PMS 2.0 1459 - BA Day with Bruce Arians, MNF Recap, Dan Orlovsky, Theo Von, Will Compton, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

17:30Pat McAfee:It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's happening in your sport too. But we need to stop that in our sport. I don't think that'll become a thing. But the heat of the moment, obviously guys get pretty excited, especially with Juwan Amor. And there's been big-time shots all game. Your team's about to lose by 11. This game's about over. One more final. To hell with this guy. We just need to get that thing in his stomach. We need to make sure that that is not in the kit and caboodle. Yeah, and when you see the reaction from Jennings, you knew something like that had to happen before that that led to him reacting like that.

18:00And a lot of people who probably haven't been between the lines be like, oh, it's a violent game. It's a barbaric sport. Things like this probably always have. You always hear the stories about what happens on the bottom of piles and shit with fumbles. But, like, the dig punching, the spitting, all the – even, like, cut blocks. Like, wide receivers, DBs, if we're 30 yards away from the play, like, don't cut block me. Like, I'm dropping my elbow in the back of your neck. Like, it's just certain things where you don't cross the line. You're not trying to intentionally hurt other players, professionals, their livelihood.

18:30So, I mean, I get Jennings' reaction, but with the block that came before the punch, I also kind of understand Morg a little bit too. Yeah, I mean, there's certainly a little bit of heat.

18:40Pat McAfee:Okay, let's just make sure we go on and continue having a great season. And let's just make sure if we're casted up, we're punching in the helmet or the shoulder pads. Or let's just wait till afterwards, boys. We'll see each other in a tunnel. We'll just go ahead and make a circle like it's hockey and do your thing. But we love that the game is in the place that it is. We just can't be doing the bullshit. And I was a punter, so I don't need to be speaking for anybody. But I will say as avid fan of the league, spitting in the face is just not something we can have. And then dick punching cannot just become a normal thing.

19:10Pat McAfee:Because you're seeing this Colorado State kid, and there was another college kid earlier. It's like, do you think they naturally do that if it wasn't for Jalen or something? I was like, no, everything kind of falls in line with what the NFL is doing. We have to understand that. I think the NFL understands that. This dude's spitting and then running for his life afterwards. It's like, uh-uh. That ain't football. That ain't football. Don't do that. Just so soft. Once again, in the moment, obviously. That's not even like a dirty hit or anything. If he depletes that guy and he's not looking, okay, sure, it's still not acceptable.

19:42But that's as Bush League as it comes. It's like, what, a guy can't block you, so you're going to spit in his face? That's bullshit.

19:48Pat McAfee:And then Josh Allen said it during his Jersey retirement in Wyoming. Something about it sucks to suck. Thank God I'm not a CSU Ram or something. And this guy does that on that same weekend. It's like, yeah, I agree. I'll tell you what, count me out as a CSU person. I'm out on their entire team. And not that I was ever in, but that type of stuff is kind of how it goes. I don't like what they're saying about Josh Allen. Not at all. It's messed up. And I am a Patriots fan, and I would be the one to pile on with the Haley Steinfeld, whatever the hell her name is, her fans. But what they're doing to him on the internet is uncalled for.

20:22Because if he's ugly, what the hell am I? And I can't live in a world where Josh Allen is being called bad, mean things by these fans where they don't know anything about Josh Allen.

20:32Pat McAfee:Josh Allen's a sweet boy. He's a nice guy. He comes on the show all the time and he says nice stuff. He's also a funny guy. He had the whole subway thing. And the passcode to the subway thing was 9696 because 6969 was too obvious. That's awesome. Why are these fans? Because these people, his wife's fans don't know anything about Josh Allen. They can't just be running their mouths, bumming their gums about him. And we need to start checking where these accounts are from. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we need to start checking where these accounts are from. I think we're able to do that now. We would like to let the Haley Steinfeld fans know that we are a fan of Haley Steinfeld.

21:07Pat McAfee:Now, I do not necessarily understand everything that she's been a part of. I wish I did know more about her because she is now a part of the football family. She's married to our MVP. But you guys need to know, he's a good one. Oh, yeah. Hey, Josh, this is a good one. 6 '5", laser rocket arm. Hold the door for you. All the time. Cowboy, rancher out there. They're saying some other things about him. It's like, has that been confirmed or is it maybe the other one? Yeah. Yeah, so. There's a community note. Yeah, we need the. I'm in the dark here. They're calling him ugly. I don't know what's going on.

21:42Pat McAfee:They're calling him a bad guy and ugly. That's what they're saying. I read a tweet, had a lot of views. A lot of views. Six million views. Real views? Well, that's a whole other conversation. Check location. We need to start doing that more. Are these bots? But on that note, it's a shame whenever a beautiful woman ends up with an ugly piece of trash, basically, is what they said. And it was Josh Allen and her hitting the hats. The hat kiss. I'm like, can we not just be happy that these two superstars have found love in a hopeless place? Being super popular and a celebrity is not easy to find somebody.

22:16Pat McAfee:When you're the MVP of the NFL, it's not easy to be in any relationship. Haley, I assume that throughout her journeys, it's been hard. Hey, this is good. We need to stop trying to tear this down. And we'd like to let Josh Allen know, I think you're handsome. You're not Riley Green, but I think you're handsome. No one is. Or Drake, man. Drake, man, kind of does look like he's 17 years old, 18 years old. Yeah, he's just got that young flair, man. I know what you're talking about. And it is crazy, the Tom Brady shit. Oh, yeah. I mean, talk about jawlines. I put his up against A.J. Hawks. We're not putting that tweet up.

22:47Pat McAfee:That was the tweet that I saw, though, and I don't like it. There's multiple of them. That's the problem, too. It's like you see one, and it's like, okay, fine. Even though the one has six million views, fine. It's just one. Then you see a couple others with other multiple million views. This one's got 13.3 million views. Yeah. That cannot be the way you're speaking about our MVP. It can't be real. That's not the real world. These people see blood in the water. You know what Josh Allen said many times, how she's changed his life for the better. She always talks about how supportive he is of her career and all that kind of stuff.

23:17What do you want this guy to do? You want him to retire and become her butler? That ain't going to happen. I think they're saying he needs to get plastic surgery on his face. Well, that ain't going to happen. I don't like that at all. That ain't going to happen because you know what? She's kissed many ugly guys in movies. Many. Pitch Perfect 3. Boom. You know? And I'm not going to go out there and throw shade on other actors because that's not my game. We don't want to call anybody. Yeah, exactly. We just don't like that our MVP is being talked about the way he's been. The guy who plays football, he's had his nose broken about 150 times.

23:48That's what you want from him, okay? Maybe he doesn't have the picturesque, perfect face. He's a pretty good-looking guy. Not Riley Green. Again. Or Drake, man. Nobody is. That mustache. Oh, my God. His accent? Yeah. The way he throws a football. Oh, guitar? Yeah. We can't throw Riley Green He is Don't throw Riley Green in there Because what happens if these Haley heads Haven't even seen Riley Green And then they look him up and they're like Exactly

24:16Pat McAfee:We can't be throwing those two in the same category Joining us now is a man who's just as handsome as Riley Green Dan Orlowski Good to see you Dan Thank you for joining us Got your playboy What is the You always wear this bunny Psycho Bunny? Psycho Bunny. What the hell is that? That's lit, dude. That's super lit. Thank you. What is that? That's a brand? It's a clothing company. Hell yeah, dude. It looks super cool. Can you show that again? You see the crossbones at the bottom? Yeah, that's not very appropriate. No, because it's a killer bunny. Yeah, that's not very appropriate. Well, it's got rabies, actually.

24:59Pat McAfee:This bunny's got rabies. It'll come and get you. That's why it's a killer. All right, Dan, let's talk about being a killer. Brock Purdy turning the ball over, potentially a killer. Instead, they still win and cover. Please tell me the Carolina Panthers could have won that game. And also, please tell me if the San Francisco 49ers, with how they are, obviously a lot of misappeases, can go win the Super Bowl because B.A. said no, D.Bott said no, Ty said no, Tone said no. Connor's the only one who said maybe. And I think the reason is we saw the Rams play, and then we see the Niners play. Rams seemingly on a different planet than everybody else in the NFC at this exact moment.

25:36Pat McAfee:Niners, can they keep up? And what do you think about Brock going forward? Yeah, Rams not on a different planet than everybody else. I would be absolutely shocked if the NFC rep is in L.A., Seattle, or Philly. And more than likely one of those NFC West teams. I do not think that San Francisco can win the Super Bowl. I just don't think they have enough healthy bodies on defense in their front seven. So Brock I would tell you that if you look at the interceptions And why they happen Brock has always been a player In his first couple years That you marveled at How early he threw the football Yet down the field He had this almost Unrealistic anticipation Where you're sitting there going How can you cut that ball early Or cut that ball from your hands So early down the field and still have it placed perfectly.

26:30The interceptions this season are far too often late. The anticipation is gone. And there's guys that don't have to play with a ton of anticipation. I heard Coach talk about this. Stafford's one of them. Josh was certainly one early in his career. Patrick, because they've got these cannons for arms. Brock doesn't. And so he was playing at such a high level because he played so fast. and the ball came out of his hands so much sooner than the route kind of established itself. Look, these clips, they're all three hitches. This offense is not built on three-hitch throws. Coach knows this as well. This offense is not built on three-hitch throws.

27:11You get to the top of your drop, that ball's out of your hands, and if it's not, like, watch how many hitches he takes here. One, two, three, three and a half, and then it's late. So am I concerned? well yes because that was the strength of his game but also at the same time it's something that he's shown that's not necessarily who he is and it's absolutely correctable okay and now the

27:36Pat McAfee:Carolina Panthers they had a huge night ahead of them potentially they would have took the lead in the NFC South now granted they're six and six they were six and five going in nobody could have expected this from the Carolina Panthers we've actually been following along pretty closely strictly because we've kind of dogged the Panthers in the past. So Panthers fans, which there are still some, remember just a couple years ago there was like 500 fans in the stands for their final game. It felt like it was the worst, obviously the biggest dumpster fire in the entire league is what Carolina felt like.

28:03Pat McAfee:Then they bring in Morgan, they bring in Canales. Tepper kind of goes a little bit more hands-off but also starts giving back to the community and kind of understanding his position. We've become big fans of this Panthers team. We've also become big fans of Bryce Young. They get all those turnovers, they can't make anything happen out of it. We saw T-Max score a touchdown. I'm happy the Irish Utes got a chance to say hello to the primetime audience to score a touchdown. But what do we think about the Carolina Panthers? What do you think about Bryce Young, where he's at right now? And maybe what the next couple steps look like for that team.

28:31Yeah, number one, last night, the perimeter. The perimeter players did not match the physicality out of San Francisco. And that's really the story of the game. I heard Boston Conner talk about Dowdow only had six carries. I think they had 40 snaps. They were terrible on third down. But if you watch the third downs, I don't see there's a lot of protection problem. I don't see there's a lot of schematic problem. They just physically got out-toughed at the perimeter when it comes to ball downfield, middle of the route, physicality at the top of the route to win. So they just did not match that from San Francisco.

29:05The reality is this game came down to two plays for Carolina. The pick down on the one-yard line, inexcusable. Bryce has to see that defender.

29:12Pat McAfee:First and goal, Dan. First and goal. I'm shocked you threw it. I'm shocked. that's just a backside defender for some reason Bryce doesn't see him, he doesn't threaten the line just run Bryce, run, threaten you're one on one with the defensive tackle out in space and so I'm floored that he throws that football I cannot defend, if he runs there, he's got a guy out in front he's got an offensive lineman out in front just scream go go go go see that guy's waiting for him because he doesn't want to go downfield just scream go, so can't make that throw and then there's a third and four down, I think it's the second quarter it's third and goal from the four yard line San Francisco shows all out pressure he throws it to the perimeter and it's one on one on the perimeter and San Francisco makes the tackle I didn't love that play call because what are we doing versus zero, we're just going to throw a swing screen especially with there's no pick, there's no traffic for that backer to run through and you can't, obviously one yard line interception, third and goal, I'd love to see a ball go to Tett McMillan or T-Mac in that situation.

30:13So I'm disappointed with the lack of physicality by the perimeter players. Xavier Leggett, he's got to earn the right to be on the field more. Jalen Coker, who I believe is an undrafted player, should not be playing more than Xavier Leggett, but they are because he's just not meeting what is expected out of him.

30:33Pat McAfee:Leggett's had a couple good weeks. Earlier in the year, it was pretty bad. It was like, this guy's not a one or this guy is nowhere near a one. Then he had a couple big-time weeks. Obviously, he had a catch last night, I think, on the sideline and some other stuff. But to your point, he's not prevalent. I don't think any of us – we all talk about Irish Oos down there. Whenever we're talking about who the wide receiver is, we think about T-Mac, the kid out of Arizona who's a former volleyball player. Some of his volleyball highlights are absurd. But they talk about him athletically just being a freak, and his catch radius is gigantic.

31:06Pat McAfee:Nobody even really talks about LeGette other than how sweet his accent is and that he eats squirrels. Correct. Right? That is kind of the conversation. Yeah, and I'd also say this, Pat. His game has to be physicality. He's not a burner. He's a big, thick, talented, structurally sound dude. You should be a physical presence at the wide receiver position. If you watch San Francisco to both those guys, just push them around. Ted fought back a little bit. I did not feel that from Xavier Leggett. And so I'm walking away. if I'm Carolina, I'm disappointed with the way that we played on the perimeter physically because we just did not match San Francisco.

31:45Pat McAfee:All right, enough about Monday Night Football. Week 12 was awesome. Saw a huge win by Chicago, which obviously in turn is a gigantic loss for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But we saw some shit from Caleb Williams that got us very excited. Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah, I asked you a few weeks ago about Caleb Williams and where he was with the Ben Johnson and the offense. You were optimistic about him. I think he's continuing to take those steps. What are your thoughts on Caleb Williams right now and how he's operating in this Ben Johnson offense and how you see it going forward? The coach will tell you exactly what he thinks of the player by the plays that he calls.

32:18And right now the playbook is wide open in Chicago. And that's a total credit certainly to the quarterback. You want to run the football, great. You want to go hardball play action out of the gun, great. They can get an empty and throw it on the goal line, and he's quick and decisive. I think the biggest thing for me, D-Butt, outside of that, what I'm just talking about is the playbook is so wide open. They put a defensive tackle at fullback the other day and ran the football to them. They're running the football. They're going really good in play action. They're building plays in for the yards after catch.

32:50I believe they went double reverse. There's multiple screens. Here's empty on the goal line. But I think the one thing that Caleb has grown the most in in the last month in my eyes is if the play is there, quarterback run on fourth down, if the play is there, if the play call is the right one versus the defense, I need you to play on time now. If I design a play and number one is open, I need you to be fast. And this throws a perfect example of it. We're calling the play for this defense. We get it. I need you to play fast. That's the one I need you to play. Yeah, I need you to play quick on. And so I think that's where his greatest growth is.

33:33I would imagine as a coach, if you call play call and you're anticipating something and you get it and the quarterback doesn't do what your coach to do, I can't imagine how frustrating for a coach that would be. He's not doing that anymore. And that's why I've kind of said he's really gone from a problem solver or a problem creator to a problem solver. He's not really creating problems for himself anymore.

33:55Pat McAfee:Yesterday, he was problem creating, you know, but creating was what he was drafted upon because he could make magic happen, you know. So then whenever he has that style of offense and then we have the turnover early in Chicago and it doesn't seem to go well. And Ben Johnson's this hard-nosed guy, an accountability-driven guy. And Caleb is exactly who, you know, we've learned Caleb to kind of be. I thought they weren't going to gel. I thought they weren't going to mesh because he's very much a timing guy and just felt like personality-wise and football-wise, this couldn't be a worse fit for each other.

34:25Pat McAfee:And now it seems like they're perfect for each other. And now that Ben Johnson is seemingly building trust in Caleb, he's going to be able to do all the Jared Goff shit with him eventually, but also add Caleb shit in there. Is there like a way for Ben Johnson to add Caleb being Caleb into an offense, or is that all off-script stuff? Yeah, I think it's more off-script. You'll see situational. You saw the fourth and one quarterback play. You could probably do more bootlegs eventually because getting him onto the perimeter, I think you could do a little bit more quarterback run down in the red zone.

34:55But the beauty of the offense is we can kind of create so much schematic advantage by the different looks that we can present to you that we can put you in doubt as a defense. And I just need the quarterback to consistently hit that open receiver. Again, that's kind of, for me, where his greatest growth is. And then, I agree, I did not think they were going to gel this quickly, and that was my concern. then, hey, defense wins reps too. They get paid. So if the defense does win the rep, we miss a block, we get covered up, then you can go above and beyond some of those plus plays. That's a beautiful throw.

35:29It's on time. Caleb would not make that throw last year. Those past two clips that you have shown, Caleb would not make that throw last year. And so I think that right now Ben's very comfortable. And I would say this. This is one of the – there's probably four offensive lines that I truly trust right now in the NFC on the back stretch going making playoff runs. I think Dallas is one. I think LA is one. I absolutely say Chicago is one, which is shocking. I think there's a fourth one. My brain, maybe San Francisco. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. And that's really the key here is Chicago's offensive lines become a strength.

36:02Yeah.

36:03Pat McAfee:And I liked it. Colts also in there, you know, hey, yeah, the Colts offensive line in there. We need to win a big game. But I do like that the offensive line is really the indicator on whether or not you're going to be able to win a Super Bowl. But also championship defenses, I think, too. So, you know, have to have qualifiers in its entirety. Chicago is seemingly always going to have a good defense, even if the offense is the head coach-driven position. So congrats to Caleb and congrats to Ben. The NFC North looks different all of a sudden. All of a sudden, the Bears are for real. Caleb's going to break all their passing records within the next two years, okay, for the Chicago Bears' history, okay, for the history of the Chicago Bears.

36:38Pat McAfee:He's going to have all of their records, and they're just getting started. They've got another 10 years up and to the right as Caleb and Ben, because he's not going to get plucked away. Ben Johnson's going to be there. So that offense is going to be there. Good news for Caleb on the turnover, potentially stopping unless they completely go to shite, which it doesn't look like. The Lions with Dan Campbell, we assume, are going to be good in this entirety. The Packers, we assume, are going to be— Lions concerns. What's that? Lions are concerning. Their offensive line is not good enough right now.

