekend happy if they won the week before. I got a Thursday night matchup against Lamar Jackson. Is that what's going on?

2:28:30Darius Butler:Welcome back. That's great.

2:28:31Pat McAfee:Yeah.

2:28:31Darius Butler:Congrats, guys. Won. Yeah.

2:28:33Pat McAfee:Let's celebrate now. Let's celebrate now. We don't know if we'll have this on Friday and Halloween. Okay. So the tight ends are off the board. Let's head to the wide receivers, Coach B.A. Who is the all-B.A. team midseason? The happiest guy to see Joe Flacco, Jamar Jakes. Unbelievable. He's got like 40 targets in three weeks and unbelievable numbers. Just lighten it up. I think he had 10 catches again this week. Yep. And the guy's amazing. He's another guy. Once he gets the ball in his hand, he is electric. Okay, so when you go all-BA team, obviously you're not just going off of record in how the team is doing.

2:29:06Pat McAfee:Why Jamar Chase? Because if you had a team right now and you were to field it and you had to pick two wide receivers from this season, you would pick Jamar Chase as one of the two that you would pick. Definitely. That is why he's on the all-BA team. Definitely. And he's doing it, man. He's one of the stars that's showing up every single week now.

2:29:24Darius Butler:Not his fault.

2:29:25Pat McAfee:And they know that he's going to get the ball. And he's still absolutely killing everybody. He's gotten into that Justin Jefferson range that we kind of were talking about last year.

2:29:32Daniel Jones:Yeah, he's offensive Mike, Miles Garrett.

2:29:35Pat McAfee:Bingo. Okay. Stuck. Yeah. But also took the check. Yeah. And knew what was going to happen. Injuries. And has shown up for them. Yeah, always with injuries too. Good for Jamar. Okay, and in the NFC side. Well, for a young guy to only have initials now, JSN. Yeah. I mean, he's already out there. He is lighting it up. Even Sam Darnold have a great connection going. Jackson Smith and Jigba, the NFC All-BA team player. I think you should be allowed to do that, but obviously you get people like D-Bone that'll hang it, have it go cock on it. They got to stop the entire thing due to Hoosiers movie, line it back up.

2:30:08Pat McAfee:I think the NFL is trying to get away from that. But if you can showcase that you can just kind of base jump, bunk that thing and look real cool while hanging on a ref, you go ahead and do that. And that's a part of Jackson Smith and Jigba's game that we certainly like. And Jimmy Graham getting a little bit of love on a primetime game is certainly sweet as well. Coming out of Ohio State, everybody knew he was going to be a guy, AJ? Yeah, I mean, they definitely expected it, and everyone at Ohio State always had great things to say, but to go out here and play like he has him, I don't know if you could ever predict this.

2:30:37Pat McAfee:Congrats on making the All-BA team. Hell yeah, boys. Let's go with the offensive line boys now. Which offensive lines made the All-BA team, B-A? NFC Detroit Lions. I mean, they're playing lights out. Giving Jared Goff great protection. That running game is amazing. and I like that they play five or six of them in there sometimes. Feels like Dan Campbell is always going to have a good offensive line. Remember their first draft pick was Penne whenever they were building this entire thing up, kind of set the standard. He was a left tackle. They still have Taylor, LaJuan and he's playing right tackle and shit, he's out there leading sweeps.

2:31:12They're going to throw him the ball one of these times. Penne? They've got to throw the ball to him.

2:31:15Pat McAfee:Who did Pittsburgh Steelers throw it to the other night? 74 was like the first pass. Spencer Anderson. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He looked very natural. And also, I love Aaron Throne. I think it just pegged him. It was just like broadside of barn. Let me just go ahead and peg this guy with this ball. I love everything about it. I like whenever people get kind of creative. Detroit Lions always have. I've also always had a very tough football team. And congrats to their offensive line getting the all-BA team. And then the Indianapolis Colts, which we all do. Yeah, of course, the Indianapolis Colts.

2:31:46I mean, with JT doing 180 yards and 12 carries or something shit like that. Danny Dimes lighting it up. But those guys up front are playing. They've got to stay healthy. They stay healthy. They're going to be hard to beat.

