Raging Moderates: MAGA in Turmoil — MTG Out, Mamdani In, and Major Legal Blow

26:01Did the DOJ wake you up at four in the morning and raid your house like they did with National Security Advisor Bolton? Has the DOJ been weaponized against you illegally as they're doing with Senator Schiff, but you just can't take it anymore? Let's just quickly take a little walk down memory lane of Marjorie Taylor Greene. She started her career by purchasing her father's general contracting company. After stepping down, she became a CrossFit coach. In 2017, she began writing for American Truth Seekers, a conspiracy news site. In 2020, she ran on MAGA positions like gun rights, anti-vax, and anti-masking policies and isolationism.

26:43Once in Congress, MTG quickly became a national figure due to her inflammatory positions in social media posts. She has shown support for QAnon conspiracy theory. She endorsed the theory that Sandy Hook and other shootings were fake. She harassed and verbally abused some of the survivors of the Parkland shooting them, calling them crisis actors. She has endorsed using violence against Democrats. She agreed with multiple 9-11 conspiracies, including the theory that the attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. government. She claimed that Obama was a Muslim attempting to open the borders up to a Muslim invasion.

27:18She said that Representatives Omar and other representatives of the Muslim faith were not actually congresspeople because they took their oath on the Koran, not the Bible. Oh, and that the fires were caused—she didn't say Jewish space lasers. She said space lasers connected to the Rothschilds, which is a trope for anti-Semitic behavior. And meanwhile, she has made reportedly$24 million trading on non-public information, including buying Palantir three days before the committee she sits on announced a$30 million government contract with Palantir. So in sum, good fucking riddance. Yeah. And we're so desperate for anything resembling integrity or pushback that we laud Marjorie Taylor Greene.

28:04She is vile. and the notion somehow that, you know, she did this for character integrity. Someone told her she was going to lose and she's trying to figure out a way to reemerge, go into the swamp and come back, you know, Godzilla after a radioactive bomb. This notion that she's just going to fade into the distance and spend more time with her family and that all of a sudden she's seen the light. I mean, this is, she's the problem, not the hero. And I just it just drives me insane that people are so drawn. We're so desperate for someone to say, oh, this is a bad idea or I don't agree with his policies.

28:47We're so desperate that we're willing to overlook, you know, the grossest of our enemies of democracy, of civil behavior, of bigotry, of empathy for other special interest groups. because she's one of the few people on the Republican side that has ever spoken up against this guy. I find it, I'll stop there. What do you think Marjorie Taylor Greene's gonna do, Jess? I don't know, but we asked her to come on the podcast and she has not said yes. That's a shocker. So, and when she hears what you just said, I'm sure she's gonna be dying to come on. You think our chances go? No, I'm in two minds about it.

29:24Like, yeah, fundamentally, I agree with you. I thought it was Jewish space lasers. I'm glad it was, you know, know, the more upscale version, just going after the Rothschilds. But, you know, also, like, if she sparks something in one other person who is on the fence about this or who really cares about the Epstein files and the cabal of pedophiles that are running the government or whatever, like, let it happen. I just don't want to waste our time. I'm not just talking about our podcast time, because I actually like talking about this. But as a party, I don't want to spend too much energy on this.

30:03Like, I really want to fulfill our potential. You know, there are so many great people that are running for office or are in office already. And I want to show up at the midterms and in 2028 and win because we deserve it, not because we're not the other guy. Yeah. Ideas, not indignance. Yeah, totally. And so stir up shit, Marjorie. That's cool. I'm sorry. I mean, the threats apparently against her and her children, quite extreme. That is scary and dangerous. You've actually apologized for your role in fomenting this kind of culture, but you should have known, especially as a mother. Let me just say, sorry, I'm going to apologize.

30:45I call bullshit. I bet you get more threats than Marjorie Taylor Greene. Not in the last few weeks. I would doubt. But, you know, plenty of people do not enjoy me and would like me not to exist anymore, for sure. But, you know, she's part of the culture that has brought this on. It used to be notable when people would get threats. And now it's just like the price of doing business and speaking your mind and political world. The senators who the Democratic veteran senators who made that video that has Pete Hegseth all hot and bothered and, you know, threatening to court martial Mark Kelly. You know, they're facing tons of threats for that.

31:24And you could I understand what there could have been more specifics in it and talk exactly about, you know, which commands might be illegal. And, you know, the conversations that you're having with junior officers who are saying that we're scared that we're going to be asked to do X, Y and Z things. I get all of that. I was not the director on the video. But if we get to a place where exercising your First Amendment right and as people who serve the country, you can't even say remember what the Uniform Code of Military Justice asks of you and you're going to end up with thousands of threats. Like that's not it's not a decent country anymore.

