PMS 2.0 1546 - Chris Paul, Cherie DeVaux, PK Subban, Jason Licht

17:25Pat McAfee:Can you still shoot it or no? Did you lose that? No, don't play with me like that. Never know. I didn't know. Don't try me like that. Don't try me like that. Can you still kick it? Can you still kick the ball through the uprights? I doubt it, man. Actually, I doubt it. I don't know. By right. Remember, TSD and left. I was both those. But TSD, remember last time I kicked the ball, I literally blew out my hip flexor. It was over for you. My last time, yeah. That's my last time ever doing it. That's why every time we do this college game, they're like field goal kick thing. You know, people are like, are you going to kick it for them?

18:00Pat McAfee:It's like, I doubt it, man. If we want them to win, I don't know if that's the right thing to do right now. But I'll get back on the word. I got kids to take care of now. Exactly. Potentially, yeah, kids with the S coming here very soon. It's crazy to think about, actually. We just talked about right before we went live. You're a full-time dad. I mean, you traveled across the country to be dad right now. You're coaching your ass off to be dad right now. Okay, let's talk about coaching, actually. now that we're in this convo. Let's stick with that game with Minnesota stealing one in San Antonio.

18:24Pat McAfee:I noticed something, and we kind of broke it down earlier. It feels like whenever this ball is missed and a rebound is had, there is a slight little potential look to the sideline on what we're going to do. Two timeouts left for the San Antonio Spurs right here. Right there. Yes, you saw it too. Okay, okay. So what is this, you think? And is this normal? And two timeouts left. What are your thoughts on San Antonio Spurs taking one there and being able to move it to front court or whatever the hell it is? man it's so hard in these situations right because everyone always says i would do this or i would do that if you stop when it stopped right here if you see de 'aron fox he's looking right over at mitch if you see vic right here you see wimby right here he stopped and they're not sure if they're gonna call a timeout and i'm one of those people that i i don't mind not calling a timeout right because when you call a timeout it allows the team to set their defense get their best defenders in And right here they decided to go, but you could see that the guys were unsure.

19:20They still got a great shot from Champ, from Jew, who is a great shooter. Obviously, that's one of those things. He makes the shot. Everyone goes nuts. If he misses it, now you've got everybody saying that, oh, they should have called him out.

19:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, I'm the person actually that said that. Yeah, because my immediate thought is you got Wemby there. Let's draw up the perfect play for Wemby because you're down two right now. We don't necessarily need a three. So in my head, I immediately go, oh, two timeouts, which is interesting to just put the number two there for NBC, okay, as the timeouts. Interesting. I like that. My eyes will get used to that and reading that. But it's like I feel like you want to set something up, but then you get a wide-open shot, so then you feel like a hypocrite kind of, and then you do feel like the Monday morning quarterback in the entire process.

19:59Pat McAfee:But let's talk about them getting the thing and looking over at the coach. Us in college football used to have everybody looking over to the coach, call the play. How often are coaches calling plays, and is this one of those moments where maybe he did call a play from the sideline and he decided to run that? I don't think it's a play. You don't have enough time to run a play because it's seven seconds. But if you could see Mitch here, which I can't see it in this view, but I watched this play over and over. Yeah, that's not Mitch there. That's Finch. That's the coach from Minnesota. Yeah, I thought that's what we were talking about.

20:30Okay, yeah. You can see Mitch right now. Mitch is telling him to go, right? So knowing the league and knowing Mitch and how prepared he definitely always wants to be, he is probably, they're talking about as a team is they just want clarity. They want to make sure everybody on the same page.

20:48Pat McAfee:Okay, so what we're saying is Spurs can still learn from this. They keep it moving. Minnesota's stealing one, though, gigantic on the road. Always, I feel like that's a best-of-seven series convo in your guys' sports is like, all we're trying to do is win at home, steal on the road. Now they get the first one against San Antonio Spurs. Good for them in the entire, okay, let's go to New York. A man who is unstoppable, seemingly. The Brunson burner is certainly cooking in Madison Square Garden. three straight games with at least a 30-point lead at one point in the playoffs. First time ever. They're demolishing folks right now, obviously, with what they did to Atlanta.

21:22Pat McAfee:And now to start this series. Your thoughts on Jalen Brunson and how he's become so damn effective? We watched him last year. Felt like he never missed. I guess he doesn't. That's just kind of his thing, Chris. Man, Jalen's so tough, man. He's one of those guys that you can't speed him up. He's going to go at his own pace. if they don't find a way to slow him down, then it's going to be a long series. It's going to be probably a quick series. But Jalen, he just gets to his spots. He can play against taller defenders, smaller defenders. But the Knicks go as he go, and especially his captain is going too.

21:58Okay, so how tall are you? I'm maybe 6 '1", 6 '1", on a good day.

22:05Pat McAfee:Oh, I like that, 5 '11". Okay, so how tall? How tall is Jalen Brunson? Is he about 6 '2"? So about 6 '6"? It does feel like similar places. Yeah, it's probably about the same, right? Okay, so how long have you known Jalen? I assume that you have talked to him, right? Similar play, similar position, similar sizes, similar build. Obviously, his dad's been around the game forever. You, been around the game forever. How is your relationship with Jalen? And what have you seen him kind of grow? You said get to his spots, and he doesn't speed up or anything like that. It feels like he's just unflappable.

22:38Pat McAfee:Has that how he's always been? And I just haven't, we haven't all seen it as much or he's an undeniable. It feels like whenever he gets in these games. I don't know. Jalen probably since he was like in eighth grade. Yeah. His, his dad actually spent the summer with me traveling with me as my trainer. So I know him, his family. I was actually at the final four game with my son to watch him play when he was at Villanova. So I'm not surprised by any of the stuff that I see. He's always been steady, poised, and he just knows the game. He's fun to watch, man. He is fun to watch. And, boy, you win a title for the Knicks.

23:16Cameron said you don't believe him. What a morning by Cameron. What a morning. I don't know if you got to see it. He was on First Take, Cam was, the entire show, and he did it. He needs to be on there all the time. Let's get Mace's ass in there as well.

23:33Pat McAfee:I mean, it was special. He's a New Yorker, though. He said he doesn't know if he needs to believe in the Knicks yet at this exact moment. You believe in the Knicks? I definitely believe in the Knicks. I definitely believe in the Knicks. I know it's going to be a tough series, though, because as long as Tyrese Maxey over there leading that team, then you always got a chance. And Maxey struggled last night, right? I think he only had eight or nine field goal attempts, which that's unusual for him. So he's going to get going at some point. I know that. He's the fastest person you've ever tried to guard?

24:05Tyrese be moving. Keep me moving. What are you doing? You're hanging on?

24:08Pat McAfee:You're hanging on for dear life there? What is the goal there? Man, slowing down. Keep the ball in front of you. See, he's very good with his change of pace, too. He can get you going real fast and stop on the dime, kind of like Darius Garland. They're both very similar like that. So you're just fouling him or what are we doing? There ain't no fouling. There ain't no fouling. I want to let you know that's why I'll use my six. I'll use. You just need to sit down. That's what you need to do. Oh, come on! I'm on the court. Speaking of not being on the court, let's talk about the number one seed in the East.

24:44Pat McAfee:Here's our third takeaway from our conversation with you earlier. Pistons won't be asked to start this series. Now, those are not your words. Those are our takeaway from your conversation about what you believe the Pistons learned in the last series. Is it all on Cade? Is it the entire team? What are your thoughts on the Pistons as they kind of hopefully right the wrong of how they started the last series? I mean, it's their team. I think this is, you know, new territory for them after having the season that they had. But Cade is one of those guys, too, I've known for a long time, and he's just one of them guys you ain't going to rattle to leave with.

25:17Right? Like, don't care what year it is for him. Cade has been the man on every team that he's probably played on ever in his life, and he's one of those guys, I think, that's built for these moments.

25:27Pat McAfee:I love Cade. He had a bunch of turnovers in his first three games. Oh, yeah. That was kind of the big problem. It was like, hey, this guy's turning the ball over every single time he has the damn puck. Yeah, ended up with the fifth most points in NBA history in the seven-game series in the first round. On that note, Tone has a question for you, CP.

25:43Darius Butler:Yeah, Chris, it kind of felt like after the first few games that Cade realized, like, oh, I need to score 40 a game. Like, how is that as being a teammate to everybody, but you do realize, like, you're the superstar and you may need to get 40 a game for your team to win? every game is different every game takes on a personality of its own and when you're a star like cage you gotta you gotta fill it up you gotta figure out which games you need to get your teammates involved and which games you gotta go score and you gotta go get it it's interesting um the 0708 playoffs which seemed like a long time ago when i played against the spurs their game plan was to let me and david west score me and d west were scoring 36 and 38 just about every game and they weren't letting everybody else score.

26:28So you got to see what the defense is doing. Because some teams, their game plan may be, hey, man, let him get his 40 and we still going to win. At the end of the day, you got to see what's working and see if you're winning. That'd be a great night if they let you get 45 and you win. That'd be considered a successful evening in the association.

26:48Pat McAfee:Okay. Thank you for that. That was a great afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, let's run them down. Now, here's CP's top three from our conversations with him earlier this morning. The Brunson burner. Minnesota steals one on the road, and the Pistons won't be asked to start this series. We appreciate that, Chris. Hell yeah, Chris. We appreciate it. Always, fellas, always. You're not leaving yet. We still have more questions, obviously. Jeez Louise. Have to lose. Conman has a question for you, Chris. Yeah, Chris. Hang on, then I do. On that point, just about letting players score, what do you think this Lakers-Thunder series is going to be?

27:22Do you think the Thunder are going to kind of let LeBron and Reeves go, and then you kind of just lock everybody else down for the Lakers? Are they going to go at, you know, SGA, Holmgren? Like, what do you see as kind of the strategy for both these teams, and how do you see it playing out? Because, I mean, LeBron's a 15.5-point underdog. It's going to be impossible not to bet on him, not that you know anything about that, but that is his biggest spread or deficit as a NBA player in his entire career, but how do you see it going between these too? Two things. First of all, I know Braun, I know players in this league is that if you...

27:59First of all, he had no idea probably that they're a 15-point underdog. He just probably know that people picking the thunder to win. So that drives you and motivates you anyway, right? No matter what, you want to shut people up, especially on the road. It's always nice to win road playoff games. And then as far as OKC letting people do stuff, they're just not built like that. They're just not built like that. They're not going to give anybody anything. Now, I'm not sure what their game plan is, but I know whatever it is going to be, it's going to be to play team defense, play with pace. And it sounds simple, but they play the same way every night.

28:34Pat McAfee:Who does SGA remind you of in the history of basketball? Or if you were to mix a couple players from the past that create SGA? Because he, as I just mentioned with Jalen Brunson last year with his run with the Pacers getting to see it in real life, how he would just not miss SGA. I mean, it was, he was so silky. It was the cleanest I've ever seen. And then he was getting free throws left and right. Some people were getting mad. I just thought it was like incredible body control that this guy had. He seemingly, every piece of good basketball that you can have, it feels like it's. It's hard. I don't think of somebody else when I think about Shea.

29:11And I think Shea would probably tell you he's just a mix of a whole bunch of dirt. He just tried to be himself, right? and he just, he gonna get to the bucket if you let him. He gonna take the mid-range if he can, but, you know, his whole game and everything changed when he started shooting more threes.

29:29Pat McAfee:He would have been at the Met Gala last night just absolutely crushing it. Oh, yeah, cool caption. You ever been? You ever been to the Met Gala? No, I haven't been yet. Really? Feels like a lot of NBA guys kind of do the super fashion stuff.

29:43Darius Butler:Yeah.

29:44Pat McAfee:Doesn't it feel that way? Oh, yeah.

29:45Darius Butler:Jimmy Butler was there last night.

29:46Pat McAfee:Yeah, but Dwayne Wade was also there. But it feels like the James Harden video is one of my favorites from Paris Fashion Week where he – Yeah. Is that him and ASAP or Travis Scott? I think I'm a little bit too high for this. And they walked out. It feels like NBA is super fashion, especially with the arrival shots and everything like that. Do you agree with that? Why do you think that – Absolutely. I'm into all that stuff too. It just opened up a whole other revenue for guys that play, and it gives guys the opportunity to show their personality, their style you know there's so much difference in every player and what they're into and it just gave another element y 'all remember my my rookie year is when the dress code was implemented right my rookie year is when they said no more warm suits and all this different type stuff but if you watch i mean when guys walk into the arena now this is literally a runway so businesses have been able to start and thrive over, you know, players and what they're doing.

30:45I love that.

30:46Pat McAfee:What are the rules? Oh, we got to take pictures? Got it. All right, we'll all create our own little clothing. You need to come on the show one day with a tunnel fit. Okay, certainly do that. Is that what Heidi Klum wore last night? Is that a tunnel fit where you put yourself in a costume? I wonder how the birds fit. Yeah. Like this? Is this one that you're talking about? Who is this? That's honey glue from the Met Gala. Come on, dude. That's fashion, Chris. That's not right. You're not going to get invited. You don't pay attention to this type of stuff. Yeah, sure. The Rock showed up. He's wearing it.

31:18What did you used to wear to games? I'm curious. What did you used to wear to games?

31:21Pat McAfee:I mean, pretty much what you saw me every single day. I actually created a shirt because Chuck Pagano instituted some rules on what you're allowed to wear. Had to have a different color than it was shirt. And it had to have, I forget, I think six buttons or something. So he's trying to get rid of the Henley. I created a Henley that had six buttons and had like a stiff color and then wore a sport coat. So I'm pretty basic. I wear Amazon T-shirts every single day and basically the same pair of jeans on repeat, just like 10 pairs. There you go. That's cool. I like it. I like it. Yeah, but I don't, I understand the fashion.

31:55Pat McAfee:Tyrese Halliburton is doing the fashion. I like the fashion. Dark bees. Well, I don't fully understand all of it, though. So like, what are they, they're just saying I can wear this?

32:05Darius Butler:Yeah. Is that why they wear that? Individual expression. It depends on the theme of the gala. The theme of the gala changes everything. And then it also, you know, like, Bad Bunny, he showed up and he was. He was an old man. He was 90 years old. I love that. He was like Johnny Knoxville from that Bad Grandpa movie. I love that he did this. So it's like a Halloween party? It kind of looks like it, kind of, yeah. Yeah, kind of just wear what you want. I fucking love Halloween now. How come Tyrese wasn't there? What's that? How come Halliburton wasn't there? I'm telling you, I think he's still battling right now.

32:35I thought he was at Raw. Yeah, I was running at Raw last night, too. Oh, sorry. I was watching Oba. Yeah, that I mean. Oba Femi's doing his thing. Sorry, Chris.

32:43Pat McAfee:So you'll go to the Met Gala next year, probably, if we had to assume? I'm A. I'm A. You know what I'm saying? I think it's something I've never had an opportunity to do in my career. Pat will go with you. No. No, no. Make sure I would not be invited to that. Have you seen? No way. I don't think my name would ever make that list. But on that note, we need you to kill that shit. Okay? Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson last night, crushed it. Wayne Wade had a tank top look pretty jacked last night. You know, sports represent out there is a good thing. What goes on inside? Do you know? I haven't been.

33:15I haven't been. Yeah, but you know. You know it feels. You're in the know. Maybe we'll never know. Hey, we're not supposed to know. I know that. I know that we're not supposed to know. Okay, let's continue to talk a little bit about playoff hoops, shall we? Go ahead, D-Bud. Yeah, Chris, your experience. Chris, what's the biggest change once you get to the playoffs? And how many years did it take you to get over the hump and win a playoff series as kind of like that lead player? Because you got young players, WinB, obviously, K, they have playoff experience. But what does it take really getting over the hump?

33:44And what's the biggest adjustment, especially for young star players in this level? Yeah, my first time making it to the playoffs was my third year in the league. My third year in the league, and we actually beat Dallas 4-1, the first playoff series. and what you learn is that every game is different. When you win by 30, 35 in one of the games, it doesn't matter. That game is over and done. And the series is all about adjustments. A seven-game series can be long. Injuries can happen. Guys can start making shots, missing shots. But the thing that I think I learned over my career and what I always tried to pass on to teammates when I did become a vet was don't get too high and don't get too low.

34:28So we just all saw that in that last series. You can be up 3-1 and lose, and you can be down 3-1 and win. But in a playoff series, this is the craziest part. I told one of my friends that was playing in the playoffs in the first round, I said, when you win a playoff game, you feel like you're never going to lose again. When you lose a playoff game, you feel like you're never going to win again sometimes. So you just got to try to stay even-keeled. You have a friend that was playing in a playoff game? That's so cool. Hmm. What was wrong with him? Who was he? You're so cool, man. Who was it? He was talking to him.

35:03He was talking to him. Trying to think of who? That was so cool. Could have been anybody. Could have been anybody. Guy played 21 years in the NBA. Yeah.

35:09Pat McAfee:How many all-defensive teams? Well, it depends on who you ask. Seven. I would say seven. Seven, guys. Seven. Unless we start talking about the second team. Oh, then he had nine. I'd count those. Yeah, I'd count those, too. Yeah. I wouldn't. It was a thing. You know, it's a thing in the NBA, too, when guys guard and they play good defense. They, like, put their finger in there. First team, first team, first team. Oh, really? Really? Now you got the patch, too. When do you do that? Okay, so when I'm playing pickup down here and I'm locking people down, which I will, though, because we all, I'm bopping wood.

