PMS 2.0 1464 - TNF Preview, Dan Orlovsky, Texas Tech NIL Stalwart/Oilman Cody Campbell, Coach Mike McCarthy, & AJ Hawk

19:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think the thing about Dak, playing the best ball he's ever played, and is it because he has another number one wide receiver? Like, is that kind of an expectation of Dak at this point? Like, we don't really talk about Dak as greatest quarterback in the NFL ever. Okay, I don't think that ever happens. Yeah, he's played at a high level for a couple years, but this is certainly as good as it's ever been. The best way I describe Dallas' offense is, imagine the Bengals' offense having a good offensive line and run game. Because with those two receivers and the way that Dak's playing, And pass game-wise, it is very similar to Cincinnati's where you just sit there and go, you want to throw it every play because they're so good.

20:04But then you go, well, you know, Cincinnati's offense has been just catch and throw football for years. That's not Dallas. Dallas will get under center. They'll go with some extreme play action. They'll move the launch point. They'll take their shots downfield. And then also it's a very good offensive line. And that's not what Cincinnati's has. So for everybody at home, just imagine Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins with a diverse scheme and good offensive line. That's how difficult this offense is to handle.

20:31Pat McAfee:And Dak's a dog. We're learning that once again through hard knocks. I think we forgot because we don't really see much of Dak. He does it in his media, and then it's pretty guarded down there in Dallas. I feel like I don't really know much about him, even though I know that the Cowboys are on TV all the time. And I know the conversation is like Dallas is not going to win. They're not going to be able to win. but then we watch hard knocks and it's like, Dak's a dude. Dak's a dude. Like, he is somebody that I think team would want to play for. And I like their trenches mentality or bunker mentality where they trade Mike away, who has certainly worked out five years straight, first five years, 12 sacks at least.

21:06Pat McAfee:First player to ever do that in the history of the NFL. That was a cool moment whenever he was told that information with his entire family there. But they said, you guys stink. You're not good. So they can really rally around that. It feels like they like shoddy a lot as well. I don't know how much you're watching hard knocks but it's like that building looks like a healthy place that looks like a very healthy place right now whenever it was not being talked about like that at all dano yeah i haven't seen the hard knocks yet i saw some of the viral clips like the moment between and jamis seemed like super cool just the fact that they have that relationship team off seems awesome yeah i think that one of the things that has been surprising watching this team and how Schottenheimer postgame, just handled, obviously, the slow start, the tragedy with Neyland, and the way that they've played is, how come he didn't get a chance sooner?

21:55It is one of the questions that has popped in my head. He comes from a rich family background or a football background, and he's been to a lot of different organizations, and it's surprising to me to watch how well he's handled and managed it all and still played at a high level, that he never really got this opportunity beforehand. And, you know, Jerry Jones sitting in the press conference this year saying, I'm taking a risk. You know, if anybody knows risk, it's me. And I'm taking a risk with this guy. And I think a lot of us who, you know, just, you know, been around locker rooms and different coaches are sitting there going, this guy seems to be great in this role, let alone, you know, taking advantage of it.

22:33And so I've become a huge, I don't know Brian Schottenheimer, I've become a huge fan of his. And tonight's a playoff game. Like, and that's crazy. That's crazy. six, seven weeks ago, this team was left for dead rightfully so. The fact that they're in a playoff game, and I think in many ways expected to win by a lot of people, it is a testament to the job he's done.

22:55Pat McAfee:You're so cool for doing six, seven weeks ago instead of like seven, eight weeks ago or five, six weeks ago. That was really cool. I was not intentional, I promise. Okay. Okay, Dan. We know how you do it. Just like yesterday you did that same thing. But to your point, they've had playoff games basically for the last five weeks, I would say. Every game has been like a playoff game, and they've shown up and delivered, and for a first-year head coach like that in a brand new place. And I remember, you know, when Jerry decides to move on from Coach McCarthy, who we will be talking to in the second hour today, can't wait to catch up with him.

23:26Pat McAfee:He has no ill will towards any of it. Coach McCarthy has no ill will towards the Cowboys, towards Shoddy, towards anybody or anything. It's almost like it was a perfect situation, seemingly in McCarthy's eyes. he's going to live his life a little bit and then also still be a part of ball and jerry has now got a chance to he missed the coaching cycle remember because vrabes was already there was already everybody hired before he even decided to move on we call him an idiot this guy's an idiot lost his fastball fucking missed the coaching cycle this guy has no idea what he's doing and then he hires shoddy and to your point the reaction nationally is this guy's not prepared for the job or ready for the job we see him at the combine look like the same exact guy that we had here in indianapolis i was lucky to be on a team when shoddy was on the team coaching he's super cool dude, very casual, got along with everybody, obviously loves ball, grew up in a building so you understand that he understands what it's all about.

24:15Pat McAfee:So him getting the opportunity and crushing it when everybody thought it was a stupid and bad hire, and then Jerry Jones just going, I still got it. Coach, D-end, wide receiver, linebacker, nose tackle, I mean, he's making plays all over the place and everybody's saying, I lost it. What's the most important position? Quarterback already got him. Okay. And by the way, his fourth round. Okay. Jerry. Now let's go to what's the other position? Head coach? Oh, yeah. I got him. Got another guy out here who we love, McCarthy. Hired from within, though. We knew this was the process. We had him prepared.

24:51Pat McAfee:We had him ready. Boom. What about defensive end? The most important position. Well, now we got four picks instead of just one guy. And guess what? We got now D-tackle, and we got a linebacker. I held that in my back pocket, and I got$100 billion from natural gas. I'm fucking Jerry Jones. Like, he's got to feel so good about where he's at. But if they lose tonight and the playoffs are off the table, it's all over. Jerry walks out with all those recorders around his face, and all they're asking him is, too little, too late, Jerry. Maybe you should have been paying attention earlier, yada, yada, yada, and it'll be all collapsing.

25:22And on the Lions' side of this, if they lose tonight at home again,

25:28Pat McAfee:And it's tough times up there for what the Lions were supposed to be or going to be. And I know the Philadelphia Eagles, whenever they had to do the turnover of their coordinators, there was one year and then they go and win the Super Bowl. Is that just the mindset in Detroit if you guys lose tonight or what do you think it would be? 100%. Have not lost back-to-back games in 14 games now. So if something changes tonight, then we know we got to reset. Dan, from your perspective, the Lions as a whole, because obviously last year they're clicking, they're gelling, they look great, they're on time, they're on schedule, everything is great.

26:04From your perspective, what's the number one difference this year that you've noticed at this Detroit Lions team? Yeah, one, the interior of their offensive line is not nearly as good as it used to be. The best center in football retires, that's not going to be the case. So that went from strength to weakness. And then everything builds off that. The second thing is very, very different when it comes to advantages created by scheme. You know, this was a team that would constantly create advantage in scheme, whether it was in their run game, their pass game, their play action game, their gadget game.

26:36And it has not been the consistent case this year. There's been moments when it looked like it was trending that way, but not nearly consistent. This was an organization that was built up front. It was built through the trenches years ago when Brad Holmes took over, and it just has been a slow decline from the back end of last year into this year, and specifically on the interior of their offensive line. And then, you know, Poxy, you've got a quarterback that, you know, thrives when you protect him. When he's clean and he's got a pretty decent pocket, he could throw it with anybody. But when that's not the case, he's not the same quarterback.

27:09That doesn't mean he's still not a good player, but he needs that protection. He's not Patrick. He's not Lamar. And so when that team has – or that unit has taken a step back and you don't create as many advantages in scheme, then there's going to be a step back with the offensive performance. And so I would tell you tonight, though, tonight just – like I think Dallas wins that game tonight, Foxy. But I will say this. Jeez. This feels like a game that Dan Campbell turns into a rugby match, not a track meet. I'm putting Dan Skipper on the field we're going to Jameer Gibbs becomes Christian McCaffrey like he becomes Christian McCaffrey it's 30-35 touches I don't care how they happen but he's getting 30-35 if he goes over 200 all-purpose yards I think that's the best way for Detroit to win and it's got to become like an ugly nasty physical dirty football game for Detroit to win

28:07Pat McAfee:Jameer Gibbs getting 200 yards and the Detroit Lions winning Seems like that would make sense if Jameer Gibbs, one player, was able to garner 200 yards by himself, which he has certainly done in the past, is a good sign of success. This is just like when people talk about the Colts. Like when Jonathan Taylor rushes for this, they win the games. It's like, well, when Jonathan Taylor rushes for that much, we're playing good football. It's like, it's not just that. Like, there's a lot of other stuff that kind of go into it. So hopefully MCDC can turn back, you know, the time of the offense one year, you know, whenever they were creative and Ben Johnson-ing.

28:43Pat McAfee:And now you look at the Chicago Bears, they can't even really complete a pass efficiently, and they are all over the place. And now maybe it takes a year to kind of refresh that. Or tonight they beat the Dallas Cowboys in the line and say we're all the way back. Let's talk about a couple of the other teams. I just mentioned the Colts there. We don't have to dive in all the way. We know the offense is different whenever Danny Dimes can't run. Now, I've been told he had friends at Duke who started a company who made a 3D printer protector for his leg. It wraps around it perfectly, so it pays to have smart friends, he says.

29:14Pat McAfee:And this is hopefully going to make him more healthy and hopefully more confident, I guess, in this entire process because he's going to have a massive amount of pain at all times. That definitely affects us. But we have a very tough stretch down the road. One of those games involves another team that might go on a Super Bowl run, but nobody could have expected. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Dan, I know the two teams or sorry, the team that the Lions and Cowboys are trying to replace in the playoffs right now is the 49ers. They're on the bye this weekend. Do you think they can make a run? We've kind of talked about it on here a couple of times.

29:47They've had so many injuries on defense, but Bob Sala is still drawing it up. And then to Pat's point about the Colts, they do run into each other, the Niners and the Colts, in a couple of weeks on Monday Night Football. Colts go at Jags, at Seattle, and then host the Niners. But how do you feel about this Niners team? Brock Purdy, Seeming to hit his stride again, Juwan Jennings. Basically making everybody in the NFL hate him, but he's still balling out. Kittle McCaffrey, Iyuk's never playing football again in the Niners uniform, it seems like. But do you like the Niners, Dano? Do you think they're going to stay, that seventh seed, kind of stay in the playoff hunt?

30:24Or do you see them kind of having a tough road to finish the season? Yeah, I mean, Kyle Shanahan has been to three Super Bowls. This is his best coaching job. I mean, Connor, you kind of intimated it, but just for the context, two starting different quarterbacks, they're all pro tight end, has missed significant time. They're number one, they're number two, they're number three wide receiver have missed significant time. They're number one wide receiver has not played. Their defense lost their best player, their defense lost their second best player, and their first round defensive draft pick.

30:52So this team has been decimated by injuries. I think they'll get in the playoffs. I do. I do not believe that they can go on a Super Bowl run. I would be shocked if the Super Bowl representative from the NFC is not either the Los Angeles Rams or the Seattle Seahawks. I think those two teams are clearly the best teams in the NFC right now. Green Bay probably a blink below them. What about the Bears? What about the Bears? You don't go on a Super Bowl run with that pass game right now. The pass game's improved to what it was last year, but you don't. It's the best run game or one of the best run games in football.

31:28Well, but pass game-wise, it's just not good enough to go on the Super Bowl run.

31:32Pat McAfee:Got it. I understand what you're saying. I don't have any more arguments against what you said there because these stats are alarming. And just watching the Bears games in one of the quad boxes, okay, not watching every single snap and kind of paying attention, and you're just seeing the Bears have this run that they're having, and it's like – I only see Caleb throw touchdown passes. That's the red zone effect. That is right. They need to stop with what they're doing. with what they're doing. I can't be doing that anymore. Don't ruin it. They had two minutes of commercial. Are you kidding me? Yeah, two minutes.

32:05Pat McAfee:Too much, you said. Two minutes. I'm not diving into it all. But Caleb Williams, I just have been assuming that he's been doing incredible stuff. Had the game winner where he gets the edge against the Giants, I think, a couple weeks back. And then he has all these incredible throws and everything like that. And then the stats start coming out. And then you hear Coach Ben Johnson say, like, hey, we're winning in spite of our pass game. I'm like, I don't know. I've seen some great passes. Pass game. Explosion. And then the stats start coming out, and it's like, oh, I guess on a play-to-play basis, he's just still not there yet.

32:34Pat McAfee:You know, like the timing of offense and being on time and hitting just like classic slant here. Classic stop. Like classic. Those throws still not hitting at a majority of a clip. Is that what you're saying? And what are these stats are saying? Yeah. Yeah, and it's all 11 of their offense in the pass game taking part. I would tell you it's route, discipline, ball location. There's an incompletion that he has to the right sideline against Philly, which is a deep out to DJ Moore, and I think it encapsulates their pass game because you see a throw as the end result, and you go, gosh, Caleb, that ball's two yards behind DJ Moore.

33:15And I would sit here and tell you, well, when the ball leaves Caleb's hands, DJ goes like six more yards into his route there's no way that that should be the case so is it Caleb's drops just a fraction too fast should he hold it and take another hitch does DJ go one revolution too much in his route and he therefore ends up deep and therefore because the ball is out of the quarterback's hand so quickly is a missed throw rather than a completion and so I think that they're still searching for the, the, everybody being on the same page, details of the timing of the past game receivers. You know, I grew up with Mike Martz as a coach of mine, and he was notorious for saying as a receiver, be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there, never fool the quarterback.

34:05And it looks like at times that receiving core is still searching to get that. And Caleb's trying to be on the same page as well. So he's improved. He's been clutch. He's made plays. Has created way less problems for himself than he did last year. But the past game still leaves a lot to be desired.

34:23Pat McAfee:Okay, and that's all reps, right? That's all timing, reps. That's all being on the same page and all that type of stuff. I talk about this a lot, but it was an opportunity to watch just greatness kind of operate. During the lockout, there was workouts being put together by players, you know, by themselves. and I got a chance to be a part of a couple of the offense ones led by Peyton. The amount of times that Reggie, number one wide receiver, ran same route, they ran same route, same drive. I mean, it was like 10 straight times all out, same rep, same exact thing. And then they go to the next one, then to the next one, then to the next one, then to the next one.

35:05And then he got like Dallas Clark doing like 15 hard, same exact routes.

35:10Pat McAfee:And it's like the amount of reps that went into the timing of like, they knew that it was all, we are orchestrating something here that is all being timed perfectly. So it's basically unguardable is what they are trying to do there as you kind of drop off. But it's like, that's a reps thing, right? That's all like a, that's a, a very much a need to work together type thing. Yeah. And yes, because at the end of the day, the starting point for high-level pass games is quarterback throws the ball in the nfl quarterback throws before the ball before the receivers are open and that's that whole premise of throwing guys open now these types of throws where you know quarterbacks are a little bit more on the move or whatnot guys are going to be you're not throwing with as much anticipation as you would a pocket passing game pocket pass game in the nfl you're throwing the ball before the receivers open and i I would tell you more often than not, receivers never see the quarterback.

