PMS 2.0 1475 - TOP 5: NFL Week 16 Recap

22 Dec 2025 · 31 min

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The Pat McAfee Show - Episode 1475: Top 5 NFL Week 16 Recap

Episode Overview In this episode of *The Pat McAfee Show*, Pat McAfee, Darius Butler, and the crew break down the most significant storylines from Week 16 of the NFL season, presenting their top five headlines. The discussion showcases various teams' performances and future prospects, reflecting on both successes and struggles within the league.

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Key Headlines

  1. Rise of Teams from 'Ass to Class'
  2. Highlighting Rejuvenated Teams: The discussion focuses on teams like the New England Patriots, Jacksonville Jaguars, Chicago Bears, and Carolina Panthers, all of which have shown significant improvement from recent poor seasons.
  3. Patriots' Transformation: The Patriots improved from a 4-13 record last year to 12-3 this season, showing a remarkable turnaround.
  4. Jaguars' Impressive Streak: They are currently on a six-game winning streak, outscoring opponents significantly and showcasing quarterback Trevor Lawrence's growth.
  5. Panthers' Hope: The Panthers, once struggling with fan engagement and ownership issues, are now poised to potentially win the NFC South.
  1. AFC North and Coach Mike Tomlin's Success
  2. Ravens' Struggles: The Ravens are under scrutiny for their inability to close games, with questions about coaching and culture amidst their current performance issues.
  3. Steelers’ Consistency: Under Coach Mike Tomlin, the Steelers maintain a record of 19 consecutive non-losing seasons, showcasing resilience and strategic play despite injuries.
  1. Controversial Refereeing Decisions
  2. Referees Under Fire: The discussion critiques several questionable calls made by referees during games, highlighting how these decisions can impact game outcomes and overall league perception.
  3. Need for Improvement: There's a call for better officiating standards, particularly with critical playoff implications looming.
  1. Eagles’ Dominance in NFC East
  2. Back-to-Back Titles: The Philadelphia Eagles have secured consecutive NFC East titles for the first time in over two decades, showcasing their consistent performance under Coach Nick Sirianni and quarterback Jalen Hurts.
  3. Super Bowl Potential: The crew debates whether the Eagles have what it takes to win back-to-back Super Bowls, citing their experienced roster and coaching staff.
  1. Playoff Picture Heating Up
  2. Competitive Landscape: The episode wraps up by highlighting the playoff race, with multiple teams in contention for postseason spots. The current standings and potential matchups are discussed, emphasizing the excitement of the concluding weeks of the season.

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Notable Discussions and Insights

  • Cultural Changes: A significant emphasis is placed on how coaching and culture can transform a franchise, with examples from the Bears and Panthers illustrating the impact of strong leadership.
  • Quarterback Performance: The episode spotlights the development of young quarterbacks like Trevor Lawrence and Caleb Williams, noting their potential to lead their teams to future success.
  • Fan Interaction and Player Conduct: The episode briefly touches on the incident involving DK Metcalf and a fan, discussing the responsibilities of players and fans in maintaining professionalism during games.

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Conclusion This episode of *The Pat McAfee Show* provides a thorough recap of Week 16 in the NFL, focusing on team transformations, coaching impacts, and the competitive playoff landscape. The engaging dialogue among Pat McAfee, Darius Butler, and the team delivers valuable insights into the current state of the league while also entertaining listeners with their characteristic humor and camaraderie.

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0:00Let's get away from college ball and let's talk about the NFL every single Monday we get to a thing called the top five headlines that we saw coming out of the NFL slate now normally that's just Sunday but this past weekend they blessed you know what's a great football the nfl is obviously crushing college football is great here's our top five headlines driven by ram trucks every time you push that gas pedal and you're sitting in a ram truck you know that you're protected you're going to be riding on clouds it's going to have enough technology to keep up with today and enough power to pull whatever and when you hit that gas pedal it's going to sound like ram ram ram ram ram ram ram our ass into the top five top five number five headline from our perspective from ass to class of the league like that here are some storylines from different cities that if your team is ass right now, you can draw some inspiration.

