#130: Grayson Hart: The Material World Isn’t The Problem… You Are

41:04And then we get slammed with this feeling of, oh shit, I got work to do. And so the heartbreak time and time again shapes you when you look within. because there's two things you could, again, tie into that victim or the ownership piece. You can get heartbroken, hurt a woman, make them hard, and say it's their fault. She was crazy. Nah, dude, you were crazy, man. Fix your shit. And so then even if she was crazy, it's not a productive conversation to say that she's crazy. So the moment we have the courage and all of the pieces that are operating in fear and insecurity and stuff is the only thing that separates that from all of the great things is courage.

41:51And then we have the courage to look within and go, hang on now, like, I'm not no perfect person. Let's see what I did wrong here. So I can make sure I don't do that again in the next one. The more times we do that and we look within and we reflect through the heartbreak, through potentially even hurting people, through, you know, figuring this thing we call life out we then become the person that our dream partner is attracted to and that partner's not even feeling like she needs all of the things in the 3d world because you're the man that she actually needs because the the man is the presence it's not the out to in and then and then like we said before the designers if you're if you're your true self bro, you're going to succeed in this material world in whatever way that success looks like that's true to you.

42:42Because you're seeing yourself and life as its actual reality. And our design, we're of nature. There's no mistakes. When we are our true self, we're here to do good. Life is good. Life is a blessing. Life is beautiful. And it's nature. So when we face things and the point you make is the most perfect one like the come back to the thing at the start the intellect will always look out to in it'll point the finger and even if it's subtly it'll be like there'll be some underlying thing like that was that happened to me because of that that and that whereas everything in life is an opportunity for us to see ah like what is the blessing and opportunity in this for me what is there for me to see um and man like the most profound shifts in my life have come off the back of like really devastating things in the material world because they they force me to sit there and be like who am i like because all that's going on out there in the material world it ain't unfolding the way that my mind would like it to.

43:54So therefore, whereas I'm here for good, I'm here for love, that is who I am. So where do I find that? I go inside. And we go inside, your whole perspective of the outer reality shifts. Because everything is for you, nothing is against you in this life. Only the intellect, the ego, the mind will say that's against me. Everything is for you. like my my own father dying at 21 I can truly say in my heart that was a huge blessing um I was married for eight years divorced and that was a huge blessing uh I at the age of 21 was contracted for three years for my dream team Auckland Blues growing up got into trouble after my dad died, got into fights, got fired.

44:47Felt like an absolute hero to zero. Huge blessing in my life. Even something like, you know, I always dreamed of becoming an international rugby player. I remember the moment I made my international rugby debut, sitting in that changing room, just being like, damn, this is what I strive for? Like my whole childhood and life? Like there's got to be more to life than, this ain't the feeling I thought I'd feel when I achieved it. And even that's a beautiful blessing to be like, no outcome will cause you or take away what's already within you. And the only place to see it is in you. And yeah, man, like a year and a half ago or so, however long ago it was, when my last relationship, we broke up.

45:38And I really was feeling heartbreak. and it was a blessing. It was an opportunity to say to life, reveal to me anything and everything that no longer serves me, allow me to face it and feel it and release it. And then it's what you're saying, space. Space is the place in which magic arises. So I saw in that moment that there was, the reason I had gone through that experience of heartbreak and was going through it was because there was things deep down buried in my subconscious that were ready to be released but if I had have gone continuing down the path of I was going to find a new missus to replace it I'm going to go out drinking and partying and get with girls and you know all these things and chase things in the material world to distract myself and validate myself which I very easily could have, which is what I would have done when I was younger, I would have never received the blessing of understanding and releasing.

46:43But this time I sat there and I was like, I would pray in the morning. I'd be like, universe, please, whatever you've got for me in this day, any experience, any thought, any feeling, any emotion, bring it to me. And I promise you, I'm going to face it front on. I'm not going to distract. I'm not going to hide. I'm not going to run. and then I would truly with like genuine like truth to it I'd be like bring it you know the same way I'd go out there when I was a professional rugby player you got to step on that field and go into the mobile like yeah come on bring it we on here you know and I'd say life bring it to me and I knew that that meant like different frustrations different interactions different feelings and you know what started to happen songs would come on and they'd make me cry and then insights would arise about things that I'd held on to.

47:36I would stop resisting the image of the girl that I broke up because I didn't want her to be in my awareness because it would make me feel sad or whatever I'd feel or down. And I welcomed it and I'd face it. And you know what? It all started to alchemize into love. Everything was love. I was like, oh, wow. Thank you, beautiful girl, for coming into my life and the ups and downs that we faced, all of it was a blessing. You were a blessing. Life brought you to me. I do love you and I always love you. Thank you for this experience, for that experience. And through that, through love, it started to release all these, because without facing it and trying to avoid it, what then your mind does to protect itself, it points the finger.

