CELEBRITY TRAITORS: Week Two Reaction

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1:56Hello and welcome to this special episode of The Rest is Entertainment with me Marina Hyde. And me Richard Osman. Hello everybody, this is exciting. We're at your house. I know, I know. In one of the wings. The first thing I'll say is, if you have not watched the last two episodes switch off right now because we're just going to be talking about it we're going to be talking about it in depth so if you don't want any spoilers watch those episodes come come back to us but we this is a hundred percent non-spoiler free this is spoiler full this is full fat spoiler milk i mean let me just pick my jaw off the floor because we are on a cliffhanger now well before we say anything i think we're watching one of the great tv programs it is a joke how good it is everything that we wished it could be and more it's traitors but it's a great traitors that's all you can sorry the ratings are now insane the ratings for the way we don't know the ratings yet for tonight's but we know for wednesday and they were bigger than strictly which and it's midweek over seven millions only two shows that have beaten it all year one was the women's euro finals and the other was traitors the final of the uh the civilian version so this is going to go absolutely crazy in the next couple of weeks but it deserves to and it let's talk about it oh my god okay um a lot happened in the because so we've got two episodes since we last did this quite a lot has happened since we last spoke um shall we uh do you remember like tom going that seems a long time ago now maybe let's just start at the end right away quickly because i think we're all just thinking about the choice of those three to be banished yeah uh charlotte kate or um david david our stable mate our stable mate i'm not even going to wait for you because it is quite obviously should be Charlotte I think it should be Charlotte yes I think she's probably the most dangerous of those three people David I know they're sort of saying he's so he's so clever isn't he's gonna catch on us but at the moment he has he's just not a threat at the moment and a couple of people have started saying oh maybe he's a traitor so all you want in that world is for someone else to get rid of someone that's great but who's gonna get rid of Charlotte probably no one Kate is I like that they said about Charlotte on Wednesday's episode thing about her is she's so loud and so wrong and normally you want to keep those people in but but but for but you know you can sort of see that uh getting charlotte out of the way will just remove another big personality from the game they'll have to because she's wrongly back she's wrongly backed it being claire and then she'll just wheel around and do something totally totally different well that's a problem like a stopped clock that's right twice a day when someone like that is right it's very difficult to to budge them yeah and she'll she'll say a lot of stuff she is unboundaried ruth was unboundaried yes in a great way uh ruth was for all the good it did her as we've said so many times when discussing this show guys you really don't need to get a traitor early on yes and they're still yeah they're still doing oh how how bad are we at this you're not particularly bad you've only had two chances and there's 19 of you and so statistically yeah you're subconsciously you're actually playing well because you don't need to get one she ruth was she just felt like you had to say and you had to get someone i did find it it is intriguing when someone and i don't think i've seen this very much first of all i haven't seen a generational distaste like that on traitors ever normally the older people in traitors and funnily enough jonathan ross has become one of those he's 64 and the older and it's often older women get sort of patronized and sort of um coddled and what have you and we're going to come to one significant very significant older women in a bit but um normally they do in the civilian version of the format and but they don't get there's never any sort of aggro ruth clearly literally disliked jonathan not in the game but actually and i found that quite interesting she really wanted to shoehorn him almost i think into that sort of into the boomer bit of OK Boomer.

5:59And it made me realize that in his career, Jonathan Ross has sort of outrun that stuff. He's always seemed sort of youthful and like the bright young thing. And suddenly you think, oh, you're like an elder statesman now. And she really didn't like it. And what I find interesting is over the last few days, I've seen him, he's gone on a podcast and said, oh, I didn't like it. I didn't like being traded. I didn't like having to do the lying. I think he's nervous about, because as we said all along, it's a risk for celebrities to do this format because celebrities can you know go up as well as down in the public estimation and you'll i think we're already seeing a little bit of a rear guard action there with him saying i didn't like i didn't like all the lying it's tricky isn't it i do think it's again the fascinating thing about this being a celebrity one that's what i'm always interested in is what is it about them being celebrities that makes this a different series jonathan in any regular series of this as a traitor has literally not put a foot wrong.

6:53He's playing it brilliantly. But because he's Jonathan Ross, he is put in an almost impossible position because Joe Marla, for example, is able to say, they're going to put one of the big dogs up against each other. Jonathan versus Stephen. Oh, we've got to have a whole dedicated section to Joe Marla's theory. We will get onto that. But what it means is Jonathan's already starting with a disadvantage because they're sort of true. You do sort of think, well, somebody like Jonathan will be a traitor. They talk about him like he's Klaus of it. I mean, it's ridiculous. He's like, you know, Bismarck.

