PMS 2.0 1490 - The Indiana Hoosiers Win the National Championship, Dan Orlovsky, Bruce Arians, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

22:05He didn't have another threat in the flat. He just continued to sink back, have his eyes on the quarterback, and then go up and high point it and get the interception. I'm sure, Beck, you know, obviously you hate this. This is the biggest moment. This is 40 seconds on the clock. Was this first down? I believe first down. So you had other opportunities and you just threw it up there. I think Keelan took the blame for it after the game, which, you know, a good teammate will.

22:26Pat McAfee:He thought he was running a distraction route right there. He goes all the way out to the sideline. Let me get these guys as far away from the play as possible. Yeah, you can see his helmet on the other angle kind of from behind him. You can just see his helmet not even looking back at the quarterback but looking at the safety. So once again, once you see that, you're like, this ball's not coming to me. I got two guys on me. Somebody else has to be open. So it was a bad read. You know, it was a bad throw, but it happens in this moment. There were other opportunities for Miami to win this game.

22:53And it just comes down to making plays, and Indiana made more plays.

22:56Pat McAfee:Carson Beck, by the way, for MII stock up. That obviously not a good play, and I think he wanted to throw it to Marion. Marion made a lot of plays for him. Not that Malachi Tony hadn't, CJ Daniels hadn't, Alex Bauman, number 87. Yep, yeah. He gets thumped. Cool. He might have his own highlight reel of taking monster hits throughout the season. You know, he's wearing 87. He's a massive white tight end. So you immediately think to yourself, oh, Gronkowski, right? Because that's just how it's going to go forever. And then you remember about Gronk. What was Gronk's thing? Well, because he was so big, he took so many big shots.

23:31Pat McAfee:It was like that's why he had some back issues coming out. And that's why, like, you know, when he was playing, he's the most dominant guy on a football field. but he was taking huge shots every single, let alone people trying to saw off his knees, everything. It's like that Bauman guy, every time we saw him around the ball, he was getting thumped. That hit from pawns on him, 170-pounder to dislodge the ball. What a shot by him. But on that note, I think Carson made up his mind, I'm going to Marion here, deep shot on this particular play. Because if it's incomplete, cool, we've still got a couple more shots at this thing.

24:03Pat McAfee:Let's go ahead and try to steal it. Obviously, it doesn't work out because of a miscommunication. almost like Caleb and DJ Morel on how the game would end there. But on that note, it's like I like what Carson Beck showed. I think Carson Beck showed a lot of fight. I think Carson Beck was a good teammate. I think Carson Beck in the big moments throughout the entirety of the college football playoff rose to the occasion. It's like I was very impressed with that Miami team. I thought Indiana was going to cover for sure. The fact that everybody else saw him game day thought it was Miami was crazy to me.

24:33Pat McAfee:Weird. I was very like, I'm like, you guys doing this for a bit. I didn't know if there was a bit that I missed.

24:37Darius Butler:I figured Dez, because he lives there, right? Yeah, Dez, I figured Miami lives in Coral Gables. He's been on them heavy. And Coach Saban, he's been on Miami, too. He kind of said, hey, if they got into the dance, they got into the playoffs, this would probably be the most dangerous team that they're Miami being on the run that they had. The physicality, too. We watched Miami the whole run. Like, them in the trenches, their size and how physical they were, I thought that could have definitely been the difference in the game. But, like, the job that Sig has done, Coach Cignetti, Like this is, and this isn't, I don't think a crazy statement.

25:08This is the best coaching job I've ever seen in college football, probably in sports. Not only the turnaround, you talk about the talent evaluation part of it, which is huge, but then the game management part of it. And you can see it. We always are on the field so we can see what's going on kind of in between the TV timeouts and stuff. Like he lets his guys coach. Like he sets the tone and obviously he runs the show and I don't know what's going on in practices, but he lets his guys coach. He lets his guys step up in those situations. So just everything that he's been able to do, like, it's going to be unbelievable.

25:38And you got to take advantage of the opportunity that you get when you reach this stage. Because we all assume we see great teams, great coaches, great quarterbacks. You know, oh, they'll be back. You know, they'll have another opportunity. They'll win two. They'll win three. A lot of people say Ohio State was just going to run it back this year because of the talent they had all up and down that roster. So you got to take advantage. You can't live in your fears in these moments. And now he is the best leader of men that I've seen this year throughout the season. They deserved, you know, the 16-0.

26:02Just an unbelievable job from top to bottom with this program. He's supposed to be a football coach.

26:06Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. That is what he's supposed to be. In this era, he's supposed to be a football coach. Go ahead, Tom.

26:10Darius Butler:We talk about how much of a movie this is and the ties between Miami and this IU team with Mendoza. Jamari Sharp, who got the last interception, his uncle, Glenn Sharp, was the one who got called for the P.I. in the Ohio State game. Ohio State, Miami, Natty. So, like, just the ties and everything that goes into this was just insane all around. Storybook. Storybook, yes, very much so.

26:34Pat McAfee:Yeah, and Sharp thought about not taking his helmet off. Thought about it like Tuesday because that was right in front of us. So I literally saw the contemplation in his eyes. Not supposed to take this off. Just won the National Championship in Miami. Let me go ahead and pop that thing off. It's me. This is what this was. Immediate, obviously, flag flies half the distance to it all. Sit going on the sideline, I think, is like, we won the National Championship. You can't do that. but also it's awesome. And yeah, it was a special night. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who had a special day on the internet yesterday.

27:08Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, he is the ball knower for ESPN, former NFL quarterback, friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Dan O. Dan O, family forever. Obviously, love what you're wrapping up there. Also, good to see you whole. You know what I mean? Good to see you whole because yesterday I saw you put out a tweet and it was pretty depressing, I'm going to be honest. this app we're breaking man and I'm in the middle of I don't know what time you put that out it could have been any time of the day yesterday was all one big blur but I remember I was scrolling my phone looking for things you know what's going on in Bloomington what's watch parties just for me to use maybe in game day and I see this tweet and I go come on Dan I don't need this dramatic bullshit so then I searched Dan Orlovsky on X I could see how it could potentially break you you were really getting it on the shins brother Is everything all right?

28:00Pat McAfee:Are we okay? How do we feel? Long day on the internet. Long day on the internet. Are you back in the batter's box or what do we do? Shake it off? Shake it off? I'm here. Absolutely. Yeah. Who hates you? New day. How do Indiana fans feel about you? Have you been on Indiana? You know, or have you been against it? No, I picked Indiana. Yeah, yeah. I feel like the Indiana fans, I got support from the Indiana fans. The people who hate me the most right now, I believe, are anyone from New England. Yes. Mainly the Irish, I would imagine. I believe people from Baltimore have hated me for well over a year.

28:39I think the people in Chicago dislike me pretty significantly. So I've got some groups of people who hate me right now.

28:47Pat McAfee:Okay, so obviously you earned these things. So groups of people. I don't know about that. Yes, you did. Probably. Shut up. You know you did from New England. Yeah, there you go. That's an Irish from the New England. And it's not just Irish, by the way. Okay. Okay, the Italians I know don't like them. Basically, everybody in New England doesn't like them. It's not just all Irish guys. I think that's probably fair. What did you do? What did you do to New England? What did you do up there? Well, what happened, this is the chain of events. So, for the great majority of this season, I have spoke glowingly about the Patriots, mainly the offense.

29:26Don't do this whole thing. Just say what you did yesterday, Dan. We don't have to go all the way back, though. It's just what you did yesterday.

29:33Pat McAfee:You are. I'm sorry. Yesterday. Okay. And so then going into the game, I truly felt that Houston, because of their defense, would go there and win. They don't. I think a huge part of that reason why, even though the defense was outstanding, was, you know, the play of CJ. CJ just was bad. I mean, there's no other way for me to categorize it. And bad in ways that we just haven't seen CJ be bad. Certainly a guy of his caliber. And so yesterday on Get Up, I said, Houston wins that game with 31 other quarterbacks. And that, I think a lot of the Patriots fans took this as a shot to New England. It wasn't intended to be that.

30:21It was more to put the context of like, listen.

30:25Darius Butler:Shout out CJ. And even while I'm saying it, Pat, I go, and credit New England. They made crucial plays in big moments. Drake had some big time throws. But I think Patriots fans took it as a slight to being like, oh, nothing to Patriots did matter. No, of course it did. It was just to put in the context of surprisingly how bad CJ played and how much he hurt the team. And so it was probably a little aggressive. Yes, probably a little aggressive. like yeah you were a little bit you were a little bit but probably the better way for me to say it is cj stroud did the one thing cj stroud couldn't do right just give the ball to the other team um like that interception the first one that's on first down this interception that's on first down the one that goes off hutchinson's hands i'm not putting on cj this is not his fault i i can nitpick and say maybe get the ball down in his body sure and then the one right before the half it's on first down so three out of the four interceptions are on first down and they're just head scratching decisions and throws take away also the fact that they score a touchdown on third and goal but they don't get it because of a legal procedure because he sends the tight end in motion before the fullback is set they don't get it and it ends up the field goal so you sit there and i go yeah well that's a touchdown taken away pick six three points because of a field position so yeah Probably aggressive, but there was no intended slight to the Patriots.

31:53Obviously, the defense was very good, and the offense was – I thought Drake played good.

31:57Pat McAfee:Okay, so then the immediate follow-up is that wasn't a slight. I'm just saying if he didn't do this on first down and all this other stuff, and then the Patriots fans are saying what? You don't think Vrabel would have figured out the other quarterback if they were going into a playoff? You don't think that – Well, then everyone's like, well, we just beat Justin Herbert. And it's like, well, Herbert's defense didn't cause – I don't know how many fumbles. See, and this would be the mind of a hater here. Now you're trying to find reasons on why they're not good, which is what they probably sensed all season.

32:22Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, let's go to Baltimore now.

32:24Pat McAfee:What did you do to Baltimore? So you pissed off all in New England because you've been a hater and you didn't think they were going to be as good as they are. Yes, yes. Quick turnaround. Obviously, it surprised us all what Vrabel's been able to do. Drake May's a real guy. You can admit that. You're allowed to change that going forward. Excited to watch you. Now let's talk about Baltimore. Why do they hate you? Hate me. That's not a good city to be hated in. I don't think Baltimore's a good city to be hated in. just because they're very passionate, great shit talkers. And I watched The Wire. Yeah, big go.

32:51Pat McAfee:And I just don't know. I have not. Smart. I have not seen The Wire. Watch that later if you make up with them. What's going on? Amen. What did you do? Actually, I pondered going to the Morgan Wallen show in Baltimore this summer because it's not in New England. I don't. Interesting. That's an interesting. I don't know. I don't know how to feel. That's the right. I don't know. Baltimore, Texas. I genuinely don't know what the right answer is here. Okay, on that note, why do they hate you down in Baltimore? I believe they hate me because I voted for Josh to win the MVP last year, and everyone thinks that when Lamar loses, I say Lamar stinks, and when Josh loses, I make excuses for Josh, which is not factually accurate.

33:36Darius Butler:Oh, that's one of your guys' things on ESPN. You know, we're currently on ESPN. A thousand percent true. I said that. It's literally not true. It's just made up. It's 100 % made up.

33:47Pat McAfee:Okay, 100 % seems like a pretty high number, like you just or Lovsky did. No, it's 100 % made up that I'm, like, hypercritical of Lamar. I'm not. Lamar lost in the playoffs last year, and I was one of the people who was like, I can't pin this on Lamar, even though he has the two turnovers. I'm like, one of those turnovers are plays that Lamar, 49 out of 50 times, makes something great out of. And so I have nothing but love for Lamar. I voted for the wall the year before an MVP. Dan, when the Bills got beat this weekend, all you were doing was bitching about the officiating. Yeah, and were you kicked out of your X account?

34:22Pat McAfee:Was it not working? Like, what was happening? I didn't see anything coming up whenever Josh Allen was there. I honestly, I don't, I didn't talk about the Bills game much yesterday. We didn't talk about it because the McDermott firing. Yeah, but during the game. That's another reason people from Baltimore were mad, by the way. During the game? Yeah. During the game. What'd you say, Connor? Well, there's a lot of things to address here, it seems People were mad about the fodder around the McDermott firing because the reasoning was, hey, if you don't win enough, you got to make a change. Yeah, there it is.

34:51Results-based business. I understand the move. And then the Harbaugh firing, Orlovsky said kind of the opposite thing. Like, I don't understand how you could do anything like this at all. My gosh, dude, this is my world right now. One happens in real time, which is the McDermott firing. That's what happened. One, Harbaugh happened not in real time. It was hours after we commented on. I literally said the same thing on NFL Live about the McDermott firing that I said about the Harbaugh firing. Is it the right decision? No, because I have no idea what the next answer is. I have no idea who that next coach is going to be and how good he'll be.

35:31Two, you're not going to find a better coach than Sean McDermott on the market right now outside of Mike Tomlin. We know he's not coaching. I said the same thing about Harbaugh. Just people make stuff up.

35:39Pat McAfee:Okay, so thank you for clearing the air there. I don't know if people are going to believe you. Maybe you should rip the clips and post them. You're very active on X, except for whenever the guys you like and put the damn wagon on are playing bad, which is what some people have kind of noticed as well. But, hey, you're trying to back your thoughts. It's your business. I mean, your thoughts are your business. Your opinions are your business. I understand you've got to stand by them. And then let's go to Chicago. What did you do to them? I think Chicago people hate me. I don't know necessarily the why.

36:08I guess I said because it was going to take some time for Caleb to master Ben Johnson's offense. And I know if it was going to be the perfect match, still stand by that. Obviously, the match has worked out, but I don't believe he's mastered the offense yet. No, but I think just because of that.

36:25Pat McAfee:So you're holding the line with the – you're in a three-front war right now. You think – I think it's probably more – there's probably little militias all around that are certainly ready to get in. But you're holding the line. You're holding the line against Chicago. You're saying, nah, I don't deserve this one here. Okay, I'm going to go to battle here. New England? Okay, man. I could get the New England one. I could get it. I could understand it. Yeah, and from Connecticut, you kind of understand the humans up there. You're probably doing a little bit. It's like whenever I talk about soccer.

36:50Pat McAfee:I grew up in the soccer world. Very easy. You guys run a farm league over there in France, don't you? The entire country now is upset about me, some stupid American talking about their league. I feel like you do that to New England because you potentially enjoy it. And then for Baltimore, I'll tell you what, I think you get on their bad side. That's forever. That seems like it's a town. Well, let's go to that Morgan Wallen show. Yeah, get a microphone. I think I'm going to look into the show in India and Pittsburgh. Yeah. Yeah. There's probably some other cities, too. I don't know. Boston. Indy is pretty good.

