#87: The Most Polarizing 20-Year-Old in America (Savanna Stone)

26:46Like I want to make sure that she knows that we're good in a sense. And I just felt like for me, that was a responsibility I wanted to have. And I think as men, we want that too. Like that's quite a big desire for men deep down. And I was trying to ask ChatGPT if there was anything that a woman's biology supported that she doesn't need to go through challenge, pain, and hardship. And it said, it debunked me and it said no. It said there is no part of a woman's body or brain that inherently exempts her from needing challenge, pain, or hardship to grow into an extraordinary version of herself. Just like men, women are shaped by their interplay of biology, environment, and life experience.

27:25Growth is not gender exclusive. It's human. And then, this is where it gets really interesting, is not every woman has to climb the same mountain to become powerful, but she does have to climb. And I said, let's elaborate on those mountains. It says, when we speak traditionally, the mountains men and women climb often look different, but they rise to the same height, and both require strength, sacrifice, and self-overcoming. For men, the mountain is usually external. It's the pressure to build, protect, provide, conquer. He's expected to step into danger, shoulder responsibility, fight battles in business, war, or life, and come back with scars that prove his worth.

28:04His challenge is to become useful, to be respected, not just loved. He's not handed value. He has to forge it. For women, the mountain is often internal. It's a journey of self-trust, boundaries, worthiness, and discernment. The world will love her for her beauty and softness, but not necessarily for her strength. That strength must be claimed, not handed. She's tested not by whether she can endure pain, because biologically, women are some of the most pain-tolerant beings on the planet, but whether she can endure the world's desire to define her. Her challenge is to become sovereign, to be loved and respected without losing herself in the process, to remain soft but never small.

28:43And now these are the key differences. Men are challenged to step up to responsibility. Women are challenged to hold onto themselves while the world tries to shape them. One is forged by pressure to perform. The other is forged by pressure to conform. That was really good. How good is that, right? Chachi-fi-ti, okay. And so, was that good? Yeah. I think it said it perfectly because that's kind of going back to what I said is we're kind of given these two options. Of like, okay, well, you can go down the boss babe path or you can go down the be independent with a man path. But then also we're told that we are defined by our beauty.

29:21We're told that we're defined by a body count. We're told that we're defined by the person that we're with, whatever it may be. And so what I tell women, too, is you're going to go through a lot of suffering, but the challenge is staying soft after the suffering instead of becoming hard from it. Because a lot of women, they'll go through abuse, which is terrible, and I feel so awful for those women. They go through things with their parents, maybe. Maybe they have trauma from their childhoods, and they become hard because of it. And the challenge is staying soft and forgiving, honestly, which is one of the hardest things to do.

29:54But it makes you soft instead of becoming hard. That's fascinating. You're going to go through shit. Life's hard at times. It's not supposed to be easy. But your ability to remain soft through all of it, it's kind of like when a man goes through pain, his ability to his ability to become calm off the back of that and stoic is quite powerful right and potentially i mean stoicism being stoic is is probably an attractive trait for everyone but then for a woman it's like how do we go through shit and get weathered but at the same time we can remain soft and pure and deep and like remain deep down what our soul truly wants like How do we keep that when the world's trying to take it away from us?

30:44Right. Right. And that kind of reminds me, too, the first feminists, like the first group of feminists, Mary Wollstonecraft, Elizabeth Stanton, they all have one thing in common, and it's that they had awful childhoods and they dealt with really awful men. They were all abused by either their fathers, their boyfriends, or their husbands. And so that's what made them really hard and come to feminism, which was this idea of destroying the family. It was very anti-Christian. It was very anti-men. But it's because they had all those traumas. And instead of those traumas, you know, keeping them soft or like them being able to forgive and move on and say, well, no, not everybody's like this, it made them really hard.

31:22And so it kind of makes you have a little bit of empathy for the feminist. Like the first feminist, it kind of like makes you relate to them. But that's why is because they went through those things and they became extremely hard because of it. Yeah. People say that the initiation of the feminist movement was quite positive, and I've heard you say that you don't agree with that. Why so? Well, there's a few different types of feminist, and there's a few different types of feminism, right? There's first-wave feminism, and actually a lot of Christian women or women who believe in traditional roles, they praise first-wave feminism because first-wave feminism is believed to have given us the right to vote and the right to work and all those and the right to speak publicly.

32:08Like people will say all the time, why are you so negative about feminism? But the whole reason that you're online and you're on social media is because of feminism. It's completely untrue. So you have like your raging blue hair feminists, right, who are just like all in on third, fourth wave feminism. Then you've got some people in the middle who are probably more liberal leaning. They don't really like men too much. Like they think women are superior. And then you have women who a lot of times are in my comments and they're like, but I don't understand. Like, you kind of have to be a feminist because it means that men and women are equal.

