PMS 2.0 1557 - Adam Schefter, Shams Charania, Quentin Richardson, Jordan Agbanoma Makes His College Commitment, Erik Johnson, Brandt Snedeker, & AJ Hawk

21:07Pat McAfee:If they did, then the entire sentence would be... Can you explain how we got to this? Did the chiefs know that he was going to be doing 30 days in jail? Did we know this? How long did he know that it was going to be happening? Because you reported that he got surgery just a week before or within the last couple weeks, a cleanup of a knee, which you would certainly not want to be in jail for 30 days while fresh out of a surgery, it seems like. Can you kind of clarify all this for us, Schefter, as we look at a situation that I don't think we've seen in a long time, right? This is certainly, okay, sorry, go ahead.

21:38There are a few different sides to this, and we'll present some of what we were told yesterday. But basically, as it was explained to me yesterday, Obviously, he did not know that he was going to be going to jail for 30 days here. If he did, there's no way that he would have had the knee surgery that he did last week so that he'll be in jail in a Dallas County jail, which he now is. He's currently in a jail cell in Dallas County jail, coming off the knee surgery he had last week that will sideline him two months. Now, that's two months normally with the attention and care and rehab that you're going to get.

22:19I don't know how this works where you undergo knee surgery and then you're in jail. Now, there was some sort of violation of his probation that had to have occurred recently, or at least the judge found out about it and ruled on it and ordered him to serve his 30-day sentence in jail now. So he has been sentenced to jail for 30 days here as part of the situation connected to the car crash that he was involved in where people were injured. We remember that incident a couple of off seasons ago. It was supposed to be a five year probationary period. The judge involved, who I understand is retiring here, he's an outgoing judge.

23:05And somehow Rasheed Rice was ordered to serve the 30 day sentence now for a violation to his probation, which we assume was some sort of positive test for marijuana.

23:18Pat McAfee:Okay, so we're not 100 % sure what the violation was, but it has been alluded to that it was a failed substance abuse test for your probation, which prohibits that. Also, your profession, but obviously, I mean, he would be... Was there any alcohol involved in that arrest or drugs involved in that arrest? So is he in the NFL's program? I wonder if he's in the NFL's program. Oh, I think he is. I think what's going to happen here, unconfirmed, is now he'll be re-entered into the NFL's drug program. But, again, you remember in the last CBA, there are no suspensions, discipline for marijuana. But you can be entered into the program and subject to other tests.

24:10Pat McAfee:Oh, yeah. The program is the worst. As somebody that did 27 months in the program, okay, it is very, very restrictive, I will say. But once again, lucky to do it. Lucky to have a job in the NFL. Understand that it was me that put myself in this situation. Probably saved my life. 27 months, a little bit of overkill. Sure. Okay, we didn't need to do two years, three months. I thought that was a little bit too long. But you're getting tested eight times a month. I had to call the NFL a certain line and report where I was every time I left my home address. I had to give them two phone numbers they could reach me at.

24:45Pat McAfee:I had a PO for sure. It was the NFL. And I was getting tested at 4 a.m. in Georgia after I won Bigfoot hunting out in the woods. I was getting tested at 6.30 a.m. in Vegas. I was getting tested in Pittsburgh. I mean, I was 200 and some tests, 27 months. Damn. Clean. Because if you don't, guess what? You're in that thing. Reset. Forever. And that's what they're trying to do. once you get in there they're trying to keep you in there forever that's kind of the game that's how i had to frame it so i was going to beat these people is how i because they wanted to keep me in there now that led me down some dangerous roads i think you know that was when like the spice conversations were happening and stuff like that because it won't show up as like i can't be doing is this what my life is no way bigfoot dangerous bigfoot hunting yeah crocodile hunting ghost hunting i did all these things to try to figure out what life was without you know smoking or boozing while every one of my friends was doing just that so it was uh certainly a time in my life and we hope that Rasheed Rice okay figures it out okay he might be watching this right now we've been told from numerous people that have been in jail that they do run ESPN in jail so there's a chance that Rasheed Rice is watching this right now from a jail cell missing out on rehab on his knee he might potentially alter his entire career and net worth because of this stupid shit okay Rasheed let's go bud hey I think that's what everybody needs to say go ahead Ty and I talked about this this morning right here's a guy when we see wide receiver salaries exploding across the league, and he's just about as good as any receiver in the league, and he's entering the last year of his contract, if we just took away all the off-the-field incidents, all the mishigoths that comes along with it, then you'd be talking about a player right now who would be getting an extension this offseason at somewhere between$35 and$40 million, I guess.

26:34And so now, instead of getting that extension, which isn't going to be coming anytime soon, he's going to be now in a jail cell, rehabbing an injury, going into the last year of his contract without a new deal on the horizon. And it's really unfortunate. It's all there for him. Yeah, it's a sad story.

26:56Pat McAfee:It's a sad situation. it's like hey obviously you've put this upon yourself and everything but hopefully able to figure it out move forward and then just from the football standpoint looking at the Chiefs I mean he's going to be another month behind on recovery yeah okay because there's no way they were able to put together a prison plan for coming out of the probably not I don't know if they're going to be able to get what's up doggy what's up doggy just stopped by good to see a dog popping into Schefter's so let's assume there's a chance they're gonna have to clean that up again okay because that was a cleanup surgery which means they wanted to eliminate some stiffness probably some scar tissue stuff whatever the case is there was some loose stuff they're probably if you don't rehab that fully you might have to refix that again so let's just assume that's going to set them back again man it was loose cartilage it was a debridement and obviously you wouldn't have done when you did if you were going to jail the next week for 30 days all right well hopefully rashie figures it out maybe come on rashie here you go rashie come on rashie yeah maybe there's physical therapists in there maybe and they just run through it lucky they do the towels or the sheets for that because there's a lot of band work on the knee you know to build full flexibility and strengthen the quad because you're gonna activate the quad anytime the knee goes probably because the quad goes but there's also you know inside with the drop and the outside so you gotta do this number and this number and this number and then we're gonna rub that thing down so you don't have any scar tissue it's gonna be the most painful thing about that it's chief's a holic might be in there and say, don't you worry.

28:23Pat McAfee:Is Chiefs Hawk in Dallas? He's all over. Multiple states. I believe he's in a maximum security facility as well. I don't know if we're sheet-rises. Let's move off of this particular subject and let's move to Nashville, Tennessee. Hosting a Super Bowl, this is a big deal. Obviously, it could be cold. We chit-chatted about that, but now all of a sudden there's this conversation about hotel rooms. Nashville has been a destination city for as long as that I've known it. People travel in there for bachelor, bachelorette parties, birthday parties, just good time because everything there seemingly has live music that's at the top of the class.

28:57Pat McAfee:And then bars that are very open and a hospitable group of people that are welcoming you into a city of good time. So I think there'll be a great host for the Super Bowl. What is the hotel room? We looked this up. When the Colts got the Super Bowl, they had to build multiple hotels here in Indiana. Yes. We are a hosting city, but the JW Marriott one up, we looked it up. they probably have like 400 to 700 hotel rooms they have a thousand 400 to 700 is what is considered a large hotel okay so a thousand hotel rooms that jw marriott put in so we there was a reason that that had a thousand rooms because of the super bowl implications what does nashville need to do how quickly do they need to do that and uh is this going to become in part of the rotation like jim nance who i did not know lives in nashville uh spoke about saying that he expects nashville to become a rotational super bowl city because of how great they are at hosting things which I would like to say every time they've hosted me, I've had a great time.

29:50Pat McAfee:Me too. I don't know about events, but every time I've been there, it's been a blast. Go ahead, Shefty. Well, Pat, you are a force, no doubt, but hosting you and hosting a Superbowl with all the people that come along with it is, is a different experience. And there's just a lot more of me. Sure. That's why everybody's having their own experience, you know, and as long as there's a hotel room for me to sleep in, I think is, that's what everybody's saying. We're going to be a okay, but that is the big question, right? How many do you need for the Super Bowl and for the NFL to feel comfortable? Well, we did the draft there, and the draft went off without a hitch.

30:24And I think that was an event that helped put Nashville on the map with the NFL and helped the draft turn into what it is today and helped lead to the Super Bowl coming back to Nashville one day. Obviously, the new stadium really does the trick because if you build it, they will come, and that's what the NFL is doing right now. Now, I was in Nashville a few weeks ago, and it feels like there are a whole lot of other added new hotels there right now. They've added on, I would imagine, there'll be more built by the time the Super Bowl comes there. And they feel like they have the necessary space to get this done.

31:02Otherwise, the league wouldn't have done it. So Nashville's going to pull it off. That city has grown so much and added so much. And so it's going to house the Super Bowl in 2030. regular rotation. That's interesting. That I haven't heard.

31:17Pat McAfee:Jim Nance was pushing it as a citizen of Nashville. I think he was speaking for the city, I believe is what he was saying. If it goes off great, then obviously I think it'll be discussed. There's going to be a lot of people that are going to want in the Super Bowl game. We talked about Washington getting a new stadium. I think once Washington gets a new stadium, I would bet Washington gets a Super Bowl one day. Jim Nance, co-chair of the Super Bowl committee. Oh, okay, Jim. There you go. Right guy to put in there. For sure. Yeah, right guy to put in there. Obviously, it worked. And the city of Nashville is phenomenal.

31:49Pat McAfee:So I assume it's going to go off without a hitch again. And I assume it is going to steal the show. Because so many of these suits probably that have never been into country music or whatever are going to travel down there for the first time. And they're going to walk down Broadway. The next Riley Green's in there, they said. It's unbelievable. Darius Rucker's performing on a balcony. Oh, yeah. It's like the amount of Blake Schulte will be on top of it. Is that a chair? Holy shit. Is Adele performing? Yeah, at a bar right over here. It's like, what is this? You walk in there. All the bartenders understand what's going on here.

32:21Pat McAfee:You guys trying to have, we having a good time here? Yeah. Okay, let's go ahead and do this. Celebration everywhere. And then, oh, this place isn't good. Next door. Yeah, we're all heading right here next door. And it's six floors tall. Go to the fourth floor. That'll be the speakeasy floor. He's in the back room. Then go up on top, foam party. Okay, so the top floor is a foam party. Speakeasy is this one. Third floor, sports bar. They got a Cosm thing in the back. You're going to love it. And then the second floor, just kind of honky-tonk, you know, just kind of get in there and have fun. Go ahead and climb.

32:49Pat McAfee:That's what Nashville is. It is outrageous how good of a time it is. It's only a matter of time right before it. Can it continue to be all – how much more – Everything reaches a certain point. You would think that it can continue, though. But at least got to be 100 years of that, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's kind of happening with Vegas right now. That was Vegas for the longest time, and then now it's kind of like they're having a tough time getting people out there, and I think people are kind of going to Nashville for that Vegas-type thing. But they're in the early stages of that. So, yeah, they probably do have a nice little shelf life here for the next several years, maybe even decades.

33:24Pat McAfee:Congratulations to Nashville. And we can't wait to get down there for that Super Bowl. But that radio row is going to be outrageous. Nuts. Yeah, it's going to be – Can't stress enough how awesome the draft was down there. The other cities have been great, but Nashville's setup was by far the best one. I agree. I agree completely. Okay, last question before I let you get out of here, Schefter. Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Schefter, with Kansas City maybe looking for wide receivers and some other teams, Washington, I've seen some Ravens stuff. Where can we expect some of these guys to sign? Tyree Kill, Stephon Diggs, Keenan Allen, D-Hop, D-Bow.

33:57When should we expect this, and where should we expect the teams to be interested in? A lot of wide receivers sitting out there right now. A lot of wide receivers looking for a new home. Oh, who's that? We got PUA. Yeah, that's it. By the way, I got the person calling me. Can you see me now? I can't see you. Can you see me right now?

34:19Pat McAfee:No, you're paused. It's paused screen. You got to get back into it. There you are. There it is. Good work.

34:27Pat McAfee:That's what you said there about that person. It was pretty fantastic. Feels like it is somebody of importance, but they can't wait a little bit. If it was somebody of super-duper importance at the exact moment, you would certainly have walked away because you already had an out because we couldn't see you. Oh, you will. Wide receivers, though. Wide receivers, though, in this market. There's a lot of big household names available and seemingly conversations about places that are looking for a wideout, including Kansas City now, obviously. Yeah, and I think some of these players, they'll be able to handpick their opportunities right before training camp or maybe they wait a week or two into camp and wait to see if there's an injury.

35:01A lot of these guys haven't gotten the prices they wanted to tie. Tyree Kill is an injury situation where he may not be ready until midway through the season. That may be a down-the-line thing. But at some point in time, if and when the money's right for any of these players, then they step in at that point in time. But it hasn't happened yet. And there are certainly a lot of options out there at that receiver position right now for teams that are in the market. I don't know how many teams are in the market for a wide receiver right now. I guess the Chiefs may be looking to add one. maybe. June 1st, we'll bring about the A.J.

35:33Brown trade. You see the list of the other guys. Brandon Ayuk. I don't know. That's an interesting one. DeAndre Hopkins still out there. Ibo Samuel, I would think, be able to make some plays for a team, but these guys have been unbelievable in the league for a long time.

