PMS 2.0 1538 - LIVE from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Peter Schrager, Kendrick Perkins, Adam Schefter, Nick Saban

21:21Could play all five positions. Culture guy, and everyone raves about him.

21:25Pat McAfee:I'm thinking he doesn't have an Instagram. Is that a clear? That's a great question. That's a good question. I wouldn't imagine there's a very vibrant Instagram. I don't think he's doing TikTok dances. I mean, if he started at all five positions, or played at all five positions, and willing to play at all five positions, and he said, I'll play whatever. And he's got short arms, too, so maybe he can't even. True. That's the type of guy we want on team. That's the type of guy we want on team. Deebot has a question for you. Speaking of guys on the team in that mock draft with the Giants, I mean, I'm sure every Giants fan probably hit you up in relation with Reese and then Tyson, you know, 5 and 10.

21:56What are you hearing about Tyson post-pro day? Because I only saw a few clips, but he looks phenomenal the way he's moving. And as far as his health, I think Dr. Child came on and said a lot of teams won't even have a red mark next to him. What's your thoughts on Jordan Tyson? Ben, you have him obviously second after Tate. wide receivers coming off the board. What's your thoughts? What's your hearing on him? He's the most fascinating prospect in this draft. And John Harbaugh is the most fascinating person in this draft. The Giants have a new coach who is making estimated$100 million in their building right now.

22:23And their decision-making process will now be really funneled through Harbaugh's vision, the five and the 10. They like Jordan Tyson. A lot of people in the league like Jordan Tyson. Is five too rich to take a receiver who, Pat, we've talked about it, missed all those games for three different injuries, but is lights out, and if healthy, is viewed as the number one prospect. I believe he could go as early as five to the Giants. I think he can go seven to the Commanders, eight to the Saints, or nine to the Chiefs. In this mock draft, I have the Giants just sitting pretty, holding the line, and getting the guy at 10.

22:59I noted it, I broke the news that he went to dinner with Joe Shane last Thursday night. They went to a place called Uchi in Arizona. I don't know. It's a good spot. It's supposed to be delicious soup.

23:08Pat McAfee:I've learned a lot of places in Arizona. Uchi is the spot. I've been to a Twin Peaks in Arizona. It was lovely. I've been to several places in Arizona. It was lovely. Uchi is the spot. That's it. A Canadian. A Canadian. Ice cold beer here, Paul. Are they still serving ice cold beer? Are they got ice cold? That's an uncanny imitation. That said, there's a lot of love for Tyson in that Giants building. I'm not sure he is going to go at five, especially if Arvel Reese is on the board. Let's talk about Harbaugh having two top 10 picks. So Hembo sent over some stats here about his highest drafted players under John Harbaugh.

23:45Pat McAfee:Six, Ronnie Stanley, 14, 16, 17, 18. Obviously, whenever you think about Harbaugh trying to build a new culture, isn't that a big deal here now with his draft picks and what he does with 5 and 10? Isn't it sending a massive message? His brother drafted Joe Alt first draft pick. Remember, there was a lot of conversation on who he was going to take. And he said, we're taking an offensive line. We are just going to let everybody know that we're taking an offense alignment. Harbaugh going to do that with the Giants as well? I don't see wide receiver at five for Harbaugh. That seems out of character, right?

24:14It does. And then yet you look at what this team is built at. You have neighbors coming off the injury. You don't have Wandale Robinson anymore. Darius Slayton's the number two. Are you going to compete with the Cowboys, the Eagles, and the Commanders with what you have on offense? Or do you go and get the guy if he's the number one wide receiver at a value position? I would add all those players that Harbaugh got, with the exception of Flacco, who was the 18th overall pick and went to Delaware. We're talking Alabama, Notre Dame. You're talking about big program guys who've produced. So all these Ohio State guys, whether it be Caleb Downs, Sonny Stiles, Arvel Reese, Carnell.

24:48Pat McAfee:That feels like a Harbaugh. There is a body of work that they have done in big spots from big programs where when you're looking at a Jordan Tyson and saying, OK, well, Arizona State, he did play well in big games. Maybe that's not the feel at five overall. Yeah. And for Jordan Tyson, Dr. David Chow kind of talked me out of the hole. I'm never trusting that guy in a 17 game season. Him saying his hamstrings back hamstrings get healthy. The shoulder or what was it? He said he plays. Yeah. Collarbone. He plays football like that's going to happen. and hopefully it doesn't happen in the NFL again or whatever, you know, for the way he lands.

25:20Pat McAfee:And then knee ligament stuff. His knee hit, like the highlight hit the internet again this week of his hit in Colorado. When he did, we all would have torn everything. It was a submarine safety right to his knee. Yeah, it was tough there. It's football. It's a low tackle, Stray. Okay. Hey, but, you know, it's 32 teams, so it may be 22 that say, hey, no issues, but 10 that say, no way I'm taking them because. 100%. Getting injured in college, the likelihood of you getting injured in college that have been healthy on the NFL level to some guys, you'll just take them off the board. The other one that's interesting is Jermod McCoy out of Tennessee, who you're going to hear a lot about.

25:57He had the best film out of anybody in the 2024 season. January of 25, had a knee injury, missed the entire college football season. Everyone said, he'll be back, he'll be fine. Combine, okay, I'm not doing much, fine. Pro day, runs a 40, looks good. Drills, they said, not 100%. and you're hearing back from teams that like, whereas Tyson is well on his way, like McCoy still might need some time and they might need to do some more work. So you start, so I got him all the way down to 30. This is a guy who might be the best corner in this draft. And if you look at the 24 film, might be the best corner in the past two drafts, but that might be a value pick for the Dolphins over there at 30.

26:32If teams are just scared to say, okay, he might not be a contributor right away, or we're only going to get this many years out of him. Outstanding kid, outstanding talent, but I have him going 30 in the second corner off the board.

26:41Pat McAfee:Remember, all it takes is one person to like a player. Yep. Owner, GM, owner's wife, owner's kid, owner's husband. I mean, Carly's husband might be really intrigued, but draft night can change. 100%. Owners can literally say, we like this guy, right? No doubt. No, we kind of like the other guy. No. No, we do. I think we like this guy, especially in this where it seems like it's a lot of one of these. You like 31 flavors is what I was told this draft is, like Baskin-Robbins. Like, you like this guy, you got this guy, pick one of them. Like, they're both – Reese and Bailey for the Jets is a fascinating debate.

27:17And to their credit, the Jets are lock and key right now. There's no leaks coming from their building. What about the Jets canceling his top 30? Do you get any feeling from – they canceled David Bailey's top 30 visit. Is that a good thing for them, Bailey going to the Jets? I have him going number two. I've had him going there for a month. And, Pat, we talked about it. Everyone was on Reese. I was on Bailey. And then everyone went back on Reese. I've stayed on Bailey. Very unorthodox that they canceled a top 30 visit.

27:40Pat McAfee:Hey, that's Jets football, baby. Yes, it is. The explanation you will get on that is we met with him extensively at the combine. We met with him extensively at the pro day. We've done FaceTimes with him. Why are we wasting his time? We know the kid. He went from Stanford to Texas Tech. He's as clean as a prospect off the field as you can imagine. He's a wonderful young man. Had 14 and a half sacks. What are we getting from him touring our facility? That said, Arbel Reese went on the thing and did the same stuff and toured the facility. So you take what you want from it. I've got them going, Bailey, but like you just said, I have been wrong before, and things can also change from now until the draft on Thursday night.

28:16Did you, AJ, did you have anything like that happen to you leading up to the draft? Because you're kind of in the same show. These guys are the top five pick. Do you know Packers were kind of in on you? I did not. I met with them at the Combine and everything, but I think I took five or six visits around, and the Packers didn't bring me in. They didn't cancel a visit. I didn't have something scheduled and canceled. They just had no communication, so I really had no clue until they called me 30 seconds before my name came on the team. That's crazy.

28:38Pat McAfee:Where did you think you were going to go? I was hoping to go to Green Bay because it was close. It's the Packers. You know, everyone, I feel like, at least in the Midwest, grew up a Packers fan. I was hoping to go there, but honestly, I was so young and naive and stupid, I didn't care. Did anybody take into the old mill, though, a little bit more than everybody else? You know, I'm talking about Kenny. Would anybody really show you love? Maybe a little over the pants? That you thought? Over the pants, maybe. But Mike Nolan was actually out in San Francisco. He was the head coach. He was awesome.

29:04He was a great dude. I think I said on the show before, he old school wrote me a handwritten note and sent me$10 back because he didn't have any cash when he was trying to tip the guy at the restaurant he took me to in San Fran. So he's like, oh, I'm sorry, you got any money? I got a$10. I gave him a$10. And then to my scrubby little college house, I got old school mail. And it was from Coach Mike Nolan with a$10 bill and saying thank you. I was like, hey, if he wants to take me, I'll be very happy. I'd love to play for that guy.

29:33Pat McAfee:That's amazing. Like, AJ, top five pick is crazy to think about. Draft week was obviously huge for you. And I always ask you the corny sports media question. But, like, how does it feel to be this close to people getting to experience your life that you got to experience all those years ago? Draft week is special. It's a lot of dreams. I mean, I was picked 222. I cried. You know, like, obviously I couldn't imagine a five. And nowadays all the kids are rich, though. So I guess it kind of takes away from it. I don't know. I still think it's a huge deal. It's still a huge deal. It's definitely still a huge deal.

30:00But, I mean, I don't know. I think there's something about being young and naive to the process and not really sure what the whole future holds. What I always struggle with is when people say, like, oh, I'm certified. I made it now, mama. No, I'm like, no, this is just the start. I agree. It's an emotional situation, and it's a dream come true, but I was like, okay, now I have a chance. Now it's time to go to work. If you're drafted, you have not arrived. You've got a chance to go live your dream now.

30:28Pat McAfee:And that's who they're trying to draft, by the way. Yes. That is all. We're trying to draft that guy. Can I share a story about Pat McAfee's draft? I don't know if I've shared on the show, and I think I told you in person once. Tom Telesco is a friend of mine. He was with the Chargers and the Raiders. He worked for the Indianapolis Colts, and he was a scout. Now, Pat, tell me the actual bowl game it was. You guys played North Carolina. Meineke Carr Care Bowl. It was the Meineke Carr Care Bowl. And Tom Telesco, who was a scout for the Indianapolis Colts, said before the game there was a guy booting 60-yard field goals, blasting punts, and he said, who is this guy?

30:59That is the number one punter slash kicker I've ever seen in a pregame workout. You were there for an hour beforehand. And Telesco was like, this guy is amazing. We have to get this guy. Goes back to the Colts organization, and they're putting the boards together, and he's like, that's my pick. McAfee out of West Virginia, that's my pick. They also thought they had a chance that they could also get this guy who was a receiver out of Akron, or Kent State, I'm sorry, a nice player who can do a couple things and was returning kicks. but was really a quarterback. And he was a quarterback that they had their eyes on.

31:33Their plan all along was to draft both Pat McAfee and Julian Edelman. Oh, that would have been great. It comes up onto the clock, and it was a debate in the war room. Do we take the punter kicker or the quarterback that we want to convert to wide receiver? The punter kicker won the argument. Wow, that's a mistake. Pat McAfee is selected by the Indianapolis Colts, and Edelman goes undrafted, and then he's signed to the Patriots as an undrafted free agent.