32:41And that's not what the movement, that's the dictionary definition of feminism, but that's not what the movement stood for. That's actually not what it is. I think that's just kind of like a psyop so that we think feminism is okay. And these women think that they owe it to feminism to be grateful for it because they think that that's why they have all the opportunities. And I am very grateful for the opportunities that I have as a woman. Like, I'm grateful I can sit here today and be on camera and talk to you and be on different podcasts and be online. But that was because of the patriarchy. And the patriarchy protected us.

33:13And it was always this paternal protection. But then it turned into this toxic thing that was so oppressive for women. And that's what the feminist movement started. They had started attacking the patriarchy. And what's funny is, too, a lot of women don't know this. And feminists actually don't know a lot of their own history. But women could work before feminism. It was not this thing that they were like, all of a sudden, they could work. I mean, Mary Wollstonecraft wrote a book about feminism, and it was published and became very successful. And that was before feminism was even emerged. So it's just all these lies around it.

33:45And I cannot get behind a movement that has killed over a billion babies, that has tried to destroy the nuclear family from the beginning, that has told men that they're pretty much worthless and that women are superior, and that has put us in so much competition with each other. I just, I can't stand behind it. Yeah. So you just said it's killed a million babies? A billion. A billion babies? Over a billion. And the way they're getting that metric is by average babies per home and the decrease of that? Abortion. Abortions. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, there's been a billion abortions. Yeah. Oh, gosh. In my generation alone, in our generation alone, Gen Z, 880 million about.

34:26Like, that's the rough number. Wow. Of babies that would have been in our generation. Wow. Yeah. Do you think that a lot of the feminist movement as well lacks substance? like they use a lot of fear-mongering terms like misogynistic and manosphere and what are the other toxic masculinity and all these they just use these big terms right masquerading as care like mansplaining all of the thing it's ridiculous but then when you ask them what they mean they just will pick on something else surface level like a prime example like there was one guy that was coming after me. I think he was a guy. He was coming after me.

35:10And anyway, he was making these ridiculous videos and he was like, my name's Chris Griffin. And so Family Guy, like the cartoon, like the little fat kid of Family Guy. And so he was like making these, he was making these things, like sharing supposedly a serious topic. And then the backdrop was like family guy walking through and all this stuff. And anyway, I did this response and it was like debunking everything. Because it was like his 20th post on me just trying to get all these things. He's like, oh, fly to you. I want to come on your podcast. Like, you're not coming to my podcast, man. Anyway, but he, I would say something and it was debunking all of these surface level comments.

35:57And in there, I said that he's letting his monkey brain jump around and stuff. And the definition of monkey brain is kind of like you're just hopping between things and you're being a bit chaotic and not very calm and stoic. And he then took monkey brain and said that I was being racist. And I'm like, that is literally what this feminist movement does. They will use these massive terms and then they struggle to substantiate any of their claims. They struggle. They just go, it's toxic masculinity, masquerade as care or whatever they say all this crap. I'm just going like, but then when you try and elaborate it, they don't elaborate anything.

36:40Do you think that's a common thing in the whole movement is like, let's use these big fear-mongering tactics, but then they never even actually at length unpack why they're hating the thing they're hating? Yeah, it's a huge echo chamber. I mean, if you notice on every single video of mine or anybody else who debunks feminism and actually likes men, they'll use it. It's like it's literally an echo chamber. Like you scroll through, say what toxic masculinity, you're sexist, you're misogynistic, you hate your own gender, you hate women. That's why the comments at this point, I'm just like, whatever, because it's the same thing over and over again.

37:15Perhaps what it is as well is the reason they don't substantiate their claim and they don't unpack it further is because all it is is just a mirror. And everything is just a mirror. Every single way that you're reacting to anything, positive or negative, is just telling you a bit more about yourself. And that's quite a confronting thing to understand because if you're hating or you're explaining something in a negative manner, it's probably telling you a bit about something that's not very nice about yourself. Right. And so when you go to unpack it, they have to look within and they're not willing to do that.

37:48So they just push the problem onto you and be like, no, you're the problem. Projection. But really, it's like, OK, well, maybe that's just saying a little bit more about you and what you do or do not have. Absolutely. Absolutely. Or just the propaganda that they've been fed. And they believe it so hard. And again, why do you think that our government went after women with feminism instead of men? It's because women are more susceptible to propaganda. I mean, you look at TikTok, everybody wears the same jewelry, like everybody. I even do it. I talk with the bird hands. Like I talk with my hands.

