PMS 2.0 1486 - Dan Orlovsky, USMNT Player of the Year Chris Richards, JJ Watt, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

21:04So the fact that he does have that type of personality and he's willing to kind of just be like, you know what? No, this is, I own the team, but the GM and the head coach, they're going to be the ones that run everything. Like, you're right. You would assume that anyone on the market right now would be like, man, I would love to coach for that guy. I think I like Baltimore a lot more today than I did yesterday. Yeah. After that press conference. So, hey, businessman, you want your brand to go up a little bit? Bashadi mic'd up every game. I need Jerry Jones post-game press conferences. I need all the microphones in there.

21:40I need everything coming out of Bashadi's brain for the rest of the people. Imagine him watching a game live. Oh, just so many. Of course he's fucking. Think about Tyler Loop's kick missing and then Tomlin doing this. Into the camera and Bashadi. Because that was his first memory. I think I'm good with the Tomlin experience. After our kicker missed to let them kind of do their thing. And then if Tyler Loop makes that kick, is Harbaugh still the coach? Did you see what Houston just did to Pittsburgh? They're probably doing that to us. Same exact decision. It was like he was so transparent in there and hilarious.

22:18I love that man. Yeah, he's got the most panache I've seen out of an owner in a long, long time. Even Jerry Jones doesn't have the juice like that. If you are a coach, you guys have mentioned it, definitely want to go there. But even if they hire someone that you don't know, after watching that, you feel good about whoever they hire. Like, they were already the best shot because they had Lamar. They have good pieces on defense. They have good players on offense. They got the quarterback. But now, no matter who they get, I would feel great as a Baltimore Ravens fan. Like, I don't think there could have been a better press conference from an owner to kind of reestablish and kind of reaffirm, like, hey, don't worry.

22:51I'm going to get this right. I already got Harbaugh right, which was a great point too. The first thought is, why are they kind of firing Harbaugh? Is it a Pittsburgh thing? We're kind of sick of being done because they just went to the AFC Championship. They've had playoff success. It's not like they've been bad for multiple years and haven't won at all. But now with him coming out and saying all that, it's like, oh yeah, they are going to hire the next John Harbaugh. And it might be someone no one's ever heard of, even more so off the cuff than a steel ass. And he actually said that, like a quote.

23:21it was before the press conference came out, but he basically said, like, no one knew John Harbaugh, really, in NFL circles. I mean, obviously he comes from the family and everything, but I got killed when I hired him. He was like, I don't think – I think you, as an owner, you need to be willing to go find someone that no one else is looking at or no one else wants. Otherwise, you're just going to do what the masses are doing. He also said that he would not be scared to hire somebody that it didn't work out somewhere else. He also mentioned that. He said, just because it didn't work out in another building doesn't make me believe that it won't work out here.

23:52He said that in there as well. So he's keeping it completely open. Cliff Kingsbury was in there interviewing for the job. I assume there's going to be a lot of people in there interviewing for the job. Flores, B-Flow, obviously go defense over there in the AFC North. Pittsburgh Steelers fans are hoping to God for Chris Shula out of the Los Angeles Rams. Shula and Shilhaas. That's what they're saying. Joining us now is a man who might have a couple more opinions about it all. He is the NFL and quarterback guru for ESPN, friend of the program ladies and gentlemen dan rolovsky yeah

24:24lunchtime never stops what are you eating today buddy i don't know i don't know when you're gonna come to me i'm sitting here watching sorry yeah it's all good what are you eating anything good oh dot's pretzels very very good squirrel these pretzels are making me thirsty so good luck out there with those i'm thankful that you joined us super cool polo that you have on today you always look awesome let's talk about what we were just talking about there did you know bashati was awesome and if you're ranking these jobs uh can we put the nfl head coaching vacancies if you're ranking these jobs which ones do you have at the top of the list if you were a candidate that could potentially go wherever you wanted to go yeah bashati's great every time we hear him talk he's awesome i also have a one of my like childhood childhood best friends works down for the ravens He's been there for 15 years and he always is like, yo, we have the coolest owner in the town or in the league.

25:16So I've heard nothing but like, yeah, I've heard nothing but like just awesome, awesome things about him. I would tell you just surface level, I think the best available job when it comes to the ability to win now is Atlanta. I believe that this football team has got, excuse me, crazy amounts of talent. They've got an offensive line that's one of the 10 best offensive lines in football. Really good receivers, really good tight end. One of the best players in football. A defense that's loaded with young athletic players. I understand that they don't have a quarterback right now because of the Michael Penick's injury and the question mark attached to Kirk.

25:54I believe Kirk is going to get cut and then maybe resign type of thing. But I think if Kirk Cousins played this year in Atlanta, they would have 10, if not 11 wins. I think if he plays next year in Atlanta, they're a 10-11 win team. But I just look at Atlanta with the addition of Matt Ryan in a division that's got some, you know, long-term question marks. And if you can find a quarterback, I understand easier said than done. But if you can find good quarterback play in Atlanta with the young talent that they have, man, you can get good real fast. I love that thought. I love that take. They hired Matt Ryan as the president of football.

26:29He's saying, hey, I'm hiring the general manager. I'm hiring a coach, and then it's their job to figure it out. They have a president and a CEO of the business. They bring in Matt Ryan to be the president of football. I hope that he's able to get it right down there because I like ex-players getting involved in the business of sport. Let's continue to talk business of sport. Offense coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, who no Eagles fan has liked since day one. Petulo, officially fired, relieved of his duties over there in Philadelphia. Jalen Hurts now is going to have a brand-new offense coordinator.

26:56I believe the quote that I saw from one of the tweets that was out there about it is like this dude has obviously had a new voice in his helmet every single year since like junior year of college like this has just been a new new new new new now if you have success and you're good that's going to happen I guess in this modern world that we're in offense coordinators getting plucked up all the time to go different places what are your thoughts on the entire situation was it a Petulo blame that should have been for the entire year this offense and then Hembo sent some stats about RPO yards with Jalen Hurts with the Philadelphia Eagles from like 2020 yeah Yeah, 2022 with Steichen, 1 ,498 yards.

27:33He was doing that with Danny Dimes this year. It was awesome to watch. 2023, 827 with Johnson. Kelly Moe had 1 ,733 yards. They win the Super Bowl that year. And then Petullo, 620. Is that all on Petullo? Is that on players? Like, what is kind of your thoughts on where the Philadelphia Eagles sit and where Petullo was a part of the problem or not? There is no question the starting point problem was Kevin Petullo. and simply put this offense was everything that you don't want to or can't be in the nfl they were unbelievably predictable they were crazy simple they didn't make adjustments in fact they did on a consistent basis the opposite teams adjusted versus the things that they would do and you know the first couple drives of the game and they never had the counter punch ready ready i think the other thing and the most glaring thing is everybody on this offense outside of Dallas Goddard got worse this year.

28:24AJ Brown got worse. The offensive line got worse. Saquon Barkley got worse. Jalen Hurts got worse, significantly worse, many guys. And so Dallas Goddard led the team in touchdowns. And so like he improved his play, but to watch the lack of development for each individual player coming off of last year, that has to fall on Kevin Petulo. I think the other elements that are attached to this, because obviously there's butterfly effect here is if you just go by whether your eye tells you this from a football's perspective or not is one the offensive line was probably from a pass protection standpoint the worst offensive line they've had in a decade so that's a huge concern how and why did that happen in philadelphia and what i don't like that's happened in philly and we saw it a little bit a week after harbaugh got released or the conversation with harbaugh getting let go in Baltimore was like the smear campaigns on the quarterbacks.

29:20Okay, like, oh, now Lamar's got issues with this person or that person. Lamar doesn't go to meetings. He doesn't prepare the way we want all of a sudden. So that came out. And then since this ending of the season for Philadelphia and the Petulo news, it's a lot of like, oh, Jalen Hurts and Jalen Hurts and Jalen Hurts. I've had people message me saying, well, it's Jalen, it's Jalen and Jalen. Here's my pushback to those people. And I want to be respectful. Okay. Please. Jalen is not ever going to be he's never going to be a top five or seven passing quarterback he's just not built that way but to sit here and tell me that you can only run this very specific version of an offense and because of the quarterback that's all you can do yet he's gone to the playoffs like I think four to five seasons maybe five seasons in a row they've gone to two Super Bowls they've been to NFC championship games he's been the best player in two Super Bowls Like there's no way that you can convince me that the quarterback limits your offense so much that you're so inept for a stretch of a season.

30:27Yet that same quarterback went and did what he did in those biggest games. So like, yeah, I don't blame Dano. That's bonding. Yeah. And it's and I'm not sitting here telling people that Jalen's going to be this remarkable passing quarterback. He's not going to be the guy that eats in the middle of the field on a consistent basis. No. but I do think it's outrageous that we can all take a step back, look at the body of work and go, even though he's done all that or been a part of all that, this offense stinks because of him. And it's because he stinks. I just think that's such a lazy way to think about it.

31:02It just happened last year with Caleb, right? Yeah. Caleb, this guy doesn't have a clue. Can't even read a playbook. This guy's got no idea. So we couldn't put any plays that were good because he stinks. And then Ben Johnson's like, good, better, best. Never let it rest. So good, better. And better is best. It's like, it's coaches that are not good, I think, personally. If this is what is happening right now in Philadelphia, pawning blame on others. It's like whenever general managers and coaches don't get along. And the coaches say, I don't get any good players from this guy. And the GM says, coaches can't develop anybody.

31:37It's always just covering an ass situation. But the greats don't cover their ass. The greats kick ass. Okay. Kind of a bar right there. And I think that is kind of the difference in the separator of it all. And if Jalen Hurts gets an offensive coordinator back in there that wants to utilize what he is good at as opposed to what the offensive coordinator thinks he should be good at, that's when magic happens. Now, on that note, let's talk some coordinators. Go ahead, D-Butt. Yeah, absolutely. I know you know your name is hot right now on the OC trail. And there are some great offensive coordinator positions available.

32:10what's the best oc spot available right now with these quarterbacks and these skill positions out there in your opinion uh the best available job as a play call would be the los angeles chargers um you know the chargers they had one of the best offensive lines of football this year before the injury so if you look at the chargers one just the investments that the building and the general manager and coach have made into the football team in specific protection of the quarterback and yes, injuries. Okay. So you've got, from a philosophical standpoint, we want the quarterback to be protected. The second element is their perimeter players are good players.

32:49Keenan Allen still is one of the best third down receivers in football. I like Ladd McConkie as a slot guy and an outside guy. I think Quentin Johnson took steps forward. The young man that they took out of Ole Miss in the second round this year, Trey Harris, he started to make some plays. You've got a good back in Omari and Hampton. And so I think what's needed next in LA, if you just had to ask me like, okay, what's, what's going to be the most important, at least like, what's the philosophy for the chargers? You, you want to take an offense. That's a little bit that what Joe Brady does in Buffalo is okay.

33:24Let's get a little bit simplistic in our run approach. We don't always have to overthink things. We want our offensive line to be able to dominate. Let's allow our back to lean on defensive backs. So let's get our back to the second level in our run game. We can build some stuff off of that. Understand the importance of yard after the catch. And in today's NFL, D, but you know this. If you're an offense that doesn't utilize, yeah, yards after the catch, and I don't care how you get there. I don't care how you get there. But if you don't utilize space and yards after the catch, you're handcuffing yourself a little bit.

33:56And so that's something that the Chargers did not do a good job of. It's something that the Buffalo Bills and Joe Brady do a great job of. So that stuff. And then also like there's there was too much for the Chargers with Greg and Greg Roman's a great run game stuff. But the run game stuff never caught up to and married what the past game needed to be from a concept style. Like you've got to have real NFL concepts that on a week to week basis attack the coverages that you're going to see and coverages and debunk. you know this i could i could see cover two one week which is your traditional cover two which flat corners deep path safety and you know you're hooking deep middle player and then i could see the cover two next week and it's your traditional tampa two and then i could see cover two next week and it's cover two where they're going to carry guys rather than play with vision and then i could see cover two where there's a palms where guys are reading if they're going to the flat or not so like you're going to have different concepts to attack just those versions of cover two Not just, we like this play versus cover two last week, so let's run it again next week.

35:05And so I just went on a tangent there. But, like, I'm more. Yeah, it was an OC interview. I love it. You sound like you were laying out kind of your philosophy if you were to be an offense coordinator. Evan Foxy of the Detroit Lions would like to speak. Orlovsky, what the hell? I know you saw me stick my neck out for you and for the Lions OC job. And then you look at this list right here. I saw a picture. And you look at all these teams. I mean, we have Goff, Gibbs, St. Brown, J-Mo, Monty, LaPorta. The O-line is going to get better. You know MCDC's going to do this. And you have the audacity to say that the Chargers, with Justin Herbert, who I don't believe has even won a playoff game, is the best position.

35:46And you know what? Lions fans are going to be really mad at me for doing this right here. I don't want you as our OC anymore. You're off the list, man. Oh, fuck. And my unsent. Yeah, Foxy, a couple of things. A couple of things. One, your beard looks great. Okay, your beard looks great. Classic coach in here, by the way. Yeah, two, I didn't want to connect the dots too much, make it too obvious, right? So I just didn't want everyone to see, like, oh, Foxy one day, then Roloski the next day. So I also love everything about Detroit. Detroit's loaded, loaded, loaded, loaded, loaded. I want the interior of the offensive line to be better.

36:25But, yeah, great place. Okay, you don't think MCDC would do that? man. What are you talking about? They try to get Ragnall literally out of the casket. They try to get Ragnall out of the casket. They picked his body up, rolled it out. It was a coffin drop actually. It goes through the bottom. They roll his ass out there and then he's back. Everybody says, come on man, just tell him he's back. Walks into the training room. They go, your whole body's broken. You got two broken legs. Can't play. Just like we said, what was that, a month ago you tried to roll your ass in here? You're dead, dude. This can't happen.

36:55You're out of here. Thought we'd get you that time, man. We need you. We need you, brother. So we know he's going to fix that. Obviously, you going back there, former teammate of MCDCs, with everything you just did, is Palms covered too? Is there a converted cover too? Is there a this covered too? I've been with Jared Goff before. I was with Jared his first month with Sean McVay, and then they fired me. Yeah, but you've been there. You saw a little baby Goff. Then he turned into Goof. They were trying to run him out of time. And then he's reborn, which I think you're a big fan of. A rebirth happens.

37:27Goofloski. Right up there in Detroit. Yeah. That'd be cool, Dan, if you were calling plays. Imagine you and MCDC standing next to each other. He'd just look at you. Don't have all the answers when you're not on TV, huh, man? Must be nice on Monday on Get Up to be able to say it. He would say that. It'd be awesome for us to call Dan. Dan, why'd you run an RPO with golf? Dan, what were you thinking on this fourth down? That's what I would think. They'd probably ban our phone call up there, that building. You know how that whole thing goes up there. But it would be cool to see you up there. And if you were to go from 0-16 to the Super Bowl title.

38:02Build a statue. Right now. Dano with MCDC. Pat him right there on the head. Next to that big sign that says Detroit, like Hollywood. Oh, yeah. On the highway. That's a good sign. That thing's much smaller in real life than it looks on the internet. But I do like that they did it. I do like that they did it. Anything else? Any final closing arguments here on why you would either want to do it or not want to do it in Detroit? Oh, I would do it very much so in Detroit. I love that place. I love that organization. I love a lot of those people that are there. I love Jared. I'm a huge Jared guy. I don't think that's actually me.

38:35It's like you and MCDC's child. No, well, once you get in that building, he's going to force you to work out. You're going to get jacked again. You're going to do the whole thing. A lot of creatine. Is that medium, that polo you're currently wearing now? Yeah. Most just single, let's call it a polo or t-shirt, more often than not I'm in a medium nowadays which I'm not stoked about I don't know if MCDC's hiring a medium where he just had Mike McDaniel and he's a small guy that's what I'm saying though but that's like comic books yeah no you're right Johnny Mo was a medium though his shirt just came up above his gut and where's he at now that's true yeah exactly that's a good point yeah so I wear a large hoodie hoodies are a large Detroit it's always poopy the thing about being small like you are or like i don't think i'm small sorry sorry think about being frail like you are dude frail you're not small either like because mcdaniel is small and frail so he could be mcdc's backpack yeah which i think mcdc does think about whenever he's hiring somebody oc bjorn yeah exactly maybe this way or even that way if he wants to lead the baby bjorn there's a chance the mcdaniel bjorn is possible with mcdc size i have worn my wife and a baby bjorn for a whole night for halloween costume the whole night so you guys were spidering it the whole night she was she was she was in the baby bjorn like a baby yeah so she was out outward you know uh like a night she's committed all night all night stafford halloween party probably your back so so you're walking like this the whole time or what do you have going on like this or should her feet down Yep.

40:19No, Herfrey were not down. No, she was in a legit baby Bjorn the whole night at Stafford's Halloween party, probably 2014 or 15. Because it was Zach Galenafakis from Hangover, the moment with the... Galifianakis. Galifianakis. One of the greatest stand-up I've ever seen is Purple... Purple Onion. Yeah, a lot from Purple Onion. Galifianakis, this guy's going to crush it, man. And? He did. And he did. Yeah. Yeah, he certainly did. Galifianakis' cousin? Yeah, he gets one. But you start thinking about your wife and the baby Bjorn, you start scratching yourself down there. I mean, geez, Louise, take it easy over there.

40:59Shout out to the Orlovskis. Killed it. Good find here, Bruce. I look like Foxy. Well, are you trying to go to Detroit or not? Galifianakis' cousin, though? Blue here in Indianapolis. That midter talk, I see mid. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Pop it back up. They're talking about seeing mid. I'm talking about Galifianakis' cousin. But, yeah, we see talking Mitt in you more so than Foxy. Saying you look like Foxy is a massive compliment to yourself because of how handsome Foxy is all the time. Good-looking dude. But you also, good-looking dude, especially at this stage of life with how frail you are. Now, let's move along.

41:32Maybe you are the defense of our Detroit Lions offense coordinator. We'd be pumped to see it, especially, oh, my God, D 'Amico Ryan's in that Houston Texans defense just doing this to Dan. Oh, where's the microphone, Dan? put some more makeup on and go on TV, Dan. You're like, well, they're running palms too. Pulling the thing down. Fudging knock it off. And put it back up. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, exactly. The amount of this one. Fudging quit it. All right, Goff, we need a fudging first down. All right, let's move along with some other storylines and some other coaches that are potentially about to pop off.

42:07Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Dano, Harbaugh down here in Baltimore, it feels like he's going to head up to the New York Giants. How do you feel about that fit? It feels as though Harbaugh with Jackson Dart might be a success. Who do you see him kind of bringing in to be the OC maybe, help Jackson Dart take the rookie success he had onto the next future years of his career? And then who do you see him kind of bringing in as DC as well? Do you see that staff being one of the better ones, and do you think that is a good fit for John Harbaugh to have the most success?

42:44oh man um harbaugh is a great coach if he goes to the giants i do have two giant question marks about offensive court defensive quarters or coordinator so if you go with the offensive coordinators that he's kind of been mostly attached to it's been greg roman and todd monken i would tell you that with jackson darts style i would prefer todd monken just because again Again, Roman's outstanding when it comes to his run game design, but Mankin's better when it comes to some of the past game designs. And so is Todd Mankin going to be the offensive coordinator if Harbaugh goes to the Giants that goes with him?

43:21So that would be step number one. I don't know who else would be attached to Coach Harbaugh and whatnot when it comes to some of his past or the people that would be going with him. But if it was going to be Mankin, I do like that. To your point, I think the second question would be who's the defensive coordinator? I think there's a lot of people that have a lot of respect for Zach Gore. That being said, there's been two times in both seasons that he's been the offensive defensive coordinator that they have had significant stretches of really bad football. Not bad football, really bad football.

43:55They started the 24 season. They were awful on the back end. Awful. Worst defense in football when it comes to that stuff. Makes a couple moves, moves a couple pieces around. They play a lot better. They start this season. They're awful on defense. They can't stop anyone when it comes into the run game. Their front seven plays at a very poor level and move a couple pieces around. Then they start to play a little bit better, not as dominant as we're accustomed to. So, yeah, I do think it's a fair question to say, like, is it Zach Gore as the defensive coordinator? And is that the best thing? So, obviously, he's a great coach.

44:28You know, I would like him in New York. I very much so like Kevin Stefanski in New York. Those would be by far my two favorite leading candidates for that job. What about, okay, you like Stefanski, got that like Harbaugh. For Harbaugh, what about Jim Caldwell, offense coordinator? Yeah, I love Coach Caldwell. Coach Caldwell has had a tremendous impact on my life. I don't know where Coach Caldwell stands on coaching. I know that this years ago he got out of it. I don't know where he stands on how much he wants to coach and call plays. I'm a little bit more of a fan of some of the new blood, some of the new energy.