48:28You're the victim. You blame. You make excuses. you, you know, you bad mouth and you're within yourself, that person, none of that's true. Like everything is a blessing. All is for you. Nothing is against you. So, and then, you know, like I started like stretching and stuff and like, I'll be like down at Venice beach stretching in the morning. And then I started to realize like there was tension in my hips, for example, and I started stretching my hips and I would end up holding these stretches for like 10 minutes straight. and then like i'd release the stretch and i'd surrender so much to it that i'd like start like lengthening out like tendons and ligaments and fascia and all this and then i'd come up the stretch and it'd be such a profound release that like it was like energy shooting out and then when the energy was shoot out it was almost like this like channel from of consciousness would open up and it'd be like you're releasing the trauma of your mother's sexual abuse like a clear-cut voice like that and like I had all these profound experiences by surrendering and facing life front on and allowing myself to the space to do the things that we should do for ourselves yet the mind and its conditioned ideas about getting to an outcome will always avoid like like your mind as a man am I 37 year old man I got business to do I got like friends I got family i got you know whatever you know like even the mind would say oh you're way bit off going to do some pull-ups then stretching your your hips down at the beach for an amount of time that i'd lost track of but i'm telling you opening up the space to let go of your mind's seeking and outcomes and pursuits and allowing the present moment to guide you even though the narrative of the mind will be like wanting to go and do shit if you really surrender to the moment life will bring you the insights that are for you and it will give you the insights into like things that are good for your body good for your mind just good for life and because it's all already available like you look I mean I started when I left pure sport had this time and space and I started stretching and I'd start just intuitively doing stuff in line with like the breath and stretching and that.

50:52And then I was like, oh, this is how they made up yoga like thousands of years ago. There was just bros out there doing intuitive stuff that was true to them. And then they created the theories of yoga. And then it became like, oh, we're going to share that with people. But then see again what the mind does. It likes to conceptualize it, take it from out to in and look what yoga has become in the Western world now. It's about looking down with dog and like yoga, Lululemon tights. and putting pictures up on Instagram. Not all of it, but something that is a true innate expression of just living in alignment with your true self and freeing your body to be in alignment with consciousness and all that is.

51:36It's become an out-turn concept of, oh, look at my identity, I'm a yogi. Yeah, it's external and everything's becoming external. So the power is being able to constantly check in with yourself. A common theme of everything you've been talking about the last little bit has been this nature of looking within and going, whatever comes up, I'm going to face. I'm going to hit. You said before all of that, that you said that the heartbreak was a blessing. How did you arrive at that? because there's a lot of people that definitely would struggle to resonate with how that could be a blessing how is heartbreak a blessing i think there's two parts to that um the first part is like what an absolute blessing to feel so deeply like i think when i was younger and i i've like i i think throughout my life i've had like five girlfriends you know like from the age of like 13 and then one including the girl that I married.

52:44And every single one of them I loved so much. Like I really loved them. And then when we would break up, whether it was my decision or theirs, you know, like growing up, like I didn't know how to face and allow those feelings so I would run from them and I would just distract and avoid. Whereas this time around I was like, wow what a blessing it is to feel so deeply you know like because in order to love fully you gotta love in a way that it could be taken away because if you love clinging and trying trying to believe that that's yours forever you could like you're gonna operate from insecurity control scarcity attachment and that's the very thing that like runs a relationship into the ground um so in order to love fully you gotta be able to be able to sit with the reality of heartbreak and that's the kind of like i guess gangstanness of true love it's like if you want to love fully you got to also be willing to lose it you know otherwise it's not true love and also you got to know the fact that they're not yours.

54:03They do not belong to you. It's a choice. Everything in this life is a choice. Both sides, whether you're married or not, they're choosing to be there. And if you believe that it's an obligation, you're operating from a limited place. And that's also, I think, the track of marriage in this day and age. I think so many people get married and then the concept of marriage gets in the way of the truth of the love. And then they think they're obliged and locked in. And then you take for granted the love and it becomes attachment and expectation. And then that becomes, that's not love. Attachment and expectation is not love.

54:43Love is unconditional. Love is true. Love is free. Love is, you're choosing to be there and you're choosing to show up as the best version of yourself in order to be what you know you should be. to bring your side of the table to that yin and yang. And then, yeah, that heartbreak was a blessing to understand that more clearly because when I really was honest with myself, I lost myself in relationships and I expected the, how would you say it? And I think it happens to a lot of people in relationships, like you fall in love and you forget that there's two people that are two separate individuals.

55:38And in order to maintain the optimal life that you know is for you, you have to walk your path as an individual. You cannot sacrifice your path for that person in the relationship. if you sacrifice your own path and your own purpose in life for the relationship you're weakening yourself and a weak self is never going to be whole within a relationship and then by weakening yourself you're going to rely on your partner to try and make you feel whole and then that's expectation and attachment and that's a downward spiral so it showed me that Love is within, it's already whole. And then like we spoke about, life is fun, life is a blessing.