35:51Pat McAfee:Shots asleep a cold saying, maybe, you know, we lost Pippen. Why don't we think about bringing in another one, especially with Alec Pierce having a surgery and two months behind, but Alec Pierce will be back healthy speaking of being back lamar jackson not uh first day of otas story worthy how about herbert is he also not at otas but we saw him in the building in april i think we saw lamar in the building as well in baltimore but i guess not at a certain event like how should we judge these because i former player uh guys miss voluntary otas all the time back in the day for certain things especially ogs if we had a maybe a charity event had to happen or maybe family had something going on they've been around the league for a long time it's voluntary for a reason okay this is voluntary for a reason young guys back half of the roster you are welcome this is your time to kind of earn your spot in the building you should be here but there's always been like ogs that have missed some days now peyton manning was there throughout the entirety of it but he might have missed a couple things here or there same thing with like dallas and gary all the guys but they were always there i've heard some other places the the vets weren't even there until like a certain time where they all decided to go that's kind of all evolved now that we see how much money they all make and everything is content worthy and we see where everybody's at all the time do you think more attention to this conversation has changed the way teams treat it or players treat it and what should we make a big deal out of it because back in the day none of this shit would have been a big deal if he never came that'd be a problem but the voluntary part of it was always kind of like hey let's remember this shit is voluntary right now especially for the ogs well that that's the whole thing is that there have been plenty of instances where players didn't show up at certain points it never got the attention but in the league itself right now everything becomes headline worthy.

37:27And Lamar Jackson was in all the workouts before this, so he's not at the OTAs that started, but he was going through the offseason workout program, which he hadn't done before. So that's a big deal. Now, if he stays away the entire offseason program, he's away during OTAs, which he hadn't been. He'd already been in attendance way more than he had been in any other offseason. So maybe he just feels like, okay, I picked up what I feel like I need to pick up, and Declan Doyle is a new offense that's being installed and implemented here. He feels good. Maybe he's got something going on. Who knows?

38:00Like, I'm not too worried about Lamar Jackson missing, especially considering how much he's been there this offseason.

38:05Pat McAfee:Okay, how about for the Chargers? We've seen Herbert in the building. Obviously, he lives in L.A. I think every single thing he does, every meal he has, every show he watches is documented. Now, at this point, congrats to him. He looks super handsome. Is there anything going on with him, or why was his name floating on the internet? I would think the same type of situation, where he's not there for something. Like, Justin Herbert's a worker bee. Like that guy's going to be there at most everything. If he's not there for an extended period, okay, then we'd ask the question. But, you know, I haven't taken daily attendance of Justin Herbert to figure out why he's not there today.

38:36You know, whether he's got a hold, whether he's got another obligation, whatever it may be. Whether he's got a date, a big date, who knows?

38:42Pat McAfee:Well, we'll find that out for sure. It feels like every time they do that, we learn him. And I'm happy as hell for him, by the way. I couldn't fathom what he is like in those settings. I bet it's fantastic. I saw him in the music video. Yeah, the music video. I saw him in the music video. He looks so good. I thought he hated the camera. he's in love get off this guy's back but I am happy that we just got done doing a segment that basically says hey this is voluntary let's remember that there's shit going on in people's lives this is how this is yeah yeah I agree alright sweet appreciate the hell out of you Sheffield good luck over there go Pacers yeah there you go by the way while I was on the phone here the thunder texted me what do we got Pacers on we need thunder stuff so they're going to be sending me stuff so I'll wear thunder the next time I'm on here hey why don't you tell the thunder why don't they worry about wimby tonight okay they don't need to be worrying about wearing pacer stuff on the show you're the best ladies and gentlemen adam schefter all right it's a good uh pivot actually ladies and gentlemen it's time to move to the association the national basketball association but before we do let's get a quick bite of some info it's time for a drive-by.

39:49Sean's drive-by, just need a high-five. What's going on in hoops, we don't need a deep dive. Sean's drive-by, just need a high-five. What's going on in hoops, we don't need a deep dive.

40:04Pat McAfee:That's right, ladies and gentlemen, Sean's drive-by. We were watching you dance on the back. Pretty good little bob. Pretty good little bob for the kid. A little bit of bounce there. Okay, let's get into it. Jason Kidd's fired. Okay, that comes out of nowhere. Then people start putting out his record even before the Luka trade, post-Luka trade, how the team has been. And it seems like all the stats that people are shoving into my algorithm warrant or justify a firing. Why do we think this happened? Did we know this was happening? This feels out of the middle of nowhere, Sham Sharanya. Yeah, so Pat, you have to look at the leadership that's now coming in.

40:39Masai Ujiri, he was a long time, 12 years he spent in Toronto as a vice chairman there. Now he gets the president job, the alternate governor job in Dallas, and he has full authority to do whatever he wants with the direction of this team. And so in the last seven months, you trade Anthony Davis, you fire Nico Harrison, and now you fire Jason Kidd. And when I talk to people around that organization in the last 24 hours, you think about the residue that's all come from the trade of Luka Doncic, right? And everything that's come out of that, and you've had an owner there in Patrick Dumont who's admitted that he made a mistake, that he made a mistake by greenlighting that trade.

41:23And so how involved was Jason Kidd? He wasn't making the trade, but Mavs sources do believe that he had a level of support for that trade. So Masai Ujiri comes in, and I think for him, it's a complete restart, a clean slate, a fresh start for the entire organization. they've already fired Nico Harrison now you fire Jason Kidd Anthony Davis is already gone you traded him basically for salaries and a few draft picks you still have Kyrie Irving on this team who you feel like has a future with Cooper Flagg everything around this organization that's the one element of the team that's not going to change it's Cooper Flagg but for them to move off of Jason Kidd right now they're eating four years and almost 45 million dollars to get off of Jason Kidd and essentially wash their hands of the situation.

42:13And this is all because team leadership wants a clean start.

42:18Pat McAfee:Masai Ujiri came into the building. You, Luka trade. Like it? Don't like it? I thought we had to do it at the time. Sick. All right. Ram the fuck down. All right. Thanks. You were a part of the Luka trade, right? If I do recall, you were the big name that came over? Yeah. All right. I'm going to do that. You made the trade, right? Yeah. All right. All right. You were fucking fired first. Okay. I'm going to let you know that right now. You definitely, you're out of here first. This is the dumbest. You see what he's doing over there. He's in shape, dude. He's older. He's mature. He's fucking, what do you think was going to happen?

42:52Pat McAfee:You, you are, every time I look at you, the only reason why you're here is because we traded Luca. So we're going to get you the hell out of here for sure. And I heard you, coach, you were kind of saying you thought it was because of you, not because of Luca. Get your ass out of here as well. That is kind of what this is, right? This is Cooper Flagg's team. We are going to eliminate the thought that Mark Cuban's the owner, that Luka was here, that we traded his ass away. We are going to – this is Cooper Flagg. The main event is who we would like to be. Is that kind of what this is from your standpoint?

43:22I mean, forget anyone involved with just the Luka Doncic trade. We've seen Patrick Dumont, the owner, essentially flush away anyone that was even around the Mark Cuban regime, right? Nico Harrison, Jason Kidd, they were all brought in by Mark Cuban. Luka Doncic, a Mark Cuban guy. The only Mark Cuban guy left on that team right now is Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is a generational player, generational talent. Masai Ujiri did his press conference today, and he said, we want to see Kyrie Irving and Cooper Flagg on the court together. But there's no question. There's multiple contenders around the NBA that are very much monitoring what Kyrie Irving's future is right now with the Mavericks, whether it's this summer, whether it's into the season.

44:03But that's all going to play out over the course of the year. There's no question, Jason Kidd, anyone else in that organization, where they were at with the Luka Doncic of it all, maybe that didn't play a factor in people's firings. But certainly from an informational perspective or a position of like, that's good background context. There's an investigation to an extent that you have to do when you come into an organization. So there's that, there's the infighting that's been going on internally there. There's been so much toxicity around that organization that now Masai Ujiri is inheriting.

44:36Pat McAfee:It's crazy that the worst trade in history is a problem in the building. It has lingering effects. A lot of people probably love Luca in that building. Oh, yeah. So then when it doesn't work out, the amount of I told you so's and then the amount of like, no, we had to do it at the time. You're not an adult. The grandstanding that could take place. And Masai Ujiri said the reason why Kyrie Irving is still around. This is via Abby Jones at underscore Abigail. Nice. Messiah Jury said, Kevin Durant once told me that there's only one Kyrie Irving walking around the world. Okay, so you don't move on from one of those.

45:09Pat McAfee:Okay, this guy's an actual witch with a basketball. And you've been watching his live streams. He's back. It appears as if he is. It looks good. Him and Cooper. Okay, that could be sweet. Duke Brotherhood. We just got to hope that the Mavericks fans welcome the brand new era. I feel like they probably will, but there's probably a lot of healing that has to kind of take place. Okay, let's talk about tonight, obviously, huge things. It's where the Mavericks are trying to get to. Darren Fox, obviously, massive story of game one. Anything else we need to keep track of as we look to this evening, Shams?

45:39Darren Fox, definitely a game-time decision. I'm told he has a high ankle sprain, and that's something he suffered in the Minnesota Timberwolves series. He basically played through it, but it's stiffened up. It's added swelling in the last several days, and so he missed game one. And that was essentially a game time decision. He ends up missing that game. They're going to take it closer to game time again today. But the team is letting De 'Aaron Fox make this decision. He's going to test it out throughout the day, get treatment, be a shoot-around that's going on right now, and then pregame test it out.

46:11But you win game one, so I do wonder internally with the Spurs. Yeah, they're probably going to want him to see, can he play? But how much consideration do you have to do? How much caution are you going to have given that you just won that game one? But this is, of course, a must-win type of environment for Oklahoma City. I'm very curious to see how Chet Holmgren comes out against Victor Omanyama on defense. He was a guy that was one of the top three guys in Defensive Player of the Year voting. So Chet Holmgren, Shea Gilson-Alexander, J-Dub, a lot to prove tonight.

46:38Pat McAfee:Okay, so any other news that we need to think of? Is there any other injuries before we make any picks? Oklahoma City favored by 6.5 yet again. A lot. No injuries on the Oklahoma City side. J-Dub came back in Game 1. He's been full throttle. San Antonio just has the De 'Aaron Fox situation. I thought I was going to get injured last night at Madison Square Garden. Literally, the way that arena was trembling, I kid you not, it's like an earthquake. When Jalen Brunson's making those banking shots, it's like a four-point game. Then it's a two-point game, a three-point game. The building was literally shaking.

47:11Thankfully, I'm good. Okay, we're proud of you.

47:14Pat McAfee:Way to battle through an electric environment. Hope that continues to happen. And shout out to Madison Square Garden, still bringing it. All right, we appreciate the hell out of you, Shams. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Shams Roy. Yeah, Shams. Joining us now, 13-year NBA vet, friend of the program, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, ladies and gentlemen, Q Rich. Yeah, Q Rich. What's up, Wash Dad? What's good? What's good? What's up? I don't think you're Wash. You could still probably do it if you had to do it. I appreciate the incredible merch, though. We'd love one of their shirts if we could get them.

47:43Pat McAfee:We've been doing that on the show lately. Hey, man, I shout out to my folks, man, my people over there at Wash Dad. man. Take care of the patting the boys up there, man. They are fans. They do. Throw it on and put it up there. They're good folks over here. Watch this. Okay, sick. Large uh... Okay, we'll get the sizes. Okay, let's talk. Speaking of sizes, let's talk about tonight. The size of two of the main events here, Chet and Wemby, are obviously massive topic of discussion. We just heard Shamsay as almost like a news break. I'll be excited to see what Chet does defensively against Wemby. We've been talking a lot about that because those two look very similar.

48:17Pat McAfee:How do you expect Oklahoma City to respond to what Wemby did in game one? And how do you think they're going to try to stop what this special, I mean, unique alien is doing right now in the biggest stages? Yeah, man. Wemby's unbelievable. That game the other night, this shot he showed, everything he did the other night was incredible. Now, what the Thunder have to do, they have to respond. And like it's been talked about a lot, if I'm Chet, as a player, as a man, I gotta stand up and say, Coach, I want that matchup, regardless of whatever is being suggested. You saw they threw several different bodies at him, Jalen Williams, Caruso, Lou Dort.

49:01Chet Holmgren is the one that everybody wants to see that we should see facing him. To me, that's the best matchup for Wimby. The likeness and size and body shape and body structure. Why wouldn't we?

49:13Pat McAfee:Why wouldn't he? I've been so confused all week. We've been talking about it and people are like, you know, Caruso, probably the right guy for that matchup. It's like, how I don't know basketball well enough. Why would he not be guarding him? They just think he's better on like the second best player so they can kind of eliminate him and then double Wimby? Like, what is the thought? I'm not sure what the thinking is behind it. Maybe they think they can bother him with smaller guys or whatever because he's not as strong and he's not going to, you know, like back you down like a Shaq would in the post or something.

49:42But to me, if I'm Wimby, I mean, not Wimby, if I'm Chet in that situation and I'm in the locker room while this is being said to the team, like, hey, this is what we're going to, I have to stand up and say something and say, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute, Coach, like me and this dude got history. I want this matchup. Now, ultimately, the coach is going to have the last say, but I would at least have to speak up and let it be known that I would like this matchup, and I want to take that challenge on.

50:08Pat McAfee:It's crazy that it didn't happen, but we assume that Chet has heard it, and we assume he'll answer. This Oklahoma City team is unbelievable and obviously they could have won game one what would the conversation be if that was the case instead now we're talking about wendy maybe never losing a basketball game game again let's talk about sga in oklahoma city he gets doubled immediately upon uh breaking half court that happens to him i guess on a very regular basis that means somebody's going to be left open because it's just a math game caruso hit last time how do you think sga responds what do you think Oklahoma City's about to face and how do we watch them bounce back like I assume they're going to do because they haven't lost two in a row probably years maybe yeah I have no idea when the last time they did that yeah I expect SGA to do pretty much what he did last guy I mean he's all he said that all year longer in the last couple years that he really reads the game and watches and sees what he needs to do and where he gets it where he can fit in but I'm impressed by his poise and not forcing anything.

