‘Task’ Episode 3: Who’s the Mole?

13:54I think one flows seamlessly into the other. You know, wedding arrangements into potentially peeing on each other. Like, the line is straight. I did think monologue-wise, you guys are right, this is incredible. It's well-written. It's well-performed. I thought this one was easily the most TV thing in this show that has happened all season. It felt like a pause, clear out, let the actor cook kind of monologue in a way that felt a little showy. Not that I'm opposed to that, but did kind of stick out a little bit within a show that otherwise, like, very polished.

14:22Joanna Robinson:Part of it to me was the way he was framed. It was like a direct, just sort of like, here's this guy centered in the frame perfectly, going to talk directly at the camera about this thing that happened to him. Whereas, you know, like Maeve or Aaliyah, like that's a slightly different setup where it just seems a little bit more natural. This is like, here's my audition monologue kind of moment, my self-tape for this role kind of setup, so yeah.

14:48Bill Simmons:Rob, would you have accepted the 50 % or would you have kept negotiating? I mean, I don't want to get peed on. Are those the terms? I think they thought he was just going to, like say fine for 20. I mean, at this point, it's all found money, right? Like I think 50 % given their circumstances and most importantly for them, finding the dudes who did this, that should be as valuable as anything, including kind of the score. What was it? It was 12 kilos, 12 birds that we're looking for.

15:15Joanna Robinson:Pure.

15:16Bill Simmons:Well, we learned something very important in the, in this whole exchange that there's some Ecuadorians from Boston. I have a home team now to root for. I can root for the Ecuadorians to get the fentanyl. I was pumped. Who knew they had a big drug scene that might be coming into Pennsylvania? 50 % or I pull out my cock and piss all over your bearded faces. I think this is what Rob Palenka said. I have to. It's what Rob Palenka said to Nico. Rob, basketball joke. Sorry, Joe. I have a question.

15:48Joanna Robinson:Yeah. On a scale of one to, like, piss in the beard. That makes it worse. It feels worse. It makes it worse. Than anything else, right? Especially those are. those are lush beards you know those are those are beards that are catching soup on a regular basis and now now you're trying to pee into this beard it's a mess well he has a new set of teeth and he wants 50 i was glad to get a uh an explanation from robbie as to why he felt like he needed to move the drugs why he couldn't just bury the drugs in the woods which is what i want him to do and he's like i need this money so i guess i can go to canada on a trucking route We had a whole Zewataneo sort of conversation about where we might go, which of course we're never going to make it there.

16:30Joanna Robinson:But that's why he needs the money for that. And to a certain degree, you could ask yourself, can you do it without these millions of dollars? But there's that sunk cost fallacy of like, I'm in it, I've got to go all the way. But at least he's justifying to himself, if not entirely to me, why he's not just like running right now. That's what I would do. I would take the kids and Maeve and go and never look back. I would not try to move a bunch of drugs while the cops are looking for me and the bikers are looking for me at the same time. Joe, you still have that entrepreneurial spirit. You know, it's true.

17:08Joanna Robinson:It's true.

17:09Bill Simmons:Well, I was going to say the move is to just wait a year, right? But this is when the show dips into its heat DNA. The bank is worth the risk. The bank wasn't worth the risk in heat. No. They should have walked away. They'd done enough of a job. The heat was on them. Maybe chill for a little while. You already made some money. There's no reason to rob the bank when the police is just waiting for you to do the next thing. But this is why we love these shows and movies. They have to do the thing you deep down don't want them to do. They just have to.

17:41Joanna Robinson:Could you? Because you have the kid, and that's a problem. Yes. Could you take the kid, not drown the kid, but take the kid. take the two boys and the girl, pack them in the car with the drugs, go literally anywhere else. And I feel like as soon as you're in a different state, you know, you might not even have to wait a year. You could go out to like, come out to the coast, have a few laughs, move to fentanyl. We love fentanyl out here. Come on.

18:08Bill Simmons:Lots of great places for fentanyl.

18:09Joanna Robinson:Exactly. I'm not going across state lines with 12 kilos of fentanyl. That sounds like we're escalating my sentencing at that point.

18:17Bill Simmons:And a kidnapped boy.

18:18Joanna Robinson:Now who doesn't have the entrepreneurial spirit, Rob?

18:20Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's fair. That's a really tough one. I would have hung low. The problem is when we get to later in the episode when the police are at Cliff's house, now they know there's been some dots connected. And so you have on top of like, you have these drugs you can't move. The police are putting two and two together. And I don't know what you do at this point, but you probably just let the kid kind of resurface in a mall or something and just hope that because he's young enough, he's not going to be able to really describe what he remembers. Or do the classic action movie move where you're like, if you tell anybody one thing about this, we're killing you, we're killing your family.

19:00Bill Simmons:Like do some sort of threat that he would be afraid. I think that's your only move with the kid.

19:05Joanna Robinson:Good luck. I feel like Sam's like, well, they've got five chickens. This is their name. This is how much they prefer watermelon. Sam knows way too much at this point. If they dump Sam and leave, that's another option. Dump Sam and the drugs and leave. Dump his body? No. Joe, what are you doing? Just leave him and then go to Canada and leave Sammy behind. I would take him with me. He's too cute. On the scale of criminal desperation, where is on like a zero to 10, I'm going to smuggle myself to Canada. Like we're not really heating up yet because we're not talking about like non-extradition countries, I feel like.

19:39But yeah, at least at least a four or five.

19:42Bill Simmons:um yeah this is in the five to six range i also it's a it's a it's a thing i really like and like escape from datamora is the best if we can just get through upstate new york and canada is like this finish line at the end we just get there like it's going to be so much easier in canada is it um canada mexico are the two yeah yeah i'd be more mexico I'd probably be more of a Canada guy if I'm trying to escape.

20:11Joanna Robinson:Well, from there, it's a geographic game, right? If you're trying to escape from here, or if you're Thelma and or Louise, you're trying to get to Mexico. But if you're up there in Pennsylvania, aren't you trying to get to Canada?

20:23Bill Simmons:Yes. And as far north as you can get. That's where they're expecting you to go, though. So you might want to zag and try to do Mexico or Cuba or somewhere weird.

20:32Joanna Robinson:Oh, my God. I love the idea of Tom and the kids going to Cuba. Yeah, Cuba. Season two, look out for it.