38:22That's a kind of a trend on TikTok now that someone was unpacking how like we all do the same talking motions is because we see it. And so if you're listening to women all day and you're scrolling on TikTok all day and they're kind of convincing you to leave your boyfriend or divorce your husband and you're hearing that 50 times a day, they're more likely to do it. Same thing with feminism. It was very easy to infiltrate into our culture. Yeah, that's interesting. The projection of, oh, leave your husband, X, Y, and Z. If we tie back into this codependency piece, if you're not codependent, you'd be more willing to leave them and not troubleshoot and resolve anything that you guys maybe are going through.

38:57because the codependency results in you going, well, we're dependent on, let's figure this out. We're together here. We need to work as a team, not divide. So maybe if we tie back into this codependency piece, it's actually a necessity because then when you're faced with challenge, which guess what? It's inevitable. You can actually workshop through it and be on each other's team as opposed to dividing. Right. Yeah, that too. And that's kind of what I said about women wanting to work because they want to be independent because it gives them a way out of their marriage. And if you're always thinking like, I need a way out, like, oh my gosh, I have to have a backup plan.

39:35Then of course you're going to leave when something hard happens. So it's an attachment issue as well that you're scared of committing potentially. Yeah, absolutely. They're scared of commitment, scared of what may happen. I mean, I get the, I get the stupid comment all the time. Like, what if he leaves you for someone younger in 20 years? And I'm like, well, first of all, 80 % of divorces are filed by women. Men don't really divorce their wives that much. It just doesn't happen a ton. And also, like, we're committed to each other. This is not going to happen. Christ is at the center of our marriage.

40:04I just, it's such a projection, and it doesn't really happen either. Yeah, let's go on to this Christ piece. You've been referencing a lot. Obviously, you're a Christian, and you said it's at the core of your marriage. if we think about like the the trust piece being able to have trust do you think that plays a massive role is going like i'm a believer and there's a level of freedom that comes with that because you're you're able to know that everything's perfect divine and right on time and have trust in whatever's being presented with you and then that kind of can strengthen the marriage where do you think your religious beliefs tie into your marriage and your life?

40:47So marriage is so beautiful because it's a representation of how Christ loves his church. Like the woman submits to her husband as the church submits to Christ and Christ loves us as the husband loves the wife. So it's the only relationship that exemplifies Christ in our world. And so that's why it's so beautiful. But as a woman, I trust God with everything. And that's why I'm so free, because I trust him. I know every single thing that happens, there's a divine purpose for it. And so when I think of my husband, I think of, okay, well, I trust God, and my husband is submitted to God, so I need to fully trust my husband completely.

41:27And if you have a husband that's submitted to God, and you're submitted to your husband, and you're submitted to God, then nothing—what are you worried about? And so I can understand how someone who's completely godless and just believes in the universe or zodiac signs or whatever could feel like something bad may happen and they would need a backup plan. And that's why this is probably going to be a hot take, but I don't understand why anyone would get married if they don't believe in God. God invented marriage and it will not work or it's going to be hard or people aren't going to understand their roles.

41:58A woman's not going to understand why she needs to submit to her husband if she's not submitted to God. And so that's why it's so important. Do you think it needs to be God in the variation of Christianity and Jesus, or do you think that it's okay to be in marriage and acceptable if you were believing in God in a different way? What do you mean by that? Like, the thing is that, and I'm not Christian, I've had to, I guess I didn't grow up with any religion in my family, so everything's been on board and just through, I seek to understand, I want to speak to so many different people because I'm still trying to form my own beliefs.

42:33But one thing I've resonated a lot with a guy, Giogo, he's one of my friends back home in Australia. He's probably the most educated on religion and he's probably read the Bible like a thousand times. He's literally been, he grew up in a family that his religion was like a combination of Judaism and Jehovah's Witness. It was this really, you couldn't even say I love fruit in his religion because it was like that strong. So he got kicked out of, anyway, he got kicked out of home at like 12 years old and he had to figure all this out. But he knows all religion like back to front. And so I value a lot of the stuff he says about it.

43:10But one of the things that I really love that he said is he's like religion came to separate people. The biggest thing that Jesus hated was religion. Yeah. And because it's Jews and us, Christians and us, Muslims and us. And there's no, like, everyone's not united. It's like a divide. And so where I'm getting at with this is you mentioned like you don't know how someone could be married if they didn't believe in God. Do you think it needs to be God in the Jesus form? Or do you think that as long as they have some connection to a power where they have trust in everything that's going on and there's a high level of trust in their life through whatever their belief is, then it could still work?

