Raging Moderates: Trump’s First Moves, Biden’s Final Words

27:43And I just didn't see that much coverage. I saw a lot more coverage of Zuckerberg staring at Lauren Sanchez's chest than I saw of all the potential scenarios that are very, very bad for the Trump coin. Yeah, I totally agree with you. And it was one of those stories, I guess on Friday, when it started trickling in that this was happening, and certainly over the weekend, where I thought, is this because we don't have people up to the job of reporting on this? Or is this a choice that our major news outlets are now making to not cover him objectively? And this is part of the war that's going on within The Washington Post, right?

28:26Why so many of their star reporters are leaving the paper because they don't feel like they'll be able to, at least to their mind, cover him objectively and accurately because Bezos doesn't want there to be a slant against him. and I thought a lot about the committee hearings when they bring in the tech CEOs and it's so clear that the senators are not up to the job of interrogating them about what's going on on their platforms and not just the kind of objective stuff that we all see like you're ruining the lives of 13 year old girls right there is a spike in harmful behavior their mental health is completely in shambles because you allow them to be served ads that make them feel terrible about themselves.

29:14You let predators into their inboxes and their DMs. I feel like it was only Snapchat really that took it seriously about how many kids were being groomed online on these panels. And I think that was the main motivating factor for Mark Zuckerberg to show up on Rogan and have this come to Jesus moment. I mean, he said it was about free speech and censorship around COVID. But I think it's really about, you know, the FTC coming after them and everyone knowing the dirty tricks that go on with these huge social media platforms. But we need good journalism on this more than ever, because the amount of people that I know who are very smart, informed people who didn't even know about the Trump coin, then the Melania coin.

29:57And I mean, this has permeated the entire Trump bubble. I saw there was a pastor who also spoke at the RNC, a big Trump guy, he launched a coin after he spoke yesterday at inauguration, right? So the grift is spread across anyone that is MAGA adjacent at this point. And it feels there's no way to stop it. I mean, there were very obvious ways to curry favor with the Trumps round one. You stayed at Trump International. And all of these foreign dignitaries did it, and they made sure their staff did. Remember, they had to stay at, you know, his golf courses where, you know, I'll just go to Scotland, check in, let's pay.

30:38Trump will see it on the ledger. But now you have what's going on, obviously, in the Bitcoin world or the cryptocurrency world, I should say. But then Eric Trump announced that they're opening a new hotel in Albania. Oh, and we're supposed to act like this is normal development, right, for the first family. Well, of course, they have these jobs. He's a businessman. That's all fine. That's all well and good. You know, we used to say like, oh, Ivanka Trump got the patents for her shoe line from China while Trump was in office. And Jared Kushner makes a couple billion dollars getting the Saudis to invest in his fund.

31:15And we're like, OK, well, these are things that we can spot. We think they're bad. Not enough of the American public. Right. Thought it was bad enough to keep them out of office again. But this will be running out in the public, but underneath the public eye at the same time. A lot of people don't understand what's going on. They also don't know that 80 % of Trump coin was reserved for the family and early investors. And all of that Will Vest during his first presidency. This wasn't like putting your peanut farm in a trust, right? That we could revisit this afterwards. And no one seems like they're up to the job of dealing with it.

31:54Well, when you have Nancy or Speaker Pelosi trading stocks, which you shouldn't be able to do with what is the world's most privileged insider information, it's the beginning of this corruption. And hotel rooms, booking hotel rooms, occurring favor around patents from China, that is all just checkers versus the chess of this. Those are all slingshots. This is an elephant gun. Even after a 30 percent decline in the price of the Trump coin, it has a market cap, as we record this, of seven and a half billion dollars. They own about 80 percent. So he basically made six billion dollars on paper. And as far as we know, he's already borrowed against it.