36:09If you hear great receivers talk about catching passes, those receivers, when they come out of their cut, they're not snapping their head back looking for the quarterback. You watch good receivers, and when they come out of a break, whether it's an out route, a comeback, an in route, their eyes immediately go up to the sky, up to the air, because they're searching for the football. They're not peeking in to see, do I see the quarterback? You can't see the quarterback because the offensive linemen are huge. And so, you know, for a quarterback, I have to throw the ball to a spot more often than not and trust that you're going to get to that spot at the right time.

36:46And so that's why it just takes countless steps. And then you're that's on air. Then we're adding in a defense, a defender, moving parts, your route being bumped off a yard or a step. And so that's why you're talking about all those reps. hey, on this note note by DJ Moore, what happens if I get press? What happens if I get to the top and I get a little bit of a body tug? And so that's why, you know, those reps and the confidence that is needed by the quarterback to throw the ball, because I'm throwing it before you're ready for it. So, like, I got to believe that you're going to be there or bad things can happen.

37:27Pat McAfee:Dude, CJ, we were watching CJ this past weekend because, you know, with where we're at we get a chance to there's a couple different times during the field that we are right in the pocket basically with cj stroud he was throwing these balls he couldn't see shit i know he couldn't see shit because i'm right behind him everybody there's a hand in his face and the offensive line and he is just throwing directly to a spot and this thing just levitates to a spot and then boom nico collins is there and it's like he didn't see nico nico there's no way he saw nico saw him in this entire thing and he was throwing this i don't know maybe 75 miles an hour to a spot and it's like so confident that it was going to be a completion and then we're just walking down and we're doing it again and then we're doing it again yeah and it's like the anticipation obviously the accuracy to the spot the amount of work that goes into that but then also having the courage to let that thing fly when knowing a pick six changes an entire game it's it's a lot man it is a lot that's why whenever like cj stepped in his rookie year and had so much success i think everybody was like mind blown and when jayden stepped in and had so much success it's like in college there's time especially jayden down at lsu especially with the guys he had those dudes don't have somebody within 20 yards of them and jayden has eyes on them since before snap and during the entire thing to do that so for jayden to get into the nfl and have no idea where somebody's going to be or where they're supposed to be and spin it i think that's the most impressive part about these rookie quarterbacks so caleb is going through that right now, I think.

38:55Pat McAfee:I think he's trying to figure that out. And I don't think that's an easy thing to get comfortable with. Like, yeah, I'm going to throw it to Fulham. Who knows? Pat, one of the things that I would tell you is great throwing quarterbacks, great passing quarterbacks, and therefore great passing games. I would tell you the quarterback more so than not is throwing away from the defender than to his guy. A lot of times quarterbacks, I don't want to sit here and tell you that they don't see the receiver, but Like, against specific zone defenses, like, you're throwing, more often than not, you're throwing away from defenders to a spot that you know that receiver is going to get to in that pass concept.

39:36And that's why you'll see Stafford be so capable of throwing no-lookers, or Joe Burrow being so capable of throwing no-lookers, is because they don't really need to see the receiver. I see the defender. And if the defender, if this defender and that defender are there, I know where they're not. And I know where my guy is supposed to get to, but that takes thousands of reps. And yeah, it's going to take Caleb just time to get there. And that's when we hear people talk about the timing of a pass game. That's why it's not just, you know, the, the in shorts, you know, in the backyard or in the practice field.

40:15It's not just that timing of I'm running 12 steps on this in route and I'm going five steps on my drop back. it's okay well if this defender you know shoves me it's just there's so many different variables that can alter the timing of it but i would tell you most really high-end passing quarterbacks really don't see receivers they see defenders and throw away from them well we'll assume that

40:39Pat McAfee:we'll be able to get to that point jared goff was there will mcdc take advantage of that tonight against the dallas cowboys will the bears be able to slay the packers we shall see it's a magical time in the NFL. We appreciate you joining us, Dano, on your way to somewhere in Connecticut. Cool. Kind. Bristol. Nice. All right. Tell everybody we said hello up there. Bristol blows. That'd be the Connecticut thing for them. No. Not because of the ESPN. It's called a Bristol Blast. It's a blast. Yeah. For rats. Bristol Blast, Connecticut kind. Yeah. All the place. All right. We appreciate you. That's Dan Rolowski.

41:15Pat McAfee:Hey, Dano! You worried about Caleb Williams? Maybe picking up a little bit of some time and going down the stretch here, pal? No.

41:24Cody Campbell:They're a good football team, but what am I supposed to fucking cower up here in my boots because the Packers are playing the Bears? This is the first time the Bears have been good in 20 years? No. This is the best part. We get to find out Sunday. We get to find out Sunday.

41:38Pat McAfee:You think Halfley has any chance against Ben Johnson's super brain? Oh my god.

41:43Cody Campbell:Oh, he's got a chance.

41:44Pat McAfee:Ben Johnson's shirtless out there.

41:48Cody Campbell:I don't think it's Halfley because Ben Johnson, right after he got the job, kind of took a shot at LaFleur in his introductory press conference, and I think a lot of people were like, oh, man, these guys must be buddies. And someone was like, yeah, no, they're not. So they genuinely, I don't think they like each other. You think LaFleur's going tarps off before him? LaFleur's not a tarps off guy. If he waxes his chest, maybe. Jeff Halfley is the tarps off guy.

42:13Pat McAfee:Oh, really? For LaFleur. Exactly. He's a coach.

42:17Cody Campbell:I got this. He's going to be a great head coach one day. Who? Jeff Hathaway.

42:21Pat McAfee:I don't like what you're doing. What's that? Trying to poach everybody. You have a head coach named Mike Tomlin. He's a Hall of Famer. He's the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers who haven't had a losing season in 20 years.

42:34Cody Campbell:He's about to go on a Super Bowl run. You know what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers record was when they went on that Super Bowl run in 2020? They were 7-5. How many MVPs does Tom Brady have? Is it four? I think so. Is it four?

42:47Pat McAfee:Yeah.

42:48Cody Campbell:So does Aaron Rodgers. Okay? Let's not give up on the black and gold yet.

42:54Pat McAfee:Who messaged you and said, hey, you're being a little heavy on the anti-Steelers stuff. We still got a chance at this thing.

42:59Cody Campbell:Nobody. Just my natural being is be pissed off for a few days. You know, just what are the stages of grief? Okay, I'm into a positive outcome on the other side of stage of grief. Future.

43:10Pat McAfee:Future. Yeah, hope. Hope and optimism for the future is where you're at. Ravens, they're in the same spot the Steelers are. This is a big fans waiting to murder their team game. It hasn't been like that in a long time with the Steelers and the Ravens.

43:24Cody Campbell:I think it's weird because I think either side, whoever loses, isn't going to be super mad. They're going to be a little mad, but then they're going to be super happy that they can then attack the head coach.

43:34Pat McAfee:Win-win, truly. Yeah, for us as football fans watching along, the Steelers fans with a reaction to a loss against the Ravens this weekend will be biblical. Ravens fans with a loss to the Steelers this weekend will be biblical. I mean, you're talking great reactions from two towns that have had head coaches for a long time, long time. And the fan bases have gone, we like you, we appreciate you. We'll definitely write your chapter as a big one whenever we tell the story of the city and everything. See also, the next chapter could be the best one we've ever had. We got Lamar Jackson somehow and we still haven't really.

44:09Pat McAfee:So what do we do?

44:10Cody Campbell:I actually saw a tweet on the internet of the two guys holding the blue and red bandanas in harmony together. That's the Steelers and Ravens fans this week. We both know that we don't have a chance in the long run this year. So we're just in harmony this week. We're going to watch football games, see what happens.

44:25Pat McAfee:All right. Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate also the fact that there's people who are trying their best to do what's best for sport. Okay. And yesterday we had Nick Khan on, president of the WWE, also one of the executives leading Zufa Boxing. They were having a Congress hearing about the Muhammad Ali American Boxing, not revival, Enhancement Act or something? Boxing Revival Act. Yeah, you got it. Boxing Revival, but I think he was calling it the Enhancement Act as well. So I think it was a revival, and then they're trying to make an enhancement to it so they can modernize it a little bit.

45:07Pat McAfee:And then potentially, you know, they feel like up the entire state of the entire sport. And I believe them because they've always done good things. College sports, obviously, we understand are very much in the middle of a pretty chaotic situation behind the scenes. College sports, though, are also in the middle of a boom whenever it comes to popularity because people just appreciate great atmospheres, great environments, great passion, great competition. So there's a lot of people that have suggestions on how we can maybe fix the back end of it. And then there's some people who know ball, played ball, understand ball, and also have enough money to be able to sit in the rooms where the people that maybe didn't have as much success in ball and normally have these types of opinions and kind of give his take on it.

45:48Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who is the most successful former Indianapolis Colt in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. Texas Tech Red Raider alum. A man who got into all business after being a professional offensive lineman, then a dabble in real estate. And then now a man who is trying to at least spearhead a little bit of a different route for college athletics. Cody Campbell.

46:15Dan Orlovsky:Yay, Cody!

46:19Pat McAfee:okay hold on hold on okay so we got bulls we like bulls down there okay we like we like good long horns down texas we like to drill too listen hey one man started with a shovel then we got pretty advanced with the uh rigs that we created this one you will see all over the land and then that last one what's there is that just dust what is the last one well i didn't know we're going to

46:40Cody Campbell:talk about the old business since we are gotta put this on um cody you are texas it feels like

46:49Pat McAfee:in a nutshell and what is the last one there so you got the longhorn then you got the oil rig and

46:54Cody Campbell:then is that a tunnel no no no no no these are these back here these are these are two eagles our company's called double eagle because my business partner john sellers and i both went to canyon high school which was we were the canyon eagles and there were two of us so that's what we

47:08Pat McAfee:our company okay no a double eagle we've talked and learned a lot about especially as you just go into morgantown west virginia and pummel the mountaineers okay i've learned a lot about double eagle i'm talking about on your shirt right there though i think that's west texas oh okay i got

47:22Cody Campbell:you yeah it's way all right so we got west texas we got food fuel and fiber so we produce a huge percentage of the beef cattle and dairy cattle we have the largest oil field in the world in west texas and we have we're the largest cotton continuous cotton growing region in the world also so pretty much everything that runs america runs through west texas including football right

47:43Pat McAfee:now okay all right okay cody and also it's not just the fact that you're uh all businessman i assume you got some cattle as well and he'll i might as well grow some cotton as well in there cody campbell you west but you're also a former professional football player you know you're former collegiate athlete and not only just former professional football player offensive alignment which obviously is a position that really doesn't get a lot of shine involves a lot of dirty work and grit but also football iq so whenever you're kind of representing something i think me and a lot of other former players are like if cody's in on it we're in on it what you've been able to do with texas tech and the double eagle and everything like that spectacular but it feels like you're also trying to address like a national problem i know you went to washington to speak about that what are you pitching and what do you think is the answer kind of in the long run for college sports as a whole as you take off your hat and let's go ahead and talk a little

48:36Cody Campbell:shop here yeah let's talk business so yeah so you know i i've got interested in the topic a number of years ago as the law started to change as there were different court rulings that came down um and i helped to start the nil collective at texas tech jordan texas tech i'm now the chairman there so i got a good understanding of higher education of course as you said i'm a former player. So I became very interested in, at first, just how can I help Texas Tech take advantage of the chaos that has emerged and how can we best approach our strategy there? But then as I got into it, I saw how fundamentally broken the system was.

49:16Cody Campbell:And it was broken for reasons that I didn't first understand initially. And then, you know, had the opportunity to get involved more on the political side because the courts have made it very clear, the Supreme Court has made it very clear that Congress has to act in order to solve the problems that we have right now. There's no other way to do it, unfortunately. Hate to have to lean on the federal government for any kind of solution, but that's where we are. And so I've been spending time in Washington, you know, working with the White House, working on the Hill, you know, and trying to find a solution that will comprehensively stabilize the system and make it sustainable for the long run.

49:52Cody Campbell:That's what I'm concerned about, you know, for me and for you. You know, college football and the opportunity to play sports for any college athlete changes your life, opens up doors, provides opportunity for education. It provides our Olympic development pipeline. The impact that it has on women is massive. Ninety four percent of women who are in C-suite roles in this country have a sports background. Most people don't know that. Sixty percent of CEOs and companies across America have a college sports background. I mean, this is an incredible leadership development tool that we have in this country.

50:22Cody Campbell:And we need to make sure that it's preserved. It changes lives. Plus, you and I, you know, come from similar type places. Like how important is are the Mountaineers to Morgantown? How important are the Red Raiders to Lubbock? You know, places like that, you know, the sports teams and the college sports programs they have are the cornerstone of the social fabric in those places. And so it's worth saving. It's important to people. And I think sometimes people on the coast, you know, don't understand it. But in the South and in the Midwest, we understand how important college sports are, right? And we want to make sure that they're preserved.

50:59Cody Campbell:But right now, they're in a spot where, you know, the average budget deficit among FBS schools is$20 million per school per year. We have... You said deficit there? Deficit?

51:11Pat McAfee:Average is$20 million deficit for these schools across the country? Because I heard we're all making money, right?

51:17Cody Campbell:They're not making money at all. And the other thing people understand is that there are only two sports that make any money. football and men's basketball football makes the vast majority of it and those two sports pay for everything else and so right now we have a problem in the way that we monetize our sports so we have commercialized the cost aspect of it right so we're paying the players we're paying the coaches a bunch of money but then we have this amateur model that is you know 60 years outdated that we use to generate revenue and those two things just don't match up so people are running massive deficits.

51:50Cody Campbell:That$20 million deficit was from 2024. We don't even have the 2025 numbers. 2025 is when it kicked in when the athletic department starts paying the players. There's no telling how big the budget deficits will be for this year. They'll be unbelievable. Totally unsustainable. What you're going to see in the future is schools are going to have to make the choice of either using basically tuition dollars to pay for these deficits, taxpayer dollars, or they're just going to have to start cutting sports. The sports they're going to cut are the sports that don't make money. So that's women's sports and that's Olympic sports.

52:23Cody Campbell:So our Olympic pipeline is diminished. The opportunities for women are diminished. And then the sport of football, which you and I played and love, is going to shrink because a lot of people just can't afford to play it. And for the communities that are affected by that, it's going to be devastating. And so for me, this is something that I'm not doing for any other reason. I'm not going to make money off of it. In fact, I'm spending money to do it. I'm spending a lot of time to do it. I'm doing it because I know how important it is to the country. I know how important it is to my life, to my family, the opportunities that I receive from it.

52:57Cody Campbell:And anybody that played bull understands that exact same thing. The biggest challenge we've had is just getting the politicians to pay attention to it, honestly. Understand the issues. Understand these fiscal problems that we have. Most people think money's falling from trees. It's absolutely not. We're going broke as a system and we got to fix that.

53:18Pat McAfee:Okay. I appreciate you taking the initiative because obviously the first reaction from people, and we read up on some of the reactions. Some of the politicians were like, we should not be spending time on this. We got a lot of other bigger issues. Some people are saying that it's not there yet and whatever the case. And obviously there's TV revenue deals. I think that's spanned until like 2036. Each kind of big conference has a different TV deal that expires at the right time. I think what you're kind of preaching is there should be some sort of better business model for these colleges to exist.