45:06I have said this. I don't think right now if you're hiring an offensive coach, whether it's going to be your head coach that calls plays or your offensive coordinator, I don't think it makes a ton of sense to hire someone that doesn't have a background that's attached to the Shanahan world. We just are watching that offense for any level of quarterback, whether they're an established guy or a younger guy we're watching that offense just have such a tremendous positive impact on and on the quarterback and everybody and so like if i'm hiring somebody it doesn't mean you have to major in it but i want you to have some type of attachment that because because at the premise of that offense it is illusion everything's about illusion what what are we trying to sell you are you buying it and then how do we build things off of that stuff.

45:59We're taking the complicated and making it simple for us. We're taking the simple to you and make it complicated for you. And so that's like the starting point of that offense. And I think if you're hiring somebody that's going to be your offensive coordinator and your play caller, you want them to have that style of background, at least the understanding of it. Go back to that play right there. Fake jet sweep, fake pitch, slant, touch. I mean, do you stop that you get you get you look at watch watch the receiver yeah i mean you got linebackers going one way linebackers going another way safety's looking at a different thing and then all of a sudden it's a one-on-one with a corner at the goal line on a slant which is impossible to stop yeah i gotta protect your level you got a tight uh split like that nine times out of ten you're going to be outside leverage just because of all that field outside right you did a great job being patient getting a good release and then just kind of getting skinny.

46:53All the other eye candy shouldn't impact him as a corner if you lock the one-on-one. That's obviously a good throw. Those linebackers will be no help with all the other shit going on in the backfield. Look at number 30. I don't know who that is. Is that Coop? Blankenship? It appears to be an exciting white nine-arm situation. Run that. Following the jet sweep gets completely out of position. Then the fake pitch gets 17 out of position. Then all of a sudden, you just open up the hole literally for him to throw it. How do you find a passing lane? It's like, well let's just create one well what do we need to do well we need this guy to go this way right all right let's run more this way we need somebody go that way okay let's fake this loud fake by the way that ball is above the offensive line yeah so you can have to bite on it and then all of a sudden we're sitting we have a passing lane now brock purdy not six foot five okay but in the ability to set up blocking for runs and passing lanes for his quarterback it does feel like shanahan is what they like to say in his bag aq it's all the details too i think dan was going to probably mention it, but if you look at Robinson, the receiver up top, watch him walk off the ball, sell the run, and then get right into it.

47:54Yeah, it's all the little things. That's what Dan Orlovsky's potentially bringing in town. That's what he's potentially bringing to town. Fine throws. Now, on that note, Dan Orlovsky, potentially offense coordinator for somebody. You know, he's been lobbying for jobs for years out here. Now it feels like maybe there's a chance for him to go. Okay. Let's get him to Tampa. Him and Baker. Baker. Oh my God. He's in a pod. Him wearing one of those stupid hats too because the sun he would definitely be so dramatic with that down there it would be maybe visor dan or i don't hate that let's not talk about any other job other than i have a lot of landing space for sun me too brother yeah that's why we got to wear the big ones out there that's that's part of our build that's part of the coccoids you know that's just kind of how it goes in this entirety son is not necessarily kind to us after the original burn though there's a nice little glow yeah there's a glow hey how we doing yeah i was in his son a week ago and then that's gone and then we got to start the process over again to turn into this color but let's talk about you being an offense coordinator with what some of these defenses are right now more specifically one of them go ahead aq yeah we all know it's inevitable you're going to be an offensive coordinator sooner than later so when you are an offensive coordinator How do you attack this Houston Texans defense?

49:09Unbelievable. Yeah, you have to take shots at the safeties. You have to. If you don't build different ways to take a max protection shot at the safeties, I think it's, I mean, we all grew up in offenses where it's like one a quarter. I think it's a minimum. You're just not going to drive the length of the field over four quarters against this defense. They're too fast. They're too physical. They tackle too well. They don't give you cheap yards. that's the story of Houston and Seattle you don't get cheap yards against this defense okay so what's the next step everything AQ you know you know like the starting point is how are we going to block the front how are we going to block the front how are you going to block the front every play has to how are we going to block the front okay I think you have to take shots at their safeties in the play action pass game you've got to displace different leverages um with when it comes to their secondary players and and hope that those safeties get ultra aggressive with some of their eyes you're not going to hit them all but i don't think that you're sitting there going all right let's go on a 10 play drive against this offense it's just unlikely um i don't think you should ever single up your tackle i don't think i don't think like like me i why why is dk blocking petrie i that doesn't make sense to my brain okay it just doesn't um i don't think you should ever block your tack a single up your tackle like the front that they get get in all the time aq especially if they think you're passing is that overload front where they'll put like daniel or will by himself yeah and then they take the other three and put them on the other side of the center so we call that that that clip right there so see will's by himself so your starting point at the bottom of your screen is do you want to block willie anderson one-on-one no so then you have to take the tackle and the back as the chip so those two then they take the three other guys the 2d tackle and the opposite d end and then it's four on three but what happens is will eventually is just the chip so he's one-on-one and then you have so look at the two offensive linemen they're just blocking one so like if you just you can't it's mad like you you just can't one-on-one block those guys but i think you got to take shots at their safeties and um you got to have a quarterback that's going to hit them on a consistent basis now on that note can quarterback not just immediately see that and run for five yards right to the left right there as soon as that ball snapped no matter what's called because it was three on one side one on the other hey if we see this look, go ahead and out.

51:27Out. We're Red Sea in this thing for four or five yards. It's third and eight. Go get five. Oh, it's only happening on third and longer. Also, you have no idea how many different combination blitzes and line stunts and twists you can run out of that. Combinations. I don't care what you're running when Shelton Rankins is doing that to your guard. Thank God. Looking up at his quarterback. But that's their go-to, man. That's their go-to. And they weren't worried about a scramble respectfully with eight back there. it may be a little different looks of Drake May on these downs and distances. You'll have those backers or a guy like Petrie, you know, running around.

52:00But so many eyes on a quarterback all the time, so it's tough to really get. Now, I have faith in Vrabel. I think he's a super genius. I think McDaniel's also super genius when it comes to this stuff. I have a lot of appreciation for Drake May. That pocket's been collapsing, though. Like last week, Drake May, two fumbles because he goes up into pocket and then bang, he has no seeming. They're going to give the left side of that Patriots offensive line L. Yeah, and Vrabel knows that though, right? Like that is something that Vrabel understands, we would assume at this stage of it. So I'm excited to see how they joust against this defense that has been demoralizing to everybody that they have played against.

52:34We've been trying to warn people, hey, this Texans defense is a demoralizer. They are going to come in and they're going to ruin your night. Now, if you get out of there with a win, congrats. But it's going to be a hard road for the entirety of the game. Yeah, and that's definitely the biggest worry. Another thing would be, you know, the whole entire thing with Houston is they don't disguise. Like, if they were to start disguising just for this game or for the game's remaining out of nowhere, and I guess, Deba, it might be a better question for you, like, how easy is it to do that? To just, hey, we're going to completely disguise and change our – does it change their defense or is it more so just pre-snap stuff they can kind of switch around?

53:10They could definitely do it on certain downs and distances, red area, different things like that. and they'll have different wrinkles for each offense. But for them, it's like they do what they do. And it's a reason just like Legion of Boom, like they do what you do. Now the Patriots, on the other hand, they did a ton of disguise and they do a lot of different shit on the back end. But they're so talented at what they do, just been in their positions. It's almost like why? Why would you do it? They definitely can do it. Yeah, I would say this to answer your question from an offensive perspective, Boston is like when teams don't disguise and they're a little bit simplistic in their scheme like Houston is, they know exactly where we want to attack them so they know where they're weak and so that lends them that lends them to like knowing exactly where they have to be there's no hesitation they get to play crazy fast and the counter to it with these disguised teams is like i'll give you an example and deep butt would speak on this too is the rams defensively if you watch that rams in carolina tape i can find you 10 clips where the rams are completely out of coverage i don't like I'm talking nowhere within 10, 15 yards of certain receivers because they're trying to disguise so much.

54:20And so that's where you can get yourself into trouble is unless everybody's truly on the same page and knows how it all has to kind of be connected, you can get yourself caught. The contrast is New England. I went on TV on Monday. I was like, I got no idea what New England's running from a defensive perspective. I got no clue. And I say that as a respectful thing. As a quarterback, I'm sitting there going, I don't know if this is two, four, weak buzz, eight. Are you playing zone? Are you playing man? Like you're just, so I can imagine as a play caller, you're looking at your call sheet going, all right, well, this is a good coverage versus this or play versus this coverage.

54:57I don't know if they're even playing that. All right, well, Dan, in the middle of you potentially getting an OC job, we don't need you saying you don't know what anybody's doing, especially after watching all 22. But you weren't the only one that said that. I think the Chargers players came out and said, we had no idea what they were doing. We didn't really know what was going on. So that's what I'm talking about. I cannot wait to watch Vrabes. I cannot wait to watch D 'Amico. Playoffs, man. Like, I'm excited to watch them battle. Every game. Across the board, that's how I feel. Patriots fan more so for that one.

55:24But all of these games, I cannot wait to just see how they play out. All right, Dan, we appreciate the hell out of you, buddy. You look good in that medium. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Olowski. Yay! All right, ladies and gentlemen, It's time to announce how we will be giving away the first pair of national championship tickets. We'll be giving away six tickets. Shout out to our friends at SeatGeek. They did not give us the tickets. We just purchased them off of SeatGeek. They're nice. Hunter-level tickets. We'll give away a pair today. We'll give away a pair tomorrow. And then we'll give away a pair on Friday.

55:51We can't thank everybody enough for potentially reaching out and saying, hey, how do we do this? How do we win? Here's how you will win today's giveaway. Hashtag PMS SeatGeek word search. You got to find the words containing either IU or UM in our lower third graphics today. Boom. For instance, whenever this pops up, bang, you see the IU down there in let's. You see it. It just popped up there. It's in right in the middle, L-E, and then the IU there, and then the T and the S right there. So the word there would be let's. So let's go ahead and gather that word. Once all six words have been revealed over the next hour, remove the IU and the UM from the words, and then put them in order with the hashtag PMS Seek Geek Word Search onto X.

56:29The first 10 people who have it correct will be entered into a random pool selected, and one person will win the pair from today. We will have another contest tomorrow and another contest on Friday. This is not travel and hotel, and if you spell the words wrong or put them in wrong order, you will be disqualified. So good luck to all. The first word is let's. Good luck for the rest of the five. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We hope you potentially win a pair of tickets to the national championship. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice, it might change your life.

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57:06Hello beautiful people and welcome back to our humble the boat the Thunderdome on this watch Wednesday January 14, 2026 Our tour of the program begins now Football! It's fantastic, we're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about it every single day We thank you for that particular opportunity We know there's a lot of other things you could be doing with your life The fact that you hang out with us is outrageous Potentially a poor life choice but we love that you do it and we appreciate the hell out of you Now, today's a big day, obviously We've been chit-chatting about everything happening around the football world The divisional round is just a few days away The national championship is coming up on Monday.

57:45We're doing a ticket giveaway that started literally three minutes ago and will continue throughout the entirety of this hour where you will have to keep your eyes on the lower third graphics that pop up here. If you see an IU or UM in the middle of a word, go ahead and write that word down. And then once, there's the first one right there. Boom. There's the first one right there. Let's would be the first word. Go ahead and take IU out of there. Put let's down. Once the show is over, once the SeatGeek giveaway is over, You will have to tweet what the sentence is out of the six words onto X using the hashtag PMSCGeekWordSearch.

58:16If you're a part of the first 10 to get it right, you'll be randomly selected to be a winner. Congratulations, whoever that is. We appreciate everybody for participating. Spelling errors, words wrong, eliminated. If you keep the IU and the UM in the word, eliminated. This does not include hotel and travel. Okay, we apologize. the reason why we're doing this these ticket prices are insane for this ticket giveaway and this is not to pat us on the back obviously we give away a lot around here because we're very thankful for what we have and also we appreciate everybody who allows us to do this for a living so if we didn't give back to the people that make it possible we'd be outrageous that's that's what that is we spent 50 000 on these six tickets that we're going to be giving away over the next three days 100 level obviously down near the field they're very pricey tickets they all are national championship in Miami Miami's back in there and then oh yeah the Indiana University alumni base is the biggest in the country so and they got a lot of money a lot of business people which is obviously Sig is reaping the benefit of that so is the basketball team so the ticket price seemingly only going up normally for these types of events we did this with the Super Bowl many years no we didn't do it other people did never we heard of other people doing this you get two tickets to the Super Bowl.

59:33Every player in the NFL, basically. So then there was always somebody not that we didn't do this. Others did this. There's always somebody trying to get to other people's tickets to say, hey, I know a guy who's who's willing to pay this amount for that ticket right now. OK, so Monday, Tuesday, that pitch is coming. Then Wednesday, Thursday, that pitch is coming. And then if you were able to hold, hold, hold Friday, Saturday, there's another pitch coming depending upon who's in the game and how it's all going is the ticket prices value at the beginning of the week if it's not that good of a team you know team matchup probably going to be worth more than at the end of the week whenever everybody's dying off because they don't want to travel to the particular game but with this being in miami and miami playing in indiana's first national championship in football in forever the expectation is that the prices are only going to go up throughout the week and people are going to get more desperate as it gets closer to the game which is a wild phenomenon this is not normal and i think the ticket brokers obviously enjoying this sea geek has the greatest ticket prices out of everybody on planet earth and the moon and we get your 30 bucks off it's not gonna matter okay oh sorry hundred dollars off that's not gonna matter okay p-a-t-100 for a hundred dollars off shout out to sea geek for doing that and then hopefully you'll be able to win today's contest with the lower third six words will be put on these lower third graphics.

1:00:54We will not point them out every single time. All you'll have to do is put the words into a tweet in order. Use the hashtag PMS Seat Geek Word Search and you could potentially win a pair. We appreciate you all. The Talks table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here. Twelve-year NFL vet Super Bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley is here. Great season out of you, AQ. Great season out of you, boys. It's my favorite time of the year. Divisional round is a good time. Super wildcard weekend was super it's the best it was i mean it is the best most amount of ball that matters and also every single game delivered except for the monday night game yeah and that didn't really become a block until fourth quarter so i would say for five games three quarters there was a delivery from super wildcard weekend let alone semi-finals that came from college football before that divisional round now this really hey this is where the rubber hits the road yeah slow fast this is this is where we get going the both number one seeds back in action teams had to earn their way to this weekend and this is going to be special ball this weekend two on saturday two on sunday and then the big one on monday night carson beck fernando mendoza miami versus iu i'm excited about it all one more question on the giveaway because i got a lot of people calling me trying to figure out how to get in the game uh to submit you can only submit on x is that true i know we kind of live on it okay Strictly because their search is the easiest way to figure out who posts when.

1:02:22By far. Got it. So, like, other platforms don't have the best search to be able to find, like, giveaway winners. So we always do our giveaways on X strictly because hashtag with search, latest scroll. Now, there has been a couple times in the past where maybe there was a glitch in the coding, you know. And obviously, you're banking on it being accurate in it all. but we have learned through doing thousands of giveaways at this point thousands of giveaways at this point that X is the easiest way for us to find the actual participants for the randomization is what we have learned so yes, on X, have to use the hashtag PMS SeatGeek Word Search good luck to everybody we hope you win we'll be down on a sideline that's outrageous outrageous we get to do that and that's not where the tickets are you said 100 level 100 level is not the field might as well be on the sideline no it's uh it's not the same thing but you get it yeah great ticket it is interesting because the people who see us put the field pass thing up like oh i won't can i come with you i got people running into me in public whatever i'm uh driving to pick up something for the dog or something like that and they'll come field pass how do i go i want the pass how do i get you're giving away a field pass you're gonna be on the It's like, no, I don't know how.

1:03:42Like us getting on a sideline really hard, the amount of securities and checkpoints that go through that. Peach Bowl especially. They were all over it. You walked two feet there. Let me see your credential right now. As it should be, by the way. Yeah, for sure. It's a special place, so two tickets will be given away today. We appreciate that. Joining us now live from Manatic in Ohio, ladies and gentlemen, former national champion himself, A.J. Haw. Yeah, Haw. Hawker, how you doing, brother? I'm doing great. How are you guys doing? Not bad. Not as good as whoever wins these two tickets. You know what I mean, H?

1:04:11I've just been paying attention to the whole scroll the whole time. I can't even pay attention. I have a hard time focusing because I'm just waiting for the next word to pop up. Well, don't do that because it's supposed to just be – we're not supposed to draw attention to it, but I think watch came up. I don't know if everybody saw it. I missed it already. I missed it. Yeah, exactly. You guys. See? Boom. It's right down there. You see that? So I pointed out two now. I'm done with it. Okay. Okay? You got to figure it out. You decide. You choose. Do you remember that from Rookie Symposium? Who was that?

1:04:42Who said that? Chris Carter? No, Chris Carter came and yelled at us and told us how we had no respect. Well, we also needed Fulga. Fulga. That wasn't our – I don't think he did that speech in our Rookie Symposium. We had Willie Brown. Yeah, he yelled at us. We yelled at a lot in that entire thing. Then there was a skit. Do you remember the skit about making bad decisions? No, I don't. Oh, that's my favorite. I remember that. You decide. You choose. Yeah, he was like a motivational guy. Yeah, and he had a skit. and something popped up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some lady wanted to, you know, do this entire thing.

1:05:11And then he paused the skit, and then he'd say, I could change my life entirely right now. Fall into this. You decide. You choose. And everybody around him. He said freeze. He said freeze. Yeah, that's right. Same thing. I was there three or four years before he got it. He'd freeze. And everyone would freeze, and they would go through all the scenarios. You decide. You choose. Stuck with you guys. Three out of four. It did. It did. You just got to think about my altitude whenever this is all happening. As I'm watching, like now that you guys know me a little bit better, we're being forced to sit through this entire thing.

1:05:41We're getting yelled at by people we've never met before. We got to go in the other breakout rooms and talk to people we've never met. It was cool to see everybody of our draft class. I think that was an upside of it all. No doubt. But these presentations were just like any conference. Brutal. I think that's a good way to describe it. Brutal. But I try to enjoy all those moments. You know, I'm like, all right, here we go. There's going to be a story out of this. And when this skit guy popped up on the screen, it was like Drewski swinging in. That's literally what it was. I can never ever forget.

1:06:09Keep going, Drewski. That's what they should have, didn't you? You decide. He needs to watch one of those and do an entire thing on it. It was 15 minutes of just the most ludicrous things. Somebody coming up with cocaine, you know, to a guy. And he's like, freeze! This could change my life entirely. What if I do this? What if the cops, what if this is a cop? Bah, bah, bah. You decide. you choose and then the entire skate group kind of reorganizes quickly nice little music they get into a whole new thing and it was like jeez louise and then chris killed us afterwards joining us now speaking of chris's ladies and gentlemen this man is from the world of soccer this man is going to help lead the united states of america to a world cup championship hell yeah joining us now crystal palace legend from alabama roll tide from what i've been told ladies and gentlemen chris richard how are you brother i'm good how are y 'all good you decide you choose did you just learn about uh do you guys get this skit in the soccer world as well or only in our world do we get this no it's just y 'all's world where y 'all get that okay well yeah you guys don't need it you guys You're so locked in.

1:07:21We just ran 45 miles. Okay, we don't have time to maybe pick up cocaine from a cop at a club. I get it. We kind of do our entire thing. Chris, tell me a little bit about Crystal Palace. You being an American who's playing over in England and showcasing well for us, I guess you're in the middle of contract negotiations, potentially. You won the FA Cup. How is life over there, and how do you think it's preparing you for a United States run in the World Cup? Yeah, it's great. I mean, Crystal Palace is in London, so it's very different from where I grew up in Birmingham, but it's amazing. And we had a really good season, a historic season here at Crystal Palace.

1:07:53And again, it's just we won trophies and it's, you know, I want more. It makes me yearn more trophies. And so it's exactly what I want to do with the national team. I want to continue to win things and win big trophies. Tell me about Coach Ponch a little bit, how he potentially differs from anybody else you've ever met or what he's trying to do with the U.S. national team. Yeah, I mean, I think one of the reasons why the Federation hired him is because he's so ambitious. You know, I think you can tell with every team he's been at, every club he's been at he's so ambitious and he also just loves the game you know he's always watching he's always paying attention and i think that's one thing that uh you know some coaches tend to only do it while you're there in front of them but they're always watching so i think he's a he's a perfectionist but also he wants the best for us well chris what we have been tasked to do and have the honor of doing and i don't know if you know this was coming whenever you had your fro look immaculate today i love that's how it always looks wow but we appreciate you joining us and we know you're in the middle of potential practice schedule it is our honor to tell you you've been named the u.s men's national team player of the year brother congratulations

1:09:03okay chris this is a big deal new coach heading into a world cup you're the u.s men's national team player of the year obviously middle back for the squad what does this mean to you honestly Like, what does it, because whenever we were asked if we wanted to do it, we immediately were like, yeah, we don't know much about it. But for you, obviously, this is a huge honor saying, hey, you're our guy, buddy. You're the guy. Hey, you're the guy, pal. And we're heading into a World Cup with a lot of great expectations. And I think they're going to be putting a lot of it on your shoulders. What does this mean to you?

