In short
Savanna Stone argues that post-WWII “brutalist” architecture and a broader cultural decline have made environments uglier and colder, which she claims contributes to people’s lower self-respect, poorer grooming, depression, and less creativity. She links this to modern dating and feminism: she claims feminism has reduced women’s happiness while weakening marriage, birth rates, and the nuclear family. She also argues men and women are different (not equal in sameness), and that a strong Christian marriage requires polarity, submission, and “serving” a husband through encouragement and respect. She criticizes performative Christianity and claims hypocrisy (including elite abuse scandals) harms Christianity’s credibility.
Guest/host
Savanna Stone is the main speaker; Noah appears as her partner (mentioned as “Noah in the room” and as the “masculine side” of their content). No other guests are clearly introduced.
Key claims/examples
moving Florida to Arizona changed her “energy” due to cleaner, prettier surroundings; people in pajamas at airports/grocery stores vs 1950s “Sunday best”; museums and admiration for Marilyn Monroe/Jackie Kennedy as evidence beauty still matters; debates with feminists where she says they don’t know feminism; Proverbs 31 as a model wife; she references Epstein files and Luke 12:2-3 about hidden things revealed.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to the Discussion
0:00 to 0:45
Savanna and the host set the scene in a traditional home while introducing the theme.
“Savanna, we're sat in the living room of a 1950s traditional home.”
The Impact of Environment on Beauty
0:45 to 2:49
Savanna discusses how modern architecture affects people's self-image and behavior.
“And if a place is not beautiful, you can't expect the people around it to dress beautiful or take care of themselves.”
Shifts in Cultural Attitudes Toward Appearance
2:49 to 4:48
The conversation explores how cultural standards for dressing have shifted over the decades.
“So you walk into a grocery store, everyone's in their pajamas.”
The Role of Media and Brutalism
4:48 to 6:42
Savanna connects the influence of media and brutalism to people's lack of care for their appearance.
“Do you think that there's a new definition of beauty maybe or maybe what you're getting praised?”
Debates and Feminism Perspectives
6:42 to 9:21
Savanna shares insights gained from debates about feminism and how they have influenced her views.
“But the ones that are the most renowned are the ones that have these ancient things in them where you look at them and you can't explain it, but you just go, wow.”
The Exploration of Feminine Identity
9:21 to 12:18
Discussion about women's agency and the challenges of embracing femininity in modern society.
“They've kind of onboarded these beliefs not because they actually believe them.”
Navigating Masculinity and Femininity
14:00 to 16:40
Explore the dynamics of femininity and masculinity in relationships.
“And the reality is, is there's actually frankly a smaller portion of those men because we are creating a lot more weak men as well.”
The Challenges Women Face
16:40 to 19:48
Discuss the difficulties women encounter in pursuing their passions versus societal expectations.
“like I want women to work out of passion and desire, not out of survival and need.”
Empowerment Through Trust in Relationships
19:48 to 22:28
Examine the importance of trust and empowerment in marriage dynamics.
“If we tie it back into what we're saying earlier around being short-sighted with your view.”
Faith and Feminine Identity
22:28 to 26:18
Understand the role of faith in shaping feminine identity and marriage.
“And so, like, my ideal voting system would be a one-family vote.”
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Service and Marriage Dynamics
26:18 to 28:00
Analyze the value of serving one's husband within a marriage framework.
“And then he calls men to do certain things that women can't.”
The Importance of Serving in Marriage
28:00 to 29:55
Explore the value of serving one's husband and the dynamics of partnership in marriage.
“why is it valuable to serve your husband as a priority?”
The Role of Respect in Relationships
29:56 to 32:16
Discuss how respect and belief contribute to a man's success in relationships.
“They go to brunch with their girlfriends and they're constantly speaking negatively about their husbands.”
Performative Christianity and Hypocrisy
32:17 to 37:40
Analyze the issues of performative Christianity and its impact on genuine faith.
“Yeah, well, I think we see this on a few different scales because you have people in power.”
The Consequences of Living a Double Life
37:41 to 42:00
Consider the effects of hypocrisy on the individual and their spiritual journey.
“Because like I said, everything will always reveal itself.”
The Concept of Forgiveness in Christianity
42:00 to 43:35
Exploring the complexities of forgiveness and sin within Christianity, especially regarding severe offenses against children.
“Like I'm not, and it was even, and the context was that he was actively knowing he was sinning constantly and he had no desire to change that.”
The Role of Social Media in Faith
43:35 to 45:04
Discussing how social media influences personal faith and the need for constant realignment with God.
“I just think when you harm the children of God, you are directly disrespecting God.”
Navigating Relationships and Shared Missions
45:04 to 47:19
Examining the dynamics of working together in relationships to promote shared values and beliefs.
“I mean, there's ups and downs all the time.”
Challenges of Public Messaging
47:19 to 48:49
Addressing the fears and doubts that come with sharing a strong message publicly, including backlash and personal sacrifices.
“But at the same time, then I'll get messages on Instagram that are like, thank you.”
The Impact of Online Influence
48:49 to 51:16
Investigating the impact of social media on personal and public identity, along with the motivations behind content creation.
“Like if it means that I can have reached that level, I'm not sure if striving past that is worth the price tag.”
Symbolism of Hair Color and Identity
51:16 to 52:41
Delving into the symbolism of unconventional hair colors as a statement of identity and social commentary.
“And I think when you look at the people that are praising generally, and then you look at the people that are hating and you look at the lives of those people, you go like, I don't mind the people that are loving.”
The Influence of Social Media on Women
52:41 to 56:00
Discussing how social media messages affect women's behaviors and perceptions of societal norms.
“for people to be like stay away I did it now.”
The Influence of Social Media on Women's Perspectives
56:00 to 58:10
Explore how social media shapes women’s views and behaviors.
“Well, I think if a lot of these women just went off social media for a year, they would change their mind on a lot of things because they would be in real life.”
Real-Life Impacts and Healthy Boundaries with Social Media
58:10 to 1:00:01
Learn the importance of creating boundaries around social media use.
“You said that liberal men are lacking testosterone.”
The Value of Boredom and Creativity
1:00:01 to 1:02:30
Understand how boredom can foster creativity and personal growth.
“And so I have very strict boundaries around my phone.”
Finding Purpose Beyond Career Ambitions
1:02:30 to 1:06:06
Discuss the importance of prioritizing family and passion in life.
“They were explaining how if everyone lived in a state of creation, there would be no division.”
Balancing Passion and Family Priorities
1:06:06 to 1:10:05
Examine how women can integrate career ambition with family life.
“Do you think that all women deep down want that or do you think there's exceptions to the rule?”
Discussion on Savannah's Impact and Content
1:10:05 to 1:11:28
Explore the thoughtful insights on Savannah's messaging and its reception.
“Sadhana, I appreciate you coming on again.”
Discussion on Savannah's Impact and Content
1:11:44 to 1:11:59
Explore the thoughtful insights on Savannah's messaging and its reception.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Savanna, we're sat in the living room of a 1950s traditional home. Is a return to this the end goal of the Trab movement? Well, yes, because if you look at most homes today, they're extremely ugly, if we're just being honest, and that's a form of brutalism. All the buildings around us are uglier. Everything's very cold. The architecture is boring. If you walk in places like Europe, you see beautiful cathedrals, you see beautiful buildings, but they've done this on purpose in America where they've made homes uglier, less character. Like, look at this home. There's so much character here. But if you look at most modern homes, they're extremely cold and dull.
