PMS 2.0 1537 - Wrestlemania 42 Recap, Adam Schefter, PGA Tour CEO Brian Rolapp, Andrew Whitworth, Iman Shumpert, Dr. David Chao, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

13:57Pat McAfee:Number one seed we'll lose every once in a while. You guys will get back in there? We'll get back in there. We're a young team. That's what happens. Oh, because normally one seed wouldn't be a young team. Normally they'd be pretty comfortable with the moment. Now you guys get in a big dance and all of a sudden your dancing shoes will disappear. That's not good. I don't like that at all. Is Cade playing? Cade, 39 points. He was awesome. Oh shit, I love Cade. So you guys stink as a team. Cade went for 39? Cade went for 39, Tobias 17, everyone else single digits. The other guys need to step up. Jalen Duren, our center, got out-physicaled last night.

14:34That can't happen. He will bounce back. I trust these guys. I trust the coach. They'll be okay.

14:38Pat McAfee:I like the way you said out-physicaled instead of what you wanted to say. You know what I think everybody else was saying? Yeah. I don't like that because just remember that all these guys, okay, people need to remember this on the internet and at WrestleMania, maybe if they're sitting in the front row, All these guys could snatch you by your necks.

14:53Darius Butler:Yeah, seriously.

14:54Pat McAfee:And lift you up like a movie. And do one of these if they wanted to. We got to remember that. But they're not here right now. No, they're not. And he's done. And people are saying that the Detroit Pistons are a bunch of frauds. They want to say it. You guys wanted to say it again. I'm not saying it. They wanted to say it. I didn't know what we were going to say, so I just. You yelled into the mic there. You can say it. Okay, NHL playoffs obviously happened this weekend. Four and three straight up were the favorites. It's con man. I heard the NHL playoffs were electrifying while we were doing WrestleMania.

15:23Yeah, fantastic. You mentioned it, Kane Senators. It started with a throwdown fight. It was the first game to kick off the entire playoffs, and it was wonderful. Brady Kachuk, Jordan Stahl, basically just throwing bombs. This is what hockey's all about. We talk about the moments that playoffs have. This is going to be one of them when we look back on it once this thing is said and done. Like, hey, yep, someone's hoisting the cup. How did this thing start? Boom, with fists flying. After this, it was pretty much a tame game. Simple, 2-0 beatdown. Logan stank over and do the stanky leg. He scored the first goal.

15:56And that was all she wrote in that one. The next game, unfortunately for you, was Flyers-Pens. Flyers-Pens, I mean, hey, it was a good game. It's a rivalry game. This thing's going 7 no matter what. So I wouldn't be too, too upset. But, yeah, third period, 1-1 game. And Flyers just kind of ran away. They scored two goals. Rusty actually put one in before it was all said and done for the Pens, but that one right there was kind of your game winner. Flyers march into Pittsburgh, and you are unfortunately one game closer to possibly wearing a suit with that bet with the governor.

16:33Pat McAfee:I saw a lot of people talking about stats about if you win the first one of a seven-game series, what's the likelihood of you winning the entire thing. Just look at the Flyers' likeliness to win the cup. And then let's look at those stats, and then let's look at Sidney Crosby's stats in that entire. Tonight, game two in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sidney Crosby and the boys will attempt to get back into a series. You go 0-2 into Philly. I don't want that. You're dead.

17:03Darius Butler:That's not happening. If that happens, you're dead. It's not happening. Hey, what team is Sidney Crosby on?

17:09Pat McAfee:Not the team that would ever go 0-2 into Philly. No. I hope not. It's a pivot away from you thinking about that. Are people calling you guys... No. They're not... Frogs! No! You pig! That's what people are saying. No! Let's get away from all of it. Let's go to the NFL, please. Can we go to the NFL? Hell yeah. At least we go to the NFL. And a huge trait. Dexter Lawrence leaves the Giants and heads to the Cincinnati Bengals. What? Joining us now is a man who might tell us how the hell that all went down. Senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter. Yay! Schefter! Shefty, C2 through C5. I'm getting the scans back in the morning.

17:46Pat McAfee:You can tweet it. You're welcome. Now, let's talk a little bit about the NFL. Dexter Lawrence, he's a member of the Cincinnati Bengals. I had no idea that the Bengals did this. I had no idea that they would trade the number 10 overall pick. I had no idea that they work an extension for$28 million. He'd be up. He's through 2028 with the Bengals now with an outsider. How'd this come together? This is a gigantic move, I think, for the team in Cincy.

18:10Dr. David Chao:Well, what I would say here, Pat, is that it had been brewing for a couple of weeks, and the Giants and Bengals had been talking really for the last week. And the Bengals were willing to offer the 10th overall pick in this draft. The Giants wanted more. They went back and forth, and I think it became apparent to the Giants that they weren't going to get more than the 10th overall pick. And ultimately, they felt like it was in their best interest to go ahead and make that deal. They pulled the trigger on that deal on Saturday night. They get back the 10th overall pick. And this really, to me, is interesting on so many levels because now the Giants have two of the top 10 picks in this draft.

18:49Dr. David Chao:The two New York teams have 25 % of the top 16 picks in this draft. And the Giants here are going to be able to get two real difference makers for John Harbaugh in his first year as the head coach from the Bengals standpoint. Massive season ahead for Cincinnati. Huge year for Joe Burrow. And the Bengals know that they have to win for Joe Burrow and they have to win now. So they figure that the player that gives them the best chance to have the best season this upcoming season, a critical year, is not any player they could take a 10, but rather Dexter Lawrence. And obviously they've gone through the mocks to project who they might or might not get.

19:31Dr. David Chao:It's not a deep draft at the defensive tackle position to begin with. and so the Bengals figure that this is their best way to use that pick and they make the trade first time in franchise history that they've ever traded a top 10 pick for a player which

19:48Pat McAfee:obviously is enormous I love that uh shout to Cincinnati trying to work on something that they have a fundamental issue with which is defense as well obviously whenever they pay T and Jamar and they have Joey everybody's like yeah we get it you're going to be able to score points will you ever be able to win an NFL game when it matters though if you don't have a defense they obviously he makes some moves. Interesting with Trey Hendrickson's situation over the last couple years, he's on the way out. Dexter Lawrence, obviously, interior defensive lineman. Hembo center versus Stett. Bengals D-tackles ranks since 2021.

20:16Pat McAfee:In sacks, 41.5, that's 28th in the NFL. 53 tackles for loss, that's 29th. 249 pressures, that's 28th. That's all since Geno Atkins retired. So, in the middle of that D-line, they have had a lot of problems, and obviously, Jonathan Allen comes in, and also Sexy Dexy. They're trying to fix that thing immediately. And in the AFC North, if you've got a good front, you can win. You have to have a good front to win. So I like that they're investing there. Congrats to them. Let's talk about a front. Trent Williams gets a two-year, $50 million deal. Is that what I heard? Two-year, Hunter? What is the two-year,$50 million extension?

20:53Pat McAfee:They were not going to let him out of the building, we would assume. And the San Francisco 49ers always having to make things happen for their players.

21:00Dr. David Chao:Now, this deal had been at the finish line for about two weeks now. And within the 49ers building, they thought every day was the day it was getting done. And today, the agent obviously announced that it was done. But they've been at this spot going over some language here for about two weeks. There was never a doubt that this deal wasn't getting done. The 49ers obviously have put a huge priority on Trent Williams. You see what he's accomplished. You see what the team has done this offseason. in terms of adding Mike Evans and Christian Kirk and bringing back Drake Greenlaw. And now obviously retaining Trent Williams on a two-year deal that includes$37 million guaranteed.

21:38Dr. David Chao:This was obviously a huge move ahead of the draft on Thursday night. The 49ers are sitting there in the first round later on. We'll see whether or not they stay there. They may not. But it's a situation where now, if you draft an offensive tackle, if you draft an offensive tackle, you don't have to rush him along. You've got Trent Williams. And the feeling in the organization had been, look, we want this guy. This deal's going to get done. And the agent announced that it was done this morning.

22:05Pat McAfee:Trent Williams, obviously a monster. Fantastic football player. First ballot Hall of Famer, we think. Yeah. We don't know what a first ballot Hall of Famer looks like anymore for professional football. But we think he would definitely be a first ballot Hall of Famer if all the voters are doing their thing. So fast, so nimble, so experienced. Now, can the Niners win a Super Bowl out there? Can they do it? They've had to deal with all the issues of a team that has won the Super Bowl. All their star players go from not making all the money to making all the money. They've had to go through different iterations.

22:37Pat McAfee:They obviously find their quarterback. They've had to pay the quarterback a lot of money. It's fascinating the kind of story this Niners team has been on. Now they need to win a Super Bowl. I'm excited to see if they can stay healthy and do that. Let's continue the trade conversation and business conversation of the NFL before we move to the draft. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shefty, big news out of you this morning. A.J. Brown is now likely to be traded to New England. I know a lot of people thought that might happen, then didn't think it would happen. But you putting this tweet out was huge news just for people to really believe it now.

23:08What is kind of this status? Is this just something that, you know, both teams are in agreement? June 1st will come. He'll get traded. and what do you see kind of the compensation to be? Will it be a first-round pick? Will it be a second and a third? What is kind of the next steps here for A.J. Brown to be a New England Patriot?

23:27Dr. David Chao:Well, there is no agreement on the deal right now, but I think that both sides expect that eventually, once they talk closer to the deadline, that they will be able to work out an agreement. New England wants him. Philly is open to trading him. And I think in the end he will get traded. My guess is it'll involve a future one at some point in time. I don't know that it'll be 27 or 28. The two sides still have to figure that out and see where they wind up. But I think the Eagles had been looking for a first round pick, at least for A.J. Brown. And I think they felt like they could get it and still feel like they can get it in the end.

24:03Dr. David Chao:So my guess is that trade will include a first round pick in the end when the two sides wind up agreeing to whatever deal. they come up with. There's not another team out there that I can see other than New England where A.J. Brown's going to wind up. And the news this week would be that they're not going to be doing this deal before or during the draft because obviously, as we've talked about, the cap ramifications are such that New England would have to take on too much money to trade A.J. Brown before June 1st. They're going to wait till June 1st.

24:36Pat McAfee:Hold on, Shep. Do I have Mandela effect here haven't we just post june one designated things a lot in the history of the nfl why does this one seem so like hey gotta wait till it's summer like legitimately why why because haven't we done this in the past where we've just said hey this is this and we're doing it june 1st or

24:57Dr. David Chao:june 2nd that's that's for a player being released you can't designate a trade as a june 1st trade And so there's a big difference there. And obviously, like it'll involve picks, but I'm not expecting that trade, really, to involve picks in this draft. It's not like New England's going to be picking for Philadelphia. They don't have the agreement in place yet. So they'll come to an agreement at some point here, right around June 1st. And at that point in time, A.J. Brown will be allowed to go to New England. but the rules of releasing a player don't work the same way that they do with trading a player.

25:36Pat McAfee:Got it. Okay. So thank you for the clarification there. And I like the fact that they're all just like, hey, late May. We'll frame this up. Hey, Jay, just hang tight. Okay, we got to do this. You know, the way this entire thing is we got to wait until May. Draft, obviously gigantic. There's been some big conversations about things should be designated before the draft even begins, especially in the host city. Diggs has a question for you, Shefty.

25:57Darius Butler:Yeah, I do, Shefty. Reports coming out today that it looks like the Steelers are not going to hear from Aaron Rodgers about whether he wants to play next year and not before the draft. Who said that? I believe I saw a Pelissero reporter. Yeah, no. A Pelissero in Rappaport, which is Shefter's pier.

26:14Pat McAfee:We've been seeing you sharing each other's shit, by the way.

26:17Darius Butler:So, you know, it felt like we were going to get an answer before the draft, or at least that's what the rumors were, and they're talking every day, and now Will Howard's going to be QB1 during OTAs. What's the latest on Mr. Rogers?

26:29Dr. David Chao:Well, it's exactly what we've talked about, where they essentially said that they thought initially it would be about a 30-day window before they got an answer from Aaron Rogers. That 30-day window came and went. Then they were hoping that they would get an answer before free agency. That obviously came and went. Then they were hoping to get an answer before the draft. And obviously that feels like now it's going to come and go without an answer from Aaron Rogers. and obviously the question will linger out there. Let's agree with these deadlines, though.

26:57Pat McAfee:Is this just them publicly saying, yeah, 30 days? Like, are they talking to Aaron about it? Like, do we know where the whole thing is? Like, how has this become our expectation? Because we, as people who have dealt with Aaron Rodgers, okay, not as much as maybe some folks who are with him every single day, if they're a team and everything like that, but we have obviously been, does Aaron know? Like, whenever they come out and say, hey, this is a 30-day thing, Was he informed of that? Because there's a chance he's literally off the grid somewhere and has no idea. Now, I'm not saying that's the actuality, but I'm just saying this dude is not like the others.

27:34Pat McAfee:This guy and people are like, no, he's not, blah, blah, blah. There's a reason he's allowed to be the way he is, though, is because of how damn good he is at football and has been. You ask any player or any coach, they say Aaron Rodgers is that guy. Now, on that note, does Aaron know the Steelers want him as quarterback? Is he looking at a contract every day? How much do we know? What do we know about that entire stuff, Shefty? Do you know anything?

27:55Dr. David Chao:Yeah, here's what I do know. I know that some people had suggested that, well, maybe it's not done because money is an issue. And I just was told that money is not an issue here. The contract's not to hold up. It's just Aaron taking time and doing what he does and operating on his own time schedule, whatever that is. When he feels like he's ready to give an answer for whatever reason. you know I think there's probably like again I think it's always dangerous to speak for him I don't want to do that but this is going to linger for a little bit it seems like okay so contract

28:26Pat McAfee:you said there so that's already the business

28:29Dr. David Chao:what's that contract's not an issue so the business

28:32Pat McAfee:has already been figured out between the Steelers and Aaron

28:35Dr. David Chao:I don't know if it's been figured out but I was told the contract won't be an issue

28:39Pat McAfee:I think because Aaron whenever he was on with us we haven't heard anything from Aaron's camp right has anybody heard anything No, no. Since the time he was on with us. He said, I don't have like a contract offer. Isn't that how he explained it? Correct. Yeah, he said he hasn't received any sort of contract offer yet. When was that? That was in? A month ago. Yeah, about a month ago. Post-Olympics, yeah. I wonder if that, has that changed? Do we know? Do we know if that's changed?

28:58Dr. David Chao:I just, in asking around, I was told, could this be contractual related? And I was told, no, that's not the case at all.

29:05Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what. We've been down this road a couple times before. Until it comes. Yeah. The 30-day thing's laughable. Someone who said, okay, we need your answer in 30 days. Like, what are we doing? You know that that's not happening. Okay? The draft, though, I think is a reasonable expectation. I agree. I think the draft is a reasonable expectation, especially with 12 picks and his new era, but still trying to go for it era. It's like, I think that's a reasonable expectation. I just wonder behind the scenes, because what we've heard from Aaron is that he doesn't even have a thing is what he said a month ago or whatever.

29:37Pat McAfee:If he hasn't said anything or hasn't come out publicly from him, we are going to not assume anything. Smart. Right. Okay, we are not going to assume anything. Can't. Because he will get his messaging out. Certainly. We know that. Yeah.

29:49Darius Butler:Yeah.

29:49Pat McAfee:Okay, we definitely and you know that. Yeah, you know that more than anybody. So I think the draft is reasonable. But also, there's a lot of things that have to go into that, I guess, that decision to be made. Good luck out there, Steelers fans. Just pick one! Good luck out there, Steelers fans. That's kind of what it is. Let's continue to talk about the draft, which is going to be spectacular this Thursday night round one obviously on ABC, ESPN, NFL Network. We'll be live. YouTube, ESPN +, Disney +, TikTok, and anywhere else that we miss. X Live, maybe. We'll be all over there. We cannot wait.

30:23Pat McAfee:Coach Cower will be joining us. AQ Shipley will be joining us whenever the big guys get drafted, which could be a thing, but obviously there's some big names that are starting to cook up for this particular draft. And rumors always this time of year are interesting. Go ahead, D-Bot? Absolutely. A quarterback who will definitely be in Pittsburgh, Ty Simpson. I just want to know your thoughts on him. And does that mean he's basically confirmed to be a first rounder? And then wide receiver Jordan Tyson heard he had a great pro day. Is he pretty much locked in to be the top receiver off the board based on what you're hearing?

30:53Dr. David Chao:I don't know if he's gonna be the top receiver, but he's gonna be a top pick. Him and Cardinal Tate, I think, will probably be the first two wide receivers selected. I would think that both have a realistic chance to go within the top 10-12 picks of the draft. Both will be off the board pretty quickly here. Those two guys, Tate and Tyson. You see the moves that Tyson made on Friday. The Giants spent a lot of time with him. It certainly feels like the Giants have a high level of interest in Jordan Tyson, attending his workout and having dinner with him and doing all those things, all the legwork on Jordan Tyson.

31:25Dr. David Chao:Tate obviously is still going to be a very high pick. Those will be the top two receivers. What was the initial question? Ty Simpson.

31:34Pat McAfee:Hey, on that note, just to wrap up your last thought about the wide receivers, Tate is currently minus 200 to be the first wide receiver taken on Thursday night on DraftKings currently. That'd be my guess, that he would go.

31:44Dr. David Chao:But I think there's enough Tyson love that it wouldn't shock me if Tyson went. But if I had a bet today, I would say I feel better about Tate going ahead of Tyson. But by the way, the Giants can go Tyson at five. They could do that. They could do that.

32:02Pat McAfee:It's all fluid, it sounds like, with this particular draft. And on that note, Ty Simpson now, Schefter.

32:07Dr. David Chao:Yeah. So, Ty Simpson, I think there are two teams that stand. You see, the odds makers are right here. The Cardinals and Jets are the two teams. Now, the Rams, if the Rams had had pick 29, which they traded to the Chiefs for Trent McDuffie, the Rams would have given him serious consideration right then and there at 29. And I'm not going to say that they still couldn't take him at 13. My guess would be no, but you don't know how the board's going to fall. And so to me, the odds come back to the Cardinals and the Jets. Now the Jets have the first pick in the second round on Friday night. Pick 33, the Cardinals at 34.

32:53And you know what's fascinating about that is that if we go back to the last week of the season,

32:59Dr. David Chao:The Raiders kicker, Daniel Carlson, made a 60-yard field goal against the Chiefs at Allegiant Stadium. Career-long 60-yard field goal that gave the Raiders the win that knocked them out of the top slot at the other rounds of the draft. They kept the first overall pick, but they would have had the first pick on Friday night. And because of that kick now, they don't. The Jets do. So the Jets are in position to go get Ty Simpsonpies there. I think the Cardinals absolutely can come up the board. And the Cardinals are listening or at least taking calls on pick number three. So I think those calls are expected to pick up this week.

33:39Dr. David Chao:We'll see whether Arizona stays at three or whether they move out. What's the matter, Pat? Your neck bothering you or something I said bothering you?

33:44Pat McAfee:Well, if you get my scans before I do, which I know you've done before. Yep. Okay. Yep. Let me know. Okay. Because I would like to get rid of this. But you know. I got him. I've learned my lesson there. I got him. Okay. Yikes. Hey, we all have our trials and tribulations publicly. We all have that. But on that note, you just kind of blew my mind there, which did kind of whiplash my neck, which is obviously C2, C5 kind of thing happening because remember, crossroads, commentator table, 80-yard sprint, RKO. You said the Raiders don't have the first pick in the second round. What? So, what? How? How is that?

34:20Pat McAfee:So how did they get number one overall? I thought that was a big deal.