56:29So we get to express that wholeness in a relationship with a beautiful woman. What a gift. It's a mirror to be like, this is my wholeness, I see your wholeness. We get to share that together and remind each other. And the way to remind each other is you walk the path of truth. and if you walk your path of truth your expression of love is coming from wholeness rather than the blessing of that heart rate was to show me my whole life I'd been giving myself away sacrificing my path because I really believed that the love of a woman was going to make me feel whole because I grew up in a way that I didn't receive the love that I needed as a child from my mum because that was the path that was the journey and that was the blessing uh to see that and understand that and then be able to articulate it i'm 37 years old now i'm never looking back man you know i ain't saying i'm going to get it right all the time but my default is shit like i can now understand myself in a way that when i'm losing myself that's on me that's not like oh like you're not making me feel good or like, you know, or the ability to look myself in the mirror and be like, are you your truest whole self right now?

57:47Or are you a weakened version that's seeking love from a woman to make you feel whole? Because if that's what you're doing, one, you're not offering your true service to the world, which is to show up as a man in your fullest expression, regardless of what's going on around you and be like, all right, laugh, what you got for me? You know, you're weak. You're showing up being like, come on, baby, I really need you to rub my back and make me food in order for me to be okay. You know? And then that's weakening her. And a woman wants a man that's like, we've got this, baby, come follow me. We're good.

58:22We're always going to be fine. You know? Like, because look at nature, and this is not a disrespect to women. This to me is actually an appreciation for women. And if you look at nature, men are the stronger physically in terms of nature. Say we're this wild species out in nature, which in reality we actually are on this planet. Whether we like it or not, with all the concepts we have and all the technological advancements and all that, we're still just another wild species out here on this planet. men are the stronger, more physically capable and we also have the ability to harm women so therefore our job within nature is to show up and protect them and provide a feeling of safety and security just with our energy just with our way of being and by doing that we allow them to surrender soften, go into their true feminine which is absolutely powerful, just as powerful as the masculine, but it's a different expression.

59:34It's caring, it's loving, it's soft, you know, but within that caring, loving, softness is true power and strength, but it's expressed in the feminine way. So if we're not able to show up as our full self as a man, like we're, by doing that, we're weakening the woman in the world. so I just think like all of those experiences have been blessings to understand and come to that clarity and now my path in life is to continue to walk that and when I falter be able to be like come on boy get back on that path you know because this is life you know it's like dropping the ball in a game and then you're getting being yourself up and getting down and you're a victim to the world and you believe the coach was anger and shit and then then you wake up and you're like ah shit I just gotta play the game as me just give it my all and show up and you know sure let's go you know yeah even just I think about all of the most life-changing moments in my life most of which were during heartbreak it's like the the lowest times like heartbreak that you know I interviewed a Olympic boxer and he said man I've been punched in the face so many times I've had more blood on my face than you can see skin.

1:00:58I've had my dad mess me around. I've had my mom leave me. I've experienced some really dark times, but still to this day, nothing has ever felt darker than heartbreak. Yeah, yeah. It's ruthless, eh? It's ruthless, man. But so if we think about it, how much our life changes when we go through it, if anything, with all due respect to the men that have never gone through it, are you a real man until you've experienced some hardship? Because a real man is about, like, the truth of being your realest self is the willingness to face it as it really is, from on. Because it's easy to run, bro. Like, there's so many distractions now.

1:01:41Yeah. There's so many. And also, they've become so, like, advanced at creating the distractions that we've really got to be able to sit with ourselves and be like... They're hidden. Yeah. Like the way the phones work and shit, bro. Like they're designed to distract us without knowing we're distracted. And they're hidden in different ways as well because you can mask distraction as striving and success in the external world. So you can go through a heartbreak and be like, fuck that girl, man. I'm just going to level up. Yeah, yeah. And that's deemed to be success. Yeah. You've grown so much since she.

1:02:17Yeah, yeah. You just built up another layer of your identity though and your shell, which takes you further away from the truth. It's a way to win in the 3D world. But as I said here, it's fun but fleeting because you reach a new height and you can finally look up there and go, damn, that girl's looking back at me and she wishes she didn't leave me. And you're living in this state that you're bumping your tires up. But then at the same time, why does that feeling disappear? here. And then you have all the money, the nice cars, the nice house, and you still feel empty. And it's this thing where sometimes you need to go to the deepest of lows to get forced into a state where the only thing you can do is look within.

1:03:03And that's the most liberating point, because you know that nothing external is going to solve that thing. And when you arrive at that spot, that's the most powerful spot. And I don't want to jump the gun on your book, but one of the things you have at the very start of that book is easy times create weak men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just pulled that page open before we were sharing our notes. Yeah. And I don't want, like, I'm no David Goggins kind of a guy. Like, I'm not really into all that shit, but, like. So I think, like, take it with a pinch of salt. But what I mean is, like, and I wrote that climbing, hiking, Mount Agung, and, like, Like it took me back to my days as a rugby player where, you know, what it reminded me is playing rugby like that, like there was a lot of tough times that came just like normal on your day-to-day basis, like battered brews, the work that we put in and the day -to-day slog and that was normal.