0:52You can draw some optimism. You can draw some, you know what? Maybe the future isn't going to be as ass as it is right now. Bears, last couple years? Ass. Carolina Panthers, last couple years? Ass. Jacksonville Jaguars, last couple years? Ass. New England Patriots, last couple years? Ass. now they're dancing, baby. And they're not just dancing. They got a real chance at this entire thing. Patriots, 4-13 last season. Now they're 12-3. Jaguars, 4-13 as well. Liam Cohen saying keep the narrative going that we're asked, please. Small market goes in mile high. Denver's the best team in football, right?

1:30Best team in football. They get a big time win. They're 11-4. Bears, 5-12, let alone all the drama that has happened around the Chicago Bears. And then whenever you think about the Carolina Panthers team, yeah, right. They should not be anywhere near this. If the football gods were to be holding karma against a team, everything that ownership in this team did to its fans over the last 10 years would be held against Carolina Panthers forever. There was one point where there was actually 1 ,000 people in the stands watching this Carolina Panthers team. It looked like D3 football is what the game environment was.

2:04They rolled out this virtual reality Panther that was obviously a joke. They had ownership getting in fights with fans and store owners. Everything was bad, bad, bad, bad. And now they're going to win the NFC South. They are going to host a playoff game. Now it's certainly still up for grabs. The Bucs can still get it. But a huge win for the Carolina Panthers. And if your team stinks right now, look no further than Charlotte, North Carolina. Because the Carolina Panthers can bring you some real hope for what the future could hold. It basically felt like the Panthers were becoming what the Bucs used to be.

2:35Like even if you look at that last play by Bryce Young, that's a play you would see Baker Mayfield making to win the entire game. Tet is like a younger Mike Evans. Coker's turning into a younger Chris Godwin. Like, it's insane kind of the comparisons between the two. And then when you look at this play, it really is like, oh, Baker Mayfield's going to go and win the game. And that's what Bryce Young does. Gets away, dodges another guy, and then throws a touchdown pass. Like, how many times have we seen Baker Mayfield make that exact same play to win the game? Not in the past, even just earlier in the year.

3:06Like, the Panthers really are kind of the new team of that division. Shout out to the Panthers. Shout out to the Jags, too. They're for real, D-Bunch. It feels like you've been wanting to talk about them a lot over the last four or five weeks. I think the world hasn't really wanted to talk about it, but it's real down there in Duval. And Trevor Lawrence, hey, everything they said he was seemingly becoming right in front of our eyes right now. Yeah, we talk about it. You guys always mention it. It's just very, very hard to actually succeed on this level. So people want that instant success. And he was crowned as that guy, the prince that was promised since coming into the league.

3:37And now he's hitting his stride. You know, Liam Cohen comes over. He was a hot hire. A lot of people, especially after his introductory press conference, had some thoughts about him. Us included. Absolutely, and rightfully so. But he's shown that he is a great football coach, and he's setting his quarterback up for great success. Also made a very good hire with Campanelli on the defensive side of the ball because they're living and dying with their turnovers right now. But Jaguars are blowing people away. And this was a huge, huge statement win in Denver, the number one seeded team in the AFC right now.

4:06And this is all without the number two overall pick that they still have. Here's some Hembo stats about this Jacksonville Jaguars six-game win streak. They've outscored their opponents by 113 points. Unbelievable. They spent more time leading by 25 points than trailing at all. And Trevor Lawrence has 14 touchdowns, zero turnovers in the last four games. 77.4 QBR. They are what we like to call rolling. And this is what they talked about in January. And we kind of mocked it a little bit because they lost right away to Jake Browning and the Bengals. But now, what, 10 weeks later, it kind of does feel like it's going to go on forever.

4:44Shout out to Shad Khan, obviously the owner for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And Jarian Jones, or Jarian Jones, just a couple games removed here from Saquon Barkley jumping over backwards his head. He's on a sideline. You know, some people get rolled up. Some people avoid. Hey! Straight up and over. Wow. The athleticism, like a damn cat right there. I mean, that is spectacular. He'll go on and get a pick. Jacksonville Jaguars win. In the old days of Jacksonville Jaguars, he potentially tears ACL. Yeah, for sure. He potentially tears Achilles. He certainly is getting speared to the ground and maybe taking out a trainer.

