‘Euphoria’ Season 3, Episode 5: Toe to Toe

22:42Rob:Speaking of what media people are consuming, so at one point when Rue goes in to talk to Alamo, he's playing the trumpet. Yep. Kitty is sort of sprawled down on the couch. It's a metaphor. They're watching Gilda, the Rita Hayworth movie, which people who maybe are not Rita Hayworth knowers might know from Shawshank Redemption. It's the very scene where Morgan Freeman is like, this is the part I really like when she does that shit with her hair. Like she flips her hair up, right? I was curious. Like, I don't think these things are in here by accident just for fun, right? Do you have any thoughts about why Rita Hayworth and Gilda might be here?

23:19Rob:I have no idea. Okay. Do you have any? I have too many thoughts. I mean, hit me, please. Well, something. So Kitty in last week's episode danced to an Anne Margaret track. Yes. And Sam Levinson. I went to this event last week with the Euphoria heads of department and Sam Levinson was there. And he was talking about how much this actress reminded him of Aunt Margaret. And the exact sort of ginger shade of her hair is like very Aunt Margaret sex kid. Rita Hayworth, other famous redhead. We get a Julia Roberts scene also. So we've got a bunch of famous Hollywood redheads. But Rita Hayworth is quite famous for a few things.

23:58Rob:Horrible marriages. A horrific makeover thing. Like, you know, they years of like electrolysis to like like heighten her hairline, you know, just to make her look whiter. You know, she is she's a Latina woman and they like dyed her hair red and did all this like cosmetic makeover to turn her into this like Hollywood ideal. So thinking of like the Cassie makeover and stuff like that. But I perhaps most importantly, the third thing that Rita Hayworth is known for is terrible contracts inside of the studio system of Hollywood. would, right? And this is an interview she gave in 1968 talking about her contract.

24:38Rob:She said, quote, I used to have to punch a time clock at Columbia every day of my life. That's what it was like. I was under exclusive contract like they own me. I think, and she's talking about Harry Cohn, the head of Columbia at the time. I think he had my dressing room bugged. He was very possessive of me as a person. He didn't want me to go out with anybody, have any friends. No one can live that way. So I fought him. You want to know what I think of Harry Cohn? He was a monster. So she sued to get out of her contract. It's like all part of the legacy. But like, I don't know I'm probably overthinking it but thinking about like Rita Hayworth as this sort of very famous like she's from the outside has been made synonymous with Hollywood glamour you think of Rita Hayworth and you're like that is you know golden age Hollywood glamour and the reality is horrifically painful makeover um died in an actually quite tragic way um and this like horrible like she did not think her life was a fairy tale.

25:33Rob:Yes. You know, and so this idea of like, especially if the other clip we see in this episode is from Pretty Woman, which famously starts with sort of like, what's your dream? You know, city of dreams, right? And it's sort of like the blend we're getting of the Hollywood studio system, the sex working industry. What's the difference between the two? I'm sure Euphoria would like us all to ask that question. I don't know. I think it's I'm curious Maddie's number one boy at gmail.com if you guys have different reasons why you think this is here but I always like to overthink why various film clips are being used I really don't think it's overthinking at all especially to have that scene be in an Alamo oriented setting where so much of his involvement in this episode and he lays it out kind of explicitly when he meets up with Rue and Maddie later it's like just like equanimity was probably on the mood board for this episode I think deals with the devil 100 % on the mood board for this episode And so that whole idea of a really corrupted contract that is like sucking all the life out of you before it casts you aside.

26:37I mean, that's all throughout this week's episode.

26:39Rob:Absolutely. What did you think of Bishop's cursed monologue that he had here? I quite like it. It gave me the revelation that I haven't had before about Bishop, which is he feels like the most Fargo character on this show. Absolutely. You could just drop him straight into any season of that show. And I agree, like Fargo, the TV show. The TV show specifically. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Like a season, a real season two. A real season two. I don't agree that Rue is cursed, but she does have like a certain chaos that sort of follows her everywhere that if you are as ordered as Bishop is, you could see as a curse.