51:09I do expect him to be a little more aggressive tonight trying to find more chances to go one-on-one and do his thing because they need him to score more. I still expect him to kind of start out just letting the game flow. If his teammates are the open guys, using those guys. I don't know if it'll be Caruso or who it'll be to get the open shots this time and knock them down or not knock them down. I think, to a certain extent, that's how SGA is wired. He doesn't really force the issue. You saw when he stopped, when he broke the 20-point streak, he didn't do anything extra or go crazy to try and get the points.

51:46He kind of just lets the game dictate itself. But I do expect him to have some level of aggression that is more than last game.

51:53Pat McAfee:So he's pure point guard at his soul. But boy, he can get buckets. Yeah. Pure hooper. Pure hooper. He's going to make the right decision seemingly every time. That is kind of what Chris Paul talked about whenever he was on the other day. He was like, Shea made every right decision. Like, he's a quarterback out there. He made every right decision. And CP3 said the same thing you said there. It's like, would like him maybe to start, you know, calling his own number a little bit more maybe. But that's – as a point guard, I feel like he feels like if there's a guy wide-ass open, it is my job to get the ball to the guy that is wide-ass open.

52:25Pat McAfee:That's a better shot than whatever I'm about to do. But I think SGA forgets that, like, hey, whatever you're about to do, the hoop's big. Yeah. You know, whatever you're about to do, the hoop's big. Can't wait to watch that battle tonight. Last night was epic. Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, Q, obviously the story of the night was the comeback, but what led to the comeback? We put together a highlight reel or maybe a low light reel. It depends on what team you're rooting for. Just James Harden getting ISO'd a thousand times with Jalen Brunson. What were your thoughts on the fourth quarter and the Cavs' defensive plan and kind of what Brunson did to go off?

53:01So a couple things. Like, first, like, number one, if I'm James Harden, and I want to say this by start off saying this by, like, I got crazy respect for James Harden and his game and, you know, everything he's done and what he means to the game. But in a situation like this, I mean, it's tape of me guarding different people, Kobe, whoever it may be. If somebody started tuning you up like this, you got to give them a shot. Like, obviously, in this era, you can't do nothing too crazy. you might get you know technical or thrown out you don't want to do nothing like that but when somebody is just lining you up seeking you out every time every time and they've scored this many points in a row at some point i don't care i'm just gonna hit you i'm going to just foul you and let you know that you're pissing me off and that it might go further if you continue just to try to do anything because nothing clearly he couldn't guard him he couldn't guard him and they continue to go to it and exploit it that's the first thing but secondly from the team and the coaching standpoint if the coach ain't gonna switch it as a teammate somebody gotta step in and say yo nah let me get him like this is like what are we doing here somebody it was a failure on all different sides for for the coach to change the matchup a player a teammate to step in and say i somebody we need to do something or for even hard to say himself you don't want to concede but at some point we want to win the game coach atkinson said that harden's one of his best

54:27Pat McAfee:defenders after the game and all i all my algo was feeding me was that he was taking the worst defender in history of basketball so i was just so there was such a juxtaposition in it all but like the knicks just getting that hot that quickly in the way you were saying it jalen brunson just saying in the huddle i think there is a moment where he starts talking by the way hey get me on hard and maybe that's what he's saying you know we will run on a 40 to 11 run or whatever the case was insane fourth quarter absolutely epic start to the nba playoffs thus far why is atkinson saying that about james he's just trying to gas him up try to keep him motivated because he understands james can hear all this and can james respond to this in a big way like he did in the previous series absolutely i think i think he absolutely said that to you know support his guy and to stay behind him and, you know, show him support.

55:17But, yeah, I think, I mean, to me, Harden can definitely bounce back. I was surprised at this game. I felt like going into the game, I was looking at his numbers, like historically against the Knicks. He plays well in the garden against the Knicks in general. He has a winning record against them. I felt like it boded well for him in this series. But, obviously, he didn't play as well as, you know, anybody would have liked him to. And then the defensive part of it is, you know, that's all that everybody's talking about. So that's a tough one. I will say this, though. They were probably, the Knicks got down to, when they cut it down to like, it was either 16 or 15 or 13 or something like that.

55:57And I tweeted. I said, they got a shot right here. I said, they can make the push and do a couple more. Like, cause in this NBA, the three-pointer is such an equalizer that 20 points is no longer like this, you know, unfathomable thing to come back from like it used to be. And so once they got it to 15 and the crowd started to get a little more into it and you saw Brunson start to come alive. And I was like, if he score again, like they need to double immediately the same way that people are doing SGA. They got to run two guys at them immediately and just get them off the ball and see what anybody else could do.

56:31but they let it get too far and too far. And then once they got on the test, okay, we got a game. And then you could see the change in Cleveland. They played timid after that. It was like they tried to get the air out of the ball and run the clock. And then it was like once it turned up, it felt like they played timid to me.

56:48Pat McAfee:And all we are is one eighth of an inch away from the Merrill three for them winning. Crazy night. You're the best. Basketball's killing it. We appreciate you. You're not a washout. That's Q Rich. Thank you, Rich. We're back on the other side. See you then. Goodbye.

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58:18Pat McAfee:Sports are the greatest. We're so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about them. The Western Conference Finals battle tonight both in hockey and in the NBA. Last night an instant classic took place in Madison Square Garden for the Eastern Conference NBA. Round one. I mean we are in the middle of champions trying to find their way to their trophies. The Toxic Tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer. Down. Cowboys AP Tone is here. It's not just the playoffs. Football is delivering. There's a guy in jail right now. Yeah. That's crazy. OTAs are happening. We're getting some highlights.

58:50Pat McAfee:That's cool. A lot of teams having a lot of guys show up. New cultures are being set. New precedents are being set for teams. Quarterbacks, new faces, new places. Great news out of some camps. What's that? Not some. I mean, the word on the street is if you thought Drake Mayer was good last year, just wait. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from an attic in Ohio, is a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawke. Yeah. Hawke. Hawke, good news. coming out of New England, it sounds like, for Drake May. I did actually hear that.

59:19We hear all great things coming out of New England. So, yeah, it's going to be another Super Bowl year, right, Countman? Don't be a dickhead, okay? We're talking about Drake May. Good things coming out of camp about Drake May. Okay, asshole. Easily.

59:31Pat McAfee:But right now, it is a very positive time for all teams. You know, some teams are kind of set in their roster because they don't have a lot of money. Some teams still have a lot of money and can figure it out after the OTAs what they might need before they head into training camp at the end of the summer. But I think right now, most optimistic time for most teams. We're seeing highlights come out from social media teams. We're watching people dance. We're seeing good coaching happening. We're seeing celebrations. We're seeing highlights. I saw Carson Beck put one in an absolute bucket. It's like right now is all good times, I think, and when you're building up the belief in your team potentially being able to win it all.

1:00:03Pat McAfee:Josh Allen's already got handshakes for everybody. Keon Coleman right there has come out. Hey, it's a make or break year for Keon Coleman. Joe Brady loves Keon Coleman. And it's like right now feels like all positive, which I absolutely love, AJ. Yeah, it is. And this is a time in the NFL where you like it really is a great time for players. If you think about to build your culture, because you have this on the field stuff. Yes. But you're only at the facility, what, four or six hours a day. This is the time when you go and you work on the field. Then you get to actually hang out off the field and go play golf, go do whatever it is.

1:00:32So this is a key time, I think, for teams like to build those relationships.

1:00:36Pat McAfee:Truly beers with the lads on the golf course. Oh, yeah. And say your team goes Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, which they don't do anymore. A lot of times that Tuesday night you all go out and hang out. Oh, yeah, just great times. Card games happening all the time. Oh, my God. It's good old days. There's only one team that really has a tough clip. I don't know if you saw it, but there was a Tua overthrow and a Penix. That was the clip I saw. Yeah, I believe. Who pulled out, the news or social media? I think it was the news. I don't think it was social. Back to back seam routes. and they didn't hit.

1:01:10Yeah, one was high, one was low, and people were like, you've got to be kidding me.

1:01:14Pat McAfee:Yeah, well, I mean, who would have guessed? Let's go to Miami Dolphin fan, Bubba Gumpino. Could you have guessed that coming out of Falcons camp? Yeah, I'm really happy to see Tua on Atlanta. He looks really good. Malik Willis has been working really hard all offseason, just spinning darts all over the place. So best of luck to the Falcons and Tua for sure. I saw Malik Willis throw a baseball out of the stadium for his opening pitch. Yeah, but his legs looked huge. Also mashed in the batting cage after that. He did. The exit velocity on a couple of his ropes was crazy. That is good. Yeah, like wide receivers, tight ends, those types of guys, really, really good.

1:01:48He's been ripping balls across the middle all day yesterday. I mean, he's firing darts in Miami, boys.

1:01:53Pat McAfee:I believe in Malik. They need to just let him do what he is. Run the football. Just commit to it. Everybody's so scared to do it fully because of the quarterback position. If he gets hurt, you're kind of screwed. But it's like, what if you never reach the apex of a player because you're scared to let him be who he's supposed to be. We're kind of saying that with Justin Fields. Like, Justin Fields is clearly the best runner of the ball whenever he's on the field. Whenever he's running with it, he is faster than everybody. He's seemingly smarter than everybody. He has good awareness on where to run to, set up blocks.

1:02:20Pat McAfee:He's like an incredible – but he's quarterback. We need him to throw. We need him to throw. It's like, okay, definitely has to throw better, of course, but why wouldn't we want to utilize what makes him maybe an NFL quarterback? And like, well, one shot, it's over. It's like, but did you ever get it? Like, I think there is a – It's a weird spot to be in. It's almost like you're being punished for being a great athlete. You're not punished, but hey, true, we think old school dropback quarterback, you need to be able to take a three, five-step drop and pull the trigger. But if you are an absolute freak athlete that's faster than most every guy on the field at that time, yeah, it probably would benefit you to pull that thing down, maybe have some design runs.

1:02:56But then all of a sudden, the better you get, the more scared they get for you to get hurt.

1:03:01Pat McAfee:Lamar, exactly. The better you get at running the ball, the more scared they are that you're running the ball. Like, it was happening with Lamar Jackson. Obviously, in his first contract, all anybody said was not going to be able to last long enough in the NFL to be able to do this. Then he makes it through his whole first contract. Then he gets franchise tag, makes it through there again, wins an MVP, does an entire thing. They're like, you're going to pay? You think he's going to? He's like, he's proven that he can avoid hits and everything. We got to see him be able to throw. Then he becomes the best passer in the NFL.

1:03:25Pat McAfee:Remember, he was like, QBR was better than everybody else, and his passer rating was better than everybody else. Wins another one. And it wins another MVP. And it's like, he's still not going to be able to do all that run. It's like, okay. But that is kind of the old narrative. There has been unique situations, Lamar Jackson being that. How about him attending more offseason stuff than he's ever attended before? And maybe Minter cracking into a new culture over there in Baltimore. Everybody's talking about John Horrible, okay, because he went to the Giants. He picked up and left, took a lot of Ravens with him.

1:03:52Pat McAfee:Nobody's talking about what's going to happen in Baltimore. Is this going to be a refreshed team, a happy team, a hungry team with Minter? What are your thoughts on how this Baltimore Raven squad looks as a whole? And what is Budda going to be cheering for this year? Yeah, I mean, I think with Minter, they may have like some, I don't know, like you'll re-energize them a bit. I'm sure for Lamar, for anybody, it's true. No matter what level you are on the team, when a new staff comes in, you kind of have to prove yourself to them. And if you have any pride as an athlete, you want to show them, hey, I want this new staff to know like I'm in here daily.

1:04:22I run the show. This is my like I am the absolute leader of this offense, of the team. And you want to prove to those guys that you are who they probably think you are.

1:04:30Pat McAfee:All right. Last question here about this whole thing. The reason why we're talking about this is because Lamar missed voluntary workouts. Some other guys did as well. Back in the day, it was not a big deal. Now we cover everything. How do you feel? About missing? Yeah, I mean, there's things come up all the time. You mentioned it earlier in the show. Family stuff, charity events. Yeah, there's reasons to miss a ton. Yeah. Maybe there's a golf game that has to be played. Not that I had to beat everyone because I was a tweeter and I was a punter. So I have to be. There's no, hey, you can't be. And you usually have, I would assume they still have, you attend a certain amount of the off-season workouts.

1:05:03They'll tell you if you need 85 % of the workouts, you get your workout bonus.

1:05:07Pat McAfee:Yeah, I heard that was a big thing in Green Bay. I heard that was a big thing in Green Bay. A lot of the cities that aren't destination cities have the off-season workout bonuses in place. Because in L.A., Herbert probably lives out there. Dallas, a lot of guys live. Free money, though. It's great, though. It's free money in your contract. You can put as much as you want in there because all I have to do is show up, which I'm going to do anyway. Yeah, it's your job. That's kind of what fans think now whenever guys miss OTAs. They're like, it's your job. You're getting paid. So you can't show up for six days here in the middle of May to do your job.

1:05:36Pat McAfee:That's how fans feel. But the voluntary OTAs, it's like, hey, do you want to come say what's up? It used to be viewed like this. It is definitely how fans feel. It used to be viewed like that. Now it's like, hey, you get paid a lot of money. Your ass needs to be. This guy's committed. What are we doing? You want to go do a charity event, raise$100 million for cancer research? Okay. Do it on your own time. You didn't have to work the last three months. Try to win a game. You remember you didn't make the playoffs. You remember that? You had a long time doing the playoffs to do all this shit. That's what fans say.