0:37Why? I think it's completely on purpose and it's translated into the way that people look as well. If you walk into the airport, everyone looks like they just rolled out of bed. They dress like they hate their lives. And if a place is not beautiful, you can't expect the people around it to dress beautiful or take care of themselves. So you think environment is extremely important for people to thrive? Absolutely. I mean, I can say this just from moving from Florida to Arizona. We were in a town that was very much boring. There was just buildings everywhere. It was a college town. It wasn't very clean.
1:12And then moving out here to Fountain Hills and Scottsdale, you see mountains, you see the sunset. The buildings are prettier. Everything is really clean and it completely changes your energy around it. But it's been completely on purpose to make people depressed, to make people disrespect themselves and dress in a way that isn't respecting themselves. And so, again, that's a form of brutalism and it's definitely very apparent in America. So when you say brutalism, what do you mean? So it's post-World War II architecture. So it was this idea of very industrial looking buildings, very like gray, boring, dull.
1:49And since then, everything has gotten progressively uglier. But people seem to think that things are looking more beautiful. Would you say that ugly and good looking is subjective? Or would you say that there's something rooted in old school things that look more beautiful than modern stuff? I would say the way that things are built. You see most buildings here, like a lot of homes are built so much cheaper now. These like modern box homes, it looks like a white hospital when you walk into it. We're paying way more for cheaper material for cheaper homes. And then if you look at the buildings, they're gray, they're dull, there's really no character to them.
2:26And like I said, if you walk around in Europe, you see cathedrals and beautiful architecture, but we don't really have that here anymore. I wonder how that transfers over into people in their lives now and how it makes them show up differently in the world. Do you know the correlation as to why you think this brutalism is making people in the world less creative, less of a spark, less alive? Well, your environment's extremely important, and whatever you're surrounded in, you're going to act like and look like. So you walk into a grocery store, everyone's in their pajamas. No one has any makeup on.
2:59No one brushes their hair. If you look at photos from the 50s, women are in dresses and heels just going to the grocery store. Men are in suits, and the environment was cleaner. Everything looked better. But now you can see that the environment's changed, and therefore the people have changed as well. Perhaps it's considered a generalization to think that things aren't beautiful now, but you're definitely right in the way that people are showing up. I wonder, is there anything else that comes into it apart from just ugly buildings? Like what are some of the other progressions that have happened since, say, the 1950s to now that are making people show up differently?
3:33Is there anything else aside from environment? I think just less respect for ourselves in general and the way that we show up and dress. And specifically for women, I think the idea of you can do whatever you want, dress however you want, and if it makes you happy, has made us just literally dress however we want. Comfortable or not, people are showing up in their pajamas to the airport and to the grocery stores. So why were they dressing up back then? I'm fascinated to know what's making people want to dress up back then. Was it to impress their husbands? Was their idea of success different? Or what's making people just slowly disregard their presence, I guess?
4:13Well, people dressing in the way that they do now is a sign of a defeated society. And I think with the political climate, I think with the way that society is completely decaying, people are naturally dressing that way. Maybe a lot of depression, maybe their moods, the environments changing their mood, the things that are going on, social media. and then back then the culture was very much different. It was you dress nice for church, you wear your Sunday best, you don't go in after Pilates to church. So it was a very different culture then and I think that we've just gotten so far away from that.
4:50Do you think that there's a new definition of beauty maybe or maybe what you're getting praised? Because if I think about beauty, I guess ultimately it's people praise beauty And so I feel like people aren't intentionally going away from beauty. Maybe just the definition of beauty is changing. Like surely people aren't trying to not be beautiful. Or do you think people are just not putting in any effort? I don't think people care. I think a lot of people just do not care about their appearance and they don't realize how important it is. Because as soon as you walk into a room, people are judging you on the way that you're dressed, on the way that you present yourself.
5:26Subconsciously, they're doing that. And so if I came in to this podcast with sweatpants on and a sweatshirt and no makeup and my hair not done, you'd be like, what are you doing? Do you not respect yourself? Do you not care about your appearance? And so I think people just have this idea of, well, I don't care what anybody thinks. I'm going to do me. I'm going to dress comfortable. I'm going to do whatever I want. And I do think that people just genuinely do not care about their appearance anymore. Do you think that's someone really responsible for that or something really responsible for that is the media and the messages that are being pushed down to kind of influence people?
6:02Is that what's... Absolutely. Yeah, definitely the media. And then again, going back to the brutalism, like the fact that everything, not everything, but most things look ugly. They don't look like they used to look and nothing is clean anymore. The streets are dirty. And so I think in turn, people dress like their society looks. Yeah. And even just thinking about this now, to prove that this is real, museums are a thing. Why would someone go to a museum if they weren't interested in what was in there, which is history? You're not going really. You're not really. It's very rare that, I mean, there's some museums that are quite modern museums and you're looking at modern art and creativity.
6:42But the ones that are the most renowned are the ones that have these ancient things in them where you look at them and you can't explain it, but you just go, wow. And so maybe even just by virtue of there being, museums and places around the world that people travel to just to frankly look at the beauty of the history shows that brutalism is in full force. Yeah, absolutely. And we admire the history. We admire Marilyn Monroe and the way that she presented herself and a lot of these older celebrities. I mean, even Jackie Kennedy and the way that she dressed. And we don't see that as much played out in our society anymore.
7:23You recently have gone on a couple of debates, which has been an interesting dynamic to see you in because last time we sat down, it was before all of that. It was probably only like four months after things really started taking off for you. And so there was a different nature back then. And it's been interesting seeing the progression with your understanding and deepening your understanding of the messages that you're preaching, as well as like being challenged and being able to hold your own really well. Do you find that these conversations that you're having with these people on opposing views, maybe the feminists, have you been finding that that's been strengthening your beliefs?
8:05or has it kind of broadened your perspective and opened your mind to other ways? Or have you found that having all these conversations with these other people have made you want to double down even more? It's definitely strengthened my beliefs and made me want to double down even more, like become even more educated on what I debate to debate different challenges that come up. But I will say on one of the debates I did, there was two women on the feminist side and we had like a little break in between the timer going off. and she was like, where did you learn all of this? Like, I'm really curious to know.
8:37I want to read the books that you've read. I want to learn about this because you could tell that she had no idea what feminism actually was. She just said she was a feminist because everyone says, well, it makes men and women equal. And so two of those women said something to me and I could tell that it sparked some curiosity in them. And so that makes me want to keep going even more because I'm like, okay, well, these women aren't very strong in their values and beliefs. They don't really know what to believe. They're believing whatever the media tells them and then regurgitating that on debates.
9:06But now it's like it's making them curious. And then I get DMs all the time of women being like, you know, I was super feminist. And then I read the books that you recommended. I watched your debates and I've completely changed my mind. So if I can continue doing that, then I'm going to keep going. See, there's a nugget in that. They've kind of onboarded these beliefs not because they actually believe them. It's just because what they think is right. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I'm going to try my best to not just be like a yes man to you and like agree with everything that you say. But at the same time, I think there is a lot of overlap with my views and I do resonate with a lot of stuff you say.
9:46But I think when we look at that, there's a surface level thing, which maybe they've heard it from someone or they have been like fed it through an algorithm. And then it's an echo chamber of just being reminded of all of that. And they just take it as gospel straight away. and not try and justify it and try and get to these like third level whys, perhaps maybe the way it's strong, what you're pushing, is because when they asked you to explain, you actually explain. For those sort of findings, a lot of the time they'll explain and then they'll just like try and pick apart something in your response that's got completely nothing to do with what you're trying to argue at.