27:10Rob:We love Daryl Burt Gibson. We think he's so good as Bishop. Something that Sam Levinson told me last week is that both Daryl and Anna Van Patten, who plays Kitty, he was so enamored and impressed by their performances that he expanded their roles for them. We really enjoyed Kitty's debut last week. He told me that he, at the last minute, wrote Daryl Britt Gibson, like, a huge speech for next week, episode six. Oh, exciting. You know, like, I kind of like knowing that about Euphoria, that it is almost instantaneously reactive to the elements that are working, you know? Like, in the behind the scenes that we get for this week's episode, when they are talking about the Maddie Alamo chemistry, like, I agree.

27:56Rob:I think the two of those, Adewale and Alexa, they were incredible together. So I don't know if they wrote even more for them in this season, but I wouldn't be, by them, I mean the lone writer Sam Levinson. But I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Yeah. I think that's all you really want out of TV. And it's the unique opportunity that it has relative to a movie, right? Is you can really capture the lightning in the bottle and then you can chase it for much, much longer. Well, I think what's interesting is like with something like Euphoria, where you have a lone creator and a very long process of making the seasons, you have more, I would say, freedom to do that.

28:31Rob:Because for most other short season shows, like you're locked, you've written your scripts. And by the time you're shooting, that's what like the 22 episode seasons were for, because you would like write seven episodes at a time and you would react. And so like Euphoria is sort of distinctive in that way. It sure is, Jo. Another thing I learned, and I hope these tidbits are interesting, but another thing I learned is that Alamo's house is based on this abandoned Mike Tyson, Ohio mansion. And if you Google Mike Tyson abandoned Ohio mansion. I simply am going to do it right now. You will see some familiar visuals and it's quite interesting.

29:11Oh, wow. Yeah, you can see a pretty striking similarity in terms of some of the vistas, some of the architecture. Also, I would live here. I would, in fact, live there.

29:21Rob:It's just sitting abandoned in Ohio. Should we go there? I think we should. That's the Prestige Mansion. That's the Prestige, like, drill house style. This will be our content factory. And you have to work on Sunday nights, man. That's the hell we've created for ourselves. the Nate and Cassie house which gets even more blood on the carpet in this episode was based off they wanted something that felt like a casino like Sharon Stone who's in this show but like a hot mess express in casino so that's what they wanted is like proximate to a golf course the shag carpet all of that they're trying to a sliding glass door that somebody could like terminator their way through perhaps yeah yeah perhaps the really most fascinating thing I learned from this lunch that I went to though is that a couple people talked to me about the differences between I'm curious what your thoughts are on this the difference between season one and season season one and two and season three is that their view is that the perspective in season one and season two is subjective it is Rue's sort of we're inside her head fantasy subjective this season is meant to be much more objective and I I'm still wrapping my head around that because Like a man was literally smothered by giant Sidney Sweeney's breasts?

30:35Rob:Well, between the Rue voiceover, which is still here, so we're still, you know, less so. And then, yeah, we're still getting, like, fantasy sequences. So I think it's meant to be sort of a wider view and less Rue-centric, which is definitely true, you know. Absolutely. Perhaps due to Zendaya's schedule, I don't know. But, like, I don't know. I'm curious to keep tracking that idea of objective versus subjective. I'm not sure I fully have the sense of it yet. I'm not going to lie to you. It never occurred to me that Euphoria could be an objective show. Right. It's so impressionistic, regardless of if you're going into the weird kind of imaginative sequences or not, that, yeah, we're maybe not anchored so much to Rue, but I'm with you.

31:18We've broadened out the scope. It still feels tonally kind of similar to where we've been.

31:22Rob:checking in on the and obviously this is just a small sampling of the people who are watching Euphoria but checking in on the on the Reddit boards like which I like to do right after the episode aired there's a lot of frustration from people that they feel like Sydney Sweeney is sort of overwhelming this season which was one of my complaints earlier this season I did really like Cassie last week and I liked a lot of what's going on with Cassie especially now that she is like in Maddie's storyline in Lexi's storyline like all of that works much better for me but if you come to euphoria for jewels or for maybe even I would argue inside of this episode rue you might you know feel like you're not getting the show that you want to get well yeah do you want to talk about some of those characters because I think Nate's in that category too it feels yeah but who comes to euphoria for Nate I mean I hope nobody true sickos uh real toe enthusiasts of a kind.

32:19I guess not finger enthusiasts, just digit fanatics of all sorts.