34:23Dr. David Chao:It was done on strength of schedule. So they had the best strength of schedule or the worst, whichever you want to look at it. They got the number one pick. Now, the Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, and Titans all had the same record. So they rotated because it was on strength of schedule. So the Jets pick top of round two. Cardinals pick top of round three. Titans pick top of round four. The Raiders, I believe, traded the pick at the top of round five. And it goes like that, rotating. if Carlson had missed that field call the Raiders would have been topping in every round

34:55Pat McAfee:okay holy shit I feel like I'm learning a lot of things right now post June 1 designation I thought to myself as he was explaining that idiot we talk about this every off season that's what I was thinking now you're talking about this idiot we do a draft spectacular where all we do is commit all of our time towards the draft for some reason it is one of our biggest shows every year and we are very grateful to everybody that watches we should have known that We're in the draft. I got – we got – oh, by the way, ESPN. I'm making – or maybe it's the NFL. Who made the graphic?

35:29Darius Butler:I think it was Shefty, wasn't it? Oh, I don't know if he made it, but he was the one that tweeted it.

35:32Pat McAfee:Somebody announced – when they announced that I'm doing second round and third round picks for the Colts on Friday night or whatever, I'm back, excited to do it, honored to be a part of it. They put Pat McAfee undrafted. It's like – You can't be doing that. I said pick 222. Got the card. Do you know what you're going to say, Pat?

35:49Dr. David Chao:Pat, do you have an idea of what you're going to say when you get up there, or are you just going to wing it? When? On Friday night.

35:55Pat McAfee:Friday night, brother. We've got an event on Wednesday. We've got this show. We've got a fucking first round. You had that typed out on Thursday. You've got to wait for a scan, Sheff. Yeah, I don't even know if I see two or see five. Penns Flyers tonight, Sheff. Yeah, we've got Penns Flyers game two tonight. What are you talking about, Sheff? But, yes, I have an idea of what I'm going to say, because I don't know if you saw this. I'd like you to be a little bit more efficient on your reporting on the Indianapolis Colts happenings. Do you have the video of Daniel Jones arriving at the facility today on the Colts' Twitter, I do believe is what it was?

36:23Pat McAfee:You should see this guy's gate. Oh, we're peacocking in there. And after what I just saw Tatum do and what we know Daniel Jones was able to do with his ACL, I mean, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking the broken leg on one side, torn Achilles on the other is just fine. Okay, I'm thinking we're going to be A-OK at the quarterback position. Look at that walk. Look at that walk. Shefty, look at that walk. My quarterback. It looks good. Uh-huh. April 20th. You know what doesn't look good? For April 20th. Agreed. 420. Happy 420 to you, Shefter. You little stoner. I hope you have an incredible day today. Alec Pierce, he's out.

36:59Darius Butler:What? Wait, what? Sorry, what? What happened? Did he just get$100 million?

37:03Pat McAfee:What do you mean, out? He got the biggest in history. And he's done already? Well, Alec Pierce signed a four-year$114 million contract this offseason under one in ankle procedure that was sidelined on him for roughly three months. That was a long time. Three months? where are we on that one Shefty hey

37:21Dr. David Chao:hey he was your guest at the top of the show how did you miss it where were you on this one Shefty huh

37:27Pat McAfee:why didn't you ask him about it

37:29Dr. David Chao:why didn't you ask him

37:30Pat McAfee:I didn't know I was supposed to ask him about anything I don't worry okay we just got 114 fucking million dollars Pat Pat

37:37Dr. David Chao:he opened the free agent extravaganza on the Pat McAfee show

37:41Pat McAfee:the free agent frenzy yeah yeah yeah he said spectacular his draft free agency's a frenzy And this is chaotic to think about that Alec Pierce just had a big three months. He's at 12 weeks. What are we doing? Come on.

37:56Dr. David Chao:Anything else about the Colts that we need to know? Anything else? Yeah. Anthony Richardson's not there today. Kenny Moore is not there today. Both players have officially requested trades.

38:06Pat McAfee:Colts are so dead, man. Anthony Richardson, good luck out there. We think if you find your full potential somewhere, we will be happy. I was a believer towards the end. And I had, you know, because his upside is crazy. Good luck. Seemingly very unlucky. Kenny Moore leaving. Don't love that. Don't love that. Don't love Kenny Moore leaving at all. This dude's an incredible football player. He showed up. Now, granted, I think there was some injuries maybe? Yeah, a little banged up. He played. But he hits. I mean, he's in the middle of it. There's going to be a little bit of that. I think everybody understands that.

38:36Pat McAfee:Physicality. He's a great player. Zaire, okay, he gets traded at Green Bay. He made, what, one-third of our tackles? Yeah. I think he was in on every single tackle. Okay, he and I obviously had a happenstance that took place, but he was fucking every single tackle. Great player. Felt like he was in there everywhere. Yep, Pittman. Yep, Pittman. Michael Pittman, we love Pittman. Don't forget about Pittman. So we're going through a team transition as if we were like the Niners. Yes. At least you got a new GM, new coach. You're sounding negative right now, Pat. Go back to Daniel Jones. Walk in. Looking cool.

39:08We'll be in a good spot, all right? Let's hope that for Friday, too. Can we get you announcing a guy with the name Dan Jones or John Smith? And maybe they give you the correct phonetic spelling.

39:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, the Okereke thing really came back to get me in a bad way. His name's Okereke. But what did they tell you? Okereke. Spelled it out there for me. I'm excited to get back there. Side stage. Last time I did the draft pick, Roger Goodell looked at me and said, this is what you're wearing? That's right, bro. Wait until he sees his neck brace on Friday. We hope not. We hope there's no actual...

39:44Dr. David Chao:How long is the brace staying on? Huh? How long is the brace staying on?

39:49Pat McAfee:I mean, if he's got a broken neck. Get my scans back tomorrow. 18 months? Get my scans back tomorrow and I should know. C2, C5. C2, C5 is where they're looking. Most important one. Got a closer eye on C2 through C5. I told him I felt pretty good because whenever, you know, when Cameron came up there and the whole place started vibing, Ankh Murdo was doing a full bang. Tony Ayo bucket cap on looks so cool. In 50 cents, he straps in. It was hard not to start bopping a little bit. You know, there's a lot of this going on. Because bang! When jelly rolls you, I mean, your body loses hope. I don't think I've seen a table explode like that.

40:25Pat McAfee:Yeah, I got, I literally got I got shards of wood all over my entire body. It was a long weekend. Okay, last question here about the draft. Hopefully, though, you won't see this after I get scans back tomorrow. But once again, if you get scans early, I would like to sign a thing that says you can break the HIPAA law. Ty has a last question for you about the draft. Chef, Brett Veach said that he expects a lot of trades to happen on Thursday night, so he was excited for fans. But from what information is out there, it seems like most of the teams we hear from are interested in trading back. Where do you think this is going to end up?

41:00Do you think we're going to see more trades than normal or kind of right on line with what we've had the last couple of years?

41:08Dr. David Chao:Yeah, I think that when you look at the last two years, there were five trades on draft night in each of the past two years. I mean, we might get the same number this year. I'm not looking for any earth shattering moves. I'm looking for some moves where teams maybe jump up a few spots. We'll see how it goes. Like sometimes a player may fall into a spot like one of the two pass rushers could slide depending on how the draft goes to number five or six. So is there a team out there that's willing to jump up there and offer enough to make it happen? One of the pass rushers. Is one of the teams willing to go back?

41:45Dr. David Chao:I think we may get a team jumping up for Ty Simpson in the back of round one, the way that the Giants went up last year to 25 for Jackson Dart. That could happen. But I'm not looking for more than the five that we got the last two years. I think that would be surprising, but it's a strange draft in that regard.

42:06Pat McAfee:Okay. I can't wait to see it. We've gotten a lot of different reports from different sources from around the league on how they view kind of who's where. And it feels like it is a real crapshoot coming on Thursday night after about 12-13. Like, it feels like there's a real crapshoot. So, if one team likes somebody very much and they're falling, you could see a move up. At the tail end of something, you might see some teams that like a lot of guys. And they're like, all right, we'll get out of here. We don't need to be spending the first round on any of this type of stuff. Let's go to the second round.

42:33Pat McAfee:I think there is going to be some action late. I think that from my understanding, from our conversations around the league, I think there's going to be some action late. And I think it's not going to be devastating. Like, it's not going to be like a gigantic move, but it's going to be a lot of repositioning. I think there's a chance. That's what I'm saying.

42:49Dr. David Chao:There are a lot of teams. There are a lot of teams that want to move back. There are not as many teams right now that want to move up, But the draft hasn't started, and there's certain guys that haven't fallen to a certain spot to make those teams want to come up yet, yet in advance. But that could very well happen Thursday.

43:08Pat McAfee:All right. We appreciate the hell out of you, brother. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. That's Adam Schefter. Yeah, Schefter. I think the tail end of that thing is going to be some action. Oh, yeah. From our conversations. This is me trying to do some journalism as we will guide a five-hour show. Well. Maybe shorter, we'll see. But I think there's going to be a lot of moves, so I think that's going to reset the clock. It always kind of moves a little bit.

43:35Darius Butler:And I think a lot of it is position-based. There's seven offensive tackles who are supposed to be the best seven of the draft before that drops off. If those seven are starting to go in the teens to early 20s, then if the team in the later half wants to come up, They're going to have to do that because it falls off until guys are going to be taken in the third round.

43:54Pat McAfee:Ratings are going to be outrageous for this. We're so incredibly lucky that we're a part of it. A man who was part of the mastermind of creating it all. Former number two at the NFL. I believe the actual title was Chief Media and Business Officer. So that's CMO and CBO, I do believe, for the NFL. Was there for over 20 years. Absolute stallion of a suit. Oh, yeah. Like an actual absolute stallion of a suit. Now he's the CEO of the PGA Tour. Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Rolla. Yeah, Brian. Hey. How are you, Pat? Good to see you. Great to see you as well. Some would say you're a super suit, and I would say that the PGA Tour made the right...

44:33Pat McAfee:No suit on. Yeah, no suit on. I understand. Yeah, it's casual. We've got to do it. We're in the middle of the season right now. We've got 22 more events. Okay, we've got another major coming May 14th with the PGA Championship. Obviously, you're in work mode right now, but I think the PGA made the right decision. We would like to let you know that from the NFL. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you. No problem. Feels good. Okay, so whenever you go over there, obviously everybody assumes that your experience from the NFL will help the PGA kind of grow and blossom. Masters numbers up and to the right, we assume golf will continue to be that way, especially with the news that's happening abroad.

45:05Pat McAfee:We'll dive into that. But what do you think you bring from the NFL and the growth that you oversaw and saw happen with that league from a broadcast standpoint that you can take to the PGA? Like how much have you been relying on your information from the NFL? Well, a lot. Golf is not football. Professional golf is not professional football. But I will tell you, there are things I learned at the NFL and helped do at the NFL that I think can make professional golf better, which is why I took the job. One thing we were just adamant about at the NFL is never sitting still and innovating. And then second, make sure the product is really good.

45:45What you watch on a Sunday, make sure it's competitively good. Make sure the rules are right. Don't be afraid to change rules to make it better. And I think that's what we're doing here. I think we're spending most of our time with a group of players and some outside people trying to figure out how we make the PGA Tour product better. and we've got a lot of work to do, but I think come this June, we're going to unveil quite a bit and I think it's going to make not only golf fans happy, but it's going to make sports fans happy because this sport is growing like crazy and we just want them to connect a little bit more with the PGA Tour.

46:18Pat McAfee:Yeah, golf is a phenomenal sport. I did not play it as a child that much, but obviously I've gotten into it as I grew older. It's the perfect thing to have on the TV during the weekend, especially now with a daughter. I think people love the sport, obviously a lot of business and everything like that. There's a lot of people worried about the sport, okay? for whenever Liv came into the scene. There was a lot of worry about what the future was. I, not golf purist. I wish I was. That'd be great. I'd probably be a much better golfer if I was a golf purist. But I'm just kind of outside looking in.

46:45Pat McAfee:We all learned a lot about the PGA, I think, and how it operated. Then we watched the super duper swing show on Netflix. And it's like the schedule these guys have is insane. And then there's no guaranteed money. I think there was a lot of things that we kind of learned about the PGA Tour through the Liv. But a lot of people thought it was going to divide golf. Now, golf has obviously survived. PGA Tour has obviously thrived, and the future conversations about Liv are what they are right now, very, very loudly. How do you feel about how PGA has evolved since Liv started, and what is kind of the vision for you as you go forward with whatever happens with the competition, if that makes sense?

47:19Yeah, no, it makes sense. Look, I think Liv did what the AFL did for the NFL years ago. Maybe what the USFL did for the NFL years ago is basically competition can make it better. And I think whenever you get competition, you end up figuring out what you do well, what you don't do well. And I think that's what Liv did, was expose some things that maybe the PGA Tour could do better. how we can make it better for fans, how we can make it better for professional golfers, how we can make it better for our television partners. And that's a good thing. And I think the changes that the tour has made before I got here, the changes we're doing now, I think shows that when you do those things, fans go to where the best product is and where the best golfers are and where the best athletes are.

48:08And I think that's really, really important. So in a lot of ways, I think Liv did the professional golf world a favor in a lot of ways. And so, but again, I spend most of my time now thinking about the PGA Tour and how we do these things better. And so I think the future is really bright for us, and I think it's bright for professional golf.

48:27Pat McAfee:I think the PGA Tour got to showcase how much better it is, too. You know, we learned a lot about the PGA Tour, but then we also learned about a lot of the things the PGA Tour has done very well over as we turn over and look at something with a money putt happening with DJ Khaled in the back screaming, which I love WIDA best as somebody trying to win a tournament. There was like some things obviously flawed, but I think it was a showcase of what the PGA Tour was. Now, a lot of the boys on the PGA Tour roster took a lot of pride in the fact that they've represented the PGA Tour. You're about to go through a process here where I assume the PGA Tour is only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

49:02Pat McAfee:How is your relationship with the golfers? I know that you said you have a lot of meetings with them as you're trying to evolve the sport, but what is your relationship like with the golfers and how is it supposed to be, you think? Well, it's pretty good. You mentioned first thing when I got the job in something that maybe some people thought was crazy, but I thought it was a good idea was I was going to meet with as many of the PGA Tour members as I can. And I think I'm up to 85 or something like that. And these aren't short meetings. I've spent anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half with them.

49:35And I've learned a ton, but I think they're smart. They're driven. They know what they want. and I've learned a lot talking to them. They've given me a lot of good advice. So I think that's really important. But also I think it's important to remember the PGA Tour is different than most professional sports. When Liv came along and the PGA Tour started doing some things differently, one thing they did was essentially create a situation in a league where the players actually own part of the tour. So if you think about it, my shareholders, the people that I think most about are actually the players.

50:17That's not the same in other sports. Where I came from, it was owners and players, management and labor. It was a collective bargaining agreement. It was much different. It's a different feel here when members of the board and the people are the shareholders and they're players. So when you have that relationship with them, I think it's really different and unique, but also something pretty powerful where I like to think we're really aligned with where they want to go.

50:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, I would think so too. And I think the players, obviously, they see your resume. They hear about what you've been able to accomplish. They probably have a lot of respect and trust in what your vision is going to be, especially if you're keeping them in the loop. And what happened with the last guy that was in your seat, you know, that was all very public. That was all very, very, very, very public. Let's talk about one of the guys in your locker room that's obviously incredibly important to the game and to our lives, I do believe. Go ahead, Tone.

51:07Darius Butler:Yeah, Brian, I had a question because when I was watching yesterday, it's like this is so awesome that Scotty and Matt Fitzpatrick were in the playoff. And it feels like Scotty is in the top five, and it's not feels like he's in the top five every single week. How important is that for the tour to have your stars and Scotty be in the top five, top ten every single week in contention? Well, I think it helps. I think it's a lot. But, you know, Pat, you asked me about what I learned from my old job. so here's the thing about the nfl um i think and i'll get to your question in a minute the nfl works because when the cowboys are on television you'll watch or when the steelers are on television you'll watch or the giants because they're from a big market but why it really works is when the bangles are good you'll watch or the lions are good to watch and so in golf even right up to this lifting there is this perception that hey a tournament is only good if a couple of top guys are playing or the couple guys on the leaderboard on Sunday, when the reality is outside of the NFL, I can't find another professional sport where the competitive parity is so tight.

52:17So meaning that the difference between the number fifth ranked golfer in the world and the 50th is nothing. It's razor thin. It's a stroke over four days. And so I think when you see Scotty being at the top of the leaderboard, it's great. And the fact that he is top of the leaderboard almost every week is an amazing athletic accomplishment. It's really, really hard to do. But I also think what you're seeing is this tour is full of a lot of really good athletes and golfers and compelling. And we need to do a better job exposing it. But you saw that out on Sunday, right? You saw Scotty do what Scotty does, which is make a weekend run.

52:53But you saw Matt, what he did, and he consistently got there and won the tournament. And by the way, it was by a stroke in a playoff. And so I think on any given Sunday, that old expression, I think it applies to the PGA Tour more than almost any other sport.

53:09Pat McAfee:Oh, so you took that from the NFL. Okay, got it. That's what you took. That's what you took. I respect it. There you go. Yeah, patent it, trademark it. Talk a miss, you beat them to it. But it is real. That's like Cam Young comes into the scene. Gary Woodland, he eagled on 18 or whatever from like 200 yards. there's just like spectacular things happening all around uh your tour now the last question for you and we appreciate you so much for your time i think it's a very important one because the pga tour has always been the best battling against the best and everybody thought that was what's going to happen you know when everybody split divide but now you're in the middle of having to figure that whole thing out d but has the last question for you here yeah we talked about uh some rumors with the other tours and now with big game brooks coming back to pga tour we You saw some of the stipulations, I guess, from his deal.

53:53Is there like a defined path for players to come back to the PGA Tour? And is it kind of, I guess, situations are situational with a player-by-player situation? Or how is it? Yeah, I think we're thinking about it. Listen, we're reading all the same headlines you're reading. We don't know what's going on over there. We don't know. We know those guys are under contract. We'll respect that. Brooks came back onto the tour because he made a phone call and said, look, I'm out of my contract. I'm ready to come back. Um, so we're thinking about it. Um, you know, we're, we'll, we'll react when we have an opportunity to react, but right now we're focused on the make the PGA tour better.

54:31Um, but listen, I've said it publicly and I'll say it again. I'm interested in whatever makes the PGA tour better. That's what, that's what the, my job is. That's what I'm interested in doing. And, and that has no limit. So that's, that's how I'll focus on it.

54:44Pat McAfee:I appreciate the hell out of what you did for the NFL. I appreciate what you did for us okay brian knows that i'm uh i could get you know i could certainly tell people what a lot of people think i actually will say it which causes situations i would say uh brian you've always been very patient with me and us and very uh giving for us so we are very very grateful for you appreciative of you good luck out there we can't wait to continue to watch and i'm excited to see the up and to the right the roll app effect of the pga tour and the incredible sport that you guys have. Well, Pat, we need to get you guys out and experience a little bit of that.

55:19So, like, I need you guys to come to the Players' Championship next year. Whatever you want, we'll get you there. We'll give you a nice setup. You guys should come and have fun.

55:26Pat McAfee:You're a good man, Brian. We'll see. We will definitely want to come. We will definitely want to come. We also don't want to ruin any of these things. I was at Augusta. I watched the Masters last. We don't need to be anywhere near. I don't need to be anywhere near that type of situation, but we will certainly evaluate everything else, and we'd be honored. So we're very appreciative. All right. We'll see you then. How's your game? How's your game? Are you ass or are you good? Listen, I wasn't that great to begin this job. The funny thing is I play less golf in this job than I did before. That's the problem.

55:55So I'm getting worse. I'm getting worse.

55:57Pat McAfee:Now you lost all your bad habits. You're only getting better. Ladies and gentlemen, CEO of the PGA Tour, Brian Rolla. Yeah, Rolla. He's a dog. Yeah. Can you see your tweet? No, I'm not. I don't want to. We don't need to bring that up. We don't need to bring that up. We were getting pseudo-sued by somebody within the NFL who has a partnership with the NFL because we didn't clearly pay for graphics at one point, but we had highlights. So we couldn't use the NFL's graphics, but we could use the NFL highlights. I remember that. So my entire defense was, so can I pause the highlight? If I pause the highlight and the helmet's on there, that's a graphic.