32:30He's already given it to Supreme Court justices to uphold a ban. And if you don't think Clarence Thomas would take 10 million dollars in Bitcoin, well, that's like saying he wouldn't go on a yacht or a cruise with someone who had issues before the court. I mean, this is—and we're sort of turning into, okay, like they say to, unfortunately, some law enforcement people in countries with big drug cartels, you know, either lead or gold. And that is he's demonstrated power to kind of run people out of politics or sick online trolls after them, death threats, people showing up at your house, which puts a chill on free speech in his critics.

33:07But at the same time, he now has the ability to not only become the wealthiest man himself through grift in other countries by selling foreign assets and foreign interests to the highest bidder. He can start doling out money to other people very covertly to get essentially what he wants. I mean, this is just so it's I got to admit, the thing I like most about it is it's just so brazen. They're not even they're not even trying to hide it. All right. Let's take one quick break. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

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35:33uh what do you just any thoughts on the ceasefire deal the timing of it and kind of if you will biden sort of last sort of actions on his way out yeah well i was excited there was a ceasefire deal i don't know how this didn't happen earlier since it's the same deal that's been on the table for what like eight months at this point and three phases to it we're in the first phase which is in the last uh 42 days the big headline that 33 hostages are going to be coming home we're not sure how many of them are alive or dead, but we did see three returned over the weekend. And those reunion videos were some of the most beautiful footage I've ever watched in my life.

36:15And I can't believe the strength of these young women who all, thank God, were, quote unquote, returned healthy. Now, what's going on in their minds and the lifetime of trauma that they will endure for this cannot be underestimated, but thrilled to see it. I really want those Bebas babies, those little redheaded babies better be coming home and they better be alive. I know everyone is on pins and needles waiting for that. It's interesting that the deal goes through the rebuilding of Gaza, which is in phase three. And Mike Huckabee, who's the new or will be the new ambassador to Israel, gave an interview talking about a two-state solution.

36:54And he said, I'm not really interested in that. And I think for Bibi, music to his ears, right? That's what he wants to hear. And who knows how far the implementation of the deal actually goes through. We may just get through phase one and two. And then Israel kind of says, like, actually, this isn't good for us. Or God knows, you know, Hamas starts again because watching the dozens of prisoners and terrorists, Palestinian released for these hostages that are coming back to Israel, And they're, you know, they're rejoining the fight. Within seconds, there are videos of them back with their terrorist cohort, you know, talking about how they will continue with the plan.

37:35So bracing for more in terms of impact of terrorism, but very thankful that there is a deal on the table and it has at least begun being implemented. What do you think about it? Yeah, so I think you've got to give credit where credit's due, and that is the upside to Trump's unpredictability. This just had so many echoes of when Reagan came into office and then Iran decided to release the American hostages. And that is, I do think there's just no getting around it, despite what are probably heroic, nonstop, very well-orchestrated, intelligent efforts of Secretary Blinken and the Biden administration.

38:13I just don't think it's any accident that on the eve of inauguration, this deal went through. And I do think that Trump's unpredictability and quite frankly, also his resolute backing of Israel played a role here. So I think, you know, who gets credit for this? I think the answer is yes. And I don't think it's a zero-sum game around this. It is time, or it feels like it's time for the war to come to something resembling an end. And I found that image of the transfer of the hostages and all of those folks in mass Hamas just looks as strong as ever. And just to see that kind of level of chaos, it just was a very chilling, frightening scene to me that we're nowhere near a resolution.

39:01I don't know what that says about the way the war was prosecuted, about the future of that region, but that was frightening to me. And I'm glad, I'm really glad those folks are home. I'm glad, I'm hoping that death and destruction lets up here. You know, Gaza has become ground zero, the greatest concentration of child empty teas. So, you know, it felt like this just needed to come to an end. And my kind of Yoda on this is a guy named Dan Sinor, who has a wonderful podcast called Call Me Back. And he's basically said this was a bad deal for Israel, but a deal they should take. And I thought that kind of summarized it perfectly.