37:05Oh, no. Yeah, no. Going back to the same old Lions.

37:08Pat McAfee:Are you saying this year or just like in general, you don't know if they're going to be able to find it again? Is it because Ben Johnson was kind of maybe covering up for their offensive line, or is it Noel Ragnall is maybe the big problem with the Detroit Lions offensive line? Is it fixable or is that just you got to deal with it this season type thing? Yeah, I mean, the interior of their offensive line is a concern. It's not good enough. They will not win a Super Bowl with the interior of their offensive line playing this way. Ragnall's a concern. Yeah, Ragnall's starting to be with ugly head here.

37:38This is what I would say is you have a quarterback that when you protect him, he could throw with anybody. but now the protection has fallen off. I would tell you I have no idea what the numbers and statistics and analytics it looks like a bottom 5, bottom 7 pass protecting offensive line and no Laporta when Jared got pressured where's Laporta? no Laporta with a bad pass protecting offensive line as much as it kills me to say I just don't see it for Detroit

38:09Pat McAfee:Alright, last question here let's stay in the NFC North. Go ahead Ty Yeah, Dano, last week before the Vikings played the Packers, you basically said like, hey, J.J. McCarthy, his mechanics, everything, it's not going to get fixed this year. But, you know, they might be able to actually fix this over the course of the next, you know, offseason and he will develop. after Sunday's game where he just looked like dog shite once again. Where do we stand with JJ? And do you think there's a chance that they don't even give him that opportunity and they cut bait before he can actually realize his full potential?

38:44Yeah, I don't think that the latter happens. I mean, this young man just hasn't played football. He's barely practiced football in the last two years. I think the biggest concern right now is you are watching paralysis by analysis. I mean, there's clips where he catches the ball in the shotgun and you can see him walking through drops of trying to think of what should I do with the football right now? What should I do? Let alone what should I do with the football? Meaning it's almost like he's trying to think of what is the coaching point of a drop or a landmark or how many steps. I'm counting steps in my head.

39:20I'm counting what I should be doing with my left leg and my right leg or trying to think of what I should be doing with my left leg and my right leg. rather than, okay, this is the defense. This is where I want to try to work, and this is how I can manipulate somebody or how field coverage. And so this is the – no, that's not the clip. But there's a clip where you can see him go left leg, right leg, left leg, and it's almost like he's walking through it in a walkthrough type of mannerism. He's just – there's definitely an overthinking right now. I understand that he's in a stuck place, and it's not a fun place to be as a quarterback.

39:52I don't think they'd give up on him, but because of the lack of performance and the lack of health and availability, there's no question you'll have to bring high-end competition in.

40:03Pat McAfee:Well, Max Brosmore is certainly going to do that. This dude's a stud. He can spin it, from what I've been told from the film study we've seen. But that's kind of been the conversation is that Kevin O 'Connell can make anybody good. What's this guy's name? Who cares? Kevin O 'Connell's the coach and the offense coordinator. If he can throw a football, he will be a good quarterback. Then when we talked to Kevin O 'Connell down at owners meetings, we said, because they were looking for a quarterback, obviously they had moved on from Sam Darnold. Danny Dimes had left the building. Aaron Rodgers allegedly was interested in the job, but they seemingly passed on him or let him know they were going to pass.

40:37Pat McAfee:We asked Kevin O 'Connell what you're looking for, and he said accuracy. So did we think J.J. McCarthy was an accurate passer? Well, I would say this, Pat. I think one of the things that I certainly did not think about, and Coach could probably speak to it better, is the guys that Kevin's had a ton of success with, it's in part because they've had experience in the NFL. Like, they mechanically have worked through some of the issues that maybe were a problem in their past. Kirk Cousins was a vet. Sam Darnold was a vet. Even some guys like Nick Mullins, who's had to play. He's been around the NFL for four, five, six years.

41:14And so this is Kevin O 'Connell's first time with a young, very young, and certainly unproven player. And it just feels like the expectation of baseline performance for the coach and the play caller was here. And where the player is, is really here. So I would probably pinpoint it on a lack of development to the point that is needed.

41:40Pat McAfee:Injury hurts that obviously his rookie year. Big conversation, Coach B.A., the author of a book called The Quarterback Whisperer. That's what he's actually titled. Bruce Arians, 47 years in football, has coached every single quarterback that's basically ever played quarterback and also every quarterback that has gone into the Hall of Fame, basically. You know quarterbacks inside and out. You know the NFL and the league and how it operates in offense and everything like that inside and out. When you hear about J.J. McCarthy and how it's all going and the stories coming out, his leadership's great, his moxie is great.

42:11Pat McAfee:And then you hear these things like, well, he also calls himself nine when he's on the field and he's on demon time and he's got to control all that type of stuff. What are your thoughts? What would your messaging be to him? And have you ever had an experience like this with a young quarterback that maybe is struggling very, very, very hard early? Yeah, a couple of times. But, yeah, the alter ego thing is it needs to be AP. What's that? Accurate passer. Okay. You don't need snot, bubbles, and tears. Okay. You're playing quarterback, not linebacker. Okay. We don't need all this hyped-up bullshit.

42:42Just go fucking play quarterback and be relaxed and throw the damn ball to the right guy because you've got the talent. Now, I go back his senior year, what did he throw, 45 passes in fourth quarter his entire senior year? 35. 35. I mean, that's not NFL ready. Then you miss your rookie year. So he has had no development as a passer. And mechanically, you can't think about mechanics in the NFL. Hell, you got to be thinking about where the hell am I going with this ball in two-point seconds. All right, this thing's got to go somewhere right there because of this. I don't think he's missing all of that right now.

43:19First of all, how the hell do I get back there? How do I read it? Where's it going?

43:24Pat McAfee:And then also, how do I throw it? Now he's thinking about how the hell to throw it. So it's like, that's a bad combination, brother. Really bad. What would you say to him? You tell him just fuck it? We got to stop thinking about all this stuff? Or how would you do that? Ayahuasca, maybe? Just relax. Get rid of nine. First thing, let's get rid of nine. All right? And let's get JJ in there and play. Yes, you're a hell of a leader, but it can't be. It's totally different when you're leading Michigan and you're leading the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, the Michigan team could run 50 straight times on basically everybody because of who they had.

43:54Pat McAfee:Minnesota's not going to be able to do that. And Kevin, well, they could, I guess. They tried to. Yeah, they're going to have to. I don't think it's going to win in the NFL, but Kevin O 'Connell's entire offense is based on this guy processing, developing, knowing, and delivering quickly, Just like Shanahan's offense. And it's some good weapons. Justin Jefferson sitting out there. Addison. Hawkinson. Aaron Jones. Jordan Mason. Derisaw, paid left tackle. They would have been the number one seed in the NFC last year. And then they decided, like, hey, this is what we're going to do. So there's a lot of pressure on him to develop, which I could see why he would overthink it.

44:30Pat McAfee:But you're saying we need to get rid of all of that. Yeah, we've got to wipe that slate clean and just go back to basics. Let's keep it as simple as possible every game where he's not thinking about everything. Last thought. Go ahead, Dano. Yeah, I think the thing, coming out of school, JJ, my one thing within him was he looks on a play-by-play basis like a player who's trying to be perfect all the time. I know what it says on paper, Coach. I will do that perfectly. I will do exactly what the paper says. and I just don't think you can play at that level, chasing perfection on a play-by-play basis.

45:08I think to Coach's point, like, dude, you just got to go play, man, and stop trying to do everything flawlessly perfect by what the paper says.

45:17Pat McAfee:Not only on the field, but off the field. Well, you hear his press conferences, you hear the answers he's given, you see the way he acts, his leads. It does feel like he's trying to be a movie character, NFL quarterback, you know? Yeah. Like, this is what I've heard you're supposed to be like. Michigan man. That's what I heard you're supposed to be like. I think it's good intentions, you know, but I think it's a lot to kind of try to process as opposed to just being you're trying to be. I think you'll be able to figure it out. And I don't like... Can I ask Coach hearing the question, man? It better not be about getting rid of nine, okay?

45:44Pat McAfee:No, it's about the Eagles. It's about the Eagles. Okay, here we go. All right, so here's my complaint about the Eagles, Coach. So one of the things I always loved about you, and my thought was you didn't play around in the run game. You're like, I'm just trying to be efficient in my run game, try to continue to be in good down and distances. And oftentimes I was like, here comes duo, here comes duo, here comes duo, underneath center duo. Philly doesn't do it enough. Philly's in the shotgun. The shotgun run drives me nuts. Do you agree with that? Like, can you explain to me in your thought the advantage of running from underneath the center at people with double teams in comparison to running today in the shotgun?

46:26Oh, yeah, definitely. And you know where the big difference is, Dan? It's in your play-action game. When you are under center and you're taking a seven and maybe time it up to a nine-step drop on a bootleg, you can't do that in the shotgun. It's going to be the five at the best. You're usually back there holding the damn ball, waiting for that stuff to go down the field. But the running game, yeah, I'm an under center guy. I'd love to have that tailback behind me. And if the quarterback's injured a little bit, I don't mind the pistol. I put the kids in the pistol back in the 80s with the head sprained ankles.

46:57But we can still do everything we want to do, go both directions. I agree with you totally on that shotgun running game.

47:03Pat McAfee:That's hilarious. When you thought of that back in the 80s, you said, this backup quarterback ain't worth a shit. If we can stand you out there, we will do that with pistol, brother. Yeah, that's exactly what you said. Yeah, without saying it. Dano, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. That's Dan Olofsky. Dano! Dan wanted to host his own show there, eat up more time, has no idea we've got a living legend waiting around. Come on. Ladies and gentlemen, this man might be an SEC father at this point. I'm not 100 % sure. one of the greatest comedians to ever exist a human's brain cannot be uh any more epic than this man ladies and gentlemen theo vaughn hey sorry dano just kept that thing going theo i'm sorry about that oh it's okay he's probably just chilling time probably trying to stay away from his wife you know i don't know i mean people that's what my buddies do they're always in their cars like in their like in their yard trying not to go inside or whatever dan's wife's a sweet lady theo is obviously saying that as well does not know her she's a sweet lady and who knows well yeah dan was sitting on the side of the road though there for a while and extent yep yeah we got a piece of it yeah yeah we're not getting into it but let's talk a little bit about relationships uh we see we saw you on senior day at vandy we saw the video yeah uh can you tell me about your relationship with the pavia family and diego and his mom and everybody because i think this has been a big piece of vandy's story is not only bringing people in but nashville people becoming massive Vandy fans.

48:24Pat McAfee:Can you talk a little bit about it and what was senior day like? Yeah, I mean, you know, the lore with me and his mom, you know, like we made a bet one day on a game and Diego said if they won against South Carolina, then he would set me up on a date with his mom. And then, and they won. And so I was, you know, kind of getting fired up or whatever, or at least I was like, you know, taking care of myself better a little bit. And then, and then he said, Then he added to the date, he's like, but only if I get to go on a date with Tate McRae. And so we never could make that happen. So the date never really panned out.

48:58The date never made it, right? You couldn't hold up to the bargain.

49:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, yeah, got it, yeah. Yeah, I couldn't get him a date with Tate McRae. She wouldn't answer my DMs. I don't blame her. But anyway, yeah, but I've just become friends with the family, man. And he asked me last week, he's like, hey, will you walk out there with me on senior day? Which was pretty cool. um yeah the guy's just like i don't know he's an underdog he's an underlion actually i don't know if they have underlions but that's what that dude is man he's like he's the ultimate under animal and he just the whole group there they got a whole group of guys like the light is on in them um it's just been an uplifting group and i just started becoming friends with diego during the summer and then some of his roommates and like um and now i just love being over there like i had so much joy to my life so yeah snoop dog became snoop lion so i think you can say underdog to under lion as well i think that's a good play by you that's that big brain that you're using for diego obviously in heisman chatter we all hope yep it's under there we all hope that diego gets an opportunity to go represent vandy in new york city i think he has certainly earned it let's talk about you and sec football getting a chance to be around obviously you're normally touring i think during this time this year you've gotten a chance to go experience the entirety of this college ball season what are your thoughts and uh i know you and lane have gotten very tight as well he's in the middle of like maybe one of the biggest stories in uh last 10 years of college ball because there's a lot of new rules that are about to be made because of lane yeah well lane is causing problems and that's what he does you know that's part of like you know he's he likes to uh you know he likes to bring his own bumblebees wherever he goes he's just that kind of guy you You know, like he said, he likes to have an effect on things on the field and off.

50:41He's just an entertaining guy, man. I think he's probably one of the most entertaining and unique characters that's kind of existed in college football. I mean, he's on Twitter. He's like kind of like putting out little clues and like it's just like this scavenger hunt for his like imagination or whatever. You don't even know what you're doing after a while. You get on these rabbit holes and like then you're looking at like geolocations of where he was raised and stuff online. It's like it gets pretty out there. So, yeah, but going there was awesome. I hadn't gotten to go to a lot of these SEC places to see games.

51:12So I got to go to Ole Miss and the Grove. I mean, it stood up as like one of the best parties. Lane gave me his hotel room in the team hotel or whatever for the night. And so they even had like a charcuterie in there, a couple of night sausages or whatever. And so I got to have those, a couple of juice boxes, which I thought was kind of crazy that somebody would have that's an adult coach or whatever. Yeah, Lane. Yeah, who doesn't love a couple juice boxes or whatever before a bed? But, yeah, so that was just like that experience was pretty unbelievable. But, yeah, we've gotten to go to – been to Alabama, gotten to see a game there, and that's more like a pro – it feels like a pro environment there.

51:53Virginia Tech, that was amazing. That's probably one of the most choreographed fan bases with all of the people that are in the military that are enlistees that are there. So you have like all this like whole like storm of like humanity that's happening. Like while the game's going on, we went to South Carolina, um, LSU. We saw a game at this year. We're going to go to Neyland this weekend. I already went to Neyland once. So yeah, man, sorry to just be talking so much.

52:20Pat McAfee:No, well, this is why you're here. Yeah. Listen, if you would come on our show and just talk for two hours, that'd be great for us. We would certainly take that. So you do and say whatever the hell you please. We're very thankful you're joining us, but have you always been a college ball fan or are you kind of getting baptized by it this year? Because I know you're from Louisiana and obviously I've learned a lot about the people you grew up around. You know, I had a kid in the neighborhood, this had a guy in the neighborhood, this up the street did this. I've learned about your neighborhood. Is it a big college football town?

52:48Pat McAfee:Are you a big college ball guy or is this the first year you're really diving in? And it's okay for either of those answers, by the way, I'm very new to the college ball world and it is epic. I'm a huge fan. Yeah, I think I'm, I mean, I've always been an LSU fan and then I moved to Tennessee. So that, you know, has been kind of a new experience. But this year, I think I've just had the most free time to get involved, you know, and having a team like locally here, that was starting to be a fun place to watch football, I think helped to really start change it, start to change it for me. I just start to I think about how long think about the SEC, right, probably the most notorious conference in college football, at least probably in the past 25 years.

53:31and Vanderbilt has been at the bottom. When you think about the fact that they've been in that conference and just been, you know. Laugh that, bro.

53:40Pat McAfee:Laugh that. Coach Saban was on our show. Coach Saban doesn't talk shit about anybody. Coach Saban's on our show and is like, everywhere is difficult to play in the SEC, all right? Except for Vanderbilt. That was literally what he said. That's how Vanderbilt was kind of viewed. It was like, Jay Cutler went there, but this team stinks. And then NIL Transfer Portal, Clark Lee comes in there, and that place is like really bringing Nashville to life I wouldn't say that but bringing Nashville to a college football town right wouldn't you say yeah I mean it's kind of it's lightly popping I would say I mean you know like some places they'll have like the kiss cam at like halftime or whatever and they have like the reading cam they're like they'll find people that are reading in the stands and stuff so it's definitely like it's a different energy you know um so you know you have to but It's baby steps.

54:25I think it's been interesting to watch a fan base. And this is just an outsider's perspective, but to watch a fan base, they don't know what to do when their team is doing it. You know what I'm saying? There's not a lot of cheers and chants built in. So you'll see at certain points in the season, they started teaching the fan base different cheers and stuff. It's been pretty fascinating.

54:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, it certainly is. And college football fans are our best fans. I think they're the ones that we would put up against the hooligans in Europe whenever you're talking about best fans in the world for something. Super, super passionate group of fans in college football, especially in the SEC. Now, we only have a couple minutes left because Dan Orlovsky just ate it all up. But talking about passion, there's a lot of shit going around with your home state and also Lane. Yeah, Theo, given your connection and your ties to Louisiana, and I believe you went to school at LSU for a little bit, they kind of put all their eggs into, hey, we need to go hire Lane Kiffin.

55:18That is kind of the only option that we have. What do you think will ultimately happen if they don't hire a guy like that? Is Louisiana just going to crumble? Is there going to be mass chaos in the streets? And what should Lane do? One minute, Theo! If I'm laying, I think he's built something great over there at Ole Miss. It's exciting there. People are giving all they can. People are selling things that they sacrificing antiques and stuff like that to be able to like donate to the Grove initiative there. People are trying to get that NIL money. People are selling family recipes to put money. I feel like he's pushed the cart all the way up the hill there.

55:56So to leave right now feels weird. It almost feels like it would be like when Saban left right before he started winning all, you know, just rattling off championships. But that's my thoughts. I don't know what lanes are. You know, he may have different – he obviously has different ideas. I just can't – I don't know who he's trolling. That's the thing. And he's definitely trolling somebody. So I'm intrigued to see who it is. But I just think he – it seems to me like he has such a great life over there that I think he should stay. Now, would he be great at LSU? I think anybody would be great at LSU.

56:26It just wasn't working out for Brian Kelly. There's a lot of good coaches that could be great there.