32:23Rob:The velvet fog heads themselves. But I would say now that Maddie has been sort of pulled into the Alamo-Ru part of things, Nate and Jules feel like the most stranded on the outskirts of the story. And there are different ways that they could get pulled in at various times. But Jules especially is just like in her little like condo ivory tower uh not really interacting with anyone i actually did quite like the scene she has with rue here it's maybe like a little direct in terms of isolating what it is about those two characters whole deals but this concept that like jules is somebody who is always kind of like aspired for things and dreamed of things and rue is like kind of comfortably numb even when she's at her best that tension i do think is an interesting thing to highlight.

33:08Rob:Were you surprised to find out that they have not been kissing? No. Okay. Only because Rue is such a like chill on the couch kind of character. Well, so this is a follow-up to a previous conversation we had where one of our listeners was like, hey, this like hypersexual Rue that we see in the strip club, this angel Rue sexual dynamic doesn't feel like the Rue we've known before. And almost as if the show heard them, we get this scene with Jules, right? Where Jules is bringing up the same issue they had in season two, which is just like, are you passionate about me? I would like passion. The heartbreaking cut from, like, grab me by the face and kiss me and make me yours to, like, loud sex sounds.

33:49Rob:But, like, it's euphoria. And we're like, I know it's going to be the fucker, Ellis, you know? And then this, like—but what's interesting is the contrast between Jules' desire to be, like, wholly possessed, wholly passionately wanted. but then when when she's treated like a possession by ellis i thought i thought the moment where ellis is like i love my i like you but i love my family yeah right like here here's where you are on the ranking hunter shaffer's face jules's face in that moment was extremely heartbreaking and so like am i getting all the jules content i want no but hunter shaffer is like as always deliver Deliver, delivering.

34:35Rob:But what's interesting about Jules is like, unlike a lot of, well, no, I mean, I would say rude too, but like what's always been so interesting about the Jules storyline is that her dad, much more, you know, we saw much more of him in season one, but has always been depicted as like a really supportive, loving parent. And so - Like a little oblivious. Sure. But it's generally supportive. But I, you know, I was thinking, not as basic as daddy issues, But thinking about like what hole inside of her heart is Jules trying to desperately chase and fill here. I mean, the trauma of what her mom did to her is certainly there.

35:10Rob:But she does have this other loving parent, which is, you know, does not heal all wounds. But I don't know. I'm just like thinking a lot about Jules. And I want more Jules is what I want. I do too. I think that's what makes it hard to see these sorts of scenes. Because you're right. It just makes you want more and more Jules in the story. And I don't know what the inroads for that are. other than a continued exploration of everything going on with Alice, which I agree with you. To me, one of the standout moments in terms of just Hunter Schaefer's reactions as Jules there, and specifically the idea that it's not even that she's being treated like a possession.

35:42It's that she's almost like less than that. It's like if he had come in and been upset because he was feeling possessive of her, that would have been one sort of feeling. But it's not even that he's feeling possessive. It's just like, I don't want to catch anything.

35:55Rob:Right. And therefore, you can't be out there in the streets like that. You can't endanger my family. That's part of it. But also he literally wrapped her in plastic. So like, you know, also a possession. Yes. And she like loved it? Question mark? I don't know. Was game for it at the very least. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound Terzepatide may be able to help. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity. Or some adults with overweight who also have weight related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off.

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40:13Rob:And so I was telling him, I was like, there's a Shakespeare monologue, I've been told, in Euphoria. Which Shakespeare monologue do we think it is? We were sort of like all placing bets on what we thought it would be. None of us got it right. And I did text him while we were watching. Holy fuck, it's Antony and Cleopatra for some reason. Guess what? She's Cleopatra. I will say Mr. Gutierrez was the closest because he guessed the Lady Macbeth unsexed me here. And I'm kind of tempted to believe that they picked this particular monologue from Ante and Cleopatra so they could have Sidney Sweeney say, lay me stark naked and let the waterflies blow me into a whoring.

40:50Rob:I'm pretty sure that that's why this particular monologue was picked. You reverse engineer from there. Yeah. What did you make of the Shakespeare? I thought it was funny mostly in the like, if she can do Shakespeare, she can do L.A. Nights part. I think the way it was shot, we're meant to think she was good at it. I think she was reasonably good. I think she's better than you would expect Cassie to be at it. Better than somebody who was just negotiating whether she should fart in a jar and send it to somebody. It's a fact. Better than someone in like a butterfly halter you would expect would be.