56:35Pat McAfee:Can't pause. Okay. Okay, gotcha. So Brian Rollup got to hear me really in a full,

56:42Darius Butler:We were using Connor's logos.

56:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, we drove him up. Is this what you want? This is what I'm saying. Good time. Brian's like, can we please? That was a great time. Can we please? Please. We'd love to, Brian. Thank you. He's a weapon. Yeah. He can deal with everybody and anything. That's why he's perfect.

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58:11Pat McAfee:Sports! Are the greatest. I'm so sorry. I don't look like this.

58:15Darius Butler:It's not your fault. Yeah, don't apologize.

58:18Pat McAfee:Three people are to blame for this.

58:20Darius Butler:Kind of got backstabbed a couple times.

58:24Pat McAfee:That's a good call. Yeah, right. Cody Rhodes got me at a crossroads. Okay, I went for a big right. Once again, I didn't stop doing that. That's the Oculus.

58:34Darius Butler:That's the Oculus' problem.

58:35Pat McAfee:Jelly Roll, I did it to him. I had a high, big whooping one, and he whammy. He saw it coming. I said, I'm not doing it again. And there I am, granted stage of them all. He just posted to Randy Orton, that's my guy. The bell hasn't rung. He's not supposed to beat us in this spot. We were supposed to beat him at this spot. We're supposed to beat him down before this match starts so that whenever the match starts, he's already battered. He's already bruised. There's no doubt Randy Orton's going to beat him. He's already beat us. Then he flipped it on us, didn't he? Yeah, he did. Very quickly. Yeah, he knew.

59:03Pat McAfee:He's a crafty son of a bitch. And that's the thing about me. Grant, I've done everything in the wrestling business. You have. Okay, I've done everything in the wrestling business. That's the thing about being new in there, though. I get so excited. I'm like, oh, here's my moment. I'm going with a big one. And bang, he moves, catches the hanging pole. I'm upside down now. I'm in his armpit. I'm in his armpit.

59:20Darius Butler:It's not a good place to be.

59:21Pat McAfee:It's like I'm just like hypnotized. I can feel my body. I can't move it. Like, what am I doing here? I didn't know I was this flexible. I'm not. It hurt. Everything hurt. And then bang, right into the mat. And then all of a sudden, he kicks me out. I fucking fall out of the ring.

59:35Darius Butler:It's not a short fall. sack of bones to the ground.

59:39Pat McAfee:Yeah, in my head, it was a lot shorter than that. As I was falling through the sky, it was like whenever I'm in a dream and you know you're falling, that's what it felt like as I was and then that hits the ground. Lose my hair. Then all of a sudden, he picks me up, throws me up on a desk that I birthed.

59:56Darius Butler:Correct. That thing debuted.

59:58Pat McAfee:Okay. In an era in which I was on a commentator table. That's right. Standing on it on a regular basis, trying to get one a little bit thicker probably. Yeah. Where the hell did he come from? Good question. Great question. I haven't seen this ex-convict. He was a good man. But in this moment, I think he got lost in the sauce of 106 ,000 people or whatever it was, 106 ,000 tickets being sold. Things obliterate. Shrapnel. Cots, cots, bang, bang, splinter on my nipples. I mean, it's a bad spot that I got going on there. You're lucky to get one in your artery. Yeah, but I lost my control of my body.

1:00:33Pat McAfee:Had to get stretchered out of there. They stretched me out after Jelly Roll Jelly Rolled me. And that was whenever they saw it in the back, you should probably put a, look, that guy, that guy right there.

1:00:43Darius Butler:What did he say, like, help you get well soon? Oh, no, those marks, they aren't like NFL fans. No, no, no, they weren't waiting. You're saying some mean things you got to know.

1:00:52Pat McAfee:Like Lions fans. I'm saying really mean things. Really mean things.

1:00:55Darius Butler:That was the best. That was worth it all.

1:00:58Pat McAfee:And then I came back. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, because my body was checked. They were worried about my neck, but the body was A-OK. And, you know, Charles Robinson goes down. Let me get out here now. A lot of people are asking if this would have been official if I would have made it to three. We'll never know. You could have counted a little faster, I think, actually. Looking back at it. That was a big mistake. And maybe it was my neck brace. Probably. I should have counted quicker. You figured, Randy, would just have it. I got two at all back there?

1:01:26Darius Butler:That kind of says it all. Because you sprinted down that ramp, and you couldn't tie your shoe because of your neck, obviously. You trip over that shoelace, so that's going to be tough.

1:01:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, and there has been people that have not had good runs down ramps.

1:01:39Darius Butler:There was other people who did not break down going down that ramp this weekend.

1:01:44Pat McAfee:What's that?

1:01:44Darius Butler:Big Dog was going 100 miles an hour. He did not break down.

1:01:47Pat McAfee:You're talking about Braun Breaker? Yeah. Yeah, Braun Breaker did a nice little spear. I think it was nearly just a drop. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about just... Because now at the end there, he's a little drop off. Yeah. You know, and did I know that as well? I don't know. What a psychopath. Yeah, Braun Breaker's back. That's good. There was a lot of things I saw that I was like, it's good. Good internet. Man, it's really good. Dan Housen. Did you see it? Dan Housen, incredible. And his group. And his group of midgets, which Michael Cole said, that's exactly what they wanted to be called. Michael Cole said, before you cancel me online, this particular group of people told me that they want me to call them Hazen's midgets.

1:02:26Pat McAfee:And they were, weren't they? They showed right up there for Cena. Cena did a phenomenal job. Oh, my God. So good. And then Roman Reigns with what? Zero percent body fat? Yeah.

1:02:36Darius Butler:Yo. That was quite the difference. Those shoes.

1:02:37Pat McAfee:Is that zero percent body fat out there?

1:02:40Darius Butler:That was a hell of a show.

1:02:41Pat McAfee:Six-man tag. I'm sorry. Six-man six-pack ladder match. Did you guys watch that? Oh, yeah. McDonough. Spectacular. Spectacular. McDonough. McDonough. We knew it. I said in lead up, as I was trying to motivate my friend. Former friend. Yeah, I was going to say. I was trying to explain to him that everybody's ass. The only thing that's good is you. That was the hype up a friend. Put other people down to lift him up. That's what I'm doing. That is exactly what I'm doing to do it. I didn't even look at Sunday. So I said, Sunday, not worth a watch. This is what you need to be watching. A lot of people took that very personally.

1:03:21Pat McAfee:I can see that from my understanding this is what it's about right here a lot of people took that very personally and I would like to let everybody know I watched that Sunday from takeoff into the land perfectly timed a lot of people said it wasn't long enough but for me in my particular flight perfectly timed

1:03:42Darius Butler:Penta hit that Mexican destroyer on him

1:03:44Pat McAfee:on McDonough Rusev, did we know he was going to be in there what a perfect life that head thing. Oh, yeah. That was a good show. It was great. It was a good show. Brock and Obafemi. Unbelievable. I was not familiar with his game. I'll just say that guy's an absolute fucking freak of nature. Oba's a talent. SEC, baby. Yeah. No, not really, but you get it. Right. SEC shot put. Yeah, you're certainly really right. He's a monster.

1:04:11Darius Butler:I thought he played left tackle, baby.

1:04:13Pat McAfee:And how about him just eating an F5? Yeah. Eating an F5. Just getting right up and saying, how you doing? Unbelievable. way to kick off. I mean, that's too... You don't see that. No. That's just not... That's WWE.

1:04:26Darius Butler:That's what we've been talking about the whole time. Those are WWE superstars. Which, by the way, we learned. We learned, and we learned everything. Not that one guy in the main event on Sunday. That was a great match. That was a great match, actually.

1:04:38Pat McAfee:I said it was going to be shite. I was wrong, man. I'm a big fan of the direction WWE is going. A few years ago, they were calling Triple H, something else, and then we're going triple Ks and take his oil. They were saying that. As A's likes for milk. I mean, we got Oba. We got Javon Evans. Trick Willie. You know, Jade lost to Rhea. Welcome back, Rhea. You got the title back. But Rhea, by the way, she doesn't look nearly as Jack. No. She looked so explosive. Nimble. Yeah. That was awesome to watch. Yeah. And then Jade. That was game plan. I mean, I didn't know that. Creamy the crop. I didn't know that.

1:05:18Darius Butler:Built in the lab, looks like.

1:05:19Pat McAfee:Once again, we're continuing to talk. Yeah.

1:05:22Darius Butler:Here we are.

1:05:23Pat McAfee:WWE. You're right. Congrats. WWE, you guys are in great direction, man. Happy. You saved it. Congrats. You saved it. Yeah, certainly did.

1:05:31Darius Butler:They weren't in a great direction until.

1:05:33Pat McAfee:I tell you what, a lot of people took it very personally.

1:05:35Darius Butler:Well, and everyone still bitched about it regardless. Yeah. No way. Both nights. Oh, yeah. That's the thing we're bitching up the storm.

1:05:42Pat McAfee:Nah, well, hey, that's the business, baby. That is the business. That is the business. No matter what. Good luck to all parties out there. I would like to say about the American nightmare right there, Cody Rhodes. He just might be the right one. Yeah, that man's a WWE superstar. That might just be the right one. Just, you know, getting it. Because I've been studying him, you know. Tape. Yeah. I've been studying him, trying to help out, drop some things in there. Rain doesn't need my help in the ring. Okay, he's obviously ready to order. Well, I could have gave it to him. I wonder if I would have won over to the bell.

1:06:12Pat McAfee:And they would have been like, no. What do we do? I mean, were there any stipulations beforehand put in place that said you couldn't do that? To be clear, I sprinted through Gorilla. I was not in Gorilla. Like, I sprinted right by. What's that, man? Came flying out. Who was that? That's why there was no lights, no nothing. Just me coming flying in there. So much happened. I was going to save the day. Was the intro on TV when you introduced him? Because that was... The depiction of perfection. Yeah, that was it. Of professional wrestling. So much happened. Yeah, I thought about that a lot, you know.

1:06:41Pat McAfee:I realized in the moment that I certainly put enough thinking into that. instead of everything else that was going on. Yeah, it was an honor. It was an honor to be a part of it all. And WWE put on a hell of a two days out there in Vegas. Shout out to the roster. Shout out. They did a great job. Yeah, they did. Dan Allison is a problem.

1:07:05Darius Butler:Listen, if you got out on the weekend without getting cursed, you won the weekend.

1:07:08Pat McAfee:I will say I didn't meet the house.

1:07:10Darius Butler:And you didn't curse you? Whoa.

1:07:15and we're out of there.

1:07:16Pat McAfee:I saw him five different times. Always fool. Yeah, always. Are you sure it wasn't one of his guys? I didn't know the group of Michael Cole said it, not me. Midgets. Okay, that is their group's name. Little people is proper term. We do believe we've been down this road before. Michael Cole said this group would like to be called. I had not seen that particular group with the housing. Okay. I had not seen that before. Have you confirmed that his curses actually work? Yes, the Mets lost 11 straight or so. Well, Dan Haasen's from Detroit, and he cursed all of Detroit's enemies, and that would include the Orlando Magic, and we lost, and we're the one seed in the other game.

1:07:53The series isn't over yet. So I'm not a believer in Dan Haasen yet.

1:07:56Pat McAfee:Foxy, I would not be good at that. You better talk while you're in. Hear that, Dan Haasen? That's a bad idea. We better win a title, Dan Haasen. Foxy, that group is going to walk in here. Yeah. Okay, because of you. We're trying to stay out of the negative with that group. I need four wins in a row, Dan Haasen. All right, let's move on to talk about sports. NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs happen. Talks tables here at Boston Conner, at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tony's here. Going back to Pittsburgh this week. I cannot wait.

1:08:23Darius Butler:This is going to be the best week of the entire year. Not even close.

1:08:26Pat McAfee:I'm very interested. See, the view is going to be amazing. Yes. Okay, the optics of the draft are going to be incredible. Pittsburgh built for optically awesome things, especially with football, with where the stadium is, with all the history. I mean, it is going to be phenomenal viewing. I'm intrigued to see how many people, because there's a lot of Yenzers talking right now. A lot of Yenzers talking right now saying, I ain't going down here, you're right. And then what, am I supposed to come home or am I just fucking sleeping down here? How are we getting out of here?

1:08:57Darius Butler:That's who we are, we're going to bitch, okay? And it's supposed to be, what, 200 ,000 people a day? Who cares? Who cares what they think, okay? It's about the TV product. And if it looks good on TV, the rest of the nation thinks it was great. Doesn't matter.

1:09:09Pat McAfee:See, that's what the Yenzers are saying right there, because now they're adding to the – I actually kind of want to watch the city I love here on TV while it's happening. I don't know why I need to go.

1:09:17Darius Butler:I'm hearing a lot of people come around and be like, yeah, I'm going to go down to see it. I think push comes to shove.

1:09:21Pat McAfee:I think push comes to shove. Last day. I want to get down to see it. Frank's going to get asked about it. Hey, we've got a ride going down right now. Do you want to go? I said I wasn't going. Are you sure you don't want to go?

1:09:34Darius Butler:All right.

1:09:34Pat McAfee:There ain't nothing else.

1:09:35Darius Butler:Like the weather Thursday. I know Friday. I know Yenzers. The weather is supposed to be immaculate. They're going to get off of work on Friday and everyone's heading down.

1:09:43Pat McAfee:Oh, Tarps. I cannot wait to see the crowd down here. Yeah. If they see people, too, on the TV that aren't Jensers, they're going to be pissed that there are people that aren't Jensers on there and then they're going to need to go to represent Pittsburgh in itself. This is a nice little social experiment for Jensers as we look from the outside in here. You know, I'm excited to see how they handle it. I think it's going to look amazing. I think it's going to be fantastic. I think you're going to learn a lot about Pittsburgh football and the history of how much football matters to the area. I think you're potentially also going to learn that you're going to deserve, I ain't doing it.

1:10:15Pat McAfee:There's a lot of that potentially as well in the city. We'll see how it goes. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. Excited for the draft spectacular, brother? I think we got a good one. I am. Obviously, Bill Cowher, I can't wait to be in his presence for those few hours. It will be a little faster. Can't wait for that. The crowd, can't wait for that. It should be electric on all fronts. Bill Cowher is excited. Oh, yeah. Bill Cowher is knowledgeable, and Bill Coyer is going to love that he's back in Pittsburgh. And we are incredibly thankful and lucky that he'll be joining us. AQ Shipley will also be there.

1:10:44Pat McAfee:And maybe some surprises. Maybe some surprises. Not like what we did to the WWE world. Okay. That was pretty dope. That was a good surprise. Top notch. I felt pretty good about that. Top notch. Fantastic work. Surprise, nerds. Did you see all the wrestling people, the way you were reporting it? calling your fans that paid money to be there nerds is not a good idea it's like shut the fuck up shut up nerd that was awesome it's literally the business the fact that we ran that live the amount of things we knew that was going to happen we said you put big surprise up on that thing those people are going to drone like zombies surprise surprise surprise we knew there was going to be a massive massive crowd.

1:11:32I mean, just well executed, well done, hilarious on all fronts. And even the people in the crowd, most of them were like, oh man, he got us pretty good. It was a fun run there, Drew.

1:11:42Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what, three weeks, okay? That's how long that was. Did that feel like three weeks or did that feel like two years? Two years. I can imagine how long it felt for you. It was a good time. Thank you WWE for the opportunity. And I would like to say I think the relationship between ESPN and WWE started off good there.

1:12:01Darius Butler:Yeah, strong.

1:12:02Pat McAfee:We'll see, I guess. Everybody will kind of see because there was some wonderings. There was some worries. We'll see how everything goes. Excited to be a part of it. That'd be a good partnership for a long haul. Oh, yeah. See sports media people. So you got the wrestling people mad that ESPN's doing stuff.

1:12:15Darius Butler:Yep, yep.

1:12:16Pat McAfee:And then you got the sports media people mad about, why the hell are we talking about WWE? By the way, our show, 90 % of the NBA and NHL tournament. I don't think that was highlighted enough. I think that was kind of just thrown in there for a thing. We're here for sports, but also, WWE and ESPN partnership, I think, is a pretty big one. I think there's a lot. Entertainment. I think it's a pretty big thing. So everybody buying into it, I like to say to the people at ESPN, not that I speak for anybody at the W, literally. I do not speak for wrestling fans, and I do not speak for the WWE. I do not say that.

1:12:53Pat McAfee:But I appreciate that the ESPN folks did go all in. Like, that was cool. That's a good way to welcome a new partnership. Yeah, for sure. Wouldn't that be fun? Did you see they made a documentary about Inside the NBA, too? ESPN did. Welcoming them in. Did not see that. That's really cool of them to do that. That's a cool thing to do to people that are coming to your network, you know? That's a very fun thing to do. That would be awesome to experience. Yes, it would. Wouldn't that feel good? That would be great. That would be good.

1:13:17Darius Butler:Like a warm hug.

1:13:18Pat McAfee:So, congrats to ESPN and WWE's relationship. I think it would be amazing. and congrats to everybody going all in. That was a fun WrestleMania. That was a fun road to WrestleMania there for the last, that was fun. Dimensions, I'm excited for those to stop. Yeah, I bet. You can see that. Give it. Just want to ruin everybody. Just want to go into the profile, scroll through the photos, screenshot the photos, do a little bit more research. Previous articles wrote by person, screenshot that stuff. I had some time yesterday on that flight. One person in particular almost got a full-on buzz And I said, no, I'm out of business.

1:13:56True. Which I am. That is a good move, though, just picking one out of just. So, see, you're like Nick.

1:14:03Pat McAfee:That's what Nick has always been. Just one. Old Frankie Skates back there, he's always the friend to go, send it, send it, send it, because I'll screenshot something. About to be just a murder, just a murdering of somebody. With facts, reason, and actual logic, and photo evidence. I can't just do that anymore on X. I used to really go at me. You talk shit about me. Sweet. You open the door. I'm going to murder you now. Let's go ahead and see who's – let's go ahead and do this. Can't do it anymore. Nick's always the guy you got to send a message. Sounds like you are as well. I'm not going to send a message.

1:14:33Pat McAfee:Set an example.

1:14:34Darius Butler:Just one. All you need is one.

1:14:36Pat McAfee:You guys are bad people, okay? We don't need to go into that buzzsaw anymore. We're done with the business. Okay. Rest in peace. Are you sad? It was a good run, man. Great run. It was a good run. Yeah, it was a good run. I remember the first day. Well, if you treat every day like it's your first day, actually, which is one of the WWE rules, always has been, every day could be the most exciting day in WWE. And I think I tried to do that literally every single day. Pretty isolated last three weeks, though, I will say. Didn't really see anybody. Didn't really talk to anybody.

1:15:12Darius Butler:That's healing. That is healing.

1:15:14Pat McAfee:Had no internet or anything on the bus, you know? Just kind of locked away. Just locked away. Let me go ahead and open this fucker up. Where am I headed? That way. All right. I hate everybody in here. And then right back out. That was a crazy run. Oh, yeah. What a road. I'm not sad. I'm thankful. Hell, yeah. And on that note. Boom.

1:15:41All right.

1:15:42Pat McAfee:Good run. Good run. Great work.

1:15:48Pat McAfee:All right. It was fun. I loved it. It was a childhood dream. A lot of them. Multiple WrestleManias. Multiple main events. So cold. Just so many different little moments. Stunner, obviously. The run down the ramp. That, personally, that was my favorite thing you've ever done. Oh, my God. I felt pretty athletic. As I was running, I'm like, everything's kind of holding up. If you don't have perfect posture there, you're collapsing. That's my neck. Yeah, exactly. I mean, just so stupid. All right, let's get out of here. Let's move along. Joining us live from Manatic in Ohio is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner.

