‘Euphoria’ Season 3, Episode 2: Round 2, Baby

21:09Rob:That's it. Jacob Elordi is not giving interviews about this. And so on the talking heads, you know, section of the behind the scenes of episode one, it's Maude Apatow and Sidney Sweeney. And that's it. And I was just like, and Maude Apatow is like, with love and respect, not on the same caliber as Sidney Sweeney, Zendaya, and Jacob Elordi in her career right now. So I could kind of understand that, you know, and like they got Sharon Stone to talk about it. They got, you know, like whatever. But I was like, Sidney Sweeney missed whatever contract negotiation Jacob Elordi and Zendaya did. It's true.

21:38Rob:And she's just like showing up and talking earnestly about what Cassie is going through on Euphoria this season. And I was just like, wow, okay. There's also, you know, you talked about the commodification of the human body. And one critique I saw, which is a very fair critique, is that with the exception of Lexi, every single woman inside of this season is in sex work in some way, you know. Whether it's like Maddie sort of managing this sort of OnlyFans talent or Rue, you know, working security, or whatever her job is at cleaning toilets. She's kind of a fixer at this point. Whatever she needs to do at the strip club or Jules being a sugar baby or what Cassie is pursuing or the strippers that we meet inside of this episode.

22:22Rob:But I was thinking about it. I was like, okay, so all the women are doing this. And like, what are the men doing? And then I was thinking about the male characters on Euphoria and how, you know, Ethan's gone, McKay's gone. There aren't that many left. Like, is it just Nate at this point? On Alamo and some of the new introductions. Right. So it's like, so Ethan's gone, McKay's gone. Elliot, I think, is going to be at somehow in this season, but not much, I think. Fez, unfortunately, Angus Cloud passed away. Ashtray was written off, frankly, I think, because he was growing too fast inside of the show.

22:57Rob:And then, you know, Ali and Cal are very minimally, I think, being used this season. and then yeah we get Dylan Reed you know television star Dylan Reed very low maintenance and the whole Alamo crew are like new additions but like you know it's you know we lost Kat like but we've shed most of the male characters and the Alamo and Dylan Reed are not in that we're we're new young adults in the world mode that Nate is so it's just Nate my least favorite character carrying the load of that for the show I think that's kind of interesting. But he's in debt and he's, you know, he's really fighting the good fight against California regulators.

23:38It's really sticking up for somebody. I don't know who it is.

23:41Rob:Can I tell you something about Los Angeles zoning? I would love to hear it. Building laws. So I belong to like a gym that's a chain and it was really close to my house, my home back, back home in Northern California. But like down here, it's like 40 minutes. The closest location is like 40 minutes from here or my house. Like, you know, there's several of them. Then I saw they were opening up a new one like seven minutes from my house. I was like, should I quit this gym and join another one? Because there's a million in LA. Or should I stay with this chain that I like? They're opening up a new one seven minutes from me.

24:11Rob:So I called them and I was like, you say opening soon. What does that mean? And she literally started talking about the like zoning and regulation boards. And I was like, got it. Okay. She's like, 10 weeks minimum. I was like, okay, but probably longer if this is a documentary that we're watching here. So, yeah. I do think it's a totally fair point about the way the female characters in the show are represented and specifically the jobs that they have. I also think the show is yet again kind of pointing the camera at us and saying how you define which of those things are sex work is a kind of a personal reflection, right?

24:46It's like, I think some people might look at a sugar baby type arrangement as sex work and some people might not. Some people might look at like, I think the very delicate line that this episode gets into and really Maddie is navigating with her two jobs between why is like an established star allowed to do a revealing photo shoot, but an influencer who wants to be a star, it's like, this is beyond the pale, right? If they go to, it's like the tasteful flowers for you versus the tasteful flowers for like, if Nicole Kidman wanted to do this photo shoot, would be received totally differently. And she should.

25:16And she honestly should. And so, I mean, to pair it for Maddie's boss, like the call me old fashioned, but if you're sucking toes and spreading your beaver, that's porn. Right. I mean, Potter Stewart, you've been replaced. We have a new threshold. But also, I think that's kind of the point. We're showing people in various kinds of sex and sex-adjacent work and forcing you to make judgments on how you feel about them.