32:01It's not a good republic. It's not any of the things that we aspire to. And, yeah, that's kind of it. It's a I'm willing to take the discord, but Marjorie Taylor Greene still sucks. Yeah, it's I mean, just you brought up this hullabaloo over. I'm a big fan of Senator Kelly. And I just who couldn't be. That's the thing. He's like one of the ones where you see Republicans that even like him. Look at his electoral record. even. Look, okay. But I feel like his comms, he's very statesmanlike and shows a lot of grace, but I really wish his comms department would just issue a one sentence response that I have served on land, air, and space.

32:43I'm not going to take a lecture from a guy who's a draft dodger about what orders are legal and not legal. And since we decided at the Nuremberg trials that I was just following orders is not an adequate defense. The military colleges teach our officers that they have an obligation to obey lawful orders, but they also have an obligation to disobey orders that are manifestly unlawful. If you give the order to kill all the children in a village, they have a lawful obligation to disobey those orders. Now, whether the people who felt they needed to remind, I feel like quite frankly, that was bad timing and they didn't give their own servicemen enough credit.

33:25But what they said was 100 percent true. Yeah. It was like a PSA. Yeah, that's true. If your commanding officer orders you to burn a village, regardless of who it's going to kill, you are lawfully obliged to disobey. That's taught in every military college. That's taught in basic training, I believe. We just don't give our armed services enough credit for the kind of moral discretion they have to exercise in what is the place that has the least moral clarity in any situation, war. But that's just an enormous distraction. Let's move on to let's talk about what do you think the Halligan ruling means for Trump's broader effort to prosecute his political adversaries?

34:14A little bump in the road, but it's always nice to see how incompetent they actually are. You know, I mean, first of all, if Bill Barr was the attorney general, none of this would have happened at all. And you look at the Trump 1.0 teams and they are, you know, top of the line Avengers squad versus the C-list or whatever we have at this point. It looks like Comey's indictment has run out the statute of limitations. It was five years on September 30th. Some legal analysts say that the DOJ will get another six months to try this again. Tish James, they'll definitely refile it. But I think it shows actually how much pushback there is within our DOJ, not Pam Bondi or Todd Blanche level, but the regular foot soldiers.

35:03No one is willing to take these cases, but also they're not willing to help because I'm sure somebody in the Eastern District who's been there a long time or knows the law knew exactly what was going to happen and didn't say anything. They said, you go about your business. I'm going to be over here actually fighting crime. And the incompetence is staggering. It will be our saving grace, perhaps. Hopefully we can get to the midterms and have a good showing so that there's some degree of checks and balances and that their power is blunted a little bit. But it was a big egg on the face moment for sure for Halligan, our esteemed insurance attorney, but also for Pam Bondi.

35:46And I'm sure there was a lot of ketchup flying in the Oval when Trump saw that headline. It is. I don't think people recognize how bad this is for America because your brand is the biggest invisible aircraft carrier. The perception or belief of what you will do if we do X. And America is the most well-resourced nation in the world, the most innovative, and the most violent. We are absolutely willing to deliver violence to anywhere in the world if we see it as our interests. We also, above that, are seen as competent and empathetic, that we want to promote American Judeo-Christian values, whatever you want to call it, that we do like to think we have a base of ethics.

36:33All of those things are the ultimate carrier strike force in forcing some level of decency or interest in our allies and our interests around the world. The whole confidence brand association is going out the window. We look like asses. So the president wants to go. We can't even this guy can't even go after his political enemies without looking like a clown car. It ends up she's not even legally allowed to prosecute. I mean, it's just sort of, okay, these are the people who are going to develop the strategy for ensuring that China does not do a soft or a hot war invasion of Taiwan. Those are the people that are figuring out our economy and our trade policy and our approach to innovation and regulation around AI.

37:23Like, okay, these people have their head up their ass. It's great that Comey got off right away, dismissed out of court. Why? Because the current leadership keeps appointing village idiots to positions of power. And to think that that isn't happening up and down the stack of the agencies that run our, the woman running our Department of Education, our Secretary of Education, thought AI was A1 and didn't know what she was talking about. It is my favorite steak sauce. It's like, okay, that's the person who should figure out how we implement technology and the role of machine learning into schools.