10:23Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it's a big echo chamber. They'll all say the same things. The comments are always the same. The debates are always the same. And then, like you said, when I actually am explaining something or explaining the history of something, they'll bring up something that's not relative to that to try to circle your debate. And so these debates are very impactful because I think people can see both sides. And then when the other side is constantly bringing something up and not actually sticking on the topic, they're like, OK, well, these feminists aren't really educated on what exactly feminism is.
10:59They've just been told certain things in high school and in their history books or on the media and the news, and they've just listened to that and never actually done the research for themselves. Yeah, I would say there's one, there's a pastor I interviewed in LA, Erwin McManus, and he spoke about this concept, which the way he came to faith actually was he played the idea out at 100%. And so when I think about some of the things you're explaining there is maybe people haven't actually, they preach something, but they've not zoomed out the end outcome of what they're preaching. And imagined a world where you've taken the idea to 100%.
11:40Okay, if everyone in the world adopted this belief that I have, what would the world look like? Do I want to live in that world? And he was like, that's the reason how he came to Jesus was because he imagined a world at 100 % of people believing that. and he liked that world. And so he was like, okay, well, I'm going to believe that now because I know that the thing I'm preaching has actually got an outcome attached to it that I want. Perhaps there's a push here where people are preaching something because they think it's what they want, but they've not actually looked at what the outcome of that thing they're preaching is.
12:13And then it's something that they go, okay, actually, maybe I don't really want that world. Have you thought about the outcome of the message that you're preaching? And so the things you're pushing down, the things you're fighting against, the things you're dying on the hill for, have you thought about the outcome of what that is and what you're really trying to get out of the work that you're doing? Yeah, if 100 % of women did actual research on feminism or even took up some of the things that I say about marriage, their lives would flourish. They wouldn't be miserable. I mean, we see the paradox of female happiness.
12:46We technically have more freedoms than ever as women, but we're unhappier than ever. So it's like, what has feminism actually done? Because it's not made us happier. It's made marriage rates decline, birth rates decline, destroyed the nuclear family, made men really weak and passive in general. So what has been the goal of feminism if everything has just gotten worse? So if we flipped that around, well, marriages would heal. Women would be happier. They would be having children. They wouldn't be putting their careers first and being miserable because of that. And so, yeah, I think about that quite often.
13:17Like, what if every single woman believed this? It would change a lot of lives. Yeah, I was thinking about this earlier today. An aspect of it which is obviously very challenging, which is why I have major sympathy for the women that are struggling to adopt that belief, is it kind of removes their power. It removes their ability to be able to have agency on their life. because like say they adopt this belief of, oh, I'm going to have a man to be the provider and I'm going to lean to my feminine and I'm going to really try and like do what my soul really deep down wants. The problem with that is like they're leaving it at the mercy of finding a man that's going to be able to help slot into that life and live for them.
14:02And the reality is, is there's actually frankly a smaller portion of those men because we are creating a lot more weak men as well. How do you feel about navigating this? You've obviously been blessed. You've found someone quite young. For a woman that is struggling to find a man, to be able to allow them to lean into the feminine, do you blame them for wanting to lean into the masculine to create some sort of agency in their life? Well, there's a myth that it's a man's job to put a woman into her softness and into her femininity. And I don't believe that. I think that's actually quite entitled to say that it's a man's job to fully make me feel feminine.
14:43You can be feminine on your own as a woman, just like a man can be masculine on his own. He doesn't need a woman to make him feel masculine. Therefore, a woman doesn't need a man to make her feel feminine. And a lot of that comes from the art of surrender. And I'll be honest, my relationship with God has 100 % helped me become more feminine because I am surrendered to him every single day. Like, God, it's your will. It's not my own. And if women are constantly in control of their lives or they're constantly in survival mode, it's much harder to be feminine if you feel like you're the God of your own life.
15:15But if you have that relationship with Christ and he's leading you and you're surrendered to him, it's much easier to tap into your femininity. Do you think the problem with this, though, is we operate in a world that requires money a lot of time to transact and to be able to unlock the things that we want in our life. And earning money is quite a masculine thing to do. It's quite, you know, it can be quite challenging. The pursuit might be quite stress inducing and it might be a pursuit that unless it's filled with passion as well, it can really take you away from your femininity. And so before they find that man that brings them this ability to be able to lean in, to not have to stress about making ends meet, it kind of is this weird sticky position where they don't really know how to act and they go, well, at least if I lean to my masculine, then I can at least control something.
16:09At least I can control that. Do you think that's a sticky spot for people to be in? It can be, but I will say there's times that you're going to have, as a woman, you're going to have to lean into masculinity, just like men sometimes have to lean into femininity, Like men being surrendered to God, that's a very feminine thing to surrender and submit to God. But with women, I would say, and I tell my girls in my community this all the time, find something that you're passionate about and make that your ultimate goal. because you say this all the time, like I want women to work out of passion and desire, not out of survival and need.
16:43And that passion of theirs could make them a lot of money. And so if they can find that career that they're passionate about, that they actually desire and they're making money from it, I think it's very easy to also be feminine in your career. I would say that it's hard if you are looking traditionally in terms of not traditionally as in the 950s, but traditionally is in terms of the routes that they have and the options that they have available to them leaving school, for example. Because I guess if you're getting flooded in this idea of what success looks like, which is maybe going against deep down what you want, but you're getting flooded with this idea of success and what you're going to get praise for, whether it's go to college or whether it's go get this job or study to do this thing, maybe you can probably box yourself in and be like, it's hard to find passion in this thing.
17:35Like, it's like, it's like, if I go and try and find passion this way, I'm not going to get any support or praise from anyone because they're going to think I'm not taking this life seriously. And so I feel like there is this challenge for women. I genuinely feel for that battle because for men, it's, it's easy. It's like, get jacked, make money. Like, it's a pretty easy path. It's like, you get jacked and you make money. You, you pretty much like the character you build on the, in the journey of getting jacked and making money brings you patience. It brings you, you know, a stoic nature and all of these things that are probably attractive in a person.
18:10So it's a bit easier for us. But I feel like for the women, it's like they're wrestling because we can just put our back against the wall and put ourselves through all the stress and go, go, go, go, go. But the women are just, I wouldn't know what to do. I would be stuck personally. Yeah, it's hard because women want to be praised and adored. and if they're being praised to go to college and get into a career that they don't really enjoy but then they want to take this other route maybe do something more flexible or go the entrepreneurial route or get married really young they're not going to get praised for that and so it's much harder to choose that route because you're not getting the praise for it and women need that validation like we just do biologically so you know i have a lot of women that'll come to me and say i want to get married at 18 i've been dating my boyfriend for four years like but my family hates that idea.
18:57Like they want me to go to school. They want me to go to law school after that or med school or whatever it is. And it's like, well, how do I navigate this? Because this is what I actually want is to get married and then work something more flexible and then be a stay-at-home mom. And it's like, there's risk taking with every single decision. Noah and I didn't get all the praise in the world for getting married at 18 and 21. Like I was told I needed to go to school and have a college degree before I got married, but I took that risk. And you know what, two years later, my family's come back to me and been like, I'm so glad you made that decision because look at the beautiful life that you guys have.
