Raging Moderates: Trump’s Day One Agenda, Syria’s Civil War, and 2025 Predictions

27:26So I'm both excited about it, possibly, but I'm also disappointed that we don't take more of a victory lap for the West and also recognize that Israel, in my opinion, is essentially destabilizing the world for bad people and stabilizing the Middle East. In my view, over the medium and long term, the Middle East is going to be a much less dangerous place. It's one of those things that's so difficult to understand. Do you know what Bashar al-Assad, he and his wife were educated in the United Kingdom. Do you know what he was educated as? No. He's an ophthalmologist. I mean, it's such an interesting study in how people descend into hell, right?

28:09This guy was helping people see again. This guy was doing cataract surgery. And then, you know, fast forward 15, 20 years later, I don't even know if it was that long. He's gassing his own people. But his dad was always doing this. I mean, that That was a facade. I mean, I'm glad that some people can see better because of him. But Assad was raised in this. I mean, his family's been in power for 50 years. His wife and I from when I lived in London, there are a lot more people floating around there who know these people. And I heard similar. Oh, she's lovely. Give her a chance. No fucking thank you.

28:48You knew what you were marrying into at the very least. But it is, I don't know, I'm all for people getting great educations, of course. But I do hate that we share institutions with some of the world's most evil. That really does burn me. And this is one of those examples. There were debates constantly at LSE about this, about what money they would be taking from the Middle East and who was going to get to go. Remember that about bin Laden's kids that went to Harvard. You know, I don't think everyone should be punished for what their parents did. You know, you may not go into the family business, as it were, but Assad surely did.

29:36And on the Israel front, I totally agree with you. I think the issue about us taking a step back and having spending more time reflecting on how well the West is doing or that these are good moments for Western values. That is not computing for the average American citizen. And I think a lot of it is due to the cost of all of this, that they're being hit constantly with a barrage of information around, you know, you can't get X thing for your kids, but we're sending another billion dollars. for people you've never met in your life or that you feel completely disconnected to. And that became such a key plank of Trump's candidacy, where he was just like, America first means that your kid should get a good education and shouldn't have a classroom full of kids who are from another place and are here illegally, or that that money that we're sending abroad should be going to you first.

30:34And I understand for someone who is not living as much of a charmed life as we are, how that is persuasive. It also made me think back to the red line with Obama about Assad. And that as much joy as I was feeling, you know, that maybe this would be a real positive future for the people of Syria who have endured more than my mind can even process. I'm thinking, how did we let this continue? What we saw the videos of the mass graves. We knew he was gassing his own people. We had a red line. Huge stain on Obama's legacy. Yeah, totally. And it does seem like that has been one of the kind of lessons or big thread lines in the aftermath of the election.

31:23A lot of people think Putin went into Ukraine. I mean, these red lines, when they no longer became lines, a lot of people would argue that we were no longer. That he went to Crimea because we don't stand tall about this. Yeah. We gave him a green light. The thing that disappoints me, I think it's a politically advantageous and somewhat short-term minded expedient way of political opportunism. You've never met anyone in Ukraine. Do you really care? Your son's not doing well. Do you really care about territorial sovereignty in Ukraine when a 12-pack of bounty is$30? What frustrates me more, I respect the fact they play that political opportunism.

32:04What frustrates me is that we don't have a Democrat who can punch back and say, okay, that's the same argument that was made to FDR and it kept us out of the war too long in 39. That was the same argument that, you know, parliament made to Churchill about staying out of, you know, we don't, he could have cut a deal with Hitler and saved, you know, the Britain, at least in the short term. When fascists or murderous autocrats invade Europe, it usually doesn't end well when we just let them. And then to go straight to the numbers, and that is, I would have gone on offense. There are few investments that have shown a greater ROI than our and Europe's greater investment than the U.S.'s in the support of the Ukrainian army.

32:48We're talking about$60 to$80 billion. I think it's maybe over$100 now. But when you look at we spent$800 billion a year on our military and in exchange, if someone had come to us and said, you know what, I'm going to take out a third to almost half of Russia's kinetic power. I'm going to delegitimize their army. I'm going to take out a half a million troops. I'm going to make it less likely that China invades Taiwan because they see what a small, motivated, technically sophisticated defense force can do. Would you pay$80 billion for that? We would hit that bid all day long. This was, instead of apologizing and talking in broad sweeping strokes, they should have said, folks, if we had been offered the ability, Russia's our enemy.

