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26:17And just before we bust a break, I just want to get your views and provide some comments on the recent ICE raid of a plant, a Hyundai plant. I think a lot of people are down with cracking down on illegal immigration. And also, look, this is largely performative in the sense that we were deporting more people during certain periods during Obama and Biden by cooperating with local governments and not doing it in such a cruel, visible, like faux little dick macho way. But approximately 450 to 475 workers were detained at a Savannah, Georgia Hyundai plant. Most of them were South Korean nationals, and many of them were here on a B-1 business visa or the visa waiver ESTA program, neither of which authorized manual labor.

27:06So our immigration process and visa process is best described as a total shit show. And this kind of demonstrates how irrational and self-damaging our immigration policy as it relates to our economic policy. And that is South Korea is one of our strongest allies. And it has already prompted travel freezes and reviewed operations by affected firms, including Hyundai, LG and Samsung, who are all reconsidering future U.S. plans. And Trump has made a signature of his presidency to bring back manufacturing and to get domestic and foreign firms to commit to making investments. South Korea has good relations traditionally with the U.S., one of our strongest allies.

27:55We fought a war together side by side. We backed their government. And we have convinced them to build really big factories and employ a lot of people. And now they are reconsidering that because we went in to play G.I. Joe, you know, minus the dignity, minus the humanity, minus the patriotism, and have effectively sent a chill down all South Korean firms around investing in the U.S. It's just as if, again, going back to Chachupi-T, it's as if they keep typing in, what are the best ways, how do we accomplish the biggest own goals in geopolitical and economic history? It's almost like I admire the elegance.

28:37It's like one ice raid is likely going to reduce tens, potentially hundreds of billions of CapEx from South Korean firms into the United States. Nobody wants to get nobody wants to leave their home, be an engineer, go work at a plant and then get rounded up. You know, when those people get out of jail, which are probably already out of jail, they go back to fucking Seoul and they think, you know what? we're going to open a plant in the suburb of Rio, or we're going to open a plant in Vietnam, or we're going to open a plant, you know, who knows, maybe we'll even do something jointly with China because all of a sudden maybe we should start talking to them again.

29:18This is just, it's not only performative, we've seen that and cruel, but let me appeal to the Republican side. this will absolutely reduce jobs of domestic workers. That Hyundai plant hires and creates a lot of jobs for high paying jobs for domestic workers. We're saying fuck you to a great ally. South Korea is an amazing success story. They've built incredible products. You know, the only rival to the iPhone is a product made in South Korea. South Korean firms are wonderful to work with. They take their relationship with America very seriously. They are very measured. They make big investments.

29:57They're very methodical. They have great companies. And we've basically said, no, we want to humiliate your workers and send a chill. How many Korean companies right now are canceling plans for joint ventures and capital expenditure around plants in the U.S. just in the last 48 hours? Not even just that. They're talking about kicking American English teachers out of South Korea. There you go. And why wouldn't you? We're not a friend. And on top of it, that that we came with our camera crews because we're the most deeply unserious nation on the planet. It's like Pixar. It didn't happen so that we could line up 350, 400 South Korean engineers and people with college degrees who a lot of them, it sounds like had a legal right to be here, at least based on what their immigration attorneys have been saying as they've been doing interviews about it, to shackle them.

30:55These guys wearing polo shirts. I'm sorry, that is not what anyone imagined when Trump said, I'm going to get the bad hombres out of the country. And I don't think it's just South Korea. If you were any civilized and developed nation that was thinking about acquiescing to Trump's demands for more American investment. We should note that this predates Trump coming back into office. I mean, this was the crown jewel of Brian Kemp's economic strategy for how he was rejuvenating Georgia. And he must be sitting there thinking like, what the fuck? Holy shit. I didn't even have someone good that I was going to have to run for Senate.

31:36And now I have to explain to people why billions of dollars of investment is just going away so that Stephen Miller can get off again. I thought it was one of those stories that couldn't be real. Let's talk about just how bad those hombres are. As of late June, there are over 59 ,000 immigrants held in ICE custody, which is, by the way, is 140 percent of detention capacity. So they're not being held in good conditions. Over 70 percent of them have no criminal record, no criminal record. So do you really need to incarcerate people with no criminal record guilty of? And they would say, well, they're guilty of a crime.

