PMS 2.0 1540 - 2026 NFL Draft Recap, Adam Schefter, TJ Oshie, Shams Charania, Iman Shumpert, Mike Repole, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

22:29Pat McAfee:Shefty, I don't know. I genuinely don't know how many buildings kind of watch our program. It feels like a lot of them do. We'll just keep running these highlights of this guy. I think there's going to be some people that get pretty interested. While you're obviously talking about the entire situation, about there being a motive and some people peeking around, I mean, after the draft would be a good time to revisit those conversations. I mean, that's Blank. That's Coop. Yeah, that's Coop. Yeah, sorry about that, boys. I don't think you all look the same. Sorry. Okay, I do apologize for the confusion there between Blank and Coop or whatever the case is.

23:02Pat McAfee:But these highlights are outrageous. He played his best ball by far last year with the Dallas Cowboys. They're saying he's going to play under the franchise tag. He's got Molligeta as an agent. It feels like somebody's going to be paying George Pickens a lot of money to do that right there. And who will be the team that missed out on a wide receiver that they wanted in the draft? And by the way, there could be at some point in time, we get to camp, somebody loses a receiver due to injury. Whenever that happens, the thinking is going to shift to George Pickens if he hasn't been traded by that point in time.

23:33It's just going to kind of float out there all along. I'll say this. The Dallas Cowboys also said last year, I believe, that they weren't trading Micah Parsons. And they went out there trading him. And George Pickens would be more tradable than Micah Parsons. So even though Dallas says it's not trading him, I still believe that a trade will be alive. It will follow that team and him throughout the summer. And forgive me for being ignorant and naive, but there had to be a reason why he signed that franchise tender.

24:03Pat McAfee:How many years you've been covering the NFL? 36. Very ignorant and naive man, I'd say. More tradable than Michael Parsons. Yeah, it's crazy. Is that because of contract expectation or why? With what? With him being more tradable. You said more tradable than Micah Parsons? No, no, no. What I'm saying is the Cowboys said that they weren't trading Micah Parsons. In this particular case, they're not married long-term to George Pickens. They've already said they're not extending him. They wanted to keep Micah Parsons long-term. The Dallas Cowboys have basically advertised that as much as we like George Pickens, we're not signing him to a long-term deal.

24:44So there's no long-term commitment. So if there's no long-term commitment, they would be more apt, in my mind, to trade George Pickens than they were Micah Parsons at this time last year. We know how that went last year. Now, they're saying that they don't intend to trade George Pickens. That's their plan. But my point is, if they traded Parsons, then I think Pickens is even more tradable than Parsons was a year ago.

25:09Pat McAfee:Yeah, he's, yeah. Okay, so you're saying with what they have deemed what they were going to do with each guy. The Micah thing's interesting because that felt like a real turn quick. Yeah. Yeah. That got nasty quick, it felt like. And the Packers were like, yeah, we'd love to have him. And then whenever he was playing, they were great. And then when he wasn't playing, the Packers were ass. Yes. So that was a good trade, no matter what they gave up for that particular situation. George Pickens, he'd go to a team immediately and become their one. I mean, just wherever he had to. He kind of became the Cowboys' one in there with CeeDee Lamb because when he was at the Steelers, he was almost like a one-trick pony with the deep ball.

25:44But then he got to the Cowboys and got with Dak, and he showed that he could run the entire route tree in the slot. But speaking of wide receivers and being tradable, going back to the NFC West for the San Francisco 49ers, I know John Lynch has been speaking more on Brandon Ayuk. There's been rumors about the commanders having interest. What are we hearing on the latest on the Brandon Ayuk front? Well, we know he's not going to be back in San Francisco. We know that the team is ready to move on from – And they've advertised, including this weekend, at every turn that they would trade him for whatever they could get back for him.

26:14And I think the reason that a team's not trading for him right now is they don't want to assume the current contract that he has. And so it's a situation where he hasn't been in clear, constant communication with the Niners. They've had a hard time getting a hold of him. Other teams, I think, have attempted to reach out. They've had a hard time getting a hold of him. So it's a situation where the 49ers feel like, yeah, Brandon Ike, I'm sure, would love to be released so he can go rejoin his college teammate Jaden Daniels in Washington. That's a prevailing thought out there. But the Niners are like, you know what?

26:52We don't really care. We've got some time between now and camp opening, and we're not just going to give him away unless we feel like we can get something back for him. The issue is that teams don't want to trade for that contract, and they don't want to trade for that contract when they can't even discuss it with Brandon Ayuk. Hold on, hold on.

27:12Pat McAfee:Shefter, Shefter, though. Didn't they void his guarantees because of breach of contract? Correct. So wouldn't that be the – so does the team inherit the breached contract, or does the team inherit full contract, and they have to decide whether or not he breached their contract? Okay, let me just call up his contract. Oh, I got him. That's a good question. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, no, you didn't get me.

27:41I just want to see the contract here, right? So right now, he is, okay, so he's supposed to make this year. In November 25, they voided$27 million in guaranteed money for this season. So whatever he's due to make this year, that's what I'm trying to see. that money is not guaranteed anymore. Okay, so what's his base salary supposed to be this year? I can't see that. It's too little for me.

28:10Pat McAfee:$27 million. Yeah,$27 million, I believe. Well, that's the case. Base looks like it's$11 million. $1.2 million. $1.2 million. Oh, well, I guess the team would have to take on... In 27, it's 27.2, and then 28, it is 29.1. Come on, Lynch. Text Shefty. Yeah, just text him. Text John Lynch and say, hey, what's going on? Because if he breaches... The point is, I think that Ayuk is supposed to make so much money this year that another team would not want to pay him that. And so you can't trade for the player without taking on the contract, even without the guaranteed money. And there isn't a team out there right now that wants to pay him the money that is due to him.

29:05It may not be guaranteed, but it's still due to him this year. And so a team that trades for him, and there's been none so far that has been willing to do that, would want to rework the contract. And again, they've had a hard time reaching the player. just kind of floating around out there right now.

29:24Pat McAfee:All right. Well, Iyuk, we hope it all works out, dude. Yep. Figure it out. However you want to work out, we hope it all works out. You're really good at football, Mr. Iyuk. You are really, really good at football. That's why this conversation is even happening. Just remember that. We love watching you play. Oh, yeah. Love watching you. Get your shit together, brother. Yeah, come on. Come on. There's a lot out there right now. Now, granted. Can't be for it. Whatever you want to do. Can't be for it. $25 million. Yeah, I can't. And now I leave that on the table. I'm thinking about guys in the past that have just walked away and then gone on their own journeys or whatever.

30:00Pat McAfee:Hey, good luck out there, man. It's a lot of money just to be leaving out there. A lot of money just to be leaving. Sheffield, you get an answer from somebody right there? John Lynch goes, actually, the amount of money that people would take. Did you get any answers? No. No 49er sticks. To play, name that team. Was it Colts? Maybe the Colts were trading for George Pickens? Rams, perhaps. Oh, maybe as the Rams saying, good job on the Ty Simpson cleanup there. Is that what the Rams said there? You know, I do want to go back to when George Pickens was traded. It wasn't exactly a robust trade market.

30:33I think David Mulligetta helped find that one team in Dallas, and it was a great trade for both sides, for Dallas and for Pittsburgh at this point in time. Now you've got to find another team. The talent is incredible. He's as good as anybody. The Steelers always said that. Like, that has not been the question with George Pickens. It's the other stuff that, again, he's got to show them a certain maturity. And I thought he played very well this year, and he showed he's worthy of that stuff. But, again, there's got to be a team that's willing to step up to pay him, and we'll see whether that comes together.

31:07Pat McAfee:That's a great text. As we're getting phone calls from the Sheppard Hot Corner over there post-draft, the George Pickens signing of the franchise tag kind of sent out a red flag to everybody that something might be up on him moving into his next stage of his career. Was with the Steelers. Had an incredible year with the Cowboys. We assume he won't play under the franchise tag, but maybe it is. Just plays under the franchise tag, continues to. He has to now. He has to now. Because he signed it. That's the whole issue. He signed it. He has to play. If he's not there in week one, he gets fined. Like, no, he's contractually obligated to be there now.

31:46Pat McAfee:Yeah. Okay. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, we were just talking about Ayuk left 27. Yeah, we understand what you're saying out there. No, Ayuk just stopped going to meetings, stopped being around. Like, they couldn't get a hold of him. And he, whatever it was, there were enough actions and behaviors that the team was documenting all along that it felt like it had grounds to avoid his guarantees. Like, to avoid the guarantees, you have to take some serious steps to have that done. Yeah, well, that's what we're saying, though. We hope it doesn't end up like that with George and Dallas. We hope maybe whatever happens, we just hope George ends up with all the money and he falls in love with the place that he ends up at.

32:25Pat McAfee:Ty has a question for you, Shefty. Yeah, Shefty, it gained quite a bit of steam this weekend right after the Giants selected Arvel Reese. There was a lot of, hey, Kayvon Thibodeau. I know they just drafted him in the top five not too long ago, but his name kind of popped up on the trade market. Is there anything there with him? Because that was really hot. Maybe he's going to get traded during the draft, and then it kind of cooled down completely on Sunday and it seemed like they're going to find a spot for him and he might be a Giant after all. They never came close to trading him during the draft.

32:55They had a conversation with the Saints about a month ago. The talks never really went anywhere. And we were told, I think we put up an alert during the draft, even after the Giants took Arville Reese, that the Giants had no intention of trading Kavon Thibodeau at that point in time. Now, again, could something happen later this summer? Something always could happen. Just go back to Micah Parsons last year. But I can tell you that as of today, the Giants do not plan to nor intend to trade Kayvon Thibodeau. The plan is to hold on to him. The plan is to keep him. There was a conversation with New Orleans over a month ago prior to the draft.

33:31The Saints over the weekend dealt for another pass rusher, Tyree Wilson, the former high first-round draft pick from the Las Vegas Raiders. That was the direction the Saints went, and the Giants are planning to have Thibodeau be a part of their defense this season.

33:44Pat McAfee:John Harbaugh is handling everything like a master class. It does feel like the Giants are the hot team to believe in right now. You know, hey, why not believe in the Giants? Why not believe in the Giants? Do we believe in Jackson Dart 100%, Bruce Braun? Oh, 100, 1 ,000 % believe in Jackson Dart. All right, I like it. Is he going to submarine his head into his arms? Is he going to do that? I like it. Hey, I want to let you know. I like that he's willing to do that. It was an overblown narrative the whole time. He missed one game. He had one concussion that the Unk missed. The Unk was picking on him all season long.

34:18Never got him once on a concussion. Dave Ball was in the tent. He's going to be fine. He's going to be more than fine.

34:24Pat McAfee:I can't wait. I hope so. I love the way he plays, man. I love the amount of money. In New York, too. Scadaboo's back or no? Yeah. Scadaboo's going to be good to go. Neighbors, it seems like, is a little bit slower in the recovery. But, yeah, I don't know who the hell is playing D-tackle, but everything else seems like we got sorted. Yeah, you guys got red. Dexie just couldn't wait to get him out of the building. Just couldn't wait to send him Cincinnati. And then you look at Cincinnati, he's like, I kind of like what Cincinnati's doing over there. A lot of teams very optimistic. Philadelphia fans never optimistic, but massive move was made.

34:54Pat McAfee:Go ahead, Con Man. Yeah, Sheffy, Jonathan Grenard gets traded during day two, I believe. They got a third round back for him and a third round for next year. How did this develop? Were there any other teams kind of in it on Grenard, or was it always just going to be the Eagles once they lost Adrian Phillips to the Carolina Panthers? You know, the interesting part of this trade is it had been in the works for weeks, and there was a point in mid-March in that first week of free agency where these two teams were heavily discussing a potential trade for Jonathan Gernard, and they couldn't agree on the value at that point in time.

35:29And I believe at that point in time that the Eagles were offering a third-round pick this year. The Vikings wanted a second round pick this year, and the talk stalled entirely. Now, they were always sitting out there, and it was always possible that they were going to be revisited. And that's exactly what happened on Thursday, shortly after the draft began. I'm not sure if it was that morning or that night, but the two sides obviously connected again and agreed to the trade that involved the number 98 overall selection in this past draft and the third round pick next year. The Vikings get back two picks for a player that they weren't going to pay.

36:06And the Eagles had a deal done and ready to go with Jonathan Garnard, a four-year,$100 million extension. They add another pass rusher. They had been looking to add another pass rusher. And so for the Eagles' sake, they got somebody. Oddly enough, it was the compensatory pick that they traded this year, which you can trade compensatory picks now. That was the pick they got for losing Milton Williams to the Patriots. So they lose Milton Williams and essentially get back Jonathan Grenard, who is a weapon there in Minnesota.

36:38Pat McAfee:And Minnesota trades their captain. I mean, that's just a crazy, that is obviously a wild move for Minnesota. I'm assuming they have a plan. For the Philadelphia Eagles now, this is setting up for a conversation about A.J. Brown. Obviously, you pick up this big of a contract. You have to expect some money somewhere to be elsewhere. A.J. Brown, he's still on the move to the Patriots. And who's making decisions for the Patriots? I'm hearing we're heading out out of town to council. And then, no, we're not in town, but we are in town. We're doing this. What is happening with the Patriots in decision-making?

37:12Pat McAfee:And are we still just assuming A.J. Brown is going to the Patriots? Well, when Mike Vrabel leaves over the weekend on Saturday when they're making those picks, and I think they went into that day with eight picks, Elliot Wolfe's general manager, Ryan Cowden, who knows Vrabel very well, So they're more than capable of carrying that organization forward without him at that point in time. And now, again, at some point in time, they all understand that they want A.J. Brown, and the Patriots and the Eagles are willing to move on from A.J. Brown. And again, I expect that this trade will come together on June 1st.

37:51Neither side is committed to it, but both, I believe, are expected to make it happen to where A.J. Brown will wind up being traded to New England in June. It's not going to be hard to get done. The Eagles are open to moving him. The Patriots want him. And I believe in the end it will involve a future first-round draft pick. My guess is 2028, one in 2028. But let's see how the two sides, what they finally figure out there in the end and what they ultimately decide on is compensation.

38:23Pat McAfee:I'll let you know, for the first round this past weekend, I just looked at a picture of Sauce Gardner. Okay. In 2028, take it. Give him a second two. That's why the NBA is so awesome. In 2037, you will have our second round and our first round pick. Okay, deal. Let's do that. Who knows who's going to be the GM then? You know? Maybe two, three GMs. Let them deal with that down the road. They can find a pick whenever they got it. A.J. Brown is certainly a game changer, game wrecker. Are you guys ever going to focus on ball up there? Yes. Are you guys ever going to focus on ball? That's all we focus on.

38:58The team is focused on ball. It is not what you focus on. Look, some people need to get their ducks in a row. And that's currently happening right now. This ain't September. This ain't July. This ain't August. This is April. We're focused on the Boston Celtics and the Boston Bills.

39:14Pat McAfee:How come you guys haven't talked about it? You don't listen to this show. It's obvious. But on that note, it's crazy what's going on. It is. It is. Tees in peace to the families. involved that are affected. Actually, legit. Eight picks in one day. Can't beat her. It's crazy news. That's nuts. That's crazy talk. That's crazy. Supreme Commander. You say he's the guy. Look, he is. And Elliott Wolfe said it. Look, we picked a lot of guys. Mike Vrabel said, I love these guys. Oh, we took a 6 '7 tackle. He was 380 pounds from Texas A &M. Oh, I wonder if Vrabel likes that guy. He does. Jaden Reed signed an extension with the Packers.

39:52Pat McAfee:Congrats to him. A lot of news coming out of the entire NFL draft weekend. Do we see more stuff happen after the draft because everybody's kind of settled in on where they're supposed to be? Like, how do you kind of judge the action from here until, let's say, oh, I don't know, training camp? You know, there's still a lot of wide receivers out there. Odell Beckham Jr. and the Giants. It sounds like they'll get something done here at some point in time here. At Odell, there's a real chance he'll be back with the Giants. You've got Stephon Diggs is still out there right now. Jawan Jennings is still out there right now.

40:25DeAndre Hopkins is still out there. A lot of wide receivers. Get us, Jawan Jennings.

40:29Pat McAfee:Yeah. He is a dog. That would be perfect. Yeah, especially the loss of Pittman. Why is he still out there? I don't know. That is – you want him on your team. You hate him on other teams. You would like him on – he's kind of like hockey good, you know, of a wide receiver group. You would like him on your team. You would like him not to be on the team that you're playing against. He's a dog. How's he? I didn't know he's still out there. Welcome to the coach, Juwan. I'll make a draft. There you go. I think that's how it goes. All right, Shefty. We appreciate you, brother. Anything that we missed here that you have to, that we should have talked about?

41:03How about Diego Pavia going into the Ravens minicamp this weekend on a tryout basis? That's kind of cool, isn't it, that he gets an opportunity there?

41:09Pat McAfee:Why are you talking like that? This guy was a Heisman finalist. Why do you say, good for the kid there? Why did you say that? Well, I'm sure that he's disappointed. that he didn't get drafted, of course. But that, to me, like that's a good opportunity in Baltimore this week. And the Ravens currently have two quarterbacks on their roster, Lamar Jackson, Tyler. They don't have a third. It's been a strong organization for a long time. Like to me, that's a good opportunity. It's not what he wanted, but I always feel like it's more important about where you go, not where you go in the draft. And if he can go in there and impress them and get signed to the roster, I like that opportunity for Diego Pavia.

41:50Pat McAfee:Hell yeah. We do too. We'll see. We do too. What he did to Vandy so quickly was outrageous. And he had to fight and scrap his way up. So going through the minicamp, having to try out to earn his spot, feels like it's pretty synonymous with his story as a whole. If it doesn't work out with the Ravens, I think he should go finish the UFL season for four weeks here. Win a title. Win a title at the UFL. And then he can get into the NFL still. So, you know, I just, I think there's a great opportunity here for Diego Pavia to potentially get a little ownership of something right now. Let me say this, Pat, that the Ravens' minicamp is this weekend, but there are other teams that have minicamps the next weekend, and there are other teams that want to bring him in if the Ravens don't sign him.

42:30So there's already a couple there that want to bring him in also. So he's got a couple of invitations, and we'll see where he winds up on our roster. All right, we're happy for him if he makes the game. They brought Joe in there, though, UConn's quarterback. What's that? Joey Fanano? Yep, Joe got invited as well. To where, the Baltimore? Good luck beating him up, yeah. He's good.

42:49Pat McAfee:What's his name? Joe. Joe what? Just Joe? Yeah, no last name. Joe Fernando. There you go. Joe Fernando. Paisano, I believe. Yeah. It's a safe guess. I'd say. All right, Shefty, good luck to Diego Pavia. We're obviously pulling for him. We're going to try to negotiate a pretty good deal for him here with Rapoli when he joins us in the second hour to see what he would be willing to give up for Pavia to maybe play a couple weeks. Maybe it's just an appearance fee or two on a field with a helmet. We'll see. He can play in a Todd Haley offense. He can play in a Todd Haley offense, I think. They're on like their third quarterback.

43:24Pat McAfee:Sure. You know, I don't know. I never heard any of them. No. Western Florida's quarterback was out there killing it. Yeah. Guy could spin it a little bit. I think Diego could figure it out for a few weeks. Easy. Might put that league on his back until he makes the NFL. But just make the NFL instead. You can go get it, Diego. Just like you, Schefter. 36 years in the NFL. Yeah. I'm 38 years old. That's Adam Schefter. Thank you so much. Baby Shepty. He always has all the answers. Always. So didn't they void his contract? So what do you mean future teams are worried about the guaranteed money? Because I think the guaranteed money was actually voided because they said he breached whenever he just stopped showing up.