7:25No. But in the regular series, you don't know at that point. You can know who's older and who's younger or who's got a certain background and who doesn't, but you don't know who the alphas are at that stage. You don't know who the people, you know, but whereas he is copper bottomed from the second he walks in and that puts a target on his back. I find it very difficult to work out how he could have played it any better. and yet immediately he's in big trouble whereas Alan and Kat seemingly seem to be in absolutely no trouble whatsoever they seem to be in the opposite of trouble yeah I mean at the end when he said um is it just me or is this getting easier Jonathan I was like it's just you um tick tock anyhow um moving on to someone like Stephen who again has even more you know people say oh David's brilliant he's so clever they sort of have been told that they know that a bit but Stephen is like everyone's idea of the cleverest person he's just sort of like that kind of national baseline especially when David Ola Shoga said he's the cleverest person we've ever met well this is something Tom Bailey should have realized that you know again you don't need to catch a trade at the start and there's a premium or looking why do you think Stephen is bumbling around looking like an absolute idiot I am assuming on purpose because he isn't one and kind of becoming that person who just says oh i don't know this is so difficult you know that will take steven quite far but he can never win because ultimately in my view by the way if he does win then i'm very happy to say oh my god don't trust me on everything ever again that's the great thing about traitors is you never know but yes it would sort of be difficult for him to win yeah because eventually suspicion will fall on him because people will just think he's too clever not to be a traitor it's it's there's no logic to it but also particularly because he will you can see occasionally he he is he is attempting to lead people in a clever way he's made two comments one in the previous week where he said you know he talked about sherlock holmes and said you know don't forget in the evidence of any evidence whatsoever you know we're actually playing a different game here to and everyone of course ignores it and goes yeah but i think tamika looks um and then this week he said i mean we could just ignore what claudia said and we could all just vote and not talk because what he's basically saying is we get this wrong when the wisdom of crowds although they do heard far less than the civilians oh my god there was like eight votes in a row which were which were all over yeah especially when he got someone like celia around you just i mean she could literally go for anyone staying with steven yes he will start to um control but in a in a different way to the obviously because he isn't a traitor he understands the assignment which is that they don't need to catch anybody and actually just bumbling under the radar yeah is by far the best game plan for him just get the numbers down get the numbers down and then you can start seeing what's going on but it's amazing you know because and this one i think this is might be in the british one the best group of contestants we've ever had firstly because they've already seen quite a lot of series of it and secondly there's something about the way their tv minds work that really really helps them out there are very few people in there that think like regular contestants there's the odd one or two which is just now i've got a feeling i'm going to go with my gut on this so there's there's the odd one or two person who play like a regular traitors but most of them are kind of going no what is going on here it's amazing how many good game players there are and you know if you look at the interviews with either of the joes you look at you know the cd any of these people say that But Joe Marler's comment, his theory is by far the most intelligent theory that has been floated on the screen.

11:00Namely that the big dog theory immediately became christened. Jonathan probably has been put in as a traitor and Stephen as the sort of homes to his Mariati. Yes, or one of them definitely has. And at the moment, it looks like they would go for Jonathan before they went for Stephen. So actually, that's going to work very nicely because it's not like they're going to go for Jonathan. He's a faithful. So it must be Stephen. Yeah, he's going at, Jonathan's going over the Reichenbach Falls in this particular analogy. I agree. It feels like you're going to. Well, Stephen kept saying, you know, that somebody is working as, you know, a brilliant mind, a sort of fiendish mind.