43:54Everything that I believe is based on the Bible, nothing added. And religion does divide people. It really does. That's why we have all these different denominations, and they all fight with each other and argue. Literally, the answer is Jesus. It literally says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, and all who come through me will go and spend eternity with me. And so we've added so many different things to the Bible instead of just focusing on the Bible and reading God's Word that we have access to, and we have access to God. We can talk to Him anytime. And I think that's why a lot of people are put off by Christianity.

44:26And sometimes I don't even like to use the word I'm a Christian. I like to just say I'm a Christ follower or I'm a believer in Christ because that word is associated with so much negativity because unfortunately a lot of people have church hurt or, you know, they've been in a really religious strict family and it's kind of scared them away from the faith. But it's not religion. It's a relationship with Christ. I don't look at it as a set of rules. I look at it as like this is my guidebook for life. I have access to Christ. I can talk to him anytime. I know that when I follow Christ, my life goes better.

44:56I know when my husband follows Christ, our marriage goes better and his life goes better. And I know that for so many people around me. So I would say, and the Bible is true. It's 100 % true. I mean, it's literally told us what's going to happen in our culture. It's already predestined everything. It's told us. And it's kind of cool because with everything that's happening in culture today, you can look at the Bible and it literally told us that that was going to happen. So it makes you trust it even more because you're like, wow, like God was right. we were going to experience all of this. It says that believers will be persecuted.

45:29You'll be persecuted for your beliefs. Look at who's persecuted online, everyone that spreads any sort of Christian rhetoric or any sort of traditional rhetoric or conservative, whatever it may be. Yeah, I was at a Bible study the other day and he was voicing that like it said in a verse in the Bible around if you're not getting hated for believing, then you're not preaching enough or something it's like you're not embodying it enough or something like this i 100 % agree with that it's a cost to to doing it um what's interesting is is the people that are the people that can embody it properly and treat it just the way as a way of life like like not saying oh it's a religious belief it's like you know it's just the way you show up right i like being i like when people uh are embodying it and you can just see that that that they're living what they're preaching and they're just giving off this energy that's contagious because of what they believe.

46:31I think it's so powerful when you just see someone that has belief. I don't think there's enough belief in this world of anything. People don't believe in themselves enough. People don't believe in taking a risk and giving life a red hot crack and saying no to that thing that they don't think serves them. People aren't willing to believe in themselves enough and believe in something in life. And I think that holds people back. Like when people can show up in a way that they have conviction in their message and what they believe in, you can tell that they are embodying what they believe. That's a superpower that I don't think enough people hold.

47:04And perhaps all of the way that society is pressing things down your throat, it's making you question things more. Like, I'm not allowed to walk up to a girl on the street because I'm a creep if I do that. And I'm not allowed to do this because I'm not. And if you do that, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so all of these things are just making people have this skepticism about even their own thoughts and their own minds and the thing that they truly want to do. And it just takes them further away from the soul-led version of them. And perhaps it's more about if we can have God, use God as a vehicle.

47:39And again, I'm not religious. I'm trying to piece it all together and make my own little thoughts. But perhaps we can use it as a vehicle to access the true soul-led version of us and have trust that we can do what feels right and do what feels called and not be so influenced by everything else externally in life. Yeah, and that's why even though I'm a content creator, I try to spend time off social media because it will influence you and it will tell you who you are and it'll put you into this box and it will tell you what you ought to do as a Christian. And also, going back to what you said about, you know, if you're not living out your faith and you're not being persecuted for it, then you're not doing it right and you're not standing bold in your truth.

48:23I think that we would have a much different culture if everyone who believed in God or stood on their convictions and their beliefs and were really strong about it. For example, you know, Christian influencers that I know for a fact are pro-life, but they won't talk about abortion because they're scared of losing their brand or they're scared of being canceled. If we had more of them step up and talk about it and be bold about the truth, I think we would have a completely different culture. But it's just it's not normal to be bold about it. And like everything I say to my husband, not everything, but everything that I have in private conversations about my beliefs, it's on social media.

48:58Everyone knows what I stand in and believe in. And I think that's really important. I think if we had more people stand up and be so bold in that, that it would be so different. Do you think that's why you've blown up so much, though? Because people think it, they just don't say it. Yes, I say what people are thinking. Yeah, I mean, I had someone come to me the other day. She sent me an audio message and she's also living in Australia. And she was like, I love that you just don't give an F and like just say whatever you want on social media. but I'm like, I don't. Like, I'm going to say, I'm going to tell the truth.