41:23Rob:100%. She contains multitudes. I thought she did pretty well. Pretty well. Do you think the casting video itself had the same sort of like tasteful, intensifying, slow zoom? Slow zoom. that guy was just locked in on that zoom. That's one of my favorite tricks that whenever shows and movies are trying to depict someone acting in a way that everyone's impressed by, you can work with reaction shots of people being like, oh my God. But often it's the camera is doing like a slow zoom in or a pan around. It's like a really good visual shortcut. Can I tell you something? Yeah. It works on me every time.

41:59I am susceptible to that sort of manipulation.

42:02Rob:Okay. Maddie Rue and equanimity. What did you think of this? I mean, she's a philosopher. Yeah. You know, I did love, you know, he's not a breadwinner, he's a bread loser. I mean, that's phenomenal stuff. Maybe the quantity is keeping you from the quality. That's real. You know, that's a very real concept. And her whole spiel out of equanimity. I mean, genuinely unbelievable stuff for Maddie this week. When you're thinking about Maddie as a religious person. Yeah. That was news to me. well I was going to ask you I mean look we saw the crucifix dangling tastefully right above the butt crack at the wedding that's not where she dangles it you know what I mean like real Jenny calendar shit for Maddie um but yeah this the way in which the religious themes are and are not being either seamlessly integrated or sort of like hit you over the head with it this season is something that we're tracking equanimity is interesting because it is a it's a it's a religious it's a a philosophical idea, it's a Buddhist idea, it's a whatever idea, but it is an idea that comes up a lot in addiction and recovery.

43:04Rob:This is from a specific website that's devoted to women and recovery. Equanimity is the ability to remain calm and balanced regardless of external circumstances. The state of mind allows us to approach challenges with clarity, resilience, and compassion. Equanimity is particularly valuable in addiction recovery. It helps individuals navigate the ups and downs of the healing process, reducing the risk of relapse. So as Ru is on her journey of recovery, is equanimity and this idea of something bigger than yourself. I think that, you know, not just giant Sidney Sweeney boobs, but also just sort of like the religious idea of there's something bigger than me.

43:43Rob:This is how small I am in the grand scheme of things. And that can make all of my problems feel smaller and achievable. because, again, and it doesn't, you don't even have to, I have a friend of mine who's an astrophysicist who talks about how when she thinks about how massive the galaxy is, it makes her problems feel absolutely tiny in a way that makes her feel great, actually. So I think that's interesting. This is the narrow ledge we walk as human beings, right? Because there is that, do you stare out into the infinite abyss and feel like your problems are small or do you stare out into the infinite abyss and feel like you are small and you are insignificant?

44:17Rob:What kind of abyss gazer are you? I mean, it really depends on the day. Do you have a strong leaning? I think I take comfort in how small we are and what a brief time we're here in the grand scheme of things. I mean, it really just depends on what you're trying to talk yourself into. I'm not going to lie to you. But I did love Maddie's place in this and her as a counterbalance to Rue. Like, as we talked about earlier, Rue is such a chaotic character, at least at the center of a lot of chaos. having someone like Maddie who within this scene feels like she's being dragged into this incredibly dangerous world that Rue and Alamo inhabit and then you realize Maddie doesn't really get dragged anywhere.

44:59Rob:No, Rue's like, didn't you have to be somewhere, Maddie? And Maddie's like, nope, I'm good. I got a milkshake to drink. So is Maddie driving the Mercedes here? To a certain degree, yes. But there is obviously a sense of doom in the way that it's shot when she enters the silver slipper. She doesn't know everything she's getting into, certainly. She thinks she understands. She's like, I'm walking in with my eyes open. This is a sex industry and I understand the sex industry. And she's like, oops, I'm in the feeding corpses to pigs industry. I didn't know. I didn't know. Turns out they overlap. Uh-oh.

