Bloopers, Tribute Bands and Frozen

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1:15Hello and welcome to this episode of the Restless Entertainment Questions and Answers Edition. Hello. You are? Oh, Marina Hyde. I'm Marina Hyde. I'm Richard Osmond. Lovely to see you again. Lovely to see you as well, Richard. Before we start with the questions, can I do some AOB? Yes, please. Sarah Freethy has written in. We talked last week about Katy Perry and the name of her album, 143 or 143, or 143, whatever it is. And she said, I thought I'd write because I understand you were trying to puzzle out the meaning of Katy Perry's 143. I had exactly the same question. when my grandmother passed away we found a trove of postcards she'd written to my dad and his father in the 1950s which she signed off 143 sadly they both died before her so there was no one left to ask my mum, my sister and I spent days trying to work it out racking our brains until we finally cracked it it was code for the number of letters in I love you she obviously hadn't wanted to write something so personal on a postcard so decided to put it in code instead it is our family's shorthand now we sign off all our messages that way.

2:17That's nice. Wow, that story has presumably so much more heart than Katy Perry's new album. But I love that story, Sarah. Thank you for writing that. That's lovely. Isn't that gorgeous? Yeah. 143. Yeah, well, we'll see what the album's like, of course. But that is a lovely story. Thank you. Could also stand, of course, for a Mars bar. 143, isn't it? Yeah. Unlikely. Marina, I have a question. Well, Christian Brown has a question about bloopers. How expensive are mistakes slash bloopers on movie sets to the producers or studios? Has anyone ever calculated what the most costly gag wheel is of all time?

2:52Now, that is a very good question. Obviously, it depends on how much the thing you're making is costing. And the biggest cost on almost all of these things are human. Not always. Sometimes an explosion costs a huge amount to rig, say, and so you don't manage to do it properly or it doesn't work. There's a good one of these. You know the opening of GoldenEye, where the brilliant stuntman, Wayne Michaels, who is a British stuntman, who does the bungee dive off the top of that dam. Off the dam, yeah. And at the time, I think it was actually the world record for a bungee dive. But what happens is that they didn't get the shot where the rope pays out to its very fullest.

3:28And he fires a sort of grapple hook or something else out. But they didn't get the bottom of it. It's obscured by the lip of the dam at the top. You can watch it and you'll see that they don't quite get it. But they just had to sort of take something off the second camera. And that's that because you can't possibly do it again. Because that's a huge set. That's like a three day set up. And it's unbelievable. And you just can't do it again. And it's too difficult. Now, there were other ones. There were things like in the Manchurian candidate with Frank Sinatra in it. And Frank Sinatra was a real one take guy, like literally.

3:58Two ways you can mean one take guy, which is someone who only needs one take because they always nail it. or someone who will only do one take because they want to go back to their trailer? I think in Frank's world, he was both. There's a bit where he's interrogating Lawrence Harvey. And when John Frank Hammerheimer went back and watched the rushes at the end of the day, he saw that it was out of focus. So he said to Sinatra, we're going to have to do that again. Sinatra said, you want a second take? You print it twice. So he just refused to do another take. So the out of focus bit is in the actual movie.

4:27All the critics thought it was really amazing and it communicated Lawrence Harvey's kind of mental disintegration, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, there's some other funny ones. There's a Tarkovsky film called The Sacrifice where they burnt an entire house down, but the camera jammed. So they had to rebuild the whole house. I mean, this stuff is so expensive. Like they had to do with that pub in the Midlands when they're... Well, I think they're still trying to rebuild the crooked house. Bit, bit by bit. You know, in Con Air, when the plane crashes into the Sands Hotel in Vegas, they miss part of that shot.

4:56And in the end, the way they edit it, but they actually ended up rebuilding lots of it to do it. Yeah. I've spoken to one director about an actor, very big actor and they get something to their head of the way they want to do something and you're thinking this is not going to work this is not going to be in that final movie this is going to look a mess but the actor is very very powerful and will say I want to do it this way and so you will have to spend probably half the day shooting it from every angle all the setups of that eventually they'll have a look and think yeah no you're right it doesn't really work does it so this director was saying you can spend 250 grand just getting them out of their bad idea because you've got to go along with it.

5:34It's always on the big budget things that the most expensive mistakes are made because everything costs so much. But another thing you'd say is lots of Marvel movies that don't have an Act 3 and then they have to go back and do reshoots for sometimes almost as long as what you've originally done the original film for. So that, again, the human cost, the cost of the crew is what costs. But also, if you're a sitcom, then actually they're hugely monetisable bloopers. If you go online and look at the impression counts for the American office bloopers reels or Friends bloopers reels, they are absolutely enormous.

