‘Poker Face’ Season 2 Finale: The Best for Last

21:33Rob:All right, best joke. These weren't like, you know, we had some like really jokey. I mean, The Big Pump is quite a jokey episode. But like, we had some really jokey episodes earlier in the season. And I would say, you know, especially in the final two, the jokes aren't flying as fast and furious as they were early in the season. But what do you have under this category, Romhoney? They're not flying as fast and furious, but they do hit. And I think some of them are kind of like more conceptual jokes, like the overall premise of getting the gym bros hooked on breast milk and then trying to substitute formula, I just found to be really, really funny.

22:06And I was, you know, not to mention Ritter's being able to smell breast milk from miles away, you know, speaking of preternatural senses.

22:16Rob:Right, where's his whole entire TV series? Great question. I love a pun-based name. Oh, sure. So Yippee-Ki-Yay Oyster Shucker is pretty phenomenal. Calling her later, calling her the Shuck Buddy is also really worked for me. have I ever told you about the name my friend and I came up with for a seafood based food truck that we wanted to create you have not but let's just put it out there no one steal this name this is still in the cards for Joe and her friends it's a great joke but it's not a good business idea so don't worry about it you can have this if you want it but nobody wants it that's free Vanaphylaxis it's not good marketing you know?

23:08Rob:But it lands. Okay. I also really loved, I got - Well, okay. First of all, if you're going to introduce the oyster puns, I don't think you can skirt the there's a really hot guy who says he's going to shuck my shell and slurp me down raw. You're right. You know what? They really went for it with oyster puns. They really did go for it. Also, our listener Eric wanted to flag that later when Charlie is going around serving oysters without having paid any attention to what they're called, she calls one And Deepwater Horizon, they have a nice oily texture. So thanks, Eric, for flagging that joke. One other one from that episode, like Haley Jo Osment, another guest star who's kind of killed off too soon and doesn't have like a ton to do, but I really enjoyed as like bro trying to hawk his energy drink at his own wedding.

23:55He had a line where he's talking about his mom, Beatrix Haspin. He says, she abandoned me when I was a tiny pussy ass baby. And I laughed a lot. Again, I don't know why. There's just an alchemy to having Haley Jo Osment

24:06Rob:say that that worked um i also really enjoyed um abdul who was the sort of bodega owner and first face blind bodega owner face blind bodega owner when charlie shows up and she's like could i get a job here and he was just like i don't know you that made me laugh so hard because charlie everywhere charlie has gone and she's like can i have a job here everyone's like sure um and this guy's like i don't know you and then the kicker on that is that when it comes back around for him being face blind and so it being sort of this extra level of i don't know you was pretty phenomenal. Also, when we meet Justin Theroux the first time, and he's playing Todd Talachi, a high school teacher, I think one of the funniest jokes this season is a high school teacher having that house.

24:54That house, that tux. Yeah.

24:59Rob:With love and respect to Mr. Talachi, I don't think that's happening. In this economy, I don't think so. Well, do you think there was maybe a lawsuit involving the rubber band that apparently poked out his eye. Oh, this is hasp money bought him this house. Maybe so. Like somebody paid for something. Oh, I like to believe it. Okay, great. The dollars just aren't adding up. But while we're in the ballpark of like picking some knits on some of this stuff, you know, I did appreciate the gag of Luca running through Charlie's credentials and attributes and talking about how she has the temperament of an English bulldog, et cetera, et cetera.

25:28Throw up the shot in the conference room of her in the beer helmet with the Hawaiian shirt. Played for laughs. enjoyed it great bit.

25:35Rob:How'd they get that photo? Well, it's clearly a screenshot from the episode. Yeah. So does Poker Face exist within the world of Poker Face? You know, like I think the question has to be asked. And if so, how does that impact her ability, Charlie's ability to hide in a season three? It's a phenomenal question that needs to be asked and I'm glad you asked it. I do want to shout out in Mr. Todd Talaji, may he rest in like, I don't know, goo? Yeah. we're going to come back to the goop. He had great color-blocked bookshelves, I just want to say. His books were organized by color, and that's something that I personally enjoy, so I just want to...

