PMS 2.0 1448 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 10 Recap

10 Nov 2025 · 45 min

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The Pat McAfee Show - Episode 1448 Summary

Episode Overview Title: PMS 2.0 1448 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 10 Recap Hosts: Pat McAfee, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, Tone Digs Date: Broadcast on November 10, 2023 Description: In this episode, the crew discusses the most significant storylines from NFL Week 10, highlighting the ups and downs experienced by various teams.

Key Themes and Highlights

  1. The Importance of the First 15 Plays
  2. Concept: The first 15 plays of an NFL game are crucial for setting the tone.
  3. Impact: A poor start, such as a three-and-out, can negatively affect the entire game flow.
  1. Overreaction Monday
  2. Purpose: The hosts embrace a segment dubbed "Overreaction Monday" to analyze and react to the weekend's games.
  3. Structure: Instead of a timed countdown, the conversation flows freely, allowing for an expansive discussion.

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Top Five Headlines from NFL Week 10

  1. Not All "Ass" Teams are Ass All the Time
  2. Discussion: The Miami Dolphins, previously criticized, delivered a dominating performance against the Buffalo Bills.
  3. Key Players: A-chan's standout game with 174 yards and two touchdowns showcased the Dolphins' resilience.
  4. Overall Performance: The Dolphins demonstrated that any team can outperform expectations on a given Sunday.
  1. NFC Favorites Fornicate
  2. Focus on the Detroit Lions: The Lions showcased their strength against the Washington Commanders, maintaining a strong offensive and defensive presence.
  3. Coaching Changes: Dan Campbell took over play-calling effectively, leading to impressive statistics (e.g., Jared Goff with over 300 yards and three touchdowns).
  1. Sportsbooks and Steelers Fans Knew
  2. Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Indianapolis Colts: The Steelers secured a significant win, raising questions about the Colts' performance amid six turnovers.
  3. Analysis of the Game: Despite the Colts' struggles, the Steelers' defense was highlighted for its capability to capitalize on mistakes.
  1. Breaking News: Brian Dayball Fired
  2. Announcement: Brian Dayball was let go as head coach of the New York Giants, marking significant turnover in the team's leadership.
  3. Implications: The Giants will be seeking their sixth head coach since 2016, indicating ongoing struggles within the organization.
  1. MVP Race Clarification
  2. Current Contenders: Matthew Stafford, Jonathan Taylor, and Drake May have emerged as frontrunners.
  3. Analysis of Candidates: Taylor's remarkable performance is compared to historic seasons, emphasizing the possibility of a running back winning the MVP.

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Key Insights

  • Team Dynamics: The episode emphasizes the unpredictability of NFL games, where underperforming teams can surprise everyone.
  • Coaching Influence: The performance of teams like the Dolphins and Lions underscores how coaching changes can lead to renewed success.
  • Fan Perspectives: The hosts convey the emotional rollercoaster that fans experience, particularly those of teams like the Steelers and Colts.

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Conclusion This episode of The Pat McAfee Show encapsulates the highs and lows of NFL Week 10, offering engaging discussions and insights that resonate with both dedicated fans and casual listeners alike. The dynamic conversations provide a blend of humor, analysis, and heartfelt commentary on the state of the NFL.

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0:29Let's move along to a sport. the defense will react to their different formations and styles. It's very important to an entire game. So whenever you see a team go on the field and go three and out, that really just kicks them right in the balls. Because the rest of the game was going to be dependent upon how those first 15 plays were going. Those first 15 plays, well thought out. Well thought out. A lot of conversation. A lot of decisions are made. And for us, we want to have the same thing because this is a ball show. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for our overreaction Monday. First 15! Now, this is driven by Ram, and if you hit the gas pedal of a Ram truck, the only thing you're going to hear is Ram.

1:06And the only thing you're going to feel like is King, because Ram trucks have the power you need and the luxury you deserve. Ram trucks. Okay, now let's get to our first 15. Now, put the clock up, please. What are we going to do differently? See? See? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. Second half of the job. Okay. Yeah, yeah, you see we're getting better. We've got some time of possession here. Yeah, first half of the season here. We're kind of bad. We're still in it. You know, we're still playing meaningful football games in November. We're not sellers at the trade deadline by any means. But we certainly weren't just dominating, you know, because we kept saying first 15, it's not about the time, it's about the plays.

1:37But then we put a 15-minute clock up there and everybody's like, hey, it's 42 minutes, so what's the clock for? And we said, you know what, you're right. Instead of counting down, we need to give no barriers to ourself. Yeah. We need to explore everything in this first 15. Why would we be setting up a three and out? Why would we be setting up a slowdown of any good conversation? a stoppage of any play that we need. So we're starting at zero. We're counting up. Let's see how long today goes. Let's get this thing started with the top five headlines coming out of the NFL slate. Number five, not all ass teams are ass all the time.

2:12Now, what are you saying by that? Well, what I'm saying is some of these teams, we've all just deemed ass. We say, oh, that squad there, ass. That team right there, not worth a damn. That team can't beat any team, let alone an NFL team or a good NFL team. And what we need to remember, D. Butch, and I think this does get forgotten about whenever it comes to maybe the larger scale of football fans and NFL fans, these are all professional athletes who are paid to try to play football good and to strategize against other teams, just like the good squads. So whenever we were 2-14, whenever we lost or 2-14, whenever we got Andrew Luck, there was like nine games that were one-score games that if the ball just so happened to and then pop up into some guy that played one NFL game in his life, it was this particular game, and he just goes in the end zone, we win that game.

