PMS 2.0 1453 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 11 Recap

0:00We have a segment every single Monday, every single overreaction Monday, sorry. about the top five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate. Now, we don't like to do scripted stuff. We're kind of just a free-flowing conversation daily. It causes us to step into some stuff every once in a while. If we were more structured, we probably wouldn't be in the conversations that end up happening about us on a regular basis. Maybe even the Jeopardy clue question, if everything was a little bit more scripted and structured. But we feel candid conversation is the best way to go about learning about stuff, entertaining about stuff.

0:33and informing people about stuff. So we don't normally do this, but we said we're a football show. We need to do what football teams do. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15. Now, this is driven by Ram. It's not first 15 minutes. No, it's first 15 scripted plays that we have. In our case, it's the first five, the big five headlines coming out of a Sunday slate. We put the clock down the corner. Last week, I think we won 40-some minutes. We'll see how this one goes. Start the clock right now. Number five headline coming out of week 11, Sunday slate, the Bears. The kings of the north.

1:06Now, we got a big number four right there on the top left corner of that particular graphic, but it is number five on a headline, and that just tells you the headlines have been fluid this morning. We've been trying to learn about what the top five are, and the Bears getting a shout-out is certainly warranted of the conversation. Caleb Williams and his Bears team are doing something special. Ben Johnson came into Chicago with a whole culture that he had to shift, a whole culture he had to change, and what did he do? He did it. First couple weeks weren't easy. First couple weeks weren't easy. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these guys are never going to get along.

1:37Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these men are never going to be able to be a winning tandem in Chicago. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, will they ever see the same? One guy wears fingernail polish. The other guy wants to run his face through any wall that he sees. Are they going to be able to? They have. And they are now the kings of the NFC North with week 11 just wrapping up for them. Now, it's not just their offense. It's not just their defense. It's their special teams as well. Fourth quarter, down one. Minnesota Vikings thought they had a massive win. J.J. McCarthy makes some huge throws in the fourth quarter.

2:12Huge completion. Jordan Addison goes absolutely crazy. Big return. The Chicago Bears, Cairo Santos, snakes one in the left. Now, it looked like that thing was hooking. Somehow that thing stayed true. And now the Chicago Bears are sitting at a wonderful 7-3 record as the top of the NFC North. Dee Butch, when you see the Chicago Bears team, there's some stats you need to look at. That's their fifth win when they're trailing in the final two minutes. That's tied with the 2016 Lions and the 2011 Broncos for the most since the 1970 merger. So that is literally just already historic. We got a lot of games left to play in this entire thing.

2:52Their defense, good at everything. Defense is unstoppable. Special teams making kicks, big returns. Torrey's a great punter. Can the Chicago Bears win a Super Bowl right now? Is Ben Johnson showing up as the bell of the ball in a coaching cycle for good reason? He immediately gets there, and the monsters of the midway are all of a sudden back in Super Bowl conversations. I don't know if we put them in Super Bowl conversations just yet, but we know getting to the Super Bowl starts with getting a playoff game, a playoff home game at that, and they're in position to win their division. And we talked about how would this marriage work?

3:26How would Caleb Williams operate in this Ben Johnson offense? He's still figuring that out, but this defense, you mentioned it. Dennis Allen leading the league right now in takeaways. Got three guys right at the top of the league with Byer, Edmonds, and Wright when it comes to leading the league in interceptions. And they picked on nine, J.J. McCarthy, whoever the hell was out there throwing the ball. Even though he did stick with it, he did stay in the fight and make some plays late. They figured it out. You mentioned that third phase of the game. And this is the dynamic kickoff showing the impact on games and their outcomes because they had a chance to win the game, the Vikings.

3:58They went up a point, and then boom, in one play of the game, you kick it, Duvernay comes out and brings it to midfield, and they figure it out. You know, the president hates the kickoff, but on that note, have to throw a strike. It's like baseball, Ty. You have to land it in the strike zone, basically. You have to get out of the game. You have to cover a kick. Now, granted, there's going to be teams that don't like it, but the Chicago Bears view it as an opportunity, and they get exactly what they're looking for. They probably knew old buddy had been kicking it into the corner. They get a stretch, take that thing wide side of the field.