39:40And again, people didn't talk much about that because it was sort of overridden. Well, I do want to say, and when I mentioned like why didn't this happen eight months ago, I understand why it didn't happen eight months ago. But I wonder. So the key player in this was Steve Whitcoff, who is the special envoy in charge of this. He's a real estate developer and investor. And he spoke at the Capital One Arena yesterday at the kind of rally section of Trump's inauguration. And it has been interesting to see bonus points for bipartisanship that Steve Whitcoff and Jake Sullivan, leaving the Biden administration, have talked about how this was a joint effort and how important the support has been on both sides of this.

40:26And I do want to plug Jake Sullivan gave a great interview with Ezra Klein that was much more satisfying than Antony Blinken's interview on The Daily, to say the least. But joint effort. I do wonder, like, why couldn't the Biden administration get a special envoy like Steve Witkoff if it wouldn't be Steve Witkoff himself? I know he's very close with Trump. I'm not saying that this would have happened necessarily eight months ago, but it feels like we probably could have made more progress than we thought if we had had the right kind of talk and the right kind of people at the table for this. easy for me to say sitting here, but very thankful for the outcome and the hostage families, not all of them, but a lot of them were on stage with Trump at the Capital One Arena.

41:16And it sends a very clear signal about which administration people think is on the side of Israel. And I heard that over and over again. So let's just briefly, I'm just going to brattle off these executive actions. And I got to be honest, I think that sends a very strong signal around leadership and governance to almost like practically on stage on the on the day on stage. He had a little desk and signed them. There you go. So ending birthrights. I'm going to go through all of them and any specific ones that stand out to you. Ending birthright citizenship, leaving the World Health Organization, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, revoking electric vehicle targets, reclassifying federal employees, making them easier to fire, declaring a national energy emergency, creating a policy recognizing only two genders, pausing the TikTok ban, rescinding 78 Biden-era executive actions, declaring a national border emergency, issuing pardons for January 6th defendants, withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement.

42:12I'll stop there. Anything especially stand out to you as especially good or bad? I don't really have a lot that feels good about this. It wasn't. I mean, we have to be conscious of the fact that a lot of the things like cutting red tape, et cetera, is going to come in the reconciliation bill, or that's how they want it to be. Speaker Johnson didn't even want him to rescind the electric vehicle mandate because he wanted to make sure that that could be part of the legislation that should hopefully get passed in April. But, you know, stuff that sticks out to me, obviously, ending birthright citizenship is a huge headline in that.

42:46I already mentioned that that means Usha Vance and Kamala Harris wouldn't be American citizens. It's supposed to take effect, I think, February 25th. There will be huge litigation around that. I think we have to separate the EOs into buckets of, you know, ones that are kind of expected, like taking down the Spanish language version of the White House site or taking off the women's reproductive health care government site as like we kind of knew this was coming. It's shitty and weird, like especially when you won record numbers of Latino support. Like, why do you need to get rid of the Spanish language Twitter account?

43:26right designating that America only has two genders male and female you know it was really interesting to see someone like Caitlyn Jenner cheering all of this on and wondering where she fits in all of this I think that a lot of the border security slash immigration EOs are a really big deal they canceled the customs and border patrol app which was the legal way that everyone was making appointments for their immigration hearings. Upwards of 30 ,000 people had their appointments just canceled yesterday. And these are people, by the way, that are waiting in Mexico for their appointments. They're not running wild on the streets of Chicago killing people.

44:07They are waiting in proverbial line, right, to have their appointment. I think that that's a very big deal. You removed all of these people or took away the power from all of these people in the Justice Department that oversaw our immigration laws. I think that's a big deal. were withdrawing for the World Health Organization. That was approved by Congress. He can't do that. And that links to our conversation that we're going to have about TikTok. You know, Congress passes laws. There's supposed to be separation of government, three equal branches. He obviously doesn't believe in that, which if you aspire to be Vladimir Putin, I totally get it.