1:16:28Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hogg. A.J. Hogg. C2C5, any workouts I need to do? I'll tell you what, prayers up for your scans. I hope they come back very positive, obviously. I hate to see you in the neck brace again. It's tough to see you this way, but you do handle it very well, as we saw you sprinting down the ramp at a 4-4 pace. That was amazing. Thank you. It was a little downhill. It might have been 4-5, 4-6. Who knows? That was just three-quarter stride, too, because I didn't want to mess up the neck too much. I didn't want to mess up the neck too much. Down there at the bottom, I should have done a little bit more calculation on the drop-off because there was a lead down and then a pick back up.

1:17:00Pat McAfee:And I guess I should have counted quicker. I'm not even wearing the same shirt as the refs. Okay. OG. I am old school. Yeah, throwback. Mistake I made, AJ, I should have counted quicker. That's on me. Prof. But you were a legit ref. But in the moment, though, you're a showman as well, and you're an entertainer, so you can't just boom, boom, boom, one, two, three. You know that. You're right. Oh, goodness. Yeah, I mean, that's it right there. Maybe that's what Randy was upset about. I already got that I respected the business. Yeah. Because I did think if he's going to become – Oh, good call, Tony.

1:17:30Pat McAfee:Because he wanted a quick count. But I didn't want to do it.

1:17:34Darius Butler:No, because you're –

1:17:35Pat McAfee:To honor. But also, the question remains, if I do count the three there – Does it even matter? Do they ring the bell and you guys are out of there? I don't know. Yeah, I do not know. I think it matters. Yeah. I do not know. Cody was clearly respecting the count. All right, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that tried to get into a little WWE action himself on X. He decided to go after an entire city. I used to be one of you. Let me go ahead and showcase how I know I used to be one of you. One of the greatest tweets I've seen in a while for a guy clapping back at a city trying to say, Don't you talk about us.

1:18:12Pat McAfee:You're different now. You live in a city of stars. You won a Super Bowl with the Rams. You're one of Walter Payton Man of the Year with the Rams. You are celebrated as an all-time great Ram. We don't need you talking about our city over here in Ohio. Hasn't won it ever. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, Amazon Prime pundit, absolute stallion, Super Bowl champion, future first bout Hall of Famer, we think. Who knows? Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Whitworth. What up, baby? How you doing, man? Gentleman, gentleman. I'm good, baby. I love what you tweeted there to Cincinnati. Matty, can we please run through all of the things briefly here?

1:18:50Pat McAfee:You played 168 games as a Bengal. That would be enough. You could have put period, sent that thing. Three division titles. Hey, we did some good things together. Could have sent that and stopped. Five straight playoff appearances. Six total, if we're counting, just as a total. Could have sent just that. Had all four of my kids there. That's like, hey. That's a big deal. Okay, that's kind of the thing. This is where you kind of take a good turn in my eyes. I've been to Jeff Ruby's a thousand times. I pretended to like Skyline Chili when I was sober. I've stumbled drunk around Mount Adams eating pizza.

1:19:20Pat McAfee:Montgomery Inn Barbecue is literally in my fridge right now. I spent many a night in the courtyard Covington. Sat in Red Suite with Neil fucking Armstrong. Watched Amy Grant with the CPO at Cincinnati Music Hall. I parted with Nick Lachey.

1:19:31Darius Butler:That's a huge one. 98 degrees, obviously.

1:19:33Pat McAfee:Club Bang on 4th Street. If you know that, you're a Cincy person. You ate the Blue Uga Sushi boat in regular. You sat with Charlie Sheen as he smoked a cig in the Queen City Club. Obviously, big time, big time Cincinnati Day. And then you said the list goes on, so I'll use we, respectfully, any damn time I want. Who day. Okay, so this obviously all comes as you start to celebrate the Cincinnati Bengals move of Dexter Lawrence, I would assume. Can you explain to me how you think that happened and why you think this helps the Bengals? And if you're going to be – you were the pride of the – Yeah, pride of the jungle.

1:20:07Pat McAfee:Pride of the jungle this year. Jungle pride. If this is going to make Cincinnati a lot more lovable worldwide, why does anybody care? How do you feel this helps the team, and why do you like the move, Whit? I like the move just because, to me, I think of our run in 2011, 2015, Pat. We went to the playoffs five years in a row. And one of the things that always stuck to me when I left there and I got to L.A., and I think of some of the swings that we took when I was with the Rams organization, is it always felt like, all right, we're a damn good football team. We just can't quite get over the hump.

1:20:36but there was never this all-in moment from the organization. And when I say that, I'm talking from up top. Hey, let's go make that big trade. Let's go sign that one more person to a contract that maybe we're pushing it a little bit in the cap, but we're saying, hey, we're going to win a damn Super Bowl. To me, that's what's been missing, in my opinion, in the Joe Burrow era is like, all right, you do have this unbelievable quarterback. You do have some really talented receivers and you have been able to put up some great offensive numbers. But where are the big swings every off season that say, I think sometimes you need to put the whole building on notice.

1:21:09We're all in. Like, we're going to go try to win a Super Bowl, and that's the bottom line. And so I think, to me, this was their version of that. It's more about the message. Do I think Dexter Lawrence is a good piece to them having that opportunity? Hell, yeah, I do. But I also love the message. We're sending the whole team a message. Hey, we got a window. We're about to go try to take that window right now. Everybody lock in and let's go.

1:21:33Pat McAfee:Seems like it was a good deal for both parties as well to get done. I did not expect Duke Tobin to ever do this. This is obviously a top-ten pick trade, first time they've ever done that in the history of the Bengals. We all assumed that everybody would want Dexter Lawrence if he was available because of how good of a football player he is. Tell me a little bit about how the Cincinnati Bengals decide Dexter Lawrence instead of Trey Hendrickson. Is that the conversation you think? And with the way Trey has kind of gone the last three years, and then now we bring in Sexy Dexy to the D-line, Do you think they were just ready for the next chapter there without Trey?

1:22:04Pat McAfee:Like, how do you think we get to this point? And should I even consider that being tied together? Yeah, I think people are going to make that the argument. But I would say it's two total different things. I think of an edge rusher is edge rushers are a lot easier to handle in the sense of you can chip. You can you can adjust protections. You can do a lot of things to take one single edge rusher and try to limit their impact. But when you're talking about interior push, destroying guys in the run game, being able to create 100 something pressures over the last few years, like this guy has done in his time as a New York Giant.

1:22:35Like that's something you just can't do much about. He's getting double team and it doesn't matter. He's going to impact the interior of the defense and that offense is going to have to adjust for how they proceed with him there. I think that that's just a huge piece to when you start to say, all right, let's look at how we can be better. I mean, we forget they have performed on offense. I mean, they lost games last year in just absolutely head scratching, frustrating ways because they can't get off the grass and defend on defense. When they have defended on defense, they went to a Super Bowl.

1:23:05And that was when DJ Reader and Trey and those guys were playing really well. And don't forget, they didn't build that through the draft either. They built that through adding some free agents at a price and saying, we're going to go spend some money, some veterans around here, and then the emergence of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins. And so you look at this now and you say, hey, where they were in the draft of the 10th pick? Where are they going to get that superstar defensive player who without question is playing and playing a lot as a rookie, they were unsure if it was going to fall that way.

1:23:35This gives them a guaranteed football player, a guy who's going to impact the football game on the defensive side of the football up front in the interior right now. They don't have any questions about that. So I think to me it gives them a guarantee. It makes them say, hey, let's go play some defense, let Joe Brewer do his thing, and let's get ourselves back in the Super Bowl. Don't forget where it is this year. They want to redo. They want to be back in SoFi having an opportunity to win a Super Bowl again.

1:24:01Pat McAfee:And Aaron Donald is the one that wrecked that. By the way, last play, interior D lineman wrecked it for the Bengals. They would have had your ass. They would have had your ass. That little confetti moment with your kids, which is like one of the most beautiful moments of all time, never happens. Okay, never happens if it wasn't for Aaron Donald just blowing the entire play up seemingly out of nowhere from the middle of the defensive line. the thought of Dexter Lawrence with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins now all of a sudden now that we know Jamar and T. Higgins a little bit more after the Radio Row appearance what the fuck quarterback for the Bears name that was Jamar Chase it was the best Dexter Lawrence by all accounts is the best in that kind of what the thing I think there was a report that Harbaugh was not allowed to talk to Dexter Lawrence or something because the agent denied any conversation I didn't even know that was allowed but I think it's because Dexter Lawrence is like the best.

1:24:55Pat McAfee:Harbaugh could have gone in there and been like, hey, listen, this is a boom, boom, boom. So I'm excited for that. Locker room may be becoming electrifying as well over there. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, as no lineman, a guy that you played with, Geno Atkins, I was with you for one year in Cincinnati. I remember there was times in practice, an interior D lineman, Geno would shut practice down. They'd have to take him out because the guy was so disruptive. I'm just curious with Dexter Lawrence, is that something you're looking for from him in the interior? and how tough can it be for an offense when you have a guy that's interior that gets a great push on pass plays but also is impossible to move in the run game?

1:25:29Yeah, I mean, look at it too, really. You look at what Baltimore lost this year in Tyler Lindenbaum in the center up front. You look at really the Steelers trying to figure themselves out up front who their group's going to be and the Browns as well. So when you say, hey, we're going to go add a dominant force in the interior and don't forget Cincinnati's situation. It's all about all the other pieces that matter too. two young linebackers going into their second year. Now they're going to have an absolute stud playing in front of them. How's that going to impact them and be able to play at a high level?

1:25:56You've brought in a lot of other free agents, whether it be in the secondary or boy, my face. So another edge rusher. Now this frees you up in the draft to go, all right, we probably need another secondary guy. Let's look at some interior help in the offensive line because Dalton Rizner is only in a one-year deal. The rest of your line looks to be together for the future years. and then you know what is there that dynamic edge rusher on third down that we can get because here's the reality of trey hendrickson he's a hell of a player but here's the truth he is ranked at the top of the group when it comes to sacks and pressures of the quarterback no doubt but let's go look where he's ranked in the run game in all those years as well and it ain't up at the top so my point is is that you're talking about a guy who yeah he put up a lot of numbers i played against a guy like that i would compare him to in arizona and chandler jones a lot of statistical things hey, going to create a lot of sacks.

1:26:44He's going to get some pressures on the quarterback. But you know what else you can do? You can run the football right at him all the time, anytime you want. So when you're dictating the terms on defense, that's the reality. And so to me, I think when you talk about a guy like Dexter Lawrence, you're talking about all three downs, how can we affect it? How can we go get maybe a guy in this draft that's an electric pass rusher who can come on the field on third down and impact us there while we also have the interior push of Dexter Lawrence. That's just the reality. Trey's a hell of a player. Is he a guy you want in a closing situation?

1:27:14No doubt about it. If you're up in a game and you want to get off the grass, that's who you want rushing the quarterback. But when you're talking about a defense, it's been 30th in the NFL. It's been dead last. I think they're trying to figure out how do we put all the pieces together that help us be a total defense, not just one that can win on third down and eight when we need a guy to go get a sack.

1:27:36Pat McAfee:I love that you said they are trying to figure out there as opposed to we because of the tweet. But then at the end, you know, you spoke as we as a Bengal fan. I think anytime you build up the trenches, you know, Jerry Jones kind of said it whenever you trade away Micah. Now, is it going to be end up being true with Micah up at Green Bay? I doubt it. That offense or that defense, obviously, he was in on like every single play. But Jerry said like, we've got to be able to stop the run. Micah. Michael is not stopping the run. Call him the wrong name. Then he said that you need to be able to stop the run.

1:28:04Pat McAfee:That's a very real thing, especially in this NFL right now. You know, right now it seems to matter more than ever, which is why I think the trenches are going to be spotlighted more than ever. There's some interesting decisions being made with young guys or just being hypothesized that are seemingly easy. I don't know if that's the case. Go ahead, Tone.

1:28:20Darius Butler:Yeah, Bigwood, it's draft week. When you look at the top for tackles, it's Maui Noah and Fano, both right tackles in college. And a lot of people have their third right tackle as Blake Miller, or sorry, third tackle overall. Blake Miller's a right tackle as well. But then some of the teams at the top, they need left tackles. How do you feel about guys who are very, very talented? Can they make the move to left tackle? And then also, like the Lions, depending on who they take, have talked about moving Sewell over to left tackle as well. How hard is that as a tackle to move from the right side to left side or vice versa?

1:28:52I think when you're talking about coming from college to the NFL, not as big a deal, as long as you don't have something where the guy's got an injury or a limitation where he can't switch feet. I think that the biggest thing, though, is when they get to the NFL, you know you don't want to toy it that much it's it's too you know everything becomes too nuanced it becomes you got to be so elite at it that you don't want to be flipping all the time I think it's one of the craziest things ever watching Tristan Wirfs and Panay Sewell the last few years being able to do that like I just was one of those people literally left side once I started playing it that's all I could do you know the athletes those guys are it just shows by their ability to do it I just think once you get to the NFL it's a tougher thing to me I just don't know a lot of guys who flip side to side who are your elite players and if I want an elite guy I want to find the side I want him to be on and I want him to become a lead at it and so I think drafting them the draft I don't get over the concern about especially when you're talking about those guys you're talking about some guys that have all the skill sets possible to play the positions each one of them and whether it be their size their athleticism of the length all those things so really it's about hey what's the guy we're the most comfortable that I'm sure they've seen a move and they say, hey, this is the guy we're the most comfortable to be able to move over there.

1:30:03And that may be why they lean to one of them over the other, because they feel like they can get over there, take the kind of kick sets they want, play with the balance and the position, and they see the most upside and then be able to flip over and be the same guy.

1:30:15Pat McAfee:See, I'm only a left tackle. Yeah, me too, Pat. I just can't. I got no athleticism with the right kick. Well, you also played guard, from my understanding, right? And you said it was the easiest thing you've ever seen because people are just running into you or whatever the case is. That was Big Raiders ice cream era. That was a Big Raiders black raspberry chip. You know, that was a big era. I was 365 then, so almost 100 pounds from where I am now. So it was a big, that was a big boy. I was big wit for sure then. That's when Justin Smith, you talked about the WWE. Justin Smith at that time used to call me the big show.

1:30:50That was actually my nickname.

1:30:55Well, it's the wit show. That's it. baby.

1:31:00Pat McAfee:I know. I saw your wrestling aspirations at that league meeting. League, Rashad. I'll tell you what. That looked good. Yeah. I should have been preparing right there because I would take some lethal shots just a few weeks later. You know, I would have... I would have had you back, Pat. Exactly. I got you, baby. It's too late now. You were too busy Twitter fingering with Cincinnati. That's what you were doing. You were doing the whole, I've been in rubies. My bad, bro. I dropped it. I dropped the ball. That's on me. That's on me. Well, good news is You'll never miss it again because I'm out of the business forever.

1:31:31Pat McAfee:That's right. Okay, speaking of business forever, and we just talked about, you know, guys that are tall, athletic, have all the things to make. There's a guy that's been doing it a long time, just got rewarded again. They're talking goat conversations. Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Pat's talking about Trent Williams getting that two-year, $50 million extension with the Niners so he can go back. We've kind of seen Brock Purdy in the Niners without Trent Williams, and clearly they're affected whenever he's not on the field. Is he kind of the greatest left tackle of all time? Where do you kind of put him?

1:32:01And also, what does just having that kind of stalwart at the left tackle do for your entire team? Because we've seen Trent Williams pregame against the Cleveland Browns when they're going to throw down and fight, and then Trent walks over, and then everything kind of stops. What does he mean for this team, and where do you kind of see him ranking on the all-time list? You know, I actually made this point on Thursday Night Football this year. I actually think Trent, in my opinion, has really, he's put himself there as the all-time great. I really do. And listen, Anthony Munoz was a mentor of mine and somebody I've looked up to my whole life.

1:32:37The man he is, the player he was, he was so generatially ahead of his time. He was an unbelievable player and to me has held that for a long, long time. But I think what Trent has been able to do, not just in the run game, not just in the pass game, in the screen game, The athlete he is out in space. I mean, DBs, and especially now that they can't go low and try to take out the legs, and they have to stay up with this freak of nature. Exactly. Sherman, I argue about it all the time. And Trent, it's unfair. I mean, it really is unfair. I think he is, without question, the greatest athlete and impact left tackle in the history of the game.

1:33:16I mean, I think that, to me, when you really look at all three levels of what you're asked to do, and then you talk about consistency, longevity, ability, availability, and adapting to today's game and every version of the game he's had to play through. He's the greatest to me of all time, and he's submitted himself as that.

1:33:34Pat McAfee:As a guy who's going to be a Hall of Fame left tackle, that is very cool to hear you say, by the way, that humility, but also the reasoning on why we should maybe view him as the greatest of all time as well. I appreciate the hell out of that, Whit. Now, I will say, after seeing you at the league meetings, and I told you this, I do think I can maybe – No chance. You saw my hit off. You saw it. You felt it, didn't you? You did feel it a little bit. With your 265, I'm close. I could get you – Too good a shake. Hey, Pat, my insurance goes out this year, so I'm thinking about pulling a – you know, I think I'm going to join Rivers and be Phillip Rivers.

1:34:11I'm going to get my five years of insurance back this year maybe. I'm trying to see what the team will get me. How many games you got to play? Give me a shot, baby. Bring the big show back.

1:34:18Pat McAfee:How many games do you have to play to get that? Just one? I think you just got to be on one. I mean, come on. Let's go. McVay, come on, man. Please. One game. Shanahan. Let me come be the right tackle for a week. I don't know. Come on, guys. I know the system. Does it count for practice squad? Because they got vets on practice squad now since COVID. Remember, COVID, they opened up. I think you got to be on the roster for a game. I think that's the thing. Don't even have to play. You can get on it. I got a lot of kids. I mean, we need this. Come on, guys. I think it seems pretty easy to just put you on a roster.

1:34:48Pat McAfee:Kind of cut and dry. Yeah, and we should start doing this. Every team should negotiate in an extra roster spot to bring in a veteran for a week, you know, to keep up their insurance. Give a speech. I assume you'll give a speech. Yeah. I assume you do. Yeah, a route. You do the entire thing. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe show team, too. You know, get some reps in with the helmet on, get some pictures. He was really there mixing it up. You know, that whole thing. Do you think you could? Because when I was looking at you, see, I was on the same team as Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. Okay, so I – Yeah, I don't want to do that.

1:35:18Yeah.

1:35:19Pat McAfee:No, but I understand the chess game of this attire. Sure. So when I saw you, you know, I'm going to try to speed you. I'm going to try to speed you right now, get you thinking you're going out there. You're 265 right now. I think I'm going – Yeah, you're going long. You're going long. Long arms. Long arms. I think I'm going long. Walk the dog. Yeah, he's got short arms. Short arms. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be able to get that. I'll be able to get that hand right there, right? Don't you think that'll be there? That hand will never touch me. What? You wouldn't even make contact. You'd be past him. I got 36 and a half inch arms.

1:35:51I don't think you got to work. Long arm would not be the road I would go. If I was going to go any road, I would not go that one.

1:35:59Pat McAfee:We'll feel it out. It's chess game. Yeah, exactly. Last thing he'd expect. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. Who knows what happens with C2 here, C3, C4. Yeah, I was going to say, watching you run to the ring, a little vertical in the stride if you think you're going to long. I think we'll have a doctor on at 205 Eastern, by the way, Dr. David Chow for me. Okay, perfect. We'll be coming on and talking about my skin. Okay, let's get the pass rushing. Go ahead, D-butt. Yeah, arm length is actually kind of part of this conversation. Always is a draft season. But with the top rushers in this year's draft, you got Ruben Baines, you got David Bailey, you got Reese.

1:36:36Bailey's the more polished one. Reese that's the potential maybe the next Micah Parsons and then Bain dog in the pass game dog in the run game but the arm lift is a question uh as a tackle which one of these young guys do you see having the most success early on and they're probably having the best career as it goes yeah I mean I think when you get into the arm league conversation I mean it's really just like I've told you guys before when it comes to tackles it's about what's their strategy outside of that how do they execute those things in the game whether it be being able to get hands off of them being able to rip and do some of those things.

