Antiques Roadshow Secrets

24 Jul 2024 · 32 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: Antiques Roadshow Secrets

Podcast Overview Title: The Rest Is Entertainment Hosts: Richard Osman & Marina Hyde Description: The podcast provides insights into the entertainment industry, covering television, movies, and pop culture with an insider perspective.

Episode Details Title: Antiques Roadshow Secrets Description: This episode features discussions on iconic celebrity cameos in *The Simpsons*, media training for public figures, the rationale behind encores in concerts, and behind-the-scenes secrets of *Antiques Roadshow*.

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Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Celebrity Cameos in *The Simpsons*
  2. Top 3 Cameos:
  3. Meryl Streep as Reverend Lovejoy's daughter Jessica – showcasing her high voice and comedic talent.
  4. Leonard Nimoy as himself in the memorable monorail episode.
  5. Dustin Hoffman as Lisa's supply teacher Mr. Bergstrom – a poignant moment in the series where he leaves Lisa with a touching note.
  1. Media Training for Celebrities
  2. Purpose of Media Training:
  3. Helps public figures avoid slip-ups during interviews.
  4. Teaches them to remain neutral and "boring" in their responses to avoid controversy.
  5. "Trap Words": Instruction to avoid certain words that can lead to misunderstandings or negative headlines.
  6. Discussion on the Effectiveness:
  7. While intended to make figures sound less engaging, media training also helps with delivery and articulation.
  1. The Art of Encores in Concerts
  2. Historical Roots:
  3. Originated from opera traditions where audiences would request additional performances.
  4. Audience Interaction:
  5. Fans enjoy the anticipation, even knowing artists will return.
  6. What Artists Do While Waiting:
  7. Casual activities like having a drink or a cigarette.
  1. Secrets of *Antiques Roadshow*
  2. Exhibitor Invitations:
  3. Some guests are pre-invited if they possess particularly valuable items.
  4. Valuation Process:
  5. Initial assessments are made by researchers before items are presented to experts on air.
  6. Most items come from the general public responding to announcements about the show's location.
  1. Innovations in Sports Coverage
  2. Insights into how technology, such as AI and 8K video, is transforming live sports broadcasting, particularly for the Olympics.

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Key Takeaways

  • The intersection of media, entertainment, and audience engagement is a recurring theme.
  • The practices around celebrity appearances, audience expectations, and behind-the-scenes preparations play a significant role in the entertainment experience.
  • The blend of humor and insightful commentary from Osman and Hyde provides a unique take on familiar pop culture phenomena.

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  • Listeners are encouraged to submit questions for future episodes, enhancing engagement and interaction with the hosts.

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Conclusion This episode of *The Rest Is Entertainment* delves into various aspects of the entertainment industry, from the allure of celebrity cameos and the subtleties of media training to the mechanics of live performances and the valuation of antiques. The discussions led by Richard Osman and Marina Hyde provide listeners with an entertaining and informative glimpse behind the curtain of showbiz.

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1:43I genuinely think you should never use autocue if you can avoid it. Otherwise, you just say the same thing. For example, I don't think you've ever used the exact same form of words twice to open an episode. and you wait till i do a top three i'm not going to mess it up this week i saw a good comment this week which is please no more top threes and right underneath it was please can we have more top threes right there you go um can i ask you a question that comes in from aid bond aid asks what is the most expensive sport event to cover for tv that's a nice concise question it is it's got a very simple answer but it's quite a long answer and we can talk about other things well The answer is the Olympics, because if you just shot the events, there's 3 ,800 hours of television.

2:25Wow. Because obviously there are so many different events and it's happening all the time, mostly simultaneously. I've also talked to someone who's very knowledgeable about this. Other expensive events we'll discuss first. Formula One, you need to cover about 6km of track. There's a complicated subcut system, so the director might have to cover the battle for fourth place. This is really difficult to get it all right and obviously going quite fast. A huge amount of different cameras is the thing. Different cameras. Golf, obviously, the physical scale of the area on which you're playing. Tour de France.