25:38Rob:How did you feel about the way that Maddie's storyline unfolded in this episode as Maddie's number one boy? I mean, Joe, there are so many things that disappoint you in life, and Maddie is not one of them. Yeah. So I was, frankly, a little shocked by how little jewels we got in this episode. I was kind of just expecting, given the way episode one rolled out, that this would be more Jules heavy. Right. But if you're going to trade off with literally anything, I would prefer it to be Maddie. And I really enjoyed her stuff this week. I think because we're not getting, you know, we've done this sort of like flashback to their childhood intros in season one and season two, all these characters.

26:12Rob:So I think without that, it's sort of like, what have they been up to? It's a really smart way to adapt that. And so the first episode, we get Rue and we get Lexi and we get Cassie and Nate to a certain degree. I don't really know how they got to their house in the suburbs, but okay. And then this is Maddie's episode. And then I have to imagine we're going to get a like yada, yada, yada. Without a doubt. I can only hope that's episode three or something like that. But they knew how to hook me and it was more Maddie out of the gate. Frankly, is there anything better on TV than Maddie pantomiming Cassie's whole deal?

26:45You want to do it right now? I don't because I don't want to clip it for social. I don't want the clip out there. Are you sure? But I was bawling in a very different way than Cassie is often bawling.

26:55Rob:I thought that was so funny. And it's like Ru's reaction where she was like, yeah, the crying. Okay, you can do that part. We'll stick with the crying. Yeah, Ru's reaction when she's like ding-ding round two and like it was very funny. But I mean, honestly, that's the way you revive my interest in the Cassie stuff is put her with people like Maddie and not people like me. I was wondering if you're going to have the opposite reaction where as the number one Maddie's boy, I thought you were going to be like, oh no, they've looped her into the Cassie storyline. God damn it. But she gets to go in and be extremely right.

27:26She gets to roll into the pool with the furs. Hold on one second. I'm still on the phone.

27:30Rob:She looks incredible. I mean, she has wisdom. She has grace. She's got it all going on. I have questions. Here's my one question. We get the product placement Mercedes-Benz hood ornament as Cassie arrives. She drives down the PCH. The Hans Zimmer score is scoring. She arrives right into camera. of the Mercedes-Benz logo cut across the street, Maddie, in her own Mercedes-Benz. And I was very curious about that because, like, Maddie's living in, like, you know, she's got this funky place that she's living in. She's got a ton of clothes that she's amassed, you know, probably through PR machinations, honestly.

28:07Rob:Right. But, like, she's got a ton of clothing, but she's, like, helping her mom with the rent. She's, like, the whole storyline is Maddie is, like, broke as a joke, but somehow, like, trying to project success. Right. The Mercedes kind of confused me. But it's not the class or niceness of Mercedes that Cassie's is, no? No, no. It's an older Mercedes. It's definitely older. And maybe that's kind of the play, right? It's like a Mercedes in name, but is it really? I like to believe it's Mika Kelly gave her that Mercedes. I would also like to believe it. Her entrance into the Paradise Club, I think, you know, as Sam Levinson and his DPs are talking about this sort of spaghetti westerns that are inspired by, but also just this sort of like L.A.

28:50Rob:noir, Chinatown 70s sort of thing, like her dreamy entrance into and Cassie being like, I am outclassed and like Cassie already looked like she stuck out as de classe inside of this country club. But when Maddie comes in just looking like a gajillion bucks, it was an incredible moment, I thought. Especially like the you need, oh, you need promotion. You need to know the right people. You need taste. It's like all of the shots. I have that. So she says, so she insists. I do think too, I mean, to kind of rewind before we even get to the Cassie stuff, as far as like what Maddie has been up to. Sure.

29:26Euphoria's treatment of the pandemic felt like a very euphoria moment to me as far as like, there's just a cohort of younger people, but really all people who just like were deeply unserious about any of this like global health crisis stuff fly out there. And it's like euphoria not only portrays that in a really honest way, but doesn't make any apologies. about it. And that felt like the closest we've come so far to the kind of like underage sex, drugs, and rock and roll appeal of the first two seasons. Not in the allure, but just like, this is a real thing and we're just going to show it in unsparing terms.

29:58Yeah.