19:29And so there's going to be risk-taking with everything, but there's a lot of risk to go down the path that you hate. There's a lot more risk, I would say, in going down the path that you hate. Maybe it's going to school or law school or whatever versus the path that you actually want, because then you're going to be stuck in a life of misery and something that you actually didn't want just to people please the people around you. Yeah. If we tie it back into what we're saying earlier around being short-sighted with your view. You're thinking about living it up in your 20s, but you're not thinking about living it up in your 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
20:02You can think about living it up in your 20s, but then when you're 35 and not fertile and all you want to do is have children. Like now you can really start to see how people can live in that bit more of a victim lens because they actually don't even have any other option because I can't even have the kids because I've left it too late. So perhaps maybe there's an underlying message and an outcome that you'd be trying to achieve, correct me if I'm wrong, but giving people and these women empowerment to be able to know that there's another route and it doesn't need to be exactly what you're being preached and being praised for.
20:40Yeah. I think, you know, growing up from the time I was a toddler, it was like, what do you want to do for your career? Do you want to be a doctor? Do you want to be a lawyer? Do you want to be a teacher? Like, why are we telling three-year-old girls that? Why are we not dressing them in princess dresses and showing them Disney movies? It's always been so career focused since I was a toddler. And I know that for so many other women. And so, of course, you're going to grow up thinking that your career is the most important thing and that you should put off marriage and put off family and having kids.
21:10but in reality a lot of these women get to their late 20s early 30s and they're like man I really really should have focused on finding a husband or creating a family because what am I going to do for the next 50 years like just have me and my cats and my laptop and my career and then be alone so it's it's definitely something to think about I think the younger that you can start on the things that you actually want the better off that you're going to be hmm what's something in your view that that combats the belief of and the challenge women have of of feeling like they're giving their power away because you know there's a message even you know to the extremes of you know talking about the views we said last pod about um not thinking that thinking women shouldn't vote there's a there's a struggle with like uh but i'm competent why can't i make decisions on my own accord like why can't i do this why can't i contribute why How can't I do what the men are doing?
22:10Can you share your thoughts on why you think it's powerful to be able to give that trust in men? Or just, I guess, elaborate on your view of that as a whole to help women understand your view on why you think that's powerful? Because there's nothing more powerful than a marriage. You're one flesh with your husband. And so, like, my ideal voting system would be a one-family vote. So my husband and I would vote together. one vote, one household, one vote. And I mean, traditionally, like the husband would ultimately decide. But again, like I believe that a wife and husband should have the same political views, the same religious views.
22:49That's how the marriage works. That's how you're going to raise your kids a certain way. And so I don't think it's giving up your power. I think we're a little bit too obsessed with the words power and empowerment and like having this tyranny over men or feeling like we're the exact same as men. And women don't really respect that polarity anymore. They don't understand that they're completely different and they're so uniquely made that they want to be exactly like men. They want to make the same decisions that men make in order to feel equal to them. But we're not equal. We're completely different.
23:21And so you are not powerful because you're not a man. You have different unique gifts and talents that you can contribute. What's making women get annoyed at this idea around men and women aren't equal? You know, I think a lot of it is feminism because the whole goal of feminism is that men and women are the exact same and therefore should be treated the exact same and do the exact same things and not be different. But that's completely false. We're not equal. Like we have the same value, obviously, but equal as in sameness. were completely different. And if we actually respected our differences and started to contribute instead of compete with one another, that would save a lot of relationships.
24:06That would save a lot of women from this sort of man-hating ideology that they have. But yeah, they're constantly competing with men. You see it all over social media. It's like, yeah, we made more money than all the guys in the gym today. It's like, why does it matter? Just do your thing. And then when it comes to marriage, a lot of women are competing with their husbands, whether it be financially or they think that they're smarter than their husbands and constantly want to go before them. And it's like, what do you think that does to a man? A masculine man doesn't want to be told what to do by you.
24:37He doesn't want you to compete with him. He just wants you to be his piece. Yeah. And I think that the challenge with that, if we tie it into the problem that I see being faced is you have women making more money now and striving towards this life but then they all desire men that are doing better than them as well and then you have the men that are being told that they should not be so hard and they should be easy on themselves and they're not really striving as much anymore and especially in cultures like Australia they They actually don't even feel like they can because they're getting like judged for trying to do something new.
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25:19And so they kind of like play it safe. So then all of a sudden you have like this massive pool of women that want like this small pool of men. But then all the other men that aren't in that small pool of men are not desired by any women. So then there's more men that are alone and there's more women that are alone. And then it's all just a bit of a mess, I guess. For you, I'm fascinated to dive into the religion piece and where your relationship with God and Christianity ties into this whole message and how you use that as your compass to dictate your actions. What are some of the key things that you find your faith does for navigating this dynamic masculine-feminine marriage relationships and that area of life?
26:03Yeah, well, it's my foundation. and when you have a relationship with Christ, you know that he made women completely different from men and that he calls women to be different from men and to have these certain traits and to do these certain things in society that men can't. And then he calls men to do certain things that women can't. And when you respect that polarity and respect those differences, you become so much more appreciative of who God created you to be. And then I would say with marriage, knowing that God has placed this amazing leader in my life to lead me. And if I trust God, well, I'm going to trust the man that he's placed in my life to lead me.
26:41And I'm going to be a respectful wife, a submissive wife. And my husband is going to have that sacrificial love to where he would lay down his life for me. And if you don't have that as a foundation in a marriage, I think it's really hard to navigate, okay, what are my character traits in this marriage? How am I supposed to serve my husband? How can I be the best wife? And if you have that foundation, if we're talking about even like the Proverbs 31 woman, that's a great reference for how to be an amazing wife. It is literally, the Bible is literally the guidebook for how to be an incredible wife and how to be an incredible husband and also how to show up as a woman in society.
27:19What's the Proverbs 31 woman? It's basically a chapter in Proverbs about a woman who wakes up early. She provides for her household. She makes goods and she sells them. So she has a career, but it's very family focused. She serves her husband. She dresses him in fine linen. She's the crown of her husband, meaning when he is out in public and they see his wife, they know that his wife respects him and that she loves him. And so then it lifts up the husband even more because a reputation of the husband is only as good as his wife speaks about him. A big challenge that I've found in the comments from our last episode is, and just all of this topic as a whole, is women struggle to understand and probably even potentially me, I struggle to understand entirely around why is it valuable to serve your husband as a priority?
28:17Why is that such a valuable thing? Because I think that in itself makes people and women really mad and upset around like, my job's not to serve my husband. Why is that so important? Yeah, they'll serve a boss that asks them to make coffee and pays them 40k a year. You know, they'll do anything that he says, right? Yeah, I mean, my husband can't be the performer that he needs to be if I'm not the woman that he needs. and if he's not the man that I need, then I can't be the woman that I need to be for him. So it's a cycle in a marriage. I don't understand why women get so upset with this idea of serving their husband because why would you get married in the first place?
29:01Is your job just to like be there and lay around and do nothing for him? Or is your job as a wife to build him up into a man that he couldn't become on his own? And so I would say me serving my husband, being his encourager, his nurturer, cooking him a nice meal, cleaning the house so that he has a clean home to come home to. It only makes his life better and makes his job easier and then makes our marriage better in return. How does it make the woman's life better by doing all of those things? Because he's able to provide for me better. He's got a clearer mind. He can do what he needs to do and not be focused on all the other mundane tasks.
29:38and a woman's words are so important to building a man into who he needs to become. And so many women don't realize that the words that they say to their husband is either going to tear him down, ruin his reputation, ruin his life, or it's going to build him into a man that he couldn't become on his own. And so when I say serving your husband, it's not just serving him a meal every night and cooking him something, but it's this idea of constantly encouraging him and uplifting him, which a lot of women don't realize is so important to the man. I mean, they even go out in public. They go to brunch with their girlfriends and they're constantly speaking negatively about their husbands.