1:09:29And did you know this was coming? No, I didn't know it's coming. You know, it means the world to me. You know, I think people, you know, as a defender, people tend to say it's a lot of pressure. But I think pressure builds diamonds, you know. And that's something that with this team, with this, you know, country, We're Americans. We like to win. We like to scrap. We like to fight. And that's exactly what we're going to do in the summer. And hopefully by the end of it, we're holding a big trophy. Other winners. Dempsey. Polific. What? Out the door. What? Tim Hard. What? McKinney. What? I mean, you're talking about a who's who.

1:09:58And Chris, you might be the best of them all whenever it's all said and done with what you're doing overseas. We need you to get back to the MLS, though. We need that to happen ASAP, even though it sounds like they're trying to lock you into Crystal Palace. and we can't wait to watch you and the U.S. national team do their thing in the World Cup, brother. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you so much. It's a pleasure. Hey, roll tide or how do we feel? We a little worried or? Bordeaux amigo? It's roll tide, man. It was a tough day. It was a tough day watching that game, but at the end of the day, it's always going to be roll tide.

1:10:30Ups and downs, that's how I was raised. Respect. That's that grit that you guys know. Roll day. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Richards. Good luck. Hey, Chris. What an honor, H. We're doing U.S. Men's National Team Players of the Year on the program. That's a big deal. He had any idea? What's that? He acted like he didn't, like he had no idea, but I wonder if he was hoping maybe. I don't know. I don't think he had any clue. I don't know if he knew that was coming. Whenever we were told about the award, I was like, okay, what is it? They're like, U.S. Men's National Team Player of the Year.

1:11:02This is a big deal. It's like, all right, sweet. We can't wait to tell him. And it feels like he's the right guy for it. What were you going to say? on there fab ramos tab ramos also a winner uh head coach of her assistant coach excuse me tony miola on the uh concave fc uh national team whatever it was called yeah a lot of people say tab ramos mount rushmore player for the history of u.s men's national team that's basically what the u.s men's national team player of the years are is uh being put into the conversation of like hey this is one of the goats now luna had a hell of a year he did luna luna had a hell of a year I think Ponch could have potentially been the U.S.

1:11:37Men's National Team player. Probably should have been. Because of what he was going to do if we didn't get him on the field. Chris Richards is the guy, though, from what everything Gumpy has said, Ty Schmidt. I mean, I love his look. You know, I love that we have a primarily defensive guy, you know, winning player of the year. That bodes well. That's kind of been our biggest issue is, hey, every single World Cup, you know, we got all these great goal scorers, and these guys end up coming in. They're sliding. They're taking dives. they're kind of acting like, you know, babies the entire time. We got this guy who looks like he's ready to crack some skulls.

1:12:07You know what? I mean, he'll score a goal or two for us, you know, if we need him to. So I love it. For Crystal Palace, obviously he's a middle back, but he'll go play a little midfield as well if he has to. He's got a lot of versatility. Absolutely. The American way. It is the American way. I can't believe U.S. let him out. That guy needs to be Portland Timbers, Columbus Crew. Take care of Timbers. I heard the Sounders are kind of putting together a very lucrative pitch right now to maybe contend with Crystal Palace for his services. Gumpy, I see you got some Chris Richards merch on back there.

1:12:37Okay, Bob. Yeah, he's got a pretty nice contract at Crystal Palace as well. He's doing well out there. Scores for them as well. They hadn't won a trophy in forever, and he brought them one in the FA Cup. Is he the highest-paid American in England history? Ooh, that's a great question. Clint Dempsey could potentially be in a conversation. Tim Howard was over there for a long time. I don't know what the contracts look like, but if you're saying he's got a very good contract with Crystal Palace and with the way contracts have gone, I'd assume he's potentially the highest paid European-American soccer player we have.

1:13:11I should have done a research. I do not know. I just looked it up. It's Florin Bulligan. He's at AS Monaco. Love Bulligan. And Christian Pulisic, who's at Milan. What did you say? What was the first thing you said? That was two team names? What did you say there at the beginning? Which one? Florin Bulligan? Who's that? He's our number nine. He is an elite goal scorer. He's filthy. He's very good. He's from USA? Yeah, he plays in France for Monaco. Okay, the France is a farm league, isn't it? I mean, Messi was there for 20 minutes and said, get me the hell out of here. Okay, so I don't want to make fun of the French League.

1:13:44The MLS could kill the French League, right? Do we think that, Gumpy? Usually PSG is the top dog over there and everybody else. We're not scared about PSG at all. Mbappe said, get me the hell out of here. Did he not? He's the French. Yeah, he's in Real Madrid with Spain. I don't want to bury France, but if you've ever been there, you'd feel obligated to do the same if you were an American with how that whole thing goes. But on that note, Balogun? Balogun. Balogun. Like Mulligan. He's been on the U.S. team that I've been watching here with Ponch? Yeah, he's very good. All I've seen is Luna score.

1:14:15That's all I've seen. Balogun? What's his – I love this guy. I love this guy. What's his name again, Tone? Philorin Balogun. How much is he getting paid over there in France? $100 ,000 a week. Is that how they judge contracts over there? Yeah, it's done week to week. Sorry, Euros a week, my bad. Oh, that's like$105 ,000. Congratulations to Mr. Balgen. To a très fantastique. He's a great player. Oui, oui. He is a great player. One of the favorites. When's the first game? Sorry, when's the first World Cup game? A week after June 6th. Yeah. So June 16th, I think? First game? Sounds right. Not sure, though.

1:14:56June 11th. Okay, so five days. Is that for the whole World Cup or for America? Whole World Cup starts in Mexico City. And then America plays when? June 12th. Okay, day two against Paraguay. Good luck, Paraguay. Good luck. Just stay home. Yeah, I don't even think you should play. Yeah, idiots. Yeah, because we got Balogun coming through. That's right. Para, go away. He's going to say, Messi, Messi, Messi, Messi. Boku, boku, boku, boku. But in English, we're not doing any of that. No, he's a Frenchman. American French. He's over here. Yeah, but when we're playing in the World Cup with the Stars and Stripes, I don't want to hear any of that fucking French.

1:15:34I don't want any flopping either. No. We're playing American. You leave that in France. Yeah. Joining us now is a man who's obviously in the soccer world, has no idea what he's doing because he doesn't have Chris Richards on his team or a flop again. Ladies and gentlemen, future first ballot NFL Hall of Famer. Flop again. This guy's a stud. JJ doesn't even know he exists. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ won. Yeah, JJ. Watch out Blopkin on the team, bro. Espanol could certainly use this guy and maybe get a little bit more American presence on these squads, JJ. And congrats to Chris Richards. I know you're a big fan.

1:16:06Yes, congratulations to Chris Richards. You can't afford him, though, at Espanol or Burnley? Is that what's happening? You can't afford these Americans that go over there and just dominate? Or what's going on? He's doing great. He's doing great. That FA Cup run was awesome for them last year. They did a great job. It was very cool to see them get that victory. So does Burnley hate Crystal Palace? Is this like a big-time rivalry? Am I missing something here or no? I mean, it's not a big-time rivalry. They're one of 20. We're one of 20, and we need to beat them twice a year. We haven't, and that's what needs to happen.

1:16:35Now, is that 20 in the top 20, or is there like 20 in every level? Because where are we at right now if we're to up the cliff? There are more than 20 in some of the lower levels. There are 20 in the top level. Oh, so we're one of 20 right now. That's what Burnley does. Oh, no. All right. Still time. Still time. Still time. A lot of time. If you had Malapagin, maybe we wouldn't have as many ties as we currently have. And I saw you guys playing for a tie last week. That's okay. How's Espanol? In the morning, we drink coffee. In the afternoon, it's running. And then we play the soccer and we win.

1:17:09Everyone is Espanol. Espanol. Lucky, lucky, lucky. Doing great. Doing great. I'm playing really good ball. Five. Wow. You see the ranking? Our coach's birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Manolo. Happy birthday. Feliz cumpleaños. Is that what it is? Yeah. Feliz cumpleaños. Feliz cumpleaños. A lot of soccer talk. Okay, let's get away from that. There you go. Congrats, Espanol. Let's talk football. Twice in one week. Happy to be here. Let's go. What's going on? This is new territory. I'll tell you what. If we could have you five times, we certainly would. You're like Orlovsky. You can't. You can't.

1:17:51That's what I know. But I'm just saying, if we could. Perfect world. That was a soft ask. Okay, I'm happy we got a hard answer back in that note. But let's talk a little ball here. Okay, who's better than you to talk ball? Nobody. TJ Watt, I guess his name is being circulated potentially. What's his future look like whenever you start looking at contracts and new eras and yada, yada, yada? Mike Tomlin steps down. Your thoughts on how the game went against a Houston Texans team on Monday night? I think they're going to demoralize a lot of teams going forward with how good this defense is, and then the immediate step down the day after.

1:18:23Expected, not expected? Like, where do you kind of land in this entirety, Jay? I mean, I think the conversation has obviously been there for a while around that. I think no matter what, when it actually happens, it's shocking. I think that even if there's been discussions and people speculating, the moment it actually happens is wild. I mean, for a guy who's been there for that long, who's never had a losing season. I know people hate that term, but it's just a fact. It's crazy. The longevity and the consistency over time is to have a change in that organization that's only had three head coaches ever is stunning.

1:19:03And now to look at the AFC North as a whole and to know that there's currently only one head coach in that division, it's wild. And to see all the openings in this cycle, there aren't that many good coaches in the NFL to fill these jobs. Like there's just not that many head coaches and assistant coaches to fill out stabs at the coordinator level, at the position coach level. So there is so much shakeup yet to be done because now these new head coaches are going to be hiring their coordinators, which is going to shake up the next level of staffs. And then these other staffs have to fill in those roles.

1:19:37It's a crazy time right now in the coaching carousel, and I have no clue what's going to happen. Go ahead, Edge. have you ever I don't know if you've ever witnessed it or heard from Mike does a coach's message ever get stale you know Mike Tomlin's there forever and we see it happen sometimes Kai gets fired and he gets picked up somewhere else right away why does it seem to work somewhere else like why does it change the scenery I guess as a coach sometimes like it can still work that way yeah I mean I think that the thing about Mike T is I don't I don't know if stale is the right word because it's the consistency that makes him who he is and so great.

1:20:10So I don't know if it's necessarily a thing that got stale. It's just the facts of the results when you look at the playoff games. It's just that's what it's been over time. Now, when you talk about a coach going somewhere else and succeeding right away, there's definitely the aspect of a new coach coming in and preaching a message that he may have been preaching somewhere else to a new group that's never heard that message before and seeing that this guy is legit and he's going to lift us and raise us to a new level and take us to new heights. But from everything we're seeing right now and hearing and reading, it doesn't look like he's interested in coaching, at least for this year.

1:20:49And then you have to look at Coach Cowher and what happened with him when he stepped away and was potentially going to only be away for a year, but then realized, oh, wait, nobody's yelling at me every Sunday. Nobody's calling for my head. This is pretty sweet. So maybe it's a similar situation there. Cowher, great on TV. Tomlin going to be great on TV. I mean, that's why they have had jobs speaking and leading for 19 years, 18 years, because they're great at communicating. So whenever they get on TV, we assume they're going to crush. Mike Tomlin is going to be undefeated every year on a microphone.

1:21:20Cannot wait to see what he ends up doing. We think it's probably already done. We think it's probably already done if we had to guess. And as long as we see him in the football world, we're happy. but we would also like to say just like jage here if it's possible i got people from pittsburgh texting me have you reached out to coach tomlin to be on your show okay every week we need him on your show every week it's like there's so many different things that go into all that like if he goes the fox there's no chance he'll be on this show no there is no chance at all you remember jeter was coming on yeah jeter was coming on the show and then there was uh and then it was an immediate i didn't know it was going to be like this i am so sorry we will meet you guys someday so if he was to go to fox i think there is next to no chance that he would end up on this particular program but if he has any opening at all coach tom we like let you know we love to do business with you every single week uh tomlin talking ball would be an incredible feature and whatever it is however it is we would love to make it work now with what i'd like to give credit to my boss david burson at cbs who does allow me to do this show every week he is awesome he's great he let me do the manny cast monday night he's been really really good about it knowing that we're also having an unbelievably record-breaking year at cbs ourselves so all is well when all tides are rising yeah it feels like you know the good of anything is the good for everything but not everybody kind of view views it that way and i understand completely we completely understand the business and we do appreciate the hell out of dave over there at cbs and congrats cbs on another fantastic year honestly and usually when you're up here every single time you pop up it says very clearly cbs sports analyst jj wadden i appreciate he won from a studio three times a year to in a booth every single weekend this guy is on a rocket ship like pace in the inner yep there it is right there okay so let's go away from pittsburgh let's go away from pittsburgh thanks aj and uh Let's go to...

1:23:19What the hell was that? We're not pointing out every single sack of bones. These people are supposed to earn it. Football, right down there. I'm just trying to help out with one. I'm giving it one. That's not how it works. We're in the middle of a ticket giveaway, Jage. Looks like you don't know what's happening. Read the bottom. I do. I do. Don't worry. I got it. If it has IU in it, there's going to be, what, seven words? You got to find all seven? Six. And it could have UM in it, too. And we're not pointing out every one that pops up. That's the last one. I'm done with everybody pointing out.

1:23:47the shit. Okay? This is a surprise. They're supposed to figure it out. It's a scavenger hunt. It's a handaway, not a giveaway. It's bullshit. What is this? Everybody wins all the time? Kinda. He couldn't help himself. He's like a dog. He really did do it. It's right below his face, too, so it did look like he was trying to bite it as he was excited. Okay, so let's talk. Obviously, Pittsburgh Steelers have a massive change. Baltimore Ravens do as well. They moved on from John Harbaugh. Did you know that Bashadi the owner of the Ravens is the most electrifying person on a microphone and what he's going to do going forward is going to be fantastic I would assume and if I was up for a head coaching job certainly an owner I would want to work for what was your thoughts on Bashadi's messaging and how do you think they go about going forward with their head coaching role all I have heard about Bashadi throughout my time in the league and afterwards in the media world is is that he's a great owner but you never really hear from him because that's what he does he's kind of behind the scenes he lets his people do their thing even when you're broadcasting a game at M &T Bank Stadium he doesn't want to be shown on the screen like he's that kind of guy who's like I'm gonna run a good organization but I'm gonna stay back out of the way but man I did not know that that's what it was like when he got in front of a mic it was awesome like it was the most real legit like you actually got a full-blown insight into his mind while he was also speaking like a real person not somebody rehearsed by pr um it was great it was such a cool thing to see and i i i would say that's definitely an owner you would like to go in there and coach for i um we reached out immediately after seeing the videos like we'd love to have him on the show baltimore pr answered us 30 seconds i i think it was fastest answer any team's prs including the colts has ever responded and go, we'll ask, brother, but he wants to be the least known owner in all of sports, and we're trying to ruin that today.

1:25:43We are trying our best to ruin that because I think he's good for ball, man. The way he spoke, the way he operated, being a good business person, talking about the reality of the business, like not wanting to hand it over to his kids because, like, what he's seen in the past, it's like, that's good for ball, not bad for ball. We hope he knows that. We appreciate the hell out of him. All right, let's move to some other conversations. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, Jay, just curious. after all the success that the Texans had on Monday night, did they give you a call back and say, hey, I know it's going to be a quick turnaround.

1:26:10I know the previous one you did two weeks ago, but we're going to need you to walk down that exact same bridge on a cold Houston night and do another pump-up video. And also, what do you think about this Texans team moving forward? Because they looked, boy, did they look dominant on Monday night. Not this week, but, I mean, if anything shakes out, there's always the possibility of whipping it back out in the cold weather. Oh, yeah. Whipping it out. You whipping. Yeah. That didn't quite go how I thought it was going to go. It might be a little smaller. It's cold. Yeah, exactly. Tougher to whip it out in the cold.

1:26:49Yeah, you never know. That's an excuse. I was in the pool. I was in the pool. No. I mean, their defense, dude, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous. Like, now we know the Steelers offense this year at times has had trouble moving the ball and they throw it short and Aaron got the ball out of his hands quick. But like two defensive touchdowns, they had three turnovers on offense, the Texans did, and the Steelers still ended up with six points on the night. Like that's unbelievable to do. The defense is just incredible. I've been saying this for many years that Daniil Hunter is the most underrated player in the league.

1:27:25He legitimately is a Hall of Famer. like he's he should be a hall of famer he is the least talked about future hall of famer in the world in my mind especially if he continues to do what he's been doing will anderson's insane um miles garrett obviously very clearly the defensive player of the year this year but will anderson's year is incredible and i could definitely see defensive player of the years in the future for him and then the back end like i i don't know whose tweet it was i saw somebody quote it but somebody said the texans defense looks like a bunch of velociraptors holding machine guns 11 of them coming at you that's exactly what it looks like dude they are just hyenas out there just flying and killing people it moves different it shakes different it hits different they're unbelievable yeah i uh wonder about burke what are your thoughts on matt burke because he obviously is not being talked about much as a head coach and then monday night happens and all of a sudden everybody's like schrags kind of puts it in the universe and everybody follows suit they're like Yeah.

1:28:22Why isn't this guy being talked about as a head coach? Do you know him? How do you know him? And why do you think this group responds so well to what he does? Yeah, he was my defensive line coach my last year in Arizona. He's the one who put together the entire retirement video with Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers and Brady and all those guys saying goodbye that made me cry and my family. So he's an unbelievable man. He really is. And he took over this defense after week three or four of this year when they were 0-3, and he turned them into the number one defense in the NFL. Now, that's not to take anything away from D 'Amico, who obviously has had the 49ers defense.

1:28:59He's had this Texans defense playing well the whole time. So D 'Amico obviously has hands in all of this. But Matt Burke has done an unbelievable job. And there's plenty of people that when you bring him up in head coaching conversations say, well, can he bring Will Anderson and Daniil Hunter and Derek Stingley with him to the next job? It's like, well, you could say that about literally any coordinator ever that gets a job. Can they bring Josh Allen with them? Can they bring this guy with them? Like, yeah, if you have good players, you're not going to do all this exotic stuff because you don't have to.

1:29:29You play to your team's strengths. And right now their team's strengths are very strong. You don't need to do any exotic stuff. Matt's a great, great dude. I think he absolutely should be getting head coaching calls. Him thinking of creating a video for you, I think, tells me would be a good head coach. just like that type of thought and creation and execution we knew each other for seven months and he he spent two three weeks reaching out to my family my friends guys around the league putting the video together himself with the video team and he put it up there for my final game and it is one of my most prized possessions in the world that video um and he did that having known me for that amount of time he's a special cat he didn't reach out to you but did he nope he didn't reach out to AJ because he coached AJ.

1:30:17Yeah, I played for him a year in Cincinnati. He is the man. He doesn't have fond memories, apparently. He made you a video. That was after. I got cut. I wasn't retired. He's crazy, too. Every year he does these trips. He'll go by himself to hike the Grand Canyon, or he'll go out into the middle of Bangladesh and go up in the mountains with no phone, no nothing for a week by himself. Yeah, you know, right, AJ? Like, he's been doing this his whole life. It's crazy. Pictures of it. Not focusing on ball. Wait a minute. Yeah. I don't know. I'm happy the coach, for the Colts, is still locked in. Happy I don't got to get this guy.

1:30:55Happy I don't have to have a guy that can hike the entire Grand Canyon in the offseason and then have the number one defense in the history of football throughout the entire fall. What a weapon. Good luck to him. A lot of jobs, obviously, open. Let's move on. Let's talk about those jobs being filled by whom. AQ has a question for you. Live. Don't do that. Thank you. Shut up. What did we do? It's not a challenge for you. It's not a challenge for you. Son of a bitch. Take it down. Thank you, AQ. We should cancel this giveaway. I missed that one. Yeah, exactly. AQ, way to go. That's a true point at me.

1:31:28I was scared. Way to go, AQ. Perfect. Camera cut to him. There's a stack of bones. A minute of people. That's like four of them so far. Congrats, AQ. You might get a shot to go to the game. Hey. No. This doofus can't remember the other one. It's expelled from the game. I'm trying to get to the game. It's a tough ticket to come by. Well, you're not invited, especially because you're ruining the goddamn giveaway. Now, can we get to your question, please? Sure, sure. That was outrageous. This is not what this is supposed to be. I mean, just said it. Just said it. Don't fucking do it again. I got excited.

