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22:31So Peter Andre then hatches a plot to pretend to be this imprisoned Jamaican gangster in order to make money. Go to Jamaica and get back his ill-gotten gains from some other Jamaican gangsters. Exactly that. All he has to do. All he has to do, and this is, again, if you ever want to know what an elevator pitch is, this is all it is. all he has to do is to convincingly pretend to be jamaican sound jamaican act jamaican whatever that is he has to be convincingly jamaican and our film sort of like an eliza doolittle for the caribbean where he has to i mean that's kind uh yeah it's peter andre in a raster wig doing a sort of patois doing patois yeah now this is a film i wish i could have bought you an executive producer credit on.

23:22I would have, why did, and by the way, I'll come to that. How did Richard get cancelled? I'll come to that in a minute. On my exec producer credit. No, I wish I, I wish I, no, on the whole financing of something like this because I think that's interesting. But we should say, okay, it is by a black writer-director called Freddy Krueger and Rucker who is a former bodyguard and possibly has some claim to having been involved in some way with the Wu-Tang Clan. Was he? I don't know. I mean, it's one of those things that a lot of people claim to have invented the hovercraft. I think quite a lot of people, when you've got a collective of simply that size, you're able to sort of say, but who knows, perhaps, perhaps.

24:03So Freddie and Wacker is the sort of Sir Christopher Cockerell of the Wu-Tang Clan. Yeah. Yes. Okay. That's one for hovercraft enthusiasts. And they have shot on location in Jamaica. It's supposed in a bit more than a week to be having its world premiere at something called the Gold Coast Film Festival in Australia. But it's fair to say Richard has not met with universal delight, the trailer. Yes, Peter Andre on social media tweeted out, do you still tweet things out? You probably don't. He TikTok'd out the trailer to what he hoped would be great acclaim. It did not go down well, the idea of Peter Andre pretending to be Jamaican in a comedy crime caper.

24:48It's not literally blackface, but it sort of is in another way in the sense that, yeah, if you're wearing a wig, a raster wig and doing a pat-a-op, yeah. But there isn't actually, as far as I can work out, any makeup involved. But other than that, it certainly teeters on a form of blackface. And there's lots of black creatives have written to various people saying, you know, they've written open public letters saying they're not thrilled about it. Yeah. The director has, he's got, can you just tell us about his earlier films? He's done a number of films, Friddy Nwaka, and they're all quite high concept.

25:25I'll give him that. There's one about a team of bank robbers who hide out in a haunted house and essentially get haunted. That's quite a fun caper. Again, quite a fun... He's a good paragraph picture, this guy. And then his most recent one was called... Which is the one I've seen. I so want to hear about this. Which is called On the Other Foot. And it's about a racist man who overnight becomes black and sees the error of his way. He's essentially sort of an EDL member who goes to all the meetings and... But done as a comedy. Oh, very broad comedy. although listen it's got a social heart he goes to the dentist and he won't have an Asian dentist his daughter brings home a black boyfriend and he literally faints by the way in the dentist scene the guy just says I'm just going to reject you it'll just be a little prick and he goes who are you calling a little prick oh okay that's alright that can still work as a joke can it okay that's fun so I watched the whole of this film it's fairly extraordinary can I tell you who's in that film by the way because on this whole Jafaken thing, the one thing Peter Andre said is, I'm delighted to be making my movie debut.

26:38And I tell you now, Jafaken is not his movie debut. I can tell you as well, because I had a little look at something else, and I wonder, but he's in this, is he? He's in this. He's in On the Other Foot, Peter Andre, as is junior Andre, his son. Peter Andre in this plays a member of the EDL. So he's in this. What can't he do? What cannot he do? Sorry, what can't he do? The range of it. Yeah. He's not getting typecasts, which I love. Okay, so I wouldn't watch this film. I would say that it's not something you need to spend 90 minutes on. What I will say is a number of things about Freddy Nwaka. It's really hard to get a movie made, and I'm fascinated to know how he got these movies.

27:16And he's had a whole load of them made, with a majority black cast. Yeah. With, you know, he's getting stuff done, and he's getting stuff made. I watched the whole of On the Other Foot and I absolutely cards on table I did not enjoy it as a cinematic experience at the very end when the racist white guy is talking to the EDL members and talking about the error of his ways I thought you know what this film has got a lot of heart it really has, it had a great message it had a real heart and this is a guy, I was looking at Freddie's IMDB and if you want to know how hard it is to be black British in this industry, his first five credits as an actor were all Bouncer.

