PMS 2.0 1473 - Watt Wednesday, Adam Schefter, Luke Kuechly, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

17:21It was initially over$50 million last year against their cap. It's$32 million this year against their cap, and they still have the best record in the AFC currently. The Jets moved on with a$49 million cap charge If Marin Rodgers, Tua Tungvaloa is going to have a$99 million cap charge if they decide to move on from him. That would be the single largest cap charge in NFL history. And they certainly could spread it out. There are a couple of ways to look at this. They could release him after June 1st. They could see if they wind up trading him in much the way that the Houston Texans once traded Brock Osweiler along with a draft pick to the Cleveland Browns.

18:05I remember the day that that story happened and Bill Polian was on the desk there at ESPN. He's like, that can't be. Nobody ever trades a player and a pick to take on the contract. But these are different times with some larger contracts. And this certainly would be in that category. But clearly Miami is going to be moving forward without Tua one way or another. You don't make the decision to bench him and go with a rookie quarterback in Quinn yours without the idea that you're essentially separating right now. It's just a question of how the relationship officially dissolves and how they move on from him.

18:41But this was the first step in that happening. They have begun the process of moving on from him.

18:48Pat McAfee:Okay, sounds good. Now, tell us where it went wrong. You know, because a couple years ago, they put up 70 on the Denver Broncos. They were the talk of the town for offenses. Tua was all in. He gets a new deal. He immediately goes right to the group of people that can't afford regular tickets, so they go to training camp. Maybe some local sick kids come into training camp and start screaming in their faces, show me the money. Was this the moment where it all went south? Like when? Obviously, he had a couple concussions, which we were all very worried for him. Something went bad, though, because he got worse at football.

19:18Pat McAfee:Like none of us really understand how did it happen, you think? Where did it go wrong? It's hard to pinpoint Again, I think I think the concussions And the injuries Began to play a part in this I think he's played through Some other injuries here But I don't know that he's been fully healthy And I don't know all the injuries that he's been through In the past have taken a toll Look, when Mike McDaniel got hired He came in there and resurrected Resurrected the career Of Tua Tungvalu So much so that they signed him to this contract that now is going to become a major sticking point with this organization.

19:57Somewhere along the way, it just, he didn't get better the way that some people do. And if anything, he seemed to regress.

20:06Pat McAfee:Yes. And now they're at the point where they've decided to bench him for Quinn Ewers. I can't give you a specific moment when it went south, but I think part of it is the injuries taking their toll. part of it is him not improving and regressing, if anything. I don't have that specific answer. I wish I did, Pat. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you. Tell those kids at that high school we said what's up and that they should be proud of their alumni. You and the director of Monday Night Football, is that right? Yeah, Artie Kempner, who's the director of Monday Night Football. We went to the same high school here on Long Island.

20:44I'm literally, I will say this is a bit surreal, driving up the street that I used to go up every single day as a youth, and I haven't been here in a very long time, and about to pull up to my high school, which I haven't been to in a very long time, and we're going to go speak to all the kids here for Alumni Day.

20:59Pat McAfee:Hey, go see those lockers you used to get stuffed in, Schefter. We appreciate you, man. You're the best, Lazy. You've done good, dude. You've done good. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Okay, let's go to you, Dee Butch, obviously South Florida guy, Dolphins fan throughout your childhood and will be for the rest of your life. We talked about Tua and the moving on of him. Six-year quarterback. This isn't like first-year, second-year, third-year. This is a six-year quarterback. And what we saw in primetime obviously wasn't fantastic. We showed a couple of the lowlights there. Him taking sacks when like a third-year quarterback, second-year quarterback you would hope would not take sacks.

21:32Pat McAfee:Him knowing what a defensive coverage was, what their offense was, and just throwing a pick directly to a guy. He should know that that guy is going to drop into that particular coverage because there's nobody to threaten him in the flat. We've talked about this all. like amateur like mistakes out of a quarterback in his six year who's already been paid now concussions aside because there is a chance that that affects everything okay uh obviously that's your brain and big part of being quarterback is thinking and critical analysis and decision making and all that stuff so we can i guess assume that that potentially had an effect on it but for sure yeah after they lose prime time game he was the last one on the field i mean he was the last person on the field like celebrating i saw him there's a video of him and jalen ramsey talking and they're like the final two people almost in the entire stadium having a good time catching up old teammates.

22:15Pat McAfee:I like that these teammates like each other. But a quarterback for a team in prime time that just got kicked out of the playoffs, they were potentially going to go to the playoffs, being the last one off the field, it's like, that's not what you want your quarterback to look like. What he was doing on the field, that's not what you want your NFL quarterback to look like. So what happened from year 3-4 to year 6? Is that on coaching? Is that on Tua? Is that on the building? How do we kind of judge this fall from grace that Tua Tongvaloa has because it felt like he was on an actual fast track to maybe a good legacy whenever McDaniel got there.

22:47Pat McAfee:And then now here we're like, well, he's gone. It's over in Miami.

22:49Adam Schefter:It's a wild thing. This post-game stuff is kind of the icing on the cake. And like you said, you mentioned players catch up all the time. You saw Russell Douglas and A-Rod catch up real quick after the game. And that happens. I don't expect him to go into a deep, dark hole after every loss. But as a quarterback, as the face of the franchise, after a loss like that that have ended your playoff hopes, you can't be on the field like this chumming up. We've seen former, I want to say Burrow and Allen maybe a couple weeks ago, like just in the tunnel, catching up. That's kind of how you do it, kind of away from the cameras.

23:18Adam Schefter:But on the field, we're not that far removed from him being a very good player. Like he was the passing rating leader in 2022. 2023 led the league in yards. And then 2024, just last year, he led the league in completion percentage. But when you're watching the games and you're watching them play, It's like he's doing amateur stuff in moments where you can't do, you can't put your team in that position. Mike McDaniel, he did a great job resurrecting his career. And then this team, this was a team that we all wrote off. We were all talking about Mike McDaniel being fired at midseason, him being on the hot seat.

23:51Adam Schefter:And then you saw this whole team collectively, even after trading some of their best pieces, fight and then for him to go down like this is ugly, it's tough. But Tua still got 54 guaranteed next year. So they got to figure that part out. Well, that's what I'm saying.

24:04Pat McAfee:It looks like he doesn't really – like after the game thing, it was like, does this guy even care? Does this guy even care? And then obviously we've talked about – You never want that question for your quarterback. Ever. For your franchise quarterback who's getting paid, like does this guy even care? And the team, like when he walks in a locker room, there has to be some people in that locker room that care. Somebody cares about the Miami Dolphins in that locker room.

24:23Adam Schefter:I would say a lot of people. Based on how they've played this last month or so, their winning streak and even the games before that when they were competing, I would say a lot of those people care. The coaches and the players alike. So it's tough to keep – well, it's not tough. You're a professional, so you've got to show up and play, you know, 17 games. But they competed their ass off week in and week out. And it wasn't just the play. Like, we remember throughout the weeks, like, it seemed like every post game when he was at the podium, he was saying some dumb shit or some wild shit or throwing somebody in the bus.

24:51Adam Schefter:So it's just been a wild ride. Well, that's the problem. Like, he was throwing people under the bus. And they lost some players for sure. They traded Jalen Phillips, who's a pro bowler, Christian Wilkins. They didn't re-sign him, which looking back, who knows. But Teron Armstead starting left tackle. They paid$100-plus million. Jalen Ramsey gets traded. Johnny Smith gets traded. There were multiple different things. But when McDaniel flew over, I still remember McDaniel on the private plane FaceTiming Tua saying, hey, we're going to build this thing around you. This is your team. He watched the 500 hours of Tua throwing the ball.

25:22He was handed the keys. Now, the whole entire money thing, that's another aspect of this. Ownership's on board. They're also done with all his shit. because they're giving him all that money. But it's year six. Look at the other quarterbacks in his draft class and what they're doing between Burrow, who, you know, Boohoo Burrow, what are you going to do? Hopefully he figures that out. But Herbert in the Chargers, they figured it out once they got the right coach in there. And then Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has been to two Super Bowls and he's won a Super Bowl. And you look at how Jalen Hurts talks on the podium and acts after losses.

25:53You look at how Burrow handles it. You look at Justin Herbert, who handles it maybe too much aggressively. Maybe he needs to calm down, take a page out of Tua's book instead and Tua take a page out of his book, but it is a bummer, but it's done in Miami. Maybe he gets a chance. Do you guys think a team is risking it on him?

26:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's kind of the interesting point. A.Q. Shipley, we know in this league there's an opportunity for anybody, basically, and a lot of buildings think it happened like that there. It won't happen like that here. We've seen Tua have success. I referenced it earlier. They hung 70 on Denver. They were the talk of the NFL, changing what offenses are. That's why they go and pay Tyreek Hill, because of how impressive they wanted that offense to be, how incredible they wanted that offense to be. It was almost the greatest show on turf again. Like that is what the Miami Dolphins were just a few years ago.

26:36Pat McAfee:Did defenses catch up and they weren't able to adjust? Is it on scheme? Is it on strategy? And do you think another team will take a shot on Tua? Tua would be agreeing that he's a backup. This would be like a Russell Wilson type situation where he gets a million dollars. Or do you think there's a team that will go in on Tua being their starter somewhere, AQ? Somebody will definitely take a chance on him. I think I'll start with that. And I think when you look at what he's done, He's obviously taken that team to the postseason twice. He's been very good. Completion percentage, quarterback rating, all that stuff.

27:03But I always lean back on the trenches. And Connor kind of alluded to it already with Taron Armstead. But they also lost Robert Hunt. Robert Hunt was one of the best guards in football. And there's a reason he got paid when he went to Carolina. Got paid a boatload of money. And when you lose him and you lose Taron Armstead and all of a sudden, you don't have the same protection up front. You can't run the ball quite like you used to. You can't have the protection and get him down the field because that entire offense is timing throws. I think that that's kind of where it went wrong but he will definitely get another chance he's a first round pick, a top five pick they always get a million chances

27:34Pat McAfee:well he won one honestly this looks like a dude that after the game thing and then some of those decisions and then how the season's gone I guess I shouldn't have said that I apologize, I didn't mean to put anybody in a position it's like does this guy have a lulled ball still? and you can see why he maybe wouldn't you listed all the players that got traded away All their good players kind of left the team before the season started. Good players. I'm sorry. They got a lot of good players. All their star players were either traded out of town or moved along from this Miami Dolphins. They bring Minka Fitzpatrick back.

28:06Pat McAfee:But it was like this team's a seller before the season even starts. Like what is their expectation? And then they get through it, and then they're lurking, and they're lurking, and they're lurking. And it's like it wasn't because of Tua while they were lurking. The offense had changed completely into a run first type thing. And then after the loss and being kicked out of the playoffs with how he hands her after, I just, does this guy love Ball still? And would that be the first question I guess any building would be asking him? And if he was offered a backup role somewhere, is that something the two would want to be?

28:33Pat McAfee:Or he's getting$54 million, hey, yeah, I'll do whatever. I'll basically do whatever.

28:39Adam Schefter:It's a good situation to, you know, reflect and figure it out. You're still getting 54 coming your way. I think up until this point, I don't think anybody would argue that he loves football. We saw him looking like he was damn near dead on the football field. Come back. A lot of people were talking, saying, hey, he shouldn't come back. Go enjoy your family. When you are benched or you suffer a major injury and you have your – he's been a face of a franchise. When you have that taken away from you, I'm sure he'll love and appreciate it even more. But like AQ said, I'm on the same page. He'll definitely get an opportunity.

29:13Adam Schefter:Everything that I've seen, I think he still loves the game of football. And if we look around the league every year, we see, we always talk about the quarterback development issue in the NFL, how there just aren't enough good quarterbacks in the NFL. So there will be another team that will take a shot. His skill set is limited when you're talking about quarterbacks that are making the money that he's making. I don't think he'll see another contract like this. I hope I'm wrong. But, you know, he doesn't have the arm strength. He doesn't have the size, the mobility, and those things that we talk about top-tier elite quarterbacks.

29:41Adam Schefter:But I think he will have the opportunity.

29:42Pat McAfee:Him with Kevin O 'Connell. I don't want that for K.O. State. For a$1 million contract, just like Russell Wilson, to a tongue of a low. Now, nine's coming into his own. We know a nine's coming into his own. But to a tongue of a low in an offensive system where he doesn't, hey, you just drop back, and this is where you got to put the ball. That was very much what he was with McDaniel. So maybe the offense, too, McDaniel, the way he was drawing it up, wasn't the same going forward where guys weren't as wide-ass open or as much timing routes because defense caught up to the offenses. Joining us now is Amanda might be able to tell us a little bit more, actually.

30:14Pat McAfee:This dude played eight years in the NFL. Seven-time All-Pro, seven-time Pro Bowler. Hall of Fame nom already. Going to go into the Hall of Fame. Eight years he played. He's the type of human who walks around, he's the smartest human in any room in our real world. He would be one of the representatives that the NFL would put up for if there was a smart human contest and we had to be represented. This dude would be one of the first ones that we send out there. Then he puts on his pads. okay flip switch complete lunatic psycho maniac one of the greatest of all time and oh yeah the smarts that he has he was able to do it in ball two he knew what everybody was going to do all the time which leads to an alt cast called monday night football playbook uh playbook with next gen stats december 22nd an nfl data cast aimed at avid fans which will complement monday night football and espn nfl postseason slate so much like the we got to see uh like uh kind of a trailer a teaser or what it would be.

31:13Pat McAfee:So just like on Thursday night, how they have the analytics cast where they have circles and percentages and all that stuff, ESPN is going to provide that. Shout out to Adrenaline, which Sean Lee, former Dallas Cowboys linebacker and Penn State linebacker, also Western Pennsylvania soccer star growing up from Upper St. Clair in Pittsburgh. He's one of the owners of a company called Adrenaline, which has an AI model that backs with football players, with analytics, with stats and everything to be a good predictionary type situation. So they're going to team up Sean Lee, Luke Keekly, analytics, and Monday Night Football.

31:47Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah, and Dan Orlovsky. Boom. Sign me up. I think it's going to be good. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Keekly. Yeah. I think it's going to be good, Luke. This seems in theory, and I know you big brain people operate in theory a lot, but in theory, this seems to be an incredible thing. I saw you got to do a little bit of a test run. I know you call games for Carolina on a rotational basis. How excited are you for this, And what do you think people are going to learn from watching alongside you, Dano, and Field Yates, Luke? Yeah, I think it's a really cool opportunity. I think it shows you a lot about, you know, what guys are thinking.

32:22When DK Metcalf lines up at number three, the three-position wide receiver, he's lined up on a linebacker, his percentage of catch is going to go way up because the matchup on the linebacker is better. And then we can just give reasons why. Why does DK Metcalf line up there? Why does Johnnie Smith line up out wide at the number one position rather than in a traditional tight end location? We're going to try to explain a lot of the why. The next couple weeks will be five games that we'll do, but the reason is why. Why do they line up in this formation? Why do they line up in this defensive set?

32:55Why this personnel group? I think a lot is made out of the 13 personnel stuff this year. A lot of guys have talked about why they line up in base versus nickel. I think it's going to be a really unique opportunity for us to explain why coaches do certain things and why certain players line up in particular positions.

33:12Pat McAfee:I'm going to watch it, steal your shit, act like it's my own. I appreciate you. That should be an absolute blast. I think that is what the goal would be for every football fan and football consumer to get smarter about the game that we all love. And hearing from you will certainly be a beautiful piece of it. Let's talk about the game that you did there with the Dolphins and Tua. We just asked, and obviously your opinion is certainly warranted in this particular conversation. Tua put up 70 points against the Denver Broncos with that McDaniel offense whenever he goes down there. They were using late motions, late shifts.

33:45Pat McAfee:They were doing a lot of that stuff, kind of innovated, changed the game. Do you think defensive coordinators caught up to them? Do you think Tua just wasn't as sharp as he used to be? Why do you think we saw a regression in performance, clearly, by McDaniel and Tua down there in Miami? and him getting benched obviously is the end of an era of Tua in Miami. What do you think the future potentially looks like for him, Luke? So I think you start with how and why we got to this point in Miami, and then what do you think the future looks like for Tua, Luke? I think it was certainly the production wasn't there.

34:16Obviously, the Tyreek injury hurt them. Robert Hunt coming to Carolina. I know you guys already referenced that. Same thing with Armstead. The pieces that they've had in the past aren't there how they used to be. You know, they kind of rely on Jalen Waddell. AJ is obviously a really good running back. But I think a little bit is people have caught up to the motions a little bit, all the pre-snap shifts, all the pre-snap motions. That was all very new in the way they did it. But as people see more of it and the communication on the defensive side of the ball catches up, it becomes a little bit easier.

34:48But, you know, I think you guys kind of nailed it a little bit. You watched two after the game. It's like, man, like how much, how serious is he's on there, you know, talking with Jalen Ramsey. It's like, man, just get in the locker room, be with the guy. If you need to talk to Jalen, you can do it behind the scenes. But like you said, it's the end of an era. They had a great run there. But like you said, all first-round picks are going to get another opportunity. He's produced at a high level in the past, and there's nothing to say that he can't do it again.

35:16Pat McAfee:Yeah, what was it about him that made him a great player? His accuracy, his anticipation whenever they were humming? What do you think it was? And for you, as a guy that was on defense side, what are the most important things a quarterback to have that's most lethal against a defense? Well, I think he knew where the ball needed to go very quickly and his accuracy was there. And I think as people kind of cut up to it and they lost some of the vertical presence from Tyreek, you know, when you have those two guys that can burn Tyreek and Jalen Waddell, it puts a lot of stress on defense. But now when you only have one vertical threat to worry about, the game changes a little bit.

35:50But I think what allowed him to be successful is he understood that offense. He knew where the ball needed to go. He played with great accuracy, anticipation, and just hasn't quite been the same this year.

35:59Pat McAfee:Okay, let's move away from just Tua in Miami, even though that's huge news. I mean, he was the number five overall pick to the Miami Dolphins, obviously coming out of Alabama, a lot of success. Mike McDaniel got hired there to make Tua great just a couple years ago. They're going to take on the biggest dead cap in the history of the NFL if they decide to cut Tua, which we all assume will happen. Good luck to him in the future. We can't wait to see what's next for all parties there. Speaking of the future, Carolina Panthers aren't ass. Hey, that's good news, right, Luke? Don't we think that's good news that they're not ass?

36:29Pat McAfee:Like, why do you think that is? Why do you think that is the case? It feels like the vibes around the whole team vastly different than it was just two years ago. Is it as easy as bringing in Morgan and Canales? What do you think you felt down there with this Panthers team? Well, I think they've been very particular in how they've built the team, right? So Bryce is rookie year. He got sacked like 53 times. So all right, what are we going to do? We've got to address the offensive line. We bring in Damian Lewis and Robert Hunt in free agency. We have Austin Corbett, and then we have two guys we drafted at both tackles.

37:02So in one offseason, they fixed the offensive line. Last year, we played really well up front. We've had some injuries. And then last year, the issue was we're not very good on defense. We struggle up front. We don't have a ton of depth. So what do they do? You know, Derek Brown comes back. obviously from injury they bring in Tershawn Wharton they bring in Bobby Brown they draft some guys in the printer Nick Scorton and Prince Lee Umani Allen who's a Ole Miss guy so we we have a combination of free agency and then draft draft picks and I think the one guy that's helped us a ton has been Trayvon Merrig we brought him over from the Raiders he's he's able to do a little bit of everything he can line up as a safety he can line up at the nickel position he can line up that Will linebacker, he gives us a ton of versatility on the defensive side of the ball.

37:47So I think Dan and Dave have done a really good job of saying, hey, we need to control up front. So first offseason, we go draft offensive line, bring offensive linemen in a free agency. Year two, we take care of the defense. And then year three, I think, is where they are really expecting to kind of take off.

38:04Pat McAfee:Do you know the rest of the 53-man roster? And I'd like to hear everything about them, please. Could you? We've got good young players everywhere. And a lot of it is just you've got to grow with these young guys, right? You know, on the offense side of the ball at the skill position, we've got JT Sanders, second-year tight end. Jalen Coker is our slot guy we brought in. He's an undrafted free agent, but great size and catch radius year two. You know, Leggett, year two. Our first-round pick, T-Mac, great player, year one. So it's a lot of that at that skill position. It's just young guys, and you've got to play with young guys when you have them, and sometimes they're great.

38:42Sometimes you have those young mistakes, but as overall our young guys at skill position are great dudes, they play really hard and they're going to continue to learn.

38:51Pat McAfee:And they cook your ass. It'd be a milk check every single time with this guy right here. That's who they're looking for out there, Luke. Canales seems to have a good brain down there for the offensive system with Bryce Young. Go ahead, D-Butt.

39:01Adam Schefter:Yeah, Luke, it's a lot of great brains right now on offense around the league. McVay, Ben Johnson, Shanahan. In your opinion, what's like the toughest offense to face right now? What makes like a great play call in your opinion? I think the ability to set plays up, right? So they're going to show you a look. They're going to have two or three run plays off that look, and they're going to have two or three pass plays off that look. And I think, you know, there's the Shanahan, McVay, that pre-snap motion, that pre-snap shift, I think is really good. And just a good example of that is, you know, McVay will line up or Shanahan will line up Kittle on one side of the offensive line and then line up huge check on the other side of the offense line.

39:41And those guys are kind of interchangeable. So there's really no run tell. There's no pass tell. They can check it at the line of scrimmage. And then they start shifting and motioning. And it goes from two by two to three by one pre-snap. And then on the snap, there's a guy coming back across the formation. So they're going to give you so many looks pre-snap. They're going to shift guys. They're going to move guys as the ball gets snapped. And all that does to the defense is it gets you moving sideways pre-snap. It gets your communication off. Maybe it messes with safety rotation. And then the ball gets snapped.

40:12Your feet aren't set. You're not where you need to be. Your eyes are in the wrong spot. So then that half second that it takes you to get to where you need to be, they've got angles on you in the run game. Kittles run past you. They just do a great job of window dressing and showing you stuff. And then, boom, snap the ball, and it's on you right now.

40:29Pat McAfee:Okay, so let's continue this conversation about what you just basically alluded to there. You go from two by two to three by one. So you close, close, close, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Then quarterbacks also apple, apple to the second play into the third different formation that they were in. But you were a little bit different on defensive side. Go ahead, AQ. Yeah, Luke, I remember game planning for you when you were in Carolina, and it was always when you guys would go double A gap, we would always have to like dummy point just to try and get you off because you were so good at switching the blitzes, understanding the protection and getting the right check up.