26:14Rob:We lost a real one, I think, in Mr. Talashi. Did we? I don't know. Asthetes though we are, Joe, I'm a pragmatist at heart. I just want to be able to find a book without thinking about what color the book is. Asthetes though we are? Are we not?

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29:37Rob:This is the one I told you earlier, I don't have an answer to one of our prompts. Best episode. I'm not sure I can pick one out partially because this is all part of an arc. And once you know how it ends, the earlier episodes take on different meaning. I think the big pump was like sort of the zaniest, funniest one. And I had been shouting those out as ones I really enjoyed in previous chunks. But I think I was very satisfied by the, I'm kind of thinking it was like a two-part finale. That really worked for me. What would you say stood out to you? Yeah, if we're allowed to do the two-part finale, I think it is that.

30:13If you're going to really pin me down on it, I would say the actual finale, The End of the Road, is probably the best episode of the season in terms of all of those reveals and, as you're saying, how satisfying they feel. It just makes sense that in the world of Poker Face, the final boss would be two truths and a lie. It's not like a shootout with Charlie or a race in her barracuda. It's like, can you detect the one thing that you're supposed to detect in the person you've been hanging out with the longest? And that felt like a really satisfying bit of closure for this season.

30:42Rob:So we should say that episode was written by Laura Dealey, but directed by Natasha Lyonne. So great job, Natasha Lyonne, directing that episode of your own show. That episode too, like Poker Face overall is not a show that has the highest possible stakes, usually because we've already seen the crimes before, you know, we're trying to solve them with Charlie, so to speak. And so it just doesn't have that like natural like tension point. Like the tension is like, how do you get the evidence? How do you prove it? How do you do all that? And so having this like hurtling toward the edge moment at the end of the season of the Grand Canyon Canyon, I actually like was feeling that for the first time of like, I don't know what's going to happen here.

31:20We don't know the future of the show. I honestly could not tell you how this is going to work out. And that being combined with everything we've just built between these two characters, I thought was just like a great way to end the season. You may or may not remember this, but inside of our, like, sort of, as these though we are, group movie chat that we have with some of our colleagues at The Ringer. Yeah.

31:40Rob:When Michael Madsen passed away last week, I was like, we're going to watch Thelma and Louise tonight, which I did. I watched Thelma and Louise with, like, and I had, as I always do, an incredible time doing it. I don't think I needed to have a fresh rewatch in order to understand the visual reference. Probably not. here at the end with, you know, Luca in the Harvey Keitel role and like the blue Barracuda and the Grand Canyon and all of that being in the mix. But it made it extra special to me. But I did have a moment as we were headed towards the edge and the brakes aren't working on the Barracuda.

32:15Rob:I was like, oh, is Poker Face not renewed? Natasha's like, we did it. And this how it ends i was like i i would accept that and then when it i wasn't watching the the progress bar at the bottom of the episode so then when it froze and said to be continued i was like are we doing a literal cliffhanger and then very bizarrely because i don't know i don't have ads on my peacock or what or no we were watching we watched this on the screener like it just says it's a freeze frame to be continued and then just like rewind some there and keeps it's a very like strange little end to the episode without a commercial break, which I presume is there for other folks watching it.

32:52Rob:Oh, do you think so? Why else do we have that? What explanation do you have for the to-be-continued freeze frame that happens with a few more minutes of the episode to go? I think just being cheeky. I mean, it's quite cheeky. I took it as kind of like the ultimate but one more thing kind of situation. You know, it's like, you think this is the way it's going. Let's wind it back just a few seconds and show, you know, Charlie leaping out the side of the car. You could have done that with just the freeze frame. You know what I mean? You just have the freeze. It's true. You cut to the freeze of Luca.

