PMS 2.0 1531 - The Masters Preview, Quentin Richardson, Jason Kelce LIVE From The Masters, Jeff Passan, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

14:53I've never seen that in a game where a team is trying so hard to tank that they start fouling while they're winning. That was crazy to me. When I saw that, I was like, nah, this is definitely going to get Adam Silver's attention right here.

15:08Pat McAfee:Yeah, just whether that's a call down or somebody on the bench saying it, but somebody just being like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's win, but not by too much. This is kind of like corndogs, Jackie. Corndogs for the entire thing, trying to sabotage a little bit. We are trying to gain a couple percentages in the draft lottery. We want to be able to have 8 % chance to get the number one overall pick as opposed to 6.8 % chance of getting. Look, the referee don't quite understand. This was nasty work, what was going on. This was bad. This was not good. Like, just look at their faces. They, like, he's intentionally fouling.

15:42Like, nobody understands what's happening. But, like you said, I feel like the message was sent. I don't know if it was from up top or from the bench or something, but they said, hey, hey, hey, we don't need to do it. Now, like, go in there and do something. Get something done.

15:55Pat McAfee:Hey, Q. Rich, real quick. Nick, honestly, this year it feels like it's more blatant, obviously. I mean, this would be the most blatant of all time. But it feels like it's much more blatant now. Everybody is trying to get a higher percentage for the draft lottery, and nobody really gets that high of a percentage in the draft lottery, right? Like, this is all very low numbers, single digits, up to like 12 % or 13%. I forget what it is. That is literally what this is all about, is just trying to get a high draft pick and hoping that you can get a superstar player from your understanding. And how long has this been happening in the NBA?

16:25Pat McAfee:Because I think what I've heard from some places, from our source, says in different places, you know, basically these teams are like, we can never get a superstar here unless we draft a superstar. Because free agency has become, we're only going to pick to what place we're going to go. And then whenever you get traded to a place, you work a new contract, so you're there for however long. And then until you pick, you want to go somewhere else. It's like some of these places, like, we're not sure that we're ever just going to get picked unless we draft somebody that people are going to want to come play with.

16:52Pat McAfee:So the draft is their only hope, really. Is that basically the problem in a nutshell? And is it fixable, you think? And has it always been an issue in your eyes, Q? I think it's something that's kind of always been there. And I do believe it's fixable. I'm not the guy that's got the answers for it. But I do think it can be fixed. But I think it's always been something that's always happened. I think the difference between this year and probably most other years is that we've never had this many teams doing it at once. And I think it's a combination, you know, like a lot of teams are doing well, different circumstances as to why.

17:28But I think when you look at this draft, people are projecting these guys to really be a deep draft and one of the better drafts in a long time and possibly in the history. They got some some really talented young guys, some freshmen, some other guys are mixed in there that are really good players. And these guys are supposed to be able to come in and change some franchises. So now I think this season in particular, we've seen more of it because of the depth of this draft and how good it is projected to be.

17:53Pat McAfee:We'll see how it is long term for all these teams. Everybody says Oklahoma City did it. And look what they're about to do now. They're about to run. And look what they're about to do. OK, so let's talk about the West then, as we should. Steph Curry comes back the other night and goes off 29 and whatever. There was a real conversation like, hey, maybe Golden State gets in. And if Steph's playing, you know, anything can happen. What should we be thinking at the bottom of the West? And is this all top-heavy inevitably at the end of the playoffs? Yeah, in the West, I feel like it's really top-heavy.

18:24I feel like, you know, you may have one of those bottom teams that can get hot and do something. But I feel like those top teams, I mean, not so much of the Lakers anymore, depending on what happens with Reeves and obviously Luka. Those are, you know, two huge pieces of what they do. But, I mean, those top three, and, I mean, you could even throw Minnesota and Houston in there. They're going to be pretty tough. But I feel bad for J-Red, man, with the injuries that came down when they did and the timing and the way they had been playing leading up to that. That was crazy, unfortunate, for the Lakers.

19:00Pat McAfee:Yeah, and watching LeBron, you know, have to try to carry it there at the end is obviously going to be something. That'll be fun. But Luka going down with the season that he's had until the end of Reg, and then Austin Reeves as well when they were kind of becoming the tandem star. You know, not that LeBron James will ever not be the biggest star on the court when he's on the court, which everybody needs to remember. That doesn't mean he's the leader of the team, but he's definitely the biggest star. Austin and Luka seemingly developed a great relationship and were becoming the stars of the Lakers.

19:29Pat McAfee:And all of a sudden, they both go, Don, J.J. Redick might have to put his ass out there. Yeah. You know, J.J. Redick might have to get his ass out there and start bopping some wood down the stretch here. LeBron has been spectacular, though. He's 41. This is the end of the season. It's crazy. Let's just make sure we respect the hell out of that. Now, they've made rules to adapt the NBA, to make sure players are playing, and we're not doing any resting or load management every single night when fans are paying to come watch. But now we've kind of fallen into an interesting predicament for it all.

20:02Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Ty.

20:03Jeff Passan:Yeah, Q Rich, to that point, the other night, Wemby had that vicious, vicious collision that maybe, you know, who knows how long he's going to be out for. We don't know.

20:14Pat McAfee:Kurech, he said he would never watch the NBA again if Wemby doesn't play in the next four games to get the 65th game, which I think leads to this.

20:22Jeff Passan:Exactly. What are your thoughts on, like, the 65-game stipulations? Because obviously Wemby was going to win Defensive Player of the Year. There's a chance he has to sit out, and he'll be sitting at 64 games, so he won't be eligible for that. so you know not only for legacy but financial implications like it seems like it's kind of bullshit and circ in certain circumstances because he was the runaway you know defensive player of the year so what what is your opinion on the the 65 game kind of stipulation for these guys for all nba and awards and all that kind of stuff it's a it's a hard spot because like you say it's certain guys like when you look at a luca situation when he had to go for the birth this kid and then uh now he gets that at the end he would already be at 65 he didn't miss the two for that but i mean when you look at it i understand it i understand 100 why adam silver and the nba instituted and put it in because it was getting out of hand with guys with the low management guys missing nationally television televised games and then just missing games in general on the road when his fans pony up money or save up or come from far to be at a certain game and then they get there and you're not there, that's not good.

21:29So I understand that part of it. But like you say, in these certain situations, and I don't know the answer to that because it's like it's a case-by-case situation. There's certain people out there that you miss so many games. You can't be there. But there's certain people like a Luka or if something happened where Wimby doesn't play, these guys are right there. Luka's clearly a first-team All-NBA guy. Wimby's clearly the defensive player of the year and up there for MVP and first-team All-NBA and all these different things. So that 65-game limit, I feel like the players, we in constitution with, you know, whatever the trainers were suggesting and all that stuff, we brought it on ourselves getting in this situation by guys missing too many games.

22:10And now this is a situation that we have to deal with. And sadly, like you say, it will impact some of the guys' final career tallies. You know, some guys are going to miss out on awards or all NBA teams, and that goes on your resume at the end of your career. So that sucks, for real.

22:27Pat McAfee:I mean, Wemby just did a left-handed windmill there that took the ball from the free throw line to the hoop. We assume he's going to win a lot of MVPs. We assume he's going to win a lot of Defense Player of the Year. We assume he's going to get paid billions of dollars throughout his career. But whenever you start looking at, like, what the NBA has now forced themselves into the position of being here with the 65 games thing, you have to wonder if they can make an adjustment on the fly. But if you make an adjustment on the fly, then you're setting precedent for everything going forward. Like, could they put, like, a little jury together that votes?

22:59Pat McAfee:Like, hey, did this person actually get screwed? Or were they? I hope not. Like, could Adam Silver and a couple others in the NBA League office put in there that a vote can be done if 65 is not reached but above 60 is reached on whether or not it was legit or whatever? For just this year, could they potentially do that? No, because then next year something will happen, and they'll have to vote on something, and they'll give it to somebody. They won't give it to somebody else. We've kind of brought it upon ourselves that there can't be an answer either because we will kill them if there's any hypocrisy in the answer.

23:34Pat McAfee:So it's an interesting little spot. It truly is. I don't know how they figure it out.

23:38Jeff Passan:Well, and if they drop it to 60 games this year because of all that thing, then next year do they drop it to 55 because one of me gets to 57 games. Exactly. They can't change anything. You can't change anything. The one thing I would say I am confident in is that, you know, Adam Silver and everybody up there in the front office, they're going to do whatever it takes to get it fixed. I mean, I think they've shown that the ability to be able to adjust different things, make changes like they – you know, you saw what they did with All-Star. They're not afraid to go against the tradition and, you know, whatever it takes to make the situation the best.

24:11So I feel like if there is an answer and they can come to one, I think those guys will put their heads together and figure it out.

24:19Pat McAfee:I respect Adam Silver and his brain. I respect it. Yeah, I do. I appreciate it. The deal he was able to get done in the world that we're in right now with how many different partners he was able to get it done with, with everybody being copacetic, while also understanding the digital side of it good. There's always going to be attacks, though. We can't be having 25-point spreads and then that team lose in the NBA in 2026. Adam Silver knows he has a lot of adversity every single year with something he has to figure out, and they have to figure out. That's every league. I believe he'll be able to do it, but boy, if it seems like you're screwing your guys now, right?

24:53Pat McAfee:I'm not saying that, but that it can be an angle. And old buddy's not able to be up for like a massive super max, and it's like$50,$70 million difference because got an actual injury at this time. Yeah. Now you start getting into like the, oh. They should get rid of that rule, though. that impacts the supermax because you got media people and all these different people who play a huge role in that. You're dealing with money now. The accolades and awards, that's one thing. Those are important as well, but$50,$70 million, like that's... Yeah, there's just big swings in what deals can be. If you stay home, if you go elsewhere, what it could be here, they've seemingly got a science to it all.

25:31Pat McAfee:But it is... Hey, good luck, Adam. Good luck, Adam. I want to see players playing when I buy a ticket. That's right. Adam. Okay? Yeah, but Mike, Our guys are actually hurt. Remember, these guys are 7 '4 and 6 '11. Maybe they operate a little. Your bodies are a little bit differently than yours. They're running on wood. We understand that people have been able to do it in the past. We're also surprised by that. I don't care. I want to see Luka. Luka literally has a torn hamstring right now. All right, tape it up. I bought a ticket. I want to see him. And then there's the time in the past that every fan that feels like this can go to.

26:03Pat McAfee:I remember when they were just sitting on the sideline, 100 % healthy, glasses on, jumping up, not playing, choosing not to play. That was just a few years ago. And I think you said something very interesting. You said whether it was under the guise of athletic trainers telling them what they should do or, like, maybe even teams telling them they should do it, players just kind of following along with it, and then now it's being held against players completely. And now it makes – interesting world. Interesting world that we've kind of fallen ourselves into. Go ahead. Well, you were an athlete, right?

26:29So think about it this way. I feel like back when I played, whatever injury me and my teammates would get, the trainers will ask us the question is like do you think you can play now you know what that means to any athlete like the first thing you want to say is hell yeah i can play right that's the first thing that you you wired to say now think about when the question turns to uh i don't think you can go i don't think you should go like if the trainer tells you that what does that do to your mind then you have doubt somewhere so it's like the somewhere along the line that the language has changed and i've talked to some of these current players and it's like they if you get something or something shows up they trying to manage the injury and like you may not even be hurt i've seen guys miss games because of this injury management like what does that mean i didn't that i didn't understand that like it's like you know i call games for the magic and we get the sheets and see different things from both teams and who's in and who's out and the reasons why and i sit down looking at the my guy dante market like dante like what is what is this like we didn't we didn't do those type of things i think it's like progressively with all of the awareness and everything it's kind of it's kind of softened the situation to be honest you know i'm saying like we weren't giving those soft outs to be taken when we were playing and they're

27:48Pat McAfee:just gonna and by they i'm gonna say the people that are gonna counter you and say it's better it's like well we didn't have that information at the time or we would have let you know that same exact thing now we have the information so we have to act accordingly is what they hey it's like do we i don't know the crazy thing with all the new information and all the new science and everything to go to it it seems like we played more games without all the help that they got they got anything under the sun for recovery and everything else and we were more available i feel like well so then that goes into the entire like do you think you have to be a little bit callous do you think your body is a muscle and your life is a muscle and you have to go through some stuff to toughen it up and mental toughness also a part of this whole thing and whenever you give out so you're losing out on that, let alone the side of your body where you have to deal with some pain and move forward, which is sports and work.