30:16But what do you think that does to him? Because now when we're in public, everyone's going to be looking at my husband and knowing that I don't respect him. Therefore, they're not going to respect him. And men need respect like they need water. Yeah. If I tie it back into just the way I feel and the things that women do to me that make me light up, it does tie into respect, support, and belief. Like having belief in the decisions that I'm making are the right decisions. Like I don't want them to make me question my decisions. Unless there's things where like the women have these spider senses that are really good, like the intuition and stuff.
30:58But like I don't want her to question my logical decisions that I'm making. I like her to go, I trust you and I trust your judgment and I feel good about that. And I guess it's not that I'm always right. But I think when there's something that I'm passionate about doing or I have conviction in doing, there's a liberating feeling I get when the woman in my life believes in me for whatever that is and goes like, you're going to crush it. Yeah, it's natural. When you say it's natural, what do you mean? Biologically. Yeah. Yeah. What about the people that are onboarding Christianity into their life, but not really living in that way?
31:43They're performative Christians. That makes people mad too. It makes some Christians mad. And then it makes, obviously, the people that aren't, that people that, it just makes people that are just sinning all day really mad too sometimes. What are your thoughts on people that are onboarding God in their life, projecting and presenting that they are a believer and they're having God as their compass, but then they're not really acting in that way? Yeah, well, I think we see this on a few different scales because you have people in power. You have the elites that are saying that they're Christian to cover up the heinous crimes that they're doing behind the scenes.
32:28And then when we're talking about social media, Christianity is very popular right now. And the content is going viral. And if you see that, well, of course, you're going to want to speak about Christianity because you know the content's going viral. You know you're going to get a ton of followers from it. And what we're seeing kind of play out now is people are living a double life. They are presenting themselves one way on social media, but living a completely different way behind the scenes. So I think we have to have discernment with who we're following. But it frustrates me because it gives Christianity a really bad rep.
33:02When you see people preaching something like the rules apply for thee, but not for me sort of attitude. it makes people look at Christianity and think, well, everyone's just a hypocrite. So why would I even want to be a Christian? But I believe that everything will be revealed. Luke 12, 2 through 3 says nothing that is hidden will be unknown. Nothing that is covered will not be revealed. And everything that is spoken about in the dark will come to light. So these people that are performing Christianity, using God for selfish reasons, I think it's all going to be revealed in due time. But I would rather someone be an atheist and completely godless than say that they know God and not actually do anything that he says or actually be a real Christian.
33:47I think that's a really dangerous place to be in. Yeah, I can see how that would be annoying for Christians that are really doing their best to obey God just because you're trying so hard and you know the power that it has placed in your life and the people around you's life. and then you see people that are performative and it takes people away from God and further away like I look at it and and those interactions pull me further away and then ones that people that are radiating light and that are fully energetic and that I just see that like I don't even know that they're Christian but I see them light up and then when I ask them why they lit up they go God and I go what those people bring me so close yeah and people that are like so happy and bubbly and excited and you can just tell that they're radiating this new light and I see that and that brings me closer and then you see the ones that are making the most noise um and they're not even showing up in that way yeah you know I wrote a poem about it because I was experiencing this woman who uh frankly like was just getting around everywhere and one of my friends like slept with her two hours after meeting her and she had bible verses on her wall and um and like i made this poem they weren't mad they were mad about it around like i put your word all over my wall then turn off the lights and open my legs for a guy and i'm just like i'm just like dude like what's the point of all of it and um i actually was having a conversation with chat to you about this earlier today, and we collaborated on an essay.
35:28I'm going to read it to you. We don't have a Christianity problem. We have a performative Christianity problem, an integrity problem, because there is a difference between believing in Jesus and using Jesus. There is a difference between falling short and settling there. I'm not talking about struggling. Every human struggles. Temptation is real. Desire is real. Weakness is real. Christianity was built on the fact that we are imperfect, but there is a dangerous shift happening where grace becomes permission, where believing God forgives me becomes a safety net you intentionally jump into. Where someone says they're a Christian, but there is no evidence of transformation.
36:08Not perfection, transformation. There's no fight, no discipline, no attempt to change. If I say I follow Jesus, but my life looks identical to someone who doesn't, what exactly am I following? Sometimes people use Jesus like a therapist they never intend to listen to. They feel convicted. They feel forgiven. Then they go back to their same life. That's not surrender. That's self-soothing. Grace isn't permission to say the same. It's power to change. And I respect the person who actually lives what they preach, not perfectly, but consistently. because if your faith doesn't produce growth, you're not following Jesus, you're using him.
36:46That's really good. And to add to that, the grace piece. Western Christianity has become very individualistic, meaning I'm going to do what makes me feel good and God will forgive me. But if you actually love God, then you would obey him because Christianity isn't supposed to be this super easy life where you do whatever you want and then God forgives you. It's a sacrifice. it's waking up every single day and choosing to not listen to your flesh like it says in the bible we should die to our flesh daily meaning we have to wake up and intentionally not fall into those desires and not fall into those temptations and though we may i mean none of us are perfect obviously we make mistakes every single day but when you're living one life online or you're living it in public and you're doing something completely different and private it's an abomination to Christianity.
37:40What do you think it does to those people? How do you think it makes them feel? I think it rots your soul. And it's been so important for me to show up online exactly as I am in person, no matter what kind of scrutiny I get, because I'm not going to be doing one thing on social media and then doing something completely different behind the scenes. Because like I said, everything will always reveal itself. The truth will always come out. And if you're living a lie in public, but you're living something different in private, it's going to eat at you. You can't keep that up for too long. Yeah, it's being liked for someone that you're not.
38:18It's like chasing validation, but you're chasing validation, but the validation that you'll be getting is for someone that you're not. so even if you're getting validation it may feel good when you hear it but then when it sits with you it'll just feel hollow yeah and you will not be able to sleep at night it's better to just be able to rest your head on your pillow and know that you have integrity than to be living a double life yeah it just makes me think around like what's the point and you know i'm not i'm not religious yet and I say yet because I've just been deep diving into it I can't disregard how much of an impact it's made on so many people's lives and people that I really respect but I just think there's something in it around if you're going to do something fucking do it say what you can do and like do it and do what you say and then follow follow through on that and I think if we think about this confidence piece and the way that we show up in the world.
39:24And even if we tied into the way that I see true Christians show up in the world and how they radiate light, they're showing up in a way that they mean. And I think that's what matters because when we think about the energy that goes through the world and the way that we feel things that we can't really describe, it shows that there's something connected in all of this. And if you are showing something that's not actually you, people are going to feel it. Always. And as you said before, you were saying the truth reveals. Yeah, it always says, even if we're not talking about Christianity, even if we're just talking about authenticity in general, the people that try to copy other influencers, I see it all the time.
40:03There's people that try to copy me and create my exact content or copy you or copy someone else I know. And it's like, why can't you show up as yourself? Just be authentic to you. Because eventually people are going to realize that that is not you that's showing up. and it's going to eat at you, and eventually people are just going to completely fall away from you because they know that you're a fraud. You said earlier that you see the massive people in power say that they're Christians and their actions maybe don't reflect that. What do you mean by that, and what are you saying? So if we're speaking about the elites and a lot of politicians, they will say that they believe in God, but then they're doing heinous crimes behind the scenes.