20:37Bill Simmons:Feels like the late 80s in Cuba. We'll take a break and then we'll do the rest of the things we learned. Evening. Buyer's remorse. Buy a new car? I'll be moving in. Let's get started.

20:50Joanna Robinson:Sorry, I think there's been a mistake. I bought it from Carvana. You what? Yeah, great price. I even have seven days to love it or return it. So there's no... No, no buyer's remorse. More like buyer's rejoice.

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21:33Bill Simmons:Visit your local Deli today. Discover the craftsmanship behind every bite. Boar's head committed to craft since 1905. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. The World Cup is finally here and the coolest thing right now, FIFA World Cup launch edition on Netflix, a fast and fluid game where your phone is the controller and your TV is the stadium. Play as any of the 48 teams in 16 real world stadiums and it's included in your membership. Yeah. Go to the games tab on your TV and play FIFA World Cup launch edition now only on Netflix. I think Joe was lukewarm on this episode. I don't think she wants to really come out and say it.

22:11Bill Simmons:I feel some lukewarmness from you.

22:13Joanna Robinson:I wasn't down on it. I was just sort of, I was really high in the first two and I'm like medium high on this one. I guess

22:20Bill Simmons:they had to answer some of the things they laid out in the first two. And now I feel like we are unencumbered the rest of the way.

22:28Joanna Robinson:Maybe I, you know, the, the mole hunt is interesting to me because we had talked about this a little bit last week. Like, is there a mole in the task team and who might it be? Now that we're in episode three and it's a big, like, who is the mole question, now I'm wondering if there is no mole. Because a way in which the bikers could have found out about Cliff is we saw them go into Peach's, like, fiance's house. And we don't know what the outcome of that was. We don't know why the bikers are there. And so the fact that Tom is now suspicious of Lizzie and Aaliyah and DeGrasso, like, makes me think that they're all innocent.

23:07Joanna Robinson:That's where I am by episode three, you know? It's too early. They're also fainting pretty hard on the Grasso stuff right now. Maybe it's just because we've been talking about it and kind of circling him as a candidate here, but his, like, conspicuous, oh, I have a mysterious meeting at 1130 at night with somebody I'm not going to tell you about, but I need to leave. It's like, oh, I'm just going to show up late with the coffee, but I'm going to blame it on Wawa. There's like a couple too many disappearances for him relative to the rest of the task force that feels pointed, feels in a way that's calling attention to itself.

23:37Joanna Robinson:What did you think then, if you have your eye on him, what did you think of the scene where he goes in with Tom to meet Jason and Perry? Like in scrutinizing those interactions, did you see anything there that was a red flag for you? This is the thing is it seems like either he and Jason are both very good actors. The best actors. And pretending like they don't actually know each other Or I think there's door number three as well, which is whoever his contact is, it's not Jason. Maybe he could always be liaisoning with some lower level dark heart and then the information is going upstream. But I agree with you, Joe, based on the timing, based on how hard they're leaning into the Grasso stuff right now, I do think whatever information they think is leaking is actually leaking out from somewhere else or just like a different channel.

24:21Bill Simmons:Can I zag a little bit here? Please.

24:23Joanna Robinson:Yeah.

24:24Bill Simmons:What's the name of the guy at the tail end of the episode who's telling Ruffalo, given the informant guy, whoever that guy is.

24:31Joanna Robinson:Can't remember his name. Who's basically like,

24:32Bill Simmons:you have a mole in the task force.

24:34Joanna Robinson:Yeah.

24:35Bill Simmons:Maybe he's the mole. You think he's the mole? What if this is the old swerveroonie? Episode five or six. This is the guy who's actually pulling the strings here.

24:44Joanna Robinson:Can I zig to your zag?

24:45Bill Simmons:Yeah.

24:46Joanna Robinson:Plimpton. Plimpton.

24:49Bill Simmons:Another possibility. She has one concern in this episode and it's not looking like a smacked ass.

24:54Joanna Robinson:What is Martha Plimpton up to? She's hearing a flashback. She's closer to Tom than anyone else. She's got a bone to pick with a department. I don't know. Plimpton.

25:05Bill Simmons:That, I think, would be the most disappointing swerve. It's like, I've been in this force for 28 years. I've made jack shit. It was time for me to get mine. We have one of those monologues. Like, all right, this is really how we're ending. I'm just a little suspicious of all the information of that middleman guy. For sure. Why is he getting all of it? What is he getting out of it? And if you're him and you're actually the person who's double dipping, wouldn't you make it so like you got them all on your task force, do you? I don't know. These four people are pretty randomly mismatched. They are randomly mismatched.

25:40They're also kind of pulled into this through such different means, right? We have characters like Lizzie who are sort of kicked over to the task force because they fucked up their other job. And then we have this sort of like handed off to Ruffalo. It would be hard to worm your way in here on purpose, I think. Yeah, I agree. That said, the only character from the moment they find out about Cliff, the task force finds out about Cliff, the only character we see texting or calling anybody is Lizzie, who is ostensibly texting the address to Grasso. So could Lizzie also text it, drop it in the Dark Hearts group chat?

26:12I think that's possible. Could Grasso copy-paste it into the Dark Hearts group chat? Also possible. But I'm still leaning towards it's not any of the three of them.

26:21Joanna Robinson:So you're saying Aaliyah innocent. There's no way. I just don't see it. I don't see how you give Aaliyah the big domestic violence speech and plot line and then make her the informant to the dark hearts. I don't see that. My pushback on that is that of the three, she's the one we least suspect, right? Sure. And Lizzie, my counter to that is Lizzie is such a fuck up in every way that she can't then also be the, like, she's the mole and she fucks up at everything.

26:51Bill Simmons:She'd be too bad of a mole. She's really, really clumsy at it. Or that's why she's the mole, because she fucked up in some way and owes people something.

27:00Joanna Robinson:And certainly I think Tom will, she'll be Tom's number one suspect because he'll be like, why did she let them push me down the stairs? Straight up just watched it happen. But I think Lizzie's I freeze, I freeze, I don't know what to do, I freeze has to pay off. Either in a, she freezes and she dies. Because that's, in a different show, I would say she talks about how much she freezes. So of course she has to have a moment where she actually will pull the trigger on Grosso or something like that. She won't freeze up. Or she freezes and she dies because that's the kind of sick fuck that Brad and Gobe can be.

27:39So, yeah.