1:32:01I saw it. I got excited. We need four more. No, there's. Oh, I'm not going through it. It started with Letts, remember. It started with Letts. That was the first one that we had. We did give that one away. because we wanted to introduce people to the concept. And now we're in the middle of watching. Let's watch Football Live. Deep on. What are you sorry? This is dumb. Wow. Next one's going to be on. Last one's going to be ESPN. Let's watch Football Live on ESPN. Listen, you can certainly take guesses if you'd like to. If you'd like to take guesses, you certainly can. I'm sure you can multitask right now.

1:32:39Make sure you get the hashtag right, okay? hashtag PMS SeatGeek word search. Long hashtag. Do you want to go to the game or not? It's supposed to be difficult. And then guess what? Tomorrow there'll be a new one and guess what it'll probably start with? Hashtag... Man, what's it becoming once a week now? Yeah, I mean it's end of season. There's a lot going on. Hashtag PMS SeatGeek and then tomorrow will be another word. Another maybe. Yeah, maybe. PMS SeatGeek, another giveaway. Yeah. And maybe that one would be about having to find a picture of Stanford Steve in public whenever he's not comfortable.

1:33:15Oh, like where's Waldo? Yeah, that might have to come together pretty quick. That's a great idea. We'll do that for the next one. That's how these come together, James. Okay, so if you have any good ideas and would like to be a part of the solution and not the problem, we are certainly open to any ideas tomorrow for a new giveaway. Okay, today's was figured out an hour and 40 minutes before the show started. Tomorrow, we're open to ideas. Well, especially when people ruin it. like you and age and you and butch. No, that's the last one. Butch more than anyone down here. It's two is two. 23 minutes left.

1:33:47It's not the last one. Okay, you're saying it's the last one. I'm saying it's the last one. I'm partaking in. Yeah, sure. I'm done. Sure. I'm done partaking. That's because you're not going to be able to see any others. You can't control it. It's just instinct. You can't control it. It's, yeah. Ball's in the air. You go and grab it. It's like on fourth down when an interception's up there and you should let it drop, but you don't. Never. Never. Always pick it. Yeah, well, it was kind of a punt. It feels like he's given this to me on purpose. Yep, he did. Thank you, the contract. And we're going to keep it rolling.

1:34:15Go ahead, AQ, please. Let's move forward as opposed to ruining the giveaway today. Disgusting. There's so many assistant coaches up for head jobs, JJ, and obviously there's so many variables with good players, good scheme, all these different things. How do you determine what makes a good head coach today? We've gone over this before, and my personal thoughts on our CEO type, I think it has to be somebody that can relate to everybody on the roster. It can't just be a guy who is good with the X's and O's and can make an offense run really well or a defense run really well. You have to be able to relate, and you have to be able to lay out your vision for the entire building because you are now the number one person in the building in terms of setting the standard every single day for how people are coming to work, how they're attacking their work, how much attention to detail they are placing on everything.

1:35:05It all trickles down from you. If you're lackadaisical on stuff, the rest of the building is going to be lackadaisical. And that is going to play out over time. If you are locked in on every single detail and you're setting the vision every single day for how this is going to go, and then you're living it, everybody else has no choice but to live up to that standard that you are setting. And that's what it becomes. And you can't be going in there hoping to be everybody's friend. Yes, you need to know everybody, know their personality, how they're motivated, how they're pushed. But you can't be trying to be everybody's friend every single day.

1:35:35You have to be the tough ass sometimes that is going to make people elevate their level. And that's hard to do. It takes a strong personality. It takes a strong person. You can't just be a good play caller. It takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of juice. It takes a lot of football IQ. It takes a lot of emotional, what was that, quotient? Yeah. Emotional. EQ. EQ in this entire thing. It takes a lot to be a leader, especially of a football team that's filled with a bunch of dudes who have very high confidence, a lot of egos, a lot of personalities. So being able to keep everybody on the same page, it's not just players that have a lot of ego and a lot of personality and everything like that.

1:36:10These coaches got a lot of egos, too. I mean, there's a lot that you have to manage, especially as a CEO. I agree with you. I think the person should not have their head in the call sheet whenever they're the head coach. There's a lot of other things you have to deal with. But if you're an elite play caller, I mean, I guess that's why you get hired. I think Sean Payton is still doing it, too. like Andy Reid. He's also a CEO though. McVay is like, he's both. He's an unbelievable play caller, but you can also tell like they marched to the beat of his drum. And a name that never gets mentioned in the CEO conversation.

1:36:39Yeah. Jage, what do you think about Sirianni in the whole Eagle situation? Cause he is that CEO, but he's also an offensive guy. And now the whole conversation around the Eagles is how, you know, Jalen Hurst has had five OCs in five years. Do Do you think at a certain point, if you are that CEO, that it would benefit the team to maybe, hey, turn your boat a little bit in one direction so that Sirianni could focus on the offense and there's a little continuity with play calling? Or do you think that is kind of where that CEO balance comes in and Sirianni just needs to find a guy that's going to be there for longer than a year before getting a head coaching job or kind of melting like Petulo did?

1:37:17Yeah, no, it's a great question because you cycle through these guys every single year, and it is very difficult. Like there's obviously guys, I mean, McVay has a tree that keeps turning guys out and keep going on, but it's very hard to keep replenishing that reservoir and having a guy ready to step into the offensive coordinator role at all times. And clearly, they've gone through a few here, and this year didn't go the way that they wanted it to. So sometimes the best option might be for him to take that role on himself if he feels there's nobody else to do it. But that's the cycle you get in, whether it's obviously on the good side when you're playing well and people want your offensive coordinators or unfortunately on the bad side where the coordinator doesn't live up to it.

1:37:59But it's so hard. I don't think people understand and appreciate exactly how difficult it is to find a good enough guy to fill that role every year, but also on the player's side to now be dealing with a new voice, both as a personality in the room, but also as a play caller and how they go about their business. All right. We might have some breaking news that happens here in like three minutes. If we do that, James, we'll drop you, then we'll call you back immediately afterwards. Until it actually happens, we obviously we will continue this convo. but the text is active. I don't want to say journalism but hashtag.

1:38:31What a tease. Well yesterday too there was one of these that happened in the middle of the. It was massive news. Love that I can't be a part of it. That's awesome. We'll call right back. It's a computer. Never mind. I think we just got kicked out of it too. Brand new text. I think we just got texted kicked out of it as well. I think somebody else is going to get things. Damn it. Then let's just do it. Did you put the eyes out? Well, something's coming. If you put the eyes out it's going to come. Now that we don't have it, can we at least say what it's somewhat in regards to? I don't want to ruin this guy.

1:39:03The future. This guy's thing. It's a decision being made for the future of a player. Okay. Let's continue to. We all know that. I mean, I understand why I'd be kicked off, because would that face be replacing my face? Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think it does. This one's seemingly way left field. like out of nowhere for us to potentially be the ones yeah to break the news granted chris richards u.s men's national team player of the year did you see i mean james we got depth around here okay we got depth around here i was shocked a a i thought i was supposed to be on and then i saw him pop on and i was like wow these guys are doing soccer and it's not me having to push it this is incredible good for them oh you thought it was good crystal palace stud on i'm just happy that you're broadening your horizons and you're coming around and you're learning more about the sports so that the ignorance level can drop down a little bit what do you mean about where i can bend a ball like i'm like them what do you yeah you could before you tore your hip flexor well that is true i have not kicked a soccer ball since we will have to see what has happened i mean that's a great way to end your soccer career though as an old man it is kick a free kick out of the stadium out of the camera shot tear your hip flexor in the process drag your carcass to the sideline say yep it's been a good time.

1:40:23I'm on way too much science right now to be that explosive on my leg without doing that in the past. You know, that feels like that is what happens normally. And it did. Do you remember that pool of blood I had? Oh, yeah. Ton. That was tough. That was a bad day. That's a gross injury. Yeah, it's not fun. I was getting yelled at. Who was the big man? English soccer stud. Zat. Zat. Yeah, what's his last name? Zat Knight. Zat Knight. Yeah, there it is. Zat Knight. English soccer stud. You and him were obviously dueling. You know, that was a good time seeing you two godzilla king kong go after each other bang boom boom banging in the box you guys were banging you're backing it up on him a little bit he was certainly giving it to you you guys should have to enter a team of the men in the thunderdome we're not doing tst ever again yeah that that that is good right neither yeah it's a lot i mean it was fun it was yeah it was a great experience it was it was an incredible experience had fun two years just like tahoe Exactly.

1:41:16It was a blast. That's a lot of time being committed to something. Exactly. In the middle. And I love the boys that were on the team. Okay, I appreciate that. But it feels like maybe we were the ones bringing them down. Those dudes should have won. Right? Some of those guys on that team are unbelievable. I mean, they had about 40 of them. They're all good, too. Like, all these dudes were good. They should have won TST at some point by now. And they haven't. So it's like, is it Concave's fault? Is it our fault? And it's like, do I want to commit? There's some good teams out there, man. Do you have the GM of the year?

1:41:48I'll tell you what. Mike Foss worked his ass off on that thing. He was negotiating through everything. But I don't know if we had – you know, I feel like teams played together a lot before we got there. Like the teams that won looked like – Dude, was that that Jamaican team? That Jamaican team was insane. The Rovers, I believe. Reggae Rovers. The Reggae Rovers. Yeah. They were insane. Guy fouls me as soon as I get on the pitch, you know, let me know what it is. I'm like, I love that. Guy put his shoulder right in the middle of my chest, little guy. I'm like, I love what you just did right there.

1:42:16I respect it. But I think they play together a lot. And then that other team, who's that other team that had? That like travels. Yeah, Dallas, the team from Texas. I think they're a team from Texas. They play a lot together. Our crew, because, you know, we're selecting from all over the place. I don't know how often we're getting together, so we might slow them down. But TST was a hell of a run. Awesome. Good luck to all parties going forward. Now, I wonder what time that thing's going to happen. No news? Do we have news or no news? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, brother, is the text. I don't know. I was trying to do some journalism.

1:42:50I guess it's not as easy as I thought. You don't do journalism. You do not like that. We do do journalism, though. What is journalism? But I thought you didn't. I'm so confused. That's the part of the problem is nobody listens to the words I'm saying. Everybody listens to the sound. They don't listen to the words. I've already made it very clear what I hate. I hate the journalists that hate sports. It's obvious that they hate sports. That is who I hate. I hate sports journalists who hate sports. That is what I hate. And I think there's a lot more of those than people expect. I stand by that. I stand by that.

1:43:26Now, I do appreciate the sports journalists, though, for the good of ball, have to do what they have to do and been committed to sports. I do like those people. I should have added that on at the end. Maybe I didn't, you know, properly say I salute to the journalists that have done their thing for sports for a long time. And for a while there, you know, the OGs of sports journalism, which could have potentially built the God complex that some of them started to have. They were really the only people that you would get any information from. Now, I mean, doofuses in Indianapolis can just go ahead and turn on the Internet and just kind of do it.

1:43:57You know, we're sort of very different time right now. We just think if you like sports, you should that should lead you to sports journalism as opposed to like hating sports and like wanting to ruin sports. and being a journalist and grandstanding the entire time while doing it. That's just my thoughts. I might be wrong, but we'll see. Time will tell. History will decide who's right. Well, and also, the Sal Capaggios and the Art Stapletons of the world, they know you respect them. You know what I mean? They know. Yeah, and that is who we respect. Exactly. Down in Houston, I think there's a group of them down there.

1:44:30Charles Robinson was living in his car for Houston Texans. Yeah, there are sports journalists that we certainly have respect for, And there are sports journalists that we think are terrible for sports. Mad Mel? Mad Mel is good for sports. You're not a journalist. No, but you're good for sports as a journalist. Good for sports. Draft expert. I do enjoy Mad Mel. Love Mad Mel. Well, Mel Kuyper Jr. is also good for sports. I think he loves sports. He does. I think Mel Kuyper Jr. loves ball. I think he does. You have to do that. Yes, exactly. I think he loves ball. So I respect it. If you love ball, like I respect it, if you're trying to do good for ball.

1:45:05If you're trying to do terrible football and people are going to say, well, not everybody can just hype things up. Then it becomes propaganda. I get it. Okay. There's investigative journalism and things like that, which I have respect for. But like not everybody can just be a miserable. What's terrible? How do we write about what's terrible? It's like, is that journalism? Is that the separator of journalism and then having information? I don't know. But I thought we were going to do some journalism. They're really breaking news. Damn it. Full circle. Is somebody else doing it? Yeah. Somebody else got it.

1:45:33Real journalism. Can we see it? Is it coming out? Yeah, what's going on? I'm excited to talk about it. For network? We don't know what the answer is, though. So that's the thing. And this is a moment for somebody, so I'm going to let them kind of do it. It's not somebody that you would necessarily say. It's going to be like, oh. I got a good guess. They've been on a program before. Yeah. How much do they weigh? How much do they weigh, you think? I would not give that answer. Okay. More than 10 pounds. Under 275 or over 275? Don't worry about it. Under 275. Okay, I know. Have you seen them in person in the last three weeks?

1:46:11I'm not giving that answer. Male or female? AJ, I think we might be, I don't know if you're in the same thing as me, but I think we might be. I'm not giving that answer. You don't know the female? I'm not giving that answer. Male or female? It's a male. I thought it was, all right, I thought it was, yeah. I didn't like that I just did what you guys did to the giveaway there. I should not have given that away. I should not have said I didn't like that. I think I got it. I think I got it. All right, write it down. Write it down. Write it down. We'll hear it here. Use the hashtag PMS Seeking Worship.

1:46:40That is not a part of the ticket giveaway. All right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit of ball and not miss journalism opportunities on our end. Go ahead, D-Butt. Yeah, we got a great slate of games this weekend with the final eight facing off. And honestly, with all eight of these teams, you can kind of make an argument why not only they can win this weekend but go on to the Super Bowl. What's your most intriguing matchup from this weekend in your eyes? Oh, that's a great question. That's a great question. I am looking forward. I mean, obviously, the Texans game is the one I'm most looking forward to.

1:47:15I think that everybody's been on the Patriots all year about their schedule and wanting to say that, you know, their schedule wasn't great. That's why they were good. Well, this is an awesome test for them against that defense. See how that offense performs against this Texans defense. That's been a buzzsaw for everybody. It's a great, great opportunity, and I'm really excited about that game. I think the Bears games have become must-watch TV. I think you have to tune in, and when you've got Stafford and what happened last week in Carolina, come down to the end, and then you have the Bears with everything that happens in the fourth quarter of the games with them.

1:47:47This is going to be awesome. Looks like it's supposed to be freezing cold. I made my statement last week about open-air stadiums in downtowns. We've got Soldier Field, downtown, open-air, that picture that's going around here, and that's awesome. I don't know why you'd want to leave that. That should be great. I would say myself personally, Texans game is the one I'm most looking forward to. How do you feel about the Vrabel-Domico-Jost here? Like, honestly, how do you feel about those two battling? Because inevitably, that's what this comes down to, right? Like, McDaniels is going to be the one calling the plays, but all of that, Vrabel's in on all of it, right?

1:48:20And then Domico's in on all of it. It's Matt Burke versus Josh McDaniels, but ultimately Vrabel-Domico in on the entire thing. Go ahead, Dino. And to the point that we were talking about earlier with the CEOs versus play callers, I just kind of went down the list. Could be wrong. I think D 'Amico and Vrabel are the only kind of CEO types left. I think the other six are all offensive or defensive play callers as the head coach. And D 'Amico just handed over, I think, right? Early, early in the season. No, but I'm saying this is new for D 'Amico, I think, to be the CEO role as opposed to the coordinator.

1:48:51But inevitably, it comes down to those brains kind of coming together. What are your thoughts on that? How do you think the joust kind of goes? Yeah, and I do think that they both are similar in the fact that they don't call the plays, but they do have their hands in it all, and they do affect how everything goes forward. I mean, between those two, they're both two very tough, very gritty, very intellectually smart guys who are in tune with their locker room, who are dialed in with the players, who are going to get the absolute most out of them from a motivational and a technique and assignment standpoint.

1:49:27So it's going to be a battle. I think we've obviously seen Vrabel use the rules in every inch of the rule book to find every advantage he can, which is really smart. He's been doing it for a very long time, and he's great at that. So I'm interested to see if there's any new things that come out. And for the Texans, we just saw it this last game. They have to get their pre-snap stuff figured out. They have to get the fumbles, the snaps, the pre-snap penalties, and everything that comes along with that. You can't have those. And then the red zone. The red zone's been an issue all year. The divisional round is going to be special, and then that leads into Monday night, the national championship.

1:50:00We will not talk to you until after the natty. How do you feel that game goes? Obviously, two very tough, very physical, sweet coaches battling down there. It could be a home game for Miami or could be a Hoosier invasion down there in the hard rock like it was at the Peach Bowl. it's it's incredible to to see what signetti's done and to like know how he's ruined things for other coaches where anybody's gonna look at them and be like hey why can't we turn this thing around in a year and people can be like well we don't have five stars like signetti didn't have five stars like he turned it around in a year and they're one of the most dominant teams in history now i also grew up with orange and green bed sheets with a u flag over my head i had nike id'd Miami hurricane shoes.

1:50:47Um, I was, I met Devin Hester at the airport one time when I was in high school and it was the coolest thing ever for me to get picture with him. So I, I got to go down there and train, uh, I think it was like a year or two ago and coach Cristobal let me use all their facilities. And the kid in me thought that was really cool. Um, so this is, this is a really, I think Miami is the last team to play in their own stadium. It was at the orange bowl, which was an iconic stadium. So Indiana, I don't see how they lose, man. They're just crushing people. They're beating the shit out of everybody they play.

1:51:20And Fernando Mendoza is like a science experiment. It's incredible. Every play in the science experiment ends up with success. I mean, his efficiency is outrageous. More touchdowns and incompletions through the playoff run. He doesn't throw like 30, 40 times to put up the numbers that he's putting up. He throws like 18 times, 20 times. and every one of them is a dot, perfectly seated. And then they got a good one. Right there. Go ahead, Jay. Sorry. Right there in that picture, Bob Bostad, the offensive line coach of the Indiana Hoosiers. He was our offensive line coach at the Wisconsin Badgers when I was there.

1:51:53We had seven All-Americans. We had an offensive lineman going into the NFL left and right. Offensive line coach and strength coach are the two positions you should hire first in any organization when you're trying to be successful. That's him right there on the left holding the card. Bob Bostad, I think that's him actually. now that I've stopped. Play, play, play. Get him off. It was a blurry picture. But Bob Postad, unbelievable offensive line coach, and I am sure he is one of the reasons they're having success there. Well, we appreciate the hell out of you, Jay. You're the absolute best. And as this hour wraps up here on ESPN and we continue digitally, just know that all six words have been displayed.

1:52:29What? They have? What? And the last two haven't been ruined by the people that are already on. I have my card if this news ever breaks. AJ, so much self-control. Yeah, AJ saw one of the words on the lower throat. He's in the last two. While he's... What? Oh, really? Jade, you should have seen him. His face. Got real close. Right here on this back wall, you know, like you guys are on his eyes. As soon as it popped up on the screen while you were talking, AJ's face just as close as I've ever seen. Didn't say anything. We appreciate that. I didn't want to interrupt you. We hope whoever saw all the words, put some together, put some on X, Use the hashtag PMS SeatGeek WordSearch and maybe you could win.

1:53:09We'll continue. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. I feel like I got a lot of words in there. That's good. Did forget the hashtag. Be your friend, tell a friend. I know, I missed it. Be your friend, tell a friend. How do they know now? Nobody knows that there's going to be no friends in the world. You think Bob Barker ever missed the spayed and neutered line? Ever? No. Fuck! Never. Why was he so big on that? Because he was sick of all these dogs running around. Especially in LA. A bunch of stray dogs just running around fucking all the time. It's not healthy for I believe the female dog at a certain age as many times.

1:53:47I think there is something that happens. I just wondered what made him get on that. It was heavy on that train. Every show. Which leads me to saying why would I ever hold myself to a Bob Barker level of fucking hosting? Yeah, right. What a joke. How many do you think you've missed? saying that. A lot more than Bob. Not a lot. Not a lot though. Not that many I think. It's just a lot. You guys remember Bozo? Bozo? Oh yeah. The clown? Yeah. That was a cool show. It just made me think of it. When they did that bucket thing at the end, Bozo was cool. I don't think I ever watched Bozo. Cartoon? No. No.

