Can You Cheat On 'Phone A Friend'?

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1:13Hello and welcome to another edition of the Restless Entertainment Questions Edition. Questions and Answers Edition. I'm Richard Osman. And I am Marina Hyde. I think that might be the best we've done. It's almost too professional. Too slick. Yeah. Now, have you got a question for me? Yeah, maybe. yeah well i don't have a question for you but i tell you somebody does john alexander okay he says i've just signed up with a background artist agency and was wondering if you have any tips to be a good background artist what we used to call an extra extra yes sometimes called essays supporting artists i've spoken to quite a few fast ods about this because i think it is interesting it's amazing how many of them say please be on time so many people aren't on time and because it's so expensive and everyone has to stand around the amount of times one of the crews or one of the PAs will have to be pulled on to do it is enormous.

2:00A first AD is the first assistant director, and they're sort of in charge of everything on set. They are in charge. It's incredibly stressful. It's an incredibly stressful job. They run the set. Someone once said to me that they have a huge pension pot, but it's very rarely claimed because it's such a stressful job. Yeah, I mean, it's bleak, isn't it? But yeah, you have to hold all the stress in you and obviously keep everyone from the actors to the director to everyone, so you're managing all of that. Now, they also said, don't feel the need to introduce us after the cast and crew when you arrive on set.

2:31And don't push to the front of the frame because you want to be in the thing. Some of these things are basic, but people do it. Think about what you're going to be doing because if you're hired to be an extra in a funeral scene or whatever, you will know what you are going to do that day. Have a think about it because then you will take the direction of the first AD quicker. Do everything that they say. Don't feel the need to freelance. But you are essential because without you, scenes would look ridiculous. I mean, try and imagine everyone on a train and then there's no one else. There's only, you know, Tom Cruise sitting in the train.

3:00It would look ridiculous. They need you there. Having said that, sometimes you run the risk of making a film look ridiculous. A director told me that there was one scene in their movie. They had 1500 extras. It was an enormous undertaking. It's a massive tracking shot. And they suddenly noticed when they did the edit that one woman had like run along and tried and is in it like five times. Painting that out is very, very expensive and very annoying. So please try to just be in it once if you're in a crowd scene rather than thinking, hang on, if I run really quickly around the back there, I can get in it twice.

3:32There are some hilarious ones. There's one that I think it's gone viral because that's how I must have seen it. Because I don't think I noticed it at the time. But once you've noticed it, never unseen. Benedict Cumberbatch in a scene in the second Doctor Strange, The Multiverse of Madness, two and a half hours, I will never get back of my life. But he's at a wedding and there's a woman behind him who's just another random wedding guest. She is hamming it up so enormously. She is chewing all the scenery, chewing Cumberbatch effectively. It's brilliant. Have a look at that one. That's a good one.

3:59There was a brilliant interview, actually, a filmmaker called Anthony Ng, and he found out about this woman who's the world's most prolific background artist. She's had a 60-year career. Anyway, she's called Jill Goldston, and she's been in so many films, and he put together an 18-minute sort of artistic film that I think they showed at the Berlin Film Festival of all of her little appearances over the years. And she's done this for so many years. I've seen it. It's really mesmerising and it's really interesting. And so I would recommend that. But just do what the first AD says and be on time.

4:33Those are the big starting points. It's true. It's one of those gigs. It's interesting because you do have to subsume yourself. You have to subsume your ego. But being part of a film or a big TV show in any way is often fascinating. And you do feel like you're part of a big gang. you know there's great kind of catering buses and just being being being in amongst the buzz of being on a production you know you're not going to be treated amazingly well but most people aren't because everyone's working their socks off all day and they need you to be in a certain place at a certain time so no one's going to kind of lead you by the hand but if it's a job that you enjoy and you and you know you're amongst other people as well it's a really nice gig to do you get to go fascinating places do interesting things meet lots of interesting people you know there's huge groups of supporting artists who keep in touch with each other and it's a job they're very professional at and also every single time anyone watches a television program because of the way we watch things now people are always looking at the people in the background oh my god people freeze framing is everything now you know people are looking at you know and actually if you ever spot someone sort of having it up like this woman in that Doctor Strange clip you're mesmerized by them you're like where are they now how bad are they being now you're like constantly looking but please don't do that don't please don't do that Jill Goulston actually said I realized that it would be it was so much more fun pretending to be a waitress and more lucrative pretending to be a waitress than actually being a waitress.