1:37:07I mean, you look at a guy like Micah Parsons, people don't even realize, I mean, he barely uses his arms. He's just so good at being able to manipulate his body, you know, much like really good receivers who don't get hit hard very often. Micah Parsons is really good at being able to dodge and dip and kind of slip all the different hands that he gets from tackles. He's really able to do that at extremely high level. You know, whereas you had like guys like Aaron Donald, he didn't have some crazy arm length, but for his size. He had decent arm strength, but he was unbelievably strong and good at getting your hands off of him, be able to knock your hands off of him.

1:37:40He had a plan all the time. We've seen him fighting the knobs and everything else. So you got to become an expert at what it is that you think you need to be able to execute. And so when I look at those guys, I mean, I just think when you watch Bane play, man, dude, the effort, the energy, the passion, like I just, it feels like a guy that you're like, man, inevitably this guy's going to figure it out one way or another, because it just seems like he has a motor that's different. And that's something to me that means a lot. But, you know, obviously I think Bailey, some of those guys have some rare top-end talent where, you know, you got to see them rush, I think, at the NFL level to really know.

1:38:12Because to me, I want to see your ability where you look in college a lot of times, it's like, man, they beat him with speed, the guy flips his hips, it's over. You know, they go dip underneath or go underneath the guy. Like, that's not going to be NFL tackles. They're going to be in front of you and you're going to have to have counter answers to all your things that you think you're going to be able to do. And so really be able to see them, their rookie year, their ability to adapt and counter, or be an expert at that one thing they do. We think of Jared Verse, you know, really coming onto the scene with his power.

1:38:42Then he's going to have to adapt. We've seen last year, not as much of an impact at times because he's going to have to adapt who he is and how he plays. And so I think when you look at these guys, their ability to adapt and their ability to develop counters is really going to dictate how good they're going to be at the next level.

1:38:57Pat McAfee:Can't wait to see the next group of super freaks out there. I mean, it's every single one. That's why Trey Hendrickson in that Ravens jersey that debuted this weekend. Oh, yeah. That's just not what you expect. What do you mean? It's a little bit of a surprise. Looks like a Raven if I ever seen one. That's a tough position. That's a tough – you've got to be so explosive, so strong, so fast. That's my least favorite day ever. The uniform day, the picture day. You know, just no thank you. No, thank you. 8K cameras now. They got 8K cameras. Scream at the camera. Give us a rah-rah so we can show you in the stadium, pumping the fans up.

1:39:36Like, I don't give a damn. Let's just play the game. I don't want to do this. One of my favorites. That was my day. I was not part of that day. That was one of my favorites. Selfish wit day.

1:39:46Pat McAfee:I appreciate that you backed out of those genuinely. They only asked me to do it twice. And they said, give me your football face. I said, all right, I'm not doing this. and I was never invited back. You didn't give him a good football face? No, I said, I don't know what that means. I genuinely don't know what that means. He said, you know, like a football face. I was like, okay, I know what you're trying to say. I mean, quarterbacks can look cool. Receivers can kind of like show the ball and flash it. Running backs can kind of do the Heisman. Like as a lineman, what's a cool stand? I'll take a picture of you.

1:40:18Like I'm in a kick set. Like that's cool and intimidating. Like, no, thank you. I guess that is. I don't get a three-point stance for anybody, damn it. So I'm not getting a three-point stance for a photo.

1:40:29Pat McAfee:Three-point stance. The belly button on some of the offensive linemen, too, with the way the jersey is, especially if you're moving like this. I think you've got to do a yell, right? You probably always had to do a ha. Oh, you've got to scream. Yeah, you've got to give a roar. No thank you. Any paws for the Bengals? I mean, if they go white unis, you're totally screwed. Oh, yeah. That's just a tough look for a lineman. Elevator buttons, bellies. I mean, we got it all. Oh, we got to think about this for Thursday night. There's going to be so many stupid videos that these guys are forced to shoot.

1:41:00Pat McAfee:Oh, hey, look. Have fun. You just got drafted. Dream come true. People behind the camera trying to work it. Yeah. They're standing there. And then they do the full 360. Let's do a full 360 view of this guy. Spinning a football, doing the casual thing. I mean, that's what's coming on Thursday night. There's going to be a lot of big boys, allegedly. Go ahead, Ty. Last question. Yeah, Whit. I think it was probably like five years ago where everyone was saying that O-linemen in college just weren't as good or weren't as ready to come into the NFL with the way the college game has changed. But over the last several years, we've had runs in the first round.

1:41:35We'll have 10-plus O-linemen get drafted. Do you think that's a byproduct of guys being a little bit better now and more ready to come in and play right away? or is it just that as we've seen like it is impossible to kind of keep the same guys on your offensive line and you need to have at least you know eight to ten bodies in that room who are capable because it's just impossible to stay healthy throughout the course of a season yeah I mean you look at this draft I mean they're talking anywhere six to seven guys going in the first round so uh this is one of the more talented groups you know as I've talked to some guys across the league than in years past and so I I think really one of the things that's happened is is that in the O-line world outside of the NFL, outside of college football, whether it be, you know, Charles Bentley or Duke Manyweather or any of those guys that are training guys, you're starting to have these facilities.

1:42:25Thank you, Shipley. Yep. Oh, yeah. AQ's now doing it. I saw that. Like, you got a lot of these guys that are now specifying in training guys outside of all of that. And so I think that's really what's had to happen. I mean, I used to have this argument all the time with the league when they would come talk at our seminars about the flag football push. Like I love getting more people involved in football, but like if we're going to eliminate practices and preparation at the NFL level, so linemen are getting less of those. And then also at a younger level, we encourage everyone else to play the non padded version of football.

1:42:55Like where are we ever going to get lineman development? So at the beginning stage and at the ending stage, we're going to eliminate your ability to prepare to become a lineman. So where do you want them to develop from? And so they're one of the biggest part of our game. They're what separates our game and makes it different. And so to me, I think what's really happened is you've seen some guys be able to specialize in training offensive linemen, give them a home, somewhere to go in the offseason, somewhere to develop in high school and junior high and in college, outside of just their facility to go develop those skills that it takes to be ready.

1:43:28And I think that you're starting to see now the impact that's having. You're having more and more guys are able to come in, play early and be successful. one, I think we're starting to see a little less of that dip that we kind of felt there through those years, because I think you've seen some guys come in and play really well as young linemen. So I'm excited about that. And I think that's only going to continue to grow, because I think that's something a lot of guys that are former players are getting into, and really seeing that this is a big part of this thing. Now, the NIL money with everything else, now even linemen are making money in college, which is crazy, right?

1:43:58So, you know, that's the truth, where there's money being given to players, there's gonna be people out there trying to create a business that they can get some of it so i think that to me now you've seen the development of offensive linemen off outside of just their facilities and their teams is is growing and so is the impact it's having on us having more productive guys being available in the draft i love the explanation it makes sense

1:44:19Pat McAfee:because the drills that you have to do are strenuous they are hard they suck only position in the world plays the back to the ball at all times pat not only that also somebody trying to break your back every single play hand-to-hand combat every time none of the movements linemen do are like athletic movements you do as a kid like nobody doing any of that stuff so it's the one thing about it is it's not just like you're you know i'm not saying it's some crazy athletic movement what i am saying is it's something you have to retrain your entire body to do because it's not something you did growing up most of those body positions most of the things it takes to anchor and everything else have to be learned over time.

1:44:59And it's not something you did growing up as an athlete for most players. So it takes a while. You know, you go with that thing of how many reps you get and how many opportunities you have to do something. It takes a while to develop those skill sets. And so I think it's something very unique. And you can't get it by just training with anyone. You need people who are putting you in those positions over and over again. And I think that's the biggest development is that in strength training and on the field, We're seeing people adjust movements to what linemen specifically do, and that's helping them develop.

1:45:29Pat McAfee:I love that. It's good for the game because when they dip, the game dips, we dip. You know what I mean? And that's really – we can't be dipping anymore, okay? We got to be striving, especially for greatness with the boys bumping up front. I do like that you shouted out the shipyard there, okay? The shipyard's getting out. All those drills suck. They all suck to do. They're all hard. They're all miserable. They're not fun. But I'll tell you what, at the end of the road is a very green pasture. Centers are getting$30 million now. The game is going, so I'm excited for it. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champ, Cincinnati Bengal, and L.A.

1:46:05Pat McAfee:Ram legend, LSU Tiger at heart, Andrew Whitworth. Yeah, Whitworth. I'll say we whenever I want. Damn right. Why are you guys attacking him? Because he doesn't live in Ohio anymore? He lives in Los Angeles and he gets sun? Don't lump me in with the people that are attacking him. No, Witt is like, you know, he was the man there, and he still is the man, I think, any time he goes back. Nah, he felt obligated to explain himself. Yeah, him beating the bagels. Number 10, sit in the red suite with Neil Armstrong. We could have really nailed down on that and said, hey, Neil, did you really, do you think you actually really went to the moon?

1:46:41Yeah, if you wanted to get slugged in the face, because that's usually how Neil Armstrong deals with that. Because he knows it's not true.

1:46:47Pat McAfee:I'm genuinely flustered about it all.

1:46:50Darius Butler:What do you mean? How crazy it is.

1:46:52Pat McAfee:We're celebrating it hard here in 2026.

1:46:55Darius Butler:As we should.

1:46:55Pat McAfee:I can FaceTime with my daughter when I'm wherever. I could be in a place with no service, okay, somehow. I can open my phone. It can have a little glimmer of hope somehow. And I can FaceTime with my daughter. That type of advancement in technology is outlandish to think about back in the day. and we were celebrating big time that Artemis went up there and did it. They made that phone call too back then, right?

1:47:20Darius Butler:They had phones. It was a direct line. So they had to do the... Yeah, the rotary. Not NASA. NASA didn't have to.

1:47:31Pat McAfee:But on that note, way to do it back there in 1969. That's right. That's incredible. Think about how incredible that had to be in 1969. Kidding me? That's like whenever somebody just first created like electricity. Who did that with the key? Ben Franklin. There it is. Think about how pumped they were when they found out that they didn't have to just use the fire stuff.

1:47:48Darius Butler:I mean, it won a war. They got to the moon and it won a war.

1:47:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, the Cold War you're referring to? Yeah, I'm pumped we won that. I'm certainly pumped. But they even had to think to themselves over there like, really? The moon? That's really far. Holy shit. They were just kind of captivated by it. They had to be. Yeah. Good for us. And having the foresight for Neil Armstrong trying to be like, you know what, I'm going to bring my golf bag up here. Smart. So I can, you know, tee this up and hit like that. You know what I mean? I love that. I love that. Hey, I know there's a lot of important shit in here. I got a nice golf bag. I need that thing to be total.

1:48:24Like, you know, in good shape when we get up there. I want to flush a four iron off the dark side of the moon.

1:48:31Pat McAfee:I love that. And that's how sports ties into this. And that's why we always have to talk about it because sports were represented. They were. in outer space. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who represents sports in a beautiful way. We're so thankful that he is now becoming basically full-time analyst on ESPN for the NBA, especially in the middle of his beautiful NBA playoff run. That started with a bunch of boring-ass games. And don't look now, more boars on the way. Oh, no. Or is it boring? Maybe we just don't know enough. Joining us now, NBA champion, ladies and gentlemen, Iman Shumper.

1:49:02Pat McAfee:Yeah, Shum. What's up, Shum? My guys, what's going on? What do you got? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it was boring. I don't know if it was boring. We saw a lot of good stuff out there. I don't know if it was boring. Okay, so you're saying a lot of good highlights, a lot of good plays by the good teams, even though the good teams are beating the bad teams, except for the Pistons. Let's talk about that right there. What happened with Detroit? I know you were high up on Detroit, obviously, whenever the Hornets were potentially. I was. When the Hornets were going to potentially get this spot, you actually said, Hornets, that's a fun story.

1:49:31Pat McAfee:That's a cute story. The Pistons were waiting on them, though. Now, I felt like the same type of energy was being had with the Orlando Magic? Is this a bad matchup for the Pistons? What happened here? Not at all. I think that the Orlando Magic have answered whatever issue that we've had with them. Everybody was questioning them. Everybody was pointing fingers at them. The thing about the Magic that I like so much right now is most times when they're challenged in the media, guys are challenged, guys are challenged by their coach, they all crumble. I think they came together and they accepted the challenge.

1:50:03They have come out and they've played passionate. They have played together. They have played with a willingness to communicate. You see their defense going up, and that's what I pay attention to. I pay attention to all the bright spots they have. And then at the end of the game, they got Franz Wagner who decided, you know what? If Paolo Bencaro can't figure it out in these crucial times, I know I can figure it out. And at the end of that game, they played through him and looked like a totally different team. It will be interesting to see if game two, they do the same things and go to Paolo Bencaro early on.

1:50:34let Bain kind of, you know, determine how the games go after that, and then at the end go to their closer in Wagner because they looked like a totally different team when he had the ball in his hands playing from the top.

1:50:46Pat McAfee:Okay, so if we had to give an alert level for Pistons fans from 1 to 10, 1 being A, no worries here. It's just serious. Don't even worry about the first game. If anything, you're the number one seed. Detroit has a history of having massive success in the postseason, So don't even worry about what just happened there in game one. 10 being A, this is not good. This could be a problem if this is what the Magic are going to be doing. If you were a Detroit Pistons fan. Well, I'm a Bulls fan. But I would say that they have about, they have about, I say a five. Because this could be one of two things.

1:51:29Detroit was sitting at home, you know, not feeling like there's much anything to do right now. You know, you get stuck in that rut of waiting on the playoffs. You're excited, but there's no game. So you kind of lose a bit of rhythm. Looking at a guy like Cade Cunningham, you're not sure how it's going to go for him. You're looking at the rhythm. You're looking at the steps. The Magic looked like a team that just got done playing, that just got done with all those reps and repetition. They've been in closing matches. They've had the game where they feel like, ah, we didn't come out particularly well in that first play-in game.

1:52:01But this second game, we really got to take it up a notch. They felt like this matchup is for them. I think they jumped on them early and they did what all teams do, which is you're supposed to go on the road and steal one. What Detroit has to worry about is saying, hey, we cannot let them steal two. Stealing two changes the series. I think stealing one, I kind of expected them to not – I expected Detroit to close this one out. I'm not going to lie. Wagner, he definitely surprised me toward the end. I expected Detroit to close this out, but I would be nervous to say, I don't want the Orlando Magic to say, we figured out the recipe for the end of games, because at the end of games, sometimes they don't close well.

1:52:40If they start playing through Wagner, I think it changes things a lot.

1:52:43Pat McAfee:Okay. Detroit is at a five panic meter in Iman Shumpert's eyes. How does that make you feel, Fox? He feels like you were okay with the five. I'll take a five all day because I was at a 10 for sure. As a fan, I watched that game, and I said the Magic were supposed to be a top one, two, three seed at the beginning of the season, and they played like ass all regular season. I'm like, did they figure it out? Is that team back, and is that who we're playing right now as an eight seed? That's a problem. But Iman says five. I'm good with that. What was the stat on how many? Go ahead, Sean. I'm only saying that five because you got to think, K is coming back.

1:53:17He's still finding his way. He took a couple of tough shots that I felt like not what he usually does. He kind of was forcing the issue a little bit more than I've seen him do in the past. But his is all about rhythm as we look at it. The thing that I was nervous about with the Pistons was the legs, the pop, the exaggerated defensive closeouts. You didn't see that out of the Pistons yesterday. And I think that's all to do with them just not having a game for a week.

1:53:43Pat McAfee:Seems like an eight or nine panic meter in my eyes. but I'm not an NBA champion. Our conversation with Iman Shumpert continues digitally on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, TikTok Live, and X. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice. It might change your life. Goodbye. Hey, I'm going to tell you, fresh out of WrestleMania, with whatever's going on with my neck, I was too fast for my own good earlier. Hitting that right on the screws. That one felt pretty good. Iman, I don't know if you saw that. I mean, we just, I mean, right...

1:54:14Pat McAfee:I mean, that was a... Hanging curveball. Yeah, right there. Fresh out of what just happened with this. Yeah. I'm pretty proud of myself. Yeah. Okay, so you're not that panicked about Detroit. I like to hear that. And hopefully the Pistons will win for your sake. Because Orlando Magic fans, I don't even think they were Orlando Magic fans during the playing game. So the fact that you guys are about to get beat by them potentially, that's a sad state of affairs up there in Detroit. I don't like it. Just need the young guys to step up. That's all this is. Young team, need the young guys to go. All right, number one overall seed.

1:54:42Pat McAfee:That's incredible news. Let's stay in the east. Let's go to the state of Ohio. A.J. has a question for you, Sean. Yeah, Cavs up 1-0. They play tonight against the Raptors. And with the addition of James Harden, I guess, what have you seen from him? You know, they acquired him earlier this year. What have you seen from this Cavs team with Harden? Obviously, we know what they're able to do with Mitchell and the other talent around it. But what are the chances of this Cavs team going on a run? I like the Cavs. I think they're just in a tough position dealing with the top of the East. Boston and Detroit just scare me on their schedule.

1:55:14The New York Knicks scare me on their schedule. They have matchups that they can win. But when I look at the Cavs, I just see a Donovan Mitchell that is benefiting so much from James Harden. And it's not just when James Harden rewards him with an assist. It's not just when he comes off of a ball screen. It's sometimes it's just the attention that James Harden commands when he has the ball or he's on the floor. allows people to have to be in a single coverage a lot of the time against Donovan Mitchell. Even if just for two dribbles, Donovan Mitchell is extremely dangerous if left in single coverage where you have something else to worry about because it becomes a pick your poison type of situation.

1:56:00I think James Harden is also doing a great job in pitching ahead and making people dangerous earlier on in the shot clock before getting it back, which makes you always have to deal with him in a closed-out situation, which we've seen doesn't benefit anybody when he goes to that dribble package and wants to get up a quick three or a three that can potentially land in somebody getting another foul and a four-point play. I really like them. It's just the top of the East is tough, and the top of the East is tough defensively with multiple people that can guard in the backcourt. Right now what you're seeing is James Harden and Donovan Mitchell may be too much for the Toronto backcourt.

1:56:37Pat McAfee:Okay, let's talk about the top of the East and the backcourts. You were at the Knicks game, I heard, courtside. We're on the wood at your bopping wood. You were bopping wood at the game, I heard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was there, man. Shout out to the New York Knicks, man. The organization always take care of former players, man. It was a good game. Yeah. I mean, I got canceled out of courtside tickets over there in Madison Square Garden directly from the top, which I completely understand and respect and appreciate. But you were there, boots on the ground, obviously on the wood. What do you think about this Knicks team?

1:57:06Pat McAfee:We got a real deal because whenever they're playing the Pacers last year, that guy right there, Jalen Brunson, there would become just like periods where it felt like it was an hour and a half of my life where I'd see that guy with the ball he wouldn't miss, just like refuse to miss basically. How do you feel about this Knicks team maybe making a run this year again? I like it. I told everybody early on in the season that I felt like the New York Knicks had the East. It didn't seem like anybody else had anything that, you know, screamed on their roster that they should be doing this. The Boston Celtics were a pleasant surprise.

1:57:43The Detroit Pistons were a pleasant surprise. But we all looked at the Knicks, especially with that run that they made last year and all those decisions and moves that they made to put that team together. They are built to win the East. And there was a lot of pressure on them. The reason I enjoyed watching them is because Jalen Brunson got off to a quick start. He didn't control flow and made sure to share the sugar. I thought he picked a lot of spots to just turn down moments that we're used to seeing him aggressive. Moment that we're used to seeing him take 20 and 30 dribbles in one possession and forcing the issue a little bit more.

1:58:17But he deferred. They kept running that blast action, getting Cat involved on that pinch post, letting two cutters go by. You know, over through a couple of them, but you saw him throwing that late pass down the lane to a lot of guys and getting guys involved. And I felt like when he stayed involved within direct action, it led to him having enough rhythm at the end to say, hey, I could turn it on, which is where you saw him get to his mark scoring the ball. But the Knicks playing to their ability right now, I just think at the end of games, we need to be able to trust in that two man game. There's times that they don't score well together.

