‘Euphoria’ Season 3, Episode 4: Fairytale’s Over

24:09I didn't name it, you know? I'm just consuming the content. Would you consume 22 hours of bushcrafting? I probably have. Would we be worried? It's been a lot, yeah. On the Lexi apartment complex front, I want to applaud Sam Levinson for, like, the Melrose placification of this apartment complex. So the fact that Cassie is now living there, Rue stays with Lexi sometimes, like, they all have reason to be in and out of that apartment complex. And I think that that is great setup for television. It's quite an elegant solution to the like, how do we not all congregate in the girls bathroom at the high school?

24:43You found a place. And within that, I even think like some of these moments visually, as is often the case with Euphoria, are awesome. Like Lexi staring out her window or typing by the window as like the camera flashes come from Cassie's apartment. Which is another call back to season one when those girls shared a room and Cassie was taking news for McKay, like sort of against her will, like under the sheets. And you could, you just had the, like the flash of her taking the nudes and Lexi, always the watcher, always the observer, always the writer sort of taking notice. I thought like, I actually thought there were a lot of incredible visuals inside of this episode.

25:19The way that the Rue interrogation scene is filmed with like, not just the way that the pale blue of her suit sort of just like blends into the wall so she just like seems like so faded against the wall in that interrogation scene but also the shot from behind her head where you've got like one interrogator on one side and the other on the other there's a similarly framed moment at the funeral for paladin which you were here that was my biggest laugh was the tiny coffin for paladin but you see the the cross on paladin's grave and then you've got the like nazi chuckle fucks and fey like framed two on two on like perfectly framed around that as they craft their very elegant scheme to rob the strip club what could possibly go wrong at the end of the episode.

26:05One more I want to shout out to on the visual front. And it's like, it's skeefy and it like makes my skin crawl, but the early visual. The Alamo and Kenny. Yeah, exactly. Like the spreading leg silhouette. And his hat. Yeah. Completely. Yeah, like that's like back to some like really euphoria, arty visual stuff that I really liked about the show. Yes. So I agree. And I think particularly for that one, thematically, given where we go by the end of the episode in terms of Kitty feeling the transactional nature of this so acutely, it's like, you know, again, like this is sort of the original sin bringing her into this world.

26:38And very worried for that character, but also she's already living in the shit of it in a lot of ways. watching like having um angel's name be scraped like having rue yes let's not use passive voice rue had to scrape angel angel's name off of the locker and then slap the tape on there and just write kitty and like here comes another girl for the meat grinder to watch her and then like to have her like she's from kansas right kitty from kansas she likes to dance um and just like her very like small little girl voice her like do you have any more ketamine to sort of like numb this whole situation for me.

27:13Like similar to the one episode Angel arc, like I thought this was, you know, obviously deeply disturbing watching those like absolute Chad Brad's like, you know, gang rape her essentially. Like that was horrifying. But this was like, I thought a really well-seated, like the way we check in with her throughout the episode, I thought that was really well done. I want to give the show a lot of credit because I feel like whenever you have a break, a long break between seasons or a revival of a show of any kind, there's always this tension, right? Of like, you want to honor your original characters.

27:50You want to bring them along. You're going to bring them up. But you have to introduce something new. And I think this show, both with Angel, with Kitty, as you said, also with Rosalia's character, with Magic, like these are interesting new people to add to this world. And they're not given like a ton of screen time, but it's like very impactful, very well framed. You get these complete arcs within a single episode. So I think that part of the storytelling is actually very well done. Something that we were really hoping to figure out before we recorded was what song Magic was whistling menacingly at Rue when she exited the bathroom.

28:21And we believe it is La Rumba del Perdón, which is a Rosalia song. So Rosalia was whistling her own song as she exited the bathroom. Incredible. And she, as a performer, I have to say, it seems like she's having a great time. Excellent whistling. Excellent whistling. Excellent menacing whistling from Rosalia. And to check back on some prestige lore, perhaps, Joe, in the Rue versus Magic fight that's happening now, is this a snitch versus a rat? Is this a rat versus snake? What is happening here? Well, thank you. That's a poker face callback. Thank you so much. Well, we got a hood rat entered the lexicon here.

29:05Rue is At minimum Magic is ratting out Rue Yeah Who is a snitch Who is a snitch But is a snitch a snake? Is a snake a mole? Is a snitch a mole? I don't know Were you thinking about The Departed The Departed Of course When Alamo claimed You could smell the rat Always Well I was also thinking In this episode This did feel like In a lot of ways And I think with Rue looking at the monitors With her scraping Angel's name off the locker We have shifted from The first half of Goodfellas to the second half of Goodfellas. I literally wrote when she said, and that's how I became a snitch. I wrote Goodfellas in parentheses.