1:54:25Real clown. Actually pretty scary now that I think back on it. What channel would this be? C-Dub? PBS. PBS. What's PBS? PBS show? I didn't know people watched PBS shows growing up. Yeah. Arthur was on there. Arthur. Yeah, man. PBS had a few hours throughout the day. Arthur's that little bear. Magic school bus. That's Winnie the Pooh. There weren't that many channels. Is that a Reading Rainbow as well? Arthur was an art bar. I watch Reading Rainbow. Yeah, I watch that. PBS. Such sick glasses. Dragon pills. They had that lady that stretched in a chair. like sometimes if you stayed on it too long you got caught in the one where the lady just sits in a chair and she just does stretches.

1:55:07Pink background? What show was that? Yeah, it was a lady. It was Chair Olympics I think she was doing. She was doing Chair Fitness, I mean. Yeah, Chair Fitness. For older folks. Is this a porno thing, Jage? What is it? No, it's just a lady in a chair. What's up about it? Squiggly lines? Squiggly channel? This right here. Oh, like aerobics type stuff for older people? Yeah. aesthetics yeah like if you're stuck in your chair but you still need to get some blood flow i guess that could also be something else yes when's this news is this news coming all right yeah so it is can we get his guess i was gonna say flip the card no i can't flip the card i can't flip the card because i think i'm right i don't know when it's gonna happen can you just maybe text the picture of it and we'll say you were right or wrong yeah clearly i know what i'm getting If you take him off and show him off.

1:55:58No, you're not getting shoved off. I got to go pee. So if you want to hold, you want to hold? Is Dano getting a head coach job? I'll just do the show solo for the next five minutes while you guys go on break. I'll just talk to America. All right. Good luck. Great job. You too. Is everybody going to the bathroom, or is this just going to be five minutes? Five. All right. So this is the Pat McAfee Show.

1:56:22Wednesday, January 14, 2026. congratulations on everybody who made it to this year you made it through the holidays you're doing great you probably started a new year's resolution uh and a lot of you have probably given up by now you know what get the fuck back on the horse get yourself back on the resolution train if you said you wanted to get to the gym go to the gym after work today hop in your car don't go to the fast food restaurant get to the gym hop on the elliptical let's do some sets and then let's get ourselves a nice healthy dinner. Stop at the grocery store, pick something up, make yourself a dinner.

1:56:58Let's get successful today. Drink a little bit of water. It's a beautiful day to have a beautiful day. I really wonder how many people are in the studio right now listening to me talk while I'm just here on the screen all by myself. Probably Connor, because he went to the bathroom before the show and was prepared. Ty is 1000 % in the bathroom right now, probably creating a line because he's taken so long what do you think the toilet paper consumption of the thunderdome is on a daily basis i would imagine three rolls a day i think that the thunderdome utilizes three rolls of toilet paper per day go ahead and use hashtag pms show pat pat mcafee show pms hashtag ms show tell us how many rolls of toilet paper this is disgusting hashtag JJWattShow JJWS how many rolls of toilet paper and you'll win an autographed JJWatt jersey I will say phenomenal work while I was going to the bathroom I could hear you I did think about my resolutions that I gave up on I did think about drinking water you know I thought about getting back into it thank you for allowing a bathroom break now Connor was here also surprise Ty was here as well Hey!

1:58:18Did I get a haircut? Yeah No I didn't Okay moving on okay so they were just kind of letting you go but D but was here you was your I literally nobody's jumping in no full show guys we could have done a show yeah but you said you wanted to do it yourself there so we i don't know if you threw to the the stage ever you could have threw to the back room too foxy definitely gonna be there oh yeah right because he's on the the thing so next time that happens no you got the back room definitely so you can definitely do a throw to there all right there was a time where i heard you thinking about throwing to something and then you didn't know what we had it's it felt like is what was happening i assumed that you just took me off the air and I was talking to myself for three minutes.

1:59:04No, we never do that. Why would we ever take that? Also still here, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. Hey baby, Hawk. Did you take a bathroom break? I hopped off for a minute, but then I did see you continue to go, so that was good. He also... What did you do? Bottle on her table. You know how he operates. No, no, I gotta sprint downstairs quick and then get back in time. But you took a minute break, but you didn't go to the bathroom. I lit a cigar, hung out for a minute, and then popped back on with you. Just took a breath. That's what age did. I thought we were popping off. I thought we were dropping off.

1:59:41I certainly popped off. We all popped off, kind of. But Jage maybe popped off the most. Gave a great speech. I heard resolutions. You're saying get back on your resolutions, right? Did you have one? No, I've never really set a resolution. Did you? What's yours? No. I live my resolution 24-7, brother. Hell yeah! Yeah. December 31st doesn't mean anything. It means another day to be great. Yeah, I love that. I do love that. James, that's awesome. You need to do more motivational speeches, by the way, from what I heard during that little break. Adam Schefter just broke some news. Adam Schefter is reporting that Oregon quarterback Dante Moore is planning to announce his decision about whether he will or won't enter the NFL draft on SportsCenter at 2.30 Eastern Standard Time.

2:00:26Fuck! SportsCenter? Whoa, whoa, whoa. So that was your news. That was the news. Yeah. He was going to try it. I was way off. AJ, what was your guess? Jage thought it was, I didn't, I didn't have an official guess, but yeah, you thought it was air. I did. Jage. Well, I first did, but then when you said out of left field, I was going with Calais Campbell. I was going. Oh, that's a very good guess. And also to Calais, just saw him last week. My man, if you would like to say anything or do any stuff, we would love to host you. We're a massive fans of yours. Not only incredible on the field, which he is, and the durability is outrageous.

2:01:05Off the field, incredible. Gives back to everyone. Calais is unbelievable, dude. Unbelievable. One of the best guys. Also one of the best players. Great human. And built like a superhuman. Yeah. You know? Ridiculous. And one of those guys who... He's gigantic. Yeah, who sounds like he should sound at that size. Yeah, there's no confusion. When the voice comes out, you go, of course. Of course is the voice. And then also always supports the boys. Yep. Like in every single – literally every – arrests are happening. Yeah. Charity events are happening. Dinners are happening. Maybe we're having a night out is happening.

2:01:40It's like Calais was like a quarterback the way he kind of led and kind of got – he was – Calais is a special guy. Has not decided either. Talked to him right before – what was the last one we were at? Fiesta Bowl? Yep. Talked to him right before the Fiesta Bowl. Hasn't made his decision. Year 19, I believe. He – A few games away from the record. He was the one that really amplified my ADD at that game. So we're doing game day on the sideline, Miami sideline. We're doing game day on Miami sideline. I saw it. I saw it. So I'm sitting there just like this at the end of the table because Kirk was going to do his thing with Peter, and then he's got to call the game.

2:02:12So I sit in the Kirk seat. So I'm not looking straight this way. I'm looking at everybody walking onto the field. This is where everybody is really walking onto the field, and it's just a parade of who's who, you know? Then there was like a shuffle of a group of people, and then Calais was fucking a foot and a half above the rest of the crowd that he was walking. And it was impossible not to see him. So then I look over, I start laughing, and I point out, and he goes, what up? You know, like, his voice comes right over, starts talking to me. Have to say hello to this man. Have to say hello to Calais Campbell.

2:02:41What year did you play with him? Where'd you play? At Arizona with him, or did you ever play with him? No, I just don't. That's how we all play. I feel like everybody around the league is a fan of that guy. We don't have his breaking news, though. That's too bad. Maybe next week. Invitation. Invitation to break the news on here whenever you decide, Klayas. Change. Here you go. I love what you're doing these days. Now, do you want to do in the trenches with us and maybe judge AQ Shipley's judgment of the offensive lines that performed during Super Wild Card weekend? I don't think that would be fair.

2:03:17Why? Why not? Fair. Wow. What's that? I'm a defensive guy. I don't like offensive linemen. as much as AQ does. So I would have much more, I would have many more negative thoughts because I'm a defensive guy. Journalism. Is that not good for journalism? Isn't that what we're kind of looking for? I don't want to get yelled at on X for being a journalist. Nobody's yelling. Nobody's yelling at anybody. There was a couple capital letters. A lot of caps. A lot of caps. A lot of caps in these words just put emphasis on certain words. Okay? You know, because they're all, if they all look the same, it's like you're not getting the complete context of how I'm delivering here.

2:03:54hey this one matters okay i'm putting a little bit of sauce on this one because the delivery of the whole story you gotta fucking know what we're talking about what we're not talking about you know what i mean jake but i wasn't yelling i wasn't yelling i understand your i understand your uh tendencies i would imagine that we're in getting oh yeah age get after it i would imagine that we're in steve jobs quote territory coming up soon here yeah man in the arena territory coming up soon i don't do the man in the arena please everybody uses that even though it's a great speech i will say great quote is a very very very good speech the steve jobs one about people that built the world not being smarter than you yeah that's the one i mean it is yeah yeah i would imagine we're like sometime i would say probably three weeks away maybe four from that being heavily involved in the rotation up to some season yeah you know the deal you get a calendar and then we all scramble and try and figure out what's he up to what's he gonna do what's what's on the horizon hey this next one's outrageous these next two i think are outrageous would we not all agree i would agree yeah next three really yeah i guess the next three are that are kind of cooking right now in the up to something season you know have there been any non-outrageous ones fascinating question there's been a couple a couple days ago what's that dad and like i told you what's that i don't think you made it to uh final cut what's that oh i like this i don't know i like that no we were back there we were all back there oh okay so everybody heard it everybody knows it i'm not sure the one from yesterday oh it was maybe two days ago i don't think i remember we'll talk i love inside jokes love to be a part of no no we didn't know the brain the brain not keeping up now on that note probably incredible but from the moment that happened until this exact moment, we got a couple up to something grills open.

2:05:53There's a couple up to something grills that are currently open right now. Preheating or we got fillets hitting the... Where are we at? We are at a sizzle right now, brother. We are at a... What is the temperature? Number one trend worldwide. Hashtag PMS Seek Geek Word Search. It is an honor to be a part of something that can give folks so much hope that maybe they could win something. But we would like to say, whenever it's number one overall, it's going to be really hard to win these tickets. Very hard. I tried to scroll. Do you know how hard it is to get the number one trend with that many letters in it?

2:06:36That's impressive. People took the time. It's a fucking contest. You need to have all those letters so that people have to qualify for these things. Because you guys were already going and there it is right there. So we have to have some sort of thing getting it right. But you're right. A lot of typing, a lot of focusing, especially back-to-back S's. Oh, to the eyes, it could look like... Oh, it's weird. I shouldn't be there. Quite frankly, I'm shocked my toilet paper question isn't trending at number one right now. It's climbing. It's climbing. It's going to get there. J.J. W.S. Winning an autographed J.J.

2:07:10Watt jersey? Yeah, please. I think people are going to certainly want that. We don't know the answer to that question, though, because obviously there's different rolls of toilet paper used, so we do have to count. I think three was a decent guess. Felt like a good over-under. A lot of wet wipes. Do you guys have regular rolls in there, or are we doing industrial size? I believe it's just your basic, you know, Cottonelle, Charmin, yeah, Charmin, four-ply. But I think we are probably more well. Four-ply, good lord. Yeah, satin sheets for the butt cheeks. It's good paper. It is, and you need that.

2:07:43Trying to bleed. I would say most of the office, though, is our wet wipe guys. Yeah, there's a lot of personal wet wipes brought in. There's a lot of wet wipes companies that send us wet wipes. Great. There's multiples of those. They do get used. I see we're no longer getting paid by the wet wipes. One particular wet wipes brand is no longer a part of the operation. We're now calling them wet wipes is what we're doing. I see what's going on here. That's what they are. There was always one superior. I see. On that note, Dude Wipes supplied us with thousands and thousands of wet wipes. I will say we are nearing their end in the Thunderdome.

2:08:22Two more wet wipe companies have started sending wet wipes to here, trying to get us to be a part of their business. We started, it's a cool name, and we got the best portable bidet for your butt. I thought it was maybe the king was coming. If the king's not coming, you can just tell him. the Elvis of wet wipes yeah the king of wet wipes I would have thought that people would just be clamoring to sponsor something that touches Boston Connors butt cheeks who won it who won it brother get in line it's not about touching Boston Connors butt cheeks it's about helping Boston Connors butt cheeks that's what it's about people are literally fighting for the opportunity think about where you guys what you've built here.

2:09:09You guys were a conglomerate of buddies from back in the day, and now people are sending things away and millions of dollars of offers to try and be the one that gets to wipe your butt. If it's not the best in the market, we don't want to do it. Top dogs only. Unless they send the best offer. That factors in sometimes, but not with the butt cheeks. There is certainly a balance of how much offer and what asking for like need to know this one first before we even do this one there's been a lot of big checks turned down just strictly because i didn't want to deal with the human on the other side of it which is a hilarious thing for these people to have to hear because they never have to hear that well here's ba ba ba you'll do ba ba ba it's like i don't want to work with you so i'm not doing that because that would involve us having to communicate so i'm out of here yeah we're all i could do i thank you so much and then there's other places they're like hey we got this much and we like the product around here we use product and the person sucks and it goes all right we can deal we can deal with the suck person we love what they they offer and then bang they're also so you know so it's always a balance it's always a balance but i think i take a lot more human element into it than maybe most business people i think good i say things to these people though and they they write about it necessary sometimes it's all right they do They're grown-ups.

2:10:37They do. Not all. I guess there's more on the way. Apparently, the ratings are down for college football or something, even though they're up. I don't know. That was very confusing to me. I was very confused. I'm not doing it. Strictly because it's for just, I don't, this sounds bad. I don't care about the ratings. It's another thing. Whenever you talk about doing business, I never looked at our numbers ever throughout our entire thing, unless I had to go do a business thing. so if i had to have show up with the numbers like day to day not looking don't want to know i don't want that to impact anything that we're doing okay because then people start looking at like what brings numbers and then they just try to repeat it and it's like well maybe that was just lightning in a bottle for that particular thing maybe you shouldn't turn your entire business into that you know like i think some people do that so for me literally i don't really and i think the boys would agree with that like there's no forcing of anything if we have something good we're not going to kill it.

2:11:31We're going to do it whenever it's needed. Mel Kiper Jr. is a great one. Rumor Milk is another great one. And that was one of those things we had to stop. And who knows if it'll come back. That's why we don't do a lot of segs because I don't, you know what I mean? It's hard. Segs. I've never heard it called segs. I like that. Welcome to the biz, kid. So the segs, you know, segs don't always survive. Segs don't always survive. Segs aren't long sometimes. Segs be short sometimes. And we love it no matter what. And we enjoyed it. I'm appreciative of my seg. Thank you for the seg. Your seg is a great seg.

2:12:05Great segs with JJ. Well, I had more, but then he took his seg and brought it to someone else. Yeah, we had to get rid of one particular stylist seg with you. Everyone wanted to do that seg. You took your seg somewhere else. Seg within a seg. Other people wanted to have more segs with him. He just whipped that thing out again. Yeah. Hooked a seg somewhere else. This is your words, not ours, brother. Don't be grandstanding on us right now. Anyways, on that note, speaking of grandstanding, there's one man whose rankings of offensive linemen I care about. Everybody else, I appreciate it. This man has guided me to a couple big-time dubs because whoever has the best offensive line is normally going to win the game.

2:12:48It is time for a seg that is long. Segs that is strong. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for In the Trenches, Top performing offensive lines of Super Wild Card Week. Yay! Here we go, here we go, here we go. Playoff football. Always start with the top six remaining winning teams. Obviously, two teams had a bye. So you had the Seattle Seahawks and the Denver Broncos. Not included in my rankings. But New England Patriots, they were the worst performing unit. San Francisco, second worst. Buffalo Bills, right in the middle. and then the LA Rams, Chicago Bears, and the Houston Texans. JJ, good thing you stuck around because they were the best O-line that performed this week.

2:13:32The Denver Broncos had no chance. The Seattle Seahawks obviously had no chance to make their impact because they had a bye because they were the number one overall seeds. The New England Patriots being number six. JJ, your thoughts on maybe that being a disruptor for the Houston Texans defense coming to time? Yeah, you obviously have to have a plan. There has to be a plan there. They've got a couple young bucks over there. You have to – with Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson Jr., we saw the Buffalo Bills try and go five-man protection on that Thursday night game, and it failed miserably. You can't try and protect with five.

2:14:06Chips, move the pocket, everything else. Have to find a way to give Drake time. Okay, so it's San Francisco 49ers at five. That's abnormal, right, with the way Shanahan and that offense normally go? Yeah, they've had their lowest yards per carry all year, and it continued against Philadelphia. They got beat up up front a little bit. Trent Williams was still Trent Williams, but the other guys on that offensive line, they've got to pick it up. They've got to find a way. Christian McCaffrey has to find a way to get that thing going because they just lost George Kittle, one of their best guys in the run game, obviously in the pass game, but also a great blocker.

2:14:35So Tongass needs to step up. What is the play here that you wanted to showcase? Something they need to do more of or something you like? No, all these plays are good plays. Let's take a look at the San Francisco 49ers right here. You get a little zone play to the left. It obviously starts with Trent Williams. Watch him run off the football. It's create width immediately. Then he just kind of hangs off. Look at Brendel, 64 downfield on N 'Kobe Dean, puts him on the ground, and then McCaffrey needs more of this. If you can get him frontside and then make the cut, that is when they are thriving. If he gets stopped before he gets to the frontside, that's when they struggle.

2:15:06McCaffrey's a machine. Yeah. Obviously, everything he does, he never gets tired. Jage, it feels like he never gets tired, McCaffrey. I agree. Guy's incredible. He trains very hard. He takes good care of his body. Now, he's obviously had the injuries that come along with that, but he's stellar. I can't believe the Broncos leave the graphic. Come on! I don't like that the Broncos leave the bracket like that. The Broncos, Seattle didn't play. New England Patriots, worst of the wildcard weekend, offensive line-wise, says AQ, then the Niners. Buffalo Bills have a massive, massive win down there with Josh Allen, the greatest.

2:15:39They didn't have their best game is what it sounds like. They didn't. They couldn't run the ball, but again, part of that's going against the number one rush defense in the league, and again, they're getting another tough defense again this week in Denver. And you're going to have to run the football. That's playoff football. You're going to have to find a way to run the football. They lost all the receivers. They've been decimated by injuries. But let's take a look at this play. This is one of their best run plays against Jacksonville. And it starts with their guy, Deion Dawkins. Watch him run off the football.

2:16:04Boom. Get him out. Kick him out. Now watch David Edwards take his guy for a ride. Number 76 downfield puts his guy on the ground. Got to play physical up front. Yeah, I can't believe, and this is not a shot at Jacksonville because we obviously are big fans of Jacksonville. AJ, I can't believe we just completely forgot about Josh Allen in the fourth quarter standing there and going, oh, he's definitely going to win this game. That's what it feels like with Josh, does it not, AJ? Yeah, every time, if Josh has the ball, I feel like he's going to find a way to score, honestly, always. I mean, we've got Cooks making plays.

2:16:37I mean, all over the place, James Cook's the best running back. Cooks also, right? Brandon Cooks, yeah. Yeah, he's also there. Still doing it. I mean, it's insane that he's still going. And then Josh Allen, it's like he's unstoppable. I just don't fully comprehend how it works. Tyrell Shavers, number 14 for them, rookie wide receiver. He tore his ACL, so this will be one of those, again, where if Josh Allen wins this game, it's unbelievable. Also, a rematch of last year. Last year, Denver went to Buffalo in the first round of the playoffs. Buffalo beat the fuck out of them, and now a little redemption, perhaps, for Denver.

2:17:11Okay, number three, Los Angeles Rams. Number two, Chicago Bears. is number one, Houston Texans. The Texans' offensive line, best out of the Super Wild Card weekend while having that defense. That seems like a nice combo to have right now. I saw a clip of D 'Amico Ryan's, and he said, if you can run the football and play good defense, you give yourself a chance. They couldn't throw the ball. They had turnovers. All the things kind of went against them in the passing game. But in the run game, they ran it well, ran for over 100 yards, and played phenomenal defense. Here it is, a little duo play.

2:17:37Classic play, juiciest cut in football. Backside A gap. There it is. Out the back door, Woody Marks. He's been fantastic, the rookie out of USC. Woody Marks runs hard. Against the Colts, they went and took him in the tunnel to check him out for something. Like he walked right in front of the seats we had or whatever. It was like, oh, this guy's gone. That's great news. Then he walks back, got to the side, and then put his helmet on. And I think he had a 40-yard run the first play. Like literally, I saw him 27 seconds before that. Then he gets back out there. Seemingly incredibly tough, explosive, and pounds the rock.

2:18:08And I love that D 'Amico says we're going to be defense. We're going to pound the rock. That's what, 1970s, 1980s football. That's playoff football. It'll forever be playoff football. And C.J. Strzok, I doubt he'll play that bad probably ever again. He had a terrible performance on the outside in the call. We'll see how he handles the call this weekend. The center needs to fix his snaps because clearly that was an issue. He was sending those things back like rockets, and they were low. C.J.'s trying to keep his eyes downfield, and that ball's coming back 100 miles an hour at his knees. He's got to fix that.