5:48So I didn't mind that I was in the background. And I really recommend that Guardian interview with her because I think it's a 60-year career and that's pretty fascinating. It's also one of those gigs where if you do cause no trouble, you're just good at your job and you get to know some of the people who cast supporting artists, suddenly you get slightly more stuff to do and you'll put slightly nearer to the actor or maybe you're given something to hold or maybe you're given an action to do. You know, over the year, you sort of gradually bit more and more, you move forward on the screen. Yes, absolutely.

6:16And you are going to be on screen. Another interesting thing that people don't talk about very often, the stand-ins. Now, stand-ins, when you rehearse a scene on a film or a TV show, you'll do it once and then the cast will be taken off set and their stand-ins, who look a bit like them, are put there so that all the crew can light it and do all the things they need to do around them. Those people aren't even on screen, but they are absolutely vital and they spend a huge amount of time doing the standing around for the actors. When you're on one of these sets, you realise that absolutely everyone there is a class person is involved in a big, big thing.

6:49There's none of those things where in some things, and I often actually think in politics, if this person was sacked tomorrow, I'm pretty sure the country would carry on running as exactly as normal. But with this, if anyone is pulled out of this process, they think suddenly the whole machine doesn't work. And you are part of that machine, and it can be great fun. That's so true, even on a TV show, if someone is late or if there's traffic or someone's ill, genuinely you can't do the show. It's not one of those ones where you go, oh, listen, it's fine. everybody you think of course we can't do the show without that person i always like it when they have to get a stand in for me if we're off doing something else and they're doing lights they have to find someone my height because you've got a light for somebody's six foot seven yeah and it's quite that's quite hard to do that so sometimes you see people on cushions well some actors become very friendly with their standards and try and get them the jobs you know to the jobs they move in many people have really great relations with their standards i also it's kind of an interesting idea for maybe a drama or comedy or something like that it's just a sort of interesting relationship but anyway but good luck as well yes and it will be it's it's a lot of fun really hard work being on a film set but can be a lot of fun as well definitely one for you here from alan briggs richard i've always wondered exactly where the friend is when a contestant decides to phone a friend jeremy clartson always says can i just check that there's someone from the program with you to make sure you're not googling an answer so where is that person well i can tell you because i was a phone a friend oh my gosh you would 100 be mine that's no question i've been a phone when i was on millionaire i didn't use my phone of friends i was knocked out i was not because i thought you know i wanted to go all the way uh so i and so i didn't i i had um sean williamson barry from east enders was one of my phone of friends because he's he's the only person who's one pointless four times uh and a guy called alan connor who was the question editor on only connect now is the the big sort of head honcho on house of games for questions there writes amazing books about crosswords and stuff so two of the smartest people I know but I was too I just thought no I I really want to save them so I went out on 125 thousand because I asked Jeremy rather than asking rather than asking the two cleverest people I know yeah uh which goes to show how clever I am uh so I was the phone a friend for uh Alexander Armstrong when he was on it yeah and it's it's it's it's pretty horrible having to be the phone a friend and you you uh nominate three phone of friends so it's could well be that you're not going to get chosen so my phone of friends i can't remember who my third one was it would have been someone young yeah that's for sure and maybe it's my daughter or something i can't i can't remember um so you're sitting there you think well i might not be used but yeah they send someone down from the production almost like a security guard to your house to your house yeah exactly so it's quite realistic yeah yeah oh it's it's it's for real and you say oh look come and have a cup of tea and they go no i i need to sit and i'll be out in the car and i'll you know and you go okay uh But you're sitting there and your phone is tested a couple of times.