35:40Pat McAfee:This wood to be specific, but also any wood that we're playing on. As a matter of fact, I'm doing what now? I'm holding when? Whenever they're coming down, I'm bopping wood with one hand. When am I talking about shit? After you get a stop. After you get a stop. And they miss the shot. Just put up, you know, first team. First team. Yeah. I'd probably be 13, though, I think. Maybe fourth. Some guys that do that and they really ain't, but they just – they're just talking. So it's how many – two-point guards? Or is it position-based or is it just defense-based, five and five? I think they changed it.

36:13I think the league changed it almost like they did the All-Star game, where it's like positionless now. It used to be like two guards, two forwards and a center. But I think it's positionless. Now it's just like if you bop wood, we want to acknowledge that. Yeah, it's crazy how they do some of the voting things and whatnot because a lot of times the defensive awards and whatnot, it just goes to stats. What do you mean? Because I think Wemby was unanimous this year right now. He probably got 10 in a row. Yeah, he's going to win a bunch of them because of the books. Yeah, now listen, listen. It ain't going to be up for questions for a long time because Vic is different.

36:52He guard everybody. He guard everybody. He's going to win defensive play. He would have won it last year. I forgot who won that, but he just didn't play enough games.

37:02Pat McAfee:Okay, so do you think he's going to start getting calls on the defensive side? That was my entire take. Everybody had been talking about, you know, a couple maybe goaltendings after the ball touches the backboard, then he blocked it. There was two where we think probably that was the case, and then one that would have been a very tough one. Yes. That was one. There's another one, too, that one. That was the other one. Yeah, but neither of those are going in, but certainly a goaltending call would have given him the points. But on that note, do you think he's getting calls on the defensive side?

37:27Pat McAfee:Like everybody talks about getting calls on the offensive side. Do you think he's getting calls on the defensive side because they don't want to disrespect his shot blocking ability? So maybe there will be some goaltendings that will probably slip by here because he's so dominant. I mean, you could say that, but it's goaltends that happen every night in the league. I get scared for plays like that. When you see him go block the shot and his other arm just be in the rim or all this different, I'd be scared that he gonna get hurt just because watch that look look where his other arm at his hand banging it off a metal I mean gets in a finger there he starts having like broken fingers every night because he's battering him off the bottom of the backboard gets a concussion from the bottom of a room because he's in there going so crazy he's outrated hey see Chris you know him obviously a lot better than we do and you know people of this size a lot better than we do.

38:22Pat McAfee:What is realistic expectation for how big he is? And this is so rude of us to do to him, but we don't think he would ever listen to this show anyway, so maybe he won't hear this. But 15-year career for somebody that size, it seems like a little bit of an anomaly, right? Because the way the humans have been built and seemingly have operated, especially at that size. For him, it feels different, though. They were training like his feet, muscles, and tendons whenever he was growing because they understood he was going to be a giant athlete, basically. What should we expect from Wemby? Because it feels like he's in the best shape.

38:53Pat McAfee:I don't want to sound mean, but the best shape for, like, that tall of an individual that we've ever seen. Yeah. Vic, just expect to see him for a long time. He's not just playing basketball. It's how he prepares for the game. He's doing the stretching. He, like, he's juggling and stuff. He is different in every aspect of it. He prepares, he trains, he does all the little details. And even though he may not watch or whatnot, he's not a dummy. He hears what people say or whatnot, and he acts accordingly. Well, congratulations, mon frère Wemba Yama. Congratulations, mon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Merci beaucoup pour tu parlais au basket.

39:49Yeah, culture. The basket. Thank you. Sounded good. I know this. He knows everything, too. Like, pop culture, he knows everything that's going on. Like, he is, he tapped into any and everything. Oh, so you think he walks up, I go, bonjour, ça va? He goes, ça va, Pat? And I go, Je m 'appelle Pat. He'll probably start laughing at you. Oui, oui. Yeah, that is it. And then I'll drop an au revoir. And I'll keep it moving. Then I want to come back for an actual conversation.

40:21Pat McAfee:Sir, can I talk to you for three minutes? Are you, where are you from? Are you actually, you're an alien? How do we go about doing this? He's special, man. Feels like he's a special talent. And I like the people already coming after him a little bit. They're not real blocks. Okay, this is all fake. It's a triple-double. Coach Potten after the games. I do want to ask you, though, Chris, his usage. Throughout the regular season, he was around kind of that 30-minute mark. And obviously, a lot of these playoff games, you're going to play more than that. How do you feel about him handling that extra load now?

40:48Obviously, you want to go deeper into the playoffs and hopefully win the championship in that team. He's going to be fine with it. And this is what I'll tell you just sort of behind closed doors is guys prepare to play for double overtime or not. That's just the rotations and how it go. Like when you get ready for the playoffs, you training and the guys that are the guys, the stars, the main guy. That's why you see these videos all the time of the star player, like everybody left and that guy is still shooting. Right. Or practice is over. Everybody leaving. This guy is still on the bike or whatnot.

41:23These guys who are the guys, they don't just become that overnight. They put the work in because they know in the fourth quarter they're going to get the ball. They're going to be the responsibility is going to be on them. So, yeah, Vic prepared for what I am.

41:37Pat McAfee:The work ethic tales from the NBA are absurd because obviously the Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan ones. I apologize to both parties there. You know, Jackson, Jordan, game six. But anyways, Michael Jordan's work ethic, outrageous. Kobe Bryant, obviously, they talk about it. Sounds like, and I think you and the way every – LeBron James, obviously, clearly 41 years old. it's like the amount of cardio conditioning, the amount of running, traveling, lack of sleep. It does feel like that is a massive benefit or a bonus if you have it or not. Does everybody have to be in shape? Like how does basketball work?

42:16Pat McAfee:And is it obvious whenever guys aren't and it's like they just get left behind? Like should we assume that everybody that's a star in the NBA is working their asses off? Like I think there's a legendary story about your team potentially working out after a playoff game happened or something like that. Should we assume that everybody we know in the NBA is like that and has that trait or gene? Just about every team has that, right? Depending on what the weightlifting coach is into, a lot of guys have to lift after the game, before the game. Everybody sort of has their own regimen, what works. But there's a, what's it called, low-minute games.

42:50Like the guys who don't play much, usually like on a day off. So say the playoff game was last night. The guys who didn't play much in the playoff game tonight, say today was off, those guys still going to come in and they're going to play. Okay. They're going to hoop. They're going to play. They're going to play a bunch of games because you've got to get that cardio in and play games or you just become out of rhythm. Man, maybe we get in some of those. It's called a little minute game. Yeah. I got involved in some of those for a little bit with the Clippers this year. Oh, really? You in the Clippers?

43:23Just for a hot second. Because I saw there was a card game. That was cards, yeah. Yeah, cards. That came out. Yeah, that was that. Yeah. But I still was there for a little while.

43:35Pat McAfee:Yeah, but I want to let you know, a lot of people on the internet say they didn't believe you. I will let you know that. They're saying, nope, I don't believe that that happened at that time. We believed it. We believed you. We believe CP3. Yeah, I should have took a video of us playing cards, shouldn't I? Yeah. Yeah, remember? 11 cards, six rounds. You've only told me a couple things about it. I'm already trying to learn. I'm trying to get out there. Yeah, yeah, of course. Listen, yeah, that's how that whole thing goes, especially if I'm trying to fly out to L.A., win the last round of oonce, and then post that.

44:07Pat McAfee:Just want to make sure that motherfucker's dead. I can't wait to do that. I can't wait to do that. I cannot wait to do that. Do you want to pick some games tonight? Certainly. Let's make sure that you can have friends all around. Cavs, Pistons, 7, NBC. Pistons favored by three and a half. What about this Cavs team makes you think that they could cover? And what about this Pistons team brief makes you think they could definitely win and cover as well? Well, Donovan Mitchell is on the court, so that's where the Cavs is always going to have a chance. Don is just a gangler, you know what I mean? And so it should be a really good matchup, especially with Don and Kay leading their teams.

44:46Pat McAfee:Okay, so we like both teams there. Lakers, Thunder. Thunder favored by 15 and a half. Connor said it earlier. This is the biggest underdog in a playoff game that LeBron James has ever been. I feel like DraftKings is potentially tempting us with the crown for the man who's had the crown for the NBA for a long time here. Chris, your thoughts on this Oklahoma City team who shows up every night the same way you said earlier? Yeah, they just one of those teams that I think J.J. said it the other day. It's one of the best teams probably ever. Just because they're not going to beat themselves. right and now the hardest team they say to beat a lot of times is a team that's gotten there and won it right they proved that they can get over the hump that they can take all the tough battles so they're not going to beat themselves but the Lakers they understand they battle tested, Bron going to go in there and try to steal one alright well good luck to everybody tonight and we appreciate the hell out of you ladies and gentlemen it's Chris Paul hey Chris Chris, hey baby Chris Jeez, we go from one legend in Chris Paul.

45:46Pat McAfee:Feels like he likes the Oklahoma City team. Oh, yeah, big time. And I'll tell you what, after watching the Knicks do what the Knicks just did a couple times, it's like 15 and a half. I know it's a lot. Yeah.

45:55Darius Butler:Yeah, but.

45:57Pat McAfee:But we've seen a couple games this season. We saw during the playoffs, we've seen a couple. But we've also seen some electrifying moments. Will LeBron James be able to cook up a few more here with Austin Reeves as Luka hasn't even done one-on-ones yet? No. right? That's what Shom said yesterday? That is what Shom said. Is he back in America? I think so. He was shooting a basketball, but not one-on-ones. Yes. Luka's back in America. I just wanted to know, man. I don't like that he has a hamstring, though, because this was the best shape that we've seen Luka ever in, right? I mean, he looked unbelievable.

46:30Pat McAfee:So the fact that he got a hamstring worries me a little bit. I don't know how quickly he'll recover, but obviously the NBA is missing Luka Doncic in the playoffs. Luka and LeBron going crazy with Austin Reeves right now against an Oklahoma City team that's trying to build a dynasty? Whenever you talk about attention and aura coming from a series, that would be it. But instead now it's how much can LeBron do at 41 against a team that might be the best of all time. Austin Reeves doesn't deserve that kind of slander, you know,

46:55Darius Butler:because they're kind of just shooing him out

46:56Pat McAfee:because this kind of was his big coming out year. And then he got injured, so he kind of disappeared. But Austin Reeves and LeBron James battling against this Oklahoma City, it has me a little bit scared because, like you said earlier, Connor, I almost want just for – because I've seen LeBron's ride. Yeah. I almost want to just ride with him in his biggest – You should. Critic from the sports book in the history of his playoff career, which, by the way, he's played more playoff games than anybody in the history. Foxy, I don't know how to feel about this one because I feel like Oklahoma City could be a little bit of a runaway.

47:27So good. Could be a little bit of a wagon. I'm taking the 15.5 points with LeBron all day. And if I'm proven wrong, then so be it.

47:34Pat McAfee:The thing is, I immediately thought to myself, might never get this opportunity to do this again with LeBron. Exactly. But if they lose by 30, it might get even worse next game. And I don't want that. I don't want that one bit. There's no way. LeBron plus 15 and a half. Yeah. Get it to me. That's not happening. I'm not confident, though. I'm not sure where the crown lies right now. Because it might be right there on SGA's head.

47:57Darius Butler:It could. It has. It is, actually. We're going to be really mad if LeBron covers and we don't take it, though. Yeah, you're right. We'll be so disappointed in ourselves. Just as mad if OKC wins by 30. Because we knew it was potentially coming. It's a tough thing. You know what else is tough? Good game to stay away from. Winning the Kentucky Derby.

48:13Pat McAfee:There's been so many legends of the past. There's been so many horses that will be remembered forever. Jockeys that are talked about. And trainers come into the spotlight week of. And you hear a lot of different names. You see a lot of different personalities. And this past weekend, for the first time ever, a female trainer, the trainer of Golden Tempo, won the most electrifying Kentucky Derby that I have ever seen. That trainer, the icon, the one that'll be stamped into history books, ladies and gentlemen, Sherry DeVoe. How we doing, Sherry? How we doing? I'm doing all right. How are you? I'm great.

48:51Pat McAfee:Thank you so much for asking. Had a birthday. Had my daughter's birthday, Cinco de Mayo. Can be nowhere near how great you have to be feeling as you et your name in history and also the horse that you obviously love and care for and trained has a massive dub in the biggest race on earth. Can you tell me about the feelings as you watch Golden Tempo fall behind and then start moving? Was this the plan all along, Sherry? And how much faith did we have? So he's a deep closer. He finds himself towards the back of the pack. I think he just likes to let all of his buddies do the heavy lifting and then he has a really nice turn of foot towards the end of the race in all of his races so he comes with a with a burst of speed um and you know so i was watching the race unfold in front of him and felt there was pace and it was up to jose to to navigate the run with golden tempo and he executed it perfectly but um as he started of making his run that's your heart gets pumping and then when he came up to renegade and they those two hooked up and we got our head in front it was just surreal okay well congratulations on all those feelings obviously that's what all the work is for so you can feel that as it's coming down the stretch and then the excitement immediately upon realizing that golden tempo has done it you said and talked about golden tempo as if it was a human golden tempo just lets all his bodies kind of do all the hard work at the beginning and then kind of catches up and does it is that kind of how you i should be viewing horses like they all do have their own individual personalities like when you're training them whenever we're coaching somebody we try to reach the person we're coaching training is similar with horses you have to like there's different ways to reach each horse and how do you figure that out with golden tempo well most definitely it is an individualized approach or the way i train anyway um each horse is going to be different just like players are going to be different and you have to taper your training to get the most out of them so you know golden tempo he's he's a relaxed horse and um that's his whole being and it's his whole demeanor around the barn um but you know he is talented and when he needs to make that run he makes it so like goalie we were in a kind of a holding pattern in our derby preps and then coming out of Louisiana and the Louisiana Derby we really keyed him in to just really try to hone in and try to tighten him up um he was kind of a little on the heavier side so we needed to really put a couple stiff works into him um and that made all the difference stiff works is like a cardio session like you would do with a player an athlete like a workout right and then how does golden tempo handle that you gotta hey it's for your own good it's for your own good How is that relationship between trainer, horse, player, coach?

51:37Pat McAfee:Because from my understanding, these horses are like mystic beings. They're very intelligent, obviously, and incredible athletes. The relationship probably matters pretty big, I would assume. Well, it does. So I'm the coach, but we also have exercise riders and Jose Breesdom once. His key work, Jose was on. So I give the plan and it's up to them to enact it. So the riders are pivotal in getting, enacting what I come up with in training. And it just worked out, you know, and the horse has to respond and come out of those works in great order. So, you know, unlike human players, they can't tell us how they're feeling if they feel knocked down from the work or if they're hurting anywhere.

52:27So we really have to hone in on those little key nuances.

52:32Pat McAfee:Yeah, I love it. And obviously those two minutes are absolutely electrifying, but obviously those aren't the only two races of the season. 23 to 1 odds, wild. Fun win for a lot of people. Go ahead, Con, man. Yeah, Sherry, when it comes to racing and not just the derby, just every race, because you've been training for so long, do you have a sense that you'll win every single race that your horse is in? Are you that confident regardless of what the odds are, or is there kind of a realistic expectation going into it? And did you feel different about Golden Tempo? Did this feel like, okay, this might be the year that we win the Kentucky Derby?

53:08Well, I do try to have realistic expectations. And after he won his first prep at the LeComps, we can see that the speed figures needed to improve and he needed to improve. So we did talk and he finished third in his subsequent Derby preps. and the conversation was let's get him to the derby and make sure he's improving so that we have him peaking on derby day so his his odds were 23 to 1 and they were rightfully so just by his past performances i was feeling super confident in in golden tempo and jose's ability to get him there but uh realistically it's a kentucky derby many go their whole life many trainers go their whole life without hitting the board in that race or being in the race and to be a one and you know I went there once and and we got it done I had you know I had confidence but I couldn't believe

54:02Pat McAfee:it actually happened okay you talked about the many trainers that never get to the Kentucky Derby obviously you've won it congratulations can't wait to see what you continue to do as a trainer how'd you get into all this we saw that in 2018 uh you started your own you kind of became a head trainer I believe you left Chad Brown and Chuck Simon. Rest in peace. I believe you were assistant trainers with them. Have you been in the horse game? Did you do like 4-H? How did you get into horse racing and training? It's kind of a funny story. My parents are involved in harness racing, and they took a sabbatical.

54:40They live up in Saratoga area, so they took a sabbatical, moved to South Florida. I was I always have had horses in my life I used to compete in rodeos I went to school for pre-med mainly because I wanted a job that I could afford horses in my life and my parents I paid for my own college and my parents unceremoniously dropped me off at college and went back to New York and changed my residency but that is what forced me to move back to New York and I went to college up there. And my mom, I needed a summer job, and she said, well, there's this job. You just walk the horses. You can be done by 10.

55:17And I was like, that's good. I can wake up early and be done. And I started as a hot walker. You know, just by happenstance of where my life led me.

