No Mercy / No Malice: Big Energy

11 May 2024 · 17 min

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Podcast Summary: The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway - Episode: No Mercy / No Malice: Big Energy

Episode Overview In this episode, Scott Galloway, hosted by George Hahn, discusses the intersection of the energy and technology sectors, emphasizing that both industries are intrinsically linked and that the landscape of power is shifting towards data and compute. Galloway argues that while big tech has taken the forefront in terms of market capitalization, energy still reigns supreme in revenue generation.

Key Themes and Concepts

  1. The Evolution of Energy and Technology
  2. Historical Context: Energy has been a cornerstone of economic systems since the advent of agriculture and has evolved from muscle power to fossil fuels.
  3. Energy as Information: The podcast posits that mass and energy ultimately translate to information, suggesting that the manipulation of data is the future of energy.
  1. The Convergence of Tech and Energy
  2. Capital Expenditure (CapEx):
  3. In 2024, total global investment in energy sources is projected to reach $2.8 trillion, with fossil fuel companies accounting for $1 trillion of this.
  4. Big tech is increasingly mirroring the energy sector's investment levels, with giants spending billions on data centers, which are likened to oil field development.
  • AI's Role in Energy Demand:
  • The demand for compute, particularly driven by AI, is escalating. AI's energy consumption is on track to rival that of entire countries.
  1. Market Dynamics
  2. Tech Companies' Spending: Major tech firms (Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon) are spending vast sums on infrastructure to support their operations, leading to a shift in how compute is perceived in terms of value.
  3. Revenue vs. Market Cap: Despite tech companies showing higher market caps, the podcast emphasizes that energy firms still dominate in revenue generation.
  1. The Nature of Consumption
  2. Energy Consumption Trends:
  3. Galloway discusses the correlation between energy use and wealth, asserting that as nations develop, their energy consumption will increase significantly.
  4. Global energy consumption is projected to rise by 44% by 2050.
  1. The Future of Compute
  2. Compute as the New Energy:
  3. Galloway introduces the idea that compute will become the most valuable resource, akin to traditional energy sources like oil and gas.
  4. The concept of 'compute' extends beyond just processing power to becoming a critical component of economic growth and innovation.
  1. Reflections on Regulation and Ethics
  2. Comparative Ethics: Galloway draws parallels between the historical impacts of energy companies and the current societal issues stemming from tech giants, suggesting both sectors produce externalities that can harm society.
  3. Regulation Challenges: He poses questions about the feasibility and implications of regulating the tech sector similarly to how energy companies are scrutinized.

Key Takeaways

  • The energy sector continues to be a dominant force, but its role is evolving as technology companies intensify their investments in compute.
  • The future may see tech firms becoming energy companies in their own right, as the demand for data processing and AI technologies grows.
  • Both sectors face ethical dilemmas regarding their impact on society, and the narrative surrounding the 'goodness' of tech compared to energy may be misleading.
  • The interplay between compute and energy will define economic landscapes in the upcoming decades, making it crucial to understand their relationship.

Conclusion Scott Galloway's exploration of the relationship between big energy and big tech underscores a pivotal shift in how we perceive value, consumption, and the future of both industries. The episode serves as a thought-provoking analysis of modern economic dynamics and the implications for society at large.

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1:12I'm Scott Galloway, and this is No Mercy, No Malice. The most valuable firms in 1980 and 2024 were and are energy and tech firms, respectively. Except they're all energy firms. Big Energy, as read by George Hahn. Einstein defined the 20th century with the revelation that mass is a form of energy. Today's theoretical physics posits something more fundamental. Mass and energy are all information. The 21st century will be defined by the recognition that the most powerful form of energy is the manipulation of information. Compute. the companies that control compute will be the most dominant businesses in history.