9:35And then, because obviously the show is not on, it's not live. So you don't, you have no idea where it is during the, you know, the production. So you're just sitting around doing what you're doing anyway. And then suddenly the guy knocks on the door and comes in and says, oh, you might get a call in a few minutes. He said, oh, no. So I got called by Zander. And so he said, hi, Richard, Zander, I've got this question. I can't get the answer. Well, no, Jeremy says it first. so you're literally on your phone at home to Clarkson and yeah and Clarkson which doesn't always happen uh and he's saying hi Richard Jeremy here I've got Alexander Armstrong with you he's got a question he's having trouble with it uh the next voice you hear will be his you've 15 seconds or whatever it is so you're sitting in your living room with a security card next to you thinking oh my god this is awful can I read you the question because I got it wrong yes well I didn't get it wrong I didn't know I just didn't know the answer so this is let's see if you would I've been a better phone-a-friend for Xander than I was.

10:28So this was the question. Which of these famous fictional spaceships features in a film by Stanley Kubrick? Okay. Okay. Is it A, Nostromo, B, Spacecraft Discovery 1, C, Imperial Star Destroyer, or D, the Milano? Is it Nostromo? Nostromo, well, I said Nostromo as well. Nostromo was from Alien. and it was actually very well done anyone at home from 2001 it was Spacecraft Discovery 1 I should have just guessed it because I thought that was going to be it and then I thought no hang on Stromer and then of course I realised I've got it from the wrong one so yes I would have also let down Alexander Armstrong to be fair I didn't say I said look I absolutely don't know it's not a film I was not cognisant of 2001 really I certainly didn't know the name so I felt terrible but there it is and then I think he used up all his other lifelines on that question he did get through and got on to the next question that was for 16 grand oh my god so how long from when the guy knocks on your front door and says i'm going to sit outside no i don't want to socialize with you at all to when that question came i mean four hours it was a long time so you're aware of someone outside your house yeah and you're kind of and you're constantly cut you sure can i not bring you and they go mom they got their business yeah it's a weird thing so it's nice to be asked you don't know if you're going to answer it but yeah someone comes in is literally sitting with you so there's no you couldn't have looked at anything it's absolutely impossible so it's it's absolutely all above board okay here's one for you from al park or possibly the way it's written ai park yes possibly maybe this could might be our first thank you thank you ai park uh and it's uh if i'm going to do this in the voice of scott johansson no i went uh ai park says uh i have always wondered i have always wondered how long-running shows such as death in paradise or midsummer murders are able to ensure continuity when there are presumably numerous writers over the years is there a big book of character information including a record of all the traits revealed in previous episodes by the way exactly the sort of question an AI bot would ask because it's essentially saying is there anyway an enormous book of information about some TV programs that I could have and can you feed it to me and then I'll know the answer I love information now there is always a sort of inherited show memory and there are always enough people who've worked on the show for it sort of to be passed down if it's to do with the personality thing an actor will say I just don't think my character would do this in terms of things that have already happened it's part of the job of something like a script supervisor to work out that sort of thing but I do remember a friend of mine said he once saw an episode of My Family in fact he saw two episodes of My Family where one of the characters was robbed and then he saw another episode where the same character was robbed and behaved totally differently that I think is a much greater sin than thinking well hang on that's happened in Midsommar before it's when you're doing something to fit the plot so that in a way is a sort of I think that's where it's gone really wrong but in general these things are kind of you can go through the archive and work out what's supposed to happen and people and there's always an inherited memory and most shows have a thing called a bible as well and the bible will be everything that's ever happened it's the same in books actually now I'm about to start book five of Thursday Murder Club I've got a brilliant copy editor called Donna Poppy because you write so much and the books are so long sometimes you forget that oh don't forget that joy says she's been to spain before because and so it's amazing having somebody with that sort of encyclopedic knowledge who would just occasionally go oh that is something we have done or that's something that we've definitely said we can't do and yeah tv shows have the the same thing these people whose job is to be across the universe and as it's happening the script supervisor is covering those sort of things because also by the way if you have one of these things and that's what you've shot then it's too late you can't really go back yes so that is the answer to that there are sort of bibles really yeah shall we go for a break let's do that or to a break probably is the uh is the right way of saying that i'm infecting you with my poor profession let's go for let's go for a break everyone eczema isn't always obvious but it's real and so is the relief from ebglyss after an initial dosing phase about four in ten people taking ebglyss achieved itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks and most So those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

