#101: He Gave Me A Natural DMT Release From Just 10 Deep Breaths… (Explained)

29:59And it just reminded me of that great, uh, quote from Alex Homozy. He says, I don't know if it's from Alex Homozy, but I've heard it from Alex Homozy. He says, heroes and villains both come from the same backstory, pain. He's like the, the hero, the, the hero says the world hurt me. I'm not going to let it hurt anyone else. And the villain says the world hurt me. I'm going to hurt everyone else. Heroes use pain. Villains are used by it. And I think when I look at my life, the most life-changing moments for me in my life have been the low times. So if that's my pattern, I know that when I get presented with a low time, whether it is trauma, hardship, breakup, a person's done me wrong, thing definitely didn't go to plan, or I really wanted something and I set these massive expectations and they all got slammed in my face and I had to get back up when no one was watching.

30:50All of those times are the most life-changing times of my life because I allowed myself to go, this is going to define me. I'm going to let this be fuel to put in my car and drive to the shops and not burn a house down. And it's like we get given these fuels and we can choose how we want to use it. And I like this idea of being able to take these terms like trauma and like pain and like challenge and all of these things and kind of go, whatever you want to label it, whatever bow you want to put on this box, let's figure out a way to make this serve us because let's just focus on the things that we can control.

31:36150 % it's fuel. 150 % it's real alchemy happens when we transform pain. What do you mean? Alchemy, like the classic term of alchemy is turning lead into gold. Lead could be considered the pain or the trauma and you turn into gold, you turn into medicine and it becomes something like the hero's journey. Like you said, you turn something that really challenged you into a way that you're now serving. now what's important is that that that alchemical process of taking this thing that has showed up in your reality that you cannot ignore it's it's in your world you pushed it aside you tucked it away you've you've tried to get rid of it you've tried to fix it but it's still there it needs a different alchemy it needs something to actually metabolize it and transform it into something else because energy energy can't be destroyed it just transforms and we're energy beings we literally are and you can measure our bioelectric energy we're electromagnetic spiritual beings and so emotion which is energy in motion is one of the most powerful forms of energy that we have and so if we're suppressing emotions if we're pushing trauma away that's untapped fuel that's untapped energy right energy is just emotion emotion is energy in motion energy in motion So what happens if we're not willing to feel our feelings?

33:03We're blocking energy.

33:08Fuck. That's quite an unlock there. Emotion is energy in motion. Emotion is energy in motion. Okay. Yeah. Motion. I'm fascinated to know about why high achievers, and you obviously work with high achievers, I'm fascinated to know why high achievers end up in ruts because there's definitely a lot of high achievers listening to this right now. And this type A driven, hungry person. Yeah, right. Both in the room right now. There's not all the lights set up are not here because of any other reason. but but there's there's this character in us and i feel that makes makes you want to achieve such great things and probably opt for redlining and go go go go go nature about us um and you work with high achievers specifically people correct me if i'm wrong but people that have worked so hard that they've ended up in a rut maybe they've been climbing the wrong ladder i don't know what What's a common thing that you find high achievers get caught in?

34:22And what are some traps that you think people get caught in and you kind of help them come out of those? Yeah. So I had a mentor say something to me years ago when I was sort of at the height of like a really high, high and low, low sort of mild burnout. And he talks about the type A personality, which I'm a recovered, recovering high achiever. I still achieve and expand my reality and enjoy it, but it's more fulfilling than it's ever been because the need to be and do more is no longer the driver. So the type A and the high achiever gift and challenge is the need to be and do more. Need being the key word?

35:08The need to be and do more. So you're not ever satisfied with where you are right now? Yes. Which means you can never actually be satisfied with the present and what you have. Correct. You might dip into moments of satisfaction if you're living some life. You're going to have moments of like, wow, this feels good. Or, you know, like someone I know is causing really big sales and he would get the high. Excitement isn't necessarily alignment. Right? We'll get these hits and we'll think that that's satisfaction or that's happiness. and then the hit, as we know, with any substance, if there's a dopamine or people that have struggled with cocaine, the insatiable nature of when a hit comes and then dips, that dip, because the hit is not sustainable.