53:46Pat McAfee:Is that what your pitch is basically and what you're trying to figure out? And have you experienced it at Texas Tech? Because then the next follow up is, well, this guy's just trying to help Texas Tech. It's like it feels like you're actually not trying. You're trying definitely are helping Texas Tech. But also, I think what we did here, we can maybe try to do for other places as well. So we can just keep the sports, college sports healthy as a whole. Right. That's kind of your pitch. If I had to kind of take it in.

54:09Cody Campbell:Yeah, so I guess your last question first as far as Texas Tech goes, I mean, we're doing just fine. We've been able to take advantage of all the chaos. I mean, like I said, we sit on top of the largest oil field in the world. So if everything falls apart and there are no rules at all, we benefit from it. So I'm actually working against the interest of Texas Tech and what I'm doing and trying to make it so that everyone can survive and everyone can be competitive. So, yeah, people like to paint me as being a Texas Tech guy, but that's just not true. Well, you are, though.

54:37Pat McAfee:You are, though, in Texas Tech. should be perfect.

54:40Cody Campbell:And I'm going to keep doing everything I can to help Texas Tech, regardless of what the rules are. But there have to be rules. And, yeah, I mean, folks just don't understand how very important this is and how existential the problem is. And what we're talking about is a solution that's not going to happen overnight. What I'm concerned about is we have seen 182 programs cut this year. I mean, that's a fact. All women's sports and women's sports. I mean, that's all because of these budget problems. But the problem is just going to keep getting worse and worse and worse. But what we're looking at is a solution that we're talking over 10 or 12 years.

55:12Cody Campbell:We reform the way that we market our media rights, the way that we generate revenue. You know, the NFL is a great example, but the NBA is an even better one. College football has twice as many viewers as the NBA does. But college football makes half as much money as the NBA does. And that is all just because of what's called the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 and the rights that professional sports have that college sports don't have. That's part of it. It's also because we don't have a central governing body that coordinates scheduling and makes sure that we maximize viewership and that we have games on at the right times when people want to watch them and we don't cannibalize our viewership.

55:49Cody Campbell:I mean, there are weeks, you know, on game day where there are 10 games that you guys probably should be at, right? And then there are weeks where you're like, where are we going to go this week? There's no good game. I mean, those are the types of things that we need to fix, right? and there should be no reason that you have a marquee matchup in the Big Ten competing with another marquee matchup in the Big Ten on the same on different networks at the same time and that's just that's just bad business right and so if we could just fix those problems and run the thing like a business like the NFL has done very effectively we can increase revenue massively and that's just common business sense

56:22Pat McAfee:hey Cody I'm thankful you're signing up to do this brother because everybody wants it everybody's hoping for it there's going to be a lot of adversity there's going to be a lot of people that are going to try to detract from this uh situation happening you're the right guy for the job because it's not just about food it's not just about oil it's not just about cotton it's about grit and success down there in west texas we appreciate the hell out of you brother i'm going to bring my shovel down next week i'm looking to find one

56:48Cody Campbell:we don't we don't we don't do it with shovels anymore yeah i told i mean we'll get you the right equipment but we'll let you draw over some more that's cody campbell we'll be back on the other side goodbye as you know managing maintenance repair and operations is never easy but for the ones who always rise to the challenge granger has your back from professional grade products you can count on to fast dependable delivery they're there to help you keep things running smoothly plus their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions and because granger knows safety is always a priority they're committed to being your partner in protecting both your people and your facilities.

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58:07Pat McAfee:Football! It is magical. We're lucky to talk about it every single day. Week 14 of the NFL season kicks off tonight in Detroit Rock City as they host the Hot Dallas Cowboys. Now, the Lions are three-point favorites as Dak Prescott travels to town with a litany of talent and also 78 % of the public bets. That number has not moved?

58:27Cody Campbell:Not that I have seen, no.

58:29Pat McAfee:So it's 80 % of the bets. It's going to keep going up probably as we get closer to the entirety of it.

58:33Cody Campbell:I love it. Normally it's down to 77.

58:36Pat McAfee:Okay, 77. All right, so 77, 78%. It's going to be about 80%, and they're not moving the number. They're saying, yeah, just keep going. Just keep doing it. Do what you want to do. We like the Lions favored by three. Because they're trying to get 50 % of the money on either side, allegedly is what they hope to do with the number. They're saying that they don't necessarily look at what the outcome of the game is. We just try to look at what the number should be to get 50 % of the money on one side, 50 % of the money on the other side. so then we'd mitigate our losses as opposed to our games. They want the juice.

59:04Pat McAfee:And that's what they're looking for. That is allegedly what they're looking for. So whenever something starts moving to a 78%, 80%, you would normally see sportsbooks potentially react in changing the number to try to keep people maybe going on the other side. Instead, it stays at three the other way, 80 % of the money and 80 % of the bets are on the other side, and the sportsbooks are like, we're not changing. No matter what you just saw on Thanksgiving, no matter how you feel about either of these teams, no matter what Hembo stats that they're popping up that say, hey, this Dallas Cowboys offense could cook the most it's ever cooked against this Detroit Lions defense.

59:37Pat McAfee:The sportsbooks believe the Lions still have it. Talks at the table. At Boss Conner, at Ty Schmidt. Conman, why do you think that is? Why do you think they think the Lions have it at home here? I don't know. I don't know if they do think they have it at home. It feels like they're kind of praying for a push maybe, but I also think that are you really going to put the Lions who, Foxy, what's the stat after a loss? 14 in a row. Are you really going to make that team underdogs at home? 13-1 against the spread. That's where I kind of stand. I don't know how everybody else does. MCDC 0-7 on fourth downs.

1:00:08Foxy's point earlier as well, kind of feel like that's going to go one way. I also think they might have a little inkling on the injuries. Amon Ra playing, Petty Sewell playing, Taylor Decker playing, a lot of questionable guys probably actually going to end up going. Cowboys are hot. They're rolling. That's why they're getting all those bets. I personally am riding with the Cowboys. I feel great about the Cowboys. thought they were going to run the table last week. Still feel that way this week. But again, when you feel like that, when all those numbers are on that one side, history tells us everyone's wrong and it's the Lions.

1:00:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, that is why I'm kind of bringing it up. And you made a lot of good points there for the Lions, especially if all those guys do end up playing. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tone is here. And joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke. Yeah. Hawke, good to see you. Happy Duke Eve, dude. Oh, yeah. Happy Dookie Eve. I eagerly await the announcement. I guess, what, midnight tonight, correct? That's when it comes out? Yeah, available on all platforms, including Spotify. It's going to be a real song.

1:01:03Pat McAfee:It's insane that it has happened, obviously. And there's not just one song. There's like seven or eight of them that are going to be coming out here over the next, you know, couple months. Oh, yeah. And this one is certainly the most shallow of them all. But I will say, you know, it's such an interesting part of the process. because in the open for Oregon, I just kind of freestyle that thing. And then on the long ass flight, I kind of write it up. And I'm like, wait, this kind of has a little bit of a, then you start talking to the people who actually know music. They're like, let's make it. This feels like something we should make.

1:01:34Pat McAfee:And then make the song. And then all of a sudden, yeah, let's put it out. Let's make a video. And then also let's make all the other ones. It's been a wild experience. It's been an absolutely wild experience over the last couple of months, including a lot of incredible kindness from people in Nashville, very talented people in Nashville, reaching out and helping me through this whole process. But yeah, Duke is available. My Spotify page, I think, is up there right now as a musician. It's a black and white photo of me smoking.

1:02:00Cody Campbell:It looks cool.

1:02:01Pat McAfee:It is a cool-looking photo. Good photo. Letting the music people kind of do the music thing. But yeah, this is the first of many coming out. That guy, Seth England, is awesome. He's been so cool and so nice. Co-founder of Big Lod. And you can go. Dress is real cool, too. He came through the Thunderdome. What's that? He came through the Thunderdome. Dress is real, real cool as well. Oh, yeah, he's a lot of moxie. Yeah, yeah, Seth has a lot of moxie, a lot of swagger. And he's a beast. And him and Ernest have helped me out so much. And a man named Holman, you know, out of Illinois, this guy has the greatest vibes of all time.

1:02:34Pat McAfee:So I've had a blast through the entire process, and it's outrageous that this is an actual thing. There you go. But there's real songs coming. There's real songs coming. And I think we have some. And there's going to be some features by some people that are, like, real musicians. We're trying to do it. We're really trying to do it. I've been writing this shit for so long and it's like very personal stuff. I think you can kind of hear what stage of life I was in or what I was going through through these songs and through them, through my notes section and it's been a very I don't want to say, it has been it has been an emotional journey back through my notes sections.

1:03:09Pat McAfee:It has been a storytelling. Yeah, it's been a lot of stories being told throughout different times of my life and yeah, Dookie is certainly one of them that was created very recently but But all the other stuff is I'm very excited for the world to hear it. And those two dudes have been Ernest and Jelly. That was back when Jelly still had a little bit of a belly. Oh, yeah. You know, that's whenever this all kind of got set in motion. So, AJ, happy Dookie Eve. And I appreciate the hell out of you. Great to see you. We've missed you. Yeah, it's good to be back. Sorry I had back-to-back funerals for two legends, my grandpa and then a guy named Bobby Mansfield.

1:03:43So, yeah, unbelievable. Sucks being a pallbearer like three times in the last three weeks or whatever. But, yeah, you talk about it. Perspective. you know i'm lucky to be you know i had a lot of awesome people around them unfortunately a couple

1:03:54Pat McAfee:of them have died recently okay so i didn't i'm sorry i didn't feel i hope you didn't yeah sorry i don't want to bring it down or anything no no no i'm saying i didn't i'm just yeah you didn't bring it down hawk when dean hawk yeah he was the man and it was cool to see the response from people and how many different people's lives he has touched and all that so it was uh yeah awesome to terrible situation but getting to see people that you love is awesome yeah so i just i wanted you to know that I didn't want to tell your story and I didn't want you to feel obligated to say it so whenever you just said it right there I didn't want you to think that I meant for that to happen but I would like to tell you this sucks for you and your family what you guys have been going through it's the worst part of this whole life thing and uh just know we love you brother and uh we appreciate the hell out of you now on that note ball has been something that has helped all of us through you know crazy uh terrible difficult times and tonight kicking off week 14 age we got a great game not only here but on Sunday slate we got great games all over the place like meaningful football season is very much here and there's a lot of ramifications on all of them let's start with tonight's game Cowboys Lions look at the projected percentages of making the playoffs with a win or a loss for both of these teams we got a chance we don't really for both of them tonight massive Ramys starting on this Thursday Night Football what are your thoughts with the fourth and it's like, all right, I was leaning a certain way.

1:05:16I'm not going to lie, I was leaning Cowboys coming into the show. Now, Jameer Gibbs, he obviously gives me worry. I don't know how you stop that guy. But I would say before talking to Coach Mike, I'd still lean the Cowboys a little bit. I'll let you know by the end of the hour probably where I'm going to pick. But Cowboys are hot, man. Honestly, I feel like the Cowboys have something going. It's going to be very, very loud tonight. That place is going to be on fire.

1:05:36Pat McAfee:That place is going to be on fire. Maybe we get a Jack White M &M performance. Just do it every time. I think we'd all welcome that, even though we know that would be a lot of work. crazy ask. Or anybody, really. Maybe anybody from Detroit. Posner? There's a bunch. Put Posner up there. Put Posner up there. But as we get back to this, Coach McCarthy, just like Coach Pagano used to do, when they would talk about the game, it would sway us, definitely. It would definitely sway both of us. You and I both see tonight's game the same way, from what I just heard from you. Coach McCarthy's not going to turn his back on the Cowboys tonight at all.

1:06:10Pat McAfee:He's going to only be gassing up what we think.

1:06:12Cody Campbell:Yeah, he coached for the Cowboys and the Lions are a former divisional foe. Come on. He might take the easy way. Good night for the silver and blue.

1:06:22Pat McAfee:That would be good.

1:06:24Cody Campbell:That would be good. They'd take both teams, but I think if he was to do

1:06:28Pat McAfee:that, though, I do believe that would be a man, I'm intrigued. Ladies and gentlemen, Joy is not a Super Bowl champion. He ends your legend. Former head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen, our coach, Coach McCarthy. Coach. What's going on back here? There's two of you. Yes.

1:06:45Dan Orlovsky:All right. Hey, guys. It's good to see you. I've missed you guys. We missed you. There's two of you. Are you hunting blind? Yeah, I had to have a picture today. So, you know, I put a picture of an impersonator, a hunting impersonator up there in the tree stand on Sunday. So it was the last day of deer hunting season up here. And I participated as far as being there. But I obviously didn't get anything. So it was a great day being out in the woods. And so I thought I'd represent all the great hunters of Wisconsin and, and the great outdoors up here. And, and like I say, they ask you where you hunt, they tell you, go to Minnesota.

1:07:21Dan Orlovsky:They don't want you up here. So it was a cool day. It was, it was a cool day, you know, obviously Thanksgiving weekend. You know, I haven't seen you guys in a while. So it's, this is a great part of the country. I'm really enjoying it.

1:07:32Pat McAfee:Okay. Well, coach, we miss you. Uh, we're happy, happy you had a great Thanksgiving. It sounds like, sorry you want tagless out there, brother. That's tough. You got a big old buck right there on your forehead. I don't know if that's what you were planning on getting up there and then walked out of there with absolutely nothing. I love that you said cold day there because my dad, Tim McAfee, he used his tag here in Indiana. He just bought an Amish shed down in Amish country. Beautiful. Beautiful. It is now. Two hours south of here, he bought a shed in the middle of Amish country, basically, that has hundreds of acres.

1:08:07Pat McAfee:You know, these Amish, they don't really hunt much. literally bought it he was putting the plumbing in three weeks ago so that he could get hunting season in down there goes into the back he gets a buck you know immediately love this place i'm a genius then his friends obviously back in pennsylvania where he hunts has a camp back up in the hills of pennsylvania up in warren near titiute up there his friends invite him back already got one you know indiana i'm living large has a pennsylvania tag oh seven point basically just walked right into my rifle you know so i had to do it so tim's living large we're about to have more venison jerky for than any place in the country that man just uh delivers it all so yeah i understand the outdoorsman life tim used to put his shit into a garbage bag with piss in it for three weeks before hunting season because these deer are smart obviously and they can smell them yeah i understand what you're doing up there i appreciate you hunters out there i appreciate it

1:08:58Dan Orlovsky:well i'll tell you what i had a good picture with a rifle in my hand i was scared to put it up because i don't want to get you in trouble but after that i should i should have definitely gone with that

1:09:05Pat McAfee:picture yeah i've had a rifle in my hands since i'm about 11 years old you know 30 on six i uh i've been i've been able to fire you know what i mean if i had to but let's talk ball as we talk about fruitless hunting season for you let's talk about fruitful thursdays which it has been for you whenever you project how a thursday night football game would be going if you were to make picks you'd be seven and three hey 70 very good very good coach i know you know nothing about it but If you were to go 70 % in picking games, you'd be in the Hall of Fame for picking games forever. Now, tonight obviously involves your Dallas Cowboys taking on a former division foe in the Detroit Lions.