28:32Pat McAfee:A lot of deep societal questions. Yeah. You know, because then transfer portal. Yeah. What's that? Paul George spoke with that a couple years ago when he said that, you know, like when he first came into the league, training camp and different things were harder. You know, we had two-a-days, real two-a-days. Now two-a-days is not two-a-days. It's one-a-day and the other day. The second practice is just a walkthrough, non-content and none of this. It's like, so it's difficult for you to build that callus. Like, you think about it. How are these guys going to play games in a season if they're not training to play games in a season?

29:02What are we doing, K.

29:03Pat McAfee:Rich? Got to push it to the max. That's what used to happen. You had real tour days where you went in there twice a day and you got busy and your body got prepared for that war. Well, I appreciate what you guys have done. I appreciate the players today, and I appreciate the science coming in. But also, we got to remember, maybe the human body gets stronger through adversity. you know, maybe that's something that science could potentially showcase from the past with years and years of research that we had going into it. Now, let's talk about the game, shall we, quickly, because if we don't hit the playoffs, obviously, especially on the East, we'd look like complete assholes here on ESPN.

29:37Pat McAfee:So on that note, D-Butt has a question for you. Yeah, you kind of talked about the West a little bit. On the East, the Celtics are their favorite, even though the Pistons are the ones to you. They're their favorites to come out of the East. How do you feel more comfortable taking the Celtics or the field? I like the Cavs, where they're doing hard and obviously the Pistons and then even the Knicks can get high. Hornets are hot, too. Hornets as well, yeah. Actually, I'm with that. I like the Celtics. I feel like what they had done prior to JT even coming back, the outlook, the way that Missoula attacked the season, the way that JB prepared and the rest of the guys took offense to people saying it would be a down year and their whole mentality about this season and Tatum's mentality about being able to get himself back and to come back the way that he has come back, I can't do anything but look at them and say they're the favorites because I felt they had a strong chance even before JT came back and the way that he's been able to come back and fit in seamlessly and be averaging a double-double and being able to, you know, JB hasn't waned at all.

30:40Everything is still firing on all cylinders. So I got to take them as the favorite right now.

30:45Pat McAfee:I love what I'm seeing from Jason Tatum because it tells me Tyrese Halliburton is going to be back better than ever next year for the Indiana Pacers. Hey, when we're doing the MVP conversation, I know he played zero games this year, but game seven of the finals last year, no Tyrese Halliburton, probably going to be in a lottery this year. You think Halliburton? Top four. Halliburton, pretty valuable. I think we can all describe that. But on that, Tatum's recovery from the Achilles is going to be studied by people in all sports. Yeah. Because remember, whenever Aaron Rodgers goes down, he starts doing research on all sports.

31:17Pat McAfee:Whenever Tyrese and Tatum go down, everybody's starting doing research on all sports. The fact that he's as mobile as he is with as much, what's that called? Flexibility, I guess would be the word, but there's a... Pliability. Pliability there. The pliability of it all is just crazy because usually guys are a little stiff whenever they come back. The fact that he's been able to seamlessly run on wood while being smooth, crazy. Shout out to him. There's so much work done behind the scenes to get to that point. And we hopefully know that Tyrese is doing the same damn thing. Q Rich, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother.

31:45Pat McAfee:Have a great weekend. Yes, sir. Anytime, fellas. You know the golf at all? Do you know the golf? I'm learning the golf. I was at TPC, TFC, what is it, Sawgrass not too long. So I did an event, me and D Miles there. So I'm getting into it. I got my own set of clubs. I'm getting up to speed. QB out there for the vibes. Yeah, it's great. Hey, look, D-butt, D-butt, you already know. That's what you got to do. Like, you know, I'm not going to be the best golfer, but you're going to have a damn good time if I'm part of your force. I know that. Hey, all right. We'll see you out there. You're the man.

32:17Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, Q Rich. Yeah, Q Rich. Imagine those clubs. He's got to get hockey. Mass. Yeah. Yes. Actually, eight feet. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, live from the Masters, boots on the ground during the Par 3 contest. Here as we are quickly approaching 2026 Masters Tournament action, which obviously tees off tomorrow morning. First time getting a chance to cover this incredible, iconic golf tournament. Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Kelsey.

32:45Jeff Passan:Yay, Kelsey!

32:49Pat McAfee:Hell yeah.

32:52Jason Kelce:There we go. What's up, Pat? Always good to talk to some yinzers. Thanks for having me on, guys.

32:56Pat McAfee:Hey, thank you for dropping the yinzer in there. I do believe you're actually roaming the course, so we have a live-view satellite, so there is a little bit of a delay between your lips and your voice, but we want to thank you for taking time. How is it out there? How are the vibes?

33:13Jason Kelce:The vibes are great. This part three contest is something I've been learning a lot about. And it's very family-oriented fun. The fact that they hold this the day before potentially the biggest event of the year, the Masters, they're going to come out here and play a part three contest is remarkable. I mean, you couldn't imagine doing this before a Super Bowl, going out and playing like a flag football game or something like that. And these guys sign up for it. And it's because it's special. So it's because it's unique, right? They get to enjoy this day with their families. Kids are being hitting shots.

33:43Jason Kelce:Kids are going to be in the bunkers. So I'm looking forward to it.

33:46Pat McAfee:You've become an incredible, obviously, football analyst, sports personality, obviously great dad, husband, brother, podcaster. Can you be a golf analyst for us real quick? Who's swinging it well right now? Who do we need to potentially look at maybe getting a dub this weekend, Jason?

34:07Jason Kelce:Well, listen, I got fortunate to meet a couple of these guys down at TGL last week. And Winmu Lee, I'm a huge fan of his right now. Ludwig Oberg, I hope he can kind of get back on it after that last Sunday at the Players. Always a fan of Scottie. I mean, there's so many great players out there, but those are probably the guys I'm looking at. I don't know if I am. I appreciate you guys having my back earlier this week. That was awesome of y 'all. I enjoy the sport and I'm excited to be out here and keep taking it in. Yeah, I mean. Most awesome events that is put on every year.

34:42Pat McAfee:Yeah, and amen on that, brother. I mean, I get attacked for everything. We get attacked for everything. Obviously, you fall into that lane of getting attacked. Just, you know, we're a little bit different than I think what people are most seeing. And also, I assume you have this in your life as well. There's some people that I know just don't like me. And I don't like them either. And that's just kind of how it is. So whenever you're put on television, those people still exist. You know, those people still exist. out there. So we are proud of you, man. Keep crushing everything. We're pumped that you got the opportunity to be there because obviously how prestigious it is.

35:10Pat McAfee:Now, speaking of that, we know you're a fan of the game. We know you're an athlete. We know you're considered greatest center of all time. How about on the sticks? Go ahead, Tom.

35:18Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jason, you look good in the great all-white caddy suit there. Obviously, you talked about the kids and the family members hitting tee shots. Is there any chance that you think any of the golfers today will ask you to hit a tee shot? And are you prepared for that situation?

35:35Jason Kelce:Well, I am in the caddy attire. I will be carrying bags. I will be offering up green reading, per se. Hopefully the players will not be taking any of my advice in that regard. But, you know, we'll see what happens. I think I might potentially find myself with a stick in my hand. Don't know if I deserve that in some ways. But, listen, if the opportunity comes, I'm going to take it. You'd be disrespecting the place to say no. The last thing that I'm most looking forward to today, though, is watching. That's right. And I'm most looking forward to seeing Frankie Fleetwood hit one here on 9 later in the day.

36:11Jason Kelce:I think that's the storyline that everybody's geared up for. So, yeah, that's what we'll see how it goes.

36:17Pat McAfee:Okay, well, I want to let you know, you hit a hole-in-one, you should do the bull dance. You do whatever you need to do out there. And I think every hole is obviously hole-in-one-able. And you say you don't deserve it or whatever. Could you imagine how rude you would be as a guest to say no to a shot? You'd be the most disrespectful Yankee of all time down there in the southern paradise.

36:41Jason Kelce:1 ,000%. I'm not refusing anything. Whatever the fine people here at Augusta National Golf Course Club would love me to do, I will do. I am not going to cross any lines at all. I know there's plenty of viral videos out there of Buffalo Bills games and all these things. The Hawaiian cutoff is not making it to Augusta. I can firmly tell you that. Would have been a – you trying a little bit would have been quite a –

37:09Pat McAfee:yelling at people's backs. Oh, my gosh. Banned forever. Who knows if we ever see – I don't think that's the place to do it. But you talked about everything down there at Augusta. Connor has a question for you.

37:20Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jason, great to see you down there. You definitely fit the course, and it's great to see, you know, kind of one of the football guys down there too. It just makes the place more better, more humble, more of an experience for golf people. But have you tried the pimento cheese sandwich? Have you done the kind of restaurant area kind of thing? Because I know that is a big point of contention when it comes to the place. And, you know, how would you spend your$15 questions like that?

37:49Jason Kelce:I mean, listen,$15 goes a long way here. at the Masters. I mean, the pimento cheese sandwich, I think it's$1.50, and it is one of my favorites as well. We got, which one, is this a pimento cheese? Yeah, that's the one I like to roll with right here. The egg salad is another favorite. A lot of discrepancy on which one is better. I'm more of a pimento guy myself. But$15, you can get proud, I mean, you can get like six or seven sandwiches. Ooh, whoa. They keep the prices low here. They could gouge you, but they don't because they're good people. Exactly.

38:18Pat McAfee:That's right. You're good people, great people.

38:20Jason Kelce:that you would do anything, whatever.

38:24Pat McAfee:That's a good sell day. I love that. Are there beers down there? Do these Southerns drink down there or no?

38:32Jason Kelce:Oh, yeah. Beers will not be consumed by me during the event today. What? But there are plenty of beers. I saw a fine lady double fisting over there in between 7 and 8. I think there's footage of Josh Allen at the tournament a few years back had the cups stacked up. So, yeah, there are beverages galore, and those are also cheap.

38:53Pat McAfee:I didn't know they were doing that down there in Augusta. Oh, yeah. I didn't know they were boozing down there in Augusta. I like that a lot. D-Bot has a question for you, Jason. Obviously, you're out there watching the pros, but how is your game coming along since retiring? I've been seeing you, watching you take it more seriously. How's the game coming along? What are you playing right now? Who have you been playing with?

39:22Jason Kelce:Listen, I've been playing with my brother. Obviously, he's in his offseason, so we got down in Florida. We're getting after it a little bit. Every time I think I've got to figure it out, there's something else that goes wrong. It's like, okay, now, okay, just do this, okay? And then I'm striping it for...

39:37Pat McAfee:Oh, we lost him.

39:38Jason Kelce:The game is in a spot where I think it's getting better, but every time I look at my score, it reminds me that I'm not.

39:47Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's golf, brother. I retired from the game last year. I put the sticks down 13, 14 months. I couldn't do it anymore. I was working at it. It got worse. Then all of a sudden, I started making putts with this thing. This thing right here, Jason. I just want three or four down here. What do you got? I made 10. It's a Spider-X 250 plus. You'll find everybody's using this thing, I believe. It makes putts for you. This thing, it has some. Tim Burchett was talking about this type of technology whenever he was on TMZ. Sure. Just from this one right here. It's technology. It finds the hole for you.

40:20Pat McAfee:It's otherworldly. I have no idea how it works, but golf's a lot more fun when this is working. Okay, we've got to let you get back to your job here. Can we ask you one final question, Mr. Kelsey?

40:33Pat McAfee:Anything, Pat. Why is there so much drama in Philadelphia around the Eagles all the time? Why is there always drama over there? Do you have an answer for that? Do you think you know why? Yeah.