6:05They're huge. And also they're kind of joyous to watch. We love them. Even if it's someone just getting a word wrong. But, you know, the scenes where people genuinely can't hold it together and they're laughing, you know on the day that will be incredibly frustrating because a filming day is a long day. And there's other actors who are waiting in their trailers to do their scenes. And, you know, there's a lot going on and you cannot nail this. But those things now exist forever. and are highly monetizable. And occasionally you'll see the odd thing with newer sitcoms where you think, oh, that's not really a blooper.

6:39You've just, you know, people know now that when something messes up, they're going to be on a blooper reel. Just in the old days where you'd know that you'd be on, it'll be all right in the night. Now you think, oh, my God, I can't believe I said fish instead of dish. I am absolutely crazy. And there's a little look at camera. Did you get that? Get that blooper? but so in that thing where there's no big explosions or anything like that and you can just retake and reshoot and reshoot a blooper can be very very valuable for me I'd like to see a blooper if it's a TV show but nobody wants to see all the bits where the movie went wrong played over the end of the movie I disagree I think it breaks the world in a way like if you then you go to cinema and you watch The Godfather and then you watch all the bits where everyone's laughing I wouldn't do it on The Godfather but like Cannonball Run when I went Cannonball Run Okay, yeah, you're right.

7:28If it's a comedy, fine. But Reynolds, that's the first time I ever saw those sort of blooper reels, and it blew my mind. That's still to this day why at the end of House of Games we always have a post-credits thing of someone getting their prize because I love, love, love a post-credits thing because it's like it blows my mind even now. I'm like a nine-year-old going, wait, hold on, the program finished? They've just done the credits and you're back on it? This is mental. I love that. I love it. They do it on Have I Got News For You sometimes. Not often, but every time they do, I'm like, whoa.

7:57My mind is absolutely blown. I love that. Richard, one for you about tribute bands from someone called Paul LaRondie. That is a cracking name. Wow, Paul LaRondie. You're just going to have to put all of these in your books. Yeah, Paul LaRondie. Yeah. That's Paul LaRondie rather than Paul LaRondie. Yeah. I wonder if you've had a question before from someone called Paul LaRondie, and Paul LaRondie is a tribute questioner to Paul LaRondie. This would be deeply meta. Okay, what are some of the opinions that real bands have regarding their tribute bands? Do they see them as a positive or negative thing?

8:29I think by and large, I think it can be quite useful. It keeps your music out there. They have whole festivals now where you just see Oasis and the jam, and you're like, hold on, and you go, oh no, it's all the tribute bands. But it's a fun thing to do. Tina Turner, I think, once sued one of her tribute acts. There was simply the best of Tina Turner story. And the woman who was Tina Turner was Dorothea Fletcher. and Tina Turner said, she looks so much like me and she sounds so much like me. This is going into the realm of passing off. Oh, really? Yeah, and also, of course, she was just about to launch a big live musical, the Tina Turner story.

9:03So that became an issue. If it's kind of in print, if someone's doing a big tour and getting massive and you want to do the same thing and you actually are you, I think you're allowed to say this doesn't seem quite right. But there's a long, varied history of people in tribute bands joining the real band. And Rob Halford, when he left Judas Priest briefly, he did come back. They replaced him with the lead singer in a Judas Priest tribute band called British Steel. God, I bet he was just so much less trouble. Oh, God, can you imagine? That's the thing, isn't it? So many of the bands are like, okay, Spandau Ballet, you can't keep it together, but you know what your tribute band can, so you can just see the one, you know.

9:41Yeah, and this guy's called Tim Owens. Tim Owens, the Judas Priest fan. He literally became the lead singer of Judas Priest. The same thing happened with Journey. I think there were quite a few lead singers, Journey. And when the third one left... They've had a few people leave the band for various reasons. Yes, exactly. Listen, it's a journey. And Neil Shearn, who's the guitarist, he was messing around on YouTube and he found videos by a guy called Arnel Pineda, who was the frontman of a Filipino Journey tribute band called Zoo. And he loved him so much, auditioned him, and Pineda got the job.

10:14Yeah, lead singer, Journey. the best ones believe in magic are amazing you know the point is if you're Oasis Oasis aren't going to play again the Pistols aren't going to play again the Smiths aren't going to play again so you can't go and see that but you can when Blossoms and Rick Astley teamed up to do a Smith tribute the songs are the songs so you still get to see them and if you get a tribute act who really really know their business and are great musicians then it's an amazing night out there's always there's loads of great there's Fake That there's one there's the Rolling Clones there's the Foe Fighters and Oasis have got those, there's Noasis there's Oasis-ish there's an amazing band who did bluegrass versions of ACDC songs they're called Haysey Dixie and in the end if you can find their version of I know, listen, this is a departure of Haysey Dixie, they did an amazing bluegrass version of Snoop's Gin and Juice which is well worth finding.