37:59She thinks it's A1. And we have a Secretary of War who's fat shaming. OK, that's that's going to help us. Anyways, this is the good thing that might come out of this is the people you meet in government, a huge portion of the best and brightest go to D.C. to work for little or no money. But that's why you saw, I'm sure, that Doge got cost cut in itself and it ended up accomplishing absolutely nothing that it said. It was just costing us billions of dollars. But in those exit interviews, the Doge kids were like, actually, government runs pretty well. And these people are pretty badass. You got to rehire all of them.

38:38We got to get them back in because it ends up that our air traffic controllers are pretty good at what they do. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us.

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42:45on the core terms that are now looking to Europe and potentially a Zelensky visit to Washington to finalize it. But Moscow is warning it could reject any deal if the U.S. changes what it thought was agreed to at the Alaska summit. Jess, I have absolutely no sense for this. Can you give us what you think is the likelihood or the rail politic of this on the ground? What's going on here? I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but I feel like I've seen this movie before. And, you know, Russia saying, oh, I thought we agreed to the deal in Moscow where they got Trump saying basically whatever you want and here's our best stake was not a deal that Zelensky was going to take.

43:28And remember, it was the five alarm fire that weekend where all of the NATO leaders had to fly into the U.S. while Putin went directly to meet with President Xi and everyone's alliances were very clear. So, yeah, is it a good thing that there is some deal that Ukraine feels at least vaguely comfortable with that we are supportive of as well? Sure. Is it a good thing that that 28 point plan that came out a few days ago, which even a sitting U.S. senator thought was written by the Russians, is now off the table and we're down to I think it's like 19 or 20 points. But, you know, Moscow, it's weird.

44:08Like, on some level, they have no chips, no control in all of this. And then on another level, they have all of the control in the world because they have to agree to something. And they have not, since this war started four years ago and they illegally invaded a sovereign nation, they have not bent at all on any of the things that they're asking for. And it feels like we're on a never-ending merry-go-round, except that we're losing lives every day that this happened. And I understand there was no ceasefire in it, but I do think that it matters a lot that while there's this quote-unquote breakthrough going on, that Moscow last night was still launching strikes into Kiev, killed seven Ukrainians, and they're hitting energy infrastructure.

44:53Like they're basically saying, like, here's my middle finger and it's in the form of a drone strike. And so, you know, I want to be hopeful. But I do think I don't it's not like a gossipy, salacious thing necessarily. But the sub story of this, that the Army Secretary Dan Driscoll is the one over there negotiating, I think is meaningful because, you know, you have Pete Hegseth at home rage tweeting at Mark Kelly while the Secretary of the Army is the one sitting in Geneva and in the UAE trying to hammer out the details of this. And Dan Driscoll, I don't know if you remember back to Signalgate, he was the one that was kind of talked about as that he could replace Pete Hegseth if Pete had to go for sharing our confidential classified war plans on an open chat and with a journalist.

45:45So I kind of have eyes on that story. And Dan Driscoll is a very close ally of J.D. Vance's, which sharing his worldview is complicated for me. But this idea that maybe there's a bit of a subversive thing happening with Hegseth, I think is an interesting facet. Are you optimistic? Are you going to be glass half full on the potential peace plan? I see this as no win because I understand that people want to end a war, but the terms I've seen are just such non-starters. It's basically, all right, you've won. It's how much land you take. And they have to demilitarize in Ukraine and give up any aspirations to be part of NATO.

46:24So, and my sense is it's unlikely the deal goes through because I think this is only emboldens Putin to think we're winning the war and that coming to the table with this lopsided deal towards us only means that the Ukrainians are losing support in the West. The fact they would even entertain this deal and dismiss it out of hand. I think it only emboldens him. And, you know, the best way to end a war is to win it. And wars end when one of two things happen. One is a victor or there's a stalemate. And neither of those is happening right now because what is essentially happening is the Russians, and we don't like to admit this, are making slow grinding progress every day.

47:04It's slow. It's coming at a huge price or taking a huge toll on them. But they are gaining land slowly but surely. And so what is their incentive to stop unless we were to say we're going to double the support to Ukraine. We're going to give them long-range flamingo and tomahawk missiles. and we are going to wipe out your energy infrastructure. And you're basically going to have an economy that's going to collapse. And when an economy collapses, you know, get ready. There's going to be quite a few of you who fall out of windows. I think what's being proposed here is a bad piece and all it results in, in three, five, 10 years, Putin says, I know, I'd really like some of Poland.