3:01So it's like I think people just start to decide if a team is good and can win or if a team is bad and can't win any game. And then you kind of just toss away any of the wins that happened throughout the season with the bad teams. And then if they end up beating a team, oh, my God, full panic. It happened down there in Miami with the Buffalo Beals. Now, Josh Allen has struggled in Miami in the past. We all do recall a couple bad games for Josh down in Miami. That would continue. And this Miami Dolphins team, we all call ass. This team's ass. Instead, they still got Waddle. And allegedly, there were some teams, including the Buffalo Beals, that were looking for Waddle.

3:36Even a first-rounder in 2027 was offered up from a couple teams for Waddle because of how incredible he is at football. But we all think he's really good. He needs to get the hell out of there because they're a bad team. And here they are on a Sunday, and they're beating the Buffalo Bills. And not just beating them, pounding them. All three phases. There was a moment in the fourth quarter. It was 16-0 in the fourth quarter. There was a moment there where Josh Allen scores a touchdown. It's like, hold the phone. Wait a minute. Has Josh Allen finally got over his Miami flu? Is Josh Allen potentially about to turn this entire thing around?

4:09Are the Buffalo Bills about to do to the Miami Dolphins what we all expect to do, just steal their joy and their hope in the fourth quarter? And the Miami Dolphins answered, D-Butt. I mean, it was an ass-kicking. Even when the Bills started, the Dolphins would answer. Everybody says they're ass. Maybe they're not ass all the time, D-Butt. And you mentioned it, and they hear it. They hear it every day about how ass they are. Not only the players, but the coaches. Who's getting fired next? Who's getting traded? Obviously, the trade deadline is over now. But the way these boys showed up, starting with HN, absolute game breaker ran through them.

4:40And it's the only place that the Dolphins beat the Bills. You mentioned that earlier as well. And this was kind of an ugly weather game. It didn't show through on the camera much, but this was kind of some rain on and off, some sloppy. I love this. I know a lot of people have a lot of thoughts about this or they're acting like they're winning the Super Bowl. But, hey, winning is an amazing feeling. You mentioned every week in the NFL is talented coaches, is talented players. You know, we got so many breakdances and shit. And my initial reaction was like, oh, this is too much. This is this. But then I'm like, okay, I'm an old guy.

5:12I haven't been in the locker room. You're coaching 20 to 30-year-olds, and you're excited about the win, and you want to be excited about the win. So I love this, what I saw not only on the field from the Dolphins, but off the field because Mike Medell, he's been getting on the shins all year long. So for him to have his boys come out there and compete against a team that everybody picked, I'm sure a bunch of survivor picks, lost a bunch of parlays, straight-up wins. So, unbelievable outing by the Dolphins at home. Very impressed with this outing. This was Miami's first win versus the Bills since 2022.

5:43A-chan went off, 174. Six receptions for 52 yards and two touchdowns. Dolphins' defense forced two fumbles, one interception, and ended up with three sacks. That's a hell of a day after trading away Jalen Phillips and also sending away all your best talent. Hembo sent over a stat about this Bills rush defense. Week one, Derrick Henry went for 169. Bajon went for 170. And then A-chan goes for 174. If you want to win, hey, if you want to win in the playoffs, they're going to have to figure that out. They are going to have to figure that out. Now, obviously, these types of games are certainly possible for teams, and no fans want them to see them.

6:15But only one team in the history of the NFL has gone undefeated. It's the 1972 Dolphins. Every once in a while, professional athletes are going to show up and put it together. And when that happens, they can beat anybody. That is kind of what the NFL has kind of been built upon. Parody, parody, parody any given Sunday. on yesterday on yesterday's particular sunday good for you one half of the hammer down cowboys bubble gumpy gumpy how's it feel to be have a victory monday here with the boys are you riding into laundry rack yeah this is what the dolphins look like after chris greer's gone uh that team still believes in mike mcdaniel you saw it in that video anthony weaver called the best game he's had all year minka had a stop on that two-point conversion just stuffed the guy at the line Best the defense has looked all year.

7:00Jake Bailey dropped one at the one. All three phases, just unbelievable from the Finns. So a GM and a president has hated this bad in a building? Oh, my God. Thank God he's gone. That's what it's like down there. It feels like there was a new energy. And McDaniel, I mean, the way he's feeling, the way they're responding to him, it feels like there's like a, hey, we're behind you type of vibe. Good for the Dolphins. Now, this could all change. Yeah, true. This could all just be, you know, take it in, boys. It's a good week. Take it in, boys. But this is the NFL. We'll see. This is literally the NFL in a nutshell.

7:31And also, down in Miami, later in the year. We got snow on the ground out here. Going down into Miami, the humidity. That also plays effect. And also, there is a Miami flu. We've all been done. There's a lot of distractions. That's why we think it's going to be hard for the Dolphins to win. Other teams have also struggled down there as well. I mean, like Minka Fitzpatrick bringing it. I don't know if that was his first game as a Miami Dolphin. But I know he's been out for a little bit, him being back. And then, I mean, Ty dropped a bar about Jalen Phillips being out of the building. You would assume trading your best player, Jalen Phillips, on defense at least, there might be a little bit of a fall-off, but not at all.

8:04If anything, you just said it. That was the best their defenses looked. Yeah, congrats to the Dolphins. Get a big win. And to the Bills, okay, these types of losses open your eyes to what's possible in the bigger games down the road. They're going to have to get that fixed. And then you go to the NFC South. Who's ass down there? Saints. Well, who's not ass this year maybe? Panthers. Good football team. Saints, Tyler Shuck, 75-year-old rookie out of Louisville. Dog. Absolute beast. He had no turnovers or something like that. I forget, he had a bunch of rookie records for how he performed. Kelly Moe might have a guy.