37:26Pat McAfee:Yeah. All right. Let's move along. Let's talk about current ball. Last night, we watched the Indiana Hoosiers do something that is maybe the best lower third we've ever had. This is on in airports everywhere. People are traveling back from the game. People are doing everything. It's on cafes. This thing popped up while you were explaining your first war. Who controls that? Who controls that? Is that Foxy? No, that's Nick in the back. Yeah, it's Nick in the back. Nick, you're the best place. Hi, Dan. Good to see you. Yeah, great to see you, man. He does the audio in the lower thirds. So if he wants to mute you, he can certainly do that.

37:57Pat McAfee:and then what pops up on the lower thirds is out of his brain. And I appreciate the creative liberty you took on this particular one. You got a big pop out of me for sure. You know, that's just supposed to keep people informed on what the subject is. So if they were to pop in a little bit late, what we're talking about here. Or if you're walking through an airport or a cafe and you see the screen, the lower third and the graphics are the only thing that these people know from this show. Yeah, there's probably a couple of people stopping and being like, yep, me too. Piss everyone off. Finally, ESPN is telling the truth.

38:24Pat McAfee:And then they move forward. Now, I said something to Robin Roberts yesterday whenever Reese said to Robin. She said, oh, Reese said, my old SportsCenter co-host used to do it back in the day. Robin was like, those were good times. And I was like, that was back when ESPN was good. You know, I said that on game day. Just, I mean, clearly something I would say in the moment. And everybody's like, Pat just takes shots at ESPN. It's like, I think I'm on ESPN more than any human at this point. I think I am on ESPN more. That was a shot directly at everybody saying ESPN is terrible now because of us.

38:54Pat McAfee:and everybody was like, McAfee just killed everybody at ESPN. It's like, no, that was me saying, this is what people say about what we've done to sports as a whole. But also, I guess, Dan Orlovsky is done too. So when we have this thing down here, Robin Roberts is like, I fucking built this place for what? For Orlovsky to start a war in three different cities with 15 different militias? That's why Reese and Robin doing SportsCenter, that was back when ESPN was good. And we're both to blame for that, Dan. I think you a little bit more than me, even though I get lumped in all those things. But I do appreciate that you hop into batter's box.

39:31Pat McAfee:And once again, I would like to let people know, his opinions are his business, though. So he's certainly going to want his opinions to be right and be good. So everybody's like, oh, he's just trying to justify himself. It's like, but that's his entire job. I hate when I'm wrong. I literally hate it. I hate it more than I can express in words. You love when you're right. God, you love when you're right, though, don't you? No doubt. You remember when I said this? And it's like, Dan, how many other things you say that? I don't know. And I do remember. I don't know if you remember this. All right, let's talk about last night.

40:02Pat McAfee:Congrats to the Hoosiers. We're incredibly pumped to be in Indiana. At the time, the Indiana Hoosiers football team is having a movie-like, once-in-a-lifetime, historic generational type, rebuild and run. On that note, the quarterback felt perfect for the head coach. Go ahead, Tone.

40:17Darius Butler:Yeah, Dan, he did. And we have now seen Fernando three straight games with our own eyes, and we've watched every single throw, not only on the field, but also on the sideline when he is warming up. And the ball is never not a perfect spiral. And we've seen him make every throw. We've seen outs from the far hash. We've seen deep balls at Charlie Becker, in routes, quick routes, whatever. Now, there's a lot of people. We think Mendoza's a guy. Like, that is what this show thinks. But there's a lot of people out there who say he shouldn't be the number one overall pick or he'd be the worst number one overall pick for a quarterback in a while.

40:52Darius Butler:A lot of people, just because they run so much RPO, are downgrading him for that, even though he does not call the plays. So I don't know if you hold that against him as well. But what are your thoughts as a pro for Mendoza? Yeah, I thought it was the most impressive game of his college career for me when it comes to how he handled struggle. It wasn't flawless. It wasn't as easy or as dominant as it's been. And this game was a little bit more representative of what life is like for quarterbacks in the NFL. It's not just the easy process of you're up 21-0 and you can kind of coast. There was pressure.

41:31There was huge pivotal moments. There was having to make tough decisions or tough throws with the football. It was getting beat up physically. And then obviously moments of having to be clutch and being at his absolute best when it was needed the most. And I think that would be the biggest takeaway. You know, I saw a video on the internet pregame. I believe it was Mark Davis and Brady down there on the field. And I would just have to imagine. Go ahead.

41:55Pat McAfee:Spy tech was there as well. I think it was Brady, Mark, spy tech. I think it was the entire press. I would have to imagine just knowing a little bit about Tom. Like I would imagine Tom was just watching all of the stuff most intently outside of the actual play. of how he dealt with the good stuff, how he dealt with the bad stuff, what was his interaction with teammates, how he handled third downs, what was he like in the huddle, what was he like on the sideline, what was he like coming out of the huddle on that fourth and five when he back shoulders Becker, just watching the body language and the mannerism, I think he had to fall in love with.

42:33And listen, there's something to be said for competitive fire. Obviously, the young man's talented. He's athletic. He's big. He's tall. He can spin it. But there is something about this unique, rare, competitive fire that he has that allows him to be his best when it's needed the most. So I haven't studied these guys intently like I will as we lead up into the draft. But I think last night has to make you, if you were a little bit of a doubter, it has to make you look at him differently just because the way the game went.

43:04Pat McAfee:Dan I think when you watch the film it's only gonna this dude's 6 '5", 230 so that's a whole other element and he can run and you talk about his competitive fire, dude's a nerd this dude is a nerd too he's a psychopath it seems like and he's out at 11 with the boys too having beers the guy is seemingly he's a football nerd which is what we want he loves the sport loves showcasing that he loves the sport In the Big Ten game, first play of the game, Caden Curry, he gets up-ended, launching here, has the moment where all the air leaves his body. Thought maybe he had a fractured ribs. He leaves for the game.

43:49Pat McAfee:People think it's over for him, potentially. This guy's done for the game. Then he puts the helmet back on, comes jogging out, and then he tells us, no lie, he cracked me pretty good. No pause. I mean, that guy got me pretty good, but that's football. I like getting back up there. He takes pride in all the things that you would want your starting quarterback to take pride in. Hey, I have a relationship with my entire team. Hey, I want to be tough. Hey, I want to know everything the defense is doing. And oh yeah, his arm talent is elite. It's like, I think he's generational, personally, from watching him.

44:19Pat McAfee:I think he's a generational quarterback. And Tom Brady, what did Tom Brady say whenever he sprinted down to the end zone before the games? What did he scream? He said, let's fudging go. Okay, what did old Buddy say last night on the microphone? fernando uh he actually did drop a hard let's fucking go boys yeah and who was that lfg is what tom's thing yeah it's like i mean you're talking about like tom probably sees a lot of himself i assume in mendoza whenever he watches him guy committed to ball addicted to ball yeah but then also the other qualities that tom doesn't have it's like this guy's a super nerd like he is a like that is who he is as a person it's like he's a weapon i'm very very and obviously the toughness is always on display it's like i i think he's generational dan i legitimately yeah yeah i i don't disagree and i think like when you watch the more the thing the more you study the tape but the thing that really stood out in the playoff front it's kind of my favorite quality that a quarterback can have or one of them is how fast their eyes are i thought his eyes were just crazy fast last night without you know getting out of control we have some quarterbacks that you know they kind of see so many different things they're all over the place but his eyes are quick repetition, understanding, processing.

45:33So that's going to be a huge thing. I'll touch on Tone's question about the RPOs. Quarterbacks just run RPOs nowadays. Cam Ward ran a ton at Miami. He was the number one pick. Jackson Dart ran a ton at Ole Miss. I think you're still reading defenders. Now, if he didn't have these back shoulder, down the field throws that require great timing, great trajectory and type of throw and then placement, and then obviously just that that run is competitiveness so um yeah i'm a fan i'd also say this you kind of have to have a couple screws loose to be the number one pick and start to flip a bad franchise you can't be like everybody else the guy that was you know the closest to doing it in a short period of time is a guy that we just know has a couple screws loose and baker i mean just he's got he's he's wired differently i think this guy's got relatively unique wiring and if you're going to go to the Raiders and get the Raiders good in a decent amount of time, you got to have just a couple screws or you got to be a little bit off because there's got to be a little bit of psychopath in you.

46:37Pat McAfee:The boys would immediately say Joe Burrow as well would be a great reference. Totally. Because also personalities. Yes. Yeah. You know, it is like I really like Fernando. I really like. And then his story with his mom, with MS. It's like everything about him is like this guy. Should he be president too? I don't fully comprehend. loves ball teammates love him which is sweet good luck to all of them now we got a couple new head coaches go ahead d bud yeah dan oh we had 10 head coach openings now four have been filled with hardball stefanski halfley and uh robert salah now what's your favorite hire that has happened and then what is the next hire that you see or that you will want to see for a team and a head coach i think my favorite hire is harbaugh to the giants just because it brings them idiot immediate expectations uh a different culture overnight you know the giants before they hire coach harbaugh where it was a losing culture it was a losing organization the minute they hire coach harbaugh it automatically goes to well it's now a winning culture at least a guy that's running the place now is in his blood winning and then two the expectations are they'll be competitive next year i don't think that's a far-fetched either and so um i love that hire i love the The fact that he's got a young quarterback that, you know, obviously certainly not in the talent level that Lamar Jackson had, but he's got the experience of having a young, dynamic playmaking quarterback that you can kind of build around and try to win with.

48:05I still want to see who the offensive coordinator is because that's going to be a huge part. Todd Monken's name has been thrown around, but, you know, we'll find out. But I love that. I think the second one is Kevin Stefanski. I have said this about Atlanta. I think Kevin Stefanski, if Kirk Cousins is there, they win 11 games next year. It's a very good offensive line. Offensively, they're as talented as the top 10 teams in the league. They've got a back, Bajon, that is as talented as anyone, young defensive studs, pass rushers. And so I think Kevin Stefanski going to Atlanta is perfect. There is a question mark at quarterback.

48:41Michael Penix won because of the lack of really development and then also the injury. You can't go into next year just thinking it's Penix. We'll see how healthy he is to even get into the conversation. I would imagine there'll be a player for Kirk because it sounds like Kirk restructured his contract. They'll cut him, all that stuff. Shoot, I would tell you that they would be a prime place for me to see if they could trade for Mac Jones out of San Francisco. But we'll kind of see what the move at quarterback is. But I do like Stefanski there.

49:11Pat McAfee:Maybe Mac Jones wins back Atlanta a little bit. that was maybe turned off by the decision to bring Stefanski in there, which leads me to this question. So we just think the Deshaun Watson deal was the reason why Stefanski couldn't win in Cleveland or like Cleveland notoriously sucks. They get a quarterback that wins him a playoff game. Stefanski was a part of running him out of town, right? Basically didn't get along with him. And then he doesn't win. And then he gets a head coaching gig two days after he's fired from being a failed head coach at Cleveland. So everybody just kind of puts it on Andrew Barry.

49:44Pat McAfee:Haslam, and a bad Deshaun Watson deal? Because then we see Sean Payton eating$700 million in cap space and hosting the AFC championship game. So I think a lot of people are confused on how Stefanski's automatically just given a pass as if he's a good head coach. That was kind of the surprise to me. I'm like, Stefanski is all of a sudden a guy we definitely want. Well, there's no other coaches out there. It's like, well, we know what he is. Do we not or do we not know what he is? So you think people are just blaming Cleveland for that one as a whole? maybe even the city the lake and everything like that or or why do you think like we've been over this i don't need more enemies i don't need more cities that hate me i'll say it stinks cleveland could yeah uh i think he's a good coach i think when he's got competent quarterback play he's won i think when he had baker and joe i think the record was like 26 and 16 something like that and then everyone's like well what he ran baker out of town man baker had a terrible shoulder and he had him throw it, what, 75 times or whatever.

50:40Kept taking Chubb off the field.

50:41Pat McAfee:Chubb was the best running back in the game. And it's like, then he runs Baker Mayfield out of town. Then they end up in what, maybe not just him, maybe it was everybody. We don't know the behind-the-scenes story, but we do know that he threw the ball 60 times with Baker's shoulder publicly and clearly not good against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense. So, like, I think there was a lot of things like, this doesn't seem like the right move. And Cleveland stinks still. Miles Garrett got a lot of sacks there, so maybe Stefanski's bringing that down there. I don't know how that's immediately just, like, the right play.

51:12Pat McAfee:And I think a lot of people in Atlanta question the same thing. Stefanski coached the year before, so maybe there's a chance he has great success. And I'm not just saying he can't do it, but it's like, that guy just gets a head coaching job in the NFL. There's only 32 of these things. And, you know, it's just an interesting decision for me. And Sala going to Tennessee, I like that move, I think. I think I like that move for Sala. I do, too. I do, too. Yeah, I think Sala's a good coach. Who's going to be the offense coordinator? that's really the thing that matters the most we all it's like the giants harbs is a great hire will the success of the head coach in these places in new york and certainly in tennessee is going to be almost solely dependent upon who's the offensive coordinator and where do they take that young quarterback developmental wise um i don't know if it's going to be uh mike lafleur i don't know if it'll be um mike mcdaniel i don't know if it'll be matt naggy but i do know this cam ward is talented and cam ward had as many wow throws as any quarterback in football you can make the case certainly the young ones and i think this is a really interesting hire with robert sala who i believe is a good coach and you know had some stuff stacked against them in new york is the offensive coordinator tennessee cannot coach this special out of cam ward but has to get the sloppy out of him because there is some mechanical like, hey, dude, we can't always shoot the three-pointer.

52:37So there is some mechanical stuff that you want to clean up, but you can't coach the special out of him, and I think that's really important for the hire.

52:46Pat McAfee:I like Salah a lot. It looked like he found his smile again, which was good. And then what happened to the Jets after he left? I mean, he still don't have an interception. Nope. He still don't have an interception.

52:56Darius Butler:At least the defense was always good with him there. The offense was horrendous, but the defense was always good.

53:01Pat McAfee:And then the more stories we hear about behind the scenes, it's like, how did this guy? I don't know how you do anything there. So good luck to him. We're happy football is giving him another opportunity. Speaking of football giving another opportunity, a big one, Con Man. Yeah, Dano, I would love to hear your thoughts. Not really, but I am going to ask you about them. Well, here's an opportunity to be a hater. Yeah, here you go. Basically just giving you a tee ball. Sean Payton, Jared Stidham. I believe New England is 0-4 in the playoffs on the road at Denver. So there are a lot of things stacking up against a team that you hate more than anybody, the New England Patriots.