33:25Rob:You cut to the freeze of the front of the car. And then rewind. Watch Charlie ditch out before it goes over the edge. That's fine. But to be continued across it. I was like, okay. Best Charlie fit. This is a tough one. Because this wasn't like. Well, actually, it was easy for me, but I didn't feel like I had a wealth of options to pick for him as I usually do. I think I have one definitive answer, which is Charlie on the run after she and Alex are trying to escape post murder accusation of murder, being caught red handed with a bloody knife with an eye at the end of it. This is Charlie's fit in that moment.

34:04shirt covered by a blouse covered by denim covered by a pilot jacket covered by a scarf with the trucker hat giant sunglasses and the world's most giant mop of red hair that would signify exactly who you're looking for I thought it was wonderful

34:18Rob:a layering queen I want to shout out I could shout out both of them but specifically Charlie's first gym fit which is the Harley Davidson shovel head muscle tee with the flannel and the boots and either black jeans or leggings, I couldn't quite tell, but it was just like, she's not even trying to wear gym clothes or this is her version of gym clothes. Anyway, she looked great as she always does, but I was just like, yeah, this is what Charlie wears in the gym. Best murder. I'm going to give it up to the Rube Goldberg of death. Obviously. From A New Lease on Life. You know, we love a killer with attention to detail.

34:59We love a like, how do you commit a perfect murder vibe? But you know what? I think maybe there's too many people in this building who are putting things on the very edge of the washing machine casually all the time. But if they're going to do it, let's take advantage.

35:12Rob:Chernobyl-rific. Is that what she says? Chernobyl-tastic, something like that. Chernobyl-icious? Chernobyl-icious, there it is. Yes, it's got to be that. And I do want to, like, I will just use this as an excuse to say, um alia shakat playing a grifter who seduces lauren tom's character with poetry with like english 101 williams not even english 101 being on the internet 101 poetry sure i googled what is poetry yes um it was really funny to me i will also add to that i already referenced it the adam arkin murder that we just get a cutaway to was very like wes you know you and i both just recently watched the Phoenician Scheme, like very Wes Anderson and its zaniness and just sort of like quick cut, quick cut.

36:02Rob:Really random use of Adam Arkin, who is directed, we directed previous episodes this season, but I was just like, he like, he has a full character name. And I was like, is this a reference? It's like, what is anyway, it's just Adam Arkin. It's there to die. Also salute though, to the weight plate that Method Man throws like a frisbee straight into, straight into a throat, like really crushing the windpipe. Not a bad way to go as these things go. Pretty spectacular. Oh, I mean, a pretty terrible way to go. And then further - Well, but to observe, I enjoyed it. Further, the sound, the foley on like the squish as he drops the barbell on his throat.

36:39How would you place that? What do you think they did?

36:41Rob:Oh, that's watermelon, right? Or like a wet sponge. It's either watermelon or a wet sponge. It's one of the two. But there was like a crunch to it too. So maybe like a bag of like Cool Ridge Doritos meets Wet Sponge. That's, I think, how Jason Ritter went out on the show. Breakfast of champions. All right. Most delightful visual. I think for me, it's the goop bag. This was just like an amazing invention. Yeah. That, you know, Joe, for reasons that will become clear to other listeners going forward, like you and I have been thinking a lot about the decomposition of how do you get rid of a body.

37:16We've been thinking about goop.

37:17Rob:Yeah. For work reasons. You know, we can assure you for work reasons. That's the estheta we are. We're always thinking about how one can dissolve a body, most aesthetically. What's the best way to do it? But this was among them. Honestly, there is something very, very polished about the entire ordeal, like spill-free for the spy on the go. Like, what do you do when you need to get rid of this dead body? I thought it was an ingenious creation, and I actually loved watching it. The garment bag look of it. Yes. The reveal of it. You're like, you don't know what this thing is, then all of a sudden, Justin Theroux is goo.

37:51Rob:and you're like, wow. And then it rolled into like a handy little like camp roll. Like, you know, your sleeping bag or something like that. It was astounding. It was great. At first I was like, is this just sort of like an embalming type fluid that's going to prevent the body from smelling or something? But then, you know, you get further into the process and you see like the feet start to tilt as everything is starting to slowly melt away, basically. Great. Love the goop. All right. I will say I already sort of blew at this, but I will say the entire freeze frame ending. I just really liked and like King.