8:41When they drafted him, I think it was like third round or something like that. Whenever they drafted him, they forgot. They acted like this was a starter. Everybody was like, if this is your starter, why wouldn't you draft him early? We knew what his value was. We knew how people viewed him. They liked him very, very early. He gets a win over the Carolina Panthers. And a team that's 1-8 somehow beats a team that's 5-4. And a 1-8 team we all said was ass and were dead. They get a huge win over the, you know, kind of new favorites around town. You know, we're not doing the pumps anymore. Nope. We're not doing any pumps anymore.

9:11Hey. Hey, all right. We're out of here. Got a message from Keegan. You know, Canales is talk of the town. Rico Dowdle might be the best player in football. All of a sudden, Carolina is up and to the right in a huge way. and the New Orleans Saints, just like their location on the map, nobody was talking about them way down there. Nobody. Hey, who are the ass teams? Well, the Jets and Saints. They're real bad. They're the ones that we're talking about, like, with a college football team. Now, I don't think any of this year's college football teams, well, maybe this Ohio State team. Honestly, we have no idea.

9:42I mean, there's a chance they're the greatest of all time. If they go through a college football playoff, the same exact way that they've been going through this season. It's a chance. There is a chance. People are going to do that. Ohio State could beat NFL team. No chance. Never could, by the way. That is not how it works. That is why people kind of get confused about how good NFL talent is. But the Saints would have been the team that was in that conversation whenever people started doing that later, if the Ohio State kind of runs it. Them getting a big win is indicative of like, hey, when they show up, any team can be great.

10:11Once again, another coach having his boys ready to go. Tyler Shuck, he was past the job. He earned the job, won the job over. I guess Spencer probably played himself out of it. But he showed up. Chris Olave, another guy who was loud on the trading block, He showed up and had a big game as well. In both of those games, the Dolphins, Bills, and then the Saints, Panthers, divisional games. So you know this. Whenever records, you got to throw those out the window when you're playing a team and a coach that's very familiar with those opponents. Eight minutes in, still on the first one. Maybe we should have had the clock kind of done instead of up.

10:42Tyler Shuck is the first Saints rookie quarterback to win a game since Dave Wilson in 1981. He was good. Zach Wilson's poppy. Yeah. Pop is poppy. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think it was potentially fodder's fodder type thing. Arch had a tough time there with the Aints for a while. They did. They weren't the best football team. Arch the dog, though. Oh, yeah. Everybody knows Arch was a dog. And, yeah, the Aints had some times. And then, obviously, Drew Brees, Sean Payton come in. They beat a team in the Super Bowl with a kicker onside kickstart second half. And we're losing it at that time. There was a 22-year-old kid that was on the other team that thought he was getting a Super Bowl and didn't even know how to do his other job Bobby didn't really have to contribute much, but got an A on the paper like he was Tyrese Halliburton at the Olympics.

11:25Instead, yeah, onside kick, pick six. Way never going back. Hard times, brother. But good for the Saints. Yeah. Little baby with a headset on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I walk into a locker room, contributing nothing. No ability to save game either at any time. Doing that entire thing. Kind of a spectator, if you will, but would have got a ring. walk in there devastated boy can't imagine the most positive people i've ever seen in my life ruined in that locker room and i didn't fully understand what was happening we'll be back next year we weren't you're after you after that no we're almost completely defeated that all my friends were cut gm was fired and we had andrew luck as quarterback and what do we do?

12:20We started fighting back. Made the playoffs. Made the NFC Championship. Oh my God. Then we did. Then what happened? Then we did. Then I retired. NFC title again? How was it? We got cheated. Yeah, the ball is still an investigation. Why Andrew retired? This is the ball is the Patriots. This is the ball is the Patriots. That's what Bill Nye's science guy told me. That's what Bill Nye's science guy told me. But nonetheless, really hard to make Super Bowl. Saints win Super Bowl, finally. Hey, here it is, here it is, here it is. And then kind of all goes to hell. This year is supposed to be hell. Absolutely.

12:53But not all ass teams are ass all the time. Exactly. That's number five. Ten minutes. It's got number four headline coming out of the weekend. NFC favorites fornicate. Four o 'clock slate. Yeah, we all saw it. Let's go to our nation's capital. Detroit Lions pounded. Oh, Washington. Pounded. I mean, just pounded. The Washington Commanders. At one point during this game in the third quarter, The president of the United States was in the booth, and the Washington commander scored, and his first reaction was, that's good for ratings, right? That's good. This is actually kind of a game now as opposed to what it was.

13:27The Detroit Lions with Dan Campbell calling plays were exactly what the Detroit Lions last year with Ben Johnson were calling plays. He had glasses on. I guess it wasn't easy to tell from watching the game that he was certainly calling plays while he was actually talking, and Jared Goff was nodding his head like this. and then jolly mo up in the booth wasn't saying really anything but i guess couldn't we didn't know for sure if he was calling plays turns out he was and their entire offense is good and their defense incredible kelvin shepherd defense coordinator first year former teammate of ours obviously now running the show for detroit on defensive side might be in running for that lsu job i don't know if he wants it obviously he just got defense coordinator job in the nfl that is a huge deal one step away from an NFL head coaching job I don't know if he I've not directly asked him but LSU Kelvin Shepard could be possible so the Lions could be dealing with another turnover of a coordinator which was the entire question going in new offense coordinator he's done Dane Campbell's now calling place so basically three offense coordinators in about two years right if you go Ben Johnson new Johnny Moe and Dane Campbell defense coordinator obviously two in two years and they're still dominating and they're still at the top of the NFC and they're still ruining a 4 o 'clock slate.

14:40What did you learn yesterday from the Detroit Lions? Oh, you know what? I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't learn much. I knew they were a dominant team. I felt like the Detroit Lions are a legit contender to win it all this year. Jared Goff just kind of ho-hummed. Another great game by him over 300 yards. You got Jameer Gibbs going. He had a big day after having a bad outing last week against the Vikings. And then J-Mo. J-Mo made some noise a couple weeks ago. It was some noise around him, should I say, about him not getting the ball, not being used in the offense. And Dan Campbell made it a point to get the ball, probably in his first 15, to get the ball to number one.