27:41Bill Simmons:Just a little zag on this one. And so her, that we have that scene in the bar after the big, you know, arrest, whatever you want to call it. And then she's hanging out with our guy, with the DJ. They're having cigarettes and beers. And then we see some, I don't know, where were those guys from that were calling her Lizzie Stovetop? They were Stadies, right?

28:04Joanna Robinson:Stadies, yeah. Delco Stadies.

28:07Bill Simmons:So there's some sort of, I couldn't, I couldn't really read what was going on. there was some sort of baggage with her that she was embarrassed by. And we don't know what it is yet. So Joanna, what do you think it was?

28:20Joanna Robinson:Okay. So our screeners that were watching do not have closed captions on them. Right? Right. Correct. So I turned on the Spanish subtitles. And then translated? And then translated them. Look at this. Because the Stady said something that I was like, What a legend. What exactly did you say here? And he said, the barracks won't miss you. And I don't know if he means like, because she sleeps around in the barracks, because just that's a way to say we won't miss you. Like, what a word choice. The barracks won't miss you. I was just like, what is the... Because at first I was like, did he say your parents?

28:54Joanna Robinson:Is she a Nepo baby? Are her parents criminals?

28:57Bill Simmons:They called her Lizzie Stovetop. Well, her last name is Stover, I think. Yeah. Well, so Stovetop feels derogatory, Rob. Oh, for sure. My interpretation of all that was she also alludes to the fact that she has frozen before. And that's why she got sent to the task force. She froze and fucked up in some capacity, got benched as an on-duty officer, and then was in the, like, basically had to stay home and hold down the fort back at the office. I think that's where the Lizzie stovetop comes from. Like, she was writing the desk and...

29:27Joanna Robinson:Stovetop sits on the counter. Exactly. Okay. That's my interpretation. We'll see. I mean, maybe the fuck-ups are even more, like, extenuous than that.

29:35Bill Simmons:yeah I mean there was a piece of me wondering if there was some sort of sexual thing where there was like she maybe a couple people in the barracks or they got the reputation and

29:46Joanna Robinson:that's why they call her stovetop I don't know that if my shitty ex-husband slept with my best friend I might want to just be like fuck it and and you know do whatever I want to do yeah yeah

29:57Bill Simmons:I'm Lizzie and I'll tell you yeah I don't know all bets are off with Lizzie with Lizzie stovetop I don't know what it means. And it clearly means something. And there's some baggage we're going to find out about. Maybe there's sexual stuff there. Maybe there's not. There's definitely some sexual stuff between her and DJ Grasinova. Like she is, she is already trying to get after it. And we have no, look, I respect it. I respect the hustle. I respect everything that she's after here. Yeah, but he, something, something happened. He didn't like something about the interaction. He was immediately out.

30:26Bill Simmons:His baggage alert went off and was, was wrapping it up in five seconds. The way he was kind of studying her and studying the back and forth. And he was like, oh, my baggage lord's off. I'm out.

30:40Joanna Robinson:Okay. So on the like, is he a mole? Is he turned off by this whatever front? Can we take a moment to understand his like toast that he gives? Yes. Where he toasts her and he calls out the Stadies who came in and were shitty to her. and then he has a weird like kind of softball a cab moment inside of that speech too like it was a really weird yeah i was like what is what is the tenor of the bar he's like it's hard to be a cop and then a bunch of people boo him but i was like but aren't you in a cop bar like i don't i didn't really understand what exactly she appreciated it though he did like he did definitely he kind of

31:17Bill Simmons:he you know he kind of uh he he jumped ship on whatever was happening on the table and then maybe felt bad and was like, I gotta.

31:26Joanna Robinson:I will say Alison Oliver, who's playing Lizzie, I think she's really good. And like that, that look she gives him of like, oh my God, someone stood up for me. Yeah. I thought was really, really good. And it's going to make it all the sad, sadder when they have to draw guns on each other at some point. It really is. I, I will say this. If I was in a bar, cop bar or otherwise, and someone got up and made a speech about the one good cop and wanting me to toast them. Like, how is that not a this fucking guy kind of moment? I would resent the person being toasted even more than if they had ever mentioned it.

31:57Joanna Robinson:Yeah. I think he paints a bigger target on her back. Completely. So, yeah.

32:02Bill Simmons:Well, going backwards, we learn Ruffalo's team. I'm just calling him Ruffalo. I know his name's Tom, but I just, I can't help it. Is connecting Jason's gang with the murder. So they go to the bar and they do the, you got it leak. You know it. We know it. I'm just saying if anyone says that on any show. but near the end the biker gang says we got better ways to find Sam that don't involve either of you what does that mean Rob? Beat Peaches' fiance's dad to death or near death and extract some information like why bother with the legal red tape why bother with the task force with the baby feds you know like these are professionals in their own right and clearly they're very plugged in on a lot of different stuff why couldn't they get to the bottom of all this?

32:47Bill Simmons:little vigilante justice. Absolutely. Okay. What'd you think of that scene, Joe?

32:52Joanna Robinson:Yeah. The biker code. Um, I think it's interesting. I want to spend more time with Jason as a person. Yeah. Right. Like I need a Jason monologue. What's Jason's deal. I need to know more. He's a middle manager. I guess so. I would, I would, I would love to know more about like how he really feels about Aaron. What drove him to beat a man to death. Um, who was ostensibly a friend of his, I mean, I know why he did it, but I need to like understand who he is. like that he's that kind of guy.

33:19Bill Simmons:Obviously, could it make the wife's toes curl? Like Billy.

33:23Joanna Robinson:Like Billy could? Wow. Look, Billy can cook. We've all said that about him. Billy will throw you into the deep end in every way possible if he can. I did enjoy from the sequence, the Perry and Tom kind of glower down. It was good. I'm in for it. Obviously, we haven't gotten the big, like Tom and Robbie meet at the diner, the equivalent of a diner moment yet. And I'm sure we will in some form or fashion. But in the meantime, Tom and Perry, also pretty good foils for each other.

33:48Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's a good prediction. We are definitely getting the Jason-Robbie one-on-one something at some point.

33:57Joanna Robinson:Oh, Jason-Robbie, yeah. Yeah, we're getting the two of them something with the brother.

34:03Bill Simmons:There will be a monologue showdown, Inglis, but he probably worked on in his log cabin in Colorado or wherever he is.

34:12Joanna Robinson:Bill, can I ask you a Sopranos question?