1:04:03And then I retired and then business became like my battle day-to-day slog. but um this was just a quote that i wrote hiking up that mountain um and it was just a reminder that like putting yourself out there and into the environment and nature and testing yourself not for any like to hit a time or like to say look at my achievement but just to go out and be one with your direct experience and feel the feelings feel the conditions like there was points where you know like that one i think we got up at like 3 30 a.m and we were hiking and you know i wasn't prepared and i didn't know what i needed and i didn't have the right equipment and shit and it just started absolutely pissing down and i had six hours worth of hiking and my legs were burning and um like in pain and my joints and stuff and then I just remember I had t-shirt shorts on I was absolutely pissing down and I just was like fuck yeah I'm alive baby this is amazing I'm in the trenches right now I can either seize up and mow about or I can just embrace it and face it and like walk it and I did and it just felt amazing man and it just that was It's like easy times create weak men.

1:05:26It's good to put yourself out there. It's good to be willing to fail. It's good to be willing to feel. And it goes back to what we just said. You can't truly love if you aren't willing to face the possibility of heartbreak. And you can't fully live if you're not aware of the fact of death. We could die in any moment. And I'm like, I pray every day. I'm like, when it's my time, take me. I'm all yours. And by saying I'm all yours, I'm like, I'm all yours, love. Let's live it, you know. Bring it. I want it, you know. And that allows every moment of your life to be something beautiful. You know, like whether it's a conversation like this, like looking out at the ocean, watching a bloody cat walk by, like whatever, enjoying your coffee.

1:06:18we live in a reality nowadays man that the most beautiful gift that we have which is here and now is constantly overlooked because we're striving and seeking to get something more and even in the little things man like a lot of people listening to this like when was the last time you just fully sat there with your coffee and like life is good man I'm just enjoying my coffee there's nothing more in the world that I need right now or want it's just me my coffee and life you know it's like and we did some breath work before one thing that like the more I immerse myself in the moment and the present and live from the truth I'm like bro breath is amazing like breathing is is wow like when you fully breathe and and like air through your body and you feel it go all the way through and oxygenate your body there ain't no drug in the world that's more of a high than just being one with your breath like that's that's profound and not even some special breath work just like breathing fully and being aware and conscious with it feeling it fill up your body feeling the vibration within your body and then with that presence you realize that vibration that is your body there's no separation between me and the body me and the world like we're taught that this is the limit of who we are but when you let go of those concepts and you breathe and you allow yourself to be presently observing from awareness you see we're one with all.

1:07:57And then you look at nature, like everything's in cycles. Life and death is one. You know, that's why all the ancient symbology, it's all cycles, the yin and the yang. There's no like one without the other, like life doesn't exist without death. And chaos and destruction, all of it, night and day, light and dark, you know, like all that's going on in the world right now and all the stuff that's being put out through social media and the media, all the dark stuff that's been going on in the world with the wars and the Epstein stuff. It's like, there's nothing to be afraid of. There ain't no light without dark.

1:08:36And you get to choose in the moment who you are. Are you truth or are you illusion? Are you love or are you fear? And that darkness is a reminder to see that you are love and go with that. And then when you know your love and that there's no light without dark, you look at all in the eye. And you know when you look at all in the eye with love, anything of the dark, it won't come near you. When you look everything in the eye with love, there's nothing to fear. You're just like, I see you, we good out here, you can't touch me, you know? Yeah, I think an important distinguishment here to make is the difference between confidence and ego.

1:09:20and so even just as you're explaining this what i'm piecing together is confidence is internal ego is external and so confidence being i know who i am and i'm okay if you don't that's the powerful piece all the inward work all the hardship the pain as we said there easy times create weak men it's not in the sense of i'm david goggins i'm going to work until my eyeballs bleed every single day, your pain isn't shit, ratta, ratta, ratta, toughen up. It's not about that. The pain unlocks true confidence of knowing who you are and not feeling like you need to prove yourself and be validated externally to remind you of who you are.

1:10:03And I like this differentiation point of confidence is I know who I am and I'm okay if you don't. And ego is, I need you to tell me how great I am so then I can believe it too. The external world is ego-driven. I'm going to strive so much. And while you can still do that in a way filled with true confidence, most people aren't, I'm going to strive so much and achieve so much external just so you can tell me how great I am. But I think the freeing nature of hardship and pain is it unlocks when you look within, in the pain and in the mud, it unlocks this rooted confidence where you're fully okay with who you are.

1:10:42You don't need to be anyone else. You're not trying to be anyone else, you don't want to be anyone else. You just want to be you. And it gives off this energy that everyone gravitates towards. And it's funny you even said about how people think that we're all just this one thing, but it's far greater than that. I had a mentor, Jim Fortin. He's big with shamanism and working with reprogramming the subconscious and he completely transformed my life. And I was with him in Sedona about a month ago and And he was referencing, and I would be able to butcher the example, but he brought up his phone and he was explaining that the brain is the device for the soul.