35:58And so I think why a lot of high achievers end up in a rut is because they're chasing a high or they're trying to build the excitement to sustain this kind of ideal of themselves and then reality kicks in and they have to face another aspect of themselves, a shadow or the inevitable dip that comes. There's no space for recovery that they've made for their body from the workout. There's no place for certain aspects of their relationship. So the things that actually matter to them, because there's unfortunately a very sad pattern for type A's is that the people closest to them are the ones that are most hurt by them.

36:29Because they'll unconsciously and with good intent, like actually every high achiever that I've ever worked with are some of the most loving, committed, devoted, like well-intended people. So their blind spots are more challenging because of how well-intended they are and the people closest to them suffer. They get steamrolled. What do you mean by steamrolled? Steamrolled means that sometimes it's difficult to take responsibility for the impact that we can have on an intimate relationship because we're putting so much life force into our business or into this version of ourselves and not being with the version that's here now.

37:06The version that's here now might have a blind spot that does something that affects someone. The version now might be neglecting the creative process in a certain way. The version now might be neglecting intimacy in the relationship, right? Whatever it is, but the high achiever, because it's so goal-oriented and it can see and it can move towards and work towards, it misses the impact that the version that they are now is actually having the people around them. What's the pivot for these people that are stuck in this state? Because I would imagine your approach is not forget about money because it's like making more money but with more ease more money with more ease what's the unlock that makes people make more money with more ease they meet a part of themselves that they've lost in the closet and hit a way that the high achiever aspect is compensating for and what does that look like and what are the traits that that person in a closet consists of the not good enough the shame the very hidden shame the unworthiness the fear of failure the fear of success it's different for everybody but that's some of the markings of the the type a is that not enough or not good enough i feel like a lot of people feel that sure the high achiever goes about resolving that in a very very different way because they're meant to create shit in the world it's like the wound becoming the gift but at some point you have to integrate it so it's not the main driver anymore like i know people have built an entire brand entire business on top of their wound what if they were doing it from the place of their soul energy and alignment not just as a way of compensating for their wound for example where does money play into this like how does being driven by money play a role in these high achievers because I would imagine when you go and lead from the soul-led version of you, money doesn't become the primary objective, but a byproduct of the work you do, you start earning a lot of money.

39:07Because I would look at that, when you look at the soul-led version of you, the soul was, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but we were around before shekels was, before the energy, right? It was before there was some dollar signs. so your happiness is is is and your your combination of peace and joy and fulfillment it it actually has nothing to do with with money the money unlocks a lot of these things that maybe can unlock these things but then again you can still see people on the side of the street having so much fun or people in third world countries that have a bigger grin than you've ever had and they've never even seen a dollar in their life and so that there implies that no amount of money is ever going to make you happy perhaps the person you become on the way is the thing that that you know we're not meant to be stagnant we want we want to be progressive right and i also would say that the making money is is one of those journeys that probably fast tracks your growth more than a lot of people as well, more than a lot of things.

40:15It's power. It's life force. It's permission slips. I look at money as permission slips. What do you mean by that? A lot of times people are trying to get a bunch of money to give themselves permission to do something. What does that mean? Well, think about maybe someone that wants to pursue their art or pursue some aspect that they know would bring them satisfaction and they postpone it and they say, I'm going to wait until I have this much money and then I'll do the thing. It's like the money becomes symbolic as a permission slip to choose something that's actually available to you now. But that's a backwards frame, isn't it?

40:50That's a frame that a lot of people have. Have, do, be. Yeah. Once I have these things, I'm going to be able to do these things. I'm going to be that person. Reverse it. So, so what you're saying is that money can't be a replacement for satisfaction, but there's something about when we build wealth and we own our value and we do some of those things that are natural initiations in the entrepreneurial journey, because I've helped a lot of healers build successful businesses. I've helped people build successful companies, but it's about where are you doing it from? And I think that there's a misconception that if you're prioritizing alignment or if you're moving from soul, that that's going to somehow negatively impact your business or negatively impact your ability to make money.

41:31It just means you're placing the emphasis on where everything comes from. source source provides money source is not money it's as simple as that when you're referencing source what are you referencing all that is the source the source of where life arises from the source of our soul the source of everything you know what i think uh is a great indicator on if you're letting your soul lead the way uh is if there's something that gives you greater joy than earning money. That's a beautiful indicator. But they don't have to be separate either. Oh, shit. That's fascinating. Wait, that's fascinating.