1:58:52And I just want to make sure that at the end of games, we don't go away from that, because once you have a two man game where everybody knows it's coming, you got to then raise the question, can anybody stop it?

1:59:04Pat McAfee:Iman saying hey let's not get stupid here like we do every single fucking year okay here we go let's continue to okay they say you get tired but I say we're not running too many we don't have any threat of anything down the stretch basically so that's what you're saying right now basically. Yeah, I think it really comes down to X's and O's. The Knicks play hard enough to keep themselves in the conversation. There's always a 2-3 possession game down the stretch. There's never, rarely do you see them just give up and lay down. The Knicks go out there and they compete. And that's, you know, half the battle.

1:59:35They're not great defensively, but they're still sound. I think they make a lot of moments up that, you know, other teams have shot blockers that, you know, in a higher frequency. I think Mitchell Robinson is just, you know, dealing with some tough stuff right now. They already started to hack a hack of Robinson early, you know, just to get him out the game. But that's all it all comes within strategy. I think that the Knicks just really need to just, you know, relax in the pocket of saying we're going to hang our hat on the defensive end, which we knew they would dealing with their head coach and his history.

2:00:09You're going to hang your hat on the defensive end. but if you're going to lose at the end, you're going to lose with your guys that you went to go get. It needs to be Jalen Brunson and Cat. You need to be able to put pressure on them and say, if we lose, we lost our way. And that's all I'm asking for.

2:00:25Pat McAfee:Good luck to the Knicks. You guys make it a long way and then fire your coach. Okay? And then the Pacers, Pacers, we were game seven of the finals. We're in a lottery now. It's a quick.

2:00:38Darius Butler:Oh, yeah.

2:00:38Pat McAfee:It is a quick.

2:00:40Darius Butler:Oh, yeah.

2:00:40Pat McAfee:It is a very real thing. So the fact that the Knicks are always in it, I think if I was a Knicks fan, would make me excited. Bruce, who's a diehard Knicks fan, obviously excited for this team this year, it sounds like. Oh, yeah. Much better than last year. Like, we are much improved in the Mike Brown era. A lot of it is the X's and O's offensively. I think the Knicks were like 22-12 against winning teams this season. They were 12-22 last year, and there was all that talk about how they can't compete with the top of the NBA. You know, that narrative's out. We're ready to roll. Let's go to the top of the East, shall we?

2:01:13Pat McAfee:Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Shump. So I know we're talking about the Knicks a lot, and that's great. But, I mean, you watch the Celtics, and it looks like Tatum, you know, nothing ever happened to him. He's completely fine. He almost has a triple-double the other night. Brown is doing what he's been doing all season. You got Luka Garza just absolutely filling up the bucket off the bench, and they just beat the shit out of the 76ers. Oh, yeah. How, like, I guess if you're playing on the Celtics, how difficult is it to kind of stay engaged in this series when you probably know you're just going to beat the shit out of them?

2:01:46You're kind of looking to who you have next. And ultimately, I mean, can anyone in the East beat the Celtics? I know we're talking about the Knicks a bunch here, but just watching these guys play, it just seems like they are much better than everyone else in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, they definitely look head and shoulders above right now. I can't act like I don't feel the same. I think everything changes with the matchup. We expected them to look this way against a Philly team that didn't feature Joel Embiid. We all understand why they're beating the shit out of these people right now. It's not a lay-down thing.

2:02:20It's not an X's and O's. They don't have their big brother around. It's easy to beat up on the little brother when the big brother ain't there. So that's what's happening right now. It's not that the Celtics wouldn't already go out there and have their way. We forget that this team is built for success. This was the blueprint. This is what OKC mimicked, saying we're going to go 10 guys deep. We're going to live and die by the three, but we're also going to get up in pressure. Then they became the DNA. They became the blueprint. We'll see if they repeat. But Boston has always had the DNA of that.

2:02:51They'll switch players and they'll go get other players, but they usually get players that mimic the way they play. And they play the same way all the time. Anytime you play that consistent, it becomes incredibly difficult, especially now that they have Tatum feeling like he's back into that superstar bounce. It was good to see him really lift off of that leg and really trust. He took a couple of long steps within traffic. Anytime I see him trusted like that, that's always a really good thing as a Boston Celtics fan.

2:03:18Pat McAfee:How he has responded post-Achilles has been spectacular to watch, especially as somebody who has a quarterback who's going through an Achilles recovery who got done by the same doctor, I do believe. That's great news for the Colts, but for the Boston Celtics, not only Tatum just picking right up where he left off, Missoula's a psycho, but also, from my understanding, you guys brought in a secret weapon this late into the season, Connor? Yeah, last week, a lethal shooter came to town, and you could say that he had a great effect because I don't think a basketball touched a rim on any of their shots in the first quarter.

2:03:49It was one of the most impressive displays of shooting I've ever seen.

2:03:52Pat McAfee:Iman, you know a lethal shooter, obviously. Yeah, yeah. How is he not on a fucking team? And then also, is this coach – he literally went and coached the Celtics. Yeah, he was there for those few days off after the end of the season. Okay, can't wait to get him in here, okay, because we're never going to miss seemingly. But what is it – is that a new specialty that people are – like, I've never seen a guy miss. I mean, first time, then he understands it. Sure. Then I see him. It's the internet, all right? Don't ask Shump, why isn't this guy in the NBA? Come on, now. We see a lot of gimmicks on the internet.

2:04:26Come on. Don't you be fucking laughing at Lethal Shooter either. Hold on. I like Lethal Shooter. Now, we can go look up Lethal. You can go look up Lethal in college now. He ain't no just. He ain't no just. Oh, no. He a Hooper. He a Hooper. Oh, no. Oh, no. He got a real clip on him, though. Like, it's for real. Like, he could have went. He could have went. It's just like you got to remember a lot of things in the NBA. There's a ton of guys that didn't make it because the situation didn't fit. It's like if they were to come out of college two years later, the league kind of changed and they were a perfect fit.

2:05:00And some guys just missed it by a year, missed it by two years. It's a lot of different times that that happens. If somebody needed a shooter coming out of college when he was coming out, if somebody really needed him and they gave him a shot, why can't he be an Anthony Morrow type player? You know what I mean? You got to really think about it. He's not one of those guys that I would call an internet guy. because I know a bunch of guys that are internet guys. Hey, so I'm clear it up.

2:05:26Pat McAfee:Okay, thank you. Lethal shooter, hell yeah. Yes. And thank you for the years of entertainment. And the ingenuity to make a shooting of basketball into something, it could be this. When he started debuting the spiked rim. Oh, man. I was like, all this fucker's on to something, dude. This guy's going to start doing something. Then him and Red Bull started doing some crazy shit, shooting on the moon. I think it was in a helicopter at one point. Gummy bear. Yeah, the gummy bear into the bottle. I understand it now. You do? Yeah, I'm happy to hear that. I think the Celtics do too, which is kind of an issue.

2:05:54Pat McAfee:Let's go to the West, shall we? Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Sean, it felt like the one good series we were going to get was going to be Rockets-Lakers, and there was actually a video posted of Kevin Durant not missing in warm-ups, and then the NBA sent someone to bang his knees so that Lucas could get back sooner rather than later and kind of extend this series. Not sure what the hell happened there, but what did you see in Rockets-Lakers? LeBron back to his same old antics. I think he had 13 assists in game one, so he's dealing the ball as well. Do you see this one going seven or once, you know, Luka gets back, is this thing all she wrote?

2:06:32I don't know because I didn't – honestly, I didn't expect even the three days in between games. I ain't going to lie to you. There's a lot of stuff involved with seeing if we're going to see 77 put the jersey on. But I think it went exactly how I thought it would go. Okay. To dare come out there without KD, I think off sheer disrespect alone, LeBron was going to ensure that however it needed to get done, it was going to get done. Luke Kinnar came out there and played amazing, having his playoff season high. I thought DeAndre Ayton got out there and got involved exactly how he should, Just be efficient, play around the rim.

2:07:21Don't make any excuses. Have some pep in your step. He went out there and gave us all we wanted to see. Marcus Smart went out there and did exactly what I feel like he's supposed to do in playoff form. He doesn't get a lot of credit for a lot of the intangible things that he does, but he does them. But the Lakers went out there and did what I thought they were going to do. I don't expect much out of Houston without KD out there. We saw how much their field goal percentage, their three-point percentage.

2:07:48Pat McAfee:I heard that if LeBron beats this Houston team with what is currently set up for the Lakers, the GOAT discussion is over. That's what Perk said. Now it's happening. Now we got a guy, Chicago Bulls jerseys all around his fucking office. All over the place. Saying he's supposed to beat this team. He's supposed to be Houston. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about him. I'm talking about you. I get it. I get it. Perk puts a lot of pressure on them. I get it. I get it. Hey, man, it's all great for TV. If KD don't play against, if he don't play, Bron will dog walk this shit. All right. Okay, good.

2:08:42I'm being 100 % serious, though. It's not going to be like this dominating version of LeBron. But LeBron's best attribute is his basketball mind. He does matchups better than anybody that we've seen. And that's from matching up as a team, who gets to shoot on what side of the court, what percentages will work out in his head. That's what he's good at. So KD better get healthy. If KD's not healthy and Houston has to manufacture points in a brand new way that they haven't done all year when they've gotten comfortable doing everything at St. Goon being the second option? Like, we're not going to still have that anymore?

2:09:23You telling me that people can now tilt and load up on my side of the floor and none of those driving lanes are available? I did not like what I saw out of Houston without Kevin Durant. And so if they're going to put that pressure on Bron, I don't know how it makes them the GOAT. Michael Jordan is still bald with baggy shorts. It's cool. Don't even worry about that. But it is a very important series when you break down that Kevin Durant just sat out the game one. Like for Kevin Durant to sit out that game and give the Lakers a taste of – it really just gave them a deep breath to take because I was worried they wouldn't even get a game.

2:10:04I thought they would just run them, run them, run them, run them, and they wouldn't get a game. KD sits out. It changes things. It changes things.

2:10:11Pat McAfee:I hope KD is okay. Hope we get a good series out of that. And I'm appreciative of the fact that LeBron's a GOAT, man. Hey, listen. I guess he's going to have to win five NASCAR races. Yeah. LeBron's going to have to win five now. Feels like Michael Jordan and his team are starting to figure out the NASCAR thing. Oh, yeah. He's got to win that deep-sea fishing championship. True. Yeah, with the Marlin. Yep. I think you've got to get a bunch of big Marlin out there. He's going to have to get a couple good golf courses. Sell more shoes. Yeah, a lot more shoes. A lot more shoes. He's going to have to sell a lot more shoes.

2:10:40Pat McAfee:But if he's just carrying the Lakers at the age of 41, oh, there's a real combo happening all of a sudden. It seems like there's a real combo. Oh, yeah, he's the best. He's the best as far as the longevity of a career, being a professional on and off the court. He's the goal. Of course. Let it go. Yeah, yeah. He's the goal in a lot of different conversations. I totally understand. It's just that black 23, man. That black 23 was different. I got a lot of his shoes here. I got a lot of his shoes here. Man, he was different, man. He was different. Yeah, that's what they said. I was watching The Last Dance, and he certainly was.

2:11:19He was different. But, you know, I'm a Chicago kid. Who knows? I could have grew up in Ohio, and then Braun would be the GOAT. I could have grew up in Detroit, and Braun would have been the GOAT. You know what I mean? I hated on Kobe's greatness for the longest just because I wasn't from L.A. Then I realized I was a fan the whole time because I know way too much about Kobe Bryant to be acting like I'm not a fan.

2:11:41Pat McAfee:I do like how sports creates that, though. I mean, that's a real thing. It does. That happens in sports. That doesn't happen anywhere else. So I appreciate our sports world more and more every day. Last dance, though, Iman, I think I could play in the NBA whenever Jordan was playing. Okay, I want to let you know that I think I could play in that NBA. You give me six months, I think I could potentially get the handles to get into that NBA. I don't know, man. Iman, they were dribbling. This was the best teams, right? All those things were all playoff runs. So those were the teams that were in the playoffs.

2:12:12Pat McAfee:So I'm assuming... You think that's how we beat Gary Payton? You think they were dribbling like that? You think Portland was dribbling like that? No, the bottom of the league. Utah was dribbling like that? John Stockton was dribbling like that? Okay, now... John Stockton was coming off the ball screen putting nail in coffin with Paul Malone. We wasn't even supposed to win that game. Tom Malone and John Stockton had me fearing for my life. Thank you, Sean. Team for my life. All right, I understand. I understand. Y 'all going to stop disrespecting the old Sean Kemp without help punishing people at the win.

2:12:48That's the front. You want him to leave? I'm talking worst team. I'm talking worst team. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. He's taking teams in this league right now. He's taking teams in this league right now. They trying to get college players. They betting on eighth graders. They're going to get eighth graders right now. They thinking about the freshman in high school saying, when is he going to be available? They trading for that.

2:13:12Pat McAfee:That's what I'm saying. That's in the league every year. We had to beat shit. Like, we not going to act like the Bulls. Why are we always acting like the Bulls? They had to do what they had to do. Let's get to the bad boys. Beat magic. They like, oh, it was late magic. So? So? Hey, congrats to the Bulls. Congrats to the Bulls. Thanks for what you did for basketball. And Michael Jordan, thank you for what you did to basketball. I would like to say that. We beat Charles. We beat Charles. Charles still mad about it. No, people throw that in Charles' face all the time, though. I think that's probably why he does it.

2:13:47That's Charles.

2:13:48Pat McAfee:He pissed about it. He's supposed to be a champion. Not for that ball guy there, that 2-3 over there. That's what I'm saying. That's why we talk about this. Y 'all talking about the bottom of the league. I don't care about the bottom of the league. It's the bottom. True. The top. What's it? Michael Jordan. Yeah. I mean, also, kind of the international, I mean, for what's happening right now in the NBA, Michael Jordan. He got first. Yeah. Yeah, man. Pretty great. Hey, you see you in this neck brace is so concerning, Pat, if I must say so myself, man. You can't be letting them do that to you, dog.

2:14:21Pat McAfee:Everybody seemed like everybody. Even on the way out, the fans were saying things that were making the injury worse. Oh, my Lord. They went on my boy. Oh, they got my boy. It was a bad day. You see that thing explode. That table could have never guessed the fucking jelly roll was going to be coming on. Oh, my Lord.

2:14:39Darius Butler:Of the three, which was the worst? Was it the jelly?

2:14:43Pat McAfee:Yeah, that one was, to be clear, none of them were good.

2:14:46Darius Butler:Or the RKO.

2:14:48Pat McAfee:That guy just said something very rude to me. And then I wondered about my mom watching at home and if she thought I was going to be okay. So I was like, I give her an okay. Are those licensed paramedics? Yeah, there you go. And obviously that's for everybody here. You know, just one of those. That was Coda. Yeah, Coda's a licensed Las Vegas paramedic. Good fade. He was a good man. He talked me down a lot. And then he was the one that, Jesus, Iman, did you see that? Did you see that? That's so good. That's what I'm saying, boy. That's dangerous. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, no. Come on, boy. Yeah, Iman.

2:15:25I would have went on the stretcher after that one. That was before.

2:15:29Pat McAfee:That was right before. I mean, that wasn't right to the table. You just got right up, too. I'd have been asked for my neck brace and my stretcher. I didn't ask for anything, Yvonne. They sent out what they thought I needed. And I'll get my scans back tomorrow, thank you. Then I came down thinking I could count one, two, three. Look, Randy, that's my guy. That's Saturday night, Yvonne. That's Saturday night. Randall. Oh, man. Yeah, then I went. I'll tell you what, though. I didn't let it slow me down afterwards, did we? No, not at all. I went and gambled. I played a lot of blackjack. I went to a nightclub.

2:16:09Pat McAfee:I felt like a 95-year-old man in a nightclub. Once saw 50 set. We had a good time watching 50. It was like a trip back in time.

2:16:16Darius Butler:Tyrese looks like he's having a great time.

2:16:17Pat McAfee:Tyrese was having a good time. I will say Tyrese was having his WrestleMania moment. Good spirits. Yeah, he was a good spirit. You said. That's fine. Do you guys have shingles now? I've never been. No, that's not how that happened. Oh, shit. Actually, I'm not sure. We will find out. Tyrese, you're in on Tyrese. Oh, yeah. Never been more in on Halle. Kidding me? Absolutely dog. He had a great performance. Oh, yeah. He had a great performance, I will say. Through multiple settings, Tyrese had a great performance in all of them. It would have been nice if Kittle would have just let him drink that beer.

2:16:46Pat McAfee:Well, Kittle and him working the gimmick right there, too. I like that. They were. Kittle had a lot of beers, I would say.

2:16:52Darius Butler:Yeah, good stuff. Yeah.

2:16:52Pat McAfee:Kittle had a lot of beers, I would say. He's coughing. He's thirsty. Is that what he's selling there? I don't know. Oh, here's that beer. Kittle says, give me that. Iman, this could be you next year at WrestleMania. Let George Kittle chug your beers. I think beer relatively affordable. Really? I think so. I just don't know. I don't know if I'm going to make it if the playoffs is on. There's some good stuff going on, bro. I don't know. I don't know if I can do that over the playoffs. I watched the recap, though. Yeah, the clips. Watch the clips. I get it. I understand what you're saying. I get the clips.

2:17:19I got to watch the game live, dog. It's some good shit out here.

2:17:22Pat McAfee:Yeah, you're right. And there's an alien playing currently in the West. Go ahead, D-Bunch. Yeah, while we kind of still talk about the GOAT combo, MJ, Braun, Wimby is kind of like the first player I've seen since Braun that kind of has that GOAT potential on both sides of the court. Now, he just had his playoff debut last night, dropped 35. You know, they pretty much handled the Trailblazers wire to wire, but what's your expectations for him now and going forward? Because watching him, Steph Castle, I'm like, man, this team can be on a real run right here. What's your thoughts on Wimby and the Spurs?

2:17:52I like him. I like him. I think if anybody has something to say about the OKC Thunder repeating, it's going to be the Spurs. The only other way I could see it is the Boston Celtics just becoming becoming a better matchup throughout the seven game series. I think it'll take them a couple of games to figure it out. But Boston can always pose the question, I feel. but coming out of the West especially is important for them because they are the only team that can match up uh with the OKC Thunder and it is because they have an exceptional athlete in Victor Wimbayana and they have a a great uh backcourt that defensively can probably one of the only backcourts that can match up with OKC it's just OKC is so deep a team man it's so much pressure so much all the time.

2:18:45I can't put any expectation on the Spurs, but I can say that I'm very excited for them. I'm not going on the hill with Perk and saying that they're going to win their first time around because I go with the game and the history of the game, and it says that he's too young. He needs his heart broke. I think he's going to need a heartbreak, and I think the Thunder are going to be the ones to do it.