2:10Energy has been the tail that wags every dog from the beginning of economies. Yet the narrative in the equity markets now is that big oil has passed the reins to big tech. It's a practical observation. The majority of the most valuable firms in 1980 and 2024 were, are, in energy and tech, respectively. However, the construction of acres of data centers and the energy investments needed to power them reflect a deeper convergence. AI is accelerating big tech's transformation from an industry that sells computers to an industry that sells compute. And in a knowledge economy, compute is energy. 10 ,000 years ago, energy was the only industry.

3:01The world ran on thew, muscle power, and food was the energy source. Settled agriculture in the fertile Middle East created surpluses, and the economics emerged as the science of trading that surplus, exchanging energy. We then unlocked the energy in organic matter, wood, coal, oil. Machines supplanted muscles, and the energy business became the business of powering machines. oil's unrivaled source material for machine power has created wealthy nations out of deserts big tech companies may dominate the league tables of market capitalization but energy remains the revenue king six of the ten largest firms by revenue are energy companies and the industry generates more revenue than any other however tech looks more similar to energy each year.

4:01The energy business requires massive capital expenditures allocated on data and faith, offering unrivaled payoffs for those who wager correctly. If the whaling industry is the origin story of venture capital, energy is the original gangster of CapEx. Investment across all energy sources will total$2.8 trillion in 2024. Fossil fuel companies, responsible for$1 trillion of that CapEx, generate$4 trillion in revenue. ExxonMobil spent$23 billion on CapEx in 2023 and made$36 billion in profit. The investments are chunky. The UK's newest nuclear plant, under construction in Somerset, is projected to cost$57 billion.

4:59Planning the 20th century energy's megaprojects required the development of a new science of forecasting, Shell's famous scenario planning process. Side note, scenario planning is not predicting the future, but determining which decisions will register the best outcomes across several possible futures. Now, big tech is flexing its own thew. In 2024, the tech giants will spend the GDP of Finland,$300 billion, give or take, mainly on data centers, the modern equivalent of oil field development. Alphabet spent$12 billion in the last quarter alone, up 90 % year over year. Microsoft spent$14 billion, up 79%, and Amazon$14 billion.

5:52Tech does not match global energy investment yet, but individually, Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, and Microsoft will spend more in CapEx this year than ExxonMobil, Chevron, or Saudi Aramco. Meta operates 18 data centers that cover the same area as 19 Disneylands. The Core in Las Vegas, one of the world's largest data centers, has its own hype video. About one minute in, it gets impressive. Big Tech's profits are also historic and growing. Last week, Alphabet added$200 billion in market cap to reach$2 trillion after beating profit estimates by 25%. And Apple also added$200 billion after an earnings beat and announcing a$110 billion share buyback.

6:54Both generated more net income than ExxonMobil in 2023, as did Microsoft. Energy companies can justify these investments because our imagination for uses of energy is limitless. The iron law of bigger energy? The more we generate, the more we use. There's no such thing as too much energy. Energy is the antithesis of GLP-1 drugs. With energy, the more we consume, the hungrier we get. Wealth and energy consumption are correlated. It's not just power for profligate lifestyles, but productive power. Light, cooking, and storing food, communications networks, building, transport. Academic estimates of optimal per capita energy consumption only trend up.

7:48No number of energy-efficient microwaves and double-paned windows can counter the consumption of billions moving into the middle class. Global energy consumption is projected to increase 44 % by 2050. Tech's appetite is also insatiable. Tech's iron rule is Moore's law. Processing power doubles every two years. Nitpicking about the technical details aside, the principle has held true since 1965. How will we use this power? queried nobody, ever. Intel, a client of my first firm, Profit, impressed on us its singular strategic vision. They invested massive capex in fabrication plants for chips they hadn't invented for applications they hadn't imagined.

8:48In sum, if we build it, they will come. Nobody needed a faster chip until Apple showed the world a graphical user interface, until Netscape browsed the web, until God, Google, began responding to any prayer or query with millions of answers, or until a new God, ChatGPT, responded to your prayer with a single answer. Intel stumbled with the transition to mobile, but the paradigm hasn't changed. There's no such thing as too much compute. Big tech isn't just similar to the energy business. It is the new energy business. AI's growing power requirements make this concrete. AI compute requirements are doubling every 100 days, dramatically countervailing the gains in efficiency that every AI evangelist boasts about after vomiting that it will save or destroy humanity.