42:15Sorry, I'm getting hyped up over my discoveries. So there was a key pivot in my life where things really started to change for me. I was doing okay financially, but I wasn't really, to be fair. I was making money, but I was just getting by. I was self-employed. I was in my business. I was posting content and all of this stuff. and I was so money driven. I had this identity, like I'd run these software companies, Mr. CEO guy, and I had this identity attached to me and I thought that money was the answer. And I remember working so hard to make money and I couldn't make it. I'd hop on these calls with these brands and they would fucking not even follow through on anything.

43:00And I was struggling to make money so much. and I remember I was on this walk and I'll never forget this day. I was on this walk with this girl that I was seeing at the time and she didn't even know what I did as well. She didn't know anything about social media. I met her at a cafe and I never told her. I just would deflect the question. So she didn't even know anything about what I did and we were on a walk at sunrise and we were at this hill in the Gold Coast watching the sunrise and I just had my arms around her and we were standing on this rock. And as the sun was rising, I looked behind me on the hill and I lock eyes with this lady.

43:39She was in her 40s and she was holding her son, her 70-year-old son just had her arm around her son. And we lock eyes with this. I lock eyes with this girl. The first words that leave her mouth, she said, you've saved my life on multiple occasions. She was shocked. She couldn't believe that she saw me. And I was just posting content every single day of me. I was like, I was posting content every single day. And I, you know, I'd gained a lot of notoriety and popularity through this content I was posting. And you could tell that she was broken. She's in her 40s. She's holding her seven-year-old son.

44:16I go up there. The first thing I just do is I give her a hug. I hear about her story. I find out she's going through a massive divorce. She's now like out of her home. She's living in a van with her son and she's had the most traumatic thing. and she said, I look forward to your videos every day. I don't know if I'd be here without you. And I hear this on this thing. And I remember this girl that I'm with firstly, it's freaking out. She's like, who are you? Like, what are you doing? But by walking down from the thing after that, I'm shaking, I'm fully shocked. I remember saying to the girl, who again, knew nothing about me, saying to the girl, I was like, that's what I need to do.

44:53I was like, make more people feel like that. And if I just make more people feel like that, if I just focus on impact, make more people feel like that, the money will come. And I remember that day, it all switched for me. All I did was just impact, impact, impact. Weeks later, podcasts blew up, started making all this money, sponsorships come in, all these things change, whole life changed. And it's this pivot of realizing that when I needed the money and I obsessed over money, what happened with that is when you need something, you give off some disgusting smell. The energy is a horrible thing.

45:31You give your power away. I gave my power away. And the freedom there was realizing that there's actually things far greater than money. And my lens now has like removed money from all pedestal possible. and it's just this transactional commodity thing then it's this energy that comes and goes right and fuck perhaps it's a sign that you're letting your soul lead the way when things excite you far greater than earning checkers in business i think you've tapped in on something i got chills when you were sharing that story uh you know i i had an experience uh where i had been i closed my coaching practice after years and I made a commitment to myself that I'm going to see if life self-organizes to take care of me and I'm not going to do anything for money.

46:20And I went into a complete sabbatical for a year and a half and just let life self-organize to take care of me. So I wouldn't do anything for money that I wouldn't do for free. And I made this as an experiment in my consciousness. I just came to this point where I was like, okay, I'm just going to see what happens because I want to feel the things that I would do if there was no money on the planet, I would still be doing this. And so I did that. And some really cool things happened because I went from that high achiever, 10 clients a day, live events, producing festivals, all the different things that I would push myself, push myself, push myself to do, to now being in this completely restful state of non-doing.

47:00And just being. and what would show up out of the woodwork without any control or any conjuring from my identity or my personality or my business, things would just literally materialize. Someone came out of nowhere and was like, I want to benefactor you because of the work that I believe in. I really feel like you're here to help change systems on our planet and I want to just gift you this money. No strings attached. That was towards the tail end of the experiment. I went through some feelings to get to that point, But at some point, literally like more money than I'd ever made in a year of my business came in one moment as a gift, for example.