34:14Bill Simmons:Yeah.

34:15Joanna Robinson:um, when Tom's, when Robbie is talking about his legacy, right? Maeve's like, your legacy is going to be, you know, you're a kidnapper, blah, blah, blah, your kids. And he's like, no, that's not my legacy. That's not my legacy. This is something that like we've seen across tons of crime shows. You know, this is something that Walter White thinks about all the time. This is like such a crime staple of like, what is my legacy? Or, you know, um, I don't know if you've heard the show, but there's a show called Game of Thrones where people talk about why we do things for our legacy. Is this a big concern for Tony Soprano as well as this just like a hallmark of that era of prestige television?

34:50Bill Simmons:No, ironically, Tony never talked about legacy and stuff like that. Yeah, no. He was in deep denial about everything about his life. Yeah, he positioned himself as a family man. I'm doing this all for my family. It was really a cold-blooded murderer.

35:03Joanna Robinson:But I think that's what Robbie means by legacy, right? This is for, I got to do this for my kids. But similar to Walter White in Breaking Bad, and I don't know about Tony Soprano, but like that Walt is like, I'm doing it for my family. I'm doing it for my family. I'm doing it for my family. And then spoilers for vague spoilers for Breaking Bad at the end. Walt has to be like, actually I did it because I liked it and I did it for myself. So is that the kind of person that Robbie is? It's usually the revelation. Yeah.

35:25Bill Simmons:Well, I mean, he does this too. When, when De Niro's Macaulay character is at the restaurant with everybody and everybody's got somebody except him and he's watching all the couples interact and then realizes like, ah, the librarian, maybe that could be my person. but he really is just addicted to the action. So when the moment comes when he can get away with her, he's still like, I got to kill Wingro. I think what happens with all these shows is the guy eventually is addicted more to the action than the family and the friendships, all that stuff. They really just care about the action. They can deny it all they want, but that's who they are.

36:00They don't want the regular type life. Like they don't want the beer and the ball games. But I think what's a tribute to this show and really a tribute to Pelfrey, I do believe part of it. I do believe at least that he believes it. And he certainly does seem to be doing a lot for the sake of his kids. And certainly for the sake of this kid, he has just kind of stumbled upon and now taken custodianship of through kidnapping.

36:21Joanna Robinson:Here's the thing that's most compelling to me inside of an episode that I was not my favorite of the three, but still good. Like that what's going to happen, we're not that interested in at the end of the day because we know what's going to happen, right? He's not making it to Canada. Like we know things are going bad for Robbie. so then thinking a lot about what bill said about this poor kid sammy who can't swim i'm like is the question then like can robbie get out of this at least with his like humanity intact like even if he doesn't survive they've gone they've gone so hard on making us like robbie like even in that interaction that he has with ray and shelly when when ray is talking about like his son having his head up his girlfriend's shirt and he's like save some for your old man and robbie like wants to vomit you know robbie's like the crim the the robin hood the criminal with the heart of gold sort of thing so like but will he be cornered enough and desperate enough that he hurts a kid we've watched him gently stroke the faces of his children like in so many montages in this show so that that's the thing that i'm worried about is like can robbie even if he can't survive this can he can his humanity survive uh the pressures that he's gonna feel from all sides

37:36Bill Simmons:I think Joe's a harsh grader on this episode. Your expectations were too high. I don't know. Well, one and two did set a high bar. Yeah, because I thought there was a lot of good stuff in this episode. And we didn't even talk yet about the chase scene and the house. I guess we got to go backwards, though, because we meet Cliff's drug buddy, Ray, who's OJ crossed with Danny Crawford. I guess he's a basketball ref, but he's also a domestic abuser. And one of the scariest looking face slash character people we've ever had on one of these shows. Great face. Clearly not anybody who could be anything other than a bad guy and a criminal.

38:16Bill Simmons:Just a walk-in curb walk. I feel bad for him, but look, he's evocative for exactly that reason. He tells them they can't move it to Frius because there's going to be too much heat on it. They've got to come up with another direction. But really, his frazzled wife is listening in the kitchen. Yeah. and it's a good zag by the show because you're thinking oh she's listening maybe she's going to go to the cops she hates this guy no they're just going to rob Cliff's house that night and they have the Scooby-Doo reveal rob yes after we have this two chains like who are these two and then we pull the mask and it's her I was surprised you were maybe I'm slipping I don't know when I saw the second the second perp take off I was like this is rec league ref stamina you know like this this looks like a guy who's been running up and down on the court, just ready to whistle baseline to baseline.

39:06But also who else could it be? It would either be nameless, faceless bikers who we've kind of met, or these two. It did seem like this is something they would do, turn around and try to rob Cliff and steal the drugs. At least that Ray would do. Maybe not Shelly, but at least Ray.

39:23Joanna Robinson:As two basketball aficionados on this podcast, can I ask you, how would you rate Aaliyah's jump skills versus Anthony's. They both do a jump tackle. Now, I know jump tackle is a football thing and not a basketball thing, but still getting air is part of the thing. So how did these two leaps rate for you between these two cops?

39:48Bill Simmons:I thought DJ Grasanova seemed very athletic. Yeah. Yeah, I was impressed by him. And Aaliyah had that lady turned around and handcuffed in five seconds. So I thought she was good. Lizzie seems like uncoordinated, frazzled, can freezes in the moment of action. Like that's somebody you want to be going into a scary place with as your partner. Yes. Absolutely not. I do think Grasanova, that almost was more of like a free safety, blindside kind of hit. Yeah, that was a football move. Or rugby. He really kind of took the back alley, came around the whole thing, caught him by surprises. It was an impressive maneuver though, I have to say.

40:26Bill Simmons:Well, this scene had my least favorite part of the episode, Ruffalo goes tumbling down the stairs. It was like, oh boy, just like the wife. And then, and is obviously a little concussed. And then I'm like, don't do the thing where he sees his wife at the top of the stairs. And it's like, oh, they did it. That was the one thing I really didn't like in this episode. I just thought it was corny. Yeah. Joe agrees.

40:50Joanna Robinson:Yeah.

40:51Bill Simmons:I mean, Joe gave this episode a D -.

40:54Joanna Robinson:Absolutely not true.

40:56Bill Simmons:Really down on it.

40:57Joanna Robinson:Well, if you, okay. So ghost wife on the stairs, not your fave. How do you feel about flashback wife?