1:11:30And he was explaining that there's people out there that don't need, so the phone, right, being the device in which we receive the text. You send me the text, it pops up on my phone. there's people out there that don't need the phone you send the text i hear it i feel it you you've said it to me and it's a weird thing he was explaining it and he's talking about how like this is this is all 3d world but the 5d world is is a way where people can communicate without any of these devices there's a connection here when you break an atom down to its smallest form, it all ends up being the same thing.

1:12:09And what's funny, this is the first time a conversation on my podcast, I felt this way, but it's very weird. All of the questions I'm thinking about asking, just before I say them, you pause, then you start talking again and you're answering the exact question I wanted to ask without even saying anything. It's really weird, man, but But it's just reminded me of this nature of when you can, you know, and the breathwork would have helped that to unlock presence. You're very grounded. You look within a lot. I do. I think there's a combination of all of this where we've been able to remove a lot of the barriers.

1:12:47But it's been so fascinating just observing your mind and your consciousness, your stream of consciousness go because you just start answering the exact thing that I was about to ask. And you've done it probably four or five times in this conversation. We're in alignment. We're in flow. You know what? I never used to explore anything to do with astrology and numerology and stuff like that. And I don't really go out my way to explore it. But when you open up the space and things come to you and they make sense. So in the last probably six months or something, I had some people come into my life that recommended or introduced or spoke about people that had true...

1:13:35knowledge and wisdom within my astrology and numerology. And so it kind of opened me up to, you know, receive and feel and resonate. And again, like I'm not going to try to articulate it as someone that, you know, has, you know, this knowledge or skill to articulate it. But what I do really feel and really resonate with is there is a big shift that's gone on and going on in all of the energetic fields and the planets or whatever, however you want to describe it, that is a shift in frequency. And that shift in frequency is relevant to this reality that we're currently living in and the frequency is raising.

1:14:20And if you are walking this path, choosing to live a life of truth and alignment to your highest self, which is the highest self of the whole collective, the possibilities of this reality are just expanding and evolving and the limitations of the more dense frequency in which this reality that we've been involved in has been operating via we're starting to disband and move apart and all that's gone on with the wars and the Epstein stuff and all of that shit, it's actually a splitting apart or, you know, like a portion of the population are going to stay stuck within a more of a dense reality of materialism and heaviness and, you know, that way of operating.

1:15:14And that's no judgment. That's just going to be their world. And then if you have been someone that is within you, been resonating with love and light and truth and openness and expansiveness and possibility follow that like just go with it let go of the fear and you'll see that beyond that fear following that love and that wholeness and that openness without even a concept of where to get to in the material world you're going to open yourself up to possibilities that the mind is not able to even comprehend because we're stepping into a whole new reality and all of the astrology numerology is showing and aligning that all the planets have shifted and all that and i feel it and like i had this amazing i spoke about venice beach uh yeah just before but i had this other amazing experience one morning i was stretching down at venice beach and i was doing some hip or like whatever stretch and this lady walks past and she's like oh that's a good stretch i was like yeah it's been amazing and then i was like what up to she's like i walk along every morning and i'm just looking out for the dolphins i was like oh what there's dolphins here she's like yeah um and she was like yeah i swim with them sometimes i was like whoa shit i would love to swim with dolphins that's amazing and she was like okay well you just come down here and just keep an eye out for them and i was like okay amazing we'll have a good day and i can't really like we exchanged names and then she went off on her way and then i was carrying on my stretching and then like two months later i hear my name and i'm i don't know anyone in LA at that point.

1:16:42And so it's not normal for me. So I'm sort of like, Hey, is that my name? And then I looked down and the lady's like going like waving at me about 200 meters away. And I look and she's waving and there's these three dolphins swimming about 15 meters out from the shore. And I was like, Whoa. So I jogged down to her and I was like, she's like, go, go swim with the dolphins. And I go, and I said, okay, well, what do I do? And she goes, just don't splash and send love and I was like I can do that so then I so then by this point they're swimming I run up about 10 meters and I start swimming across and then I go and then bro like you know I've never swam with dolphins I've never been close to them they're a big fucking beastie they're like a horse in the water you know and so I'm hearing their noise up and then like you know it's like oh it's pretty like you know it's quite an experience I'm swimming right out to them and then I went under the water and I heard and felt their communication.

1:17:43And so I remember what she told me and I sent love. So I just, in my own way, in that present moment, in that very, like, what to me was a very, like, profound present moment, I just sent love. And, you know, I heard and felt this message get sent from the dolphins and it was like this vibration, this frequency moves off and it went into my heart. And then I was like, okay, then I'm done. And I've felt something and then I got out. And as I was getting out, my mind's saying, what was the message? You need to understand the message so you can apply it into the world. And then my heart spoke to me and it spoke to the mind.