56:31Pat McAfee:All right. Well, good luck to all of them. Theo, thank you for joining us. Can you talk to us next week? Yeah, dude, I would love to talk about something next week. And let's get freaking, I want to talk about who's going to be in this playoffs, playboy. You got it. We'll join, hey, we'll see you next week. You're the man. You're the greatest. Thank you for everything you've done for us, by the way, over like the last 20 years since real world road rule shit. You're the best. Oh, I'm grateful. I'm going to get some ice cream. Okay. All right. That's Theo Vaughn. See you next time.

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57:48Pat McAfee:football is awesome it's spectacular it's stupendous in the nfl just wrapped up it's week 12 of its season. There was no from 47 year football coach B.A. There was one. That's on me. Talks at the tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. And live from Hammer is AP Tone who we're going to be visiting with here in just a few moments about what the college football playoff committee is going to do tonight and hopefully what the CFP chair is going to say afterwards. Now, I, on game day, college football institution, looked at the camera a couple times and told this Hunter character, who is the new chair of the CFP committee, Hunter Eurocheck, who has been thrusted into the CFP chair position.

58:44Pat McAfee:Because Mack Rhodes, who's no longer athletic director at Baylor, is also no longer the chair of the CFP. That was a week ago that was changed. So Hunter Eurocheck was kind of put into this position. He's out of Arkansas. Guy from Utah gets put into the committee to kind of substitute the Big 12 athletic director loss from Baylor there. So they have kind of a new operation, but 10 of the 12 pieces still in the exact same role that they have been in the entire time. This Hunter Urechek guy comes out after the CFP bracket is kind of laid out, like this is what we see and how we see it. And it's the most important thing of the entire college football world, this thing on Tuesday.

59:19Pat McAfee:It's the one that matters. What happened this weekend? The games. The game's obviously awesome. They set up for this particular group to decide who gets to start at 12 and try to count down to one. It's a big deal. So then whenever the CFP, we can't run it every time. Are you sure? I wish. We don't have enough time. Are we sure? We're not doing it right now. We're not doing it right now. Because I got to make this point. Okay, okay. We're allowed to say, hey, bud, you got to give better answers. Okay? The CFP committee is a big deal. This is very important. It is a lot of money invested, a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of people's lives.

59:51Pat McAfee:so whenever you guys are rolling out what your bracket is and the things and reasons why you're doing it we just need a little transparency we we need a little bit of an answer because we're all covering it talking about it and in love with it so it's like that's a very important role i think hunter maybe his first time out there filling in for mac roads was scared to death i think he was potentially scared to death this week what we want to let hunter know is you know you got it yeah come on now there's a reason you're in that chair and go ahead and give us information. You're allowed to do that.

1:00:21Pat McAfee:Live from Anattica in Ohio, he's a man who is an alumni of the number one team in the country. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawker. Hawker, I know Ohio State fans don't care because the only thing that's on their mind is that team from up north. It's a big one. That's true. It's a big week. How do we feel? You got to feel good. How many days has it been since you guys beat Michigan? Oh, a thousand something. It's been years, yeah, years. Oh, my God. Because they've come into your house. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Is that live right now?

1:00:54Pat McAfee:Oh, my God. Bruce Brown now running computer. Oh, yeah. You know, he had that potted up real quick. Old Bruce or the Michigan fan. Had it yesterday if we needed it. We got it today as well. Yeah, happy. Had that in the back. But that very quickly came up there. 2 ,180. What's that? That's six years. well didn't they you know they bailed out one year covid it didn't play i believe that adds to it in six years time didn't stop it's four uh four straight games i believe right i don't know all i know is it's 2 187 days ago we watch i forgot aiden hutchinson kind of started this entire thing didn't he did if i if i do recall in the snow he's on his second contract The guys are worth$200 million.

1:01:41Pat McAfee:Holy shit. The Buckeyes, obviously a very proud group. Very tough group of people. They were saying to themselves, Ryan Day just can't get it done. This guy needs to get the hell out of town. Loses to Michigan last year. Wins the national championship. Ryan Day is not even allowed to celebrate. That's cool, bub. It's been a couple thousand days since you beat Michigan. Let's go ahead and make sure we do that next year so we don't have to do this whole song and dance. Ryan Day feeling heat. Team feeling heat. You think Ohio State understands that even though they've been the outright number one team in the country basically since week 1.1 after they beat Texas, they've been the number one team.

1:02:16Pat McAfee:They've dominated everybody. They've shown really no weaknesses. They've shown really no—Illinois scored some points on them. I guess that's the only thing you can really say. Other than that, quarterback could win Heisman. Wide receivers could be best players in ball. I think they're back this weekend, which is a big deal. The defense is outrageous, historically good. Special teams, we assume, that is good as well. but they know that if they were to lose to Michigan, nobody would care about any of it, right? Isn't that kind of the entire conversation? Yeah, that's kind of, I think people outside of Ohio and Michigan, they don't completely understand.

1:02:44But yeah, you got to win this one, absolutely.

1:02:46Pat McAfee:And that's, I think, I think that's the beautiful thing about rivalry week. Yeah. And we are in rivalry week right now. Let's head over to Hammer. All the rivals on Friday and Saturday tone. And there's some big ones out there. Shout out to College Ball, always delivering for us on this particular Thanksgiving holiday weekend. Because not only Thanksgiving's packed. Chalked full. Friday, we got a Black Friday game as well, NFL. And then also, yeah, we got full day Friday of rivalry games, full day Saturday of rivalry games. What are the nightcaps? Well, after you watch the NFL game at 3.30 on Prime, you can go ahead and watch Texas A &M in Texas.

1:03:25Pat McAfee:Okay, that's going to be huge. Arch Manning's playing his best ball. Texas is playing their best ball. Texas A &M has obviously been great all year. Marcel Reid might win the damn Heisman. Texas A &M under Elko to the moon. And then on Saturday, yeah, just go ahead and kick back. You got game day kicking off from Ann Arbor at 9 a.m., available on X and on ESPN once again. And then obviously at noon, that game kicks off. And then what's the nightcap? What's happening late at night? Alabama-Auburn, okay, which is going to be gigantic no matter how either team are playing in this thing. So whenever you talk about rivalry, you talk about special matchups.

1:04:00Pat McAfee:Tone, what are you thinking about whenever it comes to these two days of outright great college ball?

1:04:04Darius Butler:It is going to be awesome. And obviously, you know, as they say, rivalry week, you can throw out the records. You better buckle up the chin straps. There is no love lost for these matchups, obviously. But let's start at the Egg Bowl. Ole Miss and Mississippi State, they've been playing this one nonstop since 1944. Obviously, one of the grittiest rivalries in the SEC. In this one, Ole Miss has won two straight. If they win three straight, they're going to go to the playoffs. And tell you what, it's a big storyline for them going to the playoffs, but the bigger storyline may be the decision on Saturday that's coming after the game.

1:04:41Pat McAfee:Is that happening on game day? Do we know that?

1:04:43Darius Butler:I thought that earlier. I was like, is Lane going to do it? Like, literally, is he going to go to that yoga class and then make the decision? Or how does that work?

1:04:51Pat McAfee:I genuinely don't know how that works out. Because they kept saying Saturday, Saturday, Saturday. and I assume it'll just be from like a release or... Press conference. Didn't they say he's having a press conference? That's what I heard. Oh, man. That'd be cool if we had that press conference on Game 3. I mean, what time does he do it? Yeah, either run it on a game day or just have him come to game day or do it there. He's focused on the Egg Bowl. Yeah, allegedly. Well, after the game. Well, they're all focused on the Egg Bowl. That's why they push it to Saturday. Oh, yeah. I've completely turned.

1:05:18I know we love laying up here, so I'm going to bite my tongue. But what? Who are you doing? Bite your tongue? What are you thinking about saying? This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen or witnessed from a college football. What do you mean? By far.

1:05:34Pat McAfee:What's he supposed to do? He's supposed to sign the damn contract. He's supposed to at least come out and say something. This is more ridiculous than free my boy BK. And that's saying something. What is he supposed to do, actually? What do you think he is actually supposed to do in the middle of a college football season? I don't know. I don't know what he's supposed to do. But I know there's not supposed to be some hoopla around it the entire year. I think Lane Kiffin, there's always going to be hoopla. But to your point, I think we should have had an answer by now. But, like, what if he actually has not had the opportunity to learn everything about what a potential decision is?

1:06:04What if they haven't offered him an extension yet? Do we know if they've offered him an extension? Then he should leave. Then he should leave, exactly. Then he should come out and say it. But if he leaves, then what happens? Like, this is the best his teams have ever done. No, I agree. I'm just saying, if Ole Miss hasn't shown faith after what he's done this year and offered him a massive new contract extension, if they haven't done that yet, then if he leaves, the fan base can't say a damn thing.

1:06:27Pat McAfee:Theo said that they're selling family recipes to try to feed the Grove Collective down there. He said they're selling off heirlooms and antiques to try to feed the NIL, which might be a part of the problem. But on that note, it's like if the money is all the same, which we don't know if it is, we have no idea if it is, The difference would be the recruiting, I guess, is the angle that everybody's talking about. It's like in Louisiana, you got guys that just want to go to LSU who are going to be better football players than anybody around Ole Miss that just wants to go to Ole Miss. Florida, same exact thing.

1:07:02Pat McAfee:I guess there's Florida boys that want to go to Florida and have wanted to go to Florida since their parents went to Florida or their dad was a Florida fan or mom was a Florida fan or older brother played for Florida or teammate played, like anything. There's just that happens, I guess, is like the big selling pitch. is like hey these two schools have your draft basically your recruiting pipeline taken care of so whenever you want to do the transfer portal which you're very good at you don't have to necessarily rely on your whole team being transfer portaled in every single year because obviously that's a roll of the dice we've seen florida state go from literally penthouse to outhouse with one transfer portal class and they still trying to get out of that whole thing so i guess that's the advantage of the other side but the other side of it is like that city might be named after you like lane kiffins oxford that's probably why it's a tough situation that's probably why he had like he needs some time to figure this out okay this is a giant opportunity i have no matter what i do like yeah give me a couple days i guess and we have the number six team in the country right now like we are very fucking good football team this is the best team that i've ever had we're going to the i've never like we are this is the best chance that any of my teams that i've been a head coach have of going on a run right now and all of a sudden he's put into a predicament where it's like yeah well we need to find out if you want to go live in another place what the recruiting is like in another place what a transfer portal was like in another place you know yeah you got to do that before all this because the transfer portal placement really screws you over and this whole thing hey i'm trying to beat mississippi state they got the cowbells down there it's very very loud that's all well we don't care about that because if you're going to coach somewhere else we don't even we don't want you to beat mississippi we actually want you to be an ass coach but it would be bad for us yeah but you're gonna take all our players if you leave any it's just i don't know how you're supposed to i genuinely don't know what the right answer is and obviously i chat with lane a little bit i wouldn't i don't think we're like theo and lane very close like i think theo and lane game is hotel you say game is hotel room yeah and his juice boxes yeah juice boxes a little apple juices up there for him yeah and they had good night sausages or whatever the case was but yeah like i think there's a lot of different angles this could go because i guess in old college ball theory you would you would know this you get an opportunity to go coach at lsu or florida you go like that is kind of like old school college football thought is i think is like the natural totally belief in it all like virginia tech getting james franklin i thought was huge gigantic holy hell yeah it's huge really big and nobody expected virginia tech to like james franklin's available oh he must be going to florida then maybe maybe james franklin goes to florida job or whatever and it's like well florida is going to wait for lane and then it's like actually james franklin and virginia tech and I'm like, Virginia Tech?

1:09:37Pat McAfee:And then all of a sudden we're like, well, BA's in there negotiating for this entire fucking thing. Can't tell us anything because he signed an NDA and told us that 10 times. Get himself out of having to tell us anything, I think. It was a good play by you because you're in front of a microphone every single week with us. But James Franklin going to Virginia Tech is not the normal move either. Like James Franklin, I think in this coaching cycle, highly sought after, you would assume he would go to a bigger job in theory, but it's like Virginia Tech is backing him. Virginia Tech financially behind him.

1:10:04Pat McAfee:Virginia Tech ready for it. James Franklin heard everything he wanted. It's like if Lane hears everything from Ole Miss, it's like, hey, we're with you. We're in it. The only thing you're going to have to get past is the recruiting and the stress every single year that you're potentially going to have to rebuild this thing. And it's like, well, how do you make that decision? I guess you go to a 6 a.m. yoga and you try to figure it out. Let's get back to rivalry. Good luck, Lane. Great spot to be in. Good luck, Lane. Great spot to be in. Great spot. He's in a great spot, but inevitably he's going to make a decision that's going to piss off so many people.

1:10:30Oh, for sure. Staring it down. Even the other coaches, because once that, he's the biggest domino. Once that, I'm sure he's getting calls from even other coaches like, hey, what you going to do? Like, make a decision, make a call. So thank God he's doing the yoga and he's locked into his book and kind of staying in it, you know, one day at a time as much as he can. He has an agent, I'm sure, that's handling all of that business. But it's a good spot to be in. Shit, he's getting ready for the biggest rivalry game, getting ready for a playoff play. Hopefully. So it's tough for him. He is. I mean, how would you know?

1:10:59Like, legitimately, we have been talking about Lane Kiffin for a month. We haven't really talked about the team. And I get we've talked about Trinidad, Winadad, and Lacey because he wheels him out behind him. But, like, we really haven't talked about the team. When the college football playoff— It's actually a good distraction. Great distraction. When the college football playoff comes out tonight, guess what we're going to talk about when we see Ole Miss's name up there? Well, is Lane going to be there? Like, I get it. I'm just done with it.

1:11:23Pat McAfee:You know what they're going to do tonight, too? They're definitely going to read that fourth clause. For sure. They're definitely going to read it. Let's make sure everybody kind of understands this. It's a good ball coach. That CFP committee can certainly deduct Ole Miss if they don't think Lane Kiffin's going to be coaching for them. It's right there in the bylaws. Hey, if you don't have Jordan Travis anymore, you cannot go. And then also, if you don't have Lane Kiffin, we're allowed to say you can't go. It's in the bylaws. That's going to be a big talking point, which is then going to lead to the Ole Miss people going, yeah, we need to answer.

1:11:50If you're calling a press conference, like, okay, so do you know because you are calling a press conference to make it a bigger deal want to announce or are you calling a press conference because then you're setting your

1:12:00Pat McAfee:own deadline in your head that i gotta know by then i'm thinking that he did not make didn't want to make a decision i'm thinking that there was a lot of people that probably wanted him to make a decision that's why he wanted to come on and say like there's been no ultimatum made because i think he didn't want to have to think about i would rather not think about the decision is made i don't think which makes i think he's i don't think he's made his decision oh you know him. Obviously, I don't know him. I think the decision is made. Okay. And there's people that say, I know what's going to happen, and you could certainly say that.

1:12:30Pat McAfee:This is Lane Kiffin. And that's why, if you're an Ole Miss fan, if you don't think the decision has been made yet, that terrifies you. Absolutely terrifies you. Because then, what happens in the Egg Bowl could completely shift whatever the decision is. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, yeah, it's like. Because you lose that game and everybody wants to run you out of town. Exactly. All right, fuck it. I'm going. Exactly. That's the. Make it easy. Yeah, but if he's planning on staying. Yeah, they better win by 45, even if it's close. Maybe that's all it is. You lose, hey, they're going to kick me out anyway.

1:13:05See you. No one's mad. Hey, if we win, congrats. I signed an extension. Here we go.

1:13:09Pat McAfee:What do you say? One loss drops you out of the top 10. Two losses drops you out of the top 20. Three losses loses you your job. Get your fire. That's what he said. Maybe he is thinking like, can we just see what happens? I mean, this decision might get made by the Bulldogs here in the Egg Bowl. But also, I don't think he wanted to make a decision. I think he wanted to. I think obviously he's repped by Jimmy Sexton. And the big deluxe is certainly getting all the big numbers and the information like if it was possible. I haven't talked to Lane. Lane's focused on ball. But if it was, what could it look like is what Jimmy's saying.

1:13:44Pat McAfee:So whenever you see these reports like LSU is gearing up to make a blah, blah, blah offer, or Florida is making up, and they're like, why is he listening? It's like, it's not Lane that's calling him saying, hey, so what would the negotiation? This is, there's a man who's very good at his job. Oh, yeah. Maybe goat when it's all said and done. And he hasn't changed a lick since he was, I mean, he's the exact same big deluxe. I mean, this son of a bitch is special. He is obviously a great businessman, which is why he has so much influence, which some people say, is that even legal? Is that even? He is.

1:14:18To represent all of them. Represent a good chunk of coaches and some players, obviously, right?

1:14:22Pat McAfee:He's a weapon. You know, but when you represent a bunch of coaches, everybody talks about like, well, he's able to kind of – it's like, well, you also got these guys like pissed off at him if he's not doing his job. So he's been able to balance basically – he's great business. Jimmy Sexton. The fact that you can balance all those big-time head coaches and that is – think how difficult that must be because they all want the jobs that are open. Jimmy Sexton's a dog. He's absolutely a dog. But people that think Lane Kiffin is reaching out to LSU or Florida and negotiating with him, he's like, that's not happening.

1:14:51Pat McAfee:Jimmy Sexton's saying, hey, if this guy who I also represent was to be your coach, what would it look like? If Lane wanted to come, I'm not saying he does, but if he did want to come, what would that look like? And then I would assume, yeah, after the Egg Bowl, I'll say, I'll say after the Egg Bowl, Jimmy Sexton comes. Jimmy Sexton has a big platter, and he says, here's basically all our options. Got three contracts for you here. Here's what we're thinking. The governor, Jeff Landry, wanted you to know this. You can also go on Gator Hunt, he said. And you get all this stuff. Florida governor, he's not happy about the way Florida's going in.

1:15:25Pat McAfee:He said he can go on Gator Hunt there, too. So we got two Gator Hunts, and then Ole Miss here, Yoga Studio said they will actually give you 15 % of the company. So that is what Jimmy is doing. That is his job. But he's not just doing it for Lane. He's doing it for all the other guys, too, just in case. So I think there's a lot of conflicting stories about what Lane's paying attention to, what he's not paying attention to. And it's like, I genuinely don't think he wanted to make a decision, which is why he wanted to be like, hey, Ole Miss never told me I need to make a decision right now. I think he's trying to push it as far as possible.