47:44I think we need to take Finland back. We have a NATO member state with a 600 mile border. We've tested Article 5. It hasn't been triggered. When we fly drones to Poland and Finland, now we need to take Finland back. And so anytime you appease a murderous autocrat in Europe, it just does not end well. And I think Rubio believes that's what we should do, but he's much more interested in being president and getting Trump's endorsement than any sort of long-term geopolitical strategy or maintaining what I thought were his principles or the principles of the GOP. So regardless of what happens here, I think we've already lost.

48:21I think this is a huge defeat for the West. It's okay, give them everything they want. Throw a couple of bones at Ukraine to pretend they got something. And this will only result in more death and disability. And, you know, we're saying to a bully, okay, fine, you win, you win. And we're essentially, in some ways giving a green light, I think, to Xi to invade Taiwan by saying that the West can be worn down by an invading army if it starts to cost a lot of money and we aren't even willing to put a boot on the ground. So I'm a bit of a war hawk on this. I think we should massively double down and start going after their energy infrastructure and bring them to the negotiations table from a position of strength.

49:09Yeah. I think it also sends a signal about the negotiating teams because, you know, you were more reticent about the quote unquote peace deal that came out of the Middle East that Jerry Kushner and Steve Whitcoff negotiated. I was saying it's definitely a hostage deal and we should be thankful that all the living hostages have been returned. I think there are still three bodies that need to come back. But whether this turns into a peace deal remains to be seen. And so far, it's not looking particularly peaceful. So if you have a guy like Steve Whitcoff, who, frankly, one of these regions would be more than enough of a job, let alone he's supposed to be the dealmaster for every conflict that we have across the globe.

49:54I think these other nations, especially our adversaries, are aware of the fact that we are too tired and understaffed to be doing this properly. And Whitcoff, saying in an interview that he thinks Putin's not a bad guy and that he was telling him the truth, just shows you know, how outmaneuvered he already has been and not up to the job. Because even if you just read on Wikipedia what a KGB agent is like, you would know that Vladimir Putin has not been up front with you about literally anything. That's been said. All right. With that, we'll take another break.

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51:55Or even this tea time you. So did you hear about Dave? Or even tea time, tea time, tea time you. Mmm. So update on Dave. It's up to you. We'll take the laundry. Rinse. It's time to be great. Welcome back. Before we go, as the holiday travel rush kicks off and with Thanksgiving shaping up to be the busiest in 15 years, the Department of Transportation is trying something unexpected. AAA says 73 million Americans will travel and 6 million will fly. And the Department of Transportation has decided that it's now the time to launch a new civility campaign called The Golden Age of Travel Starts With You.

52:35basically asking Americans to dress nice or be polite, help fellow passengers, and say please and thank you. It comes after a 400 % spike in unruly passenger incidents since 2019, everything from drunk outbursts to full-on fights. But critics say the campaign ignores the bigger issues. Shrinking seats, chronic delays, and fly rides programs, and the Department of Transportation quietly scrapped. Let's watch a bit from the video they put out. Things aren't what they used to be. Some would call it the golden age of travel. let's bring civility and manners back. Ask yourself, are you helping a pregnant woman put her bag in the overhead bin?

53:12Are you dressing with respect? Are you keeping control of your children? Are you saying thank you to your flight attendants and your pilots? Are you saying please and thank you in general? The golden age of travel begins with you.

53:32I'm not completely mad at this. Because I did grow up in an environment where we got dressed up to go and fly and thought that being a flight attendant was an important and real career. And, you know, it was a time of handing out wings to little kids and that that felt so exciting and that you paid attention when the seatbelt sign came on and all of these things. But you can only make that add when air travel is working like that's the cherry on top. Right. But if the entire Sunday is actually just shit sludge, you cannot be leaning into civility. You should be leaning into efficiency and fairness.

54:13I mean, the rollbacks of the Biden era policies on compensating passengers is one of the most blatant forms of crony capitalism or corruption, whatever you want to call it, that we've seen. And I would like to see more people wearing nice outfits at the airport. I would like to see less fights, but there is a reason that this is happening. Part of it is that everyone is on their phone and like teetering on the edge of just having an explosion all the time. But the real point is we don't have air traffic controllers. Nothing works properly. And this just falls flat or like a big fucking joke. Do you wear Cuccinelli to the airport, too?