47:39yeah and even if we remove the gift element when you remove money from all pedestals and you you still respect it because you respect your time and money stored time but you are more willing to charge your worth as opposed to just hand things out from a state of maybe disparity because you're valuing the thing so much right and so for me the unlock is this realization of uh when you remove yourself from that thing and you're not so fixated on it you actually isolate the value you're giving and you charge accordingly as opposed to just putting a dollar sign on it what i think is the most important is the energy of reciprocity so i have people that i do high-end work with and i have people that I will give things away for to free because that feels right.

48:35And that feels like a form of giving back and it's correct for me. And I actually encourage a lot of the healers and coaches that I work with to make sure you have a true free offering, something that is like where you're gifting your time because of the times that we're living in and the way that our systems are created and how extractive they are and the kind of worlds that we've built that come at exploit of other parts of the world. We have to start giving back. We have to start to to reciprocate back to the mother earth. We have to start reciprocating to disenfranchised communities. If we're not doing that, then we end up in an echo chamber of privilege.

49:07And so it's okay to earn high income, have a seven figure business, but where are you, where are you giving back? Like authentically gifting, volunteering your energy. And I think that that's really important to bring balance in the sort of entrepreneurial world. I think there's a lot of emphasis on some of these things to achieve a sort of type of status in that arena, to have that identity reaffirmed. But what is actually reciprocal? Just like you were asking, how do I know I'm in alignment with my soul? How do I know this is the correct energy exchange? Am I listening deeply enough to find the geometry of reciprocity between me and this other being?

49:48What's actually true? Okay, this person I need to charge this much, This person, actually, the level of willingness that you're bringing, the commitment, the fire in your eyes to serve, I have to serve you. Otherwise, I'm out of integrity. I think it's understanding that there needs to be a level of altruism and giving in your life. 100%. And I think that's that karma and however you want to call it, right? but I was chatting with Robin Sharma just before earlier today and we were talking about obviously giving without expecting anything in return and giving expecting something in return is not giving it's a transaction it's completely transactional and most of the western world is stuck in a transactional consciousness even down to love love becomes transactional how so oh you do this for me and then I get this back for you not I just love you unconditionally because...

50:47Why do we feel like we always need to get something back from what we do? It's deprivation. It comes from the source of separation. What do you mean? Deprivation. It's scarcity. Source of separation. Remember we were talking about how the illusion of separation and not being part of nature, not being part of creation as a whole? So if I have the feeling that I need to get something from someone, I'm experiencing a form of lack. And if I'm experiencing a form of lack, I'm in the illusion that I'm separate from all of creation.

51:15yeah do you think you can take spirituality too far what does that mean what is too far we were chatting about on the phone yesterday or the day before around uh how i really love these people that are very spiritual and business savvy yeah yeah yeah like they're not and i'm not trying to be disrespectful at all and this is probably but but like they're not a fruit loop like that like that like they can operate in society yeah yeah like you're not a renunciate yeah like i think i think for me i would i would suggest that most people listening to this are in a western society and they're operating in in this in this way and so we can't just switch off from all of this but you do meet some people here i mean we can i should i need to be careful with can't that word in it you can choose to take breaks and it might be healthy too yeah choose to take breaks for sure like i mean uh staying in a cabin and going out into nature and just switching off your phone for a little bit and and you know just actually sitting in your thoughts from time to time and putting pen to paper and writing down and just exploring what's going on with yourself doing breath work all of these things tremendous value extreme value in fact I would say it's a necessity for people to make sure that they're being reconnected and aligned with who they truly are.

52:38Because we evolve and we can get set in our ways, even though we're evolving, but our mind is staying the same. And I think this level of consciousness needs to evolve. So I think it's valuable. In fact, very valuable and should be prioritized. So is evolving consciousness too far? No. What I would say is going to a point where nothing matters apart from nature. I kind of like this idea that nothing matters. It's quite freeing. You don't worry about anything. There's less complaints. You're way more calm. Your sensory nervous system doesn't get jacked over the most ridiculous things. It's quite cool.

53:19I just don't know. I don't know if there's maybe, maybe, maybe I struggle to resonate with it. And maybe it's like this whole concept around the more I learn, the less I know. And what happens is when you embark on something about something like spirituality, where you're coming really close to source, you learn more and you go, fuck, I know nothing. So then you want to just keep going down this rabbit hole and it kind of expedites to this point where you're so far away from the average Joe operating in a Western society. Maybe if you were to go speak to the monks, they would look at you and be like, you don't get it, man.