1:09:46Pat McAfee:Dak Prescott, CD, GP, Ferguson, run game, offensive line might be the best offensive unit in ball right now. The defense obviously playing much better than they were earlier in the year. And for the Lions, they're still trying to figure it out, it seems. Last time we saw them, they weren't good. The only thing that was good was the halftime show and the team they were playing. Now, Lions favored by three, and then Cowboys receiving 83 % of the money, 77 % of the bets. So everybody is kind of thinking that the Cowboys have this one except for the sports books. What are your thoughts on tonight's game, and what are kind of your big takeaways for both teams to maybe win this one?

1:10:26Dan Orlovsky:Well, I'll just cut to the chase. The Cowboys won't need the points tonight. I really like the way they've been playing. And I think, you know, going through the research, I think we've had some great games here on Thursday night, and I think we're getting ready to watch the best one. I'm real excited to watch this game. Frankly, I'll watch this by myself somewhere, so I won't have to talk to anybody during it. I think it's going to be a hell of a football game. I've always had great respect, and I think A.J. attested this. I mean, even back in the early 2000s, Detroit is a very difficult place to play.

1:10:58Dan Orlovsky:I think they're an outstanding football team. You know, Dallas is healthier. You know, this is a big road win. They need this road win. You know, you always start the season where you need at least four road wins. This is an opportunity to get that third road win. This will be an opportunity for the Cowboys to win four games in 18 days and many bye week going into the final stretch. So I just think there's a lot that goes into the game. And I think when you look at the stats, I think the stats paint a really good picture of this. You know, you've got two outstanding offenses. The turnover ratio definitely favors Detroit.

1:11:30Dan Orlovsky:Dallas is going to have to do a great job taking care of the ball. Dallas is taking the ball away a lot better here than over the last month and a half. And I think the biggest change that I think will really factor for the Cowboys, when you talk about designing and building your football team, the ability to be strong down the middle. Because when you get into the coaching and you're putting together the scheme, your playbook, and how you want to build that offense or build that defense, You've got to be strong down the middle because the closest you are to the football, the more mental and emotional responsibility you have to that unit.

1:12:03Dan Orlovsky:And I think what Dallas has done on defense, going to the five-man line has really helped to run defense. And I think clearly you look at the middle of their defense now. The two defensive tackles inside, those additions have been excellent. You've got Demo Overshawn is back. He's a young impact player. I think Logan addition, you've got the two safeties back, Malik and Dono. So you look at the middle of that defense today compared to five, six weeks ago, and I thought they showed that on Thanksgiving Day. So I was real impressed with the way they played, and I think the video definitely of the past three or four games definitely favors Dallas in the game.

1:12:43Dan Orlovsky:Obviously, I know I'm biased, but I do. I feel really good about the Cowboys tonight and really looking forward to watching it. The offense, Dallas' offense is playing tremendous. I'm really asking, you know, I'm real excited to watch the chess match part of it. I'm curious to see how, you know, how Detroit is going to play Dallas's offense. You know, Detroit plays more base defense than anybody in the league. They always have. It's their philosophy. But, you know, when you got C.D. Lamb and George Pickens, I mean, you know, you know, how much to show is that going to present to the Dallas offense?

1:13:13Dan Orlovsky:And I think Brian and staff will do a great job of taking advantage of those run looks. So I think this is going to be a game that's going to have, you know, a lot going on. Obviously, the basics are who takes care of the ball, who takes it away are important. You've got the fourth down conversations, you know, that'll be part of this. But I think this is a great matchup tonight. Detroit needs this game. Dallas needs this game. I think it's going to come down to the end. And if you look at the two-minute offenses for both Dallas and Detroit, they're both excellent. You know, both quarterbacks are playing the last couple years.

1:13:47Dan Orlovsky:I don't think Jared Gawka is enough credit for how well he's played. Big fan of his and obviously a huge fan of Dax. And he is rolling. But if you look at the defenses, the two-minute defense and the run defense, I think those are going to be two big focal points tonight because this game could clearly come down to who has the ball last. And the offensive two minutes or performance to date have been much better than the defensive performance.

1:14:13Pat McAfee:I just think you've got a hell of a matchup.

1:14:14Dan Orlovsky:I know that's long-winded, but I did.

1:14:17Pat McAfee:No, that was great, actually. Everything you said there was fantastic. We got to learn a lot about how you view both teams. But you talk about that Dallas Cowboys defense a little bit, and you talk about the last few weeks versus what they were at the beginning. I think that's why it's hard to believe any of these stats about this defense. You know, it's hard because this is the entire season. They were ass-ass. What do you think it is? Do you think it is the trades that Jerry Jones made? And do you think it's also maybe Iber Flues' system kind of taking hold or them kind of understanding what they're looking for because they look vastly different than what they did at the beginning of the year.

1:14:47Pat McAfee:Is it sustainable, I guess, would be the question. And what have you seen as the biggest difference?

1:14:53Dan Orlovsky:Yeah, I think one thing about this, you know, this team, and, you know, you go back to training camp, we talked about them. It was a young football team that the majority of the team, in my opinion, the errors were all pointing up. So, you know, you got to deal with that, the health, the injury challenge that every team has to go through. It's just a matter of how many, when they come, to who and what positions. and Dallas is healthier. Dallas is a healthier team tonight than Detroit. But yeah, definitely the defense. I mean, their numbers were so bad and that's hard to overcome those when you have those numbers earlier in the season.

1:15:26Dan Orlovsky:But I think if you look at this team the last four or five weeks, especially since the trade of Quentin Williams and Logan Wilson, I mean, the middle of that defense and I think the five-man line structure they've gone through has really helped them. And, you know, I think both corners tonight are going to be challenged. I mean, I know those are matchups I'm going to be watching to see how that, because, you know, you've got two really good running games. You've got two dynamic runners in Detroit. You know, I'm definitely a fan of those guys, and I love the way Dallas is running the ball. I think the run and the action pass, the first and second down offense of Dallas has really, really improved, and I think it's a big part of why they're having success on third down and they're getting the red zone opportunities, and Dax did a great job getting the ball to his perimeter guys, particularly with attacking the end zone and those type of throws in the red zone.

1:16:19Dan Orlovsky:So this is going to be a hell of a matchup. And I do. I think this thing can come down to the end and whoever has the ball last statistically should win the game.

1:16:29Pat McAfee:All right, we're going to stay up for it for sure. We're staying up for it tonight. This is one of those ones we look forward to. This is a massive matchup. Congrats to Kirk and Al and Kaylee and Carissa. and Fitz and Witt and Sherm and Gonzo and – Marshawn sometimes. Congrats. This is a big one tonight. This is a big one tonight. We're excited about that. Go ahead, AJ. Go ahead, AJ. Coach, when you hear people talk about having a balanced offense, is that something as a play caller? Are you – is that something you think about in a game? Like, okay, boy, I got 12 passes, three runs called. I got to start running the ball more.

1:17:05Like, is that something you actually think about in game?

1:17:07Dan Orlovsky:Yeah, absolutely. And it's more about what's called. I think you clearly have to factor in the RPO mindset, the check with me mindset, the run to pass, the keeps to run, and all the different combinations that you give the quarterback. Coach, I'm starting to cut you off. Can you explain check with me to people that don't know? I think a lot of people don't really know what that means exactly. Yeah, I think the ability to play at the line of scrimmage, one, to take advantage of the defense as far as the pre-snap. You know, there's so much that goes on in the pre-snap, both for the offense and the defense.

1:17:41Dan Orlovsky:You know, defense is trying to disguise their calls and offense is trying to run to, you know, maybe a match up to a bubble, you know, support element, all those things. As far as how you want to have favorable angles when you run the football. And then with that, it enhances the action pass game. because the importance of having a really productive first and second down offense is the action pass game has to be productive. You have to make it, because I've always looked at everything from the quarterback's eyes in designing an offense. You have to make the offense easier for the quarterback on first and second down.

1:18:18Dan Orlovsky:Third down has always been extremely difficult in this league, and I think clearly with the way defenses are designed, everybody has five number one picks on their defensive line. And the pass rush in the league is, I think, tougher than ever. I think the chipping and the help and the protection adjustments, if you're not doing a lot of it, you're behind the times. So, I mean, third down has always been – and sometimes people talk about pro football as just a third down league, but third down is always difficult. So the ability to run the football is critical because every game that I've ever called, I don't think I've ever gone into it not thinking I need at least 30 run attempts because you have to give those big guys up front the ability to come off the football.

1:19:01Dan Orlovsky:Now, it doesn't always work out that way. And going back to the initial part of this question is I think you clearly got to give the quarterback the opportunity to, you know, if you want to run the ball to the left or run it to the right based on the numbers, switch the play. And those are all built in, whether it's run to run, run to pass, pass to run, you know. And then you obviously want to marry all those runs to your action pass game protection. And I think Dallas is doing an excellent job. And it starts number one with that offensive line. I mean, I love that line. I mean, that's a deep line.

1:19:31Dan Orlovsky:It's, I mean, Nate Thomas. I mean, how about the way he stepped in there? Paul.

1:19:37Pat McAfee:He's a dog, Nate Thomas. Nate Thomas, a dog. What a dog. What a beast. Absolutely dog. I was just going to start gassing up whoever you were going to say there.

1:19:46Dan Orlovsky:Okay, good. Gas him up. I mean, just to see what that young man went through as a rookie. You know, he basically was red-shirted. You know, had the knee surgery. And I think you learn a lot about a young player when they go through injuries. And to see him just in there every single day going through the rehab, building himself up. So I'm just really happy for him personally to see the success he's having. And I think he's going to be an excellent player for them for a long time. So that line is obviously connected. And I think they have excellent depth. And I think all that plays into running a football action pass game and keeping them favorable third downs and things like that.

1:20:21Pat McAfee:Coach, I think it's weird that you seemingly don't have any spite towards the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, I want to let you know that. Especially with how their season's going and how they're playing and how you talk about them. You know, people could think that you'd be maybe a little bit jaded by not signing another contract with the Dallas Cowboys. That was all very public. Very, very public. And then Shottie gets hired from within. And then Shottie's first time, you know, then there's a conversation around it. from the day that we started talking to you before the draft all the way through now with the Cowboys having the season that they're having and having success, which could make a person or an ex or whatever maybe even more upset.

1:21:02Pat McAfee:Maybe some people would wish for a failure after they leave a place. Instead, they're playing good ball. You've given credit throughout this entire thing to Shoddy, to Dak. I think even to Jerry, you've given him credit through this entire thing. there hasn't been like an ounce of you being or sounded jaded at all uh is that do you think about that ever and we would like to commend you for that i would like to let you know as a person who's probably very competitive with the way it all worked and you just being able to talk about the greatness that you kind of saw there and the possibilities there as opposed to all the other shit i think that is something that is commendable so i would just like to let you know that i saw

1:21:37Dan Orlovsky:that and we all see that well well thank you i think you know like a lot of things in life you You live and learn, I think is – I'm a little older than you are, Pat, but I think that carrying wasted negative energy, Ryan, is not something I really want to engage in at this point in my life. And I do. I'm very thankful for my 30-plus years in this league, going back to the Kansas City Chiefs, Marty Schottenheimer, Pat Schottenheimer for that opportunity, New Orleans Saints, Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers, and obviously the Dallas Cowboys. So that's not lost on me. And it's probably even more so because I'm here in reflection now because, you know, when you are able to step away from it, your appreciation even goes up even more.

1:22:24Dan Orlovsky:So, yeah, I root for those guys, you know. And I've known Brian Schottenheimer since he's been in high school. So, I mean, to see him finally get an opportunity. So, yeah, I do. And this is no disrespect for Detroit because I think Dan Campbell's an outstanding coach and I love the way his team plays. but I'm wholeheartedly rooting for Detroit. I don't give a shit. Or excuse me, the Cowboys. I'm not sure how many points Detroit would be giving them tonight. And by the way, I want to go back to that record, 7-3, because I'm 9-3. I don't know who the hell's doing this. Yeah, I guess we haven't kept it up in a while.

1:22:55Pat McAfee:Maybe there's a couple of pushes, though, maybe?

1:22:58Dan Orlovsky:I think there's a – I mean, he asked me the one on a text. That third loss was a text message. What about the last text I gave you on Thanksgiving? Yeah, yeah. It was 8-3 last week. I think I'm 9-3. Who cares? Who cares? Who's counting? I'm 9-3. I'm 9-3.

1:23:16Pat McAfee:I'm rooting wholeheartedly for the Dallas Cowboys tonight, and I'm picking them. 9-3. Who's counting? Who's doing that? Incredible odds. But I was worried about that because AJ came on, and AJ's like, I like the Dallas Cowboys. I came on the show earlier, and I was like, this feels like too easy of the Dallas Cowboys because of everything we've seen. And then we were worried you weren't going to be able to give us non-biased, you know, opinions because of how you've always viewed the Cowboys since we've started talking to you. So, and that's exactly what you did. He came in here and told us straight to our face that you're going to fucking pick him no matter what.

1:23:48Pat McAfee:So that is, it's an interesting.

1:23:50Dan Orlovsky:No, but I also did the work, Pat. I did. I looked at the numbers. I looked, I went through the same process that I go through every, every week. You know, I want to do a good job for you and your show and, um, and, and the numbers in the video, um, you know, I'm going with the Cowboys based off that too. You're looking for things certainly. But I'm going to say this. It's not going to be easy, though. It's not going to be easy. I'll say that. I think this is going to be a difficult – I don't ever recall walking out of that stadium thinking, boy, that was easy. That's a tough place to play. I mean, the noise – I mean, I think it's – I love the venue.

1:24:22Dan Orlovsky:You walk down like you're into a dungeon, pull up on a street level. I love everything about Ford Field. I mean, I think that's one of the unique places to play. So that place is going to be rocking. Cowboy fans travel very well. So I think this is going to be a dynamite game tonight.

1:24:37Pat McAfee:Are the Cowboys going to take over Ford Field tonight? Absolutely not. We're not starting that narrative. I promise you that the Lions fans are going absolutely positive.

1:24:45Dan Orlovsky:I'll just say this. Don't let their ass in there then.

1:24:51Pat McAfee:The Cowboys fans are loud, which is, you know, a part of the entire process and a part of obviously the expectations for the Cowboys. They can potentially do it. And they started terribly. and if they were to do that, obviously sports media people would love it as Prime loves that they're on Thursday night. Now, there's going to be a lot of decisions made tonight by these coaches. Obviously, Shadi, every decision he makes going forward in any situation is like, hey, this is his first time doing it. For MCDC, he has a track record and that track is currently not going great. Ty has a question for you.

1:25:23Cody Campbell:Yeah, Coach, you mentioned how one of the big takeaways from the game tomorrow will be the fourth down discussion, however that shakes out and obviously the Lions early in the year were great on fourth down when they were kind of rolling a little bit the last couple weeks. They are 0 for 7. When it comes to going for it on fourth down, what exactly was your philosophy? How do you handle that? And for a guy like Dan Campbell, there are so many analytics out there that kind of take away the feel and all that kind of stuff. Do you think certain coaches get pigeonholed into doing what they've done for the entire season and by this late in the season, and it becomes just, hey, I have to stick to my guns.