2:19:13Pat McAfee:I can't wait to see what the offseason looks like if Wemby goes through a heartbreak. He might write an album. Yeah, he might. He might write an entire music album. Or he gained that 20 pounds that Giannis went and gained. You remember when Giannis gained the 20 pounds and came back and we was like, wait, how do we stop that? He was just Bambi. He was the deer in headlights, falling all around. You could push Giannis in his hip and he'd fly out of bounds so he kind of would miss a lot of his finishes. And then he got real strong. And them hips got tight and all of a sudden it was pop and he was in the air on top of everybody's head it's like does wimby get that weight or does he stay nimble because i also like him being elusive he's kind of slithery how he gets by people yeah it's kind of he had a behind the back there at seven what how tall is he seven four four yeah like is he i want to know does he stay kevin duranish or does he start going more toward the yannis uh body type it would be interesting to see on how he works on his body but the sky's the limit for this dude uh the way he competes on both sides of the floor is exceptional even the way he talks about basketball the way he embraces challenges he is so good for the basketball world hey that's what you guys used to do like um after a whistle was blown and somebody would try to take a shot at a hoop guys started blocking those shots right then i think that's the kg rule kg started blocking them can't get it no free bucket here then ai i think i think he threw one like to the moon yeah yeah people are having to shoot like that against one b right like that little floater right there look reminded me of when ai was trying to steal the yeah the the extra shot or whatever it's insane that's a whole new that's another thing yeah that's another thing we've talked about he takes away the floater sometimes people have tried to do that and he still blocks it like right here that's an unorthodox floater like nobody should have to float that high you shouldn't have to extend your arm that early that is wow yeah floater it's like you know those uh you know that dog uh you know when the dogs do the dock jumping yeah and they like chase a ball that's going out there yeah like i wonder how high you could put one for wemby like if it was yeah like if it was volleyball volleyball they'll like set it high oh tell somebody to go get it 14 how high could wemby get if he had to go get one unbelievable 14 if he had to right if he had to go get one if he had to go do it if he because like in practice we won't get it ever i don't think like if it was a game no reason how high can he however high that was right there i think he could have kept unbelievable that's unbelievable but that's the other thing about it is he's got some he's got some strong hands he gets a fingertip on a lot of these shots sometimes people are throwing passes and just his finger alone changes the direction.

2:22:02A lot of times it'll change the spin of the ball. It'll ricochet a little bit, but when he seems to get a deflection, it's always a total redirection of the ball. I can only imagine that his hands are stronger than they appear. You could probably ask Avdi. He slapped him dead on the back doing that behind the back move right there. But the cool thing that the Portland Trailblazers are going to have to realize that drew holiday is going to benefit from this the most i'm excited to see game two they have to re-establish in their mind that there is a lost art of the mid-range jumper the mid-range jumper cannot go away when you play this team and i say that to say you have to be able to go off of a ball screen you have to be able to put their defender on the hip then you're going to have to be able to play within that flirting range of can he block it or can he not block it when you shoot that mid-range jumper sometimes wimby bites if he bites and goes for the contest you now have somebody that has an offensive rebounding lane if you don't do that and you go for the bait and think that you could just leave it on the rim with a floater you get

2:23:15Pat McAfee:you deal with the results that we just saw okay we got a mid-range the shit out of the alien down there in san antonio good luck to all parties trying to do that iman thank you for making time for us, man. You're the best. Yes, sir. Thank y 'all, man. We would like some more non-biased punditry, though. Yeah, right down the middle. Hey, Frozen, and that's weird. Interesting. Live from Shump Street, Iman Shumpert. Thank you. Yeah, y 'all.

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2:24:57Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what, he was ready to go to war right there for them bulls. Yeah, made some good points. He did bring up some good stuff. I still think, my answer was never, I could have been on one of the ass teams down at the bottom. I could have been on one of the ass teams. Probably Pacers. I wish we could throw you out there and see. Maybe you find out the same way you just found out about the business. Uncalled for. I don't know if I'm getting Crossroads jelly rolled and NRKO'd. Maybe I'm the one doing that. They had the Jordan rules. Bad boys they had to get through. Lamb Beard and the boys.

2:25:30Rodman.

2:25:30Pat McAfee:Okay, so that's the truth. That's what I'm saying. Bad boys. You guys are talking about like four teams. The playoffs. I'm not saying that. I'm saying. First game of the season. Worst team. I'm on the fucking Washington.

2:25:41Darius Butler:The Knicks.

2:25:41Pat McAfee:Washington Bullets. Yeah, Flint Tropics. I'm on Flint Tropics. How many points you got to score? No, I'm a defensive specialist. I'm passing that thing. Three and D. I might hit it. Three and D, definitely. I'm bopping wood out there. I'm talking about the Flint Tropics. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. NBA kind of has always only been four to eight teams, if you think about it. I'll tell you, people do not like the way this season has gone with the obvious good, obvious bad. I don't know how they fix it. I'm excited to hear. There was something that Adam Silver this weekend, there was a rumor or something.

2:26:15Pat McAfee:I forget what it was. Fuck. Fuck. Tier. Maybe Ryan Smith said something about it. Like a tier. Like if you qualify to be a part of it, as opposed to having to outright, you can like qualify for that particularly. Like are you rebuilding? I forget how we worded it. It's like I like that they're trying to figure it out. But every game being a six-point spread, obviously basketball, it's only two shots, whatever the case. It's still like all year they had a 25.5 points spread. Yeah. All time. It's like, that's not good. I mean, it's the playoffs. The Celtics are favored by 14 points. Yeah, so it's like, how do teams get better?

2:26:46Pat McAfee:And now they're doing expansion? I don't know. It's all fascinating. It's all interesting. I guess content is content, and events are events. If you can sell tickets to an event, people will go to event. Okay, like here in Indiana, Indianapolis, people will go to Pacer games if they have friends in town. What is there going on on Tuesday? Oh, we can go to a Pacer game. Let's go to a Pacer. So it's a live event. I get that. But from a watching and, like, buying in perspective, Sometimes it's hard to know who's trying. Now, playoff basketball, though. Yes. Everybody wants peace. Oh, yeah. Even the Orlando Magic are trying to take a little bite of it.

2:27:20Pat McAfee:They're going right into Detroit and smacking them right in the mouth. Got all the people in Detroit already giving up hope on their number one seed, Detroit Pistons. They should. What? They should give up hope. I don't give up hope yet. But to counter your point, the Pistons were bad for like 10 years, A couple good draft picks. Boom, they flipped the switch. Same with the Spurs. They were horrible for years. A couple good draft picks. They flipped the switch. So I assume that's what Adam Silver is going to pitch to everyone. And that's Ryan Smith's problem. Ryan Smith last week was like, hey, we've been bad for a while, and we haven't moved up in the lottery.

2:27:54That's a problem. And so it's hard to get better when you don't do that.

2:27:57Pat McAfee:He said we're in a good spot, though. We have gotten to the point now where we will be going. He said, but there's other teams that are, hey, don't look now. there's other teams that are about to be trying to do what we basically just kind of got out of the tail end of. You know, these other teams. It's been a known system, I guess. Just pulling into the pits right now. That's what he's, you know, talking about pit stops and it takes four years to get back out onto, you know, pit lane. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, to help in the current situation to maybe give a prognostication on what is currently happening as we await my scans, which will be returned tomorrow morning.

2:28:33Pat McAfee:former NFL doctor obviously founder of the Central Injury PFI is it? Sports Injury Central Oh there it is which I did not get to see the video of mine if they did one but we are asking for it now ladies and gentlemen Dr. David Chow What's going on Doc? We'll give you a live recap of this. My question for you is harder hit. Jelly roll on you or are you taking a hit in the NFL? Okay, good question. I think in the NFL, I blacked out mentally. Didn't really remember the thing. For the jelly roll one, my whole body stopped working. I don't know if you saw. It just couldn't really operate it for whatever reason.

2:29:18Pat McAfee:I think there's maybe some nerve. You see my head bobbing. My head bobbing back and forth there. Maybe it's a nerve. Obviously, I can't have anything broken here, right, Doc? But it wasn't just this. Remember, I got to crossroads which is a lot of ripping on the neck. So I got... Boom! Okay, that. Yeah. We don't know. Whiplash. We don't know if that potentially did anything either there, Dr. David Child. I was right back up there. I'm a fucking cat. But watch this, Doc. And twisty woo-hoo. Oh. Okay. Could be whiplash as well because I'm coming to a complete stop. But also he's raking on my neck right there.

2:29:52Pat McAfee:And then to kind of cap it all off, after I do a 75-yard sprint with the neck brace on because who knows, it's a lot of pain. I get this one. Devastating. Bang! Right there. I mean, Doc, in my mind, with how it's feeling, especially after... Go, go, go, go, go. Oh, sorry. It's your birthday. We're gonna party like it's your birthday. We're gonna party like it's your birthday. We're gonna party like it's your birthday. And many men did wish death upon me. Yeah. And blood in my body. And I think, see? So I don't know if I've been treating it perfectly, but I have had this on. We're getting the scans back tomorrow.

2:30:36Pat McAfee:What do you expect that I'm going to hear whenever I see these scans between a C2 and a C5, Donner? Well, look, I hope it's going to be good news. Look, you certainly strained your neck. You certainly took a lot of force on it. I'm actually surprised you didn't break a rib with that jelly roll thing and so forth. But you're playing hurt. You're playing hurt today for the fans. It's all good. Okay, so what is projected recovery here with potential broken ribs? Actually, I haven't even thought about that. Now that you mention it, I do feel a little tenderness right down here. Couldn't tie your shoe because of that.

2:31:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, I couldn't get down there. I didn't even think about my – maybe we should get that scanned as well. Maybe a hairline fracture in there that's kind of coming in now as the adrenaline is kind of wearing off. Neck strain, how long am I going to – of course, if scans come back clean, which you are normally right there in everything you project, how long neck strain is going to be bothering me? How long do you think I've got to have this thing on? I think you're going to be stiff for a while, but I don't imagine that you're going to keep that neck collar on for very long. You're just as soon as you get the MRI good, you're just going to be like one of the football players that just say, I'm going to roll with it, even though you play hurt without it, because you'll be tired of it.

2:31:45And you're already trying to move around a lot as it is. My money's on you recovering faster than most here. But I will say this. Say what you will about WWE. and I covered ringside WWE before. The action is real and the injuries are real. I mean, say what you will about it. Yeah, thank you, Doc.

2:32:07Pat McAfee:I agree. All right, thank you for that. Let's now turn our attention to the draft. Obviously, you've been a part of many of those and the medicals matter so damn much. There's somebody that has seemingly been hurt ligament, bone, and muscle in his collegiate career, but so explosive. Go ahead, Tone.

2:32:24Darius Butler:Yeah, Pat's talking about Jordan Tyson at Colorado. He tore his ACL and I believe PCL as well, maybe MCL. And then he had the collarbone injury two years ago, right before the college football playoff. And then the hamstring issues this year. What did you see from Jordan Tyson's workout? And how do you think the NFL doctors will see him going into this draft? We're not really that worried about Jordan Tyson. And we said it ahead of this special pro day, his personal pro day, hamstring injuries always heal. Have we ever heard of one that didn't heal? He doesn't have a history of recurring hamstring.

2:32:58Look at that athleticism. The collarbone, he plays football. It's a collision sport. It's healed. The knee is the issue. But remember, the knee was multiligament and it was 2022. So you've got a lot of tape on him and how athletic he is and how he's recovered. So I actually don't see a lot of issues on him in terms of medical for this draft. And I think that's what you're hearing about him going up the draft board at this point in time.

2:33:26Pat McAfee:Yeah, I think that's a huge deal. I think what you just said is a massive ordeal because for me, I'd be scared to death to have somebody that has so many injuries to draft to a 17-game season with a bunch of adults faster and maybe even more physical than it's ever been at the highest peak of it, not necessarily every single play. It's like, how will this guy survive? You saying the injuries not seemingly correlated to each other and his most recent one is a hamstring. He'll be back from that. You're saying that any draft class, this would be not a problem, or this draft class because it's not nearly as, I guess, blue chippy is what they say.

2:34:02Pat McAfee:I guess he would be considered a blue chippy. Are you saying any draft would view him that way or this draft in particular? Well, you know, medical grades are different just like personnel grades are different. What I'm saying here is medical isn't going to determine where he's drafted. I think he's fine medically. His talent will determine where he's drafted. And his talent might have him at the top of the wide receiver draft. And I think it will come to fruition there. Not worried about Jordan Tyson, besides, despite all this injury-prone stuff, which I don't like that injury-prone term. The kid plays hard.

2:34:37His injuries are not related. And look at how he's performed in the years since his knee injury. Not real worried about him.

2:34:44Pat McAfee:Wow, that's a huge statement coming from you, I think. I think Jordan Tyson's people are certainly going to be pumped to hear that as well. See? Yeah. That's what we've been saying this entire time. He has some Odell shit going on in the workout. And then you watch some of the film, it's like, this guy's freak freaky out here. If you're able to get him, why not? But there's also potentially people trying to stir up a little shit right now saying, you never draft that. Yeah, don't draft him. Definitely not before the 14th pitch. No, you never want to do that. We are in draft season. I'm not saying doctors do that, but certainly teams do it as they roll.

2:35:15Pat McAfee:Let's go to the NBA, another massive story. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Doc, anything on Luka Doncic? Now there's a chance that he's going to play game three. Maybe we see that there's an extra day off in between games for this series. What's your take on this? Do you think we're going to get a somewhat like 60 % Luka, 70 % Luka? What's your take on this? Look, you know, when you travel to Europe and you try and get all the special treatment, it's a great two-hamstring strain. We've been saying at Sports Injury Central all along, he's out for at least the first series. The Lakers will have to survive that for him to return.

2:35:52Here's the issue. I actually see Austin Reeves coming back before Luka Doncic. Austin Reeves can try and play through his rib issue and try and tough it out. Luka, if he comes back a game too early, he could be lost for the rest of the playoffs. So I don't see the Lakers doing that when it comes to a hamstring the way that it is for him. So I think they're going to have to get by Houston without him and then see what happens.

2:36:16Pat McAfee:Okay, Doc, we appreciate you so much. Thank you for taking the time. I don't know where you are right now, but are you always in scrubs? No, you know, this was off kilter. I'm, you know, I, yeah, sometimes I'm lazy between surgeries. And so I'm in scrubs between surgeries. When it's a planned visit, I put on that Sports Injury Central red shirt. This was impromptu. So apologies. No, apologies to us to not getting your report immediately after I had this neck injury. I should have asked. I should have immediately went to Sports Injury Central and said, hey, what should I be expecting here? Because I was starting to freak out a little bit.

2:36:50Pat McAfee:And then they were like, don't worry about it. You go ahead and put this collar on. You'll be okay. Do whatever. Do whatever. I can go to a 50 Cent concert. There'll be a lot of this.

2:36:57Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:36:58Pat McAfee:Yeah. And I do this. You do it with the collar on. You'll be safe. That's good news. Take the under on your recovery. You're a football player. Hell yeah. Well said. Amen, Doc. That's Dr. David Chow. And Doctor. God, I needed that, didn't I? He knows. He does know. 173 text messages after WrestleMania. Not one from him. Really? He's probably checking tape. Make sure you'll be okay. Yeah, he didn't want to say, hey, hope you're okay. He does want to find out. Yeah, make a bad read on it. That was interesting. I've been doing a lot of no phone stuff lately.

2:37:37Darius Butler:What else? Augusta. Huh? Oh, yeah. Augusta.

2:37:43Pat McAfee:WrestleMania, I had nothing. I was Amish. I was Amish. Came out of that thing afterwards. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm like, oh, I wonder what happened.

2:37:53Darius Butler:Oh. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I did.

2:37:56Pat McAfee:I did. I was like, oh, something might have happened. Because we've got a lot of stuff going on right now. There's a lot of stuff going on in our particular business. so I thought maybe something you know really happened then I realized oh everybody yeah you okay dude yeah I just got stretched out you okay dude everything okay I just saw jelly roll fuck jelly roll a lot of that oh we don't like jelly rolling what the hell happened no we don't no no

2:38:16Darius Butler:no I think me and jelly roll are gonna be okay maybe you two but the rest of us you're done on him yeah I just didn't like that I mean why are we all right he could have put that to bed who cares I'm sorry did we see what he did to you I mean you're you're apparently very forgiving he wanted

2:38:32Pat McAfee:But he was also telling the crowd, like, hey, I'm representing for you guys. I think Jelly Roll was just having a little rock star moment there. You know, I think he was doing full rock star, Brett.

2:38:39Darius Butler:Okay. That's what I think he was doing. And he should have sang the national anthem.

2:38:44Pat McAfee:Michael Cole is sitting there. It's happening right in front of you guys. I do appreciate D-Butt. There is an angle where D-Butt is actually pointing, going, no. Everybody else has their phone out watching me die. So, D-Butt, I appreciate you at least pointing.

2:38:57Darius Butler:He was living in the moment.

2:38:58Pat McAfee:Yeah, a lot of phones out there. Everybody seemed to be so happy when this thing broke with me on top of it. Then a stretcher comes out, shots Coda and Miss Lady. I forget her name. I was talking to him. I said, I was going, hey, see you okay, Pat? I said, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think that guy was licensed either that got you on that stretcher. I don't think so. If you're in Las Vegas and you go through something, I hope you don't. There's a chance that Coda and Miss Lady do come get you. No, I hope not. I hope they don't have to get to anybody ever. I hope nothing ever happens. It worked.

2:39:25Pat McAfee:I hope nothing ever happens. But, yeah, I mean, shout out to Eddie Orango helping out, too. Mr. Jordan helping out. Thank you, guys. Is that your first time being on a stretcher? Yeah. Like, taking out like that? Yeah, first time ever. A lot of things happened in that wrestling. There it is. Look at the crowd. So big. Yeah. Yeah, so mad. Yeah. What a time to be alive. The arm up. Tore it all, man. That was good. I'll tell you what, you can stretch it out and come back. Nobody's talking about being a fighting ref. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? You only get one night. My shoe was unthought, I just realized.

2:39:59Darius Butler:Yeah. Dangerous.

2:40:01Pat McAfee:Happy I'm okay. Boof. So close.

2:40:04Darius Butler:Well, you couldn't look down because your neck was potentially fractured. I should have counted.

2:40:08Pat McAfee:Exactly. I can't just say. And that's why the motion was a little slower. Tick slower. Yeah, because in my head it was a lot faster. Now that I'm watching it, it's kind of slower. And maybe that was the relay through the neck.

2:40:18Darius Butler:And then I can't escape. Was this just the animal in Randy coming out? He just saw a human neck. He just saw red next to him.

2:40:24Pat McAfee:I think he thought maybe I should have counted. quicker. I haven't really caught up with Randy.

2:40:28Darius Butler:Could have just been the Viper coming out. Saw the ref shirt too. He already had, you know, Robinson once.

2:40:33Pat McAfee:I'm just a little bit worried that Randy and I's friendship is going to be affected by this. Yeah? I think it's going to have to. I got rid of my heart. I've heard my shirt already. There's nothing you can't get by. They cancel him. Yeah, who knows what voice told him. They talk to him. What voice told him to do that to you? Exactly. Maybe Jelly Rolls. Could have been Jelly. He was thinking about the song Get By. And boom. And he said, that's how I get by. Gotcha. Jell-Roll's got a lot of hits. A lot of hits. Son of a sinner, perhaps? Doesn't excuse what he did.

2:41:09He might have been thinking about it.

2:41:24Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what. When they do the...

2:41:30Pat McAfee:Getting a chance to experience that in the arena one more time, a couple more times. His interest was pretty good. Good fit. Me and Randy were standing down in the ring getting ready for a fight. Yeah. You know, getting ready to save the business. I'm telling Randy, you look good, champ. You look good, champ. People are taking pot shots at me. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of pot shots at me. What? One of 50s guys. 50s guys? Yeah, fat. So we're over here. We'd go on to see him later. Yep. Have a good time with him. He's a pretty good guy. Fuck you, Pat. Yeah, big bingo.

2:42:03Darius Butler:Did he have that same energy later? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

2:42:06Pat McAfee:He let me know. And I looked at him. I did remember him. He was, me and him, eye contact one-on-one right here. Because you do see each individual. Oh, yeah. Omar, right to your fucking face. Close to you. What time was Kittle on? Kittle was talking shit to a lot of the crowd, I think, a lot of the time. But I told Kittle to go fuck himself, though, if we are wondering. I was in the ring. and I looked at Kittle. Fuck you, Kittle. Yeah, had to. And Kittle goes,

2:42:30Pat McAfee:Tyrese get one. Fucking booze bag, drunk. Tyrese deserved one because he was definitely on Cody's side. Yeah, I was like, Tyrese's dad, though. Okay. John, big John. Yeah. Let's talk about Tyrese Halliburton's dad. You know, I would like to say our guy. Courtside again. Our guy. Definitely my guy. Okay. He's a legend. I come out, everybody's middle finger. Everybody's saying everything to me. I get in the ring, big John Halliburton's front row. Thumbs up like this at me, smiling, waving. Everybody's flipping me off. Everybody in the building is flipping me off. And I'm flipping off. I'm telling everybody, fuck you, fuck you too.