49:30I am. And I think, too, there's not enough authenticity on social media. It's just like kind of this very beautifully portrayed, you know, even if someone's speaking, it's like, do you believe that? Are you not saying like the full thing you believe? Are you trying to protect your brand? Are you trying to be brand safe? Are you trying not to get canceled? And that's why we've let cancel culture win is because everyone's scared of getting canceled and scared of not standing up for their beliefs. Yeah. I look at this and I think about the importance of staying true to yourself and saying what you believe.

50:05Like when all that stuff went down, in like the span of four days, I lost like a lot of my sponsorships and my brand deals. And so I had long-term deals. And yeah, we lost like a fair bit of money. It was weird how perfect everything is. I made more money that week than I'd ever made. When you were being hated on? Yeah. Yeah, but it wasn't about the hate. It was about like just something I'd launched in the same week. Okay. And it was just perfect divine timing with everything. But what I realized was that I didn't lose the brand deals when I said the thing and it blew up. I lost the brand deals when I doubled down.

50:39And so for the first time, I truly understood, like people talk about selling your soul, but for the first time, I truly understood what it actually meant. Because if I didn't back down, if I bent over and said, sorry, I wouldn't have lost the deals. And they were big deals. And there's so much freedom in being able to lose them and be so okay with that. Because now, I don't care. Like, for example, I interviewed a guy, Andy, last week. It'll be out by the time this is out. And one of my new sponsors told me not to interview him. And I'm like, well, I like the guy. I actually want to interview him.

51:17And so I interviewed him and it's coming out. And like perhaps before it all went down, I wouldn't have done that because maybe I would have been scared. Probably not, to be honest, because. Whatever. It's like, what's the point? I truly believe when I think about it all, I just go like, what's the point of all of this? Like take away everything I have before my soul. Yeah. I don't, none of it actually matters. If you can't say what you believe, what's the point of it all? It doesn't, the number on the social media screen or the views that your video will get or the money that you make, like none of it really matters if your head hits the pillow and you just go, I did something I did not want to do today.

51:59Yeah. Then you're a slave to the money or you're a slave to the brands or to your audience. And I will never want, I never want to be in that position where I'm laying down and I'm like, either I didn't elaborate that I didn't say what I wanted to say. I kind of like shut myself down to appease this brand or to appease this certain part of the audience. There's no integrity in that. No, there isn't. And hence why I still did the video and just didn't include the brand deal. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure like because I started out in a place where this was this has always been my brand. But I know a lot of influencers who maybe they were beauty influencers or wellness influencers beforehand.

52:36And then during the election, they started speaking about politics. They lost their management, their brand deals, everything. and now they're trying to recover their brand. And I'm like, no, no, no. Go with what you believe in. The right brands will come along because they have for me. And so I'm sure like a lot of brands are like, we'll never work with her, but the right ones will come along when you are authentic to yourself. Yeah. You mentioned slavery just before. I'm going to read something you said on the podcast. Oh no. You said, to me, slavery would be sitting in a cubicle from nine to five, staring at an Excel spreadsheet, answering emails and getting a 30 minute unpaid lunch break.

53:09Like, that sounds like hell to me. What doesn't sound like hell is cooking for my husband all day barefoot in my kitchen. That sounds like freedom. Yes, exactly. It's just so funny because a lot of the comments I get are like, you know, the other day I was trolling somebody because I posted a Q &A and they were like, you're my favorite slave. And I was like, thanks, I'm locked in this basement right now. What are you talking about? I'm a slave. You're a slave to the corporate industry and you're a slave to the government because you're paying taxes to the government off literally working a desk job.

53:40And that's not every single woman, but I'm talking about a certain amount. But I'm like, why aren't these comments on women who are in corporate, who are literally having to work 40 hours a week? They don't even get much maternity leave. I'm like, you have to go back to, they have to go back to work, like what, six to eight weeks after giving birth or something like that? That's insane. That's a slave. You're a slave to, you're always going to be a slave to something, right? Like I'm, I would say like, I'm a slave to God, like I submit to God and that's who controls my life. But if you're working like that, then you're a slave to your boss.

54:11I'm definitely not a slave to my husband. I have more freedom at home than I would in a cubicle. Yeah. It's just reframing what you think is, I guess, redefining slave. It's like this concept around sacrifice, right? People think that you're sacrificing one thing for another, but then they're disregarding that the alternative has sacrifice. Everything has sacrifice. Absolutely. And so I just love the way you frame it so simply. It's like working on an Excel spreadsheet and having an unpaid lunch break, you think that is better than making my husband the person that I love dinner after a hard day of work?