2:18:39And he got him at number one. is center not a part of the entire offensive line. Good in the run game, but the snaps, that's what starts the play. You've got to be better there. Clearly, C.J. Stroud wants to keep his eyes downfield. You've got to give a nice little softball right here, right between the waist and the shoulders, right there, a little softball. Now's not time to be practicing what that feels like coming out. You should probably already have that figured out. Number one, Houston Texans offensive line, New England Patriots number six. I think we know which way AQ's going for your particular matchup.

2:19:03Yeah, well, I'm not so sure, just because last year he did that whole song and dance with the number one team and then saying that they were going to lose, but we'll see. It's going to be a hell of a battle. I cannot wait. Congratulations to these offensive lines. Hell yeah. Jay, any final thoughts on the Houston Texans, the Bears, and the Rams being the top three O-lines out of Super Wildcard weekend? I would say that Houston Texans fans, especially to start out the year, were not pleased or at least were not optimistic about that group, and they have clearly come together and found a way, so they deserve a lot of credit because that was a question mark coming into the year and even throughout some of the years.

2:19:39So kudos to them for getting it figured out and getting it right. Yeah, and that's Nick Casario. But to Jayge's point, I've seen a lot of people kind of coming back around to everything they were saying early on, and Nick Casario basically moving Tunsil and a couple other guys out of the building, and then for them to come alive like this has been ridiculous. And then also shout out Ben Johnson and the Bears. Their first moves, we need offensive line. That's right. Immediately. Trade, pay, pay. Let's go ahead and make this happen. Right. Hooney, I mean, dude, his record is truly insane. It's unbelievable.

2:20:12Doesn't know anything but winning everything all the time. Ben Johnson's record is insane as a head coach. What he did over there. Good to see Lil Wayne and Caleb back on the same page. Lil Wayne was just a little emotionally charged. That's all. Fucking cheesehead, dude. You think I want to lose to the Bears? Yeah, right. I don't think so. Sorry about it. And then Caleb said, oh, love, Weez. You said it is Bears down, though. So I like that there's a little rivalry maybe even off the field, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, I mean, you know, Wheezy, obviously the biggest Packers fan there is. He knows that fucking roster inside and out.

2:20:47Doesn't miss a snap of any game. So I kind of – I get my marching orders from him. So if he's, you know, putting the swords down with Caleb, you know, I will sheath my sword as well. And I won't say anything else until next football season. Wheezy F, and the F stands for? Fucking Packers fan. I was going to say football. Friends. Oh, okay. We're friends. Yeah. All apply. Friendly. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking A. Wheezy. Still doing it. Yeah.

2:21:21I hope he gets into the studio and talks about it. You know, has a green and yellow remix about how shit's gone wrong. Yeah. Maybe. That would be great. I saw him talking ball with Tlaib and the boys. He also He's pretty mainstay with Skip and Shannon Skip's on that show too So maybe that's the relationship Is that the Arenas? Gilbert Arenas? I believe so I think Pac-Man was in there with Skip I saw Pac-Man and Skip Bayless in the same video And I was like That is I don't know what this is I think it's Gilbert Arenas has expanded into football I think they got a good roster too From the people I saw talking I was like yes, yes Yeah, so I'm going to have to go back and watch that.

2:22:02But yeah, I think... Weezy's locked in. Weezy loves Bolt. He fucking loves the Packers. I know. What happens with him, Jage, LaFleur? You think they're asking Weezy? Oh, what happens with him? It seems as though they're going for an extension. That's what it seems. Gosh, you have to say it last night. It's up in the air. How come they haven't done it then? You got to get it moving then. I mean, you got to get it moving. These cycles, this thing is going to roll, and the people that got the first crack at it. Now, obviously, you are the Green Bay Packers, so you would have candidates lining up without question.

2:22:37But you can't waste time in these things. Some of these teams interview with, like, 15 different candidates. It's like, I get it. You want to cast a wide net. But if you're doing good, legitimate interviews, it should take, like, almost a full day. And you don't have 15 days to be spending here. Okay, so on all of those notes, don't you think, with no ownership, so whose money is it it's the packers money if you were presented with what the market value is for your coach packers money would say yes you spend that because that is what the market our market the nfl market is saying this is worth so them allegedly not being at the same spot contractually that feels like an interesting signal from the packers from the jump right And that's kind of what I've been saying this entire time.

2:23:30But I might be just an idiot that I'm looking at it that way. Because I guess Green Bay Packers can't just pay everybody because they have no owner or whatever. It's like, but wouldn't the market kind of tell you that the market should give the money? Like, that's just kind of a fascinating part of the entire negotiation. Yeah, but then to replace him with somebody of that caliber or better, if you're going to try and replace him, yeah, you're going to have to pay more in theory. Correct. Yeah. So I think that was an immediate signal. Like, well, that doesn't sound like that is going to go. Because what else do you have to do?

2:24:00Win more games? His record, he'll be like, I'm the fucking. Yeah. Winning the playoffs would be the thing. He has to not win more games. But like you said, I mean, it basically sounds like they have a number set. And then the negotiation right now is, hey, is Matt Floor going to come down to the number that we have? Because clearly his agent or whoever is telling him, hey, you should be a top five paid guy in the NFL. And clearly, from what we've heard, the Packers don't view him that way. So then you flip it and you go from his perspective and you think, all right, look at these other open jobs because he would be a hot candidate.

2:24:31And you say, would I take one of these other jobs and think I have a better chance for success than taking this number here and having a chance for success here? there's not many other jobs that you are set up to be successful immediately compared to where the packers are right now if you believe you're the coach to take them there's a couple but there's not many and what's the money differentiator there you know what is that number to pick up move go to new place and also if that number is kind of small the packers not moving when it's not anybody's money is a funny that's just an interesting that's a very interesting situation over there in his resume to your point every other team would be like yeah we'll take low floor he's run a team before he understands what the building is like he's obviously had success he's had to deal with old goats he's had to develop a young guy like the amount of things his agent can be selling and look how many wins he's had that can go anywhere any of these jobs maybe above harbaugh how wild the nfl is one of those kicks goes in like there's seven points left on the board from kicks like one of those kicks goes in this isn't even a remote conversation talking about getting ready for the divisional round and everything's it is wild how just these little tiny things change full-blown lives forever do you ever think about that maybe with the ownership of these soccer teams yeah all the time we had games earlier this year where we we had man united earlier this year and in the 96th minute they put in a goal at the end or we had liverpool this year earlier where we had a chance to draw like there's so many times fire them and soccer's soccer is a game where it's even more like that because the ball can hit the post and that ball is two centimeters inside that's in the net and it's a completely different game or var and rested it's the life-changing things that happen on sports fields with millions and millions of dollars and so many people's lives that play and then all the fans in their daily lives and when they go to work the next day and their mental state and their emotional state that's why it's so fucking awesome dude sports is the greatest thing in the planet because of that yes yes it is and that's why we think more people who cover it should love sports because of how amazing everything about it is speaking of amazing there was some good d out there wasn't it oh yeah great there was great d out there i even put a tweet i'm like new england's slinging good d right now they are they're really doing it Got a lot of people that didn't know the SEC.

2:27:02A lot of people didn't know the SEC. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to go everything DB, good D, bad D with DB. Yes, sir. Yeah, D-Botch. Let's go, D-Botch, good D, slinging. We will start with the Patriots. We'll stay in the AFC East, though. Came down to the finish, but first pick of the game, Shaq Thompson's cover two, split safety look. Not sure what Trevor Lawrence was looking at here, but great job. Key in the quarterback. This is all you talk about as an underneath defender. They're key to quarterback, break on intentions, and then make a play on the football. Great job by Shaq Thompson.

2:27:35Dan Ove talked about Buffalo Beals going into the playoffs being one of the best coverage unit. You always think about the DBs, but the linebackers are very important to the coverage unit as well. Great job by Shaq Thompson. I like Trevor Lawrence getting there and making the tackle on his pick as well. But great job by Shaq underneath coverage, reading the quarterback and then making the pick out of cover too. It looked like Andrew Luck. He used to cover a kick after an interception. and the Bills defense obviously had a big day. Trevor Lawrence was the hottest he had been in his NFL run yet.

2:28:05Did you see anything from Trevor that makes you believe that it won't continue in the next season against his Bills defense? No, I still believe in him. It's just, you know, it's playoff football and everybody's going to be playing their best. And we know this Buffalo Bills defense and their coach Sean McDermott, they're tried and tested in these situations. You talk about Matt Milano, he was also in that clip outside and the other hook curl defender, Cole Bishop, you know, Johnson. Tredavious White, who's played a ton of football. Benford, like they have experienced players back there that have played in a lot of high leverage situations.

2:28:36I think Trevor Lawrence will be back, especially with Liam Cohen calling the plays. And the arrow is still pointing up for Jacksonville Jaguars. That's good news. As we continue slinging good D, bad D with DB, we have some breaking news. Dante Moore will be headed back to Oregon. Wow. For another year. This is obviously a decision after watching this season and how this season ended at 20 years of age. I think only like 21 games through his college football career. I think a lot of people thought it would make sense if he was to go get more ball under his belt, especially with the amount of money that you can make in the current NIL world.

2:29:12Now, he was projected to potentially be the number two overall pick. So there isn't much higher that you can go in the draft other than the number one overall pick for if he stays for another season. But we all understand that if you're good at football in the NFL and great when you get there, your second and third contracts are going to be gigantic as opposed to just moving up from number two to number one. And maybe he does jump to the number one overall pick with another season. Dylan Riola transferred into Oregon. We assume that he will be a backup and has agreed to be a backup. I think that was reported whenever he decided to transfer over to Oregon.

2:29:45So Dan Lanning and the Oregon Ducks get their quarterback back, A.J. Hawk. How do you feel about it? Yeah, I mean, I think good for him. I'm glad Oregon, I would assume, is very, very happy about this. Dante Morkin, he can play. I mean, I love how dynamic he is, how his arm strength. And we talked about after that first play, pick six to start the game. He came back the next drive and showed a lot of like, it's tough to pull the trigger, I think, once you do that first play of the game. So I give him a lot of credit. AJ, you were number five overall, right, pick? Yeah. Jay, when were you selected?

2:30:14They booed, obviously. But what was it? Eleven. You were 11 overall? Whenever you're getting that read back, both of you guys, I guess I would ask JJ, you could start, hey, this is what you're going to get picked. It's basically locked in. Dante's probably going number two. that you'd be the second quarterback guy. Quarterbacks normally lead the way. Now, granted, it could go differently if somebody saw something in Indiana. Whatever. You get it. But it was projected very high draft pick. To go back to college now, different than back in the day, it feels like, right? Doesn't it? Yeah. And I do believe, like you were talking about, from going from two to one, I mean, that's minuscule in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the ability to get to a second contract and pushing it a year down the road.

2:30:52And NIL has changed everything. Like, it's not – I mean, yes, there's still absolutely the love of the game. wanting to finish unfinished business and all of that but more than ever this is all a business now and getting to that second contract a year earlier in my personal opinion when you're that high now it's for me personally i was they actually told me you're a projected first slash second rounder but the guy was like i would say closer to the first round um and then i kind of from there decided you know i'm going to crush the combine and i'm going to crush my interviews and get myself up there but i mean if you're projected to be the number two overall pick i mean let's get this train rolling you know unless you really don't like the team that's drafting up there unless you really there's some reason where you don't like the way things are shaking out for this year but get that train rolling buddy so jage's take is the faster you get to the nfl the faster we get to that second overall or second contract in that third contract which is where the 50 million a or whenever they get to that point.

2:31:5375 for them. That is... Very different conversation for a projected fourth or fifth round pick quarterback who could also make$6,$7 million in college. Very different conversation. Definitely. Definitely, definitely, definitely. But did you leave early, Jade? Yes. This guy's a dog, dude. Smart man. Age, you didn't leave early, right? You played four bowl games, if I recall. Yeah, I played all four. Yeah. Jade said, first, second round? Have they seen me jump? This is 80 % luck. 40 % too. And then you jumped. I mean, A, it's your dream. B, the body's only got so many years in it, man. You've got to take advantage.

2:32:33He's 20. He's very young. Now, granted, which would mean he'd be so young getting to a second contract. But what we've seen over the past, it feels like, guys who have more ball experience in college have seemingly had better transitions into the NFL, which is maybe the most important thing of this entire conversation. Yeah, we have seen that as of late. Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix come in with a ton of reps under their belt, played in different systems, different coaches. They come in and have that success. But I'm kind of with JJ. If you're at the top of the draft, you have an opportunity. Obviously, you can go back to Oregon and do your thing there.

2:33:05But we've seen quarterbacks, even like a Sam Darn or a Baker Mayfield, figure it out maybe on their second or third team. So get in the NFL, develop there, make your money there. And then hopefully at some point, if you're good enough and you believe in yourself and your work ethic, you'll get it done. But, yeah, it's not much higher. You can go in the draft, go and get that money. Now, granted, we are in an era where Trey Lance's name will get brought up. Obviously didn't get to play a lot of football because of COVID and everything like that. Anthony Richardson didn't get to play a lot of ball.

2:33:34Who knows what his contract goes to. And I'm not saying Dante Moore hasn't played more ball than those guys. He certainly has. But it feels like the reps show up now. And maybe this Oregon run will help him. But, yeah, number two overall is – Tom, what is the thought? Did we think he was coming back? I think immediately after the game I thought he was coming back just strictly because of emotions. Like that can't be how this year ends and everything like that. But then as you kind of drift away from it, you wonder how many business people are getting into the conversation. So for him to return, it does feel like he's completely bought into Coach Lanning and what Oregon can do.

2:34:10I guess we should have expected that. Yeah, like I didn't know what he was going to do. And I was in the camp of the, you know, play more football. So, and I get the, get to the second contract, but put yourself in a better chance to play better football to get to the second contract. Once you go to the NFL, because we have seen recently how awesome it's been for guys that have been there for a while. And I mean, I have no idea how much money Oregon is shelling out for Dante Moore and also to get Raiola to agree to be a backup. That's got to be insane. But when I saw their top four defensive linemen who were all supposed to go to the NFL draft all decided to stay, it kind of in my mind was like, oh, maybe this is a team thing.

2:34:49This is a, hey, we just got embarrassed. Hey, we're coming back for one more year to do this the right way, kind of like Ohio State did two years ago or last year. Sorry, excuse me. So I thought there was a decent chance that he would end up staying, but then the Ryle thing kind of threw a curveball. But I'm not completely shocked. But I do – this may be a slightly cynical outlook, look, but it's just reality from having seen situations happen to guys in my life, whether it was a guy in a contract year where something happens and he doesn't end up getting the contract he should. You have to also weigh the risk and reward of the situation and what you can possibly lose in addition to what you could possibly gain.

2:35:28And I've seen so many times a guy going into a contract year where he's set up for the biggest extension possible. And then all of a sudden it might even be in the playoff game, the last game of the season he gets hurt and now all of a sudden he's not getting the extension he thought he was and as a player i know that like everything about it sounds right this is awesome you're going back to school this is awesome he wants to finish unfinished business all this is great but like sometimes people need to also talk to the individual about the the realities jay just saying yeah mighty ducks is cool okay we're all going to the same academy i yeah okay Yeah, this is all really cool.

2:36:05But there's a chance that movie ends bad, and it doesn't work out whenever you come back. And then also, what else happened? Well, projections are a little bit different because the quarterback class next year loaded. I mean, absolutely loaded. So if you continue to think about the second contract, though, with how loaded the next quarterback class is, maybe he propels himself up to number one, but also maybe he gets on a team that isn't completely ass. I mean, there are certainly some positives that can come from all this if he remains healthy and if he continues to develop. I mean, it just happened with Penn State.

2:36:31Right. Drew Aller was number one overall pick, and they were going to have two other dudes go from that D-line, and their running backs were going to go, and their entire season exploded after playing Oregon. So you can make that argument. But also, on the other side of it, you can look at Ty Simpson, guy going to play on Monday, Carson Beck, like, well, holy shit. All of a sudden, we might be the number two overall pick. That's a great opportunity now for those other guys. The Dante Moore thing, like, cool, hopefully it works out. Who knows? I mean, can't go. We hope it works. I hope it works out genuinely do.

2:37:03And then for those other guys, too, it's a great opportunity. And you wonder now what, like, the Jets are thinking, who we're at, too, who everyone was like, well, they're just going to take Dante Moore. Like, you wonder what the repercussions now with the NFL, the big league, it really will be now. What Tone's been saying for the last couple days, there's only one quarterback coming out of this draft class. How do you know, Tone? Did you have shock being a guy? Kuyper had more at one. Yeah, Kuyper did have more at one. That popped up on the screen. As I was saying, literally, I had to look like the biggest asshole of all time.

2:37:35Fernando Mendoza is generational. And then they pop up on the lower third. Mel Kuyper Jr.'s projected draft. Number one, Dante Moore Jr. Number two, Fernando Mendoza. I'm like, all right, Mel Kuyper. Didn't know I got drafted to punt on the day I got drafted. Yeah, he should do a thing. My draft celebration with my family is he's burying me in the background. Okay, obviously, that's great. Thank you, Mel Kuyper Jr., for doing that to me. but a man who loves ball, so we will certainly stick with it. But I was so confused on what he was seeing versus what I was seeing in Fernando Mendoza being 6 '5", 230, and then watching him just be methodical on this offense.

2:38:11And then they talk about his work ethic and how he's able to do things, and then he's having beers with the boys, which I don't know if Mel Kuyper Jr. is holding as high regard as I hold it, especially when people are calling him AI. D-Bott asked him a question, he gave an answer, and D-Bott said that's what an AI would say. He about thinks he's a robot. He gave an AI answer. He did. I don't mind a robotic quarterback. You definitely got to be human. But I had questions. He answered them. We'll see. Well, he has beers, too. I don't know if his computers can drink beers yet. Once they can, we do got to start worrying about it.

2:38:39The odds currently at DraftKings have Fernando Mendoza at minus 8 ,000. Trinidad Chambliss at plus 3 ,000. I like that Winnedad's getting a look, though. After we saw him live, he was cool, man. He's throwing the spots, too. He can't see shit. So he's not going to be able to see in the NFL, obviously. that's going to be talked about a lot with Trinidad. But whenever he was playing, the game we were watching against Miami's defense, very big, very physical, he was throwing the spots already. So, like, that's an NFL throw. He's going to have Brock Purdy has to do that because he's small. Drew Brees had to do that.

2:39:08Kyler Murray is going to have to continue to get better at that. Like, that is what undersized guys have to kind of prove. He proved that to us, I think, against Miami. Yeah, I was very impressed with his just control of the game, understanding coverages, understanding what spots to throw to, kind of the timing, when to throw to him. You saw a lot of those throws. He was throwing the ball before his receivers were even out of their break. And how live his arm was. I didn't know his arm had that type of juice. And it's much different when you are on the field and you can see it in real time. And then the high-pressure moments.

2:39:36I feel like that's when he played his best football. And I know he's still going through the court situation in Mississippi, trying to get that extra year. But if he were to come out and be like a mid-round pick, I can see this guy being a guy in the NFL. I don't know if he's going to be a mid-round with the way this year is with quarterbacks. I think he's, I don't know, next year's draft class quarterback loaded with names. Yeah. Who knows if they'll end up being actual players. So many teams right now need quarterbacks, and there's nine open jobs. A few of those teams need quarterbacks. You would assume a coach might like a guy, hey, if he's there, we'll take.

2:40:09Dano said Perk Cousins, and then he said Kirk Cousins. Is he going to get cut is what he said? Allegedly. I think so. Which makes no sense because he also said if Kirk Cousins would have started every game, the Falcons were won 11 games and won the division. So why did you cut that? So he's speaking from Kirk's side saying they're about to cut a guy that if they would have just let play this last year, he would have won a bunch of games. Did he say possible re-sign after they cut him? Didn't he say that? Yeah, I agree to his deal. And Chris and Kirk Cousins might end up just picking a different team.

2:40:35There might just be another team up there at the top that wants him. He's going to be a stealer. Got it. That's a great question, J.J. I mean, it took me a lot to not say the other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hey, they all go together there at the same time. The Steelers, fascinating. Will Hart. Bill Hart. We've seen Will. Will's good. I liked Will. Will's big. Will's got moxie. Will's got a lot of celebrations with teammates. Will could have crumbled. Will didn't. Like, I like Will Howard. The cut of Will Howard's jib, I think. I don't know how he is throwing an NFL ball. I don't know how he is with an offense.

2:41:12I don't know any of that shit. But I just know that Will Howard as quarterback feels like a guy that could be the guy. Well, and so what we were just talking about, all the names in the draft next year, like, this would be the year to find out if a guy's got it or not. Like, if you're the Steelers and you have Will Howard, it's like, hey, the two options here are we drafted an absolute gem in the fifth and sixth round, or we didn't, and now we're going to have a top pick for all the quarterbacks next year. Art Rooney spoke today, and he said he wants to contend every year. What are you talking about?