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16:23Welcome back, everybody. We're going to go straight into a question from Emma Inglis about Murder and Successful. with all three seasons of Murder and Successful being added to Netflix recently. I'd love to know any behind the scenes info from Richard. How was the experience of filming the show? If people don't know Murder and Successful, it's an amazing, one of those shows I thought, I have no idea how they got it made. But it's Tom Davis, the wonderful Tom Davis, who I love, who's the same height as me. It doesn't happen all the time. It's a sort of improvised murder mystery set in a world where everyone is a celebrity, set in the city of Successful, this sort of gritty noir they sort of film it through neon lights and rain and tom is di sleet i think he's such a mad idea yeah like and three seasons and a celebrity comes into that environment is taken into various scenes where people are playing celebrities and at the end they have to solve a murder so i had to solve a murder that involved hillary clinton uh arson wenger uh zayn malik from one direction all played like jamie dimutri playing zayn malik and uh and you know how have i not seen your episode of this ellie white as buick um and it's such a passion project for for tom davis um andy brereton who was the producer and james defrande who directed it who were all brilliant and they loved it so much so what you would do you turn up and i sort of in the industrial estate in like dagenham i think it was uh so you go there this is an enormous sort of complex of buildings and you're kind of kept in a dressing room while there's lots of stuff going on elsewhere it's a bit like taskmaster in that regard and then you walk into a room and you're in and you're in an improvised scene and you know the first scene is sleeked kind of you know talking to you and you're the new rookie cop and you're dressed in a in a cop's uniform which is really cool you know then someone comes in as gordon ramsay and starts saying this is the case someone's been murdered uh in an art gallery in my case so they've sort of got a light script you are entirely improvised there's a lot of setups they have to do during the day but i love tom and so i would continue the improvisation like way too long to that point i could really see him with his eyes just going come on man we got to get out of this and i'm going to go what does your dad think about you being a cop how is that how's that relationship and he's just going well i think probably we need to uh we need to get it well i don't do we do we need to go now sleep i wonder you know it's very important i think that relationship i think if you're a cop the sort of that kind of you know where does it come from that authority uh well listen time for that later we've got to get down to the warehouse anyway so i would uh i would be unmanageable guest much more exactly well i was really enjoying it and i've just been in the dressing room for an hour doing nothing yeah uh so yeah then you go into a warehouse and jamie dimitri with zayn malik and he's got some clues he's given you then we did an art class and you know because i just knew exactly what was going to happen they go okay you're in an art class and a model is going to come out and I thought well that's going to be Tom Davis naked okay I know it is I know for a fact that's what's going to happen there's a screen I know it's to be fair he's wearing a tiny pair of briefs but other than that he was completely naked uh and uh you know again you improv and you draw a picture and Cariad Lloyd was playing um Hillary Clinton and it's just a joy it's an absolute joy from start to finish they take such care over it I loved going in and mucking about but I really really really wanted to solve the crime as well because people rarely do on that show I think because it's so mental and you're enjoying yourself so much so if there was ever any break in filming I'd be like looking through little clues and just looking in Hillary Clinton's bag and stuff like that and then at the very end in our episode oh I shouldn't tell you what happened because people should watch it but you can watch all of them but at the end me and Tom have painted as statues were like Roman busts and you have to decide who the killer was and whether you got it right or you didn't get it right.

20:13So it's an absolutely ridiculous show. A million percent the sort of show that wouldn't get commissioned now. But it'd be wonderful if it does good numbers on Netflix if someone has another go at it. But Tom Davis, I love so much. He's such a lovely fella. So I love doing it. And there's episodes, Chris Kamara does one, Jamie Lange does one, Lorraine Kelly does one. I mean there's some really, really funny episodes. It sounds nuts but if you watch one and enjoy it i suspect you'll enjoy all of them here's a question for you marina about prime minister's questions it's from alfie bryce clegg uh who may be iai park and has worked out hold on i shouldn't call myself ai park i'll call what's her name uh alfie bryce clegg a name that a rest of the entertainment questioner would have the sort of name that's absolute textbook alfie um alfie says i've been watching pmq's camera operator kept cutting back to jeremy hunt dictating answers to uh rishi sunak as starma was speaking uh and essentially alfie is asking is there a gallery that covers parliament and are there shot choices that are being made is there any editorializing in in in the shooting of prime minister's questions right alfie this is an absolute can of worms i want you to understand that in terms of like mps thinking about how they're covered and filmed and parliament think about there are animal hollywood agents who have thought less about this it's unbelievable okay so cameras came in 1989 and there was a lot of suspicion resistance to them anyway.