40:45Jason Kelce:Well, I think that there's always drama when they are losing or not living up to the expectations. I think that has always been the case. Conveniently, when you are winning and playing really well, there happens to be not so much drama. The media attention in Philadelphia is incredible, right? It's a massive metropolitan area. There's beat writers in there every single day getting news and storylines and sources. it's endless. And when the season doesn't go well, everything gets magnified, right? Everybody's weakness or one thing here, everything gets picked apart. And quite honestly, everybody's trying to, you know, salvage that the reason the season didn't go well wasn't them, whether it's coaches, players, front office, like across the board, that's kind of just how it works, especially in Philadelphia with an insatiable fan base.

41:37Jason Kelce:You're always the number one ticket in town. they are have an endless desire for that content um and while that breeds some of the most awesome moments of my life and and fandom and incredible uh things that i get to experience as a player who played there for a long time it is when you're losing you better be mentally strong and and able to overcome a lot of that stuff and firmly know who you are and confident in your abilities um so yeah it's it's it's quite a bit right now i know there's a story about Jalen that came out earlier either this week or last week and I think that you know my overall thing is you know especially with Jalen what quarterback doesn't want to run their stuff you know this has kind of been a semblance of things that have been coming out over multiple years but all of a sudden now it's reached this point where there's however many sources in there and I think it's very coincidental that it comes when the season and everything don't go the way they want and people are getting fired.

42:35Jason Kelce:The reality is sometimes these things that are weaknesses when you're losing, sometimes people view them as strengths when you're winning. I think that kid's been through a lot. He's been through a lot of change and I think he's going to be through a lot of change this year. Everybody talks about the offensive coordinators changing over. There's going to be a drastically different offense in Philadelphia. It's going to be more in the center. It's going to be more run and play action on the second down. It's going to be more motions. so this is a big year for him and at the end of the day I think they have great players there I think they have a lot of good leadership in that building and I think that when you combine them Vic Fangio I feel pretty confident about the Eagles this coming season so I think the drama is gonna start going the other direction at some point that was an incredible answer yeah hey that was an

43:24Pat McAfee:unbelievable answer I want to let you know that you're not some big dumb dipshit from Ohio. That was an incredible answer, and we appreciate you, and congrats on getting the opportunity to do the Masters, and obviously everything else that you get the opportunity to do. You've earned it all. Thanks for representing Football Brother.

43:45Jason Kelce:Well, time out, Pat. Are you going to be down here a little bit? Is that happening?

43:49Pat McAfee:Alright, alright, alright. Everybody needs to relax. Alright, I'll see you down there maybe. Alright, Jason, you're the man. Now he's a gentleman. Come on. Okay, okay. All right. Yeah, he answers. Yeah, yeah. Jason Kelsey, ladies and gentlemen.

44:01Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jason. The delay thing is because they're on a portable internet source, okay,

44:08Pat McAfee:that is being sent to camera, back to source, back to truck. So there is a delay in the audio and the video. So it's a different, they're both going in a different time, and then they're getting sent to something that's getting sent through a stream from ESPN directly to us. So that thing may be even going to Bristol, then coming to us. So you got two streams going at two different times. Remember, because camera goes directly. Audio has to go here to here. And then it's going to their truck in Augusta from camera to, from device to truck to Bristol. And then, you know, they're racing. Oh, yeah.

44:41Pat McAfee:Racing to Bristol. And then, bang, they're taking a left coming to Indianapolis. So they fucking banged a boom. And I think the video was certainly way ahead. It was. The video was faster.

44:51Jeff Passan:Well, then we got to go back, too.

44:53Pat McAfee:Don't forget that. Because then we're sending back to Bristol. But remember, Jason couldn't see anything. So he was not getting video. He could not see anything. That's insane. Yeah, we for sure went to the moon and did that phone call and all that shit. Whoa! Now is not the time to bring that up! That's bullshit. Those brave astronauts are there right now. Oh yeah, we're here now. For sure. For sure now. Oh, you're talking about when we beat the Russians? Yeah. Cold War. Undefeated. Man on the moon. There he is. Butleruski, huh?

45:28Jeff Passan:Yeah, exactly. Tell him, D-Bot. Postcard from Moscow when you move over there, you son of a bitch. Jesus. He's just trying to tell the people what really happened. No.

45:37Pat McAfee:No. Just real quick. I don't love that we as a society have gotten to a point where we know way too much, but we also don't know nearly enough about any of it. Well said. He's had a three-second delay. Oh, God. A thousand miles away.

45:54Jeff Passan:There was a delay from America. Tell him, D-Bot. Oh, is NASA putting this pressure together? It's the worldwide leader.

46:02Pat McAfee:Okay. Yeah. Worldwide. NASA's reporting that Artemis II is just a couple of days away from splashdown. Boom! And as Earth grows larger in the mission sites, the crew woke up this morning to under pressure by Queen and David Bowie. And greetings from our colleagues at the super spacey thingy. And there's the moon right there. See that? We're all our way.

46:25Jeff Passan:The Canadian Space Agency. Okay. Okay. I won't clap for that. Yeah. Have you seen the trajectory of what they had to do? What's that? The trajectory of, like, timing the moon? Unbelievable.

46:37Pat McAfee:Yeah. I heard we're leading them.

46:38Jeff Passan:Oh, yeah. Big time. We're leading the ball. Big time.

46:40Pat McAfee:Yeah, we're throwing to a spot. Yes. We're throwing to a spot. Exactly. Yeah. We're letting math, which is the language of the universe, says David Galileo, Mr. Galileo. Mike McCarthy, Galileo. Galileo. Dave Galileo. Just read David Bowie. EG. EG's still bringing it. That's what we're doing. Galileo, Galileo. And we're throwing that thing right down there. And then we're meeting up the moon. And then the moon's going to say, gotcha. Going to do one of these. And I think we're doing one of these. And then the moon's kicking us out. Kitting the slingshot. You had Bowie.

47:21Jeff Passan:You had it all together in Queen. In some circles, he was David Galloway. His close friend. Close his buddies.

47:30Pat McAfee:See, I never know whenever I see this. Is Galileo his first name or his last name? I believe it's his first name. I believe his name is Galileo Galileo. Yeah, but what if back then he wanted to actually have an inverted... Call me Dave. Yeah. You never know. Honestly, you genuinely never know. Shout out to Jason Kelsey joining us live from the Masters. Sounds like he understands these assignments. Yeah. Didn't it sound like that? Oh, yeah. He knows. Locked in. What he said about Jalen, though, crazy. Yeah. It's like what everybody's saying is a negative now was probably a strength of the past, him being a leader.

48:00Pat McAfee:Quarterbacks want to run their stuff. Yeah, he's Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP. He probably feels as if he has a right to have some say in what the offense is. New offense coordinator, you're brand new here. maybe we do my offense we've won some games the shit coming out of the building though maybe like i don't know if it it just feels like they don't like people don't like that's why they're leaking all this shit like people being this comfortable to leak things about this person says that those people don't like them like whenever for instance anonymous sources say shit about us and me i know those anonymous sources are people that do not like me as a person right so anytime anybody leaks anything that is anonymous negative about somebody i assume that it's being leaked because they do not like the person or there's some sort of agenda on the case now him getting into a brand new offense needing a new contract are they both waiting to see how he does in this particular offense is this offense going to be the new one under center play action everything like that is that the case who knows but i don't like how comfortable everybody is just kind of giving away but jason kelsey's like well we're in a world where there's a lot of sources in that building and they're never going to be able to get rid of them one of the biggest markets like you said in the world really when you talk about the NFL and then being with the Eagles most all those teams in NFC East but especially in Philly with that team and then like you said you're going to want to run your shit when you're the guy that's going to be there year in and year out you're the guy that's making 50 plus million dollars you're going to have the finger pointed at you not whatever coordinator is there for that year and there is you know it has to be some meeting of the minds and some continuity there we saw with uh with Tom when he went to Tampa we saw with Peyton when he went to Denver like yeah you're going to take your shit and you're going to do some of the other you know, OC stuff.

49:37So as long as the success is there, though, they'll be fine. But I did love what Jason Kelsey said. And look, everybody in the locker room has their own unique experience. So if you go and talk to one of 70 players in a locker room, you can find five that's going to say bad things about Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, any of these guys. Food, training room. Yeah, it comes with the territory. But, you know, winning cures all. But when you aren't winning at the level where you're expected to, That's when all this shit gets much, much louder.

50:07Jeff Passan:Yeah, it gets a pain in the ass just to play in Philly. When they won – the year they won the Super Bowl, there were times where they were playing at home and getting booed. Like, there really isn't a winning situation for them no matter what when you are in Philadelphia. I blame the setup.

50:21Pat McAfee:No, but I think the winning situation is that parade. Yes. That's like the day. I think when you – You got to talk your shit, Kelsey. Super blue-collar towns, okay, that think they are tougher than the football players. Okay? And I happen to know that because I grew up in one of those towns where the fans think they're tougher than the football players that are playing football. And you are just lucky to be doing what you're doing for us. So let's make sure you remember that. I think that is how some of these towns feel that are considered football towns. That is what it is. So if you're not playing exactly how they expect you to play, how they would play if they were playing, how they would envision their football team to play, they are going to voice it mostly because they once again if this was to come to a fight we're okay trying to fight we feel like we're tougher than you we are we know football better than you we love football more than you and obviously we love the team more than you i think philadelphia is obviously one of those towns no doubt i think that is obviously one of those towns and they can find things that they would do much better than you if they were in your position in football and i think you got to be made to be an eagle like you have to be a dallas cowboy you have to be made for the star yeah because they're giving tours of the building and stuff like that okay which from our source says is not in the way they're great from what i heard they're not in the way okay you need to relax about that whole thing being a distraction you know just from source says in the building they are not a problem true you heard that as well yes heard different he was there with me okay we're sitting right next to me it was a nice little setup we had in that thing you can't trust that resource yeah not for everybody it was we got a very credible what are you talking about we had a great setup out there but we were told we were given a little bit more clarity is how it was described to us what we were getting sure okay we were told let us clear let's give you a little bit more clarity on this whole thing not a problem but on that note you're gonna be on prime time yep 13 14 weeks you're gonna have everybody talking about you.

52:21Pat McAfee:You have to be made to be a Dallas Cowboy. You have to understand what it's going to be. There's going to be more there because of the business. It feels like the Eagles, you have to know you need a certain type of person to be a Philadelphia Eagle. They just start winning Super Bowls, too. They got there to the championship games with Andy Reid. That's why they ran Andy Reid out of town because you couldn't get to and then win the big one. Got there and then lost to the Patriots. But then you win your first one with Nick Foles and then he gets his statue and now Jalen Hurts comes and brings you another one.

52:47You would think he would be a guy in a city like that. And went to another one before that too. Yeah, it's like he's been, what, two out of the five years he started. He went to the Super Bowl and outplayed Patrick Mahomes in both of them. And we're talking, like, it's nuts.

53:00Pat McAfee:And you heard Jason Kelsey. Jason Kelsey just wanted to bat for Jalen Hurts about as much and as cerebrally as possible. In a three-minute thing that talked about radio, sources, locker room, everything, how one thing was perceived, how the other thing can be perceived. I mean, Jason Kelsey knows Jalen pretty good, I'd assume.

53:16Jeff Passan:Yeah, and it wasn't the exact same thing, but he basically just went through this situation the year after they made it to the Super Bowl. Remember, they started 8-0 or whatever and then limped into the playoffs big time, got beat in the first round, and it was all the same thing. And I think a lot of places expect to win the Super Bowl every year, but with Philadelphia being as successful as they have been, that is the expectation every single year. It's like, hey, you guys need to go out and win a Super Bowl, and if you don't, you're going to hear it from us all year long. In every game, I want to see perfection.

53:47Jeff Passan:Exactly. And we don't want to just skimp. We want to beat the shit out of people every week. These Johns are getting mopped every week by the birds.

53:55Pat McAfee:Okay, that's what we want to see. Because they were winning games.