5:18Nine-year-old doctors, ah! That is what Jacksonville Jaguars fans would probably expect in the past. Now you have a sick jump over. Guy looks bad that got off balance, and he looks like a stud. And then, oh, yeah, he's going to carry it on for the rest of the game. D-butt. Seems like they're rolling. down there in Duval. I don't like it at all. Not good for the AFC. Not good for the Indianapolis Colts. They got a quarterback who's young. Mm-hmm. CJ's pretty young. Let's talk about a young quarterback that can still go. The Chicago Bears team. Hey. What a game. Maybe whenever a coach is a bell of the ball, there's a reason.

5:55Yeah. You know, it may be a coach turns down years, multiple years worth of, nah, I'm not going. Nah, I'm not going. It can maybe drive people to think, this drama. there's only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL anyways. What can this guy really do? Good, better, best, never let rest. Good is better and better is best. He comes in there and immediately changes the culture. At the beginning, allegedly a little bit rocky, you know. Are him and Caleb going to be able to get along? Caleb wasn't even playing in preseason games, allegedly because he didn't really know the offense yet, and Ben Johnson didn't want to put him out there, which led us all to think, wait, are Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams ever going to get along?

6:28We heard Ben Johnson's an absolute dog, and we heard Caleb Williams, obviously, A lot of moxie, a lot of swag, a lot of character. He has been very famous for a long time. Well, these two, yeah, they will. And he's about to break every quarterback record that Chicago Bears have. Ben Johnson's got the entire culture ready to win the NFC North, and they pick up a massive overtime dub over the Green Bay Packers and make some huge plays in critical moments on both sides of the ball, including special teams where they get an onside kick. Wow. Geez. I don't know if I'm putting Guardian Cap guy out there.

6:59I don't know if I'm putting Guardian Cap out there as the hands guy. Best hands with a team. Not with a guardian cap. I think the hands thing, you have to have a certain level of fuck it to you. I think you have to have that. Now, I'm not saying Dobbs doesn't have that. Guardian cap tells me he does have at least some reservations. So, I don't know if that's necessarily who I put there. But great kick by Cairo. Great recovery by the Bears. And, obviously, they come back fourth quarter drive and then overtime. Winner as well, which has dropped in an absolute bucket. Chicago Bears. Culture was ass.

7:28Team was shit. now are they going to win the NFC North debuts and maybe the whole damn thing? Man, king of the North right now. You talk about primetime games delivering all weekend long. This is one of the best finishes I've ever seen. For a throw like that, that was obviously the icing on the cake, but just everything down the stretch. And this is who Caleb Williams has been this year in second halves of ballgames. Even some of the games that they lost, he has played great down the stretch. He already has the most fourth quarter comebacks for any Bears quarterback in history. He's just unbelievable.

7:58You talk about Ben Johnson. and obviously the running game, the investments they made in the offensive line. But once again, when you talk about creating a culture, that's not only head coach, but it's also the staff. Hiring Dennis Allen on the defensive side, Al Harris as well, and they're bringing in some vets that can make big-time plays on both sides of the ball. He is playing unbelievable right now. I'm calling him Iceman going forward. Okay, I like that. I love the moxie. And then listening to Caleb talk, yeah, that's his thing. Listening to him talk, he sounds like a 12-year vet any time he's in front of the camera, even after that type of moment.

8:28Like, it was all class talking about the Packers and the rivalry and then showing up and doing some stuff in the community with the cheese grater hat. So I love everything that Caleb's doing, and obviously it starts with your head coach. Yeah, and even more so to the Iceman just being cool as shit. Throws that ball, hands immediately go into the thing. Oh, man. It's almost like a Steph Curry walk-off, which we saw from Drake May and the Patriots. It's like Chicago Bears, the new Kings of the North up there in the Bears world. Absolutely. Obviously, it was a midway miracle is how we framed it for the headline.

9:02Huge comeback late. Obviously, make plays whenever they need it. And the Green Bay Packers, more injuries here. Now, obviously, Jordan Love goes down with a concussion. Malik Willis goes down. Feels like the last couple weeks, the injury bug has hit you guys hard. What does the rest of the season look like for the Packers, Ty Schmidt? Well, luckily, because the Lions lost yesterday, the Packers just need to win one of their last two games. They have Baltimore on Saturday this week, and then they end the season with the Vikings. If they win one of those two games, they'll get in. And right now, I mean, good question, because it seems like concussions this year have been multi-week injuries, not usually just, hey, that guy got concussed on Saturday.