2:31:57Pat McAfee:I think B.A. was potentially watching in trenches to do scouting for the all B.A. Because these two teams have obviously been up there for the entirety of the season. Foxy, congrats to your team's offensive line winning an all B.A. nod.

2:32:11Darius Butler:Yeah, this is awesome, Coach. Thank you. And if you remember, before the season started, we were pretty worried about this O-line because Ragnar retired, Zeitler left, and we had a lot of young guys in there. So it was pretty awesome.

2:32:24Darius Butler:Congrats to you as well. Thank you. Jesus.

2:32:27Pat McAfee:Wow, what type of place is this?

2:32:29Darius Butler:Well, you know what's been in my brain is like, AQ really hasn't given you guys a lot of respect, even though you guys are kind of on the list. You're never top one or two like we are.

2:32:38Pat McAfee:It's all B.A. day. Okay, let's go to the running backs. Who are on the all B.A. team? B.A. I mean, probably the two most explosive guys in the league right now, Jameer Gibbs for Detroit Lions and Jonathan Taylor. Seems like the O-line and the running backs are going to go hand in hand. That's right. Congrats, pal, on your running back. Hey, congrats to you too, Foxy Grandstander. Hey, AJ, did you think the O-line and the running backs were going to go hand in hand there? It seems to make sense. I thought, though, yeah, that makes sense. They go hand in hand. Why? Now, because this is Sonic and Knuckles not getting a nod here, obviously, on the LBA team.

2:33:12Pat McAfee:We don't want to cause any friction in the Detroit Lions locker room, but on that note, he is special. This guy's very dynamic, Jameer Gibbs. Especially in the passing game. He is a total mismatch. And even a wide flare turns into something. Every time he touches the ball, something spectacular can happen. Number zero looks cool, too. It really does. Yeah, I thought he should have worn one. You want to make this tackle in space? Good luck. You got me. AJ, what do you got to do? You just got to shoot your shot there, right? I mean, so number eight, technically in theory, number eight's inside leverage.

2:33:42You got outside help. You want to go through that inside leg and take a shot. Good luck. It's Jameer Gibbs. I don't blame anybody for that happening. Most humans can't run completely full speed towards the sideline, stop, jump cut back inside, and still break eight more tackles.

2:33:56Pat McAfee:So they got Jameer Gibbs, they got Jameau up there. Amon Ra. Sam Brown.

2:34:03Daniel Jones:Amon Ra's, you know, 30 yards down field blocking on that first highlight. That's culture.

2:34:08Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what, man, it's pretty good. And then let's go to the AFC side running back all-BA team. This guy might win the MVP. This guy might win the MVP. I'm talking about – It's unbelievable. Because there hasn't been like a quarterback that maybe has run away with it. Maybe this is the year that a non-quarterback wins the MVP. He's what, four games with three-plus touchdowns? He's all over the place, B.A. Unbelievable. I mean, again, Jonathan Taylor is also a great receiver. You can use him in the passing game. But 12 touches in 100 and whatever, 80 yards he had, three touchdowns. I mean, that's just spectacular.

2:34:41Pat McAfee:And his celebration is cool. That's good. Yeah, his celebration is very, very cool. I saw a lot of people on the internet that maybe aren't as athletic throughout their life say, hey, I tried this and it blew my quad and my knee. Yeah, you're going to hurt. You're going to hurt trying that one. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. I mean, every time I've done it, I've done it kind of in place. I guess people are actually going full speed. And then going in there and then just. Don't do it.

2:35:03Darius Butler:Do not do that.

2:35:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, we would like to send out a warning. Do not hit maximum speed before you just start to one hop that thing. Yeah, I have not done it. I haven't even thought about running and doing it.

2:35:13Darius Butler:Maybe he should.