11:35It's like, oh, get over yourselves. You don't really need Moriarty against you for this one. I know. Like, the traitors must be so clever. You think, I mean, there's 19 people you've only voted out to. I mean, it's not like the hardest thing in the whole world. If they'd literally done nothing, then statistically, you probably would have voted out too faithful. like no no one's really putting your strings all that well and the only things they have done is you know alan getting rid of paloma which instantly makes people think oh maybe it's the only thing that's made people think it might be alan and then jonathan getting rid of ruth which has made everyone think maybe it's jonathan so the only two really big moves they have made have drawn suspicion on themselves so it's not like yeah they're not like the greatest geniuses of all time but it's impossible to be at this stage um sorry you've just said his name and I can think of nothing else my immense love for Alan Carr which I thought couldn't get any bigger has discovered an entire new wing with this series absolutely fair play to whoever decided he should be a traitor because he's a left field choice and he is unbelievable I want to talk about every I want to talk about two things with him I want to talk about him as a player and as a booking because he is acing it as both and I think that's actually I tell you what it's great when people understand that they are on an entertainment show and that you are singing for your supper not only is he and some of the stuff how quick he was you know when Jonathan came down and someone said oh it's like is that your Flintstone costume he was like yabba dabba don't and I thought my god you're doing that you're also he also understands that thing which I think is you know he sings for his supper he has a sense of occasion he understands he's on a light entertainment format some of them are really vanishing even people who in other formats you've seen on a panel show you've maybe seen their stand-up whatever it is it's like yeah you're nothing here at the moment and you're not really grabbing hold of it he is completely dominating it in in an entirely authentic way but he also does understand i sometimes think of it when i was watching i was thinking this is a little bit like question time stay with this yes because you've got the audience where you're doing it you've got the studio audience and you haven't questioned and then you've got all the people back home and something that might get a clap from the studio audience the people back home might think and as we said it does matter how celebrities behave on this format because their careers are i don't want to say at risk because nothing terrible is going to happen but they can go up as well as down and something about the way he see i mean he is everything he you know is it meredith brooks i'm a bitch i'm a lover i'm a child i'm a mother i'm a saint i'm a saint and i'm not ashamed okay he is the full threat and when he absolutely He completely fronts up to Celia as well and says, well, you put my name on the slate.

14:14And that is not his personality type. That's him thinking, this would be a lot of fun if I said this. Yeah, because he understands. But he's also giving the audience something, the audience at home, which is, as we talked before when we were talking in the Q &A episode about trying to think of these things as fiction and that their heroes or anti-heroes are trying to get their goals. What he does is he's shown you a journey. Think of him going to pieces at the start. That feels quite a long way away now. like he's becoming you know it is like breaking bad or something like that you know you but you're becoming a kingpin or you're becoming if you'd said within three episodes one of these two men jonathan or alan will be almost unassailable you wouldn't say alan has absolutely grown into he's he's like an accountant who's accidentally been made the head of a mafia family and everyone's gone oh this is he's not gonna be able to handle this he's just an accountant he's not gonna be handle the violence uh and within kind of a year he's just killed everybody yeah exactly it's like a scar it's like scarface it's hilarious but um but and also but also like an ordinary person who's thrown into extraordinary events and he's just done it brilliantly um and it's i just find it incredibly impressive and i do find that thing of not going to pieces and remembering that you are on an entertainment format and that's very very impressive it's a brilliant booking as well as a brilliant player.

15:31Jonathan, I felt a little bit for because he suddenly has put himself in a position where someone is accusing him of lying. Okay, so not only do I have to defend myself as a traitor, I have to defend myself as a television personality now as well, which is a slightly different thing. And as you say, it's actually more valuable to him than his status as a traitor. Yeah. If he's just a regular punter playing the show, then winning is absolutely everything. Whereas for Jonathan, he would rather be voted out and loved than win. absolutely and be hated because because the the win is being loved but what an able partner he has in cat who's just she doesn't put her foot wrong she's and she's like a cat yeah yeah she's got that thing where she says you know maybe because i'm quite young and quite she knows herself very well actually quite a lot of celebrities don't necessarily know themselves in the same way and they don't necessarily see how they might come across and and i she really knows herself and thinks oh i will always be underestimated and that's great so i think i think we'll get on to who we think is going to be um voted off but it feels like jonathan's journey will be cut short it feels i can't work out how he's going to survive another it's unsalvageable two or three even the medium term i think he sort of knows that as well you can there's a few people you can throw under the bus so if and it feels like he will definitely be kicked out before alan or cat and so we will be in a situation next week presumably where alan and cat have to recruit at that stage two very strong traitors in alan and cat let's assume their strength remains for a couple of episodes who is it that they can bolster themselves with who could take at least one of them through to the uh the end of the series because it's going pretty quickly i won I mean, I'm finding her absolutely mesmerising.

17:24And this is Celia. Yes. Because she, I mean, it's terrifying because there's an element that she's so unpredictable. Yeah. I don't think anyone thinks it's her particularly. I mean, she has been nominated a couple of times. Yeah. Just as a sidebar, I have to say, the Thursday Murder Club is about not really underestimating all the people. It's just like, oh, I'm given the role in the movie. Yeah. She's like a walking marketing campaign for the entire concept of your world. Having known her now for a little while and love her very much, she is genuinely entirely unfiltered. In the way that lots of people go, the thing about me is I'm unfiltered.