55:26Pat McAfee:I love the story. I love the story. Pre-med. Yeah, going to have to become a brain surgeon if we want to afford these damn horses because of how expensive they are. Obviously, we've seen that celebrated as we look at the Kentucky Derby. Now we got Preakness coming up here and I know this is a big conversation about like does the derby winner run it or not and I'm not going to act like I'm a horse expert. Feels like it is a huge convo every time it happens. Have you made the decision or how does that, is Mr. Vinny Viola, incredible owner obviously of the Panthers and Golden Temple, how does that all come together?

55:59So we're, I just got back, it's been a whirlwind couple days and I just got back to Lexington, and he's going to go back to the track tomorrow. We'll give him a couple days just to see how he is. Golden Temple, he's going to dictate the decision, but we're also going to talk about whether we think a cutback in distance off two weeks rest is really what's best for him. So there's a lot of conversation right now. We're all just enjoying the moment, but we'll get to that. We'll start that tomorrow, and hopefully by Thursday we have a decision.

56:35Pat McAfee:Okay, so you'll do like a full horse physical, for lack of a better word, to see how Golden Tempo came out of the race, because obviously once the adrenaline and everything kind of wears off, where do we land after the celebration? If horse is able to train and stay in shape, we'll then go to Preakness. If not able to train because something lingering, we'd take rest time there to hopefully get Golden Tempo healthy so then we can race again down the road. right and he'd actually have to come out of the race with more energy because we are going to cut him back in distance um you know so there's a lot of factors that go into that and you know we we just haven't had a chance to have a informed conversation with and put everyone's input in um and then like i said golden tempo you know he could be sound but a hard race can knock him out and you know he just might need a little bit more time to get in to get back into feeling himself hey how about it you're now in the position to have to figure out whether or not we're gonna run for it you know like a lot of trainers a lot of trainers probably talk about it a lot of there's probably a lot of uh monday morning quarterbacking that happen whenever other people are making decisions and obviously the outside world that loves golden tempo especially after what we just watched at kentucky derby would love to be able to bet on this horse again we have our thoughts and now you're sitting in the barn actually to make the decision congratulations on that.

57:55Pat McAfee:Congratulations on being obviously historic, not just in the horse racing world, but in sports as a whole, and thank you so much for the time. Thank you so much, and I hope you have enjoyed your birthday celebrations. See, I was going to come down to the derby actually, but because it's the birthday, you know, it is chaos down there. It is the one right for all parties. Everybody thinks that trainers, owners, fans, Kentucky Derby just does it all right. Why is that? It's just, it's a pinnacle race. It's exciting. There's a lot of buildup. And something like the Breeders' Cup, where you have a lot of categories of racing, you have multiple shots to try to achieve a Breeders' Cup win.

58:38You have one shot at the Kentucky Derby.

58:43Darius Butler:And he did it. And he did it. And Golden Tempo. Took it. One opportunity. Don't miss your chance to blow.

58:49Pat McAfee:Golden Tempo. Set them out of here. Congrats to you. We can't wait to follow along with the rest of your horse training career. We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you so much for having me on. Good luck with that decision. Yeah. It would be nice to be able to bet on Golden Tempo. I just learned about this horse. Ladies and gentlemen, Cherie DeVaux. Yay, Cherie. Tough decision. Yeah, I mean, going to need to see that triple crown run at least to go for it. It's been a long time. And we're going to need to see Golden Tempo's odds. She's got to make a lot of tough decisions. Shorter distance, though.

59:19Who's going to play her in a movie?

59:21Pat McAfee:Oh, definitely. Because this is the pinnacle for her to win that race, make that history. How about her saying there's a lot of trainers that will never win the Kentucky. That was her as a trainer saying, hey, a lot of trainers never win. Can't believe it. And then now she's, hey, how many of these? once you taste the confetti. You know, it's almost like... I mean, Rapoli, not a trainer, but think about him. 0 for 9. Yeah, and you're going into it this year like, hey, we're the favorite now. This is the time.

59:48Darius Butler:Just the pole position got him.

59:50Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, I don't pull down in there, which, hey, I'd rather have it, he said.

59:54Darius Butler:Yeah.

59:54Pat McAfee:Hey, family, we won. Okay? You listening to me, boy? Kiss me. That was the most Italian conversation of all time. Amazing. A lot of people were saying there was some cooking going on in the NHL last night. Connor was all worked up. Really? Yeah, there was icing, no icing, led to a go-ahead goal, led to a coach losing his mind and having Connor tweet out in the morning saying, how in the world of hockey is that not an icing? The guy's behind the red line, which is the halfway point, clearly, dumps it in, nobody touches it, goes all the way, how is that not icing? Yeah, that's a good question. I personally, from the back view, now this particular view shows a different story, obviously, with the race.

1:00:33Pat McAfee:It looked like Jackie Aces was kind of in there maybe a little bit and could get on there. And from my non-hockey playing but just hockey viewing world, I believe it's a race from the puck drop circle there, I believe is considered to the dot. Okay, perfect. Felt like he was kind of in it, you know, and then he wasn't. But, boy, people are saying, really interesting how this all worked out. And Vegas Golden Knights go ahead and knock in the go-ahead goal with less than five left in the third period. interesting corruption con man is what people were saying yeah pretty ridiculous uh but it is tough it's one of those things especially on the icing where hey how many times is the guy actually you know over the line now that one was egregiously behind the line but the race to the puck as well like even just re-watching it now and quenvo is flipping hey yes man not having it whatsoever even more re-watching that replay though how's the ref on the right side calling no ice when the The ref on the left is right there.

1:01:31I would rather to see that guy maybe make a call. I did see someone say, hey, it's a race to the hash marks, and you can kind of see Jackie Ace's left skate ahead at the hash mark. The one on the left is a linesman. The one on the right is a referee. So it is the linesman's call. So what's he doing way down there?

1:01:50Pat McAfee:Whatever the case, hockey's delivering every night, as is the NBA. P.K. Subban will join us on the other side. Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life. We'll see you in about three. Three.

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1:03:19Pat McAfee:Sports! Are the greatest. We're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them. Happy Cinco tomorrow. We hope you enjoy the hell out of it. Obviously, this celebrates the Battle of Puebla in 1862, where the Mexican forces who were outmanned, outgunned, outequipped, found a way to beat the French and celebrate the hell out of life, and that is what we will certainly do today. Congrats on the big win. That's kind of huge. Feels like reading up on it, and obviously Cinco de Mayo has been utilized as Americans for a long time to get absolutely hammered drunk off of margaritas and tequila and things like that.

1:04:00Pat McAfee:And celebrate and salute, obviously, our neighbors to the south of the United States of America. Once you start diving in, it's kind of a 300 story.

1:04:08Darius Butler:Oh, yeah.

1:04:08Pat McAfee:What was the spread? What was the line? It was huge. The French were minus 10 ,000, I think. From my understanding, just the way I was reading it, the French were minus 10 ,000. The Mexicans did not have a lot of people. Or shit.

1:04:24Darius Butler:Yeah. I guess they had the people and the shit. And then on Cinco de Mayo, 1862, finally. Kind of started a tough run for the French, actually. Well, and then they made that terrible deal for Louisiana. I mean, what a great buy by us. I mean, we worked them pretty good. Now, I will say French fries are delightful. French toast, phenomenal. Croissants. Croissants are so good. They got little hot dogs they put in their baguettes. So good. A little ketchup in the hole. Oh, really? Then you go ahead and lob that thing down in the baguette, and then you kind of toss it around like it's a set it and forget it thing.

1:05:02And then it kind of molds its way through there. French got that. Wemby? Sir? Wemby? Thank you. Very French. Thank you for that. Wemby, yes. He's very French. Oui, oui. We spoke French. I thought you said Plan B. I was like, oh, that's a French thing? Well, I think they would call it actually Bay.

1:05:23Pat McAfee:Because I think it's A-B-C-D-U-F-J. Bingo. If I had to guess. Toxic Tables here at Boston Corner at Tone Diggs. Don't want to have to do this history for Mexico and France, but just kind of the reason for Cinco de Mayo. I thought for sure that some people, not me, I would never think this. People I know, though, were like, Mexican Independence Day, Cinco de Mayo. Idiots. I'm like, you stupid idiots.

1:05:47Darius Butler:We're here to educate. It's the Battle of Puebla. Yesterday we celebrated May the 4th. even a lot of us don't watch those movies at all. But all of us.

1:05:56Pat McAfee:We had a lightsaber in here. That's what I mean.

1:05:59Darius Butler:We did the father thing. That's what this program does. We educate and we inform people on what day it is.

1:06:02Pat McAfee:And we explain reasons to celebrate. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here. A lot of reasons to celebrate if you're a OKC fan. A lot of reasons to celebrate if you're a Carolina Hurricanes fan. Have you seen what they've been doing? Six straight. Yeah. These dudes haven't lost. Have they trilled yet? Yes, last night, first time. Flyers had a 2-1 lead for a large portion, actually, of this game. But instead it goes to overtime. And the Caniacs at home get another six straight playoff win. The boys have not lost. This is obviously best of seven series. They win the first four. They sweep. And then now they're starting to do the same here for the Philadelphia Flyers.

1:06:43Pat McAfee:This is a great team, these Caniacs. And I'll tell you what, they're ready for it up there. Their fans have been fantastic and spectacular from Jump Street down there. I love a good team, a hot team, and especially with a great fan base behind them. That's my favorite part about kind of still learning about hockey is watching these different barns, these different environments, these different buildings, and Carolina has one of the best ones. Certainly, and they got good traditions. They have a siren at the beginning. What was old buddy's name? What was his name? Seth what?

1:07:13Darius Butler:Seth Jarvis.

1:07:14Pat McAfee:Seth Jarvy, okay, is what they call him. Jarvis's boys from Manitoba? Is that where these lads are from? Oh, yeah. The lads have become a traveling circus, which everybody absolutely loves. They're like, hey, the boys are actually coming to town. They let them do the sire. They actually let the sire. Just his boys? Yeah, his boys. Jarvis's boys are in there. They did do justice? He scored. They won. And they gave this pre-siren crank interview. Yes, Ron, we are moments away from sounding the siren. and you know these guys, familiar faces from north of the border, the traveling crew of Seth Chervis' childhood buddies.

1:07:51So, guys, I have to ask, you're all here, and there's a lot of you, but there's only one siren. So how did you decide who gets to crank this thing up?

1:07:59Pat McAfee:You know, we went out for dinner last night. We asked, Jarvie, who would you least want to sound the siren? We ended up with this guy right here. It's because he's using PEDs. Is that true? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So they would go on to crank the siren. Jarvie's boys would do that. Jarvie would score in the game, and then they would win. That could completely backfire on all parties. Oh, yeah. Carolina Hurricanes, who's hitting your siren, you know, before massive playoff game? Oh, Jarvie's boys from Manitoba. They've been kind of traveling around raising a lot of hell. Those boys are going to wail on the siren.

1:08:34Obviously, in the arena, have to have the support of the arena to be able to do this. It's Jarvie's boys from Manitoba. Imagine Jarvie has the worst game he's ever had. Imagine they lose to the Flyers. That could have all won the completely wrong direction. But instead, classic Jarvie fashion. Jarvie puts one home, and the Canes continue to win in the playoffs. And now Jarvie's boys potentially cranking sirens all damn year. And I'm pretty pumped up about that.

1:09:01Darius Butler:It reminded me of the Roller Boys in Buffalo. They got to do their drum thing up there, which got the crowd hyped. And then Jarvie's boys doing the siren. The pregame intermission stuff for the NHL has become one of the things to watch that you have to do now for the NHL playoffs, besides what's being done on the ice.

1:09:19Pat McAfee:Nothing will ever be able to top Ty Schmidt potentially decapitating somebody with a real sword.

1:09:24Darius Butler:Sure. As he was 45 drinks deep, I think. I don't know. I don't know. That guy crushed it last night, too, by the way. Oh, the Golden Knight? Yeah, the Golden Knight getting the crowd going with the sword and the shield. It was fantastic. It's worn down now, by the way. Is it Doll Blade? I saw that. Been doing it so much that the shield, no, not the blade. The shield is worn down. The Vegas Golden Knights logo, half of it, yeah, half of it is missing because it's just gone through the gold paint, and it's just becoming a silver shield.

1:09:52Pat McAfee:It's a real sword out there that the Golden Knights have.

1:09:54Darius Butler:Yeah, uses a whetstone to sharpen it every night.

1:09:56Pat McAfee:Yeah, and Ty Schmidt was hammer drunk having his own little make-a-wish night for the Las Vegas Golden Knights. Yeah, there it is. Where he was able to crank the siren. He rode the Zamboni. He got a chance to go in the change room afterwards, and the Golden Knight wanted to add into his great spectacular evening. And they gave him this sword and that real shield. And he said, all right, Jumbotron's coming to you. You just need to hit this thing. Bang, bang, bang. And Ty almost hit the suite right next to us with an actual sword. And then he yelled at the Knight for being rude to him. And then the Knight took the sword, did the thing.

1:10:28Place went crazy.

1:10:29Pat McAfee:Golden Knights win. It was considered a celebration. Could have went the wrong way, just like the Canes did. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man whose family is Stanley Cup champion. I guess you could say that hockey's in his blood. A college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, is that Jack Johnson's brother-in-law? A.J. Hawk. A.J. Hawk. What's up, Hawk? Yeah, it's in my blood, I guess, through marriage. But getting back quickly, you mentioned pigs in a blanket, and you said the French are responsible for that. I don't believe they are.

1:11:01Pat McAfee:No, pigs in a blanket a little bit different, you know. I think that is – I don't know how different it might be. It sounded pretty spot on. No, isn't pigs in a blanket with a pancake or no?

1:11:09Darius Butler:No, no. Pigs in a blanket is with the Pillsbury Doughboy crescent rolls over the hot dog, if you will.

1:11:16Pat McAfee:Crescent rolls. Sounds like it's pretty French as well, but I don't want to just automatically say it's there.

1:11:22Darius Butler:Pigs in a blanket are unbelievable. The way I took it exactly how AJ took it, you were kind of describing a pigs in a blanket, but you said the hot dog was in the crescent? In the baguette. In a baguette. More of a hog in a sleeping bag. Is it sticking out at all? A ketchup already in there? What's that? Is it sticking out? Is the hot dog sticking out at all? It's not a bag at corn dog. Yeah. Okay, so that's - They took the bread out, and it slides in. It's stuck in there like this. Copyright. Are you unfamiliar with Pigs in a Blanket? I think I've had Pigs in a Blanket. It sounds like I've definitely had.

1:11:52It doesn't sound like it. Pancake wrapped around sausage? No. Not a pancake. I mean, no. That might be a breakfast thing. I don't - Yeah, that's a breakfast-like thing. It's a banger. Okay. So you guys are putting a French? Can we pull up Pigs in a Blanket for this guy? I'm going to say, stop giving the French credit for that. You can't give them credit for it. You said it's in a crescent roll? Yeah. Hilsbury is American. Hello. Yes.

1:12:15Darius Butler:We know for sure. You've seen them many, many times. Okay. I'm pulled. I'll say it.

1:12:22Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. No. So there would be a bottom to that, and it would be much different. A baguette's like big. This thing's like a football. So the French fucked it up again. No. I don't think so.

1:12:33Darius Butler:Yes, bigs of our vastly superior foods.

1:12:37Pat McAfee:Let's get away from this, ladies and gentlemen. Joining us now is a man who probably speaks French, probably has some thoughts on this. It is incredible to have him back on the program. 13 years he spent in the NHL. Now he is wearing a different outfit every night on ESPN that makes you go, holy hell, what will he do next? Ladies and gentlemen, P.K. Subban. Yay, P.K.! Great to have you. What's up, boys? We had to wait until the cell. We had to wait until the Celtics were eliminated to have you on because we didn't want your Tatum shit coming back. You didn't want the J.K. Yeah, we didn't want it.

1:13:09So it's great to have you back.

1:13:11Pat McAfee:We understand that there's maybe some stuff going on with your house as well, so we appreciate you making time. Happy NHL playoffs, PK. Happy NHL playoffs. Feels like numbers up and to the right. Let's immediately talk about your outfits. Okay, so Don Cherry, hockey night in Canada, right? Is that what it's called, the show? Yes, yes. always known for these very loud suits, like very loud. Like that was kind of a thing. Do you feel like that is becoming your thing? And how do you top yourself every single night? Because I think last night you had, what's going on, PK? This was my favorite meme.

1:13:48Like what the fans did with this picture, I loved them all. The pants up to the back of my head was unbelievable. I had me on the floor. Well, the box pants that came and then the huge sweatshirt that came and then there was the onesie, the green onesie.

1:14:04Pat McAfee:It's like, how do you top yourself? It is a feat, I think, now with where you're headed with this entire thing. Yeah, you know what? I don't think there's ever going to be another Don Cherry, but I love Don Cherry. I grew up watching him. I still love him. I miss him so much, especially in Canada. uh he's probably between him and bob cole uh they're probably the two reasons of why i love the game so much outside of just playing it i just wanted to listen to those guys so but don suits like okay we got to dive into that don's suits were like pouch material that he used to cut like his suits his jacket would go all the way down to his ankles everybody thinks it was it was cut off until i met don cherry at like 10 years old i think the first time i may have met him when I was a little bit younger.