33:40Russia wreaks havoc. Russia takes oil prices up purposefully. Russia creates instability, greater likelihood of war. For$80 billion, we're going to pull the mask off this clown. We're going to absolutely decimate the reputation, and we're going to take out a third to half of their kinetic— And Americans won't die for it. That's an important part. Great point. And not a single American boot on the ground? Yeah. I mean, training, but not die. For seven—our federal budget is$7 trillion, so I need about 1%. For 1 %— I need a penny. Yeah, I need a penny on the dollar to do this. This is the best investment America has made.

34:25But no one says it like that. And the way that the new junior senator from New York. Hey, now. There you go. And and her friend who shoots birds. No one conveys it in those terms because we are always into the soaring rhetoric. Right. About protecting democracy. And people like to hear we took out X amount of terrorists. Like that's what they want to hear in all of this. Or Vladimir Putin is flipping out because he has lost control of these 10 areas. Right. And this is what their economy looks like. And I don't want to say that there aren't any Democrats that communicate well about these things.

35:08I think especially the folks who are veterans that know exactly what this fight means are good about it, like the Jason Crows of the world. But you know who I think does a pretty decent job? Cocaine Mitch. I listened to Mitch McConnell talk about why we need to continue to send money to Ukraine and to Israel. And you can tell that that man deeply feels this. And I know that a lot of Republicans, especially the MAGA wing, detest him probably for for being this having this level of clarity. OK, let's take a quick break. Stay with us.

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37:28Supporters, including Brendan Boyle, say Trump's move to put Kash Patel in charge of the FBI shows this isn't just hypothetical. shift ironically is urging Biden not to do it, saying it would look defensive and unnecessary. Jess, pardons. What are your thoughts? Do you think that doing this preemptively is a smart move or a bad precedent? It could be both at the same time. But the problem is there's no crime. They haven't been charged with anything. I mean, there's even the debate within the Democratic Party. I don't know if you saw Bill Clinton was being interviewed and it came up about Hunter's pardon and how he had pardoned his half-brother, I think, or stepbrother.

38:08And he said, but he served time. There's a big difference between even just getting convicted and then getting a pardon, which is what had happened with Hunter, but let alone someone who hasn't even been convicted of anything. And it scares me for these people. I think the fact that Kash Patel has an enemies list in his book, Government Gangsters, and I'm sure has been adding to it on a nightly basis, like mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who else should I put in jail? But what are you going to do? Just say for crimes that they may have committed within the last five years and that they may commit in the next 20 years?

38:46I don't understand. I think Adam Schiff is completely correct. And then Jim Clyburn, in the same interview where he's talking about the pardons for the January 6th folks from the committee, not the January 6th rioters, said that Trump should pardon, that Biden should pardon Trump. And that it would, you know, clean the slate, I think was the term that he used. And I cannot think of anything that would enrage Democrats more than Biden pardoning Trump. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. And it used my understanding is it used to be, let's review some of the most outrageous miscarriages of justice, because if you have a big system that, you know, unfortunately gets it wrong as any time you routinize anything.

39:31This is an opportunity that the president has sole discretion over to just kind of, as you said, clean the slate. And I wonder who started this mess. And I go to was it Clinton when he pardoned one of his donors? I mean, pretty soon there's going to be an implicit number on pardons. The head of fundraising is going to say, well, I can't guarantee anything. I can't put this in email. But generally speaking, I think a donation of$10 million or more might get you a pardon for you and your family should something happen to you over the next four years. It just seems like we're becoming that nation.

40:06Well, there was, at least there was rumor reporting that those were conversations going on in the first Trump administration. And then I imagine with him not even thinking about running again, I mean, who knows what he's going to be thinking about. But let's just say that he knows that he has to leave after the next four years. There's sky's the limit on the kind of salacious pardon activity that will be going on. But Congressman Steve Cohen, who's from Tennessee, has proposed a constitutional amendment to limit presidential power, pardon power. And he's never once had a Republican cosigner. The people are out there, you know, pants on fire, like losing their minds about what Biden did.