43:56Pat McAfee:Well, let me look here. Because he did just keep saying the contract, the contract. Yeah. If one team voids a contract, is the contract voided elsewhere? So they only voided the guaranteed money for 2026. When I looked it up, he still is owed like$28 million in 2027, $29 million in 2028. So do they still have to pay$27 million or$29 million those next two years? Because they only voided the guaranteed money for 2026. Okay, and couldn't they technically void the future ones? Because it's the same contract, I wonder. Yeah, there's an out. There's an out after that, after next year, on that little spot right there in the middle.

44:30After this upcoming season, there is a potential out in it.

44:33Pat McAfee:Who knows? Three years,$74 million,$21.2 million. Yeah, who knows? We need Spotrack. Which is nothing. Spotrack, clean this up for us. Spotrack, yeah, please speak English on here for us. We'd like to see if Ayuk is on the move or not. Jawan Jennings? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like that. I don't know how he hasn't gotten signed yet. I would assume he just has a number and, you know, just waiting for the opportunity. Got to be this week, right? After the draft. Yeah, you would assume so. So that number either comes down or somebody didn't get the receiver they wanted in the draft or didn't address that need.

45:04But, yeah, he's a talented guy. He's good in the pass game, great in the run game. And, like you said, just a shit stirrer out there, too. So I would definitely want him in my locker room. And maybe he knows that the Niners are going to move on from IU relatively soon, and then they can give him that, not the same contract, but a contract that is more money with that off the ball.

45:20Pat McAfee:Maybe it is a waiting game. We shall see as the NFL never sleeps. We will obviously follow it ear to the ground. The NBA playoffs are happening, and the NHL playoffs are happening. Ratings up 141%. Wow. Damn. That's because the people that are getting introduced to hockey for the first time are falling in love with it. How could you not? It's fast. It's dangerous. It's electrifying. especially when Sidney Crosby is doing the thing. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Stanley Cup champion American hero, TJ Oshie. Yay! How you doing? What's going on, boys? How we doing? Dude, great. Thank you for joining us, man.

45:51Pat McAfee:We've loved watching you on ESPN. Obviously, we got a chance to chat with you at the beginning of this whole thing. You've done great. Hockey's up and to the right. That's because of you, so you need to go ahead and take a victory lap. It's not because of the lads on the ice, but let's talk about the hockey that is being seen at a rate that we haven't seen in some time. Let's start down there, Pittsburgh, Philly. We were there for last week's game three, I do believe, and it was ugly. And what I seen on the ice was a Flyers team that was bigger, stronger, faster, and more talented than the Pens on that particular evening.

46:21Pat McAfee:It was pretty obvious. Now, what's his name? Sanheim? Sanheim? Spit on the ice towards my direction. Who's 74? Tip it. That guy needs to be suspended from all of hockey. he's way too fast and mean looking in this entire thing all the boys were fast strong and just body in the penguins then sydney crosby comes alive in game four then tangers scoring goals pens have a shot realistic shot here tj and how excited should i be uh moving forward that this is a seven game series i think there's a chance i mean if you wake up sydney crosby this guy is unbelievable i played against him in so many different playoff series that one timer you just saw there is so incredibly hard with the puck coming the same direction you have to shoot it he's able to do things that just a lot of us aren't able to do watch it again see how it kind of it's already coming towards the net like you maybe practice that every once in a while and just you know think you're good and you can do it in practice do it in the game and actually score in a playoff game is unbelievable i hate the guy and i love him at the same time um just in the the respect factor but he i love him too we're all good we're all good i'm on your side kind of but very much not so but i also hate him just from all the rivalries and uh but no he's the guy that has to lead them and honestly pittsburgh fans were all over me when he was hurt i was saying they're not going to make playoffs they made playoffs i gave him a ton of respect put him in my top five power rankings and now they're down 3-1 in the series um so maybe you don't want me rooting for your team but uh he He just does so many things.

47:56The fact that he was able to pull that puck out with his feet and then pass it with no stick, he's just unbelievable. And he's going to have to lead them. They got some young guys over there with not a lot of playoff experience. So if they're going to have any chance of getting back, it's going to be on Sid's shoulders.

48:11Pat McAfee:And watching him, Tanger, and Geno do their thing at this age and then watching LeBron do the same for the Lakers has just been a crazy trip back in time. Time is a circle. And the Pens have a chance to continue to extend the series tonight as Sidney Crosby and the boys are back home. Hopefully that'll happen. Now let's bounce around the rest of the playoffs here. Colorado is just so, they just smacked the shit out of the, I mean, just beat the ass of the Los Angeles Kings. And everybody said it was going to happen. This is like, seems like everybody in hockey says Colorado's the problem. They're the ones that are going to win this entire thing.

48:45Pat McAfee:They start out this hot. Why does everybody believe in them so much? And is it real? Will this be able to sustain throughout the entirety of the playoffs where they just win? they don't lose a single game through all the playoffs is that possible with this colorado team i don't know if that's if that's possible but in every metric that i would say is important as a as a player and someone that's won the cup five on five goal differential is so incredibly important i think they're number one both offensively and defensively in that category and it's like not even close um you'll you'll find referees and i'm sure a lot of home fans get mad but referees really do try to stay out of it for the most part.

49:21So you see a lot of four on four. They'll take two guys if they think there's one big hit, one guy maybe embellishing, whatever it is. Colorado, they just come at you constantly. And their goaltending has been phenomenal. For me, it was a little bit of a question at the start of the year. Their goaltending has been top of the league as far as the tandem. They really are the real deal. And honestly, the story about kind of this series a little bit, one of my favorite players I ever played against was Anzi Kopitar. I only have like a couple of sticks like that. I had a guy signed. He was one of them.

49:53And so for this to be his last game, reminiscent about me, my last series, you know, everyone was like, your back's hurting. We don't want to watch you do it. And I was like, just let me play one more playoff series, please. We got swept by the Rangers, but I got to play in my last four playoff games. Kopitar got to play in his last four. He got to do it at home. So, you know, hats off to him and his career. He's honestly one of the best and one of the most well-respected in all the league.

50:16Pat McAfee:Yeah, stick top to you, Covatar. Yeah, seriously. Oh, he's a big boy. Sick, smoky visor. Captain. We're in the sea up there. Yeah. They got smoked, obviously. They got smoked, yeah. So did we when I retired, too. I know the feeling. I know the feeling. Great run, though, as the Colorado Avalanche continue to start cooking here in the playoffs. And they're 141 % up year over year. So good for the sport. So good for sports as a whole. because the sport is phenomenal, especially whenever the big teams are playing well. Conman has a question for you, TJ. Yeah, TJ, he's referencing that number three viewership right there, the Boston Bruins.

50:54It feels like maybe you're rooting for them since they suck right now. The Blade gang came into the garden and absolutely dominated us. I am sick of these sons of bitches. Someone needs to do something about them. But is this a situation where the Boston Bruins got embarrassed so bad, almost as if they never played hockey before had these guys skating around the TD Bay North Garden and absolutely dominating them uh could they bounce back is this one of those like hey if you are even a little bit of a hockey player you won't just get embarrassed six nothing six one in the end and lay down could they possibly turn the tide or does Buffalo have that moxie in them that makes you think maybe the Sabres can go on a run to the cup well I guess that's a little bit of a two-parter.

51:41I do think Boston can turn it around. I think one of the worst wins you can have is a blowout win, especially in a playoff series, because you start sitting back and thinking that, oh, it's going to be easy. A lot of the goals came. Don't get me wrong. Buffalo did a great job. They dominated them in every facet of the game. They were phenomenal. But that next game, up 3-1, just had a massive win. Human nature sets in a little bit, and you feel like you can back off a little and oh we'll just try this little play through the middle here and you know this is a high risk play but I'm going to try to make it we're up 3-1 we're dominating these guys and in a playoff series that momentum can switch really fast especially for a team like Boston I have so much respect for the Boston Bruins and it was always so hard to go in there and play I never played a playoff series there I imagine it would have been phenomenal and almost a bloodbath you would have liked to maybe see Boston last night I don't even care what like what happens you're out of the game just start creating havoc this is still hockey here just drop the gloves start running guys over whatever it is i don't i don't care what it is throw some balls yeah boys come on like that's what you that's what you'd want to see right you want to get a little reckless get a little tom wilson on your squad or something like that but boston can get into this if buffalo sits back and think it's good there's going to be a cakewalk and they're just going to win the Series 4-1, it's going to be easy.

53:05You know, I think they'll have a – they'll be in for a little bit of a surprise.

53:08Pat McAfee:So you're saying maybe the Bruins did that on purpose. They say, you know what, let's let them win by a loss. So then they think mentally that they're so much better and Austin will start relaxing and all of a sudden, boom, we're putting sticks to teeth like Jack Hughes had in the Olympics. And that's kind of what Zadarov did yesterday as well. You know, Rasmus Dahlin, their captain, he came across the middle after, you know, after a whistle and Big Z basically said, you know what you son of a bitch how's this cross check feel bang and they got into it okay i like that i also appreciate the fact that you hockey player go hey boys you're getting killed at least fight yeah you know like at least do something here in the playoffs you have to like you have to make an impact like every time you're on the ice you should you should make as like a forward for me i want whatever defenseman i'm gonna go against like i want him to be petrified that the second he touches the puck i'm coming full speed and i don't care what happens we're like maybe we both get hurt it doesn't matter but like that's kind of the the mentality you have to have in a playoff series right yeah i mean yeah we certainly i don't know that because i've never played in a playoff series it does appear to be that way though that every team that wins has that mentality florida panthers last year i think in a game one or game two of some series they were either up or down by a bunch and the coach was miked up and he was like hey every time we're hitting them this is Seven-game series.

54:26Pat McAfee:Let's see how much their bodies can handle. And then your Capitals team. You just mentioned Tom Wilson. What a son of a bitch that guy. So handsome. So handsome. Good-looking guy. So attractive. And just such a bully. This guy is just a bully out there with dangles. Not supposed to be as talented as he is. Got to have that guy on your team, especially in hockey. I like the fact that you're like, yeah, that 2026, sports still stay in that? That's why hockey is incredible. Might be why plus 141 % in this modern time that we're in right now. D-Bot has a question for you about electricity. Yeah, my Panthers are out of it, so I haven't been that dialed in.

55:01But I did catch some of that Lightning-Canadians game. And that environment out there, I think it's the Bell Center, was unbelievable. The series has been incredible. Who do you have, I guess, coming out of that series when it's all said and done? All said and done, I got Tampa coming out of this series. And that's more so because of the playoff experience that they have. their veteran presence. Kucherov, I think, is going to start really heating up here. Hagel's been unbelievable this whole series. Montreal is one of those teams, you can even look at the Utah Mammoth, even Buffalo a little bit, that's so high, they can score so much.

55:38It's a little bit of this new age, not like the old school, I guess it's not even really old school, but like the Florida Panthers, like you just mentioned, they just bullied teams for the entire playoff series for two years in a row and won two Stanley Cups. I think Tampa can do that a little bit. I think Kucherov is an unbelievable player. I had Tampa as far as the path. We did a couple different power rankings. The path power rankings, I had Tampa, I believe, as my number two team. So I got Tampa coming out of this series. I think Montreal is improving every year. I don't think this is the year that they're going to be able to go all the way.

56:12I could be wrong there. but I think Tampa is a powerhouse and they just need to find their game. Looks like they found it in the third period last game.

56:20Pat McAfee:Man, if another Canadian franchise just gets knocked out of the playoffs, that'd be a real bummer. That'd be a real bummer. How about the refs wanting Edmonton gone? Crazy. What did you see last night? What did you see last night? How do you feel about it? Let's get a ruling from TJ Oshie officially. In my eyes, dumb eyes, I don't play hockey. I can't really skate, but that is a goal. And that would be the end of the game in overtime, actually, if that was ruled a goal. Initially, no ruling. It was kind of blown dead. Then the refs, potentially looking up at the Jumbotron while kind of chatting, rule it a goal.

56:52Pat McAfee:Then they go to review. The ruling on the ice has already been deemed a goal, so they have to conflict that in the review to overturn it. They end up saying, it is a goal. Anaheim goes crazy. They are now up 3-1 in the series over McJesus and the boys of Edmonton. TJ, your thoughts on it all? And it was a goal, right? I mean, it felt like that if we were to use deductive reasoning from where the puck was sitting under Jari's skate, Tristan Jari, great penguin for a while. Sure. Forgot how to play goalie for us. Seems like he did get it back up there for Edmonton. Do you think this is a goal? What is your thoughts, TJ, and how should we be viewing this?

57:29So I think common sense says it's a goal, right? I don't understand, based on the positioning of the ref, when the puck goes across what we assume is across the red line. so there's the linesman here on the flip side there's a referee I don't see how he sees that it's a goal maybe from his angle he's above the goal line so maybe he can see a little white and that's why it becomes a goal but he didn't call it a goal originally that this was going to stand with whatever they made the call on the ice if they would have called no goal on the ice this would have still been a no goal call I believe unless the refs have some unbelievable camera angle that we don't see.

58:06I don't think they do. I think it's a goal. I don't see how they call it a goal. It's very confusing. This is usually pretty straightforward. The referee must have seen a little bit of white as he was skating down the goal line. Iman Shumpert behind the red line in front of the puck. Otherwise, I don't see how you call it a goal. I had one against this like this in 2016 against Pittsburgh. It was in overtime. It was a wraparound. I didn't even see it go in. It looked like it could go in. I just started cheering. There's no way anyone on the ice, any ref could have called it a goal. But our whole bench cleared like we won and they called it a goal.

58:45And then eventually it was just a good goal. And we won an OT against your boy.

58:49Pat McAfee:You win the mob, obviously. You win Rome. That is what they say. So celebrating right in the face of somebody and then getting a call has to be great. McDavid skates over to the boys. He goes, uh-uh, lads. No way. There's no way you were able to see that that was a goal under Tristan Jari's thing. In the end, they, after review with each other, talking to each other before making a ruling, decide it's a goal. There is a chance that they looked up. You know, there is a chance that the Jumbo... I don't know how quickly Jumbotron was running replay, but whenever they're doing that discussion to kind of figure out what the hell is going on.

59:19Pat McAfee:There is a chance that one of them looks up and goes, boys, it's a goal. It is clearly a goal out there. We don't know the process. It seems like you don't really trust the process, but in the end, potentially the right call was made. Anaheim goes up 3-1. Is that an accurate take on your take? That's an accurate take. I think everyone can see that it's a goal. I don't see how they have the proof that it's a goal or that someone saw it. I would love for a referee to come out and just do an interview real quick I can be like, yeah, I saw the white behind the puck. It was a goal. We call it a goal on the ice.

59:52And you can't prove otherwise on the video. It'd be great to have something like that.

59:56Pat McAfee:I love the drama. I love the controversy. Our refs don't do post-game interviews here. They got a pool reporter. Maybe they would have got a quote for that where they would have said, it's a goal. Review said it was a goal. We move on. Anaheim's up 3-1, so you guys down the road. That's kind of how the NFL refs would have to operate. Sounds like the NHL is doing the same. The hockey playoffs are electrifying. TJ, you've been great on TV. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to watch you and for joining us today. Thank you for the time. Thanks, boys. Appreciate you guys. Hey, good flow, lad.

1:00:25Pat McAfee:Fantastic. Excellent, lettuce. Let's go. You still skate or no? Not since my last game. Nope. Nope. Actually? Seriously? No, I haven't. No, it's been almost two years. Yeah, almost two years to the day. Probably getting close. Okay, so I stopped kicking balls as soon as I was done. I'm like, I'm done with it. I'm not. I'm not going to do it. I don't want to continue to hurt my leg but also I just want to kind of close that entire chapter and just kind of move on is that what you're doing or you just got sick of lacing up the boot no I miss it so much I live in Minnesota now I can get in a solid game there's retired NHLers all over the place I'm too much of a band-aid my back would probably go out one back check I'm in the training room but there's no training room anymore there's no training room I'm too much of a band-aid Go to the hospital.

1:01:15Too much of a Band-Aid voice.

1:01:17Pat McAfee:You hockey people are the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Stanley Cup champion, Band-Aid, TJ Oshie. Too much of a Band-Aid. Love that. Former nail gun. Used to be. What do you take? Seven straight penalty shots? At least. At least. What Olympics was that? Sochi, right? Sochi against Russia, I thought. Yeah. Jack or whatever. TJ Oshie is in the morning. We're watching. Here he comes again, Mr. America. Bang. Dang, he was on that Washington team now that obviously. Yeah. Had a battle against the Pens. Sid's still doing it. He showed his respect. I appreciate that. Hockey's bringing it. If you haven't watched, you need to.

1:01:54Pat McAfee:It is fantastic. Speaking of fantastic, we'll try to find that next hour. Be your friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.

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1:03:38Pat McAfee:Carathoners going crazy. Soccer players punching people in the face. I mean, sports is delivering at an all-time high. F1 Miami. The pinnacle. I thought you were an F1 guy. I didn't do that. There was someone back there. Come on, man. It makes money. F1 and done, hopefully. Nope. Are we in the middle end of the season? Back after a long, long break. Had five weeks off, I believe. Five weeks off? Well, well. They had to cancel a couple. They had a wartime break. They had a couple. They had a couple. Good point. Okay, a lot going on. They're back. Going on. Happy F1's back. F1's happening. If they're not filming a sequel to that F1 movie, there's really no need to check in on F1 until they start doing that again.

1:04:22Pat McAfee:That's the talk stable. That's the talk. That's Connor and that's Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys AP Tone is here. And F1 Enthusiast, nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. Hell yeah. They're getting into golf. Are you going out? Golf's happening. Oh, the Fitzsies. Yeah, Fitzsies. I watched that down in New Orleans, the Zurich Classic. It was team golf. I think it was alternating shot. The Fitzpatrick brothers actually win it. Younger brother of older brother Fitz that we actually know. He now earns his tour card because him and his brother win a PGA event. It was beautiful.

1:04:52Pat McAfee:That's a wonderful story. Something that we probably wouldn't have paid much attention to because it seems like a gimmick. You got two on two on two on two. It's like I appreciate that. Are they doing a scramble alternate shot? The Fitzpatrick boys end up at 31 under to win the Zurich Classic as younger brother Fitz joins older brother Fitz on the PGA Tour and also select events or heightened events or elevated events because he's a winner. And old Fitzy here has been crushing this year. He's been top five in, like, everything. They're talking about the amount of money that he has earned, but it's also like he is about to break.

1:05:25Pat McAfee:This might be the one here. You know, Scotty Scheffler obviously going through what Scotty Scheffler's going through. His swing's different. He's yada, yada. He's still Scotty Scheffler. Who's going to compete with him every week whenever he's playing? I think Fitzy's becoming the guy that people can depend upon. And now his little brother's getting into the action because of him. That's a beautiful thing coming out of sports. Once again, sports is the greatest. 18th hole, tied up. What are you going to do with your second shot, Fitz? I'll put it to six inches for my brother to tap that thing in so he can join me on tour.

1:05:53Pat McAfee:Dreams coming true, sports being great. Joining us now live from Manatic in Ohio is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawker. What's going on, Hawker? Not much. What a chip right there. Could you think you could do that when it comes to 18? You know, a lot of ground to cover, a lot of sand to cover, and put it there, what, four inches, six inches? Yeah, so I've found that if it's like a fairway bunker or one of these longer bunker shots, I'm going to be in trouble. I can get it up and out. I can't get it up and down and out.