2:35:14Pat McAfee:And maybe that's because we have a different mindset than people that maybe aren't athletes. Like, I knew my knees would shoot out from underneath there if you were going to hop on that, which makes it even more impressive. He drags people around. Then he, you know what, let's make sure we flex out here. And the boys, seemingly tighter than they've ever been. Had a Halloween party last night. You heard Danny Dimes talk about it. Yeah, pretty good attendance, I heard, right? Yeah, he said he didn't want to keep tabs on it. You know, I didn't fucking count. That wasn't marking everybody. buddy yeah that's what he said yeah it's like all right what he said good attendance take role yeah that's good we got good shit going on bro that's a real thing that's a real thing i think people probably would overlook but yeah like if you had very poor attendance to a player-led halloween party like if i was the coach i'd be like oh man we gotta figure something out this is not good aj i don't want to keep bringing it up but i'm hearing stories about the boys having beers with the boys okay like i'm hearing a lot of those stories and good as a 38 year old who grew up in a different time.

2:36:15Pat McAfee:To AJ's point, yes, this is just like cards. This is just like cards. The more you can be around and interacting with each other at different states of mind, at different states of mind, is a good way to build up chemistry and trust, I believe, Coach B. Totally, yeah. One of the best teams I've ever been on was Steelers Super Bowl team. There'd be 30 cars in the parking lot on Tuesday. They're in the locker room shooting hoops, playing cards. Nobody's watching film, but they're all in there together. Offense, defense, because they cared about each other. Yeah, you need that, AJ. I hope that never leaves in this isolated, disconnected world.

2:36:51Pat McAfee:I don't think it can in football. I think you have to have a relationship. But, man, whenever you hear about your team liking each other, I think people would need to take it a lot more serious. We've been talking about it for like seven years, I think, on our show. Like, hey, that team looks like they like each other. That's a big deal. And I think people thought that we were giving like elementary level opinions on things. and it's like, no, no, no, I think that means actually more than a lot of the shit that you're talking about, actually, in a team sport, AJ. Yeah, because things will get tough.

2:37:20And every game, there's usually at least some kind of point where you can kind of go one way or the other. Like the defense can get pissed at the offense because the offense isn't doing anything or vice versa. And if you like each other and you hang out and you actually know each other well, you'll make it through that and be fine, and you'll be laughing about it after the game. Like if not, that's when you get that infighting. You've got to have a stupid players-only meeting the next day and all that stuff.

2:37:41Pat McAfee:Whoa. Those players' only meeting are right around the corner. Yeah, they are. Hey, we're almost in players' only meeting season. I just – oh. Uh-oh. I just got pretty excited about – somebody's having one next week? Yeah. Week nine coming up?

2:37:54Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:37:55Pat McAfee:Holy shit. It is coming.

2:37:57Darius Butler:It turned the Fin season around, though. We're here. Yeah, I forgot. They had one, right, didn't they? Kind of.

2:38:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, because they had to apologize for things that they said publicly. What other teams might? Somebody's defense just had one. Who's that? I'm not sure. There was a team that I think yesterday had a team. Somebody's defense. And he just looked at him. Is that true? Maybe. No, I think it was Steelers, though. No, no. Sure heard somebody doing it. I think players gather as units, I think, on a regular basis. It's the whole ceremonial, hey, we're all meeting in a team meeting room. No coaches. It's going to be us. That player meeting, I think, is the one that we're all referring to here. Whenever that starts happening, fucking mail it in.

2:38:48Pat McAfee:It's over. Definitely. I just got a word. Cincinnati Bengals just had a defensive-only, players-only meeting. Nice. You knew it. Didn't want to give it away. Didn't know what all was public. That's B.A. saying something. Going, oh, fuck. We don't know about this yet. Okay. Maybe. Didn't happen. No, it did happen. Cincinnati Bengals. Hey, that's good inside.

2:39:07Daniel Jones:And for the Bengals, by the way, Their starting rookie linebacker got hurt. So, Logan Wilson, unpack your bags. You're a Cincinnati Bengal, baby.

2:39:16Pat McAfee:Unbelievable to think about what's going on in Cincinnati. All offseason, we talked about how they built their roster. Hey, you guys can't win like this. Everybody talked about it. Didn't everybody talk about it, AJ? I think everybody. They might be the last one standing in the AFC. They might. Yeah, okay, B.A. Whoa!