40:48I mean, specifically if we're talking about the Epstein files, they'll use Christianity as a band-aid to hide what they're actually doing. And I think that that's the worst abomination to God that you can do. What discoveries about the Epstein files are you referencing? Oh man, there's a lot. But a lot of these people, a lot of the elites in the Epstein files say that they're Christian and they're doing things to children and women that is definitely not of Christianity, definitely not Christian values. And if anyone is harming children, you are not going to the kingdom of heaven. You are not a Christian.
41:27And you're not allowed to use that label as a band-aid to what you're actually doing. So if we tie that into the nature of how God forgives and no one's perfect and you can find God at any phase in your journey. Can things go too far? You know, if someone does that, is there any going back? You know, I think a pastor, a theologian would be better at answering this, but I think there are things that you can do to where you are too far gone.
42:02specifically if we're talking about harming children in that way murdering eating raping trafficking children i don't think that you can ever be saved by god because you are worshiping the devil and you've sold your soul if you can do that yeah i wish i could recall the conversation uh Bryce Crawford interviewed 6ix9ine, Tekashi 6ix9ine, and he said that he's not going to heaven and he was explaining that like I'm too far gone. Like I'm not, and it was even, and the context was that he was actively knowing he was sinning constantly and he had no desire to change that. And he was like, I can't be helped.
42:53I've gone too far. I keep messing him up. And I just wonder if you look at someone that believes in God, worships God, but then has zero desire to change. It makes me wonder if we hear things like taking things too far and you can step over lines, It makes me wonder how strong that like, forgive me for my sins message is in Christianity. If there is a line, if it's not like he loves everyone. It's hard to answer. And like I said, I'm probably not the best person to answer this because I don't think a pedophile can ask for forgiveness and go to heaven. I just think when you harm the children of God, you are directly disrespecting God.
43:41But if we think of things like, I don't know, the everyday mistakes that you make, then yeah, there is grace there, of course. And I think a really good way to know that if you have a relationship with Christ is if you're feeling conviction. If you're not feeling conviction, well, how close are you to God? Do you actually listen to anything he says? Or are you just doing whatever you want and then asking for forgiveness to kind of cover everything up? Yeah, that would just tie into the performative Christianity case. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, you can believe in it, but really, what are you actually doing about that belief?
44:13And how is that rubbing off on you, I guess? Has there been anything since you've started the social media journey and since you've been on this path, has there been anything that has brought you further away from God you've had to realign? Is there any moments in the last 12 months that have made you fall off track? You know, I think that social media has brought me closer to God because I've needed Him more than ever. and why so um you know to to stand strong on my beliefs to have that foundation because if i didn't have that foundation i'd probably go crazy and to have that peace about my life and the way things are going and to constantly say god if this is not your will like pull me away from this but if it is then help me to run this race and so having that as my foundation has been extremely important to this career.
45:05I mean, there's ups and downs all the time. And so knowing that he's in my corner and that he's got my back is encouraging to keep going. Yeah. And for the relationship aspect of your life, obviously we have Noah in the room here. Every time we speak on the phone, there's like a nature of like, I want to get Noah involved. I want to do this together. I want it to be the stones. I wanted to do this. What's this desire for you to want to, you know, do the, the similar mission and, and push the message of pushing together as opposed to just, just, just one. Like what's this, this nature in you that's making you want to have that in your life?
45:49Well, he's such an excellent communicator. He doesn't give himself enough credit, but I think he'd be incredible at speaking about masculinity. And so like having him as the masculine side of things and then me as the feminine side. So like men can watch his page for masculinity advice and mine for femininity. So we've talked about it every now and then. But yeah, he's an incredible communicator. And I think that he's got a lot of great ideas. He inspires a lot of the content that I post. It's just from us having conversations at dinner about kind of what's happening in society and like where women are falling short and where men are falling short.
46:24and so I think he'd be incredible at it I don't know if he'll ever go down that route but he would be great at it there's been a lot of message recently at least from what I've seen from people like Andrew Tate and people that are pushing quite strong beliefs where they've gotten to a state where they actually want to back off a bit and they feel like a level of helplessness where they go I actually can't help these people and so the more I push the more it's actually just hurting my life frankly and it's not actually doing any good um and it's weird seeing that in the way that it's delivered as well it's like from a nature of like if i speak anymore i'm gonna die and it's quite it's quite like so like what's the point sort of thing i've got kids i've got a family i've got i've got people that look up to me and and that want me here and i'm pushing this message thinking it's the good fight but i don't know if i can win and they're like kind of backing off a little bit yeah do you ever fear that with your message and the the thing that you're doing have you ever questioned like is this going to get too much and too far every single day i have the same question and doubt in my head every single day of well what if i would have just been like a wellness influencer or like what if i would have just posted like cute marriage content and never gone down the feminism rabbit hole like my life probably would have been easier in the sense that I wouldn't have to worry about crazy blue-haired leftists attacking me every single day.
47:59But at the same time, then I'll get messages on Instagram that are like, thank you. Like, you've really saved my marriage. You changed my ideas on everything. You've gotten me closer in my relationship with God. And so if I can keep doing that, well, then it's worth the sacrifice. And it's really, you know, I think when you have a really, really strong message, you have that responsibility of everything that comes with that territory, the hate, the pushback, the I'm going to show up at your door and kill you. I hope you're infertile. You just kind of have to deal with that and take it to the chin because you're on a mission.
48:34And if God has called me to this, then I don't want to disappoint him. I don't want to disappoint him and him giving me these ideas and these thoughts and the ability to speak them clearly. Why would I go back on that just because I'm scared of the pushback? I think about this piece in my life around calm and it's probably something more in the last couple of months I've just been craving of like going if things going to sacrifice my peace and my calm I'm not sure if I want to pay the price and I don't know it might just be a phase it might be a phase where it's you know I'm just going like, if it means that I can impact the world, change lives, be fulfilled, have an awesome family, have enough money to do whatever I want for and provide for everything.
49:25Like if it means that I can have reached that level, I'm not sure if striving past that is worth the price tag. And I've been like thinking about it a lot because I just go like, what's the actual reason as to why I'm striving? And maybe taking that Earl McManus approach of like playing this out and going, okay, like do I want the outcome of that and there's something weird about the social media piece where I I don't I don't actually I don't actually know like I don't know if it's the I don't know if it's the thing like getting to that level um is something that's going to make my life any better respectfully and maybe there's like a matter of where it goes okay like so now I'm doing it solely for the for the fight of like making the world better and and and being like extremely selfless to the point where you're going, okay, like my life's actually fundamentally worse by doing this, but I'm just going to do it anyway.
50:17Does that ever cross your mind or am I the only sicko that's thinking? No. And like I said, it crosses my mind every single day. I'm like, man, I could have probably made way more money, way less hate, just been a wellness beauty influencer, done whatever. But at the same time, the sacrifice is rewarding because of the impact. and if I'm posting on social media and no one's getting any value from it, it's not changing their lives, it's not making any sort of impact in their lives, then what's the point? What's the point of just making money on social media? I don't need the money. I just need to make impact and I need to get my voice out there and my message out there.
50:55But it does cross my mind every single day. So I don't think you're a sicko. I think that's something that probably goes through every person that has a message on social media and they're getting pushback for it. It's like, why would I do this? Why wouldn't I just play it safe and just not have any haters and work at a coffee shop and or post very safe content and not have any brand deals revoked from me? But it's so worth it for the impact. Yeah. And I think when you look at the people that are praising generally, and then you look at the people that are hating and you look at the lives of those people, you go like, I don't mind the people that are loving.