29:39Let's just call it out. Yeah, let's just call it what it is. Absolutely. And then I think this confirmed, like Angel's tragic disappearance, I think confirms that probably she was, like they removed her organs. I think that's what people think happens when, you know, those girls go in there that like they're still making Alamo some money. Or was trafficked or something. She was disappeared. Yeah, but I think based on context clues, I would say organ like because I thought you're gonna say based on my own firsthand experience. What have you been doing? No, but like they're already kind of being sex trafficked in the club.

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32:4118 plus trading derivatives involve significant risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tools. Let's talk about the poker scene. So we've got Bishop and Rue and Marshawn Lynch, a.k.a. G. Yeah. And Alamo. Marshawn Lynch is so funny on this show. He's always a delight, but particularly on this show. Playing poker. I thought that was a really fun scene. I loved it. Adding the poker, the tension of the poker hand. especially I would say Bishop feeling so certain that he had the winning hand he's like are we gonna wanna show us that turn how about the river like let's get I call I check like all this other stuff he's like let's keep this game going let's not forget we're playing a poker hand because I've got a really good hand yes Ru had a better hand it's very 3PO and Han like 3 ,720 to 1 never tell me the odds nice you know that is kind of what's happening here on the very eve of May 4th we try to honor ourselves and our histories.

33:40But I think, yeah, I love for any game within a game in a scene like this is really wonderful. I think the heightening tension and the idea that the old, like the side road that deflates all that tension is that it hasn't even occurred to Alamo that Rue would be a snitch. It's just occurred to him that she's an addict and that maybe she slipped on the job in this other way that could potentially be destructive to him. I love that deflation. I love, you know, the kind of gradual reveal of perspective play on like who has what hand there and like who's actually winning and who is actually in control.

34:10Yeah. I just think it's super well done. I thought it was really well done. There are a lot of theories flying around about there being another informant inside the organization. Do you have any theories on that front? Well, it's not Paladin. R &P. A lot of people think it might be Bishop, that Bishop might be an informant or an undercover DEA agent. Yeah. He strikes me as very pragmatic. Yeah. So I could see it in some track for that. I would be most excited if it were Bishop because it would mean more screen time for Bishop. Yeah. And we both agree who's a real standout this season. One of the standouts, for sure.

34:40But I think we're going to get more screen time regardless whether he is another informant or someone chasing down the informants, right? All right, let's go back to Cassie and Maddie. Yeah. I really like the juxtaposition of Maddie crafting Cassie's look at the same time as Jules is making her painting. So it's like these two artists, you know, shaping something. We get to those with Cassie too because then later in the episode, we get Cassie and Kitty sort of juxtaposed in a similar editing way, right? Yes, absolutely. And I think very interestingly, as Maddie tells Cassie, basically like, do not sleep with this influencer guy, Brandon, because as soon as you do, you're basically like surrendering your power.

35:17Yeah. And then we see Katie like do a version of that exact thing in the now transactional part of her job. It's like, again, there's so many things as far as the construction of this episode I really, really like. Yeah. And then I'm just like left wondering and grasping at so many other things. And you like want to take a sanitizing shower. I need like the Gattaca, like scrape all my skin flakes off shower. Like I want no trace of the person I was while I was watching this episode. Again, we watched it over. Yeah, Cassie. And what I like about this episode is I was so certain that Cassie was going to fuck that up.

35:51Like, you know, just like going to a second location with him. Like, I was like, she's going to fuck this up. She's pretended she's done coke before. And then she clearly hasn't. And she's just like, woo! And like all of that. But then she crushes it. Completely. She knocks the other girl out of rotation. And then when the camera shows up, she drops the at. She did it. This Pomeranian's got a bite, you know? Not just the yips. But is there a worse place on earth, do you think, than this particular influencer party in which, like, everyone in attendance is jockeying for the attention of this guy with his, like, fucking gimbal walking around the party looking for two girls making out?

36:30You don't have a gimbal at your parties? I'm not a gimbal guy. I'm sorry. At any parties? No. Okay. Gimbal Friesels. At the famed Mahoney influencer parties? No. Absolutely not. Yeah. And the way he was like on high and they were sort of shot from below, sort of beseechingly looking up really good. Do you think we can, you know, like we can't let Brandon win. He has 20 million followers. I think we should implore the people to go to Instagram right now. Follow Prestige TV pod on Instagram. We got to get above Brandon. This guy sucks. Yeah, this guy sucks. Right? Do you want him to outrank us? That would be cruel and ridiculous.

