PMS 2.0 1453 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 11 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza, Puka Nacua, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

21:38Yeah, the Lions were 0-13, I think. Yeah, and the Browns. I think we were 0-13 at one point. The Colts as well, I remember those days. You came after those days. You don't even know, brother. You don't even know. Browns, still a chance, Browns. Yeah, still a chance for sure for the Browns. That one seems going to get dark soon too. you know it's potentially gonna get out of there soon but the bears long road good luck to them and currently duck kings are to north so let's celebrate the fact that you can be asked for a long time and then beat the kings very soon i guess chicago's showing that now let's go to the number four headline shall we oh did you see it wow did you see it there's been a josh alien an Allen sighting.

22:23This dude is not from here. This man looks like a big country bumpkin, doesn't he? He's got huge hands. Bigger than the average Joe. Bigger than the bigger Joe. He's got more athleticism than the average. More athleticism than the athletic Joe. This man's taller than the average. This man's taller than the taller. This dude's got a better arm than the average. This dude's got a better arm than a super arm having Joe. This guy's special. Montana? This guy's MVP. Uh-huh. This guy's historic. This guy's legendary. And he's doing things that only he has done in the past. Anytime they're saying, hey, this is like the second time in history, finger roll to Deion Dawkins' good celebration.

23:05Team chemistry seemingly very high. But whenever you're the MVP, everybody thinks like, okay, how are you going to top that? How are you going to top that? Had hard knocks. How are you going to showcase that? Big celebrity wedding. This guy's super celebrity now. He's more just a football player, remember? That's right. He's reading lines. You know, he's doing other stuff. I'm not just a football player, I guess. I'm a little bit more than that. Let's go ahead and pull that. Let's run that. This guy's not focused. Yeah, right. Him and Otto Graham are the only ones in the history of the game to go for three touchdowns on the ground, three touchdowns in the sky.

23:35In the same game, he's done it twice. Otto's only done it once. Now, at the beginning of this game, it felt like the Bucs defense had him. And at the beginning of the New England Patriots game, it felt like the Bucs defense had Drake. I'm starting to look in. I don't have a stat that, hashtag stat that. But I'm starting to wonder, The Tampa Bay Buccaneers throw everything they have at a quarterback in like the first quarter, and then it's kind of sink or swim, and the good quarterbacks are able to figure it out, and the bad quarterbacks are going to end up dying. Let's keep an eye and a nose to the grindstone on that particular story about the Bucs' defense, which certainly did their thing early.

24:02But whatever you think about what Josh Allen was able to accomplish for the rest of the game and what Josh Allen was able to do, this guy's special talent. And think back to it. We talked about the Bears being asked for the last 10 years. Josh Allen was kind of asked the first couple years of his NFL career. Guy couldn't throw a damn thing. We're talking about J.J. McCarthy throwing balls into the first row, second row, fourth row I saw one of them, J.J. Oh, yeah. Josh Allen was the same. I mean, Josh Allen had no idea where the ball was going. Could throw it a long way. Could throw it very fast if he wanted to.

24:30Had really no clue where it was going. They bring in Stephon Diggs. He works his ass off in the offseason. He gets better and better and better, but never loses his humility or his edge. Gains a football IQ, I think, through all of the different reps, and he's still untackleable. D-butt, this guy's an alien? He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. Isn't he a little bit too relatable maybe when he talks? He's kind of funny. He's charming. He's about personality. Teammates love him. He does, you know D? No. He does D's nuts, Joe. Yeah, he does. He does all these things that make it appear as if he's, oh, we'll be a rancher.

25:05We'll go get a couple hundred acres or a thousand acres or whatever. They'll never expect it. This guy could be an alien just dancing in disguise of a big country bumpkin idiot who just happens to be outrageously good at football and leadership, it seems. Yeah, you're never out of it when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen, reigning MVP for a reason. And, look, you can look at his supporting cast. A lot of people have been saying it for years. You don't have the good enough pieces, talented enough pieces around him. But I like the stable running backs they have with Cook and Ty Johnson when he does in the pass game.

25:34Shavers, he kind of broke out this game, had a big-time game. This game was an unbelievable back and forth with Baker and Josh, but he just took it by the horns. and three touchdown passes, three touchdown rushes. You would think like a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or one of these quarterbacks has done it. Whenever you've done some shit in the NFL that hasn't been done since the 1950s, that's very, very impressive. And take care of, you know, he threw two interceptions twice. Yeah, last year against the Rams as well and doing it again here. And just putting the team on his back. That's what they needed.

26:02That's what he needed. So big-time play, big-time win, big-time game from Josh Allen. Josh Alien once again. Yeah, this guy's otherworldly. Can they win a Super Bowl? That's what everybody asks. I don't know. There's some stats and attributes that a team needs to be able to win a Super Bowl, especially what we're looking into. Do the Buffalo Beals have that right now? I don't know about all of them, but I do know the quarterback piece up there in the AFC. That last piece, those last few plays, those design run plays that Joe Brady called more of, so tough on the defense because you pick up an extra blocker and it really becomes 11-on-11 down here.

26:36You're first in goal down here. You're just going a quarterback sweep to the right. That's tough for a defense because you still have to account and go with James Cook and do all this other shit. And you got 17 who's just as good as any top paid running back in the league when it's in the open field. So that's an unbelievable weapon for them down in that red area. Yeah, and I like how excited he is. Very rich. Married, celebrity. Being able to figure it all out. Already accomplished. Hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. Obviously, everybody will talk about that. But still visibly emotional and passionate about the game is what I love.

27:09That was the same about Stephon Diggs last week whenever he jumped up and did the offside kick. I'm like, hey, that's a decision. That is a decision that was made by a guy in a moment, and there's obviously business decisions that have happened over the time. Josh Allen's still fully invested in being a guy, and it's obvious. The AFC East is starting to get packed. Two of the top three odds-on favorites for the MVP come out of the AFC East, Con, man. Yeah, Josh Allen is always going to have the Bills in it. He really is one of those guys where no matter who your quarterback is, Josh Allen is still kind of the prototype.

27:37He is filthy. I mean, you really don't see, to Darius' point, a lot of guys that quarterback running QB power with never a question if they're going to get in the end zone or not. When he runs that power, it is kind of just, okay, that's a layup. If there are, you know, seven guys in there and he needs to make one miss or he needs to carry one into the end zone, it's amazing. I think I even can say this with Bill's fans agreeing with me. Them not being able to stop the run will bite them in the ass. It is inevitable. You're talking about, you know, New England, sure, but look at the Colts. The Colts had the MVP, you know, Jonathan Taylor.

28:10Could you imagine what Jonathan Taylor would do to a Bills defense who just let Sean Tucker, a third-string running back, run for 110 yards? I imagine. I'm hoping it. I'm hoping it. But on the flip side, we got to see that alien dancing, which is basically the entire story of the games, I guess. And you're right. I think Buffalo Bills fans would say the same thing as UConn, man. I think they would say we don't have the pieces on the D-line to be able to figure this out. Can they scheme that, D-Butt? Can you scheme your way into being a better tackling defense? No. No, no. You got to have the personnel.

28:38And they're bagged out. I mean, scheme helps, coaching helps, but you need the personnel out there, especially when it gets to real nut-cutting time down late in the season. All right, let's go to the number three headline coming out of the weekend in our eyes. Spitgate. Ugh. A study on saliva sullying this sport. What's the word sully mean? You say, hey, what do you mean by sullying something? Well, sully means to damage the purity or integrity of or to defile. Okay. Seems like Solly was actually the perfect word to describe this particular spit gate. Now, let's go to the game in question. Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers.

29:13Long rivalry. Huge. There's been famous fights in the past in this particular series that have caused playoff games to go a different direction. You're talking about AFC North Heat. You're talking about the toughness of Cincinnati. And the toughness of Pittsburgh. Two newer guys, two said rivalry. Jamar Chase obviously been there for a couple years with Cincinnati Bengals. Jalen Ramsey just got traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's playing safety now full-time. And it feels like that's probably the position that he should have been playing for a long time. They'll be able to do a lot with him.

29:42The one thing that'll be constant with Jalen Ramsey, though, he's always going to be up in your shit. And Jamar Chase didn't love that. I guess there was constant bickering. And then it came to an head right here. And when you see... Whoa! Jalen Ramsey said, I don't think so. He says to the ref, did you see that? Did you see that? And Austin Briskey says, you know what, I don't think you guys saw it. Let's go ahead and zoom this in a little bit more. Oh, wow. Now, Jamar Chase was asked about this after the game in the locker room, and this is how it went down. So, Justin, you did not spit on him at all.

30:17That's what he's saying. I didn't spit on nobody. Okay, so then that leads to the question. Is there a chance that Jamar Chase speaks like Sergeant Slaughter? Is there a chance that he had no idea that he hopped a massive loogie onto Jalen Ramsey? And he happened to do it low, too, so he'd hit some skin. You see, this is starting to become a thing. You got the visor here. You got the thing. I'm going to make sure I get in there. Maybe Jamar Chase is just a speedy talker and an active speaker. And that loogie that clearly came out of his mouth onto Jalen Ramsey was just a part of him. You poof.

30:49Maybe he caught him a— I can't have it. Maybe he caught him a— I even know that, but he's hit your mouth. Piece of poop. Yeah, maybe a piece of poop or whatever the case is. And if he's able to breathe and run with that much saliva in his mouth naturally, that's a feat in of itself. And they should do a sports science, rest in peace, on everything he's doing. Jalen Ramsey said, yeah, he's lying. He spit on me, so it's up. I don't give a fuck about football after that. Respectfully. Respectfully, of course. He spit on me, so it's up. So football's kind of behind it there. So let's just chit-chat about this a little bit.

31:25There does seemingly become a line in things that are allowed and not allowed. Happens in combat sports. You'll see like something said, something's done, where they're like, you went too far, you went too far. Feels like everybody in competitive sports agrees that spitting is just something you don't do, especially in the face of somebody. It's just the biggest sign of disrespect that you could possibly do. And after hearing what Jalen said and watching what Jamar Chase did, and Jamar has to deny until he does. Sure. Has to. And he might even say, at the court date, he might act like that's how he speaks in this entire thing.

31:57But D-but, there's multiple times we've seen it this season. Yeah. And it's also multiple times that we've heard everybody basically say, yeah, you got to do what you got to do if somebody's going to spit in your face. It feels like that's just kind of the reaction we all expect if you get spit on. Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. We all saw it with the Jalen Carter one early in the season. And before that, Dak had spit on the ground, which shows you how, you know, just disrespectful the act is. Now, when it actually touches you, whatever the response is, it's kind of warranted. I think we all agree on that.

32:24But that's the most disrespectful thing you can do. This is something that, as a player, I don't think I've ever been involved in a game where it actually happened. That's how rare it is. And now we have this research. We had it here. We had it in college, I think, that same week when Jalen Carter did it. So just something you can't do. And obviously, Jalen Ramsey, you want to be out there for your team. You don't want to – he's a vet. He's been an all-pro. He's a Super Bowl champ. He wants to be out there. How would his team look at him if he didn't do that? Yeah, I mean, you got to – I mean, it's tough.

32:53You put in a tough spot to react that way. So Jamar Chase, the precedent has kind of been set with Jalen Carter being suspended. I hate calling for guys to be suspended, but if you do it to that guy, you kind of have to set the standard because you can't just have guys spitting on people. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit with Darren Payne last week. I'm assuming his game check number is massive. Now, it is the first year of a massive deal, I believe, or a second year. So maybe the guarantees are a little less. But when the one-game suspension does get dropped because that is going to happen, and people need to remember, like, hey, this also comes with a huge number, I think, depending on whatever the guarantees were at signing.

33:28I ain't spelling nobody. So you're going to have to watch the tape. We did. We can see it. Pretty clearly. I don't see it. Well, here, they zoomed in, and there's an alternate angle. Oh, that's me talking right there. That's me. Everybody knows me. That's how I talk. Talking about Hawk Tula. That's how I talk. Jalen Ramsey, though, becoming tone setter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If he was to get spit on and didn't respond, tough day in the office today. going into the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. So, I mean, that is a, you know, that's a... 6 '7". There was a lot of Steelers fans that were upset at the time because it was a crucial point in the game.

34:06They were going to get off the field. Obviously, they get a first down, and then as soon as the video came out of them, spitting on them, they're like, oh, that's fine. You should have actually. You should have seen one of those, actually. You can't be just spitting on people. So there's a suspension coming, we all assume. We'll ask you after here in a matter of moments. Let's go to the second headline coming out. Oh, no. What? Oh, wow. Look at this. You need to see. There's a question mark here. Okay? Big one. The Chiefs is not the Chiefs. Question mark. Put the question mark in there because we would like an out.

34:35Okay? If down the road here in the next few weeks, the Kansas City Chiefs figure out how it'd be a great football team that we know the Kansas City Chiefs can be. It's possible. Okay? And if somebody's going to quote this and put it out there, we would like the full context that that question mark is larger than all the other letters that are on the graphic. There is a chance that this Chiefs figures it out. There's a chance that Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes still, which we all agree that he is. None of us are saying it's Patrick Mahomes' fault, but this Chiefs team just doesn't look like the Chiefs team.

35:02Now, is that because of who they were playing against and the greatness of the team that is potentially about to become the team of the AFC West? Is the Denver Broncos' defense exactly what everybody said it was going to be going into the season? Is Bo Nix everything that Sean Payton said he was going to be once he got drafted there? Is the offense in clutch time able to make any play that anybody in the NFL is able to make? Yes. And is their kicker going to guarantee a make whenever push comes to shove? Yeah. So they got all the pieces. They got big play Bo Nix making all the plays whenever they need it.

35:33He seemingly never rattled. He can run and make everything. They got weapons outside. They got pieces everywhere. And then their kicker is going to make the kick. I think now he's like 15 or 17 or something like that. or maybe 16 of 18 under Sean Payton whenever it comes to the final 10 seconds of a game for having to make a kick to tie or to win. Will Lutz was with Sean Payton in New Orleans. He's with him now in Denver. And it's like Patrick Mahomes, we all agree, goat conversation, goat talk. Chiefs in the middle of a dynasty, we all agree that that's happened. Or is the dynasty over? D-Bot, they put a stat up on Sunday Night Football.

36:11Shout out to this particular stat. Had one-score games last season, 12-0. This season, 0-5. And then I saw a bunch of people tweeting me whenever I said, what the hell is going on? We had a bunch of statisticians coming. This is regression to the mean? This is a regression to the mean. That's what this is. I saw a bunch of people acting like, you doofus. Obviously, after what happened last week, there's a lot of super intellectuals attacking me for everything. This is regression to the mean. That's what this is, you idiot. Everybody's saying this is natural. We've seen it with teams in the past who had the football gods blessing them heavily one way.

36:43one season, then the next year completely turning against them. But it felt like the football gods have been blessing the Chiefs just for like 10 years almost. So them just completely flipping it right now and losing all these close games. D, but is this the thing? Is the story of the one-score games? They can't get it done at the end where they usually would be able to? Or is it a full-game type thing where they're just not the team we thought they were? And I have a question mark next to me saying the Chiefs is not the Chiefs. Do you? Yeah, I don't like going against the program, but I don't have a question mark.

37:14I'm going to put it. Whoa! Exclamation point. So no. Wow. But yeah, let me, yeah, let me. Yeah, because I just worked hard on this for the last 27 seconds. Put it next to the team. Yeah, you can put it up on there. Yeah, get it up on there. Put it up on there if you want. There it is. Boom. Oh, my gosh. Boom. Exclamation. The Chiefs aren't the Chiefs. They ain't. I mean, look, they just played the Broncos. We've seen in this Patrick Mahomes era. They never lose to AFC West opponents. They always dominate AFC West opponents, especially, what's today? November 17th. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they don't lose in November.

37:47This is when they get hot. This is when they start rolling. Now we're 5-5 right here sitting at 500 in week 12. Like this isn't the Chiefs. This ain't the team. Patrick Mahomes, they're not getting it done. There were spots where they could have hit some big-time plays. They even got bailed out with a pick six and got called back from Barron on a bullshit penalty. But the Broncos made the plays. They made the plays kind of all year alone and definitely late in the game When you expect it, hey, it's 13th, it's a close game. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they're going to find a way to win this type of game.

38:16McMillan played an unbelievable game, had a sack, had a pick. This defense is absolutely – yeah, this defense is dominant. They've been dominant all year long. Bo Nix, this offense still got to figure it out. I think they will, but no, I'm out on the Chiefs for this year. Look, we've had dynasties that have taken some years off from dominating. For this year, I don't think we'll see the Chiefs make it a run. When those people talk about regression to the mean with the Chiefs being 12-0 in one score games last year, 0-5 this year, Yes, that is a thing for normal teams. Like the Vikings, the one year, went 10-0 or whatever, one-score games, and then went completely defeated the next year.

38:47The Commanders last year, I believe, were undefeated in one-score games and definitely aren't this year. Rookie quarterback. But that's not the Chiefs. When you are good teams like this, and even the Eagles this year, that's just what you do. You win really close games. So for them saying regression, no, this is completely something that is not normal for them. Yeah, and you talk about the Denver team being really good. So maybe it's not just the Chiefs, but maybe it's just the Denver team. Here's a Hembo stat about them out sacking their opponent. This is the sack differential for them and obviously against them for Bo Nix.

39:17They're plus 22 right now. Sorry, plus 36, which is 22 better than the next person. 49 sacks, 13 sacks allowed. Bo Nix doesn't get sacked, and they sack the quarterback. And it's coming in bunches from everywhere. So I'm not saying that the Chiefs is not the Chiefs, okay, like my friend D-Butt here. I'll be on the front up alone. It's going to be a tough road if they is still the Chiefs right now. Yeah, and it was impressive watching Bo Nix do this. This was his best game, I feel like, by far. He really didn't turn the ball over, and it was in the biggest game. I feel much better about Bo Nix today than we did last Friday after that Raiders game, but they just pulled up the kind of wild card situation the Chiefs are looking at now.

39:56The Jags have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. The Bills have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. So I'm also with you. There's still definitely a question mark. And you could say, like, well, I could easily see the Chiefs finishing 12-5 and kind of rolling through the rest of the schedule. And then you realize they play the Colts next week off a bye. And it's like, you know, it's tough. Number one storyline, off a bye. Wait. Colts win. What? Boom. I learned it yesterday. I was watching. You play. All right. It's not the actual real one. Okay. Okay, fair. Please put up the real one. Thank you. The NFL's final played it.

40:37Now, I would like to say the Colts winning the Super Bowl still could be a one. Yeah, good. After what I watched yesterday, nobody's stopping us. Okay. There's a couple of really good defenses out there, which we'll certainly dive into in a moment. But Danny Dimes got figured out Jonathan Taylor would do his thing. But on that note, the NFL, remember, just a couple weeks ago, had its biggest ass shite day it's had in like 55 years. Yesterday, we're tying records on how great of a game it was or games they were. Five teams won on the final play. That ties the record for the most on a single day in NFL history.

41:04Seven teams came back to win in the fourth quarter to win. That's the most since 2022. That ties for the most in NFL history. So whenever you think about hanging around and does this game over, is it still something we want to pay attention to? Yes. And then the final play from the opening whistle to the final kick, this thing is going to be intriguing. That's exactly what the NFL wants. That's why the numbers are all up and to the right for the NFL. Texans, Matthew Wright. I'm sorry, here's Carolina Panthers. Ryan Fitzgerald hits a game winner against the Falcons. Now, this is obviously a rookie coming out of Florida State.

41:40Hits a big-time win. Carolina Panthers' Bryce Young breaks all-time record, throwing for 448 yards. Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers might have figured it out. There's another game winner here that happened. Foxy will pick the order here that we will go in. Boom! Houston Texans, Matthew Wright, hits a game winner over the Tennessee Titans down in Nashville. Now, the Cam Ward-led Tennessee Titans season is not great. They've already fired a coach. It's kind of ass down there, but they're in this one until Matthew Wright hits a game winner. Will Lutz obviously just hit for Denver. Cairo Santos for Chicago against Minnesota, where it feels as if it's hooking, and then the football gods blow it back in there.

42:22And then Riley Patterson hits a game winner for the Miami Dolphins in Spain. So five game winners to wrap up games. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is an absolute stud when it comes to knowing things that everybody else doesn't. Senior NFL insider for ESPN, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Yay! Schefter, thank you for joining us. I know you caught the tail end of our first 15 there. Let's talk about it. The Chiefs is not the Chiefs. That is what D-Bud is saying. Is that what you're hearing from around the league? Nobody's scared of the Chiefs anymore? People don't think the Chiefs are the big, bad wolf coming to town?