51:31I actually kind of like their life and the people that are hating. I don't really want blue hair and I don't really want a septum piercing respectfully. Um, and I don't want my, I certainly don't want my partner with blue hair and a septum piercing. So like, I kind of look at that and I go, you do you, man. Like you do your thing. Like, have your blue hair or your green or whatever's uglier. Like, do whatever you want and, like, go live your life. Like, go get it, girl. Like, go for it. Awesome. But equally, like, you're not going near me. Like, I'm not interested, respectfully. Why do they have blue hair?
52:07Like, I'm changing with the intrigues. Wait, okay. Like, why do they have blue hair? What's your thoughts? So, you know how the poisonous frogs are really bright colors? to like
52:24because you know if the predators
52:35it's to ward off predators so they dye their hair these bright colors for people to be like stay away
52:50I did it now. That's totally my theory. Wow. We've actually just dumbed it down to critically thinking. That's awesome. Wow. Wow.
53:07Okay. So that makes sense because if they made themselves look presentable, then they would get attention and they would have to say no more actually no no one if because if they made themselves presentable and they still had that view so maybe what they're trying to do is they're going like i am so in an echo chamber of this like this like indoctrination of this life that i don't like and i'm getting out of it's incredibly hard like i getting i don't know how i'm going to get out of this so if i just make my hair blue and and i put piercings in places they're probably not supposed to be, then maybe I'm not going to have to rebuttal.
53:47I'm not going to have to face the controversy because everyone's just going to call me a meme. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Poisonous frog. Stay away. But do you remember the 4B movement? No. So it was after Trump was elected into office and all these women started shaving their hair so that they were ugly. And so that no men would want to be with them. And they said, you know, we're just going to be celibate. We're going to shave our heads. so no men are around us because we don't have rights anymore. You know, our rights to kill our offspring are being taken away. So we're just going to abstain from sex completely.
54:18And they shaved their heads. So it's the same thing with the blue and pink and purple and green hair. It's like ward off predators, no men around. Hmm. There. So that actually happened. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. They were on TikTok with just buzzing their hair off. Like complete mental illness. Someone gets elected and you shave. Your head. See, I wonder, like, I actually wonder if we think about the implications of that in the world. Because the fact that you're speaking about it means it got a lot of exposure and a lot of views. Oh, yeah. And I wonder how many women that don't have an audience that don't make videos actually went, yeah, that's right.
55:01Oh, these videos had like a million likes, 500 ,000 likes. Yeah. Reposts. Yeah. And so I guess I can't help but think why is that being presented? Why are we seeing that? The algorithms can control anything they want. Why are we seeing? I didn't see it, thank goodness. Probably because I wasn't on TikTok. But if I saw that, I probably would have had to go touch some grass straight away. Yeah, no, you do. I would have had to probably switch my phone off for a week and just send a message to all my loved ones and be like, I'm good. I just need to take a couple of deep breaths. like if I saw that to be honest and so the fact that it's getting pushed out it just makes me worry around around like the messages that people are receiving and how that's influencing their decisions and if it's taking them further away from the core of what they want maybe what our biology streaming and I mean that's a scary rabbit hole that I don't think we should go into today to be honest.
56:05Well, I think if a lot of these women just went off social media for a year, they would change their mind on a lot of things because they would be in real life. They would see how men and women operate. They would see that not everyone's out to get you. Not everyone's trying to take your rights away. The Trump derangement syndrome is just online and you don't need to be shaving your head because someone was elected into office. But when you are an average 18-year-old, I mean, heck, even like 36-year-old woman, and you're scrolling on TikTok and Instagram all day, and all you're seeing is propaganda that is designed to poison your mind with radical feminist ideology, then of course you're going to act that way, because that's all you do is scroll through the media.
56:45You have no real-life experiences. You have no stable man in your life. You're kind of just sleeping around with everyone. You're not surrounded with the write women as well. And then you're going home and scrolling. So of course they're propagandized because that's all they see. Do you think the men are propagandized as well? No, not as much. I would say like extremely far liberal men for sure. But I think that they're also lacking testosterone. But then, you know, you have to realize that men are much more logical than women. And so the feminist movement, you know, there was no masculinist movement.
57:20There was a feminist movement in order to propagandize women because they knew that women were the easier target because we are more emotional. And that's how the left is targeting all these women through emotional propaganda because they see all these videos online. They're like, oh, that's so sad. You know, they're getting deported. Their family's being separated. And it's like that was fake. That was not a real headline. The five-year-old that was taken by ICE, it's because his dad left him and ran away. So what are they going to do, leave the five-year-old by himself? But the women don't understand that because all they see is the emotional piece of, oh, my gosh, this five-year-old was left, but they don't read the full context.
57:57And if you're a man, you're probably like, well, I wonder why they took the five-year-old. Let me read the full story and see why they took him. And oh, yeah, his dad and mom left him. So he was by himself. Yeah. And we need to unpack this. You said that liberal men are lacking testosterone. What makes you think that? So what's really interesting, it just came out in the Epstein files that the elites were purposely trying to lower testosterone in men so that men can't fight back and men can't revolt against everything that they're doing. So obviously they were putting estrogen in the water. They're making men very passive and weak through social media.
58:47They're telling them, oh, your masculinity is toxic and you should actually just be super soft and sweet all the time and gentle and never fight against anything. and we've had conversations about this, but it's to cover up the things that they're doing. Because if every single man had the mindset of, no, our job is to protect women and children, no matter what, they would not be getting away with the things that they're getting away with. And earlier you were talking about how if women deleted social media for a year, their life would change dramatically, their perspectives would change. Obviously your life, at least from what people see is very online, very public.
59:25You're posting every day or every other day. You're on social media a lot. What are you doing in your life to be able to tap into real life and not get so consumed by what you see online? Well, I think there's a difference in being a creator and a consumer. And so I'm very careful with how often I'm actually consuming social media because it makes you depressed. It makes you compare yourself to everyone, especially as a woman. Now there's AI influencers of these perfect women who are not actually real. And so now we're comparing ourselves to them. And then you have the propaganda that's coming with it.
1:00:01And it's telling women how to think. And so I have very strict boundaries around my phone. So some tangible tips that I can give women is I don't go on my phone for like three hours in the morning. That is my time alone. And then at the end of the day, my phone's off around 6 or 7 p.m. It's time with my husband. So the majority of my time on social media is creating things. It's never to go on there and consume content. And so I think a lot of people that just consume, consume, consume, they're turning off that creative process in their brain. And same thing with creators. Like if you're constantly consuming things and you're never bored and you're never in silence, then you're only taking ideas from other people.
1:00:40You're not actually getting them from yourself. So the more boredom that you can create in your life, the better. Like learn how to sit in silence or read a book or watch a two-hour podcast to fix your short attention span of seven seconds. I think that's extremely important. And then something that's been a priority for me is creating in-person community. So not just community online, because I do have that, but hosting meetups with the girls in my community and meeting them in person. Like I'm going to grab coffee with one of the girls next weekend who's coming to Scottsdale and prioritizing having people in real life because we're built for human connection but we've lost that and so many women are like lacking that community around them either it's all online or their community just isn't that great or they're not surrounding themselves with the women that they need to be surrounded with so prioritizing that is so important yeah the uh the aspect around uh creating boredom it's like removing the noise.