44:38The pardoning of the January Sixers, J.D. Vance was on Fox News Sunday last weekend. And Shannon Bream asked him about this. And he said, well, it makes sense to pardon people who are nonviolent offenders. and having listened now to a lot of interviews with people who literally did just walk around the Capitol. I mean, you should have figured out that you shouldn't have been there. But that versus violent offenders who beat cops, pepper sprayed them, used metal poles against them, riot gear, et cetera, is crazy to me. And he pardoned everybody. And there was an interview, I think on MSNBC, with a guy who had turned in his father for being part of the January 6th riot.

45:23And he said he's scared that he's going to come and kill him now, that he's gotten out. I think there's going to be a huge spike in domestic violence as a result of this. Saw one woman who actually refused the pardon. She said, from her time, she had 60 days in jail. She said, I realized what I did wrong and also who's responsible for this in Donald Trump. And I don't want it. But that obviously sets an enormous precedent that there are no lines in the sand for people who attack law enforcement. Back the blue, out the door, obviously. That one stuck out. The guy who's the head of the Proud Boys getting out.

45:59And then I wanted to ask you about, well, tariffs. He says February 1st, he's going to start a 25 % tariff on Mexico and Canada. Get all your avocados while you can. And then removing the security clearances from all these former heads of the CIA, directors of national intelligence, anyone who signed that letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation, he's yanked security clearance. Yeah, some of it is more meaningful than others. The renaming stuff, some of it declaring the border a national emergency, the lifting the bans, this stuff around, the rhetoric around energy strikes me as especially just inaccurate.

46:43So all of this, this drill, baby, drill, it should be build, baby, build. We're the number one oil producer in the world. Biden, Biden okayed a bunch of drilling permits. That's just pure rhetoric. The naming stuff is bullshit. The, you know, I don't necessarily agree, but I can understand declaring the border a national emergency. I get that. Yeah, that's fine.

47:34credibility and most, you know, he creates a lot of unnecessary enemies when he does this stuff that seems just more coarse than effective. And I, you know, some of it revoking electric vehicle targets. Okay, fine. The thing I like is reclassifying federal employees, making them easier to fire. I don't see any reason why government employees shouldn't be subject to the same pressure and accountability as private sector employees. Now, having said that, This notion that government is out of control, you might find the government spending is out of control, but that's mostly around entitlements and the ballooning interest on our ballooning deficit.

48:14The number of people who work for the government has ranged over the last 50 years or 60 years between 14 and 17 percent. And it's actually towards the low end right now. So the majority of our employees who work for the government work for state and local. So the notion that all of a sudden the government state or the social welfare state has just ballooned, that's not really true. You could argue that government spending is ballooned, but it's not, you know, anyways, I like that. I think that I think that made sense. And that's declaring a national energy emergency. That's just bullshit. It's just not true.

48:47We just don't. Yeah. We don't need creating a policy recognizing only two genders. I'm sort of of the mind, like, give it to them so we can stop talking about this because it's been such an effective cudgel and weapon against Democrats. and that is, I don't, you know, okay, fine, have at it. Let them decide that there's only male and female. That's fine. I do think the Democrats served up the mother of all fastballs by deciding that, oh, a six foot four swimmer can show up in a unitard and win everything at the women's nationals or that a transgender woman can cross the finish line in a bike race five minutes early and everybody, all the Democrats gather around and say it's inspiring.

49:30So I'm always sort of like, give him that, let him move on, stop demonizing this group of people of which there are less than the number of people probably paying Padel in California. But some of this just felt, yeah, I don't agree with his economic policies. The tariffs thing, I actually think is being, I don't think tariffs are a good idea, but I think he's more pragmatic. And if you look at his first term, he was seen more. He proved to be more of a pragmatist than an ideologue. I think he's trying to he sees himself as a dealmaker here. And I think he's trying to send a shot across the bow of these nations saying you need to come to the table and give me something or I'll implement because he could have implemented those tariffs today.