29:58Rob:People didn't give a shit. And what I love is that Maddie's boss, played by the great Rebecca Pidgeon, is giving that line of like, people are, like, something serious is going on, but you can tell that she doesn't give a shit, actually. Dylan Reed with the mask like off his face. What's the point of wearing the mask if you're going to wear it like that? Like mask off your face, fucking family guy hat. Yeah. Just really, the shorthand is very good on this show. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound Terzepatide may be able to help. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity or some adults with overweight who also have weight-related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off.

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32:50Rob:Deciding to tell a Hollywood story is this fucking play about us kind of story with Sharon Stone as a showrunner, Lexi working as a PA and all that sort of stuff like that. to give us the world of publicity, what Maddie is representing, is like an under-explored aspect. But I'm friends with a lot of publicists, and it was just kind of a joy to me to watch her. We got a little bit of it in episode one, but to watch her work her shit inside of this episode was really satisfying. I could just watch the taking swipes at Cassie for hours. I really agree. If that was a whole spinoff show, I'd be tuned in for every episode.

33:26Rob:And Nate making it about him was pretty phenomenal. Well, let's, I mean, to spin off into the Nate and Cassie stuff for a second. We have to. We'll touch on it very briefly. I promise. How much of this do you felt like to give maybe Cassie a modicum of credit? Sure. How much was she actually interested in having an OnlyFans and being internet famous? And how much of it was, I'm going to put this thing on the table so that Nate insists I take it off and trade for the flowers? That's interesting. Or did you feel like there was a point at which it tilted from one to the other? Well, I just am not convinced she's done with it.

33:59I'm not either.

33:59Rob:You know, I think she wants attention. There was this whole the season two idea of the explanation for all the shit for Cassie season two is this idea of like if we're telling a story about addiction, she's addiction addicted to love. And however you wanted to find love. But like in this case, kind of just attention. Right. And the attention that comes from. And, you know, I will say in season one, the glimpse we get of Cassie as a young girl turning into a young woman and all the men around her who were so creepy when she still had braces on her face and stuff like that. So, like, this messaging that she's been fed her whole life that, you know, and that even her mom tells her, like, you're a beautiful girl.

34:41Rob:This is what you have to offer the world. This is what she's always been told she has to offer the world. Unfortunately, I have not seen much else inside of Cassie to give a counter argument. No, Cassie, pursue this because there's like not much there, there, unfortunately. I think there was in season one, but season two on, there's just like not much there, there, unfortunately. And so with her like, you know, and I say this with like, I don't say it to demean it, but like daddy issues, abandonment issues, all this sort of stuff like that. I think the addictive nature of the attention economy that is online, you know, whether it's only fans or just being on any kind of social media as a creator, I think that's irresistible to Cassie.

35:22I still don't particularly enjoy her scenes as of yet. Yeah. But I do think just the idea of turning the vacant nature of that character into a feature, not a bug. Like, again, making it what the character is about. Yes. Versus just like clearly underwritten in season two or like very shallow in season two, not by design. I'm intrigued by that. And specifically the idea that she has like, that Maddie clocks immediately of like, oh, she has kept on with this relationship to justify this betrayal.

35:52Rob:But this is what I'm talking about. It's like, Maddie's there to take swipes at Cassie. The Rue voiceover, like this dumb bitch, right, is there to take swipes at her. The neighbor couple who are like there in the kitchen with them at the end of the party are just sharing looks and eye rolling and just sort of like, should we go home? I want to say this, Joe. You know, we live in a non-kink-shaming time. I agree. I'm glad we can all come around the idea that baby stuff is weird. Like, there are some lines. They do exist. It's Maddie's number one boy at gmail.com if you would like to push back on Rob, who has come out calling certain furries basic and is now kink-shaming baby people.

36:32Rob:Is there a name for that? Baby people feels weird to say. It's a little weird, you know? Baby play? I don't know what it is, but I don't like it. And I'm glad that we're drawing a line somewhere. Cal is in this episode. Nate is in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt to a shady character. Maz that we meet in this episode doesn't seem great. Anything else you want to say about this? I think Cal's appearance in this episode and the way he appears to me is the most confounding thing about Nate. I just don't believe for a second that Nate, even all these years later, is like, yeah, come over, Pop.