1:06:23Pat McAfee:You know, that's kind of my problem. They say, well, you've just got to change where you're hitting it in the sand. It's like to win the tourney for your brother to live his dream. Right now, what do you got, pal? absolute nails perfection to see what if he chips that in obviously not as good i guess as little brother tapping at home to kind of send him on his road yeah sports are incredible aj we obviously just chatted about the draft a bit what's your big takeaway from the nfl draft after you've analyzed it here for a few days obviously three days of spectacular stuff in pittsburgh 805 000 people have come and gone not unique humans in the nfl draft experience as a whole it was special week, I feel like, in Pittsburgh, and maybe every single kid drafted is going to be a Hall of Famer, AJ.

1:07:03Pat McAfee:Congrats to them. Congrats to them. Chances are that probably won't happen, but yeah, we hope there's a good chunk of them that will make it to the Hall of Fame, but I think I said it during the show. I said Friday, the Giants, I felt like their draft obviously did very well with Harbaugh his first year as a head coach. I think New York in general. I think the Jets, if you look at the Hall that those guys got, what, David Bailey, They got Sadiq. I believe they got Pons as well, Omar Cooper Jr. I think this is a pretty solid draft class, especially picking up Cade Clubnick. Was that the fourth round they picked him up?

1:07:36You never know what he's going to be.

1:07:37Pat McAfee:Yeah, and I don't want to just compound it a little bit because it is the Jets, and I assume their fans are thinking there has to be some disaster around the corner, even though good things is happening. No leaks either. Sportsbooks had no idea who the second overall pick was going to be. I think that's great news. You go back to the graphic about the stats of the NFL draft as a whole. Congrats to SEC. That's SEC. SEC. SEC. SEC. Most draft picks for the 20th straight year, whatever the SEC has the draft as a whole. Night one, though, Big Ten won the evening and first rounders. And Ohio State ends up with 11 draft picks from their football team.

1:08:17Pat McAfee:Congrats, AJ. Wow. Over there. Thanks. That's the best recruiting tool you can have, though. We all know that. You show how many guys you put into the NFL pipeline. That's what gets those young guys coming to your school. Almost every school got somebody drafted except for a few. Oh, no. Who didn't make it? I'll tell you, they're saying mean stuff about Belichick and Lombardi right now. Whoa. Come on. They got to build it. Come on, you're. I'm just saying they're saying it. I'm not saying it. I'm telling you, they're just saying it. Mountaineers? Well, none of their recruits are really draft eligible yet, though, right?

1:08:49Correct. Yeah, that's what they're saying.

1:08:50Pat McAfee:That's what Belichick and Lombardi are certainly saying. What other people are saying is, oh, I thought this was the 33rd NFL team. Come on. It's what a lot of people are saying. It is tough when you call yourself the 33rd NFL team and then you don't have anybody drafted. Yeah, people are saying a lot of mean stuff. That's the approach. And they're bringing up a lot of stuff. He was being supportive this weekend, and everybody was kind of burying him. I don't like that one bit. You know what I'm saying, AJ? Yeah, I saw that. I wasn't exactly sure. You're never sure what is AI and what is not when you're out there on the Internet.

1:09:20But, yeah, we all need a supportive spouse, don't we? Exactly. You've got to support your partners.

1:09:25Pat McAfee:You'd hope for one at least. You'd hope for that to be the case, absolutely. West Virginia had no draft picks. That'll change. Oh, yeah. Trust the client. That's not Armando. Similar situation. Rod's got to get his guys. Bingo. We're finding him. I can't imagine. Not a one. But that's because everybody went back because they wanted to build it. Yeah, bingo. You can take credit for Trotter. Yeah, you could. He did throw another school, yeah. Nope. Left for good reason. Couldn't imagine not putting out a draft pick. What are you guys doing? UConn had a guy drafted? Yeah. We're letting the call finalists.

1:09:56Skylar Bell. Joey. Max Bean to bottom. All right. Mr. Fanano. CJ Donaldson got drafted. Well, CJ Donaldson got drafted too, so that's kind of.

1:10:05Pat McAfee:Yeah, that's a West Virginia guy. We got a lot of guys. Trotter, Donaldson, all these guys. Kevin Brons would have been a first round. Yeah, we got five guys getting drafted in the first 15 picks in about three, four years because they're all sticking around. And guess what they're going to have on their fingers? National Championship ring. Bingo. That's right. And Cal. They got really big rings. Yeah, and they're going through the draft thing. Yeah, absolutely. Let's pivot away from the draft, and let's move to a brand new segment. Ladies and gentlemen, we are so incredibly lucky to get a chance to chat with so many people on this particular program.

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1:11:20Pat McAfee:LeBron James looks like he's back to 2006. LeBron James of this Los Angeles Lakers. Last night, they weren't hitting shots early. Thought it was going to be a long night for them. It was. Obviously, Luka and Austin have been injured. It's been LeBron's time alongside his son, Bronny. When should we expect Luka and Austin to return, and how do we feel about the Lakers as a whole? Yeah, Austin Reeves, we'll see the next couple days how he feels. He could play on Wednesday. That's game five. He was a game-time decision game three and game four. So there was a chance he was going to play. But listen, he had a grade two oblique strain.

1:11:53So four to six weeks, that four-week period, that's coming up here closer at the end of this week. So I think game five very much well within realm for him. Luka Doncic, though, not returning in this series. The expectation would be he continues to ramp up. He's starting to do more on the court, J.J. Reddick said yesterday. And so we'll see second round if the Lakers are able to advance. that's really where his timeline could open up. And, you know, as the series progresses in the second round, we could get updates. And then elsewhere, Pat, in that series, Kevin Durant, he's missed three of four games in this series.

1:12:25He had a knee injury. Then he's got an ankle sprain. I was told yesterday that he has a bone bruise diagnosed as well in that ankle. And in season, I've dealt with reporting out Kevin Durant when he has a bone bruise in his ankle. It's usually a couple of weeks when he has a bone bruise in that ankle because it leads to stiffness and swelling and lack of mobility. I think the Rockets are preparing to play without him the next game as well. And you think about the young core that this Rockets team is trotting out, Reed Shepard, Amen Thompson, Alperin Sangoon, Jabari Smith Jr. They're actually, they played 61 minutes so far this postseason.

1:12:58They've actually outscored the Lakers by 31 points in those minutes. So I think leaning on that young core is what the Rockets will probably look to do here moving forward.

1:13:06Pat McAfee:Last follow-up about that particular series before we move to the next, and his champs drive by. They need a hot pie. KD, it felt like there was some confusion maybe in the reporting of where he was. Maybe his team didn't know where he was. And then I see him wearing camouflage on the bench immediately after all that reporting. What was going on with all that, and why was there so much conjecture, if you will? Yeah, I mean, I think any time you have Kevin Durant on your team, there's going to be a lot of conjecture just because he's a lightning rod. I mean, you think about guys like him, Steph Curry, LeBron James.

1:13:35These are looked at as the greatest players of this generation. and obviously Kevin Durant, whether it's in Brooklyn and Phoenix and now in Houston, there's always going to be chatter about how he does, how he fares ever since he left Golden State. But I reported yesterday he was at the Rockets facility. He was doing treatment there. He was working with the team's medical staff. They had multiple team meetings over the course of the day. He was a part of all that. So as far as I know, as far as I've reported, he has been 100 % a member of everything the Rockets are doing, at least off the court.

1:14:04He's just not able to do much on the court right now.

1:14:06Pat McAfee:We hope we see him back soon. Obviously, the Slim Reaper is an absolute stallion. Watching LeBron do what he's been doing, fantastic. Can he close out the series? That'd be cool. They were going to go for a sweep. It's unreal. It's unreal what LeBron is doing right now. At 41 years old, year 23, they were a heavy, heavy underdog going into the series. Whether you have Kevin Durant or not, I think a lot of people clearly felt like Houston was going to win this series. And so you take away, you know, I guess the last couple of games, right, with Kevin Durant being out with the bone brews, even still, the Lakers went up 2-0.

1:14:41They went up 3-0 in commanding, commanding fashion. And LeBron James, the way he's playing, it's like a lot of it is like, hey, I can be that guy. I can be that dude.

1:14:50Pat McAfee:There's a guy listening right now that will be joining us shortly after here at the Shams Drive-By that I hope just heard what you were just saying right there because there's been a lot of – LeBron James is certainly in the conversation of who could be in the Mount Rushmore basketball. But there's been a GOAT. A lot of these stats that are going to come out, it's going to be tough to argue against. And if he wins this series, like Big Perk said, carry on with this entirety. Let's move on in the Shams drive-by. Go ahead, D-Buzz. Yeah, staying with the stats and maybe even a GOAT conversation at some point.

1:15:20Jokic, he at the end of the game, down 3-1 now against the Timberwolves. He obviously had a little scrum with McDaniels. Any fallout from that with Joker and Nuggets? Yeah, no real discipline. We got two fines. Nikola Jokic was fined$50 ,000. Julius Randle was fined$35 ,000. I think the NBA interviewed everyone involved here, Jokic, Jaden McGann, et cetera, officials. They reviewed all the footage. There were a couple players really on both sides of the team. You have Aaron Gordon, Jonas Valanciunas on the Nuggets side. You have Rudy Gobert and Bones Highland on the other side that kind of got off the bench and were kind of in the vicinity, but no one that really impacted the altercation.

1:16:02So the NBA 20 years ago, Amari Stoudemire, I'm sure listeners remember, he got suspended for leaving the bench area. He wasn't participating in altercation with Steve Nash, but he was getting off the bench and he got suspended. The NBA since kind of loosened that up a little bit as long as you're not interfering. But, you know, thankfully, and I think it's good for the game, you kind of move on from that. You find these guys and you keep it moving. Nicole Jokic clearly felt a certain type of way. And now the Nuggets, they're down 3-1. I don't think anyone saw this coming going into the series.

1:16:33Nuggets had home court. And now going into game five tonight, two massive injuries to Minnesota. Dante DiVincenzo out for the season, torn Achilles tendon. In the first half on Saturday night, the Wolves lost Dante DiVincenzo to a torn Achilles. And then Anthony Edwards hyperextended his knee. I think the fear with the term was immediately was ACL, PCL, MCL, one of the ligaments. Thankfully, he's avoided any ligament damage. But listen, this is an injury, bone bruise, hyperextension. He's going to be out at minimum two weeks. It's really just nebulous based on how his rehab goes, two weeks, three weeks.

1:17:13But they're hopeful. If they can get past this series, potentially get him back later on in the playoffs.

1:17:19Pat McAfee:Nebulous is certainly a way to describe it. That's probably what I would say. I watched it live happen. Oh, God. That was disgusting. I don't know how he didn't – because he's so athletic and he flies so far. And then he's turning and he lands backwards and his knee just – I mean, you watch it just kind of go on top of each other. It was disgusting. I don't even want to show it. We made the decision not to show it because of how nasty it kind of looks. It is very nebulous. I mean, think about it. You lose your starting backcourt. Hazy, vague, or indistinct. I don't know how that works. I'm just learning the definition of nebulous.

1:17:55Pat McAfee:It was not what I thought it was. I thought nebulous was lucky. I thought it was like he got lucky out there. No, it's hazy. It's hazy. It's moving around. It's fluid. Could Anthony Edwards come back in two weeks? I think he's a Wolverine. He's a fast healer. He's a Wolverine. You're down for the playoffs. It could be longer. So they don't know. It's all about the rehab. but three games now Denver could have a chance to win here if they went out this series. You're playing without your starting backcourt. It's just completely unforeseen turn of events for the Wolves. Yeah, it sucks. This is kind of professional sports as a whole, especially basketball.

1:18:32Pat McAfee:I don't know how they don't get injured all the time. Wood, running, how long the season is. Best of seven. If you can stay healthy, you can win it all. That's why Pacers game seven last year, finals. Tyrese is going to score 60 points maybe. Be an NBA legend forever. We're going to win it in Oklahoma City. I watched an E60 thing on Oklahoma City and Indiana, how much it was about. It was an incredible story, especially of Oklahoma City fans, how much they showed up and how great it was. But boy, we're supposed to win that injury, take us down. It's happened in the NBA. Seemingly is the story.

1:19:00Pat McAfee:Anthony Edwards, obviously a bummer. Luca, obviously a bummer in this entire thing. Somehow a 41-year-old is still going. I don't want to keep taking it back to that, but that is still an incident. And then even tonight, this is a big game five, but even tonight for Denver, Aaron Gordon has a calf strain. It's a pretty bad strain of that calf. And he sat out game three, gutted out game four. We know this guy is tough as nails. He played through a grade two hamstring strain in game seven last year against Oklahoma City, just to gut it out. And he labored through it in game four. But I'm told he's expected to be out tonight.

1:19:31He wants to play. I think the team's going to have to protect him from himself. And so you think about Aaron Gordon, he's their leader, he's their emotional leader, he's their glue piece. And so you're probably, if you're the Nuggets, preparing to be without him tonight, and then a massive game five. You're facing elimination at home.

1:19:47Pat McAfee:Does that say 10-30? Yes. Yes, it does. Oh, my. What the fuck are we doing? We can't be bad. We're happy in three days. It's like March Madness. Right. Yeah, we get one after another. We get one after another. Okay, last question as a Shams drive-by has certainly gone longer than a hot five. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Shams, Wemby was a bit nebulous when he was talking about his concussion protocol when it came to the games. I wasn't really sure what he was getting at. Can you elaborate a bit on that? And is this series over? Can we just kind of write it off as good try, Portland? Yeah, point blank period.

1:20:26Victor Womanyama and the Spurs believed he was cleared to play in game three. Wemby, he said it to Malik Andrews after the game. He was unhappy. Like, he was pissed. He was frustrated he wasn't able to play in game three. And I think that's where a lot of the frustration goes. But listen, the reality is concussion protocol, you have to get sign-off from your own team doctors, which supposedly happened on Friday. But then you also got to get sign-off from the league. And there's a league concussion protocol director that's involved here too. So Victor Roman Yama obviously aired out his frustrations about it.

1:20:56He didn't want to go too in-depth, but I'm here to tell you guys, he felt he was cleared to play Friday. He felt like the Spurs doctors had cleared him to play. And that's why the frustration comes into play when the league decides he wasn't. But listen, even when he was cleared on Sunday, it was 116-ish hours post-concussion. And so, you know, the league, you know, if you're going to clear a guy three days post-concussion, that is a quick recovery. But listen, there's a reason why Wemby is called the alien. This guy is just, it's insane how quick he moves and he heals and his body and his limbs.

1:21:29Like, he's a different specimen.

1:21:31Pat McAfee:I actually thought the floor was going to get dented instead of his head, you know, and his brain. Because he ate shit there pretty good. I mean, that was some real – he ate wood there. How did he not fracture his jaw? That's seven feet. No facial issues. That's seven feet. That is from right here, right? If we count his head just being in proportion to his body, that's probably seven feet above the sky, running full speed, down into the thing, eats it. And then he was like, I was cleared the next game. I don't know what we're talking about. I love the way he operates. Just like I appreciate you.

1:22:04Pat McAfee:Ladies and gentlemen, that is Shamsha Rania. Yeah, Shami.

1:22:15Pat McAfee:Okay, thank you, Shamsi. See you, brother. See you, brother. That was deep diving into a couple different things. Some things need to be explained, AJ. You know what I'm talking about? And to do a little bit more of that, we got an NBA champ, an absolute stallion, a stud, an analyst on ESPN, and a guy who should be on TV more, Iman Shumper. Yeah, Shamsi. My gosh. what's going on. Okay, so you just listened to all of that from Shams. It was supposed to be faster than it was, but we had to dive into some stuff to get some more information. Now to you, 41 year old doing what he's doing. They just got their asses beat.

1:22:48Pat McAfee:Okay, I understand that that happened. They almost swept the Rockets, but they don't inevitably keep the entire series alive. How should we be viewing this Lakers team and what LeBron's doing? And Iman, I don't see any Jordan stuff. You know, it seems to be eerily missing from the frame over there. I'm on the road right now. You caught me on the road. I ain't got no control over it right now. I'm just the ESPN guy right now. But LeBron and what they got going on, I didn't expect them. It was going to be a hit or miss game, that game four. It's hard to beat any team four times and just send somebody home.

1:23:28But the way they've had to do it, LeBron has had to find different ways to manufacture points using his team that he's got available right now. But Marcus Smart has played with a ridiculous amount of energy, a ridiculous amount of passion. I figured either they come out still rolling on that cloud or they come out and they lay an egg. And, you know, they came out and lay an egg, which is OK when you're on the road because you only wanted to steal one on the road anyway. As far as the Lakers are concerned, they did their job when they were in Houston. Now you come back to LA and you can close it up for game five.

1:24:04So I think that the Lakers are right where they want to be.

1:24:06Pat McAfee:Okay, let's stay in the West because obviously there's one team that's potentially in the middle of a dynasty. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Shump, OKC is dominating the Suns, which is not completely shocking, but they're also dominating the internet with hate. The internet hates OKC, and it's a flopping thing. It's a lot of stuff. Should we actually hate OKC or are they just really good at basketball? I think that's what winning does winning pisses people off if it's not happening for their city um i talked about it before on on some other shows that it's amazing how much now i could look back and just really say man it was great playing against that that golden state team but when it was happening oh i hated them and i was cool with everybody that hated them uh that's what's special about basketball uh you get 48 minutes to hate whatever team whatever emotions you get to harbor you know these are a bunch of great guys you know that the more you hate them when you have to root against them the more you would accept them and value them if they came to your city and played for your team so i think that the okc thunder are exhibiting exactly what the champions should you either are with them or you are against them either way you feel something when you look at this team because they play defense there's five guys up to touch pressure all game and honestly when their bench comes in, I think that the defense goes up a notch.

1:25:27So you're dealing with duress the whole game. Then you had the whole thing where they're saying that, you know, SGA gets the whistle. And I was completely shocked to see him game three go out there and play with that much emotion and screaming and yelling all around because he said he doesn't really need the foul. And I would like to see that continue as the playoff goes.

1:25:46Pat McAfee:I think a lot of people are saying that like, hey, you don't need to be the foul merchant. You are a good enough player. I think he goes, what, eight for eight or something like that? Yeah, he started the game unbelievable. He goes crazy. And you're talking about him yelling. I love the emotion. Anytime somebody at the top gets emotional, it almost just shows that they care. When somebody's super cool and has been there before, I respect it. I'm like, wow, this is a professional. But whenever they get excited, I'm like, ah, see, deep down, this is life or death for them. And it's very clear with how SGA plays that he's a stud.

1:26:14Pat McAfee:But, boy, it is easy to not like them, especially as a Pacer fan. They were spectacular last year. Maybe they go on a run again. The Western Conference feels like it's the story. We talk Lakers. We talk OKC. And then they got an alien. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, Sean, what about the Spurs? We talk about Wemby all the time. And last night on the broadcast, we're talking about Area 51, Castle lobbing it up to Wemby over and over again. I guess, do you see anybody slowing this down? I guess in the first half, Drew Holiday had some success on Wemby, really just never giving him any space. But how do you stop this whole situation in San Antonio?

1:26:50Well, you don't really stop it. It's more a pick your poison thing. I think you have to play way more efficient when you play San Antonio. I think that your offense has to kind of be your defense as well and vice versa. You have to take good shots on offense to make sure that your floor is balanced so that you can deal with their attack on the breakaway because not only do they have the attack on the breakaway, but then they have now the lateral pass now made to Wimby, who's also going to attack downhill. or come to set that drag ball screen to get you into more actions that you have to deal with him at the rim.

1:27:27You have to have a tag man that gives them an open side on the three. Everything that the Spurs do keeps pressure on you. So to play against them, you have to be a team that can basically mimic or mirror them. And they haven't run into that. They won't run into that until OKC.