1:26:01Cody Campbell:I have to do what I've done the whole year. Or how would you handle going forward on fourth down, especially in a game like tonight when it'll probably be at a critical moment?

1:26:10Dan Orlovsky:Well, I mean, I've never really had much of a conversation, maybe outside of Dan Quinn and some of the guys that I've worked with. But I can just tell you how I've done it. Analytics has made a big impact on situational football. I mean, I think we all recognize that, you know, over the last 10, 15 years. But, you know, I just believe, and I've always believed this, you know, mathematics is the language of the universe. You have to pay attention to the mathematics. But I don't think you should do it.

1:26:38Pat McAfee:That's a bar right there. Mathematics is the language of the universe? Is that what you said?

1:26:45Dan Orlovsky:Yeah, I mean, of course. I believe that. No, I think you always got to look at the numbers. I mean, I don't think there's, I don't think at any decision-making opportunity, regardless of your business. You know, I look at my first time around you, when we did the draft show up there Thursday night at Lambeau Field, we got in the golf cart and it was just an unbelievable night. I think the first thing was you pulled that phone out and you were talking about numbers. I mean, you got to be in two with the numbers. It doesn't matter what business, you know, or what situation you're in when you're trying to be productive and make some decisions.

1:27:20Dan Orlovsky:So, yes, mathematics is the language of the universe. So I thought that was common knowledge. No, that's a great bar. That is a great bar.

1:27:29Pat McAfee:But you're talking about fourth downs when it comes to the universe's language with fourth downs.

1:27:35Dan Orlovsky:Well, I think in everything. But anyways, okay, fourth down. Let's get back on the topic here, Pat. Fourth down, we want to talk about the numbers. I think analytics has made a huge impact in that. But it's just like anything. All these analytics and utilization of numbers, they're great. But the question I always ask is, how do you apply it? How do you apply it in-game? The application of all these things, and that's the beauty of coaching. That's why I have so much respect for what these coaches do week in and week out, the amount of time that they put into this, because you're making those calls in about a five - to eight-second window.

1:28:11Dan Orlovsky:I mean, if not, now you're being late to the defensive communication. communication, AJ attested that, or if I'm not getting it in to the quarterback, you know, you're not giving them a chance to press the line of scrimmage and all that stuff. So yeah, so I mean, that's real important is how do you apply? So mathematically, I think there's been so many programs out there, but I always wanted to make the decision on fourth down before the series started, you know, as far as the anticipation, because, you know, when you see guys getting stuck, sometimes that makes me curious, what's their in-game application of that communication?

1:28:44Dan Orlovsky:So, and the way we've done it is, you know, we get the ball on a 20-yard line and it's just, and it's done by field position or region. And then, you know, ebb and flow of the game, the score of the game, those things are, you're trying to factor those in. Because, you know, mathematics on the historical sense, you talk about that going into the game, but you also got to have the mathematics and actually what's going on in that game. Really? And, you know, in, in no one knows better than the coaches and the players and the communication on the headsets, what, you know, that you, you may not feel as good about the fourth and three and fourth and four call as you did, you know, Saturday afternoon when you left the offense.

1:29:21Dan Orlovsky:So that's where the ebb and flow of it is, is something that you really need to take in part. And the other part too is, you know, and AJ will definitely jump on this is when you hold, when you hold that offense on fourth down, that, that equates to a takeaway. You know, if the offense has, you know, 12 series in a game, you know, those series need to end in a kick. You know, either with an extra point or two point or a punt. And if that series does not end in a kick, then that's a takeaway for the defense. You know, whether they obviously take the ball away or they hold on fourth down. So the point I'm making there, the momentum of that fourth down is obviously important for the offense.

1:29:59Dan Orlovsky:But it could be more important for the defense at that particular point in the game. So time a game is the point I'm making. So I think those are the three things that would run through my head. You know, number one, what's the mathematics? What's the heaven flow of the game? And what's the momentum? So I think you've got to have a thought process that you can just tap into because you're making those calls in real time. And that's the way I did it, Ty.

1:30:23Pat McAfee:I appreciate the fact that you're saying you've got to have momentum here. Are we playing good right now or are we not playing good right now? Because you talk about a fourth and three maybe not being as good on a Saturday. But also, this fourth and five, I mean, we're spinning it right now. I feel like the boys are hungry, the boys are eager. Let's go for that. And then obviously, whenever you add in the universe's language that God wrote, you know, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, let me go, let me go. I see a quote from a man a long time ago. He sees a quote from a man named Galileo. This was a good quote.

1:30:59Pat McAfee:Great quote. You pulling Galileo whenever we're talking about fucking fourth down situational football? You're a yinzer? I'll tell you what. Hey, you impress me every week. You impress me every week.

1:31:13Dan Orlovsky:I'll tell you what, man. I'm sorry that slipped up. I mean, Galileo, that is unbelievable.

1:31:19Pat McAfee:That is pretty good. I mean, that guy behind you right there is quoting Galileo when talking about fourth down situational football.

1:31:27Dan Orlovsky:That is special. I can't believe where some of these conversations go. This is awesome. That's you. It's you. It's where you go. I brought it up in that tree stand. That's why I wanted to whip it out on one. I was sitting in that stand for about six hours.

1:31:40Pat McAfee:You scrolling through your phone. What's some good quotes? What's with Galileo? Yeah, I'll drop some Galileo on these hoes. No problem at all. I mean, that's outrageous. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry about that. I had to celebrate Galileo being on our show. I love it. I love it, Coach. I love it. I've said before, numbers don't even equate in my head. math doesn't even i i am learning disabled when it comes to mathematics so i'm screwed on the the universe's language but hopefully i can find a way to get by but coach if you're sitting on the sideline and you had a quarterback like jackson dart who was too tough for his own good i think and he's taking big old shots all over the place i guess what do you tell him because you obviously love his competitive fire and everything about him but how do you protect a guy like that

1:32:21Dan Orlovsky:oh i i think it's part of his responsibility i think just like everything we always talk about you know the two most important abilities are accountability accountability and availability and availability is number one uh you got to be available to your team and and it's and it's decision making so if you can improve your decision making that's going to improve your availability then it's it's part of this job description the most important stat for young quarterbacks you know starting with this young man right here on the screen is you have to be you know how many guys how many games is he going to consecutive games can he you play because you you only improve playing every Sunday you have to line up and play so I think it's it's clearly it's all it's all part of your role is job responsibility and it's you know it's something that he has to be more aware of I mean he's he's missed a number of games this year and uh we all love the way he plays don't get me wrong I mean you love the physicality but you know this is a situation we talk about it in in our training of the play style AJ violent on the boundary.

1:33:20Dan Orlovsky:That's where a half a yard could be the difference in one in a game. But not at this point in the game. He's got to get out of bounds. But part of it, too, I was watching the game live. It didn't look like he saw him, to be honest with you. I don't think he, right here, he doesn't look like he's aware that...

1:33:38Pat McAfee:There's a human coming potential. He's looking at that pile-on, you're saying. He's trying to get strictly to the pile-on. Has no idea a human is coming to get him. Happened with Anthony Richardson. Remember, scored a touchdown against Houston. he thought he was in it like a two-yard line he's like he like kind of held up and then somebody came concussion i think through the end zone because he didn't expect somebody to come it's like the nfl these dudes are really fast really really really really fast and that's tough for some of these quarterbacks though who have been maybe the most athletic or close to the most athletic person on the field i'm not saying jackson dart ever thought that but jackson dart moved at ole miss i mean there's a lot of moments where he's running all over the place it's like the NFL, everybody's very fast and everybody hits hard.

1:34:20Pat McAfee:You know, it's like there's there's levels to it. And I just I would hate to see Jackson Dart not have a chance to be a great NFL quarterback strictly because he wants to continue to prove how tough he is. We think you're tough, dude. We think you're tough. Your hair is really cool, too. The way you dress is super cool. We like your swag, your moxie. We like how you view football. We would just like you to survive. You know, we've seen a lot of guys not survive whenever they try to play like this. Too many. Too many. Too many guys. No, I'm not.

1:34:48Dan Orlovsky:Pat, I'll say this. I mean, I love the way he plays. Because I think when I evaluate quarterbacks, you look at the in-the-pocket ability versus the out-of-pocket. And what he does naturally, you can't teach. I mean, his ability to make plays with his feet, whether it's stepping up in the A or B gap and coming out off the movement stuff. So, I mean, just the fact that they run them on so many design quarterback runs tells you what the coaching staff thinks of him. So, I mean, those are all benefits. But it's the in-the-pocket stuff is always the last thing that I always felt the drop-back phase is always the real challenge for the guys in the National Football League.

1:35:28Dan Orlovsky:So the fact that he is so productive out of the pocket, naturally, you know, he just has to be smarter because the real challenge is, you know, beating teams in the pocket. This is a two-minute league. I mean, you look at the games, especially if you get the playoffs, 98 % of these games come down to the last series of the game. So that quarterback has to win from the pocket to start off with. So, you know, this young man has an extremely bright future. I mean, I think every quarterback coach in the United States will love to coach this guy, just the way he plays. But, you know, he's got to be conscious of his availability.

1:36:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, we need you to survive, brother. 98%, that's good mathematics. Galileo would have loved that number. 98%. That's a big number there. Gally would have been like, oh, that's almost 100%. Did you see Greg Olson and J.J. Watt get into it over the universe's language? Have you seen that a little bit?

1:36:26Dan Orlovsky:No, I missed it. I was at a tree stand.

1:36:29Pat McAfee:You're right. You know what? We don't need to bring any negative bullshit to your way. All right, let's ask you another question about ball. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Coach, just nerds being nerds with their stats. But kind of excluding that, can we go to Philadelphia for a second? Kevin Petulo is getting a lot of heat right now. Fans are going to his house. It's a little too much. But that's Philly, baby. That's why it is what Philadelphia is all about. What would you do if you're Nick Sirianni? Is this a situation where you step in, you say, hey, look, Kevin, everybody hates you. They're about to burn down your house legitimately.

1:37:02I'm going to take over from here on out. Why does Philly look so terrible on offense? Why does it look so inconsistent? And is it something where the fans should feel justified in putting all the blame on an offensive coordinator? Is this a situation where, hey, look, they just haven't kind of hit on all cylinders and eventually they are going to figure it out? What would you do if you're Nick Sirianni?

1:37:25Dan Orlovsky:Well, I'll say this. I mean, no one knows the football team better than that. I mean, that's and I think that's for every head coach. You know, like you're in every meeting, you put together every schedule, you know, you're involved in constant conversation. So especially with his background as an offensive coordinator, he clearly knows what's going on, you know, whether it's the injuries or, you know, the continuity. I mean, you know, you're talking about an offensive line. It's really I mean, this this run that Philadelphia is on is is is a special run. I mean, they've been to multiple Super Bowls, but their offensive line has been impeccable.

1:37:58Dan Orlovsky:So, you know, when you have something that's in place for so long, you know, and then you're going through some injury phases and things that are going on there, yeah, there's potentially a drop off. So, you know, but the personal part, I do believe in, you know, protecting the personal space of players and coaches because I don't think anybody should have to go through that. We all understand the fans are a huge part of making this game go. They pay the money for the tickets, but when you're putting people in harm's way, I obviously don't agree with that. But I would say that all the conversations that we were wondering about or topics that we talked about, those conversations have already been had internally.

1:38:46Dan Orlovsky:So, you know, I just think like anything, this game is so competitive. I feel like I don't say it enough on air. It is so damn hard to win one football game in this league. And that's something that I always admired. It was something coming from college back in 93 in the NFL, just thinking, man, it is so damn hard to win one game. And that's why when teams do have the ability to sustain success over a five-year period, a six-year period, an eight-year period, I mean, that says a lot about that organization, says a lot about that program. And you're looking at an organization that is, you know, at this phase right now is leading the way in the last five-year increment of our league.

1:39:27Dan Orlovsky:So I guarantee you that they are on top of what needs to be done, but their fans are as passionate. I mean, there's nothing like playing a game in Philadelphia. I mean, it's one of the, you know, all-time environments to play into, you know, play at as far as the energy and so forth. them and um you know so they do they have unbelievable fans there but you know i i don't want to see anybody's family get there's no reason for anybody to get hurt hurt over this yeah agreed

1:39:52Pat McAfee:philadelphia is a different place especially when you coach for the eagles i think you know what you're signing up for because you have home field advantage and then also home field disadvantage if it's not going the right way because they will turn on you and uh there certainly has been some of those times even last year whenever they were in the middle of what would now we know would be a Super Bowl run. The amount of things that we're saying, being said about that particular team from their own fans throughout the different parts of the season, absolutely absurd. And then this year, the fans feel justified.

1:40:21Pat McAfee:All the drama is coming to a head. There's a reason. And if you get rid of one guy, it feels like it all gets better. But once that happens, we feel, Philadelphia Classic, they'll certainly find something else that needs to kind of, this needs to maybe pick it up as well. They expect greatness. Sirianni understands that. And good luck to them out there. Now, there's another city in the Keystone State that has a lot of drama around it right now. Go ahead, Tom.

1:40:48Cody Campbell:Yeah, Coach, you talk about how hard it is to win games. We come from a town in Pittsburgh that has gone 21 straight seasons without a losing season. But that is not enough for the fan base anymore. I had a friend who was drinking at Huff's in Greenfield during the game on Sunday. He said he could hear the booze and the calls for Tomlin's job from there. What are your thoughts on that situation as a whole as it gets really, really loud right now?

1:41:12Dan Orlovsky:Well, I think the big thing is, and I'll say this just as far as the whole league, and I know Pat's already touched on a couple of them, but being a fan this year and watching from the cheer that I'm watching because you always are worried about your team and focused on that, it's amazing, and it's going to only pick up this week because this week's incredible with the games that we've got. slate this week. But just the energy of the week, the week, negativity or positivity, the way this pendulum swings across the list, it's amazing to me. It's amazing to me. And I think Pittsburgh is obviously in that situation.

1:41:54Dan Orlovsky:But I have the utmost respect for Mike Tomlin. I've competed against Mike, and I think Mike is really starting the second half of a Hall of Fame career. I mean, I think Mike's in his early 50s. He can coach as long as he wants, but they're playing for first place on Sunday. Yeah, they are! Okay. They're playing for first place. They've been in these kind of spots before, and it's hard. It's hard now, and you get it. It's about winning, and it's about putting Super Bowl, who's putting the next Super Bowl trophy in that case, and everybody that works at an organization expectation that has the success of a Pittsburgh or a Dallas or a Green Bay.

1:42:38Dan Orlovsky:You understand that expectation. But, yeah, the fact of the matter, and I think he'll do a great job getting ready. This is going to be another game that I definitely want to sit down and watch, you know, Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Anytime these guys get together, and they've played against – Mike and John have played against each other more than anybody. So – and that's my reality. That's how I look at it. I just think that, you know, let it play out. You know, just let this play out. He's been in this spot a bunch of times. you know, and...