54:50Well, that's the feminist propaganda that we've been told that your career is somehow this sort of freedom. And unless you're an entrepreneur or self-employed, really, you're you're you're you're in the same predicament pretty much you've got a boss and you have to report to him um and so it's just it's just funny when I get comments like that saying that I'm a slave to my husband or something and they're at work in a cubicle and they can't leave until five I literally so whenever I was uh I think I was like 17 or 18 it was when my husband and I first started dating I thought I wanted to be a lawyer oh my gosh and so I worked at a law firm I did an internship at a law firm and I was also a makeup artist at the same time.

55:31So I was working so much. I had this internship from eight to five at a law firm. I had to clock out for my lunch break. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever. I'm like, I'm eating for like 30 minutes and I have to clock out for my lunch break. And so I think about that and I'm like, I had to wake up early. I had to get up at like 6 a.m., go to work, type on my computer and like send like print out stuff and go run and get coffee for lawyers and then clock out for my lunch break. I'm like, this is slavery. This is modern day slavery. So that's why I brought that up because that's, I literally, that was my job for a while.

56:05Yeah. You've been mentioning your husband a fair bit and he's in the room with us right now. How, how has it been, and perhaps you can come up and speak about it, but how's it been And since like all of this stuff's blown up and like your life has, and both of your life has probably changed because, you know, from being not in the limelight to in the limelight, I mean, I've experienced it is a different life. Like there's a level of things that change in your life when this happens. And perhaps a lot of it is self-inflicted too. Like you're getting, at least for me, you can get in your head about like, people looking over your shoulders and all this stuff.

56:48And it can kind of play around, play a role with that, especially when you're getting millions of eyeballs. But how's it been navigating you being in the limelight and copying all of this stuff, good and bad, and having your husband in the background dealing with it all? How has it been navigating this change? Well, I would say, number one, I don't watch any hate videos about me, YouTube videos, TikTok, Stitches, anything. I don't even read any comments anymore. So I'm aware of what's happening because a lot of times people will send it to me for some reason and I'm like why would you send me a hate video about myself yeah um I'm aware of what is happening but like I said earlier it's not affecting our reality we still live in the same house we're still married like we're fine nothing's happening in reality it's all on a screen to me that's a completely fake world so it's not it's it's literally not reality and I feel so bad for I kind of grew up in it like I was kind of at the cusp of like you know I got a phone I think when I was 15 or something, but I didn't have social media until 17.

57:46So I feel bad for the generation after us that's growing up with social media from a very young age. Like they're growing up in it, so they think it's reality, but it's really not. And there definitely was a mental shift, you know, from just going to having a normal life to being a public figure pretty much. And, you know, people recognizing me or constantly being worried about people recognizing me in public if they're like on the wrong side. But for the most part, it's been all good things. I've met incredible people. We both met incredible people. There's been mostly positive feedback from what I can see on social media.

58:25And honestly, my husband's super stoic too. So all the rumors about him, like he just laughs and he has no idea what's going on. He's like, whatever, it doesn't matter. Did you want to come in? Come on in. Do you want to join? Use the same mic, but maybe just move over that way a little bit. Maybe move this way. And you guys introduce yourself. Say hello. Oh, they're going to freak out over this one. Have you been on, yeah, just pan that out a little bit. Have you been on social media since all this has happened? You can be further away. Okay. Lightly, not as much as I was in my past. It's just kind of not my focus.

59:07and I really don't feel the need to stand up to something that isn't a real threat, frankly. And I don't mean to like sound like over masculine or anything, but it like, I don't, there's nothing until something affects our marriage physically or in like the real life or like in the present moment, then yes, I will act out and do what I need to do to defend and protect what we have together. But until then, like it's, it's a waste of my time. It's a waste of my energy i need to focus on building my business and where i'm going and the current business that i'm at and like focusing on investing into her and loving her instead of like being all distracted with all of this like noise that's just like complete like buffoonery and fake yeah savannah mentioned the word stoic um and she mentioned you were quite uh calm and stoic just just so we can have a bit of context on who you are uh where do you think that's come from and where do you think the stoic approach has come from?

1:00:10Have you been through certain challenges that's made you be calm? Because I think when we look at probably one of the most attractive traits in a man, it is probably being calm and collected and stoic. A lot of the time, there's a price tag of pain that comes with that. How's your life been and what do you think has got you to this stoic state? Definitely hardships. Maybe come a little bit closer to Mike. Like definitely, definitely hardships and trials. Like as everybody knows, that's how you grow and become strong is like through the pain, through the suffering. Like I believe to achieve the highest version, speaking as a man that you can become, you have to do that through suffering.