43:00Speaking of big, bad wolf, that guy's sitting in a jail right now watching this Chiefs team lose. One-score games. Is the Chiefs not the Chiefs anymore, Shefty? Pat, they've won nine straight division titles. And barring something unforeseen, they're not going to make it ten. They're just not going to be able to do that. at 5-5, with Denver sitting there right now as the number one seed in the AFC at 9-2. They're four games behind the Broncos, already having lost to them. They're behind the Chargers, having lost to them. And so they're in a situation where, look, you take a look right there. I mean, I don't know how they're going to win that division.

43:41Like, the goal right now for Kansas City is to make the playoffs, get back in the playoff picture, and then see if you go in three games on the road. Yeah, we'll see what the Chiefs are able to do. Obviously, with Patrick Mahomes, it's hard to rule them out of anything, especially with Andy Reid and everybody else they have. Let's move along here to other storylines. Injuries obviously becoming part of the stories quickly for a lot of teams. Lane Johnson, obviously a staple, a pillar of that Philadelphia Eagles offensive line. Liz Frank, injury is what I read on the internet, four to six weeks.

44:09What are we hearing about Lane and what's likely future for him and the Eagles, Shefty? Yeah, I think it's going to be challenging for him to return in the regular season. I think that the idea now will be to get him ready for the postseason, maybe the end of the regular season, but it is a four - to six-week injury. Suffered it last night. He's been playing through so much this year, and it seems like every week he put it on, he's fighting through. He's getting back out there. He has to leave. And this is a guy who is one of the standouts in the entire NFL, one of the best offensive tackles, but he's got Ellis Frank.

44:40The test showed that this morning, and now he's going to be out for an extended period. But it's not season-ending. That's the good part for Philadelphia. That is great news, especially as fans of Lane Johnson. Godspeed on recovery there. Liz Frank, very annoying injury. Let's talk about people we are fans of as well. Aaron Rodgers, left wrist. Obviously, we saw him after the game whenever he was wearing a hoodie, had a little bit of a brace on. He was dapping everybody up. I believe early reports are that he was trying to get back into the game and that he wants to play against the Bears, you know, because he does, I think he believes potentially he's their landlord, you know, because of what he was able to do with the Packers for the Chicago Bears.

45:15feels like a very emotional game for Aaron to play. What are we hearing as of this moment with the wrist injury for Aaron Rodgers? Yeah, I'm sure he's going to want to play against the Bears, but again, he's got a slight break in that left wrist. Now, he's having more tests today, and he probably has had them by now to determine whether or not they will have to do surgery, whether they'd have to put a screw or a plate in there to figure out exactly how to treat it. I think the team does not believe that it is any kind of long-term injury. So the question now is, does he miss time? And if he does, then Mason Rudolph would obviously start against the Chicago Bears this week.

45:52I think that's certainly well within the realm of possibility. But they don't think it's a long-term injury. But today, the test should show more and exactly how they want to proceed with him. Okay, so Aaron Rodgers, we know, will want to play. He views himself as an old-school player, views himself as an old-school guy. You know, if I only played when I was 100%, I wouldn't play any games. Look up the amount of games that he played. Obviously, everybody remembers the Jets injury taking place. But if you look at how he views himself as the Ironman old school football, if he can play, he's going to play.

46:22That is kind of the way it's gone with Aaron Rodgers. We'll see if the Pittsburgh Steelers rule him out. Josh Jacobs now. Let's go to the Green Bay Packers knee injury. What are we hearing for Josh Jacobs? Obviously, massive piece of this Green Bay Packers offense since arrival from the Raiders. They did test today. It was structurally sound, so that's encouraging. They're going to consider him week to week. I think it'll be challenging to have him play this week against the Vikings. But, again, they're not ready to rule him out just yet. But this is a tough guy, and he's usually out there. We'll see if he's going to be able to make it back this week.

46:57I think I'd be a little bit surprised. Emmanuel Wilson's played well, long season ahead. But he'll have a chance. They're not ready to rule him out just yet. We'll see how the week evolves. The good news for the Packers is not long-term, no surgery needed, and we'll see how soon he can make it back. Shout out Rob Domovsky on the coverage there. Let's go down to Atlanta now. Penix seemingly out for the years, what's being chatted about. Drake London also injured. Let's start with Penix, then go to Drake London. Is it Kirk Cousins' time in Atlanta for the rest of the way here? I do not expect Michael Penix to play again this season.

47:29He suffered a knee injury here against Carolina yesterday. He's going through tests. They did find damage with his ACL. Well, he has obviously had, this will be if and when he doesn't come back this season, which I would expect to be the case. This would be the fifth of eight seasons in college in the NFL that he has been unable to finish a season due to a knee injury. And obviously the Atlanta Falcons have a lot invested in Michael Penix, limped off the field yesterday. The tests were not encouraging. It's not going to be good. I do not expect him to play again this season. And that means it's time for Kirk Cousins to step in and this is why the Falcons have paid him.

48:08It's up to Cousins to try to save their season. And we'll see what he can do as the quarterback. But again, Michael Penick's not expected to be back again this season. How about Drake London as we stay in the Atlanta Falcons injury report? Week to week, I wouldn't expect him to play this week. They don't think it's serious. They don't think he's going to need surgery or anything like that. It sounds like it's a similar injury to the one that Brock Bowers had where you need some rest sometimes before it's well. But at the very least, he'll miss this weekend. And look, now you're starting to get into an area with the Falcons.

48:40Like, they're not winning. If you're not winning and you're out of it, are you going to rush your guys back? And what's the sense in bringing back? No, they're going to want him back, and they're going to keep fighting. But, yeah, I would think that he'll miss a little bit of time here. Okay, the Falcons quarterback room was certainly talked about this offseason, a hundred and some million. And then let's also use number eight overall pick. Are you going to trade Kirk? Are you not going to trade Kirk now? They're both playing. Kirk will be playing, and they're both out of it, basically, seemingly whenever it comes to the playoffs.

49:07Let's go to another quarterback room that was certainly chatted about this offseason. Dylan Gabriel, who has been the starter for the Cleveland Browns for the last few weeks here, gets a concussion. Shador Sanders makes his debut with the Cleveland Browns. Obviously, it doesn't go great. Massive division game, Baltimore Ravens. Shador had a couple good throws, had a couple good moments, gets sacked, fumbles as well, throws a pick. Some other stuff takes place. Obviously, not the ideal position to be starting. but is there one of those when you're a backup quarterback? I saw obviously a lot of people learning about the way the NFL works and how backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week.

49:44Obviously, why would we be taking any reps away from the starter when the starter is trying to win the football game? There's only so many reps we can get done. Why would we waste any on the backup quarterback that'd be preparing for somebody to get injured is kind of the NFL's thoughts. Now, did they know Dylan Gabriel is going to get hurt at some point? Should they have got Shador more reps? Maybe. Shador came out, handled it like a professional. Obviously, everybody is stuck up for Shador Sanders in this entire process. What do you think happens going forward here? Dylan Gabriel's team, Shador Sanders has opportunity.

50:16What are your thoughts on how this all plays out? You mentioned that. The interesting part, which Kevin Stefanski acknowledged after the game yesterday, was that yesterday was the first time that Shador Sanders took a rep with the starting offense. never happened all during training camp, all during the preseason, obviously during practice and the regular season. Those were the first reps. So as we talked about on Get Up this morning, that's the first time that the starting offensive linemen are hearing Shador Sanders' cadence out on the field. They don't know what it's like. They haven't been through any reps with him.

50:49And so the reps that the Browns had at the quarterback position went to Joe Flacco. They went to Kenny Pickett. They went to Dylan Gabriel. And none of them went to Shador Sanders, who all of a sudden found himself playing the Baltimore Ravens yesterday in the second half having to step in and be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Now, Dylan Gabriel is in concussion protocol, and obviously most players who are there don't usually clear in a week. We're still waiting for C.J. Stroud to clear, and I think there's a real question as to whether he would go on Thursday night against Buffalo.

51:21I think there's a real possibility C.J. Stroud will miss his third straight game, and it'll be Davis Mills again on Thursday night. but Dylan Gabriel would have to pass in one week. And I would say the chances of that are not very likely, which would mean that Shadur would be in line to take over as the Browns starting quarterback Sunday against the Las Vegas Raiders. And it could be Shadur versus Geno Smith. And that would mean Stefanski would be shaping the entire week around Shadur Sanders, the starter, which they never do for a backup quarterback. So that is just kind of, I think in real time, what everybody needs to know, like the reality of situation, And on that note, good luck, Shador.

51:59Here we go. Good luck. I'm finally giving him a damn chance. I'll have you know, he had zero reps with the ones. Well, was he the number one quarterback? No. No, but okay. Go on. I don't have anything else. Okay. Okay. All right. Just make it short. Now, on that note, this week, let's go. Yeah. Hell yeah. And there's a couple moments in there. Confidence. Comfortable. Arm. Obviously, everything we've come to see and learn and love about Shador. Maybe Stefanski's able to make it work. Let's stay in the AOC North, shall we? Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Shefty, everyone's kind of said that, you know, the Bengals are kind of circling Thanksgiving night, potentially for Joe Burrow's return.

52:38But after yesterday, they get killed. And then we'll see what happens with Jamar Chase. It looks like there's a chance he might get suspended next week against a tough Patriots team. Is there any chance that they decide to just keep him on ice? Because even, you know, I mean, if they lose these next two weeks, you know, what's the point of playing him on Thanksgiving? Well, listen, I think that Thanksgiving always was going to be ambitious for him to get back by that night. I think the more realistic target date was the next week against the Buffalo Bills. But either way, the point is the same.

53:09They didn't win yesterday. They didn't beat Pittsburgh. Now Cincinnati plays again this week, and there's a real possibility that they'll be without Jamar Chase. If they don't win that game, then you go into Thanksgiving night on a two-game losing streak or however many games they've lost in a row here. and at some point at some point in time you have to say if we're not going to make the playoffs why does it make sense to bring back Joe Burrow now Joe Burrow is an athlete and he's going to want to play and he's worked really hard to get back but common sense, logic if they're not winning and they're out of the why are they bringing him back?

53:45Are they going to be in the playoffs next year at any point and then as soon as they get out of the playoffs you're not going to play Joe Burrow this is me a fan of Bengals, owner of Bengals saying this if because he's face of franchise he is program now granted can a bigger bigger injury take place and knock him out for sure but i think it's gonna be a tough pill to swallow you got a completely healthy joey burrow just standing on the sideline while people are paying for tickets and stuff over there in cincinnati i think that's i think that's gonna be a tough tough sell but hey bangles will do it yeah they certainly will do it bangles will do it and on that note joey b what we're saying is you're too tough for your own good is what the world is even considering in all of that now let's talk about being tough guess who's back back again brock is back tell a friend go ahead debuff parties all the way back had a great game yesterday him and christian mccaffrey did he get out of the game clean and obviously he's the guy going forward but uh what was the reports with 13 after the game he looked sharp he looked great and again he wasn't going to play until he had movement until they felt comfortable with him back there and he had enough movement and obviously looked really sharp yesterday.

54:51Arizona outgained San Francisco by over 200 yards in this game, and Jacoby Brissett threw an NFL record 47 completions, the record for a regular season game. But Brock Burdett came on, was hitting George Kittle, was hitting Christian McCaffrey, throwing for touchdowns, looking like he always did. He looked surgical out there, frankly, yesterday. And when he's playing at that level, they're a tough team to beat. And he played like that yesterday, throwing passes like that all day long. and again, they're in the playoffs today. The Detroit Lions are not in the playoffs today. And San Francisco is playing.

55:25San Francisco is without so many key players like Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and all these great players that they've lost. And yet, here they are battling and in a spot where they're competing for a playoff spot. And they lost Brock Purdy for an extended period of time as well and still were able to win. Mack Jones did a lot for his stock. Who knows what happens down the road. Congrats to Brock coming all the way back and playing like that. We are happy for him. We thought maybe there would be a chatter for a long time. Seemingly put to bed. You have about 30 seconds here, Shefty. What do we need to know about tonight, Dallas Cowboys, Las Vegas Raiders?

55:56Well, Quinton Williams makes his Cowboys debut tonight. DeMari and Overshawn comes back tonight for the Dallas Cowboys. That's two big defensive additions. But let's be honest, it's going to be an emotional night for the Dallas Cowboys. This is the first game that they're playing since they lost their teammate, Marshawn Nealon. They come off the bye. It's not going to be the same without him. He's going to be on everybody's minds. They're going to be wearing a helmet, decal. They'll be wearing T-shirts to honor and remember him. And I would think that the Dallas Cowboys will play in an emotionally inspired game this evening.

56:25Yeah, I think so too. And anytime that happens, obviously perspective gets put into place as well quickly. Hopefully they're able to find some positive out of it all. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. That was a great hit by Schefter. Yeah. I think that was a really good hit by him. Oh, you nailed it. Dare I say he's – no. Is that his best there? No. A lot of info. A lot of info. A lot of intro. From 30 for 30 podcasts.

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58:55No, not at all. Hey, yeah, that's on you. Sorry about it. So all merch became was just a bunch of emails telling me I'm the worst human of all time and I'm stealing their money. So enough with this. If people end up at store.patmagvishow.com, they end up there. That is what it's going to be. We have stuff. We appreciate it. Shop 412 boys are like, we want to take care of this. Let us help you out. So they pitch this jacket. Got us puffer jackets this weekend. Ooh, love puffer jackets. Might need that. Hi. I don't think any of it's available. so I should not be wearing it, but it is all potential.

59:25Okay, sure. So I like this one because it's small, but it's not, you know. It's good. It's not squeezing you. Exactly. Which I'd get right now. This is a large. Well, we're getting into the character months. We're getting into personality months. No doubt. You know, it gets a little colder. Maybe it has a little different food. Got to turn these jokes up. What's that? Personality months. You know, you got to make sure it's going on. Oh, you're saying something's got to be good? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Starting to get a lot of personality. Yeah, bingo, yeah. And I'm losing it to you. Yeah, you can't have both.

59:54Joining us now is a man who's the exact same weight now that he was when he was 21 years old. Brick. His frame has found that this is the right weight for him forever. So he's going to eat the exact same amount of rice particles, the exact same of dry, no flavor, bland ass chicken every single day. And there's no changing. No. And he's going to live forever. Yeah. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawker. Yeah, Hawker. Hawker, most consistent human that I know. How are you doing, buddy? Yeah, I don't know if that's true or not.

1:00:32I'm not Dano. I know Dano. He definitely eats very, very clean. I actually eat real food and still enjoy it. You always say that, but I don't think you do. What AJ's trying to say is, I'm okay hanging around people that eat real food. You know, because some of the weirdos who are super healthy, like really judge and shame and cast you know a lot of negative vibes whenever you're eating delicious food around them and they don't eat it you're a person that doesn't do that yeah yeah we'll order from a place what are you guys getting all burger okay pizza sweet hey do you have the chicken that tastes like ass and that's your deal that's that's why we're so impressed because you don't want to bring down the party but you do your thing we are getting into personality season which is also toyota thon time even though we're presented by ram trucks we understand toyota thon is about a month in football that really matters.

1:01:18And there was five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate that we talked about. Number five was the Bears are the Kings of the North. Number four was Josh Alien is back. I don't know if you saw Josh Alien. Did you see him? Yes, yes. That was very fun to watch, for sure. Yeah, he's outrageous, especially when he turns out. I think the last time he did this, it was in the snow, so maybe he's a little bit more of a Buffalo football game. Now he runs for three, throws for three, and him and Otto Graham are the only ones in history that have done it. Euro step, finger roll, Deion Dawkins takes it home.

1:01:45I mean, they got sick celebrations that are with their teammates as well. Josh is special. He's an alien. Number three headline was Spitgate. Okay. An investigation into the sullying of the sport of saliva, something along those lines. Sully is to defile or disrespect. Feels like everybody in the sports community thinks this is too far and he can't do it, AJ. Yeah, spitting is definitely, it's like a, I don't know. It's definitely a thing in sports. I think you learn at a very, very young age, like, hey, don't let anyone spit on you, and you sure as hell don't spit on anyone else. I just think that's kind of like a – am I naive to think that's a thing you learn when you're young?

1:02:21No, we all had the exact same thoughts over here. You had your thoughts over there. We got people from Boston here, Iowa, north-left Canada, south-right America, in South Florida, Pittsburgh. We all agree the same thing. And I saw people even in New York talking about wearing suits, talking about it, saying that you just can't do it. So I think it's just kind of like an understood thing. It's been happening a little bit this season. D-Bot said we got a little bit of an epidemic happening right now. I wonder what that could be from. Yeah, I don't know about AJ, but I have been around too many instances, especially on a football field where people have actually spit on another guy's face.

1:02:55If it has happened, it's one time it happened in college with a guy who's still on the network, on this network. We had some battles, and he spit on a teammate of mine. We had some issues. But outside of that, it rarely happens. And so now this year I can remember three instances now where it's happened. So it's kind of a resurgence almost. We don't like it. Don't love it at all. We don't like it. It would have been sweet if the ref, like an NHL ref, would have came in, saw him spit on him. Oh, wait, back up, boys. Do your thing. Let him go. Let the boys go. Let the boys go. All right, you, spitter, ejected.

1:03:26You, 15-yard penalty. Go ahead and take your seat. It's been interesting because as soon as Jalen throws a right, ref has to eject him. Okay, like that's kind of the rules. but as soon as the spit happens it should be the exact same as what everybody that's ever played the sport says so who knows if the ref saw it or not but it would have been epic if the ref would have said all right let me gather some information here real quick what happened you know like a cop on a scene in the crime spit on me right here you see this spit on me right here oh i do see that looks like a loogie did you spit on this man i didn't spit what's that spit on get the out of here had to be evidence had to be that was a big loogie now maybe he was just talking though and he's a spitter like Sergeant Slaughter.

1:04:05We all know every once in a while, I'll even get something that'll come flying out. I feel terrible to whoever I'm talking to. I'm like, oh, you just ate something right there, right in your forehead. Oh my God, that's 100 % on me. There's a chance that that is Jamar Chase's defense. Like, hey, I was just talking to him and I was saying the word pee pretty strong so it looked like I was biting my lips. But boy, that's a lot of spit that ends up going to Jalen Ramsey right there, H. Yeah, it sure is. I would imagine Jamar, I know Jamar said he didn't do it. That has to be, right? Hey, I didn't even realize it.

1:04:32There was a healer moment. i had no clue it even happened here's what jamar chase said so just like here you did not spit on your own that's what you're saying i just spit on nobody all right okay okay there you go all right everything's being uh close filmed and i appreciate you deny till you die for jamar chase they said you know probable game suspension but uh we would like to let everybody know this can't just become a thing like this is not good we can't just be starting fights in the middle of everything whenever sports in between the lines and in between the whistles is supposed to be something special You can turn anything into a fight If you just want to go spit on somebody's face Congratulations You think this is COVID's fault?

1:05:10You just couldn't spit in general during COVID And everyone just Itching to spit That was interesting What did your dippers do? You guys had to swallow Yeah I mean Some dippers like gutting it just in general So that really wasn't that big of a change But yeah You're kind of forced to Exactly. The government kind of forced you guys to swallow your chew. Exactly. I mean, there's a potential conversation about that. But, yeah, I mean, that is basically what it is, right? We all agree. You spit on somebody's face, it's a guaranteed fight. Yes. The ref should have did a little more investigating there because they were standing there talking for 10, 15 seconds.

1:05:52There was quite the kerfuffle after the spit. Like, both, like, 12 guys from each team got involved. if there was a lot of jersey grabbing, so I assume the evidence got wiped away. That's just kind of what I was... Well, it's probably hanging on somebody's glove. Yeah, just dangling off their arm. The number two headline was, the Chiefs is not the Chiefs? Question mark is what I said. Exclamation point is what D-Butt said. Anything for that, AJ? Yeah, I saw D-Butt with the exclamation mark. I mean, I can't be that confident to say they are not the Chiefs anymore because I just started thinking, what if they start to go on a run?

1:06:23They win three, four, five games in a row, and then what's everybody going to say? It's not a team you want to see in the playoffs. Don't let them get in. If they get in, they're going to make a run. I could see that still possibly happening. Yeah, there's a chance there are the Chiefs, right? That's basically what we're saying. Nine straight division titles. Is that what Schefter said? So it's hard to just imagine a world where it doesn't happen for the Chiefs. But, boy, every time we watch them on film, we think to ourselves, that ain't the team. I'll die alone in my island. I don't like that negative island that you're on.