15:14And he made good with it. So he got targets. He made his big plays. But, yeah, we know what they are offensively and defensively. The commanders is just so, so bad. So, honestly, I didn't know. Now, there's a team that's ass. This was the outcome that was supposed to happen, in my opinion. But not ass all the time, which is why they're going to do his thing. If they put it together, good team. But if not, they look like they look, and especially against the Detroit Lions, you're ready. Foxy, there's some hembo stats here about the Lions offense through nine games, and they make a change at the offense coordinator position.

15:47In 2024, Ben Johnson obviously ends up getting hired as a head coach, as the bell of the ball, because he's an offensive genius. 2.7 points per drive, 46 % scoring drive, 33 touchdowns, 10 turnovers. 2025, 2.8 points per drive, which is absurd, by the way, a field goal every time they get the ball at least, basically. 47 % drive for score and 34 touchdowns, 6 turnovers. You guys are better than ever, and Dane Campbell's put himself in a driver's seat? What the hell's going on, Doxon? I will tell you what. Everyone is fired up about this. They love that MCDC's call and plays. Jared Goff over 300 yards, three touchdowns.

16:17Jameer Gibbs, 173 total yards, three touchdowns. J-Mo over 100 yards, a touchdown. LaPorta had five catches. St. Brown had five catches. Everyone was getting the rock. Everyone was loving what this offense was doing. And we're rolling now, and we're not looking back anymore. Love you, Johnny Mo. and he had a lot to do with this play calling. But this is MCDC's offense now. Okay, yeah. MCDC says, we got a lot of guys, man. We got a lot of guys. A lot of miles to feed. Everybody's coming in my office on Monday saying, hey, it's Baltimore. You know what? I will. Awesome. Scored on every single possession in the game.

16:53No turnovers. It was literally perfect. Yeah, I mean, the stats saying you're scoring almost three points a drive is insane because there's games where you have like three, four drives you don't score, obviously. So making up for those, it doesn't happen. Detroit Lions seemingly all the way back to who we thought they were offensively. Ty, you've got to be scared to death of this Detroit Lions team because if MCDC can just take over either coordinator position, it doesn't matter if they sub out. It doesn't matter if Kelvin Shepard ends up being the head coach at LSU if he wants that or any NFL job that potentially opens up because of what he's been able to do with his defense so quickly because MCDC will have offensive side here, bang, defensive side here if he has to.

17:32That's what he's willing to do. that's got to be scary in the NFC North I wouldn't say I'm scared to death because the Packers have one in the hand already on the Lions but again that was Johnny Moe calling the plays not MCDC but I think yesterday just reaffirmed like there's been a lot of talk about the Bears because they've won several in a row you know the Vikings had I mean discount yesterday Vikings with JJ and you know BA said hey we might get four teams from the NFC North in the Packers are you know what they are but it's very evident that like when the lions play their a to like b plus game they are the best team in that division they're still the team that you need to slay so it'll be very interesting but i just look at i mean you look at the like bears are great right now obviously lions hung 50 on them and beat the shit out of them the packers game it is what it is week one the lions are a much different team when they meet again on thanksgiving and then the vikings are whatever but if the lions can play like this you'd be hard-pressed to find a team that's better than him in the NFL.

18:29Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic. And they got Sonic and Knuckles everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Wide receiver, we got Sonic and Knuckles. Tight end, we got Sonic and Knuckles. Running back, we got Sonic and Knuckles. And offensive play callers, we got Sonic and Knuckles. True, yeah. We kind of got literally. And now, some Lions fans are saying, well, there's some games you got ass and cheeks all over the place. But Sonic and Knuckles seemingly everywhere around the line. And then there's even a toughness to the team that brings out other people to just punch them in the face. Exactly. Did you guys see this?

19:00I don't know if everybody saw this. He got suspended for a game for this. Just out of nowhere, no look, kind of a little bit of a sneaker. What are you saying? A little sneaky, sneaky sneaker. Boom. Right to the button. Now, he has a helmet on, okay? So, obviously, you're going to be protected. That's literally what the helmet's on for that. But Amon Ross St. Brown's hands are down, and he's walking a different direction. I'm not sure he knew a looping right was coming at his helmet. But I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. The NFL did not like it. The NFL did not like it. Immediately. Yep.

19:34They suspended. Can't have that. Especially when we got a lot of eyes on this because the president's going to be speaking in the third quarter. They're actually going to have him call play. Oh, that's probably why he's like, shit, I probably didn't like to dance. Maybe. I just thought about it. Chris Sims had no idea. Somebody needs to tell him maybe what was going on. At the beginning of that highlight, they were trying to lead you to something there. Maybe it was. I can't wait until I get next. Yabba! Great dance, by the way. I remember the talk of the town. I thought it was the opposite of that.

20:04I thought Darren Payne was more so saying, like, I ain't going to just sit here and get blown out in front of President Trump. I'm going to punch someone in the face. I'll love that. And then I don't have to play the rest of the game. So he knows you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what, a lot of people said a lot of mean things to me because I broke some news out of the White House. I thought it was journalism. What are we talking about, journalism? They were meaning for breaking news? A lot of people saying, I was doing a lot of stuff. I was doing a lot of stuff. I mean, they're going to be crazy.

20:29I can't wait to see how they react tomorrow. I can't wait to see how they react. Tomorrow's a big one. It's not for the first 15, because tomorrow is a full 24 hours of honor and thanking. But I'll tell you, tomorrow is going to be big. Historic. I had birthday, Marines. I had birthday, Marines. It wasn't just the Detroit Lions that made the 4 o 'clock slate completely fornicated. Oh, no, no. There's two other options. And the NFC West said, we'll go ahead and take care of those for you. Los Angeles Rams, dominant. Now, it did become a little bit of a game. This one was a one-score game for a little bit.