31:56Pat McAfee:So even more so, I was supposed to go to Kent State. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. So I was committed to Kent State. So I would have been teammates with Julian at that thing. Yeah, I – Y 'all ended up being both one-helmet guys, though. Yeah, the whole time. Wire to wire and both media superstars. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. I'd say that's the case. Euphoria is kind of the feeling that we both got, you know, in – Ain't that right, AJ? That is – you're right. Julian Edelman. I got a chance to see – I am a huge fan of Julian Edelman. Yeah. Peyton or Julian Edeman would have been outrageous. Oh, man. That would have been.

32:29Pat McAfee:I don't know if Tom Telesco, he should have got off the table when he was fighting for me. He had Austin Colley, young Austin Colley. I picked him in the fourth, I think, third round at a BYU. Why was he your comparison? He played in a slot. Oh, got it. There it is. Edeman was my teammate. No other reason. No other reason. No other reason. Austin was he. He was a slot. No. He'd take the top off. Austin take the top off. Fourth to two game. Austin was going deep. Fourth to two game. I was led up across Austin. until they moved Reggie in there to route me up. Who was the Ohio State guy? Gonzalez?

32:57Pat McAfee:He was the Ohio State guy. Politician. Politician now, right? He had a hell of a team. Man, Anthony, Julian Edelman, Austin Colley, and Reggie Wayne. Wow. That would have been. What were you at, Garcon? And Dallas Clark. And Pierre. Oh, my God. We would have scored. They would have scored. I would have been on a different team. Hopefully. Actually, I probably would have been flipping. Had you heard that story before? No. I did not. They traded with the Eagles, I do believe, to get up to pick 222 to make the pick. So I had no idea. I had no contact with the Eagles. So when I got a call, I was watching it in my house.

33:26Pat McAfee:Because I thought I was going to the Cowboys. I was told before draft by Joe DiCamillo, special teams coordinator, say, hey, you're going to be a Cowboy. You're going to be kicking for us down here. I was like, sick. I'm going to be a fucking Dallas Cowboy. We partied hard. I mean, we had a great weekend. We had a lot of fun. And when it came Sunday to get drafted or whatever, we're like, all right, let's settle in. They draft another guy, a kid out of David, out of USC. Oh, the lifter. Yeah, because he did. Jerry loved him, I guess, because he did 225, like 20 sometimes, 28 times or something.

33:55Pat McAfee:So Joe DiCamillis actually told me, like, hey, man, I'm so sorry that happened. And I'm like, well, no other team really. There's your example with the owner, by the way. Yeah, no. Yeah, exactly. Special teams coach only has so much of a voice. No other team was really that interested, though. So it was like. Stood on the table for you. I don't know if I'm going. I think this might be back to school days. And then, yeah, I get the call from Bill Pullian. That was so cool. Hey, we think you can figure out punting, is what he said. I'm like, yeah, man, absolutely. Can't wait to do that. Had to go to Plum High School's football field the next day with Tim McAfee and like, hey, we got to figure out.

34:27Pat McAfee:Is that right? You ever hold before? We got to learn how to punt. Yeah, absolutely. I hold all the time. I kicked four years there. I had never held in my life. But yeah, I lied to my ass off. Very lucky to get in there. They wish they would have taken Julian Edelman, and I think that would have been a smart decision long term, and it would have been nice to be teammates with Jules. But on that note, lucky, luckiest phone call I ever got. And I tried to fuck it up there, too, getting arrested. I tried my best. I was nowhere near good enough at kicking balls when I got arrested to get arrested.

34:54Pat McAfee:And I knew that sitting in that jail cell. This one's over, boys. You know, one of those moments. Because, you know, once Tom Tuleska looked into West Virginia, I had a couple of underages. Yeah, there was a couple of red flags, we'll say. Hey, it was a Tuesday, it looks like. Why? Teammate's birthday. Teammate's birthday. I had to be there for the teammate. Okay, this next one. Wednesday night. Penny pitchers. Yeah. Penny pitchers. I don't know. They ever been to Morgantown. I don't know. But my entire process was very nerve-wracking and very scary. That's why, like, whenever people get drafted in the first round, I'm super pumped for them.

35:30Pat McAfee:But I feel like AJ's draft experience is vastly different than mine. I thought I was going back to school, maybe going back to soccer for a little bit. Really? So getting drafted was, like, a huge anxiety relief, I would say. But to AJ's point, I didn't make the team then. You know, like I'm not on the team at that point. They had four punters on the team. Did they really? Yeah, I think so, yeah. And the special teams coordinator told me directly to my face that he didn't all want me. He wanted the other guy, which was Timmy Thee Mastay. Yeah, Tim Mastay. He still played with the Packers, yeah.

35:55Pat McAfee:Yeah, he was in training camp with us, though. I had to compete with him. He was a part of helping teach me how to punt like a month before training camp. And then he's in there and we're competing with each other. And it's like, I'm so sorry, Tim. I'm so sorry. And I was not good. I should not have made the team. But Bill Pullian had my back, and I'm very grateful for that. Very thankful for that. But the draft is a special time. And, Tregs, we're very thankful that you're joining us. Dude, I can't wait. I predicted four trades in my mock draft. I've got Detroit coming up. I've got the Cowboys coming up.

36:22It's all fun. Enjoy it. Do what you want with it. Just don't tip picks. It's a guide. I do ask you, though, at home, choose your entertainment value wisely. Put the Twitter away. Watch us on all the channels. Watch the draft spectacular. We're going to have an absolute blast tomorrow.

36:38Pat McAfee:Yeah, you're right. I do like you taking your high horse stance though. Can I explain the high horse? Hold on though. It's more against reporters than, than no, I want to let you know though. You've done this for the last few years. Okay. To us, you've actually told me like, I don't like when people tip picks and I go, well, we definitely tip picks because that was kind of where the draft spectacular started. We're all wearing, I was in a Canadian tuxedo. Aaron joined us. Yeah. And we were on the internet. So any information that the internet had, we certainly, But we were like seven picks ahead of the NFL.

37:09Pat McAfee:And we started gaining some steam with this draft spectacular. People actually started watching our shit. So people started getting real mad. These people down here still don't love us. Those people over there. The guy that sits on that stage up there. So then we started getting messages like, hey, please don't be tipping picks. And then you gave me a full speech about it. And you're like, hey, this is not impressive. There's no value. You're not winning a Pulitzer Prize for breaking. tipping picks. If you have a pick on Thursday morning and you're like, I know the Jets are taking David Bailey or I know everybody.

37:42God bless you as a reporter. Go. The NFL gets the picks before you see them on TV. You have to submit them. All 32 teams get the pick. Every coach, every GM. So if you have one source in any building, at the league office, an agent, everyone gets it 90 seconds before the pick is announced. All it takes is to just be told, oh, they're taking this guy. And you're just spoiling it. So if you have the pick, a day earlier, you're a reporter and you want to break it, great. But after the pick is submitted and the pick is submitted and in, there's no valor, there's no awesome honor. Sorry, Shreggs, but shouldn't you be talking to these coaches and people that are snitching, letting these reporters know?

38:21They're trying to crack down. It's hard. There's 32 rooms. There's 1 ,000 people. Think about all the people in all those rooms. Listen, Mike Greenberg will know, Rich Eyes will know. Everyone knows. It goes through. It's a production. So I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to say like, hey, you know, protecting their shield. I don't give a crap about the ratings. I'm saying there's no cool. And then the reaction when you just see it on TV and Goodell says the name and you didn't expect it to be happening. That surprise is cool. That's one of the weird things.

38:48Pat McAfee:Sorry, did you see Mad Mel last year whenever Golden was? How good was that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That still exists. We'll have that. And to be completely clear, I do think Commissioner Goodell loves the draft. Oh, yeah. Like he is very, very, very big fan of the draft. future of the NFL, future generations. This is the baton passing of the NFL almost. And it's become a spectacle. I think he's very proud of what it's become. And I do think they like him being the one. Oh, yeah. We've gotten that message a lot and clear. Okay, now we don't get the same emails that Rich Eisen and Greeny get. I don't know.

39:18Pat McAfee:No, it's not emails. It's not emails. The production of it all, like right before the pick is up, they have to know because they have to have the B-roll ready and all the stuff and they have to get it going and they do. Yeah, Foxy needs the B-roll. Your actual reaction, though, finding out who it is is great, though. Yeah, I enjoy learning how it is. It's a matter that you don't know. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the man who's going to be picking at the end of the NFL draft tomorrow. Maybe. Maybe he trades up the two. He could. Maybe he trades up the one. I don't know if they have the capital to do that, but maybe.

39:43Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. Brandon Bean. Hey, Beanel. Beanel, how you doing, pal? I'm good. Good to see you guys. Everybody good? Yeah, we're fantastic. How are you? Obviously, on this draft, Eve, you have a late pick. But on that note, are we already locked in at this point? Where do teams kind of sit whenever we're the day before the NFL draft? Are you reading Schrager's mock and going, ah, that changes? Like legitimately, how do you guys operate this close to when the draft starts? Yeah, after we see Peter's mock, we kind of rally back up as a group and see like where he ranks, how we rank him.

40:18And so we have a conversation. We don't necessarily take Peter's guy, but we at least want to talk about it before we dismiss it.

40:26Pat McAfee:Well, congratulations. You're taking Peter Woods out of Connecticut. There you go. All right. We'll go ahead and get him on an airplane, get him up the bumper. Okay, so what have you guys been doing? Obviously, that late in the draft, so many things can happen. And obviously, trades take place on draft night and surprise picks happen. Are you just running through all the different situations? Can you take me through the late end of a first round and kind of strategy at this point? Yeah, I mean, you kind of just use what you know, use what you hear. Obviously, you study mocks, not like the actual order, but you know out of enough mocks that Fernando Mendoza is going to be gone, Reese is going to be gone, you name them.

41:07You kind of just write down, all right, I'm just making up a number. These 12 guys are 100 % barring, like I said, a gas mask or something. I don't even know if anybody care about that. But barring something like that happening, these guys are going to be gone before we pick. So after that, you're just then kind of looking at names. You're looking at positions, position value. And then you look around you. Like, what do you think the team's, you know, three, four, five in front of you? What are they going to do? You know, do you want to move up with one of them? Where we have draft capital, we don't have a two.

41:44We traded. We did a two, five swap for DJ Moore. So it's not like we're loaded with a lot of ammo to kind of jump way up the line.

41:53Pat McAfee:You should think about it, though. That would be cool for us. Yeah, you might as well. Just use your 27 picks. Everyone said that draft's going to stink. Yeah. Yeah, I think it should. Maybe the whole fleet of 2027 picks to move right up to two to three so we can get a little electricity to start this entire thing. D-Bud has a question for you, Bean O. Yeah, Bean, I want to ask you about players with injuries. Not specific players in this draft, But how do you balance, I guess, the talent of certain players at certain positions and then the injuries? Like if it's the same injury year after year, if it's just random injuries over three years, how do you balance that as a front office?