1:06:05Pat McAfee:Yes. That's what fans are supposed to say. And we appreciate that as we move forward. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it is another absolute honor to be a part of the future of somebody that might be carrying the next generation into a grind and pound physical football world. Every once in a while we get an opportunity to be a part of one of the biggest decisions of an athlete's life. Who's committing where, Foxy?

1:06:53big game where you going next recruiting is like chess got a 4d if you want to be the best announce it on the show oh where you gonna go oh everybody waiting they all want to know

1:07:18Pat McAfee:okay ladies and gentlemen we're about to add to that highlight reel with a big man Big man. Huge. Hey, giant of a man who is wildly athletic. Out of Grayson, Georgia. He's a Grayson High School Ram, and he's about to ram his ass through some college football conference, making his collegiate football decision here today. Ladies and gentlemen, 6 '4", 305-pound, Jordan Agbenoma. Yeah, Jordan! How you doing, man? Mr. McAfee, how you doing? Mr. Agbenoma, how are you doing, brother? How's life? I'm good. How are you? Good. How is your 6 '4", 305? We were watching your highlights, okay? So every time we get to do this, we realize quickly that your guys' generation is so much bigger, faster, stronger, and better football than maybe any generation in history.

1:08:13Pat McAfee:And I don't know if you've seen these highlights yet, AJ. This guy's going to the stands. He's going to take a guy over there. Yep, he's going to the stands. That's him all the way over there. Everyone is you moving bodies. You're playing tackle in a couple of these. They're projecting you to be an interior offensive lineman. When did you grow into the offensive line body? Have you always been a massive body mover? How did you find your way into this particular field, Jordan? I mean, I've always been big. You know, also when I was playing basketball, back in the old days, just playing basketball.

1:08:42My coach, I used to foul out every single time. I was a big guy on the field, so my basketball coach talked to my dad, gave me into football, and I've been playing football ever since.

1:08:51Pat McAfee:How's the recruiting process? Having basketball feet while also having the power and the mindset to want to punish people makes up a perfect offensive lineman. How has the recruiting process been for you over the last couple years, especially now with the NIL component and everything else that could potentially muddy the waters a bit? I mean, it's been good. You know, I started in January of my sophomore year. It's been turned up since then. So it's been a great time. And the NIL part, I mean, for me, it's a blessing, you know. I can take care of my family early. I'm just helping all the people I want to help out and the people who help me out.

1:09:25So it's been a blessing for me.

1:09:27Pat McAfee:Jordan, I love everything you're saying. I love watching your film. I love the fact that the future of the offensive line is seemingly in great hands. And speaking of future, why don't you go ahead and take the floor here and let the world know where you're going to be playing football at next? All right. I think my mom, dad, brother, sister, friends, family, my coaches, anybody, And without anything else to say, I'm committing to the University of Nebraska. Hey! Okay. Obviously, in Georgia, I believe Georgia was a part of the conversations. Texas A &M was a part of the conversations. There was a lot of schools, obviously, that wanted the 6 '4", 305, basketball feet having powerhouse, offensive lineman top five in the country in all rankings.

1:10:15Pat McAfee:Why Nebraska? Jordan, congrats to you. I mean, all the coaches, they're great people, you know. I mean, I've been there. I've been there twice. And then even those two visits, I mean, I've seen Pappas. I've seen the city of Lincoln. I've seen how Coach Wade coaches, Coach Rule coaches. It's a great place for me to come in early and start early and play as a freshman and build my own legacy there. Okay, so we're excited to see you get in there. How do you feel about entering Big Ten football? You know, it's going to get cold, Jordan. Hey, it's going to get cold out here. Big bodies, a lot of hand fighting.

1:10:46Pat McAfee:and obviously a lot of meat in Big Ten football. Are you excited about that? Because it feels like that's your style of play from what we've seen from your huddle. Yes, sir. This is how to play, Coach. I mean, it's how to play, sir. Love that. You're the greatest. Tell your family they did a phenomenal job. I hope they are listening. We can't wait to watch you at Nebraska. And Coach Rule, I know, is probably over the moon right now that he has you coming to town. Congratulations. Thanks for letting us be a part of this. Yes, sir. No problem. It'll be great. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, it's Jordan Aguilar.

1:11:17Pat McAfee:Yay, Jordan! Good energy. We had multiple graphics there because, you know, we get a heads up, but also that has changed in the past where somebody has made a different decision. That's huge for rule. Oh, yeah. Ty was pissed when that one came through. I said that makes sense. He wants to go and he wants to start his freshman year. Nebraska would be where you would go compared to, you know, A &M, Georgia. Can we see his final five? This was his final five. Listen, Florida, Miami, Georgia, Texas A &M, Nebraska. That is kind of surprising, but to your point, we've heard about the NIL that Nebraska has available too.

1:11:54If you get a kid from Georgia who goes up there and likes Lincoln, likes the campus, doesn't mind about the weather, as of right now, why wouldn't you want to go play in the Big Ten? It's not that crazy. Congratulations, Jordan.

1:12:07Pat McAfee:Congratulations to Nebraska. 6-4. 305. Put together well. That'll work. And he, hey, moves well. He's a real great. Imagine being a high school kid. You're like a 240 pound three technique and this guy is just blasting you all game long. You got to watch film all week knowing what's coming and then you get there. He's even larger than he had math tests on Friday morning. Oh man, what I got tonight? Agbenoma. Good for him. We're lucky to be a part of these stories. Yeah, they're awesome. We really appreciate doing it. And, you know, immediately upon it happening, there will be a bunch of people saying, how many more schools are you going to go to?

1:12:50Pat McAfee:You were part of his first announcement. He might change before he even gets on campus. It's like, I do believe that is currently an option for these guys. We don't do transfer commitments. That's not our thing. No. We are just, we're very happy. And congratulations to Matt Rule and Nebraska. Congratulations to AJ as well. We chatted about this a little bit on the show, and then we did a little follow-up. This guy's a beekeeper. That's right. Big time. This guy's an actual beekeeper. Very early on. Very early on. I don't want to act like I know what's going on. Yeah, this is an interesting thing, though.

1:13:18Pat McAfee:You bring these bees into conversation for us, and then do you see they're at the White House now? Is there a little bee, big bee? Huge, yeah. I'm working for big bee, yeah. It doesn't feel like maybe you were targeted and preyed upon because now that the bees are becoming conversation, you have fallen in love with the bees. We talked to AJ. He baited in this feral swarm of bees, These wild bees that have been living out there on their own. Not barn bees, not created bees. These bees that have been out there honeycombing. Yeah, feral bees. Homeless bees. Out there in the streets of the bees community.

1:13:54Pat McAfee:Gave them a home. Yes, he baited them all in. Baited them all in. Then he captured them. And they said, instead of being mad at him, they view him as a hero. He's giving them everything. And now he said, now it's my job to take care of these bees. so they're happy here, but they're all workers. He said, a couple of my friends buy beehives. They get them from places that are created. Spalled bees. These things aren't good at work. Russian bees. You actually, yeah, the Russian bees are not, because they're spalled, because they've been brought up in captivity. This feral swarm, it sounds like you're actually proud of.

1:14:25Pat McAfee:Just want to let everybody know the way he was talking. Very much so. Very much so, yeah. They're a good group. Great group. They're workers. I'm telling you. I said I checked on them last night. I'm letting them go. I'm letting them, I need to give them six or seven days to settle into the hive. But yeah, I peaked on them last night. They are replicating quickly. They look good. Because your friends have beehives. Is there ever any underground bee fighting leagues where you take your hives and put them in a room together to see which hive comes out alive? Can't be doing that. No, but if he doesn't take care of his hive over there, they might swarm and come right over to my place.

1:14:57Pat McAfee:Yeah, so that is a thing. Same with mine. Same with mine, too. So I'm going to keep my guys. Trust me, you know, they're feral, so they're not scared to leave. They have no issues. I've got to make sure I give them good condition. The way you were talking, the way you were talking to his face, 10, 15 minutes I'm talking to him. Never heard him talk about his kids like this. Ever. He was like, you know, I've got to keep these things happy too. Get private. These things were just smart. These things will get up and leave. They'll go find another hive. Oh, yeah. If I don't treat them right, they'll get up and leave.

1:15:22Pat McAfee:And it's like, well, how do you stop them from doing it? He's like, you've got to earn their trust. You've got to earn these bees' trust. How do they become feral? And then he told me about two and a half years, maybe we can get some honey. So this is a long game for the allergy season. and I'm thankful great for the garden I'm thankful that you're doing it joining us now ladies and gentlemen coming to you is live from I don't know a movie scene it looks like ladies and gentlemen some call him Big Hornel you might know him as Horny you also might know him as John Soul and Johnny ladies and gentlemen 18 year NHL veteran Stanley Cup champion Eric Johnson Big Hornel what's up Hornel Or no Hey can you go full screen on him real quick Just so we can see this is out of a movie scene here So where are we right now We are in Lexington Kentucky The beautiful bluegrass And some of the mares and babies Enjoying some sunshine Out here Alright so I know pink sky at night Sailors delight pink sky in morning Sailors take warning or something I know that if cows are laying down I think that means rain is on the way I see the big cloud will the horses act any differently if rain's on the way are they the ones telling are they a doppler or are you guys potentially gonna all get drenched at the same time here so this is actually i have a this is a horrible story um jesus horses are really attracted to lightning like they're just hit more often so i've actually had a horse get struck by lightning and die on the spot because a lot of these there's these waters out here you see these waters in the background yeah those have pipes that run all the way to it and so the lightning will hit that and the horses will get affected so i've had a few get struck by lightning over the years it's i should probably quit the game now because that's just maybe the worst luck i've ever heard of but uh it's it's nice to be out here i mean just i had uh i had the vet over here this morning her arm was all the way up the mare checking to see if she was pregnant with the ultrasound i mean we had everything going on this morning.

1:17:23So it's been a busy morning, boys. Oh, yeah. She was not pregnant. She was not pregnant.

1:17:27Pat McAfee:You're not grand pony. Okay, got it. Do you know the behind the scenes of how the mare gets bred and covered by the stallion? Are you familiar with the process? I don't think everybody knows. Tone digs those, it sounds like, which I appreciate. I don't know if you've been to certain shows in Mexico, but if you could please kind of explain to me the process. I know that when somebody wins, they stud them out, they say. And then I'll see some things on the internet, Yeah, whether it's a big sleeve. It's a big one of these or if it's actually happening. We don't know for sure. Jackass. But that's what's happening at your horse farm all day, every day?

1:17:59Pat McAfee:Is that kind of what your business is? So these are the mares, and they'll get on the van, you know, to go to the stallion farm to get covered. So all these stallion farms where they have these big, expensive stallions, every farm has something called a teaser stallion. And the teaser wears like a big chef's apron, right? So he's covered, and he goes up to the mayor to make sure she's receptive to the whole process. So the teaser gets screwed out of this whole deal. He gets no action. And once the mayor is known that she's receptive, they take the teaser out, the big stallion troughs in, and he covers the mayor.

1:18:34So it's a whole process. You do not want to be the teaser.

1:18:37Pat McAfee:Okay, don't want to be the teaser, it sounds like. But it does sound like the horse business is a pretty sophisticated one that has process. You're really in this thing. You're in the horse business. Should we be talking about you as if you are horse guy as opposed to NHL guy? Like, is this your full commitment now? I love it. I mean, I like it, boys. When you join a golf country club, you are never going to see that money again. You're going to pay your monthly dues. But what are you going to get out of it? Tons of friendships, tons of great experiences. You have to love the game to get in it.

1:19:10And I love horse racing. I love the breeding. you know we we try and be profitable and make money by selling these babies at auction every year and just getting out in kentucky lexington's such an underrated town a beautiful place and just to have this this place in retirement it has been awesome with the the moms the babies all the racing out at keeneland and the beers down at camel club in downtown lexington you just can't beat the vibe down here yeah they're so cold okay yeah we're happy that you're crushing

1:19:36Pat McAfee:it a couple chilly ones too maybe go ahead and take that down as you're looking at the mares kind of figure their life out getting shown or whatever the case is uh talk some puck though bingo you're a stallion there's some stallions there's a stallion out tonight yeah which is obviously a huge piece of the conversation Makar out what does this mean this golden knights team obviously has been rallying since torts has taken over very late in the season right before the playoffs the golden knights have seemingly found who they are team with a lot of moxie what does this mean for the avalanche with the injury to Makar and how do you think the golden knights can potentially steal I don't want to say steal I apologize Golden Knights will take that as disrespect but you understand what I'm saying here for this Vegas team is this the time and even if McCarr was playing would they have what it takes to potentially make this real in here in Colorado I think Vegas is going to give Colorado a tougher series than maybe everyone thinks since Torts has taken over in Vegas they've lost two three games I think maybe less including the regular season in the playoffs so this is a team that really knows how to win.

1:20:38They won the cup in 23, Colorado won in 22. So it's two veteran teams going at it. Eichel McKinnon, two of the best two-way centers in the NHL. Some might even have McKinnon as the best player in the NHL right now, especially if he can win another cup. But having Makar out the best description I can give, if you're not a natural hockey fan watching the show right now, it would be like a prime time LeBron James not being in the lineup. That's how big Makar is for the abs and for the nhl he's he's just as good on the offensive side as he is defensively he's a guy that's out there when you need a goal and when you're defending the other team trying to put one in your net so he's just that good at both ends of the rink he's an electrifying talent as far as what he can bring offensively but sometimes you see these guys that are so good on one end and they sacrifice for the other end he's not that guy he can do it at both ends of the ice i don't know if Mark Stone's going to play tonight for Vegas, their captain.