53:35What do you think Stidham and Sean Payton are cooking up right now? And what is kind of your confidence level in them? It feels like Stidham could also, you know, we're talking about Atlanta Falcons, he's got two games to maybe put on a show, perhaps be the quarterback of the future for a team. yeah um my wife just laughed at something you guys are on to the side while she's folding laundry so i don't know what she laughed at in regards to what you said but thank you um mrs orlovsky yeah boston connor said he hates you no he did not that is propaganda you can hear us

54:11Pat McAfee:right now he doesn't think that oh he's lying Dan Orlovsky, live for a first team. Open up, Dan Orlovsky. It's not fun to twist someone's words, huh? Wow, that's a lot of times. That is not a twist of words. It's a changing word. Bad guy. I like that. It's a joke. I was joking, babe. It's downright hard. I think. Won't be Orlovsky. Boo-hoo, Dano. Oh, no. He's down in the dumps, Dano. Good Lord. Oh, dumpy, Dano. Okay, sorry. Sorry. We'll stop. We didn't say that, and Connor didn't say that. Dan O in the O stands for ouch. Dan O in the O stands for oh, no. Dan O, no. You got some tough times? You guys done?

54:58Pat McAfee:We're running out of time. If you would like to answer this Stidham question, it's a pretty big deal with the AFC Championship, and you're distracting. Dan O. No, I think. Dan, go fuck yourself. Okay. How about that? That was a good one. Go. Go. Maybe Dan. No. He's laughing. We don't like it. Boom. Yeah, there's a lot of those. Yeah. Dan Frollo. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Yeah, all right. Sorry. All right, we don't have enough time for your answer. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, that was Dan Rolowski. That was Dan.

55:31Darius Butler:Dan O. Got to clear there. That was nice.

55:33Pat McAfee:Dan Dope, maybe. Yeah. There's a lot of opportunity there with that O sound. He has a three-front war he thinks going on. so that's interesting definitely more he left out a bunch of cities bill's mafia probably loves him though yeah i'd assume i assume they just don't kind of that's the issue though this is what i've learned um some of these fan bases if you support them the whole time like i think they just kind of feel like they don't have to really support you so that as soon as you go against other people they're attacking you but you the people that you've supported not really go into the battlefield field for you.

56:07Pat McAfee:So it's like, man, I'm not saying Bill's Mafia is doing that for Dan. Oh, no, I got no support. Dan, no support. I'm not saying that that's not. Dan, do you have any of these fans that you've Dan wagoned over the years going to bat for you? I'm still on. Shut up. So now, Dan. Oh, no, you're not. Okay, it's Dan Orlovsky. Thanks, Dan.

56:32Darius Butler:What are you doing? I'm doing more, Dan.

56:34Pat McAfee:Oh, I'm still on. What was he doing? Watching the show through his phone? We already know his wife's watching to the left. Dan, this is on you. This is your fault. This guy's a jackass. But just know that Dan, Dan, oh, and he always for oblivious that he's potentially offending people. Yeah. You know, he's just kind of, what? I didn't say that. You twisted my words. I didn't mean that, at least in my brain. And Dan's a sweet boy. But, boy, he's in the middle of it. Hour two on the other side.

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58:37Pat McAfee:Football! He's the greatest. And you know who the greatest college football team on earth is? Mmm. The Indiana Hoosiers. Hell yeah! Last night, the Indiana Hoosier football team representing the Big Ten Conference. The Big Ten becomes, I don't know how many conferences have done in the past. I'm going to say none. Three straight national championships with three different schools representing the Big Ten. Obviously, the SEC has not had representative in the national championship and obviously hasn't had a national champion winner. And if you listen to Coach Saban, that might not be changing for some time with the NIL and the transfer portal in the north having a lot of universities that have a lot of successful graduates who have a lot of money that would maybe like to see their sport do well, just like the Indiana Hoosiers have.

59:23Pat McAfee:806 ,000 active living alumni from Indiana University schools. Not all of them coming through Bloomington, but the IU school system that is across the board. They have a lot of people that are very excited that they can finally say, yeah, we have a football team. All they've ever been able to talk about is how cool Bloomington is. great town great college town i mean it is a phenomenal college town you know a couple success stories coming out of their basketball team being great little five is one of the greatest celebrations and one of the greatest days on any campus across the entire country throughout the year but now they get a chance to say yeah that's our school and then they also get to say oh yeah we're also doctors and lawyers and uh dentists and uh ceos cfos cmos like they have so many people that have been waiting for a moment to become loud about your Hoosier-ness.

1:00:18Pat McAfee:And they certainly have answered the bell. The alumni, the donors have answered it, and Kurt Signetti has taken a school with no hope to the promised land. And that's a beautiful thing that only sports can provide, and we're incredibly lucky that we're there and that we're in the sports world as a whole. Talks at tables here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt. Sweet hats today, boys. Thanks, man. Yeah, I just figured Rose Bowl is where it all started. for Indiana. On that note, Indiana Hoosiers are not just national champions. Also, Rose Bowl champions and Peach Bowl champions. And I think they have the best record against top five teams or something or top ten teams in the history of college football.

1:00:56Big ten champions.

1:00:56Pat McAfee:The Big Ten champions as well. I mean, they got all the banners. They literally got all the banners this year. So that's right. That is a good hat to kind of represent for the IU squad. Most wins without a loss versus AP Top Ten. There it is. This is the IU team getting in their 2019 LSU team. That was a good team. We don't need to be comparing teams, all right? Let's just let everybody enjoy their run. I said last night on game day, you know, I'm the newest person on game day. And I just looked around and said, just so matter of factly, wearing that blue jacket. I was like, tonight we might watch the greatest college football team in the history of college football play and win a national championship for the first time ever.

1:01:37Pat McAfee:The amount of looks I got, There was probably 14 different teams that popped into so many different heads there. But if they would have beat Miami by 30 or 40 points, I mean, it would have been hard not to put that college football playoff resume up against any – like, what are you talking about? Who are we even talking about? And then you go to the 2019 LSU team and you look at the final scores. I don't know how the games were because I think we were at the national championship whenever they played Clemson. At halftime, I think it was a game. I think Joe Burrow maybe fractured a rib or something like that.

1:02:05Pat McAfee:So I think in the second half, I think I remember Joe hitting a couple deep ones down the right side, and they end up turning that score around and winning by a lot. But I think it was close against Clemson at that point. But you look at the final scores of this 2019 LSU team, they would have certainly been like, okay, still, yeah, let's go ahead and still have that conversation. Nonetheless, Indiana, no five stars, no team three years ago. Now being talked about Mount Rushmore college football team, It's a beautiful thing that only sports can provide, honestly. And it's a cool thing that we got to witness from the sidelines.

1:02:39Yeah, unbelievable. And kind of cool just looking at that LSU team. Transfer portal kind of made them too. Without Joe Burrow. And think about where the transfer portal is now in 2025 versus where it was in 2019. And then probably lost on there is that Miami team. 2001. Bingo, yeah. That had all those. That'll never probably get thrown in that list just because you just play one game. And I just think of them as 35-year-old men.

1:03:04Pat McAfee:Exactly. Even whenever they're playing. I view them as – so I'm like, how would the 35-year-old team play against the 2019 LSU team or whatever? I think it would have been a dogfight. That's no transfer report either, baby. Well, I mean, we're not even bringing up the 1894 Yale Bulldogs. Yeah. 16-0, they're unbelievable. Before the legal forward pass, I mean, I think their point differential was like plus 2 ,500. You should have seen them at rugby, too. Nobody talks about it. They were undefeated in a rugby as well. It wasn't just major college football. It was 472.

1:03:36Darius Butler:Yeah.

1:03:37Pat McAfee:1894. Oh, no. Was that before? I mean, that's before the five-yard grids. I mean, that's before both World Wars.

1:03:45Darius Butler:Columbus was their quarterback. Chris? Yeah.

1:03:49Pat McAfee:He had a good high school down there in Miami. He's a hero in our house.

1:03:52Darius Butler:He left Yale, actually, and started that high school in Miami.

1:03:56Pat McAfee:He's a good value.

1:03:57Darius Butler:Yeah. Okay. He's a hero in our house.

1:04:00Pat McAfee:He had great high school down there in Miami. Jerry Shade Butler's here. A little colder than I expected in Miami. It's back about years now. It's been chilly. I see you're wearing your Nike Tech right there. I've seen that recently. It's very chilly out here. I have this. It is yours, actually. Thanks.

1:04:20Darius Butler:Getting off a plane from Florida and hitting minus 10 last night, that'll smack you right in the mouth.

1:04:25Pat McAfee:That's how you get off the bus in Florida and it not being hot.

1:04:30Darius Butler:That was a smack in the mouth.

1:04:32Pat McAfee:That was a tank top. I'm in Florida. Sunglasses. Miami. It's noon. Can't wait to get off this bus right now. Walk out. Oh, my God. It's a moist, chilly air that's blowing through there. This is not how Miami's supposed to be. It was good for football, though. That was a perfect atmosphere. It was. I mean, it was a perfect football game. Wasn't too hot. Didn't feel like it was a resort football game, like a vacation football game. Did not feel like that at all. Wasn't too cold that it was uncomfortable for anybody. Felt like it was a perfect football night. It genuinely did. I don't think the field, a couple people slipped, but I don't think it was too bad.

1:05:09Pat McAfee:Refs, obviously there's a couple calls where we're like, you didn't call, but you did call. I think that's going to happen in a game. I don't think they made themselves the story of the game, which I respect. I think it was a great game.

1:05:19Darius Butler:Yeah, it was. I think last night was a great football game. That's a loud stadium too. Yeah, because they got the – last year we talked about it when it was Notre Dame and Penn State. We were like, that was really loud in there. And last night was very, very loud because those overhangs keep in all the noise. Joining us now is a man who's kind of watched the dawn of a new day

1:05:35Pat McAfee:in the Big Ten three different times over the last three years. But this one might be a B turned to a C. This man might be a member of the SIG 10. Ladies and gentlemen, he's an Ohio State Hall of Famer. He is former president of Ohio. He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, and all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Ha-Ha. Yay! Sig 10 champs win it all, baby. Three different Sig 10 teams win in three straight years. That's good news, H. That's good news for all parties up there. Rising tides. Yeah, of course. It's great news for the Big Ten for India.

1:06:09And then you guys hit it. Sorry, is my audio gone? Yeah, it sounds like shit.

1:06:13Pat McAfee:Yeah, for a second or two there, but you're back. Yeah, everything is going on me. I can't hear anything. But it was a storybook ending, like you said. Storybook season. Ah, we can't hear you. You're cutting out there. Hold on. Let's see. How is it? Still pretty bad? I mean, I know what you're doing. I know you're just a bit now. You can probably hear me. I'm just saying, I can't hear myself. I'm not sure who's modeling my audio. Did I not sell it? I felt like I sold it good. No, because I know. My initial default is you're messing with me, but I still can't hear myself, so I'm not really sure.

1:06:44Okay, so...

1:06:46Pat McAfee:I thought I sold it pretty good there. Honestly, I thought I had him. I thought we had him for the first time in, what, a couple years? Yeah, it's been a while. Oh, my God.

1:06:53Darius Butler:He might be a little tired.

1:06:54Pat McAfee:Maybe we'll get him. Yeah. I can't believe you sniffed that out so quick. I mean, that's unbelievable. It's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious from your end. Oh, yeah, you look good. It's how you looked at the camera. That's what made me understand. Well, I was looking off camera. I was looking back to see if we could maybe do some buttons. Yeah, fix it. To figure the whole thing. Do some buttons. Yeah, that's what I was trying to do. That's what I was selling. Obviously, I got to work on that. Don't you worry. I'm going to get you good, fucker. I'm going to get you good. I'm going to get you someday.

1:07:20Pat McAfee:But you're about to tell a story, I think, about football as a whole, maybe, before your audio got throttled because the Indiana story is so fantastic. Yeah, I don't know if I was about to tell a story, but I think you definitely hit it. Like, it's a storybook season for them. The fact that they go 16-0 when you know how difficult it is to do that. We say this every year we go to the college football playoffs. We're thinking, like, this is an absolute gauntlet to run the table and to win it all. It is such a crazy difficult thing to do after a long regular season. So, yeah, credit to Sig and the Indiana Hoosiers.

1:07:50I don't think they're slowing down anytime soon.

1:07:52Pat McAfee:The way they play, and you watch it, and obviously, I mean, standing in between A.J. and D. Butt, especially whenever it gets down close to us, D. Butt knew there was 12 men on the field for Miami before, way before Miami did. I mean, literally, as soon as they get lined up, D. Butt starts pointing at a guy, and then he starts doing the math. He's like, those two guys are definitely not supposed to be standing right there next to each other. Somebody's got to notice this, and then timeout comes, and D. Butt goes, I think there's 12 on the field. And obviously there was. Then AJ starts like, you know, because he's viewing it as a linebacker.

1:08:21Pat McAfee:So whenever it's down there, you literally see him moving things. What did Indiana do so well, you think, from the defensive perspective? Now, obviously, they get to pick the change that Carson Beck makes him play. They give up the explosive run. I'm not saying negatively what happened to them. But what have you seen from us standing where we are standing, how this Bryant Haynes-led defense is so good and so fundamentally sound is seemingly the only way I can describe it. But what does that mean, you think, from watching it yourself? Yeah, so like on the sidelines before the game, I saw Trent Green standing there, and I went up and talked to Trent because I love him.

1:08:51He's a great dude. And I was telling him, like, I'm asking him about the game and how he thinks it's going to go and all that. He loves Sig and everything they're doing. But I was telling him, I'm like watching from the end zone. I'm like a football nerd when it comes to proper leverage and gap integrity and all of that stuff. And Indiana has that at all times. Like, hey, if you're supposed to be the outside piece, this dude is setting the edge. He's the outside piece, and you've got ten dudes running inside out with proper angles. But the cool thing is, like, they're coming with bad intentions.

1:09:19Like D-Bud says, they're trying to staple dudes to the ground. They're having four, five, six guys hit the ball carrier every single time. Like, they're just relentless. And I think when you couple that with, like, the skies that they're able to do pre-snap. And then what I like, too, is, like, when they're playing a lot of zone coverage, they have their eyes on the quarterback. They're breaking on the ball. Like, nothing's easy against that Indiana defense. And credit to Miami because they were in it. They had a chance to do it. But Indiana, man, what a back-and-forth game. And for them to be able to come away victorious was, yeah, just the stamp on an absolute special season.

1:09:51Pat McAfee:The pick from the nephew of the Sharp who got the pass interference call for Miami against your Ohio State team gets the game national championship ceiling interception from Carson Beck. Felt like this was just a miscommunication. The way D-Butt described it, he says, Marion doesn't think he's getting his ball because he's all by himself over there, and they got three guys on that side of the field with a safety over top. There's no way I'm going to be the selection. Yeah, you can see it from this angle right here. He just looks at that safety, knowing to have field safety. By the time he looks back, it's obviously too late.