1:14:53But when I remember, like 10 years old, I remember meeting him and I could not believe it. It went down all the way down to his ankles. And I was like, dude, what's this made out of? It was a couch material. So I don't know if I can ever replicate what Don did. His suits were above and beyond. But like what I, like, look at that. Like you can't, you're not getting a suit like that anywhere. That's what makes Don, Don. It's crazy. So, but to be honest with you, Pat, I've always been a fashion guy. I love fashion, but it's always been kind of towards me. I've never really gone to a fashion show or, you know, went to Milan, any of these, you know, big fashion events.

1:15:29I wasn't really into that, to be honest. I just like to wear what I like to wear. And the NHL allowed me to kind of open it up with the suits a little bit. Now they don't have the dress code. I would have loved that when I was playing. But now it's like on ESPN, I feel like you just got to be yourself. Like, Mess and Leaves, they're their own people. I'm my own guy. They gave me the green light to say, hey, dude, you can dress the way that you like as long as you feel good. And that's what it is. So I bring the heat every night. I love it.

1:15:57Pat McAfee:You do bring the heat. I do love that. You guys are a great team in ratings up and to the right. So congratulations to all parties over there at ESPN NHL. Let's talk about this Canes team that we were just chatting about as the Jarvy boys who've been traveling around from Manitoba, got pretty boozed up and cranked the siren a little bit. And then Jarvie scores and they continue this win streak that they have in the playoffs as being just absolutely dominant. Can you tell me about the Canes a little bit more from a hockey perspective on why they are what they are right now? And are they legit? Are the Canes going to win Lordo out here?

1:16:30I'm so happy you're asking me about the Canes because Canes fans absolutely can't stand me. I've never picked the Canes to win a series, I think, in the past four or five years. they like I can't even step into Raleigh right now I don't think but I will say this you know they've always been a competitive team they've always been in the mix the reason why I haven't picked them is because you got to show me and they are showing me right now you know the acquisition of Taylor Hall and some of the other veterans on that team you know you think of Stan Colvin and how hot he's been Ehlers coming over they retooled the defense picking up K-Andre Miller who just eats like he's playing the best hockey I've seen him play since probably his first year with the Rangers, right?

1:17:13The way he's skating. So I got to give Rod Brindamore credit, but he gets a lot of credit as he should, because he's been a phenomenal coach. He's been a top coach in the league. So he's squeezing the juice out of these guys, but I have to give Carolina credit. Uh, they have been dominant since the start of the playoffs. Now the competition is going to get tougher, you know, Philly right now, they got to get tippet back in the lineup. Uh, I think that's going to change the series a little bit. I feel like if he was in for game two, I think that would have changed it, but I'm not taking anything away from Carolina.

1:17:45They've been unbelievable. Their execution, I had question marks about their special teams and power play, Pat. They've executed on the power play. I've had question marks about them scoring timely goals. They've scored timely goals. Guys stepping up and being accountable. They have it all going on, so they have to sustain it. Their goaltending's got to hold up. Freddie's got to hold up, but if their goaltending holds up they could easily be in the finals right um you know i got montreal getting to the finals you know i did not plan on the teams this being the look going into it i didn't think edmonton would be out this soon i'm not surprised by it but carolina's got a real shot to make it to the finals like that's as legitimate this is this is as legitimate of a year for them to contend as i've seen since i've retired so a hundred percent they're they're in the mix good for the

1:18:34Pat McAfee:Caniacs down there, they've been obviously supporting for a long time. And Jarvie's boys, certainly. Jarvie was great, too. By the way, sorry, I didn't even say Jarvie. I had the pregame interview. He's my favorite player on the Canes. He just shows up to play. Unbelievable guy. Great guy. You know he's a great teammate. But he works his bag off every game. And he'll block shots. He scores big goals. But I just love the way he's played in this playoffs. Because as a guy that's relied on to score big goals, Pat, you can't forget the intangibles of what playoff hockey is and set jarvis hasn't forgotten that at all he set the tone for carolina the block shots in round one against ottawa big blocks big defensive plays saying all the right things and staying composed and then when he gets his opportunity scores a big goal you know so he's doing everything right but rod brindamore's got these guys going in the right direction for sure yeah and the manitoba boys are certainly showing up for jarvie as well which we appreciate.

1:19:30Pat McAfee:Let's go, boys. Yeah, let's go, lads. I'm from Manitoba traveling around, having a couple of tall boys. A little bit of a runaway as Jarvis Nets won there for us. The Canes obviously win in overtime. That's huge. Last night also in the West had a big game. Go ahead, Tone.

1:19:43Darius Butler:Yeah, PK, a bit of controversy in the Aces and – or sorry, Knights and Ducks. Aces. I had Jackie Aces on. Hey. WNBA. This weekend, Tony. Kicking off. We can't go. We can't go. Here we go. Angels in Atlanta now. Asia's over there. Angels super backs. Hey, Van Lith no longer in Chicago. Sure, sure, sure. I had Jackie Aces on my mind because he was going down on the puck in the corner on this controversial no-icing call. What was your take on this, PK, last night? Because obviously Joe Quinville was not very happy about it. The Ducks were not happy about it. What was your thoughts on the no-icing call that led to the deciding goal?

1:20:28initially everybody in studio was like that's insane uh Q's going nuts on the bench and I loved it I was telling I was I want to see Vegas win this series so I was saying toss him toss him toss him out of the game he's right so guys didn't like that in studio but I knew right away I saw it and if you see that replay Jack Eichel gets a step on on on Lacombe and I feel feel for Lacombe because this is a top defenseman a young defenseman in the league that's learning as he goes This kid's going to be a stud. He didn't have his best game last night, but this was a moment that he's going to have to learn.

1:21:01You got to play right to the whistle. And it's not just him. We saw it in the Montreal series, actually, with Kirby Dock, when J.J. Moser scored that overtime goal. If you watch, Kirby Dock puts his hand up because I think the puck either went out of play or he thought it should have been called. That extra second might have been the reason why he couldn't get to J.J. Moser, who circled the top and then ended up going and scored. So we've seen it. And it's funny. I was talking to Spencer Carberry about it last night in studio that he asked us. He's like, hey, I notice a lot of guys whenever the puck goes up now, they're always putting their hands up.

1:21:36And is that just a reaction thing? And it is a reaction. This is a reaction play. Jackson LaCombe's gone back for this puck a million times over this season. He thinks it's going to be icing, but it wasn't icing because when he gets to that dot, if you watch, Jack Eichel is a half a step in front of him. Watch this. He gets ahead of him here. Right now, he's ahead of him. He's ahead of him right now. So that's why the linesman goes like this. And then Jack, because he's a dog, slides in behind. They get the turnover. Bucks in the back of the net. So Jack Eichel has been all world for Vegas in this playoffs.

1:22:10I don't need to ask John Tortorello about how he thinks he's playing. They changed up the lines. They separated him and Mitch Marner to balance out the offense. And Jack Eichel's just taking this team on his back. He's pulled barbershop. Brett Howden had to pick up his game. He's scoring big goals now. Vegas is hot right now. You've got to be very, very careful of this team. They're very capable. Mitch, look at his past. Like, what is that? Like, everybody's talking about Mitch Marner in round one. Where is he? Well, no, he knows when to make the plays at the right moment. This is a series I think Mitch is going to break out in as well.

1:22:43Pat McAfee:We love the Vegas Golden Knights team. And obviously, Jackie Ace is American hero, Olympic gold medalist. So good luck to everybody in Vegas. Torts going over there setting a whole new tone. And I like the fact that you're like, that ain't icing because it was really loud. It was really loud on the internet, PK, as you know. I know. Yeah, really loud. I thought I knew. Yeah. And Pat, Pat, I'll tell you. Initially, I understand everybody's frustration, but it's those details. And like in hockey, you've got to play to the whistle. You know, it's like a cliche thing, but like you have to play to the whistle because the margin for error now in the National Hockey League on a nightly basis is so minute.

1:23:25It's insane. Like, honestly, I, you know, playing in this league for 13 years, I can tell you, Pat, there were some times when I played, we could circle games on the schedule where we knew we were, it was point night. That doesn't exist anymore, right? And in the playoffs, you're not getting free shifts. You know, you could think that you look at most teams, their third and fourth line, some of the guys couldn't skate, they didn't have skill. Now everybody can play. So as a defenseman, you have to play to the whistle, and that's a learning moment for Jackson Lacombe for sure.

1:23:54Pat McAfee:No more ass hockey players anywhere around the NHL. Everybody's skilled nowadays. They got rid of the goons. They developed the skill, and the game is beautiful. And they're saying there's a team that might be the best of all time I'm in the West. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah, PK, obviously Colorado's up 1-0. They travel to Minnesota to play tonight, game two. I guess, do you have any questions about this Colorado team? They seem to be rolling and they haven't really slipped up yet, but I guess what kind of things are you looking for? Well, if I'm Minnesota, apply major pressure. To me, Minnesota proved that they can score goals against this team.

1:24:29That's all you need to know because defending is what I think Minnesota is built to do. You look at their third and fourth line, they got guys that can get the puck in and keep it in the offensive zone. You know, like I look at that Montreal series for a quick second. Where they struggled was to sustain offensive zone pressure. They were able to come out of that series. But I feel if that series won another game or two games, you know, Tampa would end up coming out on top. They did. Montreal figured it out. But I look at the same thing for Minnesota. They have to make Colorado play defense. You know, you want to talk about their weakness.

1:25:06Great players and offensive and skilled players do not want to play defense. So you have to force Kale McCarr and these guys to play 200 feet from your net. In order to do that, their third and fourth line got to go to work. They have to get pucks in deep. They got to cycle. They got to bring that offensive pressure. They got to put that offensive heat on Colorado. If you don't, they will pick you apart. This series will be over very, very quickly. So for me, the luxury of playing against Dallas, Dallas had a great power play. And I think Minnesota learned how to deal with an offensive team that was clicking at that rate.

1:25:40So Colorado scoring goals isn't going to shake Minnesota. I think we saw that when they went down 3-0 and came back. So what's my message to Minnesota? Apply more pressure. You need to tilt that ice. They got to be skating. They got to be involved. Minnesota can't sit back. And that's the whole message of this playoffs. players are too skilled and too talented for a team to say that we're going to sit back and rely on our goaltending and our defensive structure. You have to push the envelope at some point in time. And when you open the game up, that's when the NHL is the most exciting because guys are going to make mistakes.

1:26:16There's going to be bounces. So this series, I don't expect this game tonight to be another high scoring game. It could be, but I think these guys tighten it up. And if I'm Minnesota, they're going to have to tighten it up, but their breakouts and coming through the neutral zone has got to be clean because if they're not clean, Dale McCarr and company will pick them apart. This is an experienced team, championship pedigree. They know how to win, and they showed that in game one. So for Minnesota, I think there's a lot of positives to take from that game, even though they gave up, what was it, eight goals, nine goals.

1:26:48There's a lot of positives in that game. I saw things that Minnesota was able to do against Colorado that teams aren't going to be able to do. So they're going to have to play to those strengths, and that's just being on their toes, Pat.

1:26:59Pat McAfee:14 different goal scorers in that game. 15 goals in total. Kale scores two. Everybody else has one. Quinn Hughes, you talk about defensemen having to be active. Feels like he's all over the place. I love watching him play. His angles are filthy. He's an undersized defenseman. Isn't he kind of, is he the smallest of all time? Maybe while still being just so effective? Well, when you consider that right now, he could be the front runner for Conn Smythe and in the MVP conversation, it puts everything in perspective. When you look at his size and the fact that he's not the biggest guy, this guy controls the whole game out on the ice.

1:27:33And I'm not saying that because I played with his brother Jack and I know their family and I love them. It's that simple. This guy's dominant. When he's on the ice, he changes the game. He actually controls the whole game. And offensively, defensively, through the neutral zone, he can pick up the pace, he can slow it down. I don't know a player that we've seen, a defenseman in the league that comes in that plays like Quinn Hughes in a very, very long time. You know, Kale McCarr, probably universally known as the best defenseman right now because of his resume and what he brings. And he showed it again in game one.

1:28:08Watching these two go back and forth. I know they're never going to talk about each other, but watching these two go back and forth is going to be a sight to see. Like the Stanley Cup final is going to be great. For me personally, I want to see these two go back and forth at it all night long. Oh, yeah.

1:28:26Pat McAfee:All night long. And when you watch Quinn Hughes, you think about the top-tier talent in the NHL. It's like only a couple people have the dangles and the speed to be able to do some stuff. We saw it in the Olympics. It was like, hey, it feels like we only got a couple of people that can do what McDavid is able to do. On that note, Conman has the last question for you here, PK. Yeah, PK, you kind of mentioned you didn't think the Oilers would get booted, but they did. And now the whole question. Again. Again, they fall short. And now the question kind of is like, Hey, is McDavid done in Edmonton?

1:28:56Do you have that sense? And does this feel like a big off season? Because allegedly the Maple Leafs just basically hired a fantasy football manager as their GM. Great press conference. Now maybe Austin Matthews is going to be on the move this off season. What's kind of your read on some of these big names, especially those two McDavid and Matthews going somewhere else possibly? it well you know listen pat for the sake of your show and out of respect i'm not going to dive into the management decisions because we would take all day on that especially when it comes to the leaps in edmonton i gotta be honest i got a lot to say on both teams okay but when it comes to when it comes to mcdavid specifically the reason why i picked edmonton is that i can't bet a gates connor and leon until they lose like those guys have found ways to pull their team out of series moving on series to series when I couldn't tell you how they get it done.

1:29:51Edmonton has had a slight defense for years. Edmonton has been suspect in the net for years. They haven't addressed those issues. I don't understand, and I'm going to go back to it again. How do you let Broberg and Holloway walk? I don't know what the reason was for it. I'm going to go back to it. No one wants to talk about it now, but I don't know how you let a 30 goal score and a top four defenseman walk from your team. Like I don't get it. So in Edmonton, I got to look at where they're spending all the money. They signed Wallman. They got 20 million or 30 million between three defensemen on their team that, you know, Bouchard's an offensive defenseman, but these guys are underperforming.

1:30:33Like we got to talk about it. It's not good enough. So in Edmonton, we can look at the players. We can point the finger. We can look at Connor, but who put this team together? Like, how are you building this team to get them to the final? Edmonton, you got the best player in the world and the second best player in the world. It's not good enough. In Toronto, they got a whole lot of work to do there in retooling. I'm just happy to see that they're bringing Matt Sundin in. I love Matt Sundin. I grew up in Toronto, watching him on TV, practicing on the backyard rink and listening to Bo talk about Matt scoring an overtime winning bowl on the radio all that stuff the glory days so it's about time they bring him back in and i'm just happy to know that he's going to be overseeing things or be a part of it because i mean you're talking about the greatest toronto maple leaf of all time that's a positive thing when you get a guy like that that wants to come in and help okay so you know that's my take

1:31:28Pat McAfee:good luck to toronto it seems like they're never going to get it done and then edmonton it's insane because McDavid is just must watch. You know, he is so good for hockey. And the only time a lot of people get to see him is in the playoffs. And whenever their playoff run gets cut short, and then he comes out and says, we're an average team all year. We're an average team in the series. It's like, is there a little bit of a thought for McDavid that maybe for the good of hockey, we go to another barn? Nobody in Edmonton wants to hear that. Obviously, the Oilers fans, some of the best barn and best atmosphere in all of hockey, which leads to D-Buds question.

1:32:00Speaking of the barns, in your opinion, PK, Jay, obviously as a player in the analyst, you've been in a lot of these buildings, probably all of them. What's the best, biggest, I'd say, home ice advantage right now left in the playoffs? You know, I don't think there's any advantage to home ice right now, unless you're considering in the finals. Like Colorado's got it. You know, maybe it matters to them because they're comfortable playing at home and they've won championships before. But the story of the whole playoffs is that like home ice, I don't think it really matters to a lot of these young guys because we have a lot of young players that are in the playoffs right now driving things for their team.

1:32:38And these guys haven't had a lick of the playoffs. If they have, they've had a little taste of it. And they don't seem to be caring on whether they're playing at home or on the road. These guys are just going out and playing. So I think sometimes we get too caught up into the home ice. And as a player, I always love to start every series on the road. like I wanted to be on the road I didn't want to be at home I wanted to come into your barn and punch you right in the mouth and steal all the energy come in and you know like there's a bunch of other things that I want to talk about doing but we want to come in and set the tone in your barn you know what I mean hey hey whatever it takes you know like it is what it is this is playoff hockey so you want to come in and establish that I think starting on the road would be my preference, to be honest with you.

1:33:23Pat McAfee:Okay, Montreal people are going to say, what the hell? I think that is going to be something that is told to you. The Buffalo people have been going absolutely hum, obviously. The Caniacs from the beginning of the siren all the way through going absolutely crazy. Philadelphia people going, PK, you don't think a bunch of Johns saying despicable things to people on the ice? Minnesota, the state of hockey. Oh, my. And then the Ducks, the coach almost fought a ref last year. Yeah. Jeez. Hey, if you win a cup, if you win a cup, you don't care where they got the win. Listen, Montreal starts their series on the road.

1:33:57They get a big road win. It sets the tone. So to me, you got to win a game on the road, right? Like if you have home ice, you're thinking about it. Okay, we don't have to win a game on the road. But I always think going into a series, we're going to have to win one on the road. So let's start this. If we're starting on the road, what a great opportunity to come in and set the tone with this team. And that's the other flip side of it. So I think you can look at it any way you want. If you're a champion, you're going to spin it in your favor and go out and execute.