41:03Bill Simmons:Well, we knew it was coming because we, because IMDB, Sleuth Joe called it early, the overqualified flashback actress. So we know we're getting it. That was another thing we learned, by the way, we got to go backwards, even though Ruffalo looks exactly the same as it is eight years, 10 years later, whatever it is.

41:21Joanna Robinson:Minus the beard. Yeah. It's an angel's wonder.

41:24Bill Simmons:When we have these domestic flashbacks, I just hope that if something terrible happens to me, my wife has the same fuzzy memories of just us in the kitchen laughing and just being in complete love. I just hope that's how I'm remembered. Just being around the kitchen, making some scrambled eggs, just being in love. That'd be great. It's all any of us can hope for. Just again, a very fuzzy, warmly tinted flashback of either that or like running on a beach with like somehow sheets or capes dangling around us. The full dead dog wife.

41:57Joanna Robinson:Dead dog wife.

41:58Bill Simmons:We never have the scene where they're like, where's the remote? I thought you had it. And just people yelling at each other for no reason. Well, if the Phillies Cup is any indication, that may also be coming. This has been a real mixed bag for Ruffalo over the years. So anyway, I didn't love the visage of the wife, but I didn't mind the flashback scene. We knew it was coming. I have more questions. Yeah.

42:20Joanna Robinson:Like what?

42:22Bill Simmons:Well, so that seemed like eight, ten years earlier. seven like how old do you think those kids were that they showed the two adopted kids in the moment they seem like teenagers 10 to 13 range Ethan older right than Emily yeah and he's being tried as an adult so he at least has to be 18 she's still like seven or eight years ago so he's adopting the kids the priest is coming in he's clearly out of whatever he was doing religiously at that point and he's somewhere in but still seemed a little like beaten down, but I think Ruffalo maybe could shake who he is now in the, but I just, I was just curious by it.

43:04Joanna Robinson:About the timeline? Yeah, we should do some, we should do some math.

43:07Bill Simmons:Yeah.

43:07Joanna Robinson:Something that I want to flag also about Sarah, his other daughter, is that we get the text messages with good old Andy back in Chicago. Oh my God, Andy, read the room. And Andy's like, when can we talk about us? And Sarah's like, 12 of never please your wife just went home to deal with the sentencing of her mother's killer who's also her brother and you're like can you pay some attention to me please not that Sarah needed more motivation to be as frustrated as she was in last week's episode but if she's dealing with all of this with her new kid with the all this blah blah and a fractured marriage waiting for her back in Chicago on top of it.

43:51Joanna Robinson:This is just a lot for Sarah to juggle. So no wonder she's doing a heavy pour on the Cabernet Sauvignon.

43:57Bill Simmons:Oh, I was going to say you left out she's dealing with holding the biggest wine glass I've ever seen. I was trying to think, did anyone in Big Little Lies have more wine in a glass? Because that was always the gold standard of just like, it's like a double pour. In a restaurant, you pay twice as much. The Tammy Taylor pour? The Tammy Taylor

44:16Joanna Robinson:Chardonnay, you know? Oh, that's a good one. Or the Cersei Lannister pour. You know, it's like there's really a long lineage of the heavy wine pour up to the brim. But I love what I loved what they did with Sarah last week in terms of her lashing out at the dinner table. I also love her feeling terrible about it and not quite walking it back, but explaining a little bit more about what she had seen with her mom. Yeah. And the ways that their lives had sort of even before anything violent happened, devolved and changed shape as a result of everything that Ethan was going through. And it's like, of course, Emily has to walk up at the exact wrong time to hear like the one message she dreads hearing.

44:52But I thought all of the stuff between Sarah and Tom was really lights out. Jill, maybe that's a spinoff pod for us because you guys created that hook show about like when the red episode to watch to get sucked into a show.

45:07Bill Simmons:Wine pours.

45:08Joanna Robinson:Heavy pour.

45:09Bill Simmons:Like do like episode three, the mom from the OC near the end of episode, near the end of season one, when all of a sudden the Chardonnay was like a fucking trough.

45:18Joanna Robinson:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:19Bill Simmons:And you're like, oh boy, here comes the alcohol plot. I've always enjoyed those though.

45:23Joanna Robinson:Yeah.

45:23Bill Simmons:When all this, there'll be some mom or some, some friend. And once, once the wine is over like two thirds filled with the giant Cabernet, I like when they put the white in the giant Cabernet glass, which is a no, no, but it's like, they just want to get as much wine as possible. on the screen. Just a delivery system. She's only shrinking red. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

45:42Joanna Robinson:I really, I feel, yes. The fact that Sarah is pounding that much red wine is an expert level as far as I'm concerned. And what I just heard was a pitch for next summer when Prestige TV goes into a lull, we're going to do the Heavy Pour podcast. The Heavy Pour bracket coming soon to the Ringer Podcast Network.

46:01Bill Simmons:My two passions are wine pours in a show and terrible sports scenes when it's like the worst possible high school girl soccer scene. I would watch footage of that all the time. Speaking of this family, we predicted this too. We had a lot of good predictions in episode two. We predicted we would meet the murdering adopted son who's in jail and we did. The other sister went. I thought this was kind of a blah scene. I don't really know what to take from it. Did you take away anything, Rob?

46:31Joanna Robinson:Sounds like Bill's kind of lukewarm.

46:32Bill Simmons:That was my other scene I didn't like. What did you think, Rob? I thought it was fine. I thought Emily... Serviceable. You know, we needed to see him at some point. We see Emily trying her damnedest to be positive in this interaction, basically asking him if he's made any friends as if this were the first week of kindergarten. Yeah. I don't know what else you can get out of here other than if it were just like a really standout performance, but I'm guessing Ethan's moments will be later to the extent that we get them. Like he will have some fireworks at some point, but this is just introducing us to that character.

47:07it was fine he's no basketball ref no no asshole ray do you think the basketball

47:14Joanna Robinson:15 minutes to get there and that's if traffic's good come on that guy's a basketball ref clearly

47:22Bill Simmons:scrapping with the players after a call i would think threatening to fight everybody yeah no way he's like you think that was the wrong call for just for shelly and her two teenage sons

47:32Joanna Robinson:I hope they are doing okay. Well, one of them is doing okay in the basement in some sense of that word. Absolutely.