54:54Well, you don't even go to the airport. You fly by yourself with your dog. I don't know how to say this without, I do fly commercial occasionally. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know. Poor me, right? It's rough out there for us who wear Nike sweatshirts. Yeah, but just 10 years ago, I was flying coach, like most people, running my own business and was trying to set a good example. God, I hated that. Glad we moved on. Well, but it's gotten near unbearable for everybody. The average seat pitch, the distance between the back of one seat and the back of the next has dropped from 35 inches in 2011 to 31 inches.

55:29I mean you go on you occasionally get on I flew easy jet or one of these or flew spirit I've flown some of these just a couple years ago yeah I remember thinking like you you feel like cattle you're so crowded you're in a tube and there's turbulence you know it feels like you're about to have a mental health episode and my tiktok algorithm has figured out that I want to watch people who refuse to get out of their cars after being pulled over by a cop who eventually shatters the window and pulls them out. A Sora AI-generated caricature of someone, a chiropractor, basically busting a person in half, or some unruly passenger who's clearly, I think, having a mental health episode, start screaming profanities at people and taking swings at people and spitting at them, and then you see the air marshal, whoever it is, come in and haul them off the plane.

56:22I do hearken back. My dad, when he would come visit me, would show up in a suit and a tie. He would put on, you know, born in the Depression, he'd put on a suit and a tie and a hat, like, to travel. That's how he saw it. And I do think we all have a role. I think it's a good message in trying to be especially civil when you're in a crowded space like that, when things can escalate so quickly. but a lot of it to your point is if you're going to have an absence of regulation where you don't make the investments in infrastructure or you don't force companies to maintain a certain level of service such that you can transfer more and more money from consumers to shareholders it kind of goes back to the same thing there needs to be a certain level a minimum standard that will cost shareholders money but create better service and a lack of like just terrible unbearable situations These companies, as long as they're allowed to and can develop monopoly power around certain routes, which they're able to do.

57:19Some airlines in Europe started charging you to use the bathroom. And if you let them do that, they'll do it. And, yeah, they put non-economic costs on the flight attendants who are the front lines of having to constantly apologize to everybody. But we're putting consumers in what feel like near inhuman environments. Airlines have been printing money lately. We're not forcing them to have certain minimum standards. and have consumer rights that if your flight is delayed eight or 12 hours because you decided not to, you know, because you're not maintaining a certain level of maintenance or whatever it might be, if you can't figure out a way not to have these types of delays, you have to compensate the passengers for their time.

58:00Fairly basic regulation. The friendly skies will get less and less friendly. You know, people are just really struggling. People are just, it's like, Jesus Christ, I'm working so fucking hard. I finally got off work. I barely have the money for this flight. I'm trying to get home maybe to see my parents who are sick. And I have to sit in a middle seat. I have no room. You know, maybe I forgot to take my medication this morning, and I just lose my shit. And I hate having phones everywhere because, granted, while it's fun to see a Karen be doxxed when she makes these racist, stupid statements in a grocery store, I do feel like a lot of this is just mental health episodes on parade for our own entertainment.

58:46Also, we've talked about this before, but in America, the level of care with which people who work at airports, especially for the airlines, treat folks that are traveling with kids or with disabilities pales in comparison to Europe by like a kajillion fold. Like flying around Europe with children is a pleasure. Like, everybody understands that this is more complicated. They, you know, really want to make sure that you're all sitting together, which also saves other people from having to sit with your little people or with you and a little person when your other little person is on the other side.

59:23Anyway, we don't do a lot of things that other countries have shown us can work to make this experience better. And it feels, again, like I don't want to say that Secretary Duffy inherited a perfect situation at all. That's clearly not the case. We knew about some of these problems during the Biden administration and even before, but it doesn't feel like they're taking any sort of decisive action to address the problems. And you're totally right. The mental health breakdowns that go on there, where a vacation is not even a vacation and people desperately do need a break from their lives. Also, airports are like highway robbery.

1:00:05They are so expensive. I don't know how people do it, frankly. Like, you're going to buy a$10 bottle of water and it's not going to make you feel better if you're wearing a nice outfit. Yeah, I just I'm occasionally get anxious on planes and I just think it's hilarious when the captain says, we know you have a choice in airlines. I'm like, most of these people had no choice and had to sell a kidney to take this flight. Or I feel like turbulence is sort of God's way of saying, you weren't anxious enough, let me help you. And when I flew back, what was it? American Airlines from LA to London. And for the first two hours, it was just a ton of turbulence.