32:12To be clear, folks, let's remind you, immigration is the secret sauce of America. A lot of people agree with. What a lot of people don't acknowledge is the most profitable part of immigration is illegal immigration because it's a flexible workforce that we have known comes in to pick our crops, take care of our grandparents, provide us services. And then when the work goes away, they melt back to their home countries. They pay Social Security taxes, consumption taxes, but they actually tax themselves and call on our resources. I would argue it is the most profitable, flexible workforce in history.

32:44Has it gone too far? Does it mean we should let it continue? No. But to all of a sudden show up and act like these people are criminals. We knew this was going on. And if you really wanted to be serious about it, if you really wanted to solve the problem, you'd start finding those nice business owners that employ these people. And before you know it, they would do certain biometric checks and boom, the demand would dry up and they would melt back to their home countries. They have detained 20 ,000 immigrants a month. That's a 3x increase from 2024. 93 % never convicted of a violent crime. It reminds me a little bit of when we brought all these interpreters back from Afghanistan who had helped us hunt down bad guys.

33:27And then lately, there's been talk of sending them back to Afghanistan, which is essentially a death sentence. These people go back, they're dead. And this feels like the same sort of disingenuous, wink, wink, come here, do our work, do our dirty work that domestic workers don't, and then let's demonize you. Anyways, Jess, let's take a quick break. Stay with us.

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35:26Welcome back. Gen Z's gender divide is sharper than ever, and it's not just about politics. The new NBC poll shows young men and women split on Trump on work, even on what it means to live a successful life. Nearly half of Gen Z men approve of Trump compared to just a quarter of women. Men are also far less likely to say they feel anxious about the future. And when asked what success looks like, I thought this was fascinating. Trump backing men put marriage and kids at the top, while Harris backing women ranked children near the very bottom, instead prioritizing emotional stability and meaningful work.

36:00This blew my mind. Jess, what do you think it means when Gen Z men and women are chasing completely different visions of family and success? Well, I think it means that we're not going to be marrying people who vote differently than us, which is the fundamental. As if we needed another reason for young people not to hook up. Exactly. Did you talk politics when you were dating in your 20s? I can't remember even. I have no idea what the politics were of anyone I dated when I was young. I lived abroad. I was in London. So we talked about it a little bit, but it was mostly like, hey, your guy made us go into Iraq and Afghanistan.

36:37and, you know, everyone was kind of center left. I mean, I was doing a politics PhD, so I have a bit of like a stamp on me that I'm interested in it, but it certainly wasn't definitional in this way. And I had a very serious boyfriend who was like a Romney Republican, a John McCain Republican, who voted for Hillary in 2016 because Trump was just too much, but fundamentally had, you know, different ideas about the size of government and taxes. And we got on just fine for three plus years. Right. It didn't used to be this much of a way to define who you are. And that is led in a lot of ways by liberals.

37:18You know, we have less of a tolerance for people who disagree with us than conservatives do. And I certainly see that in my environment at work. And I know that's particularly true with young people. But I was and maybe I'm putting too much of my, you know, pollster or researcher hat on. I didn't love the way the question was phrased because they said, what do you consider important to a successful life? And that's kind of unclear as to what do you personally consider to be important or what do you think is most important generally? and I understand as a young woman setting out in life, so a woman in her 20s that's planning, I can see why you wouldn't be like, I'm just trying to get my MRS and bang out a few babies, right?

38:02Because you know that you're going to be set back in your career or there are going to be a lot more challenges, at least. I personally feel that I've thrived in this era of having children, but it's harder, right? And I have a very specific kind of career. And so this idea of young women basically saying, I've got a lot that I want to accomplish before I'm even thinking about kids made sense to me. And that men, especially Trump voting young men that are leaning into the kind of Charlie Kirk mold of it all are going to be like, kids, that's what's most important to me. And it is important. And we, you know, we have a population problem and liberals are the ones that are having less babies.