45:35Rob:What did you make of, oh, we both really enjoyed Zendaya's performance when Rue is nervously laughing when Alamo shows up. She's just a one-of-one like anxiety bomb actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. Also watch the drama for like increasingly effective versions of that. Alexa Demme is an incredibly tiny woman and Adewale is like a large man. He's not 5 '9", I'll tell you that much right now. But the way that they shot him sort of like the heaviness of his boots as he walked in, the way that he's looming over them, we get sort of feels like a callback to that shot of Kitty and like the silhouette of his hat and Kitty's legs that you called out last week as he's just sort of like looming over them.

46:16Rob:Maddie's taken in all of the accessories, which is what Alexa Demme said in the behind the scenes. But I think this, like, Maddie is so impressive. And I believe in her so much. And yet, watching this tiny woman and this massive, and we know that he is very dangerous. Incredibly so. More than she could imagine, I would think. Watching them cram together like in the Mercedes even is just like, and then the two of them almost like, I don't know, Wizard of Oz-esque like going into the silver slipper here. You know, I'm nervous for your girl. I am nervous, but I'm less so as just a general TV watcher because this illuminated something that's just true about Euphoria and the reason why I feel like Maddie is the best character on the show, she works with everybody.

47:01Like any actor, any character on Euphoria, this is the most I've been interested in Alamo since he's been on the show is seeing him with Maddie. Hard to say. I think Maddie's stuff with Rue is often electric. Maddie's stuff with Lexi can be really fun. And Maddie's stuff with Cassie has obviously been her, Cassie's best moments.

47:16Rob:Even with Jules at the wedding. Completely. Good stuff, yeah. And so it's like getting to see different sides of Alamo is what's exciting to me about that prospect. And I think what makes Maddie effective is like, she's not, it's not that she's a plain character that lets other characters pop. Like she's just operating on a frequency that I think brings the best out of these other constructions of who these other people are. And so if we get to see other sides of Alamo, even if there are very dangerous sides, that's a show I'm interested in watching. It's a show I'm interested in, scared to watch.

47:43Rob:Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Anything you want to say about the way the sort of meat market moment was shot, the girls, like where we see like first the legs and then the breasts and then finally the faces as Maddie is sort of prowling around them. Sizing everybody up. I mean, I enjoy kind of the articulation. It's almost like a test from Alamo, right? Of like a matter of taste a little bit. Like who will you pick out of this lineup? Like his satisfaction when she picks the two right girls. but you're right it's gross it's weird it is like understandably like reducing all of these women into like what are their most marketable characteristics and I love the inversion of Maddie's story as the show lays out of you know she's been taking people like Cassie and turning them into like OnlyFans models but the idea of kind of reverse engineering based on the willingness of how far someone is willing to go and that person starting out being a stripper or a sex worker all of a sudden the world is very wide I think it's also interesting to think about Cassie at this juncture where she has this LA Knights opportunity, which is like, yes, a small role.

48:46Rob:Lexi's pissed. I don't blame Lexi for being pissed. Brutal turn for Lexi. Really tough. But Cassie's got a small role that I could definitely see a Cassie turning into something bigger. Job applicant? I mean, that's a juicy part. so there's that and then there's whatever Maddie's about to drag her into the silver slipper like here's here's the fork in the road and you know like where does her career go from here what is her future what choice does she make or does she have a choice because she signed that contract with Maddie I don't know it's a great question I think one of the more successful aspects of the season overall is like it's a very Los Angeles show all of a sudden whereas I would say Hollywood Hollywood specifically but you know the earlier seasons were kind of like suburbs yes it's california but it could kind of be a lot of different places anywhere california but where we're getting to with maddie and cassie in particular these are like two very particular kinds of hollywood people right in in maddie someone who's like willing to completely fake it until they make it i really when maddie to lexi is like do you want to make an enemy of me on the warner brothers lot i was like i know that person i've talked to that person i know that person also i don't i don't want to make of them.

50:01But it's like Maddie is faking it in every possible respect, pumping herself up, pretending she's something she's not, even if she's cleaning up like chihuahua shit in her job time. And then Cassie is someone who's like willing to do anything for a slice of attention. And so this is taking the Cassie idea, I think, to an even deeper and potentially darker extreme in terms of who Maddie's going to be working with now.