50:09But he decided not to. So I do think he's being pragmatic around that. I mean, I hope so. And maybe it goes down to 10 percent. I just I think in his race to always do the most, like I'm going to sign the most executive orders of anyone on their first day in history. You have a lot of bullshit in there and it creates these outrage headlines. And then you can slip a Trump coin in. Right. Because we're all hair on fire. Yeah, 100%. Right, totally. But one thing that I cannot look over here about is the nearly 1 ,660 Afghans that had their resettlement in America canceled because he got rid of these refugee programs.

50:50These are people, a lot of them who have American service members, family, people who worked with us during the Afghan war. And they're up a creek. A lot of them are going to have retribution coming their way from the Taliban. And this is making one of Biden's biggest mistakes, right, the way that we left Afghanistan so much worse. And I don't understand it. If you made it a centerpiece of your campaign that Biden was a terrible foreign policy president, right, and that he 13 of our service members died and that we left thousands of people that helped us over the course of this long war and risked their lives for us.

51:33And now you're just like, F it. You got to stay. I hair on fire about that one for sure. Well said, Jess. OK, we have one more quick break. Stay with us.

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53:14Welcome back. Before we wrap, this weekend TikTok went dark for U.S. users after major app stores removed the platform following the enforcement of a 2024 law banning TikTok unless it divests from Chinese parent company ByteDance. Less than 24 hours later, TikTok flickered back to life, credited to President Trump. Trump said he wants to delay the enforcement of the ban for 75 days, aiming to negotiate a deal to protect national security while allowing TikTok to continue operating in the U.S. What are your thoughts on this, Jess? It seems really bad. And Congress passed a law. I mean, we are now in a new frontier in terms of the separation of powers or returning to the old frontier, but this time more emboldened by the fact that he has four years to try to do as much crazy stuff as possible.

54:06And obviously, this was something that started under him. I was struck, and I didn't know this, that all of the senators who received the classified material about the Chinese Communist Party's influence on TikTok voted to pass this law banning at 50 to zero. When do you get 50 to zero about something? And I don't know. I mean, Tom Cotton is raising hell about it. And there are going to be a lot of people who say, you know, well, you can't do this. But who's to stop him? And the CEO of TikTok at the inauguration, I think, is meaningful. You know, I get it. There are 170 million Americans on that.

54:50There are 6 million small businesses that make their livelihoods off of TikTok. And that's the main argument that Kevin O 'Leary, Mr. Wonderful, is making for why we need to buy it. he has put together a$20 billion bid for it that they don't seem that interested in, probably because this isn't about money. It's about national security. And by that, I mean our lack of national security. But it's extremely scary. And if you have a moment where you can get lawmakers together on something like this, why not go for it? Also, why can't we just make our own. I have not understood that fully. So the mere fact that on a dime, TikTok could have their algorithm push out and elevate a ton of TikTokers who are understandably upset because they make their living or they just plain don't like it, 170 million Americans, if they can find 1 % of them, 1.7 million.

55:46And then I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that they've massively elevated the distribution and viewership of that content that inspired massive political pressure and discourse and occupying the news, i.e. propaganda. The fact that on demand, in real time, a platform that is obviously influenced by law and has to do what the CCP wants, the fact that they could inspire a real-time influence on our government is exactly the reason it needs to be banned. When do they do this again? When they invade Taiwan? or when they just want us to get angry at each other. And this has a larger theme, and that is, are we as Americans a serious people?

56:33We're in the Paris Accords. We're out. We're back in. We're out again. We're in the Iran deal. No, we're out again. We have 79 U.S. senators, 350-odd congresspeople sign into law something banning it. They had six months to figure this out. They decided not to. And on the eve of the banning, we blinked. President signed this into law. It was a law. But what did the Chinese and the CCP say? Hold my fucking beer. And we blinked. And now we're trying to figure out how to get out the knee pads and fillet the CCP. What happens the next time we have real negotiations with any adversary or competitor globally?