2:39:36Daniel Jones:47 years of football. So, Trey Hendrickson's out now. They got a middle linebacker. I mean, he'll play his ass off because he wants to get the fuck out of Cincinnati. And then who else do they have on defense? They had a meeting. They might win 45-40 going forward. That sounds like AFC North ball now.

2:39:54Pat McAfee:AFC North ball right now might look vastly different if you're listening to BS or no BS or BA. Every coach is on a hot seat, he says, up there. But there's no hot seat in Indianapolis at the running back position or the offensive line. Shout out to the Colts being on all the awards all the time. This is really good because for a long time we were on the wrong end of the highlights. That's what the Colts were for a while. Now we're on awards season. And let's go to the leaders of the team. Who are the quarterbacks on the midseason? All-BA team. BA? Yeah, we're going to go with a little young and a little bit of veteran.

2:40:27Drake May, doing the Patriots, is playing great football. Got them in first place. And shout out to Josh McDaniels. He's actually got him playing really good ball. and then Matt Stafford at his age still slinging it, carrying the Rams maybe all the way to the playoffs.

2:40:43Pat McAfee:Congratulations, boys. Go, boys. Con man, it's not just you that's seeing it now at this point with Drake May. That has to feel pretty good as a Patriots fan.

2:40:51Daniel Jones:Yeah, it's great. Everybody's kind of bumping their gums on TV now talking about him, which is awesome, and just regurgitating the same stats over and over again. But Josh McDaniels, to B.A.'s point, and Mike Vrabel. I think they've just given him a lot of belief. He's always known he could make every throw. Maybe last year he didn't have that. Basically the same roster. You draft a left tackle, Will Campbell. It's only up from here because Myles Garrett's as good as it's going to get for the rest of time possibly. So very excited about the offensive line. And left guard, Jared Wilson. Kind of a sneaky part of this entire offense.

2:41:25Daniel Jones:AQ will not shut up texting me about this left guard. He's a rookie from Georgia. He's been fantastic. Offensive line's good. Drake may spin in the pill. and as we approach trade deadline, you start to think, who do we need, who do we need, who do we need? We might not need anybody, to be honest. Just kind of have to stay healthy. We have not allowed one 50-yard rusher yet this season.

2:41:47Pat McAfee:That's unbelievable to hear. Shout out to Vrabel, turn the entire culture quickly, and Drake May continuing to become an absolute monster in the league. Remember him and Josh Allen hung out, and everybody thinks about what the size, the athleticism, everything that he has. If he's able to go on the same trajectory as Josh Allen, we're talking about a new great. Well, it seems like we're only a couple years into this case study. Feels like he's on the same trajectory, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, Drake May, they found their guy. I think with Josh McDaniels, it's really like he looks very, very comfortable.

2:42:14It looks like he owns that offense and he knows what he is doing. Like he is anticipating these throws and he looks awesome.

2:42:21Pat McAfee:Congrats to New England. You guys got a guy. Hell yeah.

2:42:25Daniel Jones:He's 23. Like that's the most exciting part. Like everybody this year, you know, no matter what the season ends, like he's 23 years old. It's Vrabel's first year as a head coach. I think we have the most calf space next year or the year after. So it's just one of those things you know that you're going to be great for a little bit now.

2:42:41Pat McAfee:Drake's 23 years old?

2:42:42Daniel Jones:He's 23 years old, yeah.

2:42:43Pat McAfee:This is his second year in the NFL?

2:42:44Daniel Jones:This is his second year in the NFL.

2:42:46Pat McAfee:How old is Diego Pavia?

2:42:47Daniel Jones:24.

2:42:48Pat McAfee:How old is Tyler Shuck that just got drafted? 26, I believe, or 25. How old is Jaden Daniels?

2:42:53Daniel Jones:He turns 20, or I think he turns 24 or he is 24 now. I forget.

2:42:59Pat McAfee:So Drake is wildly young.