1:43:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, too many is what the Steelers fans are saying. Hey, we're in the spot every year. That's what they're saying. You know them, though. That is literally what...

1:43:11Dan Orlovsky:I get it, but I think sustained... I'll say this. I'm curious to hear AJ's opinion on this. We went to the playoffs nine out of ten years, eight years in a row. I think it's the only... It's only been four times that that's happened in the NFL, if that's the case, at one time. I know that stat's out there. You guys can confirm it. But I felt going to the playoffs eight years in a row for nine out of ten years was so much more difficult than winning one Super Bowl. Because that Super Bowl win that we had, I mean, that year, you talk about injuries. I mean, we were decimated. And, man, we came out of training camp.

1:43:47We thought we had the best team.

1:43:49Dan Orlovsky:We felt great about our football team. But there was points in that season. I mean, there was two points. I think it was the Miami game after the Washington game where we didn't have 45 guys on Friday to line up healthy so that we were going to have to make moves on a Friday and Saturday to fill our game day roster. So, I mean, my point is you have points in those seasons. You just got to, you know, in that group, and, you know, A.J. was one of the key guys there, is they just kept playing, kept playing, and most importantly, they got a good defense. You know, everybody talks about the offense and Aaron Rodgers.

1:44:22Dan Orlovsky:The Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010 because of our defense. That's the only time that I know in my career that I had a top five defense. and that's why I'm excited about the Packers this year. I mean, I think that's the first time that they've had a top five defense since 2010. So, you know, my point is you've got a chance. You've always got a chance because their defense is going to keep them in the game. The defense is going to give them that chance and it comes down to the end, go win that thing in two minutes. And the reality of it is that's the league, and that's why it's unbelievable to watch.

1:44:54Dan Orlovsky:I mean, these games come down to the end, and that's why the two-minute stuff is so important. So I just think, I mean, Mike's a great coach. Just let this thing play out, you know, and you just got to get into tournament. You got to get into tournament. You guys got to be relatively healthy. And most important is the confidence of that locker room. And that's how you want it. And then that was our personal experience in 2010.

1:45:20Pat McAfee:That's your experience in 2010 that ends with the Lombardi. The Dallas Cowboys this year could have that particular run as well where they were counted out. Then they got hot, started playing for each other. They have a huge one tonight in Detroit. Coach McCarthy, who is 8-9-3 on Thursday night and Thursday football bets, says that he likes the Dallas Cowboys not just because they paid him a lot of money for a long time and he still has allegiances there, but also because the video. He said, I watched the movies just like everybody else did, and the Dallas Cowboys, Galileos, and the movies hold up to just what I want in my heart to say, which is Dallas Cowboys.

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1:46:07Dan Orlovsky:I did not.

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1:46:52Pat McAfee:So I don't know if Dallas is going to invade and take over, but what SeatGeek's early numbers are 15 % of purchasers, Cowboys fans going into tonight. Who knows how many other potential purchases there are. They'll be loud, though, if they get rolling, is what you're saying, huh, Coach?

1:47:07Dan Orlovsky:Oh, definitely. No, I agree. I mean, that's a tough place to play. I mean, I think it's going to be a great environment. But I would say this, don't let them in there. That's for sure. You're the man. You'll lose your home field advantage. Oh, he's a Cowboys fan. AJ, we know what that sounds like. I mean, hell, we go over there. Sometimes I'm going to take that stadium over, man. It was unbelievable.

1:47:29Pat McAfee:Packers fans would take over?

1:47:30Cody Campbell:Yesterday was actually a chance going in. Oh, yeah. Yesterday was the anniversary of Rodgers throwing the Hail Mary to win. There you go. That's right, Todd. There's a lot of Packers fans in Michigan, unfortunately.

1:47:42Pat McAfee:Unfortunately. Well, you know why? Do you know why? But they still got to get in the door. Well, they're a pretty good franchise. I know that. Yeah, for a long time. He's saying they got in the door, though. This is just like when – who went into Seattle and took over? Buffalo Bills fans took over. did as well. Bills and Packers. Bills and Packers took over the Seahawks stadium last year or two years ago. Last year. That's crazy how much the Seahawks have changed in the Seahawks fans perspective and their eyes. Good for them turning that around. Anytime another team takes over your stadium, that's a good indicator of how your fans feel about your team.

1:48:12Pat McAfee:It's kind of how it's just naturally judged from the outside looking in. Detroit Lions fans are good, right? We're good? Yeah, we actually took over Lambeau last year, so not worried about it at all. Love that. Alright, we appreciate you, Hunter. Have a good one, brother.

1:48:28Dan Orlovsky:Well, I'll tell you what, though. The thing, are we done? No. Okay. I didn't know if you were doing the flip over here, but no, that's one of the problems I think you have in Lambeau is you got some season ticket holders that could probably sell their tickets to the Detroit game and pay their whole year for season tickets. So, you know, tickets sell pretty good over here in Lambeau.

1:48:53Pat McAfee:destination over the years yeah it's a museum it's an nfl museum over there we're not doing a turnover yet we got about five minutes until then speaking of turnover though we talked a little bit about a check with me place is that what peyton was saying when he was going apple apple and omo what are some of the words that are the verbiage that is used that we can hear if we're watching tv when they're oh that's quarterback deciding to go to the second play that was called or maybe even the third play that was also called well i'll say this i mean they're all indicators but i think you clearly have to you know you know that's something ever since they

1:49:25Dan Orlovsky:put the uh microphones on the center in the in the guards i mean i think it's been great for the fans to hear that but you know just remember your quality control coaches and your analytics people are watching that too so there's you know you have to change that up is my point so i mean you got you got cans you know you got y 'all can't can the call i think golf is a can can guy isn't he

1:49:45Pat McAfee:Yes.

1:49:46Dan Orlovsky:The fact that it's so common, I guarantee you, most of the time, it's probably a dummy. Dummy, you know, mean they're not doing it. So that's the game within the that's the game within the game. I mean, there's so much that goes on and pre-stamp is what I was referring to. So, you know, over, over, over, you know, revert, revert. I mean, there's a lot of common terms. But the fact is, you know, that based on what is said before it or what's said after it could be part of the change of what you're really doing. Because you've got to protect your staples. That's how we would do it. You always try to protect your primary check with me's or primary overs when you flip the play from one side to the other or run the pass, pass the run.

1:50:30Dan Orlovsky:So, you know, I mean, how many different sentiments do you have for a draw play? You know, those types of things.

1:50:37Pat McAfee:Okay, so that is what I was about to say. There's normally a bucket of words, though. Like, I got a chance to sit on a couple brainstorming meetings at training camp for Peyton in the offense. And it was like, Bozo was dummy cadence. So anything that follows Bozo, fake, but what's immediately after what's after Bozo is actual call. And everybody has to hear that. And everybody has to know that. And everybody has to be on the same page, including the person that is giving the Bozo call, remembering that they gave the Bozo call, and then, you know, what is following and what is following in there.

1:51:10Pat McAfee:So there's – I don't know how many quarterbacks are doing all that, though. Is that a very common thing these days? I don't know how common it is. Bryce Young did it against the Packers this year. Remember, he was doing all the checks at the line, but everybody knew it was just a handoff to Rico Dowdell right up the middle. But for 20 seconds, he was yelling stuff out, and then it was just secco. Everybody thought it was a pass except for the Panthers, and they ran it right up the gut. Is that still happening in pretty rapid clip is what you're saying, Coach McCarthy, it sounds like?

1:51:37Dan Orlovsky:I mean, to Connor's point, I mean, you have to be believable in your signals because, you know, you can't look like a dummy giving a dummy signal. Like, you know, like you say, you can't be. It's got to be believable. I mean, that was a coaching point. And, you know, but yeah, I would say every quarterback is doing it. It's just a matter of how much. And I think that's really the beauty of the game of football. I don't think there's a whole lot of what people are doing that other people aren't doing. It's just really how much they're doing, you know. and that's really the part of the chess match because you have to be able to play in the pre-snap to win because once again, if it comes down to a two-minute situation, that's where these guys learn.

1:52:20Dan Orlovsky:You've got to be able to change the protection. You've got to be able to change it. You've got to have answers for blitz. You've got to have proactive adjustments in that situation or these defenses, they'll eat you up. I mean, defense football has been so aggressive for the last 25 years. I mean, you know, the bare defense back with Buddy Ryan changed a lot of that. Just when people, when they start getting into overload schemes and things like that, you have to have answers for that. You're not giving your offensive players a chance at all to be successful.

1:52:51Pat McAfee:Quarterbacks having to know what's happening for every position before the snap, after the snap, and during the snap is what makes it the hardest position in all of sports. And if you have a great one, you can win a Super Bowl. And we got two great ones playing tonight on Thursday night. Coach McCarthy likes the Dallas Cowboys. Before we get out of here, you got about 49 seconds. Anything to say to the team before we get out of here, Coach McCarthy? To your team? To the whole team here, yeah, the whole team. Yeah, just don't forget mom and dad.

1:53:22Dan Orlovsky:Remember where it all started. So I hope everybody had a happy Thanksgiving. Congratulations to Samantha and Pat. And don't forget about what's most important, family.

1:53:30Pat McAfee:Hell, yeah. Family's what it's all about. Coach McCarthy, we're thankful that you've joined our family this season. And we're thankful that tonight, week 14 of the NFL season, is kicking off in a magical way. Two potential playoff teams, two potential Super Bowl teams kick off on prime. We will overreact to it all tomorrow. I will be live in Atlanta. A.J. Hawk will be here. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice that might change their life. Dookie drops at midnight. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. I feel like we hit it there. Yeah, we held it. That was a good one.

1:54:01Pat McAfee:Hey, that was a good one, Coach. You did great there. You did really good there, Coach. I think that was good time by you. Good timing and good message there. Thankful for that.

1:54:09Dan Orlovsky:All right. Well, thankful. I'm thankful for you guys. Missed you guys.

1:54:12Pat McAfee:Hey, the deer, what'd they do? They smelled you? What do you think? You think they smelled you? They were just smarter than you? What do you think happened out there?

1:54:19Dan Orlovsky:I think the reality is I don't think they're colorblind because when they saw my big ass and all that orange, they just ran the other way. We were walking up. I mean, just the whole, when we first got out there in the woods you just saw them all running away and it was pretty comical.

1:54:34Pat McAfee:That running in saying, this dipshit doesn't think we can see him? All right, dude. And we'll get on out of here. It's all right, better luck next time. Or not. It's all about the vibe more so than the outcome. Unless you live off of it, which Tim McAfee will for the next six, seven months, which means Sally McAfee will as well. So good luck to my mom. She's got a fun couple months ahead of her. And Coach, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. All right, man. Have a great week. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Coach McCarthy. Yeah, Coach. I like that, AJ. There's two of them. Every time I cut to the one shot, it was just his head smiling over his head talking.

1:55:09It was awesome. I thought of him taking that selfie in the tree stand. I go, this is good lighting. I got it. Good lighting, you think?

1:55:17Pat McAfee:Oh, what did I say? I got it. He probably took it this way, shadows. Nope. Oh, yeah. Jess, what do you think? Jess, look at me. That'd be awesome. How about him out there? Okay, just in the middle of nowhere, cold as shit because you hear it was a cold one you heard him say that that is certainly probably a focal point of the conversation as you're sitting there for a couple hours nothing's coming this is a good time i'm happy we did this this is really good yeah this type thing you can't get anywhere else you know and then they go back into the cabin and then the cabin actually good time yeah i assume cabin actually good time and then wake up the next morning gotta be up there for sunrise that's when you're moving you know okay we gotta wake up super early let's go out there cold as shit this is really fun so they're moving now or one of the yeah this will be when they're moving okay i'll be ready sun comes up yeah we missed it didn't we yeah you want to head back to cabin absolutely come back whenever the sun is setting yes that is good that is when they'll be moving again it's interesting how those go or could go or he's just out there i mean tim mcgafee was out there laying in on a mountain for two days you know just fucking way out there.

1:56:25Pat McAfee:He can barely walk today. Yeah, he came in, obviously, fucking the whole body. He had to drag this thing out. And he said he got all the way back to his fucking... I mean, he hikes. It's a hike through actual mountains, across actual creeks that are really either frozen or fully running, up into another mountain on the other side of the mountain is where he's at. This is where they're all at. This is where they're all at. All these other ones, all these other haulers and valleys, fuck dope they ain't there you got to get to two haulers down to really where they'll be and uh he does it every year so massive respect for him doing that but he gets out there 3 34 a.m too because you got to be out there obviously when they're going to be moving he said he got down there and an Amish man he's never seen this person before he's in Pennsylvania he's not Amish down here Amish man walks right up to him and goes hey sorry I scared away the biggest deer I've ever seen in my life 10 pointer sorry about it just ran him away from you and Tim goes oh good morning man good to see you thanks so tim potentially had it tim potentially had it i guess uh jeb would die scared that fucker away that didn't stop tim from camping out there though for fucking 24 hours for no shit and he got one and he got one yeah he's living good right now

1:57:35Cody Campbell:and so you you guys gonna be eating that yeah i can't wait you're gonna be eating it's clean meat it's delicious it's clean eating he's got a good venison recipe has he ever given has he ever given a deer a heart attack like you did back when you were a toddler?

1:57:48Pat McAfee:No, but he was appreciative of the heart attack because guess what? Save more meat.

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1:58:40Pat McAfee:Football! He's the greatest. That's AJ Hawk. It's good to see you, AJ. Good to be here, Hager. We love you, AJ. We love you, AJ. Love you guys. Love you guys too, man. Coach Mike loves it, too. I think he's having more and more fun every time he comes on. Well, there was two of them today, so obviously we appreciate him joining us. I don't know if you saw this. This is a double-barreled torch. Bouted at a gas station yesterday. Zito said, got to have it, brought it in. I feel like I'm you, H. I feel like I'm you with this thing. Before you guys kicked off at 12 o 'clock, I actually Instagram got me.

1:59:12I ordered three torch flamethrowing lighter things, so it's going to be sweet when they come in.

1:59:16Pat McAfee:Okay. the weather we're in right now you need these torches yeah yeah because it's very windy actually saw a massive massive bum fire underneath the highway on my way into work today yeah those things will spread with the wind it was a problem yeah actually and how dry the air is okay because how cold it we're in that it's really cold out here i mean it's really cold out here i i think this is the week where we all kind of realize and acknowledge we're in it yeah okay we are in it now i don't know if anything is going to compare to the ohio state tennessee game when we were on that sideline with how cold that was or montana state when i was out there for game day was like negative 15 or something like that i hope that that isn't what this particular winter feels like but boy as we've gotten back into it as i was a young boy i never got cold like never got cold was always outside just like never really got cold hey snow actually makes it warmer you know Like that's what I actually thought.

2:00:12Pat McAfee:Like snow actually makes it feel warmer because we can do stuff with the snow. Now you get out here though, snow isn't always the type of snow that you can do stuff with. Sometimes just the boring snow. And then also a little precipitation just makes, I've gotten soft with my old age. I get cold now. And I stay cold. Do you stay cold? That's the thing I think as you get older, like once I get cold or my feet get cold, like they're cold for 12 hours. And also there's like a little hangover effect of the coldness, like the day after, like a thawing period that happened after that. that Ohio State-Tennessee game, like the next day, my body was like thawing out.