9:39I mean, yeah, he took one on the button big time. So we'll see if he plays on Saturday. But it's looking like, for all intents and purposes, if the Packers can win one game, they'll get in with the seventh seed, and then they'll probably end up having to go back to Chicago and play the Bears again in the first round. And then the Patriots, the fourth ask the class team, and obviously saying the Patriots and ask together is leaving out the dynasty that they had for 20-plus years. This was the next chapter. This is when we were supposed to be celebrating New England not having a good football team.

10:09This is when the rest of the fan bases around the NFL were supposed to point and laugh at the Revolution region. This is what life is like with a real football team. You're going to have to struggle. You're going to have to see the hard times. Now, when that parade comes back, you'll certainly enjoy it more, but this is what life is like. and then all of a sudden Mike Vrabel's still available somehow. He loves the Patriots more than maybe anybody in the history. Maybe he might love the Patriots. I mean, this just hit me as it was rolling out of my mouth. Top five for sure. Behind me, but top five.

10:41No, I'm talking player coach-wise because there was a falling out, obviously, with a lot of different situations. Now, Tom, I think, he ends up at Tampa. Julian Edelman, I think, maybe. Jules for sure. Joel's loves. Whatever the case, Vrabel, whenever he gives his Hall of Fame induction speech, while coaching for another team, is like, hey, this is the greatest place on earth. I've seen other buildings. I work in one right now. It is ass. Compared to what you have here, the fans, the setup, the ownership, everything. This is dream come true for football, basically. And he gets up there. Once again, culture, culture, culture.

11:12And has the perfect quarterback for it. And then he gets stars to buy in. I mean, Stephon Diggs coaching on the sideline. Would we ever think that that's what we would be seeing this year from Stephon Diggs? I don't think so. So this Patriots team is unbelievable. Now, the other side we'll certainly talk about here in a little bit with Baltimore. But Drake May, what a perfect guy for New England. And your team goes from ask the class of the league. Life is much better on this side. Yeah, life's unbelievable. Not to mention, you know, Mike Vrabel being a football savant. He also drafted four, five, maybe six Hall of Famers in this class that they just had.

11:46Kyle Williams, ridiculous touchdown catch on the sideline. He's a rookie. Craig Woodson, D-Bud actually texted me during the game. The rookie safety for New England, he's a Hall of Famer. Will Campbell not even playing. Let's keep that in mind, too. Drake May throws for 380 yards, down by 11 in the fourth quarter. Goes on an 89-yard drive to win the game at the end of the game without your starting left tackle. Starting right tackle missed about a quarter and a half. Starting running back, rookie Trevion Henderson going to be a Hall of Famer. He also, concussion, leaves the game. I mean, there really isn't that much you can say about Drake May.

12:19he's the guy going forward I think everybody knows especially you know when you watch him he's only 23 years old he looks like he's 43 he's 23 and then Stephon Diggs after the game saying like you know I'll tell you what he prepares he prepares to play games like and I don't want to say the guy's name but he prepares like like like Tom Brady okay Diggs wasn't gonna say it but everyone knows where he was going he was walking you down he's the next Tom Brady path but we don't have to saying it's very obvious i think it's hard to watch that game especially after watching like a caleb versus packers game you're like yeah caleb's cool jayden gales is cool all these young rookie quarterbacks are cool drake may is in a different tier he's ridiculous he's the mvp mvp odds very high for drake may and once again he's only in his second season you know it's only in his second great hire josh mcdame unbelievable and he'll be there forever he's done the whole coaching head coaching run ron loves the area dc go go ahead who wants to be Hey, coach, you want to come be in D.C.

13:15for a little bit? Bobby Spillane's there, okay? Mike Vrabel's calling plays. You're just hanging out for a little bit. Yeah, it's like the opposite of what the Chiefs had. Bingo. You know, for a long time. Congrats to the – congrats, Patriots. And we can all, if our team becomes completely ass and a shite show, we can look to those four teams as like, hey, next season can be better. You need to make a lot of good hires. But next season can certainly be better. Let's go to number four headline coming out of the week. That's AFC North football, baby. Coach Mike, Tom win. And is it Harbaugh in Baltimore?