2:43:10Pat McAfee:Hey, you fatso. Yeah, right. And big John Halliburton, big thumbs up and waving. So happy. That support. And I looked at him, and I was going to say, I was going to do it. but I just went to Cole. I said, oh, Zempick looking ass. To Cole, it was a, that's an interesting thing, man. Very rarely can you just walk into an arena or a stadium and everybody in there hates that you're there. That was a beautiful thing. That was a lot easier to see the people that were supportive of me, you know, because they really stuck out. And I appreciate them going through it out there. I appreciate you guys going through it out there.

2:43:50Pat McAfee:We were getting right away. So, I didn't know all those fucking fans were on the stage there. I mean, they were pretty close. Yeah. I mean, they were pretty close to the situation. We didn't do it. I didn't do it. Yeah. I just got a guy right there, too. That was great. Yeah, I got a guy right there, too. He was the one that was holding a sign that said, Trash McAfee. As soon as I walk out, I saw it. I'm like, what's this guy all about? I'm fucking saving his money. I don't think I should have got a full entrance. But if we're out here, let's fucking do it. Yeah, there you go. Every one of you needs to get it.

2:44:22Pat McAfee:Absolutely. Yep, you can take it. Sweet. Eat some. With the red, too. Red letters. Yeah, it was a good time, man. It was a good time out there. And, you know, I guess I was mistaken a little bit by some of the things I said.

2:44:33Darius Butler:Yeah. That's going to happen, yeah.

2:44:34Pat McAfee:I'll just try and gas up my guy. Yeah.

2:44:37Darius Butler:Save the business.

2:44:38Pat McAfee:Who's the real loser in this whole thing? Look at me. Look at me right now. Yeah. I got to finally meet fucking Cameron. Guy I fucking love. Hey, ma. What's up? Fucking met him finally. It is what it is. I was so pumped to meet him. Take a picture. I got a fucking neck bracelet. Yeah. Yeah. He probably respects him. One of them Saturday WrestleMania. Mm-hmm. I can't say it. And I didn't say it, by the way. And I do know rap songs well enough to not say it. Okay? Yes. As a white who does know every rap song and basically every word to it, I have to know it better. Okay? I have to know every song very well.

2:45:16A couple beats ahead. I have to. Yeah.

2:45:20Pat McAfee:I have to be. I have to be. And there's no, oh, we're too intoxicated. We're flowing. Yeah, no. I saw a lot of people tweeting, Pat, definitely. Some people were saying, did he say? And then everybody was like, no, that's Halliburton. And they're like, no, he knows the words back there. It's like, I come from an NFL locker room. Let's all please have some respect for my teammates and understand that that would never happen. And it can't. But I'll tell you, it is a fine line when you're singing songs from 2004. okay and you know the words kinda and then all of a sudden if you're in a video in the back and you're rapping along and you know it's a club so you can't hear anything you can't even get caught doing that hey his fucking mouth just said it i know i know they can't do any of that so please please know that that would never happen now halliburton he was pulling on a show yeah halliburton was pulling on a show but that whole album i mean all 50 has to do is just play play just press play on Get Rich or Die Trying.

2:46:17Pat McAfee:We're going to do the whole fucking thing. That's all he has to do. But there's three different albums that he has heat from, too. It was a great fucking show. He played the power intro song. Nice. Yeah. Your camera got up there. Unbelievable. His favorite show. I love that show. Yeah, that might have been my favorite live show, too. It was fucking incredible. I mean, it was a great show. I told him that, actually. Hey, man, graduate high school in 05. Yep, I was the one. That you. Yeah, all this shit was us, basically. Go. every day. Thank you so much for your contributions to my life. No problem, man.

2:46:48Pat McAfee:I'm like, all right, I need to get the fuck out of here. 10 out of 10 hospitality, too. Unbelievable. Steak. Yeah. 10 out of 10. Drinks. Hey, what do you need? What do you need? What do you need? Come on here. We had a group of 10. We were deep. We're deep. Dudes. All. And just like right in. Yeah, come on in. All right, sweet. We walk into a room. It was a big room. Yeah. Oh. I don't know if I should be here right now. Tony fucking Yayo. Unreal. The real report. him and Uncle Murda love that I need you on the show actually you got it fucking Tony no problem man nice to meet you I'm in this sunglasses on fucking ref shirt incredible it's hilarious to see obviously people that know the business and then people that don't follow the business you alright man tough night tough night are you gonna be okay I don't know if anybody's ever had to for the scans.

2:47:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, checking with Chow. Cody Rhodes, Crossroads me. Bang. Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll, you know Jelly Roll? Grabbed me a Wardle. Fucking, he pulled me through the table. It was exploded. Splinter was all over my body. And then Randy Orton, you know, RKO. Fucking got me. That was all tonight. They said, wow, is everything going to be okay? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm running on adrenaline right now. Yeah, I didn't see this until this morning. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, this is happening. Yeah, this is good. What are you guys laughing about? I like how they're holding you on there. What are you guys?

2:48:17Pat McAfee:What's so funny? What's so funny? Everybody. Just sneaking it in there. Make sure they know. Because I knew there was going to be a lot of photos. What are your fingies down there? Is that frog driving? I was not. It was all. Look at your face, too. Yeah. All of it. Yeah, I got carted out twice. I got stretchered out. I got carted out. Like how you're hunched over. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't control my body. I couldn't control my body. No, of course not. They're like, hey, there's still fans here. I go, what does that fucking mean? Locked up. My body, I can't use it.

2:49:02Pat McAfee:Those days are past now. Hell of a run. Unbelievable. Great run. Great run. AJ, you were a part of my wrestling run. Thank you for your service, AJ. Back in the day, it was fun, yeah. Just called. D-Bot, you were a part. Thank you so much, D-Bot. Frankie, thank you, buddy. To my WWE 2K brethren. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. What a run that was. What a run. True honor. They were really happy whenever we all got into that game. Ecstatic, yeah. That was one of the nicest days on the internet for us. It really was. Yeah. That was my introduction to the IWC. That's when they said, hey, yeah, not in our fucking time.

2:49:42Oh, yeah.

2:49:43Pat McAfee:Yeah. Fuck these goofballs. They don't get it. They never will. They might have been right all along, though. Feels like they probably are. You guys look great in the game. You too, AJ. Thank you. We'll always have them. Do you think Jelly and Cody are going to be a tag team now? Travel around? I don't know. I didn't get a chance to catch up with either of them. Fuck, Walter. Your body shut down. You're right. Yeah. Cody's eye all right? I don't think so. From my understanding, from what I saw on the internet, not in real life. I haven't seen that thing in real life. I believe that thing was a big time.

2:50:19Pat McAfee:Huge. That was a big time. And then there's also, I believe, some stitches here.

2:50:23Darius Butler:He got kicked in the head.

2:50:24Pat McAfee:Some other shit happened in here. In the back, yeah. He got fucked up pretty good. The champ really laid it all out there. Exactly. Which is why we would like to reiterate That fucker might be the one That guy might be the one I tell you He was fun to watch out there wasn't he I didn't really appreciate the fact that You know When we attack him Before the match starts He's supposed to lose that You're not supposed to fucking drop Randy into a post No Because Randy's supposed to Boom Boom Boom

2:51:01I gotta stop doing that AJ warned you we talked about it last week man they watch film too bud you know they saw that like they were waiting that's good you're setting up you're setting up a comeback maybe someday no he's done with the business part of the agreement

2:51:17Darius Butler:we'll see deal's a deal dude he's a man of his word

2:51:21Pat McAfee:I did sign something I didn't read so

2:51:23Darius Butler:I did see that yeah

2:51:24Pat McAfee:I got caught up in a moment Randy said he was gonna go talk to the crowd I couldn't wait to hear him

2:51:28Darius Butler:And that guy was smirking.

2:51:29Pat McAfee:For an Adam Pearce?

2:51:31Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:51:31Pat McAfee:Yeah. I like to say thanks to him for trying to keep up.

2:51:34Darius Butler:Guy, I didn't need to know his name.

2:51:36Pat McAfee:I think his name's Nick.

2:51:38Darius Butler:All the trucks are sick, though.

2:51:39Pat McAfee:The Ram trucks?

2:51:40Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:51:41Pat McAfee:Yeah, those were sweet. The most recent one was the best.

2:51:42Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:51:43Pat McAfee:The week before that, probably not their best, but it was a good Ram truck. I fucking did it.

2:51:49Darius Butler:It's very unlike you to sign something that you didn't read, though.

2:51:52Pat McAfee:I had only a couple words on it. It felt like it was pretty basic stuff. but I think it did mention that I could get hit by anybody at any time. That's why he was smirking. Clear for physicality. I said, alright, you got it. Cody actually said when he got in the ring, he reminded me, he said, I can hit you right now. What? And I had to think to myself, can he? No way. Randy. Oh yeah, he fucking can. Do it. And then guess who hit who? And then guess what didn't work? That was not how that was supposed to go. We're supposed to beat him the fuck down. We're supposed to beat him the fuck down. he was supposed to go through maybe the commentator table exactly he was maybe supposed to have maybe me yeah

2:52:29Darius Butler:who knows if I'm showcasing out there yeah

2:52:32Pat McAfee:I'm showcasing the immortals like this right here coming across on him then Randy throws his fucking bag of bones back in the ring ring the bell doofus 1, 2, 3 we're out of there he's got they were talking about match times that one there was a lot of talk about that that one should have been much quicker yeah but instead it was complete opposite and I felt like I was taught a bit of a lesson pretty quickly. Teddy Rode's going to fucking kill you. Jelly Roll's going to kill you. And Rainey's going to kill you. Almost like the rest of them go and say, hey, kid.

2:53:05Pat McAfee:Scream. Which is why I said, hey, if this doesn't go how it's supposed to go, I'm out of here.

2:53:09Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:53:10Pat McAfee:We're back on Wednesday.

2:53:13Darius Butler:Where at? Live from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

2:53:17Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Tomorrow we were going to be live and then something was offered to us in Pittsburgh, so we are going to have to take them up on that offer, so we are going to do that. I get a lot of people telling me that I'm getting lazy because we don't do a show as much. Whenever there's some sporting event on in the afternoon that we're all going to watch anyways, what we have learned over the history of doing this show is it is not worth you watching us watch another show. It is not good for anybody. It is not good. It is literally not good for anybody. It's fucking the worst. It's the shits. We can't help ourselves.

2:53:46Pat McAfee:If the Masters is on in the afternoon, we're going to watch the Masters. If March Madness is happening, we're going to watch it. That's kind of how it goes. So we got a lot of people talking shit about us about not, you know, this week, we're off tomorrow. We're getting offered something that we've never been offered before and we're getting our scans back tomorrow. Yeah, very important.

2:54:02Darius Butler:You might have to have fusion surgery tomorrow.

2:54:05Pat McAfee:Potentially. Yeah. But also, the thing we were offered tomorrow, I've never heard of any human being getting offered it and we're going to take advantage of that. Hell yeah. We're also doing a, you know, five plus hour show on Thursday night. So, you know, kind of. No, but genuinely, the fact that any of you watch anything, we're very surprised and appreciative of. Thursday night's going to be gigantic. Wednesday we're live from Pittsburgh from the draft spot.

2:54:30Darius Butler:Friday too.

2:54:31Pat McAfee:Friday we're live from there as well. With Roger Goodell. The commissioner of the NFL. Annual post first round. How'd you do, Rog? Hey, what are we doing about the refs, Rog? A lot of that. There's going to be a lot of that. I think that's probably going to be the focal point of this particular conversation this year. Hey, BMAC, heads up. We're coming in with that. Don't you think, AJ, that was nice of us to do? Absolutely.

2:54:56Darius Butler:Yeah, give him a heads up. He knows. He would expect it to. Heads up. Normally, we want to know where the next draft is going to be as well. You already know that. Well, the one after DC. There you go.

2:55:04Pat McAfee:Heads up. We also want to know 18 games, two buys. Feels right. Australia, automatic buy. How does this work? What's your thoughts? There's a lot to talk about with him. That he will have answers. He is actually.

2:55:19Darius Butler:Grass.

2:55:19Pat McAfee:The streaming deals. Streaming deals. Back to the table. Five more money, five more games with YouTube. NFL Network getting purchased by ESPN, but also the NFL now having a percentage of ESPN as a whole.

2:55:30Darius Butler:Are we negotiating with him? Maybe making players declare before the draft whether they want to come back and play or not. Something to think about.

2:55:37Pat McAfee:Quarterbacks?

2:55:38Darius Butler:Sure. Whatever. Looks good.

2:55:40Pat McAfee:I like the NBA. Just quick follow-up. Do we know if that has happened yet? Do we still have time before the draft starts? How many days?

2:55:49Darius Butler:Two and a half-ish? So, could still happen. Actually, 77 hours. Two minutes, 53.

2:55:56Pat McAfee:Pretty good little countdown right there. Yeah. It's right here, I guess. Good enough. Good job here with boys. Good job. Good job, Zeke. Good job, Dirty. Good job, Nick. Good job, boys. Coming together. Countdown to the Draft Spectacular is currently sitting at 77 hours. Two minutes.

2:56:14Pat McAfee:35 seconds. So close. It's the next generation NFL superstar. Oh, yeah. Live in Pittsburgh. Think about the energy that's going to be there. Nice weather. Holy shit, AJ. Great weather. Great weather, isn't it? I mean, yeah. It's Pittsburgh. Let's not get to it. Yeah, I'm going to put my eggs in it. Don't say great. I mean, not freezing. It's not going to be freezing. I don't know if Denardo's doing the reading of the Doppler that he created, but it does sound like, by all accounts, it's going to be a good couple days. The NFL seemingly has that effect. Yep. Came to Indianapolis for the Super Bowl.

2:56:45Pat McAfee:We had like 75-degree weather in February. It's never happened before for four days. Then as soon as they left, we had an ice storm. Pittsburgh, here we go. Green Bay was a little bit. Friday was bad. Thursday, the night of the draft, we got lucky. But Detroit was the cold. Boy, it was cold and windy. Brisk. I forgot how chilly it was. Have we decided on a dress code yet? We haven't. What we're dressing like? No, no idea. We have not figured that out yet.

2:57:07Darius Butler:I packed a.

2:57:09Pat McAfee:Don't. I got an idea. I got an idea. I need to run by you. No, no, no. I mean, I know what the last years have been. Okay, so we're just going, hey, let's dress nice.

2:57:20Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:57:21Pat McAfee:Okay, it's the draft. That's why I need to run it by you. It's a draft spectacular. You're dressing like an asshole? Is that what it sounds like? It's just I have a couple ideas. Ty, it's a shame you never get to go to this. I know, and I love Pittsburgh. I love everything about Pittsburgh. I love you, man. And, you know, of course, it's going to be nice, too. but you guys will be, you know, you don't need me up there. You'll be fine without me. But you would make it better. Like, if you were ever a part of one of these, I think you, Ty Schmidt, would really enjoy the drafts. Well, listen, it's one of my favorite nights of the year, sitting at home watching you guys, or wherever I end up, you know, wherever I'm at, I'm tuning into you guys, and I'm just saying, I am just chomping at the bit, like, oh, man, I would love to respond to that, or I would love to say something there, But it's just not the reality of the situation, unfortunately.

2:58:09Pat McAfee:It's crazy. All right, he's got something going on. I know.

2:58:15Pat McAfee:Why do we have him on the graphic? I don't know. I actually asked Bone that. I said, hey, this is kind of.

2:58:20Darius Butler:Oh, he was too busy letting Cody in the building to really.

2:58:23Pat McAfee:I'll tell you what, Bone really had quite a performance this weekend in Vegas. He showcased that he was clearly on our side, but he was happy without ending, I think. You know what I mean? He had a great night. Oh, yeah. Da Bone? 50 Cent.

2:58:39Darius Butler:Did he know who 50 Cent was?

2:58:42Pat McAfee:A lot of this right here.

2:58:46For 50. Like, right behind him. Mike. Did Da Bone know any of the songs?

2:58:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, he had a couple of these. Yeah, right here is 50. In the pockets? Yeah, I was like, Bo, get your hands out of your pockets. 50's right behind him. They got cameras around it. You know, the whole thing.

2:59:02Darius Butler:It evolved. Was Taco on stage? I didn't see. Yeah, singing?

2:59:06Pat McAfee:I didn't see Taco on stage, but I will say DeBone had a talk week. DeBone, part of the Mania main event.

2:59:12Darius Butler:Sure.

2:59:12Pat McAfee:Story be whenever he lets Cody in the building like an asshole, and then he's with 50 Cent. Talk does the track thing, then he's on stage with Flowrider. Yep. You know, like it was an interesting week. 50 just acting abnormally normal for who he is at this stage of life. just immediately after he performs, just comes up, just stands. Just stands here, just casually standing here, talking to people, having a couple drinks. I'm like, fucking. Beast. You're just chilling? Yeah. Literally. And he's fucking what? Super genius TV creator. Has the greatest album of all time. One of the best internetters.

2:59:52Darius Butler:Yeah.

2:59:52Pat McAfee:In the history of the internet.

2:59:54Darius Butler:Great businessman. I know he's got booze companies too.

2:59:56Pat McAfee:Incredible businessman, yeah. Just chilling, having a good time. Like, fucking A. You got me senior year of high school, bro. Every day in the club. I'm going in the club there. Now I'm in a club. Damn, you're 40. I feel like a fucking niner. Hey, we're having a good time. We're having a good time here. And it was just like back in the day. All the same songs. Yep. Just pick me up, put me back in the club, actually. That is what it was. But there was numerous discussions, numerous times walking into these rooms about how I shouldn't fucking be here. Okay, this is not this stage of life. I should not be walking in here.

3:00:28Pat McAfee:Then you get in there, the energy's great. It's like, okay, I remember I used to do this a little bit. Here this used to be a good time. Tyrese Halliburton's looking at us going, I'm 26 years old. Yeah, I wanted to be a Bieber cello. That is what Tyrese. It just feels like so different. 50 said, yeah, we was having a ball at Live in Vegas. My man Halliburton pulled up on me. Okay, sick. All right, so I think he does remember that we exist. It was a good time in there. It was a good time. The whole place was having a good time. He has so many hits. Yeah. So like every generation knows. In Vegas, there's a lot of different.

3:01:03Pat McAfee:There's different conventions. CinemaCon was happening there. WrestleMania is happening there. There's some business shit going on. There's some gambling shit going on. So all these people go to all these hotels and then into the clubs. It's like you got to be able to hit. I don't want to say it's like a Super Bowl type thing, but it is like if you can hit every generation, Vegas, you're going to hit, I think. Every song, every person, 85-year-old drunk who's there all the way down to the 21-year-old kid that's celebrating their fucking first time in Vegas. Whole place, just every single time.

3:01:30It was electrifying. Had it on the org score, whole plane ride back. Yeah, 50. Straight fifth.

3:01:36Pat McAfee:Did it today, too, before the show. Perfect. Fucking need, get rich or die trying it. It was a great time. It was a great time. Wish Randy would have won. Yeah. But it seems like everything we thought we needed in that business seems like it's okay.

3:01:53Exactly. Oh, my goodness. That guy. Full time. Talk about being in shape.

3:01:58Pat McAfee:0 % body fat. You'll be seeing my ass all summer. Thank God for that. Business is good, isn't it? Oh, hell yeah. It was a good run. Be your friend. Tell your friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Tomorrow we're experiencing a once-in-a-lifetime thing. We'll be back on Wednesday. Live from the draft setup. I wonder if they know that we're going to be there Wednesday. Who's they? What if they don't? We're all in this thing together. Let's never ever forget that. Always going to be stirring some shit, even whenever we don't mean to. Team on me, thank you all so much for allowing us to do this for a living, actually.

3:02:33Pat McAfee:We're very, very thankful and lucky. Team on me, team on three. One, two, three, team. Goodbye.

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