38:42But I saw in the census data, which I found fascinating, that it's not college educated women that are having less kids. It's liberal women without a college degree. Hmm. So.

39:21mathing, I'm out. And it sort of creeped down to the younger generations where now I think a lot of women are saying, I have reshaped my life around my relationships, different types of relationships, my work, and I don't necessarily need to have a romantic relationship to feel like that I'm a success. And that I'm happy. And that I'm happy. And one of the biggest myths that the data should dispel is the following. There's this cartoon of a woman in her 30s who hasn't found love and doesn't have a husband, and she has failed at life. And all of the data, including this one, in my opinion, in terms of the aspirations of young men and young women, show the following, and this is true.

40:07Men need relationships and get more from them, romantic relationships than women. On average, men live four to seven years longer when they're married, women two to four years longer. Widows are happier after their husband dies, and when they were married, widowers are less happy. Men are much less likely. They have better health outcomes, much more likely the household to build wealth. And essentially, only one in three men is in a relationship under the age of 30, whereas two in three women are. And you think, well, that's mathematically impossible. It's not because women are dating older because they want more economically and emotionally viable men.

40:46And one of the things that just should be dispelled is that men get more from romantic relationships because they need guardrails more, they need support more than women. 80 % of men say that their best friend is their wife, where it's only one in three women say their best friend is their husband. But what we have is a generation of young men who are being told they have no value, are having a difficult time finding venues to demonstrate excellence. Guys fall in lust. Women fall slowly, quote unquote, in sort of love. Because the bottom line is, I don't want to say our standards are lower, but men find a variety of different things.

41:29When men are asked if you could have a woman with 80 % of everything you want, three quarters say, yeah, I'm in. When you present a woman with the concept of a man of 80 % of everything she wants, Three quarters say that's not enough because the basis of evolution is women have a much finer filter. And when there's fewer venues, whether it's work, whether it's school, whether it's church, for people specifically meant to demonstrate excellence to women, you end up with a lot of lonely young men who blame women. and also a lot of women, not as nearly as many, only half as many who don't have relationships, but they pour that energy into more productive means.

42:03They don't start blaming men. They don't start blaming immigrants. They work on themselves. They pour that energy back into relationships and their friend network and back into their professional lives. But nearly half of men ages 18 to 29 feel they face discrimination. And I think some of that is the manosphere telling them that they should be aggrieved. I think some of it is bullshit. I still think young men have a tremendous amount of opportunity in our society or as much as any society. But what is really sad is a lot of them, when I coach young men, it ultimately ends up in a conversation of, I'd really like to have a girlfriend.

42:39And I hear their stories. And I hear, granted, I know women have a lot of horrific dating stories. They just sound like shocking. The stories you hear from these young men are just really sad. They're just trying so hard. They're trying to better themselves. And they really have a difficult time finding anyone who will even give them a shot. And I think that just as the, I apologize, I'm ranting on here, but the digitization of any category creates a consolidation and a winner take most. 50 % of all e-commerce goes to one player. Two-thirds of all social media globally goes to one player meta.

43:1493 % of search goes to one player. When you digitize something, it all aggregates and becomes a winner take all. And the same thing has happened in dating. And that is the top 10 percent of men are just cleaning up and the bottom 90 percent are just kind of shut out of the mating market. And I think it's creating a lot of unnecessary anger and real fissure. And I still, I like the idea, going back to messaging, of Democrats talking about certain key themes and messages. And one of the key messages I'm trying to convince people to run on is the restoration or rejuvenation or the power of alliances.

43:47Alliances between moderates, alliances between great nations, democracies, alliances between us and Ukraine, us and Israel, the power of alliances. But I think the greatest alliance in history is the alliance between men and women. And I have seven and a half billion points of proof for that. But there's just less mixing now, less interacting, less coupling, less mating, less connecting. And especially when men don't have the guardrails. I think about if I hadn't been forced to go into work at Morgan Stanley, put on a tie and commute from my mom's house to downtown 515 Figueroa and have a tie on.