37:06Rob:Yeah. I'm making some burgers and you can sit at my kitchen table and we're gonna have a nice chat. What? He hates this man. It's a great question. He turned him into the police. He sure did. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Here's my favorite part about the Cassie, the entire Cassie and Nate mess of this episode. The sequence where Juana, who gets to title this episode America, My Dream. Also, what a fucking pro. When she's like, should we keep the cheese? Should we keep the patties? She ate the blanket. Throw the pigs in the blanket. Was genuinely, I think, one of the funniest things that happened in this episode.

37:47That is the closest, I think, we got to seeing the real Nate. The Nate that we know is... He's like, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you.

37:52Rob:And I'm like, he will. He honestly would. Yeah. Also interesting that the baby play was beyond the pale. But Cassie full topless photo shoot with ice cream in the front yard. In the front yard where anyone can see. Front yard. Dude, I guess nobody noticed or nobody cared. Or they enjoyed it. Okay. Let's move on to a plot line I liked much more. I will say the rise and precipitous fall of Angel, played by Priscilla Delgado. She got less than one episode so far. We don't know, you know. I really don't think she's okay. I don't think she's making it out of Hope Springs rehab. That feels like a place you put people to disappear them, especially when she's talking about people disappearing in California.

38:33Rob:This magnet under the dirt, all this sort of stuff like that. Once Rue promises, I'll be back to pick you up. I promise. it'll be fine we're done we're cooked but Priscilla Delgado the actress who's playing Angel I thought she was fantastic really great and I thought this whole thing was really good I mean she's a hellcat the way she snaps her gum she can throw a fucking shoe yeah I thought she was great and like and like her breakdown when she finds out what happens to Tish the and then just like her complete completely dissolving yes you know she still looked like a million bucks but her hair was a little messy and so she is just falling apart.

39:11Rob:But, you know. That's the way it goes. I'm sorry to say. She's wearing basketball shorts. Oh, no. But I just thought, I thought this was really, really good. I really liked it. And I think the framing is really smart of she's kind of the girl who's catching Rue's eye. Yeah. And so then she catches our eye, right? Yeah. Like, we're following her in every scene to see, like, what's going on with her and Rue and then we're seeing the way that her friend disappearing is taking a toll on her. Her sobbing and trying to make these calls, like, trying to get in touch with this person who's disappeared from her life.

39:37and for as often as I would presume that kind of happens in this line of work or those adjacent to it, like this is uncharacteristic and this is scary. And like you just fall into her corner so quickly.

39:48Rob:Rob is writing lines. He's like, baby play, no. Also this, uncharacteristic. I'm clearly very familiar with how to run a strip club. Well, I think, you know, we're watching Rue, you know, she's like, I know a lot of people who have died from fentanyl, but this is the first time I've had to like help disappear a body. Watching her like clear the hair out of the drain, Like, let's eliminate every trace of this woman. And Chekhov's, like, earring or whatever that tumbles out of the rug. Like, there's a lot of Chekhov stuff inside of this episode. But, like, so Rue is complicit in that, right? She has just said, okay, God brought me here, but also have I made a bargain with the devil?

40:24Rob:And Sam Levinson and all of his subtlety is like giant flames in front of Rue as she says that, right? But you know what? You like it. That's why I'm here. I like it, too. This is why— I like it, too. Well, you brought up the Sheridan comp. Like, this is why I'm here and not watching Yellowstone. It's like, you're either over there, like, don't get me wrong. Maybe this is my background talking. I have great allowance in my life for people in cowboy hats speechifying. Like, I'm just, I'm on board. It's your route. It's where I come from. And so having Alamo, like, do his spiels out on the balcony, fucking in.

40:56Yeah. But I'm interested in more in like this, yeah, over the top, yeah, hit you over the head kind of visual flair than I am necessarily the soapier aspects of the Sheridanverse.

41:06Rob:I really agree. I have, like, honestly, I had the bullet list of all the sort of the complaints people had. My last bullet was like, and I'm still having a great time. I like this stuff. I like you more. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. But, so, watching Rue help disappear a body. Yep. And then drive Angel to this shady establishment that, like, she knows this is not on the up and up. Yeah. Right? If anyone, she knows what this is supposed to look like. And she's like, dirt under the fingernails are a no. Flickering fluorescents are a no. Like, the haunted aura of this place is an absolute no.