53:57Jeff Passan:Yeah.

53:58Pat McAfee:Best record in the league. And we come in here on Overreaction Monday every week, some John out there going, Nick Sirianni needs to be put in a car and shipped to fucking Antarctica. What are we doing with this guy? Like, just beat the Saints in New Orleans, I think I remember. And they're like, Saints keeping it close against us. It's like it's the NFL. You guys are winning games. It's like, we don't care. We would like this to look a lot better all the time, every time.

54:23Jeff Passan:That is what's interesting, though, is just off the top of my head going back, reading all those overreactions, at least from the fans. There really wasn't that much, we hate Jalen Hurts, let's get this guy out of town. Patulo. Exactly. It was all Patulo and a little bit of Sirianni, so it's interesting when all these come out and it's like, wow, the fans don't have that big of an issue with him, but it seems like everything inside the building is like. Or who just left the building. Right. Yeah, true. But it goes back further than that.

54:52Pat McAfee:Could be. I said or not definitely.

54:54Jeff Passan:But, yeah, there's, I mean. It goes all the way back to the year they won the Super Bowl when this stuff was happening. That's when the Brandon Graham interview was happening. Like, there's so many different things. That's why, sure, like, if it was just this year, then it would be like, okay, who just left? But it's been a few years here, and they've still had success, so it doesn't matter as much. Winning cures all. But still, it has happened for a bit. Hey, that's Philadelphia Eagles football. That's right. That's playing quarterback at the National Football League, too. Jalen Hurts, some of the criticism is deserved.

55:24And, I mean, everybody can be criticized outside of probably Patrick Mahomes right now in the league, maybe Matt Stafford, what his status is right now. Every other quarterback, that fair game. Drake Mays got a lot of – hey, there's a lot going on around the New England

55:38Pat McAfee:Patriots right now. Not with Drake. There's a lot going on around the New England Patriots right now. Drake's just shaving his head and chucking football. That got loud out there. That got loud out there. I didn't see anything. Good luck to all parties. Good luck to all parties. I didn't see anything either. What the hell are you talking about? Good luck to all parties. That's going to be... I couldn't even imagine. Dealt with much work. Good luck to all parties. And I genuinely mean all parties involved. Good luck out there. Fox is nearing a deal to acquire the 2026 Big Ten Championship for$45 to$55 million.

56:11Pat McAfee:NBC has subleased the game from Fox and is now selling it back. Big Ten championship. It's a big one.

56:16Jeff Passan:It's an absolute steal. Huge. Yes.

56:18Pat McAfee:This Big Ten has won the national championship the last three years with three different teams. No matter who gets into this one, it will be gigantic. Did everybody know this was for sale? No. Did everybody know this was for sale? We would have potentially tried to buy this. Yeah. Came for all of you, too. This would have been a thing. What a deal for them. Good luck to the Big Ten continuing to bring it into Fox. They got a big, Big Ten relationship. Oh, yeah.

56:44Jeff Passan:I would have been sick if we got it. Us? In the lighthouse?

56:49Pat McAfee:Us just sitting there. They would have never sold it to us. That would have been a tough conversation. Maybe. Would have been funny to sit down in there, though. What are you guys thinking? 150, 200 K? We're back next time.

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58:49Pat McAfee:Hello, beautiful people. And welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Masters Eve Wednesday, April 8th, 2026, our tour of the program begins now. Sports are happening all around us. Obviously, the Masters tees off tomorrow as the Par 3 coverage continues today on ESPN Plus, Disney Plus. And right here on ESPN after this show ends, as the Toxic Tables at Boston Conner battles with hats and trophies over there. At Ty Schmidt, also here. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tone. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. D. Butch, it's not just golf. Obviously, basketball is happening.

59:32Pat McAfee:Hockey is happening. The NFL never sleeps. It's really never a bad time to be a sports fan. What do the losers that don't watch sports do throughout their entire lives? That is a great question. I don't know. I don't know. Let me tell you. Could you imagine not having a Masters to look forward to this weekend and not being pumped up about that? Do you think they're happier? No, because you've got to pay much more attention to all the other shit that we're forced to pay attention to sometimes. They've got to pay attention to it all the time. Yeah, so they're feeding themselves all that stuff.

1:00:00Jeff Passan:Oh, you think you're saying if it's not sports, then it has to be? It's got to be something.

1:00:04Pat McAfee:They're video games.

1:00:06Jeff Passan:Reality TV.

1:00:07Pat McAfee:Reality TV. Oh, you're talking about the shite TV? Yeah. I had to run with that as well. The Rock of Love bus, obviously. Whoa. That ain't shite. You're right. Flavor of Love as well. Flavor of Love. Yeah, Flavor of Love was top five. New York. Miss New York was outrageous, obviously, still doing it. Tequila Tequila. Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore is great TV. I agree. That's what I'm saying. but this would be potentially considered shite TV. Yeah, people would say. Good. Pawn Stars. Bravo. Oh, my God. Detroit Pawn. How about the Tuttles? Wow.

1:00:42Jeff Passan:Yeah, Choppers. They're in a league of their own.

1:00:44Pat McAfee:I'm watching now Suddenly Amish. My wife kind of put me on a Suddenly Amish. It's out there in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. People just from the regular world say. Is that a black man? That is black man. Is there a lot of Amish?

1:00:56Jeff Passan:Is that kid out?

1:00:57Pat McAfee:What's that?

1:00:59Jeff Passan:What you saying? How did you describe that?

1:01:03Pat McAfee:Can I get a zoom in on a Tuesday? What are you talking about? Yeah. That's the thing. I will say this is not get out. They are not being held there against their will. Good faith. They are. He's one. He's. He's main character of the show. Okay. He's main character of the show. And I'll tell you what, we learn a lot about him quick. We learn a lot about him quick, and I think he learns a lot about him. Some emotional moments with him. Some emotional moments with him out there. Some emotional guy. Yeah, you know, the Amish show, they don't play any games, man.

1:01:35Jeff Passan:No.

1:01:36Pat McAfee:Literally, they don't play any games. That's right. I don't think they've ever done that. My dad, Tim, actually has a relationship with some of the Amish. We've been told that, you know, some of these Amish who run power out to a shed do watch NFL football. That's what I was going to ask you. They watch sports. Yes, they do. Yeah, they do. They watch football. They probably be so good. Very strong. Farm strong. Yeah. Labar and James. Yeah. They got a bunch of them, but they're just called Jebba Diabron. Yeah. Jebba Jebba Bron. They're good in the trenches. Yeah. They're dogs, too. They wake up 3.30 in the morning, obviously, and they just work all day, every day on everything, and they don't have air conditioning.

1:02:08Yeah, I've seen, like, time lapse of them, like, building homes. Oh, yeah. A single day. Two seconds. Unbelievable. I'm trying to get some here. Hammer and nails. The comment was, too. I heard a story about him a few months ago.

1:02:21Jeff Passan:Yeah, trying to get one of them in my house. Trying to figure this stuff out. Condo, whatever. Trying to make some changes. You're trying to get one of these Amish? Yeah, trying to get one of them in there. See what we can do. But I don't know. Are they even allowed to ride the elevator? No.

1:02:34Pat McAfee:So that's the interesting thing. And how do you get a hold of them to get one of them? That's why Tim is a good plug to the Amish. Yeah, you need to have a plug to get any Amish. These people do. They signed up for that. And they gossip. So if you find one. These things, they are all related. Joining us now, not all related, but they all do. Pennsylvania Dutch is where it all starts.

1:02:54Jeff Passan:They all know each other. It's a community. Yeah. And they're not all related. Watch it. Yeah, they're not. Oh, yeah. I just saw a black dude. Hello. That's becoming homage. I don't know if he was homage. He's getting there. He's talking about. He's new to the group. Hey, what did Shaq mean when he told you to change the way you were? I mean, he shouldn't have did that at work. You don't mess with me at work. You know, you got to. don't do that hog me like a black guy what do you mean I'll tell you later so Shaq I want to let you know

1:03:26Pat McAfee:when Shaq said that he took me right back to the locker room like right back to the locker room and I almost had a thousand things and it almost came out of my mouth I was like nope now is not the time that would have been a quote out of context haven what was coming through my head right there and I just stayed out of it that is maturity out of me I want to let you know there was a big moment there for all of us and we just powered right through it yeah this climate that was a literally right into the middle just okay who wants it and then nothing thank god owed us that would have never been we would have stopped but we would ask for a full explanation we would have done an entire shack was awesome in here yes he was just got add said fuck it What's over here?

1:04:13Pat McAfee:I'm just going to walk over here. I'll be you. Be you, girl. He had a bad day at the Olympics. He did it. But the shackalicious gummies, I think, got a lot of pub. Joining us now live from an attic in Ohio is a man who'd be a great Amish guy. Oh, yeah.

1:04:24Jeff Passan:Yeah, one of the best.

1:04:25Pat McAfee:I think he would want to be an Amish guy. Might be, actually. Might be. Because German, I believe, is the roots of the Pennsylvania Dutch, which obviously lead to the Amish, if I'm not mistaken. Potential former Amishman. Ladies and gentlemen, happy rumspringer to A.J. Hawk. Yeah, Hawk. Hawker, a lot of Amish in Ohio. I know that, right?

1:04:48Jeff Passan:Yeah, there's plenty of Amish all around Ohio. My father-in-law, Chopper, he works with a bunch of them. He's a builder, so he's been working with them for years and years. But I don't know why D-Butt is saying, like, I know lots of black Amish people here in Ohio. I don't know what the problem is. Really? Oh, I didn't know that. Not lots of them, but they are around, yes. That changed pretty quickly, A.J. I wouldn't say they're abundant, but they're, yes, it is possible. Where are you hanging out at?

1:05:09Pat McAfee:Yeah, so hold on. You're walking out. I see them on the road and riding, you know, on their horse and buggy next to me. How about, you ever seen them fishtail that thing?

1:05:18Jeff Passan:No. Why? I haven't really seen them really opening up too much. It's usually pretty slow.

1:05:22Pat McAfee:Okay, I've seen them open that thing up a little bit. You know, there's obviously the very slow, boring ride when the family's in there. And you got to pass them. It's a miserable thing. But I've seen some young ones kind of open that thing up, a little fishtail whenever they turn that thing sideways. Turn that son of a bitch a little bit like this. You know, whenever they might find a little moonshine out there that they maybe made out in the barn, they'll get a little loose with those buggies as well. I mean, they kind of are outlaws. They live by their own set rules. I mean, they're in their own little room.

1:05:49Pat McAfee:They are. Yeah. I've seen, I don't know if I'm a dry surgeon, I've seen a few of them at the airport. They can ride airplanes. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It could be Mennonites.

1:05:57Jeff Passan:They play fast and loose with a lot of those rules.

1:05:59Pat McAfee:Yeah, but also, if they're not flying or driving the car, some of them say aye. Oh, okay. There's a little bit of that. I'm just sitting. Yeah, I am sitting on a rubber.

1:06:08Jeff Passan:That's Bush League, though. Hop on a train. There's a train within 100 miles of every state.

1:06:13Pat McAfee:Joining us now is a man who might also be from the Amish community. We're not 100 % sure. He thinks the callus on his palms would certainly be able to get him through a day of hard work with the Amish. He is a man who's carrying baseball for an entire generation on ESPN, which we appreciate him for. The Jet, Jeff Passan. Yay! Jet, you think about being Amish ever? love the Amish furniture it's the best absolute best and I would love to have a room spring as well like I'm glad you brought that up Pat that's a good time that's right like you've been cooped up for all those years and then you just get to go out and you know I don't know what they're doing sounds exciting though well they were at Topgolf I know for one of them yep Steve can't beat that who were we there with who had an event there someone's diaper party yeah I think it was your No, I showed up at somebody else's.