1:15:53Pat McAfee:And then I think the earliest that anybody would accept, which is why I think you saw the chancellor put out a message, is like, day after Egg Bowl then. We got to know. Which is an ultimatum then? Yes, but I don't think that was put in place at that time. At that time, I don't think the ultimatum was put in place. Then I think Lane met with them, and I think they were like, he was like, I just don't want to, that's not what I want to focus on. That's a lot of things. There's a lot of things. Like, there's so many things to think about. I'd rather just focus on ball right now. And they're like, well, we need an answer after the Egg Bowl.

1:16:21Pat McAfee:And they're like, sweet, Saturday. Sounds good. Because I think the chancellor put out a message. I was like, we are very committed to Lane Kiffin getting a good win in the Egg Bowl, and then Saturday we will be learning. It's like, I think that was a negotiation on when decision was going to be made, if I had to guess. So I think Lane was trying to push it off as far as possible. They were probably trying to speed it up as much as possible. So the day after this game is when we will do this then, I think is what they came to an agreement on. And I don't know if Lane knows. I don't know if Lane knows.

1:16:49Pat McAfee:What I do know is rivalry week is sweet. And I do know the Ole Miss Mississippi State Egg Bowl might have implications on so many different states, so many different stories, so many different college football dreams could certainly be the case. But obviously Ohio State hasn't won in 2 ,187 days against Michigan. And Georgia, Georgia Tech. You know, Georgia Tech loses the pit last weekend. Crazy. Now this game matters a lot for Georgia Tech. And obviously, Georgia has looked like one of the top teams in the entire country. I was in Eugene last week, and they hate Washington up there. They hate Washington up there.

1:17:22Pat McAfee:Shout out to them, obviously. And then Alabama, Auburn has massive implications for an Alabama team that cannot lose a game. Now, there's a game that a lot of people have not been talking about when it comes to rivalries. But, boy, the two schools involved certainly have. Let's go to last night after George Kittle's big Monday night football performance with Scott Van Pelt. Let's have some fun on the way out here. My producer is an Iowa grad. And I know that there's – my favorite part of this week is how many incredible games there are. There's a nooner in Lincoln. You never lost there. You know, there's a guy that's – he's got a burgeoning media career that's busting with the boys and all that.

1:18:04He's in Nebraska. I don't know how he's doing after what happened at State College. I don't know if you want to address him directly. This floor is yours as it relates to Iowa and Nebraska. Hey, Will Compton, didn't really appreciate your voice memo on the day of my Monday night football game talking crap to me about Nebraska-Iowa.

1:18:23Pat McAfee:Didn't settle with me. You know what? I didn't like it. That's the type of thing Nebraska does. They take cheap shots. Hey, I'm preparing for a Monday night football game on national television, and you're coming to be about Nebraska-Iowa, that means you're scared. You're terrified. You lost by 30 at Penn State? They just fired their coach. You lost by 30? Are you kidding me? I was going to come in there, run the ball down your throat, and there's nothing you can do about it. Sit on the bus that doesn't go anywhere and shut your mouth. Will Compton. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, the man who sits on a bus that doesn't go anywhere and has been representing Nebraska louder than anybody that I've ever witnessed.

1:19:02Pat McAfee:from Bustin' with the Boys and first get up, sorry, Will Compton. Yay! What's up, boys? All right, so you got buried on SportsCenter with Scott Van Pelt last night by George Kiddo. I saw your response, epic, just like most things that you do on the internet. Iowa, Nebraska, not a lot of people thinking about nationally. What do we need to know? And are you actually confident in Nebraska? And if Iowa beats the living dog shit out of Nebraska, which is possible, Are you worried about what old George Kittle might do to you next, Will? You know what I'm talking about. I think when people talk about this Iowa-Nebraska game, because, again, this type of game is for the sickos.

1:19:43These are the sickos who love college football. There's not going to be a lot of points scored. I want to say last year Nebraska punted seven times, Iowa punted nine. It's been decided in one score or less in the last five years. And my confidence never wavers on the big red. George wants to sit there. Number one, like, Iowa guys, they can't use their brains. George is on national television talking about, Will, he wants to, I don't appreciate this. This is a cheap shot. He's going on national television. Can't respond to me directly. I'm going to him to talk to him directly. Privately. Privately.

1:20:13He wants to not respond. He wants to go around and go on national television. Take shots at me when I'm just trying to prepare for some college football on Saturday. I'm watching last night. Volume was on eight. I'm preparing for, I think it was like North Carolina, North Carolina State was where I was in my prep work. Volume was on eight on the TV. All of a sudden, I hear Scott Van Pelt saying, I know you want to talk to your Nebraska friend directly here in a few minutes. I kind of look over. Is George about to talk shit on national television? He don't respond to my text when I'm trying to go to him man-to-man.

1:20:41He wants to take the coward's way out and go and broadcast it to everybody else but doesn't want to talk to me back and forth. That is the Iowa brain at work. And he talks about, you know, we lost by 30 to Penn State last week. Little does everybody know that game was meaningless last week. You think we ran one scripted play in practice against Penn State? No. It's all lies on Iowa Hawkeyes because, yes, we all won a nine on the last ten. That is big brother right now. But this is big brother who's bleeding. They can't even defend their state. They can't even defend their state of Iowa. They lose to Iowa State.

1:21:12What makes you think they can defend the border? I know Ty Schmidt's sitting there shaking in his boots right now because old Matt Rule, Emmitt Johnson, and Willie C is going to run wild on the Iowa Hawkeyes this weekend. Okay. That's all I got. That's the promo. Yeah, that was pretty good.

1:21:25Pat McAfee:That was pretty good. I think you should feel good about the delivery. I think you should feel good. Volume at 8, good idea. Even setting the table a little bit, looking over at it. And then obviously the response was epic. Great promo. I'd say George Kittle dropping right into a wrestling promo immediately upon the question being asked was also a special moment in there. I appreciate that Nebraska feels this way about Iowa. Does Iowa think about Nebraska? I don't. What? No, because they're, I mean. What is the border all about, Will? It turns out it doesn't matter. Will was in, Nebraska wasn't in the Big Ten when you played there, right?

1:21:58You were in the Big 12? We were Big 12 for two years and Big 10 for two years. Willie C went 2-0 against Iowa. Exactly, and that's what I was going to say. So I understand that Will, because he did. He went 2-0 against the Hawks. Willie C did, yeah. Yeah, Willie C did. I mean, Nebraska's 4-10 against Iowa in the last 14. And guess what? Will Compton ain't coming through that door to play on Saturday. He's not. So that's one thing. But, you know, I mean, like you said, this is – am I looking forward to watching this game? No. It's going to be three and a half hours of wanting to rip your goddamn eyeballs out.

1:22:33And whoever has the ball last, we're probably going to see a 58-yard field goal from one way or the other to decide this game. But no, I'm not losing any sleep over Nebraska. Because, you know, why would I? We got Mark Gronoski playing quarterback, okay? Agreed. Dylan Raiola's legs in 55 different pieces. Who's your returner? Caden Weechin. But that's the thing. Nebraska's not going to punt to Caden Weach and they know what he can do. You think they're going to just blast it out of bounds? Yeah, I do. I do because Michigan State should have done that last week and they didn't. Nebraska has the punter that can go

1:23:06Pat McAfee:both ways, right? He's a righty and a lefty if I recall. I have no idea because you know what? I'm not paying any attention to Nebraska. I understand. We've had Matt Rule on the show all year. Exactly. He is a good guy. He is a good guy. Will, you're from Missouri. That's the show me state. Nebraska's going to have to show me something before I'm losing any sleep over that game. Ooh, Willie C, eat that and don't respond. We've talked too much about this game already. Let's move along. You said you were doing your college ball scouting for the weekend. Ohio State, Michigan. Obviously, Taylor, the other bussin' boy, is a huge Michigan alum.

1:23:43Pat McAfee:Michigan stud. 2 ,187 days it's been since Ohio State has beat Michigan. And obviously, everybody from Ohio thinks about it. Everybody from Michigan celebrates it. What are your thoughts on this weekend's matchup? And is this the one where the Buckeyes can finally say, ah, we finally beat this team that has been our only kind of spurring our ass over the last decade of dominance for our team? Yeah. You know, I would have given Michigan no shot before last weekend. They played their best game of ball last weekend. Bryce Underwood had a stat line. The running game's still moving, even with their third-string running back.

1:24:19They can play salty on defense. dude, Ohio State, you see it from afar. You're an internet guy watching the victory laps, the patting on the head, everything that happens. And when they were 20-something point underdogs last year, people talk like, did ego get in the way of Ohio State and they wanted to beat them in a certain way and that kind of got in their way and they end up dropping that game to where they're planting flags on the field. I mean, you got kids reenacting plays of planting the Michigan flag on Ohio State's field. and you know Ryan Day wakes up in a sweat in the middle of the night just thinking about this game.

1:24:58Everybody's fired up for this game. The hype, I hope it lives up to expectation. I think Michigan has a good shot to keep it close, even squeak out a win, get an upset. I know that would torture Ohio State fans, but you called me earlier and you gave me a little whisper. I, you know, if you don't, if you cannot put this on the show.

1:25:15Pat McAfee:What? No, don't do it. We're live. We're live. You got it. Say it quietly. I think, I'll say it quietly because we can't let people hear this. I do think Ohio State handles business. I think this is where they get the monkey off their back. I hate saying that because I love my boy. I am riding with Michigan with the points here. But there's a massive opportunity. There's a massive opportunity for Ohio State to beat the living hell out of Michigan. I just want to see chaos. I'm a pro chaos guy. Just give me chaos 10 times out of 10. Somebody's a slight underdog. They can kind of disrupt the entire system by getting a win.

1:25:52I want to see it happen because I want to see the internet just up in flames at all times. That's what I love about the sport of the internet.

1:25:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, the sport of the internet is obviously one that's very intense and active all the time. The sport of college. Hey, Pat. Pat, let me ask you. Are we still? Because I know what A.J. This is where we're dumping. This is where we're dumping. A.J. can't even hear us right now. Go ahead. Yeah, I can't hear you. I know where A.J.'s going. Pat, what do you think about this game? What do you think about Ohio State, Michigan? I want to let you know I can't wait to get up to Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor can't wait very thankful for all those Ann Arbor students that will hang out with us uh 9 a.m on Saturday I will say the location of our set is always very far away from the stadium so it's always an interesting thing because we have to hop on golf carts drive like what is seemingly 10 miles to get to the stadium and then go inside so it's always a bit chaotic up there but boy it's an honor to be amongst all the Ann Arborans and all the great people in Michigan there's billionaires walking around everywhere billionaires kids just going to school it's a lot of fun.

1:26:47Pat McAfee:I think it's going to be a great matchup, Willie C. That's what I think. I think it's going to be a really good game. That's what I think. We got to wait to see what happens when you got that shirt off. By the way, hey, your body, you look good out there with that shirt off. I know you've been putting in the work. I know you've been in the sauna and working out. You look good. You look good. Thank you. We can say that louder though. You don't have to do inside voice for that one. We're allowed to let other people hear that. A lot of good science, Willie C., as you know as well. But science doesn't work if you don't.

1:27:12Pat McAfee:That's what I've been told. So I've been trying to become a better human. I've been trying to become a better human in it all. I wish I could grow a mustache like what you have on your face right now. But I think this game is going to live up to the hype. And I can't wait to get up to the Michigan. And everything I said there is true. We do take golf carts like 45 minutes to get to the stadium. They'll have like – Jen Lotto will have a 20-minute piece. Then they'll have somebody – Pete Dammell will maybe break down the entire season for like 15 minutes. And then we get in there into the stadium.

1:27:38Pat McAfee:It's so – there's just humans everywhere, though. I mean, that's 100 plus thousand. What's the big house? What is it? 101? what 109 maybe like 110 or something yeah so many fucking people that is so many human beings at one place let alone outside of it and around it it does feel it's special place to be lucky to be there hope the game lives up to the hype all right let's talk about some other shit happening around the sports world go ahead con man yeah well a lot of hair ago for you you said joe burrow was the best quarterback in the nfl when healthy finally he's back on thanksgiving night versus the ravens and his record versus the Ravens is pretty filthy.

1:28:13I think he's got like 21 touchdowns, five picks. He's averaging like 300 yards a game versus him. What do you think about the Bengals? Do you think they're going to make a run at it here, maybe come back a little bit? They're banged up very much so. T. Higgins out. Jamar Chase back from the spit. Do you think that since he can make a run here? Jamar Chase back from the spit. Joe Burrow back from injury. Do those things make the defense play better? I don't know. I don't think so. Like if Joe Burrow's out on the field under center, does that mean the second effort there against old big boy from the Steelers a couple weeks ago is he actually going to throw his face in the fan instead of kind of coddle up and fold when the lights get on him?

1:28:52I have no clue. I like him this week against the Ravens. I like some chaos. They won't go on a run because, again, their defense is brutal. But I would love to see Joey B light it up first game back, like a month ahead of schedule with his injury, especially a turf toe. Like anybody who's had turf toe know that's a tough injury to come back from. I mean, he got under the scope with it, too. He had to get surgery. But I like Joey B this weekend against the Ravens.

1:29:15Pat McAfee:Let's talk about the Bengals as a whole. When they put their team together the way they did and spent the money that they spent, did you think to yourself, oh, that's how teams that have won football games have done it in the past? Do you think they'll ever be able to win? So much money on a few offensive players. Like, absolutely not. That's a shame, isn't it? That's a shame we all kind of talk. Yeah, it is. It's a shame. It's a shame. It's like you kind of see, you know, teams that try and do that. George is calling. Oh, we got it. We got it. Yep, yep, absolutely. Back to rivalry week. Here we are.

1:29:47Pat McAfee:Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, George. We're live, we're live, we're live, we're live. We're live right now. Can you say hello? Can you wait? Hey, congrats on a big night last night, George. Hell yeah, go Hawks, go Hawks. Go Hawks, go Hawks. Go Promo. They tagged me on Twitter. I'm trying to get a massage right now, get my body right to go play in Cleveland this week. And you're just taking cheap shots again. Okay, cheap shot guy This is the first time you've been face to face with me Because I tried FaceTiming you yesterday And you took the coward's way out It's early in the morning when I FaceTimed you You had all day long to respond to your boy But you want to go like Hey, Scott Van Pelt Let me go on your show and talk to Willie C Everybody sees that you're rattled right now You don't get to go on Scott Van Pelt You get asked to go on Scott Van Pelt I don't know if you've ever been on Scott Van Pelt But it's an honor to work with that legend You called Pat to get on his show, didn't you?

1:30:38No. Okay, no, no, no, no. Don't try it. I know it's me. Don't disrespect me right now, Jordan. I'm trying to keep my head above water.

1:30:48Pat McAfee:I hate you this week, and I'm going to hug you next week. I love you. Take care of yourself. Hate me now. Love me later. Love that. Amen. Love everything about that. You said it. All right. We just talked about the Bengals obviously having a recipe for success, which we all certainly know. I'm happy that happened. I'm happy you guys are that type, by the way. That's a beautiful thing. I don't know who posted this photo. It's messed up. I don't like this. Oh, yeah. Come on. Photoshop, man. AI is crazy, man. That looks real. That looks real. You look good. Yeah, you look great. Wait, is that? Are you on the same science as me, bro?

1:31:23Pat McAfee:Hey. I don't know if I'm putting the same science in my body as you. I need to get on that plane. I need to hit you up on the side. Like, hey, what do we got going here? I'm soft right now. The affinity people are good people. You need to know that the affinity people are good people. Let's talk about great people. There has been a semifinals list put out about the greatest of all time. Go ahead, D-Bug. Oh, yeah. Well, let's see. I got to put you on the spot here, too. Played a long, long time in the league, nine years. Not sure where we're at with year 10, if that's still up in the air. But I got to get you to pick five of these guys that's going to get into the Hall of Fame.

1:31:52Not sure if you can see the names up here. I know a couple for me, teammate Vinny, Robert Mathis, Larry Fitzgerald, obviously first ballot, Drew Brees, probably first ballot, Luke Keekly. But those are probably my five, I think, off the top. Who do you think is going to get in? this year with this finalist list? Oh, what a spot to be in right here. I can kind of read half of the list. Luke Keekly, like that to me, Luke Keekly no matter what. That was my king growing up, along with you too, AJ Hawk. Of course. Dude, we're talking about the Hall of Fame. All these guys are great. You ask me on any given day, any time of the day, I'm like, yeah, that dude, he seems like a Hall of Famer.

1:32:29I have absolutely no clue who should get into the Hall of Fame. Drew Brees, hell of a player. Phillip Rivers, hell of a player. Frank Gore, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten, Luke Keekly, Rodney Harrison. Dude, I have no clue. That's above my pay grade. I never played at a level to where I could even flirt with the idea of the Hall of Fame, even though my five years will be coming up here very shortly. Okay. But that'll be talked about, I'm sure. Yeah, we'll see.

1:32:52Pat McAfee:We'll see. But I have no clue. I have no clue. They all deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. You never know if you'd be a Hoffnom, brother. You never know if you'd be a Hoffnom. You never know. I'm a three-time Hoffnom. I think they felt obligated strictly because I'm on a microphone. Now, talking about that, one of the Hoffnoms this year was Mr. A.J. Hawk. Let's go, Hawk. A.J. Hawk, get back to the semifinals, but we'll get there next year. We'll get there next year, A.J. And obviously, anytime your name is associated with any of this, it's special. And I think we all hold the Hall of Fame in such high regard.

1:33:22Pat McAfee:I think it's one of those things that every player has respect for. And whenever you watch these greats, have emotional moments whenever they're told that they're going to live on forever in the Hall. It's a beautiful thing. Impossible task, figuring out who deserves to go in and who doesn't deserve to go in. Because it's like Phil Rivers. Phil Rivers was like a starting quarterback in the NFL. A very good one for 20-some years or whatever the case is. What did he win? What did he win? It's like a lot of games. No, that's what I'm asking. I'm not asking about that. I'm asking about Super Bowl.

1:33:52Pat McAfee:And then you skipped right over one person. You were reading that graphic. Skipped over Eli Manning. Willie C did. Willie C just skipped right over Eli Manning. Go ahead. That was intentional, Eli. I'm on the show right now from my phone, so the ones that are bolded, those are the ones.