21:06And then Matthew Stafford does ahead and hits the gas pedal at the end of this thing to put it away. This Los Angeles Rams team is special. Offensively, they're special. Obviously, Puka Nakua is Puka Nakua. He might be the best wide receiver in football on any given day whenever he's playing football. Insanely tough, very quick, vibes immaculate, and always wants to show up for his team. We love Oos. They add Devontae Adams, so now coverages have to do what they have to do. Down the red zone, they're damn near unstoppable because you can't double Devontae because you've got Puka on the other side.

21:36So Devontae's one-on-one either with your second or third corner. And on the goal line, that's unstoppable. I mean, it's absolutely – and Matthew Stafford does just that every time. This is their goal line play. It's every single week. Hey, Devontae, whatever the hell you want to do to the guy. If you want to go inside, you do it. You want to go outside, you do it. I'm going to hit you with the ball. They do it anytime they're inside the three. It's their tush push. They got the Hall of Fame right arm of Matthew Stafford and the Hall of Fame release of Devontae Adams. They put that together, and it's a touchdown-creating machine.

22:07It's outrageous what they've been able to build, especially because whenever they started building this team, they went all in and lost all their picks. They lost all their picks. They weren't looking for the future at all is how everybody was judging them. And now here we are in that particular future. They're young on defense. Very good. Offense, they have weapons. And Matthew Stafford looks like he's 14, 15, 16 years old again, spinning it all over the yard. Was it because of that tube he went into in training camp? This guy's outrageous. He's better than he's ever been. Yeah, we're worried about him.

22:36Anytime you got an old player or quarterback coming into the season with a back injury, you're very, very worried. But he's playing probably the best football of his career. This is now three straight games where he's thrown four passing TDs and zero interceptions, which is insane in the National Football League. You talked about the players on the field. Obviously, everyone has the talent. We talked about it. But then the coaching. Coaching matters. And these are two coaches that are very familiar with each other. But Sean McVay has his boys rolling. Tom Brady, I think this was a great call. The freaking no look.

23:05I mean, he's the OG of that. He's been doing that for a long, long time. He makes it look so easy. I mean, go out and try this in your backyard with throwing a seven and eight-year-olds. This is tough to do. let alone on the NFL field. But, yeah, Sean McVay has done a tremendous job. Tom Brady made a great point about something they're doing with their offense. They're using a lot of 13 personnels and then getting matchups with these wide receivers against linebackers and safeties because they're facing base coverages as opposed to, like, nickel coverages. So since week four, you talked about the four-plus passing touchdowns, no interceptions.

23:34Since week four, he has 20 passing touchdowns to zero interceptions. Jesus. He's hilarious. Hey, that's insane. He got drafted on a class. Yes. Look what we're doing. Yep. Look what we are doing. We've been doing it for a while. How long we've been doing this? We got drafted. I got drafted 221 picks apart from Matthew Stafford. I got 40 picks after him. Damn. Damn. What the hell? Okay. Hey, dude. That's a good signing bonus. In that economy? Yeah. We have four. Your teammate, Donald Brown, went first round. I think he was the 27th pick maybe. And then we had Will Beattie go to the Giants in the second round.

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24:11and now Cody Brown go to the Cardinals in a second. Donald Brown was a beast. I love that, man. I hope he's good. We would all like to say what's up to him. But, yeah, Matthew Stafford's only getting better somehow. It makes no sense. And his no-look passes are getting more, very, like, regular now. Like, it's just average stuff. I think a lot more people are doing it. But he has, to everybody's point, been doing this for his entire career, which is why B.A., who's called the quarterback whisperer, said that Matthew Stafford was the only quarterback he'd go out and watch warm-up because of the shit he can do with it.

24:41Well, he's got weapons. He's got McVay calling the plays, and he can still do it. He's special right now. MVP at this age would be wild for Matthew Stafford. Yeah, definitely deserves it. And I believe Brady said on the broadcast that he's never been an all-pro quarterback, so he can lock that in for first team. But Brady also talked about how, you know, the no looks started with Calvin Johnson because, like, everyone knew, okay, it's Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson on the lines. That's where the ball's going. So he just naturally started working on the no-look passes. But aside from that, Deba brought up the 13 personnel.

25:14Now that they can just roll out three tight ends, Higby, Ferguson, who was their second-round pick from Oregon, and Parkinson, who scored that touchdown there, they can legitimately beat you on offense. And I don't know how you can game plan for it. Hey, let's talk about another team in the NFC West that can win it all. The Seattle Seahawks team is hilarious. Yeah, really. They are so good. Good football team. And we thought the Cardinals were good. We like the Cardinals. The Cardinals might still be good. They had a couple touchdowns they put up there. This was a boat race early. This was a lot of points to no points in Seattle.

25:45And Jackson Smith and Jigba gets on the board early. I think he went down for a little bit. Something happened. I don't remember. It was late in the thing. I think I saw a photo. Maybe not. Let's just act. If nobody else heard it or saw it, let's not even talk about it. We have a man on the phone here in about a minute and a half will be able to give us some updates at all. But the Seattle Seahawks, outrageous how good they are. Sam Darnold, so good. On the ground, so good. Through the sky, so good. Defensively, tough, hard-nosed, signed, gap control. It's like everything about him smells a – this thing can win a championship.