9:52Training the trillion-plus parameter models being stewed in a medium-sized city, San Francisco, requires the energy consumption of a small country. One chat GPT request requires ten times the energy of a Google search. In five years, the incremental energy demand of AI will be equivalent to 40 million homes. More than California, Texas, and New York combined. Data centers make up 3 % of total U.S. power demand, but that's projected to triple by 2030. By the way, 2030 is the same distance into the future as the finale of Game of Thrones is in the past, 2019. To feed their data centers, tech companies are investing billions in energy production and storage.

10:52The Wall Street Journal reports big tech execs descended on this year's annual oil and gas conference, hunting for energy. Bill Gates was the featured speaker. Amazon, the largest corporate buyer of renewable energy, has over 500 projects operating or in development. Announcements of new data centers are accompanied by commitments to develop new wind and solar farms to provide the power. The convergence of tech and energy reflects tech's transition from selling computing tools to selling compute itself. We don't buy DVD players and discs, we stream. We don't buy maps, we get directions. We don't purchase film, we capture images.

11:40Apple, the most profitable product company in history, depends on services for growth. Amazon, the Apple of retail, is a data center business that offers retail. AI pushes this trend to everything and everyone. Search, the most profitable business in history, will be replaced by answers. Spreadsheets and browsers will be replaced by agents. Apps and programs will be mutable, evolving code organisms raised by other agents. According to Energy Conference keynote speaker Bill Gates, quote, Agents will affect how we use software as well as how it's written. They'll replace word processors, spreadsheets, and other productivity apps.

12:34Businesses that are separate today, search advertising, social networking with advertising, shopping, productivity software, will become one business, unquote. Sam Altman believes that compute will be, quote, the currency of the future, unquote, the world's most precious commodity. In the 21st century, humanity has added a new page to physics, a new form of energy, compute. Just as our bodies convert the chemical energy of food into heat and mechanical energy, as solar panels convert the sun's electromagnetic energy into electricity, data centers convert electrical energy to compute, and it powers the digital economy.

13:25As with other forms of energy, compute is created by the largest companies in the world who have staggering capital to build moats the width of the Amazon, the river. As with other forms of energy, its consumption is inextricably linked with prosperity and growth. Compute defies economic gravity. Increased supply speedballs demand. The future of energy isn't renewable, but computable. The passing of the torch from energy to tech felt good for a hot minute because energy has gotten too in touch with its dark side. Energy firms invented the term externality. Carbon, corruption, and capitalism as a Sith Lord.

14:19In contrast, Tech felt better. Mark, Cheryl, Larry, Sergey, and Jeff were just too cute, too likable to be that evil. They even told us they would do no evil. Jeff's laughter, Cheryl leaning in, Mark hunting with a bow and arrow. Just fucking adorable. But then kids started harming themselves. Misinformation proliferated, and our discourse became coarse. Wait, the tech lords are not better than the titans of big oil. They're worse. Actually, they're neither. They're the same. Any arbitrage of one substance to another for economic gain creates emissions. Plants to beef? Methane. Fossil fuels to motion?

15:16Carbon. Attention to advertising? Rage. To believe the great arbitrage of compute won't create extraordinary externalities is to believe that Zuckerberg, Sandberg, Brin, Bezos would prioritize the well-being of the commonwealth over their wealth. If we could go back 100 years to the beginning of the fossil fuel era, or 20 years to the start of social, what would we do differently? Many argue that big tech is capitalism collapsing under its own weight. A jockey who's lost control of a thoroughbred. Regulating compute is similar to a 5-foot, 110-pound jockey mounting a Tyrannosaurus Rex. We know it will be ungainly.

16:10The bigger question is, will it be violent?

16:17Life is so rich.

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