Live Audiences, Comedians & Superhero Stars

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1:25Hello and welcome to another episode of the Wester's Entertainment Questions Edition. Welcome to the Western Entertainment Questions and Answers Edition. Oh, I'm Marina Hyde. That's where I recognise you from. I knew it. And I'm Richard Osman. Hello, everybody. Shall we jump straight in? I have the first question for you. It's a top three you'll be delighted to hear. You're really warming to them. I can't get enough of them now. I've broken through some sort of pain barrier. If anyone was listening to the Tuesday episode, I hope someone was, I even managed to get you to do a top ten in proper reverse order.

1:56I'm growing so much as a person and as a podcaster. you know what you're going so much as a podcaster which is all you've ever dreamed of very small start yes okay guy nash has a question for you guy nash says what are your top three opening credit sequences and he says you know when it always says skip intro which i always do but guy says what are the top three that you will never skip through yeah netflix introduced that button in 2017 in fact it was only 15 of people were just like trying to manually get through and also because of binging everybody was watching lots of see things okay i'd have to watch the whole titles yeah 10 times in one evening this is hard and but it ties into something which i wish i'd said when we were talking about theme tunes which is that if the visuals are also amazing and it's got the music as well the sort of double threat game of thrones i love the little houses coming up and the music as well succession i love all the different headlines they have they're such funny sort of atn headlines which is the sort of fox news equivalent in the show things like dynasty in Dallas going right back in the day were those triple screens of each character.

2:59You'd see them in three different views. I used to love those. But of course we couldn't fast forward through any of those things at the time. In terms of what I genuinely would never fast forward through I'm going to have to put them in an order. Hmm. Uh oh. In joint three. And by the way yes. Start on three not one. Joint third. Because I love both the music what we do in the shadows and I love the visuals which are really great you know the sort of comedy vampire series and Detectorist again I love that theme and I just it's very sort of calming and I love that that's Johnny Flynn isn't it does the theme to that yes Simpsons I will always watch through because of the couch gag which is the bit when they're all trying to cram in the sofa at the end and they do a different thing every time and I will always watch that through but it's funny I also will watch the earlier part of it just because I know the couch gag is coming so it does make how many times have I seen those titles I mean and the saxophone is different every time yes and what part is writing on the board yes and then I have to say honestly my number one is because what sort of animal no matter that they know who works in Thunderbird 4 does not watch every single ones of the Thunderbirds when they're telling you you would have to be an animal to say yeah yeah I know who's on which particular craft and I'm not going to you know yeah I know you're in space you will have to watch Thunderbirds I'll go all the way down yeah because and if you don't you are a monster yeah because they're risking their lives for you the least you can do is watch their titles yeah thank you for your service um it It is very weird when you watch anything now and you can't pass through the credits.

4:25That feels like suddenly you're in the Middle Ages. You know, suddenly you're banging like a rock against another rock and trying to make fire. You're like, intro won't skip now. People were doing it in their own way and they were actually sort of turning up about halfway through the first scene thinking, oh, that'll do. And so Netflix didn't want them to do that. So they gave them the power and now look where we are. People love Dexter. People always like that. Well, funnily enough, that's on Guy's list of three. Guy has three on his list. He has The Good Fight, Dexter, and Vikings. I remain untroubled by Vikings up to now.

4:56I don't mean in my life. I mean the program. I also remain untroubled by Vikings in my life. Thank goodness. It's not often you look on the old ring doorbell, and there's a long ship outside. Oh, God, pillagers. Best credits for me, simply because it had the greatest graphic transition. We hadn't seen the like ever when the outline of the island of Jersey transforms into the word Bergerac. Okay. That for me is the best. That is state of the art. At the time, it absolutely blew our mind. It's like when Top of the Pops started sort of putting things in little bottles and spinning them around. And we were like, wow, we'd seen the future.