1:00:51And that's biblically backed as well. Like if you look at the story of Christ and his death on the crucifixion, it was the most brutal suffering ever recorded in human history. Yet he fulfilled his highest purpose through that suffering. so I think it's absolutely essential for a man to be broken and completely like feel hopeless and to reach that like the bottom of bottom and the deepest deepest of lows to and at that low you have a choice man you you either fold to it and bend the knee and become a victim and just like completely throw your life away or you have the choice to be like okay I have nothing to work with but through God, I'm going to get through this.

1:01:30I don't know how, but I'm going to like shut out all the, all the noise, all the negative talk, just turn that, that voice off. That is just like, give up, go cope this way with drugs or porn or woman or going out drinking or just like part, like it's just, it's, I couldn't imagine myself doing that. And I think I developed that from a really young age again, just not from anything that like I did. I just, I grew up in a Christian household and I owe that to my parents and I think that really protected me from a lot and gave me the perspective that I have now so um yeah yeah so and and I guess what's interesting about this is when we think about a man's journey a lot of the time we feel like we need to achieve a certain amount of things before we're ready to settle down and have a wife and have kids.

1:02:21And we seem to be like wanting to be on this solo journey and go, we need to make something of ourself and then attract the dream partner to be the mother to our children. And then once we're ready there, then we can settle down. And obviously you're 23 years old, so you've progressed into this life relatively quickly in today's world, right? was there a point where you thought okay i need to build myself up before this or when you met savannah were you like i'm ready that's a great question um i knew i always wanted to be married young like from like really like puberty and like since i started to be like being attracted to girls and stuff like i just was like i valued companionship and partnership from such a young age i don't know why maybe it was just like inherited in me from again my beliefs in christ and just like seeking just like the ultimate relationship that we can experience in this life I just always like held that to the highest standard that was always my goal I was always like thinking and like basing every action and like thought that I had and like relationship I would like try to be so intentional about that I'd be like okay like what I'm doing now is that going to align with the husband and the man that I want to be when I'm married to my wife and is this getting me is like this decision getting me closer or farther from that so it's it's something that I wanted and as soon as I met her and she checked up all the boxes and told me that she wanted to marry she was actually the one who told me she wanted to marry me first believe it or not like two weeks into our relationship and hearing that was like wow I thought I thought I was supposed to kind of like initiate that and like pursue her which like I did at first but she was the one who was like hey I like I think I'm gonna marry you as crazy as it sounds not to scare you off or anything so like as soon as I heard that I remember she sent me that through like a long voice message and on my way to work I just like sat there with that message and like replayed it a couple times and I was just like okay like that's what we're gonna do and like I think what yeah less than a year later we got married and when that happened did you feel an increased level of pressure to provide and and did you feel anything pivot in your life when you knew that you were committing and and committing to savannah i guess you could say tremendously yeah there was getting married there was just such a there's such a peace about it and such a a protection that god blesses you with making that covenant to one each other and to one another and to him um it's really something you just have to experience yourself like i can't even put how good it is into like words frankly um i'm still working on cultivating and i feel i feel the pressure and it's it's driving me to become that man more and more every single day so it's kind of like this like yes i achieved that like once we got married i was like okay like her family has like blessed her to me and like god has like blessed me with a wife so it's like okay it's like i'm finally here like this is my reality now like this is real the title the covenant the like contract is sealed so once I had that it was definitely a very heavy weight but it felt good it felt like through that weight it was giving me strength because it's like okay this is another responsibility as a man for me to take on and knowing that it makes me want to be stronger for her and for our future and for our future family so it's this constant like ongoing progression which is the most beautiful thing I think a man can have is like a supportive wife in his corner to propel him forward in his success and in his endeavors and his interests.