1:34:26Pat McAfee:You are a champion. We appreciate the hell out of you. Great seeing you. Congrats on another incredible season. Can't wait to talk to you again soon. Thanks, Pat. Thanks, AJ. Thanks, boys. Love you guys. Thank you, PK. Thank you, PK. I believe something broke at his house last night, late last night.

1:34:43Darius Butler:Yeah, he looked at it when you mentioned it.

1:34:44Pat McAfee:Yeah, I guess there was something that took place where life had to happen real quick for a person who does television. You know, that's always an interesting dynamic. Hey, you need to do this. It's like, I don't think so. I got like an actual thing happening. Nope, you don't actually. It's like, well, what about like life stuff happening here? Who cares? It's a fucking playoff.

1:35:01Darius Butler:It happens. It's a playoff, buddy. That's what happens whenever you're a worker. But on that note, the playoffs have been delivering for us, AJ. Playoffs have been delivering. Overtime last night, beautiful. Almost every night. Yeah, legit. There's free hockey happening seemingly every night. NBA's been cooking for us. MLB, I hear we got a good MLB season. Judgey, I think, is leading everybody in home runs after a cold start. I think Shohei's going crazy out there. Judgey and Murakami are their co-leads. He's got power. Monataka Murakami? They both have 14. They both hit one yesterday. To the bushes.

1:35:36Darius Butler:Murakami hit one off of Soriano, who's been unbelievable. And then Judgy hit one as well, just a bomb, a two-run shot in the bottom of the first. So they are leading in the home runs with 14. Only three AL teams are above 500, Pat.

1:35:51Pat McAfee:Well, because they're ass league. That's what I heard. AL in the A stands for ass. It is an ass league.

1:35:59Darius Butler:It stands for aggression because everything's so close. And the NL Central has every single team above 500. Maybe the NL best is what they're going to call the NL Central. And that's where the Buccos are at. But it's been a great season so far.

1:36:09Pat McAfee:Who did the Pirates just have a series with?

1:36:11Darius Butler:They just had the series. Was it the Reds? Yeah.

1:36:14Pat McAfee:How'd that end up, AJ? Did you pay attention to that series? No, I didn't pay attention to what happened. You tell me. Oh, sweep. Pittsburgh Pirates. Really? It's good that we gave them one early. We like to let them feel good to keep the division going strong, you know, until it really matters. I would also like to shout out the Kansas City Royals team. I guess there was some profanity maybe on a broadcast, and they had to obviously address it. We're aware of the use of colorful language at the end of last night's broadcast. We want to take this opportunity to assure fans, kind of said it best, no notes.

1:36:46Pat McAfee:You thought he was going to apologize? You thought the Can't Say Rose was going to say sorry, kids?

1:36:49Darius Butler:I did.

1:36:50Pat McAfee:You didn't take time to read that?

1:36:51Darius Butler:No, I did not.

1:36:52Pat McAfee:Okay. Good for them.

1:36:53Darius Butler:Yes, absolutely. We like that. I just assumed a press release that they were just going to, you know, cower and do what most organizations do. And there's a drive to left field. Yeah. Well, a little different there. A little legendary call there. A little bit different there. No, I did not see the end of that.

1:37:11Pat McAfee:Yeah, they said, yeah, right. That was the only way to describe what had happened there. Speaking of describing things that were happening in baseball, last night I think big night for the Yankees, right, as you guys paid tribute to absolutely icon on the microphone, Bruce? Yeah, it was really cool. Unfortunately, John Sterling, the longtime radio voice of the New York Yankees, passed away. It was announced yesterday morning. And, yeah, they did a sweet tribute pregame with Michael Kay, the TV voice and Susan Waldman who does the color commentary. And then after the game, something that I'm hoping they continue to do forever, they added John Sterling's the Yankees win right before they played the Frank Sinatra New York, New York.

1:37:52So hopefully after every win at home going forward, we continue to do that to honor John Sterling. But it was awesome. And Michael K. did a John Sterling call for judges home run, which was sweet too.

1:38:03Pat McAfee:Yeah, it was nice to hear that. It was also nice to learn about the amount of respect and appreciation every Yankees fan had for him as he passed away. Anytime anybody contributes to sport in a fashion in which an entire fan base loves you, I think you've done good. And that would be dope. They had a little remix to that song. I mean, that's a perfect way to kind of send it off, it feels like. Yeah, we need it every time the Yankees win. Start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. AJ, let me hear it. I want to be a part of it. That's the NFL draft. That's what I want to be a part of.

1:38:46Darius Butler:Every year.

1:38:47Pat McAfee:There's a man that's been a part of it because he's the general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He is a Super Bowl champion. And when I read a couple of these quotes coming out of his mouth post-draft, I think we're all going to see quite a resemblance of what's cooking down there in South Florida with maybe the Miami Hurricanes, which certainly makes sense with how the draft went for this man. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champ Jason Light. Yeah, Jason! How you doing, boss? What's going on, fellas? I can't see you here. Oh, you can't see us? What the hell happened? We can see you. You look fantastic.

1:39:17Pat McAfee:Could you hear us singing? I don't know. Could you hear us singing in there? I did. It was awesome. It was awesome. Okay, can you see us now? Can you still not see anything? Man, he's gone. We can't see you right now. Can't hear him either. We just took you off the screen, Jason. Why'd you be your cameraman? Jason, I want to let you know that you looked fantastic, though. You look absolutely fantastic. The lighting was great. The hair perfectly kind of pieced together. Beautiful office. AJ, I'm going to read one of his quotes here from post-draft. We wanted to add more players that love the game, who are extremely passionate about the game, addicted to the game, and who bring energy every day in practice with the way they carry themselves.

1:39:53Pat McAfee:We always say that the first pick that we have in the draft sometimes sets the tone for the rest of the picks that follow, and they sort of evolve in the same type of mindset. I can't think of a better person to be the leader of that draft class than Ruben Bain. Just with everything that he is about in terms of his overall makeup and passion for the game, we try to get more players like him, and he's definitely going to be a great leader in that regard. And obviously, when you look at also Keontae Scott out of Miami, Ruben Bain out of Miami, and you listen to his quote, it's like, this guy and Mario Cristobal seemingly have a lot in common whenever you talk about who you're looking for.

1:40:27Pat McAfee:I love that this is a main trait that they're trying to find in Tampa Bay. AJ. Yeah, it is. And I think a lot of teams will tell you that's what they want. They'll tell you like, yeah, we want you to love ball. We want you to make sure you're addicted to it. All of that. Of course, you want your star players. You want everyone in your roster to be that way. But it's another thing to actually go out there and do it and really do all the work that it takes to find these kind of guys. So, yeah, I think I would say you got your bell cow there and Ruben Ruben Bain Jr. just snatching the hat right off the mirror situation.

1:40:54Like from the jump, we realized this was the right pick.

1:40:57Pat McAfee:And I guess there was 21 mock drafts that were done by ESPN people. None of them had Reuben Bain lasting until pick 15. And Jason Light's quotes coming afterwards said that was the loudest I've ever seen a draft room when the Buccaneers realized that Bain was going to be available at 15. He would also go on to say that he got a lot of calls from people that wanted to trade up or trade down. Once he thought that Bain was potentially going to be available at 15, they weren't answering or moving at all. Feels like they got exactly who they wanted. Joining us now, general manager for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jason Light.

1:41:27Pat McAfee:Hey, I just read through your quotes about wanting dogs and how excited the draft room was when Reuben Bain was available at 15. Whenever I read your quote about loving ball and everything, it sounded exactly like Mario Cristobal. Whenever you're going through this entire process, obviously you pick up Keontae Scott as well, how much are you learning from him about Reuben Bain and how much are you falling in love with him immediately upon the thought that maybe he'll be available at 15 somehow, Jason? A little of both, but, you know, as we talk, Yeah, Coach Cristobal has done an amazing job restoring that program to where I remember it as a kid.

1:42:02I was a big Nebraska fan and went there, went to Nebraska, played there for a little bit. But, you know, the U was, they were unbelievable. And they had all those players, I mean, we could list them all, take forever, that just loved football, that were just very passionate. And, you know, as we talked to their staff, it was Reuben and Keontae were two that they said described as the heartbeat of the team. and we're looking for those kind of guys. And when he walked out there and snatched that hat, I've got to tell you that was a six-to-midnight moment.

1:42:39Like I said, I think you were reading, usually that first pick sometimes takes on his personality and the way that he prepares and works and loves football. It's addicted to it. It kind of bleeds into the whole class. So couldn't find a better person to lead that class. And all the work that Duke Preston and Tyler Thompson and our player development do with these guys, these rookies, they spend a lot of time with them. It sure makes it a lot easier for them, too, to know how to be a pro because I think these guys know how to be pros.

1:43:10Pat McAfee:Yeah, especially these days. They're making money at a younger age, especially if you're a game wrecker like Bain certainly was. We saw him during a college football playoff run from the field. He was special. I mean, he took over at Texas A &M. And he took over every game, basically, whenever he wanted to. But his arms obviously weren't as long as everybody had wanted or in the past NFL dreams. Hembo told us that there was 21 ESPN.com mock drafts. Not that it matters because it's ESPN.com and it's media people, not necessarily actual general managers. But I think they try to get as much information from you guys as possible before they put it together.

1:43:42Pat McAfee:He was never available at pick 15 in any of those mocks. It sounds like maybe you guys felt the same way, didn't expect him to be available. and the arm size thing. What is that? Is that not real if the guy's a football player? Is that how we should view that? Well, everybody's got a prototype, and we kind of viewed him as a problem, not a prototype. And, you know, that short arm thing, I've seen that movie before, and it's called A.Q. Shipley playing a decade in the league. So it's – and Ruben's arms are a lot longer than A.Q.'s too. Of course. You know, when – probably by five inches. But when you factor in his getoff and his power, I think it added about three inches.

1:44:26So that was never a problem for us. We just saw him as a game wrecker at the college level. Now, he still has to prove himself at our level, and we're excited to get started with that. But, you know, if you can't play with short arms, then obviously the tackles in the ACC, Big Ten, and, you know, the playoffs that they were playing in, they didn't get that memo.

1:44:50Pat McAfee:The SEC, one of the top tackles he did jousting with in the first round of the college football playoffs. Obviously the ACC all season, Big Ten had to joust with him. Big Ten. Yeah, I mean, he was certified, certainly, in his – I mean, it is a hell of a presence. It is a hell of a presence in it all. D-Bot has a question for you, Jason. Yeah, obviously Reuben Bain will be a part of this as well. You mentioned he's got to prove it on the next level. But you had to replace two pillars of your organization this offseason with Mike Evans and Levante David retiring. Is that like a conversation you have with maybe a Baker Mayfield or a Winfield on the defensive side, or is that something you just kind of naturally let happen?

1:45:30Well, it's a little bit more of just naturally let happen. And I think there's nobody here in the organization that was happy to see those two go, to see Levante retire or to see, I mean, it was bittersweet for him. I think he, it was, you know, he kept an awesome career, very underappreciated career here in Tampa. And retiring when he did, I mean, I understood it was a tough conversation for me on my end to hear because we would have certainly welcomed him back. And then to see Mike leave, it was tough. But I think everybody just realized it's time to – we have to reset. We have to move forward.

1:46:10And we have to – we have a great receiver room, awesome receiver room, awesome receivers coach, awesome offensive staff. And so, you know, we picked Ted Hurst not to replace Mike Evans by any means, but I think he's somebody that comes into a perfect situation to learn from the guys that we have, not being expected to be a savior right away, but he certainly has a lot of talent that we're all very excited to have him in here this weekend for rookie minicamp, that's for sure.

1:46:40Darius Butler:Yeah, more on him. Go ahead, Tom. Yeah, Jason, obviously he was a darling coming out of the combine, just being 6 '4", running a 4 '4". I think he jumped 38, 39 inches or whatever. But how is it scouting a guy like that? how is it scouting a guy like that who goes against a lower school competition and then projecting what he will be able to do in the NFL? Yeah, that's always a little tough. But when he went to the Senior Bowl, he dominated there. The practices, he stood out. And, you know, sometimes you have to take a little bit of a roll of the dice. We did it several years ago with Ali Morpette.

1:47:15We moved up in the second round and took him out of Hobart. And that was the days before NIL and transfer portals. So, but we just, we saw everything that we thought, all the traits that he, we, that he needed to be successful at some point. And, you know, like I said, sometimes you got to roll the dice a little bit, but we, we saw them all. So now it's, and we've got a great, we've got a great coaching staff to develop too.

1:47:39Pat McAfee:Yeah. I, uh, Baker, obviously the guy, whenever you make that decision and you know, it's because you've already won a Superbowl, right? So now it's like, how do we get back? How do we get back? Baker's the guy. We know that Baker can make everybody good. We just got to find pieces that can go. And then on the defensive front there, I think three of your first four picks were all defensive. It's like, was the draft more defensive heavy? Is this kind of how you think you get back to the Super Bowl? Like, how do you kind of view the development of your team and where you're at right now as you try to rebuild another champion?

1:48:10Well, knock on wood, we got to stay healthy on offense. Right now, everybody's, we're looking very good there. I think when we're healthy, we have one of the better offensive lines in the league. And very, very happy with that. And, you know, last year we went through a lot of injuries along the offensive line. I had a lot of different combinations there with both tackles being hurt and Cody Mopp being out most of the year, Ben Bredesen being hurt at some point. I think Grant Barton, our center, was the only one that played every game on the entire offense, played every snap. But to have that offensive line, get that run game going again, and then keeping Baker healthy, I think, is going to make a huge difference.

1:48:49And last year when we lost Kalijah, that was huge. We lost a rookie who we were expecting some really good things for the whole year. And then now with the additions that we've made, we kind of made a little bit of a concerted effort to add to that defense and to get our pass rush going and bring in some versatile pieces that Todd likes to use in the blitz packages. And, you know, it's one of those drafts where we were able to accomplish the things that we wanted, which made it feel very good at the end. I love that. The draft changes.

1:49:22Pat McAfee:You're good, Conman. Yeah, Jason, you just mentioned the time, and I don't think it took much time to submit the first pick for you with Reuben Bain. But was there anything with the eight-minute change and then the time being a little less? Did it feel better from the war room just kind of realizing, like, oh, nice, we're not going to be here for 10 hours tonight. We might get out of here before, you know, dinner time. and what was kind of the feel with the time change? Well, I do always like to have a cold one after the draft. That came a little quicker this year. It wasn't at one in the morning.

1:49:54You know what it did for me this year is I think I was definitely afraid because all of our scenarios, only a couple of them where Ruben was there and it was on all our conversations. We're definitely just running that card in or entering it now in the portal as fast as we could. but if I said let's wait 15 seconds 20 seconds to see if the phone rings and then I just couldn't help myself so if I think if there was more time it would have just been more my heart was beaten out of my chest I was about to pass out it was like there was so much excitement just because of the shock a little bit that he was there that he fell to us now you know you got to expect the unexpected in the draft and and I can understand why the the teams took the players that they did ahead of us.

1:50:38They had some very good picks, some great picks, actually. So I think we just got a little bit fortunate that there were needs with other teams in front of us. The run of the tackle class, the fact Caleb Downs fell a little bit. Dallas, we were afraid they were going to take the best available defensive player and didn't thought maybe it'd be Downs. Quarterback going, which I think is a smart pick by the Rams, but quarterback going, all those factors. And then And dating back to free agency, the whole – Wait, you were going to take Ty Simpson? I didn't say that, no.

1:51:12Pat McAfee:Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I didn't know. I said it was a smart pick by the Rams. Okay, all right, sounds good. Yeah, because you made sure to say that it was a smart pick. And by the way, I liked the pick. Did it surprise you? Did it surprise you at all, Jason? I just wanted to compliment them, and I'm thankful for that pick on them. I think it helped us. Quarterback, great pick by you. Yeah, really good, really good job. But then I think going back to free agency when, you know, the Raiders-Ravens trade didn't work out, I think that in some way I'd like to think helped us a little bit. I was a little afraid if the Raiders made that trade that, you know, Spitek, you know, he and I are very close.

1:51:49He was taunting me a little bit. Hey, we're sitting right in front of you. I know what you need. And then, you know, Crosby goes back to the Raiders. Then the Ravens are sitting there again with their pick. And I know they love their edge rushers, too. So that had me nervous. So, and, you know, they took Vega, which is an awesome pick. You know, they need offensive linemen. So maybe the fact that the Raiders signed Lindvom helped us get Ruben. So, you know, we're all trying to help each other out here, especially the people that are good friends. So thanks to FITEC.

1:52:20Pat McAfee:Yeah, of course. And then that trade not going through, absurd. I don't think we'd ever seen anything like that, especially with a player at Crosby's kind of magnitude of success that he's had. Steve Jobs has a quote about something about not being able to look forward didn't understand what it is. You can only connect the dots looking back. I love the fact that you've run through all the scenarios. Linderbaum did this. Groszman did this. That ends up with us getting Reuben Bain. Ty Simpson. Great sign. Great draft. Way to think for the future. I love that. And then you saying, I wanted to wait 15, 20 seconds for the pick.