41:03How much power and how much freedom did you have when you were doing that? or was that more part of the call and part of the game plan? A lot of it was just part of what we were trying to do. And I think Sean McDermott was our coordinator for a long time in Carolina. He did a really good job of saying, hey, what do you guys like doing? What do you feel comfortable with? And then he'd go into the game and say, hey, what are you guys seeing and hearing on the field? And then we were able to kind of switch stuff up during the game based on what we saw. Thomas Davis was really good at it too. So we had our set rules, and then inside of those rules, we had the ability to try to figure out, hey, if we're double mugged and the center comes to me, Thomas, you take over the blitz, right?

41:44Then it could be a one-on-one on the running back. Boom. If they turn to Thomas, then Luke, you go blitz and have a one-on-one at the running back. So we were just always trying to find ways within the defense, within the system to find the best opportunity to create an advantage for us.

41:59Pat McAfee:Was there anybody that you knew inside and out and you just couldn't give away that you knew them inside and out? Like, you almost know it too good. We don't want them to know that we know it too good. So is there a couple plays where maybe you're like, oh, you got me on that one. Like, you kind of do there early in the game. Like, how did you play once you got a really good beat on somebody, which in our eyes, in the way you are talked about by literally everybody, is you had a good beat on everybody. But is there anybody that you had, like, locked in very early that you didn't want to give away, if that makes sense or not, almost play poker with?

42:32Yeah, the most difficult group was always the Saints with Breeze and Sean Payton because my whole time in Carolina, all eight years, it was Drew Breeze and Sean Payton. So they knew us, we knew them. Our system on defense, we had three coordinators, McDermott left and then Steve Wilkes went to Arizona and then we had Eric Washington my last year. Our system was very similar year in and year out. Their system was very similar year in and year out. So it was always within that game, you were always thinking, why are they showing me this look right now? What is this look meant to show me that, you know, and then they're going to come back to it in the second half and run something off of it.

43:09So when we'd come to the sideline, we'd be like, all right, this is the formation. This is the look. This is the play that they ran. And then you kind of had to look at it from their perspective, an offensive perspective, and say, hey, what else can they do from this set that would give us issues? So that was kind of always the game within the game of, all right, this is what it looked like in the first quarter. This is what it's going to look like in the second quarter. From their perspective, where else can they attack us? And that's kind of what we looked at.

43:35Pat McAfee:How about Peyton Manning told Ray Lewis that they had 12? It's like one of the – it's a legendary clip where he's like, you got 12, Ray. You got 12, Ray. You got 12. And you see Ray like calls the timeout and they actually do have 12 or whatever. You know, and Peyton Ray obviously played against each other a lot. They have a lot of respect for each other. And I don't know why Peyton told him at that point, other than just maybe do shit talk Ray that he – Alpha move. Hey, I am in there. But for you, whenever it came to understanding what the other team was going to do, and when – it was that film study.

44:09Pat McAfee:You talked about it being live in there. And is there anybody that you felt bad for? Was there anybody that after the game you were like, hey, you guys, literally, the most predictable team in the history of football. Like, you need to maybe work on some stuff in that entire thing. Did anybody ever ask you about that? Like, hey, what are our giveaways to you? Would you ever give that up? Like, can you go behind the scenes a little bit as being known as the Nostradamus of football and how offensive teams would treat a relationship with you? Yeah, I think I always felt like in Carolina, our coaches did a great job of preparation.

44:42Hey, these are top run formations. These are top sets. This is where they're trying to get to. and then we would always talk about within our defense what stresses us where are the natural stressors are they that that we have in our defense and played a lot of you know cover three single high defense we brought very some slot pressures where are the issues in that defense so you'd always have that in the back of your mind and then the the film study to me was a huge advantage you guys know how it is you always look to find an advantage before the game starts and And for me, the film study was something that I really enjoyed.

45:17And if you could steal three or four plays during a game just based on what you've watched, I think it's super helpful. And then also, the more you watch in the game, you know, in the NFL, the more you get a feel for how offenses are trying to attack teams. And that kind of carries over from, say, we're playing Shanahan one week, and then we go play, you know, McVay, and they're the same kind of a defense. where did Shanahan give us issues because you know McVay went and watched that tape and he's going to have something that's similar to that so I think we did a great job in the meeting rooms with the coaches we took practice very seriously we wanted to get things right we had a bunch of older guys on our team that loved practice and loved doing things right and then we transition it to the film room after practice and you kind of put all three of those together and you roll it out for the game and you feel pretty good about it.

46:10Pat McAfee:December 22nd, Monday Night Football Playbook with NextGenStats. Luke Keekly will be live in real time telling you exactly what every other team's going to do alongside an AI model that was one of the founders is Sean Lee, former NFL linebacker, and he's going to make a bazillion dollars off of this. I mean, if he's in the middle of an AI company that is now sponsoring a Monday Night Football simul. Congrats, Sean. Sean, congratulations to you as well. You going to be calling out plays, Luke? Yeah, how is that going to go? That's what's going to be exciting. I think a lot of it will be – You still got it, Luke?

46:49Pat McAfee:Do you still got it or no? I guess we got to tune in next week and see what's going on. It'll be fun. I think I'm looking forward to most is I'll talk defensive perspective and then Orlovsky will have his side and we'll kind of – I'm sure there's going to be some back and forth on, hey, this is what Dan sees. This is what I see. Hey, it's third and seven in the minus side of the field. What's the defensive perspective here? Everyone talks about, Pat, you know about this. On the plus side of the field, are we trying to bump a team at a field goal range? What's the approach? Is third and seven blitz package different than a third and three blitz package?

47:26I think that's all stuff that we're going to try to figure out and talk about during the game.

47:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. And Dan Orlovsky needs to tighten up here over the next couple of days. Yeah. What's today's date? December 17th. This is on the 20th. This is Monday night. Today's ready. He needs to be. I mean, there's a chance you get exposed out there, Dan Orlovsky. You got Luke Kuechly on the other side. I mean, there is a chance. He's got an AI model working against him potentially and a human AI in Luke Kuechly. Dan Orlovsky's the only non-AI out there. Field Eights is fantasy football AI, right? Luke Kuechly is defensive football AI, right, I think, if we were to get – and an actual AI model founded by Sean Lee.

48:03Pat McAfee:Okay, so... We got Solian Wazowski-Orolowski coming in. Exactly. We were just doing Fun Day Monsters, Inc. last week. Dan!

48:10Adam Schefter:Frange, baby.

48:11Pat McAfee:Dan, tighten it up, Dan. Good luck, Dan. Tighten it up, Dan. We need you out there. Dan might also need to be speaking to the humans that are watching that that aren't specifically dialed in to every single nose about number three in the tray over there. But I am excited to kind of learn a lot more about ball, especially through your eyes. We're all such massive fans of yours. And obviously your defense was a massive piece of making it to the Super Bowl that year. Feels like the cyclality, word, you would tell me, I don't know, Boston College guy, the cyclality and the cyclicalness and the cyclical nature of football.

48:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, you got it. Just use that in the fucking show. It feels like we have come back to a very physical style and maybe defense. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Luke, as we've been looking at the playoff picture over the last several weeks, it's become very apparent that there's maybe like four teams on both the NFC and AFC who could win the Super Bowl. Pause. Hold on one second. Put it up, please. Put it up. You can use it, buddy. Boo. Okay, you can use it. Thank you. It's a word. Go ahead, Ty. And like all eight of those teams, they all have unbelievable defenses. And we had Bruce Arians on yesterday and asked him that question.

49:21and he basically said, like, that's important, but if you don't have a quarterback who can score 30 points a game in the playoffs, it doesn't mean shit. You're not going to win a Super Bowl. But would you be surprised if we're going back to that, like, maybe, you know, like a 2000 Ravens where if you have a truly elite defense and it's the best part of your team, then you don't necessarily need, like, a Josh Allen or one of those top five QBs in order to win a Super Bowl? Well, I think if you talk to anybody in the AFC, the last team that they want to play right now is the Houston Texans. I mean, that defense has played extremely well.

49:52D 'Amico has those guys rolling. And I think they're going to keep getting better on offense. CJ Stroud probably hasn't had the year that he's wanted, but they're big. They can run. Nico Collins is a really good football player. So I think the defenses certainly play a role in this. But I think, you know, I don't disagree. I think having guys like Josh Allen always gives you an opportunity to win games. But on that AFC, you've got the Broncos and you've got the Texans. those defenses are really daggone good.

50:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, here's what the current playoff picture looks like. And to your point about the Houston Texans, they could be the 7th seed. They could end up AFC South champion. I mean, there's a chance they have to take on anybody. But if it's Patriots-Texans, obviously Drake May and the Patriots have been successful. Travion Henderson has done his thing. But the Houston Texans make everybody's offense look like ass. They literally bring the boo birds out every single time they are playing in somebody else's stadium because of how great they are. So if you have an elite quarterback, I guess that's the only way you can really beat them, like Josh Allen just did coming back from being down 21.

50:54Pat McAfee:So I guess Bruce Arian's point is valid, but it used to be like you just need a defense that's able to get a stop whenever you need it. Now it feels like some of these defenses are full game, pounding, lower score type games. Is that what the playoffs look like? I don't know. I'll be excited to see what the fan reaction will be if it is a defensive dominant run to the Super Bowl for any of these squads. We can't wait to watch it. Good representatives in the AFC and the NFC. Hey, we are in a good place when it comes to the ball. Up and to the right, everything. And that starts tomorrow night. Thursday night football, Rams and Seahawks.

51:29Pat McAfee:And then Monday night, Colts versus Niners. And that will have a playbook with next-gen stats available alongside of it with Luke Keighley's big-ass brain breaking it all down.

51:39Adam Schefter:Philip Rivers? Yeah.

51:41Pat McAfee:Luke, you think Phil Rivers is going to be predictable, Luke? Yeah, fucking right. Okay, good luck. You might get it all wrong out there, brother. Okay? You might have no shot. We'll have it on in the suite. We will have it audio all the way up so we sound smart whenever we're watching. And I'll be excited for you to continue to add to this world of analytics while also using ball. Now, on that point, last question. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Luke, from Massachusetts. Last time I went to a BC football game, you were playing on the field. Thank you for your service, and thank you for kind of showing me I will never be successful at playing college football because of how good you were.

52:15But looking at the analytics and the stats, you know, this is what your Monday Night Football is centered around. How do you feel about NFL coaches kind of centering their decision making around statistics? It feels like it's going to be part of football no matter what. Analytics, you know, they do help, but sometimes they hurt you more than you help you. How do you feel about that entire thing really with coaches using it to decide whether to go for fourth down, to punt the ball, those types of things? well I think I think the advantage is when you trust the numbers if you're going to be an analytics guy the best way to be is to say hey every time it says go we go every time it says don't go we don't go I think when you get in trouble is when you're like you get emotion gets involved into the decision and you say hey it's a it's a strong strong go for it hey we're not feeling it the momentum's not there our guys aren't rolling in the right direction I think in order to be successful over time using the analytics and that's ultimately the goal of why you use analytics it's not for the isolated time it's for hey over the course of the season if we listen to what the numbers are going to say we're going to have an advantage over teams that don't that's the best way to do it and the worst way to do it is to kind of pick and choose and get emotional and when you get emotional things things don't work out and the models don't work the way they're supposed to.

53:34Adam Schefter:Oh, no. I think the numbers, I think they got Luke. That doesn't sound like Luke. No, he's got Olsen. No, he's got Olsen. It's the play.

53:41Pat McAfee:It's him and Greg versus JJ versus football. You know, I mean, we don't love it. You know, he's doing an analytics now show.

53:50Adam Schefter:Sounds like Blackjack.

53:51Pat McAfee:This guy hates ball. Hey, don't forget ball, Luke. Please don't forget that these are humans. I know you're not one. It's still ball. You asked me the question about analytics and you just got to, you got to trust it. If you're an analytics guy, you got to trust it and take the emotion out of it didn't say when i coached seventh and eighth grade football that's how we do we we lean a little bit more into emotion but for the they were going coming back full circle yeah push comes to shove we know what you'll do yeah whatever you need to win uh with your big brain i need you to help me here and it doesn't look like you eat any of these last night the only sweets are available at my house was this box chocolates i went over for three i went oh for three and a lot of people tell me you need to look at the legend to know what they are there was no legend on this box okay this was an actual box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get i want oh for three the first three all three ass ones you know that raspberry one that's in there some other ass one some other ass one which one would you go with next here luke just using your brain and ability to predict things if you had to look at this particular box of chocolates reading the legends like reading instructions you just you don't do it you just go in there and dig in and find the one that looks the best i mean the first one that grabs my eye is that one with the white icing on top of it The drizzle or the sprinkle?

55:04The drizzle one. That one looks good to me. It looks like it would have a little crunch. It might have a caramel filling on the inside. That one looks pretty safe to me. That one's not caramel, Luke. Yeah, it might be cooking. Come on, Reed, Luke. Luke, you have watched film, Luke. You don't eat sweets, dude. We appreciate you. We'll see you on Monday night.

55:18Pat McAfee:We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you for your service to Ball. You're the man. Thanks, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, Luke Kuechly. Yeah, Luke. That drizzle one has the soft inside cream that's good. That's probably the fourth worst one in that thing. Yeah, he's never eaten out of one of those boxes before because in the, I don't know, 100 years they've been doing that. That one with the white drizzle on top has never had caramel inside of it once. Yeah, and I didn't select it because I knew there was probably some ass in there. But I'm going to say they're disguising these ones pretty good now.

55:46Pat McAfee:I thought I had the peanut one. Peanut cluster? Multiple times. And it was something vastly different. I'm like, wow. I want a couple of those. Nightmare. So then I go to the next one. Let me go ahead and get this one. Raspberry inside. That did not. You used to look different. Those ones are deceiving. If you don't have the legend, those will – because those sometimes do look like they have caramel in the center. 0 for 3. That's bad. That's tough. That's tough. Yeah, put the top back on. Done with this thing. See you tomorrow.

56:13Adam Schefter:Yeah, that's why I hate the assortment of things. I hate random shit. I like to know exactly what I'm getting. I want 12 of the same thing. I want Reese's.

56:19Pat McAfee:Boom. That's what I want. But I want to let you know, the reality of the situation was I had that thing staring at me. And I opened it, and boy, I did one of these. blew the new healer dog running into my leg. I'm trying to figure this thing out. Please sit. I'll give you one. Can't. This thing probably could just eat that whole thing of chocolate and survive. This thing's a house horse. It's out of rage. But he was laughing at me too. Gave him a couple, as I was in the middle of it. I'm like, you need to get off my ass. Dogs still can't eat chocolate? No. No, never. We got to evolve. It's like the Achilles.

56:53Pat McAfee:It's the Achilles for dogs. Give him a chip. Even if this thing's a horse, which it clearly is. both

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57:49Pat McAfee:Football! He's awesome. And week 16 of the NFL season kicks off tomorrow as the NFC West will be on showcases the Los Angeles Rams with Matthew Stafford. MVP at the age of 39, 40 years old. Good for him. Potentially. Leading a Rams team that could be the number one seed. Leading a Rams team that could win another Super Bowl. Leading a Rams team that was supposed to be in the middle of a turnover. Heading up to Seattle to take on a brand new Seahawks culture. brought to it by McDonnell. I'm sorry, not McDonnell. McDonnell just fired his quarterback. McDonnell up there in Seattle with Sam Darnold leading the way on the offensive side with a run game and a defense that is obviously incredible.

58:31Pat McAfee:Seattle in the 12s will be on display. 5.15 local time. We got to remember that. Yeah. Okay. So every time we have primetime game, we're obviously excited. People are out of work, have been out of work, have a chance to even go home, get changed, head to stadium. Thursday, 5.15 local time. Okay, so that's an interesting kind of dynamic for this. They'll figure it out. They're a great fan base. But I'm excited to see Seattle on full display, especially in a divisional rivalry game for the number one and winning of the division, basically. So tomorrow should be special. That's what Week 16 will kick off with in the NFL.

59:05Pat McAfee:And then in college football, we got the playoffs, baby. Boom. We got the playoffs this week. Friday, it's Oklahoma. We got a college game day, I believe, two hours, six to eight, live from Oklahoma as Alabama will travel to take on the Sooners. Cannot wait for this particular matchup. Think it's going to be a beautiful one. Bam, a favorite by one and a half on the road. And then we'll travel down to College Station. College game day will be 9 to noon. Noon kickoff as A &M hosts the Miami Hurricanes. And then at 3.30 on True TV, Tulane will take on Ole Miss. And JMU will finish out the day taking on Oregon.

59:38Pat McAfee:And Autzen on True TV as 21-point underdogs. Live from Hammer, Don, Don. AP Tone. Bama favored in Oklahoma. A &M favored by three. Any surprises on those numbers? And what are you looking forward to most this first weekend of the college football playoff? No, I don't think there's any surprises in those first two games as far as the number, or any game as far as the number is concerned. Bama outgained Oklahoma in that first game. Now it was at Alabama by 200 yards. They kind of dominated the game, but there was a pick six for Oklahoma's defense and they forced two fumbles. That was kind of the story of the game in that one the Oklahoma defense got the better of it as far as the turnovers were concerned um so like yes Alabama should be favored but also Alabama has kind of played like shit since then they had a close one against Auburn they obviously got blown out in the SEC championship against Georgia and Oklahoma's had some time to potentially get their offense fixed and get back to kind of what they were at the beginning of the season so that one's kind of a coin flip and the line shows that and And then when you go to A &M and Miami, when you go to minus three, like when you're looking at sportsbooks and numbers, the home field advantage is normally around two and a half to three points.

1:00:51So if you want to look at it like that, they kind of have these two teams as even, which is kind of what everyone else thinks as well. They are very evenly matched. They both have incredible D lines. They both have incredible offensive lines. And they have playmakers on the outside on both sides of the ball. So that one kind of has those two teams rated evenly, which I don't disagree with at all. And then obviously you have the two big spreads between the more dominant teams versus the group of five teams.

1:01:16Pat McAfee:Tulane plus 17 and a half we like? No. Really? They lost to Utza. So like here's the thing with JMU and Tulane, okay? Meep, meep. Listen, and the Roadrunners are very, very good at home. I think we're holding too much. I think we're doing Tulane a disservice or the Roadrunners a disservice with that. Okay. But. I don't see the Roadrunners in the first weekend of college football playoff, but hey, maybe they should be. They got a gripe. Especially with how bad they beat the hell out of the number 11 team in the country in the college football playoff. But JMU statistically is top 10 in basically every single stat on defense.

1:01:52Their defense has been dominant. Their offense is number five in the country in rushing, like 245, 250 yards a game. But their strength of schedule is 121st. So they haven't really done it again. But at least the teams they play, they dominate. Tulane, still not a great schedule, and their stats aren't great either.

1:02:11Pat McAfee:And their coach, what, is already in Florida. Yeah, at halftime he's leaving. No, well. No, halftime. No, Summerall's doing a great job. He's sleeping two hours. He's doing his job at both places. He donated$100 ,000 back to Tulane. Very nice of him. Him putting a Florida hat on at halftime to call some recruits and then putting a Tulane visor back on for the second half. Gotta go, gotta go. I mean, that's just multitasking to a T. And I appreciate the fact that he's still doing it with Tulane and they're still trying to go for it. But that dude definitely only cares about what Florida's got going on.

1:02:40Yeah, he knows they can't win at all. JMU's the same. JMU's head coach going to UCLA. He was actually just on Jim Rome. I think it was either yesterday or two days ago. And I don't know if there was one question about JMU. They're playing in a playoff game on Friday. He was just getting hammered about UCLA. Saturday I'm playing. Excuse me. Who cares? Even further away.

1:03:00Adam Schefter:What's that? Better enjoy it because it'll be a long road getting there from UCLA. Hey, big back to your shot to shine.

1:03:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, Rose Bowl is obviously awesome, but the Big Ten is going to be a tough road to get to the college football playoffs. So maybe he should enjoy every moment there with JMU. And also, maybe this isn't it for JMU. Boys look big, looked athletic. I had a great new head coach. Is he coaching this weekend? No, Billy Napier. Obviously, I hope he's going to be on the sidelines, though. Yeah, he's going there for a year. And then he's going somewhere else. No, we don't know if that's true with Billy Napier, but maybe there's a chance it happens. Ladies and gentlemen, that's AP Town. Thank you, baby.

1:03:36Pat McAfee:Joining us now is a man who's won a college football national championship, a guy who will be on the sideline down there at College Station calling for the field pass, ESPN. People thought that was a giveaway. Yeah. A lot of people at Texas A &M sending me messages and tweets and stuff like that saying, hey, for your field pass, me and my husband have been diehard Texas A &M Aggie fans. We would love to stand on the sideline with you as if it was like a giveaway. and i i want to tell them you can be on silent with us just through espn2 we will be on in the simulcast but the field pass for some reason i think god i don't know if it got on a message board or something but there was an abundance of people that were like hey how do i win the field pass uh me and my friend have obviously been diehard aggies who used to be a yell leader 20 years ago looking to get back like all those types of things so we will not be having anybody else with us is credentials are actually very difficult to get.

1:04:31Pat McAfee:You have to have very important jobs to get down there. And obviously, whenever you're staying on a sideline, trying not to ruin a game and being dipshits who are incredibly lucky, that is deemed acceptable, I guess. And we are confused by it as well. But we will be down there, and we are very thankful for it. Not only us down there, it will also be, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, A.J. Hawk. Hawk, just a few days from college football playoff field pass, brother. This is a great time of year. How are you feeling just a few days out?

1:04:59I'm feeling great. I think it's going to be awesome. I think the whole college football playoffs will be great. But this game is kind of a marquee matchup, I think, in this first round. I'm looking forward. Hopefully there is a random couple there that gets to stand there and stare at us, do the simulcast.

1:05:11Pat McAfee:Yeah, and maybe there will be. And there will be somebody that will be holding a monitor, and that person will just be out to lunch. No idea what's going on. I've never seen football before, has no idea what we're doing there, but certainly getting a paycheck for them being there, and we're appreciative of them getting a job. but there will be a little self-awareness class that will be happening throughout the entire first quarter. We assume Spanx will be doing his thing, dropping in from the uprights onto our head, telling us we need to back up because he's got a shot that needs to be on TV for 14 seconds.