1:34:08Pat McAfee:But that's a whole other conversation. It's his final record. What's his final record? And it's like, who cares? He's Eli Manning. You don't think he should live on forever? It's like, Bruce, how do you view the Hall of Fame? Obviously, you've been around a long time. Your name's going to be up for it. You're going to be in conversations about it for the rest of your life, whether you're in it or talking about going in it, which seemingly becomes a thing. What are your thoughts on the Hall of Fame and how it should kind of be handled? Yeah, it's the ultimate. I mean, I've sat in that crowd now for like four or five years because I've had a guy go in the last four or five years, and it's just amazing.

1:34:36What a day. And, you know, to see the families and everybody there. Obviously, Rondé Barber was my last one, and he's like my nephew. So, yeah, Hall of Fame, that's it.

1:34:46Pat McAfee:How about them voting? What do you think the thoughts are like? Yeah, to me, when those guys get in there and start fighting it out, you've got to have a hell of a guy representing you. I have found that out. If you've got a meek, mild guy that's your reporter, you ain't getting it. I said that for a while. Yeah. You got to have a dog. You got to have a dog in there fighting. So we've had a guy who I think everybody has respect for, obviously. His name now is on the - Media room or whatever. The journalist super duper area at the Colts facility and everything like that. And obviously I have respect for him a lot.

1:35:15Pat McAfee:But it took Dwight Freeney a long time to get in. And it's like, how is this even a case? And then I started hearing the same thing you're hearing. Well, at the table, the person representing has got to fight for it. It's like, well, that guy doesn't really like me. He put me on the, that guy put me as like the third team punter for the Colts whenever he put the Colts together. And I'm like, he's the one that's in there? I mean, fuck me. I don't deserve to go in there. But like anybody else that he potentially has like just a little bit of slight against, it's like he's the one representing the entire, I don't know how that, that's a scary situation.

1:35:44Pat McAfee:Maybe we need to reevaluate how these decisions are made. For all things Willie C, maybe we just have future Hoffnoms like Willie C get the pen and start sending people in. Maybe that's what we need to do. I would love that whether it's Heisman voting, Hall of Fame voting I would love to be part of all that stuff give me a pen and paper and I'll let something rip I love that any NFL stories we should talk about that you are really keen on? you won't like this one but I, again, pro chaos would love to see some chaos in the AFC South I'd love to see, there's an opportunity for the Houston Texans and all the momentum that they have to beat the Colts this weekend I'm not saying it's going to happen I just think Colts drop one again.

1:36:26A little bit of doubt coming in the locker room a little bit. Texans on an absolute heater. If the Jaguars take care of business this weekend, you got three teams there in the AFC South that, again, AFC South, nobody really talked about division. That division, like, as the season started to unfold. But then you got three teams right now who'd be one game away from each other. And, dude, I've been taken beating after beating for my Chiefs take last week because I had the Colts. I had Danny Jones just being the guy to take down the dynasty.

1:36:54Pat McAfee:and yeah you saw him right there yeah yeah it would have been nice if we put him away okay and it looked easy early but to your point about the AFC Southfield Yates just kind of put this tweet out Colts play the Jags and Texans twice in the final six weeks so you talk about chaos it's very available now the Tennessee Titans seemingly not even existing you know Cam Ward can make a couple throws very very well can they put anything around him that he's going to have a great football career tbd for sure but the other three teams to your point really taking off really taking off and the chiefs might still be the chiefs brother we're just not 100 sure yet no listen they won a game they won at arrowhead the chiefs they're not still the chiefs the dynasty will fall it just hasn't happened yet oh i didn't know you're a hater you you're a chiefs hater you you don't listen i i appreciate greatness i respect greatness whenever their doc comes out for the Chiefs whenever that whole Dynasty docuseries comes out.

1:37:47I will be right there on opening night because I love everything that they've ever done. I like to have a little bit of fun on the internet. It feels like the Chiefs fans, you can kind of rattle them a lot of the times. And so I always appreciate a good little banter back and forth on the internet.

1:38:04Pat McAfee:I respect what you're doing here. Trolling. Just a little bit of chaos. Theo Vaughn just said, Lane Kiffin's trolling somebody. We just don't know who it is. He said every tweet he puts out is some scavenger hunt into his mind. And it's like, that's not a place you want to be. Who knows where he's going? What do you think about Lane's situation? Dude, Lane has such an opportunity to be the biggest hero of all time or the biggest villain of all time. The way he's kind of maneuvered. Again, he says he doesn't know what he wants to do. A lot of me just believes this dude might just be making a decision on Friday or Saturday.

1:38:40But, dude, if they win this Egg Bowl and he comes out and says he's staying at Ole Miss, like me, I would love to see him go as far as maybe he's telling LSU and Florida that he's coming. Like when the game ends, he's texting them like, hey, these are going to be one of my spots. Gets Florida and LSU to believe. And just at the last second, he announces that he's staying at Ole Miss, tries to take shots at his competition by dragging him along this entire process and just stay home with Ole Miss. He would be the biggest hero of all time. But I'm telling you right now, if he leaves and he breaks, he would be ripping the heart out of the chest of Ole Miss, and they would hate him so much because it would have went down in such an ugly way.

1:39:19I'm hopeful that he stays because, again, Ole Miss puts out their thing, hey, an announcement's going to be made after the Egg Bowl. Then something leaks on Sunday, like LSU's prepared to offer$90 million, $100 million, a billion dollars to Lane Kiffin. It seems like, hey, he might be leaning that way. I hope it's just all a drag-along troll sesh. He's trying to hurt the competition, and ultimately he stays home at Ole Miss.

1:39:39Pat McAfee:All right. I think a lot of people are saying the same thing. I wonder if he's listening or if he's already made up his mind like D-Buds. He's already made up his mind, and we kind of know. No, we don't. AJ knows. He's out of there. I know. What? Tate told everybody he knows. They can't be too mad at him. Fans can't be too mad. It's how it works. It's how the game works. It is. Will. Got it. Hey, Will, I want to ask you quickly about chaos. You talk about that. Well, first off, a two-part question. And Vrabel, are you surprised how quickly, I guess, he's like, the culture has got into the New England Patriots and how good they are?

1:40:10And second part, would you rather get punched in the balls or spit on? Good question. On the football field, that is. Great question. To answer the second question, I'd rather get punched in the balls than spit on. Yeah. Agreed. Vrabel, I'm not surprised. Like, you just see the way this team's operated, the culture that's been, like, leaking into that team. Like, Stephon Diggs is fired up. You got Henry the tight end, Drake May. You have all these hot Mike moments with Vrabel and the way that everybody's kind of talking to each other, the leadership that goes on. And Drake May is just a superstar right now.

1:40:43The dude, he operates well in the pocket, super poised. It never seems like he gets rattled whatsoever. Always seems like they have the perfect touch on the football. New England, man, they've been – I'm surprised that they are this far ahead in the rebuild. I know people hate to hear the term rebuild and everything like that. But, dude, it looks like they're going to win that division. I still have them winning the division. It's easier to say now. I was talking about them upsetting the Bills back in September, I believe it was. But they're in a prime spot, dude. They're going to be competing for the one seed in the AFC, which is nuts to think about.

1:41:15Like you talk about before the season, it'd be what? Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. Who's going to get the one seed in the playoffs this year? Those four quarterbacks. And now we're sitting here. It's the Broncos and the New England Patriots. We're talking about Bo Nix and Drake May. Who's going to get the one seed in the playoffs? And Danny Jones. And Danny Jones. Jesus. I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Afterthought. Kind of an afterthought. Oh, my God. But they dropped. I'm just saying the two lost teams right now, it's the Broncos and the Patriots.

1:41:44Pat McAfee:I understand you had the Colts beating the Chiefs this past weekend, so you looked bad publicly, so you got to hold it against us all of a sudden. Just know we still have Jonathan Taylor, okay, and maybe he wasn't able to run for shit against the Chiefs in Kansas City on grass, which people are starting to talk about in outdoor stadiums on grass. Off of bars. We're back in the lot house this weekend. Just look for us to turn it up. Who are you guys playing? Good team. A pretty good team. Tough defense over there. Pretty good defense, yeah. Don't you worry about the Houston Texans. Oh, I'm not.

1:42:14I'm not worried about anybody unless you're at the top, baby. Okay. All right. Willie C, we appreciate you, man.

1:42:19Pat McAfee:Good luck on all your chaos everywhere you go. All right, boys. Love you. Thanks for having me on, Pat. You too, man. What's the final score? All right. All right. Happy Thanksgiving, man. All right, let's pivot away from Willie C. football, and let's go to BA football. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, so that means it's time for BS or no BS with BA. Now, BA, obviously, this has become one of our favorite segments of the week because you, a man with 47 years of football coaching experience, tell us if a narrative or a quote that is being mentioned publicly is either BS or no BS in your eyes.

1:42:59Pat McAfee:Let's get to the first one. Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in receptions, tarries, and broken tackles. He needs to be in the MVP conversation. Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? No, that's no BS, definitely. I mean, what he's doing right now, and I always say, when you put your name in the history of the NFL, he's got a chance for 1 ,000 and 1 ,000, the only guy to ever do it twice. And, you know, after watching that game the other night, last night. He's going to get the ball enough. He just hope his legs can hold up. Everybody's talking about Jonathan Taylor being the running back that would be in the MVP conversation.

1:43:33Pat McAfee:Bijan Robinson had a conversation a little bit earlier. Christian McCaffrey hasn't really been a part of this convo really yet until, I think, today whenever these stats are coming out. Has this been a Christian McCaffrey year? Obviously, he's getting the ball as much as he is. Is he going to be able to finish? Is this Niners team go as he goes, obviously? Totally. He is the offense. So he is valuable. He's the offense. He and George Kittle. And George Kittle comes off of all the fakes to Christian McCaffrey. You know? And so this guy is amazing to me. Everybody thought he was too small coming out.

1:44:04The dude's a horse now.

1:44:06Pat McAfee:He is an absolute horse. That band workout. AJ, I don't know if you saw it. They showed him. He had a guy holding a band, strength coach holding a band. Gray band, thick band. Oh, yeah. Holding it. And then he was just warming up. And it was just, I was like, golly. It was hard not to just notice that the dude's bottom half is a horse. This guy's an actual stallion, and he has to be, I guess, because of how many times he gets the ball, how hard he runs, how explosive he is, how many hits he takes. Everything about him is like tough football player, which is why we've lost him a few different times to different injuries.

1:44:37Pat McAfee:And it's like riding Christian McCaffrey is certainly electrifying. I hope he can finish, and can they be another team that is a running back-led team through the playoffs, AJ? Yeah, I think they can just because of how versatile he is. He's a legit receiver and a running back for you. He gives, trust me, there's linebackers all over the league that are terrified that they're going to have to cover him out of the backfield. I just hope right here, when D-Lyman are retracing, those are those big shots that you eat, and hopefully those guys don't land on him. Those are the only ones I worry about.

1:45:03Pat McAfee:D-Bot, what do you think about Christian McCaffrey's MVP conversation? Because they always say V is for valuable. It's not the most best player. It's the most valuable player. He's going to have the most receptions and the most touches running, maybe in the league. That's pretty valuable. I mean, that's insane. I found that out, I think, last night, which most of us did. He's leading the league in receptions and carriage, which is nuts. The reason he kind of hasn't been in the conversation, I think, up to this point is because he hasn't had that year, especially on the ground, where he's averaging like five or six or seven yards to carry.

1:45:31I think he was around like four or less carry-wise, but he gets the ball so much in so many different ways. But he's unbelievable. He can definitely beat. That offense is going to go as two, three goes for sure.

1:45:42Pat McAfee:Hembo stat here about him being the NFL leader and a bunch of different stats here. Rush attempts, receptions, touches, yards from scrimmage, you name it. So it's like Christian McCaffrey is the San Francisco 49ers offense. And then we got Brock Purdy getting back into form, regressing. In form. Okay. Because you didn't have a lot of hope for him early. No. But Christian McCaffrey in the MVP conversations, congrats to CMC. Let's go to the next quote here, B.A. Yeah, Bruce, with how this Cowboys team is playing right now, if they take care of business on Thanksgiving versus the Chiefs, they will make a run to the playoffs and possibly win the Super Bowl?

1:46:20Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? That's BS, brother. What? Come on. I'll tell you, if they win five out of six, that tie might get them in because their conference record really is not – they lose all the tiebreakers. And they are playing really good right now. I think the happiest guy in the world right now is Jerry Jones because everybody's, oh, Jerry did the right thing. A hell of a job with Quentin Williams. But Dak's playing good. The receivers, the offense is playing good. I mean, they've got to win them all, in my opinion. They're going to lose the tiebreaker.

1:46:53Pat McAfee:Okay, so you're saying they have a very, very hard road ahead if they were to make it to the end. Very tough. So although we all like the way they're playing right now, and we might pick them in a lot of these games going forward to win, we think they dug themselves too big of a hole early. Yeah, and I think the big one will be at Detroit. I think that's going to be a huge, huge game. Might be for both teams. Yeah, and that's primetime next week, too. They got Thanksgiving this week, and then you see right there, they got Cowboys at Detroit on Thursday Night Football. Now, we will say we're very thankful that the Dallas Cowboys are good at football because they are going to be on primetime television because Jerry Jones is the owner, and that is how it goes.

1:47:27Pat McAfee:I think we're going to see very good football from Dallas Cowboys. It's going to be a classic Cowboys scenario. Yes. Like, good football team just can't make it. They weren't able to catch up. All offseason, we're going to say, hey, remember, Dallas Cowboys are a really good football team, even though they didn't make the playoffs. And that's synonymous with the entertainment level of who the Dallas Cowboys are. They are a show more so than a team at this point. And right now the show is very good football. Absolutely. I think Ty said it earlier in the week. This is truly a win-win for Dallas and Green Bay with the moves that they made.

1:47:57But the thing I love about the Cowboys, since we know they're going to be on primetime, win or loss, they're a fun team to watch. Especially with Dak is spinning it. And then the trade they made for Quentin, obviously he's dominant on the field. I don't know if you guys heard it or not, But it was a player after the game who kind of talked about what happened at halftime and kind of how Quinnen kind of took the leadership role. And that's – you don't hear that often with a guy who's coming in, you know, six, seven, eight weeks into the season kind of taking that role. And you can tell the team responded, being down 21, divisional opponent, like a big time, pretty much playoff mode right now for the Cowboys.

1:48:30So I'm excited to see how this kind of final stretch turns out.

1:48:33Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think a lot of people are saying big bro about Quinnen. I think I already have heard that from people around the defense. And I think I heard Quinnen talk about how it's an interesting role where he's like, I'm a little bit one of the older guys all of a sudden. And I've played and I've been in situations. And I think his personality lends to people to gravitate towards him. From what I've seen from Quinnen Williams, I don't know him personally. And Jerry obviously brings in a guy who's now a magnet of positive energy and experience, and they're setting that D-line up in the middle for everything that Jerry Jones has been talking about.

1:49:05Pat McAfee:You talk about him being the happiest guy because of these moves. George Pickens wasn't on this team before the season started. He's now on their team with a big-time move. But also, he might have hit that$100 billion honey hole. We still have yet to get an update on that honey hole that he was kind of eyeballing that had$100 billion. The reason why I'm talking to you, Wall Street Journal, and not worrying about Dallas Cowboys defense is because there is, from my understanding, $100 billion in natural gas three miles down. Nobody's able to get three miles down. I'm putting$1 billion up to try to get these pops to get down three miles to get$100 billion in natural gas.

1:49:39Pat McAfee:That was four weeks ago. Now he's back at the game, sitting in the suite. Did this son of a bitch get to three miles deep and find$100 billion while also figuring out a football team? Well, I would say you could argue that it might be the other way around. He went down there, and it was just a septic tank that was pumping shit, and he was like, oh, fuck. Now I've got to go make a couple trades and shore up this defense. Oh, this is not good. People are going to kill me. I think that probably lends itself for it Now he is all in on the Cowboys because guess what? He doesn't have$100 billion down there.

1:50:09Pat McAfee:I do not know what this exactly means that Bruce is showing me, but some stock is up and to the right. We're pumping. We're pumping. We're up and to the right, 40 % of this month. Oh, it just went up. Okay, all right. So Jerry's living very good is what you're saying, and his team looks good. Who knows if they'll be able to make the playoffs with how deep of a hole they dug themselves in earlier. All right, let's go to the last BS or no BS with BA. Yeah, Coach, Drake May, Mike Vrabel, and the New England Patriots are an absolute wagon and will be the number one seed in the AFC.

1:50:46And Stafford, McVay, Devontae, Puka, and a young defense full of dogs will be the number one seed in the NFC. Is that BS or no BS? And that's both sports. Yeah, exactly. That is no BS. Both these teams are rolling. What?

1:51:00Pat McAfee:That's two different quotes. Okay. Wow. That's a big deal. It's historic. Wow. Holy shit. What Brayville's done in New England and Drake May is playing lights out. And when you talk about these young quarterbacks, you got to be able to play from the pocket. He can play from the pocket. And then Matthew Stafford, the fountain of youth. And then that defense is legit. Young defense, four dogs, how we described it. It feels like they really came together last year. Towards the end, they took the Eagles to the limit in the snow. So one incompletion or one sack away from beating the Eagles, obviously, and maybe becoming Super Bowl champions yet again.

1:51:35Pat McAfee:Puka Naku is untacklable whenever he gets a rock, B, eh? He's a big, strong, active guy, and they do such great things. You know, the one thing Sean always does, his receivers block. I mean, they block, and they're really good blockers, and it sets up so much of that underneath stuff that Puka and those guys just, they're run-after-catch guys. Tell me about Devontae Adams on the goal, and he has more one-yard touchdowns in the history of the NFL than anybody else at 15. They've seemingly found a cheat code. Instead of the tush push, we'll just put Devontae out there on an island and let him have a two-way go?

1:52:04Yeah, he has a two-way go, and then probably they'll have a little eye contact if I'm going in or out. And, you know, Mike Evans has had that for a long time. He had it with Tom Brady.