47:39Bill Simmons:And then the last thing we learned, the ending, when the informant says, Brandon Simons of the Dark Arts was casing Cliff's house later that night post-arrest, which means the Dark Arts had information coming from Ruffalo's side. How tight is your circle on this? And then he goes, my advice, suspect everyone. Yeah, including you, fuckface. You're also a suspect.

48:03Joanna Robinson:I thought that was such an interesting flash to all. He's going through the members of the task force, then flashing to all of them. I'm like, are we in? This is my concern. My concern is that we are in the state, and I've heard this from people who make televisions, that the note they get from the network all the time is that you have to reiterate and reiterate things in case people are looking at their phones or looking at their iPads or whatever while your show is on. So do you think this moment where there's like, well, here they are. It's Aaliyah, Lizzie, Anthony. This is what they look like.

48:32Joanna Robinson:Just so you know, these are our suspects. Like, I thought that was a really weird moment inside of this episode. There were three people. Like, we can handle it. I promise. We could do it.

48:41Bill Simmons:Well, I think you made the right call, though. If it is Aaliyah, they're trying to throw us off the scent with the domestic violence little monologue about her history and be like, oh, man, I like this lady. And now they're going to swear by us. I thought that was a really good scene.

48:55Joanna Robinson:I thought her deliver. That was good. That was a really good monologue. Definitely. I thought that was really good. This is a question worth asking for a show like this. If you're one of these supporting characters who is maybe more like fifth, sixth, seventh on the bill, how many character traits will a show give you? Are they willing to give you two or even, God forbid, three different character traits? And if so, then you might be the mole.

49:16Bill Simmons:Are you willing to have a whole DJ background from college? Okay. With a moniker.

49:23Joanna Robinson:Okay, so, well, actually, I think Lizzie wins, right? because it's DJ is suspiciously absent sometimes. With Aaliyah, it's the domestic violence background and is better at her job than anyone else on the task force.

49:35Bill Simmons:Well, and also IMDb's Sleuth Joanna was suspicious of her just because it was an overqualified actress for the part. She's very good.

49:42Joanna Robinson:All three of them are good, though. They're good. Lizzie has the cheating ex-husband, all the stuff with the Stadies, and the I freeze, you know, sort of stuff. So, like, that's a lot on her plate. I do think if it does end up being Grasso, it does seem like Lizzie will be the one to confront him at that point, based on everything we have set up with her freezing in those moments. And I think not only will she shoot him if it comes to that, it will be because of some advice he gave her coming full circle. I feel like that's a different show. Maybe it is a different show. I feel you're right. Like, that's a classic move.

50:19Joanna Robinson:But I feel like what Mayor of Easttown taught me was, don't think Evan Peters will be okay. Because he will not be, you know? Well, again, I think the kids may not all be all right. But somebody's going to have to get a win somewhere.

50:33Bill Simmons:Well, we had three awesome scenes in this. The first scene with Palfrey and Maeve.

50:37Joanna Robinson:Yes.

50:39Bill Simmons:The whole chase, not knowing and thinking somebody might get shot. I enjoyed that. And then them basically eking out the confession from our basketball ref and his embattled wife. I liked how they went back and forth on that. And then the best part, obviously, was that he had an incredible Flyers iPhone protector. Huge sports fan, this guy. Completely. But I thought that whole, the way they kind of played them off of each other, I thought was really good. And then Ruffalo screws him over at the end. It's like, no, no, you're actually still going to jail. Fuck you, dude.

51:16Joanna Robinson:I have a question for Rob, who is, I think, of the three of us, the biggest foodie on this podcast. is it a red flag or a green flag that Lizzie likes the peach rings with the tahini like how do you feel about that this is the greenest flag thing she's done on the show everything else she does worries me about just the state of her life peach rings A plus peach rings with tahini come on that sounds incredible I honestly never had one with tahini but now I would love the shipment to arrive at my door

51:44Bill Simmons:the other thing we learned I forgot to mention this was Ruffalo's character made the decision I don't want my son to live here. Yeah. And sadly his, uh, really screwed up younger daughter heard this cause she was parking her bike. But, um, so we've, we've gone from episode two to episode three of like, he's like, I finally arrived at this point. I don't want this guy in my house. He killed my wife.

52:05Joanna Robinson:Here's, here's my note. If you're, um, a, a spiraling shit show alcoholic, but want to be a good dad. Uh, if you have a covered porch, I would say don't have key conversations there. don't snooze your booze off there I would use some closed doors for any of these things our guy is not only a total mess he has just suffered a major concussion and done the one thing that they said do not do which is look, the Phillies cup does refill itself he's just going to guzzle it down it's the way it's going to go but he's not in the clearest state of mind at this particular moment yeah, this instance I could maybe forgive him but like all the other booze naps he's taken on that porch while he's birdwatching that his daughter has to witness.

52:53Joanna Robinson:I don't know. I also think, look, as far as the accents on the show go. Oh, I had this. Yeah, let's do it. There's a lot of stuff happening. Some I appreciate, some I don't. I think Warder Ice obviously gets a lot of play anytime the Philly and the Delco accents are coming in. I just want to give a little bit of a salute. A lot of daughter in this episode, a lot of further of a daughter, and I'm enjoying it all. I'm enjoying the full range of accent emotion. Who do you think is the best accent of anyone on the show right now? Just one pick. I mean, Ruffalo's isn't precise. And so it's hard to say that his is like nailing it because the degree of difficulty just isn't as high.

53:31I actually like Lizzie's.

53:33Joanna Robinson:I like Lizzie's too. Yeah, I was going to say Lizzie. I think it's Lizzie or Maeve. I think Maeve is really good too. Maeve is really good.

53:38Bill Simmons:Because Pennsylvania, you do that instead of home, you go ham. Like you're...

53:43Joanna Robinson:Lizzie, that actress is Irish. and the actor who plays Maeve is English. So I think this is all interesting. Don't ruin this for us, Joe.

53:52Bill Simmons:Jesus.

53:52Joanna Robinson:No, no, no. I just think they're doing a great job.

53:55Bill Simmons:We have no American actors. You've made the point. We're aware. We have no American actors under 40 except Chalamet. He's our only one.

54:01Joanna Robinson:Just Ruffalo and Pelfrey out here holding it down.