4:27Couple good blocks, three good blocks, and all of a sudden they're wide ass open, getting almost back in the field goal range. And Cairo Santos has been kicking a long time. Football gods blessed him on that one. Football gods blessed him on that. That thing was hooking, then it almost appears as if the football gods just kind of blew it in there because they saw some of the throws J.J. was making. And they were saying, hey, listen, this team cannot win. And that ball is still moving while he kicks it. Go back and go back a little bit. I did not know that ball was still spinning. So that ball is still kind of spinning from Torrey here as he's trying to fix.

4:59Lacey's directly right whenever he catches it. He's trying to spin it and catch it. Normal miss. Okay, so even more so. Ball spinning like that, very hard to kick. I mean, obviously you're trying to hit a sweet spot. Sweet spot is moving while you're kind of kicking it. I don't fake stats. 87 % of the time, that is a miss. That is certainly a miss, especially with the ball moving. So Cairo's mental toughness to stick through that kick without giving up and bailing on it crazy. But I think, once again, it's the football gods. I think it was the football gods saying, nah, this guy's throwing a ball in the front row, first row of stance.

5:29This guy's throwing a check down 14 yards over this guy's head. We cannot allow him to win. Now, I think J.J. in big moments needed a touchdown through one. J.J. needs one, he doesn't. So if J.J. can do what he does late in games in the biggest moments throughout the entirety of the game, I think the Vikings have something special, you know, and that's kind of what they say about nine. That's what they say about JJ. And on the flip side, Caleb Williams does Caleb Williams shit every single week. That offense is obviously going to be very dynamic no matter what, because the way Ben Johnson can kind of script things up and play the defense, he talked about it insane.

6:01Are the Green Bay Packers and everybody else in the North a little scared of the Kings, which could be the Bears for what the next 20 years of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson tie. I don't know if I'd say scared, but at this point, Like it's no longer a fluke. Like the proof is in the pudding. I think most fans in the NFC North just assumed going into the season. We understood Ben Johnson was the bell of the ball, but it's like we've seen this with the Bears time and time again over the last several years. But now it's to the point, like they win these close games, and I think what we've seen is that stuff typically, I don't know if you can play a whole year and sustain that, but that stuff doesn't usually flip in a year.

6:39It'd be like next year is the year where they lose all these one-score games. Like, they're doing it, and like you mentioned, I mean, they have a pretty tough schedule ahead of them, but, like, they just continue to win. This is not a team you want to see, you know, have the ball down a point or two in the fourth quarter. Yeah, they're very calloused. You know, they've got a lot of close games. Here you have each division leader, okay, in the NFC and the road that they have left. You talk about that Chicago Bears team. We've got Steelers, Eagles, Packers, Bronze. Now that's at home. If that was in Cleveland, that's a whole different ballgame.

7:10And I don't know how I missed it on Friday. I don't know if you saw that when I was talking about the Browns, Ravens. I didn't even put together that that was going to be a night game. 4-0-5 kickoff in Cleveland. That's going to be a night game. They're going to have lights on there. Cleveland's defense in Cleveland, like, hey. That's a tough out for anybody. That's going to be – even if their record remains what it is, which is not another win, like three wins, two wins, whatever it is, four wins, who knows what they're going to do, a quarterback. What do you mean? They need to play all three quarterbacks every single alternate snaps all week.

7:44All week they need to do that. But the Bears, you talk about the Packers twice, obviously, NFC North football. Lions last week. Niners are in there. Brock Purdy looked unbelievable. Then the Philadelphia Eagles is the Philadelphia Eagles. And the Steelers might have just found it. So when you talk about a hard road to the playoffs, if the Chicago Bears are still the kings of the North by the end of this run right here, let's assume they're going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. They are currently third shortest odds to win the North. Green Bay and the Lions are still ahead of the Bears to win the division.

8:16Yeah, and I think it's because of the road you just saw. Shout out to the Bears, though. And if your team is asked and has been asked for a long time, you should view the Bears right now. They might just lay an egg down the entire stretch. Yeah. What the hell? What's that? The Titans just irrelevant. They can no longer win the division statistically. Yeah, so the sportsbooks say we wanted to let you. What, week 12? Have we seen this week 12 yet? I'm sure there's been some ass teams. Yeah, the Lions were 0-13, I think. Yeah, and the Browns. I think we were 0-13 at one point, the Colts as well. I remember those days.