1:21:33I don't think he is. He's got the back issue, but I think it's going to be a heck of a series. I have it going six or seven games, and it's going to come down to goaltending at the end of the day for me. I don't know if Carter Hart can be a guy that can shut down the abs in this long series like it's probably going to be, but it's going to be two heavyweights squaring off.

1:21:51Pat McAfee:Okay, so let's talk about a couple of the injuries that you mentioned there. Stoner's had a back for a bit. Long time. Back seemingly always shows up. You thinking he's not going to be out. We'll wait for official word. I don't know if that's been released or not. McCarr, though, feels like with you hockey guys, you have to be like, damn near dead to not play. Because the shit that comes out after series is once people get eliminated. He was playing in the series with a fractured foot. He was playing with, what was the one the other day? L2 or C2, C1. Actual things. Internal bleeding for the Flyers.

1:22:23Pat McAfee:It might have been Tampa a couple years ago where somebody was actually getting pushed up onto the ice truck chuck yeah chuck couldn't stand up yeah and we didn't have his ribs right yeah didn't even find out so afterwards though because you guys don't put anything out there's no like it's just upper body or lower body that could be anything okay the upper body's made up of a lot of shit the lower body maybe is it his dick or is it his groin or do you break his femur yeah like what what is it it could be anything with hockey so macar missing this feels like a big deal or is this just for him to be able to get back sooner how do you kind of read the McCoy, because I guess he was on the ice this morning or something like that.

1:22:57Pat McAfee:So he can't like, how do you judge these types of things when you sit, when you don't sit in hockey, a sport that like, I think expects everybody to play all the time. For me, and I'm just speculating. I don't, I don't, I played with these guys. I'm really good friends with them. I'm not going to bug them during the playoffs. I'm not going to fish for, you know, any injury gossip or anything like that. But to me, it feels like it's worse than they anticipated because they've had a little bit of time off since they closed out Minnesota, right? They haven't had Carolina time off 10 or 11 days, but they've had time off.

1:23:27So I do expect him to play probably in game two or game three. But Colorado is deep enough, especially on the blue line, which is crazy to say when you're saying you're going to miss probably maybe the best player and the best defenseman in the world out of your lineup. I think Colorado's deep enough back there to sustain that loss of McCarr. But it's going to be a big task. Like not only, and I talked to you guys the other day about how good Quinn Hughes and Makar are at the top of the power play. That's where they're going to miss him the most. They'll probably put Devon Taves at the top of the power play right there.

1:24:00He's a lefty, Makar's a righty. So there's just a different dynamic up there when he gets the puck. Makar can shoot it on the one-timer from the other side. But now Taves will be able to shoot the one-timer and it's set up on McKinnon's side. So that's the difference tonight. It's probably going to be seven Taves. It could be 70 Malinsky at the top. You might see Burns up there as well, but it's just a different look without Makar up there on the power play. He's so good distributing, shooting. So it's going to be a big loss, but I think Colorado is good enough to overcome it.

1:24:30Pat McAfee:Good call on the Montreal power play, by the way. Good call on that. It wasn't Cole, but it was. It wasn't Caulfield, yeah. Yeah, so you probably went too close to the sun. You should have just stayed at the power power. Exactly. Just kind of zoom out, you know, just zoom in. I would have been the king if I didn't say Caulfield, right? I would have been the king, but now I'm nothing. I'm done. No, no, no. You're on a horse farm. Come back, Hornel. Hornel. Hornel. Hornel. You're somebody to us, damn it. Yeah. You're somebody to us. I'm back. You're standing cup champion. Yeah, you are standing cup champion.

1:25:00Pat McAfee:Wake up. On that note, Connor has a question for you. We need this advice from you, Hornel. Wake up, Hornel. I'm sick of you potting over there. I know that's not good for the horses. We know that they can do it. What's with the Scottish action? No, it's Tammy. It's Tammy. Welcome to hockey. Welcome to hockey. Welcome to hockey. Come on, Johnson. Let us teach you hockey, lad. You've never been to Saskatoon, you buffoon? Jeez Louise. But speaking of these cup runs, what is the biggest thing as we get deeper and deeper into the playoffs? Like when you guys won the cup, for you, what was kind of the hardest thing for your team to kind of get through?

1:25:36It feels like right now is the rust-rest conversation for both sides of it with Carolina and the Avs dealing with a lot of rust, perhaps, because they've been off for so long and the other team not having enough rest. What do you think is the biggest thing the teams are going through now, and what was kind of your experience when you guys were at the Western Conference Finals when you guys inevitably won the Cup? Great question. So to me, especially in the regular season and how condensed the schedule was this year with the Olympics, guys were playing realistically every single night, and then all your best players went to the Olympics and played a gauntlet of hockey for three weeks.

1:26:14So this rest that Carolina has, that Colorado's gotten in the first and a little bit now in the second round, it's so big. Like, I can't overstate it enough. It is to get four or five days in between series or 10 or 11 that Carolina got, you just don't get that type of recovery. And I don't want to hear anything about the rest. I do not believe it in the playoffs. if you can get rest it's so big for not only physically on your body because let's be honest half the team's getting shot up in their ass with toradol before the game anyway they can't feel anything you know it's like the miracle drug right so i mean the mental part of the rest that you get is is so big the grind of let's let's let's be real you're playing say on a monday you're traveling on a Tuesday and then you're playing again on a Wednesday, really the whole way through, unless you're lucky enough to sweep a team or beat a team in five.

1:27:10So I don't buy into any of the rust because the rest physically, mentally, all that stuff, it overweighs all of it to me. I think it's so big this time of year because you just can't find it during the season. Time why you punish me.

1:27:29Pat McAfee:Finding time is a good thing, especially in the playoffs and a best-of-seven series when it can be absolutely grueling. We saw it last night with the Knicks, though. They had a little rust, DJ. They had a little rust, Horno. What did they come back from? Was it 41, 31? 22, but they went on a 41-11 run or something like that. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, but they had rust, DJ. Yeah, you're a big-time basketball guy. You don't want to see me shoot a basketball. It's embarrassing. We know you're a hockey player. We've already seen it in our minds. We've seen you do that.

1:27:59Pat McAfee:How about, can you throw or no? I'm kind of battling this little rotator cuff thing. I've been doing some incline presses at the farm. Yeah. With the hey. With the hey. With the hey. With the hey. With the hey. With the hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. It's great to hear that you guys are in that world as well. It makes sense after watching you guys play and everything. And we've done our grandstanding for Toradol before. We like to let everybody know you shouldn't take it unless you have to play a professional game. With other people that are allowed to take it, and it's definitely going to make them feel better.

1:28:30Pat McAfee:His team, Green Bay Packers over there, didn't offer it. Wow. Never had it. How many Super Bowls? I have one, but yeah, zero tour at all. I don't know if they're going to win one. That's ethical ball right there. That is ethical medicine. I wonder if they're going to be able. I wonder if they're going to be able to win one in the modern era. I don't know. They still do that, Edge? Do you know? It'll be fine. I would assume so, yeah. I don't know for sure, though. I genuinely want – and listen, once again, we're not promoting anything. If Micah wants Toradol, he's going to get Toradol. I don't know.

1:29:07Pat McAfee:That's kind of what AJ was saying was no. That's kind of how they – Well, you can sneak it in the locker room and do it yourself. You think it's just like – Check yourself with Toradol? Yeah. Where's it coming from? What movie are you guys watching? The program? The program, yeah. You think that's what's happening? I mean, it was happening in our locker room in high school, so why wouldn't it? Was it? Yeah. Was it really? Yeah, you know the guy. Rest in peace. Excuse me? Oh, rest in peace. Oh, no. He did get to play in college football, though. He did. He did pay off. That's not happening. Have you ever taken it before golf?

1:29:37I'm kind of embarrassed to say I have. Pill form? No, no, Ivy, you're sitting in the spa. You know, you're laying back. What's that? That's what booze is for. No. Yeah, well, that was later in the round. That was after the turn. Of course. That was after the turn. After the dog. With the charred hot dog. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I took court on the IV. My swing's awful. Embarrassing. Really? So non-athletic.

1:30:03Pat McAfee:You got that rotator cut thing. Yeah, we'll use that. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's move along whenever we talk about a little bit of puck. It's not just the players that are on tour at all. For us in the NFL, the coaches were lining up over there as well. AJ has a question about that. Yeah, Horno, we talked about torts on here, obviously, the Vegas coach. How about Colorado? This Bednar character seems like the just cool, calm, and collected. He doesn't ever seem phased. He seems just awesome. His hair is amazing. He dresses great. What can you say about Bednar here? Yeah, I think the biggest thing from playing for him is he's really relatable.

1:30:37I think maybe this has changed over the course since I first got into the league when my career was going on early on in 2006, 2007. coaches were more pricks, right? I think, you know, you walk down the hallway right in front of them, you kind of put your head down, they put their head down, there wouldn't be a ton of talking. Bedsy's super relatable. And I think the biggest thing is I've noticed he's gotten a ton of confidence since he first broke into the league. He came in late. I don't know if you guys remember, it was 2016. Patrick Waugh had just retired abruptly. Sorry, sorry, resigned abruptly in middle of August.

1:31:12So that's, that's really, really close to the season starting. And Bednar just won the AHL championship. That's the Farm League in the NHL. And he got hired right before that. We went on to finish last season, dead last in the NHL. And Joe Sackick, our GM at the time, had a decision to make. Do I bring this guy back or give him another chance? He brought him back and he's rewarded him in spades. I think a lot of people are questioning, should Bednar get fired if the Avs don't win the Stanley Cup this year? I think it'd be a foolish decision one way or the other. This guy would be scooped up in two minutes.

1:31:46He's, I think, one of the top coaches in the NHL. He's embraced analytics and the eye test. A lot of coaches, they just used to rely on the eye test. What am I seeing? He uses the data with his eyes, what he's seen during the game, to make decisions on his lineup and his roster. He's got that cool surfer dude vibe. He's dressing better than he ever has. I don't know who's helping him with his outfits. I know it's not him, but he's a great guy. I really enjoyed playing for him.

1:32:11Pat McAfee:I like that you just had to take a shot to his shins there late. Like, hey, the guy's fashion is ass, but somebody has certainly helped him in that particular fashion. What is the coach doing? Okay, so obviously we know in other sports there's an offense coordinator, defense coordinator. There's a lot of that happening. There's bench coaches in the NBA. They deal with this. You deal with the wings. You deal with this whole thing. For the NHL, what, there's special teams coaches, which is what? Penalty kill and power play and everything like that. What is the head coach doing? Just scheduling, narrative, mission.

1:32:42Pat McAfee:like how much coaching is happening game to game like in game how much of that is happening during games so it'll change a lot from the regular season to the playoffs because you're playing the same opponent for so long right in the playoffs so Bednar is a guy that he's the only coach I've played for in my career I think I played for five maybe he does almost not all the work but he does a ton of the presentation and meetings himself a lot of guys will set it off to their assistants to run meetings, but he runs almost all of his meetings. So we have a head coach, a forward coach, and a defensive coach, and a video coach, and a skills coach.

1:33:22The forward coach runs the power play. The defensive coach typically runs the penalty kill. Of course, the head coach has input in all those things, but the forward coach will run the power play meeting. The defensive coach will run the penalty kill meeting with input from the head coach, but Beddar will run his pre-scout meeting five on five four on four six on five the morning of the game in front of the entire team where a lot of coaches don't do that bednar shows a ton of video there's a ton of explanations if i had one critique of him as a coach his meetings were too long every player would say that players hate meetings he'd probably say my attention span was too short i actually know he would say that but he does a great job of just doing a lot of the work himself it's really unbelievable to see because he came up through the east coast league which is the level before the American League and then he was in the American League so he's used to doing all that stuff but he he does a ton of the work himself of course with the help of his assistants but he's he's a coach that does not really rely on a lot of people to do a lot of the work for him he works his ass off and that's that's why he's such a good coach it's unbelievable how good he

1:34:26Pat McAfee:looks if he works his ass off like that as opposed to what everybody else does I think that Oklahoma City wasn't he G League coach too Dax before he went up there yeah yeah there's been a few of Yeah, and they've been, like, coming up through the system, you learn, obviously, the building, the team, the organization, the players, the ideas, the mantras. Like, I think that's a good little feeding ground, obviously. And then sometimes you'll just get your ass fired and then picked up at another place quickly. Sully did a lot of great years in Pittsburgh, and then he got fired, and then exactly what you said happened.

1:34:53Pat McAfee:Somebody will pick him up in two minutes. He went to the Rangers, and then the Pens went to the playoffs. And the Rangers did not. Now, would you like to break some news, EJ? Let's break it. Okay, I don't know. You would have to be the one that would break the news. Is McDavid coming to the Pittsburgh Penguins? I'm going to have one hot take for you right now. I think one of Austin Matthews or Connor McDavid will be on the Minnesota Wild in the next three years. Wow. That's my hot take. I think they're going to find a way to get – they need a center. That's Minnesota's clear Achilles heel. They need a number one center.

1:35:33I think Bill Guerin finds a way to get a Matthews or a McDavid in Minnesota to push them over the edge. I really do. That's my one hot take for the day, boys.

1:35:43Pat McAfee:Okay, I like that we're doing hot takes from a horse farm. Now, Minnesota, Billy G said he's going to get active too. Yeah, Horno, when you hear Billy G say that nobody on the team is safe as far as, like, you know, can be moved or anything like that, if you're on that team, does that make you feel better? Or is that one of those things where it's like, hey, yeah, that's part of the business because as a Boston Bruins fan, I would love to see Matt Boldy donning the – How about Quinn Hughes coming to the Pens? Yeah, maybe. Well, he's a free agent. So it feels like if Jackie Hughes doesn't bring his brother home, then maybe he does.