41:44Rob:And so, but she does it anyway. And if Angel doesn't make it out of that situation, if she is like already dead as we speak, that's two young women that Rue, a person who has been a young woman in peril in the course of this show herself is complicit in helping cover up. So this idea of like Euphoria season three talking about grappling with evil, it's like how much can we watch Rue be complicit in and still be with her? Probably we can go pretty far because Endaya is Endaya, but like what do you think? Well, how much can Rue experience that and go through and not go reeling off to the side as a result?

42:27I think this one is even different, right? There's the covering up, the death, and the OD. You could convince yourself and talk yourself into that if you're Rue, maybe. This is her trying to tell Angel the truth about what happened to Tish. Angel, her whole life kind of submarining as a result of that truth. And then driving her to the rehab facility where she might be disappeared. I just think Rue would take a totally different level of responsibility for something like this.

42:52Rob:Rue being like, they take you bowling. They do take you bowling. It's fine. Well, let me ask you this. obviously we are meant to wonder will we ever see Angel again? Is she just being disappeared? If you're Alamo though. Why go to the trouble of the sham of the rehab? What's the song it is? You just had Rue get rid of a dead body. Well, what if they, I mean, if you get rid of every girl that way of like just rolling them up in a rug, people might ask questions. But if a woman like, because if they just disappear that way by like staging an OD or something like that inside of a rehab facility, that's a cleaner way to dispose of someone, right?

43:30Rob:In theory. I guess in theory. It's just... I agree. It seems quite elaborate. The question is who is he doing it for? Is it for Rue and the other people working for him? Is it for the other girls at the club? Is it for just like the broader awareness of his operation? It seems like something he does all the time because they know to expect him. For sure. And all the rest. No paperwork. Guy outside with a cigarette just kind of like lurking about. It's going great. Stop. Here's the... here's the checkoffs list that I would like to run through. Let's do it. The camera in the sort of in the private room, in the champagne room.

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44:03Rob:Okay. We get double safe check-in in this episode, right? Over in Camp Laurie, the safe gets open to get the gun out because the pig is dropped off there. We'll talk about the pigs a bit more. And then we get Big Eddie, played by the great Kadeem Hardison, Dwayne Wayne from A Different World himself. Very excited for me. a 90s kid to see him. But, you know, Rue turns her back while he opens the safe there. There's two safes on each side of the warring crime families inside of this. So my question is, which safe is getting robbed or can Faye and Rue together double safe it? I would love the double safe path.

44:43Rob:Yeah. Especially now that we know Faye's fella, a chicken guy. Yeah. Just a straight up Nazi. Oh, you were surprised? Well, I can't say I'm surprised, but like whenever they had cooking, I didn't know he was like tat on the chest, flag on the wall Nazi. I had some questions. And you're like, tat on the chest, I can excuse. I've spent time with Boyd Crowder but flag on the wall. Maybe he didn't have the money to get it removed yet. You know, it's like, it's a process. Right, right, right. The laser, I mean, it's his whole thing. Yeah. I mean, I would love the double but I think the strip club safe specifically, any safe behind a painting is going to get robbed.

45:16Rob:Yeah, okay. I think it's both. I'm hoping for both and I'm hoping Faye's involved and I'm hoping it's like Because, yes, this show still has a lot of stylistic oomph, but we're missing a bit of the, like, Rue does a slideshow or something I really liked in season one, Cassie's, like, ice skating routine during, like, her abortion. Yeah. Like, these, like, really sort of surreal moments. Yes. We haven't had any of, you know, yeah. And so I wouldn't mind, this isn't quite, like, impressionistic or surreal, but, like, a Thomas Crown-esque, like, split screen sort of, like, multi-heist. I love a heist.

45:51Rob:Yeah. A double heist. I am in a dream world. While we're talking stylistic oomph, I think the Tarantino influence on these first two episodes is kind of like right there in ways that may appeal to you or may not. I did think in this episode, and this can get into the pig talk if you like. That's exactly where I'm going. That whole conversation was like, what is this? Okay. It felt like someone writing Reservoir Dogs tipping dialogue badly. It was like Reservoir Dogs meets I'm a white guy and I love to write the N-word into scripts all the time. I mean, Quentin, And we're also paging you on that.