2:43:01Daniel Jones:Wildly young, and he's already very good. And something he mentioned actually was, you know, everyone talks about seven-on-seven being bad ball. If it's good for anybody, it's quarterbacks because they know, you know, how to attack cover two, cover three, all those different types of zones. And that's what he kind of attributed to when it came to like. Oh, like growing up. Yeah, exactly. Growing up, throwing those like little hole shots that you see, the deep balls especially. I mean, he's the best downfield passer in the NFL. Everybody's talking about how you have to dink and dunk. You don't if you have a guy that can hit every single deep ball, when the chances present themselves.

2:43:31Daniel Jones:Mike Vrabel gave this whole entire thing. Like on the sideline before the play, they were doing the touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And Mike Vrabel was like, relax, relax. And then, you know, 10 seconds later, it's a deep ball touchdown to Keyshawn Booty.

2:43:43Pat McAfee:Unbelievable culture change up there in New England. Congrats to them being all the way back. And then you talk about the young guy, 23 years old in his second year already. Let's go to the old guy. Drafted his same draft class as me, 2009. Number one pick overall. I was 222. This guy's outrageous still, what he's doing. Looks young still. Looks fresh as it's coming off his hand. Yeah, I mean, he spends it. Like I said, a couple weeks ago, he's the only guy to go out and watch warm-up. Literally, a head coach says, I'll go out and watch Matt warm-up. He threw balls that nobody else could throw.

2:44:13Still doing it. It's like the Dano story he told you. Just amazing.

2:44:16Pat McAfee:Yeah, Dan Orlovsky, similar things. But everybody, yeah, whenever, allegedly Stafford told Orlovsky, you can make that throw, okay? Nobody can make this throw. And that was what Matt Stafford was able to do. He's got a gunslinger mentality. He's incredibly tough. He's old school. Beers with the boys type guy. And with Sean McVay, it seems like a perfect fit. And now they got Devontae Adams in tow, AJ Hawk. I mean, it's a beautiful setup out there. Is this guy going to play forever? Yeah, he just might, especially with Devontae in the red zone too, man. I know they love talking about what off-platform throws and the arm angles and everything.

2:44:53But the more you watch, the more impressive I think it is, especially with his – I mean, just look at that thing. Like how he can throw and his feel for where defenders are and how he throws dudes open, it's next level.

2:45:03Pat McAfee:Yeah, Matthew's been doing it for a long time. And now, for the first time, he's on the All-BA. Congrats, Matt. Congrats. Congrats, everybody. Congrats, everybody on this team. Obviously, we'd take this squad over anybody out there. And, BA, thanks for putting thought into that. Congrats, all these guys. they will certainly win nothing but a big time round of applause. Right, B.A.? That's it, baby. That's all you get. A big one, though. A big one, yeah. Hey! AJ, please. AJ. Hey!

2:45:36Pat McAfee:It's your award.

2:45:37Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:45:38Pat McAfee:Don't say we didn't give you nothing.

2:45:40Darius Butler:It's just like you told Danny Dimes. They haven't done shit yet.

2:45:42Pat McAfee:I do text Danny Dimes that every week. Every week. Congrats, man. That was so fucking cool. God, you crushed them. You haven't done fucking anything. Just texting in the next text. You haven't done shit yet, but you're smelling a little better. Yes, you are. And on that note, we got a guy who's really – he was once a pioneer in a game in this Thunderdome, and then he's changed his style to no longer be a pioneer. He's just amongst the others. And he is trying his absolute best to become the greatest. And D-Bone, why don't you come out here and try to win some people some money here. Last week he threw one off the backboard, off the brick, off the backboard, and then splash.

2:46:23Pat McAfee:He did that on purpose. Today he is dressed spectacular. I mean, he looks amazing. Cowboy, how you doing, bud? He's got the boots on, got the shit kickers on. Obviously, he's got the camouflage hat. And, you know, we're getting to the weather where he can wear the overcoat if he needs it. He had vest and hoodie and overcoat on yesterday. First big man I've ever seen that's overdressing everybody else in a place. But he is a special talent. This guy can put together a graphic now like a motherfucker. This guy's a true talent. And we saw last week that maybe he can have God bless his ball to fall into the hoop.