1:52:49Heart's beating out of my chest. Let's turn this thing in. I love that. Reuben Bain should love it. Hendrickson being signed by the Ravens. We were in on that a little bit. You know, felt a little bit, you know, dejected at first. but now maybe it worked in our favor. So I'm not saying Ruben's better than Hendrickson. I'm just saying now we've got our draft pick that we're all excited about. Everybody's excited about the shiny new toy.

1:53:12Pat McAfee:Okay, so Trey Hendrickson, potentially a Tampa Bay Buccaneer until the Ravens come in with the offer that they had. Trey Hendrickson said he was being told from Baltimore that Crosby and he were going to potentially be together. That's what he came out and said. Sounds like there was other conversations taking place for Trey Hendrickson. And then all of a sudden, whenever you miss out on that, you go, is Reuben Bain available at 15? We'll take him. What a play by you. Congratulations, man, on it all. I'm hoping that you love the hell out of the rest of your draft picks as well that we should have talked about a little bit more about.

1:53:43Pat McAfee:And good luck on your hunt for another championship, my brother. Appreciate you guys. Always a pleasure. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen. That's beer drinker noted, Jason Light. Yeah, Jason! So many decisions have to be made. So many things happen. He says, who cares? All roads led to us getting Reuben Bain at 15. Let's keep it moving. That's what you want to hear if you're Reuben Bain. We'll continue to talk on the other side digitally as SportsCenter takes you from here on ESPN. Felt good about the sign-off there. That was a great one. Okay, so Trey Hendrickson was in with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1:54:13Pat McAfee:Wild. Okay. Ty Simpson, I did not say I was going to draft him. I was like, ooh, you did go out of your way to compliment. Smart pick. That was a good pick. Was it just because whenever that pick happens, they go, yeah.

1:54:24Darius Butler:The rest of the NFC West said it was a smart pick as well.

1:54:28Pat McAfee:Yeah, everybody that was potentially aiming for somebody else immediately after them was just the thought of, like, sweating there. Just like. Yeah, because. Is this guy going to fucking drop all the way to us? I don't like to compliment the Dolphins on their pick. What do you mean? A couple picks in front of them, too. Two different comments, though. I think the smart pick is the funniest compliment you can give. Well, it's not a good pick, but it's smart. You know, right now. Oh, you think kind of. It's just a smart pick, okay? It's not a great one. Is that with all due respect? Yeah, it's kind of like a, yeah, we'll see.

1:55:01We'll see if it was a good pick. It was smart. Really smart people would make that pick. Oh, this guy's a genius. Yeah. Yeah, you think that's what that was? I don't know. I don't want to go that far because I'm sure Les Snead and like are good friends and all that stuff, but I don't think calling it a smart pick is a compliment.

1:55:19Pat McAfee:Okay, let's talk about some other general management taking place. Trent Williams' deal with the 49ers has a no-holdout bonus. to the thread. $37 million of Trent Williams' new contract is fully guaranteed. He can fully secure another$11.5 million more as a 2028 roster bonus, only if he does not hold out or miss any of the offseason time. Lynch said, I'm sick of it. Every fucking year I got to deal with this. Okay? How about this? We'll put this in here. All you got to do is just come, and we don't need to do it. Now, Trent Williams is certainly a guy that has earned every single dollar. They're talking about him being a generational goat at tackle.

1:55:52Pat McAfee:He is certainly special for the Kyle Shanahan offense, as his ass has been in motion before. And he's certainly a leader of the pack as he comes out with the boom box at the very beginning to fight everybody. He is one of the faces of this 49ers team. He's one of the faces of football as a whole, especially when the story is told in the Hall of Fame. So I appreciate the fact that he's the first one to go, all right, I'll be here. No worries. Eleven and a half million. Let's go ahead and do it. Because that's kind of precedent now for everything that John Lynch has going forward. Is this new? I don't know.

1:56:16I don't know if I've heard. This is a couple. I'd put that in a lot. We had the UFA with A-Rod. And then now. You know, UFA. You know, UFA does mean something. Yes, it does. Which I kind of like. We need to start maybe saying it a little bit more. Because the UFA is kind of the UFA. What does it mean? I think it means, like, fuck off.

1:56:35Darius Butler:Yeah, I got a DM from someone. I believe it means fuck you in Samoan.

1:56:40Pat McAfee:UFA. Kind of cool. Is that why they called it that? Is that why he's going to the Arizona Cardinals? What's that all about, H? He's going to the Cardinals? Yeah, who came up with that? Yeah, who came up with that? Aaron did. You tell us. Aaron did. Aaron floated it out there. Complex Sports reporting. Aaron Rodgers, Steelers exit rumors. Heat up with Arizona Cardinals twist. Details. And I got people recruiting them. You got people saying, hey, you love Arizona out here. Arizona?

1:57:05Darius Butler:It's fine. Steelers get a compact back.

1:57:06Pat McAfee:Yeah, because they put the oofa down on them.

1:57:08Darius Butler:Smart business.

1:57:09Pat McAfee:On that note, I'm just trying, and I might be completely wrong.

1:57:13Darius Butler:Fuck.

1:57:14Pat McAfee:I'm not saying I'm smarter than anybody else.

1:57:16Darius Butler:Sure.

1:57:17Pat McAfee:Literally ever. No, I think I've done some things that will prove that I am, but I think, you know, never really going to say it. this makes no sense this would make no sense this is zero communication from aaron rogers since this report this is not me being a source situation from arizona but yeah recruiting we're waiting on you wow yeah and then you start looking at the cardinals it's like why in the blue hell would aaron rogers go to a floor-led team in arizona that has allegedly worse facilities and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, we love the city of Phoenix. Sure. We love the state of Arizona.

1:57:59Pat McAfee:We love the weather. We love the stadium. We love everything that is possible with what could be an NFL team in Arizona, but it's notoriously ass out there. I don't know why you would just necessarily sign up for that if you're Aaron Rodgers. This doesn't make sense to me, but there has to be a reason that it's being talked about somewhere. Has to be a reason somewhere, somehow. Maybe it's the Cardinals trying to cook it up a little bit. Like, hey. You need a quarterback. Yeah. Hey. Trying to get Jacoby back in the building, you think? Maybe. For Brissette, yep. Yeah, maybe. That's why they're doing it.

1:58:29Pat McAfee:Maybe it is a leverage play completely. I wonder if Aaron even. Or maybe it's some random guy on the internet that just said something. I'll tell you what. I've seen the guy who had like 1 ,300 followers write an article for some other platform that has a lot of followers. And all of a sudden, people started believing. Like, the guy, this is a fucking, no brain. It's an opinion. Yeah, what have we been talking about here? But on that note. Aaron Rodgers to the Cardinals. Aaron Zona. Oh my God. The story writes itself almost. What are you saying, Tone?

1:59:01Darius Butler:I mean, they've got great weapons out there, especially with the addition of Jeremiah Love. It's warm. He's getting older, so his body will be loose all the time. It's indoors. Great stars. He has played great in Arizona. Yes, golf. Yeah, he'd fit in at the Phoenician. Close to California. Just an easy, probably quick 45-minute plane ride to his house or whatever. So I think it makes all the sense. He won two MVPs playing for a LaFleur. Bingo. Back in the glory days. He can recapture that magic. I believe Nathaniel Hackett might be the OC. I believe he loves it. Why the Pittsburgh guy is swinging this?

1:59:31Darius Butler:Love that guy. Yeah, what's this all about, Nick? Why the two Pittsburgh guys are swinging this wheel? Was that the first thing Nick said all show? I dig so. We're not spinning wheels. You asked us, does it make sense? And we laid out all the reasons why it does make sense.

1:59:42Pat McAfee:And I said Aaron Zona. Not AA on the front of Arizona is the right play. Forget the air in. Let's keep the eye in the middle there. It does make sense, but you guys pushing it way too hard.

1:59:53Darius Butler:Not pushing. It kind of feels like you guys are pushing it. Just doing my job here on the show, I was asked a question on why it would make sense and just answered it succinctly.

2:00:02Pat McAfee:Foxy, are you feeling it back there? Because up here on the stage from Tone, we can feel a little bit of excitement from... I don't like what's going on because Aaron is about 10 ,000 times better than Will Howard and that other guy you guys just drafted. So do you want to win football games or not, Tony? I don't like you saying that about Will Hart, first of all. Now, on that note, Aaron Rodgers, certified first ballot Hall of Famer, we think. Yes. Talking about freaking Drew Aller, man. He's not an utter guy. He's one of the guys. He said he's Drew Aller. That's what he just said, yeah.

2:00:30Darius Butler:First off, he's third string. Mason's second string. Mason's a veteran NFL quarterback.

2:00:35Pat McAfee:We know that. He's had stadiums chanting his name before. He's risen hell. A little bit too much of hell, if I had to guess. Who, Mason Rudolph? Yeah, I'm not sure what stage of life Mason's in, but he has certainly raised a little bit of health throughout it. AJ, Arizona does, Arizona, sorry, I didn't say it right, Arizona. That doesn't make sense to me. Would it make sense to you if you had to start laying out some reasons on why he would? If I try to lay it out, like Tone said, you know, he presented like these were great points. It does not really make a whole lot of sense to me. I would imagine if Aaron plays this year, it would be in Pittsburgh.

2:01:08But then again, like nothing would surprise me either at the same time.

2:01:12Darius Butler:Who knows? Maybe his in-laws are from Arizona. No, they're not. He told us where they're from. No, he did not tell us where they're from. I thought he did. No. Aaron. Hey, Aaron. Good luck, man. Good luck, man.

2:01:28Pat McAfee:People in Pittsburgh, though, are done with two years of just waiting on this guy. This guy. Yeah. That's how they view it, AJ. That's how they view it. How's Coach Diggs feel? I feel like he speaks for the city. He feels a certain way. I can't stay on air. Oh. So, Coach Diggs is one particular portion of the city. And he does not speak for the city. Okay, then there's – yeah, exactly. For me, I took him as the boss of the city. There's younger – So, he's the coach. Those guys, there's diehard Steeler fans. You know, I think when Tone went back for the draft, he found himself in many different settings and in many different conversations and heard the same words coming out of everybody's mouth, basically.

2:02:06Pat McAfee:And then Tone felt very free to get on this particular microphone. It was over there at the time before Ty. Missy goes like, all right, we all feel this way. This guy needs to make this fucking decision. He needs to get the fuck out of town. Dumb with it. That is what Tone's boots on the ground research basically found out. But the Steelers have never said that. Steelers have still, I think, been very much like, hey, whatever you need to do, let's go ahead and get this done. Onaruni said, we'll get an answer before draft. And then Onaruni was told, hey, this is Aaron Rodgers here. Okay, we don't know if we're going to hear from him by the draft.

2:02:37Pat McAfee:We have – then they're like, we're in constant conversation with him. We're actually in very much communication with him. So, it's like, I think this is on his timeline. I think he knows that. I think the Steelers, once again, are probably in on that timeline. But Yinzers are already done with it. Maybe it's the Steelers' fault. I'm sorry, what? They're enabling this behavior.

2:02:55Darius Butler:They are enabling this. Put your foot down. I agree. Thank you. I'm sure A-class organization. It's Cinco de Mayo and 31 other teams know who their quarterback's going to be this season. Yeah, but they see – give him a deadline. You want to do that? Yeah. Hard deadline, AJ. Yeah, like when a girlfriend forces a boyfriend, hey, if I don't get engaged in the next six months, we're not getting married. I'm like, well, buddy, you better run because that's not going to work. That works.

2:03:18Pat McAfee:Okay, I like the metaphor because obviously you're talking about forcing somebody into a lifetime commitment there, and if you have to do that, then you probably didn't want to do that. Bingo. Why are we doing that? Which is kind of how the Ingers feel, I guess. It is a good metaphor. It's like, if you want to be a Steelers quarterback, don't be a Steelers quarterback, okay? I didn't even go to the Derby.

2:03:36Darius Butler:I'm worried about him. He always goes to the Derby. Is he in the right mindset? Too much sex. Yeah. So much sex, dude. Is he in great shape? I assume he is. Yeah, at this point. Because he's just been pounding. Yeah. Just absolutely. Maybe he couldn't go to the Derby because all the talk about studding out stuff, and he would just, oh, I've got to have sex right now. There's a chance. I mean, we don't know what stage of life is.

2:04:00Pat McAfee:And by the way, he seemed to be happy. Seemed to be very happy. I mean, that's why May 4th, like, you got to assume his – or May 5th, excuse me. His plums are almost completely drained. I couldn't get it out. I couldn't get it out. Damn it. But they got to be almost completely – He should not have told – I mean, that answer is we're doing journalism. Hey, you look like you're in good shape, man. You're still spinning and working out? Come on. You know the deal. I'm fucking putting on a show. Just trying to. Every night with the wife, maybe even in the morning, we talk about coffee boning, lunch boning, dinner boning, oh, yeah.

2:04:38Late night snack, ass getting cracked. Boom. That's why I'm in good shape. I mean, yeah. That's what he said. That's pretty much what he said. It is what he said. That's what he said to everybody. National TV. I mean, this is just, hey, I'm fucking doing push-ups so I can bone. Like, I don't give a fuck about football right now, okay? I care about two things. I'm not spinning it. I'm slinging it. Yeah. And when it comes time to get back on a field, know that my hips have been properly executed all offseason.

2:05:09Darius Butler:Yeah, he looked at me and said, Hey, Tone, you're not from the boning side of town. Yeah. That's basically what he said. You're from a long line of non-boners over there. Bingo. Bingo. That was rude. But on that note, Yenzers would like to hear if you're boning and playing football for them. Yeah, sorry. He can't answer. He's fucking. So you're going to have to ask that question again He actually changed his voicemail Hi, this is Aaron Rodgers, I can't come to the phone right now I'm too busy fucking my wife Yeah, and also, there's no storage show There's no time to record It's actually, the voicemail is filled Because I haven't been able to check my voicemails Because all I've been doing is burning Yeah, voicemail is filled, I'm like my balls We hope he's happy Are you guys playing in Tahoe, AJ, or is he busy?

2:05:53Oh, we know what he's doing That's a good question He's playing out fine. That's a good view. Holy shit. That view? Hawk's not invited anymore. Hope you're not staying at that house this year. Gonna need multiple caddies.

2:06:05Pat McAfee:Hey, you're gonna maybe walk around with an umbrella because you never know what's going on. I'm wearing a poncho. I'm wearing a poncho the whole time. Deebo, where are you going, buddy? Butch, he got a horn up. What happened to you? Butch is going to beat off because he's so jacked up about Rodgers. Thinking about Todd. I hope he's got his ears in. He's back there just yanking on that thing with his ears. We don't know. We don't know what's happening back there. We hope everything's okay in all parties, but we're happy that he is happy with his wife, that is Aaron Rodgers. And yeah, we're just reporting what we heard from you.

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2:07:49Pat McAfee:Now in Philadelphia, they got answers. Big Dom ain't got it nowhere.

2:07:53Darius Butler:Congrats, Dom. Thank God we got this news.

2:07:57Pat McAfee:Grazie, prego. Philadelphia Eagles get a deal done with Dom, extending him for a longer period of time. Mr. DeSondro's official title is our senior advisor to the general manager. Hey, I'm not junior right here. Senior advisor. There's other advisors I come in, I advise in a senior level. Grazie.

2:08:16Darius Butler:That's big Dom.

2:08:17Pat McAfee:He's also chief security officer, CSO. He's in a C-suite. Of course. Which we appreciate. And he's game day coaching operations to make sure everybody on the sidelines kind of functioning well. Everybody that leaves Philadelphia sings this man's praises. And the more titles he gets, I think the more confusion happens on what exactly he does. Feels like he's the actual glue of the entire organization, holding it together with every piece of Italian limb that he has. I feel like that is kind of what it is. Congrats to him. And who would have thought that a contract extension to Dom DeSondre would be NFL news?

2:08:52So good on him. You've done good, Dom. You've done really good.

2:08:56Darius Butler:We've heard amazing things about him as a human being. But other fan bases and the general public has, with the news yesterday, the kind of vibe on the internet was, why do we need to know this? What? Yeah, it felt like the internet thought there was a bit of an Icarus situation. That's just me reporting. What's that?

2:09:16Pat McAfee:Icarus, that Russian steroid?

2:09:18Darius Butler:No, Icarus flew too close to the sun. Oh. And I believe his wings got burned up. I think that's how the story goes. I could be wrong. Throwing a lifeline out there. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, guys.

2:09:31Pat McAfee:In Greek mythology, Icarus is the son of Daedalus, who died after ignoring warnings and flying too close to the sun. Oh, we always say fly too close to the sun. Happened to us a couple times. That's Icarus. Yeah, we flew way too close to the sun a couple times. Oh, yeah, no doubt. And then we lost our wings for a bit, and then we had to grow those sons of bitches back out. I mean, that is part of it. And Icarus had to deal with that. Big Dom DeSondra, he's nowhere near Icarus.