11:08I will seek that out There's a Yes tribute band can you guess what they're called? No. Yes, that is what they're called. They're called No. There's a Scottish Iron Maiden tribute band. You have to see this written down, really, but they're called Iron Maiden, but with the iron like Iron Brew. There's also a band called Brian Maiden. There's the Yorkshire Bon Jovi Tribute Act. They're called By Jovi. I actually want to book all of these. Yeah, be fun, right? Yeah. Yeah. Marina, Lisa Burns has a question. We talked about Mr Beast last week, and we said that, you know, he only uses his incredible sets once.

11:44They're building these enormous things and then you don't see them again. So Lisa asks, it got me wondering how green and sustainable the TV industry really is. Are these sets, for example, reused, restored or forgotten and thrown away? Oh, well, for my laugh during the actual question, I have to say that you always see signs around saying this is a sustainable production, things like that. I mean, I remember once being on set and seeing some claim about what that particular production's use of reusable coffee cups had done for the rainforest. And just thinking, yeah, someone's got the maths really wrong here.

12:15Because by the way, you're making television, okay? It's one of the worst things you can do for the planet. You go and see these sets, huge generators, the lights, everything about it is incredibly bad for the planet. And I have to tell you that very, very little of it is saved. A friend of mine worked on a film with this very famous actress who really minded about the environment. And as a result, you gave everyone on the crew a wooden toothbrush because, you know, it's not plastic. It's like, yeah, you're making a movie, OK? Don't worry about the wooden toothbrush. This is so much worse what you're doing.

12:47You've got a car in this morning, as did everyone. Yeah. And that's not the half of it. Just the creation of this piece of content is incredibly bad for the environment. Basically, think about a big studio complex in the UK. You've got lots of big black boxes that need to be emptied the minute your thing has finished. and many of them are completely full of set. So when that goes, we really would be overcrowded then because we just live in a country full of films. Very little gets kept. Some props can be kept and some things, but lots of it goes. Yeah, it's slightly different in television, I have to say, because you obviously come back, if you're Have I Got News For You or if you're Deal or No Deal, your show comes back.

13:23Yeah, and their story and everything. Yeah, and there are big storage facilities around the country that if you go into, you literally walk around and you're on the set to Family Fortunes and then you're on the set to Deal or No Deal and then you're on the set for the wheel, these things are all stored everywhere. So somewhere the pointless set is stored and House of Game set is stored away as well. So those things tend to be reused, which is good. And also they won't be revamped for about four or five series. You'll get to the point where you think we need a little bit of a revamp now, but it won't be remaking the entire set.

13:52It will be a little bit of paint here and there. And TV shows now have this standard called Albert, which is essentially trying to be carbon neutral. It's a sustainable television programme. As you say, I'm never quite sure what the figures are on that, but at least they're trying. So, you know, you've always got like a reusable water bottle and things like that on TV shows. That seems to be the main difference. And when you're an Albert production, you have to fill in things. How much water have you used in this production, like including flushing the loo? How many bits of paper have you printed out?

14:23No one ever prints out bits of paper in telly anymore. They're all there. It's all online. How did everyone get to the studio? All that stuff, you fill out in an incredibly detailed form that goes somewhere and someone does some sums. Someone plants a sapling at the end of it. Yeah, someone plants a sapling in the Blue Peter Garden and everything is okay, I think. I think that's how it works. But yeah, the sets to TV shows tend to be stored. If you ever go into the outer ring of TV centre, you literally, all you're doing, you walk past the This Morning set and sets are kind of failed pilot quiz shows.

14:55But they all exist there for a long time. and sometimes on movies they reuse things i think um it's the movie dave about um kevin klein becoming american president and the set for that was so expensive and so big that aaron sorkin saw it and said well i can use this and so the whole of the west wing is uses the same set as as things like that are useful that are bankers like you know there's a um the green benches in the house of commons that there's one of those i can't remember where they got that one up at shepparton or somewhere like that so if you're filming you tend to go to some of these places There's a few of those House of Commons around so that you can use those because then there's no point in doing that because people will use that again.

15:32Also, don't forget in the studios out at the back lots, they sometimes have things like a little town that's been built or a lake or whatever it is. And those things do stay and they try and reuse as much as possible. But if you're wondering, like, what happened to the set of Stranger Things? It fell into the upside down and they burnt it. Often you'll film on location and locations, of course, are reusable. and you see the same country houses in lots and lots of different things shop from slightly different angles. But the second you are building the inside of somebody's house and it's very specific to a character or it's very specific to a scene, I'm afraid that's not helping out the planet.