1:06:53I'm fine with that. Yeah, I'm not visiting that island. Come on. Uh-uh. Good personality. It's good either. Good personality. Thanks. It's turning up. Population one. Yeah, okay. Well, I don't know if you're the only one. There's a lot of people loud on the internet calling these Chiefs frauds. You know? And I don't think they ever came out and said they're the Super Bowl champions. We all have just said exactly what the truth is. They're in the middle of a dynasty. That's what they are doing. They've proven it. They've already accomplished it. If it was to end right now, they would say that was a dynasty.

1:07:22Now, is that what's happening right now? You're not saying forever. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I'm saying this season, I don't see the Chiefs making a run and being the Chiefs that we've seen. Super Bowl odds. Sportsbook said we're not falling for that shit. Plus 800 still for Super Bowl odds. That's the third best odds in the entire NFL behind the Eagles and the Rams, which actually goes to the number one headline, the NFL's final play day. There was five games that ended on a final play with kicks happening. Seven teams came back to win after trailing in the fourth quarter. Both of those tying an NFL record.

1:07:54It was special. Those were the five headlines, basically, we talked about. The things that we didn't get to that need to be chatted about. Deebo, what is something that we didn't talk about that certainly needs to be recognized? Something the Chiefs have had throughout this dynasty. The Patriots had it too. It was a great scoring defense. Still top five in scoring defense right now. But outside of the Chiefs, who has that championship-level defense? Right here, four of my favorite defenses right now. Obviously, not only the defense, they have great head coaches and also have offenses, I think, to get it done.

1:08:23The Broncos got to figure some things out. But you look at some characteristics from these different defenses, you start the Broncos. Just a violent defense, best third-down defense, leading the league in sacks by a wide, wide margin. Talent from the front end all the way to the back end with the secondary. And through this little stretch, they've been missing the reigning defensive player of the year with Patrick Sertan. So when he gets back in the lineup, they'll be even better. And then the Philadelphia Eagles, the reigning Super Bowl champs, back-to-back week, they just held offenses to seven and nine points in the National Football League.

1:08:53That's tough to do. and once again from the first level all the way to the back they're on the same accord they fly around and make tackles they do a great job communicating to do everything that you want your defense to do then you got to go out west the los angeles rams violent violent front four lead the league in stunts right now and also do a great job on the back end mixing things up coverage wise uh tying in with that pressure up front and picking quarterbacks off sam donald who's kind of been on a great run this season. He looked pretty shitey against this defense. It was a fight for first place in that division, and they picked on him four interceptions against Sam Darnold the last time they touched the field.

1:09:31And then the defense is kind of flying under the radar because of how great Drake May and the offense is doing as the New England Patriots. It always starts in the trenches. I think the best interior tandem with Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in there, they're unbelievable. Then you got Gonzo, a top-flight corner who can follow the number one wide receiver and you got a bunch of other guys who just fly around and do their job we know what Vrabes is the defensive mind he is he took more ownership the defense because the defensive coordinator has been dealing with some health issues this year they've been great flying around so those defenses I think in tandem with everything around them I think those are the championship level defenses right now AJ we got a hembo stat about championship defenses and how important they've been over the last couple years as opposed to maybe in the past so obviously this past Super Bowl both defenses were ranked in the top five in 2023 the year before this past Super Bowl both defenses ranked in the top five that had not happened in back-to-back Super Bowls since 1973-1974 is now becoming ever more evident that you need to have a defense to be able to win the big one AJ in your eyes and do you think there are championship defenses kind of separating themselves from the pack right now yeah I think some some teams are definitely starting to separate themselves and kind of feel they're gaining their identity as a defense.

1:10:45I mean, one defense we left out, the Bears defense, they're a little under the radar as well. I think they're plus 16 in turnover margin. Now that also is because Caleb, I think, only has four picks with the Bears D. They can take the ball away, which is huge. But yeah, you're going to need your defense at some point in the playoffs, I think, to get a win. You're going to need a big stop. It's going to be some kind of moment where your offense needs the ball back, whatever it may be. You've got to get a turnover. You're going to have to rely on your defense. I feel like at least one of those playoff games or the Super Bowl, if you want to actually win it.

1:11:13Isn't that interesting that, you know, and we talk about this with the trenches all year with AQ Shipley. It's like, if you want to win the Super Bowl, okay, like be good. We got it. And this is kind of the question about the Buffalo Beals. And we don't want to, you know, throw it into the conversation, especially with how special yesterday was for Josh Allen. But if you're going to want to win a Super Bowl, there's a couple of things you're going to need, okay? Your quarterback's going to have to make like a 17-yard dot on the sideline at some point. There's going to be a third and 13 or a fourth and 13 that your quarterback is going to have to be able to just make a timing throw.

1:11:44Like that's going to have to happen if you want to win a Super Bowl. You're going to have to be able to run the ball. You're going to have to be able to run the ball at some point if you want to win a Super Bowl. You're going to have to close out a game, clock at some point during the playoff run into the Super Bowl if you want to win. And you're going to have to have a defense get a stop at an opportunistic time. And seemingly, there are some defenses that can't do it and there are defenses that can do it. And if you want to win the Super Bowl, I think a good thing to keep an eye on as the season goes late is like, which defense can win a Super Bowl?

1:12:12That is, it's not... Defense slash special teams now, especially this past week. Oh yeah, bingo. When the kickoff, the kickoff is absolutely in play. It has, yeah, it might look like poop, but it has added a key element to this game like that. It truly matters. I cannot wait to see in the playoffs how this will affect the outcome of the game. Because you have to throw a strike. You know, we chit-chatted about it like being like baseball. Like, hey, you got to get out of game. You got to cover a kick here. If you don't cover a kick, you will lose. This happens to the Vikings right here. In another game, I think Bucker hit a kickoff short.

1:12:41I think it didn't make it in there, so that ball is at the 40. I mean, you're talking about, to your point, yeah, defense and special teams executing in big, big moments is going to be what takes somebody to the Super Bowl and what loses people in the playoffs, we think. And I think they're starting to separate from each other. Yeah, and there are teams who have shown early on here that they just can't figure it out. They'll maybe take a field goal lead with like a minute left, and instead of trying to put it in play, they just kick it out of the back of the end zone and that's still starting at the 35 and then you're kind of playing soft coverage because you want to keep everything in front of you and then before you know it, the other team is in field goal range with 20 seconds left.

1:13:17And it's like we're seeing a lot of these field goal leads just not be safe when years pass. It's like a lot of those times with a minute left, if you don't have one of those elite quarterbacks, you'd be thinking like, oh, we're good. We're going to be in a good position. That hasn't been the case this year. And the Indianapolis Colts didn't play, so out of sight, out of mind, right? Very good defense. All pro money coming back. Sauce Gardner, he'll get acclimated. And since A.J. definitely mentioned the Bears, who lead in the league in turnovers, the Packers, also a great, great defense. Seahawks, a very good defense as well.

1:13:47So there was qualifiers for the graphic. The Texans. The Texans, obviously missing the quarterback. I don't see that offense being competitive, but they are the best defense in the league right now. So those are the qualifiers that kind of left them off to that list. You heard what Schefter said about A.J. Stroud over there? Yeah. Three weeks? He's about to be up for a concussion. Well, and that's kind of been the thing already, I guess, with I don't know if the concussion protocol has changed, but they've basically said, like, hey, a concussion now, like a confirmed concussion is basically a two-week injury, but something must be real bad or something's got to be going on if you're going to be missing three games for it.

1:14:18Yeah, we hope CJ's obviously massive. It was a two-sider that he took for sure. But we hope he's okay, honestly. We genuinely hope he's okay. The Texans were one of the games that ended on its final play. Five of them, AJ, with walk-off kicks. And by the way, they made them all. The kickers made them all. Now, there was eight missed extra points. There was some windy games out there. There was some windy, windy games. And that's, hey, once again, November, December. In a lot of these cities, you know, football cities, there's a change in weather. And what changes the weather? Oh, the wind has to bring it in.

1:14:50You see, I don't know much about how it all works, but I did grow up in a town where DiNardo was the weatherman. Sure. Okay? So I basically get it. And what I need to say is for something to be really hot and then really cold, something's going to have to blow that shit, and it's wind. And boy, some of these cities, their weather's always changing. It's seemingly never stopping. Something's always on the way, okay? That is why there's no sun. And that thing that's on the way is being brought there by – They were showing those kicks last night pregame. Those things were blowing a full upright. I think it was blowing a full upright from one side to the other.

1:15:31And then whenever you think about the other games, Cleveland, yeah, right. It wasn't really being chatted about as a national storyline. Obviously, that entire storyline is Dylan Gabriel gets a concussion. Shador Sanders comes in. It doesn't go great. Did you know that backup quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps during the week, AJ? Yes, I guess I'm surprised to know that everyone assumed that everyone gets equal reps. Yes, I knew and assumed that number one quarterbacks take every single rep. Yes, we're trying to get as good as possible with what we're about to field out here. So every rep literally counts.

1:16:01Now, should they have been viewing who is starter differently? You can certainly argue that. But the entire, hey, the backup quarterback's in a bad spot because it's not his offense. Yeah. It's a tough spot. It's a really tough spot. That's why it's rushed into the game. That's why. Kind of a point. It sucks. Yeah, it's a very difficult job. That's why these backup quarterbacks have jobs for a long time, because they're able to make every read, so they're able to give a good look to the defense. They're able to make every single throw. They're able to understand the offense. They're normally good politicians, too, in a locker room.

1:16:33Good mediator between starting quarterback, quarterback room, and rest of the locker room. I mean, a backup quarterback has a lot of jobs trying to make the starting quarterback better. That is what the backup quarterback is to do. Extra set of eyes on the sideline. Homework assignment. Oh, yeah. Hey, will you go check out this film, third and long with this team? Is there any tells that the corner does or the safety has or there's any lineup? Like, that's a backup quarterback's job in the NFL. Now, I don't know how they're handling it with two rookies because Shador is obviously trying to figure it all out as he goes.

1:17:00So him trying to do a homework assignment for somebody else who also has to try to figure it out. I don't know what that kind of relationship is. But the backup quarterback job isn't like getting reps in practice. The reps they're getting is Lamar Jackson. He is going against the defense. He's operating Baltimore's offense. So whenever you see a backup quarterback come in and ball, know that, yes, that is very impressive. Everybody is surprised. And the only real upside is that the defense doesn't know you. Like the defense doesn't really know. Your team knows you much more than the other team, but it's not your offense.

1:17:34It's not something you've repped. It's not like your cadence. None of it is. You're doing somebody else's. Now, if he was to be the starter this week, this is his team now. All of a sudden in the meetings. Much more prepared. He'll be much more prepared, yes. Yes. Yes, and on that note, we can't wait to watch. Yeah. I am very excited to watch if he is starting. Starts with protections. Absolutely. That's the biggest thing. And AQ can obviously speak to that much more than I can, but you've got to be able to protect and pick him out. You can tell as soon as Chador came to the game, and even with Dylan, but as soon as you get a rookie in there, you're bringing all the blisses.

1:18:06You're bringing the wraparounds. You're bringing the stunts. You're bringing disguise coverages because you just want to make him have to figure out as much as possible. Usually what helps backup quarterbacks, you mentioned it, You don't have a book on them. Or they can use mobility or something to kind of just go off script and do that. But when you don't have that against a defense like this in week 12 right now, this defense has been talking and communicating and scheming shit up all season long. So it's a tough spot to be in for anybody. Hopefully they figure that out. We'll see how it is going forward.

1:18:34Shador rookie. Okay. So obviously the way he's dealing Gabriel is as well. And I believe in Brown's offense has been what it's been. But do we believe in the Ravens defense again? Because remember, they were asked a long time. Do we believe in the Ravens? Have they got to a place where we think maybe championship defense alongside if they're able to go in a run? I'm not there yet. No way. I think they can get there. I think they're good. I think they can get there. First, Kyle Hamlin also got screwed out of a college fumble. They blew the whistle on him. It bounced out of bounds. It didn't matter.

1:19:01But we got to hold the whistle for a second when we have a guy held up. This is on purpose right now. What you're seeing is a skill and a talent. This is not some just, oh, we're making the game ugly. Like, no, magic's about to happen. And this is taught, repped, and schemed for big brain football. Let's not blow it dead. Let's get some people with whistles that maybe have a little sense. Okay? A little feel. Like the Arizona guy. Oh, Trey McBride. Okay. Okay. Trey McBride obviously deserves the penalty in that entire situation. Makes a huge catch. Can't be through it. Can't do it. Whoa. Whoa.

1:19:33Can't do it. Huge catch. Runs a guy over. Massive moment. Jacoby, 47 receptions. He talks about it. Boom. And Hurst dies. This guy says, you kidding me? He followed his age? Hey, get back here! You know you can't do that. What do I do? You know you can't do that. Show me what I did. He throws it in there. He's saying he holstered the gun? He holstered the gun? Is that what I'm saying? No, show him. I believe they're talking. I believe, yeah, the ref will let us know. But then here. Oh, never mind. No, it's this one, I think, brother. Yeah, you can't. It's all that? That's all because of that? Yep.

1:20:08Because you know that people used to say, we like to party. Watch this. We like to party. We like to party. I believe that is why that is not allowed. Because I think it has something to do with getting energy throughout an evening in a bad way. I want to see that in the rule book then. I want to see that if he gets a fine. I need to see that typed out. C.D. Lamb has done this twice. This is kind of his thing. He's done it twice this year. They gave him a penalty both times. And then I guess the reaction out of C.D. was like, jeez. Yes, I can't do that. You guys are really doing this. So he hasn't done it.

1:20:38That was like his thing. Oh, yeah. That was like legitimately his thing in his entirety. Trey McBride immediately after this would get into a scuffle, get punched in the face and everything else. Penalty only on him, nobody else. That was quite a scene there, but obviously the refs were trying to get some things out of the game. I did see maybe a couple double barrels happening in other places. They did not call that. I'm like, okay, let the boys have their fun. Let the boys have their fun. I'll never forget whenever they started cracking down on the gun celebration. There was like a D3 college one where the team was down 24 points or something like that.

1:21:08Old buddy, pass breakup, puts the seatbelt on, strapped him up. Then he lifts up his shirt, pulls gun out of pants, shoots guy in back multiple times, puts gun back in pants, puts it down. Ref throws a flag. What did I do? Can't do that. That was a great play. That was a great play. What are you talking about? Yeah. Shot him right in the back of his head, too. Dylan Stewart over Jackson Dart last year. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Yep. Everybody in football is like, all right. Yeah, not too much. We get it. We get it. We get what you're trying to do. Let's move along here.

1:21:47Pittsburgh Steelers get a huge win here, A.J. Hawk. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers' wrist is a big topic of conversation. Mount Washington. Darnell Washington out of Georgia. Six foot seven. 300 and whatever pounds. Tight end who can also operate as a tackle. Who can throw you from the Monongahela to the Allegheny. like Ganey and then run you over like the Ohio. That's Mount Washington there. Now, this guy, I was a big fan of whenever he was at Georgia. Obviously, he was behind Brock Bowers, but we had the opportunity to be on the field for a couple different Georgia games. And whenever this dude walks by, you go, holy shit.

1:22:22What can this guy do? He can catch, he can run, he can block, he can do it all. Remember whenever they said his knees were bad, though? His knees might be bad. He's 6 '7", 320, and he's running like this. Yeah, I'm assuming his knees aren't perfect. There's a chance that he's mentally tougher than you, though, and can battle through it. Special talent they got up there in Pittsburgh, and I like the fact that Artie and Aaron love it just as much as us, it feels like. Look at Geno Stone. First, I mean, Geno Stone, I guess, could have tried to go low, but right here, I give old Turner credit for trying to punch that ball out, knowing how big he is, and he's just rumbling down the sidelines looking to kill somebody.

1:22:59I mean, you have no chance. Geno Stone, I guess, yeah, you could probably go low. You have to, but right here, oh, my God. Come on, Geno. No bad, that would hurt. It's Geno. Yeah, but you go low, though. You got to go low. You're going to tree choke. You might be a cat for that guy. Was he listed? Was he listed? Like 270. Right there. He ain't two nothing. He listed 270? Because we saw him in training camp. He was about to jump him. He was about to jump him, honestly. 260. Okay. Washington was about to jump the last one. He really was. Yeah, I think. Watch him lift his knee towards the end of this last one.

1:23:32He's going to go. He was about to jump him. As a big man, you know how many times people try to saw him off at his knee. I'm assuming he's got a good leap. I'm assuming there's a good, a well-timed jump over, which would be special to see this large of a human flying through the sky. But him just getting the rock is awesome. You know, we chitchat about this Pittsburgh Steelers offense whenever they were doing well. They would have an extra offensive lineman in. It wasn't actually an extra offensive lineman. It just looked like it. It was him. He was being used as an extra offensive lineman. He's a road grader, this guy.

1:24:01So not only does he have the capability of doing this, And not only is he unguardable because he's 6 '7 and this big, it's like he's a massive piece of protection for Aaron and for them running the ball. The Pittsburgh Steelers prove anything to us yesterday, A.J. Hawk? Did they prove anything to you? And ultimately, we'll ask Tone if they proved anything to the Pittsburgh fan base. Yeah, I mean, I think it's having Mason Rudolph there, that is a big benefit to – I mean, I know I think Tone has definitely questioned over the years why they have kept this guy around. Well, this is why, because he can step in and help you win a football game.

1:24:33Now, I don't know how bad Aaron's wrist is. Luckily, it's his left wrist. And I don't know how bad that would have to be to keep you out for multiple weeks if it's your non-throwing hand. I'm not sure how it works. But, yeah, Mason Rudolph, the Steelers, I think they definitely have a chance. Yeah, and Aaron, we know this. Not a lot of people think this about Aaron. And by a lot of people, I know the people that just aren't fans of his. Like, he does view himself as old-school, tough quarterback. Like, that is how he views himself. That is how he likes to operate. I think he's proven that. There was a game in London where he got scorpioned.

1:25:04Like Baker Mayfield kind of scorpioned himself yesterday. But like he got scorpioned and then like I think there was a turnover the next play. He goes back on the field like can barely walk, has no idea where somebody is, already four-time MVP, already everything like that. Like Aaron takes a lot of pride in being a tough guy, even though people don't really give him credit in that. So to AJ's point right there, and that's AJ who's either talked directly to Aaron and shit talked to him or not. He said, it is non-throwing arm. If you're going to miss multiple games, I don't think so. That's AJ talking shit to Aaron through our show right now.

1:25:40But Aaron also is feeling the exact same way. Yeah, I mean, there was the Bears game to start the season probably like six years ago. He hurt his knee bad. And a lot of people were saying, hey, this could be a several-week deal. But it was the opening night. It was Sunday night football. So he got all shot up, came out, and basically played the second half on one leg. and just stuff like that, really outside of the few times where he broke his collarbone with the Packers. He was dinged up a decent amount, but yeah, if he can go, he's going. He's not missing games. Yeah, last year in Green Bay, did he break his throwing thumb?

1:26:13Yes, he did. And he was still playing through a broken thumb, and that's like a situation where, hey, your play is going to look so bad that people are going to start saying that you've lost it and everything. If this is in his left hand, it's almost like, hey, I play for Pittsburgh, so I've got to show these Pittsburgh people how tough I am, not just say how tough I am. And I feel like this is a great time for him to show that. He wanted to go back out. Yeah. Which is hilarious. No way, dude. What are you talking about? We don't even really know. Yeah, I got to go back out there. Just because that's ingrained in who he is.

1:26:41He's a different generation here now. Yeah. Hey, one of the last of a dying breed here in the NFL. And he'll go out on his shield. He will. He will go out on his shield. That's important, though. That left wrist, ball security. Especially. Brace yourself when you're falling. Put a club on it. What if he puts a club on it and somehow finds a way to handle the ball? Once again, this is him talking shit. With just his little fingies sticking out of the club, though. Just a couple fingies out. So he has to put a glove, tape the glove on here. Yeah, there you go. So that there isn't sticky on it, you know, and just absolutely do it.

1:27:14But there's so many pieces of life as a quarterback that is your offhand. And ball handling is like a massive part of his game, too. He'll figure it out. Hey, H, tell him to tape it up, right? Put Tyler on it. I think he will. Yeah, rub some dirt on it, tape a few Tylenol or Advil to your skin. Yeah, good luck. We're pulling for you. Now let's talk about the midnight mode being able to exist more than just one day. Rams, Seahawks, NFC West, Thriller. We are all pumped up about what this game could be. Sam Darnold, MVP-like season. Matthew Stafford, MVP-like season. Seahawks way ahead of schedule.