44:23I think I would have smoked a lot more pot if I hadn't had a boss who pulled me into a conference room like every other day and said, don't say that. If I hadn't had a girlfriend who said, stop drinking so much or I'm going to break up with you or be kinder. And these men, so many men don't have the benefit of these guardrails now because everything is a reason not to date that guy or not give him a second coffee. and I found this just really discouraging that these men do still value family and children and women have basically said, you know what? I don't need it. I don't need it. Your thoughts?

45:01There was a lot in there. About the dating scene, I totally understand that. You know, this like nice guys finish last and having your checklist of what you're looking for, especially once you're in your 30s as a woman and you have accumulated some wealth. You've moved up the ladder, right? You're middle management or above now. It's not that crazy frenetic energy of everyone's 25 and has, you know, three or four roommates and one bathroom and you have an apartment that you're renting on your own. Or maybe if you live somewhere where it's more affordable, you even own your own apartment and you're sitting there thinking, well, I got to have these 10 things.

45:44and the truth is is that life just doesn't work that way you know you have one or two core things that you need in someone but the overwhelming message that i hear from my friends who are in happy marriages as people in their upper 30s or low 40s is marry someone kind it's kind of all that it is i mean we are on such a deeply traumatic in a lot of ways journey through life that you need someone who is kind to you and then by extension to the things that matter to you in life, to your family, to your colleagues and whatever's going on in your professional life, especially to your children. And you can see that also in how fatherhood has changed.

46:31I mean, can you imagine all of these boomer dads? Like if my dad were alive and he saw how many diapers Brian changes, and he was an amazing dad i mean i have him on a pedestal so high i cannot reach it and he didn't get up in the middle of the night with us he went away i mean work made it so but would go away months at a clip and brian doesn't stay an extra night if he's on a work trip because he wants to make sure that he's back to do bedtime there's a complete revolution in what is going on in male parenting right now and fatherhood. That is for some men. Unfortunately, I think some men aren't keeping up.

47:16I think women have ascended faster on more levels than men. And again, going back to the notion, the gap is widening and a lot of women are just exiting. They are definitely that was what I wanted to get to. So for the ones who are signing up for fatherhood, the millennials and Gen Z's, they are much more hands on than I think older generations. For the women exiting, I'm afraid for a lot of them and what that's going to look like long term, especially for the ones who are then going on and having children on their own, which I think is fantastic. I was not strong enough. You know, I always wanted to have kids, but I thought if I don't find somebody, I'm not, I can't do this on my own, even with a huge support system.

47:57I think that that's something that's incredibly hard. But there is so much value in doing it with somebody. Oh, 100 percent. Right. If you can. And you brought up this idea of the way, you know, women talk about men. And I've been stunned by the spate of op eds in our top publications, right, in The New York Times and The Washington Post that are just essentially shitting on men and that it feels like open season that you can do that. And that doesn't mean we can't talk about issues within relationships or behaviors that men display that we don't particularly like. We all feel that way. And likewise, men have things about women that are annoying to them or that make their lives more difficult.

48:44But the New York Times, I don't think, would publish an op-ed written by a guy about how fucking annoying and frustrating his wife is. Right. Like, it just wouldn't be allowed. Yes, you have. We don't even realize how much of the public discourse is biased. First off, there's still a lot of misogyny out there. It gets really ugly online. And sort of the conversation ender is like, well, no one's taken away your bodily autonomy. That's sort of the mic drop. I get it. At the same time, there is such a by I was at a conference and we were talking about it was a really robust, respectful conversation.

49:24And I said, look, at some point we have to acknowledge that people born as male and people born as female have certain biological predispositions that give them certain behavioral characteristics more prone to people born as a male or as a female. And I said, look, what you probably have with leveling of the academic field and a prefrontal cortex that matures earlier, that's the executive gas on gas off function. You're going to have more women, it's already true, in law school, in a medical school. And also you could argue that because of what I feel are more feminine characteristics around nurturing, I said women will likely disproportionately populate our medical professions.