1:18:24And it goes, it ain't for you, brother. It's already been received. And I was just like, that's just that. Because the mind's trying to find something and get it to apply to the outcomes that it's pursuing. But the heart was like, nah, bro, it's already known. We already got it. You ain't got to try to figure that out. And then I was like, whoa. And then do you know what? I, you know, after I broke up with the girl that I'd been with before, and I really sat and I faced these feelings and thoughts, and I started to understand me and walking the path for myself and with love but not seeking anything to fill a void, I started to visualize and just intuitively the feeling of the woman that was true to me and who I wanted to be and how I wanted to shop but the feeling of what that person would feel like and what that life looked like and I would allow those types of visions to come to me.

1:19:29and then I met this girl and the first time she spoke to me the vibration of her voice it was the same as the dolphins and then that's why I was like we're on to something here and it came by not seeking, not looking just via letting go, facing it and being like and even like there was times in that period of facing it that the insecurities and fear will be like, nah, you need to go and make more than an effort and find a girl, man, because you don't want to end up alone, and you're in the prime of your life, so you want to be with someone. And I was like, nah, man, this is time to walk my path for me and be the best whole true version of myself and know the love that I am in a totality within me so that then I will attract the right person for me rather than go seek it from a place of limitation or scarcity.

1:20:25and yeah man and but it's an ongoing journey like it's never ending because like i said before when you find that that person you know there's those parts in you that want to kind of fold and just you know go in to lose your path in your direction to that love and rely upon them for that wholeness so it's like an ongoing journey of like walking that path and staying true to yourself and doing what's right for the universe, man. Because if you're doing what's right and true to you, you're doing what's right and true to the universe. And then all of us that do that, then we're going to raise the collective and create this whole new reality.

1:21:02Where do you think the line is for settling and always wanting more? And what I mean by this is just, I feel like as men, especially high achieving men in the external world, we constantly feel like the grass is always greener. And so, you know, one of my best friends, he was explaining to me, because I was speaking about a relationship that I was dealing with him. And he's like, and I was questioning whether she was the one. And he's like, brother, I'm 37. And since I've been 20, I've been playing the same game that the grass is always greener. and I'm 37 and I'm single. How have you gone navigating this want of more and trusting that the woman that you're with is enough and is the right one?

1:22:01I think it's the like, I live my life in a way that I'm open to every possibility, you know, and like I really, I feel that that's a good test to like give yourself to be like if I'm open to every possibility in this reality I'm going to be open to the to what is truly aligned to me rather than just following what I believe my best path is in life when I I broke up of my wife like it was scary bro because when that came up within me to be like you're not living your true self this relationship is not aligned to your highest good and if it's not aligned to your highest good it's not aligned to her highest good and she's not going to be the one to see it so you got to be the one to do it and then when that arose the first it was scary as hell because I got married believing that my whole future was that was going to be with that woman.

1:23:04And that was what I was committed to with that relationship and that marriage. So when that came up, I was like, fuck, that was scary, bro. Because my whole reality that my mind had created of my future had the potential to crumble. But then I was like, well, if it is true, if that what's come up there is true, you need to face it, bro. Because you ain't here to live a life that's not your fullest expression. And in order to live your fullest expression, if you've gone down a route that isn't aligned to it, you've got to be willing to break free of it for everybody's good, not just yours, hers too.

1:23:40And you've got to be ruthless with that from love and be willing to be the bad guy, but know that if it's for the highest good, that at the end of the day, it's of service to everybody. And if we allow ourselves the ability to do that, we open ourselves up to our true path because so much of what we do in life is based upon a concept of what we need to do and where we need to go and what we need to become and unless we're able to sit with and face and be willing for things that we thought were so real and true to be dissolved and shattered and to face the feelings of that and the experience of that then I don't think we're going to live our fullest self, you know?

1:24:24Yeah. Yeah. So you mentioned marriage and feeling like when you were going into that, you were so sure at the moment. And then you mentioned at the start of this conversation, you were saying that people get caught up with the concept of marriage and it takes them away from the actual love itself. I think this is a great segue to talk about something I read on a post you did in September last year. You said, I lost my notebook yesterday. It had some conversations with the universe. And then in brackets you put, God, before religion misused the word. What do you mean by that? Yeah, I just mean that from my perspective, anything that's become a human concept with hierarchy involved and projections of fear and judgment, that's not God.

1:25:18God is all that is. God is love. God is unconditional. God is the universe. God is consciousness, oneness, nature, truth. Anything that has become something to adhere to, something that has any fear attached to it, judgment, that's not God. And that's what I mean by that. And I think that there's so many things in our reality that are holding or utilizing elements of truth and then taking those elements of truth that people's hearts resonate with and then using that for control. And I don't like that. Yeah, I've been deep diving into religion over the last few months just because living in America, it's crazy how you look at all the most successful people in the world and they all have some sort of relationship to a God.