13:47Oh, no. It's getting loud. It's getting loud in Baltimore. Derrick Henry scores another touchdown and doesn't touch the ball. The hell are we doing? Has John Harbaugh lost his football sense? Has John Harbaugh lost the team? How come this team looks so different than in the years past? Is the message not getting home anymore? And how are they blowing leads like this? all the damn time. Is it a culture issue? Is it a talent issue? Is it a team issue? Is it a stale issue? Is it Coach Harbover in Baltimore, D-Buzz? I'm not going to call for his job. He's still a great football coach in my mind. But Baltimore Ravens fans, they are allowed and have been allowed because when you talk about both of these franchises that we just had up on the screen, the Ravens and the Steelers, those are championship-caliber franchises.

14:37And coming into this season, I think the Ravens were, what, either a one or two. Okay, the Super Bowl favorite to win it. So to be looking at a place where you're almost not going to make the playoffs, obviously you have injuries at your quarterback, but just critical fumbles. Once again, Zay Flowers, South Florida guy, I love him. You can't fumble the ball in a big moment like that again. Derrick Henry didn't touch the ball for the last 12 minutes, I think, with the backup quarterback in the game. That's insane, but he had another big fumble in this game as well. He's obviously a great play, chased it down and punched it out, but you can't have that in this game.

15:08and this is what you've seen over and over again with the Ravens. You talked about blowing fourth-quarter leads. They talked about it on teleclass last night. I think it was 12 games at that point with seven-plus lead in the fourth quarter, and you lost them. Like, that's historically bad, so something's got to change. That bums out butter and the boys over here. Oh, yeah. I mean, you have the lead, and then you lose it. And this team was supposed to go to the Super Bowl, a lot of people thought. I was excited to watch the Ravens, continue to be excited to watch the Ravens. Anytime I see their name on the screen, like, hey, we've got a Ravens game, sick.

15:36I'm going to be able to see Lamar Jackson play football. I'm pumped about that. It started great, too. They're making it look really good. Zay a couple times, Derek running it, Lamar moving, spinning it. Yeah, defense doing their thing. It's like, all right, this is what we've been waiting for. This is what everybody's been waiting for. Then he just blew it at the end again. And Lamar doesn't – he had his ankle taped. I saw that. Okay, so I didn't know – I don't know if we all knew, but I certainly didn't remember an ankle being a thing. But him coming on to the field with his ankle, and then he had the hamstring this year, then he was sick.

16:04It feels like we haven't seen the electrifying Lamar Jackson all year either. Through the air, he can certainly spin it. But whenever he was running, it just looked different this year the entire year. Is it because of injuries? What does next year look like? I mean, there's a lot of convos about that. And then the AFC North, there's one thing that's going to be as steady as death in taxes, brother. And that's Mike Tomlin is going to Tom win. 19 consecutive non-losing seasons. That's 500 or better as a coach. Tom Landry had 20 winning seasons. He had won 500 seasons, 8-8 or whatever. Bill Belichick obviously did what he did with New England for so long.

16:40And Tomlin has 18 winning seasons with one 8-8 season. And then they have 22 in total as a team. Hey, we're used to winning football around here. Now, Tomlin gets a big one in Detroit. Steelers fans, ecstatic, right? We're ready to go? More than ecstatic, Pat. Like, more than ecstatic. Because, you know, they won in Steelers fashion. it having to come down to the last play in the last drive and blowing a fourth quarter lead. That is how the Steelers do it. But the other rest of the game was not in Steelers fashion. They had almost 500 yards of total offense, 230 on the ground. Aaron was unbelievable.

17:16They only gave up 15 rushing yards to Sonic and Knuckles. I don't want to say their other nickname. 15 rushing yards. Oh, they're saying ass and cheeks. I think they are. Oh, no, Foxy, why are you guys doing that? We cannot call these two running backs ass and cheeks. If you want to call the offensive line ass and cheeks, go ahead. Ass, cheeks, ass, cheeks, ass. That would be the starting five? Is that what you're saying? Except for Penny Sewell. Don't touch him. Oh, sorry. Ass, cheeks, ass, cheeks. That's a flip of Derek Harmon. Thank you. Just dogging him, too. We love Penny. We love Penny. I know.

17:48We do. We do. I would like Penny to go. Well, I don't mind riggaeton. Sure, man. Speaking of riggaeton. But Penny Sewell, we are big fans of Penny. Go ahead. Speaking of riggaeton and Sonic and Nuggle and ass and cheeks. Maybe Mario and Luigi and Kenneth Gainwell and Jalen Warren. They were both under over 100 yards total. Each of them. They've been awesome the entire single year. Everything went well yesterday, except for the fourth quarter. We decided to go into prevent defense with 12 minutes left. That's been kind of the thing over the last three games. Last year, though, the Steelers went into the playoffs losing four straight.