1:27:52Rams, how are you guys still this good with everything that you've done? Two different storylines coming into the game. And what we found out was midnight moon lives on. Devontae Adams still unguardable down on the goal line. One team has the tush push. A lot of hanky-panky with the tush push. Quite a bit. They're playing a little handsy down there. They're in a neutral zone playing handsy. I mean, there was that going on. Tush push obviously does what it does. But Devontae Adams down there is just as effective as the tush push. Because they have Puka Nakua, and because they have 14 tight ends, it seems like, And because they have multiple backs that are incredible, Tyron's unbelievable seemingly.

1:28:31Because of all the weapons they have, Devontae, they have to go one-on-one with him. They have to go one-on-one with him. No help. So it's just Devontae one-on-one with a corner down the goal line. That's a guarantee. This is just like when Gronkowski was with the New England Patriots. They would flank out Rob Gronkowski if it was one-on-one. Who cares what this play call was? Go ahead, Gronky. Do what you got to do. And then Gronk would just cook, and he was wide open. Same thing for Devontae. Devontae just, one of these, I'm going that way. Boom, one of those, I'm going this way. And then if you're good, DB could be great.

1:29:03This is your second or third DB. He could be a great athlete, and he gets them both. Devontae will somehow, no hands, hit you with one of those, and then he's gone. Houdini, he's out of nowhere, and that's a touchdown. And Matthew Stafford's not missing. Like, he's not going to miss one of these opportunities. He's phenomenal, they're phenomenal, and their punter might have had the best play of the entire damn game. Ethan Evans, we've seen this guy squat, I think, like 600 pounds and shit all over his Instagram. And when he needed it, fourth quarter, up two. Need a long field for Sam Darnold. He's thrown four picks, but he could get hot.

1:29:36Picture, perfect. End over end, coffin corner. So he literally did both here. He did the new school and the old school. Less than two minutes in the fourth quarter. Ethan Evans, let's fucking go, buddy. That's huge for the brand. 42 is still an interesting number, but giving them at least 60 yards, 50, 60 yards, Jason Myers ends up missing a 61-yard field goal, ends up pushing it right, and it may be even a little bit short. But if that's even at the 5 or the 10, which is considered a good kick, a good pooch kick, that's a whole different ballgame. Huge, huge out of Ethan Evans in the Los Angeles Rams.

1:30:12And we talk about offense being able to go. We talk about defense being able to go. And clearly special teams able to go too, D-Budge. Yeah, with how cagey this match was, this was huge. Rarely do you say like a game-winning punt, but this was as close as it'll get. Obviously, the defense has to go out there and get some stops and do their job as well. But this is huge. When you're setting your defense up and setting that opposing offense up where they have to go the length of the field, that's a big-time play. I mean, unbelievable execution. I thought that was one of the best plays of the day yesterday.

1:30:41Yeah, I like the way we're talking about it. I like the way we're talking about these punts. We like big old punts and we can't all lie. Ain't that right, AJ? We do. I think maybe some casuals are seeing how important special team play is, especially down the stretch when games truly matter. This is a game-defining play right here. You're going to point to this as one of the reasons they won. Yeah, and Sean McVay is going to give him a game ball. Oh, yeah. He certainly earned it. Go ahead. What are the rules right there for the punt return? I know it's Rashid Shahid. He's been there a couple weeks now.

1:31:09But are you putting the heels on a certain yard line and letting it go? What are they being taught? Go back to the beginning there. Where's the line of scrimmage? The line of scrimmage is the 49. So he was at about like the eight, I would say, seven or eight. Used to be the 10, but now because guys are getting better and better at it all, you use seven or eight-yard line. If it's in front of you, we catch it. If it's behind you, you try to distract or block. And then if it goes out of bounds at the one, you just kind of look at it and everybody say, wow, that was a pretty damn good ball. That was a pretty damn good ball right there.

1:31:36So, yeah, my goal every time we were down in that area there, I was trying to hit it to like the eight-yard line, seven-yard line. Guaranteed fair catch, basically, because that's where they're standing. And if you hit it a little bit further, you might have a chance to be able to steal one inside to five. A little bit shorter, probably fair catch at the 10, which is considered a success. There's some guys, though, that go for it. Like, there's guys that go for it on a regular basis. I think Ethan was going for this because he hit it very far. So I appreciate him doing that. Now, granted, if that's a touchback, that comes out to the 20.

1:32:02It's a ball. So it's like kind of a give and take. There's risk assessment happening at basically all times whenever you're going out there. Okay, do I need to hit this thing 37 yards? Do I need to maybe go for this and maybe hit his 39 yards? I hit this 39 yards. There's a chance we get a good bounce. Ooh, also a chance we get a shite bounce. You know, because that thing, obviously, you're trying to get a better luck for the bounce so you can hit a slow back spinner. So you hope that thing will check up. But there's a chance that hits the point and shoots straight in the end zone. So it's not like 100 % that that thing's going to check up perfectly.

1:32:33So shout out to Ethan, shout out to the Rams, and shout out to their fans that bought those jerseys. Could never wear it again, you know, if you lose. Right. Now you can, Rocket. As a punter, do you know right away when it's coming off your foot, like, okay, this one, this has a chance, or is he waiting, kind of waiting to see where it lands? Can you see the rotation on the ball? Like, okay, if this lands, you know, not in the end zone, this thing is going to check up. If it has a slower rotation, better chance it's not going to go into the end zone. Okay. Slower rotation, though, harder to control how far it goes.

1:33:05So if you see that thing spinning pretty slow, or if it starts turning a little sideways, that thing turns sideways in the air, it's like, ooh, Okay, now we've got a chance for the sideways bounce and that whole thing. Once again, though, everything kind of is a give and take. Hard to control distance whenever you have a slower rotation or side spin. Now, with the slower rotation, is that less leg speed, or is that a drop of the ball? The way you drop the ball. Can you drop it to try to make it bounce sideways, out of bounds? Do you ever drop it like that? Yeah, so there's a banana ball that guys are...

1:33:40Dude. Beautiful, baby, dude. This is nice, baby Duke here. So, you know, the Aussies brought this one into here, you know, kind of end over end punt. And you could swing harder and it won't go as far, and it would seemingly like a kickoff go higher. Fair catch machine, or if it hits the ground, you get a chance for this thing to kick up. Now, because it's spinning backwards like this, you see, there's always a chance that that thing hits and boom, boom, boom. It's an oblong ball. You can't control this thing perfectly. But the slower it goes, you see, the longer it is where? On its flatter sides, you see?

1:34:09So then there's a chance that it catches up for you. The issue with that is to hit it a little bit slower, you've got to tilt that thing like that, which shrinks the size of a sweet spot. So now you're potentially hitting a shit ball. So whenever you get both, you're in a good spot. The banana ball now, this is something that the Aussies do that I'm very, very impressed with. I think they do it since their birth. I think they do it as a child. So there's some times where you're getting a kick to kind of potentially pull it through the big post there and you've got to turn that son of a bitch sideways.

1:34:36So they have this banana ball that they start hitting that kind of turns it sideways, and their ball is bigger, bigger, sweet spot. So then Johnny Hecker, I think, started doing it back in the day because he was a real talent. And then for me, I'd potentially hit that thing seven yards. Okay. But if I hit it far enough, that thing was coming down. It was spinning and it was coming down like in a kind of like a Australian. Boomerang. Boomerang. Oh, okay. That thing's coming down, tough to catch, and then when it hits the ground, it's going sideways. So, you know, the banana ball really changed the game.

1:35:08I think guys have much more control with it. But this bad boy right here is what everybody went to as opposed to coffin cornering everything because you got guys running four threes off the edge now. So you got a lot of guys coming off the edge that are like four four, four five, and they're all like six two, six three. So they understand that if they block a punt, going to win the game probably. So they started really taking that a lot more serious. So the coffin corner guys used to just like take the snap and then they would just like walk. They would have nothing. There would be like no pressure basically.

1:35:37And they would walk that thing sideways and they would hit it out of bounds. This is really good. It's like nowadays they're – Short corner. Yeah, they are trying to get you right there. So this one just became a quick – let's go ahead and pull it in the middle and let's kind of handle it. There's also punt blocks that basically they're telling everybody that they're preparing for the fake. Okay? So if they keep the starting defense on the field and they go punt safe and everybody on there is screaming it, their sideline and everybody on the field is saying safe, safe, safe, safe, safe. They're telling the other team, hey, you guys are going to have to punt this.

1:36:15MCDC says, I don't care. Fuck that, man. I'm running, man. I'm running. Did you see what happened last time? I did not. They run snap to the PP. The starting defense for the Philadelphia Eagles is on the field. It was very evident that literally everybody in Philly was like, safe, safe, safe, safe, telling the Detroit Lions, hey, look at how many guys they got in the box right there. They're literally just – that is literally punt safe. I think it's called everywhere, right? Punt safe. Punt safe. Oh, yeah. And the only thing punt safe is, AJ, I guess you'd be able to talk to this as well, is just make sure the punt gets off, right?

1:36:48That's basically the only thing. Edge rushers force a punt. Force them to get rid of that thing. Everybody else fake. Everybody else waiting for fake, basically. You sub the free safety out for a punt returner so they can feel the punt. But everything else is just, hey, we got one, you got two. It's just regular defense. And literally everybody on the field is saying it. Like, I know punter. I know when punt safe is happening on the other side. It's like, okay, this is great news. Okay, we just come out here. They're not going to – we can't fake anything, but also probably not a lot of heat here.

1:37:17And our guys aren't going to be able to get down as fast because of the holdup that is about to take place. So I can kind of take my sweet-ass time here and hit a good ball, let our gunners kind of do our thing, because guess what the corners aren't doing? They're not getting a holding call. They're not getting anything like that. They're actually probably letting the guys go. A lot of times you look at that clip, you see the corners. They're backed off because, once again, you're trying to play that fake. So we want to kind of see everything. You don't want your back to the ball and just throw a fade ball.

1:37:42So the corners are like off down here at the bottom, press up top. Don't let a fake happen. That is all we are out here for. That is literally this entire thing. So I was kind of confused by that. They're coming after MCDC today. Yeah, I mean, they were trying everything. It was a tough day on fourth down for the Lions, okay? 0 for 5 on trying to convert, 0 for 6 if you count the fake punt. They had to try it all because I'll tell you what, this Eagles defense is absolutely incredible. The best defense I've seen the Lions play under the MCDC era. Okay, so you play the best defense that you've seen and you put your special teamers in there to try to get a yard.

1:38:17Golf couldn't get it. Get golf the hell out of here. This guy's got two gloves on. It's cold. Can't play. Whenever you see that. Yeah, I don't love this. Unless that's your normal gimmick. That's your Teddy two gloves or somebody. Kurt Warner got into it. Roethlisberger got into it. He's always done it in cold games, for what it's worth. Don't love it. Peyton got into it late in his season. Yeah. He had the big leather ones. He had nerve damage. He had nerve damage. He had a real difference. He had nerve damage. He had to get into it. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons. But anyways, what we're saying is a lot of decisions out of the Lions that I think we all go, that's kind of a head scratcher.

1:38:52But in the end, if they don't get screwed over with a passer in the air, that's right. Thank you. Win the game. Defense gave them a chance. Lions had a chance. your offense or your team goes for it six times on fourth day and you don't get it. You still hold a team, any team to what, 16 points? That's an impressive outing for a defense. You can't do this. Bullshit. You can't do it. Can't do it. Now which part do you think they called it on? Just so I can get mad at the right hand. Grab the left hand. That's what they called on, didn't you, at the very end? At the end? Watch. I don't think it's a terrible call, but I think right there they called it because he's holding that left wrist.

1:39:25Look at it. He's got eyes on it. That guy's got eyes on it. All right. Let's not judge these refs on a few bad calls that they certainly made this weekend and we need to not see anymore. Sure. Especially on third down, less than two minutes left in a game. Huge game, primetime game. You're not the show. We're here to watch the show. Get the hell out of the way. On and out, we appreciate your service to the ball. AJ didn't clap. AJ hates refs. Doesn't care. That is how AJ. I didn't see AJ Brown even crying for the call or pleading for the call. You know that's the situation. When that's the case, you know it's probably a rough call.

1:39:56Well, ladies and gentlemen, let's pivot away from the NFL. And the refs trying their best. Need you to be better in big moments. But trying their absolute best. Let's pivot to college football. And the award that kind of puts you in the folklore of history. The Heisman. And who would have thought that there's a man playing quarterback for the Indiana Hoosier football team. Hell yeah. That is currently the front runner. Fresh off a game in which he was 22-24 for 299 yards and four touchdowns. Pretty efficient. Well, it's not just that game. It's every game. Go back last week, maybe the catch of the year, maybe the drive of the year, and that's not the only one.

1:40:35There's four fourth-quarter comebacks to win the game led by this man. Ladies and gentlemen, it's not just Fernando Mendoza. It's potentially Heisman-Dosa. How you doing, brother? What's up, guys? Hey, what's going on? How are you, brother? life good is this what you imagined it was going to be whenever you decided to transfer from Cal to Kurt Cignetti's Indiana Hoosier team is this what you all envisioned together because watching you has been very special this season brother thank you so much first of all thank you guys so much for having me on the show yeah I would say it's been a whirlwind it's been crazy and I can't thank Hoosier Nation enough for welcoming in Mr.

1:41:17McAfee I know your wife Mrs. McAfee's a Hoosier so shout out to her Hoosier Nation has been incredible to me coach Cignetti's been incredible to me and it's just been it's been a journey like you said we've had a ton of fourth quarter comebacks this year but i mean it's only been because we have such great guys in the locker room and it's been an amazing journey so far okay so whenever you're getting pitched and sold to come to different schools i assume you know because this is the way college football is especially with an incredibly talented quarterback like yourself with the special year you guys had at cal what did signetti sell you on because his idea i think of winning is like hey i want to find the guys that maybe still have a lot of room to grow he wants to coach up he wants to accountability was that something that drew you to indiana or what specifically was the reason for why you picked the hoosiers we're all very thankful including my bride obviously yeah yeah i would say you hit the nail right on the head indiana and coach signetti really sold me on becoming the best fernando mendoza possible and also i have while having my little brother here alberto mendoza i was able to get the good the bad the ugly the situation the transport nowadays it's like speed dating and there's a couple other blue buds in the mix but with the way i saw alberto develop and coach ignetti really saw me on hey i don't know exactly i don't have a crystal ball i don't know what's going to happen with this season but i promise you if you come to my school instead of the other schools you're going to be the best fernando mendoza quarterback that you can become and at that point i was sold i'm like let's go ready to be a hoosier hell yeah we love that good sell sick good sell sick go ahead aj yeah fernando you obviously you seem to be so like very mature and really squared away as they say and have like the the right things on your radar is there any like players around the country in college or NFL quarterbacks that you might lean on that you talk to or that you even try to model your game after?

1:42:57Yeah, there's a ton of quarterbacks across that mean past, present, and even in the future in college that I look and watch their film. Past, I would say Tom Brady, that's my guy. I grew up watching him. He's my football idol. My parents are my character model and idol, but Tom Brady, that's my football idol. Funny enough, I was actually able to talk to Daniel Jones, my fellow Indiana quarterback, this past week. And actually, the Wisconsin game, I got a little bit of a black eye here. Nothing compared, because I was trying to be like him and get the bloody mouth and stuff. But I wasn't able to.

1:43:29But I was able to talk to him, and I've been able to talk to some great people throughout this crazy season. So I'm really thankful for it all. Yeah, I think a lot of people probably want to talk to you, bro. Let's go back to the throw with Omar Cooper Jr. Well, the catch and that entire drive. You guys get sacked on the first play of that drive. Must have. Gotta have it. As you're throwing, obviously, through the entirety of the drive, you're dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. And then the throw to Omar Cooper Jr. here. What is your thoughts? You're throwing this to the crossbar, only where your guy can get it.

1:44:00What is going through your mind before you let this one go? And after you see the replay, what do you say immediately to Mr. Omar Cooper Jr.? I mean, catch of the year. That guy literally saved us a game. What a fantastic catch. What a fantastic play. for sure the best catch this season and when we first stepped out on the field you hear Mo Bamba rocking it feels I mean you feel the stadium pulse everyone says Beaver Stadium's loud and you we really felt it on the field and overcoming the sack on the first play everybody bouncing back great resilience throughout the drive great protection by the O-line great catches by all the receivers tight ends and then we have the catch of the year at the end I I know Omar you know he played basketball he's from Indiana so has that basketball background I just try to put it up there so he could either get like an alley-oop dunk or a rebound and and he did it at first i thought because usually you see the back foot always go down first and then then the foot closer but he like somehow levitated his foot to have like this imaginary cushion which i still believe is god all the glory to god and then his other foot tap like not even on the white but like tapped a little grass and then we have our offensive captain pat coogan after because Everyone's going crazy, just pointing at the spot and telling the ref, he's in, he's in.

1:45:12I mean, I thought we had to go back out for fourth down, but once I saw the replay and Coach Cignetti wailed his arms in the hair, I was like, let's go. Don't sue me. Don't sue me. No, you're good. You're good. You're good, Mendoza. Believe me, we've already got a few of those. I will say amen to you about the act of God because it does feel like something special is taking place up there. Independent State people, Mo Bamba, they're thinking, oh, life's already ass enough. No, you got catch of the year at the end of this. This guy's defying actual reality and physics. It was special, and your team has been special.

1:45:44This Indiana run has been special. But you guys have been banged up like a lot of different teams. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Fernando, Elijah Surratt, you're all Big Ten wide receiver. He's been out the last few. But you've had someone emerge, Charlie Becker. He had seven catches for 157 yards the whole season. Until the last two games, he's had 12 for 226, back-to-back 100-yard game. So how big is that going to be when you have Surratt, Cooper, and now Becker for the playoff run that you're getting another weapon in the offense? As a quarterback, it's such a luxury to play with such great receivers.

1:46:17Elijah, they call him Waffle House, the man. Omar Cooper, we just saw catch of the year. E.J. Williams, fantastic receiver. And now Charlie Becker. Charlie's actually, funny enough, he's actually my roommate. And he's my Berto's and I's roommate. And it's great to see him out there making catches. He had a great catch. That actually got a little superseded by Omar's catch, the catch before. He had a great fade ball, a little back shoulder, high point catch in Penn State. And I just think it speaks to the culture that we have here in Indiana. It's always the next man up mentality. It's always supporting each other.

1:46:45Elijah's the main guy on the sideline, coaching our other receivers up, motivating them, along with everybody else that's banged up. So I would say it's a really strong culture we got here. And not only are we winning, and it's great all that we're 11-0, but it's even better than we're doing it with great people and great teammates. Yeah, it feels like you guys are doing it all right down there. and we appreciate the hell out of the way Signetti operates. And obviously, buy-in can come in many different forms. Sig's not scared to run his mouth a little bit. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Fernando, it's an honor to talk to you a month before you win the Heisman.

1:47:15But when it comes to the week's preparation after a game like that, where you go 22 or 24 without your number one receiver to Tony's points, what does Sig say to you to kind of keep you motivated, to keep you kind of on edge? Is he talking shit to you? We see him going into halftime, giving interviews. They're hilarious every single time. It's great watching him operate. But what is he like on the day-to-day to kind of keep you guys all locked in because it is so much praise from the outside in? Yeah, Coach Zignetti coming from that statement tree, he really uses and coins the term rat poison.

1:47:50He really makes sure to never keep you complacent and always keep you hungry. Coach Zigg is always pushing us at practice. If we've had a sloppy practice on the offensive side, you'll hear about it. You'll hear about it, and I think he does a great job motivating us, not only when we're up, but also when we're down. For example, during the Oregon game, I threw a pick six to tie the game, and at Oregon, that time, their number three team in the nation, he came up to me and he said, let's have some fun. You're good. And at that point, it really made myself go in the present moment, come to a little zen moment, and we were able to lead the game-winning drive and score a touchdown.

1:48:25So Coach Cignetti not only has the hard-ass mentality that he's always going to keep us hungry and keep us away from the rat poison, but he also knows what to motivate us. For example, like Wisconsin at halftime. Yeah, before, what was that, two weeks ago, Penn State. Do you have any concerns? No, it's game day. Do you have any other questions? What are we talking about here? Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. To come into his own and to come into national prominence this late in his coaching career almost feels like it's the perfect time for it. He's already been callous. He's already had to win a bunch of different ways.