1:26:21I can't find a single one of these super high achievers that doesn't. So when I look at that and I grew up with no religion, I look at it and I just go, there's something in that I've got to at least explore it because there's people that I respect very highly that believe in this thing. So let's seek to understand. So like a Jehovah's Witness will stop me on the street. I'll pick up their paper. I'll go, I've been going to church. I've been doing all this stuff. I've been reading the Bible. I've been just trying to understand it. and you know there's some things that bring me further away there's some things that bring me closer but this underarching feeling is really that god is just love and i look at that and i feel like it's quite powerful and i'm still really genuinely trying to seek to understand man, I still want to know.

1:27:16And to be honest, an aspect of that is not actually knowing because you can't know. The faith element is such a key part. Knowing is that. Yeah. That wants to figure everything out. But it's like the dolphin. It's like, nah, brother, it's already received. Yeah, yeah. And so I guess there's just this element here that I feel very called to understand because you can't disregard the fact that it's impacted billions of lives around the world. And so at least understanding it is great. I think that even if we tie that into the ego piece is another aspect of ego is thinking you know it all and thinking you're the shit.

1:27:54And so not deep diving in religion and understanding at least the scriptures and what it's all about. And then saying that religion is shit and it's all just crazy in power. that in itself is probably an ego-led thing in itself to not even understand any of it because then at the same time you're shutting your mind off to what it is as well. Yeah, I think even when I'm reflecting on it all as well and you never know where these conversations are going to go down, but we're going there. My understanding of it is obviously you've got like the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and you go and they do it when they pray the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit, I don't know what the thing is called, the triangle.

1:28:42Holy Trinity. Holy Trinity, yeah. I feel a pull towards the Father, the Creator, God, the thing that when you're on a walk out of nature and you look up in the sky and you see all of the stars and then when you lock eyes on one of the stars, you can get lost in it and realize that it's bigger than the other stars next to it. And then you look beyond it and it's even bigger. Like humans, we didn't create that. There's something far greater. And I feel very pulled to that. And then I feel very pulled towards the spirit, which is the one, the way in which God speaks to you. So the dolphin saying it's already there, man.

1:29:23And the connection there where you get these callings, your intuition, your whatever, that voice that you hear all the time. The piece in all of it that I struggle with is the sun being like worshiping to a human form of that. Like Jesus, if anything, for me, my piece that I struggle with, with the whole religious piece is, I feel like Jesus discredits God because you're trying to explain the creation and the creator in a human form. We can't understand all of this. And I struggle with that. I'm like, Jesus discredits the creator. He discredits the God. And if God's love and you're trying to say that, and then you're trying to put it into a human, I struggle with it all.

1:30:08But anyway. From my perspective, like, or unless you want to finish. No, I'm just intrigued by that part you said, how you brackets and said God before religion misused the word. I just love the framing because I look at religion and I think the biggest thing Jesus hated was religion. He actually hated religion. Because religion came to separate people. It's Muslims and us, Jews and us, Christians and us. And it's this divide and power. And even within their own religions, they're separating each other. Yeah. There's a hierarchy. Like, why is the church set up like a courthouse with the priest at the front and everyone else down there, like, getting spoken to?

1:30:49Like, Jesus was not a Christian, bro. He was a divine expression of God in man's form. And the way I see Jesus is we're here as this expression, and that is the perfect expression for this reality, where we found ourselves in this being. This is our complete reality. This is the divine heaven on earth. Jesus is a symbol and a messenger and an example and a story and an analogy to remind us of the truth of who we all are. Religion misconstrued his words and utilized them as, here's a God in the sky and here's us. and we need to do all we can here on this earth in order to be accepted by that God in the sky so when we die, we go to heaven.

1:31:54That shit's all made up. Like our only reality is here and now. This is our truth. This is our totality. This is our reality. Jesus was a reminder to say, here and now, the kingdom of heaven is within you. I am the way, the truth, and the light. He wasn't saying, I am the way, the truth, and the light. like God up there, he's saying, I, you and I both say I. All the most ancient scriptures, I think, are the Hindu scriptures. One of their key pointers is to say, ask yourself, who am I? And you'll see that I am is the background, the source of awareness. Jesus was saying the same thing. I am the way, the truth, and the light.

1:32:44He was saying, turn within, see the eye, the background, consciousness, is the way, the truth, and the light. And everything that he did, all the ups and downs, he forgave the people that double-crossed him. He forgave Judas, or whatever his name was.

1:33:05When he was walking up that thing, holding that cross, he knew that like he was suffering, but he knew it was for a higher purpose. He walked everything with truth and love and light, and he faced it all. And he did it with love, and he did it with the knowing that this world, he was in this world, but not of this world. And that's what we've been talking about this whole time. Me and you, like, you like to stay fit, you like to be healthy, you like to do the work that you love to do, you find purpose in it, you enjoy nice surroundings, things, you like good food, you like nice clothes, you like to do the things that are true to you, you're in the world showing up as the way, the truth, and the light, but you're not of the world, so you're not defined by the world.