1:01:40Yeah. Like we're constantly just distracted. That's why shower thoughts are a thing. Yeah. I was going to say that. Like people are like, well, I always get my best thoughts in the shower at the gym. I'm like, it's because you're not doing anything. Like you're not consuming anything. You're just alone with your thoughts. And so that's why that's when you get the best ideas. Yeah. And if we think about the noise of social media, I would consider a big piece of that noise is that there's so much garbage inauthentic garbage because you're just repurposing and creating from from other people's stuff and uh and and yeah and so like creating that space to think and critically think and um and just see where your mind goes and wanders and to come up with cool stuff is actually a part of the creation process of being able to create um i forgot who said it but They were explaining how if everyone lived in a state of creation, there would be no division.
1:02:40And it was an interesting thought because when you're so busy creating, you don't really think about pointing fingers. And you don't really think about saying you're the problem or judging or whatever because you're too busy trying to build and create. And so the people that are walking the walk aren't the ones that are judging and hating. And so it's a cool reminder that if you feel like there's a lot of division, maybe if we all looked within and focused on creation, there would actually be less division and there'd be less negativity and a more united nature within us. Yeah, because you're pouring into your own life, so you're not worried about everyone else.
1:03:29But if you have nothing going on in your life, like no purpose, then it's very easy to constantly be negative towards others because they have something that you don't have, which is purpose and a life of meaning. And so the more that you can create that in your own life through boredom, through creativity, through allowing yourself to critically think, the more you'll notice like, oh, I don't care what these people are doing. I don't really care to scroll on social media today. That's boring. I'd rather actually be bored in silence than scroll through boring reels all day and just fill my mind with garbage.
1:04:02yeah the there would be a counter argument with people looking at your life because they see you promote being in the kitchen and cooking bread which by the way looks so delicious uh and and like doing all of these things that people would a lot of women online would consider that to be a purposeless life what a horrible life like i want to go and build something i want to go and do this thing and so like people would actually look at your life as being incredibly purposeless and boring. And, and, and, um, and so then that's when they want to go on like strive and strive and strive. Would you consider your life to be that?
1:04:41Or would you say that there's a way of being able to maybe just search for your meaning outside of striving and, and, um, and being a boss bitch? Yeah. I think finding something that you're actually passionate about that you can make an impact with, even if it's charity work. Charity work has gone down by 75 % since the 1950s because women are working so much that they don't have time for those things, even though they may be way more passionate about working at a charity instead of striving for this corporate job that they don't actually want. And I think when you can sit in that silence that we're talking about and sit in boredom, well, you can actually realize the things that you actually want out of life.
1:05:22And if you're constantly scrolling and you're seeing everyone buy seven cars and bags and travel everywhere, you don't know where they're getting that money from. So why are you striving so hard in this career to get there when that's not actually what you want? And to go back to your point about purpose, even if I didn't do social media as a career, like this does give me a lot of purpose. It gives me a lot of meaning. Even if I didn't do it, I would feel just as purposeful being a wife to my husband and being the future mother of our children. That to me has more meaning and purpose than anything I could do on social media.
1:05:55Given this is something I'm passionate about, but eventually my kids are going to be my priority and I'm going to take a step back because that's where I can actually make a change and make a difference. Do you think that all women deep down want that or do you think there's exceptions to the rule? I think there's exceptions to every rule, but the exception doesn't disprove the rule. and most women inherently they do want children they do want a husband they do want a life of abundance they don't want to be alone forever and the women that really hate children and don't want kids i don't want them having kids i don't want you to feel like you have to have kids and then you hate your children and hate your life but i think if women were honest with themselves most women about that what they actually want they would find that they they do want marriage they do want a family they do want to have a man there for them to provide and protect them yeah i i was chatting to elliot about this early today um because like for example and i don't want to speak for him but but elliot is like he's he's quite attracted to this uh more not boss bitch but more of like the would i be right right and saying that you're more of attracted in the uh like driven woman?
1:07:11I want a boss bitch wife. That's what I said. Okay. He wants a boss bitch trad wife. I think there's a lot of boss bitch trad wives. Right. Yeah. So what does that look like? Like a woman with a career but prioritizes family and marriage. Right. Okay. But like very ambitious. I think women should be ambitious by the way. I think they should be driven because we're not called to be lazy sluggards. Yeah. However, it's the fact that the priorities have shifted since feminism happened. It's like women have always been working, by the way. Women were working far before feminism, but they were doing things like agriculture, farming, selling things out of their home, very family focused careers.
1:07:50But now they're taking their careers out of the home and into like, no, my career is my priority. Family comes second. I don't care about my husband. I'm going to work till my eyes bleed. I don't really want to have children because that's going to ruin my career. And when you're putting your career first, you're putting your identity into something that's temporary. That's not always, when you're 80 years old and sitting in a rocking chair, you're not going to say, man, I really wish I would have worked more hours. I really wish I would have made more money. You know what 99 % of people say on their deathbed when they're like, what is your biggest regret?
1:08:23They say, I didn't spend enough time with my family. I wish I would have spent more time with my children. Yeah. That one hits. You get, there's a lot of wisdom from old people. Yeah. That's the number one thing that they say. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess the key distinguishment there from what you were saying, which brings great clarity, is priorities. And so it's not about not striving. You definitely should be driven. We're not made to sit around and do nothing. Yeah. But having the family as the priority is probably the thing that you're trying to push, I guess. Yeah. And then maybe the other piece on this, which we spoke about at the start and on the last conversation, is the striving needs to be passion-led, would you say?
1:09:18Because maybe if it's not passion-led, then it just induces too much stress, which means that you can't show up as the best version of you, perhaps? Yeah, women need to work out of passion because that's what keeps them in tune with their femininity. like I can I can probably speak for my husband but he would do anything that makes money he would he would literally do anything to provide for me and still get fulfillment out of something that he's able to provide with but for me I could never work a job that I hate it would it would literally make me miserable like I have to be passionate about what I'm doing I think majority of women feel that way that ideally they would like a career even if they're making a little less money that they're actually passionate about and that they get satisfaction from.
1:10:05Sadhana, I appreciate you coming on again. Thank you for having me. I love this and I'm excited to get dinner after with you guys. And yeah, I just think I want to commend you for, there's a progression I feel even see that you've made. and it's very like there's like a wise undertone with the way you're talking and delivering and I think it's really powerful because I think there's a problem that I feel could come across with your content is women see it being really extreme and they'll be like, women can't vote. She's a horrible person. I'm not going to listen to anything else she says. and a lot of the time I feel you need to push things to an extreme to get a message across but at the same time they might see that and on the surface level they go, no, that's stupid.
1:11:05This Savannah girl needs to shut up and go away or dye her hair green and I feel like the way you've come across today and even from watching the debates it's very well put together and I truly believe that the message is making a really positive change and I'm a big fan of it. Thank you. And I just really appreciate you coming back on the show. Thank you. This is great. Thank you so much. Leave us a five-star review on Spotify if you made it to the end and hit the subscribe button on YouTube. I'm going to leave all Savannah's details in the show notes in the description below so you can check it out for yourself.
1:11:37We're going to sign out. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye-bye.
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00:00 Why beauty is ruined now…
07:10 Has debating changed Savanna’s beliefs?
12:30 What is the goal with the message you’re sharing?
18:00 The challenge women are facing right now
25:30 Where God plays a role in Savanna’s marriage
31:40 The Performative Christian
41:20 Does God forgive everyone or can you take it too far?
46:00 The negative impact of speaking your truth
52:00 Why liberals have blue hair…
57:00 Liberal men are lacking testosterone
59:40 Difference between creation and consumption
01:06:00 What women actually want
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