42:27Yeah, great question. You know, we do meet with our docs and our medical team. And, you know, you have their talent where they're out on the board. But if they're if it's a longevity issue, you're going, all right, is this a one contract guy? Do I think he can even is this something I'm concerned the guy can even play four to five years? on and then you kind of make it am i taking them all the way off the board or am i moving them down saying hey you know what i wouldn't i had a first round grade on him as a his talent but i'm very concerned if he can make it you know four or five years but maybe i say you know what a fourth round pick he may not make it four or five years either so you're just kind of measuring risk the risk of the talent of the player first the risk of what the medical concerns are you look at past history as well, what players have come out in the draft at this position with something similar?

43:19How did they fare? Or, you know, did it go well? Did it not? So you're just, you're trying to put as much info as you can and put them in the spot that you're most comfortable taking.

43:28Pat McAfee:Tyson is obviously who we're referring to here because he's potential top. McCoy. It happens every year. Corner, I guess. Yeah. Also there, McCoy. But Jordan Tyson is the big convo because he's potentially top 10 pick. Now, on that note, I haven't asked you this, you know, because I don't want you to be put in a spot, but I'm definitely going to do it now that people are watching and we're the day before the draft. How do you feel about this draft class? What do you think is the read on this draft class here as a whole? You don't have to talk about just first round. You can do the entire thing.

43:53Pat McAfee:What do you think about it? Because there's been a lot of shade thrown at this draft class, I think, strictly because there isn't a bunch of quarterbacks. What are your thoughts on this particular draft class? Yeah, I mean, I think it's not as top-heavy. You were alluding to it, like at the top, whether it's quarterback, edge, tackles, things like that. I don't think there's just as many surefire top 10, top 15 guys, but they're still really good players. There's depth at various positions, and you're just trying to see as you look, what positions have depth, what do not? Because if they don't have depth and you feel like that's a need, you're like, man, we better find a way to get that guy early, or we're going to leave the draft without filling that position.

44:33But I think there's guys, Pat, that we can maybe they're not a starter for us, but a guy that can fill adept role. I think there's still plenty of players that will help all 32 teams throughout the draft.

44:48Pat McAfee:I like to hear that. There's been a lot of negativity about this draft class. Con man, New England Patriot, diehard fan has a question for you. Yeah, shout out to your Buffalo Sabres. Good game last night. But back to football real quick. Josh Allen's chugging beers. Maybe you need to look at Ty Simpson. I don't know if that guy's fully committed. That one's tough. Great beer chug, though. Fantastic. Josh, great beer chug. We love what you're doing for sport right there. And congrats on the kid. Yeah, and also people were judging the drum. He nailed the drum. He just wasn't hitting it as hard.

45:23He was going for the beat, not power. That's something you need to look at. It's 1-1, so don't get too ahead of yourself. We'll see. One team is bigger, tougher, more physical on his pad than the other team, but that's fine. B, when it comes to trades in the draft itself, Well, Schrag's had four of them in his mock, one of them being, you know, the Cowboys switching picks with the Chiefs. But for you, you've traded up, you've traded back. You know, Kincaid, you went up and got him. At what point are you starting to talk to GMs? Like, do you think these guys are talking now about, like, hey, can we move up here?

45:56Are you waiting until the draft starts? And if your guy starts to fall a bit, are you calling other teams? Like, what is kind of the strategy when it comes for some of these GMs trying to trade up and trade back? Yeah, I mean, I think you kind of check with how far are you realistic wherever you're at in the first round, how far are you willing to go up knowing, generally speaking, what that draft capital would cost you. And listen, if you're willing to go in the top 10 and you feel like you've got the capital to do it, you're checking in saying, hey, what is your interest? Do you guys think you would have any interest in moving back to our spot?

46:29Is this too far? You kind of want to get a feel. You may be at, I'm just making up, you may be at 20. Well, I know this. The year we took Josh, we were at 21 and 22, and I was calling. No one well ahead of time, hey, we were going to need to get into the top 10. I'm calling teams, and no one was interested in falling all the way back to 21. So I traded a player with Cincinnati and went from 21 to 12, and now teams were interested in moving. We ultimately went from 12 to 7. I don't think I could have got that deal on draft day going all the way from 21 to 7. So you kind of get a feel of if those teams up there, however far you want to go, are they willing to drop back as far as you are, whether it's three spots or whether it's 15 spots?

47:17Pat McAfee:Guys are little deal makers out there. I like what we're doing in real time. Speaking of time, Shrakes has the last question for you. By the way, that Cordy Glenn deal, I think I broke that one. let's ask about the change in the draft because Pat brings up a big point here it used to be 15 minutes then it was 10 minutes but now it's 8 minutes for first round picks meaning you kind of got to be a little quicker and a little more nimble what does that do to a GM and how does that affect you when you're on the clock? listen, at the end of the day it's one round that you're doing it we speed it up to 7 minutes in the second round you're prepared, we've been preparing for all this so I don't at the end of the day, I know it's a TV production and all that.

47:58I don't see any issue with it. I think you're going to kind of know ahead. Like if you're wanting to trade up or if I'm sitting at 26 and I think I want to trade back, like I'm lining, you know, for the most part those up. It doesn't mean when you get on the clock that you don't check with a couple teams before you either make a pick or take another move. You have to have your ducks in a row. You can't sit there for five minutes before you start that process of making a trade. But I don't see it impacting it really, Shregs.

48:30Pat McAfee:You're going to win a Super Bowl or not, dude? I'm sick of it. That's the goal, buddy. That's the plan. That's the plan. Too good at golf. You might have to get worse at golf. Yeah, that would help. I don't know how it's going to go. I don't know how it's going to go. You're so good at golf. So good at golf. Not really. Not really. Yes, he is. Foxy, will you speak for the congregation here, Foxy? Yeah, Brandon Bean's incredible at golf. He will hit a four iron straight down the middle, driver straight down the middle. He will chip it on close, and he will make that putt. He is absolutely nails.

49:00Pat McAfee:Yeah, he's been doing it since he's like a kid, just ride the bike to the golf course. Let me play like a 90-year-old, and then he starts smoking the ball. He's a player. These guys are real stick. And tomorrow night, we'll see if he can get one pick, maybe two picks closer to that Lombardi. We appreciate the hell out of you, Bino. Good luck tomorrow. All right, buddy. Thanks, guys. See you. Thank you, Bean. Bino. Let's pivot away from the draft. Let's head to the playoffs. Not the NHL because it's tough to talk about that without having to bring up that the Flyers are just fucking dismantling the Pittsburgh Penguins, and I don't like it.

49:32Pat McAfee:Plenty of time. We're on the glass watching that ass get kicked the other night. And I'll say it, the Flyers are bigger, stronger, faster, more talented. That's normally a pretty good little recipe to win. Yeah, that stuff matters. That's tough. Sid can't just play all five positions. I wish. I wish he could. People aren't happy with Tanger on the internet. No, they're not. They need to relax. Tanger's done a lot of good. He is the least of our worries. Nah, he is one of our worst. But he is not the least of our worries. He'll get it figured out. Let's go to the NBA. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a dude who obviously we all love, 15-year NBA veteran, NBA champ, stud, Kendrick Park.

50:07Pat McAfee:Where are you? Where are you? You see it? Hey, I'm in the NY. Pat, how's the neck doing, man? I see the neck brace off. How's the neck doing? Everything good? I got my scans back, my C2, C3, C4, and C5, all 100 % somehow. It might have been just in my mind that I maybe had a broken neck, but I'm happy that the doctors here in Pittsburgh, UPMC, took care of me. And thank you for checking in on me, Perk. I was in a bad spot out there. I saw you. You was in the club with 50. You wasn't too bad. You wasn't too bad. You was in the club with 50. You wasn't too bad. 50, Cameron, Tony Yayo, Unc Murder was in there.

50:48Pat McAfee:I mean, we were doing it. It was 2005 in there. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Bam, bam. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I mean, it felt like I was 18 years old again. Anyways, let's talk about the NBA. We only got six minutes. It's on us. Thank you for joining us. Feels like the NBA had a big bounce back in game two of all the different series. Who caught your eye this weekend? What do we need to potentially change our opinions on in your eyes? Oh, you know what? Man, I would say I got to go towards the Lakers. Okay. Ron's going to win another one. No, no, no, no. We'll not go that far.

51:32It's more so an indictment on the Houston Rockets and how horrible they are. When you think about the position that they're in, now you get back Kevin Durant, and last night was a complete embarrassment. it. Marcus Smart showed up. Luke Kennard is looking like the second coming of Larry Bird for some reason in this series. And you have Jackson Hayes, who numbers didn't pop out box score wise, is out outplayed after Shang-Goon. And when I say outplayed him, Jackson Hayes was he did a lot of little things that was like winning plays yesterday. And it raised of concern and put a bigger scope on the Houston Rockets and how disconnected and dysfunctional they really are.

52:25Pat McAfee:Okay, so let's talk about your comment about LeBron at the beginning of this series. I know you're turning it on to the Houston Rockets being ass and everything like that, but at one point you said, if LeBron's able to do this at this stage of life, this first series against the Rockets, goat conversations over. We've had what seemingly is 15 guys who play in the NBA are all from Chicago. They have all come on our show. And they just biased opinions. The conversation is over. 41 years old doing what he's doing. Worthy of the respect that he's getting all across the board right now. It feels like people are finally feeling okay giving him a little bit of love for what he's doing right now.

53:01And rightfully so. Look, Bron and I battled in AAU, played on the same team with the Oakland Soldiers. McDonald's All-Americans together, drafted together. He is still going, and I'm in the next chapter of my fucking life. Okay? He is still going, and I'm in the next chapter of my fucking life and doing it at the highest level. Can you explain to me how a 41-year-old guy that's his 23rd year in the NBA is still looking like a top five player in the NBA? That's what he looked like last night. Now I get it. My guy Q Rich, he was on here a week ago. And I know how Q Rich stands. You could just go look at his IG page when he posts all his shipments of Jordans that he get in every month.

53:53And you know he going to stand 10 toes down with MJ. My guy Shump was on here. He's from the Chi. We know he going to stand 10 toes. Although he won a championship with LeBron, which is kind of crazy to me. But listen, what Brian is doing right now, you just have to – I sat back in my hotel room last night and I was just like, man, this is unreal. When he rejected that screening role and went down the lane, this play right here and rocked the cradle, he didn't have to show off like that. But he did that for the neighborhood. He did that for the neighborhood.

54:30Pat McAfee:Yeah, the Oakland soldiers, you know, back there doing it. Okay, we got like two minutes left on this. We have to hit something other than Braun. Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah, I'll go to the East. We got the betting favorite Celtics. They took an L to the Sixers yesterday. VJ Edcombe stepped up. Maxie stepped up. Are you concerned with the Celtics at all coming out of the East now? Absolutely not. Hell no. You know why? Because, listen, the Celtics shot 13 for 50 from the three-point lines. They're not going to shoot that poorly again. And look, Vijay Eshcone, he cut them everywhere but loose. He had the game of his life.

55:0830 points, 10 rebounds in the garden. That's a hard thing to do. The one thing I will not do is question the Joe Mazzula system. Amen. Like, this is their offensive system. The one thing I will not question is Derek White and Jalen Brown. They will lock in, and they will be better defenders in game three. So Tyrese Maxey, VJ Edgecone, Paul George, they did their thing. They stole the game on the road, but I'm not concerned about the Celtics. They had the most championship experience in the East.