54:03Bill Simmons:And Austin Butler. He's from America, right? Yeah, yeah. He is from America. Yeah. That's awesome. I'm glad he's from here. He's from somewhere. Is it America? Today it is. We'll see a couple weeks from now. And Margaret Qualley. I'm pretty sure she's from here. We love Margaret Qualley. Yeah, thank God. Quote of the episode, Maeve saying to Sam, when you get older, you get to choose what you take from your parents and what you leave behind. Really would be like a searing high school yearbook quote.

54:31Joanna Robinson:It's better than like, have a good summer.

54:33Bill Simmons:That is like a direct repudiation of your parents, if that's your yearbook quote.

54:37Joanna Robinson:I really liked that scene with Maeve and Sam in the water. I was, again, perturbed by the beautiful image of her hand holding him up and wondering if later we're going to see a hand holding him down.

54:51Bill Simmons:What do we have for the odds of Sam making it? I said it was over under six and a half episodes and Joe recoiled in horror. Rob kind of enjoyed it. Okay. I think the under is moved up to like almost two to one, two to one favorite. I don't think he makes it to the end of the season.

55:10Joanna Robinson:I'm hoping, I'm protecting Sam. Sam has to make it. Someone has to protect him. But I feel like someone's going to try. See, I'm less worried about is someone going to hold him under the water, Joe, and more are we going to see someone pulling his body out of the quarry in a similar sort of lifting fashion. It's looking more and more dangerous for, I mean, for him, obviously, for most of these characters who are in Robbie's orbit. I'm perpetually worried for Maeve, the character who I want as a watcher of a TV show to help Robbie and to be involved in this family, but so clearly needs to get the fuck out of there to Canada or literally anywhere else, but just won't do it.

55:48Joanna Robinson:In terms of survival though, isn't Cliff the person who has the loudest ticking clock on him right now? Is it Cliff or is it Diff Moward? He can go undercover at any moment. That's true.

56:01Bill Simmons:Forgoing who's going to die rankings. Cliff is probably the favorite. I think Sam, but it probably comes later in this season. We're going to lose somebody from the biker gang in the next two episodes. And then I think one of the three in the task force underneath ruffalo oh yeah i think i would not be surprised one of those three is dying and it's probably lizzie from a freeze and if i had to make a prediction which i'm happy to do right now i think there's going to be some breadcrumbs pointing to her we're going to think it's her but it turns out she's just really fucked up has some skeleton and then even as everyone's doubting her, maybe she gets killed and then it turns out she actually was a good person all along.

56:45Bill Simmons:It's one of those.

56:47Joanna Robinson:And then Tom is like, I feel so guilty for having suspected her. I'm now going to become even more of an alcoholic. How much further down can you go for Tom?

56:56Bill Simmons:I don't know. That last wine pour he had wasn't even a pour. It was like -

57:00Joanna Robinson:A glug. Yeah, it was like when you're pouring out something

57:04Bill Simmons:after a party where you're just like, I want to pour this in the sink, but it was going into a glass.

57:07Joanna Robinson:It was a sink pour. Trash can punch

57:09Bill Simmons:but straight into the Phillies cup. Yeah.

57:11Joanna Robinson:Yeah.

57:12Bill Simmons:All right. It's time. Predictions. Rob, what do you got? Biggest prediction for episode four. We've already made like four predictions though. Is there any left? Who else have we not talked about? I feel like we've covered predictions for almost every major character.

57:24Joanna Robinson:I have a question about Bartender whose name I did note and then forgot to. Bartender was a little... It's Lady Bartender, Joe. Lady... She Bartender.

57:34Bill Simmons:Lady Bartender did seem like she had some info and some concealing things about her.

57:40Joanna Robinson:Bartend her. I think she knows that it's Aaron or suspects that it's Aaron and deflected guilt over onto Ginger Beard, Rob's favorite red herring, Ginger Beard, right? She's like, oh, you need info? That guy's, his wife says he's been acting funky and she's going to protect Aaron as long as she can. That's what I think is going on. What did Ginger Beard do to deserve this? be a ginger, I guess. Yeah, he's a little jittery, you know? It's okay. Doesn't mean a guy's, like, betraying your whole gang and way of life, but that dude's gonna get killed, or at least beat up. That dude, okay, you know what?

58:17Joanna Robinson:My death rankings are number one with a bullet ginger beard. Done, yeah.

58:23Bill Simmons:Do you have a prediction that we haven't done yet, Jo?

58:26Joanna Robinson:Other than that bartender thing, I don't think so. How about this for predictions? What do we think Emily will do? Like, do we ultimately think she will... stand up for her brother? Do we think that there's any other way for her to go in terms of her testimony at the upcoming hearing?

58:42Bill Simmons:Which could be episode four, by the way. Presumably, yeah. That could be our fourth is that whole thing.

58:48Joanna Robinson:Do you think there's a way that she doesn't do it, but Ruffalo does do it? Like, Ruffalo has a change of heart and he does it because he figures out a way to work it. Oh, yeah.

58:57Bill Simmons:Monologue watch? Big time monologue watch. I would say especially post-flashback where we get the conversation with him and his wife about everything you do is like based on a feeling, right? It's like based on vibes in this moment. Something is going to happen, even if it's just like, even if it's just a little sun steepling through some tall grass in the, you know, like a little moment for Ruffalo out in the world where he's like, you know what? I am feeling the connectedness of the universe. I am feeling this empathy for my son in a way that I haven't before. I'm queued up for the Emmy monologue.

59:28Bill Simmons:So that's courtroom. I wasn't going to be here today. I didn't want to be here today. Maybe half drunk, honestly. Right. And then he just... And we get the wide, wide shot of everyone in the courtroom with the crane coming down.

59:42Joanna Robinson:Can you...

59:43Bill Simmons:Verdict style.

59:44Joanna Robinson:Can you bring your Phillies cup up to the stand with you if you're in the courtroom? Is that allowed? I'll allow it. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Judge Mahoney. Thanks.

59:54Bill Simmons:This is a part prediction and a part nitpick for me. Not enough sports yet on this show. We've really only had the Phillies cover. No, but I think what I really want... What time of year do we think this is?

1:00:06Joanna Robinson:Well, we can swim in the quarry.

1:00:08Bill Simmons:I think it's summer. You think it's like late August?

1:00:11Joanna Robinson:Or spring, maybe. Spring into summer.

1:00:15Bill Simmons:So the Sixers are out of the playoffs by then. We might have the Flyers.

1:00:18Joanna Robinson:I feel like if it's summer, everyone is a lot stickier than they... So August? You're right.