26:18Another legit contender right here. We always start with the quarterback, Sam Darnold. He's been playing at a very, very high level. But this game got out of reach early because of the defense. Two fumble returns. I don't think this has happened in I don't know how long. But Demarcus Lawrence had two fumbles. The same two players on the strip sack in the fumble return, which is crazy. Jacoby Brissett kind of never had a chance. He was under duress all afternoon long. He'll stay in there. Whenever you have possessions like that, give the Seahawks extra possessions. You got no chance. This is a tough, tough ball club from the top to the bottom.

26:48Jacoby was staying in there, and he certainly had to. He was like seven sacks in the first half. There was – Yeah, Cooper Cubs, sexy. I forgot about him. Him being back is crazy just because Jackson Smith and Jigba's having the season that he's having. Oh, yeah, triple crown. Actually, quadruple crown winner just from five, six years ago. also on the team and hopefully healthy for the entirety of the year. Congrats to the Seahawks. The NFC's favorites, though, have kind of separated themselves. And tonight, it's Eagles and Packers. So, you know, we're going to learn a lot here, I think, over the next few weeks.

27:15But it feels like we're starting to know who's who in both the conferences. The NFC favorites dominated that 4 o 'clock time slot. And we all started doing stuff other than watch the games. That was crazy. Big time. It was tough. That was a weird thing. Three games, all of them bad, not good. That's why March Madness has like 15 games on at the same time. Exactly. Hey, a couple of these are going to be asked. We've got to find a good one. We need that yesterday. Let's go to the number three headline. The sportsbooks and Steelers fans knew. Okay. Sportsbooks had the Baltimore Ravens at like 2-4, 2-5 as the favorites to win the AFC North when the Pittsburgh Steelers were 4-1 or whatever the hell it was, 4-2, 5-2, whatever the hell they were.

27:54Okay. They were way down early. Steelers spent all the money on the roster and were winning. and the sports books did not budge. They're like, Baltimore Ravens are going to win the AFC North. This is how this is going to go for weeks and weeks. And I actually just thought it was so preposterous. And I'm like, well, this sounds like it has to be right. So I've literally only picked the Ravens just because it's like the time travelers who do the sports books things are saying this is going to happen. And lo and behold, it seems like it is happening. Lamar Jackson and the Ravens getting very, very good.

28:25Okay, very, very good. A couple turnovers from J.J. McCarthy. Obviously, the defense is only going to get better from where they started this entire thing. And Lamar Jackson, after he goes ahead and takes the ping pong tables and the cornhole board and everything out of the locker room, comes back from his hamstring injury completely locked in. Connor is giving a great face right now because obviously Drake May, J.J. McCarthy conversations are going to happen. J.J. will miss. He will miss by a lot. He will miss by a lot. He's got to get better with his accuracy, which I think is possible. If you go back to, like, Josh Allen, there's a chance he's able to do that.

28:59Has competitive spirit, all that shit. He misses a lot of throws by a lot, but he also makes throws out of nowhere that shouldn't be made. On that note, Baltimore Ravens. What Jeff is a slip? First off, that's not JJ either. That's nine. Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, okay, okay. You're right. It's his on field. Maybe we need to see JJ. Maybe JJ is the NFL version. He's shit hit nine. Yeah, maybe nine is an Indian NFL. Maybe nine retired with a national championship. A lot of Will Levin. But in a leadership sense, he has a lot of Tom Brady. That's right. Okay, so there's a lot of things you can look at that.

29:35I'll look on the other side. Baltimore Ravens are real. And the Baltimore Ravens, the sportsbooks knew they were going to be good. Lamar Jackson feels good. A lot of losses early. They're going to be chasing all season. That's good motivation for that team. And then the Pittsburgh Steelers get a huge win over the Indianapolis Colts. Makes me as a Colts fan. Don't worry, you'll see number one of the headlines here. You'll see exactly where I'm at. It makes me, as a Colts fan, question some things, but we had six turnovers. Like, that's not going to be a normal day. But the Pittsburgh Steelers forced those things.

30:01You know, the Pittsburgh Steelers made great plays. It's like maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers are a team that we need to think about going forward. That's how I felt after the Colts game. Last night, halftime, I said, fuck this. I'm going to bed. You weren't feeling it. I'm going to bed. I'm not staying up for this shit. I mean, it was not good last night, but we think the Chargers are a good football team as well. But it feels like Steelers fans have been waiting for this particular game, especially on primetime. Yeah, there was about a week ago when I looked at the schedule to see what time this game was.

30:29Oh, shit, it's a primetime game. This is not going to go well. I don't know why things don't go well in primetime for the Steelers as of late, but they don't. Specifically on the offensive side of the ball, anything that could go wrong did go wrong last night. It was Aaron Rodgers' worst game of the season by far. Wasn't even close. Was overthrowing DK. Was underthrowing guys. That was an overthrow for an interception. Boz missed a field goal. Inside 50. 45. Yeah. As soon as Boz missed the field goal, I knew the night was over. The defense played well. I mean, they held the charges to, what, 12 points in the fourth quarter.

31:02Good route. But, yeah, after Boz missed in halftime, I said, I know what this team's going to do in the second half, and it's not going to be good. So I turned it off. This team is not going to ruin my night and tomorrow morning. Okay, so I like that you said that. I like that you said that. But on that note, that's what Steelers fans have been saying about the Steelers team, even whenever they've had the winning record. Yeah, Steelers fans, I give them this. They know ball. Even when they were 11 all those years ago, they're like, no, this ain't a Super Bowl winning team. Steelers fans are very, very truthful.

31:31They're knowledgeable. They know their team. They know how they're going to show up on prime time. But I was surprised with this outcome because the Steel Curtain showed up now. It is true. It was only because the 05 team was there. Because this – What the hell? Okay.