55:42Pat McAfee:Huge day yesterday for the underdogs in the NBA, which has been abnormal this season. Maybe the playoffs, just like we thought, are heating up. Shout out to the NBA. Shout out to you, Perk. We wish you were here in Pittsburgh maybe next time. And thank you for everything, brother. All you got to do is send the invite, Pat. I don't want to hear that shit, Perk. I'm sick of that. I'm sick of you talking like that. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Kendrick Perkins. Kendrick Perkins. He should be here. He's a big NFL draft guy. Nah, just him around. Yeah, just good vibes. Now, he's a slow mover, though.

56:15Pat McAfee:He does not walk fast. No, he doesn't. Those old school basketball guys, those knees. We're slow talking. We're slow moving. But the vibes through the roof. Immaculate. Love, Perk. Love that he's back. Shout out to the NBA. Shout out to you, Schrags, too, brother. I loved it. Guys, cannot wait for tonight and tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Tonight's a big one. Awesome night tonight. Hey, you're going to have to get through some adversity to get to the building. But it's worth it. Big time. I'm willing to navigate. It's right over there. We appreciate it. It's right there. Cayman Science Center is on the other side.

56:45Pat McAfee:It's hard to get in here, though. They got everything shut down. Hosting an event there. You know, event says people are coming. Turns out they want no people coming. We'll make it happen. It's football time. We're back on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice.

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58:16Pat McAfee:Football is spectacular. And obviously the four men on this stage that chanted the sport that has changed all of our lives. It will change the trajectory of families tomorrow night here as Roger Goodell will announce 32 new NFL superstars. football is the greatest sport on earth and this is a massive celebration of the city that embodies it as a whole the football town which is a NFL films you're right sitting on the wire yep don't mind me this guy's playing bongos listen the wire's stuck on the microphone carry on Pat

58:59there we go there we go okay Are you good? I think so.

59:04Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN. Happy Shefty. That's an entrance. That's an entrance, man. Shefty, will you break this news? Tomorrow, 7 p.m., to start the draft spectacular, the seventh annual draft spectacular, we will be running The Football Town, which is the movie that NFL Films piece together alongside Lionsgate film, I do believe. I think Skydance was probably involved. Pittsburgh Steelers were involved. and I was the one that was chosen somehow to voice it over in honor of a lifetime. I've only seen the first five minutes of it. Oh, that's it? I'll be watching all of it tonight at the Rangos Giant Theater that the Cayman Science Center has.

59:43Pat McAfee:This movie was made for the Science Center, literally for the theater that we're going to. It's a massive screen, so we're having a little event tonight to watch it. It'll be my first time seeing it. Pretty emotional when I saw the first five minutes. They sent me over as a teaser. The fact that I'm a part of it was a pretty emotional day for me, actually, because there's so many people from Pittsburgh that could obviously be the voice of this particular thing. Tell us the story of Pittsburgh. Tell us the story of our people. Tell us the story of everything that these hills are about. And we'll be playing it live tomorrow to kick our Thursday to – oh, yeah, it is tomorrow.

1:00:15Pat McAfee:Chase, it's already Wednesday. I know. That'll be tomorrow to kick off the draft spectacular at 7 p.m. So we're very thankful for the opportunity. We'll be watching it tonight. And, yeah, I think it'll be a good little precursor for what's about to come here in Pittsburgh as the next generation of draft picks get announced. Tone Diggs is here. Ty Schmidt is here. A.J. Hawk is here. Darius J. Butler is here. Schefter, that's who you'll be speaking to on this particular stage. Let's talk about the draft. Let's talk about some moves that are potentially being made. Right now, what are you doing with your life?

1:00:43Pat McAfee:We just talked to Beano. Beano's going through some mocks, trying to figure out what he could potentially have to do. Schrager just launched his last mock into the sun this morning at ESPN.com, so he's getting a lot of follow-up there. What are you doing on this day, And what do you think we need to keep an eye out for? You know, it was about this very time last year I got a call that the trade between the Browns and Jaguars was being discussed. It was like literally at this time. Somebody called me like, you free at about 1230? I'm like, yeah, I'm free. And you don't forget these things. And every year there are events that happen that you're not expecting.

1:01:15It could be a video of a prospect that's unveiled with a gas mask. It could be a trade that comes down that you get wind of in the works 24 hours in advance. It could be that we're trying to figure out where a certain quarterback is going to go. And lo and behold, he goes in the fifth round with the 144th overall selection to the interest of everybody. You never know exactly what is going to turn into the story of that draft. And that is waiting to be written in this particular draft. We just don't know what it's going to be yet. And so, honestly, I've made some calls, calls coming in. We'll see where it goes.

1:01:54We're just waiting to see which is the issue that takes off, where there won't be, say, water under the bridge, like Connor likes to say. There'll be a live issue.

1:02:05Pat McAfee:You can turn your mic on, Connor. I think you do have one over there. I don't know who is in control of that particular microphone, but only so many seats. One of the boys has to get up. Connor's over in the corner, has a headset on, can chirp in at any time. I do believe if they were to turn it on. Shut up, Shefty. There it is. Thank you. He passed out on Steel Curtain yesterday. We have it on camera. He's actually dead body on a roller coaster yesterday. We're happy he's okay, actually. It's kind of a modern miracle that he's here, to be honest. That's Kennywood, baby. They deliver. That is Kennywood football and always delivers, just like you do, Shefter.

1:02:35Pat McAfee:Okay, so you're saying the pen is yet to write the story of this particular draft. Correct. Is there any inklings on what it could be? Could it be a team trading a player? Like A.J. Brown, I know it's not until June 1st, but is there any other potential trades that are maybe being cooked that we could foresee? Are there any players that maybe will be on the move as somebody, much like Bino just brought up, he was at 21. He had to move up to 12 to be able to move up to 7 to get Josh Allen, so he had to trade a player during the draft. A lot of people seemingly want to trade back. Do we have any superstar trades potentially on the horizon on draft day or any big-time announcements on draft day ahead?

1:03:08Well, that's what we're waiting to see.

1:03:10Pat McAfee:We have no idea. Right now, you can't say there's some huge event that is waiting to unfold here. Oh, no. No. We have the draft. We have the draft. And then there are all the things that come from that, off that. I don't know what that's going to be at. And I'm sure there's going to be trades this weekend. Like, could Kayshawn Booty get traded? That could happen this weekend. Could Keon Coleman get traded this weekend? That could happen. There's always veterans that could be traded in a weekend like this. Always. but those wouldn't qualify as the storylines that steal the weekend, right? It's going to be a certain player.

1:03:49It's going to be a certain team. It's going to be a move somebody makes. That's what I'm talking about. Now, I know we've talked a lot about the Dallas Cowboys coming up. I think they could wind up coming up, but it's cost prohibitive to come up to a spot like three. Yeah. I just don't know. I don't know. And Dresser, what are they coming up for? I think there will be two guys that they come up for, Arvel Reese, Sonny Stiles. I think those would be the two guys that would interest that franchise. Are they going to be around those players long enough for them to be able to make a move to come up high enough?

1:04:20Say at six. Say at six.

1:04:23Pat McAfee:And Cowboys have done that. 2012, they trade from 14 to 6 to get D.B. Morris-Clayborn out of LSU. So maybe the Cowboys make a similar move tomorrow night. That would be the storyline if Jerry Jones was wheeling and dealing. But for that to happen, you'd have to have Styles and Reese last till six. I don't know that that's going to happen. How about Caleb Downs? Caleb Downs, I think, will be a top 10 pick. Does he go five, as high as five, to the Giants? Does he go as low as 10 to the Giants? I could see. Sounds like Caleb. Giant? Okay. They want Styles at five. They want Downs at 10. Depending on how the draft goes, I think if Love goes three, if Arizona can't trade out, if Arizona can't trade out and Arizona does go Love at three, then Tennessee's sitting there.

1:05:17I think Stiles is a logical pick there at four. So you see him go four, and then Reese is there at five. And then that's interesting. I have a question off of that. That's what Shregs had mocked this morning. Does that mean Thibodeau is on the trade block then if that happens? I think if they get Reese in the draft, I think they'd be listening. Okay. I think they'd be listening. Shefty, what about the Chiefs? I know we're not used to them. They have two first-rounders. Is there a chance that they try to make a splash and jump up there for somebody? I had that conversation with a few people yesterday.

1:05:48They have looked as much at going back in the draft as they have going up in the draft. Even though they right now have 9-29, they have made calls and gotten calls from teams behind them. that have just checked in about coming up, and they don't know how it's going to go yet. Right? Like, which team would it be that would come up? I think we're going to get a lot of activity in the second half of the draft. There are a lot of teams willing to move out.

1:06:19Pat McAfee:Second half of the first round? Because they don't think there's 32 first rounders. And everybody's got their own desire. Everybody's got their own desire. Oh, there's a text. That could be the story of the weekend. It was 80-re. No? I don't know. I'm trying to see what this is. We've got something going on here. Let's see. It's just disgusting. Something terrible.

1:06:39There's going to be a whole run of offensive linemen that come off the board tomorrow night. A whole run. What are you looking at me for? I like that, Pat.

1:06:47Pat McAfee:I just looked over your shoulder. I was looking at your phone. Over under seven and a half. I feel like I saw a lot of things. Seven and a half? I'd take the over on offensive linemen. I would as well. Over. There's seven tackles plus Vega from Penn State. How about corners? What's the over under? Four and a half. Four and a half? That's interesting. That's very – Everybody thinks that's real high. But the under is minus 700. Oh, okay. Why don't they move the line? I assume they think four is going to go, so they can't make it three and a half because then they would just have to make the over of three and a half minus – Are we getting the crown there?

1:07:18Because we're of age. Colton Hood, I think. Yes. I think he'll go. Mansoor Delaney. Mansoor Delaney, no. I think that DeMond – McCoy. Jermond McCoy. Jermond McCoy. Chris Johnson? Chris Johnson has a chance. Who would be the fifth? When they say four and a half, who's the fifth corner? Pounds?

1:07:39Pat McAfee:Ponds. Ponds? Ponds does pond people. Like if I saw Ponds play, I'd say, as I say, Ponds. I'm blanking on it right now. Chris Johnson. Oh, maybe on Terrell or something like that, but he's kind of falling back. Jennifer, why don't you figure you're the one that's supposed to be giving these answers. I think offensive line will be the most drafted position in the first run. Boy, that's a lot of cornerbacks, four and a half. That's why it's under minus 700. That seems high to me, a little high. But it's such a coveted position. It is a coveted position. Quarterback coveted position as well. Everybody's telling me Ty Simpson's a Cardinal.

1:08:22It wouldn't be a shock if that happened. I think going in, that's the most likely scenario. But I will say this. last year we would have thought that Shador Sanders going to the Pittsburgh Steelers was probably the most likely scenario of the New York Giants. It didn't happen that way. So, you know, teams aren't showing their full cards to you. You don't know exactly. There's a lot of noise in the echo chamber that we're all hearing. People are hearing the same things. And what I love is Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, the moment of truth. We get to see if the Cardinals really are into Ty Simpson.

1:08:54Like a lot of people think they would have some level of interest.