46:23So our listener, Adam, wrote it and said,

46:26Rob:Great pod, but has a show ever modeled Quentin Tarantino so relentlessly and frankly, shamelessly? Did you both not notice this? I found it extremely distracting. And I will say in episode two, when the N-words start flying back and forth and you get written by, directed by, created by, executive produced by a white guy, Sam Levinson. I was like, I have some questions about this. But yeah, that whole roundtable with our guy Marshawn Lynch and felt very Reservoir Dogs. Very just sort of like Royale with cheese also. Just sort of like, you know, like talking about the nature of pigs and all that sort of stuff like that.

47:03Rob:It was, yes. It felt like it was supposed to be like buzzing, popping dialogue and it just was not. It was just not hitting for you. Were you, well, you already said you love watching Alamo speechifying. But other than that, anything else you want to say about sort of the dueling crime families? We get a bit with a dog, which you always love, Lieutenant Dan. He's fired from Watchdog Duties. Anything you want to say about this crime storyline? I also like the pig introduction at the end. I mean, look, we were going to get a Remember the Alamo or Remember Alamo drop at some point. Did it come faster than you thought?

47:38It did. I thought there'd be a little more restraint, but what show am I watching? I do have questions about the pigs in general. Like, are Alamo's pigs Deadwood-style pigs, which is to say the ones that eat dead bodies to hide them?

47:49Rob:That's so funny that you say Alamo. Yeah, okay. I was thinking, like, Guy Ritchie-style pigs. But yeah, same, same, same. Also, that works. Or are they tax-break pigs? If you have farm animals on the land, do you just get different accommodations for tax purposes? At least it is in a lot of places. We got to check the codes on California. Should we get some chickens? I mean, how much land do you have, Jo? I think I could do a small coop. We might have to go to like a processing quantity of coop. You know, you might have to have a certain amount where it registers as far. I would imagine, right?

48:19The people who have tried to loop this stuff.

48:21Rob:I don't like that you said processing. At least now we know how to do it after episode one. But I'm wondering what the purpose of the pigs is other than this episode. I thought for sure they were people eating pigs. I assume. Why be a crime boss and have pigs on your property if not to eat corpses? So we're burning the rug but feeding the corpse to the pigs. That's my guess. Also tracks. Also tracks in terms of like Alamo's larger thing with Lori about like, you took one of my girls, I'm going to take one of yours. And if like, I'm going to put the pig who just ate her dead body in your house and it's going to shit all over your floor.

48:58Rob:Shit like her remains on your floor. Yeah, I'm going to make this your mess. Yeah. Thematically, again, very elegant in the way that euphoria often is. Also just a lot of shit in this episode. And I'm not opposed to a Babylon style gag. And in episode one as well. Well, I mean, it's just like Rue and Faye shitting themselves in episode one. Obviously the pig shitting on the floor. Rue trudging through the shit. Some people thought we missed the dog eating the shit. I assure you we didn't. We caught it. I just didn't want to talk about it. I didn't want to talk about poor Lieutenant Dan. Yes. You know, but anyway.

49:27There's just a lot of shit. Yeah. Is that going to be a runner throughout the entire season? I kind of hope not. But who knows?

49:33Rob:what did you make of Jules entrance into the show this season Hunter Schaefer is here and he dramatically long wig etc etc I mean I want as much Jules as we can get and that seems to be at least from my view in watching seasons one and two like one of the fundamental tensions of the show is like how much do you want to put Jules at the center of the frame versus how much do you want to make her this like light that's coming in from the sides and her situation and her circumstances and who she is as a person feel a little different But honestly, Jules and by extension Hunter Schafer, like only more like ethereal here in season three somehow.

50:11Just like, I mean, it's a world.

50:12Rob:It's alien, almost in a complimentary alien sort of way. Full elven mode at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like always a welcome presence on the show. I love watching Jules and Rue bounce off of each other and try to make sense of each other and try to make space in their lives for each other and ultimately fail. So I'm glad we're here. Jules being like monogamy is a construct and Rue being like, so you're saying I have a chance. Really great. And the way that like Zendaya just sort of like plopped down on the floor, just like dirty Converse on, you know, like fresh off of cleaning the toilets or whatever.

50:42Just like great stuff.

50:44Rob:Jules, who shows up in season one as this sort of like, yeah, otherworldly, you know, alien creature inside of suburbia. Yeah. And to be even more sort of unattainably up in the clouds in this penthouse this season, I think is great. Particularly at first blush to feel like colder and a little more distant than she used to be. Yeah. And I really do think as far as, you know, those jumps in personality we were talking about for these characters, this one feels like really rewarding immediately. And I give Hunter Schaefer a lot of credit for that. Just in terms of that like physical conveyance of Jules in season one is very confident who she is in a very specific way, but also like searching for so much, including the affirmation of all these men that she's sleeping with.