2:00:45Pat McAfee:It's very new for me. I've gotten older and softer, but what I'm saying is we've gotten into meaningful football season. It's cold as fuck outside. Talks to the table's here. I have Boston Connor and I have Ty Schmidt. What I have with the hammer, done. Cowboys AP Tone is here. And AJ, tonight, I think we got a big one that we need to make some picks for. We've heard a lot of things said by the former coach of the Dallas Cowboy, who's not jaded at all towards the Cowboys. I think that has been impressive. That's why I wanted to tell him that, AJ. Like, I legitimately wanted to tell him, like, you've had a lot of reasons to kind of be a little bit of a dick about this entire situation in Dallas.

2:01:19Pat McAfee:You could have turned and said, like, well, yeah, they've got a good roster to kind of diminish what Shottie's doing, you know. Say, oh, it would have been nice to get maybe George Pickens when I'm the head coach of the team. Have two number ones. That'd be great. He could have taken that angle, and we've seen that before from people. But instead, it's like he's very happy for Shottie, very happy for Dallas, and he's very happy for the life that he's living currently. It's been a wonderful thing to listen to him chat about the Cowboys. Yeah, all the way back to the draft, he actually says, hey, my time with the Cowboys, I learned so much from Jerry Jones on the business side.

2:01:47It's impossible to hate what has happened. And he also mentioned, yeah, I believe that the Cowboys are going to go win 10, 11 games next year just because of how great the roster is and his belief in shoddy. He was saying that in April, and now here we are, and they have a chance to win 11 games.

2:02:02Pat McAfee:And it didn't look like that early, and he never once chose to bury them. Never once chose to point anything out. and it's like he could have done that along the way. He's loving his life up there in Wisconsin. Tell him, go to Minnesota. You want to hunt up here? That's right. Hopefully, I know he has friends that have great estates and all that. He should go to one of those high fence farms where you pay 30 grand and a deer just walks up in front of you and says, here you go, shoot me in the head. I don't know if that's necessarily exactly how it goes. Then they process it and they mount the head and you put it above your mantle and there we go.

2:02:33That's not for love of the game.

2:02:34Pat McAfee:That's not how it works. So, I don't think I've heard about these places. If he strikes out again. Like, say he goes out again and he strikes out and he doesn't see anything for six more hours. I'll tell you what I've heard about these places. And some of them here in the United States, you can hunt exotics at these places. Joe? You can go, not Joe. I think he's in jail currently and for the long haul. I saw what they did to Lane's face. I don't know if you saw that. I did. They put him on, because he's the tiger. And he does kind of have the face that could have the. You can see it. Yeah, there's been a lot of good internetting around that.

2:03:03Pat McAfee:And Lane has seen it all. Lane has seen it all and gone in on it all. But there are some of those hunting places where you can hunt some weird shit, you know, from what I've been told. And then there are some of those deer ones that, to your point, they seem to be easier to find, you know. They seem to be easier to find within the places as opposed to out there in a wild Wisconsin, two degrees, and we can't see anything.

2:03:26Cody Campbell:Do you hunt the most dangerous game on any of those places?

2:03:28Pat McAfee:So I watched the pest with John Leguizamo growing up. And as I've continued to grow older, you just assume that that's probably happening somewhere. Yeah, I agree. Especially when, like, Squid Games is happening. Yeah. You're like, wow, this seems like it's a little bit. Big world. A lot of people. Huge world. A lot of land. Big world. A lot of land. A lot of big. Privacy. Hope it doesn't happen. Hope it's not happening, but. If it has to, it has to. I think John Leguizamo had the right angle, you know. He did. He had a lot of good energy and good juice.

2:03:54Cody Campbell:Mm-hmm. Surviving the game. Iced tea. Same deal. Yes. That's good. Man, what a movie. What's wrong with Stone Cold?

2:04:00Pat McAfee:The Marine.

2:04:01Cody Campbell:The Condemned. The Condemned.

2:04:01Pat McAfee:That's jail there, right? Prisoners are sent in?

2:04:03Cody Campbell:Yeah, pretty much. It turns out, you know. Like, that's Stone Cold's a former undercover agent. He's not a prisoner. He just got tied up. But he's there. And he's going to do what he's got to do, sweetheart. And what did he do right now in that particular world? Fucking kill everybody. Really? Take the game out. Is that what he did? Oh, yeah.

2:04:19Pat McAfee:Isn't that kind of what they said Australia was kind of like? Yeah. Yep. Jails were kind of, prisoners were kind of dumped into an island. And then there had to be a decision made. Like, hey, there's people here that are going to want to kill us, so we've got to figure out this together and then figure it out, and then now it's becoming— That's like a story that I've heard about Australia.

2:04:36Cody Campbell:Correct. Yeah, I've never done enough research to actually confirm— because I think the part of the people in jail going to kind of just get dumped in Australia, I believe that is 1 ,000 % true and confirmed. I just don't know if it was then like a free-for-all, like, okay, you guys can kind of just kill each other. Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah, exactly.

2:04:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, we don't know the basis of it. we'll certainly look into it. Australia is very far away. Very, very far away. It is a cool place, though. Like, when you get there, it's a really cool place. Beautiful place. The people, right? Aren't the people awesome? Great accents. Everybody's funny. You know, just no matter what they're saying. With the accent, they're funny. Right. Dirt bikes. You know, my buddy that lives in Australia, he's dirt biking every day. He's skiing out there with hammerhead sharks next to him. Everybody's jacked. That's what I saw. Everybody was jacked. They had some stricter rules on some things, you know, like seatbelts and, like, what food you're allowed to eat and things like that but so it's a little different it is certainly a little bit different and when it comes to that but everybody that i saw and we were there for 11 days everybody was jacked everybody was in shape you know everybody dressed like a movie character too it's like every you can see how people say it's fake because there's like there's emo person out of movie there's rock star person out of there's private school kid out of and then like that's a wave of people walking down the street and guess what the next wave we got a whole new batch of characters.

2:05:57Pat McAfee:We got Instagram model. Skater. We got Skater Boy and it's just like a never ending supply of people just like I don't want to say a diverse group because it is a lot of pretty similar looking individuals actually but there is just like so many it was a really cool. I enjoyed Australia. It was just so far away. Yeah very. So far. That's why they said let's just set a prisoner aside. Exactly. Imagine if Stone Cold was around back there. Fuck

2:06:27Cody Campbell:Guess what There'd be one person in Australia right now

2:06:30Pat McAfee:Have you heard about John Cena's last time Final time

2:06:34Cody Campbell:Yeah I've seen what they've been doing Booking wise and I don't love it

2:06:38Pat McAfee:What do you mean just out of respect Because you're a man who has been on a commercial Dressed as John Cena Correct For the WWE's biggest show of the year WrestleMania You're a noted Cena head

2:06:51Cody Campbell:Yeah exactly I'm a noted Cena head for a long time You know, I would just, I would have liked to seen him go out in a little bit of a better way. You know, not this unceremonious, we're calling John Cena the goat, which, you know, I certainly believe he is one of the goats. But, you know, so that was the plan? Is this guy just going to fucking lose every match for the last two months and then we're going to laud him for what he's done for the business? And I just, I don't love it, you know? Like, war games. Listen, I understand what the WWE is, okay? You just – and I love Dom Mysterio. Shoot, love Dom Mysterio.

2:07:32Cody Campbell:But if we're going to stay in Dom Mysterio and John Cena side by side.

2:07:38Pat McAfee:What are you talking about? You don't think Dirty Dom is supposed to be here? Didn't he get power bombed by a female WWE? Tejada bomb.

2:07:43Cody Campbell:Yeah, the Miguel Tejada bomb named after the former Oakland A's shortstop. That is not what it's named after.

2:07:50Pat McAfee:That is not. Raquel Rodriguez is one of the most powerful people in WWE. She representing Judgment Day. Tejada bombs John Cena. And then Pop Rocks by Roxanne Perez is followed up immediately. And then Liv Morgan actually kicks him into wee-wee. So that's my point.

2:08:06Cody Campbell:Why are we just defecating on this guy's face on the way out and acting like that's okay?

2:08:12Pat McAfee:Well, don't you think you should have known that they were there and that they could potentially get after him? He should have maybe had a little defense.

2:08:17Cody Campbell:Well, first and foremost, how can they see him? Isn't that the whole thing with John Cena? You can't see the guy. You can't see him. So how do they see him so easily? How could she just out of nowhere hit him with a Miguel Tejada bomb? I just don't get that. And I'll be honest. I wanted, and maybe this is the 35-year-old version of me who wants to see, I want fucking Tate coming back out. I want Kurt Angle coming back out. I want some of these people, God rest his soul. You know what? Actually, just for his last match, replay his fucking match with Umaga when the fucking top turnbuckle came down and Cena used that to get him in the SDFU and tap him out.

2:08:57Cody Campbell:I believe Umaga was undefeated at the time. But it's just like, that's the John Cena I want to remember. Not whatever. Oh, and his last one? Oh, great. He's going to wrestle L.A. Knight, maybe.

2:09:10Pat McAfee:No, well, L.A. Knight. No, thanks. L.A. Knight, he's great. They've won a tournament to get to this point. But there's no history there. That's what I'm saying.

2:09:20Cody Campbell:It feels like there's a lack of star power. Yeah, I mean, exactly. I'd rather watch Browns-Titans for eight straight days than any of this shit. By the way, the total for that game is 33.

2:09:29Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, okay. So there's no reason for you all to have planned that. We didn't. We didn't. Yeah. That's a great point.

2:09:37Cody Campbell:That's a great point. Yeah, it is. I don't know.

2:09:40Pat McAfee:But Goonthorne, the most violent champion in the history of the business. Taking on.

2:09:43Cody Campbell:If you want the other side of it, let Bone wobble out here, and then he'll tell you why it's been the greatest run in the history of professional wrestling. What the fuck does that mean? He's the most violent champion. Who gives a fuck? That's dumb. What are we, Ken? I thought he's not. Yeah. You ever watch Kane in the ring? Oh, I forgot he had fire. Stacey Keebler, by the way, did she ever fucking suplex Stone Cold? I don't think so. I'm trying to think back. Most violent champion. Fucking send that guy back to Austria.

2:10:17Pat McAfee:We don't want him. Well, Gunther is a problem. John Cena's last match is next Saturday. It's on Peacock, I do believe. Saturday night's main event. It is live from the nation's capital. Set my alarm quick. Thank you. John Cena's final opponent will either be LA Knight or Gunther. Got to be some surprises, right? I mean, don't you think? Hey, it's WWE.

2:10:39Cody Campbell:It's going to be jam-packed with surprises. We know that. The new era starts tomorrow, bro.

2:10:44Pat McAfee:All right, that was not a real cont.

2:10:45Cody Campbell:Fuck! I like to think that Cena, we saw his end at WrestleMania. We were all there. We saw it. That would have been an awesome way to kind of end the whole thing. And personally, I just don't like what they've been doing. I don't like the booking the last couple months. And I'm not being a hater.

2:11:03Pat McAfee:You are being a little bit of a hater. I'm not. You are being a little bit of a hater. There's a chance we get a chance to chat with John Cena. and we'll certainly ask him all these questions. And we'll ask him, like, hey, you're definitely going to go win an Oscar. Like, he's an incredible actor. He's a really, really good actor. For the Tejada bum?

2:11:21Cody Campbell:I was going to say, he's had to do a lot of acting in the ring because – Don't get me started.

2:11:29Pat McAfee:We already have. No, I know. We're 10 minutes in right now. I know. Wait, Bone likes it though? Bone likes the path he's on? Bone just likes any John Cena we can get, you know. That is, which I would like to say I'm on that team. I am on the team. It's like, hey, we got John Cena. Let's just enjoy that we have John Cena no matter what it is. No matter how it started, no matter how it turned, no matter how it's going, no matter what took place. It's like it's still John Cena doing this thing. You don't want to see your hero get Tejada bombed, though. Well, you better be a little bit more alert then.

2:12:00Pat McAfee:How about that? Did you say Pop Rocks? Yeah. Like the videos on the internet?

2:12:05Cody Campbell:What is that?

2:12:06Pat McAfee:They didn't mix pop with the Pop Rocks.

2:12:08Cody Campbell:Oh, those.

2:12:09Pat McAfee:They had that blow up in the stomach. The K &D?

2:12:10Cody Campbell:Yeah.

2:12:11Pat McAfee:No, it's Roxanne Perez. She hits Code Red. It's called Pop Rocks. Okay. Which, Code Red, by the way, John Cena actually added into his repertoire. So, Pop Rocks kind of, what John Cena, she kind of disrespected, she kind of did one of John Cena's things too, John Cena. You know, but whose thing is it, really? Because everything is kind of somebody else's thing. Yeah. Which is kind of the wrestling business. If you ask AJ Styles, he's actually been tweeting about that. But let's make a pick for tonight's game. How's Cole do it, man? Michael Cole? Yeah, how the fuck does he do it? He's the best.

2:12:45Respect, brother. Michael Cole. Let's suit up for the final match. Yes.

2:12:48Pat McAfee:Well, I guarantee Michael Cole is about to throw fucking 104 on the fucking paint for this one. No doubt.

2:12:56Cody Campbell:It's his goat.

2:12:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, Cole and Cena kind of came up in this business around the same time. you know so like uh and cole and cena used to i believe travel together a lot toss a couple so they are very very tight so what you're about to hear from michael cole michael cole next saturday night on saturday night might be worth the price of admission alone let alone everything that john is gonna do and i assume the show is gonna be spectacular seen a last spectacle well seen it came out i guess on super duper morning america i don't know which one it was one of the morning shows. I appreciate them doing those morning shows, by the way.

2:13:31Pat McAfee:I am a spectator, and I appreciate it. I think Cena said on one of them that I think he's opening the show. Oh, perfect. Yes. What? What? Let's get this thing going, man. There's great movies coming out right now. The rest of the night.

2:13:48Cody Campbell:If it's LA night, he should come out as Max Dupree.

2:13:51Pat McAfee:Yeah, it used to be a good mall management service, but instead, you know, went back to LA night. He's electrifying. I like LA night a lot. I think Gunther's dangerous. I've been in there with him. I've felt him. And if I was John Cena who's staring down an Oscar riddled career right now, I don't know if Gunther would be the last guy I want to step in there with. I don't know if that's who I want to kind of see if we can get one for the giver here.

2:14:15Cody Campbell:He's kind of a one-trick pony.

2:14:17Pat McAfee:Yeah, but it works, though. It's like Mariano Rivera.

2:14:21Cody Campbell:True.

2:14:22Pat McAfee:He would throw that cutter. That's what Gunther's got. This thing's a great equalizer. Jet Li. Boom. You know, you don't fear the man who practices 10 ,000 kicks. You fear the man who practices one kick 10 ,000 times. Well said. John Cena five hours ago posted this, and it kind of puts it all into perspective. Oh, he's already done? That's right. He's calling it before? Oh, no. No, there's no way. He's got to do it. It's next week, and so it's what we're all talking about. Feels like he just said. Picture of a typewriter. It's over already. This is the end. Maybe it's typewriter because he feels old.