40:46I mean, this is something that gets abused on both sides. And they should really look at limiting it. And I was listening to a really interesting conversation. Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance have a podcast and they were talking about it, the Hunter pardon. And they were on opposite sides of it. Preet was against it. Joyce Vance was for it, laying out their cases. But Preet Bharara said, which I thought, good on you. He said, if you are in the same position as Hunter, committed a similar crime, been convicted of it, getting sentenced, reach out to me and let me defend you. Like, come to me and I'm going to try to help you get a pardon.

41:23I shouldn't say defend you. They had already been defended. But he's like, I want to I will go to the president and say there are actually a whole host of people who are in the same position as your son that are deserving of pardons by this logic. And my guess is that they're not, if those people come forward, are not going to be given the same treatment. Again, we both think that we would have done the same thing for our children. But it's a very ugly road that we are traveling on. OK, let's move on, Jess. Let's move on. Let's talk about what's happening in the House. With Adam Gray's narrow win in California, we're looking at a razor thin, wafer thin margin of 217 to 215 Republican majority.

42:07If Democrats stick together, they'd only need one Republican to flip for a tie, which in the House means the vote fails. But even with that slim margin, Republicans still get the gavel, control committees and set the agenda. Meanwhile, Democrats are shaking things up, bumping older ranking members for younger, more telegenic folks. Jamie Raskin just ousted Jerry Nadler on judiciary, apparently with Pelosi support. On oversight, AOC has hinted she might go for Raskin's old spot. Jess, what do you make of these leadership shakeups? So first I want to say that the narrative, if you would like to revisit the initial conversations about the election where you said we got shellacked, might need a little bit of a revision.

42:54So in the end, well, I don't know. On the presidential. No, no, on the president. No, but the mood in totality was Democrats got their asses completely kicked and we ended up picking up two House seats and won very, very competitive races and held a lot of really important Senate seats. It could have been much worse. I mean, they were expecting that we were going to lose Nevada, that we're going to lose Wisconsin. Pennsylvania was a big pickup with McCormick. Anyway, it was not as bad as people make it out to be. In terms of the new chairs of the big committees, I think it's time for these things to happen.

43:30And folks, well, I don't like to, you know, I I'm a traditional gal. And I think that when people have served honorably and done these incredible things for the country, it's very hard for me to get to the point where I want to say, Nancy, you take a seat. Right. You shouldn't be doing this anymore. And I know she stepped back from being speaker, but she still holds her seat. And there are still a lot of young Democrats that want to run for Congress in San Francisco. Jim Clyburn is still there. Steny Hoyer is still there. And while they might not be as powerful as they were before, this is rarefied air that they're breathing, right?

44:11There are only, what is it, 435 of them? And I think the transition to a new generation is bigger than they are allowing to happen right now. That said, it's great to see Jamie Raskin doing this, though he's in his 60s. This is not a kid. The AOC thing, I think, will be fascinating if it is what happens. And she's clearly positioning herself for at least statewide election, maybe national, if she's going to run for president. But if you noticed at the DNC, and we were both very taken with her speech. Great speech. Great speech. One of the top ones from the convention, at least for me.

44:55Thank you. Thank you. She struck every note properly. She manages the economic populism, I think, better than anybody. She's clearly moderated on a lot of stuff. But in interviews since then, she talks about upstate New York all the time. She was giving an interview with someone. She mentioned Buffalo twice. I'm like, have you ever been to Buffalo? So clearly she's thinking about what does AOC look like beyond the Bronx and Queens, right? Like, what is AOC up north look like and wants to make sure that she is palatable to those people and getting a committee chair and getting to show off in those ways will be one route to potentially getting a Senate seat.

45:37So what do you think about the new the new gen? Next gen. I think churn is good. I think these people are way too old. We have the we have the oldest legislative body, I believe, in the world outside of Iran. I mean, it's just insane that our leadership's become a cross between the walking dead and the golden girls. This must be the most amazing job in the world because they never seem to want to leave unless it's feet first. I would love mandatory retirement age. I just think in the U.S., most corporations used to be 65. And because of gerrymandering and fundraising and Citizens United, these fossils keep getting reelected.