50:01They will likely make better doctors. They will likely make better lawyers. They will likely make better PhDs because they have an easier time adapting to the more rigorous standards of academia. Everyone in the audience is nodding their head. Light clap, nodding their head. Oh, I get you. You're right. Women will be better doctors. And I've also said I believe in general and in no way should this reduce the equality of opportunity. I think in general, I have found women are better managers. They can just read the room better and read people better. I then said, I think men on average are better entrepreneurs.

50:37I think that they are more risk aggressive. They are more willing to ignore the data around them and do something crazy and take a, not a reckless, but a bold risk with their own economic well-being and their own time and branch out and be ridiculously aggressive around calling new clients. Comments, I do not feel safe around this guy. I cannot believe you would invite him. So you can be wildly sexist as long as it's a bias towards women, especially at these conferences that are massively populated by media and people who are more progressive. That's fine. We buy into the notion that men or women are different as long as all those differences add up to women being the superior sex.

51:22and anything resembling like an honest conversation around the fact that, OK, there is a role for men. When Russian soldiers pour over the border in Ukraine, you want some of that big dick energy, that masculine energy is important in a home raising kids. The moment you say that, people's antenna goes up and it gets very hard to have a serious, thoughtful conversation. And I think young men are really paying the price. And this all comes back to one central theme, and that is young men are paying the price for the disproportionate, unearned, massive advantage that was crammed into white men of my generation.

52:00The amount of economic prosperity from 1945 to call it 2015 was greater than the rest of the world combined in the U.S. I acknowledge when I was in the 90s raising tens of millions of dollars to my startups, no women were raising money. Is that because women didn't want to be entrepreneurs? No non-whites were raising money. Is that because black people didn't want to start companies? No, it was because the entire VC community was not only white guys from Stanford and Harvard, but 80, 90 percent of the total capital allocated was from white dudes from Harvard and Stanford who felt more comfortable with people similar to themselves, so much so that people from other groups didn't even have the confidence to try sometimes.

52:40And I got so much disproportionate, unearned advantage. People finally have had a reckoning. So now, similar to the way I think a lot of students on campus go hunting for fake racists, people are holding young men accountable for my advantage. And where I'll finish this with some virtue signaling is men of my age have a responsibility to recognize some of that disproportionate advantage we had and not only try and pave a path for people who weren't as fortunate as us, but also especially to reach back into the young men who are paying the price for our advantage because nobody has empathy for them except for mothers.

53:15Mothers see what's going on. So it hardens me when I see men of my age. Men are just not stepping up in my generation. They're just not stepping up. And they're hoarding the wealth. And we've been talking about that with the Republican bill. 100 percent. You know, just shutting the door behind you or opening it a crack to let your kids and your grandkids through. And I'm not saying everyone has to take the giving pledge or something like that, But it's kind of harrowing to think that people are in massive positions of success and attainment, and they definitely were given a chance by somebody.

53:56Right. Like someone made a call for them. Someone opened a door. Someone gave them 15 minutes for a coffee. All these men, when I was right out of Berkeley, Howard Lester, Hamid Mogadam, Tully Friedman, Warren Hellman, Paul Stevens, all of these older men took an interest in me and gave me, Sandy Robertson, gave me unbelievable meetings, access, wanted to help me out because they saw a little bit of themselves in me as a younger man and knew kind of my background. And I can personally attest to the fact that raising a kid on your own as a single mother, I experience that, is not easy. I think it would be even harder now because of inflation and we've fallen out of love with the unremarkable.

54:37I think it's harder now for single mothers than it was when my mom was raising me. But, you know, men of my generation need to really stand up and help younger men who are paying a disproportionate price. And also, I would say that women in the media need to stop looking at younger men and saying, you don't have any problems. You are the problem. That is not helpful. No. And you don't even if you want to just make it, you know, in purely like winning and losing terms, you're pissed off. You lost the election. Well, here is a route to trying to rectify some of the problems that we had that turned off an entire generation of men from the Democratic Party.

55:20It's pretty simple. It's why Trump won. The good news, and I want to end on a good note, is that everyone from President Obama to Governors Newsom and more have highlighted this issue and said, OK, something is wrong in Mudville and it requires real attention. And even better news, have you heard this? The dating sites are literally collapsing. People have decided, young people have said, you know what? And you know what's taking off? Things like running clubs, dining clubs, book clubs. in person is back in vogue again. And I could not wish more ill will on publicly traded companies than these dating sites.