1:05:41Pat McAfee:So, you know, that will all happen. This has kind of become a part of the field pass process, but we're incredibly lucky to do it. We're very thankful for the folks from Texas A &M for being as hospitable as they have been. And also, Mario Cristobal in Miami, we're getting a production meeting. We'll get a chance to talk to the coaches before calling the game. Let's go. That has never happened before. AJ, this is a big deal, AJ. Hell yeah. This is a very big deal. If you remember, me and you had a production meeting years ago with Matt Rule when he was at Baylor, and that was a fun experience.

1:06:08So, yeah, I'm excited to talk to these coaches.

1:06:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, I'm excited to get a little bit of a heads up on what we should be looking for as opposed to getting dropped in there blind without being able to see anybody's names or numbers or anything like that. So, should be a fun time, fun experience. And in theory, the show should get better because of this.

1:06:22Adam Schefter:It should. I love the insight we're going to get from these coaches. I got some good questions to ask.

1:06:27Pat McAfee:I think just one question probably for each of us. We promised them a six-minute call. Perfect. Let's make sure we're not taking a lot of their time. But, yeah, that's a classic. Hey, just need – somebody will come up and try to pitch something in life, and they'll say, I just need five minutes of your time. Way too much. Never expect five minutes from anybody's time. That is a crazy number to say. 90 seconds sounds amazing. That's going to be five minutes, probably six minutes. But you need to get in the door with 90 seconds. That's what we did with these production meetings. Good. Hey, we just need five minutes.

1:06:56Pat McAfee:Just five minutes. Can we just get a little bit of a thing? That obviously is going to creep into eight, nine, maybe ten. Sure. But we can't be getting to 15. That would be egregious. So we just got to know that there is a sliding window of amount of time that they're expecting, and it's not a lot. We can steal a few on the back end, but we need to be respectful of the time. And, D-Bot, you getting more questions than the rest of us, definitely you'll be in front of the line.

1:07:17Adam Schefter:I just need one. Just one go from front.

1:07:19Pat McAfee:No, no, but you go front of the line, and then we'll go back. Oh, back to back to the line. you'll be in the front of the line. You know, like off-season workouts, the terrible workouts. What part of the line you're in is obviously a massive piece of the amount of reps that you're going to get. So you don't want to be too obvious that you're trying to get to the back of the line. So you try to sneak in maybe two from the end because they're going to attack the people that are at the back and put them into the front because that's an extra rep. You see, if this is a three-minute drill and there's a certain amount, the people at the front of the line are going to get the extra until the time runs out.

1:07:49Pat McAfee:So I learned that early. I was in front of the line early because I wanted to be a guy, you know. I'll go first. Freshman. Set the tone. Why is everybody so, yeah, Pat, go ahead. And then I get through. Oh, my God. And then I got to go again. Oh, no, bad idea. So next year, sophomore year, obviously we don't want to go all the way to the back. I've played poker since, you know, I'm 10 years old. We can't be overselling this thing. So you go from two, you know, from the end, get in there. And then all of a sudden, classic, next year, Rich Rod grabs the entire back line, puts them up in the front.

1:08:22Pat McAfee:says congratulations and now guess who's smarter than everybody. I felt like a genius. Next year did the same thing. Fun game. He took the entire back half of the line put it up in the front half of the line. So you know you're always evolving, always changing but you certainly can be front of the line whenever it comes to questions so that if we get to the front and we steal another minute or two you can get it because your insight during the game is special. Same with you AJ. I think we try to provide actual ball knowledge while calling the game and following the game while providing something different.

1:08:51Pat McAfee:I do think we try that. And I think we've kind of gotten to the point where we kind of know it, Ty. Yeah, I think so. I mean, at this point, how many of these have we done? You know, it's been more that we've been doing this for several years now, and I think that's just natural with the first – like you mentioned this like a couple weeks ago, the first time you do it, it's like, okay, when you're on the sideline, we've got to follow the ball. So, like, you, AJ, and D-Butt are just like kind of just walking around the perimeter of the entire field, and then you realize like, Like, oh, I just missed basically everything that happened on that drive, trying to see everything.

1:09:21So we got our spots. You know, like everyone kind of knows, especially I think me, Diggs, and Connor, like we kind of know which spots are that, hey, this is a good portion for you to maybe have something. You know, whereas at the start it's kind of just like, you know, we're just trying to get our feet wet here and find out where we fit in. And at this point I think like we kind of know how this experience is supposed to go.

1:09:41Pat McAfee:And we don't want to do a disservice to ball. Right. We understand we're having an opportunity that we should not have on that sideline. We're on ESPN2 for a college football playoff game, and we're standing on the field in front of 100. How many people, Tone, at Kyle Field, down there? 110 is the record. Okay, playoff game. Let's assume it'll be 110 ,000 people. We very much understand we're not supposed to be there, and we're very grateful for the opportunity to provide an alternative to the main broadcast, obviously, Kirk Herbstreet. Is it? No, it's McDonough, I think, right? Because I think Herbie's calling Oklahoma.

1:10:12Pat McAfee:The night before. Yes, so it would probably be McDonough and McElroy. Okay, so McDonough and McElroy will be on the call. We're on ESPN, too. Just an alternative, you know. If you want to come hang with us, we'll certainly be grateful. And this is one of the really, really, really, really cool parts of licensing the show through ESPN and having access to this. So we're very, very thankful for the opportunity. Also, shout out to Peyton and Omaha, who had this slot, and then say, hey, do you want this slot now? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. we'll just worry about this other one over here.

1:10:43Pat McAfee:You got it. At the beginning of us having this alt-cast deal, we did a couple in here. It was okay. It was okay. I mean, Mississippi State, Alabama, 31-0. That wasn't okay when we just threw the ball around. We set a world record. Most completions during a blowout football game in the history of television, I would say. We didn't have it, and we felt bad that we had the opportunity, and it was ass. show was ass like we did not think it was good for ball once again lucky to have these opportunities let's provide something for the good of ball at least a little bit even though i'm not everybody's cup of tea so i ruin it for the rest of the crew to even have an opportunity because i'm a part of some things but we do like to at least add and provide the first few were bad soon as we got on the sideline it was like this is this is the one that we're supposed to be mostly me ex-punter kicker i mean i've been on sideline watching football a long time like that is literally what my job was for a long time.

1:11:41Pat McAfee:And then AJ and D-Buck get a chance to feel it and see it. And then the boys getting a chance to experience something that they could have never experienced. Their natural brains and talent is going to point out things. So I think we've got something that is good for Ball as an alternative. And we're different than all the other Altcasts. Just like Luke Kuechly and Dan Orlovsky and Field Yates, it's different than everything else. I'm excited to see how it comes together. Yeah, I was going to say, definitely don't be expecting the Monday Night Football playbook with NextGenStats if you're coming to watch our Altcasts on Saturday.

1:12:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, because we have no idea. We would like to stress this again so you give us a little bit of grace whenever we're doing it. I am calling play-by-play for these games. I have no idea if it was a five-yard gain or a two-yard loss from where we were. Impossible. Which is a pretty important thing, especially whenever it's third down or fourth down. So there is a little bit of that where I'm just watching Jumbotron trying to figure out what the hell happens, but other than that, we think we provide a pretty good vibe. So we hope you'll come hang with us. And shout out to Texas A &M. I think we're getting a full Aggie.

1:12:37Pat McAfee:It's going to be sweet. Good matchup, too.

1:12:39Adam Schefter:Good matchup. Obviously, that matters. It's been a good game. We've had the opportunity to be on the sideline. Some great games and obviously some shite games. I expect this one to be a banger.

1:12:47Pat McAfee:Yeah, and J.J. Watt has no idea what it's like to do this on television for 25 minutes. You know, because the game is 30 to nothing in the fourth quarter. There's still three minutes left there in that game. There's still another 25 minutes, and that's what we decided to do just basically for the entirety. So, now we're on the sideline. So, look how far we've come. It's a good time to catch up with this alt-cast thing that we've been doing because this one's much better than the alternative. Joining us now is a man who's in the booth. Must be nice. With a spotter. Must be nice. With some food.

1:13:17Pat McAfee:Must be nice. An absolute legend who's earned all of it. A future first ballot Hall of Famer. A Houston Texan legend and member of the Bull Ring of Honor. Ladies and gentlemen, the owner of the Burnley Football Club, which I watched the other day. It was on TV this weekend. I think it was on NBC or something this weekend. Did they win? No. I don't think so. From the part that I saw. They were not winning at all. But also the Espanol soccer duper team over there in Spain. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Watt. Yeah, JJ. What's up, JJ?

1:13:46JJ Watt:Hey, guys. How are we doing? I was just thinking this. As you were talking about the Allcast, and I was just looking at the visual of all you guys on the sideline of Kyle Field, have you ever done a MySpace top eight style ranking of the boys? Like every week, like who's your best friend? Who's on top of the show?

1:14:04Pat McAfee:who's crushing who's not no that's also dance moms i know what you're talking about like a pyramid type thing you know uh everybody's gonna be fighting up the pyramid for the opportunity we're all equals here brother you know we're all equals here and everybody has the best week every week in their own ways and uh once everybody starts thinking then we'll start ranking participation

1:14:23JJ Watt:trophies all around boys congrats on the participation you did it you did it we're up

1:14:29Pat McAfee:17%. Don't keep score, baby.

1:14:31JJ Watt:Don't keep score.

1:14:32Pat McAfee:They are keeping score. We're up 17%. Everybody's doing great. Hey, boys. Everybody's doing great. Everybody's doing great. Really good job, boys. Really good job, boys. You're up 17%. We're up a lot last year, and we're up another one. So, JJ, everybody's doing good. Thanks. Everybody gets a juice box. Is Burnley worth a fuck? Is anybody getting judged over there? That's a good

1:14:56JJ Watt:Texas A &M game against Miami. That is going to be a good matchup you guys are going to be on the sidelines for.

1:15:03Pat McAfee:Hey, we need you sometime to join us, obviously, because your height might help you, actually. Kyle Field is, yeah.

1:15:08JJ Watt:I've always said this. I've said this a long time. If I was designing a football stadium, Kyle Field would be the beginning template for what I would design.

1:15:16Pat McAfee:Okay, so have you been there? Because I think D-Butt's landing in Houston and driving over there. I think it is in proximity of each other. Texas, obviously, massive state. I've gotten a chance to go down there with game day. I haven't seen a game there. I've only seen it from TV. it is awesome what a special place right is that kind of how everybody yeah they obviously they

1:15:34JJ Watt:got their some of their weird things that they do um but somehow it all works and on game day it is phenomenal what's weird what's weird um i mean i think they self-admit that it's weird um but just some of the things that they do uh just non-traditional just different than other places um but like college traditions that people have that we don't understand because we don't go there is that what it is yes it's exactly what i'm talking about oh hey i like age going to bat

1:16:03Pat McAfee:for the texas a &m people i like you doing that can i can i not hype up texas a &m now you're

1:16:09JJ Watt:burying them i think is what aj said i was trying to help you there i was trying to help but it's not weird right no no no see see i'm a novice this isn't what you yeah but you don't you don't just blindly toss the praise out and act like there everything is 100 awesome like like we can be honest about things and be like, yeah, if you looked at it from the out, there's some things that people from other places look at and are like, all right, yeah, that's your thing. That's how you guys do it. But what I was saying, if I could get back to it, was that when it all comes together on game day, it's unbelievable.

1:16:49JJ Watt:Everybody is packed on top of you. This is not one of those stadiums that they left extra rooms so that you could have soccer games and concerts and everything. they smooshed this thing to the sidelines they built it directly up into the sky and everything's looking down on you it seems like that student section is going to topple onto the field yes and when they play that power coming out onto the field it is uh that place is cool it's really really special so i think it's going to be great and obviously home of shane leckler so you got to

1:17:14Pat McAfee:give the shout out to we'll obviously talk about shane leckler who needs to be in the hall of fame stat i mean that is uh that is not even a question shane and vinnie going in same time would make a lot of sense i think because that's how kind of everybody kind of views those two respective positions but shane leckler stud goes there as quarterback right then he go there as a quarterback yep rc slocum can still spin it can still absolutely spin it if he had to dude perfect also down there your business partners kyle want downer there you go yeah chuck something off the top deck see if you can hit something maybe we do do that maybe we send somebody that's a good idea, J.H.

1:17:50Pat McAfee:Tyler's done it before.

1:17:51JJ Watt:You're welcome. This sucker's always working up here except for when it's not.

1:17:56Pat McAfee:Makes sense if you don't think about it. Let's go ahead and dump that because that is a really good idea. So let's make sure that doesn't get out. We should have. You guys should maybe be standing up on the top. Yeah.

1:18:07JJ Watt:Connor, stand at the bottom and try and catch it. Oh, not a bad idea. Marshmallow, maybe? Or a football. Or a bowling ball.

1:18:16Pat McAfee:Sure, bowling balls. That'd be easy. All right, so this weekend, college football playoff is awesome. The NFL, too. We're in an incredible time. Tomorrow night, Rams and Seahawks kick off week 16. Saturday night, we got important football. Sunday night, we got important football. Monday night, we got important football. Feels like it's special, but also, if you look at the playoff picture currently, there's a chance we have no idea how this is all going to shape up. What are kind of your thoughts on this NFL season, as this is the current playoff picture, but also none of this is set in stone, and for the first time since 2016, we enter a week 16 with no divisional champions yet.

1:18:53Pat McAfee:It feels like it's all very much up in the air, Jage.

1:18:56JJ Watt:I feel like for fans, I mean, obviously outside of Kansas City, Philadelphia, and a couple of places that have traditionally kind of been there year after year, this is going to be the most fun playoffs that we've had in a while from a standpoint of it feels like we're going in and anybody could beat anybody. And you have no idea what's going to happen. And so as somebody who's obviously out of the game now, this is such a blast to watch because every week it feels like something new is happening. Somebody new is popping up. Now you've got the Broncos sitting there 12 and two. And I think the Rams Thursday night is going to be awesome.

1:19:31JJ Watt:Insane because I think the Seahawks and Rams over there in the NFC are cream of the crop. And that'll be fun to see them both play. I don't love that it's on a short week where they don't get the full prep. I'd love to see it at full force. But who knows? Maybe we see it again at some point. but this playoffs to me tell me if i'm wrong feels like one of the first in a long time where you're not penciling people in to move forward easily no absolutely not and down the stretch everything can

1:19:55Pat McAfee:kind of change too which is special i think the rams are the only team we're all kind of high on but then they lose to the panthers three weeks ago and we turned our tune quickly i mean all it is one loss to change the entire picture especially with three weeks remaining in the nfl season go Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, J.J., when you look at those AFC teams over there in the playoff picture right now, I guess which team do you trust the most to go on a run and potentially make it into the Super Bowl?

1:20:22JJ Watt:I mean, obviously, I mean, the Texans' defense is unbelievable. And if C.J. Stroud plays like he has recently where they're starting to figure themselves out, I obviously have a lot of high hopes for the Houston Texans. I think when you play defense at that level now, they've definitely lost some guys to injuries, which has hurt them a little bit, especially on the interior of that defensive line, which helps out the entire defense. But, I mean, I've said this for a few weeks now. Like, the Jaguars are underrated, and I feel like they get disrespected a bit at many turns here. They're just quietly going about their business and improving every single game.

1:20:58JJ Watt:And Trevor Lawrence is getting better, and they're meshing together. So I think that's happened. And then I just got to watch it last weekend live, and I'll see it again this weekend. When Josh Allen goes Superman mode, you can't stop them. Like when he goes into that mode and they decide like they were down 21 to zero on the road in a hat and T-shirt game and they found a way to turn it around. And then I asked them to put together the stats because I have them again this weekend. Josh Allen's first half to second half stats are unbelievable. Let me lay this out for you here. First half, 64 % completion percentage.

1:21:33JJ Watt:Second half, 75%. First half, 95 yards per game. Second half, 139 yards per game. First half, 10 touchdowns, six interceptions. Second half, 15 touchdowns, four interceptions. Now, here's where I think is the biggest difference, and here's why I think it's different. Rushing. Josh Allen in the first half, 35 rushes, 146 yards, three touchdowns. Josh Allen in the second half, 63 rushes, 389 yards, nine touchdowns. I think the defenses get worn out trying to contain him, keep them in the pocket, and keep this team bottled up. And the Patriots did an unbelievable job in the first half keeping them bottled up.

1:22:12JJ Watt:But I think you just get fatigued over the course of a game, playing tight man, playing all these contains in the pocket, and then he just wears you down over the course of the game, sees you get tired, and takes full advantage.

1:22:24Pat McAfee:It's the old Derrick Henry conversation whenever he was with the Titans. It's like, hey, what the first half is going to look like versus what the fourth quarter is going to look like. Very different with Derrick Henry. Now, that's because he was literally thumping him. You're saying the amount of effort that they are trying to put in into keeping him contained can wear you down a little bit. Stay with Superman that you're talking about with Josh Allen. Go ahead, D-Bud.

1:22:42Adam Schefter:It kind of seemed inevitable, and it's going to be tough. We were talking about it yesterday. It's going to be tough for me at least to pick another team and quarterback specifically against Josh Allen once these playoffs starts with Mahomes out of it. But you've had your eye on him. Is there enough around Josh Allen as far as the weapons on offense and then the defense, especially that run defense? Do you think it's enough for them to actually make a run when the playoffs come?

1:23:04JJ Watt:I mean I think the defense is the question I think on offense I think they I think their tight ends are such a massive key I mean you look at the numbers when Dalton Kincaid's on the field versus when he's off the field when he's out there he's able to do so much James Cook is second leading rusher in the league could possibly get up there in the first category like just running all over when he runs wild their offense clicks so I do think there's enough on the offensive side of the ball because Josh is Josh the defense is where you start to wonder and question about it and Now, you have to give them credit.

1:23:35JJ Watt:While they got torched in the first half this last week, they did lock it down in the second half, and they found a way to close that game out. Massive moments. They made plays. So you give them credit there. But even the week before against Cincinnati, the big turnovers for touchdowns, they needed those big plays to do it. So if their defense can tighten it up, that's where it is. But like you said, D, but Superman is Superman, And that Kansas City is not standing there in the way anymore. And I don't like that it's a consistent caveat that we're throwing on it, but it is what it is. That's the reality.

1:24:09Pat McAfee:But skate on, baby, you know, especially whenever it's cold weather, what he's going to be able to do. We just believe in Josh Allen. And I think, you know, the only thing that's waiting on a Josh Allen resume to be goaded is Lombardi. You know, and that's what all anybody says is, can he win, can he win, can he win? It's the same conversation that's happened with Lamar. No matter how great you are, no matter how many MVPs, no matter how many Superman capes you put on and win games or how special you look like, then you get to a stage where it's like, well, how many Lombardis do you have? Can you win the Lombardi?

1:24:39Pat McAfee:Because that'll be held against you forever. Is this the year that Josh Allen changes that? Start with hard knocks?

1:24:43Adam Schefter:Yeah.

1:24:45Pat McAfee:Announces a pregnancy? Mm-hmm. Gets married? Mm-hmm. And wins a Lombardi? Wow.

1:24:50Adam Schefter:What a run for Josh Allen that would be. That franchise, too. Well, you know, because they had the four straight years, going and losing it. If he can actually bring one to that, Imagine that parade. We all respect, you know, Bill's Mafia as a fan. Well, most of us respect him as a fan base. That would be crazy if 17 could win.

1:25:06Pat McAfee:New stadium? I mean, this would be like the send-off of the last thing? Oh, my. It's almost all written in the stars? Is there? It's all there. Are they still calling him ugly? No. Yeah, we don't have to get into that, I don't think. After the pregnancy? Yeah. Let's just say. He's not ugly. He's handsome. He's sexy. He's ugly. You don't got to tell me. He's six foot five.

1:25:31JJ Watt:What are we talking about here? The Haley Steinfeld heads. The Stein fans. The Stein fan stands. Get their names right. They think Josh is ugly, JJ. It's messed up.

1:25:41Pat McAfee:That's what they said. We don't like it at all. We've actually had to go to bat a couple different times. And Josh is a friend of the program.

1:25:47JJ Watt:If you take a look at this panel, we're not the people here to be judging who looks how. Neither are these people.

1:25:53Pat McAfee:That's what we're saying, Jage. I appreciate you taking an opportunity to grandstand there. We're not saying that he is not attractive. What we're saying is they need to stop talking about our MVP like this. We don't like that. Josh is handsome. He's 6 '5". That's hilarious. He's the MVP of the NFL. Cowboy. Throw your little handsome models. Josh Allen would pick him up by the top of their head like this. Actually, smack him around. Smack him around.

1:26:18JJ Watt:Who do they want? They like Chameleon? Well, everybody likes Jimmy now. That's not the guy. That's not the guy.

1:26:25Pat McAfee:And he's with Kylie. I like Timmy.

1:26:27JJ Watt:I'm saying it as a good thing. Gosh, you guys are really just trying to throw me under the bus.

1:26:33Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's kind of been fun. It's kind of been fun. I didn't know this was going to be the day, but I do appreciate it.

1:26:37JJ Watt:Neither did I. How about AJ? That's all right. I got my shovel, big dog. I'll dig myself up.

1:26:42Pat McAfee:I'm all good. Ain't no problem. I mean, that started with AJ going, what are you calling weird? Just real quick, you want to offend an entire group of people?

1:26:49JJ Watt:He took a hit off his protein shake and all of a sudden turned into Lex Luthor over there.

1:26:52Pat McAfee:No, that's not protein. That's the, what are those things? Aminos. Aminos. Aminos. Oh, you don't like my aminos? Yeah, I speak like that. James, do you drink aminos all day? Is that something you do?

1:27:04JJ Watt:I take aminos. I just had a shake after my workout with there were aminos in it. BCAA.

1:27:08Pat McAfee:That tracks. God, you guys are the best. Remember Leron Landry?

1:27:12Adam Schefter:He was taking more than aminos.

1:27:14Pat McAfee:But he was pretty strong. He was pretty strong. He had a red bottle. My God. He had a red bottle. I mean, he's one of my favorite humans I've ever witnessed in real life. Just so entertaining. So positive, like legitimate. There's not a negative thing that I could say Leron Landry brought into our locker room other than the fact that he arrived at 280 pounds. We signed him to safety. 275, 280. And he decided, didn't tell anybody, that he wanted to be a DN safety hybrid is what he wanted to do with the Colts. Obviously, fresh off.

1:27:46JJ Watt:Common combo.