57:19We are not a serious people. We blink. We sign laws and then we repeal them. We enter treaties and then we leave them. We fund NATO and then we start threatening other NATO countries. this embodies or epitomizes the fact that we are losing currency and credibility around anything we say, any threat we make, even if it's a law that passes overwhelmingly. Well, will it really happen? I wouldn't take us seriously. So what happens when we threaten to reciprocate or to defend Taiwan? Do they take us seriously? Or do they now feel like between our ability to turn Trump into a deca-billionaire and the fact that even when they vote for a law and vote on something, they don't seem that serious, does anyone take us by our word?

58:16We are no longer a serious people. I would add to that that, unfortunately, this became a bipartisan problem because Biden blinked first on this. He punted it to the new administration. And I think that it's very much indicative or representative of this kind of cloud of disappointment and disgrace to a lot of people that he left the White House in. You know, there were a slew of stories that came out over the weekend, big publications, right, in The Times, Politico, The Guardian, all these Dems who now feel emboldened to talk about how they, you know, knew Biden shouldn't have been the nominee.

58:55Right. And they had X experience with him. And, you know, he's not talking to the Pelosi's and Jill Biden said we were friends for 50 years and there's all this infighting. And the time for that was in the public square, frankly, when Dean Phillips was screaming from the rooftops, you know, if I have to be the guy, I'll be the guy. I would rather it would be someone better. Right. Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, etc. et cetera. And I fully take responsibility for, I said on TV many times that I thought he could do it when it was clear that he couldn't do it and at least couldn't do it for the next four years, which he's now admitted as much, even though he says he would still win when we would have been absolutely obliterated.

59:34But he should have done this. He should have not given Trump the opportunity to be the savior or perceived as the savior of TikTok, and then to keep it operating for at least the next 75 days. And when you think of how fast disinformation spreads or whatever they want the algorithm to say goes, 75 days is a lifetime, right? And then it's gonna be another 75 days until we figure out a way to - What is their motivation to get a deal done? Oh, we really mean it this time. We gave you 180 days and you didn't listen, but now we're going to give you another 70, but we really mean it this time. Well, he wants to also split ownership, right?

1:00:17He wants to fit. He had the social post, like the 50. There's a word for that. Socialism. We've decided he's decided that that's terrible. Yeah. That the U.S. government should own 50 percent of a private enterprise. I mean, how is that any difference in the U.K. deciding to invest in DeLorean or Obama investing in Solandra? That is, socialism is when the government controls the means of production, when he decides certain businesses and he thinks he has a better business perspective, he decides we should own 50 percent of that and he's going to make us rich. That is socialism. That is the basis of, OK, we're going to now become the means of production and own businesses because we know better than private enterprise.

1:00:55Well, even if he kicks it to private enterprise, it's going to be private enterprise that he controls. And we just have gone through this whole rigmarole over government censorship, right, of the people. I'm the ultimate free speech advocate, one of the biggest applause lines during the inauguration. And we're back at zero or, frankly, less than zero because a lot of people are willfully blind to all of this. I'm going to finish where I started. I see this as Shireen Baratheon being burnt at the stake. I just am not down with this. I refuse to normalize it, Jess. I am not coming together. I am not.

1:01:30You have to. It's in the title of the show. Is it? Rage. Kinda. Well, I think I am being a moderate. Well, let me put it this way. We're raging. We're raging. How's that? I promised to rage. Raging hard. Yeah. Okay. We'll rage. All right. But we have to work together where we can find normal ways to do it. There you go. All right. That's all for this episode. Thanks for listening to Raging Moderates. Our producers are David Toledo and Chinenye Onike. Our technical director is Drew Burrows. You can find Raging Moderates on its own feed every Tuesday. that's right Raging Moderates on its own feed please follow us wherever you get your podcast Jess I hope you and your daughters are well we are great thank you and have a few years before Game of Thrones thank God