50:20Rob:Something I think that's interesting is, I mean, I think the biggest laugh of the episode, of course, is when Cassie's like, you're my best friend. And Maddie's like, really? It's both maybe the funniest and saddest moment in Euphoria history. And that's really saying something. But what I liked about it is we heard Cassie like whine that throughout season two. Yeah. Maddie's my best friend. Like that's 80 % of Cassie's lines in season two. So she's hitting it pretty hard in this episode to like Nate to Brandon for Maddie to just be like, really? What are you talking about? So good. I thought it was really weird.

50:58All of their exchanges are so good. Like when Cassie's talking about like, what have I lied to you about recently?

51:02Rob:Recently. Again, I just thought, I thought both of them were kind of on fire in this episode. And the deployment. Ding, ding, round two, you know. I mean. The much promised. Please, please let it continue. Yeah. Maddie just being completely unbothered and getting on the fake phone call is just like incredibly good. But I mean, maybe that's her equanimity. It is her equanimity. She's sort of like, let's roll on to the next thing. I have found my peace. I mean, it just feels so of that character, too, for Cassie to, like, not even beat around the bush, but, like, beat around the garden that contains the bush.

51:31She's, like, so scared to step on anyone's toe.

51:33Rob:She's circling the perimeter of the room, literally. When she signs that contract, when Cassie signs that contract and holds it up for Maddie and she breathes just Dylan, like, his name. Yeah. I thought that was really, really funny. Shout out Homer Gear. Yes. I hope that your dad enjoyed being in this episode of Euphoria. I also thought that was a great bit of kind of like plot magic as far as, you know, you're right that you're kind of meant to be angry about the way Brandon is presenting Maddie and all these different things. But this idea that Maddie on some level kind of like knows Cassie well enough to know like the exact thing that she wants, even if she doesn't have it yet.

52:13It's like, this is a thing I can dangle. What man can I dangle in front of her? That's kind of all you need. And it's like Brandon is like talking to generalities and like go stand on this balcony and like isn't this lifestyle great? And Maddie's like, here's this like very real guy. And you can get his attention. I'm going to put you in a room with him as job applicants. And who knows what happens from there.

52:32Rob:Anything else you want to say about Nate? Oh, okay. So something I learned about this house is that they were told they could not. I was asking like, did you pick that house because you thought blood would look especially good on that carpet? and they were told they couldn't the only thing they couldn't mess up was the carpet so they had to source matching carpet swatches to like put Jacob Elordi on so he could burble blood and not ruin the original yellow shag that was in the house it did look like it had been completely cleaned out somehow yeah yeah I assume that's where some of the like the$30 ,000 went anything else you want to send Nate's I love you I love you I love you send me that money like anything I mean his yeah I guess their housekeeper no longer works there because the entire place is an absolute pigsty.

53:20Rob:Anything else you want to say about Nate Jacobs? I at least prefer this version of Nate to the early season version of Nate. He at least seems like an asshole. He's a shred. Yeah, absolutely. And a loser. Yes. Like Nate. A bred loser. A Nate who peaked in high school. Yes. And is now just like a real loser who, I don't know, gender norm, cannot provide for his family or whatever, but is just sort of like sitting around not even cleaning the house not even doing anything it's like go whore yourself out straight up pimping out his wife yeah yeah like I think the turn from now that there are no illusions out there they've all been shattered everyone knows he's a broke boy everyone knows he's a fraud it's like I guess now just like go ahead and make those videos you know like let's just get that money create a story with Brandon yes just a little tension a little flirtation the suggestion of a relationship online but then he's also like so lost in like drinks and day dancing in his living room that he like forgets to send the money for the payment and thus loses his finger anyway.

54:20Rob:No, can I just tell you that Nate getting completely bankrolled by Cassie, working her ass off literally like in this industry and him not making the payment even still. Chef's kissy for you. This is, that's very funny stuff. The breadiest loser that ever was. The henchman coming through the sliding door and him running upstairs. The head's been walking all the way across the golf course to get there. But just Nate running upstairs and like hiding in a bathroom. Oh, like a dumb blonde in a horror movie? Perhaps. Yeah. But also, you know what? If that's how you hide, I'm just going to say you deserve to get your finger cut off.

54:57You didn't even try.