2:14:54Cody Campbell:Those are words typed by a typewriter. It also could be the newest script he's received in the mail, where it could be his Oscar-winning film. If your name's on the first page of script or the last page of script, he does a fucking movie.

2:15:06Pat McAfee:I don't think John Cena said that, but that is certainly the guy from Batman. Yeah, Michael Kink. Who has an incredible accent. He's also a part of that one movie where the other English guy tries to save the world. Kingsman. There it is. He's great in that movie as well. Anytime you see him. Now you see me, the magician movie. Yes, he is. That guy's dead? Yeah, he died earlier this year. Holy fuck. He's in a lot of movies. Hell of a run. Oh, yeah.

2:15:28Cody Campbell:He acted right up until he died, pretty much.

2:15:32Pat McAfee:Well, rest in peace, Amon. Thank you for your services to my ears and to the movies. Your voice was spectacular. John Cena, though, actually a good actor, right? Yes. Yeah. Like, that's what we need to make sure he's said. Like, this guy, for shoot, good actor.

2:15:44Cody Campbell:Yeah. Yeah, and he's going to have a lot more opportunities once he's done wrestling.

2:15:49Pat McAfee:But we don't want to see him go to the wrestling business. Hold on. Never been able to see him in the first place. Hold on. There's maybe some discussions on who's dead in the back there. Go ahead, Nick.

2:16:02Cody Campbell:Did you say Michael Caine died? Yeah, he passed away. We talked about this. I was fucking... I'll tell you what. I don't usually do that, but I had to... A couple months ago, right? Let me double check. I think he's still alive. Did I get got? No, we still... I definitely tweeted. We got super sad. Yeah, R.I.P. Michael Caine. Yeah, we got real sad about him. Oh, no.

2:16:23Pat McAfee:Hey, we got some good news. The internet saying he's 92 and there isn't a death time. Thank you, Michael Caine. What a fantastic surprise.

2:16:32Cody Campbell:I've been operating under the assumption that he's been dead the last eight months. And he's not.

2:16:37Pat McAfee:Kind of like the Lions now. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Yeah, this is. I mean, this is really good news. Because I didn't know that until you guys told me here just a few seconds ago. And immediately a bunch of awesome movie roles that aren't going to happen now just kind of disparate. And guess what? They're all back.

2:16:51Cody Campbell:Love it.

2:16:52Pat McAfee:That's great news.

2:16:53Cody Campbell:Great day.

2:16:54Pat McAfee:Great day?

2:16:55Cody Campbell:Yeah.

2:16:55Pat McAfee:Let's make our picks for tonight. Okay. Alright, Cowboys taking on the Lions. Hopefully this clip gets to them. Hey, Michael Cain. Yeah. Oh no, he got divorced. I definitely wouldn't have tweeted that thinking that

2:17:10Cody Campbell:Michael Cain used to never going to act again. I'm looking at it right here. Yeah, that's sad. Like recently? In 1973.

2:17:28It's the anniversary. To get divorced at 91, you must really dislike each other. You find something out of 92.

2:17:38Cody Campbell:Yeah.

2:17:39Pat McAfee:Ah, fuck, I'm not doing it.

2:17:42Cody Campbell:Yeah, there it is. Fucking one hour ago, Variety tweeted. Vin Diesel wheeled Michael Caine out somewhere in a wheelchair. Yeah, he is. He's fucking. To go. Who was trying to kill Michael Caine before he was dead? It wasn't me. No, I fucking moored the man. This is awesome. Yeah, this is great.

2:17:59Pat McAfee:I'm going to watch Batman tonight now. What's Vin Diesel doing? Rock him, sock him, right? Yeah, rock him, sock him, robots. So Michael Caine's in rock him, sock him, robots? Might be. If Diesel does another fucking movie before finishing Fast and Furious, I'll tell you what, Vin, a lot of your fans aren't going to be too fucking happy about it. Him and The Rock are back on Good Graces. I thought they were getting that all figured out.

2:18:18Cody Campbell:Michael Caine ain't doing fucking rock him, sock him, robots. He'll wipe his ass with that script and Vin Diesel presents it to him. This guy's an actor. He ain't doing a fucking movie about some Mattel toys.

2:18:29Pat McAfee:Michael C. maybe 92 says, ah, fuck it. Maybe he says he wants to get in there. People already said I was dead.

2:18:34Cody Campbell:Yeah, I guess. Maybe. I'd like to see, you know, maybe he puts on the cape and cowl and he's Batman. We've already seen him as Alfred. It's true. Is there something to think about? In a wheelchair? Can you do that in a wheelchair? Like a CGI that? I'm sure they can figure it out.

2:18:48Pat McAfee:So many opportunities now that we know he's still alive. We're very thankful, Michael. This is fucking awesome. We are very, very thankful for that. What a great day it's become. It is a great day. All right, let's make our picks. You like Dallas whenever you're getting on the program in the second hour. I've liked Dallas since the first hour, 78 % whenever the show started. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Dad! Cowboys, AP Tone. Tone, can you give us an update, please?

2:19:12Cody Campbell:It's down to 76%, but the big news is that everywhere has gone to three and a half now. That is called reverse line movement.

2:19:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, because with all the money going to the Cowboys, you would think that they would want to sway that thing a little bit differently to get people onto the lines. But instead, a little less money. We don't know what the total money is. A little less amount of the bets going, 76 % as opposed to 78 % at the beginning of the show. But still, a majority of the bets and the money, and they're taking it even further. Sportsbooks are saying, oh, that's cute. Actually, let's get this to 90 % maybe. That scares me a little bit. Does that scare you? It does. Pretty inside baseball. Reverse line move.

2:19:55Pat McAfee:It is a little bit of a reverse psychology. Sometimes.

2:19:59Cody Campbell:Sometimes we give the books a little too much credit as well.

2:20:01Pat McAfee:Yes.

2:20:05Pat McAfee:Sometimes you don't know what the fuck's going to happen. You got to trust your heart. Sometimes you have a feeling. Your gut. And even if 80-some percent of the money thinks the same way you think than 78 % of the people who are normally losers think the same way that you think. That's not 100%. And sportsbooks aren't 100 % against us. No, they're not. So I can very easily say I'm more confident in the Dallas Cowboys at this moment than I am in the Detroit Lions. You've been watching. I like the Detroit Lions. Is this their year? I don't know. Doesn't feel like it, which sucks, and I'm sorry.

2:20:44Dallas Cowboys feels like it wasn't their year.

2:20:47Pat McAfee:They've been playing really fucking good football. Sportsbooks have to have seen that. I don't know why they're seemingly different than what everybody else is. This feels like a little Dookie line here, doesn't it? It does. It does. It does. It does. It does. It does. Big old Dookie. It does. Just had like a bunch of greasy food, pizza. Yeah. Coffee right after. Oh, it's a cup of double coffee, actually. Super espressoed up and then massive Dookie. just that smells fucking terrible that's what this line is right now and there hey j i told you about my 10 wiper oh yeah that was a crazy morning that was a wild dookie this when did you start counting so i use wipes you know and i'm on bus so it can only you know flushing you gotta really kind of careful gotta be careful so i'm counting you that mace raider it's called a mace raider thing that chops your turds up in there i'm sure yeah the thing's really nice i'm sure it does have that so you call your hands down in the tube or is it yeah yeah it's somehow in the somehow in the tank i guess it's called i think it's called something i've heard guys brag about it years ago called this one hey this thing chops the turds up and then it's like luxury i'd assume we got the turd chopper yeah i assume we that i have the task old buddy yeah then you got it i'll ask scott scott misty good people they're good people i will ask if we got the turd chopper.

2:22:12Pat McAfee:But tonight, the dookie chopper. Tonight feels like this line's a little stinky. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? So I can get Dallas at minus three, or plus three and a half? Mm-hmm. I came into this show with that opinion, and I will leave the show with that opinion. And Big Mike, he kind of, he helped me double down on that, and I feel good about his confidence in this Dallas Cowboys team. So, yeah, give me that. Me too. He's nine and three. Don't even need the points. Yeah, three and a half is good, but I'd take him straight up tonight.

2:22:41Cody Campbell:Don't get misconstrued, no. It's not going to be an easy game. Tough place to play.

2:22:47Pat McAfee:Tough. AJ, you can attest to this. It is. What a legend. He texted me and said that, uh, Galileo, my God, I've been humming Queens since the show. He's awesome. He is awesome, man. It is nice getting to know him, and for you getting a chance to re-catch back up with him, I assume. Oh, it's huge. Yeah, it's awesome. I talk to him more now, obviously, on the show and then off the show as well. He's a big fan of the program. He sits there multiple times every show. He's like, I mean, where are we going? What is this? I think it blows his mind just how the show is. That's what makes me laugh, is watch how much fun he is.

2:23:26Pat McAfee:There's about to be a potential McCarthy season here over the next few weeks. As kind of jobs start to kind of open up and potentially who's going to be where. It's normally like six, seven jobs every offseason. Could be more. It could be a little bit less, obviously, but that's normally the turnover. He was one of them this past offseason. It's like, will he want to get back into the ranks? What will it be like? Where would he head to? It's crazy. There's so much to kind of decide, and we're very thankful that he joins us every week. We're also very thankful for Prime putting on a great game tonight.

2:23:52Pat McAfee:Cowboys-Lions, we'll be back tomorrow. AJ, you're traveling out here? Yep, I'll be there. Thank you for doing that, AJ. Yeah, you're heading down to SEC Championship, right? That's right. One versus two here in Indianapolis. That happens all the time. Fuck that. I am excited to get that. There is an energy around the SEC Championship. Obviously, it does have an incredible fan base, incredible tradition, incredible history. So the SEC Championship is a festival of football. It certainly is that. And once we get into that convention center and the show gets rolling, like 10, 11 o 'clock, as it continues to fill up, it is electrifying.

2:24:30Pat McAfee:I'm not going to say it's not electrifying there. but man the hoosiers in indianapolis in the big 10 championship going for that's first ever undefeated i mean there's just so many things and then ohio state obviously being a well-traveled it's like this entire city would be fucking shut down completely i got a whole i got text messages from people that run the city and make decisions that were like hey we're putting together a proposal for you guys to be like and sending pictures i'm like don't please don't please don't please don't send that to me but they were going to shut that the The city was basically going to be shut down for this entire thing.

2:25:06Pat McAfee:And it should be an electrifying environment. Not saying that the SEC championship isn't. Okay, I'm not saying that at all. And obviously, massive game for both teams there. Georgia might be best team in country with the way they've been playing, legitimately. And it feels like they're the SEC's Ohio State right now, even though Ohio State has not lost. Georgia, the way they've been playing, how dominant they've been playing, certainly something. And then Alabama has had to go on a crazy run to kind of see if they can prove themselves to make the playoffs. so it's obviously a great game but like this big 10 one is historic yeah this one is like once first time once once in a generation you can argue yes for especially for the indiana and the hoosiers definitely once in a generation for indiana indianapolis hosts a lot of things a lot of things a lot of championships a lot of college stuff a lot of professional stuff very rarely gets a chance to like host like yes the indiana indiana shit you know like indiana stuff so yeah It's all right.

2:26:02Pat McAfee:Atlanta will be sick. Atlanta will be sick. It'll be fun to get down there. A lot of people watching football these days. That's a good thing. A bad thing. 57.2 million, they said last week. Isn't that insane? 57.2 million people. That's awesome. At the peak. Christmas will be nuts. What are the playoff numbers going to be like for the NFL? I mean, college football playoff numbers and the NFL playoff numbers. That's going to be gigantic. So to go back to what Cody Campbell was kind of talking about with scheduling and all that shit, you know like if we went with Joey McGuire who's coach at Texas Tech who I assume has been a part of this entire thought process with Cody Campbell trying to figure it out he talked about the schedule being something that could be easily controllable them doing moving up college football and then running right into right now being college football playoffs like if right now was college football playoffs as opposed to having college football playoffs during NFL playoffs during days that NFL is playing on Saturday now yeah it's like you could certainly draw a lot more attention and i'm not saying that college football is struggling for ratings it's up and to the right more people are interested than they've ever been second most watched league in sport in the country it's like gigantic but also the way it's set up last year i think people got maybe college football fatigue for sure with how long it ran in the massive break that there was in between games and it's like what are we doing now well now the playoffs are starting here and then this game matters oh this one's on cw it's at the same time as an nfl game it's like how is this what we're doing for the most important college football game.

2:27:27And the semifinals were on Thursday, Friday, and if you remember when the numbers came back, those were much lower than all the other college football playoffs.

2:27:33Pat McAfee:And I don't think a lot of people even knew it was happening. Exactly. It was just a weird setup. So I think this year people will be more prepared for it because obviously it's happened before, but also I think if they were to restructure that schedule and calendar, I think it would... Yeah, they will. They'll be tweaking this thing forever. Hopefully. There's a lot of people saying that what cody campbell's pitch uh we don't need to either focus on we got other that's more important uh from the government the ncaa says well we can't do anything until the government does something and the government's like this why are we we're trying to deal with like world hunger and all that why aren't you guys doing that so that's just a finger pointing contest then you have to get everybody on the same page all the conferences first of all gotta get all the conferences on the same page all the conferences are made up by a bunch of people that aren't on the same page you know presidents ad's all from the individual conferences a lot of coaches and everything i mean you're the guy for the job cody go get him good luck cody put that fucking hat on that's right and go ahead walk out there because he would be the only one really football guy incredible businessman has the backing to be able to keep up but also feels like he can take the shots on the shins you know that is definitely going to come like there's going to be a constant roadblocks in that entire thing because there's going to be people potentially losing out on power and money and anytime you do that there's gonna be people that are gonna want to stop that i mean that is just something that's gonna anytime you're changing the flow of both those things power and money there's gonna be a lot of people who have had both those things for a long time they're gonna be like i don't think so yeah and uh cody's got to deal with all that but go on old man go on we need you we need you i'm happy it's not me yeah coach saving saying it ain't gonna be me all right but if you want some ideas i'll fucking certainly tell you but you're gonna not me all right i'm gonna get out of here you guys are the greatest we appreciate you all so much dookie drops tonight midnight i would say not worth staying up for catch it tomorrow morning catch it tomorrow morning but if you would like to you know appreciate it get it now you would certainly be doing me quite a favor because i guess if people show interest in something there's a chance that maybe that kind of goes around the platform you know so if you want to you know kind of boost it a little bit and once again dookie is the most shallow song we got the most shallow but boy it's fun to call something fucking dookie you know it is a boom bang a little singing in there a little bit of a bop in there i think there's a lot of different content possibilities with this particular song and then hopefully it just leads to uh you know some more songs that are in the can i believe is what they call as we roll into uh hopefully making some bangers for some people or learning about an entirely new business that has been incredibly nice to me thus far so i'm thankful for everything i'm appreciative we're We're back tomorrow, overreacting to tonight.

2:30:18Pat McAfee:Looking ahead to maybe the best slate that we've had all season for the NFL and championship weekend for college. Life is good. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Something nice might change their life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. I appreciate you, boys. I appreciate you. Appreciate you, guys. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.

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