1:52:14Pat McAfee:Dronk had it. Just, hey, whatever technique he's playing, I'm going the other way. All right? Block them all up. I'm going to win. And Devontae's been doing it for a long time. He had it with Aaron Rodgers forever. And Stafford's not going to miss. No, not at all. B.A., your classic quote is, Stafford, only guy I go out to watch throwing warm-up. Unbelievable, man. His arm is, and he still got it. Oh, he went into that trailer. Yeah. Came out throwing it better. That was B.S. or no B.S. with B.A. We appreciate you, B.A. The show will roll on digitally here. You know, we're lucky to be able to do this for a living.

1:52:50Pat McAfee:It's on these particular days where we get in the dumbest conversations where I really wonder why anybody watches. but we certainly are very appreciative that they do, AJ. Isn't that right? Absolutely, 100%. And there's not really a time to ever tell people like, hey, you work your ass off. You should spend money on stuff that we are selling because that's just very rude. Everybody understands how we're doing as a company, where we're at now versus where we were. But we currently have a 25 % off sale happening at store.patmagfyshow.com because we're in meaningful football season. Exactly. We're in meaningful football season.

1:53:20Pat McAfee:So 25 % off the whole store. Do not feel obligated. We are okay as a business. But if you would like to rep and say hello and everything like that, we'd be very grateful. We have a lot of things. And that speaker is actually kind of sick. The helmet is actual Riddell sports helmets. And we'll be signing a bunch to send in kind of randomly. All right. Have a good one. We can. Yeah, we're over. Yeah, that's it. I feel like I really nailed it. Oh, yeah. Are there full-size helmets? Many helmets. So we have, I think there's a few hundred of them. we will randomly send an autographed one with uh some of the order of the helmets i don't know how many we should do i don't know how many we have here versus how many are in another place we'll randomly sign 20 of them there you go okay we'll randomly sign 20 of them uh no we will definitely sign 20 of them then we will randomly send them to purchasers of the riddo mini helmet or whatever so then you can have two helmets one of them will be signed instead or we just replace the one that they bought with a sign no they should get a blank one too we don't know what they want yeah they want to bang their head around put on their cat's head and run them into the wall yeah that's gonna be sweet we should send them a blank one yeah oh yeah because they already bought a blank one boom yeah so we'll send 20 other ones randomly throughout people that purchase it shout out to riddell from what my understanding they reach out to us wow hey we want to make some helmets sweet yeah and there's legit help they uh oh yeah actual helmets in there which is awesome Very thankful they did that.

1:54:47Pat McAfee:Got some golf polos, hats, a couple flags, T-shirts with a little thing, and then the back has Forda brand on it. A couple Pat McAfee show things. Very, very grateful for anybody that reps our shit in public. And obviously, there's not always a good time to rep our shit in public. I'm in public as me. It's not always a great time. You know, there are certainly times where things, oops, you know, a little something stuff happens, and then all you got to do. But we will certainly be grateful to anybody that reps our shit. And 25 % off everything in the Meaningful Football Sale. And from my understanding, the back end, Shop 412, folks, should be pretty good.

1:55:20Okay. Here we go.

1:55:22Pat McAfee:I think the quality is all good. But I'm saying like the logistics of. Distribution. Taking order, fulfilling order, sending order, receiving order. Sure. That whole process, a lot of fun. That's a really fun process, you know, especially when you're dealing with warehouses and people who don't give a fuck if your company looks good or not. This one, from my understanding, Shop 412, people went to high school with them. They are very excited and eager to do it. So let's lean in a little bit. And it's good shit. We got some really good shit. The putter head cover is awesome at the bottom of the screen there.

1:55:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, and the bag is awesome. I mean, there's a lot of really good shit. They put a lot of work into thinking of things. That would be nice. And also shit that we use. So I actually use this stuff whenever I'm traveling. So I'm very thankful for that. 25 % off everything. Hopefully you'll be able to purchase it. If not, we're okay. And if you don't want to buy it, we understand. If you want to make a knockoff version, all right. My mom used to wear Indianapolis Colts jerseys from a different country, far, far away, that had my name on it because it was$20 as opposed to$299. Sure. You do what you got to do for your life, okay, and have a great Thanksgiving.

1:56:30Pat McAfee:Let's take a break on the other side. We got so many things we got to catch up on. Oh, yeah. So many stories that we need to talk about. Are we talking soccer again? I hope not. Are we? Did we play again? We had a full conversation. About how we got to show the sport respect. World Cup's in like 10 months, isn't it? So far away. But also so close.

1:56:55Darius Butler:Berhalter plays on Saturday night. In San Diego. Okay. Never mind then. Listen, we will watch Berhalter, please. Lamar plays today. Why can't he play for the Sounders, though? Vancouver. That does suck. No thanks. He loves it there. Oh, he doesn't. Does he? Yeah, he said it in the interview.

1:57:16Pat McAfee:Actually, I guess he was playing for another team in America, and he lost his love for soccer and almost stopped playing, and he went up there and he fell in love with soccer again.

1:57:24Darius Butler:Didn't go too well at Austin FC.

1:57:25Pat McAfee:I wasn't going to call it the place. Gumpy wanted it. I mean, come on. That's McConaughey. What happened? I don't know. Sometimes it just doesn't match. It doesn't fit. Sometimes you're going through something in life maybe. It's not the right time. Then you find the perfect place, the perfect time, Perfect situation. You take advantage. And that's Berhalter's soccer. Get him down to Miami. Oh, we need him playing with Messi a little bit, actually. Yeah. The only issue is Messi on the field, Berhalter will not hit any free kicks. We do need him to get very comfortable hitting free kicks. And Messi might get a little jealous.

1:57:59Pat McAfee:Yeah, especially if he takes a short run. This guy's unbelievably handsome.

1:58:02Darius Butler:He is playing with Thomas Mueller, legend from Germany at Vancouver. He's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Oh. One of the legends of the game. He's not going to hurt you. Isn't he a bit long in the tooth? Tomas Mueller? Yeah, he's unbelievable. He's like the Ragnar of the MLM. Do you know Guten Tag Mueller? No, sir. He played for Bayern. Shock. Yeah, he was a Bayern Munich. Whitecaps whole season turned around when he went there. Didn't he win the World Cup with Tony Cruz and Ozil? Yeah, Messit Izil. There it is.

1:58:34Pat McAfee:You guys are just FIFA. This is straight from FIFA. Oh, yeah. Glory days, man. I remember watching that, yeah. It's awesome. You're watching? I don't know. Watching the World Cup back. Yeah. I mean, like I said, when World Cup comes around, I am highly invested. Yeah. And Ozil's got some Mr. Bean in him. He does. I used to love. Oh, what an absolutely wonderful strike from Messy Hazel. He was an Arsenal guy?

1:58:57Darius Butler:He went from Real to Arsenal, yeah. Boom!

1:59:00Pat McAfee:Who's that now? Who's the voice now of this World Cup? It better be Ian Daka. You tell me, Gumps. Is it Ian or not?

1:59:07Darius Butler:Yeah, he'll be out there.

1:59:08Pat McAfee:Will we be able to hear them? Because I know we get forced to maybe listen to the non-exciting ones. Because I always have to hear every other country's version of our goal. I only watch soccer on Telemundo. Boom. Spanish is one. Same on FIFA. Change the language. Spanish is the first thing I do. But I think the French even hit a big golasso type situation. I think they go crazy. I wouldn't know.

1:59:30Darius Butler:Ian Dock is returning for the World Cup for 2026.

1:59:33Pat McAfee:What was old buddy's name that used to be for the WWE? His name's Kevin. He's an Irish lad. He went over to Apple. I think he calls soccer.

1:59:39Darius Butler:Van Dam?

1:59:41Pat McAfee:No, not Rob Van Dam. I don't think Rob Van Dam. Not the fisherman. Not KVD. Oh, Kevin Van Dam. Sorry, not him either. Not RVD either. Is that his name? Yeah. That wasn't his WWE name, though. He had a different WWE name. He is a – I think he loves soccer. I think he's very, very good at this.

1:59:56Darius Butler:He does all the pregame stuff for MLS on Apple, actually.

1:59:59Pat McAfee:I think I've heard him call the game as well. Yep. Good energy.

2:00:02Darius Butler:Yep.

2:00:02Pat McAfee:But once again, has accent. Sure. I think we kind of need that. You do. Can we get Joe and Troy, maybe? Maybe Herbie and Al. I think they might be even suited for a World Cup game. Let's put fucking Herbie up there. Yeah. He loves soccer. Loves it. I heard they were close to scoring. Right? Close to scoring. No, they weren't. He said, oh, I almost had it last night. It was when the U.S. team was, like, we were talking about it on the show. Right now, if he is watching, which there is a good chance, he will text me and say, enough, enough. So then we started talking about soccer for something. I think it was Team USA was playing.

2:00:38Pat McAfee:and he was texting me enough, and then USA played. And then I saw him the next day somewhere, and the first thing he said to me was not hello, not good to see. I hadn't seen him in months. He was like, they almost scored one last night, right? And I was like, what are you talking about? He was like, soccer, we almost had a happy time. And I was like, you're such a fucking asshole. But that is how a lot of Americans feel about soccer. It's like, hey, there's not enough success here. There's not enough reason to celebrate. But I want to let you know, Ponch's Dogs, this U.S. men's national team that's about to take the next World Cup, There's going to be a lot to celebrate.

2:01:09We need a cool nickname as well. A lot of these international teams just have cool nicknames for the team, and we don't. Can you give me a couple so I know what you're doing? Yeah, like what?

2:01:17Darius Butler:The Azuri for Italy. Yeah, stuff like that. What does that mean? What was Netherlands, Gump? Oh, no. Arrange? Azuri is blue. Lorange? Yeah, stuff like that. We need Ponch's dogs t-shirts. We should be the saboteurs. That was usually my name growing up on certain teams. Like the high school kids gave it to us. We're going to saboteurs. I don't mind. It's great. But it's not our language, though. Saboteurs. Yeah, if we're doing nicknames, let's be like the big dongs. Yeah, that's good, too. Why don't we have a sick, sick nickname instead of a color? Fuck that.

2:01:50Pat McAfee:Allegedly, we were dropping magnum condoms. Did you hear about this? Boom. Ponches magnums. Allegedly, in war, there was an entire group that was put together to deceive the enemy. okay like deception things whether they were the ghost i think there was a ghost army that was a bunch of production people who were building like fake and everything like that inflatable barracks and everything like that to kind of set them off guard like we were trying to chess in 4d allegedly the story goes we flew over and dropped magnum condoms all over the place to let them know like hey this is what you're fighting against yes this is standard operating procedure over here And given what we now potentially know about Hitler, that would make sense.

2:02:33Why we made quick, quick work of the Germans. Oh, yeah. He was so. Yeah, he had a micro penis. So we're dropping magnums. Lemon shaped. Don't forget lemon shaped. He walked out there, saw it. Nine!

2:02:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, exactly. So mad. Went right to his bunker and took the poison pill. See, that's what I'm saying. That's what we got over here. You know, we got the next level thinking. Poison pill. Ponch's poison pills. Ponch's big penis.

2:02:58Darius Butler:yeah they have been called the american dream in the past see i like i like that i get on that because what's the best we've ever done in the world cup what's the best like second elimination quarter finals uh when tim howard's second elimination

2:03:14Pat McAfee:on i think it's not bad that's quarter finals dude top eight in the world american dream we should be the american nightmare and have cody rhodes play goalie

2:03:32We could just do Ponchatino for the lyrics.

2:03:36Pat McAfee:Ponchatino. Ponchatino. Poncha, poncha, ponchatino. Poncha, poncha, poncha, poncha, ponchatino. Oh! Yeah, because you can hit the O at the end. Yeah. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Cody Rhodes playing goalie in a full suit. Yeah. and then halfway through the game, change the suits. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Big striker. Let's put him at center back. A Cody cutter when someone's going up for a header? Bruce. Bruce. Bruce. I don't like the fucking angles that Bruce is taking with these things. This was the best we've done in the World Cup. We tied England. We can't. It was a big tie. He's a pro.

2:04:22He's a pro. This guy's a pro. Why does it say win? Because you might say wins one-one.

2:04:28Pat McAfee:This is Bruce making fun of soccer. We advanced out of the group stage, I believe, with this tie against England. It was a fucking monumental moment in U.S. men's soccer.

2:04:36Darius Butler:That is not even close to the best moment.

2:04:38Pat McAfee:Listen, just know soccer's going to be big in America because our American team's going to be really good. And we've gotten a chance to now meet them through the Concafa pod. Everyone we talk to, we like them. And as somebody that grew up in the soccer world, boy, it's easy to spot whether or not somebody's one of the soccer players that you hate or if it's a soccer player that you like. feels like everybody that we have on our team right now are people that we would like like america would like this luna dude yeah right yeah i mean yes exactly and they all feel like i think they all have chips on their shoulder which is like yeah yeah let's try to just go start not like just take out the other team's best player the first couple games somehow not nothing dirty just like a good clean what do you want to do you want to punch them in the dong is that what you want no no right just you can shoulder them right or hip check whatever you do when you're playing soccer i heard you ask uh will compton that question and we had been having similar debate over here i don't know if you had gotten any texts from anybody about the responses uh embrace debate spit and face punching balls uh you asked will what he would rather receive what do you think is uh considered worse spit and face i think is the natural answer that that is the most disrespectful thing is that how you view it as well aj yeah absolutely spit and face as much Yeah, D-Bot said it earlier.

2:05:51It's definitely multiple steps worse than getting punched in the balls.

2:05:55Pat McAfee:What do you think about the punch in the balls deliberately happening there last night? Yeah, I don't know. I wonder what his thinking. He was down there. He was getting blocked in the back. All of a sudden, he's got the little cast on. I see he throws a good clean shot. I mean, sometimes you get caught up in the moment. That's how he responded, I guess. I can't say I've done that on the field, but you're right. You mentioned it. I grew up in that era as well. You've got to protect yourself when you're around dudes. I guess I never expected that on the football field, though. Yeah, you never protect yourself out there on the field.

2:06:25Pat McAfee:Didn't think anybody would be punching you in balls. Now, at the bottom of a pile, I know what you guys used to do down there, AJ. I used to tell stories about what you guys used to do at the bottom of those piles. You too, D-butt. No, you guys. That's not real. Definitely AJ. Yeah. There was a game I was watching the other day when they said there's a pile-up, whatever, for a ball, and they said, that ball's changed hands five times by now under that pile. I was like, no, it has not. Trust me. It's like, there's no way. It doesn't happen. So I think I've told this story before. We kick off to the Dallas Cowboys at home.

2:06:54Pat McAfee:Cowboys return. Fumble happens. Scrum. I'm within five, seven yards. I'm like, fuck, I've never been a part of Apollo before. Literally, in the moment, think to myself, oh, I've never got to do this before. Dive in. Okay? Dive into the end. Get hand on ball. Okay? Get hand on ball, but also another hand. And then I thought to myself immediately, what the fuck am I going to do now? Like, I'm going to grab this from this guy? Yeah, right. The ball didn't budge at all. And then all of a sudden I do start getting shots to my forearm. I'm like, oh, that's my drop hand right now. Like I am in a bad spot right now.

2:07:24Pat McAfee:I immediately get out of there. And I'm like, what was I thinking I was going to do in the bottom of that? What you were saying, I think, is the truth. Normally whoever's on it is going to end up with it. But that person is going to take some. It'll change maybe once, maybe twice. Yeah, maybe once early in the scrum. It's not like, hey, they've been down there for four and a half seconds and the ball is changing hands to hands. And he's like, no, whoever kind of has it first, then you can kind of get swiped away, and then you just got to deal with people punching at you, hopefully not probing you and doing things like that.

2:07:52Pat McAfee:It's always the person that is either lost the ball or has the ball that is getting all of the action. I think they think, like, everybody in the pile is like, all right, time to grab cheeks, punch ball. I don't know if it's like that. It's the worst feeling, too. Like, especially, like, obviously, the defender, getting an interception, returning it, boom, then you fumble it. It's like, oh, my God. Like, you try to get in there, but if you're not first, second, maybe third in there you got no shot because then guys just then you just got to deal with the weight you got a couple thousand pounds on it can't breathe yeah that's that's the toughest part it starts getting real real tight in there i uh yeah i fumbled once i was down at hockey league fucking bullshit my elbow was clearly down against the raiders okay right here i hit a circle button it should have worked i was told that that would work in that particular setting professional athlete tackled me.

2:08:42Pat McAfee:That's crazy. But I was down. Hockey League didn't blow it dead. That ball comes out. Just full chaos on my ass. Just because that's where the ball is at. Unbelievably uncomfortable. I mean, I thought I was going to break my hips and my spine at the time. And I think I got a punch to the hamstring, I think at one point. And it's like, this is out of control. And I'm looking up motherfucking Hockey League the whole time. Like, I was down. This thing is dead. What are we talking about? It was fourth down. Obviously, it didn't matter. I gained zero yards. But Yeah, I don't know if we can just openly have punching in the dick happening.

2:09:14Pat McAfee:No. No. I don't think we can have that. I don't think we can have that. No. Not if the guy has a ball in the ball in his Super Bowl. Yeah. Get that ball. That's what you got to do. It'll look different. And if a guy's about to take a photo next to you and he's just standing there like this. Back in our day, what we used to do. That's a tough time, honestly. Just a little one of those. Especially, I'm the youngest of three, too. I'm with my older brother's friends. Like, good luck. Like, I had no chance ever. Literally, there was an entire generation of people that felt obligated to walk around like this.

2:09:44Pat McAfee:Like, are you timid? No. Actually, complete opposite. Just would like not to get punched in the balls by these guys. This guy right here punched me in the back. So just walking in the hallways, just passing by? We never did that. But I have heard that there was just random acts of ball tapping. I've only been associated in my area. I'm not going to speak for everybody. Just the sly. That's the only thing I've been part of. Now, I've been told that one of our high school friends walked in the other day to somebody's house. He hadn't seen him in a few months. Walked in, faked a hug, ball tap, then hug.

2:10:23Pat McAfee:So that's kind of a move. That was me.