31:48Is Jack Carr here? Oh, no. He better be. Zito's on the run. Thank you, Zito. The thing didn't close either. The fire trap door. Well, that is actually, I think, that is sports media telling us through. We have breaking news. Brian Dayball has been fired. What? As the New York Giants head coach. In the middle of the first 15 here, our alarms were sirening off because, hey, there's breaking news. Stop talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers losing to the Chargers. You lost enough of your life watching that game last night. Pivot to some breaking news. The New York football giants are moving on from their head coach.

32:34Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NFL insider for ESPN, Michigan man, Adam Schefter. Schefter, I know you were kind of waiting for us to finish while you were breaking that news. Did you expect that was coming this morning, or has this kind of come out of nowhere for you, Shefty? No, I think that we kind of had a sense that this was possible. We knew this was coming. And, Pat, our timing has been impeccable over the last week. We're basically, you're getting me honest, we got Sauce Gardner being traded, Rasheed Shahid being traded, Quinn and Williams was coming down last week. Will he remind you of all the things I've done here?

33:11It is just Brian Gable who's been dismissed. as the only one. Interesting. This is pretty amazing. When you look at it, the Giants interim head coach, whoever that will be, will be their sixth head coach since 2016. Jeez. Okay, so that's nine years ago, sixth head coach, obviously a lot of turnover. We saw the hard knocks behind the scenes in the offseason. Whenever Mara comes in And Shane talks about moving on from Saquon to go in with Danny Dimes. We've seen Dayball run the meetings, basically, for all of their picks that they've done at the combine in the draft process. Dayball knew this was a make-or-break season.

33:56Is that why he potentially wanted Aaron Rodgers maybe as quarterback, Russell Wilson as a quarterback, Jameis Winston as a quarterback, like a veteran quarterback to be able to go on a run? And what does this mean for Jackson Dart and the development of the future here, Shefty, in your eyes? Well, I think here's the deal. Now, Jackson Dart has been evaluated for four concussions this year. Four. And so the biggest thing this team can do is make sure it's protecting its quarterback. We've got a quarterback that has been evaluated for four concussions. We've got a team that has blown double-digit leads in four different road games.

34:35They are the inverse of the Chicago Bears. They've been in a position to win all these games and haven't gotten it done. And I think that at some point in time, you make the decision that we're not going to move forward with this guy. I think this is a team also that puts so much money and time and investments and picks into its defense. And the defense is one of the worst in the league right now. And so I think that they feel like they need a reboot here. And they made the decision to move on from Brian Dayball. We'll see who the interim head coach is. I'm trying to think of the candidates on staff.

35:13Mike Kafka is the offensive coordinator. He might be a candidate here to take over as the head coach, though they might want him to concentrate on the offense, in which case it would be the special teams coach. So, yeah, but Brian Dable becomes the second head coach let go this year following Brian Callahan in Tennessee. You talk about the defense and having all these players supposed to be good and being dreadful, then it makes you automatically go to Shane. So Shane, they're not moving on from Shane right now, you say, the general manager. Do we think he— Not right now. I'm told that Brian Dayball is the only one.

35:48Look, I think it's fair to assume that when you're firing the head coach, everybody is going to come under review. Everybody. What they do with that, we'll see. That'll be up to John Mara, Steve Tisch, and others. But obviously, they felt like this was a move that they had to make today. Okay, we appreciate the insight, and thank you for joining us here immediately. We've talked about a few things in this top five headlines. Do you mind if we go to number two right now while you're on here? What is number two? More visible picture at the MVP picture. It feels like there is now a three-horse race for the MVP in Drake May, Matthew Stafford, and Jonathan Taylor.

36:26First, we'll go with Drake May. Unbelievable for a second year, second head coach, second offensive coordinator, three if you go back three years for him, back to college. He is leading this Patriots. I mean, it is fun to watch. Had him early. You know, it feels like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Todd Bowles defense had him early because I was reading Connor's tweets about it. It's like, whoa, tough day with Todd Bowles right now. Tough day. Then he makes this throw with a guy about to hit him. Has to be a touch pass with like a quarter throw. And it's like this dude is special, special. And it's not just us saying that, Schefter.

36:58Sportsbooks have him as the odds-on favorite to win the MVP. That is insane to think about at this stage. Matthew Stafford, we just talked about being immaculate. And then Jonathan Taylor, this dude's special. 250 yards or whatever it was in Germany yesterday. He's been doing it all season. There's a lot of stats and factoids about what he's been doing versus Adrian Peterson in Adrian Peterson's MVP season. Up to this point, obviously what the teams were, 8-2, 6-4. He has 17 touchdowns. I thought We had a seven touchdowns, 1 ,399 yards from scrimmage, 1 ,283 yards from scrimmage. So what Jonathan Taylor is doing is obviously historic and obviously better than an MVP season was for a running back in the past.

37:46Adrian Peterson, we all have massive respect for as a football player. He was untackleable, and Jonathan Taylor is the same damn thing. And when Jonathan Taylor gets any space, he's gone. He is winning games for the Indianapolis Colts, and you got everybody on that team. You know, Zaire at the end of that 44 was saying, you're the best player in the world, literally on camera. I got a text from Daniel Jones that said, we got the best player on earth than Jonathan Taylor. He said, life is good with him. Nobody expected this from the Colts, Adam Schefter. And I don't know if anybody expected this from Jonathan Taylor either.

38:14If you're a voter, which I don't know if you are or not, are you going to give it to a running back, Schefter, or is this just a quarterback award, do you think, through and through? Well, here's what I would say to you, Pat. If we go back the last 12 years, 12, okay, the quarterback has won the most valuable player. By the way, Mike Kafka, officially the interim head coach for the New York Giants. Mike Kafka, the interim head coach for the New York Giants. He takes over for Brian Dayball, who was let go here this afternoon. I want to give you something here that's interesting. The quarterback position, a quarterback has won the NFL MVP each of the last 12 years.