51:30and then over the course of time like she unravels she puts herself back together she's trying to distance from her she's trying to pull her closer all that stuff is happening this just feels like a different person in the sense that she has manifested a lot for herself and convinced herself of a totally different set of life criteria and I'm very eager to see what that means for her

51:50Rob:anything else you want to say about this episode? I liked it I liked it too I really did like it I like this show I'm having a very good time with it so far because it's euphoria there's always going to be stuff in the mix that doesn't really work and that we don't really like very much but this is a fun ride for me i'm a little maybe episode three is just a total swerve off the cliff but i'm a little confused so far as to why the critical response was so poor i will say critics didn't really like season two either that was my experience so and and i think are super burned off the idol understandably because what a trash fire that was so i think you know they're just like sam levinson i'm over it fair enough yes One question you had had was sort of, given that these people graduated from high school, if we're giving a hyper-realistic version of the story, none of these people still talk to each other.

52:42Rob:Probably not. Cassie and Nate certainly aren't still together, like all this other stuff like that. But her force of will to make it feel justified. But your question was, how will the plot bend to have all these people intersect and interact? Yeah. How is it going so far? are you excited that Maddie's invited to the wedding? How soon do you want the wedding episode? I totally forgot she's invited to the wedding. Now I really need the wedding episode. Who else is invited to the wedding? Will this be the event of the century? I mean, Lexi obviously will be there. Lexi will be there. Parents will be there.

53:17Don't tease me with a Suze appearance in season three. I think most of it has felt fairly organic. The one that I was maybe like, I don't know that Rue and Maddie are just like hanging out like this, having this chat, but I also love that scene so much that I'm willing to forgive a lot. Yeah. I think the big one that this episode asks you to buy is that if Cassie did reach out to Maddie, then Maddie would go. Or that Cassie would reach out in the first place.

53:41Rob:The funny thing is, is like when Nate's like, for vengeance, like did you invite her to the wedding for vengeance? But like, that's why Maddie's showing up to like fuck with her and show off how much better she's doing, even if she's not technically, but like to make her feel that way. The, as you said, I could watch her make Cassie feel small all day long. It's very exciting. Get ready for round three. That's our most toxic trait. It's like we do want to participate in some level on the Sidney Sweeney humiliation ritual that is this show. And that's why he's Maddie's number one boy. All right, so Maddie's number one boy at gmail.com, press tgv at spotify.com.

54:18Rob:If you have further questions or comments or concerns about Euphoria, if you're hate watching it, if you love watching it, I'm curious to hear from folks how they're feeling. We didn't get a ton of emails from people saying, I freaking hate this show. How dare you watch it? So I don't think those people are listening to this podcast, but maybe they are. I hope not. One thing I do want to raise that I'm really glad we dismissed with very quickly. I don't know how you were feeling about the larger economics of drug running. I wouldn't say I had a great feel for like, how many runs is Rue going to need to go on to erase her$100 ,000 in debt?

54:51I'm kind of glad that we just like Alamo'd our way out of it. And it's like, she's in this different line of work now. we made sure we closed the loop so you don't have, you know, you don't need to go to the forums and like say that we left this hanging. But also like I didn't really understand how she was going to get out of it in the first place other than that's kind of the point.

55:06Rob:I have a really important question for you. How many of those Remember the Alamo flags do you think he has sort of stockpiled somewhere? You don't think it was custom work for this occasion. It's like he's got a box. That's his move. That's like his whole life he's been doing Remember the Alamo, don't you think? Alamo birth name or assumed name? Okay, not his whole life, but as soon as he called himself Alamo, he's like, get those flags. Get them made. Ready. What's the point of naming yourself Alamo if you're not going to do that shit? I really agree. Thanks to everyone who worked on this particular podcast.

55:40Rob:Dev Rinaldo's on this podcast. Jacob Gornetta's here. Kai Grady is around here somewhere. Not in a furry costume. And thanks to everyone at Sycamore. Anything else you want to say before we go? Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Maddie. Thank you, Rob. We'll see you soon. Bye.

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