2:09:52Darius Butler:I was just telling you what to do. Because he actually moves the sun. Yeah, he is the sun. Yes, the Eagles organization revolves around him. We don't really hear Big Dom speak, though, to, you know, defend Big Dom. I know Tone's all upset and frustrated by it, but we don't see Big Dom holding press conferences for himself, do we? It's none of his own doing. which is why we say did you guys actually have a Big Dom character in your NFL buildings or is Big Dom actually one of one every room has a security head yeah just a normal Doug Collins guy in Green Bay named Doug Collins shaved head guy you'll see him behind the head coach always ready just ready to strike anything that happens with the other opposing head coach

2:10:37Pat McAfee:guy named James was there for a while always got a security team and then a player development team who are kind of always guys or gals who just take care of what needs to be taken care of and take care of the thing i think dom does take care of the thing is he a

2:10:50Darius Butler:fixer do the NFL teams have fixers he's both i think he takes care of the thing okay what's the

2:10:56Pat McAfee:thing that thing yeah what about in this world coaching operations yeah i take care of the thing yep what about in chief security yeah you need that senior advising to he works with gm and the

2:11:06Darius Butler:coaches and security and the scouting department is he also on social media one is the guy running tweets probably throwing ideas out there we'll probably learn from the schedule reveal jonathan

2:11:16Pat McAfee:ganning deep shots explosives you got that fire in your tummy well his fire has taken its way to the green bay packers a once dominant defensive coordinator for the philadelphia eagles is now back to being a dc for the green bay packers and he had this to say about the quarterback for Green Bay. Yeah, personally, I think, you know, when you look at like the organization, the people that are in the organization, so the place, the people, and then, you know, our players, you know, having competed against them last year, you know, the people on defense, and not just the people on defense, people on offense.

2:11:53This is a good crew on offense, you know, having to try to defend them for, you know, a couple different years, but But Jordan Love, that was a huge thing to me, you know. And I think he's in the top tier. So, you know, if you got those things right, you probably have a chance to win.

2:12:09Pat McAfee:Ty Schmidt, we love you, buddy. Can't wait for you to get back. But also congratulations on life and happiness for the family. On that note, Jordan Love, top tier. Do you feel that way, AJ, about the Green Bay Packers? What is the tier? How many tiers are there? I know on the Internet there's a lot of tiering. People do. I always find it very difficult. the naming of the tier is always funny yes always very clever I do appreciate when the internet does that Jordan Love though top tier NFC quarterback is what Gannon's saying I appreciate it I respect it how do you feel as a Green Bay Packer legend yeah I mean first of all I think it's smart by Jonathan Gannon of course why would you not want to come in there and pump up the offense and and I think he genuinely feels that way yeah I think Jordan Love is is one of the quarterbacks in the NFL that can win you a championship obviously hasn't done that yet he's been a bit inconsistent at times and been banged up, but yeah, I think he's a guy that gives you a chance, no question.

2:12:58Who's in top tier? We got Patty Mahomes up there. How many tiers you got? I don't know, that's interesting because, you know, what do you separate them from? And how many are in the top? Do you have to have a ring to be in the top tier? Yeah, would you separate Stafford, Mahomes, Rodgers, and those guys? Sam Darnold? Super Bowl champs. Can you be in the top tier without a ring? Yeah. You should be able to. So,

2:13:21Pat McAfee:Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen in top tier. Joe Burrow, is he in there? Joe Burrow is in. Would Burrow be more so May? Like, would the May tier be that right below it? Trank May is with Joe Burrow? Because they both made Super Bowl is what you're saying? Yeah. Joe Burrow, he looked so cool last night, first of all. He's a handsome fella. I think I would say good player, Joe Burrow.

2:13:43Darius Butler:Yeah. I think I'd put him there. Would I put him in top tier, though? I think Herbert and Love are in the same tier, whatever tier that one is. Herbert, Love, Joey Burrow. I'd put Burrow above them. Yeah, slightly. Just because he had a run, at least. Like, he's only had one really, really good year. What's Dak Prescott?

2:14:01Pat McAfee:What tier is that? That's right there. I'd put him right there with Love and Herbert. Herbert, Dak, Joey Burrow up here. Yeah. You're putting Drake up there, too, because he made a Super Bowl? I am, yeah. There's also young guys here. I don't know. Drake could be with the Daniels and the – You're not putting Burrow over Herbert? Nope, I'm not putting Burrow over Dak. okay Josh Allen Matthew Stafford Lamar Jackson my homes I put my homes in Stafford probably in the tiered own okay it'll probably be tier one okay and then after that would be Allen Lamar like MVPs put them right there and that's kind of just got to go from there where's Darnold okay so that's the four right there it sounds like it's tier one tier two and then you go to herbert and dac so on that note stafford's only nfc quarterback there yeah okay so whenever gannon comes in to the greenback packers and says he's top tier nfc quarterback that would be right he'd probably be in that herbert love dac one that's right underneath also you think golf in there as well yeah is that the one right under those four?

2:15:09I mean, even Khalid after the year he had last year, I'll put him right up there. Wow. See, I think Drake and Caleb and Jaden, I think they're all in like a maybe, maybe going to need to see more. But certainly lack where they're headed. In a tier. You know, we have you in a tier. Is Darnold still there? Do you need to see more? I mean, we do need to see more out of Darnold, but what tier do you put him? Super Bowl champ! Didn't even mention his name! Oh my god! And he followed it up. A lot of people didn't think that was going to happen. Oh, I feel so fucking bad there. I'm so sorry, Sam Darnold.

2:15:41And that's why, like, the – Sam Darnold's slightly –

2:15:44Darius Butler:That's why the young guy thing. See, I think Sam could be in there now with, you know, the Dak and Herberts, even though he did win a Super Bowl and those guys have not even – Exactly. So, don't you got to slot him above that group there, don't you? But is it team success or just one? Yeah. Because, like, Drake Mays that season last year is better than basically everybody we've listed their best season. But Sam Darnold has won a Super Bowl. And he was very, very good. That's why the tiering thing is tough. And Bo Nix was potentially leading the Denver Broncos to the Super Bowl. Sam Darnold has Offensive Player of the Year.

2:16:16Does that hurt him or does that help him? Paul.

2:16:20Pat McAfee:And then Aaron Rodgers is first ballot.

2:16:22Darius Butler:We need to do more. And he is playing currently. So it's like where do you put him? Old guy tier. Okay. Well, I like what Gannon said. He said, hey, we're doing tier talk.

2:16:32Pat McAfee:fucking jordan's in it so let's have a good time pump your guy i think you definitely do not to but he could have avoided it this team went and got micah you could tell they're invested in dv like his answer could have went that's a real answer too though like because that's the first thing you'll look at probably alignment at the top with the ownership and all that stuff but then hey do you have a quarterback like do we because we all know as even as players whoever like that quarterback is driving the ship you're going to be on prime time more you're going to be and then that's going to be him getting a head coaching job again if he's good for a couple

2:17:00Darius Butler:We kind of, people do this to Jalen Hurts a lot. We kind of did to Jalen Hurts, too. I threw him in there. I threw him in there. Where? He said Hurts.

2:17:08Pat McAfee:He said Hurts with the Herbert and Love and all that. But he's won a Super Bowl. So is he in the Sam Darnold one that's above them because they probably won a Super Bowl? It's kind of disrespectful to Hurts. I got to be honest. This is the way I've heard you. That's why I don't do the team. I got to be honest. That's why I don't do the team. I just assumed Gannon was basically saying anything except for, look, I want to come and beat the fuck out of Kyler Murray for two weeks out of the year. He went to Minnesota. Okay, sounds good. I'll go to Green Bay.

2:17:33Darius Butler:That would be great. That would be a great answer.

2:17:34Pat McAfee:You know who we certainly left off as well here?

2:17:37Darius Butler:Who?

2:17:38Pat McAfee:And at the time, he maybe had the greatest rookie season of all time. Joe Flacco. We did leave him.

2:17:44Darius Butler:Joe Flacco and Aaron are in the same tier together right now. CJ? Okay. Bang. CJ Stroud. Oh, yeah, we did. CJ Stroud, haircut and thinner, it appears, maybe less fat. So he's more jacked out there. Here's D 'Amico Ryan's chit-chatting about CJ Stroud and the entire team at a golf event where he looks super cool.

2:18:03Pat McAfee:Is the extra stuff with the body, was that like an emphasis or is that just something that you decided on? No, it's the things with the body is what all our guys are doing. I mean, I single CJ out because it was asked about him specifically, but I can say that for all of our guys. That's what this time of year is about. It's about, you know, first off, getting the rest that you need from such a long season. Then and then you come back and you assess your body and you see where can you grow, where can you improve as a professional. So that's what all of our guys. Owner Kyle McNair, who we met at league meetings, cool family.

2:18:37Great. Very, very kind. He also spoke about C.J. Stroud. Well, as you know, we'll leave that up with Nick and those communications are behind the scenes. But, yeah, we're fully committed to C.J. I think you saw we extended it. We exercised his fifth-year option. And so we'll see how it all works out.

2:18:57Pat McAfee:I'm not saying shit about his body. You can ask Nick, Sarah, and D 'Amico. Ryan's on that note. We just said his fifth-year option's good. So we like C.J. Stroud here. What are your thoughts on how C.J. looks? Obviously a new version. Also, he hasn't been doing any of the bullshit here in the offseason. I just feel like C.J. has kind of wanted to witness protection a little bit to get back on top, hopefully down there in Houston. Yeah, I mean, I think playing the NFL can be a rollercoaster, and playing quarterback can absolutely be a rollercoaster of ups and downs. and CJ has weathered the storm a little bit, but I think, yeah, this is like the natural progression.

2:19:29Be a professional. That's what D 'Amico is talking about. You're a professional. After every season, you reassess, okay, what can I do better? What do I need to do in the offseason to either change my body? Do I need to gain weight? Do I need to lose weight? What should I be working on? And that's like your whole career, that's a constant thing. You're always trying to tweak yourself physically, I guess, to continue to play well and play at a high level as you get older.

2:19:49Pat McAfee:We respect the shit out of CJ Stroud. Had a tough playoff. Yeah. Yeah. Got really, really loud. He seems like one of those guys, AJ would probably know this better than we would, like who's been like mature, who's been kind of a pro even on the collegiate level. I remember when we first saw him, boots on the ground, was that against Georgia? Yeah, in Atlanta. We were like, okay, this is a legit NFL guy. He had immediate success. He's played in six playoffs games, one half of them. But, yeah, it's going to be loud. Of course you're there. And then especially when the organization, that's probably what Cal was asked about, when the organization is paid.

2:20:20You know, DJ Stingley made him the hottest paid corner at the time, paid him early, I believe, after his third year, and now did the same thing with Will Anderson, who was in that same draft class, a pick after C.J. Stroud. So now the question is, hey, I know you picked up the fifth-year option, but when are you going to pay him? Do you really believe in him? Because, you know, you can say what you want, but we all follow the money. That'll let you know how much you believe in the guy. Yeah, and you wonder how many guys – I assume he's on a very short list of players, or at least quarterbacks, to win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons.

2:20:49but it does feel like there are some owners that are just waiting for that quarterback to not take the highest money of all time.

2:20:55Pat McAfee:Big news out of the NFL, especially for LeJarious Sneed. His case has been completely dismissed. Dallas-based criminal defense attorney Michael J. Todd announced that all criminal charges against his client, former Chiefs and Titans quarterback LeJarious Sneed, have been dismissed. A really charged with aggravated assault that was reduced by the grand jury to the misdemeanor offense of failure to report the commission of a felony. The state of Texas dismissed the misdemeanor completely on Friday, which Todd said leave Snead without conviction or admission of any kind. LeJarrius Snead quote tweeted that and said, been such a toll on me the past two years, the weight is finally off.

2:21:26Pat McAfee:And tell that devil I'm coming back for everything he tried to steal. Okay. LeJarrius Snead, obviously we remember him whenever he was with the Chiefs. He had the punch out of the Baltimore Ravens at the half yard line, obviously in the playoff game. He is a guy I think is synonymous with playing great football. He also went on to say there in his tweet, last two years it's been tough. A lot's been happening. D-butt, what is LeJarius Sneed at this stage, and what do you think this all means for a team potentially in the future? You mentioned at his peak, and it was the reason why Tennessee paid him all that money.

2:21:57He was the best cornerback available at that time in Kansas City, and that's kind of been Kansas City's thing. They let Ward leave. They let Sneed leave, and he was the best of the bunch. Tone setter, can tackle, can cover. It didn't go well on the field with Tennessee. He only played in 12 total games in a couple years, so it's about healthy, and we always look at players and what's happening on Sundays or Mondays or, you know, Thursdays whenever they're playing, but they're human. So they're dealing with a lot of shit off the field as well, whether that's family, whether that's some shit that's taking, you know, going on in the courts or whatnot.

2:22:28So now with all that being behind him, hopefully we see him back at that elite level out there playing corner.

2:22:33Pat McAfee:I love to hear it. I also like that he quotes when he's Shefter's news break and say, hey, hey, just so we're all, hey, okay. And I would like to go ahead and let everybody know that I am still who exactly you think I am. Good luck to him, and congrats to him. Yeah. I mean, legit, the amount of weight that that probably is, as it's all just kind of looming over your head, because you have no idea how it's going to all go for it to get completely dismissed. Congrats to you, man. Some other cases going on right now that we're watching. Yeah, I'm excited to see what happened today. Those have been fun to follow up with.

2:23:10Man. We got cameras everywhere. Yeah. In court. I mean, we got 4K. I got 4K. I'm hearing a lot. I'm learning a lot through interesting thing.

2:23:20Pat McAfee:You know, and this is something that normally, just from experience, it feels like, in the world that we have and covering daily stuff. It's like this stuff very rarely gets to court. You know, it's always like something that happens. So, like, Stefan Diggs' court case that's currently happening very publicly with videos happening everywhere. Very rarely does this make it to this stage of it all. Wild what's going on in there. And who knows how it ends. But I guess the judge today was like, hey, answer the question. Yeah, that's just shit. Yeah, it's wild because this is, I mean, careers, future generations.

2:23:58I mean, there's a lot on the line through all this.

2:24:00Pat McAfee:So, like, when LeJarius Sneed says, like, man, I finally feel free, you could see how that would be real. because you think about losing everything whenever that type of stuff is happening. Like, hey, it's all over. Everything I've ever done, worked for, it's all for naught. So then whenever you get away from that and you get publicly exonerated, which I'm not going to say is happening in the one we're watching currently, I'm just saying from the videos that we're seeing, it is crazy what is kind of available at this stage of life, certainly. But it's like, I do think he's probably very excited to get a chance to prove himself yet again and rewrite how this entire football life goes.

2:24:34Pat McAfee:And hopefully he gets an opportunity to do that back with a team that is great. Let's head to college, shall we? You hear what the Big Ten's paying their schools? How much? One year. One fiscal year. $1.37 billion from the Big Ten to its schools and its universities. Remember, there was a time whenever schools had to act like they were a nonprofit. You remember that? We're not making any money, actually. Yeah, we're not making any money. What's that building? Oh, that's an$800 million renovation. We don't make any money. We're not making any money. What do you expect from us? Hey, what's this over there, that new stadium?

2:25:10Pat McAfee:Oh, that was$2 billion. We're not making any money. We're not making any money. Hey, what's the building downtown that you guys just redid? The entire university? No, no. That was a$2.3 billion renovation. We're not making any money, though. Remember? It used to be quite a gimmick on how much money is being made by who. Now, the numbers that are coming out with these TV deals, which I think are only going to continue to increase, especially for the big sports schools. I mean, this is a crazy thing. Big Ten is, I guess, very healthy. So when Petiti starts talking about stuff, he's coming from a position of our schools are eating here at the Big Ten and we're going to continue to do so.

2:25:43Darius Butler:Yeah, I mean, was it a year ago or two years ago, they signed a seven-year,$7 billion TV deal just for football. So the Big Ten has the money. They have the best TV deal out of all of the conferences, I believe, so far right now. So in return, they have the ability to then give these to the schools and then the schools will then profit for them because they're going to be the best in athletics, which then earns the Big Ten even more money.

2:26:07Pat McAfee:76 million a school and not too shabby from the Big Ten. It's only going to go up and to the right. Remember, if we, I don't know what we want. I don't know what we think is the right answer. If society gets a college ball that's under one umbrella, all the TV deals are going to have to expire or new TV deals are going to have to come into place, which is going to have so many people have to agree on so many things. them having that amount of money versus what the big 12s deal probably is or the ACC's deal definitely is i mean people are thinking about getting loans out of 750 million to get out of those types of deals it's going to be hard to get everybody on it's going to be hard i don't know what the future of college football looks like i don't know how many power conferences there are but i think the thought of everybody under one umbrella is uh i think it's cool i think it's like a cool thought that would be cool for the teams that for the teams that don't get all aren't bringing in all that revenue don't have all that money but why if we're one of the teams at the top why would you want to do well and i think that's what pitt was saying right pitt there was uh not for the tv deals but for some other agreement with the college football playoff yeah well we also want this and it's like pittity come on and pittity's like hey he was a big we're

2:27:14Darius Butler:kind of running this whole fucking the 24 team i believe yeah he wanted a certain number of teams

2:27:18Pat McAfee:no matter what to get in yeah but my entire take was pittity we're too early to be doing like leverage negotiation on something as we're trying to find it and petiti's like hey it's kind of our

2:27:29Darius Butler:game right now apparently we're learning so it's never too early to renegotiate

2:27:38the nfl's doing it right now yeah the nfl's got a lot of years left on a lot of deals and they're like we gotta kind of revisit this fuck that we're changing this youtube they're ready to buy

2:27:49Pat McAfee:up everything five games you think we potentially use a little bit a little bit of this espn getting a percentage of the nfl our nfl getting a percentage of espn such good that hindsight 10 years from now is going to be an incredible play by disney espn folks i think but also the nfl especially with what the nfl network can become but man the properties that they can sell going forward they haven't even come close to just draining every single drop of juice out of the NFL if they wanted to. I mean, if they wanted to, they could fucking put a game every day. Yeah. And somebody would pay them all the money.