1:07:05Pat McAfee:I think it was Nick's. I think it was Nick's. I do believe. Because I know that because I showed up in the middle of it. I didn't show up at the beginning. Okay, okay. So, yeah, I know it was not mine. It was somebody else's. That would have been very rude of me to do that. But on that note, as soon as we get there, they got the last four bays over here. Oh, yeah. They got the last four bays. Clearly Amish. Clearly underage. Clearly hammered. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a lot going on. And then we obviously, as pretty observant assholes, I would say, immediately start bickering about what's the next steps here.

1:07:35Pat McAfee:So I just go over, obviously right in the middle, and one guy goes, McAfee? You're McAfee. And I go, how do you know that? He goes, we love football. And then he goes and gets his one drunk friend who looks younger than him. He goes, you're Pat McAfee. I'm like, yeah, it's McAfee. It's McAfee. He goes, oh, hell. Calls over the other one. Then there's their girlfriends.

1:07:59Jeff Passan:Third one actually denied it as well. Yeah, you're not. You're not. You're not. You're not.

1:08:04Pat McAfee:And I have to pull out my phone and do a full search for this entire thing. And then I get their phone number. It was a full, yeah, Ziet and I had a 10 to 15 minute convo with some actual Amish folks today. Massive football fans. Seemed like some dogs. This really happened. I mean, we had full convo with these guys. And they should have been serving them alcohol for sure. But they were having an absolute blast out there. And then that rum springer, they're deciding whether or not they want to go back. Or if they just want to kind of go live. I wonder what the hit rate was on that group. I think some of them wouldn't kind of.

1:08:36Jeff Passan:Yeah. Might never want to. Fuck that. I'm never going back.

1:08:38Pat McAfee:Let's go back to Topgolf. I was doing this electric golf thing. McAfee walking. Booze everywhere. All right, let's move along to baseball. Baseball is fantastic. We're loving everything about it, what's going on. You are launching a podcast, I do believe, tomorrow, right? Is that accurate? That is accurate, yes. Here we go. It's been a couple months in the works right now. But we're going to do a little like preview episode. So it's going to be a half hour, but a full episode is going to be closer to an hour, sometimes a little bit longer. And yeah, that's the name right there. Sources tell Jeff Passan.

1:09:13And it's being produced by Omaha Productions. Shout out Peyton Manning. And going to be running on ESPN tomorrow. So exciting times, Patrick.

1:09:22Pat McAfee:Yes, it certainly is. Good for baseball for you to continue to grow the sport. What are you going to be doing? Sources tell Jeff Passan. You're just going to be leaking all your news through this? or you're going to be talking to your sources? That's exactly what it is. It's going to be conversations with the people who you want to hear about. You're going to know some of the names and some of them you're not. And the beauty of baseball is all of the stories that go untold. This podcast, the goal is to go out and actually tell them in a way that is accessible not just to the diehard fans who love baseball, but to people on this show, frankly, who watch this on a daily basis and are just getting into baseball and want to learn a little something about it.

1:10:03And, you know, the beauty of my job, Pat, is that I get to talk with the people who are the absolute best in the world at what they do. And having conversations with them in a format like this, in a setting like this, where they can be a little bit looser and they can talk about some things that they might not otherwise. Yeah, I mean, look at...

1:10:23Pat McAfee:This is my first time seeing this here, Jed. I didn't know how professional you were going to look in sources to tell Jeff Paston. You got these guys on the hook. Who is it? Who's sitting down? You're about to see right now. On the left is one Paul Skeen. Oh! Skeen-o! Dog Skeen-o! Yeah, what a start. Seven. And on the right is Tarek Skubel. What? You know, yes, sir. Both of them together talking about pitching. And, you know, the great thing about this show is it doesn't have a format. We're going to be doing something different every week. So, you know, first episode, we talk about pitching with Skeens and Scoople, who are the two best at it with the world.

1:11:06I just got back from Toronto, sat down with John Schneider, the Blue Jays manager, and Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager, together, and talked about the World Series last year, and specifically Game 7 and what it was like. Talked with Cal Raleigh yesterday, and he was telling me about everything from his ass to his custom-made cup to all sorts of other things that it takes to be a catcher. So we're going to cover the whole expanse of the sport and tell stories, frankly, that you just haven't heard before.

1:11:35Pat McAfee:Okay, shout out to you continuing to build baseball. Schneider just made sure the ump could see him and turned his head sideways so he could really get down in there. Let me get underneath the brim of this cap here, sir. I'm going to let you know that you're absolute ass, because everything you're doing is shite. You ever heard about it? You are a piece of trash, an embarrassment to baseball. You need to get the hell off of this field. You're going to tell me to leave. You need to leave. All of baseball hates you. It ain't turned in there. Make sure you can feel it a little bit. Kiss me, buddy.

1:11:59Pat McAfee:Go ahead. You want to lick my lips right now? Is that what you want to do? You're too worried about licking my lips and tasting my spit. Then making right calls out here. Is that what he's saying there? And is he like this all the time? He's so red. Might be my new favorite guy. Might be my new favorite guy. So, Pat, I kind of knew this was coming because the Blue Jays haven't been playing very well. And there's going to be an episode coming up where I talk with Aaron Boone, the Yankees manager, about the art of the ejection. Because Aaron Boone has been ejected 50 times in his career, the big league leader.

1:12:31And I brought this up to Schneider and I was like, how tough is it to get ejected? And he's like, I think I need to get ejected. Like, that's how managers look at it when their team is struggling. They will find any reason or any excuse to go out there and just light someone up and hope to light a fire underneath their team. And the Blue Jays, you know, with all the injuries that they've had, they need a little fire right now.

1:12:53Pat McAfee:Yeah, I like that he took it upon himself to make sure that this ump could really feel it. Because it did feel like the ump was using the brim of the hat, the bill, as a weapon. And I saw out there in L.A., there's no more. They're just using the top there. I've seen that that's taking place. So, you know, baseball caps, baseball hats can be defense. It can obviously be a fashion look. It could block the sun, and it could be a hat covered to a skipper and an almost sucking face. Almost aggressively sucking face. So it's amazing what a hat can really be. Let's go to a cowboy hat with some massive news out of Pittsburgh that you broke.

1:13:29Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Tom.

1:13:29Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jet, baseball season's been awesome for me so far. And obviously there was some smoke last week about Connor Griffin and the deal, the extension, the nine-year$140 million extension. after he got called up last week. He made it official this morning. Now he's signed. Bob Nutting is signing autographs for fans on the field every single game. Skeens is obviously – he comes out and he's – the whole pitching staff's great. The Buccos are winning. But this Connor Griffin, the extension, is that something normal for the – is this the new normal for these young kids to get them signed for 10 years?

1:14:04Jeff Passan:And then just the Pirates overall with Connor Griffin, how do you feel it's been going so far? this is the biggest contract in pirates history like plain and simple 140 million dollars the the biggest they had had previously was brian reynolds at 106.75 million and they're giving this to a guy who's had less than a week in the big league so it's clear that the pirates believe that connor griffin is going to be the one around whom they can build for the foreseeable future and the big part of this deal isn't just 140 million dollars it's the fact that they bought out three free agent years because connor griffin coming up at 19 years old guys he was on track to be a free agent going into his age 26 season and the last time we saw a 26 year old free agent out on the market that was juan soto and he got 765 million dollars so connor griffin is giving up that potential enormous payday at 26 years old to go out at 29 and listen if he's the player everyone thinks he's going to be, he's still going to get paid big time.

1:15:08But the Pirates, keeping a guy who they would have absolutely no chance of getting on the free agent market for another three years on top of the control they have him already. This is how good franchises get built. This is exactly what the Kansas City Royals did with Bobby Witt Jr. They're starting shortstop. It's what the Mariners are trying to do with Colt Emerson, signing him for nine years and$85 million. And what the Milwaukee Brewers are trying to do with Cooper Pratt, giving him $51 million over eight years. So this is a trend in baseball, and it's one that both gives the player his first big payday and makes sure to lock him in for the franchise long term.

1:15:46Pat McAfee:Okay, so now that we know that the Pittsburgh Pirates are playing big league baseball now, and Connor has come out and said he wants to win for the city and he wants to win for the fans, everybody's bought in on that narrative. There's a chance that the Buccos hoist the whole damn cone. Yeah, they're going to hoist the whole cone. There's a chance they hoist the whole damn cone. The big cone. The big cone. Okay, there's a chance that we hoist it. People in Pittsburgh are saying, companies in Pittsburgh are saying, Yenzers are stealing traffic cones at a rate that they've never seen before. That is called bucko fever, baby.

1:16:21Pat McAfee:That is a tangible piece of information that says, there's bucko fever running wild in Pittsburgh. And that's all it takes. Hold on. Do you not have a traffic cone in your car? In my car or in the studio? Hoist it, baby! Hoist the cone! Oh, mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the cone. Boom, boom. Boom, boom. Yeah. I got a cone. Stole this from the company outside. Yeah. That's basically what's been happening back in Pittsburgh because there's always going to be construction and there's always going to be cones. And now there's a reason for these cones as opposed to what Jens are saying, the construction companies are never getting anything done.

1:17:09Pat McAfee:At least the Pirates are starting to get some things done. They're going to win it all. We know that. They're hoisting a big cone. AJ has a question about that, actually.

1:17:17Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jet, speaking of that, we know the NL Central has got out to a hot start. The Reds are obviously in first place there. Do you believe that the World Series runs through the NL Central this year?

1:17:28Pat McAfee:Great question. Whoa. It's a great question. Best division of baseball. No, but they look pretty good so far. And in addition to the Reds, it's like the Brewers, we forget that they won 97 games last year. They won more games than the Dodgers did. They won more games than the Yankees, the Blue Jays, the Mariners, all the best teams last year. During the regular season, the Milwaukee Brewers were at the top. And so for them to trade Freddy Peralta this offseason, it almost reminded me of them trading Corbin Burns and still being good. This is a sustainable team that's in Milwaukee right now. And I think Cincinnati has the talent to beat them.

1:18:05They're doing this without Hunter Green, but their pitching's been phenomenal. Chase Burns looks absolutely awesome. Pirates couldn't have gotten off to a much better start. The Cardinals, who they're probably going to state this year. But they've gotten off to a good start even. And then the Cubs just snakebitten by injuries between Cade Horton needing UCL surgery, being out for the year. Matthew Boyd going on the injured list too. The Cubs are scuffling a little bit right now. But the Central, it is not the Comedy Central right now. Like, the National League Central looks like a real division.

1:18:36And I think the big question, I was talking with a scout about this yesterday. He said, I think there are two good teams in baseball, the Dodgers and the Yankees, and everyone else, we're not quite sure at this point what they're going to be. And those odds right there, they tend to bear that idea out. And so the question is going to be, who's going to emerge as the third and fourth and fifth best teams as we get into May and, you know, a little more seasons behind us?

1:19:02Pat McAfee:Let's talk about the baseball a little bit this year versus years past. I like seeing players be able to show up the umps. OK, I like it. I'm assuming baseball people aren't necessarily completely thrilled or completely against it. But Ty has a question for you.

1:19:16Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jet, just based on conversations you've had from the early part of the season here, what are the reactions from players, managers, and umpires about ABS? Like, do they like it? Do the players like it? I feel like some managers haven't really deployed it or the way they're deploying it, they're still figuring out. And then I saw a quote from an umpire the other day that said, like, you know, it's been great, but also it's just creating unrealistic expectations for us. And, like, fans are just going to continue to kill us even if we have a good game. So what has the reaction been thus far?

1:19:48Players love it. Managers are still trying to figure it out. The umpires are the interesting ones, though. And I don't think I've seen this reported anywhere yet. But I heard something really interesting a few days ago about what umpires are going through with ABS. It's not just that the system is in place and that they're getting overturned or that they're getting their calls questioned or that they're getting embarrassed in public. In their earpiece, they actually have the ability in-game to communicate with Major League Baseball back at the center where replay is happening and with an operator who is looking at their game and monitoring the ABS to ask them, like, hey, is my zone okay right now?