21:33It is actually quite interesting how they alighten it and how they do it. The central principle is that you focus on the person speaking and you can do cutaways only to other people. This is like all by law. It's absolutely hilarious. Only to cutaways to other people mentioned in the speech. Head and shoulders only, not close-ups. And wide shots are only allowed during breaks and proceedings. It's so like, I mean genuinely, agents do not even do this they partly want you to focus on the person who's speaking as it's an archive they want a proper recording of proceedings so it's almost like a visual hands on yeah they don't they're not going for the uh bafta for best drama comedy but obviously the broadcasters have to show it are constant they used to have eight they first of all used to have eight cameras which were fixed position and they are controlled in a gallery right remotely up in a studio in milbank which is like down the road and um the director chooses the shots but that director is not employed by any of the broadcasters a company employed by parliament really yeah I mean the level of control of this is absolutely anyway these fixed camera positions provided really unflattering angles and the men were like all our bald spot show and the women said this dress is actually quite decent but it's so I've got a cleavage shot if you're a backbencher it's almost head on so they look quite normal but if you're on the front bench it's such an angle down to you and also it looks really weird and the broadcasters were like look I'm sorry this is not engaging at this angle and it would be good if people wanted to watch this and it didn't look completely mad so they went to parliament in 2012 and all like all the broadcasters made lots and you know lots of representations and they they had a whole huge committee series of hearings about this it was absolutely mad and they the broadcaster said look can we have reaction shots um and they were like no you can't we don't want to and then they they then they said well we would like to be able to film the public gallery and the broadcaster said it's pretty good if people think that this isn't this kind of hermetically sealed out of touch west like literally the westminster bubble and then the mps were like no we don't want you to film anyone in the public because they said look it's quite good to show that people come in every day and also to show the intimacy so they said no and then the broadcaster said why can't we see the divisions because this is like watching shakespeare play where everything's happening off stage it's like watching traitors basically when you don't have the round so the divisions is when when they go When they go out to vote, they said, please, can we record the divisions?

23:56Because otherwise it's like the most, the big, all the action is like, watch traitors. And then someone say, we're not going to show you the round table. We'll just tell you what happened in it. And then the MPs even said no to that because they said sometimes I like to grab one of the ministers in the lobbies, which is the place where you get to vote yes or no. And I like to have my, that's where I get my special time. And I don't get it any other time. And the only thing they would agree to was that you could film one as a mock up with not real people for educational purposes. but after all these hearings the only thing they did agree to is because of the sort of vanity of those really high angled shots that look weird is that they said okay we can have a fixed camera position behind the speaker's chair and some on the table on the sort of dispatch box near the dispatch box and that's why you get to see those things now the reason that you maybe saw Jeremy Hunt in those kind of cutaways is because Starmer would have been talking I didn't sorry I haven't seen this particular moment of joy from the chamber but starmer would have been talking any of this series at all i'm saving the box set for armageddon when we're all in the catacombs uh then i'll watch pmqs but otherwise no and so you'll see starmer and if hunt is passing him things behind then that will inevitably be in be in the shot but otherwise it is incredibly tightly controlled and they are so obdurate about changing it at all and the only reason they changed that That is because they felt it was physically unflattering to them.

25:16But some MPs as well will also know who's been picked to ask a question. Yes. And if you sit beside that person or behind that person, you will be seen. Yeah, then you don't have to go in for three weeks. On camera, yeah, because your constituents go, oh, no, that's good. Yeah. And also, another reason they didn't want to have the lobbies, the divisions, the voting shown, is because they thought people would watch and say, well, where's my MP? Yeah. They're not there. so when you see those wide shots of the chamber which in many ways are the most sort of corrosive and it's unfair because you see those wide shots and people are like there's absolutely nobody there and they're discussing really something really important like i don't know post office compensation or something like that and it's really empty sometimes they show those wide shots people are actually voting but other times they are doing other things but because they've refused to allow other types of coverage yes people have this impression that they've kind of turned up for their salary and then they they don't go in they're never there there's no one there at these important moments so in a way i do think that they should adapt but you know they were so slow to get cameras and they're they've always been very very suspicious of them it's like those restaurants you go to where the kitchen is open you can see the chefs yeah just think oh i don't want to be watched but then it's listen but you always feel very job when you can see the chef you feel that's you feel positive about it and you feel that you know normally you only see chefs behind the restaurant having a fag, don't you?