28:03All of them. Bouncer or Dorman. All of them. That was all he was playing. And so he's gone off. He's written all these films. He's got these films made. He's cast them with British actors. And he's put them out there. And that's more than a lot of people do these days. I'll say that. I didn't hands on heart enjoy it. but it did have, it's got a lot of heart, I will say that, on the other foot. It's something, it's not even one of those it's so bad it's good type of, it's just you slightly feel uncomfortable watching it, I would say that. But at the end I was sort of... One for the poster. Yeah.

28:39I was cheering Freddie on at the end, I have to say. Well, okay, so a film has got made and it's going to, you know, in a week or two, it's going to this film festival. I'm sort of, should we talk a bit now about the economics of how these sort of things happen, and how they get off the ground. Even if you look at the trailer of Jafaken, obviously we haven't been able to see it yet, it is having a theatrical release, by the way, 20th of May. As far as I can work out, it is having a one-day theatrical release, which is interesting, and we can talk a bit more about that in a minute. So if you look at the end of it, it's made by Noaka Studios, so that's obviously his thing, an entity called Andre Films, which, again, I'm interested in.

29:22Then there's something, it was distributed by something called Epic of Entertainment. Now, that was only incorporated last month as a company. I mean, it is an industry and it always has been filled with, some might say chances, other might just, people just might say people, you know, with the sort of gift of the gab. And I would say that the person who's running that distribution company, it says, is described by herself as a business mogul who has sought to create a complete solution for the media and entertainment industry. She's got a talent company, a model company, a films company, another media company.

29:54Then it's one other producer, which is called Devil One Entertainment. Now, they describe themselves as film investors, but they also do close protection and security. Oh, wow. And if you look at the website, it's really interesting. It's like, we invest in film, but then it's mostly bodyguard stuff. Now, that is interesting because those people are often around the industry a lot and they see a lot of things and for whatever. Now, in some ways, it feels like a period piece, this movie, because there were a lot of movies that came out about the sort of turn of this century that genuinely you thought, how on earth?

30:26They were trying to make it a bit like, in the wake of Britpop, a sort of Brit flick industry. That sort of post-Guy Ritchie, there were a lot of films that were getting enough finance to be made. Which were so, so bad that you couldn't honestly, they would take something like£700 at the box office, with things like The Sex, Lives, The Potato Men. I mean, they had quite famous people in these ones. That's Mackenzie. Yeah, Mackenzie and Johnny Vegas, I think. It was discovered rather later on that a lot of films were, in fact, elaborate schemes where you could invest. They were tax evasion schemes.

31:03The film itself was immaterial. It was a sort of almost like a producer-style thing. If you invested 150K, you could get a million pounds tax relief, even if it flopped, which accounted for a huge... I'm not saying that specific film. And I'm certainly not saying this Peter Andre film. But anyway, HMRC eventually closed that loophole. I'd watch a film about that. Yeah, the closing of the loophole. About a plucky HMRC guy played by Jason Statham closing a loophole. There are still lots and lots of questions. I've spoke to some various people in the industry about this. Now, some people say, lawyers can say to you, that if you submit a budget and an account to HMRC and you say, I'm going to make a movie which has theatrical release for£2.5 million, you get£500 ,000 of tax credit.

31:49So£2.5 million is the threshold at which the government... It's a very good thing in order to bring work into the country. You get tax relief on budgets over£2.5 million. They'll give you£500 ,000 of tax credit. Now, if you make that film, not for£2.5 million, but for£400 ,000, you've already made£100 ,000 and you've still got a film that you might be able to sell. Okay, now that's a very crude version. Now, this is before you factor in what still happens to a huge extent. There's always some sucker who wants to be credited as a film producer who would put something in. There's a rich kid who thinks he's going to play this for a business.

32:26And there is criminal money that comes in. There's cash that people want to launder in various different ways. And there are lots of producers working now who have lots and lots of films going. You kind of need lots because you need to move it all around the accounts all the time to show that you're making a£2.5 million film, even though you're not. This is amazing. And they also exist in the US. By the way, I am not saying that Peter Andre's film is quite high profile, ridiculously because it's got Peter Andre in it. So it's a little bit too... It wouldn't be high profile if he hadn't released that trailer and everyone had gone crazy.