1:27:42Pat McAfee:OK, so they're going to run into OKC at some point. Are we talking about Spurs winning title? if they can get past that uh that thing they they call uh the mvp over there uh the way sga performs at the end of games needs to be studied because he goes possession by possession he turns it into a chess game it's just so many people don't get a chance to really study that or watch it because the okc thunder will go out there and convincingly win a game to where he doesn't even have to pull it out. But when you watch them go at the end of close games, you really do watch him turn into exactly what they need to get done.

1:28:25J-Dub not being healthy and them continuing success in the postseason like this is something to smile about. But even when he gets back, that's even more for OKC to come out here and be a threat. So until the Spurs are able to get a game against them for us to actually gauge it, I still think the monster in the West is okay.

1:28:49Pat McAfee:Yeah, and the torture chamber was trending this weekend. He's a problem. He's a problem. They're saying he's twitchy. He's a little twitchy. His leg gets a little twitchy. He's the torture chamber. He was a problem. I mean, last playoffs. The torture chamber is crazy. That's what they were calling him. He was playing the Pacers. He was just eliminating people from games. It's like, who the hell is this guy? That's the torture chamber. You get locked in there. You're never coming out. It's like it did feel like that. And all of a sudden the torture chamber started getting arms and legs. And he wasn't just keeping it inside the vehicle.

1:29:21Pat McAfee:No, he's not. They're saying they're letting that leg get out, dude. I appreciate it. They're showing a recap of all his shots. Him shooting and kicks that foot out. And making the shots. It's like, that's incredible. That would be cool. Well, I mean, they do teach you to fall forward. You're not supposed to stick your leg out you are supposed to put your whole body out there though it's the john shire john shire used to do it at duke him and kyle singla used to do it to us all the time we used to hate it they shoot the shot and they let their whole body fall forward and then stand completely straight so that if you do touch them they'll fall off balance and that's just one more but they've completely finished their shot so he's actually doing that he just splits his stance to make it a bigger stance so that he could get a foul i think he's going for a foul i don't think he's going for hurting people.

1:30:09I would hope that my boy is just going for the extra point at the free throw line. He ain't getting it all the time, or really nearly any other time, but I hope that that's what he's going for, and not hurting people.

1:30:21Pat McAfee:Anybody that's looking for a four-point play, I respect. Let's go to the East. Jason Tatum just had a four-point play for the Celtics, and also what he's doing, spectacular. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Sean, we're talking about the West. It feels like the only team in the East that, you know, can basically make a run is the Boston Celtics and what Jason Tatum doing personally, I think is the greatest thing in sports right now, save the marathon runner who just broke two. But with the Celtics, with what you're seeing from them, this might be the deepest team they've ever had. They typically, even when they went and won the finals a couple of years ago, they didn't have the bench that they currently have right now.

1:30:54Pritchard went bananas as well. What are you seeing from Tatum? Do you and all your other NBA champion buddies in a group text talk about how ridiculous it is that he's doing this less than a year off in the Achilles. And do you see the Celtics as being the biggest contender to that OKC or Spurs that are going to come out of the West? Yeah, I think that Boston is obviously one of those teams that isn't worried about the West as much as, you know, the rest of the Eastern Conference teams. I think we were trying to see who could possibly win the East, and if they come out of the East, that would be okay.

1:31:30But then we were heavy on the West. I think Boston is the one team that can make this a good series and I think that they are the guaranteed team at the moment, at least from what my eyes see, are the only team that could come out of the East. I wanted it to be the Knicks. I would love to be in New York when it's hot outside. You know what I'm saying? New York in June, that would be amazing, but I can't see New York doing it this year just because of like what you were saying you have to be able to play 10. i don't feel like new york goes as deep especially not with the trust uh their trust lies at the top of their roster um and i'm talking about the very top i mean jalen brunson exclusively especially at the end of games to manufacture offensive points uh and and with broken plays i think he's the only one really willing to accept that pressure besides og and an ob uh they they get Carl Anthony Towns involved and when Cat's involved, I think especially in this series it's going to pay off, but in the later rounds, I just can't see it as much for the Knicks as I want to, man.

1:32:42I just see Boston being able to match up because they have a deeper bench, because they live and die from three. A lot of teams go out here and they try and give you a healthy diet of just playing the right way. Boston puts the pressure on you to play like them, otherwise they're going to be successful at the end. It's a numbers game.

1:33:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, and Boston also, I mean, it's not going to get talked about enough. Lethal Shooter. Uh-huh. I don't think I've seen them hit the rim since Lethal Shooter has come out there. And also, Peyton Pritchard, what is his problem? He's just... I think it all started with that Reggie Miller. The Reggie Miller quote happened. Kaitlin kind of, you know, turned her face up at it a little bit. Yeah. And I think he has to go out here and remind him so I think that that's where the looking at Reggie was confirmed during this game but Peyton Pritchard since he's come in the league has had this gifted ability to say at the end of the shot clock at the end of the game clock at the end of the quarter if you don't want to mess your percentage up give it to me and I'll figure it out it's some of the most exciting stuff in basketball I don't know why more players don't chase that moment I think it provides a tremendous amount of momentum going into the next quarter.

1:33:59And I think Peyton Pritchard has kind of mastered that play to the point that now it becomes a weapon against other teams. Other teams, when they have an end-of-quarter shot, you always are thinking about him, even though you have a Jason Tatum and a Jalen Brown on the court. So what Boston is able to cook up with the way he's been playing has been incredible.

1:34:19Pat McAfee:Yeah, Peyton and TJ McConnell battling last year was a nice little battle of bread. You know what I mean? That was a good little Mayo battle. 32 points in game four off the bench for Peyton Pritchard. Six three points made. Both of them are threes made. Those are both career high in a postseason game. Only Kevin McHale, 34, on May 17, 1991, has scored more points as a Boston Reserve in a postseason game. I like the word reserve there. It's being used in a tweet in 2026. I like the way that operates. Yeah, no turnovers and no free throws. He got all 32 of those. The hard way. The hard way. Real buckets.

1:34:56Yeah, real. Real buckets. Exactly. And by the way, it's crazy that we have to highlight this game as a Peyton Pritchard game when Jason Tatum just quietly poured in 30. 11 and 7. Off an Achilles. 11 and 7. Yeah, off the Achilles. And the satisfying part for me as a basketball player, especially as a player that has gone through a ton of injuries, I have watched him come back play with confidence trust his body still not have the lift to go out here and punch it on somebody's head the way he once did uh not having that pop not being able to stop on the dime as quick as he once was stopping and still being able to have his way with this league can only be uh more than satisfying it's got to make your mouth water if you're jason tatum to say i don't even have my whole i'm not even 110 yet i kind of am like 80 and i'm still 30 10 and 7 better than y 'all it that's the part that's encouraging for me especially if i'm in a boston uniform to be able to look side to side and say we got a measly 20 from jaylen brown today Like, that's a chill.

1:36:17He didn't do much.

1:36:18Pat McAfee:Hey, Amon, doesn't this always kind of happen to these Boston teams somehow? There's always some bullshit. But they just get a really good team. Yeah, but also, like, this guy recovered faster than anybody in the history of Achilles, of course. Changed the game. Of course. It's a Boston thing. Now, obviously, Daniel Jones went to the same doctor, I do believe, as Jason Tatum. So, I'm excited for him, what he's about to do. We'll see. Yeah, he can punch on folks, though, because he's got a little bit more time. Tatum was rehabbing three times a day. We'll see if Tyrese and Dan Jones and all these guys are putting in as much work.

1:36:48Don't it put a lot of pressure? It put a lot of pressure on Tyrese. Don't it? Seeing Jason Tatum play like this, just put a little pressure on him, man. It's crazy because it's a long road coming back from an injury like that.

1:37:00Pat McAfee:And then when shingles drops in? Yeah, right. Have you heard about this? Do you know anything about shingles at all? Uh-uh. I'm learning about it through Tyrese. It's the worst. I don't know how we – let's make sure we never get that. I mean, he got this in the middle of his Achilles recovery. This shingles, I guess it's inside your body. I don't know how it gets activated. Something happens. But basically, I think it's like nerves are telling his skin that it's itchy. And it's like he can't sweat. I think there's medicine. I mean, it is a – this has been a really big battle. I think on the other side of this, if Tyrese is able to mentally continue to go – because he hasn't been able to do a lot of shit because the shingles – I think he got to his eye.

1:37:37Pat McAfee:Yeah, I don't doubt it. I think he goes from his head to his eye in this entire thing. It's like he's going to look. Was it like the medication side effect? I don't. The medication side effect made him look fat. Yeah, made him gain weight. That was a steroid that made him look fat, and they were calling him Hallaburger. They were saying that on the internet. Tyrese's. Which is very rude. But, like, they're trying to figure it out right now. Yeah, they were calling him Tyrese. They did. Yeah, double stuff. Yeah, with the Oreo. They were calling him fat, fat, Iman. We didn't like it because Tyrese is, like, super skinny guy, actually.

1:38:06Pat McAfee:But he's battling right now with that shingles. So I think if he mentally can get on the other side of this, I got absolute faith. But, yes, on that note, Jason Tatum is bringing me a lot of optimism for anybody that has an Achilles now in 2026. It feels like science has gotten to a good spot. Let's talk about tonight a little bit. There could be some massive storylines coming out of it. Go ahead, D-Butt. Yeah, Shump, you mentioned the Celtics. You mentioned your Knicks. Didn't even mention the Detroit Pistons up there to one seed, but kind of back against the ropes against these Orlando Magic down 2-1.

1:38:34They obviously face off tonight. Do you think the Magic can pull it off in advance past the Pistons? I don't know. I'm not as discouraged as everybody else because I know that if Cade Cunningham is turning the ball over, like I know Detroit can't win. So there's times that people may get a little panicky with them, but they have to understand, especially when watching this team throughout the year. That's how they play. They play at an unbelievable pace, but it all depends on Cade Cunningham. The decisions down the stretch, especially in a third-quarter setting, it seems like they come out of halftime, they look like they're lethargic, they don't really know what to do, and Cade Cunningham completely takes over the game, completely takes over the pace, and puts them in a position to win every night.

1:39:35He's had to do that on the back end of the season after having to sit out for the lung thing that happened. But everything that's going on with them, I feel like it's on schedule. The magic playing above and beyond with this type of passion, the defensive prowess, the know it all to run around and be everywhere. Like Anthony Black getting everywhere and being this active didn't happen all season. Paolo Bencaro being able to say every time we need a bucket I'm gonna now act like the seasoned veteran guy and take a one or two dribble pull up at my spot and knock it down and have no facial expression whatsoever if you would have told me all these things were gonna happen with Orlando with the season that they were having this year I would have told you hell no I can't go but right now what I'm seeing is wow we can play with Wagner down the stretch that can put some pressure on people having Desmond Bain be a shooter right there that's a threat that'll put pressure on people Paolo Ben Carroll not feeling like he got the weight of the world on his shoulders now that Wagner can handle because he's healthy that'll put some pressure on some people uh understanding that I still look at the number one seed like the number one seed and if they come out here and they win tonight okay now I'll understand that hey now you have a must-win situation but But until they go out here and go up in the series, right now I think that Detroit is just getting their bearings together and their understanding.

1:41:04Cade, we're putting a lot of pressure on you, but you kind of knew that was coming. Next game.

1:41:09Pat McAfee:Cade, I think nine turnovers last game. Obviously, that's not a fantastic thing. You have loved the Pistons since before the playoffs even started. I appreciate you keeping the faith with them. Allegedly, Coach Mosley of the Magic showed the boys highlights of themselves from college and reminded them of who they were, and that has shown them who they can be together. Yeah, allegedly. I believe that was the story in the middle of the play-in game. Yes, smart. After they lose the first one, it's like, hey, let's remember who we are here. They've certainly delivered in a big way. Tonight should be fantastic.

1:41:38Pat McAfee:Iman, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Anything we miss in there that you want to get off your chest? No, but in the words of my boy Shannon, man, I think it's going to be Lakers in five. I think it's going to be Lakers in five. I love that. I love everything about that. What would he say? He would say something about LeBron James, Rick James, fuck James, Lakers in five, I believe is what he would say. Yeah, but LeBron on the Lakers. He usually do somebody else. All right, let me hear one. Let me hear a good uncle. It got to be like KDLAPD.

1:42:20OP, are you with me? Lakers in five.

1:42:23Pat McAfee:I'm so legend, as are you. We appreciate the hell out of you, Iman Shumper. Hey, man, I appreciate the hell, man. Divorce, court, child support, Lou Dort, Lakers in five. That was the last one.

1:42:38Pat McAfee:He is the man. That's great. He is the man. He's so outrageous. And he is just what? Absolutely jacked. Oh, yeah. What a time to be alive. What a time to be in sports. The NBA playoffs are cooking right now. Hembo stat says the most underdog wins that there has been since 2014 in the first round. Because remember, we all thought it was going to be a very top-heavy type playoffs, especially with how it began. Instead, the teams have kind of found some parity, AJ. The NBA playoffs actually delivering, and you can't just automatically know what's going to happen in a game. Yeah, they are delivering.

1:43:11They've all been fun to watch, but is there a reason why? Why do we think the underdogs are having some success this year?

1:43:16Pat McAfee:Well, Lakers are now favorites, so I think that is obviously a huge ordeal. Which is wild with losing two studs with that much scoring, too. The fact that they're favorites is crazy. Yeah, favored by two and a half points. And I'll tell you, watching LeBron and Bronny was pretty special because they were showing a lot of old school Bron with Bron. Like, hey, this was just yesterday. And then now he's throwing oops to them in the middle of a playoff game as they take over like a 10-minute period of the game. It's unbelievable to talk about. It is – I feel like such a mark, you know, doing this.

1:43:51Pat McAfee:But I think we've been pretty open in why I respect and appreciate LeBron. I've seen him. I lived in the era. I'm 38. So, this is literally – he's three years old. I've literally watched him kind of the entirety of this. The sustainability, the amount of greatness, just kind of – the competitive spirit, just so many things about what he is a cop. It's outrageous. And I don't want to glaze him all day. but he's 41 about to win a playoff series by his damn self with who he created, his kid helping him out. It's like – it's a banana story. Can't forget he gave us the LeBronversation too, so that'll always rank right up there with it.

1:44:29But I think Rich Paul said it maybe on his podcast or his show, when most players come out, you know, what are your goals? What are you looking forward to? Most players want to provide for their family, get them out of situations. LeBron James has always been like, hey, I want to be the greatest. And to be doing this at this level, 23 years, we see LeBronie pictures, We see a bunch of coaches now on the sideline who have played against LeBron. Like, it's just insane. We've seen all-time greats, guards, big men, forwards, getting to pass year 15, you just fall off a cliff. And for him to still be contributing and producing at this level is insane.

1:45:00Pat McAfee:I saw the Oklahoma City team up close and personal. They're unbelievable in basketball. Okay, I agree with that. Watching Wemby here has been fun. Unbelievable. Crazy. Especially the fact that he's like, my brain was healed. They said it was, and I don't like that. Like, he is a dog. He's violent. Oh, yeah. That first pilot, that first. Punishing. And he hates OKC. This isn't like a rumor thing. Like him and Chet Holmgren actually have, I don't know if it's a two-sided beef, but in Wemby's brain, him and Chet Holmgren are deep, deep rivals. And so that'll be even better. NBA keeps cooking. NHL keeps cooking.

1:45:36Pat McAfee:We have to correct some news in the NFL. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter. Pickens didn't sign the franchise. So what happened? We all heard that he signed the franchise tag their day of draft. We reported it. I think everybody kind of reported it. What happened? This turns out it was a pump fake. It was in Invisible Inc. maybe. How's this kind of come together here? We reported he is signing. Not that he had signed. And the plan is him to sign. I'm just telling you. So I checked in this morning and he has not yet signed it, as Todd Archer pointed out.

1:46:14Not signed. I checked in and was told. I can read you the text. Basically, it says it was draft weekend. Signing the tag immediately wasn't first thing on his mind. I love this guy. Got him. He's the wild card. Yeah, I love this guy. He's kind of GP football.

1:46:34Pat McAfee:All right, we appreciate that, Lonnie. So we should operate as if he is going to sign, but it isn't signed. We said he is signing. We'll stand by he is signing, but he is not yet signing. All right. Good luck. All right. Thank you. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. Adam Scheff. Adam Scheff. Okay. That was not what we were. Come on. That is not how I understood everything. Talked about that for 10 minutes today. Yes, we thought he. He's an excellent guy. Which one? He's a journalist. No. Whoa. Insiders? Journalists? I love Scheff. Me too. Someone in the organization like, hey, George told us he's got a sign.

1:47:08Okay. I mean, this was a big deal at the draft. This was a big deal when we heard this happen. People were spraying behind the stage. He almost fell down. He almost walked into the wall. He got his full shoes super wet.

1:47:19Pat McAfee:He did. He got soaked by water. I had to move him, remember? Hey, move this way. You're standing in just a puddle. He could have been standing in a fire. He would have had no idea. Yeah, it was. It's the business. Okay, so on the record now, George has not signed his franchise tag, but certainly thinking about it. Man, I just, them going to him, okay, we need you to sign this. He's like, it's draft weekend, bro. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not, I got a lot of shit I got to get through. I love George Pickens. Packers need to do whatever they need to do to trade for this guy. You just signed Reed.

1:47:54You just signed Wicks. I know. I just fucking bring him home. Let's go. I need this guy. And yeah, there's going to be some bumps and bruises along the way. Okay, but I'm just, you just got to live with that.

1:48:04Pat McAfee:I would like him to be on the Indianapolis Colors. Exactly. I don't know if we're going to be able to pay him after what we did. And what is Jawan Jennings doing? Who knows? What's Diego Pavia doing? What are these guys that maybe won't make it in the NFL? Well, there's a spring league that has an investment from a man who seems to be very passionate about making it work and has also had success in the past as a serial entrepreneur and businessman. Ladies and gentlemen, the founder of Rapoli Stables, as we head into Kentucky Derby weekend, he's got the two favorites. Paul. For the Oaks and the other one.

1:48:38Pat McAfee:Boom. What is it, Bruce? Kentucky Oaks and the Kentucky Derby. He's got to favor both of them in his table. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Poll. Yeah, bye. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Pat. Thanks, AJ. How you doing? Hey, fantastic. We appreciate your passion for everything that you do. We read a quote out of your Rapoli Stables Twitter account the other day. Sorry, X account. And the way you phrase things, the way you – I wouldn't trade places with anybody heading into this Kentucky Derby. I'll take Todd Pletcher, Ortiz Jr., and the best horse in the race, Renegade, from the one post every time. Is it ideal?

1:49:10Pat McAfee:No. But I'll take the one post, over 15 to 20 posts, all day with Renegade's closing style and explosive late kick. He'll save plenty of ground while others are running extra distance. You can get trouble from anywhere, but being that far outside could cost him 7 to 10 lengths. And don't forget, since 2021 with the new starting gate, the inside posts are positioned better than ever before. If Renegade is who we think he is, the one post won't matter. No excuses. Some people say I have bad luck at the Kentucky Derby. 0 for 8, plus 3 scratches. Two of them being favorites. Yikes. I see it differently.

1:49:41Pat McAfee:I'm blessed. Blessed to have these opportunities. Blessed to have the Derby favorite with Renegade. Blessed to have Oaks favorite with Zaney. Great luck to all the connections in both the Derby and the Oaks. Let's fucking go. Okay, so I wanted to read that strictly because clearly bad news for your horses here. But you have this incredible ability to turn it into a positive. Are you like that with everything? And do you think that is why your businesses have been so successful as we find them? I've always I've always been like that. I mean, for me, listen, Pat, I'm the type of guy that if you told me fucking something's 99 percent, I'm out.