1:20:32They're getting real-time feedback. And listen, while the stuff like, hey, you've missed five calls this game, you suck at your job, that's going to be tough on anyone. I think a lot of umpires appreciate the fact that, you know, right now they can be told in real time what their zone looks like and can adjust it. And that's what helps them be better. Like, at the end of the day, all umpires ever want to do is get the call right. And, you know, the fallibility of the human eye and of the brain's ability to track something that's going at 100 miles per hour and breaking 20 inches, which is what big league pitching is now like, that's a really tough thing to do.

1:21:14So I think having that feedback system in place for umpires is the good kind of support that they need in a system that otherwise has the ability to just embarrass them day in, day out.

1:21:25Pat McAfee:I'm happy that we're at the point of utilizing technology to benefit, and I'm also happy that the umpires are able to put their egos aside because that was kind of what was happening in football for a while is the refs were like, I want my eyes to mean something. It's like, okay, we do too, but now that we can all see that you're wrong, maybe we figure out a way to maybe get it right when we do that together. I think it'll be good for umps. I think it'll be good for officials as a whole, but it's a brand-new relationship for them. Good luck. And I saw some clips from back in the day. I mean, no strike zones for some of these umps.

1:21:52Pat McAfee:Wild. I mean, holy shit. We had John Boy on, and he was like, my dad had no idea what a strike was. They didn't know if there was two strikes. They didn't know if there was three balls. They didn't even have the score bug on the screen. So it's like, Dad, no offense. You had no idea what was going on. You don't know why they were pitching what they were pitching, where they were pitching what they were pitching, what a strike was, what a strike wasn't. It's crazy that that is how much baseball has developed, but it feels like if you don't know that it's a full count or you don't know that there's two strikes, it is probably a little bit difficult.

1:22:19Pat McAfee:So I like where baseball has evolved into. It feels like we can all understand it. but boy a catcher just being able to look back say you idiot and just and then the whole place watching this all happen and the catcher for the first time in his life to be able to say just like i thought brother okay just let me kind of guide you in this entire thing who did it three straight times salvi perez salvi perez doing it three or four straight times that had he had to be wanting to do that for his entire life as a catcher i i would assume that moment is like a check the box so i'm happy it's here i also like that the boys are throwing some real hands Yeah.

1:22:52Pat McAfee:I like that the boys were throwing some real hands. Last night, Lopez saw again to an absolute brawl that involves a double-legged takedown in a punch with a baseball in a pitching technique. Okay, so in football, if you're punching a helmet, bad news. There was a double-leg takedown right there that we might have slept on. By the manager, Pat. That was Walt Weiss right there, who, by the way, does MMA training. So, not surprising. Bald-headed guy shooting in from the side. There's a double-leg takedown. You see both of his arms right there wrapped around the legs perfectly. Head is right on dog.

1:23:20Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah, that's the manager. Yeah, yeah, it is. Oh, no. I mean, he squared him up perfectly. He was picture perfect. He took the hat off beforehand, too, because he didn't want to get involved. He shoots the double leg. Old buddy has no idea because he's up here fighting 10 wars. He goes, let's go down to the ground where I want to be. But bang, takes him down there. Textbook. Yeah, textbook. Absolutely textbook. Walt Weiss, by the way, not a big guy. Jorge Soler, on the other hand, 6 '3", runs about 250. So that was impressive. Yeah, he's like, yo, you want to go? Well, he threw two over. He took a lot of teammates two years ago, by the way.

1:23:51They were both on the Braves together. So there's some lingering beef there, no doubt.

1:23:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, and I appreciate the fact that they're still doing this. He had ball in hand. Boom! He's got to utilize one of these. Now, his finger's going off plastic helmet pretty good. Yeah, not great. You know, this is when football players punch a helmet. Everybody's like, hey, that's not – Chill out, Coach. You're not helping anybody here. So I like that he utilized the baseball as a weapon for sure. I like that the boys are scrapping. I like that there was a double-leg tackle. at the end of it i'd give this thing overall a tan yeah that's a good baseball fight and i like the reason why the fight happened too sent two over his head you know buzz the tower two times right over his head and he goes what are we are we serious right now it was in the third i believe in the fifth and then obviously and then they go and say yeah we're doing what kind of suspension is coming from this not like a good question are they allowed to do this because this is cool or should what happens they're definitely not allowed to do this uh for for lopez it's probably gonna to wind up being one game for Soler.

1:24:53Probably going to wind up three. Lopez may wind up getting a longer suspension potentially because pitchers, you know, they pitch every five days, so if you suspend him for five or seven or eight or nine games, then he's essentially only missing one start. There will be suspensions coming down from him. It'll be probably later today or tomorrow.

1:25:14Pat McAfee:All right, well, good luck out there, Batman. Sorry, Manfred. Manfred, unless the NHL wants to get involved because this is a fight. Let Batman give a call. Good luck, Manfred. We assume you know what's right for baseball. He does. Conman has a question for you, brother.

1:25:28Jeff Passan:Yeah, Jeff, basically the worst start out of any team in the entire major leagues is the Boston Red Sox. I've been thinking about you, Conor, this entire time because, look, you pledged to watch, what was it, 100 games? Yeah, and I'm on page for 162, brother, so I don't know how freaking long. I can laugh at this rate. Yeah, seriously. It's not just painful. It's really discouraging. Jet, to be completely honest with you. And I'm coming off just an absolute gem from Garrett Crochet where they won 3-2. So I'm still in this mood of what the hell is going on with this baseball team. There's sell-the-team chance, Jet, throughout all of Fenway.

1:26:08Jeff Passan:And typically when you hear sell-the-team, you think of the Pirates. You think about teams that aren't spending money. But the Red Sox spent like$300 million this offseason. Is this a fire the team John Henry sucks? Is this a Breslow is just a big dumb dipshit and doesn't know who's good at baseball? Just basically as much as I know who's good at baseball. Who should I be directing my anchor towards? And also, when will some of these kind of up-and-coming prospects get called up? Connor Griffin being the number one guy, sure, he needs to get called up immediately. But when should I expect some of these non-poopy players to come and play for the Boston Red Sox that are in the farm system.

1:26:48Yeah, I mean, let's not forget the guys that they promoted last year, whether it was Roman Anthony and Marcelo Meyer. They signed Christian Campbell to that contract, and he's down in AAA right now. That has not gone well for them. They traded Kyle Teal, who he got you, Garrett Crochet. So there's nothing to be said about that. But I don't know that near term there's a whole lot more coming from the offensive side on the farm system with the Red Sox. Yeah, in the offense, it's not great right now. They're striking out a lot. They're striking out almost 27 % of their at-bats. They got a bunch of guys, whether it's Meyer or Trevor Story, who are batting in the hundreds right now.

1:27:31Like, the only guy hitting is really Willier Abreu. Even Roman Anthony's striking out 35 % of the time. So the bats have just gone absolutely flaccid. And the pitching hasn't been what they thought it was going to be either. You know, Ranger Suarez is off to a tough start. Meepaw. A couple of guys in the back have been getting hammered. Like, not great.

1:27:50Pat McAfee:Flaccid bats all over the place. Can't have that. Well, they got a good celebration.

1:27:54Jeff Passan:They got big bats. They're just, they're not bringing them right now, man.

1:27:58Pat McAfee:I think that's a part of baseball. You need to bring them. I guess. I mean, I'm still learning. I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm happy that you're going to be able to say, I was watching whenever the worst team in baseball.

1:28:10Jeff Passan:Every game.

1:28:11Pat McAfee:You will be able to say that. but it feels like they're never going to get better. Maybe this is an era that you don't want to sign up for. They said there's nobody in the pipeline.

1:28:19Jeff Passan:There's nobody coming around the back. He said on offense, we got this guy, Peyton Toll, who's got a boot this big, and he's got a cool mustache. Oh, so he's got an above-average-sized dumper. And he's a pitcher. So he's just strictly talking offense. We're going to figure the bats out. I will say, though, I mean, we're 3-8, and it's infuriating, but I'm loving it. I'm really enjoying being an angry baseball fan. You like your guys. I love my guys. We got to figure out how to throw the baseball a little bit, but I love my guys.

1:28:48Pat McAfee:They're cooking Roman. Is he going to be okay on that, the whole throw thing, not being able to get to where he wants to throw it to right now? Talk about the yips, Jet. He'll be fine. He'll figure it out. He's one of those guys who I think is too talented for something like that to become a problem. Don't run this. And look, this was not a good throw. Looks like me. I was supposed to say it did not turn out well. Before I found my arm slot, have you heard yet? I found my arm slot. I'm a sidearm guy. Maybe you should get on with Romy. Yeah. You going to throw a little sweeper? No, I'm getting over to first base is what I'm doing.

1:29:24Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think. You know what I mean? We're popping mitts. Boom, turn two, fucking banging the power, and boom. You see that? Now I know where it's going, at least, because when you're popping mitts, skip a stone with the boys, it's hard not to get excited about being accurate when you throw it. I couldn't even imagine what Roman Anthony feels like not knowing where the hell the ball is going. Because before I started throwing sidearm, you see I'm throwing like this right here. Bang. You see that? I'm kind of letting it come out. Me and Ozzie Smith working on the glove pop. I don't know if you saw that.

1:29:52Pat McAfee:Okay, now I'm coming out. Really long throw, too.

1:29:55Jeff Passan:Well, it's accurate, Jet. Do it. Do it. It's easy to be accurate from 10 feet. That was one inch below that camera up there. Yeah, 10 feet.

1:30:04Pat McAfee:That's a home run. You're lucky. That's 230 feet away. That's how big Thunderdome is. But I'll tell you, I couldn't imagine not knowing where it's going, especially as you're on the run, crow hopping and going, I hope. Just go home. Yeah, please, just go there. That has to be a mental thing, right? Have others gotten into this before in baseball? Oh, absolutely. I mean, like, the yips is a tried and true thing. And I'm not suggesting that Roman Anthony's got that right now. But when you lose your arm slot, when you lose arm strength, like, it's a terrifying thing. And we've seen it happen in so many cases, even to pitchers like Rick Ankeel, who was the best pitching prospect in baseball and up at 20 years old for the St.

1:30:44Louis Cardinals and absolutely carving, forgot how to throw strikes. And it looked like it was going to kill his career. And then he came back as a power hitting outfielder. And so he was not – it wasn't quite Otani, but it was a fascinating story. Just seeing such a great athlete like him be able to do that, I have plenty of faith that Roman Anthony is going to be just fine long-term. I'd be more concerned at this point about the bat because that's what they need from him. They need offense from Roman Anthony. 21-year-old D.A.

1:31:17Jeff Passan:Well, put him in the three-hole. What's the guy doing leading off? Jeez Louise, man. How'd he do that? Connor, I love this so much. It took you 11 games to turn into the angriest baseball fan. And it's perfect for you. You're absolutely perfect for the role. I don't want the Red Sox to lose necessarily, but I do like this version of Connor quite a bit. I mean, it better outlast you. I'm just telling you right now. I don't know if I can last my wagon to losers, especially in New England. We're talking about a Boston Bruins team who's about to go on a run. We're talking about the frickin' New England Patriots who just won the Super Bowl.

1:31:53Jeff Passan:We're talking about the Boston Celtics who are favorites to go to the NBA Finals from the East. I ain't going to latch my wagon to a 3-8 baseball team for an entire year. I'm just not going to do it.

1:32:01Pat McAfee:Oh, they're on a shot clock right now, you'd say.

1:32:03Jeff Passan:I mean, they're on the watch shot clock until the end of April. As soon as we get to the end of April and they still stink, I'm switching to radio. What's that? I'm switching to radio and I'm only listening to the games. They will not get a TV in my TV room.

1:32:18Pat McAfee:Okay, so they're taking a valuable spot. They won't even get my phone. So you're going to get it like a –

1:32:25Jeff Passan:No, allegedly you can just listen to them anywhere. I guess that's just out there. You can just listen to the games no matter what. And also if they go 12 and 150, Todd's paying for my games. Really? Yeah, I did say I would do that.

1:32:39Pat McAfee:If 13's the over-under? 12 and a half, yeah, right there. And the Yankees aren't good at all right now, right?