18:22They've won three straight this year. So the momentum. That's a running back. Yes, it is. It is a running back. He has five games this year, over 100 total scrimmage yards. He has won before this season. So, Ken Gainwell has been unbelievable this year. Everything was awesome yesterday. Tomlin, last two weeks, five of five on fourth down. They only have 11 fourth down conversions on the entire year, five in the last two weeks. So, he's coaching a little differently, a little more aggressively. Everything was great yesterday. Everyone feels really, really good about the Steelers right now, where they are, especially with the playoff picture.

18:52Yeah, can we win it all? Yes. I think we, yeah. TJ, still not playing. two wins without TJ. That's huge. That's very abnormal. Without TJ, without Nick Herbig, Echols, the slot guy got hurt earlier in the game, but yes, there's some injuries going on. Hopefully our NFC brother and the Packers take care of business on Saturday night, or we can win on Sunday against the Browns and get in potentially see what the situation is week 18. But yes, I think, cause like with the AFC, there are really, really good teams. Like the, we talked about the Jags and the Patriots and the Broncos and the chargers and the bills.

19:24Like those are all really, really good teams. but I don't know if there's like that team where you're like, oh, that's a definite loss. Like I think any of these teams in the AFC, no matter who's playing who, like feels like they have a chance this year. I think so too. Patriots are my only difference just strictly because I see Vrape. Vrape's trying to get cauliflower here with the left side of his headset. Do you see that? He's got that thing trapped down the top of his thing. Needs some pain. Yeah, that legitimately might be what he's doing because every time I see him, like the guy, he's got to feel that.

19:53I mean, on your ears. Doesn't he coach with tax in his shoes? I didn't think about that probably. I mean, there's a chance he's chewing on actual rocks over there, too, just keeping his edge. So I think about the Patriots. I'm like, I think the Patriots are going to win most games that they play. I think Josh Allen, tough to pick against Josh Allen. But I think Aaron Rodgers, Tomlin, everybody on that squad, especially if TJ is able to get back, which we're not saying he's going to. I don't think anybody really knows what's going to happen in that entire situation. We're hoping for it. It's like Steelers fans, I think rightfully so, think that they can win it all.

20:20Now, if they don't, quarterback, not probably, unless Aaron, you know, maybe. No, he feels like he's a tough one more. He is playing right now. The demon Adam Thielen. Yeah, Thielen's doing it. Scooty, Scott Miller got a ball the other day. I mean, now we've got to talk about, obviously, the incident that took place with the blue hair in the stands. D.K. Metcalf grabs shirt of fan from Detroit in second quarter. And then side angle shows shoved shirt, but certainly in a very aggressive manner. Blue hair guy celebrates immediately upon it happening because he knows everything that he was hoping to accomplish certainly gets accomplished.

20:59There was certainly some physicality there from DK to old buddy. Now, old buddy told the Detroit Free Press that he called DK by his full name or something along those lines. Now, DK's actual name on X is his full name. And then there was other reporters that have said, like, hey, I did a story on his name that seemingly not would get him this fired up to do this. Then DK reached out to Ocho. And on nightcap, Ocho said that he said the N-word, I believe, and said something about his mother. Obviously, the Pittsburgh Steelers have not said anything yet. I think they are probably waiting. We have not talked to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

21:37but we are assuming the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to wait for the NFL to say something first, and then the Pittsburgh Steelers will kind of just follow suit in the entirety. We assume that there's mics on DK, because he's a$30 million a year guy, DK Metcalf, Steelers on his hopeful Super Bowl push, Aaron Rodgers' potential last season. I assume there's a lot of mics on a lot of people, and on the sidelines there's a lot of boom mics. So we assume there'll be some sort of investigation on what happened, how it happened, but obviously you can't be touching fans at games. This is a nightmare for the NFL.

22:09This is not great news. But I think there will be a lot more clarity, and I think everybody's probably waiting on that as it continues to roll on. I don't know if I missed anything there. It's not a crazy situation. Obviously, you talked about the Tom Pellicero tweet, talked about the history there, and then I think some other fan nearby said they had the input. But right now, as she's saying, until we hear some audio, if we ever do. And when I saw the reaction from DK, that was the only thing I thought. It's only one word that I could see to get that type of reaction on the field. and then, hey, however you react, you react.