2:10:26Darius Butler:That was me and Joe Hadley ball tapped me. That was us. That was us. What's his business, Tony? It would be a good time to get him back. He's always been a bully. Him and Nick, that's how they were raised. They would stuff kids in lockers and slap books out of their hands and ball tap kids in the hallways. That's just who they are. Now, I will say Hadley is a bit handsy.

2:10:45Pat McAfee:I've watched Hadley walk into a room. There's been a group of four people that he said hello to. Every one of them left worse than whenever he started with them. First guy, full dap up, boom, shoulder, elbow to the chest. Good to see you. Next guy, double slap of the hand, den to the face, breaks watch and smacks in face next guy big hug picks up back crack yeah and i'm waiting at the end of the line hello good to see you there sir and just kind of move my way out so that's hadley football he's italian he's you know he likes to get handsy what do you mean by that the italians are very handsy they're very handsy i mean they've been six seven and since yeah just saying hello since the year six seven or seven yeah yeah six or seven yeah good point yeah you're right 100 right I've been learning a lot about all that.

2:11:33Nope.

2:11:34Pat McAfee:Let's get to a break. On the other side, we've got college football conversation. We've got game balls that B.A.'s got to give out. And obviously more conversation about what's okay and what's not okay in our eyes. Okay. Because obviously the cast that punched the balls last night has his side of the story too. Mm-hmm. Jamar Chase, he gave an apology to everybody. Did you hear that? Recently? Yeah, he put an apology out on his social media. He apologized to the Steelers as a whole for sure. And I guess Jalen Ramsey does fall in there, but he did not say Jalen's name. Put a lot of words together, which we're very thankful for, to my team, fans, Bengals organization, Steelers organization, and the NFL community.

2:12:17Pat McAfee:That's a great first sentence. Yeah, it is. I could see Jamar Chase sitting at his computer going to my family. to my squad to my team fans fuck the Bengals organization and the NFL community oh fuck the Steelers organization and the NFL community did I miss anybody nope that's fucking everybody nail it please know i'm speaking from my heart how do we really let them know that this is real and that this message isn't coming from somebody that's not me that is just associated with me maybe hired to do this type of thing well this one's calling from my heart yeah for sure right here take full responsibility for my actions during last sunday's game all All right.

2:13:19Pat McAfee:That's all we need to hear. Yep. Takes full responsibility and apologizes to everybody but Jalen Ramsey specifically. We move on. Let's stop the spit. What if that's what he actually had first and then somebody looked at it? No, no, no, no, no. Come on. We need more. This needs to be 300 words. What was the old rules? 500 words for essays and shit? Yeah, probably 500. What years were that in school? Does that still happen to you guys? Oh, it happened to us, yeah. we we had to do in honestly kind of turned into pages and they cracked down on all the gimmicks like the big periods the double spaces after the other sentences they cracked down on this the double space after a period is not a gimmick that's how the english language i'm talking double spacing as in if i'm right physically writing the sheet you know skipping a whole line oh yeah well that's because you're an artist and also your words hold a little bit more value so obviously one line's not enough and 12 font is i think what they decided on was being good i didn't like that at all because you could always sneak 13 or 14 in there oh yeah 12 and a half especially with those plum teachers because they're so hungover while reading that thing at that time not all of them i don't want to fucking cast judgment upon every one of them but you get what i'm saying and they know what i'm saying too nowadays they get catch against chat gpt would be tough not to copy paste and send that thing oh no they got a lot of ai detection yeah they're very good at that now yeah use it as an outline you can do that pretty simple chat gpt outline then you write your own through there yeah yeah are these kids learning anything Probably not.

2:14:47The ones who want to are. But do they know more? Yeah, I mean, they have more at their disposal, for sure. But do you know less if you don't know what's a fact? Are we more informed or more gullible?

2:15:02Pat McAfee:Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice might change your life. That's deep. We're back on the other side with more deep, deep, deep, deep sports talk.

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2:16:15Pat McAfee:Hit it! I think you would have got me. That's A.J. Hawk. That's Coach B.A. The Toxic Table is here at Boss of Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. What's that? On hiatus? Podcast on your chest right there? Yes. Yes, on hiatus. And we're waiting for season two? Yep, Mr. Kim. I hear you, man. We just had a convo with Mr. Kim as well. He's got a lot going on. Oh, yeah? I'm 6 '7". Mr. Kim is? I'm sick of Mr. Kim. He needs to figure this out now. For which one? The Man to Man podcast? Both. Mainly the pod. Respectfully. Yeah, we legitimately just had a conversation with him two days ago.

2:16:57Wait, wait. There's an update? Yeah, yeah. Sunday night, because, again, we were planning on this week, you know, Thanksgiving treat, here we go, pod episode, one of our favorites. Because there's been a lot that's been happening. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Consistently, Thanksgiving is one of our favorite ones, and this was kind of our idea to launch it on Blackout Wednesday. And Mr. Kim on Sunday said, hey, boys.

2:17:18Pat McAfee:Who is Mr. Kim? I don't know. He's the best of the best, man. He's the one that stirs the drink, as they say. I didn't even know man-to-man was going to fall into the Mr. Kim. Of course, it's Mr. Kim guys everywhere. And now I'm hearing my Thanksgiving pot episodes nowhere to be found, even though it was maybe going to come. And I didn't know it was potentially going to come until just moments ago. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Connor and I were absolutely floored taking it back when he said, yeah, I pulled all financial backing. Mr. Kim had? Yeah. I mean, we fired up the group text. I thought he's the one that paid for season two.

2:17:48That's why he got it. That's what we thought. He greenlit it initially. Yeah. He was just like, you know what? Fuck. Actually, I'm going to have to pull all financial back. I don't know if something's going on in a different sector that he's kind of

2:17:59Pat McAfee:Hold on, Foxy, because we allowed Mr. Kim to purchase the pod, right? Is that not if you recall? Exactly. I trusted Mr. Kim. Definitely. No, Foxy is a member of a podiac like I am. And so he has had to watch the entire thing kind of take place. And me and him have been bummed out through it all. But for the good of the pod, we let this happen. Remember, you guys were pumped for Mr. Kim. You remember this? Yeah, and I mean, it's very similar actually kind of to the chair company. Tim Robinson's new show, the leading director on the mall just kind of came back and he said, I want to scrap this whole thing.

2:18:29I want to completely redo everything we were planning. So unfortunately, I think there is going to be a little bit of a redesign. Mr. Kim did mention he really wants to hear more from Mitt McMahon and D-Bone. So I don't know if that means a new cast for the pod. I truly don't know. This doesn't sound smart.

2:18:46Pat McAfee:You guys need to claim a little ownership over your shit. I guess I taught you absolutely nothing. We got somebody that we have never even met before bullying you boys. And you know what? In turn, bullying the potty acts, which me and Foxy don't appreciate. But see, we trust your judgment. So you gave him 100%. No, you guys did this. You pitched this. We didn't give him anything. You gave him 100 % of the pod. No, Foxy, that's not how this went. Please remember. And did Mr. Kim say where all of his money went? Because we knew we had a lot of money when we trusted him with the pod. Yeah, exactly.

2:19:14You guys trusted him with the pod, just like we did. I ain't pocket-watching Mr. Kim. What he does with his investments and his financial situation. He's very good with calculations. That is none of my concern.

2:19:25Pat McAfee:It sounds like you guys are getting catfished, potentially. We could be. It was a phone call. It wasn't a FaceTime. I didn't actually see his face. You guys need to set a picture, fork, apple. You need a set scene with today's newspaper. We need a photo. You guys are getting catfished. Well, we know that even those things can kind of be wiggled around. I don't even want to go into, yeah. Which would have been a great topic on the pod. What the fuck, a country, running it, you don't know. We had a whole year mapped out, so we got to go all the way back. You guys got non-compete? Can you go somewhere else?

2:19:54Can you do it somewhere else? We ain't leaving Mr. Kim, man. What? He's the best in the business. You've never met him. Why would we leave something that we know is? Once you're logged in with Kim, you do not leave.

2:20:03Pat McAfee:Oh, Gumpy, we don't need to hear Canada getting involved in this conversation. That's right, though. Let's move along. College Football Playoff Committee will release its newest college football playoff projections off of their rankings, nobody else's. It's one of the most important things that happened through week-to-week basis in college football. This group is going to set the 12-team playoff that is going to start at 12 and count down to one. Ladies and gentlemen, let's head to Hammer. Dad! Dad! AP Tone, obviously you're a college football author multiple times now at this case. What do you think the college football playoff committee is going to roll out this evening?

2:20:38Pat McAfee:And how do you think Hunter is going to do as the chair in the interview post with Reese Davis?

2:20:44Darius Butler:Yeah, this week was a difficult week to predict. Oh, no, it wasn't. Actually, that's the same exact bracket that the committee did last week. And every single team won. So they have an easy bracket. If they want to, Hunter just come out tonight and say, hey, Reese, everybody won, nothing changed. The one thing that could change was obviously Oregon had the biggest win this week of these teams. They beat USC at home versus a ranked team. So Oregon maybe could maybe go to six. I don't see them maybe go to five. I don't see it, though. We've talked about this since the very first week. I thought the committee didn't love Oregon because their lack of quality wins.

2:21:23Darius Butler:But they did get another quality win. So maybe they do something with Oregon. But other than that, every team that was in the playoff last week or the predicted whatever that they put out won. So I don't see much changing tonight.

2:21:36Pat McAfee:Okay, so we assume that Hunter will be able to come out and just reiterate the stats that he had from last week. Is it kind of chalk the rest of the way if this happens? I mean, I know top four are going to play against each other, we all assume. And then Texas Tech's got West Virginia.

2:21:51Darius Butler:Yep.

2:21:52Pat McAfee:Which. Don't sleep on it. That's in Morgantown. Spoiler.

2:21:56Darius Butler:Yeah, I mean, that's... What's the line? 24 and a half. Wow. Mountaineers are favored? No. It turns out. No, Pat. A lot could happen. It's the other way. Holy shit. Go ahead, sir. There's still a lot that could happen. Like, when you... Foxy, can you go back to that for me, please? Yes. All right. So, Ohio State obviously has Michigan. They haven't beat them in four straight tries. They've been the number two seed in every single time that they've lost in the four straight. So, who knows what happens. uh there uh indiana's indiana's purdue that's probably going to be a win a &m's got texas at texas uh in a rivalry game so something could definitely happy there happen there a &m needs to win to get in the sec championship for georgia has georgia tech now that have they looked great no but last year that game went to eight overtimes um texas tech does have w that we talked about um who's number six old miss has obviously the egg bowl so you know another rivalry game uh They're only six-and-a-half-point favorites on the road at Mississippi State.

2:22:56Darius Butler:Good team. Oregon's got Washington, another good team. That'll be a tough game there. Oklahoma's hosting LSU. LSU is a really, really good defense. And Oklahoma's offense is very, very iffy. So if it's a defense battle, anything can happen. Notre Dame goes to Stanford. Probably not going to be a great game there. Then Alabama's got – No, they got the axe back. I know they do have the axe back. It's a 10-30 Eastern start, so maybe a tough start for Notre Dame. And then Alabama's got the Iron Bowl, which is going to be a tough one. And Miami's got to go to Pitt. So there is a lot that can happen this week.

2:23:33Darius Butler:There's not a lot of easy wins for teams that are already in the playoff bracket as we look right now.

2:23:38Pat McAfee:Shout out to College Ball. Shout out to Rivalry Week. Shout out to Rushmore and X, given their best sports rivalries. Al Michaels, obviously, Costas, Ari, and Ben rattle off the sports rivalries throughout the history of sports and which four need to be etched in stone forever. It's a great episode of storytelling and great sports history, obviously, with Al Michaels and Bob, who have basically been on the call for all of these things. So it's a special episode. And rivalry week is a cool thing. Like, this is an awesome thing that college has and does. In all these games, not all of them, A couple of these teams will pound the other team.

2:24:14Pat McAfee:For sure. And they will dance in their face. And hopefully, they won't punch them in the balls or spit on them. That is what we're all hoping for the rest of football as we go. But there's going to be a lot of crazy outcomes here, just strictly off of emotion. That Egg Bowl, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, will be fun. Kind of follow along with. That'll be a fun one. A &M and Texas, I see some people picking Texas to beat A &M very confidently, saying, hey, Texas, this is when they get them. Arch playing his best football. Elka and the boys need to peak. Obviously, they're heading into the playoffs.

2:24:45Pat McAfee:Oregon-Washington, after watching that Oregon team and meeting that Oregon team, I feel like they're dogs this year. You know, the Indiana loss is obviously something that's going to happen. Indiana was a very mature team at the time. They were ahead of schedule. I think they were playing great ball. I think Oregon's doing the same. Is this the year for Ohio State? Oh, buddy, 2 ,187 days. That's an interesting stat that we just got shown here from Bruce Brown. A long time. Wow. There will be one more tomorrow. What's that? There will be one more tomorrow, right? You can add one to it. That's right.

2:25:15Pat McAfee:Tomorrow will be 2 ,180. I don't know. I don't know what the original number was. Eight. And then the next one will be 2 ,180. Nine, I believe, right? Yep. And then the next one will be 2 ,100 and? 90. That's a crazy one when you go from 89 to 90. And that's the one that can really trick you, you know? There it is. Thanks, Bruce. There you go, Bruce. Why is Bruce a Michigan fan? Family thing, I believe. My grandpa worked for 45 years in a Ford factory in Detroit, Michigan. My dad grew up in Dearborn, Michigan. Okay. Does that answer it for you? Why don't you fucking ask another student question?

2:25:57It's a family thing, I guess. When they win, Bruce is always talking about Michigan. When they're losing, I never hear him say anything.

2:26:02Pat McAfee:Whoa! You're saying he's a frontrunner with Michigan Wolverines? Is that what you're saying? No, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't. It pops up at moments every once in a while when something happens with Michigan. Did you know him 2 ,188 days ago? I did not. I don't think so. Did I? I don't know. So things have been very good since you've met Bruce Brown and since you've known Bruce Brown. Maybe that's why. Bruce, I like that you're a Michigan Wolverines fan. And I like that Michigan Wolverines take credit for the Ohio State Buckeyes National Championship last year. I like that they think that the Ohio State Buckeyes just cannot beat Michigan ever again.

2:26:38Pat McAfee:and I appreciate the fact that Ryan Day has had to deal with that. As a national champion, his team's number one in the country, and he still has to answer questions about, yeah, what are we doing about Michigan this year? What are we doing about Michigan this year? It's special, man. That's a special thing to have, A.J. It sucks if you're in Ohio State in this situation. You haven't beaten it. No, Ohio State, over the course of the rivalry, Ohio State feels very, very good about where they're at. No question about that. Especially even these last four years, we understand what's happened. Michigan's done a great job.

2:27:06They're a great foe, great rival, but that's what it is. That's what makes college football awesome, like these games, and there's a bunch of them this week.

2:27:13Pat McAfee:National championship, big deal, right, for the Ohio State Buckeyes? Huge. They lose to Michigan again. You think that propels them into another national championship run? Would that be A-OK with people in Ohio? No, I don't think that would be A-OK. You better go run the table again if you don't figure this one out, but either way, it'll make everybody a lot happier, obviously, if Ohio State gets a win here. Two-score favorite. That's a lot of points. Yeah, that's a lot of points. For a division game. Yeah.

2:27:43Darius Butler:What was it last year? Like 20, 21? Yeah, it was a bunch last year. I mean, we saw – I don't know if you watched the game last year. Will Howard, I mean, he was comatose on the field for 20 minutes, and then he got up and sprinted up down the sideline and played the rest of the game. Like, he got smoked and came back. I give him a lot of credit, actually.

2:27:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, he's a dog. What happened to the unk? There's no unk over there? Nah, he was playing in 1997 for most of that game. Oh, Will? Yeah.

2:28:06Darius Butler:He might start this week. We know what the hunk over there is doing. What's that? A lot of Steelers fans want him to start this week. I'm okay with it.

2:28:14Pat McAfee:You guys, Aaron Rodgers is your fucking quarterback. What do we – What's it matter?

2:28:19Darius Butler:Also, I want to – I thought you loved Mason. Time for the lead. Also, I need to say this because I'll get attacked because people think that I'm putting Miami in the playoffs. If SMU and Virginia both win, they're in the ACC championship and most likely going to represent the ACC.

2:28:33Pat McAfee:And you are trying to predict what the committee is going to do. This is not your actual thing. We need to make that a little bit more clear, I think. This is Tone trying to predict what the committee is going to do tonight off of the results that happened this past weekend, correct? Yes. See, I got a problem with that one. When you beat Notre Dame head-to-head, you got the same record? Head-to-head wins. Okay, so that is the conversation about last week's one, is what do they care about head-to-head wins? When did the head-to-head win happen? What about your other losses that you've had, not just that particular game.

2:29:04Pat McAfee:I mean, there is so many different outs, which is why they'll never get the right answer. It's crazy. I don't mean... What the fuck do you play? What's bigger than head-to-head? Why do you fucking play the game? It's why we play the game. Who's better? The guy that fucking won. Okay. Yep. Since when? The beginning of time. The beginning of time. Since they started keeping the score. Of anything. The better one is the one that wins. Now, granted, they can say, but in a playoff situation, in a neutral site with this particular action, with where this team is now versus where they were when that game happened, which has been happening since the beginning of college football kind of rankings, I think, which is a part of the problem, obviously.

2:29:44Totally.

2:29:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, Virginia Tech's about to be back in all of this, though. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat, baby. But we got to get the Nears back on the schedule. The West Virginia Mountaineers? Yes, indeed. I don't think you want that, brother. Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, you don't want that, brother. You don't want that, brother. Now, on that note, James Franklin, going to turn you guys around, you think? Oh, quick, quick. I mean, we had more four-stars on campus this past weekend than we probably had in 10 years. And then you guys lost, right? And we lost, but five of them committed. Oh, because they saw the vision.