18:02And you go, well, are you? She really is. She literally will just say whatever she wants at any given time. And she loves getting a reaction. She loves mischief. She loves trouble. And what a room to be in when you like all of those things. She also slightly knows she's untouchable for a bit. She understands the status that she has, and it would be very, very hard to get rid of her. So she knows she's got free reign, just for a little while, just to mix it up. I feel she's too unpredictable to get that third spot when they have to recruit. Yes, agreed. What do you think, before we narrow it down then, are the key attributes for that third spot?

18:39Is it just someone you would never suspect, or is it someone who... I mean, there are dark horses in this, like someone like Lucy Beaumont, who, again, we always say there's a stupidity premium. She's not stupid at all. No. But she can create a mood. She can create the image of being that. She can create a vibe of stupidity. And there are certain people like that. What do you think are the attributes that are best in the recruited traitor? Well, if you're thinking about someone, there are stages of the traitors where if you bring someone on, you need them to do two things you need them to keep you safe for maybe two banishments and then you need to throw them under the bus so you need somebody who can do both of those things that has a hint of suspicion about them but also a hint of solidity but they also normally need to be suspecting you as well because it's the only way if you can't murder them for one reason or another it's quite helpful to just say okay now you work for us in in some ways joe marler would be an amazing um traitor but i genuinely think and i'm sure joe would agree with this i think he would go to pieces if he was a traitor i don't i think he you can see he has such a moral core that the very act of being a traitor i think might be too much for him do you have to do you have to recruit steven because basically otherwise people will retain him and just already psychologically thinking of him as the you know to go back i don't know i think it's too obvious i think i think i think you just murder steven at some stage i would go for lucy or joe wilkinson i think yes i think i would probably too can we talk about shields are they all deferred and sort of gave steven a shield yeah what what was all this about did i i felt like i missed a seven second lacuna of the show and fully misunderstood shields when shields first came along i thought oh this is just some pointless silly gimmick that i don't you know it has become a brilliant way of and people's behavior over them yeah they're such a sort of hot potato people think if you look happy to have one then you are a traitor i know if you and if you give it up that means you're a traitor it's one of the great illogical illogical leaps of the game the other one is if someone writes your name on the board whoever that person is must be a traitor because they've suspected the saintly you Yeah, exactly.

21:00And you know for a fact that you're faithful. So therefore, that's one of the great logical fallacies. And that's what Stephen said. There is no data. There is no data. So you try and find data. You try and find patterns. You're just looking for anything. And actually, the only thing there really is, is listening. That's the only thing you can ever do. And just listening to tones of voice and stuff like that. I thought Jonathan had a big tell when he said corroborate instead of corroborate. And I just thought you were really nervous at that moment. And you said the wrong word. And he's so obviously, he's sort of so famously kind of loquacious and doesn't make mistakes.

21:37Being on that show, I mean, it'd be so hard. There's so much going on all the time. And you're aware that you don't want to be accused of anything. But you're also aware you don't want to accuse anyone else of anything, really. I mean, the best thing to do is say nothing at all. But you can't even say nothing at all. So what can you do? As we said last time, if you're a comedian, actually, there's a number of moments where Joe and Adam were able to absolutely deflect to quite difficult questions. Yeah. Because they could just be funny. And it goes away. It goes away immediately. And that's a very, very useful thing to do.