46:15And I love a crisis is a terrible thing to waste. The fact that we let a convicted felon, a convicted rapist, an insurrectionist regain the White House means they should clean house. How did we let this happen? This was the way I see it. And Charles Schumer versus Mitch McConnell. Senator McConnell has played Senator Schumer like a fucking fiddle. And he's older, but he's still got it in terms of his chess game. You show that you brought up Speaker Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi has some of that Machiavellian, you know, riz. She deserves it. By the way, she's going to make it nearly impossible for anyone to launch a campaign in her district.

47:00And then she's going to decide to coronate her daughter, who, by the way, was born when Castro declared martial law. That's how old Speaker Pelosi is. So she's not I'll be curious what happens in San Francisco That'll be an interesting race But we need a new set Of leadership and voices And for God's sakes Some of these people just need to get a gold Fucking watch and leave Or at least bring in I mean AOC's policies to me She's not My cup of tea from a policy standpoint She's a leader And she's telegenic And she represents youth And she can speak to what it's like to be a waitress and how important tips are and what it's like to work for a living and what it's like to be a young woman in America.

47:46I mean, a young, you know, non-white woman in America. She's fantastic. She's a fantastic representative for the Democratic Party. Raskin? Yeah, early 60s. Fine. That dude, he was so quick on his feet. I might be being unfair. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's amazing. He's fantastic. We need some gangsters to go in there and go toe to toe with these people. My favorite is, and I think we talked about a long time, you mentioned his name, the congressman from Florida. Oh, Moskowitz? Yeah, who moved to impeach Biden on that ridiculous panel because he realized none of them had any desire to do it or had any.

48:25that this panel was nothing but an attempt to feed Fox with more fodder for their evening programs and was wasting the time and taxpayers' money. Anyways, they're just better than us, quite frankly. The Democratic Party suffers from something I suffered from my entire professional life, and that is the ability to discern the difference between being right and being effective. And we'd rather be right and get our asses kicked than effective. And we absolutely need to take this crisis as an opportunity to have a dramatic shift in leadership. Anyways, that's my rant. Go ahead. It wasn't really even a rant.

49:09I liked it. And I just want to add to it, connecting it back to our conversation about what's going on in Syria. And it's been a lot of good days for the West, but we haven't been able to communicate it. I do think that hearing about the U.S. on the world stage from younger communicators, many of whom have served, will be a great benefit to the party and to the country in general. Like Elisa Slotkin, who just won the Michigan Senate seat, Mikey Sherrill, who's running for governor in New Jersey, Abigail Spanberger in Virginia. Having a younger, more relatable face to people telling you about why it is so important to support our troops, Western values, these fights against dictators and totalitarians, I think will be much more resonant with people than hearing about it from relics of the past.

50:04Senator Gallegos, Representative Moulton out of Massachusetts, Senator Duckworth. I think people in uniform deserve a hard look at their views. I mean, the most patriotic people in America are the ones anyone with kids knows loyalty and affection is a function of your investment. So your kids could end up being jerks. You're still irrationally passionate about their well-being because you have so much invested in them. And wouldn't you know it, the most loyal and patriotic Americans are the ones who've invested the most, specifically our veterans. And what's so upsetting is the least patriotic are the ones who've received the most but haven't invested a lot.

50:41I call them tech bros. But these are the people who are the most blessed and yet don't want to acknowledge their blessings and shitpost America. Like, anyways, I do hope that we have a new cast of leadership. All right, Jess, anything else on your mind before we go? Oh, wait, we're supposed to do predictions. Hold on, hold on. Producers are freaking out. That's on my mind because it's in our script. It's in our script. Okay, so before we wrap, this is our last regular episode of the year. So let's talk 2025 predictions. It's shaping up to be a big year with talk of tax cuts, entitlement reform, and immigration changes.