2:46:53Pat McAfee:But I think what we had last week that we need this week, B.A., is there any way you can try to motivate this boy right over here wearing these shit kickers to throw that U-ball into that eight-foot-high hoop over there? And if he's able to accomplish that, 25 people will win$500 on this glorious B.A. day. Okay, brother, now you had the shot of shots last week. We don't need that shit. Just straight in. Fuck it. Just make that damn thing. Fuck it. D-Bone, 25 people. $500.

2:47:26Pat McAfee:Airbone, that's minus one point. Man.

2:47:29Darius Butler:Thank you, D-Bone. Did he hit the brick on the far right side? Yeah, he did. Come on, son. D-Bone. He can shoot it. He actually had a good, like when he actually shot it, he made it up. Come on, son.

2:47:40Pat McAfee:One more shot, D-Bone. Here you go, Bone. Come on, son. Why are you throwing it still? Because you want to be a pioneer? Is that what you want to do? You want to continue your life as a pioneer? He used to throw it. He was the first one to throw it. Actually, a lot of people attacked him for throwing it early. Turns out, not a bad style. Yeah. I actually utilize it as one of my three throws. Much like Shohei, I have an array of different throws in U-Ball. But he had been shooting this particular ball. Coach, he seemingly changed his shit whenever there was a little bit on the line. How do you feel about that, Coach?

2:48:11That's shaky. That's shaky. But I think you've been practicing a little bit. I've seen you. All right. You got this shit, bro. Do it.

2:48:17Pat McAfee:Fuck it. 25 people. $500. D-Bone! Ooh, that was good. That was good. All right. Tracking. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week. We appreciate the hell out of you, D-Bone. And before we get out of here, we have to make one special moment for somebody very special in our lives. Ladies and gentlemen, this man is a New York Giants fan. This man is a New York Yankees fan. He's a New York Knicks fan. I think he also likes some other sports that are over there that aren't good. He's a Tottenham Hotspur fan. He's been in the middle of some shite for a while. Every day he comes in, though, with the same attitude.

2:48:56Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:48:57Pat McAfee:And his vibe's always immaculate. He works his ass off, and his hair is finally getting a chance to kind of peek off.

2:49:04Daniel Jones:Yes, it is.

2:49:05Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, we have a birthday today. Happy birthday, Bruce. Happy birthday, Bruce. Thank you, boys. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Bruce.

2:49:32Pat McAfee:Happy birthday to you. I almost said Matt.

2:49:38Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:49:38Pat McAfee:Think about that.

2:49:38Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:49:39Pat McAfee:Happy birthday, Matt.

2:49:41Darius Butler:We have a birthday every day this month?

2:49:42Pat McAfee:It does feel like a lot of cakes coming in. A lot of cakes coming in. Yeah, a lot of October babies in here. But thank you, boys. I appreciate it very much. So you're not October. Everybody's kind of October, so. But on that note, we're fucking thankful to have you, buddy. Happy birthday. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate all you guys. This next year of your life is about to be the coolest. Actually. Oh, yeah. As we forecast. Big 30, baby. Here we go. You just turned 30? Yeah. Oh, no. Connor, tell him.

2:50:07Daniel Jones:I pulled a muscle Coughing Driving into work Bruce Welcome to 30 brother That's 30

2:50:12Pat McAfee:I know it brother No but there's good Coming too There's good coming too Oh yeah Of course right Yeah Prostate exams I just turned 73 And shot my age again So Boom Boom Happy birthday It's gonna be a while Before you shoot your age Oh yeah More than you can imagine Yeah Happy birthday Bruce We appreciate you Alright let's get the hell Out of here

2:50:38oh good ball good ball that was in

2:50:42Pat McAfee:hey not bad there that was in I'll tell you what I did have a thought man fucking quarterback whisperers literally right behind me sure would be sick to make this right now tomorrow better day though boom be a friend tell a friend something nice it might change your life we're in this thing together team on me coach anything you say great show better win next week hell yeah AJ we'll see you tomorrow team on three one two three team goodbye

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