1:50:14When you told me something's one percent, I'm like all in. So honestly, I'm all for eight with three scratches. How much worse can the one post be? Right. You know, I can't get any worse than that. Right. I've scratched derby favorites the day of the derby, the day before the derby. I mean, you know, having the one post, if I get to run, I'm happy.

1:50:32Pat McAfee:Okay, well, I hope your horses win for the sake of your persistence in this and investment in the horse game. Let's talk about UFL. Okay, so we have followed the UFL and the XFL and the USFL in all these spring football leagues. Normally, they are managed poorly. They don't get a lot of ratings. They don't have the greatest quality of ball. You come in with great energy, great juice. feels like the league is feeling it from you. I pitched an idea about Diego Pavia being what, like a perfect blueprint for your league. You came back and responded, yes, I would absolutely love it. How does it work?

1:51:06Pat McAfee:If Diego Pavia was to somehow decide he wanted to join the UFL before maybe joining an NFL team, which is certainly still possible if he was to finish this UFL season, would he be able to play this weekend? Do you reach out to him? Like, how does the UFL work out as a whole? I mean, it's funny, Pat, because everything you just said, was true about our entire league. And I also get motivated when people send me your clips and you call it like the USXFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's been a lot of names. I love that, by the way. It's motivating, to be honest with you. So it works this way. We can call them today.

1:51:39I can suit them up tomorrow and we can play. Like, it's really up to that. Like, the ability that we can do things in this league. And when you said the businesses were run poorly, they were not run like an entrepreneurial company. Like, this is an entrepreneurial company. Like, like you can't make this a corporately. You can't make decisions over a 10 year period because it's going to take time. It's going to take energy. It's going to take money. It's going to take innovation. It's going to take time listening to the fans. The WNBA is finally working. MLS is finally working. Guys, it took them 20 years.

1:52:13I got news for you. I don't have 20 years for this. And we're going to try to do something way different than every other league and make it affordable and fun. Listen to you, listen to AJ, and listen to the guys on social media.

1:52:25Pat McAfee:Okay, so I saw Tessitore call in one of the games. There's obviously been great crews. There's a partnership with ESPN and with Fox. The stadiums, I think it's going to take, like, what is the plan to fill stadiums? Because I think that's a big deal. Are we getting smaller stadiums, or are we going to stay and continue to try to grow? Yeah, yeah. This didn't take a lot of time, but the smaller the stadium, the easier it is to fill. I found that out. Yes. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, if the NBA had to play in a stadium with 80 ,000 people, they wouldn't sell out. If the NHL had to play in a stadium with 80 ,000 people, they wouldn't sell out.

1:52:57If WNBA, like only football, college and pro could fill a stadium up to 100 ,000 people. So we're not that. And we don't want to be that. So these soccer stadiums that are being built every week, by the way, they didn't exist 20 years ago. So now putting these people in, like in Louisville, this, you know, Lynn family, it's 15 ,000. It was sold out on Friday night. You know, when you're watching it on TV, you can't tell if there's 15 ,000 or 50 ,000. And the stadium, there's not a bad seat in the house and the noise in that small stadium. Listen, for soccer, I like soccer. There's a loud, good play like everyone, 25 minutes.

1:53:35You know, every 25 minutes, you get a good play in soccer. Here in football, you get a fumble. You get an interception. You get a 10-yard run. Fans are cheering the entire time. So I really think these stadiums are made for the United Football League.

1:53:46Pat McAfee:I think so, too. And I enjoy the fact that we have spring ball. I appreciate the fact that you have invested and you're passionate about it and you're continuing to evolve what the league can be. We continue this conversation with co-owner of the UFL, Mike Rapoli on digital as our linear show ends. We appreciate you all so much. We'll see you tomorrow. Goodbye. Okay, I think we hit it perfectly. We're still live, obviously, Mike. Now, whenever you talk about the UFL as a whole, St. Louis is what? The success blueprint that we're looking for? Like, hey, that is the goal of every franchise? Well, their fan base and the attendance is the goal.

1:54:20They play in the Dome. They get about$30 ,000 to$35 ,000, which, you know what? If you played at one of the soccer stadiums,$20 ,000,$25 ,000, you would sell out every time. I mean, St. Louis lost their football team. It was, you know, they like to go to the games. They like to, you know, they like to enjoy themselves. So I would say like the defenders, the D.C. defenders playing an Audi field that fits 20 ,000. I would say stadiums that fit between 15 and 25 really is the blueprint. Now, St. Louis is different. You know, if we ever went to San Diego, I think that would be different because they lost the charges.

1:54:52But in most markets, I think it's really playing in these soccer venues where the fans are 15 to 25 ,000. Spring football, fun, affordable. and just watch some great players, man.

1:55:03Pat McAfee:And we can bet on it too, which is also good news. AJ has a question for you. Yeah, Mike, I know people when they watch, they want to see what the quality of play looks like. I haven't seen a ton of it so far, but my good buddy Ted Gaines coaching the Columbus Aviators, so I've been tuned in and watching those guys. And there's great players all over the place. Obviously, we know that. But I just wonder, how do you continue to elevate the level of play and who do you choose, I guess, on who you target to go after to try to sign some big names to bring into the league? Yeah, I mean, AJ, it's a great, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm going to make you the co-commissioner and Pat the other co-commissioner because you guys have a lot more experience here than me.

1:55:39And at the end of the day, you guys would know this. The guys that play in the NFL in the top 1%, the guys that play in the UFL are in the top 1%, right? So I'm learning that if you get drafted by, you know, I'm good friends with Tom Brady. If the Jets would have drafted him, you know, I always tell Tom he'd be working at Morgan Stanley, right? So, you know, so who knows, right? You need the right coordinator. You need the right coach, the right system. So I'm watching that. It's such a fine line between who makes it and who doesn't make it. So the talent is out there. It's just about how much time and effort we can put into it.

1:56:12And the other thing I'll say quickly is the way the college game is going, each player is there for nine months. Are they really developing college players now? Nobody's going to stay there for four years.

1:56:21Pat McAfee:I think that's going to be an advantage in our future. Okay, so are you thinking about becoming a feeder system? because that's obviously the conversation is you have to see a pipeline from your league to the NFL to continue to recruit guys to come play in your league that is a conscientious effort of you guys to understand that if we produce NFL players we'll be able to get more people to come play here I mean, Pat, right now we have 35 players in the NFL that played in our league and that are now on rosters. In June, July, once our season ends, 140 to 160 will sign deals with NFL teams. And how many will make it, we're not sure.

1:56:59But, you know, I'm learning this as I go, by the way, and you guys are great sounding boys. Trust me, I listen to you guys. Oh, no. Don't be doing that, Ripoli. Don't be doing that. I'm trying my bet. Pat, listen, I got to listen to everybody, right? Smart. So for me, they got this, you know, the players that play on the, what do they call that team? Practice squad. Practice squad. I mean, there's 15 to 20 players there. What do they do? Why can't you give us those players? Let them get reps during a game and move them to us. they'll get better playing in our league for 10 games than they will on a practice squad getting six reps a year.

1:57:41Pat McAfee:Interesting. So who would you have to negotiate with? You'd have to negotiate with the NFL, PA, and also Goodell, right? That's who you would have to get that deal done to become an actual feeder system for the NFL? Well, you know, it's either a feeder system or, you know, listen, they're going to find out when people get reps in our league that they might not be ready for the NFL or not as good as they thought. So you wind up trading players. You know, I think this way, players that will play in all league could play for 3 to 10 years I think players can move up but it doesn't always happen right the minor league systems could have a guy in their triple A for 5 or 10 years before they move up so I don't know if it's a direct feeder system but definitely an opportunity where we can listen to their coaches and put people in spots that the coaches would like to see them in.

1:58:25Pat McAfee:NFL Europe had that I think for a while right because I think you get drafted and we get sent to a team potentially in Europe. Amsterdam I believe Vinatieri got sent over to by Patriot? I don't know. Somebody sent him over there. But that used to be the way it went over there. Maybe the UFL becomes the spring version of what NFL Europe used to be. Maybe we start seeing some players that we know. I was trying, listen, and I think the Diego Pavia thing is a good play. I don't want to ask you publicly what you would offer him, but I think with how many weeks left in the season, if we knew more of the players' names, I think that is something that you need.

1:58:59Pat McAfee:And with way rosters are constructed in the NFL right now, that's deep down the line at the quarterback position. Quarterback position is the most important spot. Some of the guys are good players. Like I enjoyed watching Jordan Te 'amu and Heineke, Heineke, a couple of the other legends of the NFL. But I turned on the other day or yesterday, I had no idea who any of these quarterbacks were. So I'm like, all right, let me learn about these guys. And then boom, they're on another quarterback. It's like, all right, that position is going to be tough to figure out regardless for a spring league. But if you were to get some of the players from the league that on practice squads, okay, now we're talking.

1:59:32Pat, no doubt. I mean, the emphasis on the quarterback next year is going to be crucial 100%. You know, with the rules that we have, I bet you one of them you probably don't like too much is the no punting inside the 50. I'm sure you might be mad at me a little bit on that one. No, that kills the average anyways.

1:59:47Pat McAfee:That's actually a pretty good little rule. And then what you do with the field goals too, phenomenal. Actually, D-Bud has a question for you. Yeah, on that note, Mike, any other rules coming down the pipeline? I love the four-point field goal rule from 60+. We'd love to see that in the NFL as well. The no extra points. Any other rules coming down the pipeline to, I guess, encourage higher scoring games? You know, I love it, man. Right now, what we did was no punting inside the 50. We made the 60-yarder or four-point play. This one we did, and I'm telling you right now, I think the NFL should go to it.

2:00:16The one foot instead of the two. We had a guy in the Orlando game yesterday make a top 10 ESPN catch, and he only had one foot. But usually that play doesn't count, and it doesn't make the top 10. I mean, these quarterbacks can get the ball right there. These receivers can make these incredible catches with one foot. You got one foot in, it should be a catch. Oh, no. Listen, I want 40-37, man. I want scoring.

2:00:41Pat McAfee:Yeah. Hey, listen, I would like highlights out here. Let's start making more highlights. Let's not take away catches. Let's make more catches. I like the way you're thinking, Rapoli. Obviously, we appreciate that. A big part of the business side of it is obviously going to be people not only watching but going. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Mike, I don't want to sound like a dickhead when I ask this. He's going to sound like a dickhead. So that's what that is right there. Listen, I grew up with a bunch of dickheads. I'm ready. How do you guys plan on creating fans or how difficult has it been creating fans when ultimately, not to sound too brash, but it's early on.

2:01:16No one cares. It's week four. We just had the NFL draft. You have all these people who are looking at their NFL team and looking at it. It's like, oh, we got this guy we got this guy we got this you know all the while you guys are playing you know and it's and it's what week four you got the playoffs around the corner but like listen everyone wants spring football we miss it when the season's not here but how are you going to create fans when you know your season is right in the middle of the draft which is very important for a lot of NFL fans and teams and then on top of that you have the NHL playoffs you have you know uh playoff basketball Like, how difficult is that process?

2:01:50And I guess, what is the goal there? Yeah, that was the least dickhead question I've ever received in my life. The least?

2:01:57Pat McAfee:I think I asked a pretty non-dickhead question earlier. We all didn't. I mean, it was nothing. So listen, we've got to create excitement, man. Like, it takes time. Number one, I think we've got to move the season up just a little bit. I'm not sure exactly when. You know, a little bit right after the NFL. As far as the NFL draft, you know what? Last year, the first round got 15 million people to watch an NFL draft. You can't get an NBA final or a World Series to get 15 million people. Round two got 5 million. Guys, for some reason, and AJ and Pat, you might know, football now is so dominant. The ratings are like unbelievable.

2:02:37We're getting a million viewers for two teams that nobody knows where they are and players that nobody knows. And we're getting a million people watch. The NHL playoffs this weekend had 1.3 million, 1.5 million, and like 1.7. This is for a playoff game on ESPN. So we're there. We're there.

2:02:56Pat McAfee:We're very close. I think so, too. And especially if we can get some players in there. Because ball will always, you know, carry. Defenses seem to be ahead of the game over there. Oh, yeah. Defenses flying around. Got some players. There are some guys moving on the defensive side. I think because it's such our preseason now it's going to start to pick up. But the other thing is these smaller stadiums is also about picking Louisville, Columbus. They don't have a pro sport team where they have one or two sports. We just announced Oklahoma City. Right. So picking non NFL markets, probably better.

2:03:33But, you know, we'll have some NFL markets. But, you know, when we look at expansion, we're going to look at markets, you know, that maybe don't have NFL that, you know what? on a Friday, Saturday night. Let's go watch the Columbus Aviators. What are the Oklahoma City team name?

2:03:47Pat McAfee:What's their name? I don't have it now, but if you guys... Tornadoes, Lightning. I was thinking the tickets. That's pretty good, too. That's not bad. I think Lightning would be a phenomenal thing for Thunder. Feel the thunder. Lightning and the thunder. Thunder. And the Oklahoma City people will show up. Salt Lake City would be a good place to do it. If he can get anything in Salt Lake, they'll do it. Austin, Salt Lake, Omaha, Albuquerque, who knows, New York City. Des Moines. Anyway. Des Moines, Iowa. Yeah, that's not a bad. Fort Lauderdale? Yeah, hell yeah. Really? Watch your bit there. Everybody talks about people from South Florida having other stuff to do.

2:04:30Pat McAfee:You can coach. We love football. Love football. I might coach. We got Ted Ginn. We got my guy, Captain Muddland. Okay. DC over there. Okay, so these stadiums that you're finding, 15 ,000 to 20 ,000, I think you're right on with that because optically it just looks better and, you know, it feels like it's alive if you can do that. Can't you build these things up? Aren't they doing that over here? Saudi Arabia built the Royal Rumble arena in like six weeks or something like that. Six days. Qatar for the World Cup, they built it out of recycled Coke bottles. I don't think that. Yeah, they did. Pull it up.

2:05:01I remember the whole lower bowl on the outside. But are you thinking about potentially building some of these smaller venues? You know, it's interesting. I'm going to give you exactly. We play in the historic crew in Columbus. That place was built in 2005. And in 2021, they built a new soccer stadium downtown. So we basically are the biggest we're getting the stadium for almost free. Chicago has two stadiums there. Some of these stadiums are being built in different areas now and new ones are coming all the time. So, you know, I mean, listen, in the future, you're right. They can be. And building one in, let's say, Birmingham might cost$150 million and building one in New York City.

2:05:41That's what we're saying.

2:05:42Pat McAfee:They have new stadiums nowadays. You just put a couple, what are those, trailers? Or the pods or whatever. The shipping containers. You just put a bunch of shipping containers on top of each other. It's like a Barn Dominion, basically. They make an entire stadium. Just something to think about. I'm just telling you. You put them in the middle of nowhere. In the right cities, in the right markets, guys, they will show up. We agree. I think so. I think the sport of football will carry. But these spring leagues have not, like, historically. And, you know, I think the common problem is not good quarterback play and bad business, right?

2:06:17Pat McAfee:That is the common problem. One of the leagues wasn't paying their play. They left the players stuck with the bill, basically, for everything as they kind of just shut down shop and that entire thing. And then obviously the XFL had some holdouts happening in the middle of their league kind of collapsing in this entirety. So I think like ball will carry. But if you can continue to kind of build the quality of quarterback, I think that's the one position, which is going to be tough because how many guys are on NFL rosters? And then the business. I mean, why not UFL? Why not you, Rapoli? You know what?

2:06:46Why not? You're absolutely. Hey, Pat, everything you said is dead on. A lot of the reasons those leagues ran out was they didn't have an entrepreneur that wanted to run this like an entrepreneurial business. Take chances, take risks, and stop worrying about what people are going to think. Just do it and do it the way your people are telling you, your players are telling you, and your coaches are telling you. That's one. The second thing is they decided they didn't want to throw more money into it. I mean, you know what? I might fucking go bankrupt, but I'm a good shot, man. Respect.

2:07:16Pat McAfee:Respect general. Yeah. Yeah. That's incredible. And you obviously spend money in sports a lot. Noble is your company. Obviously, you acquired Tom Brady's company in its entire body armor in the sports world. Vitamin Water, I believe, as well in the sports world. Rapoli Stables, obviously, in the sports, in the horse racing world. And also St. John's Basketball NIL. Yeah. Yeah, you're a massive sports guy. That basketball college NIL, how awesome is that to kind of feel fulfillment through? You know, being a kid from Queens and going to St. John's a lot. But fucking this year, I got to win the Oaks and the Derby to afford St.

2:07:54John's. Kids are good. We got an announcement maybe coming out today on a player. We're 50-50 on him. If we get this player, man, I got news here. If Rick Pitino doesn't get to the Final Four, I'll be coaching the team next year.

2:08:10He's signed for four years, but he's 74 years old. If he doesn't get to the Final Four, I got to say it's his age.

2:08:15Pat McAfee:Yeah, of course. Yeah, the citizen problem here. Two Italians kind of going at it over there for St. John's out of Queens. I respect and appreciate all of it. Good luck through everything. Good luck to the favorites this weekend. Zany and... Zany and Renegade in the Derby. Renegade in the... Both 4-1 morning line, both Derby favorites. Oaks and Derby favorites. Pretty cool. How long... But I wasn't the winner, not the favorite. How's that sound? How long have you been in the horse game? 20 years. And I won the Belmont. I won the Breeders' Cup. I won the Travers. In the Oaks, I got two seconds and a third.

2:08:47In the Derby, I suck. So that's about it. Until this year.

2:08:51Pat McAfee:Yeah, but this year it changes. Why not you? Why not Rapalde Stables? Are you studded any of your horses out? Is that that business over there? Oh, well, we have a great team that picks out the horses. I got the Rick Pitino of horse racing. His name is Todd Pletcher. He's a legend. The best trainer out there. Him and Bob Baffert are one, two. And I got the top jockey, Irad Ortiz. So you got the, you know, whoever has the best players sometimes wins. The most important player is the horse, though. That's the problem. So we'll see. Yeah, we'll see what he is, is what you said. We're going to find out about Renegade.

2:09:22Pat McAfee:If he is who we think he is, he's got an opportunity we can't wait to watch. And it all kicks off Thursday night, right? You got a UFL game kicking off Thursday night? Thursday night, we got St. Louis Battle Hawks and Louisville Kings. Nice party. All your friends are invited. And then I got the Oaks on Friday and the Derby on Saturday. and bringing 76 people, including me, 75 will have a great time and I'll be a miserable bastard, but that's okay. And I get the bill too, by the way. I get the bill too, so that works out well. All right, man. Good luck this weekend. We appreciate you. I appreciate it, guys.

2:09:57Thanks for everything. And I love everything you say, even if it's negative. I love it because you know what? We deserve it sometimes. So you be you, man. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Hey, you too. It sounds like you'll never change either.

2:10:06Pat McAfee:You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Rapoli. Yeah, Rapoli.

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2:11:30Pat McAfee:the whole fucking time and i gotta pay for it great here we go like let's run renegade that's He's got to wait all the way until the guy he ends. I like the cut of his joke. I love that guy. Me too. I might go fucking bankrupt with this. He's ready to do it, too. If that's what it calls for. Fucking guy loves ball. Put that guy in the Hall of Fame. Every sport. Yes. Horse, basketball, football. I assume he'll try to. I mean, what a weapon. All right, I'm in. I'm in on the UFL. I hope it does well. There you go. That's the camp I'm in. I hope it does well. I hope it does well. How about Ty? I don't want to be a dickhead here.