1:48:55And whenever he sells somebody, it's obviously believable. Now let's talk about you, the player. Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah, I play with some very different quarterbacks throughout my career. Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck. They all have very different pregame routines and different leadership styles. Do you have any quirky things or anything you have to do specifically to get ready for a game? And what would you say is like your leadership style as a quarterback? Yeah, that's a great question. I would say on game day, I always make sure to do my daily meditation, in 10 minutes to zone in. And I always make sure to watch daily mass on the day of the game and leadership style.

1:49:32I mean, we have so many great leaders in the team, across the team. So when I first got here in Bloomington, I'm not only able to learn from great leadership from coaches like Coach Cignetti, Coach Shannon, and Coach Whitmer. I'm also able to learn from a great team last year. We have All-American linebacker Aiden Fisher. I can go on and on about all these different guys and great leaders there. So I'm able to pick and choose and to see what attributes can I take and help elevate the leadership on our team, which already has a fantastic culture that I could help us, you know, take us to that next, next level.

1:50:00And I would say a couple other things that are, you know, quirky. I think it's really good about being one of the guys, you know, we try to go out to dinner every single week on Thursdays. We always do team Bible study. And so having really that camaraderie with the guys, instead of just, you know, just being teammates, it's different because we really are brothers. And so whenever, you know, let's say if I set Becker up on a pass, he gets blown up. It's not Like, man, I should have not thrown that. I got him blown up. It's like, that's my boy. That's my dog. Like, I don't want to get him blown up because that's my brother.

1:50:29So I think the camaraderie that we have within the locker room and the leadership, not from just the quarterback front, but from all fronts, is overwhelming and has really helped this team this season. En el nombre de padre, el filo, el espíritu. Santo. Santo. That's what I think I just heard out of the Mendoza guy. Let's talk about you, the human, a little bit here. I've learned through your story about your mom having MS and how you're raising money to combat against MS. Obviously, you and your brother are the first pair of brothers to throw a touchdown in the same game. I think a second pair in like 10 years or something like that to accomplish that feat.

1:51:05But you two and your mom, very, very close. Obviously, you've had to learn about MS through her battle. Now you're raising money for others. Can you talk about that a little bit here? And we appreciate you spreading the news and spreading awareness about this. Yeah, so my mom is my light, my inspiration. When I had no offers coming out of high school, she was, hey, stay, keep on praying. It's going to come. And everything that she's basically told me that's going to come to light has always. She's my inspiration and my positive hope to see her fight multiple sclerosis. Whenever, you know, she's fighting and having a hard day, it gives myself no excuse if I have a bad practice, if I have a bad lift to not study and watch more film because she is my why and I do it for her.

1:51:44And just to have the opportunity and platform to raise more awareness for her in order to to partner with the National MS Society in order to raise awareness and to give money to people who can't afford the treatments, the most grossest treatments because there's no cure at this point, it's truly special. And it really kind of gives myself a bigger view of why I'm playing football. Keep doing it, brother. You're going there. Right now you can buy the burger down there at Buffaloes in Bloomington, and all proceeds will go to the MS Society. Last year at Cal raised$11 ,000 through that, plus there's a donation site where we can all chime in.

1:52:17we definitely will do that to support your cause. Good luck on the Heisman run. You've certainly warranted the case from our angle. You're the man. Thank you for what you're doing for our state, brother. Thank you guys so much. God bless. Go Hoosiers. Thank you for having me on the program. Appreciate it. You're the man. I heard the program there. You dropped it well. Fernando. Hey, Fernando. Tell your brother we said what's up as well. All right, as we wrap up here on ESPN and continue digitally, I can't help but say that kid's a good one, man. Draft that guy now. That kid's a good one. Let's go through some stats real quick.

1:52:48Three fourth-quarter game-winning drives on the road this year. He leads the FBS in passing touchdowns and touchdowns responsible for and points responsible for. He's the only FBS quarterback with 30 touchdown passes this season, and obviously him and his brother were the first ones to throw a TD pass in the same game since Arkansas in 2015. This guy's special. Special, special. Only quarterback in the last 20 years to have three games and 90 % completion percentage with four touchdown passes. Fernando Mendoza ball. We continue on the other side. See you tomorrow. Got it in. Yeah, you did. That was a lot.

1:53:19I know one of these stats was the best one, and I didn't get it for the first three ones. There was only four on there. It's like, it's that one. At least 20 seasons, he's the only quarterback. Three games of 90 % completion percentage and four touchdown passes. So 90 % completion, it's not just like 10 balls that we're doing. No, it's like 90 % completion, and we got four touchdowns out there. It's on my shoulders, basically. He's special. That team's special. And, boy, it feels like Signetti can eyeball talent. It feels like he knows exactly what you need. That's a huge part of the entire process.

1:53:53Everybody's talking about the transfer portal, NIL, you can flip your team. It's like if you get the right guys, it feels like Sig has an eye for the right guy. Yeah, you got to evaluate talent. And on this level, everybody's going to have great talent, but it's about getting the right guys. And him saying and remembering what Sig said to him. And you know as a kid, especially in this environment, when you're talking to so many different coaches at so many different times, you can kind of pick up on when people are bullshitting you. So him saying like, hey, you're going to come here and you're going to be the best version of yourself.

1:54:20I don't have a crystal ball. I can't tell you you're going to be a starter. We're going to do this, that, and the third. But you're going to be the best version of yourself as a quarterback. And obviously we see it coming to fruition right in front of our eyes. Yeah, I appreciate that Sig's doing that for our state. It is cool. It's so awesome. It is very cool. And, you know, the basketball team is going to be good again too with DeVries. But I'll say DeVries left a school that might be the next powerhouse. Who's that? Drake? West Virginia University. Oh. He was there for a year. Oh, yeah. You remember?

1:54:49It was a good year. Yeah, it was a good year. It was a good year. He set the foundation, didn't he? Remember the North Carolina guy screwing West Virginia. That's how I remember. Yeah, Bubba, the athletic director. It's like a stepping stone to get to IU. No, see, that's – Whoa. Congratulations, coach. I want to let you know that new coach there, Mr. – Ross Hodge. Ross Hodge. Good ball coach. Yeah, Ross Hodge. Can't wait to see where he ends up. Ross Hodge, yep. Just because he sent the same amount of letters as Neil Brown. somewhere. Where he's going to end up. Hopefully Big East or something.

1:55:16No. He is where he ends up. He's at West Virginia. I'll have you know, West Virginia smacking ass all over the place, just beating the hell out of people. Really? Beating the hell out of people all over town. West Virginia basketball dominant, bopping wood. We're out there doing it. And yesterday just landed the biggest recruit in the history of West Virginia. What? Wow. Seven star, they said. This guy. Miles Sadler, Number 23 ranked player in the sports center next top 100. It's the best recruit we've ever gotten in our lives in the history of West Virginia. Oh, I've seen this story before. Modern era, I guess.

1:55:51No, he's not from West Virginia. Did you guys get a top five last year? Then a guy left. Oh, and then he didn't end up going. DeVries, the guy left. This guy says, I want to be a part of the next generation, the next era. And by the way, that era is starting right now. The boys, who I don't know yet, carry on the team. they were asked at the press conference like hey what did you want to do why did you want to win this game or whatever they said because they had Pitt on their jerseys it's like boys I like what we're doing right now and then I guess we are hell I mean we are the Cleveland Browns defense in Cleveland I guess that is our team and then we fill it up as well we beat the shit out of Pitt I think our West Virginia basketball team national champs don't look now and then also now is not the time I would say, just as – I'm not even playing devil's advocate.

1:56:42Just proceed with caution. A lot of things going out there about Pitt this weekend, having maybe one of the worst weekends in the history of Pitt. I believe the basketball team got beat by a D3 powerhouse as well. The women's did. That was the women's. Was it the women's? Either way, that's not good. That's not good. Yeah, shout out to Scranton. But West Virginia – Scranton's a damn good ball game. They are. They are, obviously. West Virginia women's, you know, massive melee. They had like seven girls get ejected. They only had five girls. Five girls beat Duke. Exactly. Massive upset. So the men's WVU basketball team, what do you want?

1:57:16The women's WVU basketball team, actually, what do you want? Yeah, bingo. I actually throw in five. Only have five players left. Wow. Whole second half. We're losing when they started with five. This is against Duke. Not a bad team. End up winning the game. Maybe the most impressive feat that has happened in college sports in some time. That's the West Virginia women's team. the Washington men's team is bopping wood all over the place. They're going to be a tough out. Football team back. Should have beat Arizona State. Rich Rod's pissed once we lose to Arizona State. Can't get a yard seven, eight different times.

1:57:51If you can't get a fucking yard. He said that to the press conference, obviously, to the media. And they asked a couple different times what the problem was. And he just basically every single time said this is what our problem is. I couldn't even imagine what that team meeting was like. Oh, my God. Imagine if you were an assistant coach, too, Pat. Sorry. Imagine an assistant. He mentioned coaching multiple times. Well, that's him saying. Yeah, that's him. I guess it's on my phone. That's on me. That's on me, and I hired you. So, that's on all of us. That's on you, too. Yeah, waste the laundry detergent.

1:58:21Yeah, I thought you were going to be tough. That's what I thought. And then in there, you know, him just doing this. This being the yardage needed, the amount needed. Just Adam. Hey, yep, there it is. It's not happening to the yard. He did this. That looks like it's a good 7A inch, if I had to guess. 6 '7". 6 '7", in this entire thing. But him doing this right now, that is setting the tone for the entire week. Remember those hills we ran where you guys were puking all over yourselves? Had to get somebody an IV to the hospital. Remember those workouts we were doing? It all came down to this is why, okay?

1:58:56Because of this. Now he has reason. That's the Big 12 champs, Arizona State. Yeah. Not that they're having Big 12 championship. They were in the playoffs last year, though. In our team, full rebuild, freshman quarterback, full new locker room. We should have beat them. That's Rich Rod's entire press conference was they beat us. Congrats to them and Dillingham and everything like that. But he thinks we should have won that. He thinks we are arriving at the point of where we're trying to be as a program. And then this offseason, he's going to hit the transfer portal. He's going to be able to get guys that can buy into what it is, knows what they have, what they don't have.

1:59:29Feels like we're in a really good spot. So football doing great. Hoops doing great. I think our soccer team is both of them right now. Rifle, obviously. Baseball. A little rifle, obviously, national champs. Baseball, we sell out stadium. I think we do good in the Big 12. Yeah, went to the Super Regionals. So now the worry is Ren Baker, the athletic director. You know, and don't say it. You said stepping. Don't do it. Well, he's a North Texas guy, and he hired a North Texas basketball coach. Are they going to go somewhere together? Is that what Darius is saying? Whoa. There's great athletic directors available out there for the jobs that need athletic directors.

2:00:00Ren Baker is just fine. down in the country. High-profile one. Probably going to be coming up here pretty soon. AD? West Virginia's already taken. Baylor. Oh. West Virginia's already taken. He's not going somewhere else in the Big 12. W is better. Thank you. And Baylor? Yeah. It's a private school. Who's going to pay him more? Hey, listen. Let's not worry about any of that. Let's just talk about what it is and where we're at. Different down there in Texas, though. You guys are a good spot. I agree. Good spot. Thank you. The highest recruit in the history of basketball Just yesterday There's no way he's high He's committed, he's committed, that's good, he'll stay Biggest recruit Biggest recruit in the history of basketball Just yesterday What will tomorrow bring Who knows We'll see you next time.

2:01:24football i just got this in my head aj and i just immediately wanted to go hey that's aj hawk we'll obviously have uh bas incredible cadence tomorrow the toxic tables here at bossa connor and at tith schmidt one half of the hammer cowboys ap tone steelers to win a super bowl yeah is that overreaction monday or is that how tone feels kind of how tone feels and it is over Action Monday as well but no the defense feels like it's getting better each week And the offense? They're fine, especially with Mace under center. Especially. Well, we don't know if that's the case because Aaron Rodgers is going to want to fight through this to play, I think.

2:02:03Yeah, but it's not his decision. It's Mason's decision. Sounds like. You're thinking Mason's walking in there and telling the doctors what's going on? Well, Aaron wanted to come back in yesterday, but Mason's out there just slinging it all over the yard. What did Mason do yesterday? I believe he's 12 of 16 for almost 200 yards and half. I don't know. Aaron Rodgers if he can play you have Aaron Rodgers a quarterback for him. Yes you do but in all honesty the last few games he's been getting it feels like the rush is getting to him a bit like even when it's not there it feels like he thinks it's there and Mace hasn't been getting hit all year What are you saying?

2:02:46I'm just talking about the game of football and what I'm seeing with these eyes. Is this all Pittsburgh you're speaking for or is this just yourself? I don't know, to be honest. I haven't called back home today to see. I haven't called back home to see how the Yinzers feel about it all. Certainly pumped up about a win. Seed. Against Joe Flacco. Certainly pumped up about something happening great there in Pittsburgh over a great weekend of celebrating Pittsburgh. That was crazy that the University of Pittsburgh, Pitt, had like its worst sporting weekend it's had on the weekend where everything was being celebrated about the city of Pittsburgh.

2:03:18That's kind of crazy. That's unfortunate. Good Notre Dame, too. Great. Yeah. Great Scranton women's basketball team. Great WVU men's basketball team. The women's volleyball team that they played against, very good as well. But on that note, Jeremiah Love is just different. He is literally just different. I think we're going to be talking to him on this particular program at some point. I enjoy his personality. I enjoy who he is. I like how he just seemingly is very transparent and authentic and very good. What was happening at the beginning of the season? Yeah, incredible movie-like spin move.

2:03:52I'm happy that they put that in slow motion. He wasn't getting the ball at the beginning of the season. Is that what was happening? Do we remember that? Against Miami, for sure. I can't remember the carries or whatever, but there was a lot of the questions about it. But they have found their role with him for now. Yeah, wasn't the role already found out last year? You would think so. This is what this is. Now, they got Price, too, I think, who's also a great running back. And I assume there's a lot of conversation about him potentially maybe playing somewhere else. So maybe you have to kind of figure that whole thing out.

2:04:18But it's like, this dude's a real deal. And he's, you know, they talk about Jonathan Taylor and the MVP odds and everything like that. It's like Jeremiah Love conversation for the Heisman should certainly at least pique a little bit of interest at some point. Yeah, it felt like early on it was the big time like, hey, the C.J. Carr kid doesn't want to play quarterback. If we just put eight guys in the box and try and stop Jeremiah Love, we'll beat the Irish. And then C.J. Carr, after those two losses, got very, very, very hot. And he is very good and everyone knows it now. And now it's opened up the middle just a little bit, just enough for him.

2:04:48I was a big-time, yeah, right, Notre Dame makes the playoffs guy beginning of season. Then you watch Texas A &M kind of do a Texas A &M. What a game. Yeah. What a game in A &M. Hey, now, obviously not good to have any of that on tape if you're a Texas A &M. Not good at all that you see that. But the fact that Elko now knows that his boys can come back whenever they're down 27 at halftime, I mean, that's a great little piece of history for your team to lean on during hard times in the future, which are certainly going to come. Did you lose faith in this Texas A &M team? I think we all did. But were you worried about them being completely not what we thought they were whenever they were getting their asses beat by South Carolina, AJ?

2:05:32I was a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I almost sent a text in to the group like, oh, something about A &M. Nothing like, but just saying like, wow, this is going to, how does this change the landscape of college football? And then I just continued to watch the game. I said, oh, these guys are actually going to do this. And it wasn't one of those comebacks where it's like everything completely fell into place. They had a huge turnover on their own red zone when they were going in, I know, later in the game, too. They had to continue to fight until the very end. It was very impressive. I think, ultimately, this will be great for their football team, the fact that they had to win like this.

2:06:02D-Bud, tell me a little bit about the conversation of them playing like ass, how should they be ranked, and then them having such a huge comeback, how should that be ranked and viewed? because in my eyes, and I don't think I'm the only one that views this way, but I've learned that not everybody views this way. The tough, close, hard wins, I think, are vital to your team. But I guess there's some people that are like, why would you have a tough, close game against South Carolina if you're Texas A &M? That builds character. I've heard some coaches say they like sometimes when they lose in the season, kind of humble, kind of get hit in the mouth, and you check yourself, you check your ego.

2:06:35But we saw with Indiana when they had to come back and that play we talked about, Omar Cooper, like, But this is callous. And on all these championship seasons or championship runs, we saw it last year at Ohio State. They lost to Michigan, lost earlier in the year to Oregon. You have those things. You learn from it. You build from it. Nobody has – I mean, LSU had a really dominant season. That Miami Hurricanes team where it was like if their defense only scored, you would still win, you know, 10, 11 games. But you rarely see that on a college or NFL level. So you learn from these moments. I'm sure Mike Elko likes this moment because now you see how your team is going to respond when they're back against the wall.

2:07:11And now if you're in this moment two, three, four, five weeks from now and you're sent down a couple scores in the fourth quarter, you know, hey, we got the guys that can get back in it. No panic going forward, you would assume, from Texas A &M. Not that they had it before. But much like you said there, AJ, I actually did put a tweet out. Is everything all right? Because I didn't have it on one of the quad boxes. South Carolina, Texas A &M, I apologize. There's a couple other games. I don't know about this one. And then I just see the score, and I think Gumpy goes, whoa and i go what it was like i think 20 something at the time or whatever and then it got even worse he was like even worse for elko i'm like what he goes 30 to 3 at halftime wow maybe texas a &m's a bunch of muppets you know starts turning a little bit because that looked bad bad very bad yeah so then i i literally just send out a hey is everything all right here like what what is is everybody sick like what is happening this is not who you were at all and then by the end of the game.

2:08:06You got to go ahead and update. Yeah, all's good, I guess. Largest comeback in Texas A &M history. Shout out to the SEC Network putting this graphic out. But yeah, all's even better than good. It's like, now they're super tested. Not that you need to be super tested and that's scared about situations happening, but I think that builds a lot of callous. I think that builds a lot of togetherness as well. Coaches and players alike. Yeah, SEC teams were 0-286 when down by 27 points. Now it's 1-286. I did see a lot of people say, if it wasn't for that sheriff telling Nick Harbour, get your fucking ass back on the field after he scored that touchdown.

2:08:43Yeah, but there was a boy at the end of that. Maybe the loudest boy at the end of that thing, if I had to guess, just kind of, I wanted to place myself in that tunnel just to see, okay, so when old buddy decided, not on my field, like what was that first response? touchdown walks by like is it immediate this is my land is that the immediate thought and then when he turns and sees them down the tunnel hey i'm protecting this tunnel hey you do enough on field you ain't doing it and then thinks to himself i need to let them know that this ain't how it goes because you know obviously they super slow mode it like they have everything it clearly extends on to hit them both this is just like what are you doing and why do you need to get down that tunnel at that exact time a lot of people have questions let's say you weren't trying to hit them.

2:09:32I had places to go. They were in my way. Why were they in a tunnel? They were supposed to be on the field. He potentially says. It's like, well, why did you intentionally hit them then as opposed to not trying to walk around them? It's a tight tunnel. You have no awareness. There's really no defense for the entirety of it all. And I do appreciate there's no out. And him walking back and following him. Yeah, I wasn't going anywhere. I was coming to hit you. I thought he was going to draw down on him potentially. Get down on 100 grand right now! At least Taser maybe. There's four of them. He realized in the middle of that tunnel once he had made contact with both of them, boom, he might be outwitted, outbashed, outmanned, outgunned in that entire thing.

2:10:08And the guy that he kind of just like very, you know, like the guy who he actually makes more contact with, he's not the problem. It's the other guy who kind of just got in his way a little bit. Like he didn't, you can see, he really. You. Yeah. He's the one who scored a touchdown. Yeah, 6 '5", 245. Yeah, you, you, you in my tunnel. He scored a touchdown. He stayed on the field. I do love how swiftly he was relieved of duty. Was it before the game was even over? Oh, yeah. That officer has been kicked out easy. He didn't see the comeback. He missed the whole comeback. It's an active Twitter account they run over there, too, the Texas A &M Police Department, whatever.

2:10:44That was one refresh. Saw it. Oh, that looks terrible. That can't be real. Nope. That's real. Whoa. And that feels aggressive for this time of life and everything that we're in right now. Obviously, everything's on camera, brother. Why would you even? That can't be real, isn't it? Nope, it is real. Oh, everybody's talking about, yep, as you should be. Next swipe. His ass has been fucking fired. All right. Okay. So we all saw this the same way, it seems like. Everybody literally was on the same exact page. And I would like to say, from my experience down at Texas A &M, these people love ball. These people love ball.