26:36Yeah. You're kind of, when you walk in by. If you can see the kitchen, you're like, well, this is going to be pretty good. There's nothing to hide here. So I think that they should adapt to it. And I do think that the broadcasters were right in terms of, you know, you don't have to make it super dramatic, like panning shot and like extreme close ups. And I mean, having said that, there was years where people watched it with all the Brexit shenanigans. You know, my children could do a John Bercow impression. I'll never forgive the conservative government for that. That moment would not be able to go, division.

27:04Peter Bowen. Yeah, Mr. Peter Boone. But you had, you know, there were so many nights where I had to watch it because some other thing that I've completely forgotten, what they all were now, indicative votes, meaningful votes. I mean, it was just a mess for three years. But you had to watch it. So it became quite obvious to people then. It's like, is this how they actually shoot it? I mean, you know, it's getting bigger ratings than a lot of shows currently. And so, yeah, I think they should adapt it. Theme music? No, nothing. I mean, they should have incidental music. Credits. Starring. Like Dallas as the opening credits.

27:37There's not a half... Yeah, with people just turning towards the camera. There's not a halfway house. I'm not suggesting a halfway house, but even a 16th way house, they could make it better and they could make it more engaging. And I think they should. Sorry, that's a really long answer. But as I could say, you know, they really care about this and they protect their image rights beyond all, like, all Hollywood ages. Well, they're worth a fortune, the image rights. Yeah. You know, Grant Shapp's image rights. I mean, he makes millions. Yeah, you've got to be. That's where he's making most of his money.

28:03Yeah. T-shirts. Speaking of Rod's made for one day and back, Richard, you have been teasing us since last week with your top three cartoon mice. Please can you share with me and the listeners your top three cartoon mice? Well, only because I want people to ask us for our top threes on things, so I think it's interesting. So this is proof of concept. All right, fair enough. Let's see if it works. Yeah. Top three cartoon mice. I'll tell you who's not in the top three cartoon mice. Mickey Mouse? No. How has Mickey Mouse been launching an entire empire? A shit mouse. I mean, if you were to say, what's the best way over the years to make like$400 billion?

28:39I tell you how. A minimum. This mouse, he doesn't do anything. Yeah. He literally just got a squeaky voice. Tell me his character. He's got a character in one movie, Fantasia. And he's got like Minnie Mouse. Minnie Mouse at least has got a bow in her hair. At least it's something. Anyway, so not Mickey. It's not Jerry, who is a complete psychopath. He is a psycho. I mean, genuinely, it's abuse. Yeah, it's really horrible. A lot of the stuff that Jerry gets up to. I like Tuffy the white mouse in Tom and Jerry the little white mouse he's a sort of baby he's rather sweet yeah sort of the scrappy do who came in but a useful scrappy do yeah so number three I'm going to say because it's based on Jerry but itchy itchy and scratchy because at least he's supposed to be a psychopath yeah you know it's like taking it to the nth degree number two Speedy Gonzalez because he used to say underlay underlay all the time and that's I remember saying it but number one there is only number there is only one isn't there the greatest cartoon mouse of all time Danger Mouse very good He was originally David Jason and then became Alexander Armstrong.

29:33Yes. The guy who was so recently let down by his phone a friend on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. And I recently found out, I can't remember what show I was on, I found out what animal Penfold is. Yes, what is he? He's like a little mole. What is he? People think he's a mole. He's a hamster, Penfold. So if we were going to do top three cartoon hamsters, which is harder, don't send that in as a question. No. He'd probably be number one. Just name any three is too hard. But Danger Mouse. All right, you can ask for your top three. I'll do a top three. Yes. I'll do a top three. Here we go. But it'll have to be like top three parliamentarian.

30:03I know. There's been enough politicians for this week. But yeah. Yeah. So send in your top threes. We'd love to have more. So that's probably us done, isn't it? That is. We will see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.

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