1:00:25Bill Simmons:I think it's spring. I feel like the Phillies would just be on all the time. And wherever we are. I just think it would be a constant of just a din of Philly's broadcasts.

1:00:35Joanna Robinson:PrestigeTV at Spotify.com if you can identify what season we're in based on the birds that Tom is watching. If you're a birder and you're listening and you know what season we're in, let us know. Also, we should say alternatively, you can email us at djgrasanova at gmail.com. Not to be confused with djgrasanoepussy at gmail.com. That is not a long time. That one was taken. Yeah, it's a very competitive market for that one.

1:00:57Bill Simmons:Still bummed out about that.

1:00:58Joanna Robinson:But the other two kids for Robbie, we're not taking them to and from school, which makes me think maybe summer. No, they are because there's the father-daughter dance. Yeah. And they came home from school. Yeah, so they're in school.

1:01:12Bill Simmons:Oh, you're right. So we're September-October range, which means the Eagles need to be involved in the show, Rob. That whole area of Pennsylvania is just Eagles, Eagles, Eagles. Maybe there's a couple Steelers fans, too. It's a little, you know, he roots for the Steelers, even though we're in Eagles country. Like, I just need to look, give me a little sports. What if that was the actual reason for like the Dominican rift with the bikers? Is this like, that's Eagles country out there. You guys are walking around with your Eagle starter jackets. Like they get you in a way that they don't get me. So my prediction for this episode for fourth episode would be the, I think we get the courtroom and I think Ruffalo actually shows up, has a change of heart.

1:01:48Bill Simmons:And I think, I think this would be one of his Emmys and Emmys monologues we're going to be getting.

1:01:54Joanna Robinson:Okay, I think definitely we're getting an Emmy monologue, whether or not it happens in court, I don't know. I feel like we need a few, we're only on episode three of seven. I think we need a couple more episodes for him to change his mind about - Yeah, I could see that. Whether or not he would say something. Do you know?

1:02:07Bill Simmons:You don't think they're just gonna bang out this courtroom, the whole thing, and they're not gonna get rid of it?

1:02:11Joanna Robinson:I don't know.

1:02:13Bill Simmons:Feels like a classic middle of the season thing. It could be the kind of thing where it's like, it's coming soon, but the whole season takes place over, like it's only been 72 hours since Sam disappeared. Like the whole season could be a week.

1:02:23Joanna Robinson:It's the father-daughter dance on Thursday. Sorry, it's the father-daughter dance.

1:02:27Bill Simmons:Does the kid come home and he's in the house and nobody really wants him there but then ends up being the savior in episode seven? Throws biker Jason down the stairs? Finally murders the right person with a stair throw?

1:02:41Joanna Robinson:Okay. He finally got this right. Prediction, we're going to get four deaths by stair this season. A lot of stairs. Only the stairs were.

1:02:50Bill Simmons:showed the stairs were. All right. I think that's all I have unless the two of you have anything else. I have one last question. How do we feel we get an official name coining for Robbie and Company? The Halloween gang or Halloween crew? Right. How do we feel about that? I mean, obviously it fits the masks but is that cool? I didn't love it.

1:03:11Joanna Robinson:I think it's kind of cool. I thought it was kind of cool too. I think it's kind of cool only because their masks are good. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's this spooky Halloween crew. Maybe they can get rebranded to the spooky Halloween crew.

1:03:24Bill Simmons:Forgot to mention the video of that huge fight from 2017 in Reading. Seemed pretty elaborate. And it feels like that's a possible flashback scene. There's 30 people fighting. Incredibly high def. High def security camera in Reading. Yeah. So I wonder if we're going backwards with that too, to take a look at what actually happened there. And maybe.

1:03:45Joanna Robinson:Yeah. I mean. We better enhance that. Who was there?

1:03:47Bill Simmons:Yeah. Let's do a Zoom. Oh, it's Billy.

1:03:50Joanna Robinson:We recognize him from all the photos that we've been looking at.

1:03:53Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:03:55Joanna Robinson:I got not confused, but it's obviously Reading, Pennsylvania, but there's a Reading up here in Northern California that could easily have a biker bar shootout as well. So it's like, Reading, California? Oh, Reading, Pennsylvania. One of the things I like about where we are right now is we didn't even get any mention this week of the Maeve connection that would tie her and Robbie together and then the following up on that from the task force based on her suddenly appearing last week around Sam's supposed reappearance. Like, there are so many different threads the task force is supposed to be chasing.

1:04:26And we get that line this week that there's been like all these tip calls they're trying to sift through. It's like, they have more information than they know what to do with yet. And so they have kind of all the answers. They just don't know how they connect to each other at all.

1:04:38Joanna Robinson:Mr. Policeman, we gave you all the clues. Give all the clues. No, but they did get a Maeve thread this week, right? Because the guy who Bill thinks is the mole comes by and is like, the name of the guy who got beat up was Billy. And they're like, okay, let's chase the Billy line down. Then Ruffalo's gonna see Maeve and he's gonna be like, wait a second. I saw you before. At the Chuck E. Cheese or whatever. Through my vodka haze, I seem to recall. Seen you before.

1:05:07Bill Simmons:Yeah, I don't know if he's the mole. I'm just suspicious. He's weird. There's no question. He's the guy, forget like ginger beard guy. This is the most jittery, unpredictable force on this show. That guy, I really don't trust anything he says. Yeah, what's like his job? A professional mall. Does he have an office? Does he have like an assistant? Maybe he's internal affairs? Maybe, I don't know what he is. No, but he's talking about everything involved in the gang. He must just be like a detective of some kind.

1:05:35Joanna Robinson:Yeah, I think he like works with Anthony. They talked about him in an earlier episode. I just didn't write it all down. And so I don't have the answers for you right now. But like, I also think that actor is interesting. in terms of like, he's not, he almost seems like not a professional actor. Like they got a -

1:05:53Bill Simmons:A guy?

1:05:54Joanna Robinson:A guy, but - Interesting.

1:05:56Bill Simmons:All right, this is produced by Kai Grady, Justin Sales, Prestige TV. You can watch this as a video podcast on Spotify or you can watch it on our Ringer TV YouTube channel where you can find a whole bunch of stuff that we've done from the last few years. Joe and Rob, great to see you. Great to see you. Episode four, we'll see you in a week.

1:06:15Joanna Robinson:Bye. We'll be right back.