2:11:24No, I don't think they should love ball enough where a trooper goes down a tunnel and start a fight with active players who just scored a touchdown ball. But Texas A &M, good team, great football town. Great football town. That was a crazy scene to see there, though. Georgia beats the hell out of Texas. Yikes. Just beat the hell out of Texas. They're starting to get it. Kirby likes his guys, man. Kirby seems to have a good thing going there. I think these players are obviously bought in, but, man, I like what Georgia's doing. There was a quote coming out of Kirby talking about how people just want to check these days.

2:11:53They're going to want physicality, too. who's going to have to want physicality because we're going to hit you, and you'll get a check as well, but you are going to have to hit. This defense was questioned at the beginning of the season. They don't get the quarterback. The stats are nowhere near what it used to be. They don't have the same exact type of defense that they used to have, so everybody thinks they're having a down year, which maybe they were for a while. It seems like they're coming into their own at the right time, D-Butt, which is what you were alluding to. Absolutely, and winning at home.

2:12:16Like, they protect this home field. When is the last time they've been beaten? That's been a couple of years ago. But before home? Yeah, they had a 33-game win. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's going to be tough to beat them at home, especially at this point in the season. And whenever you're questioning a coach like Kirby Smart, like the toughness or like the defense, like that's when you're going to check that team and you're going to get their best foot forward. So Texas, they got hit in the mouth. I know some people are still trying to carry Texas water. Say, whoa, three lost team, get the playoff.

2:12:44No. No. No, you blew it. And on the flip side of that, George and the boys, they took care of business, man. I like this team and how they're playing right now. I like Gunnar Stockton a lot. He's got a great moxie. Okay, let's pivot away from college ball here very quickly, and let's go to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, a man that donned the midnight mode, okay? A dude who's an absolute dog. A man who will not stop until success happens. Poking a course here. Yeah, go! How are you, dude? What up, Oos? What up, Oos? Hey, thank you for joining us, Oos. Big day for those midnight modes. We thought you guys were never going to be able to talk about them again if you lost instead.

2:13:21Massive win. How do you feel? How do the boys feel? How do the Rams feel right now? Man, it was good. The boys got out the sauna this morning. I see my dog, B.Y. and Burstyn here. The dogs were barking yesterday, so it was good to see them boys out moving around this morning. But I gave my jersey away to Coop, so I'm like, I got one in exchange. So I'm like, I don't know if I'll have the midnight one hung up in a frame, but I'll have a Cooper Cup jersey, so I'm not mad about that. Okay, let's talk about you and Cooper Cupp's relationship. Obviously, he was a mentor-type guy in the wide receiver room for you.

2:13:50Now you have become the one. You have become the guy that defenses think about and fixate on, which obviously opens up a lot for every other weapon that's on that offense, including Devontae. Can you tell me a little bit about your relationship with Devontae Adams, and is he stoppable down on the goal line? Feels like that's a fucking layup, an actual layup at this point. No, literally, and I'm like, his celebration, he kind of messed it up because we were supposed to do some LeBron, D-Wade, alley-oop type thing. We had the hoop set up for the celebration and he didn't even dunk it. The photos look great.

2:14:22We got our rookie month being the little basketball hoop holding his arms and he didn't even dunk it. But it pretty much is unstoppable. We get inside the 10-yard line, it's like, all right, you probably should throw seven people at number 17. Tell me about Stafford a little bit. His beard looked phenomenal. The midnight mode feels great. He looks younger than ever. And then Tone actually pointed out yesterday, this guy's got massive calves. I don't think anybody's talked about the size of Matthew Stafford's calves until yesterday he was photographed with these things exposed. And there's vascularity down there.

2:14:56Ain't great girth. We're talking girth and vascularity on those calves, Puka. That's why the keeper game works so well. He's got freaking quads on his freaking calves. Look at those things. If I had those things, I could run and put my foot in the ground instantly. 20-yard dig routes speed. Tell me about Safford, though. He's spinning it, it feels like. Is he getting even better other than just his calves? Oh, my gosh. Like, the calmness and, like, his ability just to have the precedents to move his arm angles and to understand where the defense is. And, I mean, the thing we say in Mises is, don't look at my eyes.

2:15:30Don't look at my eyes. So I think it's so funny because it happens every day during the week, and then when it comes on Sunday, it's like it's even better than what we see on Thursday. God, AJ, what a catch, Pooker. Yeah, Puka, how fun is it to watch your defense when you guys, after your offense, get a touchdown, you go sit on the bench, get a drink, go over everything? Are you guys watching your defense like as a fan? Because I know as a fan of football, watching your defense play, especially the front seven, everybody, all three levels, they are rolling. And they, I don't know, they have bad intentions when they get to the ball.

2:15:57I'm sure training camp was fun going against them. But what's it like watching them progress throughout the year? Oh, it has been absolutely, it was, I think it was pretty cool. what Tay was asking. I mean, knowing that we had a big divisional game coming up this week, he was like, man, it just feels like this is an emotional game for everybody. I'm like, hey, Tay, as long as we do our stuff on our side of the ball, they may be seeing ghosts out there tomorrow on Sunday. The dogs are barking. I'm like, man, that boy versus B-Y, Fizz, Kobe. I mean, it was funny because I'm like, I remember watching Kobe Durant's pick.

2:16:33He had the same exact pick against Sam Darnold in the Vikings game last year. Like textbook, field out route, step underneath it. And it was like, it was just, it was music to my ears to be able to see them. Like just, yeah, I call them the dogs. The dogs are barking. They were going crazy yesterday and hitting on all cylinders. And it was fun because it makes our job a little bit easier, even when we don't get in the end zone. It's a young group over there. You know, you think Matthew Stafford's old ass. Got drafted with me and D-Butt. D-Butt has a question for you here in a second. He's old as shit.

2:17:03But you guys have a young nucleus that is just ready. And I love that the dogs are barking is the mindset for that entire defense. Go ahead, D. Absolutely. Your dog's barking. Seattle, they got some dog barking as well. This is NFC West as a whole. What's the mindset just going into these games week in and week out? You guys will definitely be callous for the playoffs. Is it a different mindset? I know you're trying to win every game. This is a big game for first place in the division. What's the mindset? What's the conversation going into these type of battles? um this one i think especially just with everything that happened in the offseason getting to see coop and especially some of the other guys that have just uh been with the rams and then going over there but uh it was one that uh we had i definitely had circled in everybody i mean leading up to it thursday practice is a little bit more physical everybody the defenses we're not talking to verse and by on uh on thursday practice because like i everybody buckle buckle up for practice but it's fun because when you go out there you send a message for the rest of the season and they're like alright wait when we see you again you know what's up hell yeah hey you still try to run people over dude yeah you're still trying to do that is that going to be for everything you think oh I'm never stepping out of balance that's soft that's not how football is supposed to be played how old are you 24 we'll talk to you tomorrow we'll see how it is You're an absolute beast, Oos.

2:18:23You're so much fun to watch. Literally, so much fun to watch. Oos, when you guys are coming out to a game, I haven't seen you in a while. I'm like, I feel like you're going out to the games. I know you're college game day. You're taking the picks. You're picking against the Cougs. And I'm like, what's going on over here? Well, listen. I saw you said that you love the Mormons, and then I feel like I didn't see you pick the Cougs. I was like, wait, where would it go wrong? It's different. I love Mormons. I mean, I'm from Pittsburgh. Love people from Pittsburgh pick Notre Dame. It's strictly business, as Coach Corso used to say.

2:18:51It's, you know, I am trying to have a perfect picks week one week. Okay? I'm trying my best because the odds get pretty immaculate up there. This past week, there was a couple isolated island picks. But I'll tell you what, Us, it's hard to pick against some fan bases because they're so mean if you pick against them. And I'll tell you what, you Mormons, not as mean. It's actually pretty nice. And I'm not saying that's why I do it, but I'm just saying it is a nice little feat of it all. I was going to say you'll probably get cookies made if you if you don't vote for them because then they're like they want you to vote for them next week so like they're trying to set it up and I know you were scared as could be when that boy ad pushed you off the table all right let's see he's still absolutely jacked do you ever see him still he's a monster he comes into the weight room and it's like somehow like the 180 like pound dumbbells just like appear in our weight room and I'm like what the hell are they what's going on and he's just like casually walking in with the cut off tee like yeah and you don't really see how jacked he is and then he stands up all right see ya yeah i'll get out of here yeah i'll get out of here yeah get the hell out yep he's awesome yep look at those biceps dude this is ridiculous yeah he's got vascularity in his abs you know i mean an absolute monster and he was great on the show i don't know if you watched the entirety of it but he was great he knew his shit he understood what was going on and it was a huge moment for him obviously number getting retired how's the season going how do you feel what a legend built good i'm like man i love i love uh i'm waiting for lebron to return honestly so i'm like it'll make football season a little bit better i'm like i'm planning to go to some laker games coming up soon the luka donchich i gotta see the boy i'm like um i watched that wemby game with steph curry the other day it was fantastic i'm like the nba season i'm like it's really starting to kick off that boy kd's going crazy um yeah i'm like you're asking about football and I went straight to basketball.

2:20:41I'm like, I enjoy basketball season. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, and in basketball, a huge part of your training, you've told us, obviously, big basketball fan. LeBron, though, you don't want to go watch the Luka show? You're not good with the Luka show? You need LeBron? No, Luka and Puka, I'm like, I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, if you would have a segment for us, that would be fantastic. Me and Luka, the Luka Puka with Big Oose, I think we could figure something. Yeah, I think L.A. Luka Puka with Big Oose. Yeah, I think we could definitely pull that off. All right, so we need... We get you out of Pittsburgh or Indianapolis and come over here.

2:21:13It's a far trip. You asked me about the game, coming to a game. That's a long way. Long way. Long way. It's sunny out here. It's California. Well, technically not right now, but. What is it? How is the weather out there? It's been raining. It's been terrible. I'm like, my family came out. I'm like, oh, this is so nice. It never rains. It feels 70 all the time and freaking rainstorm. That's no good. We didn't get to go to Malibu. Mom did enjoy that. But mom's cooking tonight. so mom's about to make some cookies tonight hopefully she makes some hamburger curry some hamburger curry would be great okay feels like you're putting it in order right now some corn beef and spaghetti I'm like mom please be watching Pat McAfee right now mama us you need this yeah am I allowed to say that is that how that works is there a female no no you're mama Nakua mama Nakua Yep.

2:22:07God, that's a great name. Mama Nakua making some cornbread spaghetti, I heard. Is that where we're eating that? Corned beef and spaghetti. Corned beef and spaghetti. Oh, Mama Nakua. Ship some of that to Indianapolis. Yeah. Yeah, we got back by there too. We'll eat a lot of corned beef and spaghetti out here. We got that trench cut still. It comes in the can. The spaghetti comes in the can, like the pop can. And like corned beef, it's all canned. Like you need a can over, cook it up. It's from like one of the Asian stores. trenches you gotta get it yeah it sounds like tonight's about to be awesome at the nicole well i i did wake up with uh sausage mcgriddle and a hash brown and a sausage mcmuffin this morning it was fantastic yeah you gotta do what you gotta do you're 24 years old you can do whatever the hell you want at this point and at some point you're gonna step out of bounds too and we're gonna watch it we're gonna watch it happen nope you can bookmark this right now i won't do it i'm like i i would be doing a disservice to the gentleman who played before me by stepping out of bounds.

2:23:04You're an animal. We appreciate you. First team All-Pro this year, going to happen, Puka Nakula. He's the best. He's the fucking best. He's the absolute best. The man. Everyone in that locker loves him. Everybody, I think, just in life. Yes, that too. We saw him show up at a thing for the ESPYs, and as soon as he got there, everybody just smiling, hair. His name's Puka Nakula. Great vibes. Great player. And then him saying, I'm not stepping out of bounds. I would disrespect all the men that played the game before me. What a line, A.J. Hawk. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. He's the guy that makes everybody around him happy, I feel like.

2:23:44I had a coach who always said that. I like being around dudes that make everybody feel good about themselves. I feel like that is Puka. Are you an energy vampire or energy giver? You know, that is kind of the two different sides of the coin that you could be. Puka Nakua is certainly an energy giver. Now, we put out a tweet that maybe takes some energy out of some rooms. every single Monday. I put out a tweet. I say, good morning. I hope you all are fantastic. I do hope that it's fantastic. Where do we all stand on the good morning? Have you heard this? No. Because morning kind of indicates a negative connotation.

2:24:18That's stupid. It's spelled differently. There's people that substitute the word morning so that there's no negativity. It's a good rising, good wakey. You're a moron if you do that. The Brian Ryzen guy? Who's doing this? That is I'm the person doing that. If that's immediately where your mind goes when someone says good morning is why would I mourn anything right now? It was a great day. Then you're a piece of shit and you need to change and alter your worldview immediately. Good morning has been said since the fucking cavemen and it will be said 2 ,000 years from now. So if you're one of the people out there that's doing that Just fucking stop doing it.

2:24:58Don't do that. And if you are doing it, you know why you're in a bad mood? Because nobody wants to be around you. Well said. Probably right. So what are you supposed to say? Good morning. Yeah. Like a normal fucking human being. AJ, I can see you as a grand rising king type of guy. I can't even respond to you, but I can think of myself say that. Great morning to all of you. Thank you. Great morning. It's my favorite thing to say. It's so easy. You can just kind of get it out for everybody. Morning, morning, morning, morning, morning. We do it in here to each other. Every person that walks in. Morning, morning, morning.

2:25:40Here's a fun little greeting. Starts the greeting. First, the delivery of it, too, kind of sets the tone for how the rest of the day is going to go. Yeah? Morning. Oh, Jesus. Think of a coach. Hey, think of a coach walking in there, team meeting, good morning, and then he doesn't get the good morning back he wants, and then he yells at him, I say, good morning. All right, everyone else, restart the meeting. Like everyone gets to come back in. It's so important to society. Good morning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy we got to the bottom of that. Had to. Anyway, so I put a tweet out and I say, good morning, beautiful people.

2:26:12Why don't you go ahead and utilize this particular post as a form of therapy for your fandom. All your emotions now. The best ones will actually make the show and all you have to use is. Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But And Ty Schmidt here, who just had his incredible take on good morning people versus not good morning people goes through them all and finds his best ones and the best ones. Ty, how was today's kind of pool of entries? I'd say pretty solid because yesterday was a great day of ball and there are a couple of fan bases who today are kind of just reality setting in. We're getting to the most important football and you got a pretty good idea of what your football team is right now.

2:26:55Well, let's go to somebody that thinks they have a great opportunity to celebrate at the end. This is from Tundigs. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But Christmas decorations went up this weekend. Football weather is here. Another heated AFC North race is happening. That only means one thing. Mason, the savior Rudolph season is upon us. Offense looked crisper. Line blocked a little better. Wide receivers a little more open. Running backs ran a little harder. might have a QB controversy in Pittsburgh. And then he found a photo from a church in Pittsburgh of Mason the Savior Rudolph here. Tone, would you like to explain whether or not that's an overreaction or just a standard reaction from not only you, but Yinzers everywhere with the Steelers?

2:27:42Mason has delivered for us in the past in our time of need. And we had a time of need yesterday in the second half, and he delivered again. And I'm not kidding. It did. everything looked just a little bit better in the second half yesterday for the offense. And I'm not saying that Mason needs to start over Aaron. I'm just saying if Mason needs to start over Aaron, if Aaron needs to take some time and heal up this risk, that things are going to be just okay. He stands in there. He takes shots. He's not afraid to throw it downfield. The mustache is unbelievable. I mean, you saw him. He was standing up there on Mount Washington with the I see light sign over his shoulder in those beautiful bridges in his Jesus outfit.

2:28:25That's how I feel about him right now. Yeah, it kind of has a Davidian's outfit too, I think. That's what I see more of. A little bit of Davidian. No, that's Jesus Christ. No, that looks like David Koresh a little bit. No, because I specifically told ChatGPT to put Mason Rudolph in a Jesus Christ outfit overlooking Pittsburgh. Yeah, but what I'm saying is ChatGPT said we can't do that for you. But we can offer up David Koresh, Mason Rudolph, overlooking Pittsburgh with the Iron City beer sign. Listen, if Koresh is going to bring a Super Bowl, I'm all in. See, that's part of the problem. But on that note, football time.

2:29:01The football time. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from R, Lord Zito. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Bears are going to win the Super Bowl. Our defense is even at full strength, and we will still lead the league in takeaways. 22 of them. He was putting that mat together as he was piecing it together. Zito's running the stats on the Chicago Bears team. We have the best coach in the league, and Caleb is balling. The monsters of the midway are back, baby. Screenshot of the NFC North leaderboard. They're the kings of the north, and they should be very proud of the team up there in Chicago.

2:29:36They should. Amen, Zito. Zito, he got a little skip and he step whenever he comes in after the victory stakes hit home. This Chicago Bears team feels special, feels different. Ben Johnson's able to go in there and flip an entire culture this quickly, AJ. Is that what we're seeing here? And should we talk a little bit more about Ben Johnson for Coach of the Year? Yeah, I think he should definitely be up for it. And we'll see. They still get to play the Packers two times. And that's why it's great. We're going to get to see who the best team in the North is. So, yeah, Ben Johnson's done an unbelievable job, I believe.

2:30:09What was the first couple weeks? They already wanted him gone. I feel like other people wanted him out of here saying it's not going to work. and now look at what they have done. They're legit contenders. Zete would say, whoa, whoa, whoa. Zete trusted Ben Johnson. He believed in Ben Johnson. Now, Zete will just follow whoever is the head coach of the Bears right off of a cliff from what I've learned, but he believed in Ben Johnson. I think they may be, and I'm not saying Zito this, but Zito's friends and other Bears fans, maybe they didn't believe Caleb was going to be a part of the solution as opposed to maybe a part of the problem as Ben Johnson comes in here and tries to win for the first time in a long time.

2:30:43Instead, those two have seemingly got along swimmingly, and I think he's only going to get better than Ben Johnson. Yeah, and I've been loving it. I don't know if you guys have been seeing it, but they've been having some like Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, like some mic'd up moments, and just a lot of things I wouldn't expect from Caleb. Like he's taking on more of that leadership role, more of the vocal leadership role. And whenever you're winning games, making winning plays late in games, that's a big deal, especially now at the midseason. But they're taking on the identity of Ben Johnson. They're running the ball well.

2:31:10They're playing good defense. The passing game still, I think, has a long way to go, but they have the talent at the quarterback position and the skilled position. Loveland, he's becoming a weapon week in and week out, and we know about Rome and DJ and all the other guys on the outside. So, yeah, the arrow's definitely pointing up on the Chicago team. Uh-oh. There's a Packers fan right there and right there, and there's a Lions fan right back there. Ben Johnson said, get me out of Detroit. Keep me in the NFC North. I'm going down to Chicago, and I'm going to run this thing. Are you okay, Foxy?

2:31:42Are the Lions fans okay with what's going on in Chicago? A lot of ball left, but I would say right now at this moment with how our offense looked last night and with what the Bears are doing, all I can say is there's something missing in Detroit, and could it be Ben Johnson? Maybe. Could it be Frank Ragnow? Maybe. But there's something going on with our offense. We just don't have the answers like we did last year or in past years. It's a little bit worrisome, but like I said, a lot of ball left. This is what Shrags was saying. This is what Shrags was saying before the season started. It is shaping up to be pretty awesome because, like AJ mentioned, two games with the Packers.

2:32:19Still that last game, we've had it a couple years now in a row here with the NFC North in particular. It's going to end up being Bears, Lions, winner goes to the playoff, loser goes home, especially with the Lions being out on the edge right now. We have the NFC Rhodes here for all the teams that lead the division to the playoffs. Obviously, the Bears are that team. You got the Packers twice. You got the Niners, the Lions, the Eagles, the Steelers. That's a tough road, okay? Cleveland at home is good news for Chicago. But whenever you think about it, if the Bears are able to go through this gauntlet and get to the playoffs and still be in the lead, I think we'll all be believers.

2:32:52Yeah, for sure. Good, better, best right there. It's starting to happen. Never lay the risk until your good is better and your better is your best. If they were able to get through that entire thing, I mean, that would be quite a murderous row. We're happy for you, Chicago Bears fans. You guys have obviously been through it. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This one's from Noah at RealXClarity. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Broncos are back, baby. Fraud this, fraud that. Only two losses by four combined points. Best D in the league and Bo Nix with the most fourth quarter comebacks in a QB's first two seasons in NFL history.

2:33:24Wow. He's Elway reincarnated for our lucky selves to watch. God bless Bo Nix. I'll tell you what. But Sean Payton loved Bo Nix whenever he drafted him. And, you know, last year, obviously, they go through their growing pains to get very good this offseason. Is the quarterback a guy or not? Feels like in the biggest moment here, he played his best ball. And Sean Payton offensively, we assume, is always going to be good unless he's getting de-cleated or de-jordined by refs on the sideline. That Broncos team is exactly who we thought they were, it feels like, AJ. Yeah, their defense obviously stands up when they need them against the Chiefs.