1:10:23The ball's already in the air. I don't think he ever thought he was going to be the target in that progression. But, yeah, like A.J. said, that was a perfect example of just veteran players, smart players, zone coverage all the way. You don't have another threat in the flat holding you up there. Eyes on the quarterback, and if he doesn't make a perfect throw, you make him pay for it and you end the game. So just a tremendous job. But everything A.J. said, it was a handful of plays where when you're playing great players, they're going to make plays. Malachi Tony, he's going to make big plays. Mark Edwards Jr., I mean, Mark Fletcher Jr., the long run to the edge, the touchdown run, that was his big play.

1:10:55But outside of that, they kept everything in front of him. They tackled well. And then that huge turnover, the block, too, by Kamaru, who's the starter, we saw that happening in slow motion. It felt like right in front of us, like, hold on, are they going to block this guy? And that was obviously a game-changing play as well. But, yeah, it was a back-and-forth game. Miami fault, but Indiana was just the better team.

1:11:15Pat McAfee:And Kamara selling out on special teams. Charlie Becker, their wide receiver, rolls ankle on special teams. It's like whenever you start judging the culture, it's like, well, how do they go on plays that don't matter? This could have easily just been fair catch. Let's go ahead and send us down, get our Heisman back on the field. Instead, Kamara saw it as an opportunity. Duck ripped and then gets to the block point. Normally for punts, you go down. You try to go down. He goes up and through. and it's one of the purest blocks I've seen. And then Isaiah Jones able to jump on it. He dropped a pick like two plays before that.

1:11:47Pat McAfee:Now granted, it would have been an insane pick, but he's also full effort to be back there. Like the amount of effort you got to get through your guy and then the shield to get to end zone that quickly, like that's full sellout by him as well, even though he didn't block it. It's like everything seemingly was showcased about the Indiana culture last night in multiple different situations. The resiliency, the talent, the toughness, the football IQ. And here, the effort, like this is just strictly effort being made by an incredibly talented player. You remember, Kamar rolled his ankle last week in the Peach Bowl bad.

1:12:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, he was off the thing. So it's like unbelievable in all three phases to watch them do their thing. And it kind of shows you like the depth they still don't have for Indiana. Like they still have their start and D-line on, you know, punt return. Like can you imagine when, you know, this is this time next year and they have all these guys who are now going to Indiana. I don't know the exact numbers, but I do know they got basically half of the great players in the transfer portal. You now wonder how many guys are going to end up joining or flipping commitments to IU, and then they might have four or five stars on their punt and punt return, and that was kind of the last two years, the big difference, especially when they played Ohio State and Caleb Downs had that punt return.

1:13:07Darius Butler:Yeah, numbers-wise, the first year they brought in 31 transfers. 13 of them were from JMU. And then coming into this season, they had 23 guys from the transfer portal from last season. And then this transfer portal period here, the last few weeks, they only brought in 17 this year. So it's like, hey, we needed to flip it. We did. We're going to bring in less every single year. They're getting better recruits now, things like that. So, yeah, it's kind of like they have their guys there now so they don't have to go shopping per se as much in the portal.

1:13:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, and Coach Saban brought this up on game day. He said he was impressed by the fact that Signetti was able to turn Indiana into a place where he's now going to have to change the way he motivates. So for a long time, you know, we're misfits. We were replaced, kicked out, whatever the case at our old school. We want to come here and prove something. Indiana's never done it. We'd like to come here and prove something together. Now it's like everybody's coming there for like, what can Indiana do for me? Like, how is that whole thing? so the way sig is going to have to evolve in his messaging i think he'll be able to figure out he seemingly has a great sense of what needs to be said when it needs to be said we can air this out now we got a chance to talk to sig before we called the rose bowl and uh after the heisman ceremony there's a little bit of something they had to push back a meeting or something because of weather or something like that and uh he said i laid into him real good it was the meanest i've ever been to these guys is that not basically word for word what he said i forget how he laid it out yeah i think he said something to the effect of like and i got in their ass worse than i ever have yeah it was bad yeah everyone telling them how good they are i had to come in real quick and yeah i was mean to him real mean he said heisman winner they're celebrating the heisman these guys getting smoke blown up their ass by literally everybody he said i was the meanest i've ever been to him and you can tell like he didn't want to be right really likes the crew yeah but it's like he has a great sense for what's needed when and we talk about those timeouts we have multiple videos.

1:15:01Pat McAfee:Bruce, great job with all the videos. Foxy, Bill with the photos. I mean, Foss getting all the bullshit. I mean, thank you to everybody that goes into the entire field. Ben Ward, Dish, you know, Miss Sarah Hare, the camera crews. Like, there's so many people that are awesome during those field passes. We appreciate. But it's like, when you think about like, I don't know. Signetti's just such a special individual, man. Oh, yeah. Because whenever you watch him, you have no idea what he's doing at any time. You have no idea what he's doing at any time. There's so many memes coming out. Like the guy that said when I'm 260 out or something and I'm telling the green clear the green, you know, because I'm going for it and I skull 120 yards.

1:15:40Pat McAfee:It's like, it fits perfectly. But what is he actually doing in that moment? You know, like, well, he's looking for a line scrimmage. It's like, is he? Because that's not where the ball was. He might have been just looking at some deep tackle that he thought, oh, there's a little bit of negative energy coming out of that guy. We got to start attacking that guy. You never know what he's doing. When the timeouts are happening, you talk about him empowering his coaches to do the coaching. It's like he's standing outside of that thing like this, looking away from his huddle to seemingly anything. We have not necessarily the other team, not necessarily the refs, not necessarily his crowd, not necessarily their crowd.

1:16:14Pat McAfee:I have no idea what he's doing. We still don't necessarily know what he's doing. But coming out of one of those, he made a decision. We're not kicking a field goal. We're going for this thing, you know? And we got to change the way we're doing this right now. They get an interception. It feels like his mind is just always cooking for, like, what do we need right now? How do we go about doing this? And he's always in character because I think that's just who he is. He was put on this earth to be this, I think. So, like, I'm excited to watch him navigate all these new steps. More donor money than ever.

1:16:46Pat McAfee:Now, Cody Campbell at Texas Tech, they're going to have more than everybody. Oregon, going to have a lot. Texas, other Texas in Texas. I think the school's in Texas. A &M, Texas. Texas Tech. They've got a lot of football people who have access to a lot of money. But Indiana, not like that yet. I think a lot of, and Kurt Cignetti came out and said that, like, a lot of people think we're a lot different than we are in the NIL because we've done so well. But the reason why he's had to hit on everybody is because he's been able to make use of all the money that he's been given. That money's only going to amplify.

1:17:19Pat McAfee:That money's only going to go up, and it's like, he's going to just keep, I'm very excited for this run that he has, because I know he's older, but he still has a lot of time to build an incredible legacy as a college football head coach. Yeah, no disrespect to Joey McGuire or Elko or any of those guys because they're fantastic coaches, but if Indiana is in the same, just like ballpark, not saying they have as much money as Texas Tech or anything like that, and they clearly do. They have resources. They have people who now are going to want to continue to give money to the program. He's the best coach in America.

1:17:56And this might be recency bias because we've been following them. Obviously, we live in Indiana. I'm a Big Ten graduate, so I'm very aware of what they're doing week in and week out. I don't think it's particularly close. I really don't. It's still – we watched this whole thing, and you kind of saw it coming. We were saying going into the game, I feel like Indiana is going to win by four touchdowns. But even after the game, it's just like, holy shit. Like, this guy actually did this.

1:18:26Pat McAfee:Shout out to Miami, by the way. Yes. Once again, fight, fight, fight. Absolutely. Because we watched them make people quit. Right. Because it was just annoying. Everything was annoying.

1:18:35Darius Butler:Their defense is so good.

1:18:36Pat McAfee:Defense is annoying. Every single snap, your technique has to be perfect, or they're going to make you quit. They made Alabama quit. Yeah. They made Oregon think about not playing football anymore. Right. Like, that is how relentless they were as a team with what they were. So it was like, is that going to happen to Miami? It's like, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. And then Miami just didn't – they just continued to battle. And I think it's because the studs they had. I mean, Bain and Mesidor. I don't think – Rememntless. Those guys are unbelievable. We've got to see all their playoffs, football playoff games.

1:19:08Watching them, the dip and rip and the power that they have on the edge, that has to put so much fear in every single offensive coordinator. Like, all right, how do we handle these guys? And Moten. Moten in the middle. Oh, Moten is awesome. Yeah. Torre, are you kidding me? Everybody on that defense hits. They all hit.

1:19:23Pat McAfee:Torre had a pass breakup, I think, if my memory serves me right. It's like they have dogs down there across the board. Now, Jacoby, I mean, this is clearly a – I don't know. Signetti says the Holy Road going in at halftime. They got three personal foul hits against our quarterback in one drive. I know they're going to let him play, but at some point you got to – these are black and white penalties at this point. Like, they can't do that. Like, let him play. I get it. But that is not – that's not a lot in football. So, like, you've got to figure that out. Big 12 refs did let him play. Yeah. Did let him play.

1:19:56Pat McAfee:And we knew that was good for Miami. Because there was three possible ejections in the first half from Miami. But instead it was, let's go football, boys. Yeah, get up. Fendozo was spitting blood last night. Big time. Oh, yeah. Bruised arms, spitting blood. Who knows what happened internal organs during this one. Because he gets hit, like, three times through the entirety. And he's at 11 with the boys. I'm telling you, I think he's generational too. Probably had a good time. I assume so. Oh, yeah. This next step, though, for the program, obviously for Coach Sig, it's like the cliche we always hear, usually for players, hey, how do you handle success?

1:20:35Like how do you handle this new level of success? How do you handle now being that destination, handle the team with the target on their back as opposed to, you know, the team that, okay, it's a great story. They've got something special growing in Bloomington, but now actually being a powerhouse going into the season. What's their odds next year, Tone, going into next season?

1:20:53Darius Butler:They are co-favorites to win the national championship at plus 700 with the Ohio State Buckeyes. The Indiana Hoosiers. That's insane. The Indiana Hoosiers. Like, how do you handle that? So, I mean, we all think, I think as well, because Ty said it, and we're all on the same page, where Sig is doing the best job, the best coaching job we've seen in America, in college sports. And usually you judge a coach based on what they do with the level of talent that they have. And it's the level of talent. Obviously, he has his own evaluation process, which is unbelievable. But from the outside looking in from a 30 ,000-foot view, you say, okay, five-star, he's 6 '4", 210, he runs a 4 '3", he's 6 '5", 320, he can bench press 500 pounds.

1:21:34So you know these guys are going to be the five and the four-stars. You've got more of those. So if you've got a coach with no five-stars, and it's been said a thousand times, then to go out there and have a 16-0 season to step up to the challenge every time, every step along the way. It's going to be unbelievable to see how this continues to grow.

1:21:50Pat McAfee:Last thing here about Coach Sig in this particular conversation, he called his shot. Yeah. He did. Yeah. Hey, look, I'm super fired up about this opportunity.

1:22:05I've never taken a back seat to anybody

1:22:07Darius Butler:and don't plan on starting now.

1:22:12Are you in such?

1:22:26Pat McAfee:I mean, you talk about that moment, and then his quote at his press conference is, there is no reason why we can't be successful, pack the stadium, and be a source of pride to the entire university and town and state of Indiana, town of Bloomington, state of Indiana. Let me clarify that, he said, in this thing. We're going to change the culture, the mindset, the expectation level, and improve the brand of Indiana Hoosier football. There will be no self-imposed limitations on what we can accomplish. My business averages the enemy. And to be great, you've got to have special focus, special commitment, special preparation, and discipline in the ability to say no to some things.

1:23:05Pat McAfee:I'm a little old-fashioned. I'll look at the high school transcript and see how many absences a guy has. We want good students who have strong habits because it's all about choices and decisions. I've never really looked at stars ever, honestly. It's kind of like I get so focused in on certain things, like in this particular case, evaluation. I guess these stars have been around for a long time. I've never, ever looked at a star. There's going to be people in this conference that probably have more resources than we do, but that's not detrimental. You've got to take the right kind of guys. You've got to develop them and form the intangibles on your football team.

1:23:39Pat McAfee:That was Coach Sigg during his opening press conference a little under two years ago. Ty Schmidt, you said it on the plane. That might be the greatest cold shot in sports history. Babe Ruth, I guess, right? Yeah. But I don't know if we witnessed that in real time and this many hundreds of millions probably pour into a place because of it. No, I mean, I think Babe Ruth, you know, even as a Yankees fan, like that's largely bullshit. that's kind of been made into something much more than what it probably actually was. Yeah, I know I hate to bring guys' hearts, but I think that might be the case. I think that might be a load of horseshit.

1:24:14He probably did something in that ballpark. But that's the thing with Sig, too. It's like not only having the nuts to do that, but he wasn't even going to a program that had success in the 80s and hadn't been good for 10 years, so people could actually maybe see it in their mind's eye. You know, like, oh, yeah, we were great in Nebraska or something like that, who won all these national championships in the mid-'90s to the late-'90s and then have been dormant for a while. And then it's like, hey, we're going to get back to where we were. Indiana's never been worth a fuck, ever. They have sucked since the early 1900s, since they've been around.

1:24:54And in this day and age, we know how that goes. If he comes in and says all that stuff at that basketball game and they go 2-10 his first year, the memes, everyone on every TV show, radio show, this guy's a dipshit. What does this guy think? His accent too. Exactly. He's getting killed and buried before he ever has a chance to do anything. Yeah, they won the national championship this year. It took him one year to turn it around. It took him one year. It's insane. and yeah, I don't like, you know, now it's going to be, hey, how do you, like you're talking about the experiments to like the, you know, all that, to find out how Sig has done this.

1:25:37Like this guy is one of one. There is no one like him. I think that's pretty clear. Like he just, no one else would have done that. And then actually two years later, here we are. They just went 16-0 and they won a national championship.

1:25:50Pat McAfee:I appreciate that he chose, I'm going to go talk some shit out here. Yeah. Like nobody ever does. Everybody does the, what's the right thing to say? We're going to work hard. We're going to represent IU in a way that's going to make you all proud. Coach speak. And whenever we come out, we're going to have the Hoosiers faithful behind us. You're the best students and the best fans in the entire country, and we're going to try to earn your fanhood. Thank you so much. Like that is – I think I just wrote a script for somebody that just got hired to doing the basketball thing right there. Or I read it.

1:26:19Pat McAfee:I apologize there for doing that. Him just getting a sense – once again, this is him getting like – having an incredible feel for like what needs to be done at a time in this particular world. I don't know how he'd be with computers. I have no idea and all this stuff, but in this particular world, it feels like he has like an actual sixth sense where he's like, this is what needs to happen right now. We got her. Who do they hate? Who do we hate the most? Who do we hate the most out here? Oh, everybody. Yeah. Everybody. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Actually, you know what? Fuck them all.