38:27We're about to talk about needle drops in a second, but King of the Road is playing and just sort of like, you know, I guess spending a moment to memorialize the Barracuda before it goes down in flames.

38:37Rob:You know, we just look at it from all angles. I really enjoyed that. In the end, it was the real Watson. You know, it's the other main character of Poker Face. Well, that's OK. There's a little dog now. So it's the same. I can't wait to see what they named the dog. There's going to be a cutesy name for the dog. I don't know what it's going to be. It's going to be a reference to classic 70s cinema, is what I would guess. You know what? We had a lot of Mission Impossible referencing this season. We had a lot of Michael Mann. We had a lot of heavy Michael Clayton vibes in these episodes. We didn't say this in best joke, but the Michael Clayton Jeopardy runner of episode was phenomenal.

39:14Rob:Okay. Once again, this is a tough one to answer. Charlie job you'd most want to have She wasn't job hopping as much In this and so it's basically like Lemon slicer on the oyster shucking beat Right like what else Well she had one other one I'm not sure if she was announcing it or Yeah I also have in my notes Rob Mahoney Care to comment on this other job that Charlie has I'm glad you do I will say Unpaid internship that you do As you go through life Every time I try to google something on my phone I am submitted through a seemingly endless series of capture tests. I don't know why. I don't know what's happening.

39:52Rob:I'm so curious to find out how you got on the robot watch list. Because this doesn't happen to me or anyone else I know. So like, you know, someone at Apple HQ or whatever, or Google HQ has decided that you, Rob Mahoney, are an AI, are a bot of some kind. And I just think this is a hilarious development. I am Googling something once every like two days on my phone. And this is the treatment that I get. So yeah, Charlie's, again, like kind of job as like, it seems like I captured a troubleshooter basically, hard out for me. But at the same time, doing raw oysters as past hors d 'oeuvres is fucking diabolical.

40:30And that should be the first red flag that Alex is a sociopath. Like if that's her business model, she's going to get a lot of people very sick.

40:38Rob:I like that Charlie's like, I'll just be slicing lemons. Though then she had to like pass trays. But, you know, lemon slicer on the oyster shucking beat is not as bad as... That's not bad. Because actual shucking, I mean, there's like gloves involved. It's a whole thing. Okay. I don't know a lot about oyster shucking personally. I have done it, but I've never catered a large event with oysters. So the idea that they were like in bags in the water down in the boathouse was like pretty cool. Charlie's smartest move. I think it's the big red gum as lie detector test. Do you think that was intentional?

41:11Rob:Because wasn't it... Wasn't it Alex's gum? Oh, was it Alex's gum? She's like, you have gum, and she handed it to her. Oh, you're right. So it wasn't as intense, but it is putting it together, at least. It's a smart connection, if not a smart move. But you're right. She kind of stepped in that one herself. I'm going to give it to spelling out H-A-L-P via exercise moves. You know what? It worked. In the steam room. It did work. It worked. It worked. Because Alex is her, you know, diabolical soulmate. But yeah. And then Alex saying, like, you could have done elbow dips for the E on the way out of the room was, like, pretty fantastic.

41:49Rob:Alternatively, I will say Charlie's dumbest move. I have a couple options here, but... There's a lot. Liking the Fitbit data was a real bummer. What else do you have under this? Or, yeah, what else do you have here? I think, look, I've kind of two categories. One, in terms of the actual mechanics of the show. if you don't want to lead who you believe the iguana to be all the way to Beatrix's house, don't park the Barracuda right outside. Like, I know that's not the way it turned out. I know, like, you know, there's a lot of trickery happening, but maybe not the place to put your very iconic car to draw lots of attention to it.

42:27But personally, I have to say, not following Beatrix Hasp's Finsta that is baking forward, that's a big mistake. Like, that's a bit. Charlie treats her algorithm turning half-baking as a problem. Right. That's the goal. That's the goal. Like, this is the dream for all of us. Although I do dispute that Charlie as a character would ever use the word algo. I don't think that's true of form for her.