2:57Oh, my God. That's quite big. Yeah, isn't it just? You never know where the exact accident's going to be. That's going to become a clip. I mean, the Champions League, a big Champions League game, the most expensive camera. And actually, you know, they have them at the cricket now as well. Those cameras that are on the four wires, that's six figures just to get that camera in. But people love the shots that come from that. the boat race actually is very expensive it's worth every penny it's yeah quite um snooker very cheap who'd have thought um but going back to the olympics so much innovation happens and so what we can expect this year that is different even things like tiktok are going to have an olympics hub things that just didn't happen before so everything will be it's always the same but different it's always a huge catalyst for new stuff nbc is partnering with creators but they've also NBC have got one of their legendary broadcasters who's now no longer with us they have got an AI of him doing some highlights packages I know Al Michaels he's a legendary and they've got an AI of him are you sure it says AI and it doesn't just say Al yeah you're right it could be actually just quite a low-fi Al is turning up some of the events will be done in 8K for various reasons in broadcasters in 8K?

4:12yeah I know 8K Do you know what that means? Yes, I do, actually, because someone wrote a joke about it in our show, and I didn't know what it meant beforehand. What is 8K? 4K is, you know, sort of a very ultra-high definition. 8K, there are some things in 8K that sort of extreme amount of pixels. I love the fact you said you knew what it meant. Yeah, it means very, very, very, very high definition. Okay, I betcha. Of which there could be no need, and most people's technology wouldn't be able to even show it back to them, so what on earth is the point? Vertical video for phones, because people don't hold their phone to the side.

4:42So there'll be some of that. But you know that effect that they have in the Matrix films? It's called Flomo. And they put so many cameras around one point. And do you remember you could sort of spin right the way around the suspended? It's really weird. I remember seeing that in the Matrix and thinking, oh, my God, that's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. And honestly, three years later, I saw it in a Center Parks advert. But that's what innovation is. Now, they're saying that for the first time this Olympics, that it's possible that you'll be able to do that this time. And they're going to have very, very cinematic lenses that give you much better depth of field.

5:15So the coverage is always kind of revolutionary and it will be exciting to watch. And the funding of that is possible because the Olympics is worldwide and those pictures are shared by an awful lot of channels. So as you say, the various channels in different countries will have their own local bits and bobs and VTs they're doing. But the actual coverage you're getting, the actual live coverage, is a shared cost between people. The IOC gets something like four and a half or five billion for the TV rights. But I do think it's a fascinating point that we slightly take the coverage of sports for granted and the incredible people you have who are doing that, who are thinking all the time, how do we make this better?

5:50How do we make it more immersive? How do we get people inside the action a little bit more? And I know I'll get money because it's the Olympics. So here's my moment to say, please, can we try this this time? So look for the innovations. Yeah, so the Olympics is essentially like the Olympics, but for camera operators as well, because they're like only once every four years. This is what we train for. This is what we work for. This is our one big opportunity. And so while you're watching incredible sporting endeavour, you're also watching incredible technical endeavour. By the way, we're just talking about the cost of covering an event there, not the rights to events and blah, blah, blah, which is a whole different question.

6:23Well, definitely a long one to unpack. But isn't it wonderful how cheap snooker is to make? Yeah. I mean, even that occasionally you get a slightly different thing. They do now have a camera that hovers over the table, so you can properly look down on the balls. But, yeah, if you change the way the snooker is made, people would absolutely... Don't innovate. Innovate slightly, but only very little. Yeah, yeah. I'm hoping that the TikTok coverage of these things will encourage lots of sports to have slightly quicker versions of it. I've talked before about going to see the volleyball at the London Olympics.

6:50I almost walked on court just to say, this is not helping you. I was God's Parade. It is not helping you in any way whatsoever. This is taking forever. You've got this unbelievably great sport and you are killing it with your point system. And so, you know, hopefully TikTok might... I would love you to just walk on in various events. Can I tell you how you might be able to do this quicker, faster and more fun? Can I just say, on behalf of everyone sitting in the audience and everyone not watching at home, here's how we get this done in half the time. I would say I'm going to press a red button for it.

7:21But in fact, we'll just do it here. We'll do it on the podcast. So expect us to talk lots about the Olympic coverage, which you're all going to be glued to, even if you think you aren't because it's so immersive and it's so it hooks you more than anything the archery but where there's a gopro and a bullseye and the arrow comes towards you towards you that's nice yeah i first saw an arrow on a camera on the top of an arrow in robin hood prince of thieves i think that's the first time i've seen it um so yeah it's time for an innovation 1906 olympics yeah that was the 1906 costner in the 1906 by the way robin hood you know the famous story in robin hood where um someone comes up and hits a bullseye that he's having a competition against someone yeah and uh the guy comes up and hits the bullseye like dead in the center and it's like there we go robin i beat you and then robin hood comes up fires his arrow and he splits the arrow and wins those two arrows are identical he does not win that's a draw if the second guy gone second he would have split robin's arrow they've both gone dead in the middle he hasn't got more in the middle than the other arrow that's brilliant you can walk on into the into prince of thieves and say by the way this wouldn't actually happen because yeah this is no I would just say I declare this a draw.

8:25Guys, we go again. Tie break. But you know what I mean? It's the middle of any. Listen, it's great for the advertising. Sheriff of Nottingham will buy an extra four slots in this. So it's definitely worth it. Yeah. On Twitter, everyone going, oh, my God, the arrow off has gone to penalties. Everyone will be turning on. That's always bugged me. Rob, great shot from both of you, but it's a draw. Should we do a different question? Make it about arrows. Oh, I love this one. And Encores from Claire says, why are there encores at concerts? And what do artists do while they're waiting to come back on stage?

8:57It's usually obvious that there's more to come. So why the drama? All it is is drama. It goes back to opera, which is where they first had it. They would always have an aria in their back pockets or an aria that they were going to repeat. And so, you know, everyone would shout encore and brava. And back they would shuffle on and do another one. And so it's one of those things where there isn't a clever answer other than it's what people have always done. And audiences love it. And it's kind of fun for bands. To watch them beg for it. Yes, exactly. And that's what they always leave their biggest song because, you know, you don't want to walk off and people go, yeah, I think I'm done.

9:32They played Mr. Brightside. Yeah. Let's beat the traffic. And some bands will do four or five encores and it goes on forever. And that, to me, I'm out by that point. Do one encore. You can do a maximum of three. one classy two sweet spot three come on guys this isn't on this is like a second half of the concert i spoke to my brother about what they actually do while they're waiting for that encore and his answer will shock you he says um i have a drink or a fag just go sign the stage yeah have a ciggy you know just wait for the you know boom boom boom boom because you haven't played trash yet so we know you're coming back uh and yeah once he's finished his fag he'll he'll amble on the place goes crazy then brett comes on these are two fags uh and uh and away they go but it's you know it's it's drama that people like you know we all love it because you get to sort of go oh my god that was incredible and then you go are you kidding me they're coming back and we're still such children because we know of course we know they're coming back of course but there's a bit of us that's going but what if they what if they didn't like coventry this evening what if they're in a mood and they're not going to come back come on guys come back on play the beautiful ones so there's a tiny bit in our brain that goes but what if they don't come out and when they do that roar is genuine it's such a weird thing isn't it we all kid ourselves that we're all part of that pantomime and we we all enjoy it do you know what funnily enough when i said to my brother if i'm allowed to ask my own question i have my own question uh because he said oh i you know go off and have a drink and have a ciggy i said does anyone ever need the loo during a gig yeah Right.

11:09And if you're in a band, do you ever need the loo during the gig? Because, you know, again, you watch the snooker. They're nipping off for a wee every frame. Yeah. And he said, no, never happened. He said, you're so dehydrated anyway up there. You know, everyone's sweating so much. He said, we've never, ever, ever needed to go to the loo during the gig. And it's the same on TV shows. If you have a very, very long record, I've never had to go for a wee during a TV show. It's one of my proudest claims to fame. Stick that in the Daily Express. Yes. And then I also asked, is the encore always the same?

11:39Is a different encore in different countries? And Matt said, absolutely. He says certain bands know that they have songs that are bigger in certain territories than others. If you're in Australia, you play that song last. If you're in Malaysia, you play that song last. He said you can even, if you're in a country you've not really been in before, you can look at your Spotify stats and you can find out exactly which song people respond to in that country. So, yeah, if you're in the UK, you know exactly what you're playing. But in different countries, you play different encores. But yeah, I think it's one of those lovely things that makes no sense that we all know about, we're all complicit in, and yet we all still do.

12:11We all suspend our disbelief and love it. Still loves it, yeah. I love that. Well, that's what it is. That's performance. It's pantomime really, isn't it? Okay, should we go to a break? Okay, go on then. At Sierra, discover top workout gear at incredible prices, which might lead to another discovery. Your headphones haven't been connected this whole time. Awkward. Discover top brands at unexpectedly low prices. Sierra, let's get moving. I'm Christian McCaffrey, pro running back and Abercrombie is an official fashion partner of the NFL I'm not kidding when I say NFL by Abercrombie broke the internet last year and I think this season's lineup is even cooler and so does my wife who keeps stealing all my hoodies stay fit for the season and Abercrombie's newest arrivals shop NFL by Abercrombie in the app online and in store

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13:33Guys, we came back. We came back. We could hear everyone's feet stomping during the advert. Demanding the return. Had a quick drink, and now here we go. And here we go. I have a question for you, Marina, from Alice Pictal. Thank you, Alice. She asks, I have a question about media training. Oh, yes, please. Presumably at some early point in your career as a celeb, you'll slip up in an interview, and someone will pack you off to media training. what are the core lessons that you would learn in media training 101 oh gosh okay i mean you could be a ceo lots of ceos have it or you could be a young starlet you could be all sorts of things in some ways i always think of media training they teach you to be boring someone i was talking to the other day had appeared in front of a um sort of public inquiry and their wife had said i've i've never seen you be so boring great yes victory thank you and i slightly felt that when And do you remember a few weeks ago during Wimbledon, they said to Emma Raducanu, will you be voting today?

14:29And she said, oh, thanks. I didn't actually know that it was the election. People were like, oh, that's awful. How disengaged, how whatever. I'm not necessarily sure. The question, are you voting? And you say yes. She knows very well what her next question is going to be. And so she said, oh, no, I think I'll just go and do some practice or whatever. And what they're trying to do is entrap you. Now, I spoke to another sportsman who'd just been through some media training. and he gave me quite an interesting example of what the firm that he used had told him. It was all about trap words. And so they did a real case study of something that had actually happened.

15:02Chris Wokes, the cricketer, was being interviewed by the BBC and he was asked for his views on Joffre Archer, who was born in Barbados, being added to the World Cup squad. He was asked if it was fair that that had occurred. And he said, fair's probably not the right word. Wouldn't be fair morally, but at the same time, it's a nation of international sport. Then we cut forward to Chris Wokes, which you can still see on Twitter, him saying, yeah, I'm not sure this is the exact context for all these stories because all these stories came out saying, you know, it would not be fair morally, says Chris Wokes for Geoff Archer to pay for England.

15:34He's repeated the word fair. He's also added the word morally and he's now in a terrible pickle. It's not his fault, by the way, and I get told to get it. And he's trying to, you know, and you're now doing a rearguard action where you're telling people to say, so what they're trying to say to you is, don't say those certain words. Again, they're trying to make you boring. you're just trying to sort of take all the heat out of every question but also maybe not to repeat words and this is the same for celebrities for everything i was actually thinking about something really like one of the first stories i ever wrote after kelly brooke had been sacked from the big breakfast for basically not really working out if i can put that politely as a thing i went down and i lisa tarbuck had replaced her and i went to the big breakfast house and i and they had this pr who was rather hopeless at the time i won't name and obviously the question that i was going to ask her was what about what happened to Kelly?

16:21And she said, I think it could have been handled better. And I was thinking while she was saying it, crikey. Anyway, I wrote up the story. The PR said, well, she didn't say that. And I said, well, you're very welcome to listen to the tape. Even then, when I was very young, I thought your job is to have media trained her. You're obviously going to be asked what happened to your predecessor who was unceremoniously ejected. Have a way of dealing with it that's just going to take all the heat out of the situation. But unfortunately, that didn't occur. So I'm sorry that I wrote that, but it was based on the exact quote.

16:50Well, there's two interesting sides to media training. One is exactly the one you're talking about there, which is there is an industry that is waiting for you to say something that they can just clip out and use as a headline. And so, you know, I do lots and lots of interviews for the book and all sorts of things, and I'm always incredibly aware of anything they can use as what they call a pull quote, which is they take half of one of your sentences, they put it in bold at the top of a thing, and that's their kind of storyline. You know, Osmond slams BBC or whatever it might be when you clearly haven't stand the BBC.

17:20And having been in the business for a long time, I have in my head all the time, I'm listening all the time and thinking, maybe clip that out and occasionally you'll say something, you think, oh no, that's what they're going to go with. So it does mean you can't really talk. It's the enemy of fun discussion. It completely is. I've interviewed someone really interesting and they said to me, I think the aim of this is just not to make news. Yeah, well, you know, and this is the sadness of it. I talked on our Tuesday episode about the Daily Express headlines and they will sort of take it from anywhere.

17:47you do a joke on a show and it will become a headline so it's sort of impossible now to get around it and a bit of me thinks that it's so ubiquitous and so stupid that maybe we're going to come out the other side of it and start being able to say what we want again but i think people are a bit more savvy if you read the comments it's often people just saying this is nonsense they didn't say that read the whole thing read everything they said people have become much more media literate yeah you know it's there's so much of it that it goes crazy but you know you do have to be careful and even in foreign interviews i'll make sure i don't say something that could because they all get picked up on as well there's people who read you know german interviews and australian interviews and stuff if you ever get interviewed for the radio times their desk they're always trying to catch you out on something brilliant they get news lines all the time they are so good and the reason we should say that people want to get off on news lines is because then it says in an interview with the radio times as an example who are excellent to getting news lines yeah the radio times is so brilliant and they're fantastic magazine and they will spend like an hour interviewing you and they'll talk about the books and they'll talk about House of Games and that must be fun when you do this.

18:48Yes, that's great fun. And what does it feel like to be XYZ? And then right at the end you go, a lot of pressure on the licence fee at the moment. Do you think it should be abolished? And you'll say one round of, yeah. But you're like, well look, this one is not for me. And by the way, it's not because you don't ever want to give an opinion, but you think, I've just done a whole interview. I've said some things I've really enjoyed it. I've said some things that I think are quite funny and represent me. And I'm not just going to say that'll be the top one thing that will be the front cover and the front page and you say just you don't want to do it so there's that side which is be very very careful and in terms of media training for for newer people it is either look either you make them more charismatic or you make them more boring yeah and it's almost impossible to make people more charismatic so by and large you make them more boring and that's the training but the other side of media training which is really interesting is and you do you get a lot with young footballers particularly they'll sit and watch it with you and just say have a look at how you're speaking have a look you just slightly spoke over them there you've just said you know three times in the last sentence and people who do media training with footballers love it because footballers are incredibly good at taking instruction that's been their entire career you tell them what to do and they do it so that side of media training fascinating which is just watching see how you come across see how you play with others and that kind of thing yes i think a lot of journalists when they see a PR recording an interview or publicist in the room recording an interview, they feel it's like a sort of, hey, I've got my own tape.

20:14So you don't, you try and pull everything with these quotes. Most times it's actually not. And they will play it back if they're trying to build a long-term relationship with this client. They will play it back and say, see what you could have done. We should also say, of course, that social media training is now a big part of media training. And you'll see that suddenly someone will get taken on as, i don't know a formula one driver and having been had a load of lively opinions on absolutely everything now they're on a team will say the most anodyne things possible or possibly just to the point where you know that it's been handed over to someone else and they know and they've probably got some locked account anywhere somewhere else where they're saying all their interesting opinions and by the way i do not blame them one bit if you say something that people pick up on it's just so boring yeah and so it's you know it's a shame we lose out so much by people just desperately trying to find a little i'm refusing to understand the nuance just for the sake of it which is so yeah i one of the things i've always tried when i'm writing is that if a politician was making a joke about something to try not because it's so easy to do that and then to say oh they're saying it seriously and it's yeah i mean without wishing to be rude they do say enough stupid things anyway you don't need to to misrepresent things and i always find it a bit when people do that it was to take a slightly dim view and i think that's really disingenuous it was only a joke yes i always think the absolute classic example of it was uh when andy murray many years ago said his anyone but england line about winning at football and then for the rest of his career everyone goes god andy murray why is he so boring you think well maybe because the one time he did a joke you literally had to go into hiding and by the way a perfectly acceptable joke that you know you should be grown up enough to be able to take so from then on he was like do you know what maybe i won't do jokes anymore maybe i'll just ask answer questions about tennis because that was a pain in the ass oh i'm dying to know this one from angus kingston about the antiques road kingston or angus in kingston it says angus kingston so i think we're going to have to assume that the quite common surname kingston is his surname rather than he's dialing in from kingston maybe he's alex kingston from kingston from angus wow maybe it's angus kingston and you moved from Angus to Kingston?

22:27I'm losing track, but I'm going to ask the question. Okay, that's a good idea. What's the quickest route from Angus to Kingston? I knew it. I knew it. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry, Angus. Angus Kingston asks about the Antiques Roadshow. Do exhibitors get invited to come along because producers are tipped off that they have an 18th century porcelain dog sitting on a toilet reading a newspaper that is worth£10 ,000? The experts seem to know a lot off the top of their heads. how is it set up a number of answers to that angus i would say to your original point of do people get invited along occasionally that does happen so some of the biggest ever finds on antics road show have been ones that they sort of knew were going to happen so there was um gateshead council i think had the had the maquette for angel of the north a six-foot version of angel of the north and when they were up there obviously they didn't a guy didn't just turn up with this six for Angel of the North and bring it along.

23:24So there would have been, you know, chats with the production said, you know, we've got this Angel of the North. It has never been valued. So you bring it along. And that was worth over a million pounds, which actually is more than they paid for the actual whole Angel of the North in the first place. So things like that. There was an army regiment who had a Fabergé flower, which they knew was very valuable. And so they had said to Antiques Road, should we take it on? We don't know how valuable it is. And that was over a million as well. um and there was a banksy mural as well that the bristol kind of youth club had this banksy mural so you know that that's worth a lot of money but also you're not just going to turn up with it in a bag and turn up so there there are times when interesting things if you're in a particular area the researchers will go up and have a little look if there's like one big interesting story that they can look at but the massive bulk of antiques roadshow is people seeing in the paper that it's in their area and bringing things along and waiting in the queue and you know hoping to get on tv so a few things a few big things that you you would you would check out beforehand but by and large it's this big queue you would go along there um and like an x-factor not everyone goes in front of the judges so the first thing you do is is researchers will come and look at your pieces and there will be valuers and they will value your piece and most things someone will value your piece you'll be very happy and then you'll enjoy the rest of the day at stately home and watch the filming um if a researcher finds something interesting that then goes up the line to a producer they'd say i've got this thing it's a box and either it's interesting because it's valuable or it's interesting because it's unusual or it's interesting because it's got a great personal story behind it so they're trained to sort of work those things out and they that gets moved up the line to the producers who will then look at it decide on what the on-screen valuers are going to talk about what they're actually going to point the cameras at because they don't have a million cameras they know the things that they're shooting during the day they are real experts by the way before it goes to those experts they might take a look at it and go i need a tiny bit more on this and so they will research into it but by and lies those experts would want to just do that themselves because they they like either knowing for a fact what it is or they like to talk about the the fact they don't know exactly what it is they like to talk about those things um so lots of different things go through lots of those different processes things will turn up and someone well you won't know exactly what it's worth things will turn up you do a bit of research and then you'll know what it's worth but to get actually on camera is quite rare on those programs and as i say it'll be because the item is unusual the item is expensive or the item has a great story behind it and the most expensive item i can find that was actually just somebody who'd bought something in a shop and a researcher had looked at it and gone okay i think this is quite interesting and it had gone up to the producer and they said oh i think this is quite interesting and had gone to the expert was someone who for 400 pound had bought a painting this is in bristol they bought a painting in a thrift shop and it was a 400 000 pound van dyke but that was somebody literally turning up with a painting under their arm and suddenly they're 400 000 pound richer they might have had an idea but almost all of that show is people bringing things in but there's there's a process you have to go through before you're put on camera now antiques road trip which is which is not antiques road show it's where the the um antiques experts go around the country and compete against each other so you would hope that they would find some quite cool things and paul laidlaw who i love on that show um bought a uh like a sub miniature camera he found this camera and they got it for 60 quid from this guy and he was like i really think there's something i think this might be like a prototype i think it might be quite an unusual piece and that sold on auction there you could watch the auction you can see on live is sold for 20 000 pounds wow this 60 pound camera that uh that he bought uh and so you know those things do happen my favorite of those shows is fake or fortune because you know for a fact if they find out something is real then it is worth an absolute fortune and if it's not real then it's not worth an absolute fortune so it's a very binary choice but yeah antics road show is very very real if something comes in like that angel of the north they're very um upfront about what they're doing and the fact that it's not just someone who's been in a queue but uh yeah that that joy of someone finding out things are worth more than they thought is very genuine and in in almost all circumstances it's always fun when you see someone pretending not to be disappointed yeah when they go i'd say this is two three pounds and you're like oh it's crushing but it's yeah it's it's a beautifully put together a bit of television antiques roadshow okay this is from david s top three simpsons cameos oh number two i've got i have got some views i can't count something like kelsey grammar being sideshow bob is he's a returning character yeah returning character i generally hate the ones where celebrities play themselves even though i absolutely love the simpsons completely love the simpsons i i generally hate the ones where they play themselves there's a really dark one actually where he doesn't play himself well he does is michael jackson that's one of the creepiest ones he's like this really creepy overweight oh yeah patient in a psychiatric hospital he's called michael jackson yeah that's a very odd one that's not in my top three but in my top three there's one where they play themselves at three yes richard that's good is meryl streep plays uh reverend lovejoy's daughter jessica um she's worse than bart But first of all, what can't Meryl do?

28:55Her voice is so high. She's like a really good cameo. She's worse than Bart. Bart obviously just falls to her completely. So I love that one. At number two, oh my God, I'm doing this. It hasn't gone wrong yet. Leonard Nimoy opening the monorail. Oh, amazing. And he is obviously playing himself. And that's an incredible episode. And it is. The monorail episode is obviously an epic one. At number one, oh my God, I've done this. But this is one of my... This honestly makes me cry, this cameo, almost every time I see it, is Dustin Hoffman plays Lisa's supply teacher, Mr. Bergstrom. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

29:30And she sort of, I mean, she doesn't fall in love with it. She adores him. He has to go because supply teachers move on like the little is over. And he hands her a note, which she thinks is going to explain everything. And as the train's pulling out of the station and she opens the note and it just says, you are Lisa Simpson. I mean it's one of the way and he's actually credited as Sam Etic Really? which we can only speculate on where he chose that but there was some sort of contractual reason why he couldn't be credited Dustin Hoffman and it's relatively early in The Simpsons which has now obviously been going on for 450 years so that's my favourite but you know the voice and you know and then they're not credited there's something much more cool than someone just Rupert Murdoch's playing Rupert Murdoch which he has done on a couple of occasions and a lovely thing that happened last week again another one of those examples of things in The Simpsons that come true, like they predicted President Trump, is there's the lovely episode where Homer goes on tour with the Smashing Pumpkins and Cypress Hill are playing and they accidentally book the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, possibly well high, and a couple of weeks ago actually played live with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra because so many people who watched The Simpsons had asked them over the years.

30:40So that would be my favourite. Great, a perfectly executed top three. I forgot to have a lie down. Do it, my normal service will resume next week. Do please keep sending your questions in. The rest is entertainment at gmail.com. And we will see you next Tuesday for a regular episode. See you next Tuesday.

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