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22:38But outside of that, like you said, as a professional athlete, you got to kind of have some restraint. And then fans, you know, there's got to be some line there, but what can and can't be said. Agreed. So we always talk about it in public. Hey, once we came back, you can get punched in the mouth. And that counts for people that are in uniform too. So we'll see how it plays out. And DK, we'll see how it plays out in the NFL as well. To that point about in real life, a lot of people on the internet have gotten very comfortable being chatty. You know, that has become something. And I think COVID expedited that because it was the only way to really communicate with people.

23:06So people got real comfortable with the shit. And we gave a warning as COVID ended. Like, hey, remember now, in real life, people weren't just about the tweets and scrolling. Like, they actually hear it and they're there with you. And that first weekend back in live stadiums, boy, like the bodies hit the floor. I mean, there was a lot of pent up, a lot happening around there. And we're not saying that's how this should be. But we are saying there's like a moral code, I believe. You have the fan code that you sign up for whenever you buy a ticket. It's in there. They run the entire thing. So whenever they do and find out what it is, not saying that a fan should ever be grabbed.

23:45Performer and audience, physicality, not good, cannot happen. Actually cannot happen. But there are standards for both sides that are going to be obviously examined. And to your point, who knows if we ever find out what it is. You know, I saw a guy take a helmet off, and I still have no idea. Yeah. And everybody in there was mic'd. So, I don't know if we'll ever find out, but obviously this cannot be happening. Okay, let's go to our third headline. The refs are on contract here. Yeah. Okay. Are they? The refs are on contract here. So, normally when you're on a contract here, D, but what are you trying to do?

24:20Put your best foot forward. Every time. Trying to run that back up. Damn right. That's what we're trying to do, right? Is there a chance that these guys and girls are saying, let's show them what it could be like with ass officials. Let's remind them of what it was like whenever we had the replacement refs. Because it seems like, and now, granted, there's more primetime games, so there's going to be more eyes on all these calls. There are some terrible calls that happen in 1 o 'clock games that are slid into regional television that nobody really hears. More primetime games, we're going to see more stuff.

24:46But even if it is the right call, which we kind of agree with the right call because of the bygones, the three-minute talk on the field optically looks terrible, and then coming out of that just cutting a heel promo, we don't think that's the best way to go about doing it. Nope. We don't think that is necessarily the best way for a game to end. And then you talk about the Patriots game. The Patriots had multiple. You had to have seen it by now. There's a pass interference where the guy is actually, I mean, he's actually hugging him. He's hugging his entire body. And the catch is made, I do believe.

25:19No, I'm sorry, sorry. It should have been made. And then, obviously, there's no call for pass interference. Marlon Humphrey had a pick in the game. Clearly passing. What are you watching if you're not calling that? Right there. And then it wasn't even just that in this game. There's also a roughing the passer that takes place that, I mean, I guess there was contact chest-to-chest and face masks touched each other. But do we need to be calling a roughing the passer, which is a 15-yard penalty? A very, very, very gigantic penalty. I mean, 15 yards is a huge thing. A turnover. A turnover, but also 15 seconds left.

25:53I mean, who knows? Just in that moment, calling that is just like a bad decision. So a little bit more self-awareness we'd like to have. And then obviously Thursday night, we didn't get a chance to chat about it. What a game. Unbelievable. Insane. What a game. Great. And then the two-point situation where it was a fun, then it wasn't a fun, it was deflected. And then having the whole setup going back, and then going back in that moment in the time, it's like, can we work on the optics of some of these things? Even if you get it right, like we need it to be better just because you're representing the league, representing the game, let alone getting calls wrong, let alone having seemingly no football awareness on what should be called on what particular play.

26:30But as we get into the most important time of year here, we need some awareness about what the game needs and what it doesn't need and how it needs it, D. Yeah, absolutely. The most important thing, obviously, is getting it right. But when you have that white cap on, you are, you know, you're representing the game, you're representing the league to, you know, the millions that are watching. But getting it right is the number one thing. We agree. This play was unbelievable. This is something that I've never seen before. I don't know about you. The replay, I think the players on the field, especially the defense, because you've been around football a long time, we all have.