54:59Rob:All right. Here's the last thing else. Is there anything else you want to say before I wrap us up? About Nate in particular? No, about you four. Where do you want to go? How do you want to wrap this up? Just some information that I learned about the finale. No spoilers, just some information I learned. How is it going to be information about the finale that's not a spoiler? They just turned it in last Monday. Okay. That's interesting information. That's info. It's 93 minutes long. Sure is. That Sunday is going to be great for us. That's interesting info. They gave me like a tone note for the ending, which I don't think is a spoiler.

55:33Rob:Okay. Would you like me to share it with you? I'm interested in a tone note. Okay. They said it's a hopeful ending, but not for everyone. Euphoria. Yeah. I would expect nothing less, frankly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, okay, thinking about that, hopeful ending but not for everyone. Who do you, Maddie's number one boy, Yeah. most want to have or think will have a hopeful ending to this series? I mean, Kitty, obviously. She's going to ride off into the sunset. Nothing bad is going to happen to Kitty. No, she's going to be fine. They all seem kind of screwed in their own ways, don't they? Lexi. You're doing fine.

56:11I hope Lexi, but I think Lexi's just going to be still stuck in the purgatory that is her life in which she works really hard for something and her sister swoops in with a low-cut shirt and gets a better version of it.

56:21Rob:I can't believe that she learned nothing from the plethora of dicks moment with Jules where she like once again brought in someone from her real life into her job. You just can't do it. It's tough. It's tough. Lexi, I'm hopeful. I mean, the tone of the season and the religious through lines would tell us. Maybe it ends with Lexi having sex with someone she's really excited to have sex with. Dylan Reed? Dylan. He doesn't seem great. She hooks up with Dylan Reed and Cassie does not. Finally gets her win. That would be interesting. I'd be game for that. Yeah, I don't, I'm trying to parse like if any of the religious undertones and themes of this season would tell us like who is graced by God, you know?

57:03Who is the rue with the apple on the, like, I mean, but also she survives everything. Yeah. Including,

57:08Rob:I mean, we definitely think she's surviving this episode. There's no question, right? Like, zero question. They're coyly in the preview for next week. You do not see Rue. Very clever. You do see the two DEA guys, like, rolling up to the spot where she was buried alive. So, like, I think she's going to be fine. I know she's going to be fine. Like, it's Zendaya. They did not kill her. Off screen. Off screen. Did not happen. So why are we ending an episode this way? I don't know. That's a great question. I was a little irritated by that. Anything else you want to say? I want to circle back. You mentioned the Julia Roberts brief appearance in this episode via the TV.

57:43Rob:Pretty woman, baby. I mean, pretty woman. Incredible moment. Incredible scene. Is this relationship goals or relationship hell? What we see from Faye and I'm going to be straight up a Nazi dude just sitting around lounging, watching pretty woman. Can you pull the redeeming quality of that enough? Can you rewind that? Can we remove Nazi from the equation? I don't know that you can. He's got a Confederate flag phone case. I think Faye being like, please don't answer the phone during this scene from Pretty Woman is the best part. Yeah. Relationship goals. Nazi. Yep. Confederate flag phone case. Who does, in fact, answer the phone during that scene anyway.

58:24Rob:That's not great. Yeah. It's not great. But they seem to be in love. They sure do. And I don't think it's going to go well for them. So you don't think they're going to have the happy ending? I'm sorry, the hopeful ending. Guys. Slightly different. Slightly different. no I don't think it's going to go well for Faye to have been involved in the robbery of Alamo's nightclub but the Nazi guy maybe this is a show where the Nazis win I don't know it's the anti and glorious bastards we're crossing our fingers for the Nazis please pull that for social we love to have it on the gram alright anything else you want to say let's get out of here okay happy Mother's Day thank you to Jamie who's here with us and thank you to Rob Mahoney thank you Joe Thank you to HBO for this unique Sunday night experience.

59:09Rob:And we'll be back with perhaps a teen show flashback. Probably another Widow's Bay check-in later this month. Absolutely. And definitely more euphoria. Bank on it. Maybe 50-foot woman included? Do you think we'll get a return? The return of the 50-foot woman? I don't know. I don't know how the season ends. Maybe that's hopeful for somebody. You're like, they didn't spend a year building that model. certainly this businessman is hoping for it you know like he had big dreams yeah yeah yeah well here's hoping for Frank and we'll see you soon bye