33:01Now we're talking about it as well. I suspect you wouldn't have done that if the whole thing was an elaborate tax dodge. No, but over 500 films last year claimed this UK tax credit, saying they're intended for theatrical release. Now, only less than 250 are theatrically released. So you tell me what all of these other productions that are happening are really about. Of course they're about the work, Richard, but are they actually? But if you were to release it for one day in one local cinema, would that count as a theatrical release? Yes, that counts. There's no greater obstacle than that? Selected theatres.

33:42And, of course, then, again, what we can talk about a little bit is this Gold Coast Film Festival. Now, the Gold Coast Film Festival will be like all film festivals, but not like the huge ones like Cannes and TIFF or Toronto, which is a whole separate thing. But there are lots and lots of film festivals around the world that get local government funding, and in order for them to exist, they need to have a certain amount of films that will be premiering there. It's this whole sort of ecosystem and they need to have a certain amount of awards that they will give out at those things. There are definitely prizes for all at some of those smaller film festivals.

34:13Oh my goodness, some of the prizes you can get at the Gold Coast Film Festival are like Best Australian Independent Film, Queensland Screenwriting Award, the Best Australian Web Series, Best International Web Series. There are a huge number of awards just at that one film festival that you've never heard of, sorry, unless you're running it. And also, again, I'm not saying this about the Gold Coast Festival, but a lot of the film festivals are money-making things, which is you pay to enter, you pay to be considered in this category, you pay to be considered in that category, you pay to go to the ceremony, you pay to get your award.

34:47They're recipients of arts funding, as I say, for the fact of their existence. If you see a very unusual film you've never heard of and it's got like eight of those kind of laurel wreaths and you look at the names of the places. Go really close up to the poster. Yeah, and just go, that's interesting. And look at the places that gave those awards. And then I've done this so many times, I love it. And then you go to the website of those awards ceremonies and it's just brilliant. It's just, you just think, my God, this is a grift. It's an incredible, the whole awards culture in general, it's such a huge subject and the way that it was all run as businesses.

35:21And it's just this entirely, as I say, it's a separate sort of ecosystem that doesn't really relate to anything at all. and that's not just, everyone will have those in their industry and just think, why do we even, you know, why do we have these? But it's a whole business anyhow. But yes, I'm interested that he says, Peter Andre, this is film baby because he's also in something called Sun, Rosé and Romance, which is a movie also starring Caprice. Again, you've never heard of this thing. Okay, so how do these things make money? Anyway, he's in something called Members Club, which is about an ageing male stripper troop.

35:54he plays Adonis Members Club Yeah Now so it's not his film he's done lots and lots of these films and lots and lots of these films that you have never heard of I've never heard no one's ever heard of Because you get extreme examples of this sometimes there was a film a while ago Five Guys were jailed for it called Landscape of Lies which was to star the loose woman Andrea McLean and it was like a Landscape of Lies Landscape of Lies Come on guys that's hiding in plain sight isn't it And that was like a 2.8 million VAT fraud and tax fraud. And they'd shot sort of seven minutes of this thing, but it was supposed to be a huge Hollywood blockbuster.

36:31So occasionally this industry does sort of poke its nose above the parapet. But by and large, it doesn't. It's very hard to prove. It's very hard to prove. And Jafaken, by the way, we're not putting in this category at all. It's just led us to talk about these low-budget films. Jafaken, I'm sure, is above board. I've worked with Peter Andre. I liked him very, very much and I wish him nothing but well. But it leads you down a rabbit hole of a huge amount of British movies that are being made all the time that we never see, we never hear of again. You can find in the darkest corners of Amazon Prime.

37:09But given how hard it is to make a movie, there's this absolute cottage industry of unusual, unusually shot, unusually produced British films. What are the economics behind that? What is happening there? Yes, you're right. There's more than one way to ask the question, how the hell did this get made? Now, in the old days, there was a period, as we've talked about before, where you could make basically anything because you'd always get it back on DVD sales or DVD rentals or whatever, including very cheap copies which you sold in the Far East or whatever it was. You could sort of make almost anything quite bad as a Brit flip work for that reason.