2:28:26Nothing that compares. There's nothing that compares number-wise, is there, than the NFL? I mean, look at the draft numbers, the combine numbers, all of that. It's always going to be the most valuable property.

2:28:34Pat McAfee:What is it, 92 of the top 100 rated? Yeah. Or 94, maybe, of the top 100 rated things? It's like, they could do that. Now, isn't there some, what are they doing? and there's some sports leagues, not a lawsuit, some hearing happening about how much money people are having to pay to watch some sport. What was that thing? Yeah, it's an antitrust case. On the NFL or is it on everybody? I believe it's on the NFL and the Sunday ticket kind of. Oh, yeah. I got sent an email asking if I wanted to come talk, you know, and testify about being a sports fan. And I was like, oh, no. See, also, what's going on over there?

2:29:09What do you guys got going on?

2:29:12Pat McAfee:and it's like, don't we think they're abusing the fans a little bit? Don't we think that is the thing with the new –

2:29:17Darius Butler:Live Nation just lost a huge case like that. And you know who the attorney was? Soresby's attorney was the one who won that one.

2:29:24Pat McAfee:Jeff Kessler?

2:29:25Darius Butler:Yeah, he won against the Live Nation.

2:29:27Pat McAfee:Jeff Kessler, he goes in there and does – is he the one off camera talking to Stephon? Maybe. Is that who we're hearing over – what's your – she wanted to know. She's just trying to find out at one point. But it is like, it feels like some of these streaming platforms have a never-ending supply of cash, and they'll pay for the NFL. You know? That's right, people. Somebody buy Liv. Save it, man. I saw a guy wearing Louis Vuitton, Travis Scott, who's the new CEO of Liv. I think he's got it figured out. I think that was the first thing I took away as soon as I saw him.

2:30:00Darius Butler:He said he has more energy today than he has in his entire being with this Liv thing. Great shoes. Rom's gone. Where are they getting the billions of dollars to run the organization? They'll figure it out, dude. Don't worry about it. Okay. Okay. Scotty O 'Neal? Yeah. He's got it. And just like I think Schlaubach said as he just completely dissected Liv. Oh, man. Just completely killed him. He said there's enough rich people that like golf.

2:30:30Pat McAfee:He said there'll be some sort of investment from some, especially with live sports being the ratings king and the platform king. I mean, it's very possible that somebody does put money into it, but I don't think it would be people that love golf. You know, I think – They're going to be nowhere near the money they got from the PIF fund or whatever, though. Five billion. That's a lot of money. Yeah, you think we've got, like, some business people that just enjoy golf a little bit? Hey, let me throw a couple bill at this thing. It seemed to go well. Some of these private equity do have, like, just so much money.

2:30:59I guess if they see a path that they can make money, yeah. They'd rather just make their own. You've got to get very creative because I don't know how to make it work. Yeah, it's like live sports, ratings, investment, brands, teams, you know. There's so much that you could walk into some equity with a pitch deck and say, we need an opportunity to showcase sport and team and brands and younger golfers. And look, we can still draft guys. And we got Bubba Watson still. It's like they're still. Go-go. That type of stuff, you know, that's going to happen. Bryson DeChambeau, he's not gone yet, but close.

2:31:31Need your money now. You know, we need to pay him.

2:31:33Darius Butler:Rom came out and said today because he talked a lot about today. But, yes, he reached an agreement with the DP World Tour.

2:31:42Pat McAfee:DP World Tour, European PGA.

2:31:43Darius Butler:Yes, and you have to be a member on the DP World Tour to be on the European Ryder Cup team. And he was the only guy who was in live who had not paid his fines or whatever to come back to the DP World Tour to play the four events so that he could be on the Ryder Cup team. So now with this, he will be Ryder Cup eligible for the next Ryder Cup. but he was also asked about his time with Liv today, and he said they're really good at contracts.

2:32:08Pat McAfee:I have several years of my contract left. I'm pretty sure they did a pretty good job when they drafted that. So I don't see many ways out. Right now, I'm not really thinking about it because we still have a season to play and majors to compete for. John Rahm, you guys are all saying Liv's over. I'm looking at my contract.

2:32:23Darius Butler:20-29, he's under contract, too, when he said on that quote today that he is not good at contracts, but they are very good at contracts. So he's kind of dialed into there, I believe. I think he got a lot of money, though. Ton, yeah. Can they buy him out or something? Like, can he try to do something? Maybe. Scott O 'Neal's got ideas. Probably not if they're really good at contracts. They got something in there that clearly, hey, you ain't going anywhere until 2029.

2:32:47Pat McAfee:Scott O 'Neal opened up that contract. What do we got with Rombo? Oh, yeah, he's here. Okay, let's go. We hope it's good, by the way, for the Rombo family. It definitely was. D, but why don't you do something? Yeah. Why don't you put up some money? Ambassador, I'm doing my part right here.

2:33:05Darius Butler:Yeah, you are. Carrying that water.

2:33:08Pat McAfee:Yes, you certainly are. And that water's just getting higher and higher. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Drowning right now. Yeah, you're certainly going under. It was good, though. I like whenever there was that much money coming in for athletes. I did enjoy that. Because a lot of other people, businesses, corporations, could celebrate getting an investment from Saudi Arabia, which we already went through how many different companies have money from Saudi Arabia. So the grandstanding on like where the money was coming strictly for the athletes, not for the rest of the businesses that would celebrate whenever they would get an investment like that, I thought was pretty hypocritical.

2:33:41Pat McAfee:Now on that note, it was pretty early on when we watched that bullshit, we thought it was had no chance. And we thought, man, you spend so much money on golfers. Why don't you spend some money on like how to make it watchable? Yes. And it felt like they forgot about that part of it all. So if they could go back, I think that they're about 15 % there. You know, I think there was a lot of room for growth. Most of it mostly just being able to watch it and not get disgusted by it. I get that it was fun to go to the event, but guess what? People need to watch it on TV and the live production just wasn't there.

2:34:15I gave it a shot and it just was bad. It didn't even compare how PGA was. And you have to end on Sunday at 5 o 'clock. That's when everyone likes to watch golf and they had to do that too and they just never did. Well, and shotgun starts, I mean. 54 holes, shotgun starts, let alone music and goofball stuff. It was tough. The courses, too. We talk about Augusta in the PGA Championship. It's like the course has got to eat a little. When you're watching one of these tournaments or seeing clips, I've never watched that shit, but seeing clips of it, and there's like dirt patches in the fairway and around the greens, it's like this doesn't feel like a legitimate thing at all.

2:34:52Pat McAfee:Yeah, it didn't feel legitimate, any of it. The leaderboard was on the wrong side of the screen. Didn't have enough things. It's confusing. I mean, the team thing is tough to get behind. I understand they're trying to say, you know, you've got a team to root for, but I don't know. I can't figure it out. And that's what he came out and said today is, like, the focal point is still team golf. We think team golf can be successful, and it's not, and it won't be fun to watch. The only team golf that's fun is Ryder Cup, and they don't do that style. I will say this. They should do Ryder Cup or scrambles or things like that.

2:35:20Pat McAfee:Libs should be the state fair of golf for the PGA. That should have been the deal that they made. Like, hey, when the boys want to go scramble or do something like that, they'll do that. But I think it happens in, I guess, business a lot where somebody wants to be the outlaw, you know, the maverick. There has to be, like, a sense of awareness on, like, how far, you know? Because, like, hey, we're doing golf but louder. Everything you don't like about golf, you're going to love about us. Why do they wear pants? Well, maybe because they look like professionals when they're doing it. No, but I wear shorts when I'm golfing with boys.

2:35:53It's like, yeah, but me and you a little bit different. We're not paying to watch you golf with the boys.

2:35:57Pat McAfee:Exactly. The music all over everything. Like, yeah, that's cool. But it's like, how can I take this as a serious thing? Yeah. Beat drop happening in backswing of 17th hole, which is actually the 14th hole. Because you guys did a shotgun. It was just hard to take serious. It felt like I was at a golf outing when I was watching it. It's early. And you can't have an awareness when you're trying to change the game, brother. You have to. You're going to die. You can never change the game. Maybe you have awareness of what's the right thing to do. Look, the league that lasted what? Well, still alive.

2:36:28Yes. As of right now, what? Six years? No, it hasn't. Seven years? Five years? It took the NFL 50 years to profit. Boom. WNBA is just starting to get into the entire process. Yeah, exactly. They're still losing a shit ton of money, and it's year 30. You got to think there is probably someone out there who is thinking, Team Golf does have legs. We can fix this a little bit, make it a little more professional. But still, there is a blueprint here. Like, could you imagine if somehow, some way – AJ's out on Liv. You're out? I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think someone's – maybe they are.

2:37:00Maybe they surprise me. I'm too dumb to understand. But to make this thing profitable, I just think it's a huge risk for somebody or private equity, whoever it could be.

2:37:06Pat McAfee:You got Rombo until 2029. Can we not turn a profit out of just making him a YouTube golfer? John Rombo. Might be the best way to do it. Could you not combine it with TGL and do it that way? And maybe take TGL but do it out on a course. The only edge they have on PGA is their international footprint. when they go to these other countries and places. Adelaide. They look forward to that or the guy or guys that are on tour representing those. So that's the only edge they have on PGA, but you'll never surpass PGA in America. DP World Tour needs to do these. That's where the DP World Tour needs to start just picking up the – DP's huge too.

2:37:44Yeah. What's that? They're huge too.

2:37:46Pat McAfee:That's what I'm saying, but they need to start attacking the – because the international conversation has become the big live one. Like, we go to South Africa, we go to Australia, we bring the game to Asia, whatever, wherever the places are. It's like, why doesn't DP World Tour just pick those places up? I assume it'll go pretty big. DP World Tour has a lot of history, right? Connor said, don't ask me. No, I was looking up. I was looking up. Who's the CEO of BJ?

2:38:10Darius Butler:Brian Rollout. Where did he come from? NFL. I would be surprised if they don't start doing more international. Oh, putting all the lads on one plane. No, I disagree. I think we should shrink the game, but, you know, that's what they'll do. I don't know, though. It's hard to admit. Their schedule's already pretty dead set. When are you going to throw in a national thing where people can actually go? I tend to agree. They're not even playing every single PGA Tour one, let alone if they had to go across the corner. Oh, that's Rory. Rory's kind of doing what he wants to do. Rory's back this week. He's the favorite.

2:38:36Pat McAfee:He's the favorite? Is Sheffler going off it?

2:38:39Darius Butler:No, not this week. It feels like Scott is again. If they go to South Africa, I don't think many of these guys are going. I'll tell you what, maybe we take the sticks out there. Maybe we get after it. You know what I mean? coming out of the pocket. Nelly kind of taught me something yesterday. Coca? Coca. Yep. Coca? Why do you say it like that? Makes sense. It's because AJ can't swing his swing. So he's a little jealous. I swing my swing. I do not overanalyze my swing. I will never do that.

2:39:08Pat McAfee:You swing out of your shoes. She said most amateurs don't know how to aim and they swing out. I don't know if you know. I respect Nelly. She's unbelievable. You got to swing your swing. I've seen Jack Nicklaus. They ask him, what do you tell amateurs? He said, swing harder. You're trying to control it. You don't swing hard enough. I heard that like 15 years ago. I said, that's all I need to hear, Jack. Yeah. I mean, is he a fucking goater or not? I don't know. You tell me. Am I supposed to listen to you over Jack? Okay. Let's go ahead and do that. NHL has a big night tonight. Draft lottery. Let's go, boys.

2:39:37Pat McAfee:Good luck to the Vancouver Canucks who we certainly knew were still a team. The Chicago Blackhawks, New York Rangers, Calgary Flames, and Toronto Maple Leafs round out the top six alongside the Seattle Kraken. and six of the odds to win the draft lottery. Nick, what is this? Who's this? Is Gary Bettman doing a little ball spinny thing? How do we kind of enjoy this tonight?

2:39:58Darius Butler:Yeah, they may have changed it in years past. I don't know if they'll actually show the ball spinny, but you'll get to see a little presentation here. And this will basically be the rights to draft Gavin McKenna. He's presumed and projected to be the number one overall pick. You'll have the Rangers, Blackhawks, Canucks, obviously with the top odds there, or do we see a long shot jump up and make a move? Rangers will get it. It would be good for the league if he went to Chicago or New York. Vancouver would be a similar situation to Connor McDavid. It's way out there. It's West Coast. It's late night.

2:40:27Could be interesting.

2:40:28Pat McAfee:Could you imagine the Florida Panthers getting –

2:40:31Darius Butler:Yeah, don't sleep on the cats stealing this one.

2:40:34Pat McAfee:Definitely. And the Predators too. Let's not talk – maybe Nick Saban gets in here and motivates a lottery ball or two. He's willing to deal it. Yes, he certainly could be. We don't know if the Preds are going to potentially pick up the number one overall pick. We will follow along tonight. No Pittsburgh Penguins on there. Obviously, that's a good thing. Not a bad thing. Yeah, playoff team. If your team's in here, it's ass.

2:40:53Darius Butler:If your team's on the list, you stink. We need to be trading for McDavid today. Okay? You guys are kind of like Steelers, right? Purgatory, huh? Awesome, man. So, I just saw a stat, actually. It was a pretty funny little stat about sports cities

2:41:11Pat McAfee:that haven't experienced a playoff or a series win in how many days. Who's number one? So since Detroit got the job done up there, I do believe Pittsburgh is the most 2 ,930 days. Holy shit. That can't be right.

2:41:26Darius Butler:Did you guys forget about the Riverhounds winning that title?

2:41:29Pat McAfee:I think they're talking about Major League. Look who's back on top again. The Pittsburgh.

2:41:36Darius Butler:Everything is coming up aces for us lately.

2:41:39Pat McAfee:Pens, I don't know what the team looks like next year. That's blouses. Pirates potentially could win a wild card series here. Oh, yeah. Could potentially do it.

2:41:48Darius Butler:The World Series.

2:41:49Pat McAfee:Pittsburgh Steelers, they don't know who their quarterback is, but I believe in Mike McCarthy. Now, the DraftKings account here put Aaron Rodgers down there, so maybe they know something that we don't know at this exact moment. But I do appreciate the fact that Atlanta's in the middle of the struggle alongside Phoenix and Tampa Bay. Aaron Rodgers potentially going to change both of those, two of those four times with the new leaks today. AJ, your thoughts on Pittsburgh having now? Because draft was a home run. Obviously, it's Pittsburgh time. It's been a while. It's been a while. It has been a while.

2:42:20I mean, so honestly, what's going to happen with Sid and the boys? Are they going to run it back? Are we going to get to see him again?

2:42:25Pat McAfee:Run it back. I would like them to run it back with Connor McDavid on team.

2:42:29Darius Butler:Plus, Big Mike McCarthy is going to save Sid.

2:42:30Pat McAfee:Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah, Big Mike McCarthy actually might be under center for fucking fourth quarter of the – He can sling it now. I've seen Mike throw it and walk through it. He can sling it. I agree. I understand. He's from Pittsburgh. Of course he can throw a football. He's a quarterback whisperer. Didn't he play at Notre Dame? Foreback? I think he was on that team. He was a tight end. He was a tight end in college. He was a tight end in college? Baker College, I believe. Something like that. Yeah. Good school. Baker was his team. Absolute savage, for sure. Cheap shot and taking guys' knees out, giving concussions left and right.

2:43:00Yeah, Baker. Baker College. I assume he was coming in late. What the heck? How many times he speared guys? Look at that. I mean, that guy's playing no games. He's like 14 years old in that picture. Big 8-8.

2:43:11Pat McAfee:Now, can we get a Bill Kier photo from whenever he was wearing the neck-collar down there at Crafting? What an animal.

2:43:18Darius Butler:Or NC State. Mike McCarthy, Bill Kier. In their prime bull ages. Baker College, NC State, NFL career. Mike McCarthy, quarterback whisperer. Having him kind of go head-to-head. Who do you like? Jeez. Oh, that's awesome. Bill Kier. Imagine him just bullying that entire Caliguire family. I can't. I can see that. With that 5-4 on. Dude, he was so good on the show. The man. Off the show. The best. He looks identical to MCDC right there. You wish, pal. You fucking wish. Be your friend. Tell a friend something nice.

2:44:02Pat McAfee:It might change your life. We're in this thing together. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Team on me. Let's enjoy tonight. we got NBA playoffs. We got NHL playoffs. We got NHL draft lottery. We got MLB Dong Bonanza.

2:44:13Darius Butler:Bingo. And if you're Aaron, you're with your wife, you know what you're doing. Dong Bonanza. Maybe you guys should enjoy a couple of that. Okay, do what you gotta do to enjoy your life. We are so thankful that we get to do this for a living. We appreciate you. We thank you. Cheers to you.

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