1:32:46Jeff Passan:On the contrary. You heard Jeff say it. A lot of people think it's kind of just the Yankees and the Dodgers and everybody else. Last night was maybe, and this is me getting a little too excited, but it was maybe the best Yankees win since they last won the World Series. What? Over the Athletics? Yeah, exactly. It's just a game they don't win. They look like shite all night long, and then our sweet, sweet Prince, Ahmed Rosario hits two homers, three-run homer in the bottom of the eighth inning. Bednar comes in, shuts the door. You just end up winning a game you had no business winning, and that's just what the, you know, a lot of times the Yankees just, they They quit in the fourth inning of that game and just say, fuck it, we'll get them tomorrow.

1:33:23Jeff Passan:They didn't do that last night. I've just seen. You know, it's unbelievable. So, no, to answer your question, the Yankees are hard on a pistol right now. So I feel pretty good about the Yankees.

1:33:34Pat McAfee:And the Red Sox are the complete opposite. Exactly. The Toxic Table is a nice little depiction of baseball.

1:33:38Jeff Passan:Yeah, that doesn't help. That doesn't help when I come in here and Ty's like, oh, you'll figure it out. Don't worry. Oh, by the way, the Yankees just won the greatest game I've ever seen in my freaking life. All right, shut up. Don't want to hear that. Got to hear about Roman Anthony from you guys. It's just a lot of stuff is going wrong. I'm going to need to hit a home run here from Roman Anthony

1:33:57Pat McAfee:or things are going to get really tested. Well, Connor is a 19-year-old who's just coming in and been a darling. This guy's all over the place. He's got range. He's huge. He's 19. Can't hit. So fast. Can't hit.

1:34:08Jeff Passan:But we're not talking about that. What do you mean he can't hit? What are you talking about? He's aiming like drives. You can't freaking hit. Guy was two for four last night. He's still under 200. I can't freaking hit. The guy's on base percentage is over 300. To Conor's corner right there. He's aiming hits. That's not even how you spell Conor, man. No K in it.

1:34:28Pat McAfee:Got locked up. There's no K in Conor because he doesn't strike out either. That's the only K. That's on balls. That's the only K that he's got. Those cones have been stolen from a traffic and construction area. Yep. And the people of Pittsburgh, I think PennDOT are not happy.

1:34:41Jeff Passan:No, they're not.

1:34:42Pat McAfee:PennDOT says, listen, we only have budget for a certain amount of fucking cones. You guys hoisting all these things everywhere. needs to stop. That's mine. They're actually seeing it. This one has a tag on it. It's only a matter of time. They're going to have construction

1:34:56Jeff Passan:companies lined up outside the stadium like ice agents. That's my code. Give that back. Give me back that code. Right now. I see my freaking logo on it. Give it back.

1:35:09Pat McAfee:It's a big deal. Hoist the cone, baby. Hoist the cone!

1:35:14Jeff Passan:Oh, leadoff double for the Brewers. I'm done with this team, man. Just freaking happened. I'm watching it right now.

1:35:23Pat McAfee:Sources tell Jeff Bassin, available tomorrow. Congratulations on the new show. Congratulations on everything. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. Thank you, boys. Appreciate you having me. And yeah, we'll be on ESPN News at 6 o 'clock tomorrow. The full episode will be on YouTube next week on April 14th and on all of the finest podcast platforms in the ESPN app. So please go watch, listen, subscribe, and it's going to be fun. You're saving the business, Jeff. Saving the business. Talk about the Marlins on there. What's that? Talk about the Marlins. Maybe they should let their aces stay in the game.

1:35:59Are the Marlins good? I mean, they're all right. Darius, Darius. They pulled Sandy last night. Why the hell they pulled Sandy, Jet? That's a good question. Sandy's looking pretty good, though. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Their whole pitching staff's been awesome right now. And you know what's interesting about them? They're calling pitches from the dugout. Their catcher's not putting down signs. Their catcher doesn't have a pitch. You've got to hold these guys' hands, unfortunately. They have a coach relaying to the pitcher what pitches to throw, and they've been one of the best pitching staffs in baseball this year.

1:36:28Is that D-Row? So it's worked?

1:36:30Jeff Passan:No, definitely not. Matt Dogg was pretty upset about that this morning. Wait, is the pitcher wearing an earpiece then and not the catcher? I think the catcher. Correct. Pitcher's got the earpiece in his hat. So then the catcher doesn't know what's coming? I saw him looking at a wristband. catcher has an earpiece too, just doesn't have control over it. And normally it's inverted? Normally it's just the catcher calling the pitches, going straight to the pitcher. But the idea is if a catcher can be freed up from pitch calling, from the scouting reports, from all the things that he needs to do, he can focus on other elements.

1:37:08And, you know, suddenly you have like your game theory guys who are scripting out pitches and what they're going to look like. and they are able to optimize that from the bench perhaps better in real time than the catcher. Theoretically, some catchers think that's a bunch of garbage and want to keep calling the pitches themselves. Our catcher's raking right now. He does have three home runs, I believe, on the air. So you don't have to think. Yeah, we're innovative down there.

1:37:31Pat McAfee:The Marlins? Yeah. Certainly are. You felt the vibe down there. I have visions of a championship team after that. It's a great ballpark. You got to experience what Marlins probably do a lot. Ponche, Ponche. It'll be all right. It's actually the opposite.

1:37:45Jeff Passan:Their pitching staff walks people at a historic rate, which is probably why they're going to stink this year.

1:37:50Pat McAfee:Is it because the call is from the dugout?

1:37:52Jeff Passan:I'm not saying that. In the big leagues, you typically can't walk 30 guys over a three-game series and expect to win too many baseball games.

1:38:00Pat McAfee:Is that because the catcher might know the pitcher's a little bit better from where they're sitting than maybe where the dugout's sitting at?

1:38:05Jeff Passan:Could be. Maybe he just has a better relationship with the guy, knows what the guy likes to throw on certain counts. Not that the guys in the dugout wouldn't know that, but it is just kind of weird that they're the only team in baseball that does that.

1:38:15Pat McAfee:And they have the most Rockies too.

1:38:17Jeff Passan:Oh, okay. Well, the Rockies fucking stink and they have for a long time.

1:38:20Pat McAfee:Jeez. Rockies just get brought into this and murdered immediately. They've had a pretty good start. I will say. Okay. So they don't stink this year. Is anybody having success to the pitcher? Yeah. I mean the Marlins ERA, since they started it has been a point plus better. Like they've been very good. And also the Mets are doing it a little bit too. So this is, I think this is going to be within the next five years, 75 % of teams are going to be. Oh, a pitch. They're going to have like a pitch coordinator who's going to be the one calling the pitches. It's exactly right. Yep. Okay. Maybe I find my way into being a pitch coordinator.

1:38:53Pat McAfee:Yeah. A PC. I cannot wait until we're doing this number in the dugout. We got an entire thing. Hey, why don't you go ahead and fucking knuckle this thing right here? Drop him to his knees. Remember, we're trying to drop him to his knees right here. Okay, there it is. Can't leave that hanging like that. You cannot leave that hanging like that. Okay, please. All right, let's back him off the plate a little bit. It looks like he's a little bit too comfortable. You can't hit him, asshole. I didn't tell you to throw him in the head. I like that. Anything added bonus for me as a non-baseball traditional purist, I like it.

1:39:25Pat McAfee:I assume your baseball people are going to hate it. But, hey, baseball's in a good spot. Stars are playing well, except for the Boston Red Sox. We appreciate the hell out of you, Jack. Good luck with your podcast. Thank you, boys. I appreciate you having me. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Jeff Passant. Yeah! Yeah!

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1:41:41Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new segment. AJ, you're going to love this one.

1:41:45Jeff Passan:Yes. Okay. I can't wait. Hey, I've heard a little bit about it. Let's see what's going on.

1:41:50Pat McAfee:Okay, so I like that you've heard a little bit about it. You've been teased a little bit about what's going on. This morning in the Thunderdome, we tasked ourselves with covering the Masters in a different way than everybody else who has talked about the Masters. But also, I would like to give a little bit of a heads up on who's potentially going to win this thing. So we started accruing data and statistics from ESPN Research, from Hembo, from tweets online. And basically, everybody was laying out a bunch of reasons and who should win and who has won. So we thought to ourselves, how can we see the group of people that could potentially win and then whittle them away?

1:42:20Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Masters Champion Guess Who. Okay. Obviously the game Guess Who back in the day, and I assume it would still be absolutely fantastic if we were to play, was where you were trying to guess which person the other person picked. Does he have a mustache? He'd say, no mustache. And he'd go, knock down everybody that had a mustache. He's wearing glasses. Not wearing glasses. Everybody with glasses. So we went through a bunch of stats that would kind of knock everybody out and get to a point where we have a board. and then a cluster of who we think the history of the stats of the Masters are telling us could be the champion.

1:42:57Pat McAfee:Are you ready to guess who? Yes. Are you ready to guess who? This may be the most excited I've ever been for a second. Okay, so let's start with the entire field that we need on the board. Each of the last four Masters champions and five of the last six won at least one tournament in the four-month lead-up to the Masters. Who qualifies to be on our Guess Who board? Well, boom, here it is. These are the 14 gentlemen who have won a tournament in the last four-month lead-up period. So Masters tells us, the most recent Masters tells us, one of these 14 guys is going to win the Masters this weekend.

1:43:34Pat McAfee:So let's go to the next qualifier because guess who? We've got to eliminate some people, do we not? Let's go with the average age of the last five winners is 28.8, which is the lowest in a five-year span by the Masters champions since 1981 to 1985. It's a young man's game. So who is near the age of 29? We got rid of the outliers. Super young, super old. Around the age of 28, 29, you can stay. Who's that eliminate?

1:44:03Jeff Passan:Okay. Ooh.

1:44:05Pat McAfee:Just eliminated five guys. Now we're down to nine. Obviously, Goddard up Scheffler, Morikawa, Jacob Bridgman, Nicholas Etavarius, Cam Young with an incredible beard, Matt Fitzpatrick, Bryson DeChambeau, and John Rahm hanging on down there. Okay, so these are the men who are still around after we get rid of some of the qualifiers. Now, since the official world golf ranking was established in 1986, 34 of 40 Masters winners in that span were ranked inside the top 30, including the last 16 champions. Wow. So who of this nine is not in the top 30? Oh! Okay. See you later, guys. That's the Italians.

1:44:47Pat McAfee:As Ravaria is gone. Now we're down to eight that it could potentially be. Let's go to the next qualifier. Qualify for 14 of 19 historical trends from Ron Close at PGA Splits 101. He laid out a really long tweet about all these 19 different qualifiers. 14 of 19 have won basically all of them. Bang, here it is, Ron Close. Thank you so much for doing all this. The trends at the Masters, the trends at the Masters, knowing who it is. Let's go ahead and get rid of the people who do not qualify for 14 of the 19 of Ron Close. See you later. And this is the cluster that you end up with. After you add all the qualifiers, after you add all the stats, the age, the knowledge, the known, the this, the that, it's down to these six.

1:45:37Pat McAfee:We do not have another one that can go ahead and tell you exactly who it is. but stats tell us and trends tell us and the masters itself is telling us one of these six will be the masters champion this weekend and we like to say to them congratulations wow yeah aj pretty flawless uh reasoning of thought that we just kind of laid out there your thoughts on

1:45:59Jeff Passan:the final six that we have found yeah i mean it reading all of this stuff and going over it does like uh you know it does make you think this will be the case when it comes to it i can't wait to see Monday morning when we come back and we can replay this clip and say, and one of these six guys does win the tournament. That's going to be a pretty cool little clip that I guess Toc can put together and say, hey, you guys pretty much predicted the future.