8:52You weren't here. You came after those days. You don't even know, brother. You don't even know. Browns, still a chance, Browns. Yeah, still a chance for sure for the Browns. That one seems going to get dark soon, too. That one's potentially. Going to get out of there soon. But the Bears, long road. Good luck to them. And currently, Duck Kings are to north, so let's celebrate the fact that you can be ass for a long time and then beat the Kings very soon. I guess Chicago's showing that. Now, let's go to the number four headline, shall we? Oh, did you see it? Wow. Did you see it? There's been a Josh Alien Allen sighting.

9:28This dude is not from here. This man looks like a big country bumpkin, doesn't he? Oh, yeah. He's got huge hands. Bigger than the average Joe. Bigger than the bigger Joe. Yeah. He's got more athleticism than the average. More athleticism than the athletic Joe. This man's taller than the average. This man's taller than the taller. This dude's got a better arm than the average. This dude's got a better arm than a super arm having Joe. Yep. This guy's special. Montana. This guy's MVP. Uh-huh. This guy's historic. This guy's legendary. And he's doing things that only he has done in the past. Anytime they're saying, hey, this is like the second time in history, finger roll to Deion Dawkins' good celebration.

10:11Team chemistry seemingly very high. But whenever you're the MVP, everybody thinks like, okay, how are you going to top that? How are you going to top that? Had hard knocks. How are you going to showcase that? Big celebrity wedding. This guy's super celebrity now. He's more just a football player, remember? That's right. He's reading lines. You know, he's doing other stuff. I'm not just a football player, I guess. I'm a little bit more than that. Let's go ahead and pull that. Let's run that. This guy's not focused. Yeah, right. Him and Otto Graham. are the only ones in the history of the game to go for three touchdowns on the ground, three touchdowns in the sky.

10:40In the same game, he's done it twice. Otto's only done it once. Now, at the beginning of this game, it felt like the Bucs defense had him. And at the beginning of the New England Patriots game, it felt like the Bucs defense had Drake. I'm starting to look in. I don't have a stat that, hashtag stat that. But I'm starting to wonder, do the Tampa Bay Buccaneers throw everything they have at a quarterback in like the first quarter? And then it's kind of sink or swim, and the good quarterbacks are able to figure it out, and the bad quarterbacks are going to end up dying. Let's keep an eye and a nose to the grindstone on that particular story about the Bucs defense, which certainly did their thing early.

11:08But whenever you think about what Josh Allen was able to accomplish for the rest of the game and what Josh Allen was able to do, this guy's special talent. And think back to it. We talked about the Bears being asked for the last 10 years. Josh Allen was kind of asked the first couple years of his NFL career. Guy couldn't throw a damn thing. We're talking about J.J. McCarthy throwing balls into the first row, second row, fourth row. I saw one of them, J.J. Oh, yeah. Josh Allen was the same. I mean, Josh Allen had no idea where the ball was going. Could throw it a long way. Could throw it very fast if he wanted to.

11:35Had really no clue where it was going. They bring in Stephon Diggs. He works his ass off in the offseason. He gets better and better and better, but never loses his humility or his edge. Gains a football IQ, I think, through all of the different reps, and he's still untackleable. D-butt, this guy's an alien? He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. Isn't he a little bit too relatable maybe when he talks? He's kind of funny. He's charming. He's got personality. Teammates love him. He does. You know D? No. He does these nuts jokes. Yes, he does. He does all these things that make it appear as if he's a, oh, we'll be a rancher.

12:10We'll go get a couple hundred acres or a thousand acres or whatever. They'll never expect it. This guy could be an alien just dancing in disguise of a big country bumpkin idiot who just happens to be outrageously good at football and leadership, it seems. Yeah, you're never out of it when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen reigning MVP for a reason. And look, you can look at his supporting cast. A lot of people are saying he's been saying it for years. You don't have the good enough pieces, talented enough pieces around them. But I like the stable running backs they have with Cook and Ty Johnson when he does in the pass game.

12:40Shavers, he kind of broke out this game, had a big-time game. This game was an unbelievable back and forth with Baker and Josh, but he just took it by the horns. And three touchdown passes, three touchdown rushes, you would think like a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or one of these quarterbacks has done it. Whenever you've done some shit in the NFL that hasn't been done since the 1950s, that's very, very impressive. and taking care of, you know, he threw two interceptions twice. Yeah, last year against the Rams as well and doing it again here. And just putting the team on his back. That's what they needed.