1:26:52Pat McAfee:That's where we're coming. Okay. Okay. Sweet, sweet, sweet. So we hate Purdue is who we hate. yeah okay if i lose them you know where we're headed produce sucks and everybody yeah it's like all right i kind of like that a little bit and i've been i was telling them yeah michigan sucks too say it's a high state go you it's like choosing that angle is awesome yeah like it is awesome but putting that much public pressure on yourself almost forces you to have to show up and do it if you're a type of person as opposed it's just a troll. So I think like Sig was doing that to not only get his own people to buy in, but also like, alright, now what are you going to do, big boy?

1:27:32Pat McAfee:What are you going to do to the whole world? And all he did was work his ass off. He could have sucked too, and nobody would have cared. Everybody would have expected it. Right. Whatever. It would have been a story. Where in the Sun Belt, where would he have headed back to? Because he was at JMU. He went down there to Florida. Where was he at? Louisiana Monroe. Oh, Bill Napier. Napier, yeah. Just goes back to JMU. I think he's a James. He is. Yeah, so that would be the signet he passed. You remember the Pittsburgh Inzer asshole accent guy? Good try. Fucking sucked in the Big Ten. Pretty sucks thing.

1:28:06Pat McAfee:Yeah, we just got him back down here in Louisiana and Rome. Coastal or something. He'll be unbelievable. Like, that's what it would have been. Yeah. We've seen it a thousand times. Not talking shit to everybody, but, like, just going up there, doing the bullshit speech, sucking up there, then going back down. Hey, he's a good ball coach. Where are he supposed to be, you know? And it's like him. Man, what a story. Michigan wins it, Ohio State wins it, and then he goes out and wins it. And then, I don't know if you saw it, you probably did see it in that same gym, in that same assembly hall, right?

1:28:34They had your video up there playing with the watch party. That was pretty sick, too. Hey, that was sick. That was dope. You flash forward from that moment to that moment with them all being in that same gym watching. That's pretty dope.

1:28:45Pat McAfee:Yeah, and also, if you think about what that stadium was his first day, they filled this assembly hall up. Let alone her shit was getting numbers. He was saying them on the show. So I felt like he got it from very good authority Yeah, you could turn yourself is pretty sick actually

1:29:20Pat McAfee:I'm getting my man. So thank you around here.

1:29:29Pat McAfee:That's sick though. That all was built in the last two years. And all you need is just a little spark, man. It feels like that's all you need is just a little spark. And then whenever you catch it, it can run. And it feels like they've captured it down there in Bloomington. And it's been fun to be a part of the ride. I mean, obviously we knew Sig from JMU when he came on our show and he said, The NCAA sucks.

1:29:50Darius Butler:We're like, that guy's awesome. Yes.

1:29:52Pat McAfee:This guy's from Pittsburgh. Played football at West Virginia. It's like, all right. I immediately, all right. Pies on. I immediately love you. And then just getting right up on that stage. Do we like the NCAA to 20 ,000 people? No. Just looks at the camera. They're the ones in charge right now at that point. And it's like, we love you, dude. You are not like anything we've ever seen before. and then he gets hired at Indiana an hour south of where we're at. And it's like one of the first texts, I assume, that he sends. He's like, can't wait to get to Indiana for us to see you boys or something like that.

1:30:26Pat McAfee:You need to come down to the house. It's like immediately, it's like, holy hell, what a lucky ride we've got to witness this. An hour south. Who can come and do that for us? For Colts. If they could do it for who? Okay. Two years in a row. We've been in a Super Bowl. No, you like your guys. We've been in a Super Bowl. You like your guys. It doesn't exist. It's possible, right? Give Sig$100 million a year. Yeah. He's a college guy. Who's doing that? You talking about the Colts right now? Yeah. Hey. They can find it. You want to win a Super Bowl? Pony up. How much are the Colts worth? Yeah, 10 % of the team.

1:30:58Billions and billions of dollars. Give Sig seven years,$700 million. That's probably going to do it. And then let him do whatever he wants to do. Sig says that. He needs the money. And he can stay in Bloomington. He can come up like twice a week. Well, I don't know. He's got a great house.

1:31:15Darius Butler:He could do both teams. Coach both of them.

1:31:18Pat McAfee:He's got a putt and green. Yeah, exactly. I heard he just because he won an Addy. New addition. Yeah, he's got Amen Corner down there now.

1:31:24Darius Butler:He's put in a new grotto. A beautiful, beautiful rock structure out of the pool.

1:31:28Pat McAfee:The wine cellar. Oh, man. Down there. I mean, I'm telling you. Bloomington, the things he can buy down there with the money he's getting paid and how everybody loves him. He's a statue now forever. Yes, no doubt. He's a statue guy in that town forever. They should commission that today. He might be able to get, like if he really wanted to, he could get that. Every building in that shot right there could potentially be named Sigmetti or something. Kelroy Zon Kirkwood brought to you by Kurt Sigmetti in that town. It's like his family too, his wife, she is like beloved by everybody down there. It's like he has quickly become, I guess like Saban is in Alabama.

1:32:07Pat McAfee:Sig is in Bloomington, which is why he said, I'm not an NFL guy. I'm a college football guy. and I was asked by Dr. Pam Wittner president if I wanted to go look at any of these other jobs. I said no. They said you want a new deal? Sure. Talk to a lawyer. I come on your show Pat and I sign it the next day. I'm here for another nine years and I guess in the negotiation they're going to pay me while everybody else

1:32:30Darius Butler:is getting paid forever. If I win at all I get even more money.

1:32:34Pat McAfee:Yeah they told me win more games get more money you got it. I need another putt and green need another cup Cold tubs. It's a new Pac-Man machine I'd like to put in my game room. Throwback. A little nostalgia piece. I've got to root for all my cured meats, too. What if he gets a Cruisin' USA? Oh, boy. That would be amazing. That would be absolutely amazing. Imagine playing him in Cruisin' USA. You and him head-to-head. Train paint. Oh, so much. I'm getting a little bit of a meteor car for that particular match because he is going to try. Oh, yeah. You can't be doing a sports car or a motorcycle for that.

1:33:13Pat McAfee:No. He might be anticipating that, though. Like, oh, he thinks I'm going to. Do you think he's double hitting that thing, flipping every time? Yes, every time. Watch this.

1:33:23Darius Butler:Watch this. Hitting all the animals. Shortcuts. Yeah. Yeah. Shortcuts.

1:33:31Pat McAfee:Where are you going? Through the bushes? Don't worry. This is your first time. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, he's a man who would tell us a little bit more about this coach's life and kind of how the coaches are kind of viewing what Signetti has been able to do. A man who coached football for 47 years. Ladies and gentlemen, our friend Coach B.A. Hey, B.A. Coach, you heard us do a lot of convo about Coach Signetti. What are your thoughts on what he's been able to do? Football is non-existent. I mean, non-existent in Bloomington for so long. Not even a shred of hope. And now they're the national champs.

1:34:03Pat McAfee:Not only do they fill up every stadium they play through the college football playoff, they're also filling up their basketball arena just to watch along. It's a special thing what football can do, but he's been able to accomplish it. What are your thoughts on him, B.A., and why do you think he is who he is?

1:34:16Darius Butler:Yeah, I think it's a fantastic job. I mean, what Sig has done there in two years is just amazing. And I love it because he stayed true to himself. He didn't change. You know, he didn't move and change who he was because he went to Indiana from James Madison. He just stayed himself. And that's good enough to win a national championship. And, boy, they did it in great fashion. I don't know who's putting all the stars on these players, but they need to talk to Kurt and let him fucking figure it out.

1:34:47Pat McAfee:The Cignetti college rating that will probably happen, you know, once he's done is certainly around the corner. BA needs to get a little bit of credit for that. Let's talk about the quarterback that, you know, transforms into the number one overall pick. 6 '5", 230. We've told you about him. Dan Orlovsky has mentioned, I think a lot of NFL people have said, like, I haven't really watched the film on this guy throughout the entirety of the season. that becomes like during the draft process right now we got nfl stuff going on like we we don't really know everything about a guy until maybe around combine or as we're looking as him as the number one overall pick we think what people are going to see they're going to like we think he's tough we think he loves ball we think he's a nerd so you know he's probably not going to get any trouble he has beers with the boys he's dialed and committed and can make every throw it's like i'm i have a lot of faith in the 6 '5 230 pounder did you see anything through this college football playoff run or is there anything that you would like to see from a quarterback who does a lot of RPOs but he's going to be the number one overall pick uh coming up here in the draft no I love

1:35:48Darius Butler:everything about him you know for me it always starts with a deep ball and he's as accurate as anybody down the field uh with the back shoulder throws and and putting it down the field uh he's got a great touch I mean he's got all the measurables obviously he's very very bright yeah To me, he's the can't-miss guy. He's just got to get to a team that has some fashion of an offensive line so he doesn't get killed.

1:36:10Pat McAfee:Now, on that note, Tom Brady was there last night. Mark Davis was there. Spy Tech was there. If Tom Brady's going to be more a part of the entire ownership process, which we don't know. I think he has a house in Miami. I don't know. I don't follow all the tabloids. I assume he does. He's Tom Brady. He's got to be loving life. No doubt. Oh, my God. He's wearing his glasses everywhere. Got a big boat, probably. He looks so cool all the time. Good for you, Tomo. Hey, good for you. Yeah, and a baby Tomo. Hey, Tomo down there. Florida Tomo is certainly great. But if he's going to be a part of it all and, you know, a part of the entire assessment of how they need to become a good football team a little bit more, we would assume he knows he needs an offensive line, right?

1:36:51Pat McAfee:Wouldn't that be something that Tom Brady would know? And if you see what the Chicago Bears were able to do in one offseason whenever Ben Johnson got there, spent some money on the right pieces, Once again, getting the right pieces is obviously a big piece of that. You think that Raiders team has to invest in an offensive line, right? Don't we think that's probably step number one? If you have the number one overall pick and you're getting a quarterback, don't you need that? Totally, yeah. I'm getting two tackles and a center for sure.

1:37:15Darius Butler:And, you know, they got enough cap room. I've been in the room with John Spitek, great evaluator, especially on the pro side. And, yeah, I think the Raiders could be a quick fix in the AFC West.

1:37:27Pat McAfee:I love Fernando. I like that he loves ball. He's a Florida boy, too. I mean, he's a mile from Miami. He's in Miami. Yeah. You know, him and Mark Fletcher afterwards, I assume they had, you know, growing up. The Miami football scene, what everybody down there knows who's going to make it in the NFL for, like, seventh grade, right? Oh, everybody's, you know, 7-on-7 teams, parks, one-on-ones. So, Fernando, all these guys, especially the skilled players, all the skilled players you see each other. You can go out there, I mean, year-round, you know, football season is year-round down there. Pretty good shit-talking community down there?

1:38:00Oh, yeah.

1:38:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, so Fernando's going to be able to deal with it all. You know, like, I just think he is – I'm very excited to see what he does in the NFL. AJ has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, getting back to the Indiana team and what Coach Cignetti is doing, we talked earlier about handling success. Like, what is that? Why is that so difficult to do? I had a great coach, Dom Capers, told us day one of our install, hey, guys, I know how you handle, like, adversity and everything. I want to know how we handle success because we're going to win a lot of football games around here, and I need to be you guys like stay dialed and stay focused like what why is it so difficult once you have reached that mountaintop to stay there yeah I think complacency sets in a little

1:38:38Darius Butler:bit but I don't think six gonna let complacency set in the nice thing about college football is you got a new roster every year so the message doesn't get stale in the NFL sometimes fifth or sixth year if you got all those guys coming back the message can get a little stale especially if you haven't reached the top if you're getting close close close we've seen all these coaches get fired because they got close uh i don't know who the hell's going to take their place but yeah i don't see that message getting stale in the end um signetti whenever you talk about

1:39:07Pat McAfee:football greats in coaching him saying i'm a college guy and not going to nfl do you like that or hate that or how do you kind of view that i love it because he knows who he is he knows where

1:39:18Darius Butler:he fits a lot of guys have tried it you know all the way back to lou holtz and it didn't work out you know I was one of those guys I was fortunate the program did figure out for me after college but you know no I think everybody's got to know where their fit is and I think you know when talked to coach Saban you know those two years in Miami taught him I should have stayed at LSU

1:39:41Pat McAfee:well he has some ideas on maybe some decisions that should have been made yeah and if they would have been made in a certain fashion maybe it would be okay him and Bill Drew Brees Yep, yep. That is exactly the conversation that I've heard a couple different times. All right, well, now, how do you think it goes if, and then he talks about everything that potential ripple effects after that. He goes, no, hey, what? Yep, okay, but how do we, you know, it's funny listening to him talk about it. Last night, him and Belichick wanted to celebrate what they did up there in Cleveland together. That was a good moment.

1:40:13Pat McAfee:Coach Saban was like, Bill, you've done a lot of great things, but nobody talks about the job we did in Cleveland. They were very bad, and they got better because we were there. And it was just like, you know what? You're right, you two. Nobody ever talks about how good a coach is you guys are. Nobody ever talks about how good a coach is you guys are. And so I'm going to make sure people remember what you guys did for a Cleveland Browns. And it's crazy to think that, though. Like, hey, coming up these ranks, who's going to be the next one? You know, be a 47 years of coach, and you're in college.

1:40:43Pat McAfee:Then you get into the NFL, and it's like you become the quarterback whisperer. We have no idea who's next. on that note. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, B.A., we're hearing a lot of guys like Nate Sheilhaus, who's the passing game coordinator for the Rams, or Clint Kubiak, or Grant Udinski, who is the OC for Jacksonville, obviously didn't call plays. If you are a GM or an owner, how would you feel about giving a guy, like one of these guys who's 30 or 35 years old, the opportunity to be a first-time head coach when they haven't called plays? And you look at a couple of these situations, like two of them have elite quarterbacks.

1:41:19You know, the Raiders have the number one overall pick. Like where do you lean when it comes to these guys who are unproven, but there there's a lot of kind of smoke and fire behind their names right now?

1:41:31Darius Butler:Yeah, you have to deep dive because are they really doing, are they in front of the room, putting it in or is the offensive coordinator putting it in? If you haven't called plays and all of a sudden you're going to be a head coach play caller, that's a lot for somebody. I mean, that's just a hell of a big jump. And very, very few guys have been successful at it. Now, if you're going to hire a young guy and he's going to hire an offensive coordinator to be in front of the room all the time and put it in and call the plays, that's a different story, and you're just going to oversee it. But, yeah, I'm not a fan.

1:42:02Darius Butler:I've seen 10 head coaching jobs open. I don't know who the hell is going to get them.