1:27:47Pat McAfee:Which, I mean, it would have changed the game. Look the part. There's a chance he could have done it. I mean, there was a chance he could have done it the first time he showed up. So I think there was an immediate like, well, this guy doesn't care at all. And then we start to like hear him, talk him, watch him. It's like, this guy's the greatest. This guy is maybe one of the most entertaining, electrifying humans of all time. But he had a red bottle that was with him at all times. I think it was even in his tights during practice. And just like AJ. AJ just had regular water there. There's a bottle right next to it.

1:28:14Pat McAfee:That's a red bottle. That's always right. And the piss bottle. And there's a bottle attached to the table, obviously. And that's a yellow one. Yeah, right. He's hydrated. It's light yellow, which is what we're looking to do. Uh, let's pivot away from you two physical specimens and what you guys do on a day to day. And let's talk about a physical specimen that, uh, ended up in an unfortunate situation. Your brother, obviously we've learned a lot about his situation through your Twitter account. Whenever you broke the news of like what actually happened. And I feel like you wanted to clarify some things or clear the air on exactly what took place.

1:28:45Pat McAfee:How is your brother right now? Obviously Steelers fans missed him on Monday night. They get their first win without him. obviously changed the course of Miami Dolphins football forever on Monday night, which some of the boys will ask you about. But from the Pittsburgh standpoint, with your brother, how's he feeling? Is everything okay? And was it a sketchy situation in there? I assume anytime there's emergency surgery, it's not great news for the entire family or himself.

1:29:09JJ Watt:Yeah, he's working through it. He's working through it. It's obviously not somewhere that he expected or would like to be. but just handling the situation day by day and making sure to find the appropriate and proper steps to get back to where he would like to be sketchy though right i mean that's probably

1:29:30Pat McAfee:because obviously things happen throughout a football season there's injuries that take place but hearing i mean obviously we're talking about your perspective from this what you don't want to do you want to talk about tj because it is about tj but let's just talk about you because you're here and then you can obviously allude to tj but just out of nowhere that's a routine thing for him he does dry needling on a regular basis i assume this is a part of his regular game week routine and then for that to immediately lead to oh he's going here oh he's got a and we got emergency surgery and lung involved like that's pretty quick how did you kind of handle all that stuff and what was kind of the vibe of the watts as a whole as they get blindsided by this situation

1:30:08JJ Watt:seemingly yeah i mean i would say unexpected is the appropriate word um it i mean yeah driving is incredibly common everybody in the league most anybody who's been in the league has probably done it at some point um so yeah i i would say he he was certainly not anticipating being in the hospital

1:30:30Pat McAfee:and getting lung surgery last week all right well please tell him uh i assume he doesn't watch this show he's too locked in on everything else hey he's probably right now actually taking his little fingers into his body and stretching out his lung to make sure it's entirely full that's how we view you watch but please send our positive vibes and well wishes that's scary shit there's no such thing as routine surgery like anytime somebody says this a normal surgery routine surgery it's like uh they put them out and are they cutting them open yes okay this shit is not routine this is a very serious a very important thing happy to hear he's okay hopefully recovery will continue need to go that way.

1:31:05Pat McAfee:We're sorry for everybody a part of that. Now, let's talk about the other side of that now. The Pittsburgh Steelers get a massive win on Monday Night Football that TJ was not able to be a part of, and then the Miami Dolphins start making some big-time decisions. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Jay, it's breaking news today. Tua is being benched in Miami, and Quinn Ewers will get his first start against the Bengals. It feels like a lot of people might have saw the writing on the wall with the Jalen Ramsey Tua yuck it up session after they got blown out, and I believe he was the last one on the field with Jalen Ramsey having a jolly old time even though their season was inevitably over after this loss.

1:31:41They are no longer lurking. What are kind of your takeaways from the two-a-time in Miami and where do you think Miami goes from here? Just because it was kind of one of those things where they scored 70 points versus the Broncos a few years ago. They're changing offense in the entire NFL to this moment in time now where this has become a complete joke, Miami and the Dolphins look awful after kind of going on a little run during the season?

1:32:08JJ Watt:Yeah, I mean, I'm a little, I know that this is, you know, old man get off the lawn type situation where it's old school. But I think there, I'm a believer in there is like at least a minimum responsibility on the optics and everything with the fan base and understanding how everybody's feeling after a certain game or after a way the season is going. And the fans, I mean, the players, you know, everybody cares so much about this game. And I do believe, and it's, trust me, I'm not sitting here saying don't laugh and that, you know, you can't talk to a friend after a game or anything like that. But, like, I do think there are some optics of when you're cracking up, like belly laughing on the field after you just lost a huge game in that way to be eliminated from the playoffs.

1:32:57JJ Watt:Like that, that's a look that doesn't go over well, whether it's with certain other players in the locker room, whether it's with ownership, whether it's with the fan base, like there is a responsibility, especially when you're the highest paid player on the team and you are the leader of the organization. That's, that's just not a good look, truthfully. I mean, point blank, you can't be doing that after a huge loss.

1:33:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, I, I was up for it. So, you know, I felt like a younger version of me, by the way, stayed all the way up through that entire thing. I think I was trying to celebrate what the Inzer people who did not boo Renegade, which is a very cool thing. I think it was active text messages coming from Pittsburgh about the team. We're all the way back. We're winning the Super Bowl, so maybe that's why it was up. Game ends. I go to the bathroom. I come back out. Tua's still on the field. Bluey's going crazy. Got to settle him down. Come back in. Tua's still on the field. Tua's still on the field. Tua's last guy off the field, basically.

1:33:51Pat McAfee:And it's like, how is the quarterback for the losing team last season? And to your point, I felt like old man. I was like, don't get mad about this. This is not a thing. This is a different generation. Obviously, him catching up with Jalen, that's good news. Him and Jalen are friends. Jalen likes Tua, still has respect for Tua, wants to talk about Tua. That means Tua's a good teammate. I was going through all those things in my head. But then I was just at the end like, you'd never see any quarterback that's going to win a Super Bowl have that situation happen. Patrick Mahomes, would we ever see him after a loss?

1:34:22Pat McAfee:Jovial, the last person off the field at an away game, at an away stadium. After a loss, it's like, no. Josh. Josh Allen, you would never see that. Like Peyton, Tom, I don't even want to have to get into that whole conversation. Drew, yeah, right. Drew was like genuinely shoot pissed, it felt like, every time. So then I started going back into that conversation. I'm like, this is year six for this. This guy is already a made man at the quarterback position getting paid. I just keep asking, where did this all, you know? Was it them trading away every good player that they had? Maybe. But they still had a chance to make it in the playoffs.

1:34:57Pat McAfee:Does he seemingly not care? Do him and McDaniel get along? Does the franchise like him? Does he not like the franchise? You start asking all these questions, and then they announce that he's benched for a seventh-round draft pick, and then you're like, well, what the fuck's wrong with Zach Wilson? Is Zach Wilson okay down there? Then I start asking all these questions, and then you immediately all the way lead back to, this team hasn't won a playoff game in 25 years. So there's probably a lot of problems. Let's assume that there'll be a fresh start for all parties. and hopefully it goes better.

1:35:21Pat McAfee:Let's go to the other half of the hammer. Got Cowboys. Bubba Gumpino. Good news, bad news. We've moved on from Tua time. Unfortunately, it is good news because I like Tua when we draft to him. I believed him in him. But you go back to, like, his best season. You remember how big he was? Like, he was muscular, stood in the pocket, took hits, threw the ball deep, and then he got paid and he completely changes everything. Like, everything changed. And then this year, he throws teammates under the bus. Every time he talks, it's never his fault. And then that was the end of it on Monday night. Like, you can't do it anymore.

1:35:57He's the face of the franchise doing this shit all season long. It's been two years of this shit that nobody's noticed.

1:36:03Pat McAfee:They cut Matthew Judon. Judon is released by the Miami Dolphins. His deal is one year, six million bucks. I don't know what that means for how much money is remaining. Will he clear waivers? We assume. We assume he will. But this whole Dolphins thing, like McDaniel, we assume it's over. And it's just like a restart down there. And that's where we're at right now. We're staring down restarts at some teams, and then we're staring down potential Lombardis at others. And it's a crazy time of year, and we're very lucky to be a part of it. And the Indianapolis Colts staring down Lombardis still. Go ahead, Ty.

1:36:35Pat McAfee:Thank you. Yeah, Jage, what did you think of Phil Rivers' performance last week? Because on every sports show kind of leading into Sunday, There were people saying that it was organizational mispractice for them bringing him back. This guy's going to get killed. We're worried about his family. And then he puts the Colts in position to win the game. Now, his stats weren't unbelievable, but I don't think anyone was expecting them to be. But moving forward, do you think the Colts still have a legitimate chance to make the playoffs, especially if Phil Rivers is going to be the guy at the helm? Tough road.

1:37:06JJ Watt:I mean, what I will say is that I don't think there's certain people that went super far with their comments on everything. I don't think it was wrong to have concerns about him taking hits. I think that was a legitimate thing coming in. Now, he did what I think exactly you should do. Obviously, he handed the ball off, and he got it out of his hands extremely quick because he's an unbelievable processor. And so I think it's awesome what he did. I think literally him making it through the whole game, having a chance to win that game at the end, taking him down for the field goal, and then unfortunately losing it at the end.

1:37:41JJ Watt:but it was it was must see tv it was awesome and for him it was probably the greatest feeling ever and for all those kids back watching like it was so cool and so as a fan of the game i loved it i i am very happy that it ended with him successfully moving on to the next week and having a chance to do it again but i i'm not going to sit here and like act like i didn't have those concerns because

1:38:03Pat McAfee:i certainly did i think we all did you know we all had the concerns you know five years away from the game. We all saw what he looked like. He looked fat, but then that got squashed pretty quick. The pregame

1:38:16JJ Watt:warm-up shot with the jacket, like that rain jacket that kind of puffs out further with the belly is not a good look. That was not the best photograph. Well, and also, I think

1:38:27Pat McAfee:with the hat, the way that the hat was fitting on his head and the way the hoodie was, there was potentially no real jawline either. So, you know, in his press conference, so everybody's immediately going, there's some big old fat guy who's going to play quarterback for the Colts. What are we doing? And Phil Rivers' answer was like, I never run away from anybody anyways. And I have no idea what my weight was coming off Buffalo. I don't know what it is now. Then he put the pads on, put shoulder pads on. He had the rib protectors, the spleen protector on. And he looked exactly like Phil Rivers. I'm happy that happened.

1:38:56Pat McAfee:And the all-whites that the Colts wear, not easy. You cannot hide in there. That's why on Monday. You cannot hide in there. We got the Indiana Knights uniforms on Monday night football. on Monday Night Football. Yeah. No. Yeah, she grew up tall and she grew up brown with them Indiana boys on them Indiana Nights.

1:39:21Pat McAfee:That song's about marijuana and I love it. And I love that we're using the Indiana Nights uniforms in a night game. Monday Night Smoking that San Fran pack. Good question. Stupid. What's that?

1:39:33JJ Watt:Why is it a lowercase i? Yeah. AJ with a great point.

1:39:37Pat McAfee:No, don't worry about it. Worry about the graphic. That's a capital Y in the graphic. Don't worry about it.

1:39:42JJ Watt:I had to intentionally do that, though. At least they're wearing them at night. I mean, this is a step forward.

1:39:47Pat McAfee:Thank you. Let's not worry about the lowercase i in the tweet. Are these the ones with the black helmets, blue jerseys?

1:39:54JJ Watt:Is that what this is? Yeah, that's why they blacked it out in the photo. I can't even tell what it is. Look how sick that helmet is and look at that jersey. Sweet is a stretch. Boom!

1:40:03Adam Schefter:Oh! Boom!

1:40:07Pat McAfee:Sauce. That's the night time, baby. This is built for the stars. This is built for, oh sorry, Sauce. This is Sauce Gardner. This is Sauce Gardner. Built for the stars. Built for prime time. Built for Phillip Rivers. Now, Phillip Rivers also hasn't had the opportunity to play in front of a packed out light house in Lucasaw Stadium. Because whenever he was Colts quarterback, they had cardboard cutouts of me and the boys in the stands during COVID. So it's a crazy time here in Indianapolis. We got night uniforms for a night game because, remember, they rolled these things out. The marketing department had a brilliant idea on these Indiana nights, which I would like to be heard loud and clear that I appreciate the fact that they're pulling from a Tom Petty song about weed and they're promoting it because if you play that guitar lick anywhere, everybody will sing along, and it obviously puts Indiana in a great place.

1:40:57Pat McAfee:But whenever they rolled it out, we did it with 1 o 'clock games. and we didn't make the playoffs and we said there was no contact they actually changed the rule i think for the indianapolis colts not to have to get a thursday night game yeah like usually every team had to get a thursday night game at least for one time prime time and then they changed that rule and the team the next year that didn't have any of the prime time games was the indianapolis colts and we had indiana knights waiting on deck so they rolled this thing out and they put them on at one o 'clock and we lost so all across the board we lost i think so now that it's monday Night Football and we got the Indiana Knights uniform, San Francisco 49ers, good luck.

1:41:32Pat McAfee:Bob Sala has no fucking idea what he's about to walk. He has no idea what he's about to walk.

1:41:39JJ Watt:You can't even see the uniform in the picture. It's in there! They know. Why did they not capitalize the I?

1:41:50Pat McAfee:That's disgusting. Because no I in team. Well, there's two I's in Indiana, so you need them.

1:41:57JJ Watt:somebody's going to tweet us and be like hey morons this is why yeah there's got to be i don't know why i think that it might have to do with some of the stuff that's like the the cool intricacies of the uh new uniforms like there might be something like that like i know the colts uh the symbol itself has the outline of the state of indiana i believe in it like there might be some

1:42:17Pat McAfee:cool little thing that we're forgetting bruce brown just did some deep speaking of cool little

1:42:21JJ Watt:things. That tarp you got on is sweet, brother. Thanks. We beat the absolute shite out of that dork Ryan Smith's Utah Mammoth last night. Utah Mammoth, a good team, I heard. Oh, yeah, and there's a team that's better, and they're in Boston, baby.

1:42:36Pat McAfee:Ryan Smith is a super genius. We appreciate his work ethic. There's a chance some would call him a dork, especially if you're losing to the Boston Bruins. Yeah, good luck with you. Focus on your jazz line. Everyone's pretty bummed out about them, too. They're building a facility right now that's going to be the nicest facility in all sports. By far. I mean, they got the Mammoth thing going too, but a lot of people...

1:42:55JJ Watt:Don't back down now. Don't back down now. Don't do it at all.

1:42:58Pat McAfee:Have you heard about what they're doing with their practice facilities?

1:43:00JJ Watt:It's cool, man. Yeah, they're opening it up to the public like part-time.

1:43:04Pat McAfee:I don't know. Maybe. That sounds like a good business venture that Ryan Smith would potentially do, but if it's going to sacrifice winning, he will stay away from it. Bought a mall. Bought a mall.

1:43:14JJ Watt:Okay.

1:43:15Pat McAfee:Mall. You know malls. Gigantic.

1:43:17JJ Watt:I'm aware. Carry on. Department stores.

1:43:19Pat McAfee:You know how big department stores are? Like the... The Nordstrom. The JCPenney.

1:43:24JJ Watt:JCPenney. Dillard.

1:43:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, bought a mall, okay? And now he's turning like JCPenney is the Utah Jazz facility, and then you go up some actual escalators that are there, go down, and then you enter into the Utah Jazz facility, which is like Nordstrom or something like that. And they're both gigantic. Build it up in one year, the Mammoth side of it. Going to do the same thing for the Jazz. and then I do believe it is going to be there's a public area of the mall that's going to be on that side if their teams could just get good. Mammoth have. The Jazz they actually really really are in a bad spot. Why is that? Because they thought they were potentially going to get the number one overall pick.

1:44:01Yeah it turns out Oklahoma City has their pick and now Oklahoma City is going to have two top ten picks and actually the Jazz are contributing to ruining the entire NBA if that happens with the Oklahoma City Thunder but that might not happen. But practice facility very good

1:44:14Pat McAfee:Very good, and the moth is our climbing. Very good, and it's beautiful. But it is a beautiful sweater there for the Boston Bruins as the NHL continues to be awesome. And to wrap up the Colts lowercase i thing, Bruce did some research. I guess this has happened multiple times. There's somebody that's really new and cool that has a social media degree that wants to add their own little flavor. Yeah, all right. Just capitalize the goddamn I. I know you got a social media degree, please. It's the name of our state, you know. What a joke. I hate the social media people. Not everywhere. Just the super-duper geniuses that have it all figured.

1:44:50It's an artistic choice they took? Is that what you're saying?

1:44:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, I believe that is what. Bruce has come to a quick conclusion that there's potentially a new thumb on the social account and kind of want to make their own mark or maybe leave their own little artistry. Maybe start a trend. Maybe start a trend. Mission accomplished. New thumb or new knowledge.

1:45:07JJ Watt:I believe the chargers are lowercase only over on their X count, so it is a bit of a thing.

1:45:13Pat McAfee:Not a bad idea to follow the Chargers. Maybe we back off this tape. Maybe we back off. We have not gotten full context of it all. If you were doing what the Chargers are doing, we would like to say, hey, this new social media person really doing it. Really like what they're doing. I really like what they're doing. See new information. We keep it moving. But on that note, let's capitalize that. Yeah, there's nothing cool about being wrong. That's not the way it's spelled. No, especially with states. Yeah, especially this, our state. Especially Indiana. Yeah, our state. Yeah. Especially.

1:45:41JJ Watt:Ty, are you leaning up over there? Ty, are you leaning out? What are you talking about? I don't know. You just look lean. Am I leaning out? No, that's very nice of you to say that because I probably need to lose about 35 pounds. So thank you for saying that. That actually makes me feel great. So maybe now I'm not going to do anything for the next... Thank you, James. Thank you, James. My turn. Be your friend, tell a friend. You are... Looks like you might be getting the holiday bump. Whoa! Thank you. The holiday weight loss bump. I like that. It looks like you have some good cooks in your family.

1:46:18Pat McAfee:Oh, I like that. The kitchen's obviously operating at optimum. Mother's a fine cook. Yeah, okay. Thank you.

1:46:24JJ Watt:Connor, I think you can. Connor, how long is the hair going? Because I am on chop watch. I am near the end of the line here. I think I'm at the end. Are you at the end? Where are you at? No, I'm not. I mean, I think I've gotten past the point of where I want it to be, so I need to trim it up maybe a little, but I don't think you should cut your hair, dude. Where are you at? Where are you at? Where are you at? I'm at the point and probably just past the point of where I would like to be.

1:46:47Pat McAfee:Okay, my question for you is, will you continue to be hat guy to keep it down? Because hat at the beginning to keep hair down while it's a huge ordeal. Yes, I think it's a technique that is used by a lot of people. You can continue to do that while continuing to grow it out, right? I cut you off there, but will you continue to do that while you grow it out?

1:47:07JJ Watt:Well, no, I don't want to grow it anymore. I am done growing it. It is at the length where I definitely don't want it to be any longer than this. Oh, man. I think it might even be a touch too long at the moment. The hard part is on Sunday. Like, I like wearing a hat. I like to flip out the back of the hat. But on Sundays, I got to go on air. And for four hours, this has to somehow stay, like, okay. But you put on a headset. You put off the headset. You're out in the elements. Like, it doesn't stay good for that long. So, I don't know what to do.

1:47:35Pat McAfee:Spray. Hat.

1:47:37JJ Watt:Let it dry. Yeah, I know. I do that. But then I got to take the hat off to go on television.

1:47:42Pat McAfee:And you're telling me your hair has so much bonce that it's battling through that?

1:47:48JJ Watt:Yeah, it falls down in front like this. It does like this thing. Yeah, it actually looks awesome. Yeah, that's a good look.

1:47:54Pat McAfee:It kind of looks sweet. You have good hair. You have really good hair. I don't think you should be embarrassed by it. Had the reverse cloth this week, too. Usually, JJ, I notice you go left to right, but this week it was right to left. Do you have a lot of calyx in there or no?

1:48:07JJ Watt:It's not too bad. I don't know. I think your hair is good, dude. That would be a fun gimmick coming back from break and if you do what you just did and then your hair

1:48:17Pat McAfee:That'd be awesome. Every once in a while, Joey Burrow will get the curl down in front like Razor Ramon. Yeah. I think you should think about that whenever you're doing it. Your hair is good, dude. I don't think you should quit on it. Don't be, for me at least, don't be fickle about it. That's my problem. I want to look exactly one way. Once you do that, then you're going to drive yourself crazy. You're chasing. You're chasing. You're chasing. Speaking of chasing. That's fair. Matthew Judon is going to be available, we all assume. There was a team that lost a great pass rusher that might be in the market.

1:48:49Pat McAfee:Go ahead, AQ. Yeah, JJ, tough weekend of injuries, obviously, with Michael Parsons going down. How big of an impact is it with Green Bay losing him, and what does their defense look like moving forward?

1:49:00JJ Watt:I mean, it's a gigantic impact. He is a phenomenal player. He changes everything for how teams have to block, to account for him, to know where he's going to be, lines up all over. He's explosive. He's an incredible player. And when you're losing one of the best players in the National Football League, you can't replace him even with one, two, three guys. It's just different when you have that level of athlete on the field that you have to account for. So, yeah, they can go out there and get somebody. It's not going to be the same. It's going to be more of by committee figuring out how this defensive front is going to get the pressure to try and somehow replicate a percentage of what he's leaving behind.

1:49:41JJ Watt:And that's guys stepping up. It's games. It's schemes. It might be pressure from the second level or the back end. But it is going to be the whole defense rallying around. You literally cannot replace a player of that caliber with one or two guys. I mean, would a hometown or a home state guy maybe take, I don't know, $25 million to come back and maybe try to fill that void for a playoff run here?

1:50:03Pat McAfee:Oh, mama, AJ Watts and the Packers.

1:50:08JJ Watt:I wanted to play for the Packers in free agency. I know. I wanted to go to Green Bay. And what happened? They were not interested. What? That was old regime. Yeah, I was going to say, we got to add policy now. Finish your story. That's where I wanted to go. I told my agents, I don't care what the number is. I don't care how low it is. Tell me what it is so I can at least consider it. I said, I'm not saying there's a guarantee to take it. But I said, if it's$2 million, if it's$4 million, whatever the number is, put it in front of me so that I can at least consider it against all these options. And they said, we can't get a number.

1:50:43Pat McAfee:They didn't even make an offer to JJ what?

1:50:45JJ Watt:I mean, I don't know if it was. What year is this? What year? This was 2020. 20, this was right before I went to Arizona. It was 2021.