2:33:59and it's hard for me to get that image out of Sean Payton getting blasted on the sideline. Yeah, you got to stay out of the white. You know, those refs will come screaming down that sideline. Sean Payton gets hit right in the back, has no idea what happened. Yeah, penalty on him, I guess, but, man, that's a tough look. Oh, my goodness. Good sell by the ref. Yeah, ref does full sell, full body roll. Sean Payton also wants to fight the guy, I think, and two flaps go down. What if he didn't charge him? What if he started bear crawling after him? He did eyeball him there afterwards. I wonder if he was like, what the hell is your problem?

2:34:28And then the ref's like, well, you're my problem at this moment. I don't know how that goes. Sean Payton hanging. The drive-by flag of the ref. Tosses it up and just keeps running. Look at him. That's a flag, pucker. Lance right in his feet. I didn't even see the drive-by one. Lance perfectly at Sean Payton's feet. He's definitely driving. Lance right in his feet. What a toss. Oh, shit. that's a flag one time he's down somebody's watching I gotta get my guys back running full speed go ahead and toss that thing bang that's a flag geez that's good work that's amazing alright yeah hey congrats so you guys need to stop taking these big shots on the sideline let's go to the next overreaction shall we this one is from Ethan Toddter hashtag I don't want to overreact But I hate having hope going into a season.

2:35:32The window is closed. Blow everything up and go back to poverty. Jared Goof couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last night. I'd rather put the bags back on and change show the team. We're calling for paper bags over our heads again, Foxy. We cannot be this fan base. This is the worst tweet I have read in like 20 years of being on Twitter. I hate this tweet. This is the worst fan ever. Get this guy out of Detroit. Okay, we went 0-16. First in NFL history to go 0-16. This guy wants to go back to that. We had Matthew Stafford for 12 years. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL.

2:36:13He's got the Rams playing great. He won a Super Bowl for them. We couldn't even win a playoff win with the guy. That's how bad we were as a franchise. That's how bad we were at hiring coaches, getting the right guys around them, offensive line, run game, you name it. Matthew Stafford didn't win one single playoff game, and now we're 6-4. We just lost to the defending Super Bowl champs, and this guy, this guy, Ethan Toter, wants to go back to the paper bag days. I'm out on this guy. This guy sucks. No, Foxy. Ethan speaks for a lot of people up there in Detroit. No way. I hate any fan that thinks this way.

2:36:47I hate anyone that doesn't like Jared Goff, by the way. Yes, he played pretty bad last night, and that's going to happen from time to time against the best defense in the league. But that guy won us a playoff game, all right? That guy started out terrible, and everyone said, get him out of town. And he stuck with it. MCDC stuck with it. Won us a playoff game. Got us the NFC Championship. Never happened in my life. And this guy, this fan wants him out of town. He sucks. Ethan Toter. Toter sucks. Is it true? Was he – I saw somewhere that Goff was wearing mittens last night. That's not true. He just wore two gloves.

2:37:17No, no, mittens underneath his gloves. I saw that same exact thing. I didn't see that. Mittens wear your finger. It's not individual fingers. Like sticky band. Oh, this one, the one that folds over. So he had the Nike ones that wore the glove, and then they flipped right over in between. Sliding gloves almost. Allegedly, Johnny Morton was walking around the sideline going... It's easy, huh? So easy. Good call on every fourth down walking by. Nice call, dickhead. He was picking it, maybe. Johnny Moe last night lays his head down. Just like I fucking said. We've got to remember what Tone said last week.

2:38:02Last week was Commanders. MCDC called those plays. This week was the Eagles. Johnny Moe called those. Next week, we're back to the Giants. MCDC gets those. Week after that, Johnny Moe gets the Packers, and then we just keep going back and forth. Not a bad idea, especially if you're a head ball coach. Yeah. But on that note, I don't like seeing the Jared Goof thing again from Toter. This man's a new man. This man's getting his name chanted around the entire city. I saw worse than that. You're saying Ethan Toter was coming along and being kind versus what everybody else was doing? I saw a pretty big NFL account say Jared Goff when it's whatever degrees are colder.

2:38:39Make sure of Orlovsky. Oh, no. Let's ask him how he feels about this. That's a shot at a couple people there. They'll just put out a list. If you I forget. If you delete drops and weather under 30 degrees and offensive line missing their assignments and something else, then these are the top five quarterbacks. Orlovsky put that tweet out? And EPA. Goof is number one. And plus, Orlovsky hearing that he would be compared to Goof, he's licking his chops. No. Remember, guy's a lot to have bad game. Now, him showing up with two gloves when he never does that, kind of worrisome. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the guy who people are saying is actually Jared Goff under 50 degrees of weather, ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky.

2:39:26Good boy, Dan O. Dan O, I know you got TV in a couple minutes. We apologize for interrupting your pre-show routine. I know you have to meditate and all that shit. So the thought of them saying Jared Goff at his absolute worst is Dan Orlovsky, how do you feel about that? And why did Jared Goff not play good? That's fucked up. I'm saying it. I'm telling you it's fucked up. I don't like it, but it is what's happening. What happened to Jared Goff? and why does he wear two gloves sometimes and not all the time? Yeah, I would tell you what happened to him was the Eagles defensive line exposed the Lions offensive line.

2:39:57That was the best front that the Lions offensive line has played all season long, probably since at least week one Green Bay. And the Jalen Phillips-Carter combo is just dominant right now. Jordan Davis, Ojo Moe, Hunt. I think Jared was 0 for 12 last night under pressure. So it was more so the Lions offensive line just getting dominated. And then sticky coverage. I don't know why he's wearing two gloves. My guess is the temperature and the, you know, the trying to keep grip on the ball as much as he can. I know it was windy last night. I don't necessarily take offense to Jared being me under certain weather.

2:40:32So, but that was more Philly's defensive line, kicking the absolute you-know-what out of the Lions offensive line. Foxy, please run it. Yep. That's what they said, Dan. I don't like it. That's good. When he has to play outside of a dome without a perfectly climate-controlled environment.

2:40:53That's a good tweet. The internet, man. It's so good. Yeah, NFL means good account, too. Good account. They stay ahead of the game. And I thought this was rude to both parties because Jared Goff is a great quarterback. We think he has proved he's a great quarterback. Everybody wants him not to be. You have a bad game, they're going to attack you. It's more of a knock on Jared than it is. Jared the one who should be offended, not me, right? Like, I'm constantly getting an uptick. Yeah, no doubt. No, you should be offended, too. Nah, I don't give fudge. Yeah, you fudge it all, dude. Good luck on TV.

2:41:25We appreciate the fudge out of you, dude. Later. And mother fudging Orlovsky. And one more thing on Poder's tweet. He wants to go back to the days. No disrespect, because I see Dan is still. He wants to go back to the Orlovsky days. And that's why I told her he's a terrible fan for the Detroit Lions. Dan, this is uncalled for. I just want to let you know that, Dan. This is outrageous. Oh, it's so fudge and rude. Dan, we mute him. All right, Dan. Thank you, Dan.

2:42:00That was tough times there for Dan Orlovsky. If you don't have any expectations, then you can't be let down, I guess, right? So you just expect to be terrible? Is that what they want? I've heard a coach say that if we win too much here, people are going to expect us to win a Super Bowl, and then when we can't do that, then we're all going to get fired. You heard a coach? Oh, that must have been a Hall of Fame coach. Nope. Nope. Ask coach, yeah. Shocking. It wasn't coach for my team, but I heard in conversation for other team, and I immediately go, wow, that's a cancer in the building if you get that mindset or mentality in there.

2:42:36Wow. Sounds like that's what a fan mindset potentially is. If we're too good right now, expectations will get crazy. We just need to remain ass so then we get down to the game, we fucking get a hot dog, maybe Eminem will be here. Speaking of breaking news for the Detroit Lions, you are not ass and your Thanksgiving performances are only going to get better. Eminem has signed on to become the conductor. Executive producer. EP of the halftime shows. We all remember the Jack Harlow experiment that happened a couple years back. So good. Jack bamboozled, I believe, there by the setup and everything.

2:43:15This year's halftime show for Thanksgiving game for the Detroit Lions, Jack White. Good selection.

2:43:36You know where he's going? Wichita, dude. Okay. And he's going to Detroit for Thanksgiving. His hometown. I genuinely don't know how many songs he has to play or needs to play. But, boy, if you just play that one, I think it'll be a much better success than anything else going on anywhere else. What other bangers does he have? All of them. I know everyone knows that one. Yeah. All of them. Got a lot. Not everyone does know that one we learned this morning, actually. Really? D-Bone doesn't know. Yeah. D-Bone? D-Bone doesn't know. Is that Jack White too? No. No, no, no. That's Matt Damon. Who was the guy freestyling in the Steelers locker room?

2:44:15Oh, you're talking about Matt? I thought that was Eminem. You're talking about Matt. I did too, initially. Harry Mack, I believe is his name. He's outrageous. I mean, he's outrageous. He was able to get Biblioteca, I believe, in there at some point. You know, just a freestyler brain. Unbelievable rhymes. I do wonder how many rhymes he has at all times in his brain. He's just off the top every time. And he gets a word from 10 different people. And then he has to go back through it, obviously, and memorize what everybody's word is. And then he just kind of goes down the line. And through it all, you know, telling a story while freestyling.

2:44:49He's an impressive being. I've seen him on the internet for some years now. And he has the ability to do the most absurd thing. As soon as he walks in there and says, I need some words. Somebody says, orange. He says, I do it literally all the time. Thank you so much. No problem. And he's like, that's kind of his gimmick. Him traveling around, he was the creator of the week or something like that? The NFL's creator of the week? I think the NFL is trying to reach out to more creators to do stuff. Still has got the Wiggles or Kids Bop next week? Or who's next up for this? I don't know who the next creator of the week would be, but I do know that they want to know now.

2:45:21That's a good point. What happened to the Rams? I saw a new O's. Was there a new O's? Oh, no. It was just a segment on Sunday, NFL countdown of O's doing it. and who knows when they did it. It might have been like before the season, but it was, you know, classic goes, play the hits, do all the same shit he does in every NFL locker room. Hey, Stafford, I want you to stand up here and think of who you're going to throw the ball to. Just think of who you're going to throw the ball to. And we, I mean, we've all seen, you know, this song and dance. He throws it to Devontae. Devontae, stop. Go ahead and take this permanent marker and write down the score at the Super Bowl.

2:45:52Visualize it in your mind. The team you're going to play as well. What do you know? He gets that too. But let's take it a step further. Matthew I want you to you know after Devontae who else are you going to throw to and what do you know no way the two other guys that Matthew's thinking of put their jersey numbers together boom on Devontae's palm 23-14 they're beating the Broncos in the Super Bowl unbelievable but you know it's I mean actually sick it's good it's good stuff but it is just kind of the recycled O's experience yeah but every time you think he's not going to get it right that's the well This motherfucker don't miss.

2:46:28I don't know if everybody thinks that. I certainly think that. Well, that's the thing is there's always the chance that he's going to miss it because he's so aggressive. But then I was also thinking. No, it's not. He doesn't miss. Well. It's O's. I know, but that's the part of the whole. I've seen him miss once with a bunch of fucking people. No, but that was tough. I think that was, once again, that was very aggressive. Like, the things he tries to do, it feels are very, very, very, very aggressive. Right. But you knew. Exact scores, exact this, exact that. Yeah. You knew that wasn't going to happen because it was a pre-produced segment on NFL Countdown.

2:47:01Now, it would have been funny. Oh, so you're saying, hey. It would have been pretty sweet if you had just, like, fucked up and they would have been like, boy. Gotta keep it. I wouldn't have ran that one. So sorry that that happened. But you can see Magic is, you know, you never know what's going to happen with it. Every time, though, I get worried for them. Like, any time I'm up there with them, I have a general sense of anxiety. Just like, oh, man, you're going really, you're really going for it right now. Yeah. You're really going for it. Like, this is way too much. All right. And then he has had me be a part of a couple of them.

2:47:29I'm like, bro, I don't do that. Like, don't have me be a part of this shit. Like, I don't want to fuck this up. You know, like, you're going to think of a school. You're going to think of a school. You're going to think of a school or whatever, a university. I'm like, okay, which one do you want me to think of, buddy? So many. So I just think of them. Like, yeah, there's 130 in fucking D1. They're all pretty good. It would be fucking sick if I dropped some random one on you. Scranton. But I don't want to fuck it up. Yeah, maybe Scranton. You ever heard of them? Fucking great women's basketball.

2:47:57so it's always a lot. He's always very aggressive. Pin numbers, like, hey, what's a super personal, super specific number? Pin numbers. Dude, jersey numbers, what is a specific score? He's just very aggressive. Kind of like career on the line every time you do that. Yes, that's everything he does. It's like, bro, I don't think you have to go that far. The one to Darius was the most impressive one I've ever seen. And the phone? Yeah, that was nuts. To get the name number one and then the emoji. But also, that's aggressive there. very extremely great fucking the shit he had taped to come in like yeah live was that detroit yeah yeah that was wild as well he also just posted i think it was on the today show or good morning america and he basically had this guy who was interviewing him he was doing his whole shtick and uh he said like think of the person that you would want to you know interview dead or alive and the guy is talking about how like i've never told said this to anyone told anyone about this and then right before they shook hands, O's goes, change your mind, change your mind, change your mind right now.

2:48:58And the guy changes his mind and he goes, Bob Marley. And the guy was just like. What the fuck? And the guy like couldn't even speak. I was thinking Bob Marley, I didn't see that. Because the guy was thinking, you were thinking of Bob Marley? I swear to God, when you first said it, the first question. Con man, wait a minute. I said Bob Marley. I swear to God. And I haven't seen what. Whoa. That's crazy. You little O's puppet guy here. Maybe you have the ability, brother, to reach. If I was ever an O's puppet, shoot me in the fucking head. I don't think you would know if you were. That's a good point.

2:49:30That's O's football. You're right. Yeah, but he's, yeah, all of it is just so very aggressive. Like, you're really. Even if he messes up, I think he's good enough to talk his way out of it and craft it into something else. Maybe. See, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't leave himself a lot of outs. Like, that is what I'm saying. Like, everything has to be exact. because he does callbacks in his fucking shit. Yeah. And it's like everything has to be there for it all. It's stressful. I don't know how he gets through it. It would be an interesting read. I kind of do want to get his book just to see what it says in there, but then I think he's just going to gimmick the whole thing like, I told you to buy this book and now you're fucking reading it.

2:50:08How about that? Last page. Yeah. Gotcha, bitch. Let's go to another overreaction, shall we? This is from Drew Cowgill. Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But the Vikings are dead. Nine is the second coming of Christian Ponder. Another superstar wide receiver's career being wasted in Minnesota. Fuck this, dude. I don't think we can say that about nine just yet. I'm down. To say what? To say that about nine just yet. What about Drew Calgill, though? He needs a little bit of hope. Nine's not done. Nine can't get a lot better. This is basically his rookie year. Well, it's tough. And yes, I do agree.

2:50:43He's only played fucking 10 games. I have a feeling if Nick Mullins was starting there six and four right now. Aaron Rodgers, too, potentially their quarterback. Sam Darnold, potentially their quarterback. Now people are saying Sam Darnold last night is exactly what we thought Sam Darnold was going to be, which is why we didn't want him. Sam Darnold's going to have to fight through that for the rest of his career until he wins the Super Bowl, which we think Seattle potentially could. But there's a lot of quarterbacks not at Minnesota that could be at Minnesota right now. Danny Dimes was in that building.

2:51:08That was potentially a guy he's going on to obviously lead the Indianapolis Colts, the things that we've never done before. So there's a lot of Minnesota Vikings fans thinking, what if, I think, too. A lot of what ifs because of where they were last year and where they could have been. And Kirk Cousins even a couple of years back. There's just so much what if with how good a team is. And then you watch him literally miss. I mean, there's some misses that are like little league type stuff misses. Then there's some throws that get made late that are like must-haves that happen. Then there's some fastballs that take place where you don't need a fastball.

2:51:41And then there's some misses where we don't need it that are kind of low. It's like he has the ability, I think, somewhere in there to make the big plays. he's going to have to work to that, though. So maybe his first offseason, this upcoming offseason, he'll be able to make a huge leap. Is that the expectation, AJ? I would assume so. But, I mean, if Santos misses that kick, is anyone upset with J.J. McCarthy and the Vikings? Are they sweeping under the rug, hey, we're good to go. This guy's a gamer. NFC offensive player a week ago. 120 yards. He's talking about nine. Yeah. I mean, that's what I think they need to do.

2:52:13I think they need to do a human sacrifice, go get like a crash test dummy, put the J.J. McCarthy jersey on him, and then take a rocket launcher or a machine gun and just... You got to fucking kill nine. Give him a different number. He needs a new number. Oh, there you go. Change jersey, you can do that. That'd be sweet. 40. Bear Bachmar. 47. 47. What number would look good, Diner? He can't be nine anymore. What about 99? What about 12? Loves Tom, right? Yeah, let's put him in Brady's number. That won't go bad.

2:52:51I think it's so bad. I think it's Def Com 5 up there. They had 14 wins. And going into the season, there were some people who I won't name were basically saying like, hey, look, they're going to be better than they were last year. They might not win the same amount of games, but they're going to be better. And then you think about it. Sorry. Keep going. Keep going. Just got lost in a new number. Yeah, but you're right. There were people with high expectations for nine. Yeah. Seven. What are you looking up? I was going to say, what number is Christian Potter? because they may have been playing into this thing the whole time.

2:53:21For him to change his number? Yeah, but I don't remember because, like this guy mentioned, Christian Potter was pretty shitty. He was out pretty quickly in Minnesota. Let's go to completion percentages in the KOC offense out there in Minnesota. Nick Mullins, 70.3. This guy was spinning it. Yeah. Kirk Cousins, 67.1. Donald, 66. Carson Wentz, remember him over there? 65. Dobbs, 62.9. JJ McCarthy, 52.9. But once again, he's not technically a rookie, but kind of. Yeah. And this was a massive bet that the Minnesota Vikings placed on J.J. McCarthy because they knew they had a team that could go on a run.

2:53:52And are they saying, did I hear it right? Justin Jefferson's getting frustrated? Oh, yeah. I don't think that's true. Is that true? He was frustrated yesterday, big time. I mean, think about Justin Jefferson. You throw it 10 feet in the area and he'll catch it, and this guy can't even do that. Yeah, his catch radius is maybe the largest in the NFL. He's still controlling it, though. Oh, yeah. He wanted to slam his hand. Great teammate. And then he had a great block, a touchdown on the touchdown run, circling the C. So he's holding on to hope, I think. That was a good circle, by the way, especially with the angle that the C was.

2:54:29But I agree. I think Justin Jefferson is a great leader, and I think the way he's always talked about it, especially whenever they chose to go to J.J. McCarthy with all the success he's had with everybody else. I'm saying, hey, it's his team. I'm just here to hopefully make him better. Addison the same way. So I hold nothing against him. But, boy, that's going to be tough. That's a tough pill for them all to swallow. They're fighting for number one seed in the NFC. And then now it's like, can we beat any good teams? I don't think so. I mean, Justin Jefferson, I understand him being a little bit frustrated.

2:54:56I'm okay with that. I'm all right with it. He's not going and getting in his quarterback's face on the sideline. He's frustrated in the lack of production on the offense. Yeah, he's allowed to be. And on that note, it looked like the overthrow Olympics for a while. It did. This game. Both of them. Just overthrow. And then you got Matt Stafford spinning it, and you watch him throw it. It's like never missing. That guy's never missing a thing. And then you see Josh Allen doing his thing, and it's like never missing. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, are they dead? Until they have 10 losses. Who do they have this time?

2:55:30They're not comfortably. That's right. That's why we put a question mark on. They have a good bounce back opportunity this week? Colts. Offer by. That is a good opportunity because Colts are a really good team. So if they beat them, here we go. Both ways. Yeah. True. In the Colts, we don't know what Shane Steichen is off a bye week. We have no idea. You know how they always have those stats? Like, hey, insert name of coach here after a bye, a lot of games, and then this. We don't know about Shane because Shane's not really had a football team since he's been a head coach. True. He had like 14 different quarterbacks at different times.