1:42:06Pat McAfee:Yeah, there's interesting. Gasala gets a job down in Tennessee. Halfley gets a job down in Miami. Sammy Stefanski gets a job in Atlanta. And then obviously Harbaugh is a New York football giants head coach. He said that like four times today in his press conference, right, Bruce? That felt like that was something he was hammering home. Hell yeah. And he also said, if you don't love football, get the hell out of here. You're going to need to love football to be a New York football giant. BA, you've coached in multiple places at later stages of your career where everybody knows exactly who you are.

1:42:37Pat McAfee:I mean, you going to Tampa is a perfect example of that. What do you think Harbaugh is going through right now as the New York football Giants head coach? And there was a couple days there where it was like a deal's reached, Wade it isn't, and then there was conversation about who reports to what. Let's go ahead and just act like all that is kosher and everything's good. He's going to be reporting directly to ownership. He's John Harbaugh. He's earned it. You guys are the Giants. You're looking for another head coach. So let's see. Do we really want to, how do we want to kind of go about doing this whole thing?

1:43:05Pat McAfee:So let's just get past that if that's what was happening or if he just fell asleep and lost the docusign. Whatever it is, let's just get past it all. What do you think Harbaugh going in there trying to establish his culture as already a made man, if that makes sense, B.A., which is something you kind of did down there in Tampa. What do you think that process is like for him?

1:43:23Darius Butler:I think it's a very easy one because he brings the credibility. You know, the players are always looking for credibility, and John brings it automatically with his record. But that's a heck of a good young football team. I think the Giants is a sleeping giant for a job, pardon the pun, but the young guys they have on defense, Jackson Dart, Scadaboo, all those guys on offense, they've got a decent offensive line. So I think that could be an easy, easy turnaround, especially with John's pedigree.

1:43:53Pat McAfee:Okay, so let's talk about getting these gigs. Go ahead, Tone.

1:43:56Darius Butler:Yeah, Coach, we hear all these guys being brought in. Teams are bringing in 7, 8, 9, 10 interviews, and they're virtual at first and then they're in person. What is the interview process like? What is the difference between what do you talk about in the virtual ones and then when you go into the in-person ones? How deep into the weeds are they asking you to get and stuff like that? Yeah, most of it is about who you're hiring, who you're bringing with you, what's your plan. Some people ask your philosophy. I say if you've got philosophy, you're full of shit. You've got to have a plan. Let's show what the plan is.

1:44:32Darius Butler:I think that's what Sig did such a great job. He had a plan when he went in there and he followed it and it worked. But yeah, I mean, I never did a virtual one, so I can't really speak on that one. But in the interview process with the owner, it's all about, you know, your plan, how you're going to do it daily, what your expectations are, what his expectations are, and your staff. I think staff is always huge when you're talking to the owner and the GM.

1:44:58Pat McAfee:Philosophy is for LinkedIn, brother. We're out here in execution town. I want to hear a plan. You know, that is a beautiful bar from you. Philosophy is not what we need here, okay? Anybody can do theories on what football should be. Well, our quarterback's going to be our hardest worker. And he's going to be a great leader. And we're going to have the best nutritionist and our strength coach, second to none. Actually going to redefine what sports physiology is actually about. And that's the type of kind of building I'm bringing in here. An offense coordinator, you see this guy. It's a mix of Shanahan and McVay.

1:45:30Pat McAfee:This guy, he's always got a good feeling. Guess what? He's Ben Johnson, too. It's like people that operate in theories and like how they think it should be are the worst humans on earth because they just refuse to believe reality. So I appreciate that some of these owners probably asked for a plan, but I know there's some of these dipshits out there that just get sold what I just said.

1:45:50Darius Butler:For sure.

1:45:50Pat McAfee:Give me that. Yeah, did you hear this guy's got McVay and Shanahan? Same guy? Definitely, we need that. Now, there's another guy getting back into the conversation, especially in a good spot. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, B.A., Eric Biennemi, going back to Kansas City to be the OC there. I see a lot of people from Kansas City pretty happy about this, actually. They're kind of saying, you know, hey, Biennemi brings that edge, kind of that fire that KC's been missing. How do you feel about this hire, and what does Biennemi bring to the table that maybe some of us don't know? Just because from the outside looking in, and say this is a placeholder coaching position because in the end, whatever Mahomes says goes and whatever Andy Reid says goes.

1:46:31So what does BNME bring, would you say, that maybe the layman doesn't understand, especially in that building?

1:46:39Darius Butler:Yeah, I think you said a passion, energy. He's one of those really fiery guys. But, again, don't get lost in the title because he's not running the show and he's running the show. and he brings a lot of energy and passion to it. They obviously were very, very good when he was there, but it's not like they're going to change the offense in any way.

1:47:05Pat McAfee:So you kind of say, hey, to the people that are asking, hey, is this not just a placeholder position here? What are we doing here? Andy Reid's running the entire show. You said, yeah, you should think that way. But the energy, the vibes, the passion, the execution, the week-to-week, day-to-day, I assume, could be different than how Nagy would do it. he's in the head coaching conversation yeah where well tennessee apparently was hot to trot so that that spot is yeah that's what i'm saying well now that he's in head coaching mixes we got to move on as well like that is uh yeah it seemed almost like a mutual like hey you kind of stunk as our oc so let's get you out of here but then we can we can kind of get the the pr machine behind you and we'll say hey you got you know four or five head coaching interviews as well yeah and we don't know what's real what isn't especially at this point every agent could be angling and every team could be talking to anybody you have no idea who's going to get hired at any point so it's all certainly believable but yeah i guess we'll see nagy get a job maybe oc somewhere or buffalo i could see him in buffalo a lot of jobs out there well the chiefs are going to make a change i guess because they were have not been playing in the playoffs and we have certainly missed them but ball has been fantastic the weather has shown up a couple different times go ahead d bud yeah The weather is kind of always going to show up this time of the year in the NFL with the playoffs.

1:48:22What was your big thing? It won't be as big of a deal this weekend as it was last weekend, but what was your big thing with quarterbacking in elements, and what was kind of the separated with the quarterbacks that could succeed on that level? Like Matt Stafford going from L.A., playing his first game. I think that was below 20 degrees, and him getting it done on the road in Chicago. What has separated the great quarterbacks over time in this point of the year?

1:48:45Darius Butler:I think the guys that can really spin it. When you look at that Chicago weather, you know, Caleb didn't have any problem. Matthew didn't, especially in that first drive. He was on fire. The guys that can really spin it, the weather doesn't bother that much. It's the guys who are anticipation throwers with a little less arm strength where the wind, the wind is a factor. It's never the rain. It's always the wind. And, you know, those guys, I don't think the weather in Seattle is going to bother either Sam Darner or Matthew Stafford. So, yeah, I think it does bother some. I was surprised Brock Purdy did such a good job in Philly, but that to me is overblown sometimes with these veteran quarterbacks because they're all playing on the same field.

1:49:28Darius Butler:And unless there's a foot of snow on the ground or just pouring down rain, which you hate to see in playoff games.

1:49:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, all four, you know, every game outdoors, you know, is a stat that came back for the first time in a few amount of years or whatever. Yeah, first time since 2002 postseason where they're guaranteed that every NFL playoff game will be played in outdoor stadiums. Wow, we're getting the weather. That Houston-New England game was insane. Sleeting for, what, seven hours up there? Does that happen on a regular basis? That's the worst. Freezing, rain, snow, mix. Yeah. That's the worst you could have. Wind, sorry. Freezing, windy, rain, snow, mix. relentless. Six, seven hours straight of that shit.

1:50:16Pat McAfee:I mean, it was the pregame. It was during the game. It was after the game. Is that normal? Yeah, very normal. I mean, for New England people, that's right where you want to be. You don't have to shovel, but you still get the experience of winter. A wintry mix in New England. I mean, there's probably people with their mouths open the whole entire time to the sky, not to the ground, AJ. You son of a bitch. But yeah, in New England, that is a very normal type of sleet. You would hope that you just don't see any weather whatsoever for Sam Fran. That's my biggest worry with that sewer bowl. If that thing is a sloppy rain fest, which I don't anticipate it to be, but you would just hope that that doesn't happen.

1:50:54Pat McAfee:We don't know what Leonardo's saying. Alright, let's get to a couple BS or no BS's with BA, shall we? Ladies and gentlemen, the first one. We will say a statement of fact. BA will tell us if it's BS or no BS. Denver has Sean Payton. The Seahawks defense is great. And New England is a wagon. But the LA Rams will be the Super Bowl champions. Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? That's no BS, brother. Whoa! Super Bowl prediction!

1:51:25Darius Butler:January 20th, okay. I've been a part of two wildcard teams that got on a roll. And once you get on that roll, the noise doesn't bother you anymore. you've got that invincibility feeling about you. And I think the Rams, you know, with Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford, plus that defense, I think that defense is the one that can get in Sam Darnold's head. And Sam's been playing great. And Seattle's a hard, hard place to go play. But the Rams have been there and done it. And I just see them doing it. And I think they'll beat whoever comes out of the AFC.

1:51:59Pat McAfee:Matthew Stafford, MVP and a Super Bowl. Wow. The NFC is favored over the AFC no matter what the matchup is. The NFC West is favored over the AFC no matter what the matchup is on DraftKings as it predicts the future. All right, the second one here, BS or no BS with B.A.? Go ahead, D.B. Man, this team will not be in a Super Bowl this year, but here is the quote. Firing Sean McDermott was not the right move in Buffalo. He will get another job very quickly. Is that BS or no BS, B.A.? I think that's no BS.

1:52:28Darius Butler:This one baffles me. how Brandon Bean got elevated and Sean McDuffie got fired that just blows my mind because they didn't have any damn players the guy's one of the best coaches in the league and a great leader of men he's taking that team as close as you can get couldn't beat Mahomes he didn't throw any damn interceptions and the referees screwed him bad and he gets fired and I mean come on man and Brandon Bean gets a fucking raise I don't get that one That one blows my mind.

1:53:00Pat McAfee:His record is outstanding. Nine years, eight playoff appearances, five AFC East titles. It's like with what Harbaugh was getting immediately upon being let go from Baltimore and what people were saying about Tomlin as well, it's like McDermott's going to get a lot of heat. Stefanski immediately getting high is weird to me. I don't know. That's weird to me. I don't think I fully understand it, but they got a plan. Okay, let's get to a couple game balls before we get out of here. AFC, NFC game ball is one player per side. B.A., who do you got for the AFC?

1:53:32Darius Butler:Jay Living Millen. You know, game-winning interception. The guy came up big. I don't know if it was the interception, but he made the play and won the game for him.

1:53:41Pat McAfee:Jaquan McMillen makes a huge play. Okay, in the NFC, who got it, B.A.?

1:53:45Darius Butler:Cam Curl, same thing. Another big-time interception. Got to go with the defense this week.

1:53:49Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. He's the offensive guy.

1:53:51Darius Butler:Love that. Love that, coach.

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1:55:44Pat McAfee:We're incredibly lucky to be able to do this. We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. The Hoosiers are national champs. Goodbye. One more time, I'd say it. Yeah. Unbelievable. In football. Truly. How's your basketball team doing? DeVries? You know, I'll tell you what. It's a really good time for the football team. Because no one gives a shit about the basketball team right now. Foxy just did a big thumbs down down there back there like he knows. Yeah, they're not very good because Ty just told me the Iowa Hawkeyes kicked their ass. And then I think it was last week the Michigan State Spartans kicked their ass.

1:56:16Pat McAfee:So I'm just going off that alone. They beat a lot of rum-dums earlier in the season, which is a good move. You put a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule, beat the fucking shit out of them. But, yeah, I mean, the Hawks, who actually were on a bit of a schneid, they went into Bloomington and beat the fucking shit out of Indiana. Michigan State beat the fucking shit out of Indiana. Nebraska, Indiana was up by like 16. Which is good because Nebraska was undefeated. Yeah, and then they choked and blew it, and Nebraska's still undefeated. You know, so, you know, but, hey, it's, you know, growing pains.

1:56:48first-year head coach, so we'll see. They'll get it right, but does anybody fucking care when your football team's going 16-0 and you win a national championship? No, they don't. Yeah, that's kind of the tip of the spear there. I think what he ended with, no one gives a fuck about college basketball. Not around here. We do not. Hey, guess what? We don't care. No one gives a fuck. Hold on, I think the Hoosier people will be saying, hey, listen, you don't have to bury the Hoosier

1:57:18Pat McAfee:your basketball team just because you're a Hoosier football fan. Not just Hoosier basketball. No one gives a fuck about basketball is what I meant to say. I didn't mean to do just IU basketball. I just mean in general. Can't wait for those three weeks in March. Outside of those three weeks, fuck off. I don't want to hear it. I'd rather talk about the transfer portal because that is more important than January 20th in college basketball season. We know that. Okay, so you're talking college hoops. Obviously not the NBA because, look, do you see what I'm wearing today? Whoa. What are those? What?

1:57:51Don't say the what are those. I didn't mean to say it like that. I meant like, whoa, what are those? Those are sick. Cool gray Halleys. Yeah.

1:57:58Pat McAfee:I think these are the newest color out of the Hallebirds. I don't know. You lost your balance a little bit. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. I did almost collapse right there, but that was not the Halleys. That was more so my body just saying, hey, buddy, you slept two hours last night.

1:58:09Darius Butler:Yeah. Those are going to help you be a monster in March. I can feel it. Are there?

1:58:13Pat McAfee:Listen, sometimes being a monster in January is not a conversation that needs to be had. Don't you worry about the Cyclones. They're going to turn that around. They better. Otherwise, they're going to be fucking enjoying the CBI. What is that? Is that the NIT? That's a step below the NIT. Don't you be saying that. It's all the teams that get picked over in the NIT, and they say, okay, fuck it. They can come play a couple games in Birmingham. There's three of those tournaments? I did not know there's three of them because I thought the next one was the TBT. You just played the basketball. Sure.

1:58:44It's similar because I believe you actually have to pay the CBI to get into it. Okay. All right. It happens.

1:58:51Pat McAfee:On that note, West Virginia's hoop squad, tough. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Russ Hodge, early favorite for newcomer of the year. I remember Hodge. Yeah, he's the guy. Uh-huh. And DeVries left West Virginia after one year. His boy's playing for Indiana? Yep. And you guys, they're not doing good? I mean, the Big Ten is very tough. It's very tough. So the Big Ten's got football and it's got basketball? Yeah. I mean, the Big Ten is the preeminent conference in the nation. Has been for a very long time. Wrestling, women's basketball, volleyball. Well, women's basketball is UConn, right? Isn't that kind of their thing?