1:50:54Pat McAfee:So you're still playing football. You should have kicked the door down and went in there.

1:50:58JJ Watt:This is my free agency, my real free agency. I said, we went, you go through the list of everything on what you want to do, where would you like to go, what kind of, what are you looking for? And I said, the ideal situation for me would be to go play for the Green Bay Packers. That's where, I mean, I grew up. I watched Reggie White. That would be incredible. I said, I'll take a significant, significant hometown discount to play there. And I said, but I just need to know what that looks like so I can at least consider it against all options. And I was not given a number to consider.

1:51:28Pat McAfee:Oh, my gosh, J.J. Now, that might have been your agent saying, we're not telling this guy this small of a number because obviously that affects what number we're getting in this entire thing. And there has been stories of agents potentially not telling people things so they can guide them in a different direction. So we're not 100 % sure you would know better than us.

1:51:44JJ Watt:Yeah. No, I'm not 100 % sure.

1:51:47Pat McAfee:But what it sounds like right now is that the Green Bay Packers said, who? Yeah, see ya. And just kind of moved along with JJ1. That's awesome to hear right now. I didn't do that.

1:51:58JJ Watt:I can tell you without question right now, I can tell you that$5 million would have gotten it done. How much did you end up taking?

1:52:07Pat McAfee:How much did you end up taking?

1:52:09JJ Watt:I think like$15 million. God damn, they would have done that. Will you consider it one more time? Five million now. We'll say seven and a half. We'll give you a 50 % bump.

1:52:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, you still got that log cabin up there? You still got that log cabin up there? Maybe we can move back in and go on a playoff run. Jage, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the greatest. Genuinely, you are the best. You're too good at football to be as good of a human, an actual human, that you are. It really doesn't make any sense. And then we see that your hair is also flawless as well. Pretty outrageous. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

1:52:44JJ Watt:Hey, I appreciate you guys very much. It's a blast every single week. I hope you guys have a lot of fun at Kyle Field. That'll be awesome. But seriously, this show is so much fun every single week. I know I tell you all the time, but I really, really appreciate it. Your fans are awesome. It's great to get mentions from them all the time, and you guys are the best.

1:53:02Pat McAfee:Our fans, brother. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. Watt. Yay! He's awesome. Great on the call, too. Yeah, he is. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Good vibe while watching, no matter what's happening. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, point out the good in the game. Yeah, there's good stuff. Remember how ball time's going. Remember, I know we're getting a break. Remember he filmed ball time. That's got to come out soon. Ball town. Town. Oh, yeah. Ball time, I thought. I thought it was balls time. Well, we'll figure it out. Either way, great promo. Great tease. Yeah, because we remember it still. All right.

1:53:37Pat McAfee:See you tomorrow. That was our best. That was, yeah. That was our best. That was one of the best ones ever. I don't know why I had to bring it up with 20 seconds to go. Yeah, but then again at 10 seconds. I wanted to ask him about it. It's ball time. Call him back, please. I think it's Balls Town. I thought it was. Remember he are? No, it's neither. I think it's neither. You pluralize the balls and you change the time. But I think it's – he filmed like – I thought he had a whole season in the can. Like, I just want to see when it comes out. Me too, bro. We're thinking the same – hey, we're thinking the same thing.

1:54:08Pat McAfee:I forgot it existed and then you brought it up. Balls Town. Okay. Yes. Balls Town. That's about all. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, the host of Balls Town, we think, J.J. Watt. What was the name of that show thing that you recorded? Do you remember?

1:54:20JJ Watt:What's that now?

1:54:21Pat McAfee:Ballstown?

1:54:23JJ Watt:Ballstown? Yeah, it never happened. Didn't come to fruition.

1:54:27Pat McAfee:What?

1:54:28JJ Watt:You filmed a few, right? Yes. Yeah, we filmed a pilot and filmed some stuff.

1:54:33Pat McAfee:Who owns the footage? Who owns the footage? Yeah.

1:54:35JJ Watt:It's a cartoon. It's a cartoon.

1:54:38Pat McAfee:Is it? What do you mean? Who owns it, though?

1:54:42JJ Watt:um i mean i i would imagine that i still own a portion of it so it's not over yet it's not

1:54:48Pat McAfee:ever yet okay so just if you know there might be some people that would be interested in

1:54:52JJ Watt:purchasing the right voice the characters or something how's that if it's animated yeah voice yeah it's animated so i voiced i voiced the character there's yeah i love the concept i really love the concept it's uh it's literally it's kind of like cars but for sports like the balls can talk all different balls like you'd have you'd have a golfer voicing over the golf ball you'd have a basketball star voicing over the basketball you have me voicing over the football

1:55:18Pat McAfee:it's really cool so yeah sounds really cool what have you watched it and you hated it

1:55:23JJ Watt:no i liked it it was a very interesting time back when we were shopping it like the with streaming and the amount of shows and everything and just what would be required to

1:55:34Pat McAfee:make it happen didn't happen say no more my friend sounds like this uh ball's town still

1:55:38JJ Watt:awaiting a release date but it's still how did this come up i didn't i got off and you guys

1:55:44Pat McAfee:started talking about ball town aj said i wanted to ask him about ball time is what he said and then we said no i think it's ball's town and then we forgot all about it though and but it needs to not be forgotten that thing needs to be that's good for yeah i talked about that one a little

1:56:00JJ Watt:too early. I brought that like I've learned that you can't bring things up that early. It's a life lesson.

1:56:07Pat McAfee:No.

1:56:08JJ Watt:It's all right. No.

1:56:11Pat McAfee:That's still alive. I want to see that.

1:56:13JJ Watt:Are you going to Kyle Field? I will be there. Yeah, it's gonna be sweet. I've never been there. It's a great place. I mean, obviously, Ohio Stadium is an awesome place. The thing that separates it for me is how close to the field. Like, Ohio Stadium has that one end zone that's real deep back behind that flagpole. I just love how this one is just everything on top of you.

1:56:34Pat McAfee:I appreciate the fact that you pointed out, instead of making it wider for concerts and anything else that they could potentially profit off of the stadium for, they decided to make it strictly for the environment to be as hard as possible and a home field advantage, which you respect, which we also respect, and we will bring that up whenever we're certainly talking about it. We need to save ball town for the good of sport. Yeah. This needs to happen. Sports need to. All right.

1:56:59JJ Watt:What do we got here? There's some angle here. No. No. There's no angle. Literally.

1:57:03Pat McAfee:AJ kind of ruined the exit off ESPN completely because you brought a bull down. You brought it up like six months ago. Is it animated so you can say controversial things to get away with it? Is that why you did that? That's why people do that.

1:57:18JJ Watt:What's happening here? Cartoon can say whatever they want.

1:57:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, I guess we don't know what the context of the...

1:57:24JJ Watt:You can say whatever you want on SpongeBob SquarePants? What do you mean? Family Guy, though, and South Park. That's why it's for family.

1:57:31Pat McAfee:And also Jeff Dunham, the ventriloquist. It's not me. It's terrible what this person's saying over here. It's a good little play by comedians, which we respect. And AJ was wondering if that's what you guys are doing with this particular one. So you can kind of let some jokes fly.

1:57:47JJ Watt:I picture it like Recess. I loved the show Recess growing up. I liked Recess. I thought it was great once. Hey Arnold, you know, some of those. My son watched Jingle All the Way the other night. Not animated, but just underrated Christmas movie. Yeah.

1:58:00Pat McAfee:Okay, let's make sure Ballstown is not dead.

1:58:02JJ Watt:How's your dog, by the way? I got to ask you because I saw your post the other day where he was just chomping at the food bin. Love the attitude of this new dog that we've got.

1:58:12Pat McAfee:Yeah, hungry dog. It is a hungry dog all the time. This dog is supposed to be, I think, grazing planes with cattle or any other animal, horses. I've heard these things herd horses. Okay, so horses can really run, you know, and horses are really tall. So to be able to herd said things, you would assume would have to have respect for the stature of said dog, which I think we're nowhere near the end of where this thing is headed towards, you know, with the size of its mitts versus the size of its entire thing. How'd you get it? Hamilton County Humane Society. Hamilton County Humane Society, you know, was sitting there staring through the picture with its ears, which he still does, ears back, just did something that was catastrophic to the house.

1:58:56Pat McAfee:Come sits over, I'm so sorry, I just have too much energy. His tail is just going, what do you want from me, dude? This is just who I am. I am so sorry. And then go down on the back. And then you start petting him. They get super excited, so then he pees on you. And obviously, whenever he's peeing, his bladder's gigantic. So it's just your entire arm is just now getting blasted with piss while he's peeing on himself. So now he's got pee on himself and on his shirt. So then he gets up, and you go back to your room, you know, because you need to take off the piss shirt that you have on now, because you would like to hold your child, you know, but you don't want to lay in the piss.

1:59:24Pat McAfee:so as you head back to the bedroom you know you notice that the dog actually jumped 45 feet and landed on the bed which is cool that it landed on the bed but you remember that it just pissed all over itself so now he's laying on bed you know taking up the whole thing he's kind of cutting that thing you know how sandwiches can be cut diagonal so on the bed he's diagonal and he's tip to tip you know from that he's taking up the whole thing so it's really but then he gets down again he goes I didn't know how could you expect me to know it was so comfortable it was so nice I was in a fucking been just a couple weeks ago and then sprints and then he's back it's like he's a good dog it's a great dog you can tell good dog good nature but boy big what's the plan for exercising this thing that normally runs with horses so electric fence we're putting in okay we got property out here in indiana which is good news but also there's like a foot of snow down so it's tough to get in anything you know because this was kind of spur of the moment decision to just have to get this

2:00:20JJ Watt:dog within the next day too so there was yeah look at that guy wasn't a lot of that damn food

2:00:24Pat McAfee:give me that damn food and he dragged you on stuff see like eat pillows and stuff or mess doesn't do any of that oh then you're good you're all right he just he he gets excited and pees and has so much energy and he's always hungry like he will always want to eat and i think it's because he has to grow but we'll feed him like i'll feed him to like what you think will make him happy and then you put the food away and then all of a sudden, no, we're in the vicinity of food. I need it. And he'll actually head nod at this point.

2:00:53JJ Watt:Don't chuck him, man. Don't you dare chuck this guy.

2:00:55Pat McAfee:He can't. He can't. He literally can't. I have to run sprints in-house with this thing at night to try to just get it to stop. So he's going to end up turning me into a much better fit person, but also I'm going to have to add completely a daily routine of running.

2:01:09JJ Watt:Connor, Connor, take him on your morning jogs every day. That's all about it. You guys, you two, you two go on your daily jog together.

2:01:15Pat McAfee:It's not a bad idea. I got some messages from somebody that lives in my neighborhood that says, I got one of those similar dogs. I ran it for seven miles today. I think it still wants to go out for another one. So what I'm worrying is the more I work out this dog, I think we're just creating a turbo man of sorts, if you will. And I potentially am about to get run out of the gym by this dog, no matter what I do. It's a never ending chase to get this dog tired. and from what I've been told by people that have these dogs is this fucker ain't ever tired. That's why this is...

2:01:45JJ Watt:Yeah, you don't expend enough energy as it is. You definitely need more energy expenditure on your plate.

2:01:52Pat McAfee:Yep, and that's what we got with Blue. You know, that's what we got.

2:01:55JJ Watt:Are you guys going to the Friday night yell lead? We are.

2:01:59Pat McAfee:And that's what you were talking about? My God.

2:02:02JJ Watt:I cannot wait to just take that content into my eyeballs.

2:02:07Pat McAfee:Us experiencing it is what you're saying? Yes.

2:02:09JJ Watt:Yes. I am very excited to experience you experiencing it.

2:02:15Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think what Jage is excited for.

2:02:17JJ Watt:AJ, can we get you in some overalls? I was trying to ask you this. I don't know a whole lot about it. I wanted you to describe it. I'm not sure what it is. I've seen a couple videos online, but I'm not sure if they were real or not, to be truthful. I believe there are either painted or bedazzled overalls involved. Painted. Please. There is a lot of business. This is awesome.

2:02:37Pat McAfee:That's the final call. That's the final hand signal. That's them sawing off the Longhorn. That's them acting like a saw right there. That's while they're singing. That's to cut off the horns of the Longhorn because they hate dicks.

2:02:51JJ Watt:It's like that part is awesome. It's like this weird juxtaposition of that was weird, but that was awesome. It's like that girl who was on. That's good.

2:03:05Pat McAfee:We just got another one too right there of J.J. Watt. Somebody ripped that. I can't wait to respond to somebody when they say something stupid. I'm just going to drop J.J. Watt in there. Conflicted J.J. Watt. What an absolute stud. I know what you were talking about, though, because a lot of people do judge Texas A &M people, and you said self-admittedly. I do think they all say, like, we do stuff different down here. That is the way, but they're all all in. So that makes it cool.

2:03:30JJ Watt:They wear those rings, too. They all get rings, and that is a real, real thing. I mean, being in Houston, like, they have an Aggie ring. and you wear your Aggie ring. It's not like a Jostens High School ring where you put it away forever. Like a pinky ring? I think, yeah. I don't know which finger. It actually might be. Yeah, on your finger. Like, they wear an Aggie ring. That is a real thing. You'll see it, like, out at dinner. They're like, Aggie. And they're like, what? And they're like, yeah, look at this ring.

2:03:57Pat McAfee:If it was just pinky rings only, and they called themselves the Texas A &M Dons, and then every time they saw each other, they pinky to pinky with that, that'd be a pretty cool little thing. Let's try to get one of these Dawn rings this weekend. Let's earn one this weekend with our yelling. Let's do that. There it is. Is that the ring?

2:04:14JJ Watt:Great research. Super speed, guys. Really good job back there.

2:04:18Pat McAfee:Good pull, Bruce. Good pull, Bruce. Is there any other information on this website here about this, Bruce?

2:04:23JJ Watt:Yeah, is it like an alumni ring or is it when you're a current student? When you graduate. No, when you graduate, you get the ring.

2:04:29Pat McAfee:The Aggie ring. One of the greatest moments for an Aggie is the day they receive their Aggie ring as the most visible sign of the Aggie network. The Aggie ring is a unique representation of achievement as it can only be ordered when a student completes specific academic... Well, we got no shot, boys. All right. Well, congrats to all of them. Congrats to all of them. All right, Jay, you're the man. Have a great weekend. And let's bring Ballstown back. It's not dead if it never started, right? It just hasn't started yet. Yeah, true. It had to be terrible, right? Is that why I took it? It's so bad.

2:04:59Pat McAfee:It's cartoon and it's J.J. Watt. You would think that would get sold pretty quickly. You would think that. I mean, he did say something along. Maybe it was like, we love this. We want nine seasons and 100 episodes of this. And he was like, I don't know if I want to sign up for that. Yeah. So maybe us bringing it up almost put him back into like, oh, no, you just helped the people who are telling me that we should do this. They got a little bit more leverage now because there is a demand for it because A.J. Hawk remembered it with 20 seconds left in the show. Which is a good thing because I think sports, one of those would be good for kids.

2:05:33My kids would love it. I've been meaning to ask him for like 8 weeks and I just never thought to bring it up until right then for real maybe 12 weeks probably I've been meaning to ask

2:05:42Pat McAfee:I'm happy we got a hey it's a big day today we should get you an Aggie ring to celebrate the achievement of getting it done I can't wait to get down there and obviously you said I've seen some videos I don't know if they're real or not I do think they are real that's an honest statement I made I know and I think we were all thinking the same thing when we saw him we're like nope can't be that's not how it is but then you get down there and you think oh everybody that's ever been here is all bought in on this and then you start thinking about other people's what do they do as their traditions and everything like that it's like oh this is just how they go about doing their shit but what i do know is it provides an electric environment for uh college game day every time we've been down there it's been awesome i assume every game that happens down there is awesome and now they got a team in the playoff It's going to be absurd down there.

2:06:32So it's at midnight. This goes on for how long? The yell? Yeah. I don't know. We'd have ever been. I have no idea. But, like, do they go home and then come back, get some sleep, and then come back for the game?

2:06:41Pat McAfee:From my understanding, because I've been down there and I walked around town, and Gumpy, remind me if I'm wrong here, there was people camping out of the stadium to get into the stadium overnight. But not everybody that goes into the midnight yell could camp out at the stadium because I think they're filling that thing up with like 50 ,000, 40 ,000 people at midnight the night before the games. I think. Is it exactly at midnight? Is it around midnight? How long it is? We don't really know any of those things. We just know that we were asked if we wanted to come see it, and that was an immediate, yep, yep.

2:07:12Pat McAfee:Can't wait to see that. I'm excited for it. But a midnight pep rally is crazy to think about, the night before every home game. Yeah. That's like a lot of commitment, which once again goes to, they do things that nobody else does, but everybody's all in, which makes it a cool experience, kind of JJ's point. Yeah, when we were there, it started at like 1130. They started letting people in. I'm not sure if they actually kick it off at midnight because there's 10 ,000, I mean 40 ,000, 50 ,000 people literally lined up around the stadium to get into this place. And then some of them were camping out just around where game day was.

2:07:40They had those kind of pockets, not trailers, but like there were little tents around. I'm not sure if they're actually camped for the game, but they were camped for game day. And they had their own little like areas, tents, kind of similar to Bama, how Bama had like a 10 setup behind game day, but I'm not sure if it's exactly the same. But yeah, I mean, they start letting people in and I mean, they might not be able to get it going by midnight just because so many people are lined up and they got to get everyone in.

2:08:08Pat McAfee:It's a wild thing to witness because it's like these people are not just fans of their team. It's like they are so committed. So whenever a win happens, it's like it was all worth it. It's like the highs and the lows, whenever you're that fully committed to something or more. So I think that's why the environment is created to be what it is because it's like a very big investment to be a fan down there. They definitely have great fans. We played them in my junior year. We played them in a bowl game in the Alamo Bowl, which was in Texas. So they traveled well to that game. And we did a pep rally, and they did like a miniature version of that.

2:08:43And I was like, oh. I mean, that was pretty intense with 3 ,000.

2:08:47Pat McAfee:And you guys have a good cult yourselves. We had a great fall. It was a great game. And we filled up the Alamo Dome. It was a great game. It was for a bowl game? It was a bowl game. They had Vaughn Miller, Michael Bennett, Red Bryant on their defensive line. I mean, they were good. Nobody cares about these bowl games anymore, and I'm about done with that. Yeah. We need to bring back the... It wasn't there. No. Good luck. I mean, all the bowl games need to matter. This is a bonus game for these boys. It's dead, right? We got two CFP games that don't fucking matter. Because of these stupid fucking little schools.

2:09:17They need to get rid of all that shit. Fucking done.

2:09:20Adam Schefter:At least we got college football. What about the bonus games that the boys worked hard for all season? Absolutely. They should turn them into high school showcase games because all the good players from these teams don't play. And then all the players who are still on the team probably won't even be on the team next year because they're going to transfer.

2:09:36Pat McAfee:But, and that bowl game provides another spotlight on a player to potentially transfer or for a team's coach to potentially move or for the team to look like their ass in a grander stage. But it's always for the gamblers. Isn't that always the thing? Well, bowl season will always exist because it always does ratings, and it will always have a lot of people invested because of the gambling. Let's go to one half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys in hammer. Done. Done. AP Tone. I haven't heard much about bowl season gambling or even watching habits, like what, the last two years basically, right? Have you?

2:10:11Pat McAfee:Is there going to be a – Yeah. What is kind of the convo of the change in perspective or change in, I guess, relevance of entire bowl season? What does it look like? Are they going to get? I don't think it's a like as far as gambling is concerned. I don't think the bowl season is affected at all. People are going to bet on it because it's a game and it's happening and it's on TV. And also people are going to do the same thing, mostly watching it. I assume the numbers are going to be down as far as watching it because, yes, the games don't matter as much. and eventually bowl season will probably end and die, especially once the college football playoff expands.

2:10:46But, you know, that's fine. I mean, it was great while it lasted.

2:10:48Pat McAfee:I'm a Gator Bowl champ. Go right. Okay? Yep. I'm a Monarchy Car Care Bowl champ. There you go.

2:10:54Adam Schefter:Go, Bo.

2:10:55Pat McAfee:West Virginia has been multiple-time Mayo Bowl champs. Mm-hmm. Okay? There's some Pop-Tart Bowl champs. And today we find out who the staff DNA Cure Bowl champion will be. I've been waiting for this one. Old Dominion at South Florida. South Florida favored by two and a half. That is what I mean. The FBI projection says South Florida should win by about 5.8 points. You're getting good points on the spread just from the prediction model to what the sportsbooks are saying. And then the 68 Ventures Bowl. This ain't 60 Ventures. This ain't 62. Not even 67. This is 68 Ventures Bowl. Louisiana favored by three against Delaware.

2:11:35Pat McAfee:where this is what we're talking about here with bowl season hell yeah you're saying people just bet on it because it exists yeah we had a team ride yesterday on jack state uh everyone in hammer downtown uh and they won because uh you could still win money off of these games the fpi also doesn't do the research on what quarterbacks and and the opt-outs and stuff like that so i wouldn't trust that fpi much are you guys breaking down oh yeah bowl season on hammer. Every single game. They should do the NIT. No, these guys? No. Hammered done? These bowl games, they should just do an NIT type tournament.

2:12:12Like if we're going to do a college football playoff, instead of doing random bowl games, do an NIT. It's more shitty bowl games. No! It's less.

2:12:24Pat McAfee:We are the not real champ. The same guys could opt out. There's the national champions, and there's the not real champions. You can have a New Year's Six bowl. You can end it on J-Rod 7. No, a rotating basis is a part of the – But, I mean, now we only have, what, two New Year's Six bowls? You're telling me Michigan, Texas doesn't deserve to be in the not actual champion, champion bowl? I think it should be. Jesus Bowl, by the way, always brings it. Still a great bowl. You know, the ReliaQuest bowl. It's a marquee bowl still. So, you know, those are the ones that we really can't get rid of. some of these other bullshit ones like the 68 Ventures one.

2:13:00We could probably see that. What about Staff DNA? Staff DNA, I've been juiced up for this one for a while because Old Dominion's quarterback is very good. Great run game. Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. That one is obviously everyone's going to be looking towards that. Byron Brown's not playing. No, he's not. Who isn't? Who's Byron Brown? Exactly. Exactly. That's South Florida. Boom. That's South Florida. I'm talking about Old Dominion. Old Dominion run game, unbelievable.