55:58I love hearing that Bumble is laying off its staff. I apologize, Bumble. I hope you all go on to do bigger and better things. And that Match is down 70 or 80%. I think online dating has been a disaster for both men and women, especially men. And everybody just ends up discouraged about the other sex. All dating advice from a guy who lost his virginity at 19. Okay, we're going to move on here. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us.

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58:24I do think we need to be raging about veterans, to be honest. The tax code. It's so frustrating to me. One thing that really makes me rage, that we are the only industrialized nation in the entire world without access to paid leave and affordable, accessible child care. infuriating. I mean, the Liberation Day tariffs, probably the greatest act of national self-sabotage that I've ever seen. The thing that makes me rage is this completely false narrative that the economy is stronger when a Republican president is in the White House. I'm still pissed about what's happening to USAID. Well, first of all, what makes me rage is traffic.

58:58You know, I just don't think we should be out there campaigning in swing states with Mark Cuban as our spokesperson. and I think that hurts us too. So a little bit of rage there. What makes me rage is the whole anti-empathy thing. It is deeply disheartening that we are living in a time of such overt misogyny and pushback on the rights that women have gained over the last, you know, 100 plus years. We are better than this. I think that is, above all else, what enrages me in terms of the moment that we find ourselves in. The mainstream media's job in the Trump era too often has not been to get the story, but to get the president.

59:37And I think it helped him win this time, frankly. I was having an Egg McMuffin, and I got so much grief. Warner, you should be eating healthier. You're being a role model. I think people should chill out about early morning eating habits after an all-nighter. I am just going to be an old man and complain about people on escalators. It's very simple, everybody. Move over. The issue that makes me absolutely rage would probably be train delays. That would be top of mind. Do you feel like the subway is much better since congestion pricing? Yeah, I think everything has been a little bit better since congestion pricing.

1:00:13I hate to admit it, but. I know, me too. Yeah. But we did publicly just now. Yeah, we did. We'll cut that part out, right? Yeah, totally. I mean, this is pre-Hitler shit. And yet I don't see a single Democrat with anything resembling a following of social media out there saying fuck all. So right now, as far as I can tell, we have one party and another party that thinks they're a cotillion training their kids to be polite. Wow. Well done, David. And Eric. Yeah, and Eric. Oh, God. Sorry, Eric. That's right. No, it's fine. Eric, you're a valued part of the team. It was cute, right? It was cute. I like the music.

1:00:52I was trying to get everyone's voice, though, and I probably only got 50 percent. I got Senator Warner. I got Secretary Clinton. Mallory McMorrow. I got I know her voice. Wesley Morris from The Times. Distinctive voices. It's actually kind of I mean, you can't change it, but it is a lesson in that you should have a voice that's distinctive. Hakeem Jeffries. I definitely got that one. You got to be memorable, even if people hate your voice or I'm just making myself feel better. since so many people hate my voice, but at least you know it's me. So just as we wrap up here, I want to pat ourselves on the back.

1:01:27We are getting about, I think an average of about 140 ,000 downloads, about 50 ,000 on YouTube, so call it 190 ,000 impressions. And the average CNN show gets 350. So while we're still well behind total viewers from CNN, CNN only averages 76 ,000 people in the core demo. That is people aged 18 to 54 are still buying shit. and we get 70%. So we get approximately 140 ,000. So we're losing on total viewership, but in terms of people that actually swing elections and buy expensive coffee and Range Rovers and Viore athleisure, we're kicking ass, Jess. I love it. Love working with you. Appreciate David and Eric's good work.

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1:02:44Yeah, I like them a lot. I like how They're just, God, they're just unafraid. They're kicking ass and taking ames. They've got the vibe right now that everybody wants. They're having a moment. Make sure to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. You don't miss an episode. Congrats on a year, everybody. And thanks to everybody for listening and making this show a nice place to work and success and rewarding and all that good stuff. All the positives. Thanks, everybody.