1:33:53And therefore, you have no fear. You're free. And when fear does arise, it's just a reminder to remember, I am the way, the truth, and the light, here and now. That's me. And that's all I'll ever be. and when this time on this earth as this being is dissolved, the I am doesn't die. It's always there. It's infinite. And Jesus and all the key figures in all the religions, they were just divine messengers in a very profound way to point people back to the truth. They weren't trying to have this indoctrinated conceptual thing, but that's what humans do. That's what governments do. That's what education does.

1:34:35That's what science does. That's what the media does. All of that. That's what medicine does. It's all fucking divide and conquer and create fear and keep people limited and trapped from knowing that the divine freedom, love, and truth is within us all right now. And then even that is like everyone's seeking something to find the divine truth. But what we don't realize is it's already there. You just sit there and be it. Just be it. Just be like, that's it. That's heaven on earth. You have a powerful mind and soul, my friend. It's a pleasure to share it with you, man. And that's the other thing about religion.

1:35:15It's like, if anyone listen to this, man, I'm just me. I'm just expressing my heart in the moment. My words are not the truth. Don't take the words. If anything resonates with you, it resonates because your heart knows what's true. and I'm just doing my best through words, as are you, to express what I feel and know in my heart. My words aren't going to be like, the words can never articulate what's true because words are already out into the world. Words are designed to describe the material world, but we're just doing our best to point from here to here. That's why art and music created from love is beautiful because if it's created from love, it's coming from within.

1:35:56It's an expression of the divine, which is who we are inside. And then it's expressed outwardly. And then if it's received in presence, then it's a shared moment of the pointer of the truth, the shared oneness within us both. Yeah, and the thing about this, which I think I really want to rein home is you can listen to people online realizing that nothing is true, everything's interpreted. But if something in you lights up your soul and you get a little message or a knock on the door after hearing these words, and a lot of the time it's not straight away. and this is why I think I encourage like creating silence and space in your life.

1:36:45But when that comes up, the courage you need to have to listen to it and act on it and let that soul lead the way is a superpower. You know, like overconsumption just is distraction. And even a challenge for anyone that's listening all the way to the end of this podcast, don't put another podcast on after this. if you're on your walk or you're driving to work or whatever it is, if you have the ability to do so, just spend 30 minutes and just ponder on what we've spoken about. It's not about me. It's not about you. It's about what we've mirrored inside of you. What have you listened to today that has brought something out of you that you need to sit on?

1:37:28The most powerful realizations I've had from reading a book is not from reading the book. It's from reading one page and then thinking for 45 minutes. So if you have the blessing of the space, don't go and fill your ears with noise again. Because the mind wants to attach the concept and try to get that out. Like when I got out with the dolphins, it's like, what is that? We've got to figure that out. And the heart says, no, gee, we already got it. The space you have after consuming what you've listened to for the last however long we've been rolling for, I don't know, I'm in a stream of consciousness, it's been insane.

1:38:01I could talk to you for a minute. hours the the this the powerful realization and lessons you're going to get from this is not from what we say it's from what you ponder on what we said it's what you it's the conversations that you have with yourself off the back of this that has sparked things in you those are the things that will move the needle not another podcast not more noise and the crazy thing is is the statistics show that 33 % of people that listen to my podcast, after they listen, they're going to go listen to another one of my podcasts. I got that on Spotify wrapped. Those people don't go listen to another one of my podcasts after this.

1:38:39Sit in silence and come back later. Because that's going to be where the answers are and that's going to be where the powerful things come. Dude, I've loved this. You're great. Oh, thank you, brother. And I've had a great time. What's been exciting you at the moment?

1:38:55Love. Creating. openness to the unknown like putting time energy love into things that there's no guarantee but you have faith and you know that what you do here and now in the moment is enough that that expression and that freedom and that facing the fear and doing it anyway is enough and yeah like just the ability to look at life through gratitude and possibility and truly appreciate that and welcoming in what's for you before you even have the thing that you know is for you if you can see it and feel it and articulate it, it's already yours live it, live in the knowing that it's yours and And what's for you will come for you.

1:39:55Like we're the wholest, fullest, most complete version of ourselves that will ever be here and now. And just to live that and be that and see life through that lens, that's what excites me, man. And life keeps showing me the more I let go of seekings and attachments and outcomes and see life from here and now as my fullest, truest self and walk that path. And be really honest with myself. Life brings me what's for me. And I'm just like, thank you. And then when it brings me what's for me, I'm just like, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful to life for giving me hardships and lessons and blessings.

1:40:39So let me sit there and face it and see it and let go and live here and now. And be open to receive and to give. And that's what excites me, man. I appreciate you coming on man I'm going to leave all your details in the show notes description below everyone go check out Grayson and all the awesome work he's doing we dove into a fraction all the stuff you got going on I'm super inspired by your work dude and I appreciate you coming on nah thank you man for creating the space to host these and showing up the way you do man because without you seeing it the way you do you wouldn't be able to hold these conversations so it's a pleasure to share it with you appreciate you guys for tuning in thank you so much man thank you bye Bye.

1:41:21Bye.