1:08:56Pat McAfee:You are the echo chamber though, aren't you? You and Schrags and Daniel Jeremiah and Rappaport teammate. Yeah, Rappaport. Palacero. Palacero. You guys are kind of the echo chamber. We've asked you about this every single year. Like, how do you know you're not getting played just for draft week? And you go, I think I built up relationships with you people that they won't just lie to me. Isn't that kind of the case though? Because everybody just assumes that the game of the draft now, because everybody kind of understands draft a little bit more, is that people are working. and the way they're working is getting messages and narratives out and everything like that.

1:09:27Pat McAfee:And that would be through you. You have to really monitor that, don't you? I mean, we're talking about careers and public stories. Again, I feel like... You say, I don't want to have to go ahead and tell you about my credibility. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not. I just feel like people are going to talk to you and the things that they want to hold close to the vest, they just won't share. They're just not going to tell you sometimes. But they're not going to lie. I don't think they're lying. What about CJ Stratton? What was that score? S2 test It kind of disappeared a bit It has stopped being talked about But those things that kind of leak Like the negative stuff If it's coming to you And you picking and choosing on what you want to break Do you have to think like This might be a ploy right here to potentially get something Does that make sense?

1:10:10I know exactly what you're saying I think you have to be selective There's a lot of stuff you hear all the time About players And I would say almost always I don't use the majority of it. I just kind of hold on to it because I always feel like these players should go where they're going to go. And then after, like I remember as an example, Shaq Lawson, Rex was coached. I think Rex was coached there. I knew he needed shoulder surgery. They drafted him. I popped on the camera. I'm like, hey, they drafted a guy, great talent, has a chance for great. He's going to need shoulder surgery here at some point in the near future.

1:10:46And they asked Rex about it. And he's like, you don't need no shoulder surgery. A week later, he had the shoulder surgery. I mean, I want these young men who have worked so hard for this moment to go where they are. So if you're hearing things, and there are a lot of things you hear, a lot of different people, I don't, generally speaking, don't use that stuff.

1:11:05Pat McAfee:I appreciate that. I think as a former player, I appreciate that mightily. Because if the team didn't find that out, why are you, ESPN Insider, being the one doing the research? This is on you. Is it your job now precedent every single year that you have to tell everybody about everything? I mean, that would be a weird precedent. I like that you did that for him. Thank you for that. Now, did you do that for Alec Pierce on our free agent friend? Yeah, I knew that he needed ankle surgery. Did you really? But I didn't want to do anything to damage his earning power with Indianapolis. Of course. And so he left it alone.

1:11:36You actually knew he needed that ankle surgery? I might have known.

1:11:43Pat McAfee:You let me do a full dance, didn't I? Open the show. I did a full song and dance. He's going to be fine. Did you tell me? Three months? Did you tell me? Did you tell me that you were coming on to use that information right away with the contract? I did. I did. Oh, you did? Okay. Touche. Other times, I put the eyeballs out. I think I make it very clear whenever I know something's happening. Okay? So, maybe turn on the noties, pal. Okay? For those particular tweets. As you potentially. Oh, we have something here. Oh, oh, oh. Send it out. Send a tweet. Oh, boy. Stephen Jones just announced that they will make George Pickens plan under the tag this year and that there'll be no long-term deal.

1:12:25That's not good. Oh, here. By the way, here we go. There's one storyline for the week. That's a big one. Okay, because if they're going to trade and move. Could they trade him, though? Is he a trade candidate during the draft?

1:12:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, if they want to move up high, right? No, no. Hold on. You can't be that happy. You can't trade George Pickens without him signing the franchise tender. and he's not going to sign it unless he agrees to go somewhere else that would potentially reward him. So he could definitely get traded. So they've got eight minutes to figure that out somewhere. Why wouldn't he sign it? If he's pissed at them for not giving an extension, he could easily sign that and say, yeah, ship me out of here. I want a long-term deal from someone else. Who's his agent? Mula Getz is his agent? He'll get a deal before he gets signed or traded.

1:13:05Pat McAfee:Yep. George Pickens' bank account is about to be gigantic. And this news right here just kind of certified that for me because now there's an opportunity for there to be a little competition for his thing. Congrats to George Pickens. Okay? Hell yeah. Maybe. Huh? Maybe. I mean, that says you're playing under the tag. And Mooligata's his agent. Yeah. So I will tell you, he is not playing under a tag. That's kind of what I'm saying. He might not play football this year. Oh, he'll play football. He'll play football somewhere, and I think he's going to get paid somewhere, probably if I had to guess.

1:13:40Pat McAfee:And I think Jerry, who says, we got Maka. He's one football player. We trade him. We're able to get more football players. You see? That's how Jerry does it. They got Maka. We don't. We tied. Yeah. Hey, I don't know how much more I got to say. He'll do that with George, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, he'll do it with George. You don't want to play with franchise tag? That's a lot of money. You don't want to be a cowboy? They'll trade him. Will they not? I'm going to say this to you right now also. Okay, yeah. Your journalism here. We are punditry right now. I feel like George getting traded to somewhere else.

1:14:11Pat McAfee:Mooligeth is the agent. There's no way he's going to play under a franchise tag. So there's no way he's going to take a year off. So that sounds like George. They traded a third round pick for him last year. And there was not a lot of teams out there that were willing to compensate the Steelers. So what can you get back for a player that right now isn't going to be signed to a long-term deal? Again, this just became the first interesting storyline of draft week right here. as we're sitting here with Stephen Jones saying that. And so that brings back up the possibility. If we go back to a draft about five years ago, Dallas Cowboys had other needs.

1:14:46C.D. Lamb was sitting there. They had at that time Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup playing wide receiver, and they took C.D. Lamb because he was the best player on the board. They'd love to go defensive players, but I will say this. I think they'll like Jordan Tyson too, and if Jordan Tyson were to make it to 12, that would be an interesting decision for the Dallas Cowboys to have to make. Yeah, especially because for top 30 visits, they brought in about every defensive player they could that could potentially go in the first round.

1:15:10Pat McAfee:George Pickens can get open, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. George Pickens potentially on the move with the news that he is going to be asked to play under the franchise tag, which we just assume would not happen. By the way, and I love this. This is one of my favorite things about doing this show. NFL executive texts me right now. Must be watching this show. I would bet my life savings on under four and a half quarterbacks. Yes. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. One of them I thought trading Stooks, so I know you are a big fan of Shafty. Maybe he sneaks in the last one. But, yeah, everyone's thinking under four.

1:15:43Pat McAfee:I guess President Bill Clinton showed up at the Cowboys pre-draft press conference. Really? I guess he just popped his head in as they were kind of doing their thing. From my understanding, this is what Ari Mirov has tweeted. Yep. There he is. What the hell is he doing there? President Bush was at the Buccos game last night. He was. Yeah, I saw that. The Rangers? Yeah. Yeah, I believe I was watching that. President Clinton just walked into the Dallas Cowboys pre-draft press conference. I wonder if he's making any decisions in there. A lot of news. A lot of news happening over there. Okay, let's ask some more information out of the man who has all the information.

1:16:18Pat McAfee:D-Butt has a question for you, Chef. I just want to ask you, you talked about the Cleveland-Jacksonville trade kind of brewing up at this point in time. How much has it changed for you and how the teams operate behind the scenes leading up to the draft as far as action, trades, information? How much has it changed, let's say, in the last 20 years in 2006 and now 2006? I think that teams have begun to operate knowing that as soon as something's in place, they know that it's not going to be long before it's out there. And part of these discussions is figuring out how you're going to handle the fallout once it gets out and how it's going to get out and when it's going to get out.

1:16:53So I just think with all the attention, that may be the only change. And there are more trades than ever before. By the way, I think there have been so far this year since the start of the new league year when we were in Indianapolis, 23 trades. More trades this year from the start of the league year until now than ever before. So I think teams are more willing to make trades. There's more people are used to making these trades. They're preparing for these trades. And the fallout that comes along with them, it's just a much busier time.

1:17:21Pat McAfee:How do you think Goodell is going to do tomorrow? Got any tidbits on how he's going to speak? Is he really flowing right now? Chest bumps and good daps, you think, with all the players? You know, I'll say this. This morning, I could not sleep. I was just kind of wired. Yeah. Of course. Same. Went to the gym about 5.15 this morning. No big deal. No big deal. 5.30. There's only one guy in there. 2.25. Actually, it was a couple guys. 2.25. A.J. Hawk. 27, I heard. Roger Goodell. Okay. Wow. In there. Oh, different hotel. Did you spot him on the bench? A.J. was in there at 4.30. Yeah, they don't put us.

1:17:48He was done. AJ was done. He had come and gone.

1:17:50Pat McAfee:They don't put us at your guys' hotel. That's what I've learned over the last couple trips. Yeah, definitely not. Let's keep them in it. Keep them in it. Oh, Rodgers at this hotel? Let's put them in that one. It sounds like, I think we're in the opposite hotel normally of where. Yeah. ESPN. Royalty. Yeah, there you go. As well. Smart decision. Smart decision, by the way. I didn't know that the hotel that we're staying in existed. I should have been staying in that hotel since the day I left Pittsburgh. It's a good hotel. I was staying in Super 8's and shit. I was staying in shitty hotels. That's kind of on you.

1:18:24Pat McAfee:I mean, there's a Westin down here I stayed in once or twice. This hotel, we're in history. We're in a place. Yeah, I know where you are. Beautiful. My senior prom was there. Wow. How'd it go? Not great. Building was immaculate. Yeah. It is. I've learned a lot about Pittsburgh history that I didn't know before coming here for this draft week. And then also with the football town, which you're coming to. Yeah, I am. Can't wait to see you there. Hopefully by then you have a little more information. Hopefully. Under four and a half cornerbacks. Yeah. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter.

1:19:00Pat McAfee:Thank you. Thank you.

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1:20:07Pat McAfee:It was a crazy ride there looking over his shoulder. Thanks, Shefty. You know what I mean? I bet. Thanks, Shefty. What'd you see? Yeah, what was it? just like before he opened, he's trying to open up another conversation right now. Just knock Coach Saban's bottle out of his hand. Bonked heads almost. Yeah, he did. Absolutely. In this entire thing. I looked at the convos before he went into the, so I can only see the first sentence of a lot of different convos. I'm like, wow, is that what it's like? He's wheeling and dealing. Just the amount of people that are just kind of getting. And he's got to have name, affiliation.

1:20:39Team. You know, he's got to do so many.

1:20:41Pat McAfee:And the first sentence, it felt like it was a lot of shefty outs. Yeah. Okay. It felt like there was a lot of lines in the water. You know, how we doing? How we doing? A lot of those types of things. But he's definitely working. He's a big game hunt right now. Yeah. And right now he's asking Coach, say, do you hear anything about that? Which is what we're about to do in a matter of seconds. Yeah, Connor's listening in literally right there next to him. Yep. Connor boots on the ground in the conversation between Schefter and ladies and gentlemen joining us now is a man who's considered the greatest of all time in college football.

1:21:12Pat McAfee:When it's all said and done, he might be considered the greatest television personality of all time as well. He sells Benzos. He sells... Lambos. Lambos. Benzos. Ferraris, probably. He's maybe the most sought-after speaker in the entire United States of America. He owns the Nashville Predators. What? Ladies and gentlemen, an icon of a man. Somebody that we are lucky enough to call a friend of the program. He looks lean. He looks mean. He looks tan. He's the man on college game days. Draft coverage on ABC. Schefter is relentless. Oh, yeah. This conversation doesn't look like it's anywhere close to over.