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18:08Welcome back, everybody. And here we go, Richard. Something on recurring comedians and guests. Tim T asks... Tim T? Tim T. Is that just the letter T or is his surname T? Mr T's boy. Mr T's boy. At what point do producers begin to think about how often some talent is used and how it can get quite boring for viewers? How dare you, Tim? How dare you? Yeah, that's such a good question. Firstly, who's presenting shows? Secondly, who's guesting on shows and things like that? And it's a fascinating ecosystem. For example, they're bringing back YouBet, and it's being hosted by Holly Willoughby and Stephen Mulhern.

18:47And the first thing lots of people say is, oh, have we not seen enough of them? The truth is, if you run a channel, you have very, very, very, very detailed feedback on how certain talent performs on that channel. Not only the ratings that you get, but you're constantly putting people through focus groups. You're endlessly asking people what they think of certain talent, especially new talent. and Stephen Mulhern and Holly Willoughby every single time A they're on TV and B they are tested the viewers absolutely love them. There's a chance that ITV know more about this than you? 100 % that. You know they genuinely know what they're doing so when You Bet comes back you know obviously you want to give that the biggest chance of you know I think they're doing two specials but it would be lovely if it came back for a series you want to give it its best absolute shot so stick Stephen Mulhern and Holly Willoughby on it and if you don't like them I get it but you have to understand that ITV are not idiots and that a huge amount of people love them including me in terms of who is allowed to present a Saturday night television show it's actually quite a closed shop and it's quite difficult to kind of break into that sometimes you'll break into it like pointless celebrities that was a daytime show and the show performed well so now we're allowed to be on Saturday night we wouldn't have been previously Marvin and Rochelle doing a hit list again because there's two of them they both have different fan bases and big fan bases you put them together try them out boom you're allowed in now as well but by and large it's the same people the McIntyres Romesh obviously can do stuff now on ITV Anton Deck can do whatever they want Mulhern Mulhern will be but it's it's a small amount of people and weirdly when you do try out new talent on big Saturday night shows often it doesn't work it's like it's like throwing a young player into the Premier League there's something about it where people expect faces they know voices they know they expect everything else is new so you want some form of familiarity yeah if the show is new i think also what tim t was asking is those kind of guest spots where you just feel like oh my god he's on everything he's so overexposed yeah your agent has to be thinking all the time i don't want people to get sick of my client or if my client's doing lots and lots of things the same whilst it's great to have the booking and the 10 or 15 percent there is a point where people just say i'm sick of this person being on my telly I think that's right.

21:01And the good news for people who are sick is there are fewer of those shows around now. There are fewer shows where you can be a guest on. But in the golden age of panel shows, there are certain people you know as a producer will turn up and be brilliant. So you want to book those people. And you obviously want big names. And they'll get to a point where a big name will not come and be a guest on your show. So you'll keep booking them until they go, do you know what, I've had too much of doing this. Sarah Millican would be a great example. So Sarah Millican, put yourself A in the mind of the producer and B in the mind of Sarah Millican.

21:29so Sarah Millican goes up to Edinburgh we talked about this recently suddenly starts getting a name for herself suddenly starts getting booked on TV so to Sarah Millican who did not know this was going to be a living for her she's going this is unbelievable I'm selling out shows I'm on TV shows that I used to watch people are laughing people are really enjoying it I'm selling out more shows so yes I will come on 8 out of 10 cats yes I will come on Would I Like You or Do These Shows if you're a producer you're thinking there's this great new piece of talent who every time she comes up does an incredible performance so if you're making all those different shows you all want to book her and by the way you're all competitive with each other so you're not thinking how often is she appearing on tv you're thinking i wanted to be on my tv show so as a producer you're thinking that as sarah medican you're thinking i can't believe people are asking me to be on these things this is incredible then you get to the stage with and this is how it normally happens someone like Sarah Millican goes I am on too many things now I absolutely get it I get and I know why I was and I got incredibly excited and that you know the agent also is going this is great we're so you know suddenly you're selling five times as many tour tickets as you were and everyone's happy but you absolutely get to the stage where you go I'm going to start saying no to things and you know which is what I think Sarah took up like three years off or something and I'm going to do my own stuff so that's just an example of how from a piece of talent's perspective they would think can help from the producer's perspective i just want the best people all the time channel 4 were always incredibly good with 8 out of 10 cats they would absolutely fund so many tryouts and run throughs to get new talent and new comics and that you know the job of that show really was you've got big names on it but you're also trying out new talent all the time mock the week actually weirdly after its first sort of 10 years got very good at that as well and you know bringing on the james acasters and angela barnes and reese james and people like that finding new people but yet The basic problem, Tim, is when you're a producer and you've got a show, that show, it can go wrong if you have the wrong people on it.