1:00:42And it was so, I mean, we're not supposed to be up there as the bottom line and our instincts haven't caught up to the notion that it's actually the safest form of air travel. But if you wanted, Again, if you wanted big structural solutions and big ideas, I think a candidate could run on any one of these ideas. We are the wealthiest nation in the world. Across the eastern and western seaboards, we are going to have the most efficient, advanced, high-speed rail in the world. You want to talk about it. I can get on. I take the Eurostar from St. Pancras to Garde Nord in Paris. It's two and a half hours.

1:01:21your stress and cortisol levels are a fraction you get on a train and it's just like you just like exhale it's nice it's easy through the countryside your instincts aren't freaking out going no you're not supposed you know we're we we have run really fast before so trains just feel like we're running a little too fast but it's not like no you're not supposed to skirt along the surface of the atmosphere at seven tenths the speed of sound you're going to die soon that's what your instincts are telling you. We need a massive investment in infrastructure. The Europeans for their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory economically over and over, they get trains right.

1:01:59They're like, okay, how come I can't get to DC in two hours on a nice train? How come I can't get to, I mean, there's the bright line in Florida, but it just strikes It makes me that that's one way we would substantially decrease the pressure on the transportation infrastructure, signal innovation, make people's lives nicer. Big, bold ideas, not some guy telling people to act more civil on airline. We'll see. I hope it works. I hope it works. I sat next to Barbara Eden on a flight. My first job at Morgan Stanley, I sat next to I Dream of Jeannie. and I was supposed to sit next to Gisele Bundchen and a family asked me if they could trade seats with me and then I was in like 3A and then Gisele came and sat down in 3B and I wanted to kill myself for giving up my seat.

1:02:53I could have been Mr. Bundchen. I mean, maybe. Do you have any great flight stories? Great flight stories? Not really. Look it back to me. Okay. I have another really good one. Do you remember? So in 1987. No, I don't remember. I was three. I know. Thank you. Thank you. I know you're very young. I'm very old. No, but. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. All right. So I was my first like recruiting tour, went to Stanford to recruit students to be in the analyst program at Morgan Stanley. Went with my friend, Don Larson. And we're giving the speech about Morgan Stanley. Someone walks in and says, it's Don here.

1:03:34And Don's father had had a hard episode. Oh, no. Because we, on the way to the airport, I am terrible with directions. And we didn't have GPS back then or Waymo. And we got off on Sepulveda, coming from downtown L.A., and I banged a right. And Don followed me in his convertible rabbit. Should have known. That was a poor taste. That said a lot of negative things about Don. But anyways, convertible rabbit. And he finally caught up to me and said, you're going the wrong way. turned around, bombed LAX, and we walked up and the plane was pulling away. And so the plane pulled away, missed the flight.

1:04:09No problem. LA San Francisco, a ton of flights, went an hour later. So fast forward, Don's father's had a heart incident. It ends up that the flight we miss, do you remember the flight where a disgruntled employee shot the pilots and the plane went down over central California? No, but I feel like I should. No, but I know things that happened when I was young or didn't exist yet. This was a seminal incident in aviation because from that point forward, employees had to go through metal detectors. Up until that point, employees just showed their identification. They didn't have to go through metal detectors.

1:04:42And this disgruntled employee got on this flight, went to the pilots, shot the pilots, plane goes down, everyone on board dead. Pacific Southwest Airlines flight 1771. There you go. I remember it like it was yesterday. We were supposed to be, Dawn and I were on that flight and we missed it. So now when I get lost, I'm like, no problem. Anyways, the story gets weirder. I thought, does anyone I know think I'm on this flight? I'm like, no. And then, of course, my friend, David Frey, who I'm staying with, calls my mom and tells her I was on the flight. Oh, great. And so a few hours later, I have to call my mom and my mom has friends over mourning my death.

1:05:22And I call and my mom answers and she says, hold on. And she made me speak to a friend because she thought she was hallucinating. and anyways I do not mind taking a wrong turn and occasionally missing a plane because I Don Larson knows me as life because of my inability to follow or understand directions anyways that's my airline story has nothing to do with the subject at hand no but I'm sure you were addressed nicely all right before we go we're working on an end of year mailbag episode to answer some of your burning questions on all things politics send us a 15 second voice recording to Raging Moderates at PropsYouMedia.com, and we might include yours.

1:06:01That's all for this episode. Thank you for listening to Raging Moderates. Have a good week, Jess, and don't... Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, likewise. I am thankful for you and your fantastic contribution here and your friendship and your talent and your resilience and giving them hell on the five. Oh, Scott. All right. And also, don't be afraid to occasionally take the wrong turn. You just never know what good or bad things you might avoid. Could save your life. That's right.

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