2:12:06Pat McAfee:Immediately letting Rapoli know. Dickhead question's coming. I can't get fans. Nobody gives a fuck. I've tried. I really have. You turn it on in two seconds. Fuck this. I'll go watch Sesame Street. Sesame Street. No way. I watched two games yesterday. Back to back. Joe Tessitore's calling one of these fucking games. I had no idea Joe Tessitore was in the booth. I was so happy. I literally saw his ass. I'm like, fucking Tess is doing UFL and he's also doing what, SmackDown? Mm-hmm. He was calling the Louisville team versus the Dallas team. He was calling people's names. Yeah, Joe Klatt does some of the games too.

2:12:47No fucking way you watch back. I had back-to-back games on TV. Yeah, you're right, D-Bot. You're right. Why did we let that go? I had it on TV. There's nothing better than seven and a half, eight hours of UFL football on a Saturday.

2:13:00Pat McAfee:We had a gambler pop on. Amanda was her name. Pamela Maldonado. Okay, her name is not Amanda. No. How do her picks do? Pretty good. I don't know. To be honest, I don't think I heard it, but I like that. Pamela? Sure. I saw former Colt Jason Beans in the league. Is he? That's what I'm talking about. We need more of that. Former fastest John Ross receiver in the league. DeAndre Baker, former first-round pick for the Giants. I mean, Kevonte Turpin, the highest-paid kicker in NFL history, started there. Think about that. Yeah, multiple kickers in the league now. Jake Bates also from the UF. The Michigan Panthers that don't exist anymore, even though they were in the championship last year.

2:13:39That makes no sense.

2:13:40Pat McAfee:Well, that's because you guys didn't show up for your challenge. I'm pretty sure we showed up for them, and they just kicked us out of the league. You're telling me Rapoli said, you know what? I just don't want to act like we like that place anymore. That's why he decided to drop the team. Well, according to Rapoli, he only likes markets that don't already have an NFL team. So you guys have the Lions. See you later. He likes markets that show up, and Michigan doesn't show up. We show it up. How about him saying New York City? He was like, yeah, you know, this team is New Jersey over there. If we were able to get one of these soccer stadiums right here in the city.

2:14:08If I know anything about New York fans in general, that's what they're craving for. Chomping at the bit for is a new UFL team around this time. He's from there. He would know more than I would. The gladiators, man. There are a few cities here. Watch your problem. Let's stick with the Birmingham's. Hey, listen, if a fucking UFL team comes to Des Moines, I will change my tune very quickly, and I'll be wearing a fucking Barnstormers hat the following day. Des Moines Danger. Yeah, there you go. It's a great name. I just don't know if there is a very high demand in New York City for a UFL football team, but I could be wrong.

2:14:48Pat McAfee:What about Pittsburgh? They should drop one. They had the mall. They didn't play there. They played in fucking Birmingham. Yeah, the stadium's perfect right on the river. Yeah. Pittsburgh would show up for that. Look what they did for the draft. Maybe. I don't think so, though. I think they would. Make a concert after the show. No, no, but I agree. Zambelli, firework. I agree with Rapoli. You got to do it in cities that don't have NFL. Zambelli shelling out, you think? For the Maulers? Yeah. I think Rapoli would be shelling out for the Zambelli shells. That is a beautiful view coming over a bridge, seeing the stadiums.

2:15:23The city showed up. Came to signs. Showed out. Beautiful. horse's name is renegade right yeah yeah exactly yep it's named after

2:15:38did you happen to see the what is his arm size pittsburgh symphony player that's gonna be played at every funeral for the next 50 years yeah that's pretty unbelievably well done play it when i die when i die soon don't okay soon thank you appreciate that don't soon is relative

2:15:56Pat McAfee:I'd like you not to die before me. Me? I'll tell you that. All of you. Everybody I know, I would like that to happen. I don't want you guys to die. Meanwhile, I hate to break to you. I'm fucking going to be dead as a fucking doornail. These aliens popping up. We might all go at the same time. Oh, mama. Hey, what's going on? There's a lot of people passing away. What's that all about? I don't know. There's a lot going on. There's a common denominator through all that. Yeah, there is. You got to ask that. There's some scary stuff happening, too. I mean, think about that media thing that just took place over there in Washington.

2:16:34Pat McAfee:That's scary as hell. All the people that are there. That's a massive collection of humans that are obviously very important. People just feel comfortable enough to kind of run up in that. Dinner? Yeah. That was crazy. That was crazy to watch. And it's like we're in, we're like, well, I don't know. I don't keep up with it enough. We're in multiple wars, right? Oh, yeah. who's going to attack the commander-in-chief of our country, somebody from our country, when we're in, like, a bunch of different – that's, like, crazy to think about. Like, oh, was it an Iranian person that got in there and tried to kill it?

2:17:02Pat McAfee:No. Was it somebody from any of the other wars that we're in? No, it was an American. Like, that was – that bummed me out a bit. It continues to bum me out, all this stuff. It's like, man, what's going on? Come on, we're in this thing together. It sounds like there's something much bigger than all of us. Sounds like the way things are kind of being talked about. So let's kind of go ahead and do that. And then I started looking around. I'm like, what is great in this world right now? It's like, well, my daughter's awesome. My fucking daughter's incredible. And sports are just always there. Yes, always.

2:17:33Pat McAfee:Sports are literally always there. It's like these nights where there isn't a game and there hasn't been because the playoffs haven't shown up for us. Yeah. I get, like, legitimately lost. I'm like, and that's whenever, you know, everything else. It's like sports are such a wonderful thing. And we are so incredibly lucky that we're in that world. Those other worlds, scary right now, man. It's very, very scary. Oh, yeah. That's why we stick to sports. How about Pittsburgh not having an arrest on the NFL draft compound for the first night? That was insanity. Incredible. For ball. They did it for ball.

2:18:00Pat McAfee:I tried to tell Roger Goodell that whenever I was up there to make my pick or whatever, you know. I'm like, hey, listen. You guys aren't going to talk about it, but you should. Like, in the city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and he was a bartender in the area, so I think he should know. When there's booze and large gatherings of people for a long time, Pittsburgh is a place where somebody is going to chirp somebody and something's probably going to happen. There was none of that. None. That crowd was just all in for ball. And the fact that it broke records and who knows how they count and they said this isn't unique, people, this is this.

2:18:33Pat McAfee:It was like, that was a special thing for Pittsburgh, man. That was really cool to watch the whole city get showcased. Weather was phenomenal. I assume that helped. Until Saturday. Weather was absolutely phenomenal. And Saturday, there was a little bit of worry that the weather was going to scare the Yenzers away from coming back down. But instead, it opened up a little bit. Yenzers went down there, broke the record. And then next year is in D.C., right? Yes, it is. Go ahead. Did we get an update on Frank, the Yenzer? Did he actually show up? Was he just talking? I'm thinking Frank had family that went down there, but he felt obligated to not go because of how famous it was.

2:19:07Pat McAfee:But it was everybody went down there. The weather certainly. And also, the traffic wasn't. It was not bad. A different mode of transportation getting there, too? The downtown restaurants, though, I guess, did not really benefit because everybody went into the NFL draft compound. So all the things scattered around, I guess, people were in and then people were out. There wasn't a lot of, you know, I guess, city stuff. So there's been a lot of calls. Hey, this guy's the best, by the way. Dave DiCello. Got a chance to meet him at the event on Wednesday. He took pictures for the event. I'm excited to see that.

2:19:39Pat McAfee:He has every awesome photo of Pittsburgh. He posted these on his X account. This dude is awesome. He wakes up, he told me like 3, 4 a.m. So he can get nighttime photos of Pittsburgh. Obviously, this is not 3, 4 a.m. This is just the event. But if you want to see phenomenal photos of the most beautiful city maybe to photograph, Dave DiCello only collects those and he has all of them. Everyone that you see that is on any of the sports that take place where they start showing photos or whatever, it's his shit. He was awesome to meet. Having a beer, walking with a camera. He goes, hey, thank you for having me here, man.

2:20:11Pat McAfee:No problem, dude. Thank you so much for coming. You are the best. He is. I can't wait to see those. Oh, yeah. Yeah, me too. I'm really thankful he came. That event was crazy. Awesome, dude. Yeah, it was awesome. That was crazy. Sweet theater. You say you grew up as a kid going to that theater? Is that like IMAX situation? Only like one time, a field trip. Yeah, one field trip. We all went down to Carnegie Science Center. I mean, it's been around that long? Yeah, I think they redid it. I think recently. Different names, right? Yeah, the Cayman folk family, I guess. I think I've told the story a couple times now, but it's worth mentioning.

2:20:41Pat McAfee:It used to be the Carnegie Science Center, and it's right down on the North Shore. So it's in the middle of everything, you know, in the modern world. Three Rivers wasn't directly right there, but Ackershire, Hines Field, whenever it gets built, is right next to it. And then PNC Park, when it gets built, is right there. Then the casino's right there. So, like, that's kind of like the pillar of what gets seen by the world. It's all on the North Shore. Then they build up a bunch of bars. They try to make it a thing. It became like North Shore is a big deal down there. You know, it is certainly grown in how much it's had impact.

2:21:09Pat McAfee:But the Science Center has always been a pillar of the place. The Carnegie family was the one that I think funded it at the beginning. You know, we have Carnegie Mellon. Obviously, the Carnegie family, very famous to the world. But the Carnegie Science Center, I don't know if the funding stopped or what particularly happened. But they were looking for another round of money so they can give upgrades because I guess it had run down a bit. And they sent out a bunch of emails to dignitaries around Pittsburgh for, you know, a donation to the Science Center. and I think they were expecting like a couple hundred thousand maybe from some people.

2:21:38Pat McAfee:This Cayman family, I guess, just dropped 40 million in them. Hey, actually, here you go. Yeah, we're fucking, go ahead, do what you got to do. So they obviously upgrade, upgrade, bring in new people. So I think it's on the middle of like a massive comeback, the Science Center. And Miss Stacy and Jason, the guy that runs it, those two with how they communicated, the decisions that were made, how they went about doing it. It was like very easy to kind of do an event there with a lot of work. and it was beautiful. It was cool. Great time. It was cool that everybody came. But yeah, that IMAX theater, the planetarium that's there, there's just so much shit to do in there.

2:22:12Yeah. I walked every inch of that place. Like there's so many. I kept walking up the ramp, getting different levels of like different, I don't know, spacewalk situation. There's like meteors up there. We saw Science Dan, I believe his name was. Maybe I'm wrong, but he had a lot of moxie in his presentations. Heavy asteroids.

2:22:28Pat McAfee:Heavy asteroids. Heavy asteroids. Can't lift that even with your big muscles, said Science Dan. I appreciated Science Dan. Then obviously we went to Mars. We were on Mars there for a bit. Then the train that kind of replicates all of Pittsburgh. That was sweet. It was cool. Shout out to the Science Center. That was a really cool venue. We paid for it, certainly. Sure. You know. Yeah. Those Science Espresso martinis were sweet. Oh, delicious. Those were a lot of booze. Bartenders had a heavy pour. Yes, they certainly did with the ice cream. And I think everybody that was drinking enjoyed the heavy pour.

2:23:00Pat McAfee:It feels like people did have a good time. not before the draft but everybody that came through i was very very grateful for very very very very very it was cool everyone was there coach cower different like setting that we've never hung out with them in before yeah exactly and also i think that's the first time i don't want to continue to talk about the wednesday night event because obviously we're going to be making a video and there's pictures and you'll see a recap of it but like uh i felt like that was good for uh relation uh yeah camaraderie yes everybody nfl network was in there espn was in there suits were in there.

2:23:30Pat McAfee:Game Day was in there, which is normally a ton of little silo. Felt like there was a lot of people in there. And I think what everybody would take away is that Coach Cowher's the man. Yeah. Oh yeah. Legend. He can hold a room. He is the man in there. NFL Films also in there. Obviously, they made the movie, so we're very appreciative of them. I don't know if this is the first time that he's been at the back in Pittsburgh, getting a chance to experience it, but he got a chance to feel welcomed. Hopefully, something he knew would take place, or maybe it was a surprise. I don't know. But everywhere we went, this guy was the coach.

2:24:01Pat McAfee:It's Coach Cower, of course. That NFL security conversation getting into that night Wednesday at the Science Center because we were a part of the NFL draft compound. Getting everybody in had required a bunch of shit, so many convos. Then just Coach Cower sitting in the back of the van. That's Coach Cower. Wherever you want to. We don't have to check it. Just let it go. Bombdogs have to check everything. Nope, Coach Cower. It was all Pittsburgh SWAT, Pennsylvania SWAT. It was all Pennsylvania security, Pittsburgh security. So like all the locals were kind of hired to do all those jobs. As soon as they saw Cower everywhere we were at, you.

2:24:35Pat McAfee:Go. Go. Whatever the hell you want. Stopping crowds. Stop. Hey. Get the fuck. Coach Cower. That's literally what it was like. And I'm happy and lucky that we got to kind of watch that happen because that's how I feel about his ass too. You know, it's like this guy, whenever we were kids becoming Steelers fans was the most charismatic fucking pittsburgh yinzer that we ever had and he won a super bowl for the hometown and it's like he uh he's a special dude going back to his neighborhood oh you know him talking to us about growing up oh this house over here in this street here in this bridge and then going to see her think that was all all great yeah used to live weights in that garage yeah my dad used to preach here yeah sunday school used to swear the entire time right here he had cower way they offered him up a bridge I ain't never do nothing on that bridge.

2:25:26Pat McAfee:The immediate alley behind my house is what he chose to name, Cower Away. We got a chance to see it all, experience it all. Go to Serafino's. He walks in there. Turns out he played against the guy whenever he was a young lad, Joe Caliguar, who owns Serafino's. He's a beast. Joe is one of the greatest chefs of all time. I would recommend Serafino's just strictly because of the electricity. But I guess whenever he was eight years old, the reason why he got into food instead of football is because Bill Cowher ran his ass over. He said, you're bullying me back in the day. He cut his brother when his brother was going for the Steelers, right?

2:26:02Bill Cowher. You ran me over. You cut my brother. We love you.

2:26:06Pat McAfee:Representing crafting out there, Coach. The chicken cutlets at that place. The greatest chicken parm I've ever had in my life, let alone the Genovese. The Pucatini. Yeah, it was. Beans and grease. But everywhere Coach went, it was like he was literally walking on water. and... Here comes another one. That's the brother that got cut. You know what it is, coach. Hey, listen, I always say, I was fair. I don't care if you're from Crafton. All right, nice to meet you. Let me talk about some other people that I got a chance to hang out with at the draft, you know, just to kind of reminisce and have it on the record.

2:26:43Pat McAfee:Dion Branch is the man. The GOAT. Legend. Dion Branch is the absolute man. Played for, obviously, New England a long time. Legend up there for the Patriots. Super Bowl MVP. Super Bowl MVP, Super Bowl champ multiple times. He also was announcing the draft pick for the New England Patriots, which wasn't until the very end of the night. But he also played for the Colts for a couple weeks. And I think he lives in Indy. I think the entirety. So I got a chance to meet him whenever he came over to the Colts, strictly because I wanted to ask what it was like at the Patriots. Obviously get along with him.

2:27:09Pat McAfee:I think every human that's ever met Deion Branch gets along with Deion Branch. He was electrifying. One of his players from Louisville got drafted while we were there. So watching him go through that entire process was sweet. So shout out to Deion Branch, who doesn't have any social medias at all. Beast. You never hear from him. I think he's just kind of disappeared. He's coaching right now. None of that. Shout out to him for hanging out because we were just sitting back there for a long time. Long time. I mean, it was a long time we were just sitting back there. There is a bar. Your pick got traded.

2:27:34Pat McAfee:Which people, yeah, I got traded back five picks, which I didn't necessarily love. Deion's did as well. Deion was there for three and a half hours. He didn't do anything for a very long time until the end. But we were having a blast in the back. Kuhn, obviously, back there. He was alongside the drunkest person that has ever been in the draft room, which that guy from Brookville, absolute legend. He knows it too. And Kuhn, absolute dog. Paul Pazlesny right there, that guy with that blue tie. Listen, I don't know if he eats rocks. I don't know what all has happened. His jaw is fucking outrageous in real life.

2:28:12Pat McAfee:It looks like a cartoon character's face. His jaw sticks, protrudes out like, what's that blonde-headed guy? Tony Bravo. Yeah, big guy. Yeah, that's exactly who it is. It's unbelievable, and he is absolutely stacked still. Obviously, he's been retired. Hair perfect. He looks like a secret agent. He looks like a fucking superhero, and he was hysterical. AJ, I don't know if you know him because you guys' jaws are similar and if that's just kind of a group chat that you have and everything. He's like a little bit more sophisticated version of you is kind of what we figured out. Spot on. And he took that as a massive compliment, obviously.

2:28:46Pat McAfee:He was very excited to be in the same conversation as you when it came to Jaws in football. But this dude is absolute legend. And I think they would call him a beauty out there, an absolute beauty, AJ. He is the man. I mean, look at him. He looks like a superhero creation, like not even a real person, especially when you see him. And, like, yeah, he's getting more jacked and more handsome, I guess, as he ages. So, yeah, I've always – yeah, Paul's been awesome. I've known him since way back in college. and don't get to run into him very often but i'm glad you got to spend some time with him because he is yeah he is a beauty as they say he turned the corner in that suit and i was like holy shit paul poslesney what's up dude and he goes hey what's up man and he mentioned uh a friend of ours wedding that we were both at that i had to speak at and uh that was immediate i'm like i haven't really seen you since then i'm like what are you up to told me his job he's in something super important sure he's doing something super duper important and uh drinking beers with how jacked he is you would think he's not drinking beers he's hammering beers eating fries too he's eating a bunch of fries and potatoes and all sorts of stuff yeah he might chew on the cans after that that might be the only difference between him and aj is i did ask him hey like you have one of the greatest jawlines of all time aj has one of the greatest jawlines of all time do you know about the jaws or size because that's how aj got his and he had no idea what the jaws or size was yeah he He said, I don't know what you mean, the jaws are sized.

2:30:11Pat McAfee:Here's a photo of him from his NFL days. Jesus Christ. Come on. That's not real. Not AI. That's not real. That is Paul Puzlesley football right there out of Penn State. Drafted to the Bills, becomes a legend, obviously, with the Jaguars, was a part of a Bills pick and a Jaguars pick the night we were there. And I'll tell you, he said multiple times, I don't have, like, the possess. so I'm just going to read what they put on the card and I'm like you do have the pizzazz Paul he goes no I don't they give me the card I'm going to read exactly you and him are like I'm just not doing it yeah exactly he was not happy about it so he saw me do you know he saw me say hey listen it's an easy thing Paul especially with the superhero that you are you got to take all your negative thoughts put them into your palm go ahead and crush it way down there, Paul, and say, yeah, they're gone.

2:31:08Pat McAfee:And maybe you go up there and do it. So he had a pick shortly after my pick, and I was like, Paul, you need to go do a magic trick up there. So I throw him the handkerchief as he's walking up there. He catches it, walks for two feet. We go, holy shit, he's going to make it. Turns around, crow hops, throws the thing as hard as he can back at me and says, I don't do magic tricks and walked away. He's the best. Me, Gumpy, Foxy, Deion Branch, and Paul Puzlesny spent four hours backstage at an open bar at the NFL draft on Friday. And it was a great time. It was a great time. We saw Caden McDonald. Got a chance to meet him.