22:07But it's hard to know what to do. You know, when they're saying to David on the show, when they're saying, yeah, you've been very quiet. You think, yeah, he's just been put in a house with Jonathan Ross, Claire Balding, Alan Carr, Celia Imry. What do you think he's going to be? He's an historian. Yeah. He's not Larry Grayson. He's done very little history. which should be the rejoinder why don't you wait for there to be like six or seven people and see if maybe he's got a few things to say for himself but if you were put in that room you might also be quite quiet and if you weren't quiet people go it's a bit weird we've got alan karr and jonathan ross and you're you're doing all the talking but this herding thing is interesting because it is as you say you're always interested in how they're different to the civilians the civilians understand or whether they understand either way in what happens is if the result is they tend to herd everyone says i came in with one idea tonight and you've swayed me whoever paul because you're saying this about somebody and then they all herd round and you you do get a few you know outlying votes and things like that on wednesday i think the first eight votes were for different people and tamika went out on three votes which i mean that's tough but it is that thing of they're not herding and they are willing to back themselves but we're not hearing but i think they're not hurting for other reasons as well i think they're being asked to commit and feeling like they're committing to some kind of pylon it slightly reminds me of um people always say when once a prime minister has ever done a reshuffle that's your you know you just become weaker because you have more enemies on the back benches every time you have to say something it's almost worth it to them to say a different name every time and not actually which is a form of not committing rather than being one of the like those civilians who just come back every day and say well i'm sorry i'm still going to say i think it's jonathan i think it's jonathan night after night they're not doing that they're dotting around which is a which i genuinely think is a psychological sort of failure to commit for reasons like that they just think they understand popularity in a different way to the game players in the civilian version but i was literally just thinking as you were saying there what on earth are we thinking saying joe wilkinson or lucy to be who we'd recruit because if it was uri you know who we'd recruit nick yes of course sorry what are we talking about you know what because even here yeah going under the radar yeah yeah you know and yeah he's so utterly charming he's such an amazing game player when they did the task when they're having to unlock all the chains and you know they normally edit those so there's like two seconds left at the end and because they've got Nick who understands how all puzzles work and then they've got Joe Marler who can make a pulley work really really really quickly they're like five minutes 17 seconds I've never seen a task because the way they do all of those tasks is they'll play it through like loads of times with researchers they'll see like the longest time it took the shortest time it took they were like you know they'll go we need it to take it's 20 minutes so we need it to take 18 and a half to 19 minutes 45 seconds that's that's what we need and they would have worked out the fastest time anyone ever did it and they go oh actually when this because that took you 22 minutes so we just need to make that clue a tiny bit easier and we'll make this pretty thing a tiny bit uh easier the fact they did it in 15 minutes 30 seconds tells me you're right nobody nobody in any rehearsal had got close you got these two to that time very different outliers yeah yes Yes, you're quite right.

25:31It should be Nick. And you'll see what... Because also, what you can do then is draw on that brilliant strategic and quizzing and kind of, you know, that kind of a brain. And then eventually you can throw him under the bus by saying, you see, Nick, we all know that Nick is actually... And what's emerged is that he's of a special form of genius himself. Because he's been very quiet. Yeah. For a man who will have seen every single angle of every single angle, he's certainly not letting us inside his body. He'd be more brilliant conciliary. You know, he's like Gabriel Byrne in Miller's Crossing. Yes.

26:05And then unfortunately he has to end unhappily. But yes, that's what they could do. Because I mean, I think you would just try and draw on him. Because eventually he's going to work it out presumably quicker than everyone else. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But who's going to go in the next episode? So we have David. He's been quiet, hasn't he? We have Charlotte. And we have Kate, who was the kind of first suspected person. and everyone seems to have gone cold and suspecting Kate for now. But who do we think? She had a little drive-by from Alan. I mean, everyone, he is genuinely extraordinary how he's turned into an arch villain.

26:42I'm here for every nanosecond of it. I literally couldn't love him more now. It's hysterical. It's brilliant. Brilliant. So we think Charlotte. Yeah, she's a liability. You just don't know what she's going to do next. She's a liability. if there's a grenade in the room you throw the grenade out yeah the production design is unbelievable it's it's i love that they finally cracked the task and they just because you've got the shields the shields work beautifully and then just making it a sort of folk horror thing every week every single week and yeah like a sort of a dark twisted version of the like the triwizard egg thing from harry potter or anything in a cloak and a mask when they were dragged out of the Range Rovers in the woods by people with moss.

27:27You were generally thinking, oh, this is like a Norwegian horror movie. Everything is like a sort of grim Scottish Midsommar. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's so good. The gothicness and also because it aligns perfectly with Claudia's kind of persona for the show. Yeah. And it just all works. And it is, even while it's gothic, it is also hysterically camp, which I love. Who haven't we talked about? We haven't talked about, And he was a very interesting case in these two episodes. Mark Bonner, who I like very much, but he absolutely had that actor thing after he'd accused Tamika and he got it wrong. He absolutely went in on himself and was so self-flagellating to the point that it's going to...

28:10That'll get him into trouble. Like he did on Kate, who had to then say, I'm a terrible ham. Yeah. But it leads to something because her screen time keeps being... And then we saw the cabin and then we were like, oh no, this is so gross. You know, it's one of those things. So I think she is going to have to pull out and do more in order to sort of resist the attention to the group. And when he came down to breakfast the next day, he goes, oh, I barely slept. And as Ingrid said, yeah, you had a massive, like almost a pint of red wine after the bathroom. I noticed that. Of course you didn't sleep, mate.