2:30:14Pat McAfee:They see. They see what is possible. They saw Sandman and everything else that happens there. Oh, how was it? Was it a great weekend? It was a good one, yeah. Who said, Theo Vaughn said, I was at Virginia Tech, that was the most coordinated fan group. I couldn't even imagine coming in there and just seeing, like, your gladiator-type buildings have. Yeah, with the Corps of Cadets and the marching band, it's a very unique situation. And James Franklin is a dog. Oh, he's on that state. He's on Mid-Atlantic recruiting now for the last 10 years. See, I've never – nope, not going to say. You've got to think that conference is pretty gettable, too, when Virginia's the big, bad wolf.

2:30:50Yeah. If you're a kid coming in.

2:30:53Pat McAfee:Virginia's not the big, bad wolf. No. Right now they are. Mario Cristobal's there. Yeah, but there's a chance it's going to be Virginia and SMU in the ACC. Brett Lashley's a problem. He is. Dabo Sweeney, what a beast down there, that boy. Bill Belichick's in the ACC. And the story is— Manny Diaz. Duke. Where does he end up at? Who knows? The story is Virginia Tech is going to be good again. Congrats to you guys. Yes, indeed. Congrats to you guys. That's going to get you out of the Big 12, man. Get you back with us. You don't want that. I don't like the way you're kind of saying that you would like to schedule us because that's not good for you guys.

2:31:30He didn't say kind of. He seems pretty adamant.

2:31:33Pat McAfee:Yeah, but he's not saying it for the good of rivalry. He's saying it sounds like because he wants a dub. Is that what you were saying? No, no, because it was such a great – that was like the rivalry when I played. We didn't play Virginia that often. We played West Virginia. That was it. West Virginia and Florida State. So the people at WVU told me, because as soon as you said that, and I was like, yeah, I never got a chance to be a part of, except for we had Virginia Tech at home. I never got to play there. It was at the end of the scheduling. I never got to play down there. Sucks. That has to be an electric place.

2:32:00Pat McAfee:Especially because they make you stand out there while they're doing it. So, like, while they're doing all their shit, you are standing out there just kind of waiting and feeling. I think it's a real home field advantage. I think it's actually a weapon. It's special. Oh, yeah. But nothing compares to the old Mountaineer Stadium. Yeah, brother. Because it was always Mountaineer Day when we played them, and they passed out chewing tobacco, and the fucker spit all over you when you came out. No! Jeez. Keep your helmet on, boys. Shit flying out of the stands. You were walking near their splatoons.

2:32:30Pat McAfee:That was where their splatoons were. What did you say? Throwing batteries. Yeah, they used to do that. Who? Bush League. Where? Right out there. They didn't have many good times out there. We were good. Especially against you guys. A lot of night games. Like Thursday ESPN night games. Yeah, we were good against you guys. We had a lot of highlights. A lot of good moments. So, Pat White decleted four of your guys, I think. Yeah, now UConn and West Virginia kind of go opposite directions. What do you mean by that? You just talk about ACC. All year it gets ACC. We got a Heisman finalist. We got a Belitnikoff finalist.

2:33:08Who? Heisman and Belitnikoff. Which team? Back-to-back.

2:33:12Pat McAfee:You have a Heisman family member playing for UConn right now? Oh, yeah. What's the guy's – Mikey Heisman playing? Joey. Joey Heisman. He's a member of the family? Like how far removed from the Heisman family is? No, no, no. He's playing quarterback for the UConn Huskies right now. And his last name is Heisman? Why are you bringing up Heisman? I'm going to make his last name Heisman until he's in New York and he gets. So he's not a relative of the Heisman family? No, not yet. You're saying he's up for the Heisman award? Yes. What? D-Bud is saying, yes. A UConn quarterback is up for the Heisman right now?

2:33:48Darius Butler:Joey Fanano.

2:33:50Pat McAfee:what's his name Jay Fanana oh I've seen this guy on the internet

2:33:55Darius Butler:31 touchdowns 1 interception and he's probably not going to go to New York but the wide receiver is actually up he's one of the three finalists for the Blitnikoff so D-Butz is right about the wide receiver

2:34:07Pat McAfee:so I would like to let these two incredible football players Scarlett Bell like to let Scarlett Bell know that it was cute what you did at UConn Jimmy Morris doing a hell of a job, too. Oh, yeah. Him more back-to-back nine-win seasons? No. Mm-hmm. They need to come to West Virginia. Stop it. No. No. They need to come to West Virginia. Nope. Mr. Fagnano needs to come down there, back up Scottie Fox. Yeah, you don't need a QB. So, Scottie Fox can play quarterback, and Mr. Fagnano can be the backup. Mr. Bell, obviously. We got an offensive line that's brewing. We love to throw you to Rock. Are you guys going to be able to keep these guys?

2:34:47Pat McAfee:I hope so. No. So, you know, the state of college football is tough. Independent. Ohio State's throwing that ball to Bell next year. Oh, my God. Julian saying, hey, just back there. Who's the Blitnikoff winner guy from UConn? Yeah, he's part of Buckeyes now. And that's his 13th touchdown of the year. That'd be great. That sucks. That's where we're at. If you would like to say we're in the same boat, that is where you would convince us. That if we were to create a Blitnikoff at either of our schools, which it sounds like you might have done. See ya. That's the first thing I was smoking. And I don't like that.

2:35:22Pat McAfee:I hate it. I don't like it one bit. Running back for the Buckeyes right now. He's a really good ball player. Leading tackler right now from Missouri. Really good football player. These guys cut their teeth in Morgantown. Now, the hard edge boys who have come into Morgantown, they're going to feel proud building that place back up to what it's going to be. so other schools are going to certainly give them more money and sell them hard whenever they have their success. These boys aren't budging. And that's Mountaineer difference, and that's why you don't want to schedule us. James Franklin is going to get those guys in there?

2:35:57They're staying. Price is right. The deal is real.

2:36:01Pat McAfee:He might flip Kevin Brown. Don't! Keep your fucking everything away from him. Kevin Brown's a big-time recruit. He's a bad boy. He's a bad boy. You need to stop. This guy is a part of the Virginia Tech entire thing. I'm not. This guy's actually part. This is tampering. We already signed this. Nope. No signing. Nothing is on paper yet. Not allowed. Soft verbal commitment. This guy told us. It was not soft. This goes way back to the 70s. I first started college coaching. I'm recruiting in D.C. And the guy, he signed with Kansas State. Coach says, I don't mean shit. D.C. Price is right to deal his drill.

2:36:41No. Kevin Brown is a Mountaineer.

2:36:43Pat McAfee:Welcome to recruiting back in the day, baby. Well, nowadays it's even worse. It's legal now. Yeah, not worse, but better, I guess, for the player. But certainly a little scary. Kevin Brown's going to flip around the Mountaineers. He's got a hard edge through a three. He's not going to. You see his dad. Yeah, Kevin Brown's papa and grandpapa aren't letting him not don the West Virginia Mountaineers. That's what I'm talking about. See that? It was grandma's idea. It was a great idea. It's awesome. And I like how comfortable they were with it all, just spraying gas on the car. Do you see that? It's pretty good.

2:37:17Pat McAfee:Country fucks, you've seen, they've done it before. Get that gas. There was one little kid kind of doing it, and then dad was like, you know what, give me this thing. That fucking thing. Shut up, give me that thing. Dallas, just huge fire. The fires that they have built, just from watching that, the amount of trees that have come down, everything else, they have built, I would assume, epic fires out there from the looks of the comfort level. You can see him for miles, I bet. Oh, yes. People gather around. I assume there's music playing, having a good time. Bluesing around that. Someone's playing the guitar.

2:37:50And he's a Mountaineer. It might have been a little bit of alcohol. Not him, but... Tim! Tim Brown? Pops up. Straight edge. Yeah, Tim. He's locked in. Did you see that, Edge? Oh, yeah. I like your kick slide. It's good.

2:38:07Pat McAfee:Thank you. It's only getting better, too, if Kevin Brown said he's going to be a Mountaineer. I don't watch his film. Did you see me putting that foot in the ground? Your quads aren't quite popping like these were, though. Pretty good, though. He's got great quads. You need to stop complimenting him. Let's move along. Let's get to you complimenting. There it is. Just thumping the gap. You know what to do with it. Doss that thing. Doss that thing. How about him say, we've got some connection issues. We've got some connection problems. We're going to get through that. Here we are. Yep, we're bringing couch burning back to Morgantown.

2:38:35Pat McAfee:It's like, all right, I don't think you should actually do that, but we understand what you're saying. The metaphor is good times and success like it was back in the day. We love that. College football is crazy. The College Football Playoff Committee will do their thing tonight. We will certainly judge them on how they see the top 12 teams. Now, let's get to some complimenting of some NFL guys from BA. Ladies and gentlemen, as we wrap up this glorious Tuesday, it's time to celebrate a couple players who had epic weekends for their teams. It's time for BA's Game Balls. Let's start in the NFC, Bruce Arian.

2:39:08Oh, maybe the second best back in ball, if not the best. Jameer Gibbs, man, what a day against the Giants. I mean, 219 yards, 45 receiving, three touchdowns. I mean, just blew it open and got another about 70-yard run right off the gut. I mean, he got more long runs up the middle than anybody I've ever seen.

2:39:29Pat McAfee:Okay, so let's talk about that a little bit. What is that? Because there's people that are a little bit worried about the interior of the offensive line for the Detroit Lions, but it does feel as if Jameer Gibbs is able to break free through the middle whenever we're watching the highlights. Is there a thought on their better run blockers than they are pass protectors as an offensive line, or what is kind of your take on that? Yeah, I believe that's the situation right now. Their pass protection was very, very leaky against the Eagles, especially up the middle, and it is against everybody. I think one thing Detroit's problem is they have a lot of seven-step drops.

2:39:58They don't do a lot of quick passing game. Everything's up the field, up the field, up, and they couldn't protect against the Eagles, but they run block as good as anybody in the league.

2:40:05Pat McAfee:Jameer Gibbs pined in the ground so fast. I think he said 22 miles an hour he got up to on the overtime run. Outrageous speed for Sonic. Yeah, I think I saw in NextGen stats, like the top five fastest ball carriers. He's four of the five, and Jonathan Taylor was up there at top number one, but he is so explosive. Like when he hits the guy, I've never seen a guy outrun angles like he does. Like safeties, there'll be eight, ten yards ahead of him, and he just outruns it. And he's like looking at it. That should not be a touchdown, D, but that should not have been a touchdown. At all. It's unbelievable.

2:40:36The fact that he's able to score on that run is just crazy. I like the Moxie, too, to walk it in. Like this right here, like, if you pause and you look at the safety, it's like, okay, it's an NFL safety. Like, you're going to at least get to a point where you can push him out. He looked like a punter kicker. He's just staring at him like, yeah. It's crazy. Like, how he outruns angles, you mentioned it, up the middle, bouncing out. And he's becoming a threat in the pass game as well, more than last year. So, yeah, it's going to be tough to get Monty Knuckles more carries with zero doing what he's doing.

2:41:04Pat McAfee:That's a real thing. They got a stable in the backfield, you know, Sonic and Knuckles. And then you get one guy who's just doing, like, historic shit. How do you handle it? You play the one that's got the hot hand. And the other guy accepts his role. Yeah, but you got to talk to him about that. Oh, you got to talk to him, yeah. I bet you feed him, you know. Hey, I'll put you in a goal line. You score studs out. Get you a stat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you. Hey, we'll get you a tud. We're sorry. This guy's running all over the place. We'll get you a couple of tuddies and go. Yeah, which I think obviously keeps everybody happy.

2:41:30Pat McAfee:If you're winning, everybody's happy. So that's the NFC game ball. Jameer Gibbs, who I think everybody's impressed with. 256 yards total, or whatever the case is. Three touchdowns, wins the game for him. Now let's go to the AFC. Who's got the game ball? The Houston SAC Station. Oh, not the Houston Space Station. Houston, we do not have a problem at getting to the quarterback in Daniil Hunter and Will Anderson Jr. They're special, and they built their team around them. They got lift off, baby. They got lift off. Oh, yeah. These two cats are coming off the edge. This Houston And defense is legit.

2:42:04I mean, big time. D 'Amico's got him really playing.

2:42:05Pat McAfee:Remember, they trade up to get Will Anderson. They bring in Daniil Hunter and pay him. The old Colts teams used to have Dwight Franey in the Hall of Fame. Robert Mathis, semifinalist for the Hall of Fame. I obviously would like to see him get in there because of what he's done. The most strip sacks in the history of the NFL in an absolute beast. Came through as a special teamer. Small HBCU. I mean, just his story is awesome. If he was getting the Hall of Fame, I think his stats would lead to it. But also, I think the story is awesome for football. but we used to get a lead and then these two guys would just take over the game.

2:42:33Pat McAfee:Feels like Houston's doing something similar. Yeah, I think that's right now their offense, they're actually playing a little bit better with Mills playing and they get the lead, it's over. Why is this something that is unstoppable whenever you have two guys? It's because you can't chip, you can't slide, you can't protect. Well, if you're going to keep your back and your tight end in, who the hell's getting open? Bup nug, all blocked up, nowhere to go.

2:42:59makes sense

2:43:02Pat McAfee:alright on that note we appreciate the hell out of you B.A. Happy Thanksgiving B.A. B.A. favorite side favorite side for Thanksgiving green bean casserole that's a little old school I haven't heard that it's old Pennsylvania baby oh yeah my mom actually I don't want to say my mom's a great lady. Doesn't do a lot of cooking. Green bean casserole that was always to play I believe whenever it had to show up. Are you a mashed potato guy? More stuffing. Yeah. Mashed potatoes I have all the time but stuffing is perfect. Oh special. I mean Yeah he's got the right thoughts. Turkey or ham? Turkey or ham?

2:43:44Pat McAfee:Both? Both. Yeah why not? Oh yeah. Apple pie? Pumpkin pie? Lemon. Ooh lemon meringue. No meringue. Okay. No meringue. Okay. Just lemon. Have I ever had just a lemon pie? I think I've only been presented with a lemon meringue. You could buy a couple lemons, just take a bite out of them like an apple if you want after the show. That was an interesting thought. Do you remember when people used to... I'm not getting into it. Steve-O and Jackass. Put the lemon juice in their eyes. They would just eat it too. That was something you would do. I thought the meringue was the tasty part. Nah, just a lemon, man.

2:44:17Pat McAfee:You've got to have a little bitter taste and jump in there. What time are we starting to eating? We were always about at 2 o 'clock. Go play football Come in, eat, go play basketball Happy Thanksgiving Before we get out of here We gotta celebrate something special Ladies and gentlemen, a man who is Really made a name for himself Around this Thunderdome A man who's Slowly starting to kind of Roll into the country music business He actually released his first Award show, awards list Just a week ago, called the DBA A lot of people are saying, is that the Douchebag Awards? No, it's not. A lot of people.

2:44:58Pat McAfee:That is the D-Bone Awards. Okay? D-Bone is a special talent. D-Bone is a national champion D3 offensive lineman. And D-Bone self-taught himself how to be a graphic designer. And D-Bone has survived another trip around the sun. Wow. It is D-Bone's birthday. Happy birthday, D-Bone. Happy birthday, D-Bone. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Can you get on camera, please? Get on camera, please. Can you see where the camera's at? Get on the camera. Please get on the camera, please. Let's go.

2:45:44Pat McAfee:Happy birthday, dude. We love you, D-Bow. We appreciate you, buddy. Great awards, dude. Great awards. I think you got them all right. They got them all wrong. Yeah. Especially if you ask DB of the DBA. I think next year he's potentially going to put it at a location and have this award show actually take place. Okay. And he might actually get a couple of these attendees. Okay. Maybe. We've already set the seed a little bit for maybe next year the DBAs have a couple of these award winners in attendance. I love that. And I do believe if you're looking to win an award next year and you say you'd come to the DBAs, I think you'd win an award.

2:46:19Pat McAfee:So just something to think about. Any of you aspiring young artists out there looking to win an award that nobody really knows about yet, it's on the come up. Talking to you, Mr. Worthington. Geez. Oh, yeah. Love you, Jake. Yeah. All right. Let's get out of here. Happy birthday, Bone. For Bone, maybe me and Foxy give him a birthday gift of a couple wins in U-Ball. No chance, especially after them coming to the back room when we have a basketball court out there covered with cameras and they were standing in a spot that didn't have a camera. That was insane. That's your department, bro. Happy birthday, Bone.

2:46:56Pat McAfee:That's your department. That's your department. My God. It's kind of hard to avoid all the cameras there, actually. It's hard to avoid them, really. Legit.

2:47:08Pat McAfee:I mean, look at all that space. He's in the one spot, kind of, that you can – they're in the bathroom, basically. There's seven cameras that cover this court right now. Okay? You're just seeing one that we obviously cut to. There's seven of them. Use this. Boom. There's security cameras. There is live. There's one up on the top. There's one over here. There's one over here. There's fucking one up over there. And on this stage, obviously, there's like 20 different cameras that we can kind of turn and shape in every different direction. Back there, we got four cameras, I think. How many cameras do we have in the back there?

2:47:38Pat McAfee:PTZ. No, just the one, I guess. Just the one we used to have, too. And now just the one back there. See, that's the problem. D-Ben was trying to point out something. He wasn't here when that one was here. No, of course, but D-Bone's just saying, you know, we need to find a camera to find me. Got a couple blind spots out here. He did say there is a couple blind spots. Happy birthday, D-Bone. Thanks for making us better. Happy birthday, D-Bone. All blocked up, nowhere to go? No, I said, baby. Bup-nug. Bup-nug. Bup-nug. Let's hope Tom Brady doesn't try to say that on TV. Tom, why don't you come on out here, bud?

2:48:13Jeez, that can't be.

2:48:15Pat McAfee:That stuff stuff Just the immediate Oh my god I don't want to listen back to it You should I don't want to Did I? It's close I think Burkhart gave him a

2:48:35No blandino, dude

2:48:37Pat McAfee:Be a friend, tell a friend Something nice, it might change your life Shout out to you, BA Shout out to you too, D-Button Happy Thanksgiving, man What's the sides? Oh, you can just play that song. I got a bing, bing, bing. I like them all, but I'll probably have to go yams if I had to with sweet potatoes. Yeah, yams are delightful. I, too, am a sweet potato man myself and obviously stuffing. Stuffing, yeah. Just partying. Guy who's eating lemon pie like stuffing, that's a good sign for you. I don't love that. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together.

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