13:08That's what he needed. So, big-time play, big-time win, big-time game from Josh Allen. Josh Alien once again. Yeah, this guy's otherworldly. Can they win a Super Bowl is what everybody asks. I don't know. There's some stats and tributes that a team needs or attributes that a team needs to be able to win a Super Bowl, especially what we're looking into. Do the Buffalo Beals have that right now? I don't know about all of them, but I do know the quarterback. piece up there in the AFC. That last piece, those last few plays, those like design run plays that Joe Brady kind of called more of, so tough on the defense because you pick up an extra blocker and it really becomes 11 on 11 down here.

13:42You're first and goal down here. You're just going a quarterback sweep to the right. That's tough for a defense because you still have to count and go with James Cook and do all this other shit. You got 17 who's just as good as any top paid running back in the league when it's in the open field. So that's an unbelievable weapon for them down in that red area. Yeah, and I like how excited he is. Very rich. Yeah. Okay. Married, celebrity. Being able to figure it all out. Already accomplished. Hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, obviously. Everybody will talk about that. But still like visibly emotional and passionate about the game is what I love.

14:15That was the same about Stephon Diggs last week whenever he jumped up and did the on-site kick. I'm like, hey, that's a decision. That is a decision that was made by a guy in a moment. And there's obviously business decisions that have happened over the time. Josh Allen's still fully invested in being a guy, and it's obvious. The AFC East is starting to get packed. Two of the top three odds-on favorites for the MVP come out of the AFC East, Con, man. Yeah, Josh Allen is always going to have the Bills in it. He really is one of those guys where no matter who your quarterback is, Josh Allen is still kind of the prototype.

14:43He is filthy. I mean, you really don't see to Darius' point, a lot of guys that quarterback running QB power with never a question if they're going to get in the end zone or not. When he runs that power, it is kind of just, okay, that's a layup. If there are seven guys in there and he needs to make one miss or he needs to carry one into the end zone, it's amazing. I think I even can say this with Bills fans agreeing with me. Them not being able to stop the run will bite them in the ass. It is inevitable. You're talking about New England, sure, but look at the Colts. The Colts have the MVP, Jonathan Taylor.

15:16Could you imagine what Jonathan Taylor would do to a Bills defense who just let Sean Tucker, a third-string running back, run for 110 yards? I'm hoping it. I'm hoping it. But on the flip side, we got to see that alien dancing, which is basically the entire story of the games, I guess. And you're right. I think Buffalo Bills fans would say the same thing as UConn, man. I think they would say we don't have the pieces on the D-line to be able to figure this out. Can they scheme that, D-butt? Can you scheme your way into being a better tackling defense? No. No, no. You got to have the personnel. And they're banned out.

15:44I mean, scheme helps. Coaching helps. But you need the personnel out there, especially when it gets to real nut-cutting time down late in the season. All right. Let's go to the number three headline coming out of the weekend in our eyes. Spitgate. Ugh. A study on saliva sullying this sport. What's the word sully mean, you say? Hey, what do you mean by sullying something? Well, sully means to damage the purity or integrity of or to defile. Okay. Seems like sully was actually the perfect word to describe this particular spitgate. Now, let's go to the game in question. Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers.

16:19Long rivalry. Huge. There's been famous fights in the past in this particular series that have caused playoff games to go a different direction. You're talking about AFC North heat. You're talking about the toughness of Cincinnati. The toughness of Pittsburgh. Two newer guys, two said rivalry. Tamar Chase obviously been there for a couple years with Cincinnati Bengals. Jalen Ramsey just got traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's playing safety now full-time. And it feels like that's probably the position that he should have been playing for a long time. They'll be able to do a lot with him. The one thing that will be constant with Jalen Ramsey, though, he's always going to be up in your shit.

16:53And Jamar Chase didn't love that. I guess there was constant bickering. And then it came to an head right here. And when you see... Oh! Jayla Ramsey said, I don't think so. He says to the ref, did you see that? Did you see that? And Austin Briskey says, you know what? I don't think you guys saw it. Let's go ahead and zoom this in a little bit more. Boom. Wow. Now, Jamar Chase was asked about this after the game in the locker room, and this is how it went down. So, Justin, you did not spit on him at all. That's what you're saying. I didn't spit on nobody. Okay, so then that leads to the question.