51:18Chess, what do you think is on the horizon? Well, politically speaking, I do want to talk about Taylor and Travis actually getting engaged or publicly engaged. But politics wise, I do think. At least on the small level, that Trump is going to make good on the main planks of his campaign. So I think that there will be some immigration crackdown, and I really hope that Blue City mayors and officials will play ball with ICE to turn over criminals so that we can avoid a deportation force the way that Tom Homan fantasizes about it. I saw Michelle Wu, who is the mayor of Boston, talking about an absolute blanket no to cooperating with ICE and protecting all Bostonians.

52:06Criminals are—illegal criminals are not Bostonians. You should play ball with them to do that. Mayor Adams has already said that he will. Then again, he also wants a pardon. But I'm sure we are going to have some level of immigration change. It'll be interesting to see what he does in terms of executive orders on the border, probably keeping in place a lot of what Biden has put in and over the last year and in cooperation with President Scheinbaum of Mexico. I agree with you. Small tariffs probably coming, not this this huge 100 percent, 60 percent that he's been talking about. Tax cuts, restoring the Trump tax cuts, probably through reconciliation.

52:43The kind of question marks for me are around what Doge can really do if you're not going to go after the Pentagon and Medicare and Social Security. They're talking about, quote, small entitlements, things like food stamps, which are not that small to a lot of people, but means testing as much stuff as possible. and then, you know, what could make it into a huge reconciliation bill? I was listening to Larry Kudlow, who was in the first Trump administration. Now he's a Fox business host, not going back to the administration, even though Trump wanted him. And he says that we are definitely going to have a big reconciliation bill that'll probably be next September.

53:19And I'm curious to see what's going in there. But I know that those tax cuts are a huge priority, especially when you look at who got him over the finish line, the billionaires that are smacking their lips at the thought of another round of it. So those are my predictions. I like it. Yeah. The Taylor and Travis part or the Doge part. But the thing they're going, I don't know if you heard this, the thing they're, first off, my understanding is they are looking at the military. So for, I didn't, I knew this, but I didn't know it. The military has five air forces. Do we need five air forces? They, my sense is they are in fact actually willing to address the military.

53:59The question I have around whenever I hear means testing, I'm like, okay, let's start with Social Security. And I realize that Social Security is technically an off-balance. We pay for it. Yeah, we pay for it. But it's still a tax on young people who are less wealthy than they've ever been relative to their seniors. And yet, I don't understand why there wouldn't be a tax on wealthy seniors that create Social Security for young people. But that's another talk show. But I wonder if we're ever going to have a serious conversation around means testing, Social Security or pushing the age back, given the fact that we're all living so goddamn long.

54:31But, you know, no one, my sense is they don't want to talk about that. Have you heard them talk about entitlements at all? Yeah, a lot. And they've said that, quote unquote, everything's on the table. Medicare, Social Security, not an entitlement right you've paid in. I take your point, obviously, about it being a tax on young people who are never going to get to enjoy it. But there would be if you want to see civil war, take away Medicare and Social Security. So I don't think that's happening. But I do think Medicare. Yeah. But I don't let me let me put this idea, frankly, which I mean, states are expanding even Republican states at a rapid pace and seeing incredible feedback from it.

55:08And we talked about it wasn't the program that your dad is using Medicaid program. Yes. The home health care. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. So they're going to go snap food benefits. It doesn't sound like anyone's talking about the child tax credit, which was one of the things they said they were going to do. It's just a lot of cuts versus helping people out to cut child poverty in half. So my idea has always been, or one of them around health care, is lower Medicaid eligibility by a year every year for the next 44 years until basically you do, you basically get away with the private. 100%. People love, people love Medicaid.

55:58And when you look at, I mean, we didn't talk about the UnitedHealthcare issue. Oh my God, yeah. Yeah, that's going to spawn a very already has a very interesting conversation around the fact that 40 percent of Americans have some sort of medical debt related to dental or traditional medical debt that impacts them and their family. This is I think that's been actually the tsunami we didn't see coming in terms of political discourse. Any thoughts? Yeah. Well, I would love to. We don't have time. But I was really disturbed to see the glorification of this murder and then people doxing other health care CEOs.

56:42And I understand we need tremendous reform. And some of these stories are absolutely harrowing. And I realize how lucky I am to have the health care problems that I do. Like, because I have some, right? I'm getting bills constantly for stuff. Giving birth is still expensive, even when you have platinum insurance and all of that. But obviously nothing compares to kids getting their chemo rejected and whatever people have to go through on a monthly basis with these people. But I thought it brought out some of the worst sides of the American populace looking at the reaction to that. What about you?