37:06At Presti TV pod. You should. To go back to the beginning when Cassie is leaving Nate with her matching luggage. Thrown off the balcony. Over the railing. Over the railing. The roller bag on the shag carpet. Great physical comedy. But Maddie rolling up to this like swooning Hans Zimmer. This like romantic. Yeah. this is like the love of your life. Here's your knight in shining armor here to rescue you, Cassie. And then the like extremely sad cut to the little blonde girl and the little brunette girl across the street who are not there in the wide shot. And so I was like, I mean, obviously they're meant to represent like a young Cassie and a young Maddie, but like, are we meant to think they weren't even actually there?

37:52And it was just like literally their childhood selves across the street. I don't know, but they're not there in the wide shot, which I thought was interesting. Well, it's a metaphor, Joe. Like a toe. Or the scar. Unclair. Again, toes, scars, children. It could be any of the above. Maddie knocking again on the door like she did famously in season two. Did you enjoy it? I enjoy all the callbacks. I enjoyed Maddie in driving gloves, scarf on her head, of course. She knows how to make an impression in every possible way. Something that I raised to you before we started recording is that something that Cassie's like hyper blonde tan lets like enhance all of the enhancements, the head to toe leopard, the pink of her apartment really invoked this figure from, this famous Los Angeles figure from the 80s, which is Angeline spelled A-N-G-E-L-Y-N-E.

38:45If you're not, if folks listening to this or watching this are not aware, she was this person who in the 80s, like sort of before Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian and sort of became famous for being famous. She came to town. I believe she put herself up on all of these billboards around town and used to drive around town in a pink Corvette. And just those things made her famous. Should I do that as a recent LA transplant myself? I thought you already did that. I had not. Was I supposed to do that? With the gimbals at your Mahoney functions. I didn't know that was supposed to be before you moved. I thought you get here first.

39:18Yeah. Scout out the locations, put up the billboards. No, no, no. You got a billboard first. Well, I fucked that up. Yeah, you really did. Here's a quote from a THR article about Angeline. Quote, Angeline had single-handedly created and then inhabited a modern myth of LA, the platinum blonde bombshell and the bright pink Corvette forever circumnavigating the city, seeking to enchant by dint of her sheer superficial glamour. It had the aesthetic power and emotional resonance of a genuine performance art, Marina Abramovich by way of John Waters, particularly as she kept on rambling around the city over the decades while she aged.

39:50so like this all of this visual language for Cassie as she leaves the suburbs comes to LA drives past the Cinerama Dome is anyone going to tell her that they're not showing movies at the Cinerama Dome anymore I don't know I don't want to be the one to break it to her but like this sort of like girl comes to the big bad city a la Kitty everything is probably going to go terribly for her would be my guess Is anything going to go well for anyone this season? Well, I mean, that's kind of what the show is, unfortunately. But I do think there are installations, right? And within the structure of this season, there's kind of a tiered approach to versions of the same like selling yourself idea, right?

40:35Like there's the people who are at the Silver Slipper who are in more desperate circumstances, kind of on the edge of being angeled out into nothingness and never heard from again. A couple steps up, there's this like influencer culture of people like Cassie who are so desperate. Or Caitlin, Maddie's former client. Desperate to grab and hold attention and are doing like whatever they have to do to do that. And then a step above that, there's like the LA Knights's and the kind of like the actual Hollywood apparatus. And you're starting to see like, for some people, those lines are porous enough because they get famous enough to kind of like jump into the next tier of selling yourself effectively.

41:10But if you're already at the bottom or you're close enough to it, like you can get kicked out the side door really, really fast. Yeah, I'll be interested to see which direction this all goes. Cassie landing on LA Nights before the season is over. Do you think that's possible? Seems likely. And then we were discussing this idea before we started recording. Could the finale or maybe the penultimate just be an episode of LA Nights written by Lexi herself? What do you think? I want that to be the case. Is this fucking nighttime soap about us? It's about us starring Cassie. You didn't like the play stuff from season two.

41:46That's why I want another crack at it. Okay, I really liked it, so I would love to see this. But here's the difference. I am somewhat repelled by theater kid energy. Oh. Present company excluded. Sure, tough. Tough for me. But TV person energy, clearly it has a kind of appeal and hold for me. So yeah, the idea of doing the TV pastiche, I think would be much more interesting. Let me just say, there are, as you say, levels to these things. There are. There are porous gradations of theater kid energy. and I just want to say for myself I'm not the kind of theater kid who would like break out into rent at a party or something like that there are levels to these things and that's just not me I think if the if the two part is this play about us had been more people spontaneously breaking out into rent it might have been an improvement like it was it was somehow more theater kid than that right you were like give me glee or give me death okay the only time I've ever thought it heist heist heist we get a heist but not like this man I didn't want it to be the Nazis Not the Nazis.