53:58So there is probably levels to the things, right? But I wonder if there is a point where if you're choosing to stay operating in a Western culture, are you making your life harder by going to extremes? I think that there's so much in this inquiry. And I would say, what if you can achieve the same thing that you just said, like your central nervous system's more relaxed, you don't get jacked up for everything, and everything matters. What do you mean? Like the opposite of nothing matters. Like everything matters. But then your central nervous system can still be calm. So you're not phased by it.

54:33It's like you're regulated. Yeah, like everything matters and you're still calm and regulated and participating in the world, but it doesn't have the same grip on you that it had. And it's not because you went nihilist and you went into some self-delusional belief system to try to cope with the challenge of the material world. is that you've mastered yourself enough that the material world and how you perceive it completely transforms. And actually everything matters. Everything matters. Every choice you make, every thought you have, every action that you take matters. And you are in charge of your choices as the soul.

55:12Yeah, so it's about having choice. You're not letting things affect you unless you want it to. You'll be honest at how it affects you, but you have the tools and the ability to meet it. it's not the idea that nothing can affect you is also a very transcendent spiritual ideal and there's also the high achiever version of it like oh i don't let this thing affect me it's like sometimes things affect me but the way i respond is more masterful than ever and so it it dissipates like a tai chi move instead of instead i would push back and now i just go like this do you think this is something that because i'm relating in this back in my mind to the stoicism approaches of like the obstacle is the way, the hard time is the only way.

55:53I kind of resonate with this message of like the more hard shit you go through, the easier life will become. I do really like this idea because we're comparing our experience based on our past experiences a lot of the time. And if we haven't gone... Which is a trauma response. It's a trauma response. I mean, yeah, we can label it that. I'm like teasing a little bit because we had a whole... Keep going. Well, I'm just trying to process this in my mind, but I'm thinking that there's this element of when you go through a certain challenge, it takes a challenge greater than that to be phased again.

56:34And so everything's relative to what we've experienced in the past. I wonder if you can access this level of calm nature that the stoics would explain about going through challenge and life getting easier i wonder if you could access it through becoming closer to source without going through challenge or do you feel like the challenge is what makes you want to deep dive into spirituality in the first place you know again everyone's on their own unique journey so uh from the high achiever lens if if you require challenge to grow you will create challenges to grow what you're looking for, you'll find.

57:17If that's what you think the answer is, you're going to... Put it this way. This is one analogy that might help explore the possibility that you can grow without having to have an Everest to climb every couple months. There could be a satisfaction of taking the Pradasha around Everest and that that's also fulfilling to take the walk around it. And you have satisfaction and you smell some of the roses along the way and you make love to your woman in the field and you, you know, sit and you have a moment of deep resourced stillness where your kidneys get recharged by the earth because you lay on the ground for a little bit, you have a nap, you enjoy your book and you've in somehow three sales closed without you having to do anything by the time you get back to the, you know, like.

58:01I love this. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have to climb Everest to do that. Right. So our subconscious will attract things into our life with equal power as our higher self. They both have equal power to co-create our reality. Our job is to come into the authority of the soul to listen to the natural current. The natural current of life is always smarter than our minds, our constructs, our frameworks around how reality should work or how we think it works. And it's the gradual process of getting more and more attuned to how it actually works. The ability to be with reality as it is, not how we want it to be.

58:40And when we do that, it's like, oh wow, that river, you could say surfing is a great analogy. Some of the best surfers, you're from Australia, Mike. This is a great analogy. Come on, let's go. So, you know, the best surfers aren't trying to paddle out every, they're just pushing themselves and they're trying to, the best surfers are waiting in the exact right location and are using precision and timing and effortlessness effort to catch the best waves.

59:11there's still effort and from the outside in it's like whoa how did the like a flow state right they entered the zone right there's sports analogy for the dow yeah well that's when you're when your nervous system is most relaxed during that uh theta state is that what it is a parasympathetic Theta, delta, beta, alpha, they all bring different types of flow, right? Different types of flow. But I'm not exactly sure which brainwave is when you're in that kind of sports flow state, if you will. But what I'm saying is that… The opposite of fight or flight, whatever that is. Right. Yeah. When you are fully regulated and your mind is not interfering, it's not interfering.