1:36:14Pat McAfee:Oh, he was kind of sucking up to him yesterday on air. Yeah, they were kind of. Yeah, Jack Hughes was sucking up to Quinn Hughes on air yesterday trying to get him over there to New Jersey. Sorry, we just interrupted that. But what does Billy G mean when he's saying that? So it's, I think, unnerving as a player. I've been in a position where I thought I was never going to get traded when I played in St. Louis, and I got traded in my third year there. Very surprised that I've been in a situation where I thought I was going to get traded, and I did. So I've kind of worn both of those hats, and both are really uncomfortable positions.

1:36:46But I like that he said that, because at the end of the day, he's right. Are there guys that you're going to not listen on, probably, if you're a GM? But if someone knocks your socks off with an offer, you're going to take it if you think you make your team better. So I think he's aggressive, and Minnesota showed me a lot this year. They're a way better team than I thought they were, and they especially raised their level in the playoffs. If they get that center, whether it's McDavid, Matthews, Hughes from New Jersey, I don't know what they're going to do, but I like that Bill Guerin said that.

1:37:16I do like that because they're a team that their window's wide open. They just need that one more piece down the middle, and I think they're a perennial contender. I mean, imagine that series against Colorado if they had an elite center. They didn't have Joel Erickson with injury, but they gave Colorado the best team in the NHL right now, bar none in my opinion, a real good run for their money without really any center depth. So we'll see what happens, but I like that line. I think it's good. It keeps everybody honest and nobody's safe.

1:37:45Pat McAfee:Bar none. Jordan Davis with a banger. You as well. We appreciate the hell out of you from that horse farm. Tell those mayors to stay away from the lightning, please. Yeah. Thanks, boys. Cheers. Have a great day. Hey, stick tops to you. Stick tops to you. Stick tops to you. Horno! Horno! Horno, you didn't take your shirt off today, Horno. Good work, Eric Johnson. Yeah, Horno. That guy's got a future. Yeah. Yeah. He should just be maybe live streaming all the time. Sure. Does he ride horses? We didn't ask him if he rides the horses. Yeah. I would assume he's like a cowboy. We assume he's side-saddling.

1:38:19Pat McAfee:That's a good question. He is cute. You think he rides? Yeah, me so cowboy. For sure. You think he's watching the mayor go through what she's going through and not to hop on the back of that thing? No. I feel bad. I think it'd be pretty dangerous. Those horses are an incredible species. Oh, yeah. I think that is something that every time I watch a horse thing, I happen upon it. You learn more about these creatures. They're up there in my top five animals. Top five animals. Every time I see a horse in person, I'm like, jeez. They're amazing. Allegedly, they have an ability to kind of sense things.

1:38:51Pat McAfee:That's why I thought about maybe the rain, but I guess they lose that sense in another way. They love lighting. So fast. So fast. They need to step away from the lightning, it sounds like. But, hey, that's the pipes underneath. How could they ever know? Yeah. How could they ever know? They did a lot for our culture as a whole. Oh, yeah. Horses are a pretty big part of our history. Huge part. Before Hank Ford, yeah. That's how we explored the Great West. It was before Hank Ford. Right before Hank Ford and the Model T around 1920, yeah. Horses. Yeah, horses are a big deal. Let alone Washington. Can we get some PVC pipes?

1:39:22I'm sorry. Can we get some PVC pipes buried in the ground? They don't cut it. Well, you know, I'm drinking plastics. He said it's carrying water. Like, lightning's not going to be attracted to a PVC pipe. We got water pipes.

1:39:35Pat McAfee:How many miles of pipe do you want this guy to lay? There's already been water pipes out to the farm probably for, what, 50, 60 years? Two-year job untrenching all that stuff. You going to do it? It's expensive. How much that costs? Depends on how many horses of the year. Depends on how many horses you lose a year. Well, John Deere certainly has the product you need to do that. Without a doubt. Okay, no questions asked. but that's going to take some time. Time, money, resources. It's dirt. It's popping. It's precision. This guy. He's got money for the horse. All you need is one leak from this thing that you're putting in there and what?

1:40:06Pat McAfee:Now the horses can't drink. Now they starve. Yeah. Or dehydrate. And they die. Okay, H. Yeah, let's worry about that instead of the piping that's bringing the cold water to these horses. Dysentery. Fuck. Let's talk about some other news stories around the world. And shout out to these horses battling out. You have to run on – God forbid you got to run on extra long hoes out there. God forbid all the horses die. Are you going to unravel that hoes every time? Yeah, I got it. I'll do it. Super long hoes. Get a bunch of kinks in it. Exactly. That is tough. That is tough. I got to get Tim out and teach me how to wrap it up properly so it doesn't kink.

1:40:45Pat McAfee:Listen, I don't know how long we can do this one, you know, But what I've learned is even this one is now being defeated by these new rubber hoses that are not supposed to tangle. But they just find new asshole ways to tangle. I'm sick of the tangle-free stuff that's not tangle-free. They're saying these extension cords these days, you aren't even supposed to do it that way. I'm not supposed to do this. Get the fuck out of my face. Who's they? Exactly. People that have never done that. I still do it. Yeah, of course you do. Big extension cord. The extension cord's got the cranks you can just put on there.

1:41:21Them fuckers are nice. I think they also got a... Yeah, they do.

1:41:25Pat McAfee:They got a... If you want some weak-ass extension cords, yeah, sure. No, the problem with the... Is it inevitably sits on top of each other and stops, and you got to, like, re... Yeah, I got 200 footers only. 200? All right. Tone, I got good news for you. Ladies and gentlemen, 10 international games coming right up. Wow! Expanded game! Yeah! Yeah, good for the world, good for the globe, good for the game. Okay, this is what we like to see. And that's obviously just a Brazilian picture that was utilized. That country was added to the countries that were hosting NFL games of importance, regular season games just a year or two ago.

1:42:02Pat McAfee:Now they're traveling to Australia for an actual game, first game of the season, for the Los Angeles Rams, who are going to be on primetime throughout the majority of the season. One of the biggest stars of the NFL season next year is down in Australia to start against who? Oh, the San Francisco 49ers, one of the biggest fan bases on earth. I guess no game is safe now. Any game could potentially be made an international game. There used to be some games where the home teams could say, we've got to keep this home game. We've got to keep this home game due to fans or due to the business or due to the tradition.

1:42:29Pat McAfee:I guess the way it was written is no game is safe. Any game could go anywhere. Yeah. That's NFL football. Now, for more on that, we head over to one half of the Hammer. Dad. Cowboys, AP Tone. more countries experiencing more games is good for the league yeah more why are you making chat gpt graphics or grok graphics saying shrink the game it does feel like there's people that are kind of they're okay with the international growth but we don't need to be overdoing it is seemingly the reaction from most or some i guess yeah even i was originally fine with it i mean but then it reaches a point where it gets a little bit out of control and now now the big part of this is not going from 8 to 10 games, which is significant.

1:43:11It's the non-projected games. If I have to watch Packers, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Bills in France, I agree with that. I'm good with that. Grow the game, baby. You want Steelers, Ravens? You're a sellout. Because if we're getting a Steelers, Ravens, maybe some of these... You want Patriots? Say it's supposed to be in Gillette. Just let me walk you through this, Tony. No, you walked in me. Patriots. Patriots. Supposed to be hosting the Bills, and now they're going to host them in London. You're going to be happy about that? Let's say they're over in France, and all of a sudden, France is going through a little bit of a down year, and people want to play sports.

1:43:52Exactly. France doing France things. All of a sudden, they watch a Steelers versus Ravens game. They watch a Packers versus Bears game. They watch a Patriots-Bills game, and everybody in their country starts smoking cigs and doing dip.

1:44:05Pat McAfee:I think everybody in France does smoke cigs. That's true. But stuff of that nature. Wine sales go down. Lagers, chili ones, beer sales go up. All of a sudden, we're talking about countries completely changing their GDP and generational kind of sports and people growing up as more so like, what's the team's... You don't think Dolphins Cardinals could do that? That's what I'm saying. Bingo. You don't think Dolphins Cardinals could do that in France? I don't give them that. I don't give a shit about any of that. I don't want fucking division games. Pivotal division games played in other countries.

1:44:37Tony's exactly right. If Packers Bears, Packers Lions, something like that is in fucking China or something like that, boy. We're not going to communism. Not yet. We're not going to communism. Not yet. Fucking Bangladesh.

1:44:51Pat McAfee:That's too big. Going there. There's not a game in China. Give it a second. There's not a game in Japan. There was before, though. There will be. So there is precedent for NFL games, preseason games in Japan. They can go to Australia. They can go to Japan. They might figure out Saudi if they get it done. Donnie's interested. They're sniffing around. Yeah. See, everybody I think is because it's the NFL. It's the biggest league on earth. So I do believe. Communist China ain't getting a division game. You don't know that? Okay, I'm not going to go after you. They might play a football game in fucking Tiananmen Square before the end of the decade.

1:45:20Let's go to Mount Fuji, though. I mean, Japan would be cool. Everybody's overreacting. This is good for the game.

1:45:25Pat McAfee:Oh, we're overreacting about the division stuff? The division stuff. Can't have that. I think it's good. Now, granted, Colts played the Jags in London. Well, that doesn't count. What was the last time they That's disgusting But what if it's a Jacksonville game Colt time one in Jacksonville All of a sudden you know what let's take it to France And then you guys might win Alright we're talking about the world Remember more sports in the world is good Agreed I stand by that I don't think they should have worded it Like hey the big rivalry game that we all look forward to In the cities That used to have like city rallies To go hate the other team they should have said in there that they're not going to take those.

1:46:05They should have said that.

1:46:06Pat McAfee:Bills, Chiefs, and Moscow, sign me up. See, that's your problem. You don't think Panthers, Falcons over there could do the trick? That's fine. I don't love that. I want to see. That's Panthers, Falcons is fine. We'll allow that. Allen, Mahomes, the Kremlin, show me. Show me something, Rod. Putin would score three times. I mean, we understand that would take place. But we think sports for the world is good. but we would like to keep the reason why the sport is potentially beloved, why the sport is beloved. Well said. You can't be taking the rivalry matchups and traveling them around the world. Remember, this is a guy that wants a Super Bowl internationally.

1:46:43That's not what I said. I made some salient points as to why it would make a little bit of sense.

1:46:48Pat McAfee:And I think what he was trying to say is for the good of society, we need more ball. Oh, the world doesn't need football? Yeah, exactly. Yes, it does. Exactly. Football tells such a beautiful story. It does. Any body shape can become a professional. Anybody can play. Any socioeconomic status, any political affiliation can play football. Now, with flag, it makes it much easier as opposed to the pads. And it's going to take a little bit for some of these countries to buy into ball. But I'll tell you, if they get a chance to see the Arizona Cardinals. Arizona Cardinals and the Miami Dolphins. Take each other.

1:47:23Pat McAfee:I think they're going to love the game. I think we need to appetizer first before we start sending the steak in there. Like Niners, Rams, that's crazy that's in Australia. That's bullshit. But Australia, from watching Aussie Rules football and from their culture, and they also have Aussies that have been in the NFL so they know the sport, I think that country is ripe to fall in love with American football. So I appreciate us taking a game there. We just can't be taking a big one. These nations made their bed when they picked soccer and cricket and rugby and shit. They had their chance. They could have been a football country many, many years ago.

1:47:59They made the wrong choice. Boys, what are you doing? They made their bed. What time were we living, 100 years ago? Now they've got to sleep in it. Those countries probably watched Panthers, Dolphins, and said, why would I ever watch this again? We've got to send some of our head honchos over there.

1:48:11Pat McAfee:Okay, Carson Wentz needs to play in all these games. I'm good with that. I'm good with that, too. All right, we'll continue. He's the global QB. Jameis and Carson are always the quarterback of the teams that go over there. Let's talk about actual global game and global competition. Sure. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to make a massive announcement in the golf world. Everybody knows the Ryder Cup, which is USA versus Europe. The President's Cup, which is coming right up this fall, is the United States of America against the world, excluding Europe. We lost to Europe. We're going to get their ass next time.

1:48:46But we have a chance on redemption in the President's Cup to really claim stake to the golf game yet again. But if we lose to the world, dark days ahead in the optimism.

1:49:00Pat McAfee:A man who's been tasked with being the captain of the President's Cup team, fresh off a Myrtle Beach win for the PGA a couple weeks ago, and at one time, the 2007 PGA Rookie of the Year, icon, Brian Snedeker. How you doing, Ball? Doing good, man. Thanks for having me. I'm still laughing about the last discussion, so bear with me here. Do you have anything to add? I mean, just the thought of Tiananmen Square getting brought up about me down. I mean, I love these conversations. Wow, I'm a huge fan. Thank you, Captain. We appreciate that. We also appreciate the fact that you're leading the lads in a redemption, hopefully after what happened in the Ryder Cup against the world's golfers in the President's Cup.

1:49:48Pat McAfee:I believe today, massive day, because we're about to have the captain's assistants officially announced. Would you like to announce who will be joining you, and what are the jobs and the gigs of all of them? Yes, my first two assistant captains, I'm naming the day. Their job is to kind of keep me on task to make great sandwiches for the guys, to kind of be the moral support for the team, to help me not mess up, most importantly. But my first assistant captain is going to be Jim Furyk, recently announced 2027 Ryder Cup captain. So, obviously, 225, he was the President's Cup captain. I've been Jim!

1:50:23Jim's the best. He was a winning captain in Montreal last time we played the President's Cup. So, have somebody with experience on the team. It's going to be extremely valuable.