2:31:49Pat McAfee:Saw Heidenreich, the QB from Navy, who would later go on to get picked in the seventh round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Got a chance to see Calvin Johnson. Megatron was back there. Jake Delhomme. Jake Delhomme, who's just a Louisiana. I heard he swears a lot. Oh, yeah. Incredible storyteller, I do believe, too. Jake DeLum. Yeah, love him. Mark Ingram. Mark Ingram's electric. Brian Westbrook. Joey Porter. Both Porters, senior and junior, were back there. Electric. Can I go back to Mark Ingram real quick? Well done by Mark Ingram. Oh, yeah. But also, his kid, awesome. And Brian Westbrook, his kid, phenomenal.

2:32:28Pat McAfee:These two are hanging out. Brian Westbrook's kid and Mark Ingram's kid. We're hanging out together, both about the same age. As soon as I walk in there, both of them walk right up to me. Why'd Randy Orton do that to you? Oh, I thought you had a broken neck. I'm like, who the fuck kids are? Who are these kids? You know, Mark Ingram comes up. Sorry, that's my boy or whatever. I'm like, don't be sorry. This kid's awesome. And then Westbrook's kid was one of the cool, like, it was a great vibe backstage. Like, it was an actual great vibe in the back. And I'm thankful and lucky that we were a part of it.

2:32:56Pat McAfee:I had a blast back there. And some people might have smoked back there. Oh, really? Okay. And you got easy names, finally. CJ Allen. Yeah, love that. Halsey, interesting. H-A-U-L-S-Y. They spelled Hall-C at the bottom, handwritten there. Getting a chance to see the operation, fascinating, like who's doing what, how it's going. A lot of phones in the back, a lot of TVs, headsets. A lot of movement. I think they did well with the show. Yeah, we got some good picks. Good show. I think Colts made some good picks. I like with Colts. Good picks. They got some dogs. I'm a big fan of the Goldsman. I don't feel like there's many teams that are bummed out about what their team did, other than maybe like the Jaguars.

2:33:37Pat McAfee:Yeah. Two teams. Jaguars are kind of getting a negative rap. Who else? The Niners. 49ers. Oh, yeah, because Grant Cohn just went in there. You always reach. What's up with that? Kind of ask, and then Warren Sharp goes, let me compound out a little bit. Yeah, they're the worst of all time. Look at this graph. Kind of onto something. That's tough that you've got to kind of face the music. A lot of interesting questions coming after these draft picks. Yeah, a lot of the thing on Saturday was like the consensus big boards. Like, oh, this guy went 50 picks before he was supposed to go. When the entire conversation, the entire time was, after you get after like the third, fourth round, like anything could happen.

2:34:16Teams like their guys, they're going to take them whenever they feel like they should take them. So, I mean, the whole narrative of like just like online draft people criticizing actual GMs and scouts who that's their actual job every single day of their life is kind of a wild thing. They build your team. Yes, exactly. Just a matter of factness, I think. Yes, yes, yes. There is no – and people are pulling the John Lynch talking about AI. Like if you're not using AI right now, then you're already behind. And then they pull up the graphs, the drafted, overexpected, or whatever the thing is. It's like all that is just fodder.

2:34:48Like no one knows better than what these guys who dedicate their lives to it. And how many times has there been like a F draft? And then that guy, I mean, people always reference it as of recent, but the Lions going Gibbs and Jack Campbell, that was like ridiculous in the first round a couple of years ago. And now here we are three years later. And that was one of the better first rounds in recent memory because of those guys.

2:35:11Pat McAfee:Who was the Seattle Seahawks? Bruce Irvin was part of the draft class. I saw somebody tweet about it. That was like, I always love listening to draft experts tell me how good my team did the day after the draft because I remember that the Seattle Seahawks drafted. Bobby Wagner, Earl Thomas, Wright. Aaron Curry, maybe. Curry might have. Cam Chancellor, I thought, was in there. Sherm. Yeah, I don't know. But there was a draft class with Bruce Ervin in it. The only reason why I saw it is because I think Bruce Ervin stuff comes into my algo because he's a West Virginia guy, and I'm a huge fan, obviously.

2:35:40Pat McAfee:I love what he has done. His story is a fantastic one. But I think the Bruce Ervin draft class, there's like the Seattle Seahawks pillars, basically. And the day after, it was like, F, why would you never? Why would you ever do that? And it's like, well, they would actually go on to have massive success. It's interesting, man. Yeah, here it is. Never forget which Bleacher Report gave the Seahawks an F grade for their 2012 draft. Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, Turbin, obviously legend, Lane, and Sweezy. Sweezy. It's like, hey, these guys stink, dude. Fucking what are we doing? Exactly.

2:36:13Pat McAfee:It's like you have no idea. We have no idea. John Schneider, too, looking back on that. Yeah, a guy never misses. Yeah. He's the best. I think we just assumed that. Now, there is a Hembo stat about something that says the Colts did good. There you go. Put it up there. Read it, AJ. Doesn't matter. Most slash least value using consensus big board. What exactly does that mean? Shout out, Jack Lick. It means we did the shits, bud. We did it. Golfers 28? Yeah, that's because you guys can't do the shit. Shut up, Hembo. Yeah. How about the 49ers? Dead ass last. Jags, they're an AFC South rival. Uh-oh.

2:36:49Who's consensus big board, though? Who has the consensus big board? Jack Lick. Jack Lick 10, bitch. It's not just Jack Lick.

2:36:55Pat McAfee:Jack Lick's going on. No, so that guy took literally every internet scout or whatever and took all their big boards and filed them into a consensus with all of the players, and that's what it's based on. And Chris Ballard likes his guys for good reason. He loves his guys. And it sounds like the consensus big board also likes his guys. And I would like to add, I like his guys, too. Bryce Betcher, you know who that is? Yeah. He was drafted to play baseball. He's actually a good baseball player. Yeah, he wanted that guy. He'll go play baseball. Yeah, like actually good baseball player. And then instead of, you know, you would think baseball, not physical, not tough, let me go play linebacker and let me be all over the field.

2:37:29Pat McAfee:He can certainly put on some weight or maybe he doesn't have to because he's a thumper. We got studs all over the place. Dogs is who the Colts were hunting. I like what we did in the building. Don't love that we're losing Kenny Moe still. Nope. Don't like that we're losing Kenny Moe. Don't like that we lost Michael Pittman Jr. Don't love that we lost Zaire Franklin either. He made a lot of tackles for our team on that particular. Obviously, we had a hole there, had to go after it. D, but you like what the Colts did as well. I love what the Colts did. Got some dogs kind of in the middle of their defense.

2:37:56And I think Chris Ballard was talking about, because he got asked, why so SEC heavy? And Chris Ballard was like, look, that's the closest thing to the NFL. So getting guys that produce to the high level. And he'd be wrong if that's really what he said. At the most NFL-rich, talent-rich conference in college, I think they will do well. But, look, we won't know until they actually get on the NFL. NFL field and make plays. But going to another one of my teams, the Miami Dolphins, I absolutely love what they did. 28! Fuck that list, alright? Jack Litt. Yeah, fuck him too. I think the Dolphins, you know, Ben Lynn, Troy Aikman, Sully, Halfley, everybody that had anything to do with this list.

2:38:34Look, I know Saban said some things about Proctor, and there's some things that he believes. So that's the biggest I think wild card at the top of the draft in the first round. But after I saw his tattoo on his knuckles, his His tattoo's been 1972. Obviously, the only undefeated NFL season Super Bowl champs. I'm all in on that guy. It was written. Chris Johnson, the second corner going in the first round. He's on there. Chris Bell, you talked about Deion Branch. That was his wide receiver out of Louisville. I think he'll be a dog. And then the second coming is Zach Thomas on that defense, in the middle of that defense, with Rodriguez out of Texas Tech.

2:39:06Yeah, boom. This is the tattoo I'm talking about. I mean, come on, man. Don't forget about Kyle Lewis. Come on. Dog out of pit. So, dogs all up and down the draft. I love what the Miami Dolphins did in the draft.

2:39:16Pat McAfee:I think Caden Proctor can certainly become something special, especially if he's motivated by everybody saying he won't be able to in the NFL. Conman, what team really surprised you in the draft? I actually went with the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC North. Yeah, kind of Jesse Minter's first draft, and they went right off the bat with the best guard in the draft. There wasn't really a debate on who it was. It was, and I don't want to get this wrong, Vega Yawane, I believe. Nailed it. Is how you say his name. He was consensus unanimous. hey, this guy is a stud right off the bat. He's a big son of a bitch.

2:39:47Protect Lamar Jackson with everything you have. And then, you know, kind of going on the other side of the ball. They just went trenches on the defensive side. Zion Young, who actually was kind of projected to go at the end of the first round to New England. But 6 '6", 260, captain from Missouri Edge. You kind of pair him up with Trey Hendrickson, get that other guy. You can kind of pass that knowledge on to Zion Young being that kind of future. And then the two receivers they took, Jacoby Lane and Elijah Surratt. Surratt being Indiana national champion, played in big games. Back shoulder guy.

2:40:19Exactly. Both big guys for the outside. They've had the, you know, Zay Flowers, great slot, the tight ends in the middle of the field for the past few years. But they finally get kind of outside of the numbers, the guys who stay on that all ball, as you call it. And also, not to mention, they picked the best punter in the draft. You can't forget about the Michigan State boys.

2:40:38Pat McAfee:Ryan Eckley, we saw him bomb balls at the combine. He was clearly the number one guy. Jordan Stout goes to the Giants. Eckley gets drafted. And then don't forget running back Adam Randall, drafted by Bishotti. Yeah. First time they came out and said that Steve Bishotti, owner of the Ravens, said, hey, can I pick a guy? Yeah. I want the running back. And they go, fuck. You own the team, buddy. You own the team. I think that – Yeah, exactly. Well, Eric DeCosta said that was the first time he's ever done that, so he must really like the guy. Yeah, you can fuck. We got three fifth rounders. You can certainly pick one of them.

2:41:13Pat McAfee:Pick one of them. Yeah, that's not the first time or the last time that an owner has done that. We've heard the story from Jim Irsay whenever Jonathan Taylor was in the draft that, you know, the coach trade up for him, and we're excited for that. We're, like, excited for them to trade up and everything. Then we hear the story. Jim Irsay looked at Chris Ballard allegedly and said, hey, we really like Jonathan Taylor, right, brother? How long are we just going to sit here and let this kind of happen? And then Chris Ballard makes a trade. It almost felt like it was an okay. Let's go do it. And they get Jonathan Taylor, and that's obviously a massive thing.

2:41:44Pat McAfee:So ownership on draft night, and I'm not saying that Jim Mercer told him to do this, but he basically nudged him to be like, hey, let's go. I love him too. Hey, we all kind of love this guy. That's all you need on draft night is an owner just to be like, actually, I want that quarterback right there at this time right now. and the team is like, well, we've done months and months of scouting. Exactly. And fuck it. Yep. Let's send it in. That happens in the draft. That has happened and will continue to happen, especially by the teams that are the people that are footing the bill for it all, AJ. Yeah, I wonder, like, over the course of the draft, how many teams have tried to, like, keep their owner maybe occupied.

2:42:25Hey, hey, you know, make sure he's, you know, while we're making this pick, We try to take a long time making us coffee. Do whatever it takes to keep him out of the room until we make the pick, and then we can celebrate it. Because I'm sure there has been owners that step in day of the draft or day before, like you said, when all these scouts have packets on every single player. They've been scouting them forever. And the owner just says, no, I want this guy right here. Take care.

2:42:46Pat McAfee:I was watching an Instagram post. Yep. My 13-year-old nephew showed me this. Did you see this guy? He ran up a brick building. Let's take him. Who was that? Was that real? Yes, it was real. It was the Chiefs wide receiver. Is that actually who he is, though? Is that who that is in the video? Yeah. Are we 100 % sure? Well, I'm not 100 % sure about anything. I don't think so. I think it's obviously – we've seen it a few times in the past. Yeah. But I didn't know if it was still Guy. Caldwell, I believe. In the past from now. Josh? There is certainly freak – I mean, there was a 6 '7 guy drafted this weekend.

2:43:26How about the guy that's never played football before? He's like 310 pounds, ran a 4.63. Yeah, the Eagles took him. That guy might be unbelievable. People brought that up.

2:43:37Pat McAfee:Guy never played football before gets drafted. Guy who's a finalist for the Heisman and created Vanderbilt as a football team doesn't get drafted. It is crazy how everything is just on the projection of what you could be in the NFL. That is how the draft works. That legitimately is the business. Welcome to the business, man. UFL could fork over some money to Diego Pavia, right, for him to play a few weeks. Maybe. How many weeks we got left? He said I'll go bankrupt. Fuck. That's true. That's true. He said needs the horses to win. Need one this weekend. Okay, if we want to keep this UFL thing going, we're going to need one of these horses, either zany or renegade, to fucking run their best round.

2:44:11Pat McAfee:I'm 0 for 8 at the Derby. Three scratches, two of them being favorites. Some would say I'm fucking bad puck. Not me, though. I say what a fucking opportunity we have. Exactly. He has that Gary Vee shit. He does. He does. I like it, though. I like his positivity, though. It wears off on people. He sold me. Yeah, he got me. I haven't laughed that hard for a league's owner. Yeah. Maybe ever. Bashadi, probably. Yeah. And him just calling in draft picks. I love that he's getting a little bit more hands-on. What a time. NBA playoffs tonight. Let's go ahead and enjoy the hell out of that. Come on now.

2:44:45Pat McAfee:A couple game fours. Huge ones. A couple game fives. I'll game five. Pistons better figure it out. Must win game for the Pistons. Must win game for the Pittsburgh Penguins against the Philadelphia Flyers back home. There's a lot of conversation about what uniforms the Penguins are wearing. Have you seen that, Nick? What's going on there? Yeah, you know, the gold was a nice touch during the season. You pull out a retro jersey, kind of a throwback-inspired jersey, something cool to change things up. This is the playoffs. It's time to get serious. You don't want to be wearing that. Somehow the decision was made to wear that gold uniform in the first round of the playoffs.

2:45:18I thought it was only going to be a game or two. Turns out you have to tell the NHL what uniform you're wearing rode in away, and you're locked into that. You cannot change during each round.

2:45:27Pat McAfee:There's no way Gary Bettman in the league want them wearing that ass jersey this entire time. They got to go back to the black ones. Put the classic black back on, boys. We're back home. We need to win. Can't be losing to the goddamn Flyers. I'll tell you, though, watching that Flyers team, that's a group of bad man majamas over there. It's a good hockey team. That is a good hockey team. Dancing with great hockey team. Now greatest, Sidney Crosby, seemingly woke up. Yeah, he did. How about Tanger getting a nice go? That felt like old school Tanger there, him feeling free and actually letting one rip.

2:46:02Pat McAfee:Gino Malkin was on the ice the entire game when we were there. Oh, yeah. 71 was all over the place. So he didn't want to set himself up. Yeah, I love it. Now, there's a thought that maybe he was done in Pittsburgh, but I guess now there's a thought that maybe he'll come back again and we'll run it back with the boys if something was to happen. It's like, let's just win right now. Let's just win Stanley Cup. One game out of town. Those are good, Tart. Yeah. That's a way. Those are a way. The home ones are the problem. That's a way. They're piss orange. They suck. They're bad. We saw them. That's what they lost in.

2:46:30Pat McAfee:That's what 3-0. That's what they lost in. I thought they were nice. No, they're pissed. That's because you haven't seen the others up there. Yeah, they're nice. Yeah, I don't mind those. They are nice. Those are piss. For a game or two. Not the classics, man. This is a playoff. They're alternates. It's black and yellow, black and yellow. Not yellow with black. Yellow with black. It's black and yellow, okay? It's a good accent killer, yellow, okay, because it's a lot. But this is not what we need to be wearing, especially if we're going to be losing to the Flyers. Yeah, exactly. Like the Anaheim Ducks, they can get away with it because they went through this, like, terrible phase, completely have a new team.

2:47:07That's why they got the bright orange with the throwback logo, those ones. That's not what they wore when they won the Cup. Now, the Penguins still have the same team. So why would you change their jerseys when that team won two cups in those black jerseys?

2:47:22Pat McAfee:I don't like any of it. There's decisions being made above our heads that we don't like. It's probably Fenway Sports Group's fault. They probably did it before they sold the team or some shit. Yeah, they don't have a say anymore. Mammuth, also a big one tonight after the Penguins. Hey, Utah, not bad. Utah about to take down the Golden Knights with Torts coming in there. Golden Knights are in trouble. These games are late, but Utah's doing it, Ty. Yeah, and that's the biggest problem. These games are really fucking late, like really late. You know, tonight I'll be locked in because it's a 930 puck drop, which I absolutely love.

2:47:531030 is, you know, kind of pushing it a little bit. But, hey, you know, that's kind of just the way it goes in hockey is you cannot take the expansion teams lightly. You just can't. These teams that pick up, move, start new somewhere, they're always good. They're always feisty. And now we'll see, you know, because is the tide turn a little bit? You know, it was sunshine and rainbows in Vegas. Torch is undefeated. He hasn't lost yet. But I assume he has been just the biggest horse's ass for the last four days or so. So I don't know. Do the boys respond to that? Or do the guys, are they in the change room?

2:48:23Are they already like, you know what? Fuck torts. Let's kind of just pack it in. We'll be done. And then we'll end the season. I don't see that happening.

2:48:29Pat McAfee:Ryan Smith really baby-facing over there. Yeah, big time. I mean, every single thing he does is sweet, though. You know, like the Zameth is one of the coolest things to come to the NHL. And then not to mention, we've got a couple unbelievable Tusk mugs. You got to be pretty careful when you're drinking out of those just because the bubbles that kind of perforate from the bottom when you go to chug. But, I mean, they're doing everything right. And when you own the Jazz, and they won't make the playoffs for at least 15 more years. No. Put all your focus into the Utah Mammoth. I mean, you might as well just ride the wave.

2:49:01Pat McAfee:Yeah, the Utah Mammoth, also known as the Mammoth. Toss up. How you doing with the Zameth Zamboni, which is obviously special. Ryan Smith also has eight fans in his suite tonight, randomly. Really? Random fans sitting in his suite. And I think he has those ledge seats, too, that look over the ice. Oh, on that corner. Yeah, you're actually in it before they do. Donate a bunch of money or win a lottery or what? Just a giveaway. I think he does it on his ice. Yeah, he just said, tell me why you deserve to come watch the game. It's a dangerous decision. I'm hosting eight Mammoth fans in my suite on Friday for our first home playoff game ever.

2:49:31Pat McAfee:Who should go and why? Then he followed it up. Vibes were nice last game, cuz. Let's keep this going with eight more seats in the suite for tomorrow. Tell me who and why. You know, so there's probably people submitting other people potentially. Hey, you need to let at Zameth Monster or in because they've been a fan since jump with their kid. Also, they named their kid Tusk. That's kind of cool. That's a good name. But it does remind me we need to shrink the game. All those international fans making picks on Saturday. That was bullshit. I appreciate the Canadian calling me out. I respected that.

2:50:11Pat McAfee:You didn't like the German? No, I didn't love her. I didn't love a lot of it, okay? This is the draft, okay? Shrink the game. So I saw a lot of people say to me when I do a draft pick, they're like, just say it and get the hell out of the way. And it's like, well, what the fuck am I here for? You know, like, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? I'm just walking. Yeah, I know who you are, though. You think they picked me to fucking do this? So Bachelor Boys, by the way, the band had been killing it all weekend. And at this point, remember me, Dio, and Paul Puslesny, Coon a little bit in the back with his friend from Brookville.

2:50:47Pat McAfee:You know, we're having a – It's a tank cocktail, Steve. We weren't. We're having a good time. It's a show. We're just reading from the – get out of here. Like, they're trying to make it a show. There's 200 ,000 people out there just sitting there. Just go out there and read it. It is a – Whoa. It is an honor to be a part of it. Where did it go? Minds were blown. Holy smokes. I don't want to say anything, but ESPN missed the magic trick. The ESPN broadcast missed the magic trick. They zoomed out while I was doing the thing. It's the whole part of it. And then they come back and I go, fans like this fucking asshole.