59:57It's not calculating. You are in, you become what's happening. And when you're in that state, you can access muscle memory. But when you're not in that state and you're tensed up and you're shocked and you're in this fight or flight state. I remember Salim Najjar was telling me that all of your muscle memory goes out the door. and if you look at these athletes that are taking the winning shot right and there's so much pressure on them and they swish it like it was nothing yeah in their mind it's another shot at practice right and they've shot 800 of these before this one shot so of course the shot was easy right um they're allowing them their their nervous system to be regulated uh in the chaos which is typically hard to do.

1:00:43Right. And this is what I call integrative spirituality. You asked if we can go too far with spirituality. Absolutely. I went completely down the way too much plant medicine, more than like five people in a lifetime. That kind of going into the jungle with the mystics in India, I've had that journey. But for me, it was about how could I integrate it into life? How could I actually make it make sense in my relationships, in the things that I wanted to create in the world, in how I could heal my body? Because I had a healing crisis when I was 22 that I had to heal myself from. It's like where spirituality goes too far is when you're disconnected from reality.

1:01:25But what also people call reality in the Western world is not necessarily reality either. So there's a middle path where spirituality is informing us of things that will help us become better versions of ourselves because we're aligning with our soul and we don't have to abandon our relationships. We don't have to become a renunciate to become a compassionate, more well-equipped, more regulated being. And that's really, for me, what integrated to switch away, switch away as bad. It's like, how do you take mysticism and make it grounded enough to make sense in our, in our, in our lived experience and our day-to-day lived experience?

1:02:06Do you think there's no coincidences? I think there's things that we call coincidence. I think there's, there's destiny. I think there's synchronicity. I love synchronicity as an, as a affirmation that you're on the right path, that there's, there's, you know, I call it for some people that are, that are newer to this or like following the spiritual breadcrumbs and you're like, oh, it's synchronicity. And you go around, all of a sudden you meet the perfect person for the perfect thing. And it unfolds effortlessly. Like you didn't have to climb Everest for that connection. It's like you have some kind of destiny with this being.

1:02:37You can feel there's a love between you. You met them once. You're like, I've known you forever. And it's not like a projection onto them. You're not like, ooh, you're this thing. You know, it's not like rosy glasses. It's like you feel a resonance and you know that they're supposed to be a part of your life and you're supposed to be a part of I think what people call spirituality and what it actually is is very different. There's a lot of frameworks. There's a lot of philosophies. There's a lot of different lineages. There's a lot of different ways that we could be more with reality or be less with reality.

1:03:06And you can use anything. You can use human design. You can use yoga. You can use ayahuasca. You can use any of it to come more into relationship with the truth of what is and the more of truth of how reality works. Or you can use it to try to escape reality. So spirituality is a double-edged sword just like anything. Just like money has its shadow and its light, just like any human being has their shadow and the light. Same thing with spirituality. Yeah. The coincidence pillar, when you speak to people, it's like there's no coincidences because everything's all meant to be. It's all, I guess the line I always use all the time is everything's perfect, divine, and right on time.

1:03:47And it's a freeing feeling because what comes with that is trust. That's it. And I think the trust is what is freeing. When we can just trust that it's actually meant to be. Like this didn't get pushed onto us for no reason. Right. Like we may not like the way it feels right now, but it doesn't mean it wasn't supposed to be presented to us. Right. And I like this idea of believing in that. And this is honestly why I think religion has such a big uptake is because it's allowing people to access trust. I'm not religious, and so I don't know specifically, but a common theme that I've felt is people being able to go, oh, it's God's plan.

1:04:38It's all part of the process. And so if you can access that feeling and the freeing nature that comes with that, however you want to access it, whether it's through any version of God that you believe in, source universe whatever it is some form of a higher power yeah being able to have this trust is the most freeing thing like i remember um you wouldn't have seen anything but all this drama went down and uh i was like most very spoken about news in australia for like a couple of weeks um getting flamed about something i said anyway uh i remember how calm i felt in the moment and when I was reflecting on it, the reason for the calmness is because there were so many synchronicities that lined up all around it.

1:05:26And it just gave me so much trust that everything's perfect and that's actually all meant to be. And it was this positive feedback loop of going, I feel so much trust in this process and that everything's meant to be. And the fact that I was not phased by what was perceived to be such a massive storm, it was a positive feedback loop that reminded me of fuck if i can go through this i can go through right that's what faith becomes is we see that in the moments that we doubted life still showed up that we were okay and we learned to like exercise that muscle over and over and over again well last time i felt like this i took the step into the unknown and it worked out you're building like trust in life is a type of faith that's why you're saying you're applying it to religion, I could say a lot about that.