1:06:08It's the biggest blessing a man can have and no other thing besides God can fulfill that besides a wife. I believe it's in Proverbs, but the Bible says a man's greatest treasure is his wife and there is there's nothing closer to the truth than that are you proud of savannah tremendously yeah absolutely that's so cool beyond i appreciate you you coming on i think this is so inspiring um it's uh it's very cool i feel like when you when you think about the things that matter in in life like doesn't get much better than having a like a strong connection with your life partner and the person you're doing everything with um and i feel like you guys demonstrate that very well and it's very very inspiring so i really appreciate you chiming in and putting your face on the camera how have how have you dealt with you savannah mentioned you were you being stoic with the hate but you've received a bit of backlash from some i haven't seen it but from some of the stuff but like how did you go with dealing with whatever that was yeah so like she touched on earlier um the hate it it's it's all noise i kind of laugh at it i whenever i get it like people will find me from her page come to my page comment something dm stuff and like my response is like if i do respond and like the rare occurrence that does happen i will just kind of like give in like give into the comment and troll along with it like the other day i think i got something um accusing me of uh being hey i don't want to use the actual word for trigger purposes but um i think you can say that on you like what is it on youtube yeah okay we're i'm trying to get this i think i just don't want to get the show canceled anyways i got accused of being gay the comment was something along the lines of like happy pride month queen x y and z and uh i was just like absolutely right back at you and like every time i like feed into it and kind of just like i'm able to almost like point fun at me even if it's false or the most like obscure thing there's no response because it's like i'm confident enough in myself and in our marriage and what we have that like i we're not i'm not easily broken by like words man like it just it doesn't it doesn't offend me so i'm like i'd rather you like not say that in order for you to stop i'm just gonna kind of like hey i can make fun of myself too and there's no need for you to come and waste like your energy on trying to like tear us down because it does not affected us so that's kind of the best answer i have it just yeah it's just a laughing the laughing yeah it's pretty funny i love it man well thank you for chiming in and coming on i really appreciate it of course um thank you bye well that was cool that was great that was very cool and um that there's a first for first for everything i feel like that's so cool to bring someone in i I think the reason I think it's really cool is it's not normal, unfortunately, that there is young marriages now.

1:09:13Yeah. Like, it's very rare. In fact, you're considered weird and you're wasting your 20s. Yeah. It's the most ridiculous concept. Like, people say to me all the time as well, when I say it all the time, I'm like, I'm ready. Like, if the right person comes in my life, I'm ready. And I go, like, you realize when you have kids, like, it's going to be hard to travel and all this stuff. I was like, well, what do I need to see? Like, I don't know, they can come with me. Take the kids. Yeah, exactly. It's fine. But you guys are really inspiring. You're inspiring. I think it's really cool. And I want to commend how your journey's been.

1:09:56And I know what it's like when you just get put in the limelight very quickly. in the first month of me going all in, I gained over 100 ,000 followers on all the platforms. And it was a very interesting pivot in my life where I felt this level of pressure. And I don't know, I felt misunderstood. I actually felt more isolated. I didn't like the environments I used to like. I didn't like big crowds. And the more known I've become, the more introverted I feel, the more alone, the more I want to live out in a barn. It's weird. The more known I'm becoming, the less I want to be seen. And it's an interesting thing seeing how quickly you've just amassed an audience.

1:10:37And the reason you've amassed it is because you're speaking what people are feeling. They just don't have the courage to say. But is there anything you want to say before we close out? You know, I'll add to the thing about us being married so young. And why it's weird is because we've kind of infantized adults. Like we've told 18-year-olds that they're not adults, that they're children. And said that your brain doesn't fully develop until you're 25. And I always use this verse, which was said at our wedding. It's 1 Timothy 4.12, and it says, Don't look down on anyone because they're young, but set for the believers, an example in faith and speech and love and purity.

1:11:09And so we had that said at our wedding kind of as like a, you know, the Bible says to not even look down on us because we're young. But Timothy, in the Bible, he led a church that he might have been like 17, 18, 19, 20, kind of in the same age range I am. and he was like, God, like, am I qualified to lead this church? And God was like, yeah, you're qualified. Like, I have given you the gifts and the skills to do this. And so the comments always at me are like, you're too young to give marriage advice. No one should trust you. Like, that's what they try to discredit me with. And then they'll go after my husband and call him gay because I call him masculine, right?

1:11:47So they're going to say whatever is the opposite to try to discredit what we're saying. But truthfully, it literally says not to look down on people because they're young. And also, I think there's such a passion at this age for what you believe in, what you stand for, and even at 23, like my husband too. There's such a passion at this age and we kind of have to just go for it with full fire. Yeah. Let's go. Very, very cool. Thank you so much. In the show notes below, I'm going to leave all your details. You've got a school or like a, what's it called? The Submissive Society. The Submissive Society.

1:12:24Phenomenal. We didn't even talk about submission, but I'm going to leave all of those details in the show notes in the description below. So everyone can go and check it out. Go follow along, support Savannah wherever you can. And yeah, I just think you're awesome. It's so cool. Thank you. And so, yeah, I'm here to support wherever I can. But if you guys have made it to the end, screenshot this and tag Savannah and I on your Instagram so we can personally thank you for making it to the end. And leave us a five star review on Spotify because it'll help the show grow and help us keep getting awesome people like Savannah back on the show.

1:12:56We're in a barn in Jacksonville, Florida, and it's probably the coolest set that I've ever built. And I'm so pumped with this. And so thank you for being a part of it. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. It was great. Thank you so much.