57:20Over on Pivot, Cara and I were both saying, you know, this is the wrong way to go about having a conversation. And we're horrified by it. And I got a lot of feedback. It sort of resonated. It said, spoken like someone who's overinsured or can afford health insurance. And some of the memes were just so puncturing, right? My empathy is outside my coverage. and the reality is which in this in no way justifies murder but which health insurance company has the greatest percentage of rejected claims you guessed it united health care a large it was like 20 more and the reality is when you look at how a lot of these insurance companies have increased earnings over the last five or ten years it's coming with algorithms and legal justification for identifying who is less likely to push back and rejecting claims.

58:15And it just goes, for me, it goes to the same place. I never used to think this, but I look at the UK system and the NHS has real issues mostly around underfunding right now, because they're not able to add a quarter of a trillion dollars in four minutes post an earnings call in video. But I like the idea of national or, you know, nationalized healthcare for the 80 or 90 % that want to use it and then having a private layer on top for people who want better service. I just, when you inject, the bottom line is this is just an industry where the profit motive begins to turn healthcare into sick care.

58:50And you're going to have the same thing in any capitalist environment that is not perfectly regulated as this is not. You have regulatory capture among corporations and the top 10 % who can afford it have the best healthcare in the world. and the bottom 90 are being squeezed economically. And the amount of despair and anxiety the U.S. healthcare system is causing people, at some point, we've got to realize that regulatory capture around our food supply system, tremendous stress and anxiety around, oh, the bad news is your wife has lung cancer. The worst news is you're going to go bankrupt. At what point does our healthcare system, you know, are they, at some point for the bottom 50%, if not the bottom 90%, at some point do we have to realize they're the problem.

59:35They literally are the problem. They're creating more anxiety, obesity, high blood pressure, deaths of despair. We're going to lose 45 ,000 people to suicide. I'd like to know how many of those people would cite financial strains, specifically medical debt, which is now the number one cause of bankruptcy in America. How much death by suicide does that cause? So my prediction, I have two predictions, one's a domestic one. I think the debate and the resurfacing of regulatory capture and the for-profit U.S. model around U.S. healthcare that has resulted in us paying$13 ,000 per individual versus$65 ,000 to$8 ,500 for other G7 countries with shorter life expectancy, more anxiety, and more obesity, it just isn't working.

1:00:21That's going to be the debate and the big discussion we weren't expecting at this moment. And then on a geopolitical level, I think we're going to see a revolution in Iran. I think Hamas had 70 % support of Palestinians. The ruling party in Iran does not have nearly that support. It has a minority of people who support it. Iran's actually a very young country. And there are a lot of people, I think, who are waiting to see weakness, which they have observed over the last couple weeks with the fall of Assad and all of the Iranian proxies having kind of their being kneecapped. I think it's going to give a lot of license and backbone.

1:01:00I bet there's a lot of entities in Iran right now who are thinking, is this our moment? I think we're going to see a revolution or a rebellion similar to what we've seen in Syria and Iran in 2025. Yeah, I didn't realize we were doing global ones, but I like that one. Oh, my God, I feel shamed. I feel shamed. No, I just, no, I like it. It's good. I think it's really good. I'm just curious with all of this, like where Israel fits in and whether a new Iranian regime, if such a thing happens, where they are in terms of relations with Israel, because, you know, the big accomplishment from the first Trump administration for me was the Abraham Accords.

1:01:43And I hope that we see further normalization of relations with Israel. I agree. The kingdom will go first, I think. Well, yeah. Jared's already on the WhatsApp about that. Oh, is that right? I don't know. I just think it's crazy that he made$2 billion off of Saudi and was WhatsAppping about it. Yeah, he raised$2 billion. It's not fair to say he's made it so far. We'll see. Why are you defending Jared Kushner all the time? He was my student. I don't care. You probably had a lot of students. He was my student. All right, fine. Jared and Ivanka, they're super nice. They're super nice. And his brother, the brother, Josh Kushner, is a total gangster.

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