1:59:33Pat McAfee:Well, Iowa had with Caitlin, I think. But they didn't win, right? I'm talking like the entire conference, though. So, like, obviously UConn is the best team in the nation. But, you know, you stack up a couple of these fucking teams in a big ten. Really? Oh, yeah. And Iowa. I know we did our big Audi Crooks thing. Hey, you about to get cooked by Audi Crooks. Iowa's a top ten team again, and they don't have Kaitlin Clark. And guess what they're not doing? Losing five in a row to the fucking bottom half of the table of the Big 12. So, you know, I was dating. Who did that? I was dating. No. I hope so.

2:00:10Pat McAfee:They're resting up. Don't you worry. Monster in March. It's coming. I still got faith. I still got faith. Basketball's coming real soon. Basketball's coming real soon, so everybody needs to tighten it up. Three more football games. What?

2:00:24Darius Butler:Not long enough. Fuck.

2:00:25Pat McAfee:What'd you say? Three more football games. And then you start the countdown to kickoff again. Yeah, we'll see. It's the UFL. We start draft prep. We got the Pro Bowl games, too. Thank you I mean jeez I was trying to fucking extend it a little bit What are they doing this year? It's the week of the Super Bowl So they changed it I think it's like Wednesday night or something like that I believe it's in San Francisco I don't think it's at Disney World Okay so it's Wednesday night of Super Bowl week? Don't quote me on that but I believe it is At a weird time So then the honor 2026 Pro Bowl games will be held in San Francisco during a Super Bowl week featuring Skills competition.

2:01:07Pat McAfee:That's on Tuesday. Honors is during the week too, right? That's Thursday? Yeah. And we'll be out at Radio Row Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I believe.

2:01:16Darius Butler:Yep, classic. Classic. What a time. Thursday's the most important night of the year. A lot of people do hard work in that.

2:01:24Pat McAfee:Oh, is that when you're celebrated?

2:01:26Darius Butler:Your votes are celebrated? I specifically am celebrated. Do you get invited to that thing? No, no, no, no. Why not? You should. Yeah, you should go. We've never got invited to that. Nope, I'm okay, but you should go. You're a voter. We normally do a side-by-side. We watch the NFL honors on one half of the TV and then Gabe Maranci on the other half of the TV. Sports Rage. Yeah, Sports Rage. That is a Super Bowl tradition.

2:01:50Pat McAfee:Friday, he was quit. They both just quit. Yeah. We were watching him. We were raging right now. We're done with it. All-time favorite memories. They were so pissed. The time in which they were on, because they're from super left Canada, away over there. So the time in which they were on, Radio Row was clearly shut down. Only people in there. Packed up. They were vacuuming. And they had a full commercial-grade vacuum Zamboni. It looked like a Zamboni. It looked like a Zamboni was behind them. And fucking, they couldn't take it anymore. They didn't think they were being taken seriously. And this is such an inside joke for the people that know this, but there was nine people watching that stream live.

2:02:29Pat McAfee:We had six of them. We were six of the nine that were watching at that exact time. Loving it. Love is so happy. They just fucking quit their jobs in the middle of it. Yeah. Can't fucking do this again, Marenzi. Zambo was rolling too close. He kept doing the, I don't know, what do you think? Putting it back to the guy vacuuming. Tony in the middle. They just kept asking him questions and as he was getting ready to answer, shut up, Tony, that's not what it means. Just go to something else. They quit their job. They've been doing this for like 30 years. Quit their jobs in the middle of the stream.

2:03:05Pat McAfee:Then they're told, I think Gumpy's commenting or something in there. They hop back on, Pat McShield, boys. We're back. Are you there? Hey, you boys watching there? Yeah, they got the Zamboni back. The whole thing. Super Bowl week always provides some outlandish memories. Yes, it does. We don't do any of the shit that everybody else does. You held a concert there once. Yeah, Wiz Khalifa came out. That was awesome. They didn't put his hands on. Oh, yeah. AJ Refuse put his hands up. No more live music performances allowed from Radio Row. They've changed the rules for Radio Row every year that we've been there, basically.

2:03:40Pat McAfee:It's a great opportunity. It's a good time. Man, think about the hate that's in that room now at this stage of it all. Oh, my God. Can't wait to get out there. A lot of those people don't go to Radio Row. Yeah, I know. It's all the other ones that are told they're supposed to hate me. Remember, I'm taking their jobs and their friends' jobs. I'm taking their jobs. Interesting. You are too, though. Let's not get this fucking... They should hate you too. I would like that to be known. It's not just me that should be... That's cool. I mean, forget it. We're a team. They can hate us all. They do. Definitely hate me, which they do, Connors.

2:04:14Pat McAfee:Have you read it? I don't know if you're online enough. Is this whenever DJ Bonnix or Wiz says put your hands up and AJ refuses to do it? I think it is. You'll see. Hey, I have photo evidence of me putting my hands up. That was all the people that were allowed in there. Remember, this is during COVID, the back end of COVID.

2:04:31Darius Butler:Not everyone hates, by the way. Ran into Dockage last night. He's a fan. Yeah, he said something about me having a GAP. You guys know what that stands for? What does that stand for? I really couldn't figure it out. He just yelled GAP at me. And I was like, the retail store. Did he just yell it at you for no reason? Or what happened? I yelled, you. Double D. You. Exactly. Tiles with me. Dockage. And he just yelled, G-A-P. And I was like, go Hoosiers, baby, and kept walking. And he said the same thing about who, who, who. Hoosiers.

2:05:09Pat McAfee:Big night for Dockage. He's a big-time Hoosier fan. Yeah. Big-time Hoosier fan. Sometimes doesn't love what's going on in Indiana. He'll tell you. And all of a sudden, you got Hoosier fans mad at him. And that's right where he wants to be. He thrives in that zone. Thrives is an understatement. That is a born to be there. Yeah. I was born in the dark. Exactly. That is D.D. Congrats to him and all the Hoosiers, man. D.D. goes the bat for me and for us a lot.

2:05:40Darius Butler:He's the all-time leading scorer in Indiana? Is that true? No, he shut down Michael Jordan. Yeah.

2:05:45Pat McAfee:He played for Bob Knight. Yeah. Coached in Indiana for a little bit. Why don't you have some respect for him? I do.

2:05:51Darius Butler:That was – listen, he also told me that I have a GAP. What's it mean? You said you have a GAP? You have a GAP now. He actually, so Conor.

2:06:02Pat McAfee:Something that can be possessed. Conor was with Ty. I was with Foxy.

2:06:07Darius Butler:You don't go into Dockage 101. You got to go 2-1-1 in case you never know what's going to happen. But no, he reiterated. Because he could bury you and stall you down.

2:06:15Pat McAfee:You need to have a tag team partner going. But yeah, he said, you guys, huge GAP havers.

2:06:21Darius Butler:And we yelled it right back at him. Something we own. It would be good to be big. What could the P stand for? Huge. I don't know.

2:06:31Pat McAfee:I don't live to see another day, I guess. Yeah. Man. The Great American National Championship was won last night. Yep. By the Indiana Hoosiers. Uh-huh. That's what it's all about. We're going to go take naps. Yep. It's Tuesday. You know what? I was just thinking, at least it's Friday and we got the weekend. It's fucking Tuesday. Yes, it is. Goddamn.

2:06:55Darius Butler:Yes, it is. Fucking Tuesday time. What are you watching tonight? Everything on TV tonight? You know it is. We spoke with the man himself. Yes, sir. The man that gave$600 ,000 away last night, courtesy of Eckridge Farm. Marty Smith will be hosting TGL tonight, and he is pumped about all of us tuning in.

2:07:14Pat McAfee:Okay. When you said what happened with us and whoever the person was, I really appreciated the intention to pronounce spoked because I've been fucking up a lot of words lately but I don't stay committed through the entire word my brain's just been quitting on these words whenever I'm going you you we spoke to and I fucking loved it I was like yes I fucking love the way you just did it

2:07:47Darius Butler:I don't remember any of the words that came out of my mouth 30 seconds ago.

2:07:49Pat McAfee:Okay.

2:07:51Darius Butler:You're in the moment.

2:07:51Pat McAfee:Well, you spoke about Marty Smith in his Eckridge Farms throw. Yeah. $600 ,000. Guy won three for five. Yeah. Tiny little hole. Not bad. After embarrassing himself, too. Personally. Misses. Then ball slips out of hands. Mental toughness. Murphy's Law was coming in. And then Marty's Law was, I got to show up for these people. What did he say when he first got on the field? Because you guys were really close to him. Yeah, he said something like, How many of y 'all motherfuckers want some free Eckridge smoked sausage? Watch me hug this fucking pig skin. Boom. Boom. Boom. And that was it. It was filthy.

2:08:29Something about colored pencils, I thought. Oh, yeah. 600K, that's a lot of fucking colored pencils for you teachers. Y 'all have a good one. They were playing that over the stadium, weren't they? I didn't think we were. Marty showed up. Big pop. I was in the bathroom.

2:08:46Pat McAfee:I ran to the bathroom and still had my ears in. I was with you. I was next to you. We couldn't see what was going on out there. Oh, we hear his tie going. You guys want some fucking Eckridge sausages? We were dying. AJ and I had no idea. And then we start hearing you guys live commentating this thing during a commercial break. And we missed it. I'm going to be honest. Me and AJ were in a bathroom. AJ had his microphone. I did not have a microphone. so AJ was responding for both of us to the people for the bathroom it was at the urinal with like 10 people behind us had no clue what me and you were dying laughing about it weren't plugged in yeah we can't hear anything that is outside of here and that is an interesting thing whenever you're out in public and you can't hear anything that somebody is saying right here and you definitely need to have it happen people just not knowing that it's happening in the moment I do feel bad for those people I try my best to like acknowledge you know but if you don't make eye contact and you're not listening, there's some terrible situations that can kind of happen right in this area.

2:09:46Pat McAfee:I think. I feel terrible. How about Drew Brees? Yeah, exactly. How about Drew Brees at Rayero?

2:09:52Darius Butler:Some Miami fan called us cocksuckers last night. He did while we were live. He tried to say it in the microphone as he was walking by. It was literally three seconds after the interception and he said, you cocksuckers didn't think we were shit. Is that real? I think it was something along the line it might have been like looks like we were better than you cocksuckers thought and we were kind of like what? what? he was so mad at us

2:10:24Pat McAfee:you guys could have had a sweet moment there can you imagine you take the microphone oh would you like to expand

2:10:30Darius Butler:and the worst part about it was when you were doing the awesome diatribe like the Indiana Hoosiers 100 years so we couldn't really step on that But it could have been because us and Bicey and all the flag runners had our own celebrations after every touchdown. So they saw who we were rooting for.

2:10:47Pat McAfee:Connor, you're doing the no good to the field goal. Ref, Connor, other ref. I mean. That thing was the loudest doink in the history of all. Connor just going crazy. Almost caught a ball, obviously across the bottom. You guys had a lot of action. Then for us, I mean, that block punt happens. Yeah.

2:11:04Darius Butler:Pick was done.

2:11:05Pat McAfee:Six yards in front of us. and Nalkovsky gets a Russian touchdown down. It does feel like we get a chance to be a part of these games, actually in these games. It's crazy. Field pass has been a crazy run. Yeah. Field pass has been a crazy run. It's an awesome view back there. That end zone view, I love it. I love being down there. Yeah, of course, you can't see some things, but it's a great spot to be. I enjoy it. Yeah, and by the national championship, we basically know everybody. Yep. You know the players. You kind of can't anticipate how you're going to attack certain situations. But, yeah, it is.

2:11:36Obviously, it's challenges knowing, you know, they pick up three or six yards, they're down the distance. That Jumbotron operator, it was a little battle there. But outside of that, you're seeing, like, coverages, seeing what the quarterback sees, seeing linebackers flow, all this shit, it's dope.

2:11:53Pat McAfee:It is a lot of fun. Thank you, College Ball. Thank you, College Ball. College Ball has been a hell of a run. We appreciate it immensely. Started with 12. 10 down to 1. Indiana's your national champion.

2:12:12Pat McAfee:We scripted that for the D block. We moved it here to the F block. That's what we do. That's why we... Now, think about Sig. Sorry, think about Sig now. Like, they start their winter workouts in two weeks. What is it? Think about it. Just killing the next group of dudes. Sig actually went through his schedule with us earlier. We FaceTimed him. Hilarious answer. Hilarious answer out of Sig Nettie. Thought there was no chance. I will cold FaceTime people though. Like people know that. Like that is my move. Not expecting an answer. But boy, if somebody pops up on the other side, great to see you.

2:12:44Pat McAfee:This is good times. Did not expect him to answer. Just kind of sitting and talking about how great he is of a coach. He was like, let's fucking see what this guy's going to do. He answers. Great jovial mood, obviously. But he's already, we're already on the next season or whatever. We yell at him. You know, we yell at him. We force him to try to enjoy it for 24 hours at least, you know. But Coach Saban told us it was until he went to bed. And they woke up and it was like, yeah, we got to go get this whole thing. We're behind. You feel like you're behind when you win the national championship. Well, yeah, then the transfer portal thing has already happened.

2:13:15Pat McAfee:You know, like Indiana has won the transfer portal by a lot of accounts. They had to do that while they were preparing for the biggest games of the year at the same time. And Signetti is a big part of both those things. So you start adding those things together. It's like, how do you kind of manage all this? and he said, you know, he's got a great team around him. He will say that immediately. He'll say, hey, obviously, family's amazing. Jeff Keeg's amazing. Scott, the AD, is amazing. Pam Witten's amazing. My coaching staff is the greatest. To your point, he empowers them to do the coaching. It's not really like he is jumping on anybody.

2:13:48Pat McAfee:He says that. But the amount of things he's had to juggle, you know, through it all, which any coach that gets to this point is going to have to do. Dan Lanning talks about it as well. And then immediately after, okay, yeah, you pushed off a lot of shit now because the season's been – so you've got to catch up now to all this other stuff, not just recruiting and when it comes to coaches. There's a lot of outside shit, you know, that, okay, now we've got to kind of check these boxes as well. And it's like, I don't think he gets a good celebration at his national championship for a while. I don't think, and I think he knows that too.

2:14:20Darius Butler:A couple weeks in the summer maybe?

2:14:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, maybe. Maybe in early July, yeah, when the coaches get a couple, you know, 10 days. At some point, you know, it's like, yeah, you got to. Yeah,$2 million bonus, a couple new escalators. He's enjoying that. Amen Corner. He's having built an Amen Corner down there outside. Got a putt and green, got a Amen Corner. We call it, what do we call it, Mendoza? Fernando? Armando? Armando, yeah. Armando, maybe Pond. Maybe he puts a Pond in. Oh, Pond's Pond. That guy hits so hard. So hard. Buck 70. When's he getting drafted? He's awesome. When is he going to get drafted?

2:15:02Darius Butler:If he was three inches taller, he'd be top ten.