42:50Rob:Great point. She's not even sure what an algorithm is. Rob, do you think your inability to get your algo to be half-baking-centric is due to the fact that your phone thinks you're a robot? It might. Honestly, lately, it's been very Smashburger centric. I'm just kind of following my heart on basically all social media platforms, but especially where Instagram is concerned. Are you on like a Smashburger kick? Are you trying to perfect a Smashburger? Not intentionally. It's just purely subconscious. It's like, I see it on there. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna click this. I wanna see what the smashing protocol is for this place.

43:26Rob:You're like, home is where the mustard is. It's very true. We had a break, but it was back-to-back con artist, Charlie being ahead of the con, Charlie conning the con artist sort of setup episodes. We had a large break between those two, but the John Show and the Ilya Shawkat episodes were back-to-back. We had just seen her with her tap-dancing firefighter neighbor and him being like, if you ever need a favor. And she's like, actually, you know. So I don't think any of us were surprised when she went over the balcony and landed on the thing that they had set up. I just don't, I wouldn't trust that necessarily, like, how did she know she was going to shove her off that balcony there?

44:08Rob:You know, there's so many other things that she could have done that she didn't have a safety net for. So taunting Aaliyah Shawkat when you know that she is capable of murder and having only one very specific safety net in place is, I thought was a pretty dumb move, personally. Even though it worked out for her, I thought it was pretty dumb. The trajectory's got to be right. The wind has to be right. There's just too many variables for me to be comfortable with. Too many variables. What's the most interesting fact you learned from this chunk of episodes? As a non-New Yorker, and as someone who has never lived in a rent-controlled building, the fact that succession rights are like a capital T thing, I enjoyed the rabbit hole that I was sent down as a result of this episode, a new lease on death.

44:53Like, there is just a flood on the internet of people trying to figure out, how do I get this rent-controlled apartment from my relative, from my friend, from my roommate, from the nice lady and to-be? Like, everyone is trying to crack this code, and let me say, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of answers on it. separate from getting married, which it seems like people are actually doing for this purpose, at least to the extent that they can find willing partners. The adoption seems relatively tame by comparison.

45:19Rob:I really loved that sequence at the beginning with Awkwafina and Lauren Tom when they're just sort of like, the lawyer knows what they're doing, they know what they're doing, and it's just like very... And also their whole life, the life of like, let's watch Michael Clayton together and eat a lot of fresh fruit and read poetry and watch Jeopardy every night. Fuck yeah. like again that is the dream but they they have found it uh i did think casting wise like age age wise lauren tom is probably more aquafina's mom than grandma absolutely not lauren tom for folks who don't remember or don't know famously played julia and friends if that if that is where you know her from but um yeah i was like that's i'm not ready for that actress to be a grandmother It's not time yet.

46:05Rob:And I should say, I really liked the runner in that episode of these various denizens not being what they seem. Like the librarian, the woman outside who shows up in the next episode, and her whole thing. The firefighter. Yeah, the firefighter, all of that sort of stuff. It's just sort of like, New York, it's a place where anyone can be anyone sort of thing. It's cute. Okay. For me, most interesting fact I learned. Yes. despite being like a recent convert gym bro myself I did not know that bodybuilders use breast milk to get sick gains but they do it's the ultimate superfood and I read a men's health article about it and I would just like to read you a quote from this men's health article that I read and it was all about like why you shouldn't use breast milk to get sick gains basically it's unregulated like they have to often buy direct from the mother.

46:59Rob:And okay, so by the time, quote, by the time the milk reaches the bodybuilder, it can be contaminated, which is what was found to be happening during the study conducted by Nationwide Children's Hospital who found that out of 101 samples of breast milk purchased online, 10 % of them were, quote, topped off with cow's milk or baby formula. In addition, 75 % of the samples had pathogenic or disease-causing bacteria slash viruses in it, adding more risk to infants who suffer from pre-existing conditions. Anyway, just like, don't buy your breast milk online or at all, maybe. Anyway. But there's no other answers, you know?