2:56:02Almost took Gardner Minshew to the damn fucking Super Bowl. Boy. What? It's a fucking murderous row for the Colts to finish. I'm just saying that. I mean, the Jags are for real, man, too. Jags, yeah, they just ponded the Chargers. Texans defense? Absolutely ponded the Chargers. Yeah, Texans defense good. Can't see Chiefs. Niners are good again. Seahawks in there. This is a good-looking row, boys. I mean, the Pat sketch was pretty tough, too. Let's not sleep on that one, too. Yeah, I mean, the Bengals, difficult squad, especially after what just happened with Steelers. The Giants, you never know what you're going to get with them.

2:56:37It was nice to see Scadaboo and Jackson Dart at the game. It was. Super, super, super, super fucking dope. That was super dope. I liked the way that was being reported. Supporting our teammates. Look at these guys. Good teammates coming to the game. Watch our teammates. Where the hell are they supposed to be? I don't know. Kick it in Sunday. I don't know. Scat's everywhere. There you want to go. Scat is everywhere. He's beloved. He was at the UFC fight. I saw a lot of people wanting to take photos with him. He was obviously, I think, at the Knicks game. He's showing up to work, which is super dope.

2:57:12Home game. Yeah. Jordan Schultz reporting on the arrival. I think it's super dope that both Jackson Dart and Cam Scadaboo pulled up together to support their Giants teammates. That's right. He's showing up to support. That is fucking super dope. It is. Yeah, and Deebot had a response, obviously. And I agree. Showing up to work is pretty dope. Pretty good response, Deebot. Normally, you can't hear all the sarcasm and condescendingness in a tweet. But that one read really clear. It did. It read really clear. Love Jordan, man. We do. And I do like spotlighting a positive. You know, Scott and Jackson Dart come to support the teammates.

2:57:48That is good. Yeah, we can't be acting like that's just a heroic thing to do. Like that is just like a part of the thing. Like you're a part of the team. You're a quarterback. You're also a rookie. Kind of a requirement. Yeah. But I need backup quarterbacks getting equal reps. Going forward. I agree. Put it in the CBA. Yeah. Well, CBA, we'll talk about report cards with the NFL and the NFLPA with J.J. Watt on Wednesday. He is very excited for that discussion. Can't wait. He is. We could talk about it now. We could have talked about it on Friday. We could talk about it tomorrow. But it would all be a wasted conversation until J.J.

2:58:28Watt gets on here. So this is a teaser. On Wednesday, J.J. Watt has a lot to say about the NFL and the NFLPA's report card gimmick that's currently out there right now, where the NFL has said to the NFLPA, yeah, we're not doing it. We're filing a grievance. You're not allowed to do these report cards anymore. J.J. has some thoughts, and we'll talk to him about that on Wednesday. I think he's going to be on the player side. Sure. I can't wait. It's a good team. He is an owner. You never know. You might see the other side of the coin now. Good point. Wow. Do they do him over there? No, they just kind of ship them out.

2:59:06What do you mean? I mean, his soccer team. Do his soccer teams get report cards done on them? I wonder if Espanol is doing that. Maybe they just ship them out of town if they vote bad. Maybe it's a setup. Hey, what do you think of our building? Guy gives an F. Sweet. Get him out of here. We're selling you for 250 euro a week.

2:59:29Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? We do not know if there's report cards. Let's go to Jared at Jared's 53. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But the Eagles can't run the ball. The Eagles can't throw the ball. The Eagles can't control A.J. Brown. You know what else the Eagles can't do? Lose. Keep counting them out. All you dumbasses will learn when they repeat. Hashtag fly. The Eagles fly. Hashtag go birds. Coop looks super cool up there in the owner's suite. Love that he rides or dies with this Philadelphia Eagles side. and I love the fact that they think that they can't do anything.

3:00:04And I love that there's so much drama, so much controversy, so much shit being talked in and or around the Philadelphia Eagles at all times. And now we got people saying that that's Jared Goof and that's how good the Philadelphia Eagles play all the time. This team somehow performs at its highest whenever it's its loudest when normally that is not the case at all, Tone. Yeah, it's kind of like they're the new Chiefs. Like the numbers are not good. Like throwing the ball, running the ball, they are not correct. but the defense over the last few weeks has come alive since the additions that they have made.

3:00:36And all they do is win games. And they've earned the credit to where we cannot question them anymore because all they do is win, and they do it every single year, and then they get to the Super Bowl, and they win that game too. So it doesn't even matter how they look right now. You know who helps out a lot whenever you get to trade for Jalen Phillips. You know, you trade for Jalen Phillips. And then Hembo sends us a stat. And Jalen Phillips has only been on the team for a couple weeks, But whenever he's on the field, the other team's quarterback, 16.7 QBR. Whenever he's not on the field with this defense, 55.9.

3:01:06So this guy has certainly been a part of some destruction of game plans on the other side of the ball. And shout out to the Dolphins still winning after moving on. But it feels like this Philadelphia Eagles team just reloaded, restocked. And even though there's so much drama, they don't care, AJ. They just win games. Yeah, they just win. I believe I saw a stat where they've won, what, 24 of the last 27 games. Is that true? Because these guys know how to win. Like they absolutely know how to win. Yeah, it doesn't look great. And you're going to say, hey, this is going to come back and bite them in the playoffs when it matters.

3:01:36This defense, though, they are absolutely rolling at all three levels. And they're fun to watch. And that's like we say, if you have a defense that can dominate a game, I think you always have a chance to win it all. And you talk about teams that win or are in contention year in and year out. We always say it starts from the top down. and how whenever there's an opportunity to make this team better, he goes out and put it out there. And go and get a Phillips. Go and draft Campbell, even though you have Dean who was banged up. And Kobe Dean being back, he's been great. Zach Bond, they went and found him, paid him.

3:02:07Like this defense, Jordan Davis drafted him. He's playing great. Like it starts up front, but on the back end, Cooper, the safeties. Quignon Mitchell, I mean, he is unbelievable. Probably the best press corner down in and down out in the NFL right now. So they have all the pieces. Offensively, they definitely got to figure it out and score more points. But you're talking about winning ballgames. Like, if you look at Sirianni and where he ranks amongst coaches and wins in their first however many games, he's up there with probably, I would assume, surrounded by all Hall of Famers. So they find a way to win games regardless of where they are in the season.

3:02:41So, I mean, fuck. And any time you see him on the headline, it's what's wrong with the Eagles? A.J. Brown. Can they do this? Can they do that? And we'll look and be a week 18, and they'll be fucking 15-2. That's Eagles football. That's Sirianni football. Always noise, always winning. And they have to cycle coordinators as well. It's a beautiful thing. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Aaron Clinton. At, hi, my name is Ninja. What's up, Ninja? Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But? Chiefs are dead. O-line worse than last year. Nagy hates winning again. Defense look lost all game.

3:03:15What are we doing? Trade Rice, X, and Brian to Chicago. Bring Joe back here and run the fucking ball under center. Hashtag same old chefs. Wow. Jeez. A lot of Chiefs fans bummed out, Ty? Yeah, a lot of Chiefs fans bummed out. And I don't know why, but, you know, people just don't like Matt Nagy. He's taking a lot of strays. I was like, how much is this guy actually doing? But Chiefs fans, they think he's the one calling the plays, calling the defensive plays, making the special teams decisions. People fucking hate Matt Nagy. Not everybody. Not everybody, but a lot of people. A lot of people. That's life in football, especially when you were a head coach and it didn't go well.

3:03:56And whenever you're known by everybody. And when you go to a dynasty and obviously have immediate success, but then it unravels, you're going to be the one that's, well, is it Andy Reid? No. Is it Patrick Mahomes? No. No. So it's got to be this other guy. Yeah, it's not Steve Spagnuolo. Nope. and it's not Tobe, special teams guy. No. Why is this other guy around? Not any of the players. No, we've seen them. They're all Hall of Famers. They've won before. Why is this guy... This guy fucking drafted Mitch Trubisky. Get him out Get him the fuck out of time Good luck out there, Negi. And to the Chiefs, we don't know if you're dead, but I don't like even talking about it.

3:04:35Let's go to the next ever reaction, shall we? This one's from Sir Thane. Hashtag, is that something? I couldn't tell, and his profile picture was just kind of like a black blob, so I wasn't sure. Is that from a movie? That's not a video game or something. It might be some anime bullshit that I don't know about, but I'm not sure. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but I hate Todd Bowles as a coach with all my heart and being. Can't believe I got duped into thinking he's a decent coach for 10 seconds. Bucs D got ran over faster than Mufasa getting crushed by the stampede. How sad. That was very sad and fast.

3:05:10Let the Bulls era end. Hashtag fire Todd Bulls. Is that how Tampa's feeling after what happened against the Beals? Yeah, this was basically every Tampa Bay overreaction was like, Todd Bulls sucks. It's time for this to end. He's the head coach, obviously defensive coach as well. He's going to be the one that's going to feel the heat if a quarterback does something historic against you on a Sunday in the NFL season. I think this team has been good, though. And on defensive side, it feels like they unload the clip early and maybe get everybody confused. And then if you can figure it out, you're in a good spot.

3:05:42If you can't, you're going to be underwater for its entirety. I don't know if you can win a lot of playoff games against a lot of great players like that. AJ, what are your thoughts on the Bucs' defense? Because I think we're just singing their praises a couple weeks ago. Yeah, obviously, the Vita Bayad starts up top. That guy is unbelievable. but yeah I don't know I I would chalk this one up to hey we ran into an absolute juggernaut Josh Allen's awesome he's a stud we were playing at their place yeah they did turn him over early they turned him over twice and got two picks on credit to Josh Allen for coming back from that but I don't know I can't count the bucks out but yeah this was concerning but I would say hey we ran into a guy who was playing lights out he scored six touchdowns on us let's move on to next week yeah let's move on as fast as possible and it sounds like they're trying to do that from coach Todd Bowles.

3:06:23He'll stay isolated from it, though. He won't hear the noise. They'll keep going. They've got a lot on the line still, that Buccaneers team. Let's go to the next overreaction. This one's from AJ Swings at Dog Axe Fish. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Rams are frauds. In a game where we got vintage Sammy Ghost Donald throwing four picks, the Rams only squeaked out a two-point win on a missed field goal attempt. Hawks still run the West. AJ Swings says that's one game for Sam. That's not the rest of the season. We played our worst ball and they only won by two. Sounds fake to me. How do you feel about that take from dog X?

3:06:57That's exactly how a Seahawks fan, which I assume that guy is, is supposed to feel after that game. You throw the ball away four times and you only come up short by two points. I feel them. I don't think that's an overreaction. You heard Puka talk about him. They still got a bunch of dogs barking over there. And I love the fact that the Seahawks, they clearly still have Sam Darnold's back. You heard some of his teammates speak after the game about him. So I think Sam will bounce back from this one. Yeah, actually said, hey, you got something to say. Fuck you. I love everything about that. Who was the?

3:07:27Ernest Jones IV, who was also kind of in the rumor mill during the trade deadline. So for him to say that, that's pretty awesome. Yeah, I love the way he sticks up for his team. I think it's an incredible culture. And also, Jason Myers hits all the field goals for the team all game. He's been like a steady, steady, steady person for that Seattle Seahawks team throughout all the years. Him missing that 61-yarder is a heartbreaker. He had a hell of a game. Yeah, he did. Had a hell of a game and then has a 61-yarder to win this thing. And that thing just drifts to his right on a slice. If he hits that a little cleaner, I think it goes through, obviously.

3:07:59But Jason Myers does big – has a huge game for the Seahawks. Can't take it home. I guess you should be a little worried if you're the Rams, huh? No. No, absolutely no. It's just a good ball game. Big win for first place. Mike McDonald's 11-1 on the road. I mean, I guess 11-2 now. What a monster Matthew Stafford, the year he's had right now. And that defense, outrageous. They're young and they're hungry. Let's go to the next overreaction. This is from Bill's Mafia, 10-18, at Colby, 22-81. At Pat McPherson Show, hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Buffalo Bills are all the way back. Josh Allen's big country ass.

3:08:38He's rumbling and stumbling for six tuds. Joe Brady is a fucking sicko. Cole Bishop is a junkyard dog. The Colts and Pats have been put on notice. No one. And we mean no one. Circles the wagons like the Buffalo Beals. Cheers. Is your defense good enough to win? That's the only question we have to Colby and to the Buffalo Beals nation. What do you think? They hope so. They hope so. I mean, I don't know right now. We definitely don't know. Their offense is good enough to win it all, but can your defense hold up when it truly matters? I don't know. We'll see. They can prove to us that they are. Josh Allen in a shootout, I think we all like.

3:09:15I think we certainly like. But if the defense is able to get a stop on Josh Allen a couple times, will you be able to answer that on the other side whenever push comes to shove? That's the only question. Well, and the best defense for Josh Allen is to keep him off the field. And if you can't stop the run, our team's just going to run it 15 times every possession. And then it's like, hey, guess what? You have to score a touchdown on every single possession if you're the Bills. As a team in the AFC who is on a historically great running season, I am very pumped that the Buffalo Bills' seemingly weakness at this point is their rush defense as a Colts fan.

3:09:50Now, it's all matchups, obviously, whenever you get to the playoffs, which we all assume we all are going to be there. So if you happen to run into a team that can just take the air out of the game completely and Josh Allen touches it three times a half, four times a half, like what do you do? And let alone if your defense gets a stop on Josh Allen one or two times. Like, how does it go? I guess that's the question mark. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. They still got a lot of time to figure it out. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is I miss Brad Lambert at Will B.

3:10:19Hartigan. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but Bryce Young just solidified himself as a franchise quarterback. Franchise record, 448 on one of the top pass defenses in the league. Falcons need to extend Raheem Morris. four out of 12 of Bryce's wins are against the Dirty Birds. Move over, Arthur Blank. Bryce owns you. Shout out to the Carolina Panthers seemingly getting a team. And shout out to Bryce Young. Obviously got benched last year and then comes back in. They found something special. David Canales down in Tampa Bay with Baker Mayfield was sweet. Now they're trying to do the same thing in Carolina.

3:10:51And for the Atlanta Falcons, it's just another situation where we have no idea who they are, what they are. Tett McMillan obviously a stud for the Carolina Panthers. Rico Dowdell special. Bryce Young's finding his groove. Are the Carolina Panthers building for tomorrow or today? They're a good ball club. You know, a winning team right now. And to be down like this on the road against a divisional opponent in the fight back, Xavier Lee Gett making another play. He's had kind of an up-and-down season. And then you mentioned that T-Mac out there being special. He's a weapon. You know, Atlanta obviously has Drake London.

3:11:22And the Panthers went out and got T-Mac in the top of the draft this year. And he's been special. But Bryce Young put on an absolute show. So this Bryce Young yesterday, and obviously he's throwing from 400 to 50 yards. You're not going to do that week in and week out. But this is why he was drafted number one overall. He's obviously a small guy, so it was going to be an outlier to be successful in the National Football League with that frame. But he was compared to Steph Curry. He was like the Steph Curry coming into the draft. And watching him play yesterday, it gave you Steph Curry vibes. He was on fire.

3:11:50I love where the Panthers are at right now in their kind of – I wouldn't call it a full rebuild because you have your quarterback and you have your GM, you have your head coach. But I think they're heading in the right direction. Congratulations to the Carolina Panthers and Steph Curry moving on from Under Armour. Yeah. Wearing Nike shoes, right? First game back. Yeah. Immediately. And then they win and he goes crazy. That's certainly a sign maybe from the basketball guts. That felt like a big deal, though. Because I took a trip down memory lane with Steph Curry and Under Armour. I remember the Nurse Currys and then the Grass Cutter ones.

3:12:19And then now where they ended up at. I mean, that was a special development, a special growth. That was big for sports, I think, AJ. He started his whole golf line, I feel like, with Under Armour as well. He's in so deep with that. I'm like, what happened? Did his contract just run up and they didn't renew it? He didn't want to go? I don't understand. It fell apart. Yeah, he had a pretty large contract. I don't remember all the details. A couple years ago, I feel like he still owns the Curry brand. Now it will be separate from UA. So wherever he goes, whether it's Nike or Reebok, wherever he goes, he'll still have that Curry brand.

3:12:50I'm sure all the initiatives and the golf stuff. and he's been sponsoring golf teams and all type of shit. So I'm sure it's still going. But this is obviously huge in the sneaker landscape, but I think it was just a differing of routes for Under Armour and where Steph Curry wanted to go. I mean, shit, he's their most. Definitely. He's their biggest. I know Justin Jefferson is their biggest probably football player, but as far as basketball player, global superstar like Steph Curry is that. Yeah, click clack until now. I mean, AJ had to go through with Under Armour where they were trying to figure out how to make cleats.

3:13:21just like Jordan in the documentary talked about how they had to figure out how to make basketball shoes. His feet were bleeding at the end of games because of how the technology was then. Happens with shoes as well. That's why, like, normally the first round of shoes for any company is ass because they're trying to find it and figure it out. And those Curry ones, we support it because we like the way Steph Curry played. Those first couple pairs of shoes were the shittiest on the market. I mean, the shittiest on the market, the way they felt and looked were just ass. And then, like, they continued to evolve.

3:13:50and I think they got like good and it was like I thought they were going to continue to go so whenever I saw it I'm like man you guys went through a lot of hard times together you guys you guys got cooked together pretty good there for a while yeah he was having bad ankle issues where people thought like oh this he's not gonna be able to play for you know six eight ten years in the league and now for him being what year 16 or 17 and you know he's been relatively healthy for the most part of that so that was that was huge so it's a huge move for him to go to a different completely different shoe brand now at this stage of his career well and like you mentioned it as like a joke but like that's those first pair like that's all they were good for was like mowing your grass in like you you didn't do you couldn't do anything else with those and and even if you did that you're cutting the lawn and then you're done you're like jesus christ i got blisters all over my feet like that was a but steph was somehow going out there yeah and filling the but he was like i thought they had a great maybe forever thing obviously great work by you two and what you built.

3:14:45It was still a special relationship. Last overreaction here from Chris Nichols. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Jacksonville Jaguars continue to make zero sense. If you're playing a franchise QB, we might whoop that ass. Put a backup in and we can't do nothing right. I don't know if the Duval Jags are a playoff team or not yet, says Chris Nichols. Huge win. I think you should celebrate that. And that's the overreaction. Let's make our picks for tonight. Dallas Cowboys take on the Las Vegas Raiders. Are the Cowboys still favored by 3.5 Tone Diggs? Yes, I just checked. It's 3.5 across the board.

3:15:2268 % of the public bets were on Dallas before the show started. Has that number moved? 71 on the Cowboys. Wow! Over 70 % now. Can you tell me how that's doing as opposed to maybe earlier in the season? So this weekend, any teams getting over 60 % of the bets were 4, 6, and 1. It's been around 500, but But on the losing side for the last few weeks, earlier in the season, people were just getting destroyed, like 1-4, 0-5, stuff like that. So it's been getting better, but still haven't had a winning week yet. Okay, so AJ, let's check out where you and I stand. Wow, I'm starting to really make a run back into this thing.

3:16:03I was down early. All my juice was over on college football. The NFL picks went off fantastic. Now it seems like I'm maybe making a push to make this thing. now we're 5-5-1 as a whole you and me after tonight and obviously it feels as if any game can go anyway that's why picking against the spread is insane and that's why sportsbooks are continuing to evolve and every sportsbook is able to make money nowadays except for one somehow still don't know how that worked I lost a Jacksonville game Jacksonville was plus 3 on that last graphic you're saying you got bamboozled here a little bit I mean, I picked Jackson, though, and they blew him out.

3:16:43Oh, yeah, you are. You should be. There should be a tie maybe here. Oh, yeah. Let's go for a tie tonight. 6-7-1. Oh, it is 6-7. 6-7-1, yeah. Okay, so, hey, a lot on the line here tonight. D. Butch, your thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys favored by 3.5, getting 71 % of the money going into Las Vegas? At first glance, this looks like an absolute stinker. But we got two quarterbacks who at any given time can put up a ton of yards and score a ton of points. I am excited to see Quentin Williams' debut and also Overshawn coming back for this Dallas Cowboys defense. So give me the Cowboys on the road to win and to cover the 3.5.

3:17:24He was talking about both quarterbacks. I've just been seeing a lot of stuff, and this is not made up. A lot of Raiders fans are interested to see if Kenny Pickett makes an appearance. Okay, maybe a snap for Kenny Pickett. That would be two gloves, two different days. Jared Goff and Kenny Pickett. We shall see. Darius Butler likes the 71 % of the people that are on Dallas, minus 3.5. AJ, who do you like? I like Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys as well. All right, me too. All right, final picks. Let's get out of here. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.

3:17:53We're in this thing together. You are the greatest people on earth. Great work today, boys. I appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.