26:59We always preach, hey, pick up the ball, pick up the ball, pick up the ball. And the fact that the Rams, nobody on the team thought about even going to the ball on like a lateral type play because of it bouncing forward. You know, I think that kind of just almost freezes you, even on punts. It's like, hey, poison, poison, just get away from it, don't worry about it. But Charbonnet, having a heads up, being aware, picking the ball up, and it ended up being the difference in this game. So wouldn't that be considered a Sam Darnold fumble? He fumbles it because it was a backwards. Yes. So then how can you advance a fumble?

27:27There are so many intricacies, which once again, ref, these are, this is role on this, as opposed to saying, touchdown. Yeah, right. We're joking. Like you are representing the game. We think that needs to be talked about in the contract here with the refs as well. Yeah. And that makes no sense. But like, this is going to, this play right here is going to decide the one seed in the NFC. Like we're talking about the playoffs, a buy, the most important thing. some of these teams need, especially in an 18-week, 17-game season. That bye week for the playoffs is massive, and this is the play that's going to most likely define who is the one seed in the NFC.

28:04Primetime games, a lot of eyes, a lot of important outcomes. Good luck to the refs. You're on a contract here. Remember, we need your best shit. And also, the guy, the Big 12 crew that repped the Texas A &M-Miami game, let's get them in the NFC. I don't know how we fast pass. I don't know how we fast pass, so let's get them up there. They seemingly understand ball. All of them. They have like a good feel for it. A &M fans might not agree. Why? They didn't like the flag not being thrown in the Torrey hit. On the helmet to helmet? Yeah, when he knocked himself out. Would it have mattered? Would they have changed play call?

28:36They would have had a fresh set of downs up there. That's a big boom. Whatever the case. Certainly helmet to helmet, though. Let's get to the number two headline coming out of the weekend. Philly flies over FOSTA back-to-back NFC titles. First time in 21 years somebody has won the NFC East back-to-back times. It is the Super Bowl champs. And when you talk about flying over fuss, it's every day. It's every day with this team, seemingly. And Nick Sirianni and the boys somehow remain focused. I love the fact that Cooper DeGene is dropping a five-knuckle shuffle, especially with everything that was going on in his potential rumored life.

29:09And then Jalen Hurts playing ball. Saquon Barkley doing his thing. The commander's obviously an interesting spot. But whenever you talk about going back-to-back in a division that hasn't had back-to-back, you have to respect it. A lot of primetime games. obviously very similar style of football year in year out. Eagles able to get it done. Do we think they can win a Super Bowl again and go back to back, not only NFC East, but also Super Bowl? You know, I'm a little biased here. I think so. You know, I think you have a quarterback, you have a coach, a coaching staff, a defense. You have guys pretty much who have done it already.

29:37So I think they're battle tested. This was a battle too. This was a cagey affair against a four-win Washington commanders team, and they found a way to get it done. They'll have to find that running game back. And I think when Lane Johnson gets back in there, it'll be a completely different run game. And Jalen Hurts has been looking better down the stretch. It was against, what, the Raiders and the Commanders now. You'll obviously be facing some good ball clubs down the stretch, but I think they have what it takes in the building to get it done in the playoffs. Devontae Smith blocking down the field here to free him.

30:05I mean, that's buy-in. That's commitment. Good for them in their biggest ball. And then the number one headline coming out of the weekend that was for the NFL, Mary Clint Schmiss. Hey, seven teams had a punch there to take it to the playoffs. Five in the NFC, two in the AFC. There's obviously a couple teams lurking. Congrats to the Seattle Seahawks, the Chicago Bears, Philadelphia Eagles, the Los Angeles Rams, and the San Francisco 49ers who are playing tonight. Congrats to them. Congrats. Congrats to the Broncos and to the Patriots. Way to go. Way to go. Thanks, guys. Thank you. The seeds that would be there would be where they would be sitting, but obviously the seeds can all change, and the top four seeds go to division champs.

30:43So, you know, that's just kind of where they're sitting at. Green Bay Packers, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers can obviously still make it. Carolina Panthers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Who's going to win the NFC South? Then in the NFC North, who else is going to get in? Then the AFC. I think it's kind of figured out who's going to be there. Con Man has an entire breakdown that he's going to do later. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's still some teams lurking like the Indianapolis Colts who would do a huge thing for their chances if they were to win tonight.

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