1:06:13But I think you're onto something very accurate, which is parallel to my own experience, that the more that I trust life, the more that life shows up. And I also think that there can be a bypass-y version of it with spirituality and religion, where it's just like, oh, it was meant to be. And we use it to avoid self-responsibility or the impact of our choices, which is a slippery slope. And there's a balance of actually attuning to okay like i actually am fully trusting life in this moment and it's working out for that versus something's really challenging me and i'm using some kind of you know self-talk to to to to make it have some meaning that maybe it doesn't actually have it's like no you were wrong yeah yeah you fucked up you fucked up and maybe yeah there's consequences to that it's not divine i I mean, it's divine ultimately, but like, yeah.

1:07:05Yeah. And so maybe there's this element of taking it too far where you don't take any accountability. Bingo. And a level of introspection and reflection and inward looking needs to be had to be able to go, okay, did I do this with any malicious intent? No. Did I hurt anyone in the process intentionally or unintentionally? Did I? Have I learned from this? Because obviously it hasn't gone to plan. I'm still trusting that it's all meant to be. This failure was meant to be. But have I grown from this so I don't get put in this spot again? Like maybe I burnt a friendship and I don't want to burn friendships all the time.

1:08:00and maybe I can like live in this mental frame of this was meant to be but the reality is is if you don't learn from that you're going to just burn all your friendships and you're going to be fucking alone and so have I been able to grow from this thing that did not go to plan a and what am I changing based on those lessons to be able to be more aligned with my soul in service of others and not harming anyone else fuck if we could like just on board all of that during term of hardship i feel like that's a great spot to start it's it's very hard to trust when our trust is being stretched to the very edge of our you know our we're always going to meet a new edge if we're really committed to growth if we're really committed to the things that we say we want to create in the world we're going to hit new edges and i think that you've touched on some really awesome things to consider in that journey um trusting life is the one of the greatest gifts and challenges that we all have to face in our life dude i want to commend you i feel like i feel like there was this this unlock i don't know what i experienced up there before to loop it all back in don't know what's going on still a bit loopy to be honest i remember there was It actually hit me about 10 minutes into this conversation.

1:09:22I started getting a bit like, I'm a bit spaced right now. But it all kind of like came to me and it's interesting, very calm, definitely feel really good. And I think just having you bounce cool ideas and I feel like we came up with some really cool things today and I just want to commend you for all the work you're doing. I think it's amazing. Is there anything you want to share before we close out? Do you have a prompt or just general share? I've got no prompts, man. I mean, look, we covered a lot. I feel like I'm quite happy with it. It's an inspiring chat. And I think there's this underlying nature of what we've been talking about around, firstly, extreme agency and just taking ownership on what's been happening.

1:10:05And I think looping it back into that, like, let's not pull up a chair and sit down in these tunnels. I don't think it's serving you or anyone around you because it's not allowing you to show up as your best self. um but yeah i think we get uncovered a lot and it was um i think it navigated well and i thank you yeah all right so just to close on the the the dark tunnel thing is that you'll have to pass through dark tunnels but you don't have to do it alone like the third option is actually like finding someone that that's been through a dark tunnel and work and working with them because they can guide you from it.

1:10:42They can literally from the other side be like, hey, you're going a little too far left. Hey, you're going a little too far right. Okay, right there. See what that feels like? What's that right there? Okay, notice that feeling. That's more the truth of who you are, right? Stay there. But you still have to walk through the tunnel, but it's okay to have support. We don't have to do all of it alone. We just don't. And we're not meant to, in my opinion. Yeah, I love that. and just being able to have the humility to be able to seek out that help in the event that you need it and have the trust in in the fact that you can get help um so yeah thank you so much yeah thanks for having me on bro it's been it's been a pleasure thank you so much signing out and we'll see you guys very very soon bye bye hi ryan reynolds here for mint mobile are you looking for a beach read this summer may i suggest your big wireless bill it's got suspense mystery a slightly flat emotional arc and a shocking twist where you realize you've been overpaying the entire time.

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