1:50:31Pat McAfee:Okay, love that. Okay, so you've got Jim Furyk helping you out, not just making sandwiches, also sharing some game. Who else is the captain's assistant that will be leading us in this world battle of golf, the President's Cup? the previous Ryder Cup captain, Keegan Bradley, will be my second. Let's go, Keegan! A couple Northern lads here. I obviously appreciate the decisions that were made. And obviously this is still pretty far out. September, October, whatever the case is. And how do we feel? It's September. How are we going to bode in this? Because I'm going to be honest. Europe had a lot more moxie in the Ryder's Cup.

1:51:03Pat McAfee:Europe had a lot more fun. Europe obviously was making every single putt. Is it a battle of who's hot? or what is your real goal to get this team back on top of the golf world? Yeah, I think you hit it on the head. I think just trying to get these guys as relaxed as possible. You know, these things are so stressful. You know, being part of a team, not wanting to let your team down, not wanting to let your country down. I think, you know, at times in years past, we've probably cared too much and probably put too much on ourselves. So, you know, I think my role as captain and using Jim and Keegan as helpers is to kind of make sure these guys are as comfortable as possible, make sure we have a good plan in place.

1:51:38make sure the crowd's rocking we're gonna be in chicago what a great sports town um madonna's gonna be our biggest build-out ever for president's cup on u.s soil so it's gonna be rocking we'd love to have you there kind of broadcasting for the week so that invitation's out there for you guys if you want to come up but um chicago's a great sports town so we're looking forward to having a

1:51:54Pat McAfee:great time okay listen if we're a part of american greatness we certainly love that especially in the sport world as we can rally around the lads as they take on the world who will be rallying around them. Hey, no pressure. We're 13-1-1 in these things. Okay. Not bad. Exactly. Pretty good. Let's go, Brant. We appreciate the fact that you're the captain. We're very thankful for the opportunity to potentially travel out there. We'll have to check the schedule. It is in the middle of football season, but if we can get out there, we certainly would love to celebrate what you, Keegan, Furick, and the boys will be cooking.

1:52:26Pat McAfee:Thank you for joining us, Brant. Congrats on the win just a couple weeks ago. That had to be awesome. That had to feel pretty sweet. Yeah. Thanks to God. I got one for the old guys. You know, it's nice to know you can still do this every once in a while. Hell yeah. Listen, I got this thing. This thing just makes every putt for me. Is that right? It does. I actually switched to it as well, so it's unbelievable. It helps me. It can help anybody. Why is this thing? Why am I putting good with this, though? Is there a reason? Like, what should I think about why it's working so well? Don't overthink it, Pat.

1:52:55I think that's a pretty good rule for you is not overthink anything.

1:52:58Pat McAfee:Smart. Let me smoke a little bit more. Here's the man. There's the gentleman. It's Brent Stedeker. Yeah, Brent. That's a good coach. Did you hear what he did? Yeah. He's bringing that to the President's Cup. Yep. As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Grainger has your back. From professional-grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Grainger knows safety is always a priority, They're committed to being your partner and protecting both your people and your facilities.

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1:54:24Pat McAfee:I forget there was some golf news. We broke that Furyk was going to be the captain of the 2025 one. In 2023, we broke that. Or 24 one, whatever it was. I remember that. You remember, we broke the news like 10 months ahead of time. And we were pumped because we were part of some news break in golf. We like golf. We love golf. But then immediately as it happened, we were all like, man, we're not going to talk about this for a long time. No, and we didn't. But this we will. Yeah. Kiggs gets a chance to bounce back. Sned understands the program, talking about Tiananmen Square. Weapon. And then obviously, Furyk, Pittsburgh guy.

1:54:54Pat McAfee:Let's go win. Let's beat the world. Excluding Europe. And in turn, the world, excluding Europe. Good luck to you. We hope your golfers show up. Because you think Scotty's losing back-to-back international affairs. Yeah, right. Snatterker's hat, did you see that thing? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it looks sick. Those three letters mean so much, and they're going to win. Hell, yeah. A long time from now, and we'll talk about it then. We'll continue as SportsCenter takes it over from here. We continue digitally. Goodbye. We only made one graphic. With both captains' assistants on him? Sure. You guys saw that happening in real time?

1:55:26Pat McAfee:Yep. Because he wanted to give love and praise to each individually. And as he was doing that, I actually thought to myself, fuck, we should have definitely made two different graphics. But instead, got through the first one, love that guy, big wide shot. Hey, Jim, congrats. And then as soon as he says Keegan Bradley, it's like, here they are, by the way. Here they are. They wouldn't want to be on separate ones. They're a team. They're so close together that they would want to be next to each other on the graphic. That's the type of rally that we need. Because remember, the team, Europe golf team, was all on a group text for years.

1:55:55Pat McAfee:Singing songs, drinking beers, inside jokes. They're doing Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole.

1:56:06Pat McAfee:Ole, Ole. We got DeChambeau. Oh, yeah, speaking of DeChambeau. He has no way he's going to. We got bad news for Liv. What? Liv Golf? Yeah. uh-huh anytime you do money projections on the internet you have no idea who has what information okay because our our type of contract and deals that we've been a part of have been misrepresented for years online and in different publications and search engines and ais and everything because if the information is out it's just going to be assumed assumed to be accurate even though it might not be accurate at all that is just our situation at all come out openly and said that's not the right number okay and it just continues to go anybody you look up like what their net worth is normally not going to be accurate because you have no idea what all they're a part of and only things these are all just like projected things so it's hard to understand money and like the actual shit story with a business well what they're saying will live we need 250 million dollars really soon okay there's only a little bit of money left from the saudi uh piff fund and by By the way,$250 million you give today, 20 months, we'll give you a return.

1:57:15Pat McAfee:I don't know if anything has been able to be able to become such a moneymaker so quickly. So I assume they have a great idea for this. But allegedly, it's being reported that Liv needs$250 million, a quarter of a billion, now. Okay, we need it now. And less than two years from now, you're going to be making money on that. I'm excited. I would like to see the pitch deck on that entire thing. I would like you possibly you I would like to see the path to success that they have because if they do have a path to success that they're saying within 20 months which would be a crazy turnaround just for any company any company that isn't headed by some massive AI tech company 250 billion dollar turnaround profit from a company that is that damn near zero right now is an absurd that's a very aggressive thing I just from everything that we've experienced Elon has done it 10 times okay so that people think that that's It's just a natural thing because we see fucking Bezos and we see Elon and we see these fuckers that are at the Ari Emanuel just got a fucking football team.

1:58:17Pat McAfee:You see these people that are at the top of these things that run a few businesses very well. We don't remember about all the other businesses that happen that do not do that. Turning a$250 million investment into a profit in 20 months is a very aggressive pitch. If that is what they are pitching, I would like to see what it is. Has to be a content play, obviously. Is it a TV network deal now that the Saudi money isn't in there? They probably think that maybe it's easier to do. They have DeChambro, right? For now. That's the biggest thing is how many of these guys – it's already kind of – these guys are already kind of exploring.

1:58:49Pat McAfee:Rombo's still there, though, and the contracts. But is he already exploring going back to the PGA? Because a lot of the – I mean, if that's the idea and this doesn't work, then that's what I'm saying. So it's like if they get this investment or whatever, and then by the time they actually do get it and half of the guys who we know are playing on Live right now have already started the process of going back to the PGA, then it's like, how is it going to be profitable? You're basically holding on to the fact that we have Rom, we have DeChambeau, and then if those guys go, what do you have? You know what I would do?

1:59:21Pat McAfee:And this is just me talking spitball in here. I have Cam Smith, Rombo Bombo, DeChambeau. Who else? Phil? Yeah. He's getting through something right now. All the people that we've heard of, I would just have them play against each other at different courses. Mic'd up. Primetime golf. Yeah, that's what I would do. I'd do it at night golf. That's the only way. And I'm having them play against each other at actual courses. They're wearing – we're doing a golf broadcast. I would just take the stars, turn them into playing golf against each other. They have their own little league. You can even have some celebrities come through and play if you want to do some different – So like TGL on actual golf courses?

1:59:57Pat McAfee:Yeah. Yeah, with celebrities. Like I think – and you can have the other guys golfing in there too, like fucking whatever you want to do. But the leaderboard needs to be all their big names. I need to be able to see it. Golf carts. And I have to do something different. And now without the Saudi money, maybe somebody will pick that up. Well, I think we know who. Mike Rapoli. He doesn't give a fuck about that 20 months. You need to call him right now. And by the way, he'd probably love the TGL mix. Got to trim some of the fat that people really don't care about. Because to Ty's point, like, we need to either get our hands on these contracts or find out exactly what it is.

2:00:30because what Rom said made it seem like they're going to cut our hands off if we try and go back to the PGA. That was when Piff was involved, though. He's probably not as afraid to get out of his contract now.

2:00:40Pat McAfee:No, that was after Piff. I think he said that. If the league folds, he can leave before 2029, obviously. For sure. Yeah, because that would be, what's that called whenever you breach? They would breach, too. That would be a breach of contract. I mean, this would be the most, like, as Pete Thamel, this would be a Shazmik situation if they figured this out and turned it around, don't you think? Yeah, I would like to see what the pitch is. yeah i would love to be in there just watching that unfold hey because you see it in shark tank obviously that's real life that is how shit actually gets done normally it's not just multiple people that are sitting there usually it's one company you go in there and you're selling there's questions there's asking a boom there's activity there's that whole thing getting up there and saying this is what we think we could turn this is what we need 250 million for okay this guy we they're offering some crazy contracts to these guys this guy's owed 180 million yeah like what if that is the case we owe this guy 75 million dollars over the next year or something like that that's probably a big part of the problem for them yeah that's why they need the massive amount of money but we think if we keep them we'll be able to generate amount of money if we invest this much at 250 million in 20 months the amount of people that probably said okay yeah everyone they've mentioned that to so far yeah okay sounds good i would like to see what the idea was.

2:01:53Pat McAfee:I would like to see what the idea was. How can you really improve or change? I mean, is that enough if they go to primetime golf and we have a bunch of these guys who aren't what they used to be? Is that enough to completely save this thing? It feels like we already got the announcement like Liv is dead. This thing is done. Wait a minute. No, it's not. We're going to pump some more cash into this thing. We're going to tweak a few things and we're going to be right back where we said we would be. We need a little bit more of the cash to pump into this thing. Possibly you giving us that as we continue to go.

2:02:26Pat McAfee:Golf's great. YouTube Golf has become a very viable business for a lot of different companies creating content. So maybe they got a content strategy, man. So, yeah. You know, remember DeChambeau's chip over his house? Oh, yeah. Wait, do you see that? So$5 billion. Taj Mahal. $5 billion wasn't enough, but$250 is going to get it done. Yep. Different leadership, different decisions, different ideas, different content. Still golf, but louder. Maybe YouTube doesn't. They should go play at like Munis and have these guys shoot like 57, 56. Put lights in the courses. Yeah. Play at night. Bryson was doing breaking 50 at the latest major, but on the front nine.

2:03:02Oh!

2:03:04Pat McAfee:Tony Darn! All right. Okay. All right. The numbers. That was taken from the internet. Okay. I mean, at some point, everything that's ever been said has been said by somebody on the internet. I mean, that is a real thing. I do appreciate the position that we are in, though. Every once in a while, I'll get, you got that from blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay. I definitely did because I'm a huge fan of that person. I have a lot of time to see everybody else's shit. Actually, when I blog on the X, I search that person's account. But on that note, I am honored that human potentially said the same thing that I said.

2:03:35Pat McAfee:And I often wonder if other people that said something that I said, they get bummed out about it. You know, Pat kind of says, fuck, I hate that guy. Fucking hate that guy. I wonder if that happens in the world that we're in. I do we're going to be around a lot of these people we're going right into the belly of the beast not the feral swarm we kind of are the feral swarm yes we kind of are because they did bait us they've kind of baited us in there it's going to be a big deal next week AJ I'm actually very intrigued on how it all goes honored honored you want a tux yeah see what do we do here you know because there's the stories of like what the South Park guys did the first couple that was my real line it's Biz Cash I believe it's Biz Cash it's going to be a good show I assume right this is about shows YouTube is streaming it okay here we go sports Emmys is what we're talking about it's the first time I think we've really even mentioned that ESPN Mike Foss more specifically Foss to Boss that's what they say he's kind of on a run right now a little bit housing is kind of yeah right now oh yeah heater housing yeah i believe is what you could potentially be calling all that uh but foss uh i think so i don't want to sound like a dick but the awards thing i feel like if you have a job and you're able to talk about sports and make a living like that's an award i feel like that's enough of an award and then when I find out that the awards are you have to self-submit like you have to say like hey and pay in like b we would like to be awards that made me feel just kind of like uncomfortable with the whole thing like so I'm I'm telling a bunch of people who for a long time have not been the biggest fans of how we we operate at all openly I think a lot of them have have said that and acted in that particular fashion so it just felt weird that we have to like kind of submit to potentially win from these people like it was just a weird thing i didn't like it i didn't like how how it all went down i didn't like how invested a lot of people got because it felt like they were getting their hearts broken when i'm like hey i think you do a good show i don't think you should be as bummed out as you are and then the people that win obviously were pumped for how happy they were but then it's also like does this mean it like i don't know what it means so foss the boss he's the one that submitted us which we appreciate FOSS doing that because what has come is a very cool like moment for a lot of us it's like hey it's cool that our peers I guess would be in this thing have said like hey uh welcome to the biz almost you know in their own way now do we think it's taken a long time and has the road been very difficult to kind of see eye to eye with these particular people yes but it is very cool that we're getting acknowledged you know if that makes sense even in the nomination for the award and if we were to win, that would be outrageous.