1:22:01Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen,

1:22:06Pat McAfee:Nick Saban.

1:22:12Pat McAfee:There he is. You're the man. You got some drunkos over here. Lads, lads, lads, lads. Good to see you guys. They're ready. They're doing it already. I love it. It's a draft. Hey, here, let me fix that. Yeah, Shefty had the same issue. Boom. All right. All right. All right. All right. Hey, Shefty was pretty relentless right there. Wait till you hear the intro I just gave you. I had to fill and fill and fill and fill because he was killing you over there. Was he asking about Ty Simpson? Because I want to ask about Ty Simpson. Ty Simpson, number two quarterback in the draft, everybody thinks. Everybody thinks he's going to Arizona, but they're saying he's not worth a high pick, so they think they're going to come in the tail end of the draft.

1:23:00Pat McAfee:How do you feel about Ty Simpson? How do you feel about kind of this entire draft process for him? And what do you think stands out for him that maybe says he is going to be a great Sunday guy? Well, I think Ty Simpson is a guy that didn't play as much in college as a lot of these quarterbacks as they develop. So he's only played, what, 15 games or whatever. And I think maturity would be the word that I would say is important in the development of his game. I think he can throw it well enough. I think he's athletic enough. Decision-making, processing, drifting in the pocket. I mean, things that you can improve on with experience.

1:23:35Because maturity is nothing more than making the right decision at the right time. And that comes with experience and repetition. He doesn't have enough of that, but he will get it. And I think be a very good player. But he needs to go someplace where he has a chance to develop and not play right away. That's just my opinion.

1:23:55Pat McAfee:But let's talk about every quarterback maybe needing that. And the greats in the past, outside of Peyton. Peyton has the rookie interception record, but Tom was behind somebody. Aaron's behind somebody. Was Drew Brees? He – No, Phil was – I don't know. Whatever the case. There's a lot of case studies that say if you're able to watch somebody do it, you'll be able to get better. But there's also a conversation about he needs reps. He needs reps. Like Anthony Richardson, whenever he got drafted number four overall to the Indianapolis Colts, there was a lot of talk about him never playing football.

1:24:25Pat McAfee:Like really never playing football before. We've seen the highlights. That's all he's played football. So they're talking about, well, he needs to mature. Maybe he needs to watch somebody. But then he also needed reps. It's kind of a, I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is. I genuinely don't know what the right answer is. You would know better than me. But I like somebody seeing it first before they get to go do it. Now that turns to Fernando Mendoza. Okay. Tell me about him going to Las Vegas and seemingly going to start after Kirk Cousins gets in there. Do you think that is a sustainable style of play the way Fernando plays?

1:24:59Pat McAfee:Everybody talks about the option shit that he did in RPO stuff in college. For some reason, it hasn't been like, hey, this guy is a guy. Convent, what are your thoughts on Fernando? Yeah, well, I'm big on making comparisons. So you go through the scenarios where quarterbacks got to sit behind somebody, and I think the biggest failure rate in the NFL is because quarterbacks play before they should. But if you look at the three guys two years ago, Caleb makes an impact in Chicago. Guy makes a big impact in Washington. Guy makes a big impact. Greg makes a big impact in New England. So those guys played pretty much right away and improved dramatically quickly.

1:25:38But a lot of failures in the NFL play before they're ready at the position, lose their confidence, and then go to pot. It's over. So I do think if you were going to compare Fernando, you would say he fits more into comparing them to those three guys we just talked about than he does to some of these other guys. He would be in the conversation if he was in that draft. And I agree with you on the RPOs, but the guy is sneaky athletic, doesn't look athletic, but probably better than he is. He's accurate throwing the ball. He's smart. He's a good decision maker, and he's accurate. So those things are really, really important in my opinion, and I think he's got the right mindset.

1:26:20And he's improved a lot through his college career. So I'm not saying he won't have some bumps in the road. But I also think that he could be pretty damn good.

1:26:32Pat McAfee:He has beers with the boys, too. I think that's a big deal. No question. I genuinely think that is a big deal. And I assume a Cali maybe wasn't doing that because he talked about how he had to grow as a leader and everything like that. Beers with the boys is a huge sign of success in my eyes, especially if you're able to perform on the field. And he's tough as shit. It feels like he is wildly tough. I like Fernando a lot. I like him a lot. But there seemingly hasn't been like a parade for him coming in here as the number one overall pick outside of the Raiders organization. Yeah, well, but I also think that that quarterback position is always going to get pushed up if there's a good one.

1:27:05So you could always kind of make an argument maybe for that. But I'm with you on the leadership part of it because I think quarterback is the position that's hardest to play if you don't have good players around you. So if you're not a quarterback that takes responsibility for being a leader to impact the other players on your team, then I think you're hurting yourself.

1:27:28Pat McAfee:And I'm so far from my home. You hear it, Coach? You hear that? Yeah. Oh, mama, I can hear you crying. Oh, they're going to play that when they're on the clock, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah, that's supposed to be the plan. Oh, so you know. Oh, you probably got a little run-through on how this draft's going to. Are you excited for the game day draft? How prepped are you? You prep. You overprep for everything. So whenever there is potentially. How many days are you doing this? How many days are you doing the draft? First and second. Okay. So that's technically what? 64 picks. Quick math? No. Second has how many picks?

1:28:02Pat McAfee:There's three rounds. Second, third. Three rounds. First. I knew that. I'm doing a second and third picks on Friday. I knew that. Obviously, I knew that. Okay. So that's what? 96 picks total. You did research for what? 500 guys. How do you feel? I probably looked at 150 guys. And I'd look at them just like if I was at the Dolphins or the Browns or whatever. And I still have the sheet that we used to evaluate them on, critical factors and all that stuff, and put all the information on one sheet, try to condense it. But there's always guys that pop up that you didn't do. I'm bummed out that our draft spectacular happens at the same time that you're on there.

1:28:46Pat McAfee:We'll watch on Friday night, get to do it. I assume you crush the draft coverage. I mean, you're perfect for it. Deebot has a question for you. Yeah, you talked about you being big on comparisons because you've been around so many great players. I want to ask you an example of yours from the past, maybe a player you coached in college that when they went to the NFL, they kind of hit another level because the NFL game was more geared to their talents. Any personal players that you've had that experience with? And then is there a guy that you see in this draft maybe that will get drafted and really take off at the next level?

1:29:14Well, I think Jamar Gibbs is one of those guys that he was a really good player at Alabama, good receiver, productive. But, I mean, when he went to the Lions, he did more for their team, and he played great for us. I don't mean this in a negative way. No, no, no. And he did for our team.

1:29:33Pat McAfee:Yeah, he became the guy. I mean, he became the guy. I see Jeremiah Love as a weapon that, you know, maybe at Notre Dame he did great things, but on an NFL team, because he could be such a good receiver and a runner and used in so many ways, I mean, you don't have to just play him in the backfield. You can put him out there and make him a wide out. So I think that guy is a guy that, you know, could do those kind of things. Caleb Downs. well caleb downs made more players that plays in college than anybody in the draft all right so if he makes that many plays in the nfl i mean what's what's what's the capability gap i mean how much better can he get okay so that was like when he got to campus obviously he's gotten better and he works his ass off and being with you and matt patricia and everything he's been able to do obviously makes him an incredible player a week ago the convo was uh what position is he going to be?

1:30:31Pat McAfee:Now it's like he's definitely going to be a top 10 pick because of how talented he is. Josh Chapman told us the day he walked onto your campus, he was gold jacket. It was obvious that this guy's a gold jacket. What have you seen through his college career? And what are you excited to say about him tomorrow night, whenever he gets drafted in the first round? Well, I would say that when he played for us as a freshman, he would have been the first safety taken in the draft. I mean, the guy is so instinctive. He's got really good ability. He is a phenomenal person, and he is a football junkie, and he is just so instinctive on the field and such a fast reactor.

1:31:08Now, he plays better. Everybody questions whether he can play in a deep part of the field. He can play in a deep part of the field, but when he's in a deep part of the field and he comes downhill, he's going to bust your ass. Yeah, he thumps. He's a thumper. And the only negative I would say to him, and I talked to him on the phone the other day, and it was the same thing when he played for us. He tries to butt him to the ground. and he hits him so hard. I said, how about trying to wrap him up a little bit?

1:31:32Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Ty. Go ahead, Ty. Coach, what about another guy you had, Caden Proctor, who I want to say you only had him his freshman year and then you retired. But early in the draft process, a lot of people killed him for whatever his weight at certain points last year. He's obviously an athletic freak when you look at his measurables. And now as we get closer to the draft, he's kind of gaining a lot more. People saying, hey, he could be the first or second tackle taken off the board. What do you expect out of him, and why do you think that kind of change has happened this close to the draft? I think people get a little bit more tolerant of these small issues.

1:32:14You know, people look for reasons not to pick guys. That's how it starts. I mean, like players used to tell me all the time, I'm going to go to the combine and improve my stock. You ain't improving your stock. They're looking for reasons not to take you, and they're going to find one. So do not work out. But anyway, but I think the thing is this guy is so talented, big, physical, can move, and has power. He's got range. He's got good feet. Now, the issue with him is he's not a bad person. He'll do whatever you ask him to do once you get him in the building. But when he's not in the building, he might get a little overweight.

1:32:56He might not come in in the best shape. And those are the kind of things you've got to manage with him. But I think they're manageable. In other words, he's not really a self-starter that's going to go out there and get in great shape and come to camp like you want him. But you can get him to come to camp if you've got him there and get him ready to go. So I don't think that's a huge negative for the guy. And I think he's going to be a really good player. And if he can't play tackle, he would be one hell of a guard. So there's no downside in taking the guy.

1:33:29Pat McAfee:Andrew Whitworth, obviously LSU legend alongside you, he told us at the beginning of his career in Cincinnati he was playing guard. And he said he was coming out of the huddle laughing because it was the easiest thing of all time because bodies are just getting sent to your way. So when you have a tackle body and then you don't have to go get people, they're just kind of getting filtered to you, that's dominance. That's why Mekhi Becton, whenever he moved to guard, was such a success. That's a huge transition, though, for players. And, like, this is a big part of why it's a crapshoot in the draft because you mentioned, you know, when you're outside of the building.

1:34:00I know for me, I don't know about you, AJ, that was the biggest adjustment for me because in college, everything was so structured. You knew where you need to be, when you need to be there. And as a pro, once that season ends, it's kind of all on you. A lot of times. When do you schedule your workouts? When do you schedule vacations, family time, all these different things? And then you got to show up at this time of year and OTAs and stuff and be in shape because you don't want to be there tired or having soft tissue or having something like this, can't figure out and get on the field and get those valuable reps.

1:34:26So that is probably the biggest adjustment for becoming a pro. You hear be a pro, be a pro, be a pro. It takes a lot of guys a couple years, a few years, maybe some good vets in their room, good coaches, to kind of really bring them along and teach them. That same word, maturity. You know, make the right decisions in the right situations, and you're going to make the right choices and decisions in those situations to put yourself in the best chance to be successful. Yeah.