2:15:04Pat McAfee:I think he has to declare, right?

2:15:06Darius Butler:He has not declared, but people think he will.

2:15:09Pat McAfee:What year is he?

2:15:10Darius Butler:Junior? True junior? I think he's a redshirt junior.

2:15:15Pat McAfee:Okay, so he's played ball. Witherspoon having a lot of success in Seattle may help his draft position because that was some – I mean, he went at what? I think six overall. So obviously, you know, the NFL and the scouts, everybody's still very high on Witherspoon out of Illinois a couple of – like three years ago. So, Pons, he has his speed. He's physical. He can play the ball, and he will come up and hit. So, I would love to see him, you know, get drafted high and play on the outside if that's where he wants to play.

2:15:40Darius Butler:He also has the second lowest missed tackle percentage. I think it was only 3 % on the season. So, he will tackle, too, which is a huge thing. If you're undersized, he has everything to combat that with how physical and how good of a tackler he is.

2:15:54Pat McAfee:Where is he from?

2:15:55Darius Butler:Miami. By way of JMU? Yeah, one that got away. Yeah. Oh, Jeremiah? Not the only one. Oh, yeah. Oh, Fernando. Oh, Fernando, too. It's going to happen. Oh, no. Who ended the game? Oh, Sharp. Yeah, he said it after the game, too. He's recruiting me.

2:16:14Pat McAfee:Still love home. Gosh. Fernando's saying that all week. Yeah. It's part of it. It's hard to put that you on the helmet. Tony. So good at football. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wonder what the offers are right now. He won't look at him. For real. He's the prince of his promise.

2:16:35Darius Butler:Mom already tweeted, this is home. Tunnel vision.

2:16:38Pat McAfee:Mom said that?

2:16:39Darius Butler:Mom said. Cabos.

2:16:41Pat McAfee:What if somebody says, baby Jesus, I'd like to bless you, actually. Yeah. So we'd love to get you on our football team. Maybe some old money have her down there in Texas. And Jesus came here, he was on a clear mission. He didn't get sidetracked, didn't get focused. What did Chuck you say, blinders? Yeah, but. He's got blinders on. I mean he did get distracted right Cause Where did the Italians They Hmm No he stuck to the course Came here Did what he had to do Yeah but he got taken a different way Put in a cave On back Rose No that wasn't Wasn't the Italians There's a chance IU Sig Sig goes down there And says You wanna be a fucking winner or what That portal still open right now Come home Five days for

2:17:28Darius Butler:Everyone It's closed for everyone else. Miami and I, you have five days. Oh.

2:17:35Pat McAfee:Baby Jesus is staying in Miami. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely. What quarterback do you got, Gokes?

2:17:41Darius Butler:That Duke quarterback is supposed to go through. There's rumblings happening right now. Darien Mensah. Yeah.

2:17:45Pat McAfee:Okay. How much is Malachi Tony, like, player paid nowadays in the NIL? Do we know? I got no clue. He's getting re-upped, right? He'll get re-upped, won't he?

2:17:54Darius Butler:Oh, wide receiver of his talents that young? Probably somewhere between one and two.

2:18:02Pat McAfee:So if somebody comes in and says, hey,$4 million,$5 million a year, two-year,$10 million, two-year,$10 million, come play wide receiver here. You don't think Baby Jesus is going to say, wait a minute, I can walk on water right that way?

2:18:13Darius Butler:Yeah. Yeah, but if he goes somewhere else, you don't have E.D. Reid in a big hat cheering you up after losses.

2:18:19Pat McAfee:I'll tell you, Ray Lewis and Carson Beck's face right before trying to go out there and win that is fucking good, dude. Okay, enough of this shit. That lineup It was insane It was awesome You forget about some of the old whites Jimmy Johnson just roaming in Vinny Tessaverde The Rock calling in from Jumanji That's right His quads That was crazy Unbelievable How does he do that He has no body for that Lifts heavyweights Lifts heavyweights That's how you got to get there I don't know what he's absolutely jacked and shredded. How big and ripped he is, he's a different human. He's got to cramp all the time, right?

2:19:05Pat McAfee:I don't know how the body works but it looked like his right quad was cramping the whole time. Is he cutting for a competition or something? He does look like a body builder. He looks like he is in competition week right now. Yeah. Does he not cramp? He did lose a lot of weight, so he has been leaner, right, for whatever roles he takes.

2:19:28Darius Butler:He's the final boss. That's true. He's like, what, 50-something years old? Is that right?

2:19:33Pat McAfee:He is the final boss, yes. Remember? You can feel it.

2:19:40Darius Butler:Cameraman. See?

2:19:44Pat McAfee:Rock is awesome. Does he always have goosebumps?

2:19:48Darius Butler:Yeah. When you're that shredded, they just always come out. They have no fat to hide underneath because that's what goosebumps do. So they're just always there. That's the greatest.

2:19:57Pat McAfee:Rock. We needed him. Hey, I know genetics-wise you're probably way ahead of the game than us. We would like to know how we get those quads. Just everything, actually. Just send on over everything that we got to do. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to complete it because I assume it's going to involve more than 90 minutes a day in the gym every single day. I think seven days a week. I think he's probably at least in there an hour and a half, maybe two hours. Is that what we're expecting? He's got to be eating perfect as well. He's not, dude. Cheat meals. No, that's once a week. Well, yeah, once a week.

2:20:33Pat McAfee:Six or seven times a day, I assume he's eating some sort of meal. Yeah, probably. He's got the protein pancakes and stuff like that that he – I don't know if those are a part of the day-to-day. I assume that is grilled chicken coming in. Quinoa. Probably broccoli. Mm-hmm. Some avocado. What do you eat? rice and chicken, right, every day? Every meal? Not every day, but I enjoy rice and beans. Had some of those last night. Delicious. What was it last night? The chicharron was... You guys had chicharron? It was very good. Warmed it up twice. The food that we had at the beginning, ass. Maybe the most ass-cheek spread we'd ever had on any particular plane.

2:21:16Pat McAfee:I actually said that. This is boob. Yeah, you did. I am hungry as shit. This is a poop spread right here. What are we doing? Can't have it. Did not tell the plane or the flight attendant. Just internal thoughts were thinking outside. Man, I was real excited to eat this food. I'm very hungry, you know? And then it rolls out. It's like, this is poop. Literally, I know the emptiness of the setup was some homemade Cuban food was coming out. We had plates. And a cafecito? So good. No cafecito. We did have a couple coffees on there, though. So, you know, that whole thing. Plates with... It felt like somebody brought it out of their fucking kitchen.

2:21:55Pat McAfee:It was so good. So good. That sounds nice. Plantains? Yeah, there were plantains.

2:22:01Darius Butler:We had plantains on there. That sounds wonderful.

2:22:05Pat McAfee:We had some pork, I think. Was that pork they were eating? That's what the chicharron is, pork belly. And then there was chicken and onions on this other one. Perfectly cooked. And then it was reheated every time. I mean, it was...

2:22:17Darius Butler:Sounds like you guys had a good time.

2:22:19Pat McAfee:It was a good time, actually. Yeah, I feel like we did talk a lot about, you know, college football season wrapping up. College football maybe as a whole, you know, like. Yeah. It was a good, yeah. Got late, though, quick. Yes, it did. I mean, that thing got real late, and then all of a sudden everybody's eyes got real heavy in that plane. Connor and Ty sit next to each other at the table, you know. That's our seat. Yeah. We had, like, head on shoulder, head on head.

2:22:43Darius Butler:Who sat across from Ty?

2:22:45Pat McAfee:Bone.

2:22:45Darius Butler:Son of a bitch. Yeah, you're telling me. Got those fucking big fat legs all. I mean, I basically had this. And this is no disrespect to Bone. The big fat legs was a little bit of a shot. I basically had to sit cross-legged on my seat the entire window. Criss-cross applesauce? Yeah, exactly. Because Bone was just. But the food was so good. Yeah, the chicharron kept me coming back for more. So that was all right. But they were cuddling, you know.

2:23:13Pat McAfee:They were kind of cuddling on the seat.

2:23:15Darius Butler:Did you hear about earlier in the day who was cuddling?

2:23:16Pat McAfee:No, who was it?

2:23:18Darius Butler:There were some naps taken and there were some boys sharing a bed together. I don't want to say who it is. I don't want to out them. There's nothing wrong with this, boys.

2:23:25Pat McAfee:Nothing wrong with this.

2:23:25Darius Butler:They were pretty close to each other.

2:23:27Pat McAfee:I like that we were making the most of the amount of space that we had. All right. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll never know. We'll never know. I'm happy you guys took a little snooze. I'll tell you what, yesterday just kind of all blended in. then all of a sudden walking down the sideline to start the national championship game of course then jake paul standing there jake just right there as you're going there's a camera right here and then jake paul standing right next to the camera person face at the same place as the camera and i'm talking to it i mean i have to address this right like i don't know nobody at home sees this obviously but i gotta talk to jake nice to see jake yeah he's moving he's mine He's talking a lot.

2:24:15Pat McAfee:It felt like he was pretty comfortable. Just bought, what, 40 ,000 acres or something? He's got this new, like, fantasy land. I have no idea what it is. This dude, he's a hustler, a businessman, and committed to boxing. Has he not been much more committed to boxing than I think anybody has given him credit for?

2:24:35Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:24:36Pat McAfee:We talked to him at the beginning of this journey. Remember, he was like, I found the thing that I am supposed to do that helps me be who I'm supposed to be, He'd teach me so many life lessons. He did his whole thing at the beginning of his boxing run. And then now it's like, what, 10 years later? He's still eight years later? Not even. Seven years, whatever it is. Every day of this guy's life, he'd been committing just to boxing and boxing. It's like he could do so many other things. He's already wealthy. He's invested in so many things. He's done. He's, like, committed to boxing. It's like I'm fascinated by the Paul brothers.

2:25:02Pat McAfee:And Jake, I don't know how he's on the field for the national championship, but, fuck, he was almost in the end zone for the whole thing. Yeah. And he was talking. I thought he was going to be right through the wall. I thought that's who I was going to be talking to. I was like, no, he's pretty good. Good for him in his recovery. He looked cool, though. He had those fucking... Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was he talking about my jacket for?

2:25:22Darius Butler:Yeah. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

2:25:25Pat McAfee:Got that jacket from David Allen in October as soon as I saw it. Natty. That's national championship there. Then when I looked at it to take it to national championship, I was like, this seems a little loud. National championship in Miami. Miami. To Bolak. Shout out to Tim Tebow

2:25:42Darius Butler:Next year's in Vegas So plan your outfit now One week later Than this year So that's awesome One week later So is there another January 25th Somehow next week

2:26:02Pat McAfee:Didn't even happen I don't know what's going on

2:26:05Darius Butler:It's bullshit

2:26:07Pat McAfee:I don't like the fucking bullshit happening with the negotiation for what the college football playoff can be it's like i hope we're not at the stage of the college football playoff where we're already trying to back end deals and holding up actual deals that can make the college football playoff better you know now granted i don't know if that's exactly what's happening with every rule that could potentially be changed like the champions are they automatically getting in top five rank ones i don't know if that conversation is getting affected by like well we want it to be 16 and then And Petiti is allegedly saying from the Big Ten conference, I guess the champion conference.

2:26:42I'm trying to say what they want to say right now.

2:26:43Pat McAfee:Yes, Petiti knows that. I guess he's got Thor's hammer in there. He does. He knows that in that conversation. I would like there to be a guarantee it's going to 24 if it's going to 16. It's like, are we already at the stage of making, like, future guarantees and a deal to make something better? Like, I don't. And is 16 teams the right answer? I'm not saying it is. I'm not saying it's right. Nick Saban said, we just need the right 12.

2:27:02Darius Butler:12 is pretty cool, yeah. For like the last two years, we got it right in the natty. Yeah.

2:27:07Pat McAfee:Best two teams. 12 teams, 16 teams, 24 teams. There's going to be two to three teams that we're all going to see very quickly. Bang, boom, boom, boom. They're probably going to do it. Ole Miss fighting against Miami the way they did, that was a surprise to me. Especially after watching what Miami did with Indiana. It's like that Ole Miss team deserves a lot of credit. Yeah, I didn't expect them to beat Georgia. Exactly. Yeah, Winadad's real deal. Do we have any updates on if he's going? I told him at the Flo Rida party.

2:27:35Darius Butler:When did that? Was there?

2:27:36Pat McAfee:Yeah, it was cool. Came up. Nice chance to chat with him. I think he had family with him. I mean, we're post Flo Rida concert. Yeah. This is post-Talk on stage at Flo Rida. Waiting for Talk to exit stage, sign autographs, get back to where we are so we can leave. Yep. Trinidad's. Is Talk still with us when he needs Flo Rida? I think he was recruited him, I guess. Yeah, he's been commenting to the Instagram boys and the official Flo Router page. So I think he is kind of working an angle. Trinidad comes over, though, and I don't know him. Just felt obligated, you know, to tell him. Like, hey, if you don't get to six a year, you look like an NFL guy.

2:28:17Pat McAfee:Not that my opinion matters, but I'm just telling you, watching you play. First thing I'm saying to this guy is just, hey, Trinidad, nice to meet you. Somebody brings him up, hey, he wants to meet you. Very nice to meet you, dude. Not that my opinion matters. Just immediately right in. I don't know how long we're going to be talking. I need to let you know that we feel this way. You look like an NFL guy whenever you're playing against Miami. You're throwing the spots. Obviously, your competitive juice and stamina, your leadership, like it felt like you knew what you were doing. I think in my eyes, you look like an NFL guy whenever you're playing against a Miami defense.

2:28:49Pat McAfee:So if you don't get to six-year, it doesn't fucking matter. He goes, oh, thanks, man. I'm like, yeah, no problem. All right. See you later. That was the entirety of the conversation. And it's like, I don't need to be the one to make you feel justified with anything, but I just thought he needed to hear from outside the source. Like, hey, bud, I think you might be a fucking Sunday guy, which he probably has been told because you're a state guy, you know, you're a little undersized. Maybe a lot of people have told him, like, yeah, college is – you're a college guy, you're a college guy. It's like, I saw some shit that I thought, maybe he could be – maybe good backup, maybe get an opportunity.

2:29:21Pat McAfee:I mean, who knows when he could be on there. He can spin it. Got the athleticism, and he can definitely spin it. In the biggest moments, I feel like we saw him bring out the best ball. So, absolutely, Sunday guy, in my opinion. Now, granted, if he could play another year at Ole Miss, I mean, he's going to fucking cook that. Yeah. But can the SEC ever beat the North? Doesn't look like it. No. Cheating. You heard it, Coach. You heard it, Saban. He didn't say it was cheating. He just said it was a little different.

2:29:44Darius Butler:No, he said it's all legal now, actually. They were. Oh, so.

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