23:29You know, you can do an episode of your show and you think, oh, people didn't really say anything or they weren't particularly funny or they didn't meld. And when you've got people who you know for a fact are going to come on and be brilliant, if you know you can book Catherine Ryan or Rob Beckett and they're going to come on and they're going to make your show shine, that's who you book. and by the way 95 % of viewers like that and enjoy that but it is one of those delicate dances of do the producers work out that someone's been on too much usually the talent works it out first so it normally goes viewers work it out talent works it out producer works it out but at some point it always happens the talent will work it out because they're desperately sensitive because that's the nature of the person and i'll probably have just seen one comment online saying isn't someone so on tv too much and it will just crucify them and so they'll be thinking i'm on tv too much and by the way you have to remember for that person it's probably only three years after they were going oh my god i'm going to be on tv yeah this is the most extraordinary thing that's ever happened to me and every single producer is like oh who's the second that you put somebody on everyone else can have them on i love house of games because i can put people on that show who haven't been on other shows yeah and then would i lie to you can see them for a whole week on uh house of games and they can put them on and suddenly you're part of the circuit but yeah it's it's a weird sort of merry-go-round ecosystem but everyone's aware tim of what it is that you're saying there is huge competition to book people who you know are going to come along and do a great job for you and you know and are going to bring an audience to your show as well but everyone is always thinking am i on too much has this person been on too much what do you do next and And then I tell you, it's absolutely exacerbated by this fact, which is people will say, oh, you've been on TV four times this week.

25:12It's just ridiculous, you know. And you think, well, no, because you're watching Dave and you're watching Challenge and you're watching something that I did five years ago and then something I did three years ago. So literally, I mean, these shows are kind of like five years apart. I can't legislate for my presence in the highlight repeats. I can't. But you really can't. But it does actually add to that feeling of ubiquity. If you're constantly watching Taskmaster repeats on Dave, you know, that's something that someone did eight years ago. You can't blame Ivo Graham if he's also on Live at the Apollo that week because he didn't know they were going out in the same week.

25:46But people are cognizant of it. And it is tough to break into that world, is the truth. But we're always looking for people and new people to come along and be great. But, yeah, I do think it's probably an issue that is going to be less important because all those shows are only going to exist on Dave in the next few years. Marina, here's one for you. David Aiton says, my friend and I had a heated debate about this. I like a question that starts that. Although his friend had a heated debate about Frozen, David and his friend. Anna has double the amount of screen time that Elsa has, but he thinks Elsa is the main character, whereas I think Anna is.

26:23I would watch a sitcom about David and his friend. What defines a main character in a film, and can you think of other films where the main character people think of has significantly less screen time than another character. This is a good one. And I don't know, you see Elsa, she's on all the branding. But as you say, it is told through Anna's eyes. Is it Anna? Anna, yeah. Well, you know, Americans say Anna. But you can tell my kids are in their 20s. Yeah, yeah. You can tell I've seen this film 450 times. The record, I think, for the shortest amount of time, this might have changed, but I always remember that it was Hannibal Lecter who is on for a tiny amount of time in Science of the Lambs.

26:58Of course he is. He's not put in as a best supporting actor. He's entered into the best actor category, and it's one of only very few films that have won all the top four Oscars. Best actor, best actress, best picture, and best director. Anyway, sorry, that was a sidetrack. Good sidetrack, though. A good sidetrack. It's interesting. I mean, people say at the end of The Lord of the Rings, oh, it's actually Sam's story. And you're like, yeah, no, but it's not Sean. Elijah Wood is the main character in it, or whatever, in that movie. But Kristen Bell, who voices Anna, she gets credited before. Christian Bale?

27:30Kristen Bell. Oh, Kristen Bell. Kristen Bell. I got it. I wonder if they ever get mixed up. Yeah, no, I... Kristen Bell and Kristen Bell. I mean, it would be a different film with Kristen Bell voicing, I have to say. Would watch? I mean, God knows I've watched the original version so many times I've watched anything else now. Would also watch Kristen Bell as Batman, by the way. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah, she'd be a monster. Now, Shiva, who voices Anna, is credited before Idina Menzel, who is Elsa on Disney+. Things like Beetlejuice, that's a short... He's... Michael Keaton. We'll have to see what he gets in the new one.