1:34:50Pat McAfee:Maybe don't get arrested on a Tuesday. Shit happens. Yeah, it happens. It was my week, Coach. Talking about the draft being like a crapshoot. First round hit rate, Hembo kind of gave us a stat. Hit rate means second contract with the team in which you draft. Interior offense alignment, 60%. Offensive tackle, 60%. Feels like if you're going with a big guy, you can kind of tell if they're going to go. Six out of ten, though. Yeah. That's not a definite. You know, 60 % whenever they talk about going for it on the little graphics. They act like that's 100%. Right. It is not. That is a quarterback less than 50%, linebacker less than 50%, edge defender 40 % roughly, defensive tackle 40%, running back 37%, safety 34%, tight end and wide receiver both at 32%.

1:35:37Pat McAfee:You're not guaranteed a good player. and that's kind of the craziness of it all yeah especially as of late it feels like the wide receivers have gotten better this is from 2000 to 2021 I assume if you were to do the last seven years maybe six years the hit rate on wide receivers would be way up because of seven on seven and the way everything kind of went there but over the last 21 years since the history of the draft you everybody says that the player's going to change their team being in a locker room being a punter on special teams depending on a lot of these guys that get drafted kind of there's a lot of ass football players somehow getting into the NFL.

1:36:13Pat McAfee:And whether it's off field, lack of work ethic, or if it's not understanding ball at a level in which it has to, and maybe just not physically being able to keep up with what the NFL is, there's a lot of misses coming out of this draft tomorrow night. And I don't think it's fair that we just call everybody a bust. It's really hard to make it into the league, even if you're drafted in the first round. And I think that the perspective needs to kind of get shifted a little bit when everybody's just like, we'll get this guy, we win the Super Bowl. It's like stats tell us this guy could be on your team in four years.

1:36:42Pat McAfee:So let's go ahead and just remember that. But also there's a chance you find a hall of famer in there. There's a chance you find a staple and a pillar in there, which is why it's so damn special. And it's like, how do you classify bus? Because, you know, Darius Hayward Bay gets drafted in the top 10 and yeah, he may not have been the receiver everyone expects, but you talk glowingly about him all the time about him being a pro bowl special team or, you know, so it's like, where, where is that line defined? You know? Yeah. By that account, he wasn't a pro bowl wide receiver, but he was crucial to you guys.

1:37:10He played a long time. He went to Pittsburgh.

1:37:13Pat McAfee:They paid him a lot of money to be a teamer. For a long time. Yeah, but they would consider him a bust for sure. Yeah, definitely. Love what he did, though. Go ahead, Coach. He was the first. But excellence is success over time. And, you know, when you're a college player, your whole goal in life is to play in the NFL. So you have this built-in motivation. So it's about getting in the NFL, or is it about a standard of excellence once you get there? And I think that's what differentiates a lot of psychological disposition that these players have. So they don't just bust because of their athletic ability.

1:37:47They bust because they don't have the right psychological disposition to be motivated to be what they're capable of being. They lose their motivation because they just wanted to play in the NFL rather than being great in the NFL. And there's a difference.

1:38:04Pat McAfee:Oh, definitely. Definitely a difference between having a cup of coffee and actually being a part of the NFL family forever with how long you're able to play. Do you think the NIO now, the kids are rich as teenagers, changes that a little bit? Because I think it used to be goal, let's get to the NFL, get a bag. You know, we get money for the first time in our lives, especially if you're a first-rounder. AJ Steele. My God. AJ Steele. Have you seen his house in Ohio? He's number five overall pick. Old, old CBA. Old, old CBA. They gave him. He has this. Yeah. This is his house in Ohio. Yeah. Right here.

1:38:34Pat McAfee:because number five overall. But nowadays, these kids are making, what,$6.5 million some of these first-rounders are making at this point. Is that a good thing? I think it's a good thing because we know what people would do with money. Right? Don't you think that is kind of a – I think that is definitely – you asked me about a guy like Proctor. You know, there would be a bigger question in my mind if he never made any money in college. So how does money affect a guy like that? Yes. There's no question about that because he already has money. so i think that's a good thing i do i think so too but i also think that there's it's kind of a two-way street this is one of the older drafts because guys stay in college longer there's less juniors that come out because they're making money so you take away the whole financial incentive to come out early which used to be financial which no longer is this does that make fascinatingly Yes, definitely.

1:39:31So now you've got some 20-year-old guys in the draft, and you've got some 26-year-old guys in the draft. And I think that's a huge difference in who you want on your team and how you want to develop them. Now, the good news is if guys are staying in college longer, that's good for their development because they're obviously – they're down the line guys that are going to play and develop more in college than the opportunity they get in the NFL.

1:39:52Pat McAfee:I think the NIL transfer portal era is having a lot of ripple effects that we're only going to continue to see. Thank you for going to White House and saying, we got to fix this shit, all right? I do appreciate you doing that. AJ has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, you were talking about evaluating players. Obviously, back in college, I'm sure you're evaluating these high school guys. When you're in the pros, you're evaluating college. And you mentioned critical factors. What are some of those critical factors you do evaluate? Have those changed over time? Yeah, well, the first guy that I really learned this from was how Belichick sort of, when I was with him, how we evaluated players.

1:40:28and he defined the kind of players that we wanted in the organization. Character, intelligence, size, speed, and what are the critical factors to play that position in our system. Now, I always coach DBs, so I'll give you that because that's what I'm more expert at. So a guy's got to be able to tackle, play the ball in a deep part of the field, and play man-to-man. Those are three critical factors. Now, you may have 25 things that you evaluate. Quick feet, change of direction, burst out of a break, how does he open his hips, all this kind of stuff to determine those three things. But if you watch the film and a guy misjudges the ball on the deep ball, or he's missing a lot of tackles, when you're a DB, those are all big plays.

1:41:10And if you can't play man-to-man, you can't get your ass off the field on third down. Can't happen. Won't win with it. But every position had that kind of – now, that's not all you looked at, but those were like killers. You know, if we got to play a guy that can't judge a ball in deep part of the field or corner, he's going to give up a lot of players. Yeah, we don't want that guy. Disqualified. And then, you know, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, they were big people. You know, you've heard me say before on TV, you know, football is a great game for little people until you put a big guy in front of them.

1:41:49Yep. You've heard me say that before, right? Oh, yeah. It's the same way a corner. I mean, you got a little corner, and he's playing against a big receiver. It's like a – they play that shit in the NBA, man. As soon as they come across half court, if a big guy's on a little guy, they're giving the ball to the big guy, right? Yes. Same thing. How do you feel about Pons? Feel about Pons. Pons is a great football player. He might be pound for pound as good a football player as there is in the draft. But he's going to have a hard time playing corner in this league because of matchup issues. but I think the guy would be a really good star.

1:42:23You know, Javier Arenas was that kind of player. He played for a while in the league, but he was a good star. He was one of those 5 '9 guys that was explosive, powerful, good tackler, smart, aggressive, good blitzer. Pons is all those things. But if you put him out there at corner, somebody's going to try to figure out how to take advantage of him.

1:42:42Pat McAfee:Yeah, I feel like that is the game ultimately. D, but you got drafted at a high second round, Belichick. three disqualifiers I just learned you ain't have. They didn't worry about the weak-ass hands. No, I had great hands. They ran my workout. I actually did a workout as a corner first. Then I did a wide receiver workout, so they knew the hands were elite. Day one, I believe they call. Diggs has a question for you, Coach. Yeah, Coach, you just brought up Coach Belichick, and we had him on here two or three years ago, and his big thing for the whole draft was sticking to your horizontal draft board.

1:43:16Okay, so you being, obviously you've looked at all these players and you've been a coach in the draft room. And how important though is it the dynamic with the head coach and the GM and then sticking to the board when you're on the clock and not doing something stupid? Because I know there's a lot of voices in that room. Yeah, well, I think it's really important. You've heard me talk about vertical integration in the NFL from the owner to the president, the GM, to the coaches, to the staff. So you get the right kind of players. if the GM wants this kind of player and the coach wants this kind of player, it's not going to fit systematically and somebody's going to get fired.

1:43:50Most of the time it's the coach. Because the GM's sitting in the press box telling the owner what he wants to hear. I mean, I'm thinking all this shit. And you're on the sidelines as a coach trying to win the game.

1:44:04Pat McAfee:Yeah, of course. Good luck. Politicking is always happening. So it is critical. and and look one thing we never had to do in college is we just had to say these are the five best offensive tackles that we're recruiting here's the five best corners because we could take more guys yeah but in the nfl having the board horizontally is this offensive tackle better than this corner and you did that by having a nine point grading system this guy might be a 7.5 the corner may be a 7.2 so who are we picking we're going to take the tackle for value because he's a better player long term, or we need the corner.

1:44:39And those are the kind of decisions you've got to make. And when you're not on the same page, they get really hard to make.

1:44:45Pat McAfee:We've got some Hembo stats here on the history, or on this particular draft for most amount of picks here. The Jets are the only team with four top 50 picks. They can really do some damage. I remember they did not take David Bailey on one of their top 30 visits. They said they knew everything about him already. Fascinating. The Dolphins are the only team with more than five top 100 picks. Good luck to them. They're going to need them. Ain't that right, Gumpy? Sully's at the wheel. We're good to go. Coach Saban also pulling for the Dolphins, obviously, always will be. That could be seven starters.

1:45:15Pat McAfee:Yeah, maybe could be, should be. Going to have to be probably for your guys' team. You got rid of all your good players over the last couple years. The Broncos are the only team without multiple top hunter picks. Sean Payton sitting there on the ice yesterday. Yeah. Right there on the ice. He's got nothing to do for a couple days. He almost got glass. I know. He almost got shards on him as he's hanging out watching the Colorado avalanche. you might be the real deal. Are Predators in the playoffs? Nope. I had a chance to get in, went 4-5-1 in the last 10 games, and missed it by, you know, two points or however they do it in hockey.

1:45:48Pat McAfee:How'd you feel about the season? How'd you feel about the hockey season? Were you in the building or what? I'm anxious to see how we can build a program, just like we built programs in other places and we get the right people in the organization. It's kind of exciting. Have you shot a puck yet? No. I haven't been to a game yet either. Can you skate? No. Have you tried? You've been to West Virginia, man. Where would you stay in West Virginia? We ain't got – what, is he a speed skater? The guy's going straight downhill. You're going to have to start. They're jumping. Do a jump. Could have at some point.

1:46:20Pat McAfee:Can't wait to see you at a Predators game. Can't wait to see you do your thing for the draft coverage. Thank you so much for taking time out of your life to join us today. You look good. You're super fit right now, huh? You feel good? Yeah, I'm playing a lot of golf. How's the game? Sometimes good, sometimes bad, man. That's a metaphor of life, that game. I mean, you hit a good shot, you've got to deal with success, you hit a bad shot, you've got to deal with failure and focus on the next shot. And if you don't focus on every shot, you get punished. I mean, it's the damnedest thing. That's right.

1:46:50That's golf football, baby.

1:46:52Pat McAfee:That is golf football. What's bad for you, though? What's bad? You said some days good, some days bad. What's bad? Oh, well, some days I can't putt, some days I can't hit straight off the tee. What do you mean? 80? Bad? I've shot my age three times. When's the most recent time? You've shot 68 recently? About a week ago. 73. I'm 74 years old. The older you get, the easier. Hit the number. I thought you were late 60s. You're 74 right now? I actually shot 82 at Augusta about a month ago. That's pretty goddamn good. I was nine over on the front and one over on the back. Wow. It's the second time. Went through amen corner, one under.