37:47and after that came Netflix and Amazon and they needed to build up libraries of content so you could sort of sell them obviously the studios were selling them all their great stuff but you could sell them any old rubbish really because they just needed bulk but for the last 10 years or so they haven't had to do that so you can put it on Prime, your movie and as I paid£3.49 for my Liz Hurley Christmas in Paradise Well I was on the other foot Where did you watch that? I watched that on Amazon Prime and I thought listen, but I didn't have to pay for it that was free really gosh well that yes and that's quite something yes it's quite but nobody finds those things so about half of the films that are supposedly made for theatrical release in the UK every year quite how the money has come in how it's been used and you but it's impossible it's very very difficult to prove and as I should just to restate this I'm definitely not saying this is the case with Peter Andre's movie which as I say is a high profile I think it takes us down that rabbit hole it is very interesting, I mean it's a business to go into isn't it?

38:49Let's just make a series if Marina and I suddenly start making a series of movies with a budget of£2 ,500 ,001 and move to Golden Castles there you go, Golden Castles Golden Castles, that was it one that's our first film with Peter Crouch and the Clancy's Peter Crouch's Golden Castle, he's always banging his head on the doorway well anyway, it's an interesting thing and we'll see how Jafaken and does. It has, I would say, it has this one day of release. But yes, it's not his cinematic debut, contrary to what he suggested. It is very much not. And you know what, playing that EDL member, I have to say about On the Other Foot, as well as, you know, it does have good heart.

39:29There's some really good actors just doing everything. They've given everything they've got in that movie. They really are. I mean, there's some, there's, it's, you know, it is what it is. But there's, you know, sometimes. Another one for the poster. I know, I just felt like sometimes when, you know, it's hard to be cast in a movie and you've got these people who are clearly very good at what they're doing and at the end of it whether they just want to like Ulrich Steider is in it the comic who I really love but at the end do you want to show your family I don't know it's interesting I mean I spoke to various people in the industry about this and they were saying having looked at that trailer you can't tell everything of course from a trailer for Javaken maybe it costs 500k yeah but you can tell it doesn't they haven't got lots of cameras the editing is interesting and it's sort of like a student film that has just been stretched to an hour 38 or whatever it is.

40:19But anyway, it's an interesting world and it is an interesting entire subculture and ecosystem of films, film festivals and things that exist that you have never, never heard of. I didn't even know that Caprice was a movie actress but, you know, I'm learning everything, aren't I? Yeah, and thank you to Peter Andre for dressing up in Rastafarian clothes to draw attention to this particular the corner of the British film industry. Thank you for your service, Peter. Shall we finish by talking about Celebrity Traitors? Please, let's. Now, I keep reading that the official list of participants has been released.

40:53It has not. There are lists out there, which I don't think are a million miles off the truth, but the official list has not yet to be announced. And there are people who are going to be in this who are not on the lists I've seen as well. Is Bob Mordford going to be on it? I cannot say. I can neither confirm nor deny who's going to be in it, who's not going to be in it. I'm not going to be in it. I tell you, that's all I'm allowed to say. But it's been quite leaky. Super leaky. Which is worrying for them, I would say, for the producers because it's obviously a long time between filming and transmission, which I think will be in early autumn, will it?

41:26Again, they haven't announced it. You would assume that the regular traitors will be in its usual slot in January, so you would have thought it would be late September, early October, something like that. They're filming as we speak. Shall we work out who's going to win it? Yes, please. That's all I wanted to. I've got some thoughts. Announcing some of their names. So if you haven't seen these names, as I say, there will be others. Some of the biggest names, Stephen Fry is in there. Claire Balding is in there. Jonathan Ross is in there. I can't see the big names, the big personalities. But can I just say, before we even go any further, this is the ultimate prestige show.

42:04It's a great line. You couldn't get this. reality TV, as I said before when we were talking about it, you know, back near Christmas, reality TV has become prestige and this is the most prestige of all of them by a million miles. To look at those people, it's not like people, no offence to people who used to be on Love Island, but you know, you get all these people and you're like I've never heard of this person and you may fall in love with them during the course of Strictly or whatever it is but you don't know who they are. You know who basically most people on this list are because you couldn't not.

42:31And because they all sat at home, watched it, loved the show and thought that's a game I would like to play it's like an experience I would like to have I'm not good it's not going to be have the privations of a of a big brother or a I'm a celebrity get me out of here it is literally would you like to come and play a game in a show that you love I was very early on I talked to the producers of it there were the guy I suggested who's in there I'm so happy he's in there is Joe Marlow the rugby player yes I think a lot of people don't know Joe Marlow people who know him but you know rugby fans know him and he's got my son was They've got Joe Marlow, that's what you know.