42:47I thought it was going to be cool girl crime. You should have specified. That monkey's paw. Really killing you in this moment. This is what I wanted. We got the safe in Big Eddie's office. Yeah. Got broken into. There's still another safe out there, ready to be broken into. Faye and her Nazi boyfriend and his chucklefuck brother, cousins. I don't know. They all seem inbred and related. In Obama masks. Yep. come and rob the strip club dare to hope Faye's telltale lips you know get them caught in not 4k I would say but on the surveillance camera you don't need 4k when you have the most recognizable lips in greater Los Angeles I thought that was a great reveal it was very good I was like what are we gonna see on this grainy footage I know then it's just like the lips they're unavoidable how do you feel about Rue I mean like Bishop could have identified her too he met her as well but like how do you feel about Rue about Rue just like giving it up.

43:44I mean, she was held at gunpoint. Like there was a gun to her head. I think all bets are off at this point. Giving up Faye though? I mean, she was the driver. She was an accomplice in this whole thing. I know they have a history. I know they've been friends for a long time. I certainly don't want anything to happen to Faye. But I mean, I think things have changed. Tough, tough. Very tough. I want to shout out. So Big Eddie who may not, I mean, he's not dead dead by the end of this episode, but. Bishop is not very concerned about keeping him alive. Seemed very close. Yeah. I felt like we heard air come out.

44:15Like, I was like, let's take him to the pit. They got to fix this. But Kadeem Hardison, who's playing Bighetti, as I mentioned in a previous episode, famous for playing the character Dwayne Wayne on A Different World, famously had on that show a pair of glasses where the shades part sort of like flipped up. That was like his signature move. So they had him do it in this episode. before they gut shot him. So, you know. Do you remember what was the line or the moment? I remember he flipped them, but I can't remember what it was in response to. I don't know, but I was just like, there he is. It's Dwayne Wade himself.

44:49Here he is. This whole setup, this is kind of what I was so energized by and then somewhat frustrated by was the setup of Rue and Magic and Big Eddie in the room with the ringing phone from Mom. I was loving everything that was happening. And so then when we get to like, oh, what if we stack a clusterfuck on top of this shit show by having the robbery happen at the same time. I kind of just wanted to spend another couple minutes to like, you don't have to play that scene out to its ultimate conclusion and like out anybody, but let us sit in the tension for a little longer. Did you think he was going to put it on speaker?

45:22I really did. Yeah, me too. I think the great tension creating devices that they've instilled at this point, the fact that anytime mom calls, like if you throw it on speaker, it could be a huge problem. Right. Also, anytime anyone does a line of coke, there's like the implication in the moment of like, oh, is this also going to have fentanyl in it? Is this also, is this person going to OD? Is this, you know, this other woman that Cassie is competing with just going to drop dead right there on the bed? Or is Cassie going to drop dead? Because, you know, it can happen to anybody at any time. Like there is a ticking time bomb with all of the drugs in this show.

45:55And Brandon like calling it out and saying like, do you know where this coke came from? I don't want to die. And so then I was like worried about going on that scene. And even Caitlin, the other influencer, when she was just like coughing and then vomited, but I was like, is she about to like - Straight up. Is that what the gimbal's going to catch? I'm a murderer? I did want to go back to the beginning of this episode because it really rests on Zendaya holding down the whole thing, which, you know, because the first, I didn't put a timer on it, but like many minutes at the beginning of the episode has just ruined that interrogation scene.

46:27And she is like funny when she does her Laurie impersonation, all that sort of stuff like that. and then and then there's a part where she knows she's caught and she looks so young all of a sudden and just I think as we mentioned before I think Zendaya's extraordinary on this show but I think the range of Rue the like charming Rue and then like so watching her both in that moment and then later when she's watching what's happening to Kitty like thinking contrasting that with the Cavalier gun dealer sort of schtick that she was doing in the previous episode is just sort of like the fuck around and the find out.

47:07And here we are, episode four of an eight episode season. We're in the find out. So how far does this find out take us? Where do we go from here? I especially love, you know, later in the episode, you almost get the inverse of the interrogation route transformation where when she's first being pressed about the phone and kind of like where she's been and what she's been up to and like magic is putting her on the spot as far as like trying to actually show some concern for Kitty and wonder why is it that she's here. she's like so caught off guard and so nervous and so anxious and kind of like fumbling and mumbling her way through as soon as she gets the call from the DEA that's like magic is on to you it is you or her you have to sell her out right now or else everything's going to go south she turns into a totally different person hood rat that's when the hood rats come out and it's like I love that Zendaya can just flip that in either of those moments in any possible direction because it just unlocks so much of the story as far as like where you can take things emotionally Anything we didn't hit that you want to make sure we hit?