2:06:35Pat McAfee:But I do fear that we're going to be walking into a place that is going to be buzzing there a little bit. And on that note, we ride in there. We should be riding in there. That's going to be a good time in there. We should be riding in there correctly dressed as well. It's not business casualty. It's Texas Foss. It is suits. Yeah, that would make sense. I did see some people look very dressed up. The suits thing would make sense. But I was at a super suit event a couple weeks ago. It wasn't as terrible as I thought it was going to be. That was crazy. Yeah. That was a pretty eye-opening experience.

2:07:04Pat McAfee:It's like, wow, these people aren't just like the absolute worst, I guess, all the time. That's pretty cool. I had a couple drinks with these things. They were great. It was incredible. Yeah, usually once you meet people and you hang out with them for a little bit, you're like, all right, they're cool. I enjoy being around them. Yeah, I kind of liked being in Indianapolis and not really knowing any of you, just kind of nameless, faceless suits. You know, that was a little bit better for my view. But once they get to me, these things have personality. Yeah. I love when you call them they love when you say these things they understand what I'm saying they know who they are they know exactly who they are and we appreciate them now a lot more than maybe we did years ago but we are walking right into their little suit Super Bowl award show and we should dress for the occasion classy Tuxedo t-shirt for sure there's no way I'm wearing a tie I was just going to wear a black shirt with a coat but here we are and I'll wear the tuxedo t-shirt.

2:08:02I'll play the fucking game.

2:08:04Pat McAfee:Look at us. Huh? We're trying? I think we're trying? I suppose. We're going to have a great time, I think. I ain't talking to him. I know that. I know that. You're going to have to, yeah. We're talking to him. We're talking to all of him. We'll see. Maybe this is all of Branch. Feels like it could. They should have convention to present an award. You should shut the fuck up. That's why you should do it. How about that? Fosso. Get on it, Fosso. Fosso the boss. That's these people. That's what they call you, huh? Howzen is awesome, by the way. What a character. Thank fucking God that the Knicks won last night after his entire...

2:08:38Pat McAfee:Because Bruce was actually worried. I retweeted this, and I was in my office on a call. I retweeted this particular post. I get a text from Bruce. He's like, hey, I think you accidentally reposted that. And I didn't know what... It was like 10 minutes later, 5 minutes later. I didn't know what to post. I was like, oh, fuck. What was it? It was this tweet. I was like, I thought he was on your side, Bruce. Bruce has the Hausen mask. I mean, Bruce. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Bruce and Hausen is really all in right now. Knicks fans love him. From my understanding, this is a good time to be the Hausen in New York.

2:09:13Yeah, we're all fucking Hausen out in New York. Shout out him. I was a bit confused. Is that a Hausen mask? I thought. He's like staying. Looks like a three ninja's mask. That's a three ninja's mask. He's actually cursing the Cavaliers. So we're all in on Dan Hausen. We're all in on Fatima's. And, yeah, Knicks in four. Let's fucking go.

2:09:31Pat McAfee:Knicks in four, maybe. Hausen, big night for him. Yeah. Huge. Look at him. This guy's going to be courtside. He's going to be sitting with Timothy Chalamet. Good for you, Hausen. Good for you, Hausen. He's in New York for the New York Knicks on first take yesterday. Oh, yeah. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. Hausen's in the building. Take an hour. He's got a good brain, too. I appreciate the way Hausen's brain operates. I also like that Bruce is all in. He wanted to kill Hausen yesterday whenever he was talking about the Knicks a little bit. And then he learned, oh, wait, wait, wait. The second I saw him on NBA today, I was like, holy shit, he better not.

2:10:06I'll fly there. I'll kick Dan Hausen's ass. And I'll fly back. Dan Hausen. I won't even go. You don't want to do that, bro. Don't worry. The Miz is on it, brother. The Miz has got to be heartbroken. Yeah, was he tweeting when they were up big or anything last night?

2:10:21Pat McAfee:Yeah, here he is. Good thing there are no curses, and tonight will prove it. But also, it's one thing to put fake curses on me, but my team, I will end you. The Miz doesn't know he actually cursed the Cavs. Just kind of took a little bit of time to get there. It was late in the fourth quarter housing, and then it kind of really went crazy for him. The Miz is saying that there's no curses. There's people coming out and saying there's no mind reading. What? Those people are wrong. That's a thing. That's bull. Yeah, it's big bull. I will say. I will say hilarious Will Compton situation yes it is what's that fucking guy's name Bryce Bryce that's what it is and he looks it up and then no it's Brees that's not the guy it's the other guy in the moment Will knows too oh yeah because Will had a full embarrassment moment for himself whenever he couldn't remember Reese's name.

2:11:25Pat McAfee:So that entire moment now becoming this entire thing about this guy isn't actually picking up his soul and going inside your brain, believe it or not. It's like, okay. All right, we got it. Well, the fucker's good. Yeah, he is. And if you get to the point that you have people breaking down what you're doing in super slow-mo, that means your gimmick has worked. Agreed. So congratulations to Oz. They're coming for you. They're coming for you, Oz. Batting down the hatches. But the gimmick worked. I think that is that is the only way you could describe that is if they're coming for you like this And they're exposing you like that The mass magician came out whenever there was somebody who was really hot in streets back in the day I forget it was magic was getting real hot real hot real hot And then the mass magician came out was like let me tell you why everything you're looking at is bullshit And I watched it because I love magic and it was like wow They're actually just doing that this entire time and then you have to kind of like bury that You'd be like nope nope don't let that kind of be a thing so you can suspend reality whenever you go back to a magic trick here in planet earth you know so i've always done that but oz we're fucking watching you now yeah he ain't getting away with any of this shit no longer and there are still things that like we couldn't explain like there are still multiple things that and i get that aspect of it but there are still things that he did just even behind the scenes that we couldn't kind of even figure out what he was doing after My credit card number.

2:12:47Rogan's credit card number. How did he know the draft order? Birthdays. Birthdays. Just names and contacts of phones. There are still things that is impressive, but yeah, that gimmick, unfortunately, it does seem as though people are out on that part of it. Well, congrats, Oz. And maybe Oz might be good for book sales.

2:13:09Pat McAfee:Yeah, maybe he can write a tello now. What did we think he was doing? You know, I told him a demon. He's great. He's great at what he does. He's awesome and he's very skilled. But, like, yes. Charming. What does AJ say? Funny. AJ, you've always been a doubter? No, a doubter of what? That he's an alien. Like, we call him an alien and everything, but it's called magic. It's called illusions. They're tricks. He's a mentalist. We don't know how they do it. I think that's the problem. He calls himself a mentalist. That's what started this whole snowball going. With a little buddy making a five-hour video.

2:13:39Pat McAfee:What was that mentalist on America's Got Talent, the two ladies, the lady and the guy? Should we go to? I love Matt. People probably know this about me now. Well, you do amazing. I don't know how you put that retuck. I don't know how you make that. I don't have a handkerchief. I thought he was a mind reader. That is a shame. That's not what you guys thought? I thought he was a mentalist. I thought he jumped up into my brain and got me a couple different times. But I am a big-time magic fan. If I'm in New York or one of these cities and there's a magic show, that is good. I don't want to go to some fucking little kid one.

2:14:09Pat McAfee:But if there's like a good magician, that means you're about to watch somebody execute some shit at a pretty high level in front of a live audience. I'll go watch it. I enjoy trying to figure it out is all anybody's doing while they're watching magic tricks. Have we all caught people before in magic? Yes. But I think that's kind of a part of magic. You know, it's just like, yeah, hey, he's doing a stick right now. He's doing his shit right now. Is he able to execute it? Oz was for a long time. He was. He had fucking NFL quarterbacks throwing a ball to different numbers for pin codes. That's crazy, too.

2:14:38Pat McAfee:Explain that, AJ. Yeah, think about how he pieced that together. I don't know. Did you watch Penn & Teller fool us? You ever watch that show? I have seen some of that. Yeah, I saw a good amount of that. Yeah, watching them call out other magicians for what techniques they're using that are kind of inside, behind the thing was funny. And then they actually tricked Penn & Teller. It was like fool us. So it's like I think magicians have always been able to tell folks what other magicians are doing. Executing it, I think, is the big difference. Like John Dorenbos, the long slam performer. They have the Eagles.

2:15:04Pat McAfee:Then he goes down to the Saints. They find out during a physical that his heart was basically about to something. shut down he gets emergency heart surgery he comes back he was on ellen he was uh america's got talent he was he was awesome his story was fantastic as well talking to him about what other people were doing was that was a in an enlightening time in my life because i was started this show almost began every day with me popping up popping about a nothing you know like that is that is almost how a couple of these shows started oh we could definitely make that happen yeah let me call So, bubba-da-boom-da-bang-da-pow.

2:15:35And it's like, that's kind of the, that's the bitch.

2:15:37Pat McAfee:Yeah. Now, wrestling. They work at it, though. They work at it. I've talked to a dude who practiced a trick for a year and a half before they even do it publicly. Yeah, exactly. So, we still got a mass respect. Good luck, guys. Exactly. Good luck, guys. Keep doing it, old. I think he's going to go through it a little bit, though. Yeah, just start running. Do the marathon thing. How does he run 100 miles in a day? Can't freaking joke your way around that one. Yeah, that better not be for gays. You know what they're saying about Frank Abagnale? Catch me if you can. What's that? The rat. He made it up.

2:16:10The fucking snitch. Because he did all that stuff, and then the first opportunity, he just said, oh, can I work for you? Yeah. Business opportunity.

2:16:17Pat McAfee:I mean, he was protecting businesses is what he was doing. He provided opportunities. But what they are saying is potentially his hustle is creating and faking an entire hustle. That's a good hustle. A pretty good little hustle. Yeah, without a doubt. I was flying around flight attendants, forging checks and things. Really? Yeah. It was unbelievable. Make a movie. Yeah. Spielberg made a movie. $10 million,$20 million. It's a good hustle if that is the case. Oz had a good hustle. Yeah. No. Make the Oz movie. Not a hustle. Guy's real. Just because some guy that won a Pulitzer says he's not. Pulitzer's a pretty big deal.

2:16:55Pat McAfee:Are they giving those out at this thing that we're going to next week? Maybe. I don't think so. We better get one. I don't know. I don't think so. I think so. I don't think so. All right, let's get the hell out of here. We appreciate you all so much. I think we covered everything that needed to be kind of covered in the sports world. PGA Championship, big numbers. Sports up and to the right. Yeah. That's all you need to know. Sports are continuing to deliver, which is fantastic for all of us. Obviously, everybody that knows us knows that we are sports people. We fucking love sports, but we think there's a lot of reasons to love sports.

2:17:32Pat McAfee:No matter what the competition is, watching people have to show up and show out for a moment that they've worked their ass off for, completely exposed, completely vulnerable for the audience to kind of see them go through the ups and the downs, willing to risk it all, their name, to go ahead and become or try to find some greatness. It's beautiful. Shout out to sports. Shout out to sports. Did I win that fucking golf thing? I'm about sick of these emails from this guy. No, it's tough. You didn't win that. Dave's almost dead. Hey, we got two more, though. All it takes is one. Sounds like this is a bigger scam than fucking breaking cards.

2:18:04I can't break the top 60 in that thing. I came in third. I was going to say, we got a couple guys who are. Out of 150 or whatever.

2:18:10Pat McAfee:Third? Mm-hmm. I have a top five finish as well. Yeah. So we're looking at the FedEx Cup points right now. There's three or four of us in the top 25 in the year standings. Three or four of you? Who are they? Me, Connor, Ty, and Foxy. Connor, are you finishing in top 10 in this thing? I don't know if I have a top 10, but I'm consistently top 30. Foxy, you're in this thing as well? Obviously, it's your kind of club league. Yeah, I'm doing okay. So the key for people that don't know, you pick six golfers. You've got to have five guys make the cut. And I've done that in every single tournament but one.

2:18:45Pat McAfee:So I'm doing okay. I'm not out of it yet. I fucking need JJ Spahn to pick it up. He was the one that did make it. Yeah, he killed me. Yeah, me too. So that's the bottom of the barrel here. Everybody has a price, and you're only allowed to spend a certain amount of money, $15 ,000 or something like that. I forget what it is. $10 ,000. $50 ,000. $50 ,000, okay. Everybody has a price, and then you've got to pick like three golfers that don't have a high price value on them. Right. It's like, how the fuck do I know? Like Scotty Roy,$11 ,000 and$10.9, and then like Rom. You've got to take Scotty. You did better than Nick.

2:19:15What's that? You did better than Nick. Love that. Yeah, I had Blocky on my team. What?

2:19:21Pat McAfee:Love of the game. Be your friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change your life when it's sitting together. Appreciate you all so much. We're back tomorrow. Western Conference Finals tonight. Let's pick these games, actually. AJ, at 8 o 'clock, hockey starts. Golden Knights Avalanche. Who do you like? How do you like it? Give me the biggest Golden Knights, I feel like, on this one. Being the underdog. Okay, I'll take the Avalanche at home without my card. See how it goes. Go ahead, Tony. That line went from minus 192 to the Lanch. It's all the way down to 175 currently. Just moved again now that McCarr is out.

2:19:56Pat McAfee:Okay, so the favoritism is bouncing a little bit. They're at home. It should be a buzzsaw. Who's on the avalanche? We'll see pregame. Okay, I like the avalanche. Let's go to the 830 NBA tip of the Western Conference. Wemby takes on Oklahoma City. Favored by 6.5. Has that changed? Yes, it was 7.5 now. 7.5 now. AJ, who do you like? How do you like it? You know what? I got to take the thunder here. I'm taking thunder to win and cover. I feel like they rebound. Give me the Spurs, baby. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice. It might change your life. We're in this thing together. Team on me. Team on three.

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