1:46:19Pat McAfee:Yeah, on that note, great work with the graphics, D-Bone. Yeah. And Zito making it come alive. Bruce Brown accruing all the stats. Hembo helped us out. Obviously, Close helps us out, but it felt like everybody was like projecting, hey, this is who's going to win. This type of person. This type of person's going to win. This type of person's going to win. Stats say this type of person's going to win. It felt obvious for us to do a guess who and it felt obvious for us to get down to the final six very pumped that we did that especially as i chased the crown this week yeah you have to chase the crown and obviously

1:46:46Jeff Passan:you know you look at these guys and they're all known names because they're in the top 30 they win tournaments uh all these guys are in the top 10 of odds this weekend um so wouldn't be a surprise but it's kind of it's fun to to kind of whittle down to those guys to see who it could be based on just all the historical data of like none of these guys are first time guys they've all been They've all made cuts in the last few Masters that they've been in. But, yeah, that was the best thing we've ever done.

1:47:11Pat McAfee:I think so. I think we put some real thought in here.

1:47:12Jeff Passan:That's great.

1:47:13Pat McAfee:You know, it's had some real – no flawed thoughts.

1:47:16Jeff Passan:No. No, because – So nobody, like, sneaks out – nobody – what they're saying, the trend shows that people aren't just coming out of nowhere and winning the Masters, right?

1:47:23Pat McAfee:Yeah, Sunday's too big. Yeah. It feels like it all feels too big for – you have to be there, you have to experience it, you've had to have done it, is what the stats and analytics tell us. But, hell, maybe this year is a different year, which is why golf and sports are so electrifying.

1:47:36Jeff Passan:Yeah, like Dan's you say earlier, nobody has ever had their first win at Augusta. You're not going to see something like that. It's going to be one of those guys. I mean, even the ones that you knock down, you still would think like, hey, Justin Rose, he came in second last year. He's got a chance. Like Rory, you know, going for – Wake off his – Yeah, he'd be the fourth back-to-back. I think it was Nicholas Woods and then one other. Gary Player, maybe. Gary Player, maybe. Yeah, I'm not sure. But still, he would be the fourth one to do it ever. That would be even really cool. The one to – we should let everyone know who's watching because they might not know it.

1:48:10Jeff Passan:The one guy up there who is up there, Colin Morikawa, the last time he played he withdrew. He is playing this week. He's on the course. He's practicing. He did a practice round with I think it was Scotty and a couple other guys. He only hit driver once, I think, in that practice round. So if you were looking to maybe not roll the dice on someone. Don't be on my team. He'll be Colin Morikawa. But as I say that, he's probably going to go out and win this tournament.

1:48:31Pat McAfee:There's a chance because he's great with his irons, right, which they're saying is going to be a big deal. It's going to be dry, allegedly, so the ball's going to be long, so close to the greens. How are you going to be able to operate? If you've got good hands, probably going to win. But it's the Masters. It could be anybody's game, A.J. Hawk.

1:48:45Jeff Passan:Yeah, it could. I can't wait, honestly. I've been looking for – every year this week is awesome, but I think this year especially, I don't know what it is. There's a little extra added juice to this one. Is A.J. going this year? Did you go last year? I don't think I'm going down, no. You're going to go, aren't you?

1:48:58Pat McAfee:Yeah. I don't know. It felt pretty...

1:49:02Jeff Passan:I mean, I'd say so. Join him up in the booth.

1:49:05Pat McAfee:I know, but it's so nice. Everything I've heard, I don't know if I'm the right guy to be walking around there. You know, that's kind of how it goes. But getting to experience that would be electrifying.

1:49:12Jeff Passan:I think there's a lot of people walking around.

1:49:13Pat McAfee:Yeah, a lot of people

1:49:15Jeff Passan:that shouldn't be there, I bet. I mean, you just got to pay for it. Okay, so I'll just be... Okay, good. You just got to pay for it. I mean, there's 100 ,000 people there. I mean, Shane Gillis was there.

1:49:24Pat McAfee:Shane's supposed to be here, though. Shane is, you know... Let's just... You're right. I guess Shane... Actually, now the thought is who would be there. I haven't even done this whole game.

1:49:35Jeff Passan:A lot of people. A lot of. They just put out a story. I can't remember who did, but they said that there's twice as many private flights coming into the regional airport in Augusta as there was last year because it's just continually more business, very successful business people and celebrities are trying to get there.

1:49:54Pat McAfee:All right, so I'm not going to be an asshole and turn that down. No. That would be a super asshole move to not do this. I mean, you get an opportunity to do this and you don't do it. you got to be the dumbest human of all time. All right, so let's assume I'm down there. You won't. No, what the fuck am I wearing? Okay. We'll get to all that. Right there.

1:50:09Jeff Passan:That's it.

1:50:10Pat McAfee:Maybe shorts.

1:50:11Jeff Passan:Maybe I'll wear a green jacket. Yeah, probably shorts. Wear a suit and tie. It's supposed to be 85 degrees, so maybe shorts instead of the pants. With a lot of pockets so you can buy a bunch of merch and just stuff your pockets with.

1:50:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, and just maybe I go to a store buying something new to wear. Keep the green jacket that I bring down myself.

1:50:29Jeff Passan:Bingo.

1:50:29Pat McAfee:Could you imagine me wearing a green jacket I bought off of Amazon? You need to text Fitzmagic now

1:50:35Jeff Passan:to get one of those seats. Which one? He's working his ass off for. Fitzmagic runs.

1:50:42Pat McAfee:We'll be off tomorrow and Friday as we celebrate watching the Masters down at Augusta. We'll be back Monday. I'll be in San Jose on Friday night, AJ. A lot to say. San Jose. A lot to say. I can't wait.

1:50:55Jeff Passan:I can't wait. Is there any special guests that are going to show up the night of?

1:50:59Pat McAfee:Hey, listen. Friday night, SmackDown. Okay? That's all you need to know. Anything's possible. Anything is possible. All right. Business is going to be safe for sure. The future is going to run through Mr. Randy Orton. Okay? Obviously. That's what we need to know. And we can let him know. You know, that's certainly what we'll do. And I can't wait to get there. There's been a lot. It's gotten real loud, hasn't it? Feels like some people even learned WrestleMania is coming up. Huh. That's crazy. It's big. It's on ESPN's platform. We are pumped about that. The relationship between WWE and ESPN is going to be one that is fantastic.

1:51:35Pat McAfee:Because at this WrestleMania, the first one on ESPN's platform, Randy Orton's saving the business. Thank goodness. This is a once-in-a-century type evening. Come join us in Las Vegas, and I'll see you live on Friday from SmackDown in San Jose. I got some stuff to say. There's been a lot said about me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I accidentally did one of those Q &As on the IG story. Oh, yeah? How'd that go? That opened up messages. Yeah. Accidentally? People are saying some mean stuff. I'm going to let you know. Remember, I have a microphone, too. You know, back in the day, on the internet, I used to be able, when people would talk shit to me or say very grotesque things about, like, my kids, you know, things like that.

1:52:19Pat McAfee:I would be able to go through their account, their profile, scroll through, find photos, screenshot photos of them, learn about them, too. let me go ahead and do a little uh maybe an hour of research on this person let me just go ahead and learn about this people think i'll never do that oh i got time especially whenever you say you want my daughter to die or whatever it's like okay so i do this whole thing i have a couple cooks of these people but if i do that i'm weaponizing my followers you know because i'm a bully then i can't defend myself with these people but i got a lot to say friday night there'll be one of these and one of these and there'll be a script okay we'll see the script goes randy orton's gonna to save the business.

1:52:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, Viper's going to be there. Okay, Randy Orton is going to save the business and win 15-time World Championship at WrestleMania. We hope everybody will join us. It's coming up soon. Now, before we get out of here for the week, we've got to continue our seg that we will continue to do all offseason because bloopers are fun, but just getting an opportunity to say, Oh, no! is an absolute blast, especially in the sports world. We all understand sports can bring you great moments. It can also embarrass you. If you live in the paint, you're going to get dunked on every once in a while. And if you're in baseball, there's a chance you get got.

1:53:31Pat McAfee:Now, let's go to the Blue Jays, White Sox. What is this, Ty Schmidt?

1:53:36Jeff Passan:This is Tyler Heinemann. So, not great initially. You kind of don't know what the hell you're doing, but we got a pickle here. So, it's okay. Oh, never mind. You know, you're trying to get one out. You end up flushing that thing into the outfield. and what should have been the end of the inning is going to end up being a two-run play for the Chicago White Sox. Just not good.

1:53:56Pat McAfee:And all it makes you think about Toronto is, Oh, no! Let's stay in baseball. The other Chicago team also involved. Cubs at Rays. Foul ball by Matt Shaw. What happens afterwards is certainly grotesque. Pitch in. Ball hit. It's going to be a foul. It's going to go into the crowd. Maybe somebody will take one home. Big man. Breaches. Breaches. Oh, no. Cheeks out. Cheeks massive. That makes you go, oh, no. Let's go to Boston. Obviously, it's been a topic of conversation as the oh, no train continues. Brewers get a nice smack in the left field. Roman Anthony, young stud. Oh, no. Oh! Misses cutoff and catcher in the middle of quite a predicament of not being able to throw the ball where he wants it to go.

1:54:54Pat McAfee:People are saying his arm's spaghetti and linguine because he's a great Italian man. Roman Anthony will be back, but in these moments, you can't help but say, Oh! No! Let's go to Cubs at Cleveland. Heron pitching here. Obviously, it's a magical time. A lot of spin on the ball. Is that a strike or both? Oh! Oh! Oh, no! Right in the Easter basket. Let's go to Orioles' game. Taking on the Rangers. Orioles pitcher, Chris Bassett. Missed his throw to home. Chris. Oh, no. Chris. Is it going to get worse for Chris? Let's see. Obviously, you missed this. And then just a few days later in the beautiful city of Pittsburgh.

1:55:37Pat McAfee:Bassett! 110 miles an hour off the thing makes Chris Bassett say, Oh, no! Is this the worst start to a season you could possibly have? it'll get better brother let's go over to basketball on the oh no train gino ariema afterwards with don staley they've shaken hands they've moved on obviously we're happy for the good of sport i love a little drama but everybody's saying it's oh gee no and let's stay in basketball don't be talking about joker when his brothers are behind you because there's a chance you might run into a joker train. Sit your ass down, he said. Now, I would like to ask a question.

1:56:20Pat McAfee:What if this guy was a John or a Yinzer or a Masshole and stood up? Is there a chance we see it? Potentially, it makes us all go, oh, no. And we all know the March Madness National Championship bet. Dan Orlovsky has to wear an earring with an M dangling. And to him, we say, oh, Dan, no. And that's oh, no. And we're off for the weekend. We'll see you on Monday. Have an incredible Masters weekend. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. I'll see you on Friday night in San Jose. Goodbye. All right. Good work, boys. That was a great week.

1:56:55Pat McAfee:Great run. Hell yeah. Had to get on all in two minutes. Sorry, AJ. We just kind of kicked you off the screen there. That was great. I enjoyed it.

1:57:01Jeff Passan:Has Dano, have we seen Dano yet with the earring on anywhere?

1:57:04Pat McAfee:He should have never agreed to that. This was a very. He made a wrong decision.

1:57:08Jeff Passan:Shocker.

1:57:08Pat McAfee:Crazy bet. Yeah, it was a bad bet. And I watched the conversation where Will was on the phone and Taylor and him are talking and where they want to, what they want to. It's like one ear piercing is a very aggressive loss. The blue dye head, that thing's growing out. He doesn't care.

1:57:24Jeff Passan:He's covered in tattoos. He doesn't care if he has blue hair. They worked Dano a little bit.

1:57:29Pat McAfee:Dano agreed to it. We'll be excited to see if it happens. We'll also be excited to see how the weekend goes. Greatest weekend in sports, I'm saying. Yeah. Let's enjoy it all. The NBA wraps up. The Masters is happening. Obviously, the NHL is cooking. They're having their highest ratings they've ever had. Football is going to continue to gossip, and we will cover it all. Thank you all for the work this week. Hell yeah. Great work. Great work. Great work. Great work. Boy Augusta. Great work. It's going on. Boy Augusta. What's his name, Chris? Chris Vernon. Love him. AJ, great work. It's great to see you back.

1:57:58Pat McAfee:Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Have the greatest weekend of all time. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. From 30 for 30 podcasts.

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