43:04But why did you suggest him? I suggested him because he's a very different presence to lots of people. He has a very overt masculinity, but he also has a very, very front and centre vulnerability, which I just think gives him a great energy for traitors. As a traitor or as a faithful, I think he's going to... If he is a faithful, he will track down the traitors till his dying day. He will dive into a ditch to get those traitors, Joe Mahler. So I thought he would be a great booking for them. And then they said, because I'd just been working with Celia Emery on Thursday Murder Club, and we said, oh, we'd really love Celia Emery.

43:46What do you think? And I love Celia Emery. She's so mischievous. She's so naughty. I think being an actor is, there are a few actors in this. I think being an actor is a huge advantage. Just if we can talk about maybe some things as we're going through the names. I think that also Mark Bonner's in this who I absolutely love I love him so much but if you're a good actor and Celia Emery obviously I think you are at an advantage but how long until the Stephen Fries of this world even though they know the former inside out and even though they know the industry inside out how long before even they are forced to say yeah but don't forget she's an actor and they're really good at lying normally the person who portrays themselves as the cleverest person gets kicked out in the first round table.

44:32The clever people are going in a heartbeat. Yeah, and Stephen Fry's personal brand is, you know, I'm clever. Yeah, exactly. So they might leave him alone for a bit because it's too obvious to get rid of him. And I honestly think they will play differently because there is a hierarchy of celebrity respect and it's very different. The ways in which it's different to the civilian show are manifold and there is a hierarchy of respect that you just don't kick out Stephen Fry on the first day. Exactly. Or Celia Imri. Although there will be players here. The queen of the house. Yeah. Yes. I would say.

45:07Shall I tell you who people I think might win? Okay. Joe Wilkinson, I think, might win. He's brilliant. I love to see Joe Wilkinson. I tell you the combination he's got that makes him perfect for traitors is he acts like he's quite stupid, but he's incredibly clever. Well, that's what I was going to say about Lucy Beaumont. Yes. Yeah. There's a sort of chaotic kind of am I, you know, scattershot, am I whatever. But actually, they're very, very quick and clever. Yeah. So I think both of those are in with a shout. Now, the person who has got everything enabled to win is Nick Muhammad. Nick Muhammad, Ted Lassone, a great comic as well and a great actor.

45:46Now, Nick Muhammad does incredible memory feats. He's incredibly good at reading people. You know, he's cold reading, all those types of things. so he can do sort of everything, Nick. But I feel like that's going to get found. People are going to know that. There's always someone in Trader's who people clearly can see is a tactical genius. And I think Nick will spot every single person doing every single thing. He won't, unlike the ones, there's always a character, they have so often in reality TV like this, they have a character who says, well, I'm a psychic. Yes. Who's wrong about everything.

46:16This is the actual sort of more scientific version of that, which I think is, yeah, I think that's a, you're right. I mean, no one here can pretend to be Welsh because that's part of the thing. We all know. People know who people are. It's a very, everyone knows who everyone is. And if they don't, they will have, you know, tried to find out before their phone was snatched from them. Yeah. We've got Paloma Faith. We've got Tom Daley. Again, these are sort of wild cards, I would say. Tom Daley is a - Definitely a wild card. They could stay until late though. Yeah, because you just, you know, you just sort of go under the radar.

46:47We know how to win traitors. Nico Omelana is our YouTuber. He ran for London Mayor and he got more votes than Lawrence Fox. Yeah, he did quite well. Yeah, he got 50 ,000 votes. I think he got his deposit back. So he'll be interesting. David Olasoga. Yes. One of our goal hanger stablemates. Historian, yes. That will be interesting. Yes. Because, again, a super, super bright guy and will be respected by everybody. Yeah. He said, yeah, I mean, listen, you never know. He could do it. I think, honestly, I think that Joe Wilkinson or Lucy Beaumont will win it. That's my opinion. But I think there's people here that people will fall in love with as well.