2:41:38I don't want to waste a little year of my life, is what he said. Tone, what does that mean to you, bud? He did say that, and he couldn't say, like, hey, yeah, we're tanking next year. in my mind. But no, he did say, you know, we are going to try and contend. He said if we can every single year. And then he also said that whoever comes in and gets hired has free will to pick whatever coaching staff they want. They're not going to make them have any holdovers from this coaching staff. Fascinating. Everybody out. We need something new here. Do you think he said, Jage, do you think he was like, so you're stepping down as a head coach?

2:42:16No, no. You stepping down? I don't think so. How are we doing this? He said he was surprised. He said he was shocked. Ready to do it one more year. Yeah, he was ready to do it one more year. But did you happen to see the two coaches he's already bringing in for interviews? Who? Shula and Steele Haas. It's Steele Haas. Damn it. No, it's Steele Haas. Nah. Especially if he ends up in Pittsburgh. Now, Tone thinks that Steele Haas, there's a chance maybe he doesn't even get the head coaching job and he still goes to Pittsburgh. Hell yeah. You think Shula potentially gets head coaching job. He goes ahead and takes over the defense.

2:42:44Steele Haas, welcome to Steele Haas. you go ahead and do the offense. Now you got two Sean McVeigh's. Is that what you're thinking, Tone? Yeah, it's the best of both worlds. I mean, he's not calling plays in LA right now. He's not even the OC. So Shula comes in. You know, he's our young DC. That's what we do. That's how we hire coaches. And then Steel Haas comes in. He's run the offense for a couple years, so he gets new gig. How do you feel about it, Jage? I think it's already figured out. Shout out to the Pittsburgh Steelers having the quickest turnover in maybe history of ball. I mean, it's definitely a name that's been up there.

2:43:14Shula, I'm talking about. I mean, Phil House certainly has drawn cards and fills in for that spree of McVay and those guys that have done that for him in that role before. What? What's your question? You seem like you're being a little condescending about the drawing plays. You sound like Zach Taylor talking about it. No, I think it's one of the best things that you can do as a guy trying to come up in the coaching world. I really do believe that it's a shitty job. It's not a fun job. It sucks, and they have to spend hours and hours doing it. but I really do believe that that's one of those things that the guys that do it turn into great coaches.

2:43:48Hey Q, did you draw a place? I did draw a place. So maybe not, Jage. Wow. Oh, yikes. No, he stepped away. What did Jason Light say when you guys had him on about me? What did Jason Light say? Say you're a great coach. Go ahead, say what he said. He said you're a great coach. No, I think he said I could have been a head coach one day. I think that's what he said on your show. Did he say that? You must have missed that. I remember that. I was here for that. I remember him mentioning the plays. being like, yeah, AQ had some dumb fucking triple reverse bullshit that we would never run. Oh, yeah, he was always pitching.

2:44:19Yeah. He liked how you fixed the printer that one time. That was a great job. That was a great job I had that year. Is this in every building? And then the McVay one is just so special because McVay is the offensive guru? Well, I think the biggest thing is drawing the play. Everybody runs the same plays, but it's how you bring it to life. I think that's what the purpose of this video is. It's showing, okay, cool, you can have a three-by-one set. You can have this concept drawn up, but it's how do we get there? How does this extra foot split on this guy? That's the biggest thing of what this video is trying to show.

2:44:51All the Liam Cohen, exactly how McVay wants it to be done. But also, you've got to have a quarterback. I mean, in the game against the Panthers, you've got to have a quarterback that can manipulate linebackers with eyes to throw the ball behind too. I think that's a big piece to this puzzle. So it's not just drawing up the plays? Well, yeah, you could be drawing up shitty plays. Correct. Yeah, you could have a coach who you are drawing up plays for that he doesn't know what he's doing. So now you're learning from a guy who doesn't know what he's doing, and everything that you're learning is incorrect.

2:45:19So these guys are giving plays to McVay, or they're drawing up McVay's plays? Drawing up McVay's plays. So McVay's giving it to Steelhouse, Shieldhouse, and then all of a sudden he has to bring it to life, and then he has to go check it with McVay, and McVay's like, no, I want him out another footer, another two feet on the split, because that's going to bring this guy up to open up the dig behind or whatever it may be. And then that heads to everybody's iPad. Bingo. And everybody's role is clearly defined in every single play. And he's telling you, I'm doing this because this is going to bring up the linebacker, the safety is going to go out to cover this guy, and that's why we're going to have this open read for our quarterback here.

2:45:54And he's doing it for every defense, for every play in the entire playbook. So if you are a smart person, you are just drinking all that knowledge jayna all year while watching him handle the team in team meetings while watching how he handles guys individually on a day-to-day basis and you're now building your entire world of what you're going to look like as a head coach based off of one of the best to do it interesting pretty good idea i guess that's why the mcveigh cup of coffee has worked a couple different times has failed i saw a couple names on there yeah it has failed but we shall see what that's why sabins are all good Saban's coaching tree is very good Saban's coaching tree is very good it's a national championship right now hearing them talk about Saban and why he was so good for them was I assume that was cool to hear from Saban because like Bruce Arian said the other day not here actually he was on Zoom he said once he listens to his players in the press conference to see if they're getting it or not right like to hear if they're getting the messaging or not or hear the players through the media or maybe even their social media like if it landed he'll probably get through that way Saban I wonder how many times these coaches have told him thank you but then like to lay out why and Saban's probably like okay I'm happy that like what I was trying to accomplish did work you know like I'm happy for Saban every time he gets his flowers because that that fucker is so humble just so matter of fact all right and just keeps every one of those conversations is just so uncomfortable for him it's just like quickly so he's been forced on game day basically to listen they turn up his ears he can't go anywhere and they just fucking force him to hear it it's like that's be a cool moment for him but it is interesting how some ways work in some ways don't it feels like mcveigh's work that's the big part the communication part not only with the coaching staff but then to the players that's why you see a lot of times when coaches go to new places they'll not only bring other coaches from that staff but they'll bring some players to some okay this guy's a free agent now let me bring him over because now he's going to get that message from the coaching level into these individual meeting rooms, whether it's linebackers, D-line, wide receivers, tight ends.

2:47:56Like, hey, this is what he wants. This is why he wants it. This is why we have success. And then you can kind of massage it and make it different, you know, whether week by week or year by year, based on your personnel. Because, you know, different receivers, Devontae Adams, he's going to run a route completely different than, you know, Justin Jefferson. But you still have the same bones of the concept. You can communicate that all the way from the top, all the way down. Go ahead, James. D 'Amico Rhyans was telling us about this in our production meeting for Week 18. He was saying, I put my guys up in front of the room and have them teach the defense because if they can't stand up in front of the room and teach it, they're not hearing what I'm saying.

2:48:33So he was like, and it'll be completely random. And then we started talking to Petrie and some of the guys about it. But they're like, he'll call you up at any time. It could be even on game day before the game. Like he may have you teach something because he just wants to make sure you have it at the exact same level that the coaches have it. And if you can't, he changes himself as a coach. He doesn't get mad at the players. He's like, okay, they're not understanding what I'm saying. I have to relay it differently. The other thing that's interesting too, JJ, as you know, is you can hide. Like if you're not put in front of the group, you can hide behind your assignment.

2:49:03You understand one assignment, but you don't understand the reason why we're doing it as a whole. It's the same thing in the offensive line room. My offensive line coaches used to put guys on the board. And like if you understand the whole concept and not just memorizing what you're supposed to do, you can hide as long as you never get called on, right? You can go out and probably do your job at a decent level. But then the minute they put you on the board, you can't imagine how many guys get uncomfortable. And then the O-line coach is like, okay, well, if you're uncomfortable presenting in front of seven guys, how am I supposed to trust you in front of 100 ,000 in a playoff game or 90 ,000 in a playoff game?

2:49:35Yeah, fascinating styles of coaching. Hunters have the same thing? I was calling where we were going, when we were going. That's about the basics. Tom McMahon, though, I mean, I don't think he slept for a full football season. That guy. Just trying to find every single edge. You know how special teams coordinators are. Special teams guys are nuts. He found them. And he did. We did. We had a hell of a run there. I mean, we had a hell of a run with what we had going on there. Yeah, you experienced it a couple different times. But we had a good run there. But, yeah, I knew the wise, you know, and I'd try to help in the room.

2:50:12We'd have a young guy. How many unrun plays did you use? Unrun? How many plays were there that you didn't run? I feel like special teams coaches have a billion fakes. Yes. And then the ones that get called, you're fascinated by. Because it's like, wow, the last one was certainly better than this one. And then, you know, what happens with the Patriots happens. It's like, classic. How is this the one? We had one last week that was an end-around double reverse throw. Guaranteed touchdown. There's no way the third-string linebacker would be able to keep up with this guy that we had. It's like, we're not running that.

2:50:43That's a lot of ball exchanges there, you know, for a lot of things. It's like, all right. And this one, we weren't even supposed to snap the ball. Seems safe. Seems safe. It was not. No, still talked about. It lived forever, though. And the only name that's on the screen, right there across the bottom. I'm 30 yards away from the action. Right across the bottom. I was having a pretty good little day, though. You look at those numbers. Nobody look. All right, let's get back to some good D, shall we, Jage? Is that okay with you? Yeah. I might need to get some lunch at some point. This is on you.

2:51:17This is on you. It's completely on me. 2.55. You guys have been going. Jage has been really going. I got to piss like there's no tomorrow. See, you guys should see. I know. Should have, could have, would have. Believe me, I hear you. So I used to have, I used to have, he offered to, for us. Yeah. I wanted to hear. Responsibility. I wanted to hear. I still, I still heard. I don't have a pack. I'm plugged in. Yeah. It was good. It was. It was very entertaining. But now I got a piss down my leg. So when I did, I think that Barwis did it in college too, and it was kind of handled better. When I was playing soccer, though, certain different levels, we'd have conditioning periods.

2:51:53Obviously, soccer is a lot of conditioning. It was my least favorite, obviously, of this whole thing. And they would say, all right, you're going to jog this side, then you're going to sprint this side, then you're going to jog, then you're going to sprint. And if you're on a team with a bunch of assholes, the jog is not a jog. It's like a high-speed lead into the sprint, you know? AJ Hall. And every single time. No, he was a jogger. I assume AJ jogs because you know that fucker's running you until you're dead. That dude's running you until you're dead anyway. So it doesn't matter, like, what you're doing here.

2:52:24So all you're doing is really just fucking me, it felt like, the entire time. So I would just inevitably just jog. And I would be embarrassed early. And then all of a sudden, there at the end, tortoise and hare situation happens. That's what happened there, boys. We had an opportunity to go piss. You guys said, no, I'm going to power through this. I'm going to do a gear six change. And here we are, 3 o 'clock. Still bringing it. Matt, respect you. If I didn't say anything, you would have never known. Foxy's shaking back in. Yeah, I couldn't leave. I wasn't going to leave this battle station with JJ on here by himself because disaster could have happened.

2:52:59And I wasn't trying to be tough in this situation. Yeah, I understand. You got to do what you got to do. But he has been shaking over there. And then I immediately thought of you guys. Yeah. And I thought Ty, pretty impressive. Yeah, you know, I mean, hey. You have good days and you have bad days. Today's not a bad day. You know what's a good day? We see some good D. Hell yeah. Let's get back to some great D as we battle with our blouse. Power through. Speaking of power through, it's how the Bills ended the game. We all talked about maybe Josh Allen scored a little too quick. Nope, he didn't. Trusted the defense.

2:53:27Tredavis White, Sean McDermott's first pick, he wouldn't finish this game. We talk about tips and overthrows all the time. Sticky coverage on the dig route. He tips it up. Cole Bishop comes down with it. Just one robber coverage, helping the middle of the field. Bishop driving down, reading it. Great job batting it up in the air. Great job picking it off. Great job finishing the game for the Buffalo Bills. Dan Orlovsky said that secondary is the best in the league. They win the game for him. He did win the game. Close him out, move on to the next round. That's a Dan wagon whenever it hits. When a Dan wagon hits, it's certainly a victory lap.

2:53:59He and his medium polo today looked very cool. Did you see him in that, Jage? Backstance. That's defensive backs. in the NFL? Yeah, that's... That was kind of our argument. That was our whole thing. Yeah, we argued him with that. Right before. He said best coverage unit was Dan's statement. I agree with Texas. He said right before he said best coverage unit is the Buffalo Bills, he said, you can make the argument all four of the secondary players for the Houston Texans are frickin' first team all pro. Yeah, so he was kind of in both defenses really good, obviously both secondary, but the secondary goes and wins the game and then Dan Orlovsky, obviously.

2:54:37Oh, just like I said. I wonder if you heard what I said the other day. And then that's good for Dan because there's a lot of times where Dan's not. It's ridiculous. Let's get some more good D's, shall we? Another good coverage unit, another good defense. That get talked about a lot as much as the other guys out there. But a great job. Dan also talked about, hey, I didn't know what the hell the Patriots are running on defense. This was kind of what Justin Herbert was dealing with. You already had a bad offensive line. Now this bad offensive line has to figure shit out post. Now if you run it back to the beginning real quick, You got seven guys up there.

2:55:08Three are going to rush from up top. You're going to have one rush from the bottom. And then the other three guys circled are going to drop out with man-to-man coverage behind him. Herbert and the guys behind him had no idea where to go with this football. This was an early indication of how this game was going to go for him offensively. You'll see Bobby Spillane blitzing, being a free hitter. And staying on the outside, keeping that leverage, even though he had some other rushers on the outside of him. And just that last frame, you got six guys around the quarterback. So that lets you know the pressure worked.

2:55:36Is CJ and the boys going to be able to handle this, Jage? Because obviously we're talking about the Texans' defense. Patriots' defense, obviously nothing to sneeze at. No, I don't disagree with you. But according to AQ Shipley, they have the number one offensive line remaining in the playoffs, so I would imagine that they are going to find success. That was just for the last week. Here's one way to combat it, though. Quick walk back. You stay on track. That's how you combat this. You've got to stay out of third and long. Third and long brings this. Get to third and three and four. There you go.

2:56:05You've got to change. Just a quick question. That's why Jason Light wanted you to be head coach right there. Hell yeah. Stay ahead of the change. Second and long to your point. A lot of open jobs. You want us to put you in the pool? You want to go in the coaching's pool? No, I sure don't. I sure don't. I sure don't. Could you do it? That was back with the Saturday thing. Could you step in and do it? Jeff did it. Thank you. I think we all could. I mean, I think we understand the way how building works. You can step in. We'll be good. Who knows? It all depends on the player. Yeah. You need players.

2:56:35That's how you win. That's how you win. So it's all on the GM already. You're not even in a building yet, and you're already blaming the GM in the front office. Jimmy's in the Joes, not the X's and the O's. Okay, so. Would you win? So who cares? He gets hired then. Tail is all the stuff. Would you win the division with the Buccaneers this coming season?

2:56:54Carolina's good Shucks got another year with Kelly Mo I like the roster Tampa has. Yeah, they've got to stay healthy. I mean, they had a ton of injuries that decimated them down the stretch, but I like that roster. Getting your hands on Tristan worse. Oh, yeah. Orlovsky is your OC. Maybe your O-line coach for Orlovsky up at the Lions. We've got a good O-line coach. The Bucs fired. Yeah, they do. I like Hank Fraley. I like Hank Fraley. He went to college in my hometown. Robert Morris University. Bobby Mo? Yeah. Hell yeah. What were you about to say? You were about to say something about somebody.

2:57:26The Bucs fired a bunch off their staff. A bunch. Yeah. I mean, I think they kept the offensive line coach, but everybody else and defense, I mean, they kind of cleaned house. So you think about maybe getting a tight end coach down there or what? No. QB, man, sure not. Tight end. I know, just trying to pick up a job down there and just get A over them. Catch a ball. Oh, this guy's a Hall of Fame basketball player. Yeah. Used to take on who was the guy you took on every – No, he took on. Hard time. Took on a lot. taller and better basketball players than Nate Hartung. Nate Hartung was a hell of a battle.

2:58:00I don't think so. I don't know, Aikki. I don't think so. I played against Darrell Rivas, who was a damn good basketball player. Not like Hartung. You played against Darrell Rivas? Every year. How'd you do? I got kicked out of the game. Hell yeah. Aikki Shippen football, baby. So he drove the lane. He drove the lane. I stepped in and I took a charge. He laid it in, caught it out of the net, and laid it in my chest. I don't think so. The next time down, I'm on the opposite block. He drives the lane, spins to the middle of the lane. I came across with a flying forearm, put him three rows into the bleacher.

2:58:38Is this away game or home game? This was at Aliquippa. Such a heel. That student section wanted to kill you. Oh, yeah. Oh, high school basketball. Double T, see ya. Oh, I can imagine you'll walk out. Did anybody talk about that in the Hall of Fame whenever you went in? No. What was your walkout? You untucked your jersey, obviously. Took your jersey off. I got a great waddle. Waddle off. I think I kind of did one of these, like, fuck you. See you later. And what's dad and mom doing there? They're leaving, heading to the exit. I think my mom was teeing up the ref like, you know my mom, she's a psycho.

2:59:14My dad's like, what the fuck is going on here? Let's just get out of here. Oh, you had the barbed wire too? Yeah. Is that actually you? Yeah. Hall of Fame basketball player, dude. What was your stats that were ridiculous that put you in the Hall of Fame? I mean, I averaged 20 and 12 my junior year. Your 1 ,000-point score. Yeah. I had over 1 ,000 points, over 1 ,000 rebounds. That's pretty fucking good. That's insane. That is. High school. So what? Fucking athlete. So what? Oh, yeah, number one center in the country as well. And won the state championship, JJ. Wow. In basketball. That picture is blowing my mind.

2:59:49You should see him around here whenever he starts really getting back in at high school. He's like Doug Heffernan. Sure. Big pop out of the back. Somebody knows who that is. And there was a huge pop. Thank you. I thought that was going to crush. I'm not going to lie. It did back there. You could hear it through the glass. I want to let you know, your audience, the demo you were looking for, fucking, oh, that's Kevin James? In what show? In what movie? The King of Queens. King of Queens, what are we doing? Oh, that was his King of Queens name. Oh, okay. I love that show. That's a good show. Him and that lady, she got good accent.

3:00:28Yeah, Leah Ramini. Left the church of Scientology. Learned a lot about her. King of Queens was a great show. Arthur Spooner. Come on. Jerry Stiller. Great show. Rest in peace, obviously. That was a great show. Just like Arthur you guys talked about earlier. D.W.? Arthur's a goat. You can't tell me you've never heard of Arthur. I've heard of it. It's the bear, right? No, he's an arvark. No, he's an arvark. He looks like a bear. I don't know Arthur at all. This is a big debate on the internet. He does look like a bear. Everyone on the internet is like, can we pull a picture of him? You know Arthur?

3:01:02I don't know who you're talking about. Do you know Arthur? I know the cartoon Doug. That's the only cartoon I've ever really known. Doug? Doug? I know B-Dubs was D-Dubs. Rugrats. Foxy is going pee, so we're not able to really switch anything at the current moment. Somebody just hit him. Oh, the switcher? Who just switched that? Was that Foxy? knows any of the buttons. If Arthur pops up, you can say that's a bear. It is a debate on the internet. People just found out recently he was an aardvark, but I think because you're saying bear, people are pointing like, oh, you're talking about Winnie the Pooh.

3:01:35But no, if you see Arthur... I know Winnie the Pooh now. I know Winnie the Pooh. You know exactly who Arthur is too, I think. I don't know about a bear. His head's an oval. I agree he doesn't look like an aardvark, but I don't know if he looks like a bear. What the hell is an aardvark? He's not a tall one right now. D-Dub's got some bear in her. and dog, of course. Okay, let's go through shows that you loved as a kid. Saved by the Bell, obviously the greatest. Let's move forward. Rugrats was awesome. Boy Meets World. Great show. Rocket Power. Rocket Power. Yeah. Power Rangers. Power Rangers had a run.

3:02:07Power Rangers? Hell yeah. Home Improvement. Home Improvement. Great show. Cat Dog. Power. Cat Dog had a run, right? Recess. Tim Allen. Recess. Married with children. Oh, Al Bundy. Yeah. Smallville. Fresh Prince. Girls Gone Wild. Fresh Prince is a great show. It's a good one, Tony. Girls Gone Wild. Hanging with Mr. Cooper. Oh, hanging with Mr. Cooper. Good pull. Hang time. Doug. Full House. Full House. Family Matters. Family Matters. Step by Step. Ian and Tamara. Step by Step. That's the one I couldn't think of. Classic. Day by day. Yeah, exactly. These are.