28:47I mean, you had a shield, so it wasn't that. There is no judgment here, by the way. No, oh my God. We would have had a bottle. I would drink so much in that castle. Yeah, there's no judgment here. Yeah. The Joe and Joe friendship I like very much. Oh, I love that. That's a great double act. Yeah. Just so sort of unexpected.

29:07You'd think that could, I mean, that could develop into a youthful alliance. Yeah. And almost become something worth splitting up if you were recruiting. So I think I have to think about that. And Joe Wilkinson is another one like Alan who understands he's in an entertainment show. Yeah, completely. And will do jokes. And yet equally has that very, very specific Joe Wilkinson persona, which he somehow makes fit the game, which I find quite interesting. To be able to be yourself, it's very, as we said, it's very difficult for Jonathan Ross to be himself because he is someone who, you know, by nature of the day job, controls events.

29:43And it's just really, whereas Joe Wilkinson is lost in a mad world. So it's easier to adapt that persona to the game. Now, shall we talk about Claire leaving? So we had a couple of questions actually from listeners saying, do you think anyone contractually said, I will come and do Celebrity Traders, but I'm not allowed to leave till like episode four or something like that? And definitively not. No way. Couldn't do it. No way. Literally impossible to do. I'm not saying there won't be the odd agent who asked for it, but definitively not. Who's with Avalon? Yeah, exactly. But Claire is the first of the kind of national treasures, if you like.

30:20And they couldn't care less. They just went, you know what? We're absolutely getting rid of her. That thing of... I find the talking of national treasuredom, treasurehood, a little could border on the distaste for. It's shorthand, though, for Alpha, I think. I know. In this instance. It's shorthand for that. And by the way, I don't think Claire would ever say she's a national treasure. I don't think she was described as well. So that's my shorthand. It's the general, it's the talking about it. Okay, instead of National Treasure, I will use the word big dog. Yeah, big, yeah. She was the first of the big dogs.

30:55She was too forthright though. Well, I think when you centre in on someone like Jonathan, there is always a blast radius. You can't be kidding. Like my granddad said, if you're called to a fight in a pub, make sure you're second through the door. And Claire, I think, was first through the door. Claire and Ruth, and look what happened to both of those. so I think yes both of them had a similar sort of thing where they said I'm going to say exactly what I think I'm going to be nice to everyone I'm going to say no no no okay you need to spend the day slagging someone off in order that you can build a definitive alliance and then you do it and then they will herd behind you although this lot don't herd so much at the moment they don't I felt bad for Jonathan with the alliance things whether he said it or not it was he was literally just being driven there he didn't even know he was a traitor why didn't he just say yeah I don't even know if I said that or something Well, I think once you say I didn't once, because I think it hadn't occurred to, I think he just, that thing of when you are slightly falsely accused.

31:49He was just saying, oh, you're fine, listen, we're with you. He was just being nice to two people who were saying we don't know anyone. It's just a random thing he said in the car. A random thing he said in the car. And it gets brought up. And then he, so he immediately is defensive. Well, she must have, therefore I think that, you know, plotline's plotline. She didn't like him for other reasons. And that became something that was used as a sort of retrofitted as a reason. Just to reiterate, this show is so good. oh my god it's just a joke how good it is yeah it's really great i'm so pleased and it gets better every time and it is different as a celebrity format and we're just seeing all the different ways and the sort of different branching yeah all outs of it all i'm already so excited for the second series i mean this one hasn't even finished you know like when you're eating your tea and you can't wait for tomorrow's tea yeah it's like that you just think it immediately almost anyone you can think of you're like oh my god they would be amazing and celebrity Traders 2.

32:39It's absolutely brilliant. It's thoughtlessly done by Studio Lambert, by the BBC. It really is. I couldn't. It's great. And just like a massive midweek hit. I mean, a genuinely enormous hit. Yeah. Like a proper universe-sized hit in the way that we don't have hits like that anymore. Yeah. And it's only going to get bigger as well. And it gives us the opportunity to do this as well. Which I love. It's such fun. I wish I didn't have it on year-round. we just talk about we just do this we just like to do it every week yeah I'd love to do that me too but it's magnificent I hope you're absolutely loving it we'll come back and do more next week oh my god we're definitely going to be back next week I've got a lot to get out thank you so much and thank you so much for watching or listening however you do it and I can't believe we've got to wait a week it's a lot well it's six days so that's just I suppose so that's just six more sleeps yeah six more sleeps okay we'll see you back here next week.

33:38See you next week, folks. Bye.

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