47:27But great bookings. I mean, genuinely. It's so, okay, first, I will say that, yes, obviously the bookings are incredible. And if there are even more people we don't yet know about. In terms of how their celebrity will affect the gameplay, I think that is interesting. This is not their primary career. I think people love this show so much. And I was actually talking to someone pretty high up in this business who said, I think that many of them have made a mistake and they don't realise how exposing it is, how you can go to pieces because you see them every year, the same thing happens, and they have to remind themselves it's a game.

48:05But it's so intense and it's such a sealed experience. You're sorted together 17 hours a day. I don't think, I think there are many people on this list who I won't name, but I think could go to pieces. And I think it would be, and also could, obviously, I don't think they're going to destroy their careers and they'll be kindly edited and what have you, but they could undermine their public persona to a significant extent. I think it would be really interesting. It's such a siren call, this format, because people absolutely love it and they think, oh, it's fun, I could do it. You know, as you say, I'm in the castle.

48:38But I do think that some of them should have feared more to tread and I think it's really interesting. and it'll be interesting because of that. I do think that if you're an actor, it helps you. I definitely think it's an actor. I think if you're a comic, it really helps you because you can, you know, we've even seen with politics, if you're funny, you can, you know, any line of questioning, you can deflect if you're funny. You can, you know, you can take the heat off in a conversation by saying something funny and everybody laughing. I think being a comic might be more useful than being an actor.

49:05But in being one of those sort of, your primary career being something like, I don't know, Jonathan Ross, where you're, you know, you're a person who often deals with lots of different personalities. you can see him getting quite quickly into some sort of fatherish role and there are certain people knowing what you want in a way much quicker than might happen although it goes at quite a pace in the civilian version and some people have said I wish they wouldn't do a celebrity version which I absolutely get I think this is one of the few shows that really, really, really will benefit from having a celebrity version which will be very different it will be a different version of the game and it will be a different version of the game because a lot of these people go in a lot of these people really, really know each other.

49:43A lot of these people are genuine friends and have worked together. Jonathan Russell and Alan Carr have worked together a million times. Joe Wilkinson and Lucy have worked together a million times. Lots of people really know each other and it gives a completely different flavour and a completely different vibe to the show. We know what the show is. We know how it works. We know the different stages of it and we know the early kind of sparring bits that don't matter quite so much and people just putting themselves in position. But when people already know each other and as you say, when there is an obvious status from the second you go in, it just makes it a different game as as you say it's it is a siren call i was deeply tempted to do it deeply tempted to do it more than any other show but i i wouldn't enjoy it if i wasn't a traitor i don't think as as a producer i'd be aware that half the show was going on i was asked on the irish one and my children were like they literally couldn't understand why they couldn't believe anyone would say no and I said oh no I mean I you know my anxiety dream is that I'm on reality tv but I think it's very very exposing for the sake of the podcast you should have done it so should you yeah listen I do all sorts of tv for the sake of the podcast oh my god you'd love to sell and I thank you for that service every week um but I was very very very tempted to do it and I genuinely think it's going to be great I really think it's going to be a great show I think it's going to be fascinating I think you're absolutely right that everyone thinks they can probably handle it but once you're in that situation i suspect it might be very very hard and yet if i if i had some great television moments richard is all i'm saying yeah yeah it's going to be great but yeah if i had to put money on someone it'd be either joe or lucy to win the whole thing but the beauty of the traitors is you never know yeah you know someone comes out of you know uh a clear blue sky to win it but i'm genuinely again it's amazing we're talking about it in you know april well that's what i love that's what the show's become it's so enormous that you're talking about just a relatively speculative cast list but i think it's you know it is it is the final class this is not a million miles from this it really really isn't all the names have not yet been revealed i will say that uh but yeah it's right in the middle of our popular culture and it's great and that's to be celebrated i always think and you know Christmas in Paradise, Jafaken, Celebrity Traitors.

52:02I mean, what a rich culture we have. What a cultural web we have woven this week. We are very, very lucky to live in these times. I'll say that. Any recommendations this week? Race across the world. Sorry, I'm just... It's back. Talking are brilliant in the middle of our culture. Absolutely. Begin, get into it. It's just started and they drop it now once a week, I think. Is that right? Yes. Yeah. And they tell such beautiful stories on that as well. and they really they pace them out every time you're like what an interesting idea for a pairing it's really really anyway so get into that if you feel like it because I love it I'm going to double up on that recommendation I think it's absolutely terrific Marina thank you we've got a question and answer edition on Thursday or you get them earlier if you're a member but I'll see you then see you on Thursday

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