3:02:59George Lopez Oh yeah He had a talk show He did He looks like a fucking wacko these days It's awesome His hair Congrats Foxy Thank you boys Let's go until 4pm now I'm ready to roll No no no no How the fuck long is this show? How long does this show go? Can you pull that art mark up, Foxy? Six hours. We need a little help out. We need Arthur. Me neither, bud. Let me get on Bruce's laptop. Hold on. Okay. All right. Bruce is going to poop. All right. Yeah, Bruce is going to poop. Bruce is going to poop. This is what happens, Jage. You know, and if we have a, like, a ridiculously long night or travel the day before, normally it's a nice mental test that I like to do.

3:03:43I don't know if the boys necessarily enjoy it. that shows normally the longest. So it's like if you see us travel, we've got to put up four hours after maybe three hours sleep night before. That's what we've got to do, J.J. That's the biz. This is the biz. You never get it. It's the worst photo of Arthur I've ever fucking seen. That's pretty quick, though. It's the worst fucking photo of Arthur I've ever seen. That was very quick. You shitting me? The fucking disrespect on Arthur. It doesn't look like a bear I see the ears Get a photo of DW Yeah there you go Oh yeah I know that guy That doesn't look like a bear or an aardvark You know what a fucking aardvark looks like No I've been asking for this whole time What is an aardvark what's it look like Like that it looks like Arthur That's what an aardvark looks like I would happen upon this out in the wild somewhere It has a long nose It's got jeans on Like a truncated elephant.

3:04:45Like anteater type things? Similar. Like an armadillo. Kind of like a dillo. Where are they? I think also... We're indigenous to. Desert-y... Feels like Australia. To the desert land, maybe? Plateaus? Good usage of the word indigenous by A.J. Hawk. Has ever actually a didgeridoo? Oh, yeah. That's Australia, right? Bruce is back. Can you pull up an aardvark picture? Pull fucking DW. What is what? Arthur's sister. She's the dog of the show. Fucking always getting under Arthur's skin. The best part of the show. She's got a sick pink dress. It's like a pink purplish lavender, if you will, dress. Undershirt, white.

3:05:32Is it like a learning show? It's a learning show. Arthur and D-Dub. That's not D-Dub. That's not to go. That's an aardvark? That is an aardvark. That's an aardvark. Where are they from, Bruce? What does it say? They are native to the sub-Saharan part of the African continent. Sure. Plateaus and plains. Such. Such. All right, let's get back on. Can we show DW? Can we show DW? I thought we were going to fucking put DW up here. I don't know if we got it. Are you all right, James? James, you started this. You started this, James. Come on. D.W. What's the Ocean Club? I keep forgetting that I'm in my own.

3:06:12I could just walk to the kitchen at any moment. I'm not tied to the chair. Exactly. You could have hung up an hour ago. Yeah, you could have just said, I'm here for the ball. There she is. Doug Gold. We appreciate that, J.J. Obviously, we're all getting through this together. Yeah, D.W. definitely looks like an aardvark. That's D.D.W. That's definitely an aardvark. Yep. Yep. Five fingers for sure. I didn't get to the Sub-Sahara, it seems like. Maybe get to the bottom of this. but you brought up Arthur. This is kind of on you. Now, Jage, maybe you go. Do we get anything for hitting minute milestones on this?

3:06:46This is nowhere near. Jage, this is nowhere near. Nowhere near. What's the draft spectacular? Five, five. No, yeah, when you're planning for it, when you know it's coming, no problem. If I had snacks right here, if I had things to eat, If I had drinks to drink, I'd be here all day long. Go back to the pump-up speech, JJ. I need to pump myself up right now. I'm struggling. Let's get some inside thoughts. Yeah, go ahead. Let's get some of your inside thoughts out. We would like to hear that because we're kind of battling too. There might be people trying to wrap up their work day right now. Why don't you go ahead and give them a little bit of thought there, JJ, for yourself.

3:07:26My problem is food. My problem is food. Some people's is sleep. Some people's is whatever. Mine is food. if if i do not eat for a certain number of hours all hell breaks and i am clearly understanding that i'm lucky to have food at my disposal at all times let's not go down that road well i'm just a large kind of sound like a little spoiled brat right there absolutely little jj wine

3:07:54um but i'm hungry i i did not plan my day food wise to be on this show for six hours straight so remember the watt diet yeah i'm starting to think about what's in the fridge what's possible to eat and my stomach is currently going catabolic and eating itself oh i like that you're going to be ripped up uh maybe get yourself a little six eight ten pack before we head in the divisional round maybe you're shirtless for the next motivational speech for the houston texans uh funny you mentioned another thing we have to kind of uh kind of dive in on a little bit did you know jj wow was coming or was that out of nowhere when we all saw it uh some of it was scripted some of it was uh improvised so it was it was great that was that was a fun day man that was a fun day we i flew in literally was there for like two hours and we had the script we started going and then it just snowballed into something different and it was it was a blast those guys are great his brother tj he's cool shane's a man shane is a weapon absolutely we did the masters together We just literally bumped into each other, walking along the path at the Masters, and then spent fucking four hours just drinking beer on the 16th green.

3:09:06It was a blast, dude. So much fun. That'd be a good person just to happen to. Hey, don't have a phone. Can't really reach out to anybody. Have no contact to the outside world. Who would you like to run into at this moment to maybe make it better? Shane Gillis. Because I assume the president showed up there a couple different times during the conversation. I mean, you know, it is. It was crazy, dude. It was awesome. A never-ending supplier. The whole crew. It was all of them. It was insane. I had my high school buddies. He had his buddies. And we just sat down. Ryan Fitzpatrick had reserved like 15 chairs for us at the 16th green.

3:09:39We all just sat down. And somebody would run and grab beers every 10 minutes. And we just had beers. And we're watching the greatest finale of a Masters in a long time. Fitzmagic. That sounds awesome. Fitzmagic has enough pool to be able to pull 16 chairs at the Masters at Augusta? Harvard. Fitzmagic. runs Augusta. He, but, but it's because of hard work. He wakes up at 5am, grabs all the chairs and everything. Cause you're only allowed to have, you have to buy the chairs from there. You can't bring in any other chairs. So they go in the first day, they get there super early, buy all these chairs, set them up at the different greens.

3:10:13And then every morning you have to do it again. So he takes, it's like his son, it's his buddies and everybody at 5am, they wake up, they go stand at the gates. And as soon as they open the gates, you're not allowed to run. you speed walk he speed walks his way to all the different areas and puts chairs down for everybody so every day i had a chair thanks to fitz thank you fitz what a weapon hero good man that's awesome and he's got all those kids yeah so he's got like six different holes covered just with the fitzes exactly yes i didn't know that was how that worked like a a pool at a resort yeah beach space at a resort i didn't know that's how it works gotta be a good speed walker and know where to go.

3:10:53You can't, especially on a golf course, you're fucking around, you're not sure where you're supposed to go. All of a sudden, you're just in the fucking bushes. He knows exactly where to put him. They don't hit the 16th hole. The first golfers don't even hit the 16th hole until like noon or 1 o 'clock. So you're there from 6 a.m. all the way through the day. He just goes and sits and has some breakfast, talks to people. He's the mayor of that place. It's awesome. That's amazing to hear. Fitz, keep doing it, brother. That waxing he got after the last Thursday, or second to last Thursday at football, that was tough.

3:11:26That looked like real pain. Yeah. Because he's got a grizzly bear like that. He's got taco meat. And he did go to Harvard, so he kind of got the Augusta connection, I assume, all over the place. Are you a member there? You got a green jacket? No. No. I played it. No, I'm not a member. You would not be allowed to tell us if you were anyways. I feel like that's one of the things. You're a member? You can't say you're a member? I think some people we find out are members, but I think it is a pretty big, like, hey, don't talk about Augusta. Fight club. Wow. Don't you think, J.J.? Or is that not what you're saying?

3:11:57I feel like we know who a lot of the members are. I feel like they're almost, like, announced. Like, we know Peyton's a member. Condoleezza. I know Condoleezza Rice is a member. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely knew that. You definitely knew that? No. The no phones, no, like, it is, it's such a cool experience. It's such a throwback to like the old days where everybody's just locked in together. Nobody's distracted. It's so cool. Yeah, it's cool human moments. Speaking of cool human moments, who are some known members? Well, the list is private. Okay, so it's just not. So, okay. Yeah, no one fucking knows.

3:12:32Okay, you know, that's what somebody who's in it would say. Yeah, we all know who's all in it. Okay. Then they got those underground tunnels that they go and build the trees in. Astats. Ass, what's that? Like ass tats. Like everyone's got a cool master's ass tat. And it's like, you remember? Oh, maybe they get branded. Branded. Ty, you've done that before? I have. How was that? Not great. I wouldn't recommend anyone do that. At least in the way we did it. Which was kind of just ragtag, throw it together. We're going to fucking heat this thing up really hot and just hold it on your leg. And then hopefully it doesn't get infected, you know.

3:13:08Banded? It did. It certainly did. It did? I thought it did. I thought we had a pretty good run. No, no. What? It got infected real good. It was a random draw. You know how that thing goes. He ended up getting branded, and it was... No way. Is it still there? You got a scar there? No, because we didn't do a great job with it, so it didn't... Just a vicious burn. It was just a super hot thing poking. Yeah, just a super hot piece of metal just kind of right there on the... On the thigh. Yep. Yeah, contact. You know, it's kind of how... Hold on, go back in. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. And then that moment led to, we're never doing that again.

3:13:47Yeah. What? It was a random draw. It was a long time ago. It was a random draw. That was real nervous. There was real anxiety in there on who was going to get it. And then Ty. Not for me. Yeah, Ty knew he was going to get it. Yeah. It was very. Was that the feeling? Oh, yeah. Knew from the time we kind of mentioned that this was going to happen. I was like, yep, that's going to be me. A thousand percent. It was. I knew. It was a credit card roulette. I forget how we exactly did it. Did we do it with the numbers? Yeah, I don't remember. Because I just knew, like, this doesn't matter. It's going to be me.

3:14:18There was other things, too, that you could have potentially won or lost. It was a bevy of events, you know, that you could potentially randomly be selected for. Speaking of, how'd the ticket thing go? Do we assume that a lot of people got that right, right? We assume that a lot of people got that right. A ton got it right. Do you know why they got it right? Because everyone just kept fucking yelling at it. Bingo. That's part of the problem. That's why these shows go three hours, 18 minutes, maybe four hours. in total because we got to figure things out live on air. Because off air, didn't we all decide we weren't going to do it?

3:14:47Yes. Multiple times. AJ, as soon as he gets... AQ Shipley points at it. It's right below me right here. It's another word live. It's another one. Tomorrow, we got to be better with that. Okay. Yeah, we will. Tomorrow, we're going to have a good contest, James. Ladies and gentlemen. It's going to be. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to send you out of here. I know. I know. I just fucked it up. I'm angry at myself. My wife just walked past with food. I bet it smells good. So good was it a sandwich or like chips or something? I don't know. It was a bag. It was a bag from DoorDash. I don't even know.

3:15:25Could be anything. I don't even care what it is. Probably gone. Alright, good luck out there. Ladies and gentlemen, it's future first ballot hall fan with JJ Watt. Yeah, JJ! That was pretty good stamina on it, JJ. And you guys. When he came in here, it was a four hour show. He's been to the deep waters. Oh, yeah. I don't know why he's crying like that. Let's get back some good days, Ellie. It's too bad. He's going to miss his team. He's going to be bummed out. Call him back. Don't call him back. Don't call him back. The fourth quarter. He's not picking up. Finish the strong. You look at his squad.

3:15:55This is the reason why on a lot of our lists, this is the best coverage unit. Talk about finishing games. His passer rating allowed in coverage in the fourth quarter this season, including last week in the playoffs. You see the list here. and Kalen Bullock, or Bullock as they called him on the program during the game. I'm not sure how you pronounce his last name. I'm going to call him Bullock. He finished the game here in quarters. They're a typical coverage that they like to sit in. Aaron Rodgers dropped back right to number two in his chest. A little pre-snap disguise, but he drops back to it, picks it off, and you heard D 'Amico when he was miked up.

3:16:28Score, score, score, score. This would have been his second pick six of the season. He had one against, I forget the team, but it was a block in the back during the return on primetime. and this is another one for this Houston-Texas defense. The game was obviously over, but this was another nail in the coffin from Kalen, who his second year, and I said it early in the program, this is the best free safety for my pick in the National Football League this season. How come Dan Orlovsky said he got attacked the safeties of the Texans and also the effort from the Steelers, how do we feel about it? Well, effort was tough.

3:16:58I mean, A-Rod is an old man, but he tried to get in there. He tried to save the touchdown and just got kind of thrown by. And, yeah, when you're playing these great defenses, is just like playing great quarterbacks. Like, great quarterbacks, some of them will give you two, maybe three opportunities to intercept them and you better take advantage of. Same thing with a defense, especially a defense when you know what they're going to be lined up in. Like, the old Seattle Legion of Boom, you know what type of defense they're going to be lined up in. You know how you can attack it. They know as well, but you better hit it.

3:17:27We all have seen quarters be beat different times throughout the year. So you got to pick your spots and you better hit them. They did not. And when they hit their spots, they're definitely going to hit them. God, the Texans. Yeah, they're a tough squad. They're a tough squad. Hey, so are the Patriots, though, huh? I don't know. Not like Houston, man. This is the divisional round. Everybody's good, man. Everybody's great. Everybody is good. I feel very good. I'm happy to hear that. Good for you guys up there at the Patriots. All right, we got more good D. We got – we're now to the bad D now. Oh, no.

3:17:55What do you say? This game started off – this is how a lot of these Bears games, especially Bears-Packers games, they always come down to the end this year. And to start off this game, they were in a screen, I believe, to Luther Burton. To this same side of the field, he picked up maybe 11, 12 yards. Yes, the clip that's kind of been going around with Trevon Diggs of his lone snap that he took in the game. Picked up some, and they came back to the same look later in the game. Tight ends out here, probably going to be a wide receiver screen. Nope, they go wide receiver screen and go. So those eyes, you got caught up with DJ Moore thinking he was coming out to block you.

3:18:29He just went right down the field. DJ Moore has kind of been their closer for the Bears down the stretch. And it's another great play design. You talk about being in play design and creating some defined throws for quarterbacks. This was one of those that Ben Johnson created for Caleb, and he made the throw. And we talked about this DJ Moore catch kind of right there on his face mask. Wide open. I feel like those are the toughest catches to make. And obviously he made it in a big-time situation. Caleb's good. Is he great yet, AQ? He's getting there. I think he's gaining the trust more and more and more from not only all of us analysts, but I think also Ben Johnson.

3:19:02I think you're starting to see them do more. You're starting to see all the checks. I think he's getting there. He's starting to look pretty good. Because you were kind of a hater there. I was a hater for the first five weeks, just like everybody else. And then even there was moments through the final seven, eight weeks of the season where it's like, okay, there's some good, there's some bad. Now all of a sudden, it's becoming pretty consistent. The first three quarters, they didn't do really much. Fourth quarter, he just goes crazy. Yeah. I mean, he goes crazy in the fourth quarter. Imagine if he hits a third, second, third, fourth quarter run at some point in a game.

3:19:35It's going to be a little different story, I think, you know? Don't you? What you were shaking your head about, Ty? Well, no. I mean, it's just like he played well when it mattered, but he had a pick in the red zone. He threw another bad pick earlier on fourth down. They had a bunch of fourth downs where they went forward and didn't get it. And unfortunately, the Packers offense shit the bed so much they went three and out on their first four possessions. and so the defense was out there pretty much the entire second half. So you could kind of – like when you were watching it, you're like, oh, okay, like the defense is exhausted.

3:20:01Caleb's going to start kind of – you know, and then on top of it, obviously Ben Johnson in certain situations seems like he always has the perfect play dialed up. So, yeah, I mean, there's really not much you can argue because he might not play great the whole game, but when it fucking matters, he does play great. Yeah, and you guys just leave everybody wide ass open. That's kind of been Caleb's thing. And even coming into his NFL career, most people would say, I think Bill said it. I know I said it on the draft spectacular. Like, the thing about him is going to be hitting those singles and doubles.

3:20:29Can he hit the open guy in the middle? Can he hit the open guy in the flat? I think he was in the bottom of the league with starting quarterbacks with completion percentage. But late in games, all season long, he has played his best football, to your point. And that fourth down throw that he made in this game, going to his left, probably the best throw in Bears history with the situation involved and the throw that he made, I believe it was Teron Madunze going to his left. One foot on the ground, it was unbelievable. But it's going to come down to him hitting the simple throws, and then that's when we'll see him in like a top five type conversation.

3:21:01This probably could have been on bad day too. What about if Micah's on the field though? Yeah. Like this is ridiculous. Yeah, this is an outrageous play. Fourth and eight. Was it fourth and three and they got a penalty? I forget. I believe they did. Yeah, right? Five-yard penalty after getting a fourth and three. So they just literally shoot themselves in the foot right before this. Because the ball went over his head. And then Caleb does Caleb's shit. Stay outside. Stay outside. I think he would have put that ball wherever. No, no, no. I mean Rashawn Gary down here. He gets chipped by the back.

3:21:29And then he peek inside. Caleb has a little area to escape. Coming in, that's the game plan. You know you're talking about that. When you play 18, this is a guy that's going to escape. You have to be disciplined in your pass rush lanes. Because as soon as he sees it, this is one of the things that everybody had a question about. Would it translate to this level? Could he do the same shit that he did at USC and Oklahoma on this level? And when you kind of lose discipline like that on your head, you can still see how close the guy got to him at his legs. And he made – I mean, this is an unbelievable individual effort by him and a great job by Rome.

3:22:02And he's only getting better. Only getting better. All right, let's go to the next bad D, shall we? Only getting better. We've kind of made mention of reverse passes and all this shit. This is a reverse pass, and we talk about it sometimes in the show, not just the scout report on the quarterbacks, but the other skill position. Hey, has this guy played quarterback before? Is he left-handed? Is he right-handed? I believe this is his second, Juwan Jennings' second touchdown pass in the postseason. We all saw the thing that was on the telecast. He was like a top five, I think, dual threat quarterback above like Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson in his class coming out of high school.

3:22:35This is a great play design. Looks like man-to-man coverage. You see Coop following his guy. and I believe Zach Bond, if you go back to the beginning, Zach Bond is responsible. Just pause it here. Zach Bond is responsible for Christian McCaffrey. See the corner out here on Kendrick Bourne? So you got him on one. You got Reed Blankenship on the tight end and then kind of once all this eye candy gets thrown off, everybody kind of gets confused. You lose your man. You throw the ball to Juwan Jennings. He takes a hell of a hit from Carter and it makes a great throw down the field to Christian McCaffrey to score a big-time touchdown and take the lead.

3:23:08I really like Jawan Jennings kind of just becoming his own guy here. You know, I can't wait. They're going to need him. He's what? Fingernails, the whole. Gross, I'm long. Yeah. Physical. Yes. Talk shit. I understand why he got punched. Shelby Harris said he's a dirtbag. Yeah, right. Isn't that like what this season has been for him? Now he's throwing touchdowns. What a year for Jawan Jennings. Yeah. What a year. And they're going to need him to continue. You know, losing Kittle. Obviously, Ricky's out. Their offense has been basically C-Mac, and it's going to come down to juice a tight end. And then Juwan Jennings has been a great receiver on the outside.

3:23:48So we'll see if he steps up. He had a great game this game, receiving the ball. And he'll be – they always say third and Juwan or third and Jennings, whatever they say to San Fran fans. He's been stepping up. We'll see if he continues to do so. Third and Juwan sounds sweet. I believe that's what it is. Third and Juwan or – yeah, I'm going to go with third and Juwan. I said it was better. It's like long. Yeah. last name though pretty cool third and jenny's yeah because it's a little i like that third and jennings is quicker third and jawan though does sound like long we'll get to the bottom of it that's journalism great stuff d buck oh yeah great work thank you thank you boys you guys too hey ton why don't you head out of hammer dad dad through his ears he's got a great hammer don show coming oh packed it's talked full especially with gumpy we had soccer on the show today he's gonna be all jack might have odds on the next stealers head coach you know oh he already knows yeah steelhouse what's up shula and she has that's the dream team are you gonna call him stula and steelhouse or is it shula and steelhouse no respect to shula and steelhouse he ain't going there he's gonna go finish his store he's the chosen one He is the chosen one.

3:25:01I'm bringing shit house with him. They're also interviewing Minter and Flores, too. Flores? Flores? Flores back? Flores been in the building. Be your friend, tell him something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three. Anything to say, AQ? Divisional round. Con man's fired up. It's going to be one heck of a game. The games have not let us down yet. They won't this weekend, either. There we go. Yes. Yes. We love you all. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye.