Are Celebrities Being Cloned?

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2:14Hello and welcome to this episode of the Restless Entertainment, questions and answers edition. I'm Marina High. And I'm Richard Osman. Hello, Marina. Hello, Richard. How are you? I'm not too bad. you know enjoying post Oscars week as always planning my campaign for next year you never know you'd have to really go at some to like start now and win an Oscar next year oh my god don't set yourself the challenge do you know what I might scene one int the pentagon speaking of which we have had an email I believe from a filmmaker oh yes we've spoken a little bit in our Top Gun episode and various other things about military hardware and you know when you team up with the pentagon and it's very nice to hear from someone who's actually done it yeah uh and john moore to make a film rather than to you know bomb a petro state yes exactly although he may have done he may have done that he doesn't say he wouldn't be allowed to say he doesn't deny it here certainly john moore thank you john who's the director of behind enemy lines also did a good day to die hard that's cool john we're fanboying he says hi marina hi richard says your name first because that because he's a class act it's a class act he said i directed the 2001 military movie behind enemy lies we know starring owen wilson and gene hackman which did use a lot of hardware including f-18 super hornets wow i really hope that's a plane and not an insect um aircraft carriers helicopters etc etc you know you're a call director when you can go helicopters etc etc your analysis was spot on the pentagon handles all of it on a case-by-case basis but the good news is when they do commit you have a pretty broad access and though yes if there is a real life emergency you do have to quickly adapt there are moments where you are truly in charge of an aircraft carrier he says if for example you need the boat to turn left or right to capture the light where you want it so you get to be could we just turn the aircraft carrier right just for a minute please that's my ambition for the year to get the oscars i literally just want to just say heave starboard or something like that whatever that i you know i just want to do the technical thing yeah i don't think they do say that yeah i'm on the bridge and what did you say heave starboard i think you might turn left does he mean turn left he says takes months of prep meetings after meetings and a lot of very serious safety prep when there are aircraft involved i bet now he says the pentagon are not as censorious as many believe they do not encourage particularly negative views of course but they're generally interested in reflecting reality and i have to say this is a good review for the pentagon if the pentagon are listening just not that they need one at the moment but yeah that's true um They're busy.

4:43Dear Pentagon, I have to say, if every producer could deliver what they promise at a level the Pentagon do, there would be a lot more happy directors out there. Wow. Thank you, John. Thank you ever so much for that. If anyone else has steered an aircraft carrier, do let us know. Yeah, and if everyone else could just keep to those standards in terms of when they make any form of a deal with the production, just turn up and do what you say you're going to do. Yeah, just like the Pentagon. like the people who make House of Games prizes and the Pentagon. They never let you down. Shall we have a question?

5:13Yes, let's have on. I have a question for you, Marina, from Ewan Forsyth. Thank you, Ewan. He says, in heated rivalry, Ilya and Shane sit beside a large mirror during the first time they truly see each other. The setting fits the scene perfectly, but feels like it would be challenging at least, or an absolute nightmare to film. When using mirrors in film, TV and photography, what balance is required for logistics and cinematography? Do you two have a favourite mirror scene on the screen? I was enjoying that question until the end. Now I've got some work to do. Okay. First of all, you had me from Heated Rivalry.

5:43I think the scene you're talking about is when they're in the gym. You know what? When we started with Heated Rivalry, though, I bet not many people knew where that question was going. Oh, you're talking about mirrors. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yes. After they've had a sexually charged competitive workout on some exercise bikes, I think you're talking about that one, and they're each on either side, and they're going to get one of those mirrors that's against the back wall of a gym. That's fine, because if you notice in that, The camera, you know, these are the sort of things I noticed in Heathcliff. That's all I noticed is just the camera angles.

6:12I just watched it as a technical exercise. That's the question, really. When you're filming or photographing a camera, where is the camera? When you're filming or photographing a mirror, where is the camera? It's quite black, the background. The camera is in the middle in a tripod and it doesn't move. It's a fixed position camera. Therefore, it's quite easy to have painted it out after what they must have done for that scene. Right. But there are many different ways. Jacob Tierney, he wrote it and he directed it. he uses so many mirrors in that show and there's lots of reflective glass and there's as i say you know a lot of it's done in hotel rooms and hotel suites he likes mirrors and you know there's by the way if you want to get into some fan discourse on what it all means and the reflections of each other and internalized homophobia please get out there on that internet and you'll find plenty but i would call it heated mirrors yeah yeah well it would a heated mirror by the way that is a game changer he did mirror yeah anyway yes i digress yes it is incredibly difficult as you can imagine to not have the camera show in a mirror scene there's lots of different ways they do them and they vary in cost and ingenuity so we'll go through them cheat mirrors they might just angle it in a slightly weird way so you don't see the camera and maybe certainly one of my shout outs for possibly one of my favorite movie scenes ever the taxi in taxi driver when robert de niro is talking to himself in the mirror that's a good one should i thought yeah well there we go that that one they tilt that mirror and that's so that's you know they didn't have much huge amounts of marley martin scorsese and he does that but it's great and he improvises a lot of that scene it limits the camera movement you can't do a lot but it doesn't didn't matter there you can totally remove the mirror so you're essentially filming through so the thing that you're showing is actually the real person and the the camera as it were the shot is the mirror frame and they do sometimes do that so you would do that and then just put like a frame of a mirror on it in post so it looks like the mirror it looks like there's an incredible scene in contact where she's running up the stairs and she runs into a house runs all the way upstairs runs along the corridor and there's a really small bathroom mirror and then she opens and opens the bathroom cabinet and that is done in a very clever way and you can watch whole tutorials about how they did that it's one of the famous movie scenes because it's just not at all clear how you could achieve that in such a small space and not have basically it all be camera yeah so as i said you can totally remove the mirror and sometimes what they have is a body double as the person looking in the mirror as it were so you've got the real actor pretending to be themselves in the mirror and then someone mimicking their actions for the reflection yeah that seems very lo-fi well no it looks it looks good there's you can obviously just do it with digital and cgi and so in something like doctor strange they've got tons of mirror stuff two-way mirrors which are helpful you often see that obviously in police procedurals and then the camera just films from the dark side and it looks good that that way of framing it and then it's a mirror when you look from the other side so that makes things quite easy needless to say that this is something that is famously used by james cameron the mirror room technique where you create an entire identical room through the mirror um and so you can do anything there you can have lots of movement in the camera so you can get that that will deliver the best thing it's obviously the most difficult and the most sort of more expensive in Terminator 2 there's a famous scene where Linda Hamilton is operating on the Terminator model and this is amazing how they did this she is doing on Schwarzenegger as it were her twin sister Leslie come on no it's true it's true James Cameron her twin sister Leslie is doing it with a working prosthetic head that can actually like grimace and stuff of Schwarzenegger on the other side of a non-mirror because they've created it's very very expensive it involves an enormous amount of choreography it's really helpful if you've got a twin wow well that's like being a magician's assistant yeah almost all magicians assistants are identical twins yes are they not which allows you to do extraordinary things what you're not supposed to say that on the podcast it's not no i'm not behind the scenes i'm not a member of the magic circle though my my identical twin brother is yeah but anyway so that so there's all sorts of different ways and it's i think that the body the twin but yeah so those i suppose those are three of my favourite scenes but honestly every time I see it I'm trying to work out which one they've done now I just want to hear John Moore telling us how he shoots mirror scenes yes John Vite in again yeah guys I cannot do this every week I am busy was there a point at which Gene Hattman like met his reflection in the bathroom mirror and thought why am I doing this not the film but like why am I doing whatever it is he's doing maybe there was my favourite mirror well a couple of things I'll say I don't like it I do not like it if a scene starts in a bathroom and the bathroom cabinet is open.

10:56So they're in a bathroom, they're over the sink, and you're seen into the bathroom cabinet, and there's, you know, tablets and whatever. Because you know... Yeah, America. They always have so much better stuff in their cabinets than us. But you know the second that that starts, that at some point they're going to close that cabinet, there's going to be a mirror, and there's going to be a murderer just appears behind them. Yes. So that I don't like. the just honestly the second that's i just you know what i'm just gonna not look until is the murderer there yet the best ever mirror thing because you said two-way mirror so i'm allowed two-way mirror is the cold open of brooklyn 99 um when their lineup sings backstreet boys that's the best ever that's the best area ever use of a of a two-way mirror so that's correct that's correct there's no further questions yes excellent i did it i also love that um the instagram account which is people selling mirrors uh have you seen that no oh it's amazing okay which is because anyone's ever tried to sell a mirror and you put them up on gumtree or whatever it is you have to take a photo of the mirror that makes it look good but without you being in it yes but lots of people don't quite manage it or haven't realized they've sort of caught themselves or and you know they're in like very very unusual positions it's really genuinely hilarious people people selling mirrors.

12:13Question from Susie, who says, I absolutely love the podcast. Oh, thank you, Susie. That's very kind. Thank you both for sharing your insight into such a fascinating industry. I have a question. When a new format TV show is filmed, is the episode that was filmed first always shown first, or do they hide it halfway through the run? Oh God, that is genuinely, that's a blast from the past. There are certain shows where you have to go from episode one. So if you have something like Pointless, for example, where the winner stays on, then you have to continue from episode one. You do anything with a reality element to it, you have to work from episode one.

12:49If you have a show where they are capsule episodes, beginning, middle and end, and tomorrow a whole new group of people turn up, then you can do whatever you want. And then yes, normally, if you're shooting a series of six, you might put episode four out first when you hit the ground running and little tweaks that you made, you know you've got stuff wrong in the first episode you might put that out first or if it's sort of a big house of games like was the first week you shot oh that's a good question i think so because i think we aired we sort of did a like a kind of pilot week funny enough thinking about doing my last ever one that pilot week because rick edwards was on it and i was saying i'd love someone from that first week oh yeah to be uh on the final one so it was rick edwards angela scanlan clara anfo and charlie hickson and yes i think we always knew that was going to be our first week so yeah i think we couldn't hide anything there but if you're watching house of games now when we don't do that in order you know we will put out stuff at various points you know occasionally someone will say oh by the way you know could could this go on after strictly because i'm on strictly so you'll put that after and you can you can move things about a little but you know you know where christmas is going to go but but apart from that you don't and yeah you will often front load um episodes so you've got good ones if you're doing a show you know if you've got something that has a big jackpot if you've got something like the wheel for example which doesn't roll over at all so who wants to be a millionaire you have to do the first one million pound drop you have to do the first one you know most shows have some sort of recurring thing where it means you can't put them out of order but the wheel you can record 10 of them and in episode eight somebody wins 85 000 pound or just misses 85 000 pounds and it's a great ending you might put that first you might kind of think you know what let's absolutely lead with that and certainly if you've got a brand new format that you want to show off and there's something about that format if you've got you know there's something about the format that you know is going to hook people in but occasionally it doesn't happen in a particular episode you would search for the episode that shows the viewer exactly what the show is how it can work what mad things can happen in your show and put that first and then you know by episode seven or something you can put out the uh the more regular ones but what you get all the time you know i did a show called two tribes which we absolutely could put out of order and we did and i remember a good friend of mine saying to after about three weeks of that saying it's really really interesting because at first i wasn't sure about the show but you know you've really worked out what it is now and you know and i said you are watching it completely out of order the person who's worked out what it is is you okay we uh we worked out what it was by episode 17 which is why that was episode one you are watching episode two where we had no idea what it was but you have worked out what it is so yeah it's it is with sitcoms of course by and large you have to put them all in order but occasionally again you'll get a sitcom that is you know like porridge or step to and son or you know some of the old stuff you'll have things that you can put out of order but if you can put stuff out of order you do definitely if you can put out the first one that's great but usually it's not quite where it needs to be and you will work something out and definitely definitely definitely if you've got something that really shows off your format and it's a new format you really want to hit the ground running that's when every reviewer only ever review the first episode of something which i do think is crazy you know even dramas they'll do the first episode of something and you go you know there's five more episodes of this that you could review but yeah you you definitely want to put your best foot forward and it's scary when you do a show that has a rolling jackpot or has a returning cast where you cannot do that and then you just you you know it probably doesn't make any difference in the end but as a producer if there's something you can control, you do try to.

16:41Yeah, if you see a show where it could be put out in any order, then by and large it will be put out in any order. Right. Shall we now go to a break? I'm going to be giving away a little Would I Lie To You secret after the break as well. I've had an amazing answer from the brilliant Peter Holmes who produces Would I Lie To You for a great question as well. So I want you to ask me that after the break. I will do that.

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20:10Welcome back, everybody. Marina, Chris Herbert has a question for you. It's a topical one. Chris says, my question follows on from your recent episode regarding the Harry Styles conspiracy and the internet losing its mind over Jim Carrey's appearance at the César Award. What have been the most outlandish celebrity conspiracy theories in history and have any of them proved to be true? I really want your take on the Jim Carrey thing. We almost did it in the regular episode, but it's an amazing story. If you didn't see this, by background, Jim Carrey, who doesn't do a lot in front of the camera nowadays, accepted a few weeks ago an Honoré César, which is a film award, and he went to Paris and he did his whole acceptance speech in French.

20:49It was that coupled with the fact that people thought he'd had so much work done on his face. By the way, I thought it was slightly exaggerated. I looked at the pictures. I mean, okay, fine. His second mention was always the rubber face funny man. And maybe it's not so rubbery now. Maybe it's the rubber has gone a bit hard. It's a bit more epoxy resin, isn't it now? And so people said, oh no, he's been cloned. And I think it wasn't hugely... There was a drag queen who said that she'd played him for the... Yes, that she'd put on a mask. Yeah, but I mean, I think she was just sort of joking, trying to get in on it all.

21:23None of these are ever true, by the way, I don't think. None of them are ever true. But the interesting thing with Jim Carrey that made it a tiny bit more believable is that he played Andy Kaufman, who did do this sort of thing, who was one of the few people in history who actually did do that kind of stuff. And so you could imagine that as a performance piece, Jim Carrey, who is... This is why I think it caught light. Jim Carrey who is quite reclusive and doesn't really do very much and is suddenly speaking in a different language and has had some work done it's clearly you can still see it's him but you could imagine that that might be a performance piece I don't imagine he's been cloned because I feel that medically that would be um huge advances would be needed to do that but certainly they've done it with Barry Dillard's dogs why can't they do it with Jim Carrey that's true I suppose so but it certainly could have been someone someone wearing a mask you think that That wouldn't be impossible.

22:12It'd be a long way to go to set some French film award no one cares about. I know, but sometimes, you know, like on a Friday evening, you don't want to go to the other side of, you know, the town where you live. You know, he might not want to go to France. Such a long way to go in a metaphorical sense, as opposed to just to getting on a plane. We've got to go back to the culture here, because we're now going through another big conspiracies moment, and there are all kinds of ones bubbling under, you know, Michelle Obama's a man, Bridget Macron's a man. I think Selena Gomez, she's another one they think has been cloned because her appearance has changed a bit.

22:46There's a really simple explanation for this, by the way, and everyone in Hollywood's on it. Princess Kate, do you remember last year? They thought that during the cancer scare, there was some fake video made of her of a garden centre. We are in a cultural moment where, for reasons that we keep saying this, that people feel they're being lied to about all sorts of things, and there is a sort of groundswell of conspiracy, cloning or complete misrepresentation is a part of that. So we're going through one of those. By the way, this is pretty cyclical and it happens a lot. In the early 2010s, people were like, oh, Britney's got body doubles.

23:22Avril Lavigne has been replaced because she's difficult or whatever and she's been replaced with someone applying. All the fake pregnancy stories, I can't even remember them all. You know, Beyonce, all of those ones. Melania is faked. Well, this is what I am so ashamed of because literally on my way here, I thought, oh my God, I forgot. I started one of these. You started the Melania one. Okay, in 2017, it's a Friday night. Yeah. I've got a babysitter. You were in your lab. No, I'm not. Yeah, you don't, but I thought there would be a high barrier to entry to all this sort of stuff. You'd need a YouTube channel.

23:56And yeah, I was simply exiting South Kent's tube station to meet Kieran and go and have a drink with him. and NBC posted a video of Trump being interviewed at a Secret Service training facility while Melania stood next to him. Now, she had that look, which we see often with her, the Mac with the collar turned out. I mean, it's literally like someone in a disguise and the sunglasses. As I walked across the road, merely a few steps to meet him, I tweeted, absolutely convinced that Melania is being played by a Melania impersonator these days. Theory, she left him weeks ago and thought nothing more of it.

24:30now within a few days this thing i've thought oh my god it's gone so viral there was a section on gmb about it sky news did it the washington post did it they cleaned it up tarted it up try and make it look good for them you know usa today listen by the way by next thursday as well they nbc just put the video out really quickly in the way that you can with a clip all the news photographers later uploaded all their pictures and you could see her walking around this thing and in the other pictures it's quite obviously actual melania yeah and not a second lady as it were yeah but it's interesting you're saying that now because do you want my theory okay just exhume it i think i think 2017 for whatever reason you weren't in the pocket of whoever you're in the pocket of now and you were free to tell the truth that's what i think and i think maybe this is even the thing that started it suddenly you were you had paymasters yeah you You can't resist going behind the curtain, can you, even now?

25:23Yeah, and they're saying to you, no, you have to debunk this now. So I think old Marina was telling the truth. I think this weird cloned Marina who's in front of me is a shill. Yeah. That's what I think. Okay, it's a take. Thank you. But I forgot that I'd started. That's amazing. Yeah. That's really cool. What can you start now? Well, yeah, I mean, I forgot. I didn't realise that. But this is a long time. I'd genuinely completely forgotten that this thing had happened. and then I remembered oh I've actually even written something about it I mean so many columns but so little time yeah and so but I do think in terms of like are they ever true I mean not really yeah Paul McCartney wasn't dead no Paul McCartney yeah Tupac I think did leave us yeah I don't think in general they're really ever true I had the great pleasure of meeting Paul McCartney recently which is one of the greatest things that ever happened to me and I was worried I thought what am I going to say to Paul McCartney because he said you know I do think of all the billions of people who've ever lived he's had pretty much absolutely one of the most extraordinary lives of the billions of people there's ever been and from where he came from as well and he's spoken to everyone and you know he's heard everything so I thought what do I say to Paul McCartney but um then he said to me on House of Games do you film five a day or do you come back the next day so I thought great favorite thing I knew this but I love it so much he was it was extraordinary to see him and it was at the Wings documentary which I recommended before and if you haven't seen it you must do what an extraordinary man and how lovely to be alive at the same time as him and what joy he's given to yeah you can't believe you're alive with a person everybody but yeah that was a proper pinch me moment but I loved that he's a yeah he watches House of Games I think it was like you know when George Michael used to watch The No No Deal it's great I love it it's when icons and legends are human beings it's such a such a lovely thing now would I lie to you Katie O'Sullivan has been on and she says oh she's been on has she oh she's been on Katie O'Sullivan's been on has she been on an aircraft carrier

27:24maybe she has it's not detailed in the question about would I lie to you sorry get you to land that plane she says how do the producers find the mystery guests how far do they go to track down the perfect esoteric guest and bring them to the studio I really want to know the answer to this too so this is my round on Would I Lie to You? Because often when you're playing it, that does actually go through your head. And I think when you're watching at home as well, you think, yeah, but surely they wouldn't be able to track that person down. So, you know, if it's like, this is my next door neighbor who, you know, blah, blah, blah.

27:58But if it's like, this is someone I knew when I was 17, you're like, yeah, or this is someone I met on holiday. So I asked your question to Peter Holmes, who created Would I Lie to You and still runs and produces it. We must do like a whole Q &A episode. Please, can we do a special? We get so many questions about Would I Lie to You? With Peter and his lovely wife, Rachel, who produces it as well. They would answer everything. Peter and Rachel, please come on the show. Come on, Peter and Rachel. But for now, Peter has asked this one. And I apologise, I'm reading this out, by the way, but Peter has told it beautifully, so I want to tell it exactly how he's told it.

28:28Over 19 years on What I've Lied to You, we've booked 171. This is my guess, and we've probably tracked down about three times as many. We've spoken before about how this show works, is that when you're on it, you will do a research chat with one of the researchers and talk about your life, and they'll note down any funny stories. But in that, it might be one of those is like a, this is my, it's like a person who they could find. And Peter says that some of them, you know, a guest can give us a direct contact and that's super easy. But many, many of them require quite a bit of detective work. We have found people in Australia, America.

29:01We have found random flight attendants, builders, hotel receptionists, tour guys, vicars. We even found a bus driver, Barry Cryer. I'm going to give you one that stands out. It's, you know, what's the furthest they've gone. But it's interesting, they really can go and do a lot of detective work. So you can't just think, yeah, but there's no way they'd remember, like they'd be able to find this bus driver from 10 years ago. It's so incredible. The researchers will go out and do that. One that stands out, both as a great bit of detective work and a lovely moment on the show, was finding the This Is My for Rob Rinder.

29:29Now, this was an episode I was on. This is an episode I was on, and I'm sure when I was on, I thought there's no way you'd be able to find that person. So during his research chat, he told us that he had a secret crush on a school friend and that for the past 20 years, he'd used his crush's name as the basis for all his internet passwords. So I remember sitting there and thinking, okay. And then he was saying, oh, I didn't really know this guy particularly though. I just said the guy would never know. And I think, what if you don't know the guy particularly? There's no way, there's no way they've tracked this person down, but they had.

29:59So he said, Robert said to them that he hadn't seen this guy since school. He had no idea where he lived, but he had heard somewhere in the dim in the distant past that he now had a job that was and i quote peter holmes something to do with meat okay so this is the info they had they knew his name was edward and he had a fairly common surname that's all they had he did something to do with meat he went to school with rob rinder he was called edward had a fairly common surname peter says the um this is my booker for that series kimberly boke um gets on the case right so she knows that he's gone to high school in the High Barnet area.

30:35So Kimberly begins contacting anyone she could find with his name in that locale, asking if they'd been to school with Judge Rinder. None of them had. A thought occurred in the production office. If he had something to do with meat, he might be a butcher. So we took to Google Earth to stroll around the High Barnet area, looking at butcher's shop fronts to see if Edward's name made an appearance in any of the signage. It didn't. The search for other Edwards further afield began in earnest. And after lots of, this is what goes into, That's why this show is one of the best on TV, is, you know, they don't muck about.

31:05The search for other Edwards further afield began in earnest, and after lots of dead ends, one in Milton Keynes caught Kimberley's eye. A searching company's house revealed that this Edward ran a catering business called Porky and Best. Could this be Rinder's meat vending school crush? Email contact was made with Edward. Did you by any chance go to school with Judge Rinder? He did. Were you a pole vaulter? This was other information that he'd been given. That wasn't random. Then it always decides that. He was. Can we call you? You can. So Kimberly calls Edward, asks for his recollections of being at school with Judge Rinder.

31:40Edward was aware. By the way, I'm not giving his very common surname because that would give away Judge Rinder's passwords. I'm sure he's changed them. Edward was aware of Judge Rinder, but they hadn't really spoken much. He had no idea that Robert had a crush on him or that he'd been the basis for his passwords for the last 20 years. And yes, he would love to appear on the show. Once in the studio, the three panellists each made their claim as to how they knew him. Denise Lewis said that Robert had helped him to pick up and move his car after she'd been blocked in by Daley Thompson. I think I went for that one.

32:08Because it just sounds sort of thing. This is so epic. Lee Mack said he had dressed as Edward's wife to fool his son into thinking his mum has attended his school play. And Judge Wren had told the truth. David's team interrogated each story before landing on the genuine connection. The other two members of that team, Catherine Ryan and some bloke called Richard Osmond. It was a very funny and warm moment in the studio to see Robert lost for words as he came face to face with his school crush. After the show, the two of them sat together in the waltzy green room, sharing a drink or two and catching up on life since school.

32:34Edward's picture was unpinned from the production office wall and replaced with the, this is my guest for the next show. And the team headed home, satisfied that the case of Edward the meat man had been well and truly solved. That is art. It's unbelievable. I mean, they should all work for the FBI or something. Shouldn't they just? It's interesting when you think how long the Met take to bring in certain people, isn't it? I mean, they should go and work there. But I think that is just complete poetry. Isn't that great? I think it's amazing. And for a show that feels like it has such a light touch and feel, and when you're on it, does have a light touch.

33:05It's like you're walking on air when you're on that show. But as so often in television, that's because there are people behind the scenes who have done every single thing to make sure that show is going to run beautifully and perfectly and be funny and charming and warm. It's a real testament to production teams' art. Okay, it's decided we are doing a special Q &A. With Peter and Rachel. Because there's so many questions. Not least my family have got about 30 questions we want to ask. So I'll try and sneak one of those in. Thank you so much for that question, Katie. And listen, honestly, I genuinely don't care now if you've been on an aircraft carrier.

33:36That was a great question. Brilliant. If you do that question and you've been on an aircraft carrier, you are our MVP. But currently, that's still John. Right. That, I think, wraps us up for today. we are back tomorrow with the second part of our Deranged Village People special bonus special if you want to join it's the rest is entertainment.com otherwise see you next Tuesday see you next Tuesday