2:51:23Pat McAfee:You missed the trick. You missed the whole thing. But boom, you missed it. It's gone. I'm doing a fucking magic trick right now. Yeah, you know, you kind of blend away. Yes. Remember when I used to leap?

2:51:41Pat McAfee:First ever magic trick in a draft. I felt good about it. There's people who are pissed. It's just never ending. It's never ending. The IWC still bringing it. Still. They're still bringing it. I'm just blocking people at a rapid rate right now. This guy's fucking everywhere. Get him out of my life. I check them. They're following me. It's like, brother, let me fix this. I'll help you out here. Let me fix this entirety thing. The draft was fun, though. That was cool to be a part of. I can't believe we get to do that. Fallout of draft, people talking, the new eight-minute thing fucked up a lot of shows.

2:52:13Pat McAfee:Us included. Production? It definitely changes it. I don't think... So the trades were announced on the internet. That's first time ever. Normally, Goodell come up and say, this pick has been traded to this. So there's a little bit of a heads up. And also, for all the other shows, I assume, whenever a team is on the clock now, we have all the shit for when they're on the clock. Okay, this team's on the clock. Here's the moves that they've made. Here's the losses. Here's the season. Here's the highlights. Here's the lowlights. Let's go to this person for expert advice on this. Let's talk about this.

2:52:41Pat McAfee:Bang. Pick is in. Sweet. Who do we think it is? Great. Let's go to the pick. Sweet. Let's do follow-up. Interview a person on stage, which could create an incredible moment. Let's get away from that. Let's break down some film. Okay, who's on the clock next? There's probably, we don't know those other shows, but from watching it over the years, I would assume that there is a formula that has been used for a long time. So whenever that was 10 minutes in between and the trades were getting announced, I think you could hit all of them. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And the only reason why I assumed that was happening to others is because it was happening to us.

2:53:12Pat McAfee:Whenever the picks were just being announced on the internet, we had to learn that quickly. We had to learn, like, okay, this shit's not being announced so we can get to the next person. But, like, every time I wanted to go to the Bunker Boys for a breakdown of what could potentially be coming, like, Tone, what happened to this team? What could they be thinking? And Schrag's having a conversation. It was like, well, actually, the pick is in. Now we got Coach Cower here. So you got to look at Coach Cowher like, hey, you got something good on this? And then, okay, we're going to send it somewhere else.

2:53:35And then somebody would talk and then he would, I have something.

2:53:38Pat McAfee:It's like, okay, don't talk into the microphone. You are still alive in this entire thing. But by the time that happened, the next pick was already in. So it was like everybody, I think, had a lot of plans for what it was going to be. And then that back half where there's normally a lot of fill, a lot of shenanigans normally would be where we would kind of come in. that shit was bang bang bang bang bang bang bang with trade pick trade pick trade pick so i think it was a little bit different this year for everybody and i think some people were trying to catch up us included in it all but dodge duck dive duck and dodging your way through the draft is a fun time i had a blast over there aj oh it was awesome and i think obviously we all know eight minutes is better no matter what the shows will all the shows will adjust as it moves on and they do this but yeah keeping it like concise it's still what was two hours and 50 or 240 something compared to...

2:54:25Pat McAfee:253, I think. Yeah, compared to what? Over three the last five, ten years. Like, they've been crazy long at times. So, yeah, they're trending in the right direction. No question when it comes to the timing. Everybody was seemingly happy about their picks. Yeah. They actually... It felt most positive. For sure. I might be wrong. I'm sure there will be somebody who says that I have no idea what I'm talking about because there's probably a couple teams that aren't happy, but it felt like the most amount I like. Okay. Yeah. And from the teams that are usually the most negative. Like you talked about the Jets fans.

2:54:58They're happy. Browns fans. Like the teams that you would expect to be like, of course, we did it again. We screwed up. Are the exact opposite. And then even the 49ers fans. I don't think there are many 49ers fans as pissed as the internet kind of portrays in a sense.

2:55:14Pat McAfee:I'm happy that we get to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow. Won't we? Hell yeah, we will. God willing. God willing. God willing. God wills it. And that goes back to conversation. Bingo. You're right. I'd like you all to die after me. Let's keep that going. Okay. We're on pace for that. Let's never forget it. Off season starts today. Off season workout program starts today. Here we go. What are you doing? Get healthy. Just how? You know, daily workouts, sauna, eating better. You're going to be doing all that? Yep. Morning or afternoon. I'll meet you. Science morning. Okay. Well, don't run.

2:55:52No, I'm definitely not running.

2:55:53Pat McAfee:Don't run. You can actually just fucking tear your entire ankle up. Just running? Just running, apparently. That's not real. Yeah, it can be one and a half miles into a run. Mm-hmm. Gliding with your big-ass motor. Just getting after it. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And then all of a sudden, you just take one step, feel it popping, and bang, yeah, completely broken ankle. No. What kind of shoes? Some of those big super-duper runner ones. Yeah. Not the Adidas. Out of zero. Adios. Zero. Definitely nothing. Those are breaking records. Those are coming out today, I think. Two minutes sold out. Yeah, those things are gone.

2:56:30Pat McAfee:He wasn't wearing these, but Bailey McComb has shredded his ankle. Yep. That's how I'm hopping around today. Was he running on the side of the road when this happened? Yes. Yeah, he was just running. He said just casually running. Did he crawl home? How did he get out of there? Well, he probably hopped on his one foot, which is what he's doing now. He doesn't have a full cast on. They got that thing fully wrapped, ready for, I assume, surgery or something coming up. I don't know what's next. But he's just hopping and jumping up and down with this. I'm like, hey, bub, that thing's supposed to be pretty.

2:56:58Pat McAfee:You're not supposed to be just bouncing that. So it's ankle or foot? I think it's ankle. Ankle. You got to get adopted, child. Take a look at it. It's not a bad idea. Especially through a zoo. We also got to take Bailey to church. I'm going to go to church and get a good prayer over to Bill. It's not a bad idea either. Shit. We got fires, cars just fucking flying out of the sky. You're right. Karma was. You're right. I'll pray for my guy. Love you, Bill. Love you, Bill. Love you, Bill. Good luck, Bill. He was acting like a real asshole, though, with that broken ankle this morning. You know? What do you mean?

2:57:30Pat McAfee:Just jumping around, running around, like just completely out of pocket. Like, hey. No, you're Foxy laughing. Oh, yeah. Foxy was so happy. You should hear Gumpy's cackle in there. Yeah, Gumpy's got a full ho, ho, ho, ho, you know. Foxy's been meaning, too. You asshole. He's not being meaning. He's just telling him, like, sorry, Bill, that happened. Obviously, this happens to you. I was laughing my ass off. If Bill opened the front door that much before he could be all chipper and scream, hey, Foxy, as he's crutching in this morning. I mean, I had to laugh in his face. Yeah. I mean, hey, that's Bill football there.

2:58:05Pat McAfee:He's shown up here before completely black and blue his whole body. Oh, yeah. I have no idea. I mean, he's been through it. He's been through it. You're right. I think prayer is really. Yeah. Love you, Bill. Because we should bring somebody in here a prayer over him. We'll do that maybe tomorrow. Okay. Is he still going to be able to get down to his cellar to feed his victims? There's the x-ray of his ankle. I guess it's pretty well cracked in there. Yep, big circle. I assume the doctor immediately after pointing this out to him said, so what we need to do is not be too, like, risk. Like, let's keep this thing compact and tight together.

2:58:39Pat McAfee:Let's not move it much. And Bill said, you got it, doc. Fucking hopped out of there on one foot. That's a hairline fracture. He's fine. Take that boot off. He doesn't even have a boot on. That's kind of part of the problem. Yeah, he needs a boot. I think when we get to the boot stage, we'll be good. We got summer ahead in Bills. Yeah, not a good time to break your ankle. Just running. Speaking of running, did you see this fucking guy? So fast. Sebastian Salway. Salway is his name. An hour, 59 minutes, 26 miles. What? How's that work? 4.33 average. For 26.26 miles or whatever the case is, hour 59 fastest of all time happened this past weekend he's wearing the brand new audi zero audios three shoes and the reason why we bring that up is because he wasn't the only one that was record-breaking this weekend and running while wearing these particular shoes which might be the next gimmick somebody else broke some record as well while wearing the audi zero audioses i think it was the woman i think it was the woman yes and then i believe also the second place uh finisher in that marathon also broke two hours.

2:59:49And I'm not sure if they had the same shoes on, but it was a couple world records there.

2:59:53Pat McAfee:Yeah, so I guess the Audi Zero, this one is the one here. This is like the, this is the, it's sub 100 something grams maybe. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's like, it's a super shoe. Those are like, they're similar to, Nike came out with a pair that people thought were like illegal, didn't they? Same thing. So the article I read is that Nike spent a bunch of money trying to get somebody under two. Yeah, breaking two was like a huge thing that they were doing. And it turns out like Adidas actually was the one that ended up doing it. And it's with a super shoe that's super light, I guess. And hopefully if you just run it, you don't just break your ankle like Bill Becoves did.

3:00:27Pat McAfee:While he was running out there. 500? Yeah, and a safe set to respective marathon records and Adidas' new shoe, the Audi Zero Audios Pro Evo 3. I missed a couple words there. I apologize. The shoe is Adidas' first ever sub-hundred grand super shoe and is set to release today for$500. Sold out in two minutes, I guess. Jeez. So there's runners around the country now that are putting these on and they're going to hold up traffic, but just know that they're floating and moving better than ever before. Shout out to that. And shout out to Savoy doing it and Asafa, I believe. That would be the name. You ever run a marathon?

3:01:04Pat McAfee:Fuck no. I hate running. Me too. I'm a sprinter. This guy sprinted a marathon. Yeah, 433, that's insane. Insanity. Like just one mile. So then you go back through the history books. I guess something happened in – there's a Hembo sent over some stats. Yeah. Sub 2 hours and 10-minute marathon, 1967, Derek Clayton. They were doing it. Okay. Sub 2 hours and 5-minute marathon, Paul Turrigoth. Remember that one. sub 202 2018 ilud kipchoge and then sub two hours first time ever sebastian solway so i mean people have been running ridiculous times for a long time isn't it crazy that 11 minutes or 10 minutes is the difference between 1967 and 2026 with all the advancement in technology and the super shoes and everything like that yeah that's what's crazy just like if you look at the from 26 to 2003 like it's a five-minute difference it took i mean how many years is that 36 from 67 to 2003 just to make a five-minute difference like that is literally the just the evolution of the shoe it's crazy evolution of the shoe evolution of training and you would think there'd be a much different like a much better result now than there was then but then i go back to watching like uh track in the 100 meter whenever the olympics was around and he talked about like the they had black and white film on what the fastest was running then and then what the fastest is running now it's like half a second or something we've gotten better which is crazy to think about because there's no way if you drop me back in time that i saw one of those fucking bums that i would definitely think i'm faster then no questions asked i don't even have good fucking shoes on you're not even how to stretch your hamstrings buddy no this guy has no idea and then they're running a fucking 10 whatever it's like wow humans have always been able to move it seems like modern advances in technology certainly helped but nowhere near as much as i think i expected no i see the same but i mean obviously everybody's getting you know bigger faster i'm seeing high school kids you go you go to a high school state meeting it's like 10 flat 10 1 10 2 it's like fourth place is like 10 3 and that was like even when we were coming up high school you ran a 10 10.3 like you were fucking moving walter dicks i ran against him he ended up winning a silver medal uh that same year uh boat blew that shit out but i mean it's the evolution is crazy these numbers are crazy but Sprinters, I mean, I think it'll be a while before we see someone break Usain's record.

3:03:35Actually, we got a guy. I see it. I see it. Australian. Yeah, he set the record for, I think, under 20 in the 100-meter new world record. He is, like, the next one.

3:03:46Pat McAfee:Wasn't Bolt, like, running slow so he can break his own record? Yeah, yeah. He probably could have. Like, 20 meters left. Let me go ahead and stop running. So then the next time I'll run with 10 meters left, I'll just go. He broke his own record, like, four times. It's good business. Insane. He was awesome. Bolt was incredible. I mean, we were all pulling for him. Oh, yeah. Come on, Jamaica. Beat the shit out of the Americans. It's like the peak of the Olympics, I feel like. USA Hockey? Yeah, well, growing up. Sorry, and that was summer. Phelps going crazy. Yeah, Phelps and Bolt were crazy. They carried it.

3:04:16Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. Bolt and Phelps. How many Olympics were they together? Did Phelps have, what, two more? One on the front, one on the back? Swimmers go forever. Yeah, they go a long time.

3:04:32Pat McAfee:Good breaststroke Thank you Yeah, Gaukau did 10-0-4 at 16 years old Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps Appear together in three Olympic games Yeah, I mean they fucking carried 12 years Yeah, four of those was the redeem team too Oh I'll tell you what, the Olympics are not bad Is the World Cup going to be great? When does it start? It's always great June 3rd? Yeah, first week of June Oh, Gumpy's looking up the stats It always delivers I thought for sure we'd hear a Canadian voice there answer that question. I don't know if the U.S. is going to have it on me there. Hey, Gumpy, just a quick question. How can we sign a 35-year-old guy that's in La Liga 2 that punches people in the face?

3:05:11Andrada?

3:05:12Pat McAfee:How do we get him on Team USA? Where is he from? Argentina? He's an Argentinian goalkeeper, 35 years old. I don't think he's going to be playing for anybody for quite some time. He might be getting kicked off this squad. La Liga 2 here, which is the second league in Spain, 35-year-old goalie. Friday, Argentina, gets a red card and says, you know what, if that's a kid. Let me really earn one here. And here's another guy. You can eat some too. The other goalie comes in. Bench is clear. Obviously, people from the crowd also going to end up getting in there. And soccer is awesome all of a sudden with a red card leading to a full-out brawl.

3:05:45Pat McAfee:AJ, 35-year-old Andrade. Andrade. Andrade. Esteban Andrade. Andrade said, listen, if I'm going to go out, I'm going to earn it at least. And crow hops a couple people in the face. How do you feel about it, AJ? just his soccer. I feel really good about it because if you watch this flop right here, he's the strongest human alive. Oh, boom. Dead right away. So yeah, credit to him for chasing him down and landing a clean shot. But then also all the guys that grabbed him, we never saw anybody throw any punches. They just kind of held on. They didn't really care to retaliate too much. Boom. Can you imagine that in a football field?

3:06:18What did he say? I don't know.

3:06:20Pat McAfee:And was that his second yellow, then a red? Is that what I saw? Did the goalie already punch somebody or did he get an automatic red? Can we go back to the beginning here. Okay, so there's the ref talking. You need to relax. Get out of my face. Good sell out of the guy. Ref comes sprinting out like, you can't do that. You can't do that. Get back. What's he giving him? I think he goes yellow card and then red card. So that was two yellows. So he already has one yellow. Is that what we're learning here? That punch right there would technically be he had two yellows that led to a red and then a definite red at the end.

3:06:51Pat McAfee:That guy collected three, four cards in one game. I like this guy a lot. How do we get him? Get him on Ponch's staff, at least. Yeah. We need it. Yeah. A little bit of fight from the last. Yeah. Actually. Director of fighting. TST. That's his future. 35 years old. Just punched a guy in the face. He is a direct pipeline to carry North Carolina for that TST. Yeah, he is. Gumby, how's Team America doing? I know we were asked there for a bit. Have we found our squad? Yeah, Ponch is going to figure it out. He'll have the boys ready for the tourney. Okay. So what are we learning today? Ponch will figure it out.

3:07:25Pat McAfee:We think George Pickens is signing the franchise tag, even though it was reported by everybody that he had signed the franchise tag. Rapoli will go bankrupt trying to make the UFL work. Pens are going to win tonight. He's willing to go bankrupt. He's not going to. Yeah, the way I put the emphasis on that was definitely wrong. But, you know, point remains. He's all in. Yeah, he is all in. Pens play tonight, need a win. Kentucky Derby this weekend. renegade and zany kind of like holding up the ufo amongst some other businesses that he also runs lebron's the goat lebron james greatest of all time nebulous learn another one that feels kind of hazy there what's going on alien wasn't really a drive-by by shams it's more like a stop and park for a while can you run that video again because there's multiple parts of the lyrics of the song that he kind of blew right through go ahead please yeah yeah it's a shams drive-by just need a high five It was like 20.

3:08:23Pat McAfee:Did like five of those. 20. Still has that fork. Duffing everything. Yeah. You know, and that's the Shams kind of cruise, I guess. Yeah. He had all the information. He just wanted to get it out. This is a good graphic. That is a good graphic. Fast questions, real answers. All NBA, no filter. The Shams Drive-By with Shams Sharania. Hot, hot, hot. Who made that one? Me. He did.

3:09:03And GPT.

3:09:06Pat McAfee:I'm getting real comfortable on that thing. I wonder if people are starting to feel a little heat in the seat around here with how much me and all of GPT are becoming one with each other. I got a couple movies sitting in there. Put them scene by scene. Sure. Pictures. I mean, we got a book in there. Mm-hmm. Graphics can certainly do that. Lay up. You can get lost in there. This is fucking unbelievable. Let alone the music.

3:09:36Pat McAfee:People get mad about it that are super musical. It's like, okay, we got a song that we won't get sued about. That is very relevant to the topic. In 47 seconds. Yeah, bingo. Catch up. This is what everybody's going to be doing. This is what the world is going to become. Always will need a human. Always will need a human to wrangle. You know, Rapoli talks about having the greatest jockey. Going to need humans to kind of jockey the AI forever. But if you get comfortable with it, man, it's crazy how much it can really... It's going to be tough to keep my daughter and baby boy on the way away from it.

3:10:10Pat McAfee:You know, because it's like, hey, this is available. It has all the fucking answers. I should maybe teach you how to be great at this. Or you should not learn this until you are of age, and you need to learn what actual life is. That's a dilemma. It's quite the dilemma. We'll kind of go through it together. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice in my change of life. We're in this thing together. I appreciate you all so much. Thank you for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be back tomorrow reacting to the NBA, the NHL, the NFL dreams and news. And also, is MLB happening or what? Oh, yeah, yeah.

3:10:41Actually, big news. Red Sox just fired their manager, which is kind of crazy. He was signed through for several more years. Three of the six highest payrolls in baseball currently have three of the worst records in baseball. That would be the Mets, the Phillies, and the Red Sox. So you can't just buy a title over it?

3:10:57Pat McAfee:I thought you could do that. That's what they were telling me about the Dodgers. Dodgers are very good. So some teams it works out, some teams it doesn't. That's kind of the way the cookie crumbles. So they're not going to be able to get a deal done on why somebody should not be allowed to spend money because the teams that are spending money are also ass, even though the team that's spending the most money just so happens to be the absolute best. Yeah. I mean, yeah. What are you going to do? Hey, you can spend all that money if your team still fucking sucks or if you don't pay the right players or put the right collection of people together.

3:11:23You're going to be hammered dog shit. And that's like the Mets and the Phillies and the Red Sox.

3:11:27Pat McAfee:So maybe the Dodgers have a little talent too. They definitely have that. They have a lot of talent. Calling it top six, they also have more money. They spend more money by like what? Yeah. $200 million. Yeah, they've spent a lot more money than everyone else. So saying top six is one thing. Let's list them out. Don't they work the books too a little differently? They work the books, sure. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. We can't thank you all enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll see you tomorrow. Team on me, team on three.

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