1:47:31That's cool.

1:47:31Pat McAfee:Did you birdie to par three or did you par? Birdied to 12. Yeah. Wow. Second nine, not back nine. I think you're good there forever because of who you are, but if I was to get that wrong, I'm potentially, you know what I mean? So let's make sure we get the words right. Patriots. They don't have that kind of expectation for me, though. Yeah, you're a southern god. Yeah, I understand how it works down there, as they should. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, the GOAT, Coach Saban. Thank you, Coach. Yeah, Coach. Thank you, guys. Good seeing you all again. Good seeing you, Coach. Love you, Coach.

1:48:05Pat McAfee:You look good, dude. You look really good. You guys better stand up. Yeah, boys, good work there, boys, standing up for the coach. Miss Amy, see you later. Great seeing you. Yep, you're the best. Thank you so much.

1:48:19Pat McAfee:Feels like the draft is really starting to heat up. We had Brett Michaels playing earlier. We had... See you, Coach. How about Coach... See you, Coach. How about him coming in here and just... Schefter just going, let me stop you right there. Pick your brain for... One half of the talks at the table at Boston Connors back. You were right in the middle of that convent. Was Schefter trying to get as much information as possible out of Coach Saban right there? Yeah, after seeing how Schefter works, I have a completely different perspective on him. He's a true shark. Eye to eye, he got real, real close to Nick Saban's face.

1:48:49So you know the information that he was looking for was serious. But yeah, that was a high football IQ conversation from one side. The other side was just questions. Hey, tell me more.

1:49:00Pat McAfee:Yeah, he was kind of downloading everything. Exactly. That's kind of what Schefter's doing. Speaking of hot football conferences, something Saban said when he was talking about the star position. A lot of people at home probably don't know what that is. Kind of like a nickel slot defender. So think Derwin James, Cooper DeGene, Nicky Manwari, Devin Weatherspoon out in Seattle, who I think him being as successful as he's been will help D 'Angelo Pons probably draft stock tomorrow night. Troy Polamalu, original? Troy played everywhere. C. Wood, you know, those guys and Caleb Downs, I can see him playing this position as well because those guys can just impact so much of the game.

1:49:36They communicate with linebackers, corners, safeties, linemen. Sometimes they can blitz. They're immediately, they're going to make your run game and your pass game better. So you get a guy like this in the building, they're obviously never going to come off the field. They're like a chess piece on defense. So you see the last two Super Bowl champs, Cooper Dejean, Nicky Mawori, that was two of their best players playing at one of the most critical in my opinion positions. The queen chess piece. Yeah. Yep.

1:50:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, it's not the stupid horse one that's an L. No, not a knight. I'm not a sneak up on you now. Not a rook. Yeah, careful. But I'm saying that one's just running an inter-route the whole time. We're talking that these stars just need to go everywhere. You don't have to take the linebacker off the field. You don't have to, yeah. Yeah, it's the best. With the game now, they have to be able to thump. Thumping is back in football, and we love that. I'm excited to see Goodell thump a couple of these big guys tonight. as we wrap up here on ESPN. Let's make sure we cover all the news stories of the day.

1:50:31Pat McAfee:Brandon Aubrey, highest paid kicker ever, four-year,$28 million,$20 million guarantee with Cowboys. Congratulations, Brandon. Well done. You earned that, pal. Remember, there were some rumors going around about what he was expecting and wanting and thinking and all that stuff, and then his agent said, that's not real. Got transition tagged. I believe somebody else could have made an offer for him through that point. He ended up being definitely back with the Cowboys. They get a deal done with the most accurate kicker maybe of all time if he's to go. Guy never misses. It doesn't make any sense.

1:51:00Pat McAfee:He hit, I think, two uprights in the same game last year. And it was earth-shattering headline news. Brandon Aubrey missed a kick. When you get to that point, Tucker was there for a little bit. Boswell got to that point a little bit. Obviously, Vinatieri lived in that moment for like 20 years. If you're somebody that they make a big deal out of you missing anything, that means you're a guy. Aubrey's been at literally since day one he got in the NFL, and he might hit from 75 yards. Weapon. Absolute weapon. And when you talk about the salary cap going up and to the right, to have a guy that can make a kick for you, priceless.

1:51:36Pat McAfee:They put a price on it. It's about$5 million a year. What else happened around here? Shane Steichen says Dan Jones is back to throwing and performing his draw. And we saw him walk in. Broken leg and an Achilles ain't enough to slow Daniel dimes down. Now, he lost a receiver in Michael Pittman. Sure. Tough. To the Pittsburgh Steelers. Uh-huh. Kept Alec Pierce, who he made definitely his absolute best version of him. Yeah. He's out for three months. Uh-huh. Dimes is back. Yep. I'm excited about the future. I love where we're at, Deebo. I love where we're at as well. We're obviously moving on, I think, to kind of a new chapter with Kenny Moore moving on, Desire Franklin moving on.

1:52:15Do you really love where you are, though, with all these great players leaving? We got, look, we still got a gym. What's that? We still got our own. I just wonder if you guys really are excited about the future. We got our quarterback. Yeah. You see our quarterback walking in? Alec Pierce, he signed him$150 million. He's got ankle surgery three days later. He'll be all right. I hope. It was a week and a half later. We hope. Yeah. Multiple weeks later. Did Shefty know about Pierce's surgery before the Colts signed him to the extension? That's what he was kind of saying.

1:52:40Pat McAfee:It kind of is what he was saying. But I think he kind of has to say that. Isn't that kind of like a thing? I knew. That's kind of what he was doing. It's like, I don't know. Did you? You looked over his shoulder in his phone. You think you knew based on what you said? Yeah, what was that? What was on his phone? A lot of shots. Got anything for me? Shot, shot, shot, shot. That's what it felt like. It felt like, you know, every once in a while you see those boats that those super rich olds go on out in the sea, and there's just like 30 fishing lines. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they got like workers standing there telling them, hey, this one.

1:53:09Pat McAfee:They go, oh, let me get my fat ass over here. Do the entire thing. Sure. That's what that text message kind of looked like. Okay. That's why I was scanning it out. I'm like, oh, that's a shot. That's a shot. That's a shot. And there was a lot of names that I definitely knew. I'm like, that could be a cool thing if that was to happen. And then he comes on and goes, we don't know anything yet. Yeah, nothing's going on. Got any more for me? He knows stuff. I don't know. He knows stuff. Well, now that him, the superpowers have combined. Yeah. Him, Rappaport, Palisaro. They meet every morning. Field Yates, I think.

1:53:42Pat McAfee:Is Field an insider? But have they combined? I think a little bit. Yes, I think they have. Shefty's retweeting those guys stuff. He's never doing that before. But you think Shefty's giving his stuff? Hey, I got this. I'm going to gift it to you. You can break it. No, they're meeting every morning, giving everything to each other. I do think Shefty, this many years into the game, I think he probably only knows one way, which is like, go, go, go. Rap, same way. But I think Rap has been very open about like, hey, would be honored to be a part of Shefty's team. I don't think Shefty has ever publicly come out and been like, can't wait to have these guys part of my team.

1:54:13Pat McAfee:Because I think Shefty is an actual machine. machine. Shefty fucking hates it. No, I think at this stage, I think he'll be excited to add members to team. I think he'd be happy to bring members of team in because it's not like he's ever going to be viewed as not the guy. He's already proven, I think. I think that's what bothered him. I think he does want to add people to the team, but it was the notion that this is his heir apparent. This is the guy that's going to replace him and he obviously is not thinking about stopping anytime soon. Hates it. Yeah. No, I think it is forced upon him. And I think now he's like, how do we make this?

1:54:49Pat McAfee:Yeah, I'll play ball. He's the old franchise quarterback. You draft a young gun. I hate this guy. You are right. But I'll play it. I'll be a team player. All right. We will see you tomorrow night for the draft spectacular. 7 p.m. It starts with the football town. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. Goodbye. All right. Clock's were off a second. I think I nailed it. A lot of activity brewing behind us. Oh, yeah. A lot happening. Big time. I'm being told in my ear, how long is this shit? A lot of that. Okay. You know, because the music was starting. Sure. So I assume somebody was like, hey, can you not do the music?

1:55:22Pat McAfee:And they're like, no, actually kind of need to do the music. That's kind of the thing. It's not just music, I guess. It's going to be on that stage. I think if we were to wait two minutes and 30 seconds, we would potentially get something that I'm sure they do not want us to show. Okay. Okay. We can't tip what it's going to be. I don't think we can tip the open of the fucking draft. Yeah, it's probably the safest. They have almost started it about three times. Is it Bret Michaels? They were playing some of this stuff. A little bigger. All right. Bigger than Bret. You're not showing it, Foxy. We're getting out of here.

1:55:51Pat McAfee:Okay, we're out of here. That's not possible. We're back tomorrow night. Foxy was like, we got a really good shot of this. Foxy, he wants to tip the whole draft? Foxy, show the shots that we have of the stage. B-Mac, I know you're probably watching this. We could get the whole thing. We could get the whole thing. Oh, boy. Yeah, that would really do it. We're not going to do it. We're not going to do it. We were lucky to think we're going to do it. Hey, somebody tell Oni or Oni, whatever the hell his name is. We are very lucky and thankful to be here. Okay? And on that note, we're not tipping shit.

1:56:19Pat McAfee:No. Okay. We've come this far. We need not. I want to see what it is tomorrow night. Thank you, Schrager. Yep. Tomorrow night, Draft Spectacular starts at 7 p.m. with a showing, a debut premiere of the football town. I'm going to say it's maybe the nicest thing I've ever been a part of. I mean, it is. It was so cool to watch, like, the first five minutes. And the way people are talking about it, I think it'll be something that'll be well worth your time. And also a nice prep for what's about to happen. The next generation of NFL stars are going to be drafted on this stage tomorrow night after the Open that has a lot of really cool stuff happening.

1:56:58Pat McAfee:Roger Goodell will come out here, and we're going to celebrate the hell out of ball. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We will see you then. For myself, D-Butt, AJ, Con Man. Con Man, good to see you with a soul. Yeah. As we saw you on Steel Curtain without one. Yeah. That was alarming footage. I did not see that before it was live. Happened both times. The first time was a little worse. I was concerned because I knew it was glass. Yeah. It was a little quicker, but. Yeah, yeah. It was tough. I mean, that's Kennywood. 40 seconds here. Ty. Tone. Truck. Great work, truck.

1:57:30Pat McAfee:Hey, truck. What's up, boys? ESPN crew, thank you so much for setting this all up. Barcode and MFOSO. Miss Karen's here doing logistics for life. And tomorrow, Coach Cowher will join us. AQ Shipley will join us. Surprises will happen. Dreams will come true. See you, friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're interesting together. Team on me. Let's have a hell of a week here in Pittsburgh. Perfect. Come down and see us if you're in time. We appreciate you. Team on me. Team on three. One, two, three. Team. Goodbye. Hey, sports fans. The ESPN app has all of ESPN all in one place.

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