47:39Clearly for the adult man in need of breast milk, like where else are you to go but the dark web?

47:45Rob:So, yeah. And I learned, if you want to read that men's health article, which I quite enjoyed, it's called The Weird Science Behind Bodybuilders Drinking Breast Milk for Quicker Muscle Gain. Yeah. There's a whole section about the specifics of the contaminants that is the assist that we are. I do not want to read on this podcast, but if you have a stronger stomach, you should read that men's health article and then never drink breast milk for your sick gains. Would not recommend it. All right. Anything else you want to say about our poker face experience across these four episodes, across the season?

48:19Rob:How are you feeling? I'm trying to think if there's any other specific call outs from these episodes, too. and we've run through a lot of honorable mentions already. I mean, I think maybe we didn't do Alia Shawkat enough service for her guest appearance as well, which I thought was really fun. And honestly, as gags go, walking in on Alia Shawkat, going down on your grandma and then pepper spraying yourself in the face is just a good one to punch. Like that's just good writing as far as I'm concerned. Her threatening is Ricardo, right? The librarian by like slashing and dropping the portrait of a woman that he had.

48:56Rob:It's fantastic. Yeah, and I don't think we missed any, I think we called out all of the guest stars. Oh, I think, and I did not double check the credits and that would have been a great thing to do, but I think Alex's handler, Cedric, is voiced by Harvey Fierstein. I think that, I mean, very, very, either Harvey Fierstein or someone doing a Harvey Fierstein impression. Very, very recognizable voice and a delightful voice to pair with Natasha Lyonne's voice inside of a universe. So if, as it seems, she will, Alex, if there's a Poker Face season three, which we hope there will be, I personally hope there will be.

49:39Rob:And if Alex comes back, hopefully we will get more of Cedric and hopefully that is actually Harvey Fierstein's great, great voice on the other line. All right, anything else you want to say about Poker Face. Just one more thing. Again, as we're talking about the red flags that Charlie should have seen with Alex, a person that would order a Watergate salad cronut. First of all, I still need to be convinced that Watergate salad is a real thing. This is one of these mythical, to me, very 70s-coded foods that's like... Is it Jell-O and marshmallows? It's kind of Jell-O-adjacent. Yeah, there's marshmallows involved.

50:19I believe there's pistachio involved. I think there's some other fruit.

50:23Rob:Pistachio fluff, Watergate salad, pistachio, oh, oh, marachino cherry. Okay. Oh, this is tough to look at. I don't like it. Okay. Visually, it doesn't really work out. It's like if you blend, the visual of Watergate salad based on the pictures that I have seen is like blending pistachio ice cream with like a fake gag vomit that you would buy at the joke magic store. Like that, that, those two things mixed together is what this looks like. What do you think is a bigger red flag? The Watergate salad cronut or not really being that interested in Michael Clayton because there's too much talking. I can't tell you that I remember at a time where I turned on a character faster.

51:07Like it's just, it's such an easy shorthand for you should hate this person.

51:11Rob:The reddest flag that ever was. Truly. Okay. that is it for our coverage of season two of poker phase i'm really glad we came back to this and i i thought the season ended on a really high note um we did watch it in a very odd sort of uh start and stop kind of way but i had a really good time with it likewise i hope it comes back sooner than two years you know we waited a long time between one and two i hope i hope we're back again soon we will be back if all goes according to plan i think next week with this new project that i don't know why i'm beating around the bush announcing it just because it's just like hasn't been like it's not done yet i don't want to jinx it i don't know yeah but we'll be dropping this mystery project next week it is not i will say this here's the tease okay it is not joanna and Rob watches the Pranos for the first time.

52:02Rob:But it's not not that. And that is my. That's how you sell it, Joe. Delectable hint. For what we have coming up. Tastier than a Watergate salad cronut. Thank you to Justin Sales always for his work on this feed. Thank you to Kai Grady. Always. Who's here producing this episode. We will. Thank you to Rob Mahoney. We will see you soon. And bye.

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