2:13:23Pat McAfee:Tone, it sounds like you're heavy on Old Dominion right now. Let's not tell too many people about what's happening with South Florida. Old Dominion's quarterback is also not playing because he's going to be one of the higher quarterbacks in the transfer portal. But their backup quarterback played in the last game last year, ran for over 200 yards. So, yeah, maybe I am high on Old Dominion. I don't know. And their coach isn't leaving. So you're saying shh.

2:13:45Adam Schefter:Who had the idea to have the bowl games at the beginning of the season? I think that was the best idea. Sorry, what? Yeah, start the season out. Kind of how college basketball does with some of the, you know, Big Ten versus AC or whoever. Just start out. First, like, if Texas and Ohio State had a bowl game to start the season out, okay, then that way the bowl games are still significant. You still get the sponsors. You still get the money. Everybody cares. All the players play. You got your coaches.

2:14:11Pat McAfee:Doesn't count towards the regular season. You just call yourself the champion going into the season.

2:14:15Adam Schefter:It'll help with, you know, rankings going into the rest of the season.

2:14:19Pat McAfee:And you'll be forced into playing a big game as opposed to being scared to playing one. No week zero. And if it gets understood like, hey, this is not your actual record. This is literally just bowl game you go into the season as this bowl champion. Then you can get the big names in these shitty bowls. Exactly. That's a good idea. I had not heard that. So it's like preseason. No, it's like qualies in F1. It's like the Maui Invitational in basketball.

2:14:41Adam Schefter:It's a good comparison.

2:14:44Pat McAfee:It is like the qualies, I guess. It is like the Maui Invitational. Invitational. It is like a preseason, but it's basically a bowl game of big significance. And then you go off the rankings off of that. Yeah. Wow.

2:14:58Adam Schefter:This is a good idea. I don't know who to give credit to, but it was somebody who would. Man, imagine the Mayo Bowl.

2:15:03Pat McAfee:Ohio State. Take it on Oregon. Okay. I'm sorry. It would have to be an SEC school. It wouldn't be Ohio State versus Oregon. Sorry. I apologize for getting that wrong. Ohio State and LSU. Oh, in the Pop-Tart Bowl.

2:15:15Adam Schefter:Yeah. Bingo. Oh, my God. Notre Dame still just skate on by and not play anybody and just get their ranking from everybody else.

2:15:22Pat McAfee:No, no. They would have to play. Syracuse. They would be in the Notre Dame Bowl. They'd be in the Notre Dame Bowl. Notre Dame people would be like, yeah, we can pay for something to be named after us? Yeah, we'll do that. The Notre Dame Bowl. We'll take on. Old Dominion. Bring them in. All right. That's not the reality of what their schedule is. Could run game. Yeah, exactly. The quarterback went for 200 last year. in the last game. All right, let's get to a break. We are the worst we know. We apologize. But some of this shit I'm so confused by. I turned on Washington and Boise State the other night after the Heisman they were playing a bowl game.

2:15:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, the LA Bowl. Banger. Wait, there's college football this weekend? All right.

2:16:05That was the LA Bowl. Oh. Yeah, I watched it. That was another one. It wasn't the only game.

2:16:09Pat McAfee:There was a lot of games. The first ever Xbox Bowl is tomorrow night. Okay. Now I will dial it up All Xboxes. Pretty cool. I think that is pretty cool that Xbox decided now to be in the bowl game. Wasn't it a PlayStation Fiesta Bowl? Yeah. That's what we played. Bowl gifts were the best. I got to admit. Bowl gifts when we were in college was the best. The kids realizing they all got Xboxes was actually awesome. I want to watch because of that. Xbox Bowl is Missouri State versus Arkansas State. You know, the Red Wolves. Fuck! They're favored by one and a half. They're all getting Xboxes. But you go to Myrtle Beach, you actually get an opportunity to go down to Senor Frogs and have a team meet.

2:16:48Pat McAfee:Yes, you do. That is worth way more than an Xbox. If you've lived it, you know it. Shout out to Senor Frogs. 11 a.m. kick. Yeah. In Myrtle Beach? Yeah. That's going to be tough to get to. That's going to be tough. Myrtle Beach is a good time place. That's what that is. That Senor Frogs was awesome. We had a time down there. We did. We had a time. Should we do the simulcast on Friday? From Senor Frogs? At 11 instead. Should. I'll tell you, that place was awesome. I've never been to a more hospitable place, a better time, for a short period of time. Okay, I was there for like three days for one of my college friends was having his bachelor party down there.

2:17:28Okay, we go down there and we just do Myrtle Beach.

2:17:30Pat McAfee:We have an Airbnb on the beach, which is obviously awesome. It's Myrtle Beach, so it's spectacular. It is a hilarious scene. And then boom, we went down to that little area of bars. I don't know, it's their version of the South Side. It's a good little hangout town. There's live music. Yeah, it's good. It's pretty good. A lot of golfing down there as well. And we ended up at Senor Frogs every night, just the whole time. And I was obviously, I was having a good time. I had a lot of money. Too much money. Should not have had the money that I had. I'm just buying shots for literally everybody in that place.

2:17:57Pat McAfee:From the first moment I get there to the last moment we leave. I was calling them team meetings. Team meeting, team meeting. Everybody. And it kind of got on. We go back two years later, I think, for AQs. Same exact setup. House on the beach. Awesome. Spectacular. We go to Senor Frogs. I walk in there. manager guy who's still there, eyes light up, and he goes, team meeting.

2:18:17Adam Schefter:And I'm like, yes, actually. And we do another damage.

2:18:23Pat McAfee:I'm talking three days down there. And I think I did it one more time, too, with somebody else. And it was like, team meeting. It's like, yes, we're doing it. Didn't you get poached from a Senor Frogs when you're on a cruise and you went to a party after? Yeah, and I missed the boat. I had to catch the boat at the next one. Yeah, Senor Frogs gets me. Senor Frogs, everybody knows what's going on there. Yeah, Senor Frogs, always a good time. Great place. Great place. Team meeting was real, though. Oh, yeah. We had a time. There could have been a little bit of an altercation at a place, too. And because of our relationship with Senor Frogs, the people that I would say lost the physical battle as well, also were told that they could never come back for the rest of the weekend because everybody's there for the weekend, golfing, doing whatever, not going on.

2:19:01Pat McAfee:So it's literally like a new group every single weekend. So I would like to let the Senor Frogs people. They might still be there. I have no idea. Same crew might still be running that place. Just know you guys do a great job. And we have, I'll say this for AQ and I, and I can say this amongst the others, we have gotten drunk in a lot of places around this world. And the Myrtle Beach one, one of the greatest in the history. I mean, we had a blast down there. Myrtle Beach Bowl, that's what we're talking about, though. Ohio State LSU, Myrtle Beach Bowl. At Myrtle. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

2:19:35Pat McAfee:I don't know if we can get that back. You don't think so, Nate? They're back? Is this this year? I know Marty McGee, a big part of their deal is they go down the boardwalk. They get the airbrushed t-shirts. They do the saltwater taffy. And then they call the game. So I'm hoping it's again this year. I don't like that there's nobody in the crowd. Okay. I need to change that around. Let me have them. They're watching the game from there. They'll get there. Yep. They got a good senior frogs there. Good little deck on the back on the outside too. See? That might be it right there. There they are. Airbrushed t-shirts.

2:20:07Saltwater taffy.

2:20:09Pat McAfee:Let's get to a break. What we're saying is more football is good football, but if the football is shit football, it's okay for the good of football to not have that football.

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2:20:54Pat McAfee:Football! It is magical. That's A.J. Hawk. I like that. Talks with tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler, host of Everything DB, Good D, Bad D, which we will see in a matter of moments. and 12-year NFL vet Super Bowl champion A.Q. Shipley is here. A.Q., it's Wednesday, which means it's time to learn which offensive lines were good, which offensive lines were bad. Let's go to the top five performing offensive lines of week 15 in the trenches of A.Q. Shipley. Who's the number five performing offensive line? The Rams. Congratulations to the number one team in the NFC.

2:21:28I love this group right now, and I love the two-headed monster they have with Kyron Williams and Blake Corham, but their offensive line has been fantastic. Great in pass, bro. Great in the run game. Simple outside zone play here to the right. I love this pull around by the center. You cut the defense. You get that. And then all of a sudden, there goes Kyron Williams. 70-plus yards for him. 70-plus yards for Blake Corham each in the last couple weeks.

2:21:51Pat McAfee:So I think what the Rams wanted to do initially is just punch the Lions in the mouth. And they walked right down and right through this Detroit Lions team. But it's not just the Lions they were able to do. It seems like they do it to a lot of teams. McVay's team, Stafford MVP favorite. They are not scared to pound the rock, though. No, and he does a great job. I think he takes a look at what the defense is doing on the first drive of the game. Like last week against the Cardinals, they come out and they go dime because they think the Rams are just going to throw the ball all over the yard. They come out and dime.

2:22:20He just starts pounding the rock, and they just, boom, 10 yards, 10 yards, 10 yards. Boom, break one, and then all of a sudden you get a touchdown.

2:22:26Pat McAfee:And then against the Lions. Do the same thing. Basically do the same thing. Wow, Foxy, it's tough times this year. You're on the receiving end of that. And Matthew Stafford always going to have a little bit of spite towards the Detroit Lions with how that all went down.

2:22:37JJ Watt:Yeah, I'll tell you what. Everyone's talking about Stafford, Puka, Devontae in that game. The run game impressed me more than anything. The Lions all year long have been really good against the run, except for in that game right there, which proves how good the Rams really are. The Lions, too, are just like the Chargers. They're always snake bit by injury, it feels like. It's too much to overcome against the teams like the Rams who are at the top of the league.

2:22:59Pat McAfee:Who's the number four performing offensive line from week 15? The Philadelphia Eagles are back in the mix. Way to go. Everything's up and to the right. 31 zip. Yeah, big shout out to Fred Johnson. He's been filling in for Lane Johnson very admirably. But here's why I wanted to put this play on. Could have shown a bunch of other runs, but this is why. Their empty run package has been one of the best over the years. If you remember back to when Jason Kelsey was there, they would do the draw. They would do all the different things out of empty. They got back to it a little bit this week. Jalen Hurts hasn't run it very much, but here you go.

2:23:28You get the empty package. You get the draw. Get him out in space. This is what they need to do moving forward towards the playoffs.

2:23:35Pat McAfee:Third and 12 here. So, obviously, the Raiders want to drop everybody. That's why they don't have a massive hole on the defensive line right in front of where the quarterback is. They were looking for an obvious pass situation. 100%. They think it's passed. But, again, this is what they can do, and this is what Jalen Hurts can do. But also, if you guys haven't noticed, the Raiders have been on the receiving end of this almost every week all season. So bad. Yeah. Not good. So bad. I thought it was Tom Brazier. You just got to give Pete some time to get his guys in there. Well, he has his guys. He fired them all.

2:24:05Oh, yeah, that's a good point. New guys, though. His second patch is always his best patch. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. He's gone. We assume. Yeah. So what are they? Well, I mean, there's a guy they might get at the top of the draft that might turn that whole entire place around. Oh, Mendoza is so good at football. He's got power. I mean, we talked about Mahomes and Kelsey. All the Raiders need is a quarterback for that Brock Bowers fellow. They need five guys up front, period. Allegedly, the rookie they just put in is really, really good, and the O-line coach has been holding him back the whole entire year, and I don't even want to go into the O-line.

2:24:44The third-round pick, yeah. He's done a good job, and Colton Miller is their best offensive lineman. He's been out for injuries, so maybe not five, maybe three. Chicago did that one offseason. Go get three, just like Chicago. Patriots did as well.

2:24:54Pat McAfee:Tom Brady obviously is around there, so we assume sound decisions will be made, but they've struck out on everything they did this year. I mean, that is a clean sweep, you know. It's just like with the Jets. Everybody's like, they got a lot of opportunity to make the right decision and kind of fix this entire thing next year. It's like, they already picked Justin Fields, didn't they? That didn't work. The owner came out and was like, we don't even have a quarterback on the football field. So, I mean, that whole thing. So, we assume they'll get it right. We assume Tom Brady will get it right. AJ, is that what we assume?

2:25:24Yeah, we assume. I guess the question is, how long does it take? I don't know. How's...

2:25:28Pat McAfee:No, not getting into it. What's that? You've got to get your franchise quarterback first, but yeah, you definitely should finish your thought. How's what? Nope. Looks like it was going to be a good question. It was going to be very good. Well, I was just going to say, I assume Tom Brady gets it right because that's just what Tom Brady does. I'm not assuming that anymore. TB12 went big, right? Yeah. Big into the... Into the Noble brand, right? Mm-hmm, yep. I mean, there's no guarantee. I guess there's no guarantee. I mean, Michael Jordan was the owner of a basketball squad. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

2:26:01He's not playing. He's not coaching. Shit, he's not. I mean, how often is he actually there? Well, we heard he was pretty invested.

2:26:08Pat McAfee:In the offseason. And then the season started, and he's got his job with Fox. So it's like, how much is he? I mean, I assume he owns a piece of the team, so he's probably involved to some degree. But he has a full-time job with Fox. We assume Tom Brady will figure it out. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Whoa! It was a quiet room right there. You didn't say anything. You didn't say anything. I want to.

2:26:32Adam Schefter:I do too. To Ty's point, he's not there. If you told me Tom was going to be there every day, 100%. 100 % he'd figure it out. But doing this and being a part owner and maybe being there more in the offseason, I don't see it.

2:26:44Pat McAfee:This man had his hands inside of your thighs. Love him. Thank you, Shipley. But he's not there during the season. Not there during the season. And you've got to fix the offensive line. If they fix the offensive line, they'll be all right. And you get Fernando Mendoza. Maybe he starts – who's calling the plays, though? Well, I think that's the biggest thing for me. Like, I think he screwed up hiring Pete Carroll. Chip. That was the – and Chip, yeah. Like, that was the staff itself. Like, I think if he gets – And this guy. Who's that? The offensive line guy. Oh, Jesus. I knew you were taking it.

2:27:19That's Pete's son. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, come on. It's Christopher Carroll. I didn't see him.

2:27:24Pat McAfee:Oh, there he is. There he is right there. What's that? What is that? He's Undertaker? That's what he was doing the whole interview. You haven't seen this video? No. No. No idea what you're talking about. Yes, everybody's seen it. Everybody. I have not seen it. We talked about it weeks ago. No. It feels like you might have had good conversations about this. I think I watched it with Connor. I don't really watch stuff. The guy, I'm watching the video down on the small screen. Maybe we did see this a long time ago. It's when he was blinking, but he wasn't really there. You know, everybody operates differently on camera.

2:27:57Pat McAfee:That's what – he looks like Dwight Schrute's brother. Yeah, whatever the case, you're saying a whole new O-line is needed. Yeah, a whole new offensive staff, I think, is where we're heading. And then, obviously, they get rid of McMahon as well, special teams, a whole new operation. They haven't fired their defensive coordinator yet, even though their defense fucking sucks too. 31 zip right there and always end up on the receiving end of the best offensive lines in the league. Yep. They'll figure it out. They're Max Crosby's here and Brock Bowers. Gentry. You got an O-line. You got Gentry as well.

2:28:25Pat McAfee:They could turn that around, I think. That's a special place. Could be a special place. We're saying a lot of things.

2:28:29Adam Schefter:Defense, offense, staff. Special three, four new O-line, franchise quarterback. I mean, that's one good offseason.

2:28:36Pat McAfee:Tom Brady. Yeah. He could do it. Sure. Tom Brady could do it if he's more hands-on. Con man said he believes. I do. I believe in Tom Brady as well. All right, let's go to the number three performing offensive line out of week 15. Houston, Texas, I thought they were just a good defense. They're starting to get better. They're starting to get better on the offensive line. Big Trent Brown playing well. He's about 400 pounds out there. Big number 77 right there at the right tackle. This is old school duo. Best play in football. Watch this hole open up right between center and guard. Look at that thing.

2:29:05Woody Marks. This guy's unbelievable before he got hurt. Scored an unbelievable touchdown on a fake, what do you want to call it? Fake snap. But what's the snap? But pretty awesome. But this is the best play in football. All the teams that are going to play in the playoffs are good at this particular play because you get double teams and it's a physical football play.

2:29:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, and you've got to be able to just move men. You've got to be able to move men. This is a powerful football play. This is showcasing what you are, I guess. And we talk about the Raiders always being on this. It feels like the Cardinals also are because AQ sees it live and in person. He goes, wow, this team is actually pretty good whenever I'm watching them play against this Cardinals team. Is that potentially the case? Is it the Cardinals? because I saw Calais Campbell block a kick, and then I obviously saw them lose by 20 again. But is it the D-line, or the Houston Texans offensive line is for real against whoever they're playing?

2:29:55Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. I think the Cardinals have really gone downhill in defense the last couple of weeks, so they've been on here, obviously, on the receiving end the last couple of weeks. But I think this Houston Texans team up front has gotten better. They've got the run game going. They like Woody Marks. They released Damian Pierce, who I used to really like as a running back because they like Woody Marks, the rookie running back. And then, obviously, C.J. Stroud's been really good. They're starting to get rolling right at the right time. Bless you.

2:30:23Pat McAfee:That was from the soul right there. Congratulations on being voted the number two local booth in the entire NFL. Wow, congrats. Thank you. Thank you. There's about 35 different commentary teams that were scored because some teams have a rotating crew that call the local radio version of NFL games. Really, the backbone, I think, of the NFL is the local crew. Because back in the day, that was the only way you could really follow your team. They were the voice of the team. They told the story of the team in which your town had. Myron Cope, obviously, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is a huge piece of the Pittsburgh Steelers story.

2:31:03Pat McAfee:But it's also a huge piece of our lives whenever we were growing up. And how he decided to call a game and what he decided to point out was what everybody knew. So you stepping in and doing it in one year. and it doesn't matter who's doing the voting and whether or not we have any respect for them as a group, but the fact that there is voting and you end up being second as opposed to anywhere else, you should be incredibly proud of, especially for your first year. Thank you. Congratulations. Appreciate that. You're not ass. Try not to be. I guess there's some real ass teams out there. Sounds like it.

2:31:33Pat McAfee:From the read-up. I guess there's some really terrible stuff. I guess. We only hear it in the preseason, remember? That's a showcase. Preseason is when we're going to find out about you because the local teams do a lot of the games. So whenever we're watching preseason games, we hear the local crew. And, boy, some of them are fucking terrible. But we're going to have a gift whenever you're on our team. Well, it's also the hardest time to call games because there's 90 guys on the roster. So you're trying to learn all these names of guys who probably aren't going to be there. It's a little tougher.

2:31:59Ever's ever been higher. A little tougher in the preseason. That's big, too. NFL, like, got to know the names.

2:32:05Adam Schefter:You got to know where they are. Oh, yeah. You got to know what's sitting there. You got to know that shit.

2:32:09Pat McAfee:Yeah, you got to know an insider. Especially if you're the local guy. we are coming to you. You are the one that is supposed to know. So we would like you to know we're proud of you. We're happy for you. And we're happy you're not ass out there. Thank you. No problem. Speaking of not ass, who's the number two offensive line coming out of week 15? Yeah, these next two certainly aren't. Number two, the Chicago Bears. Wow! Yeah, I really like this group. Obviously, Caleb Williams played fantastic in this game, but the run game is continuing to impress. It starts up front with a Ben Johnson team. Let's watch this outside zone here to the right.

2:32:40We're going to send 81 in motion. He serves as the fullback. Let's run that back one more time. Look at big Darnell Wright. He's going to work with Colston Loveland on the combo. He's got to peek inside because that's his backer. You have to just get a little shoulder on him. Open that big hole. Swift does the rest. See you. Keep him moving to get in the end zone.

2:32:56Pat McAfee:Miles Garrett had seven sacks, but I understand that the Chicago Bears offensive line is getting better. They invested in it in the offseason, and it's a necessity, right, for this offense that Ben Johnson runs. Yeah, they've been fantastic. I think Joe Tooney's having as good a year as he's ever had, and he's one of the best to ever do it. I think obviously what they've done in bringing in three new guys in the middle and then what Darnell Wright has turned into, in my opinion, he's the best right tackle in football right now. Ben Johnson's offensive calling and play design help offensive lineman or how do you think he gets three new people to buy in so quickly and gel together?

2:33:29It's very similar to what Shanahan and McVay do. They do such a good job. It's all this right there. You get people to bump. You create new leverage. You get people to bump out of the box. And then you create leverage where everybody's working back. So everything that he does with the window dressing, with the shifts, with the motions, it helps the boys up front. And then you're always working back to a guy instead of working out leveraged to the frontside guy.

2:33:50Pat McAfee:So maybe the Raiders try to find somebody like Ben Johnson's offense, but is there anybody like Ben Johnson? I mean, Shanahan and McVay are as good as they come, but they're completely different than what Ben Johnson's doing. He's creative, but he also does a fantastic job of setting things up. It's very similar to McVay. And Shanahan does the same thing. So those three are pretty good. You're saying different style offenses. Different style offenses, but they all do a great job. If you watch just the film, I mean, you know this, it's different than watching the TV copy, because now you can get a feel for how they sequence their plays.

2:34:19And if you watch it, it's like, oh, okay, play four, they did this. Play nine, they did this, but that's off of play four. Then you see play 16, and it was something off of play four, a little different than nine, got to a different formation, but all of a sudden on play 15, they got to what they wanted to get.

2:34:34Pat McAfee:So that's Luke Kuechly earlier saying, And whenever somebody does something, you have to start thinking like, wait, why did they show us that? They're looking to do something else. These guys do this actively and every single week. Absolutely. And I think I've heard a great quote from Shanahan one time where it said that he's watching the linebackers. And all he's doing is watching the linebackers on all of the runs early. And when he sees the linebackers fully commit to the run, that's when the play-action pass comes. Yeah, we got to wait until we get them on the hook. Yep. We got to wait until we get them sucked up, AJ.

2:35:03Pat McAfee:All they're trying to do is Shanahan was just eyeballing you the whole time seeing if he got you sucked up or not. Yeah, he's smart. I tell you what, though. You get a few good 8, 10, 12-yard runs early in the game, you're going to suck those linebackers up very quick. Yeah, those long ones get sucked up quick because you have to respect it. Jeez. Have to. And you used to stick your nose up in there, too, didn't you? I mean, you had to. I mean, yeah, a good hard run fake will get you sucked up, no question. And you – because you don't want another long one coming down. You don't want another one of those.