38:56If we go back over the last seven, there are 50 voters for the MVP award. My friend Peter King pointed this out to me this morning. There are 50 voters for the MVP award. In the last seven years, there have been 350 first place votes for the MVP. Of those 350 votes, 349 over the last seven years have been for quarterbacks. The only single vote, single vote in the last seven years not for a quarterback was for Cooper Cup in 2021. Other than that, a quarterback has gotten every first place vote for the MVP award. So that tells you that Drake May, Matthew Stafford, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, they're in the lead.

39:47However, saying that, I am not a voter. I'm glad I'm not a voter. But I guess I'm not, you know, I've never been asked to be a voter. I've not been a voter since I was younger. Those privileges were revoked. My Hall of Fame privileges were revoked when I was in NFL Network. They never gave him back to me. I guess I can make fun of it now. Nobody ever gave me back. And there are a lot of people out there, in fact, that know the game way better than me. So they don't need my vote, and they don't need me to vote on the Hall of Fame either. Of course. There's a lot of people, a lot more than me. Oh, geez, the fire drops outside.

40:21Jesus. Everything's all right, boys. We're okay, boys. Thanks for coming, boys. Let them know. Dayball was just getting fired, dude, so the fire alarms went off here in Indianapolis. But I did not know you got your voting privileges revoked. I'm happy you keep that chip on your shoulder every single day when you wake up and try to change the course of the NFL with your breaking news. 349 of the 350 votes over the last seven years have gone to a quarterback. Cooper Cup, obviously everybody says he won the Triple Crown that year. It was actually the quad because he got the yards after catch, too.

40:50Oh, yeah. So it was like catches, touchdowns, yards, and then also yards after catch he had. So it was like all four he was across the board. He got one MVP vote. Okay, he got one. Jonathan Taylor's doing special things. Let's go to somebody who actually has an MVP vote, AP tone. Running back, potentially in the running, especially with how good this Colts team is. The position we're in, best team in the AFC. And he is clearly the best player on the team. Everybody on the team agrees that. Yeah, good news. Just got the email this week. I am back this year. I was great. He gets to keep his, Shefty.

41:21You bum? Shefty's a bum. Shefty, you can send me your list. Maybe I'll take it into consideration or not. But, yes, yes, Jonathan Taylor and a running back should always be considered when you're having a historic season like this. It doesn't have to be just a quarterback award. It's not named a quarterback award. So, yes, if Jonathan Taylor is the most valuable player, he should win the MVP award. Drake May, odds on favorite to win the MVP. No Patriots fan. Go ahead. I'm sorry. That's what I was saying before I got in a little bit of a riff. I don't know how you don't give the award today, today, November 10th, to Jonathan Taylor.

41:56The guys had four hat-trick games, Four games where he scored three touchdowns each. He right now is on pace to do things that very few running backs in the history of football ever have done. We're talking about a historic season. Now, again, there are a lot of games left. But look at the production. Look how it compares to an Adrian Peterson, one MVP. John, he's only scored 10 more touchdowns than him at this point, right? Oh, yeah. 10 more. right yeah so yeah that's what again pat if i did have a vote right now i would vote for john but i don't have a vote so i can't okay yeah we understand you got it revoked once again no i get in the back tone said he will listen to any ideas but obviously he has more sway than you he still has to vote for good reason but let's go to the odds on favor right now because of everything you just chatted about i think everybody just assumes including sports books inevitably at the end of the day push comes to shove whenever it's time to vote they'll say the person that's Touching the ball every single play is the most valuable position.

42:58That is normally the argument. It's not the most best player. It's the most valuable player. Quarterback's always going to be the most valuable. That's why they're getting paid$60 million a year because they touch the ball every single play. Jonathan Taylor, I think Danny Dimes would be okay with him touching the ball every single play. And I think our offense would. But we got weapons everywhere else as well, which is why the culture's so good. Let's talk about Drake May, though. Odds on favorite con man. Nobody expect that as a Patriots fan coming into the season, right? How could you expect the Patriots' second-year quarterback, who wasn't the first quarterback drafted, he's on a brand-new head coach, to be the MVP odds-on favorite through 10 weeks?

43:33Congrats to you guys, and congrats to Drake May, who seemingly has it all. Yeah, incredible. First 10 games, just to kind of piggyback off that Jonathan Taylor thing for Drake May. He's the first quarterback in the history of the NFL to have 2 ,500 pass yards, 70-plus completion percentage, 250 rushing yards, and five or fewer interceptions. Shout out, Greg Harvey. When we're talking about value and just, you know, valuable as being the word here, you can go to all those other players and then look at the cap space spent across the other offenses. I mean, it's not even close. Greg May would be most valuable.

44:06I think Matt Stavert's most deserving. Okay, and the number one story of the weekend is the Colts going to win the Super Bowl. Hell yeah. Colts going to win the Super Bowl. Congrats to us. A huge win. We got about a hard out here in one minute. This came quickly. 42-minute first 15 here. Shefty, Eagles-Packers tonight. Literally one minute we have. What should we be thinking about? I knew you didn't do that. Step out of the way, Pat. I got you. I think we're going to get Nolan Smith back tonight for the Philadelphia Eagles. I think he'll be activated by 4 o 'clock. Jair Alexander did not make the trip for the Philadelphia Eagles.

44:37Not going to play against his former team. And this is all about the tush push tonight. The Packers were the team that proposed banning it. We heard Micah Parsons last year with the Cowboys talk about the fact that it was a terrible play. Now the Eagles are going to get a chance to take their tush-push and shove it up to Packers tush-push tonight in Green Bay. You're the man. Way to tush-push your way right through that. You're the best, Adam Scheff. Adam Scheff. You look good. Breaking news on the show. We appreciate the hell.

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