17:27Is there a chance that Jamar Chase speaks like Sergeant Slaughter? Is there a chance that he had no idea that he hopped a massive loogie onto Jalen Ramsey? And he happened to do it low, too, so he'd hit some skin. You see, this is starting to become a thing. You got the visor here. You got the thing. I'm going to make sure I get in there. Maybe Jamar Chase is just a speedy talker and an active speaker. And that loogie that clearly came out of his mouth onto Jalen Ramsey was just a part of him. You poof. Maybe he caught him a— I can't have it. Maybe he caught him a— Oh, you know what I'm saying.

18:01You're my piece of poop. Yeah, maybe a piece of poop or whatever the case is. And if he's able to breathe and run with that much saliva in his mouth naturally, that's a feat in of itself, and they should do a sports science, rest in peace, on everything he's doing. Jalen Ramsey said, yeah, he's lying. He spit on me, so it's up. I'm going to give a fuck about football after that. Respectfully. Respectfully, of course. He spit on me, so it's up. So, like, football's kind of behind it there. So let's just chit-chat about this a little bit. There does seemingly become a line in things that are allowed and not allowed.

18:35Happens in combat sports. You'll see, like, something's said, something's done, where they're like, you went too far, you went too far. Feels like everybody in competitive sports agrees that spitting is just something you don't do, especially in the face of somebody. It's just the biggest sign of disrespect that you could possibly do. And after hearing what Jalen said and watching what Jamar Chase did, and Jamar has to deny until he does. Sure. Has to. And he might even say, at the court date, he might act like that's how he speaks in this entire thing. But D-butt, there's multiple times we've seen it this season.

19:06Yeah. And it's also multiple times that we've heard everybody basically say, yeah, you got to do what you got to do if somebody's going to spit in your face. It feels like that's just kind of the reaction we all expect if you get spit on. Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. We all saw it with the Jalen Carter one early in the season. And before that, Dak had spit on the ground, which shows you how, you know, just disrespectful the act is. Now, when it actually touches you, whatever the response is, it's kind of warranted. I think we all agree on that. But that's the most disrespectful thing you can do.

19:32This is something that, as a player, I don't think I've ever been involved in a game where it actually happened. That's how rare it is. And now we have, like, this research. We had it here. We had it in college, I think, that same week when Jalen Carter did it. So just something you can't do. And obviously, you know, Jalen Ramsey, you want to be out there for your team. You don't want to – you know, he's a vet. He's been an all-pro. He's a Super Bowl champ. He wants to be out there. How would his team look at him if he didn't do that? Yeah, I mean, you got to – I mean, it's tough. You put in a tough spot to react that way.

20:00So Jamar Chase, the precedent has kind of been set with Jalen Carter being suspended. I hate calling for guys to be suspended. But if you do it to that guy, you kind of have to set the standard because you can't just have guys spitting on people. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit with Darren Payne last week. I'm assuming his game check number is massive. Now, it is the first year of a massive deal, I believe, or a second year. So maybe the guarantees are a little less. But when the one-game suspension does get dropped, because that is going to happen, people need to remember, like, hey, this also comes with a huge number, I think, depending on whatever the guarantees were at signing.

20:33I ain't spilling nobody. So you're going to have to watch the tape. We did. We did. Pretty clearly. I don't see it. Well, here, they zoomed in, and there's an alternate angle. Oh, that's me talking right there. That's me. Everybody knows me. That's how I talk. Talking about Hawk Tua. That's how I talk. Jalen Ramsey, though, becoming tone setter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If he was to get spit on and didn't respond, tough day in the office today going into the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. So, I mean, that is a, you know, that's a. Suck a girl. Six, seven. There was a lot of Steelers fans that were upset at the time because it was a crucial point in the game.

21:12They were going to get off the field. Obviously, they get a first down, and then as soon as the video came out of them, spitting on them, they're like, oh, that's fine. You should have actually. We should have seen one of those, actually. Can't be just spitting on people. So there's a suspension coming, we all assume. We'll ask you after here in a matter of moments. Let's go to the second headline coming out. Oh, no. What? Oh, wow. Look at this. You need to see. There's a question mark here. Okay. Big one. The Chiefs is not the Chiefs? Question mark. Put the question mark in there because we would like an out, okay, if down the road here in the next few weeks the Kansas City Chiefs figure out how it would be a great football team that we know the Kansas City Chiefs can be.