2:35:36Pat McAfee:You don't want one of those. No, you throw your head up in there and you're screwed, man. See ya. Oh, I didn't even think about getting screwed in this entire thing. Jeez, Luis. You're right. I guess one thing leads to –

2:35:49Pat McAfee:Who's the number one offensive line in week 15 of the NFL season? The Buffalo Bills. Shut up, Buffalo Bills. Wow, AFC East, Wayne Supreme. Fuck, man. Yeah, the interesting thing was New England was right there until they end up blowing this game because they had a great performance up front as well. But you take a look at this. Remember what we talked about earlier, that duo play? Remember when we watched what the Buffalo Bills did to the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple weeks ago? It was that duo play. Guess what? When push comes to shove and they need something, give it to Cook on the duo play. Look at the boys open up that hole.

2:36:19Osiris Torrance has been fantastic. Backside guard David Edwards, great job opening that thing up. Spencer Brown, all the boys up front have been fantastic.

2:36:27Pat McAfee:AJ, how's this stoppable? What happens here? Because it feels like there's pretty good thuds, pretty good contact. It's just all – it works. Go ahead. Safety's got to make a tough tackle in space to get downhill. But, yeah, you've got to somehow – you've got to find a way to get – I don't know. I mean, they do a decent job building a wall there for the Patriots. But, yeah, look, safety's got to be down instantly making a play. Foxy, can you pause it right there? Okay, so if you pause it right there, obviously the hole's front side. And he hits it exactly where he's supposed to hit it. It's a front side A gap between center and guard play.

2:36:56But here's the thing. If you run this play over and over and over again, then what happens is see that backside linebacker and the top left of that circle that's holding like this on the backside guard? Well, then they start to get a little bit nosy. They play over the top. Remember a couple weeks ago I said the juiciest cut in football? It's that backside A gap, B gap right there, and that's what happens. You get them to bite and get nosy over the top, and then boom, you hit it out the backside.

2:37:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, but D-Bud, he can't get sucked up there as a safety because then they'll drop one over top of him, right?

2:37:25Adam Schefter:No, it's tough down in the corner if he does that, but you got to show up and be that extra guy, fill that alley, as we call it. But, I mean, it's a one-on-one tackle with James Cook in the open field. And James Cook, what, he just get paid 20-something million dollars a year? Like, he's not getting paid that money. Or not that much, but a bunch of money to break tackles in the open field, so that's what he's going to do.

2:37:44Pat McAfee:James Cook is a very good player.

2:37:45Adam Schefter:Unbelievable. Phenomenal. He's an unbelievable football player. They got as good of blocking tight ends as they have in the league, too. They drafted Jackson Hawes, who's fantastic. Knox has been fantastic.

2:37:53Pat McAfee:Hawes and Hawes. Yeah. They're great. They've been great. Congrats to the top five performing offensive lines on week 15. Those are really good football teams. All those teams very much alive. All those teams can very much win at Lombardi. At this stage, what AQ Shipley's saying is it's going to be the Buffalo Bills. Unless he does what he did last year, which is put the team that has the best offensive line at one, and then say, well, actually, it's going to be the fourth best offensive line that's going to win it all. And then we're saying, well, why are we judging what the offensive lines are saying then if it's not the one and it's going to be the four?

2:38:23Pat McAfee:And he said, well, it's not just the offensive line that's playing. It's like, well, that's kind of the entire point of the whole thing. You remember that? I do, yeah. He put the Eagles at one but didn't think they were going to win the Super Bowl because you hate Jalen Hurts. So you couldn't even take the victory lap on you having the Philadelphia Eagles as the best offensive line and winning the Super Bowl because you were contradicting yourself throughout a majority of the season. It's because I celebrated early when I FaceTimed you guys last year. Stafford was getting ready to drive for the game-winning touchdown, and then he got sacked twice.

2:38:48You guys remember that? You guys were all watching. Yeah, we were in Atlanta. I said, here we go.

2:38:52Pat McAfee:Watch, here it goes. Jalen Carr. And then you guys called me back like two minutes later like, what the hell happened? Did you do that also for a certain college football game? Yeah, Penn State-Indiana game. Yeah, I was trying to really early celebrate that one. Yeah, you were. And I think I actually said to you, Mendoza is about to walk down the field. That's exactly what you said. And he actually did. It was awesome to watch. I didn't know if the kid had it in him. I didn't know if Mendoza had it in him. A hundred and some thousand. Okay, still showing up to those games, right? Yeah. The Colt very much there.

2:39:18Pat McAfee:Penn State has talent everywhere. That could be very good. Could say, oh, maybe they're front runners. They just haven't had to lead a lot. So now they're going to put them away. It's like Mendoza stands there, takes a seven-yard sack first play. All right, let's rattle it off, boys. You know, I assume that's exactly what Mendoza said. Right back in next play. And then he delivers in crunch time, which would then go on to lead to be the only undefeated team in college football, the number one seed in the entire country. Heisman winner, number one overall pick. What a moment. And you were fucking trying to think it wasn't going to happen.

2:39:52I mean, if that dipshit DB would have just pushed him out the back of the end zone. He tried. He tried. What the hell are we doing here? He tried. There was a play in an NFL game this week where I saw it, and I FaceTimed my dad. My dad's like, if only that Penn State guy would have done that. Yeah, immediately. Always going to think about that.

2:40:06Pat McAfee:Terry Smith could have had a couple more wins. Yeah, and they might be playing in the Xbox Bowl. Or the Mayo Bowl. Sure. Either of these bowls. They're playing in a bowl game. What? Penn State? Penn State's in the Pinstripe Bowl. Yeah. Versus Clemson. Yankee Stadium. How many wins do you guys have? Six and six. Wow, you guys got ball eligible. Yeah, Terry Smith brought it back three in a row at the end. Is Matt Campbell coaching that or is Terry coaching it? Terry's coaching. As you should. Send him out. And he's remaining on staff. Highest paid assistant, college football. That's a non-coordinator.

2:40:33Congratulations, Terry.

2:40:34Pat McAfee:You earned it. Western Pennsylvania. Smart man. Should have opted out of that. You got the boys together. What's that?

2:40:37Adam Schefter:Terry should have opted out of that one. Oh, the Penn State ball? Yeah. It's a play in the outfield at Yankee Stadium, dude. Exactly. Babe Ruth. Exactly. Penn State we're talking about. Yeah, Babe Ruth. Fuck it. Mickey Mantle.

2:40:48Pat McAfee:They played in that stadium? The Pinstripe Bowl heard that Penn State was playing. They heard that they were playing, and they were just thanking God. The conversations behind them were like, no way Penn State accepts this, right? No way. Well, Clemson, too. Think of that storyline. Those were two top five preseason teams. Penn State's going to sell out that stadium, though. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. The Pinstripe Bowl was like, tell Penn State it's a good idea. Tell them it's a good idea. Because their natural instinct is going to be, no, we're not going to play in this Pinstripe Bowl. So you've got to go in there and tell them it's good.

2:41:17Pat McAfee:It's good. It's good. But really, for us, this is our only option to sell this fucker up. Last year, we had 15 % occupancy in this fucking thing. It was the most empty the Yankee Stadium has ever been. So if we can somehow get Penn State to think it's a good idea, that would be great for our business. Somebody went in there and was like, one more game for Terry Smith. That's it. They did it. And you guys are going to fill that place up. Yeah, I think nine of our guys have already opted out of the game, though. Yeah, but Penn State people will fill this fucker up. For sure. Because that is literally the amount of Penn State people in New York, I assume.

2:41:48Yeah, that's 80 % of our demographic.

2:41:52Pat McAfee:Oh, good for the pinstripe bowl. See, that's what I'm talking about. That's good business. We need whoever's running a pinstripe bowl that was able to talk Penn State into doing this. That person needs to be doing more in the conversation of making things happen. Now, you were talking about who played in that stadium, who didn't play in that stadium. Yeah. The great Bambino. None of those guys played. New Yankee Stadium is fairly new. So there really isn't any of the rich history tradition that I was referring to, which is probably why every single year the Pinstripe Bull is like, all right, let's just fucking get Rutgers in here.

2:42:24They're 6-6. We've got enough people close enough in Piscataway. Maybe you can't come to Yankee Stadium in the summer. They won't come see you in the winter. So that'll work. So I would agree. I'm sure they are absolutely thrilled. And it was probably the president. Allegedly the president just knows what she's doing up in Penn State. She was probably the one that said, you know what? I know where we should play because I know where everyone will come. New York. Pinstripe bowl.

2:42:47Pat McAfee:I do wonder if they negotiated a percentage of the ticketing sales. Like, hey, we get a percentage of the ticket sales, though, because we are going to fill your pinstripe bowl up. So congratulations to you guys. There's a chance that that's happening. Good business up there, Penn State. A lot of good business.

2:42:59Adam Schefter:Surprise. Matt Ruhle. He won it last year. Let's check in with Matt Ruhle later. Beat up Boston. We just saw him. He's out of the box. Oh, yeah. Good point. Might be rolling around. Yeah. We got a wrap, right? Yeah. Yeah. On his Jeep. Yeah. Clean four-wheeler. Like a side-by-side. Golf cart. On rules highs. It's not a golf cart. It's definitely not a golf cart, Fox. That was a golf cart. It's a UTV. Utility. Ultra. Terrain. Not an ATV. Side-by-side, I would call it. Four-wheeler? No, that's a four-wheeler. Like a Can-Am. Side-by-side. Yeah, like a Can-Am type.

2:43:34Pat McAfee:So, where we come from, quad. Yeah. It's quad. Some people call that a four-wheeler, though. I call that a four-wheeler. That's what I call a four-wheeler. Okay, so you guys call that a four-wheeler. We call it quad. Side-by-side is the two-seater with the trailer in the back. A little truck bed. Yeah, a little truck bed. What do you call the, I call it a four-wheeler, the one that's like a little outdoor car. There's two seats in the back, two in the front. It's like a little buggy-looking thing, but it's awesome. What do you call it? Is that like a Can-Am type dune buggy situation, you're thinking?

2:44:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, like a souped up. This is a golf cart in my eyes. Let me see. I was used to call it a Gator because that was like the John. Yeah. So the Gator, for me, the Gator is the back thing. Can you pull up a. You're saying doesn't have a bed behind it at all. Yes. Yeah, I'm saying the seats are in that instead. So it's a four-seater. I would call this one for rule of side-by-side purse because it's a two-seater with a truck bed in the back, basically is what this one is once they get to it. Once they get to it. Oh, my God. You got a ways to go here. Yeah, this is an awesome all-terrain vehicle in my eyes.

2:44:52Pat McAfee:This is an incredible usage around if you have any property. That's side-by-side. I call that one a side-by-side as well. Four-wheeler is the one that I... the little car. It's like a... forget it. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I thought like a Polaris Razor. Razor, like a Razor, yes, like one of those. Yeah. That's what you're calling like the little mini car thing. Yeah, four-wheel. But they call these four-wheelers, which are quads. Yeah, I call it quads too. I love quads. Me too. I love quads. I'm a big quad guy. We say all the same stuff because it's Pittsburgh. We were talking about that.

2:45:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, but we learned we're wrong, I think. Everybody else. Actually, everybody else. That's right. Vernacular. Have you heard about Kennywood's upgrade? Did you see what I posted? I mean, that roller coaster is not Kennywood, first of all. That thing's unbelievable. Yeah, they put it in a dome like they did down there in Disney World. That's at Kennywood? They're building it right now. Zero chance. That's a two-seater razor. Yeah, this would be a two-seater razor. I would call this four-wheeler as well, but there's four-seaters of these. That's more of like a dune buggy sport type thing. Matt Rule's thing is not exactly a work thing.

2:45:53I have a side-by-side with a snow plow that I recently got, and I've been dominating the snow recently. We've had two different snows where I've plowed four or five different driveways.

2:46:01Pat McAfee:Do you got to put sandbags in the back of that thing, though, to give you a little bit more weight on the wheels there to keep that thing? I probably should. I probably should, but it's actually enough heavy duty right now that I haven't had to put anything in the back. These bad boys right there, these things, wide ass open, good times. These are fast. These are dangerous. Me and Nick almost died in one of these in the woods of Indiana. Almost died. Almost flipped that thing pretty quickly. You got it, though. Saved it. Beer saved. Shouldn't be doing it, by the way. Should not be doing any of the things that we were doing.

2:46:31Pat McAfee:zero seat belts flying through woods wide open we're turning to the left around a tree okay got it no problem better in this thing maybe we even do a little fishtail on this thing maybe a little bit of drift very comfortable with car very comfortable with this thing had been driving it a pretty good amount and i think we were uh i'd say pretty tuned up at a couple pops so pretty comfortable and confident basically anything at the time which is part of the problem i'm not saying others should do this ever he shouldn't we go around there and then we catch a groove and that thing goes up on two wheels oh no we we work that thing back okay now we're going back the other way now we're up on two wheels the other way now i put leg out okay i'm gonna save life and force i'm gonna save us i'm gonna save us in this thing pretty much the only thing we couldn't afford to lose in that moment was legs legs out in this thing because it gets up on this wheel cut it back we get back on to all four wheels and we stop stop and there's a we look at each other pretty big whole boy no seat belts either of us they certainly have full rigs that you're supposed to have on and uh there was crew of uh great hill jacks i'll say great so great out great people indiana boys yeah indiana boys they were indiana boys we were with out there and they just looked at it like wow you know one of those and then it was an immediate beer we're right back into it and then we're supposed to just keep going as if that didn't happen and We did, I would say.

2:47:55Pat McAfee:We had to power along to showcase for Western Pennsylvania. But those things are awesome. Those are the coolest things in the woods, if you can get those. Because it does feel as if you're untouchable in those. But you're not. Know that you can die. Some of them have the full cage. We're like, you can roll and just boom, boom, boom. Oh, yeah. This had full cage. This had full cage. Oh, nice. We had no seatbelt on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that almost makes it worse. Because now you're... Bounce around the cage. Fracking your neck. Now you're in the entire... It was a bad idea. We immediately, this one right here.

2:48:26Pat McAfee:Immediately, yep, I think we need to. And I'm going to stop doing that. Shut the beard down real quick. Let's go ahead and let's get through this the rest of the day. That was quite a buzzkill going forward. I like the way the outdoors people live, though. Like those quads, this thing should go 70, 80, 90 miles an hour. The best. It's like, holy fuck. Then he gets some of these ingenuitive,

2:48:53Pat McAfee:southerns, outdoors, I don't know what to call them. Obviously break off the governor. We're not going to do that. But then the way they're able to soup these things up to go speeds that there's no way the body of these, the frame of these things is supposed to go. The center of gravity is nowhere near low enough for the car to be, or whatever, to be going that fast. And then the sound of it is just, wide ass open. It's like, you guys have a good time out here. Jesus fucking Christ.

2:49:16JJ Watt:Souping it up is actually a big part of the hobby to them, I think. They like doing that more than writing it almost.

2:49:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, then cleaning it afterwards and then fixing it afterwards. It's a whole part of the process. It's a wind down. There's some music. It's a whole thing. Yeah. We need to start doing that. We should do that. We live in Indiana. We can do that. We need to do that for Bluey anyways. That's the only way we're going to be able to get that fucker tired. We're going to have to be on quads running him and circle. We're going to have to tag in and out just doing laps around this place. You think you'll be able to take care of Blue maybe whenever you come out here, AQ? Sure. Are you a dog person? I was a dog person.

2:49:45Pat McAfee:Now you're a full cat. Full cat. Two cats. That's great. Dan Orlovsky said he hates cats, didn't he? He did say that. Dan Orlovsky. Makes sense. I mean, cats are the coolest thing on earth. You can't say you hate cats if you've never had cats. Coolest on earth. Would you agree? I like cats. I'm sneaky. I'm not going to get into it. Coolest on earth is a little much. I'm going to say that we got to tell Orlovsky that you just said that he. Nah, please. I mean, they're going to beat your fucking ass. They're.06 % DNA away from a lion. I mean, what are we talking about here, people? Yeah, I agree.

2:50:20Pat McAfee:Hey, living room lion, bro. It's a real deal. .06. You're a big stats guy now. I watched exactly what he just said. Lion in my living room documentary on Netflix a couple years ago. And showcases how they can land on their feet all the time and how athletic they are and how agile. Arlovsky doesn't want to hear it. He's done with your shit. All right. Let's wrap up this glorious Wednesday by learning about the defensive side of the ball. It's always such a magical thing to be able to hear what's good and what's bad in Good D, Bad D, presented by Everything DB and Darius Butler.

2:50:50Adam Schefter:We'll start in Chicago, and they've been on here a ton leading the NFL in interceptions. CJ GJ has had some good games. He had a rough game against the Packers, but he's had some good games outside of that. This is great disguise against the rookie, Shador Sanders. If you start running back from the beginning, Foxy, starting on the line of scrimmage, showing middle close, and going to get to a covered three, three deep, four underneath. He is the flat defender. And when you start up on the line of scrimmage with this disguise, it is very important that you get width just as much as you get your depth because that width actually becomes your depth.

2:51:24Adam Schefter:So you'll see him as he gets wider. He continues to climb against Fanning, junior to tight end here. Climbs, fools the quarterback, jumps up, high points the ball. Great job by CJ DJ. Veteran play, fooling the rookie quarterback.

2:51:37Pat McAfee:I love the fact that the Chicago Bears are being celebrated on in the trenches and everything DB every week. If you want to win, these are two places you would like to be showcased at. And Ben Johnson, once again, has been able to establish this as just a normal thing for this Bears team when this has not been normal for, what, the course of their entire existence.

2:52:02Adam Schefter:Long time. I mean, we saw them in the Super Bowl. It was at 06. And kind of since then, they haven't been a great team. But when they were in the Super Bowl, they had a great defense. So you got a defense that's feasting on turnovers. And their best linebacker is getting healthy, so he'll be activated soon with Edmonds. But their DBs have been great. Byer, we see him on here a bunch. Wright, Jalen Johnson, he had an interception as well. He's finding his form. So, yeah, they're hitting on all the cylinders. And if you're in Chicago, if you're in this division, you want to be able to run the football, obviously, and you want to be able to take the football away.

2:52:32Adam Schefter:That's always a great recipe for success.

2:52:33Pat McAfee:Stealing possessions is good news. The weather's going to get bad. How can you do? Wait a minute. Let's see another good D it looks like from EverythingDB. Hell yeah.

2:52:41Adam Schefter:This is what you kind of visualized, I believe, last Friday with the reigning defensive player of the year, Patrick Sertain. And right here is quarters coverage. Now, worth some opportunities for the Rams to be on here, but they gave up a couple touchdowns against the Lions, both in quarters coverage, both with a post. And the reason you see that route against quarters coverage, you'll see right here with the leverage. We talk about leverage a lot. Patrick Sertan is going to be outside leverage against the post. Pause it here. So, quarters coverage, the safety, he's reading number two. So, you run it back to beginning.

2:53:12Adam Schefter:His number two blocks. And when you're tight end blocks, that kind of sits you down. You become a part of the run fit, right? Because if they do run this ball, he has a gap. He's kind of that half man in the box. When they don't run, when it's the play action, now as that safety is your responsibility to be underneath that number one receiver. You should take away the curl. You should be underneath the curl route. underneath the dig route, and then it'll be underneath the post route as well. So the corner, you're going to be outside and over the top, and then in a perfect world, you'll be able to undercut and make this play.

2:53:42Adam Schefter:Christian Watson, obviously a Blazer, one of the fastest receivers in the league. If you let it run here, you've got to have confidence. You've got to have speed. So I'm just putting the head down, then get back, track the ball, and go up and make a phenomenal play on the football.

2:53:53Pat McAfee:This Denver Broncos team's everything on the defensive side that we thought they'd be. And how come Vance doesn't really get talked about for head coaching much?

2:54:00Adam Schefter:I think he will. I think people have been around balls since that 70-point game he gave up against the Dolphins. This defense has been, obviously, with the sack numbers, they've been on a record pace. And then they got guys on the back end that can cover. Hufango was a great signing coming over. But Sertan, obviously, his season has been kind of shortened with the injury. He set out some games. Riley Moss, he got an interception on the tip ball on the crossing route. But he's a very good cover man as well. And then the guys up front, they mix it up and they'll get after you all game long. So there'll be a tough team to beat with Bo Nix playing how he's playing.

2:54:32Adam Schefter:Very similar to what Caleb Woods. Caleb probably had his best outing of the year as far as throwing the football. If they can find their footed, Bo had his best outing of the year on offense as well. So they're clicking on the right cylinders at the right time. There's a chance, too. Like, Vance might fall into that Josh McDaniels bucket where it's like, hey, I've done the head coach thing. Like, I got the best defense in the NFL and Sean Payton, Sertain. Yeah, you got the Waltons who can pay me as much as Sean Payton says. or I want, like, the Broncos and Patriots both might have their offensive and defensive guys kind of set for the forward and young quarterbacks.

2:55:05Adam Schefter:Like, hold on. Yeah, hold on, Broncos.

2:55:08Pat McAfee:Hold on, Patriots. Congrats to the Broncos defense getting showcased yet again. Oh, is this good?

2:55:14Adam Schefter:Another team who's been on here a ton, the Los Angeles Chargers. Now, typically they play a ton of zone coverage, I believe still in the top of the National Football League when it comes to zone coverage. Derwin James, this is Gardner Minshew now in at this point. had to try to drive and get him down. Almost pro bowler. Almost got us to the playoffs. And got thrown, obviously, in the end, at the end of the game. Wanted to get in the position for a field goal and tie this thing, maybe get an OT or maybe try to go down and win it. So you got Travis Kelsey matched up on Derwin James. They've seen a ton of each other year in and year out been in that division.

2:55:46Adam Schefter:Just a great job of maintaining his outside leverage from the beginning. You'll see it better from the other angle. Kelsey tries to give him a head fake to the inside. Doesn't fall forward. Keeps his leverage. Looks back. Makes a play on the ball. to end this game. So big-time play by a big-time player. And they're playing very, very good defense. The only, I guess, weakness on their team would be the offensive line. Their defense is good enough to win a championship, I believe. And you talk about Vance Joseph. Jesse Minter will probably be in head coaching conversations as well. And then it's going to be, okay, how healthy can Herbert be down the stretch and how upright can that O-line keep him?

2:56:20Adam Schefter:But the defense is making plays big-time week in and week out.