48:03I do have a couple things, Jo. As a green apple advocate yourself, how did you feel about Big Eddie joining your ranks? Because I was really happy to have him. I just wanted to make sure. You saw that I had a green apple earlier this evening. You literally did as we were watching. I felt great about it. Welcome. Do you think that's the last apple we're going to get in our, I'm sure, twisted and extended biblical metaphor? It's the second green apple moment of the season, at least. So what was the first one? The apple on Rue's head. Oh, of course. I know because I took a photo of it and I sent it to Mallory Rubin and I said, welcome to Teen Greens and Dea.

48:35So, yeah. Just new people by the day. And Joe, one other thing that I needed to clarify with you because this was news to me. I was not aware until recently that Faye, the character's last name is Valentine, a la Faye Valentine of Cowboy Bebop. Did you know this and does this mean literally anything to you? I mean, I know I have watched all of Cowboy Bebop. Yeah. So, like, I am aware. Both the live action and the animated. John Cho, I support you in all your endeavors. Maybe not that endeavor. Not his fault. Even that endeavor. What does that mean to you? It's complicated. Okay. I don't know how to feel about it because it's both an incredible honor and I love this Faye.

49:11I don't see any similarity between these characters whatsoever. I don't know how it happened. But it's also like, it would be like if you named a character Indiana Jones. Like, I don't know how you back that up. I don't know how you're supposed to be the second Indiana Jones. Something I want to mention. I believe for the rest of the season, we are going to be filming these episodes about Euphoria on Sunday nights. We're going to be here watching this totally normal show to watch at work with your colleagues and then hopping on to shoot these totally not unhinged over-caffeinated episodes of a podcast.

49:43You, if in between the time that the episode drops, East Coast time, 6 p.m. Pacific, and when we record, let's say 8.30, 9 Pacific, something like that, you can email us. Yeah, we would encourage it. We will read them. We just got an email in. Do you want to hear it? I would love to. This is from our listener, Mitch. And he wrote, to Joe and Maddie's number one boy, I have reached a point in euphoria where the plot is the only thing keeping me going and that plot is Maddie's screen time. And once she enters our TV, I glean with Joy Rob and the rest of us witnessing her greatness. If Rob has a million fans, then I am one of them.

50:17If Rob has 10 fans, then I am one of them. If Rob has only one fan, it's me. If Rob has no fans, then that means I am no longer on the earth. If the world is against Rob, then I am against the world. XOXO, Maddie's number one boy. is number one fan, Mitch. Holy shit. Yeah, so Mitch loves you and he just wanted to let you know. And I just wanted to let you know live. It's not live. On camera. I genuinely don't know what to do with this information. But I'm honored. I'm flattered. I'm trying to absorb it. I mean, look, again, I'll do credit to Maddie. We all are following her plot lines in this way.

50:48She managed to make, there is a significant portion of this episode where the primary driver of plot is like, we have to create content. And I'm like, this is cinema. Yeah. So I don't know how she does it. I don't know how Sam Levinson does it, with all due credit. It's incredible. One thing I will say is that in that party sequence, which had many moments, but I would say like Maddie having lost track of Cassie, like hunting in the crowd, that's when I really could have used some labyrinth music, I will say. Like I really was missing it, especially I think. And Cassie up on the table sort of like beseechingly, sort of like reaching up.

51:25that could have used some labyrinth sort of grandiosity to it. So many moments could. I think that's one of the ones where it's like textually just makes so much sense. Zimmer's barely Zimmering in this episode. It's definitely not Zimmer. It's definitely like a third string. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's an underling Zimmer. Yeah. Zim Jr. Not great. I'm very concerned. Who should we thank? Who helped us in this episode here late at night? We should thank Kai Grady. Absolutely. I don't know how we dragged him into this. I don't know. We should thank Dev Rinaldo. Also, I don't know how we dragged Dev into this.

51:54Absolutely. Jack Wilson yes of course who is here Chris Wallers Chris Wallers yeah just like the whole Sikamore crew here on a Sunday night to help us out Jo thank you thank you Ramani thank all the caffeine you consumed to get through the day that was a lot um I don't know thank you to we can just be done with the podcast the DEA okay thank you to the DEA that's it for now we'll be back with Widows Bay with some other special projects that we have set for this month and for every Sunday night ill-advisedly instant reactions to you. We'll see you soon. Bye.

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