2:56:24Pat McAfee:Incredible coverage here by Darrell. Great coverage. Gardner mentioned we're already in field goal range. kind of with Bucker. Now granted, is he going to make it or not make it this year has become a question. He has a very strong leg. 20 seconds left, down three. Have a chance to be on the field and throw the ball to Travis Kelsey. I'm going to do that. He did it earlier in the drive too. I think him and Kelsey had a great connection. Gardner Minshew is not scared of anything. Feels like this is not necessarily ever going to be a completion because Derwin James is so damn good. But remember, Travis runs Travis Kelsey routes.

2:56:50Pat McAfee:43 sitting in there. They weren't going to let Travis get another rock here.

2:56:53Adam Schefter:No. This is man coverage. I believe they had a couple like hole defenders in there. But man-to-man coverage, outside leverage, and this is perfect. This is how you draw it up. You do drills like this. Hey, keep your outside leverage. If he runs the corner route, you make him pay, and he did.

2:57:08Pat McAfee:All right, let's go to another good deal with Daniel S.J. Butler. It's the last one.

2:57:12Adam Schefter:The best defense in the league right now. And he is, I mean, probably a top five corner now. We all talk about Stingley on the other side, who's one or two in that conversation. Bullock, he's been the best free safety this year. Petrie, we had him on maybe last week against the Chiefs when he had the big hits in the interception. Kamari Lasseter, second year out of Houston, I believe. Hard hitter. He'll show up in the run game. He'll blitz. He'll tackle. And he'll also cover. Had an interception against the Chiefs last week. And it's another interception in the high red zone. Post route, once again, maintaining his leverage.

2:57:46Adam Schefter:And then making a great play on the football and a phenomenal celebration as well. All right. And y 'all got it? Ooh. Pretty good. Oh, Spider-Man. Spider-Man? Yeah, there was some question marks about him. A couple weeks ago, I think before the Chiefs game, had a toe injury that he had been kind of battling. And remember the comments that he made. I love hearing D 'Amico Ryans talk about him and his mindset. But he was asked the question, hey, who would you send first off the bus from that defense? And he was like, me, you know, I'm with all the bullshit. And he absolutely is down in the down out.

2:58:17Pat McAfee:I mean, that's an incredible catch. If a wide receiver makes this catch, not being able to see the ball with hands touching it, I mean, we would say that's an incredible catch.

2:58:23Adam Schefter:And the casuals may not know who that receiver is, Michael Wilson, but since he's unbelievable, his numbers, his target, since Marvin Harrison Jr. has been out, he's kind of become a guy. But that's a great job. Reading your keys, keeping your leverage, and then making a great play on the football. That was his fourth interception on the year.

2:58:42Pat McAfee:Great backflip, too. Great backflip. I think you're allowed to say that. I'm not. Anytime you can do it full pads and be that clean with it, That means not only has it been done thousands of times in the past, but in the moment, didn't get too excited. Oh, no. Perfect balance. I mean, it's like shooting a three. You've got to have the right amount of explosion in turn. Just casual in the moment, all the way into the Spider-Man meet. I mean, this is phenomenal celebration. Absolutely.

2:59:09Adam Schefter:You could probably see it better from the wide copy if you fast forward to the end. But I also like the awareness of him because, once again, dealing with an injury. But peeking back real quick because he spun it. Boom, got it spun. and you can peek back, make sure he's not a cameraman, cheerleader, boom, stick that thing. Great camera. I mean, that's perfect timing there. Ten out of ten. It's going to be some sick pictures somewhere online.

2:59:30Pat McAfee:Well, congrats to him. It seems like there's going to be more of that coming out of the Houston Texans defense. They are so good. We're talking about them maybe winning the Super Bowl because that defense.

2:59:37Adam Schefter:Best unit in the ball. Oh, really? Best, in my opinion, just if you have to take a unit, best unit in football.

2:59:44Pat McAfee:With Devontae not in? If Devontae's in, are you taking Los Angeles Rams offense or is it Texas defense?

2:59:50Adam Schefter:I'll still go to Texas defense. They also might win the division still. There's a very big chance. They have the tiebreaker with the Jags. The Jags are at Denver and the Texans are hosting the Raiders. So maybe the Texans win. The Jags Broncos will be a war, but they have the tiebreaker. in the closing three for the Texans. Relatively easy aside from at Indy the last week. But there's a chance they end up being the three seed, maybe even two seed.

3:00:17Pat McAfee:And if you get that, you get a home playoff game, obviously, and everything else that comes alongside of that. It may be even another home game, depending upon what happens below them. And if they're able to get that building going with that defense going.

3:00:30Adam Schefter:We've been there.

3:00:31Pat McAfee:Yes, we have. With CJ going, I think we've seen that. It's like nobody really wants them. And that's what everybody has said. Luke Keekly said nobody really is signing up to take on the Houston Texans right now because to win games that involve points, you have to be able to score them. And the Houston Texans defense poses quite a problem when it comes to getting into Enzo. They are everywhere all the time. And you talk about Lasseter as like the third guy that you've showcased on EverythingDB. Every other guy that's been on there is because they hit. Everybody hits. Everybody hits. They're all tough.

3:01:03Pat McAfee:Like all of them are hitters. All of them want to punish you. and it's like that's D 'Amico Ryan's to a T. Like when Al Jair gets in that fight on the sideline and then he gets suspended. D 'Amico Ryan's head coach and defensive guy comes out and he's like, we got to watch what's going on on that sideline too. Like our guys, like you want to hit us, we're going to hit you. Like he was open with the fact like this is who we are. That's a scary fucking team to have to play, especially in the playoffs, I think, AJ. Yeah, I think it's contagious too. Like when you have a physical team like that and they all, you talk about running to the ball.

3:01:35Great things happen when you run to the ball. They just feel like they're playing with supreme confidence. Whoever is in there, I don't know. You have to uphold the standard, I feel like, that D 'Amico and the rest of that team is set. Yeah, like we said, it may not be fun to watch your team play the Texans, but if you are a fan of defense and a fan of physicality, this defense is who you want to watch.

3:01:54Pat McAfee:Yeah, and they're finishing every hit, too. Through the ground. They're finishing through the ground. They're trying to take you through the ground. Yeah, when there's a quarterback, obviously we'll be trying to catch ourselves, but see also we'll be there. Yeah, we will certainly be there every single time. Like, I don't think people fully understand. That's an entire mindset. Like, hey, this is who we are as a team. And nobody's allowed out of it. Like corners. Nah, you are, we are. This is who we are. Like, this is what our defense is known for. When people turn on tape, I bet you D 'Amico, when people turn on tape and they watch our defense, all 11 guys have to showcase exactly who the fuck we are.

3:02:28Pat McAfee:That is what it is. And you talk about a standard them already having. It's like next year whenever somebody joins that defense or if they sign somebody, it's understood like, hey, this is what we are. That's a great thing to have. That is a fucking great thing to have on the defensive side in 2025, 2026. You talk about them getting a potential home playoff game too. Look at how we've been talking about Josh Allen the last several weeks and how he's unstoppable. Rewind a couple weeks ago when Buffalo went to Houston. They sacked Josh Allen nine times. We're seeing him laying on the turf, kicking his legs down.

3:03:01They beat the fuck out of them. Not just them. That's what they do. Right, but I'm saying we're talking about the best player in the NFL who is unstoppable, and just a few weeks ago, we saw them make him look very pedestrian.

3:03:15Adam Schefter:All you can remember is those red jerseys. Yeah.

3:03:18Pat McAfee:Everywhere. And then Jacksonville Jaguars. They're getting really, really, really, really, really, really good really quickly. All of a sudden, the AFC South is starting to become the NFL's best. Yeah. If they lose this week, the Jags are in legit trouble as far as winning the division. Well, they'll still get in as a wild card. Yeah, the seven teams are basically locked in. It's just the divisions. The divisions are basically all a toss-up. You could argue maybe not the Broncos, but the AFC East, the AFC North, and the AFC South are all a toss-up right now. And the Steelers can lose two straight games.

3:03:55Pat McAfee:and then if they win the last game, they still win the division. Yeah, and that's the big thing with New England. Like if New England wins, then they have this weekend against Baltimore. That is massive for Pittsburgh and for New England, obviously, because they get in. But that also gives them a little bit more leeway to win the division this weekend. Football's great. But there's some people that are asked. D-Buck, let's get to the bad D, shall we?

3:04:18Adam Schefter:Oh, man, speaking of people in teams and defense units that are asked, they got the defensive coordinator fired after this game. Steve Wilkes. Liam Cohen has done a great, great job with Trevor Lawrence. I know Dan said yesterday the Texans offense probably the most improved unit in football. This Jacksonville Jaguars has been hitting all cylinders. You'll see ETN. He had three touchdowns. This is one of them right here. They're going to get to basically a four by one on the snap. So right now he's starting off to the left. The whole snap, he's going to get to the route and just get to the right.

3:04:49Adam Schefter:And then it'll just be a swing route. And now AJ knows just how tough this is. on 5 '6". We run it back. Just look at the traffic that 5 '6 has to run through. If you pause it here, he's a linebacker just to the left if you're looking from the offensive side of the hash. And watch what 56 has to get through to get through and try to cover Etienne, who's already a speedster. So he went underneath and you always have to make a decision as a defender. Do I go over the top or do I go underneath? Do I try to go to that back door? And usually when you go to that back door, you get out ran especially with his speech there it's great for that old line he's 77 he just gets a hand on him then does the save it block just puts the ass on him and then etn takes care of the rest

3:05:30Pat McAfee:jets get rid of quinn and williams and we hear what the dallas cowboys think about him do we think that is potentially the devastation to the jets defensive side of the ball i mean it was bad

3:05:38Adam Schefter:with him too this is the team i don't know maybe one interception on the entire year i think which is none with zero zero like that that's that's hard to do that's hard to do through five games let alone 15 at this point. This is like all-time bad. You didn't expect this with a defensive – I didn't expect this with a defensive head coach. Don't have a bunch of the pieces and just got the shit kicked out of them. We talked about Trevor Lawrence earlier in the week having a historic day. This offense has been good, but they look obviously great on Sunday against this Jets. Right there, you got to get on the ground.

3:06:13Adam Schefter:Big play, you got to get on the ground. I think you got to pull the ripcord. We just saw what – I mean, I'm not saying that there's like a Mike Vrabel option out there for the Jets, but as a defensive guy with how bad they've been and just everything, I don't know. Hey, maybe you own up, say we got this one wrong. We need to go back to the drawing board and we need to make sure we get it right.

3:06:34Pat McAfee:And then what, AG's going back to Detroit? Potentially. Yeah, maybe just swap. Maybe. Shepard gets hired by the Jets. If they don't do it this year, they're signing up for two years because they have four first-round picks in the next two years. So if they let them pick the two first-round picks this year or, you know, who knows, trade up. Who's the GM? What do you want to get him? Darren Mugey. Mugey?

3:06:54Adam Schefter:I mean, I'm not there as far as pulling the cord just because of the things that we talked about. You were a fucking – you were a seller. You sent all your best players away. You get all these picks. You know, that looks like to us, hey, you position yourself, go get a quarterback, build for the future. So you give him an opportunity. You give him a couple years to try to figure it out. Absolutely. It's all time right now. All time fast.

3:07:14Pat McAfee:I agree, and we like – I like Aaron Glenn. Me too. I love him. I like Aaron Glenn. I'm an Aaron Glenn fan. I like his energy. I like his juice. I like what he did with Detroit. I got a chance to talk to him. I feel like he's a very real human being. I mean, Aaron Rodgers fly over there and then him kick him out of the room in three minutes or whatever. Hilarious move. Interesting move. I don't know if that happens in football a lot in its entirety, but trying to set a tone, I think, on what he's looking for. So for it to be this ass, I think we're all kind of surprised by.

3:07:43Adam Schefter:It's the Jets. It's been a shit show for a while now. And the offense, as a defender, and I'm not making any excuse for that defense, zero interceptions is crazy. But I think Brady Cook started that game on offense. He did. Easy. Easy. They had, you know, Terrell Taylor and Justin Fields. So, you know, it's been tough on offense. Can't believe he let go. Alan Lazar, he's out there. Maybe end up in Pittsburgh.

3:08:08Pat McAfee:MBS. It's been tough. It's been tough. It's been a tough year. Feeling. Listen to the Pittsburgh Steelers Avengers. Where's John Coon at? Take the headset off, John. Come on. I don't know if they got helmets in modern-day helmets that can fit that thing, but maybe just wear the Guardian cap. Jordy's still in good shape? Nah, Jordy's in great shape. Randall Cobb, though, he might be a guy who's looking good. I'd be able to call Jordy. Jordy's the one that needs to run my dog because isn't he out there with the – Yeah, cattle and whatnot, ranching. Oh, he's wearing great shape. Great shape. Oh, yeah.

3:08:39Pat McAfee:He's tackling them, jumping on them, jumping off them still. softball national champion isn't he some softball like champion he's a freak athlete I don't know what his titles are in softball but he can do everything I think he's a softball national champion at this stage he was at some rodeo we saw him doing some shit at some rodeo he was running the rodeo I think

3:09:01Adam Schefter:oh no we don't need a Jordy highlight tape I might be on here somewhere

3:09:05Pat McAfee:well that's what happens milk check isle gone see ya six Jordy Nelson. It's a monster. I do enjoy the conversations that happen in DB rooms about Jordy Nelson all around the league. That was cool. That was cool to kind of learn about, hear about just because of how funny it is that that is the actual truth of the situation. Hey, listen, he's a country fuck, okay? This guy's super nice. You have no idea what you're looking at when you're standing there. You view him, you think to yourself, we got time here. We don't have time with this one.

3:09:37Adam Schefter:No, you know, you get eyes on him. That's a stallion? Yeah, he looks like a thoroughbred for sure.

3:09:45Pat McAfee:You get eyes on him.

3:09:47Adam Schefter:You get eyes on him across the field. He's not sleeping on 8-7.

3:09:50Pat McAfee:Hey, watch the film, okay? When we see him in real life.

3:09:53Adam Schefter:Those strides get. Understand what this thing is. Oh, yeah. Weapon.

3:09:57Pat McAfee:Why doesn't he go to the Steelers? Why not? What's Randall doing right now? Cop. Good question. Phelan, MVS, Jordy, Randall, Lazard, Tom Crabtree. Maybe he comes back out. Donald Driver. Yeah. And Bill's in the first round. Donald Driver would be awesome. That would be awesome. He could still play. He's a Packer for life. I'm saying with Jordy. We don't need to see those guys. Jordy played for the Raiders. The Steelers are the Packers of the AFC. I know. I know. But I think Donald Driver's also like 55. I don't want him to get hurt out there. That's a little bit older. Look at Phil Rivers. 44 is the ceiling.

3:10:37No, it's the floor. That's what I meant. Fuck! Who's the white wide receiver that used to catch all the Hill Marys? Jared Aberdares? There it is. Jeff Janis? Jeff Janis. That's it. They are literally the same guy with different names. The 83? He got the Cardinals. That's right. Twice. Yeah. Twice. Same game. Yeah. Remember what happened right after that? Hill Larry? Yeah, Rodgers threw like a 60-yard touchdown to send it into overtime. his time expired, and then on the first play of overtime, Larry Fitzgerald caught a slam and ran like 85 yards. I took it down to the five-yard line that Packers lost a play later.

3:11:11On Pat P. Oh, yeah. Two times in a row. Yeah, it was quite a deflating deal.

3:11:17Pat McAfee:He has the most Hail Marys, right, Aaron? That's definitely his thing. I would assume so. Yeah, the Jets won. I think last year that happened in primetime with Lazard. Five or six of them. Like broke the record. Yeah, yeah. I forget what the number is.

3:11:29Adam Schefter:And like free play touchdown.

3:11:31Pat McAfee:Which you're trying to take away. from his game.

3:11:33Adam Schefter:I'm not. You suck of wine. You and Bruce Arians were attacking him. When he gets the hard count, like those, but the, you know, the pinky toe on the sideline. Get off the field! I mean, yeah, hustle. What was Bruce's take? He's anti it? Yeah. He was anti it as a player, so like some coaches teach it. Like, as a center, if you see them jump across, snap it. And Bruce was never. It was always till the guard.

3:11:56Pat McAfee:He's talking about somebody running off the field, though. Oh, got it, got it, got it. He's talking about this from the other night. There was 45 second advanced replay assist that said actually there was 12 guys on the field that gave me the flag, which Aaron was talking about. And then B.A. and D.Butt the next morning. Well, B.A. first.

3:12:12Adam Schefter:Still no flag.

3:12:13Pat McAfee:We knew D.Butt was not about it. Yeah, in real time, there's still no flag. Aaron's not happy. That fucker didn't get off the field is what he clearly says in the entirety. Advanced replay says, yep, he's actually right. There's 12 on the field because Troy and Joe thought maybe it was like a hold or something on MVS that he didn't like. And then this, and then they replay it. So, yeah, it was – we thought B.A. would be about it, though, because it was an offensive gift, and a quarterback has to be smart enough to see this. And also it's a deep shot, no risk it, no biscuit type thing. It's actually a biscuit potential with no risk it in it.

3:12:44Pat McAfee:And instead he was like, it's not the intent of the rule. He said it's not the intent of the rule. Way on side. I mean, that's the other thing, too. Brady, huge in doing this. That's why I was surprised that was his philosophy, too. Yeah. What's that? We knew Debo would hate it. We knew A.J. would hate it. Exactly. That was the first time I looked at Bruce and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about, Bruce? This is your bag. That's the first time he's been here a long time. That's good. Exactly. And that was the first time I looked at him like, Bruce, hello. Hello, you're an offensive guy, Bruce.

3:13:17Pat McAfee:You benefited from this probably. Come on, man. Well, that's Ben Roethlisberger what his thoughts were. You know. And his thoughts on that photo. Let's go to Hammer. Done. Done. What do you think Big Ben's thoughts are on too many men being smarter than defense? And what do you think Big Ben was looking at with Dan Marino when he had that look and Dan had that look? Seven loves catching 12 men on the field and just hucking it deep to one of any number of wide receivers. So he's definitely for it. But he was also coached by B.A. So, you know, that's weird as well. I'm with you, Connor. I don't love what B.A.

3:13:49was doing there. And I still think that Ben was just in awe of how Aaron is spinning it.

3:13:55Pat McAfee:There's a chance. Dan Marino knew it was over. Literally. Maybe that's what he saw. Tamarino saw Aaron throw it, and he thought to himself, the Tua era's over. Well, that's it. Maybe he saw Tua yucking it up before the game with Jalen Ramsey. Oh. Ben goes, oh. Guy doesn't care about his team. And Dan goes, this is fucking disgusting. I'm fucking benching him. After again. After again. Yeah. Sound like Stanford Steve, but Pittsburgh accent, certainly similar to Baltimore one, whichever one Stanford Steve has. We appreciate you, Tone. Why don't you start heading this way, Tone? Why don't you start heading this way?

3:14:32Pat McAfee:D-butt, final bad D. What? Yeah, we haven't seen the Packers. This is a bad one.

3:14:36Adam Schefter:I don't think all year long. And this is a seed from Bo Nix talking about some quarterbacks playing their best ball at this point in the season. Bo Nix is definitely in that conversation. This is a big week, too, for the Broncos. They've been winning a lot of close games but winning nonetheless. And a lot of people are like, all right, Packers, Broncos, this will be a big test for both teams, both quarterbacks. and he passed the test with flying colors. It's him with his college teammate, Troy Franklin. This is like a scissors route. So a corner from the number two receiver and then he'll end up running like a post and he'll sit right in this window.

3:15:07Adam Schefter:Kind of a cover two type drop and he throws it. Dan kind of talked about throwing the ball across the middle. It's about kind of where you place the ball, the pace you put on the ball and he puts this kind of back shoulder high away from the defenders. Great ball placement, great accuracy, stepping up in the pocket, big time throwing catch.

3:15:24Pat McAfee:That's just hitting a hole in the zone, right? Yep. I mean, that is exactly.

3:15:27Adam Schefter:Exactly.

3:15:28Pat McAfee:Go the hole shot, I believe, and that's how you beat zone. And was Bo always able to do this in the NFL? Do we know?

3:15:33Adam Schefter:Well, Sean Payton loved him. You know, when he came on, he spoke very, very glowingly about him. It was some questions for a lot of other people. Could Bo develop and be a big-time quarterback? But making plays like this on this level against this defense, because this ain't a bunch of slappies out there. These are some good defenders. Obviously, Micah got hurt this game. but big-time throw against a very good defense. You got to find a hole in the zone and make the throw.

3:15:57Pat McAfee:We liked Bo on the show, right? He sounded like Kevin O 'Connell. Yeah. That was my takeaway, if I remember, right? Everything was right. He was super competitive. Loved the quarterback position, everything like that. He beat one. And that's why Sean Payton, as soon as he met him, was like, this is the guy.

3:16:10Adam Schefter:And I like quarterbacks that when the moments get bigger, like they show up the best. And that's who he's been all year, whether it was a team you were supposed to blow out or a team you were supposed to lose to. Fourth quarter comes, 10 is playing his best ball. So I love that from a quarterback, young or old. But he's, you know, kind of a young, old guy, almost in the NFL, the second year starting. But he's an older fella, and he's playing his best ball. Shock.

3:16:33Pat McAfee:They talked about how old he was. Look out. He's a Saints care right now. Look out for shock.

3:16:39Adam Schefter:And I was right. I mean, he was on good D through that pick to Rasul Douglas. And we were like, damn, the thing is you two picks, had to pick two to Minka. and Dan, I think, tweeted that day like, hey, I love his film. He's confident. He's this, he's that. And I think he's ran off a couple wins.

3:16:55Pat McAfee:Well, and the Saints celebrated when they drafted him in the third round as if he was going to be their starter. Remember that? And everybody was like, well, if you're drafting a starter in the third round, why didn't you draft him in the first round? What are you talking about? They're like, we like our pick. That fucker. Is he still down there? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Shuck was fantastic today. Aggressive, moved really well. Confidence high, saw the field clean. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, Dano's been on it. The Dan wagon will hop on some things that are good. Yep. Leave it at that. It's holiday season.

3:17:26Pat McAfee:Great work today, boys. Thank you, D-Buck. Great week. Thank you, brother. You too. AQ, great work today. You too, brother. Be your friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. AQ, anything for the team? Yeah, big week of football ahead. Thursday, head up to the Pacific Northwest. Playoff games Friday. NFL and playoff games. Enjoy this time of year, everyone. Hell yeah, AQ. Hell yeah. Thank you, AQ. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Goodbye.