5:34Yeah. So I'm going to go Bergerac. But yeah, by and large, however beautiful something is. As you say, if you watch four episodes of something in a row, you're not going to sit through it. but better that than the thing of every like the apprentice and stuff like that way really you've got to do seven minutes of what's happening this series or what's happened before oh god the coming ups i hate the coming ups yeah at the end and i hate the what you've just seen they've really cut down on it on the apprentice this year i think they've cut like a minute and a half of it so uh i keep i keep missing the beginning but you know sometimes that's okay in the apprentice you can usually catch up oh they're in a meat market yes they are is it a sales task again yeah they're talking about children's kites every week yeah oh are you having to make an advert even though yeah you're not in advertising and it takes a really really long time to make an advert yeah still a sales task yeah by the way that sounds like i'm mocking the apprentice i absolutely love the apprentice do you have a question for me thank you guy nash by the way for that yes i do have a question for you it's from dan chesney it looks like tickets to be in the audience for a show are always free is this always the case what happens if you can't fill a studio audience even with free tickets do you go ahead anyway dan chesney should go on the apprentice because i would buy anything that dan chesney hawks um it's a it's a really good question yes studio on this is a really interesting thing because obviously you want to fill a studio especially if you're doing a comedy show so if you're doing have i got news for you if you're doing eight out of ten cats or something like that so there's lots of specialist agencies standing room only is one of them the applause store is one of them and you can sign up to those places and they will advertise you know when the Graham Norton show is coming back or when one of those big panel shows is coming back and you can apply for tickets there and for those shows there's always a huge waiting list.

7:16I always remember the biggest waiting list for any TV show in history, I think it had like an 11 year waiting list at one point, was Question of Sport. Really? Yeah, almost impossible to get in to see. It'd be easier to get in, become a member of MCC than it is to actually. It'd be easier to get in the Royal Box at Wimbledon than be in the audience in Question of Sport. So if you ever watch Question of Sport and look at the audience, these people, that's the elite. Long haul, their names were put down as nippers. As children, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like Eton. So for those big shows, by and large, it's quite easy to fill.

7:44And also you would always oversell because tickets are free and they are free for every single TV show. That's the way you do it. Because it's such an integral part of a show to have a live audience there. But because of that, there's always an oversupply of tickets. So if you come see Have I Got News For You, which I'm going to say is 300 maybe, they will send out 600 tickets because lots of people just won't turn up because they haven't paid. and there's no commitment to go or anything like that. People who go to a lot of TV shows know to get there early because if you do turn up five minutes before like you would do for a film, you're probably not going to get in.

8:17So the people at the end won't get in. If you're doing a new show, a pilot or something like that, it's harder because, again, you do want an audience by and large. You want them to be there. But, of course, they don't know what the show is. And how many eps, by the way, will you watch of one of those if you are in the audience? If you're in, it sort of depends. if it's have i got news for you uh or what i like you it'll be one so you turn up for an evening it's brilliant by the way for both of those shows i would say there's no real recording breaks or anything like that like you'd have in a sitcom um so you're watching like a two-hour version of your favorite show so if you go and watch what i like you just like four stories that are never going to be on tv but it's just a joy from start to finish have i got news is exactly the same in that regard so it's a really really really great night out sitcoms are slightly different because there's an awful lot of sort of doing the same scene 14 times, changing the cameras.

9:08And so that's a longer evening and perhaps slightly less fulfilling. But if you love a sitcom, it's amazing because the actors will talk to you in between takes and, you know, you feel really involved. And, of course, you see things that no one's ever going to see on TV. If you're doing a new show, if you've got a big star, if I'm doing a pilot and Rob Brydon is hosting, that's easy. You go on at Applause Store or Standing Room only and say, do you want tickets to Rob Brydon's new show? Rob will send out a link to that and the place is filled. If you don't have that or if it's a new one or you're trying out new talent, then a lot of those companies, Standing Ramoni, Applaus Store, what have you, they will say, look, I know you want to have tickets to Graham Norton, which has a very long waiting list.

9:46If you want to raise your name up that waiting list, you have to come and attend this pilot. There's this new pilot. It's going to be in Manchester. It's going to be in Glasgow. It's going to be in London. If you come to this show, you'll get extra points, which means you go up the waiting list for the more popular shows. So they're quite good like that. but you know often yeah sometimes you'll do a pilot or something and it's and it's it's not as full as it might be i think it's a bit of a maybe it was a bit of a giveaway that gladiators was going to do really well because the recognition of it obviously is a show that previously existed but they were able to fill that arena from season one it's interesting we just had um my now good friend legend on house of games and uh firstly he was great but secondly he's talking about they're about to do the second series of that and demand for tickets for that is taylor swift like i mean is absolutely off the charts i mean before the first one i had that name recognition and parents again honestly you'll enjoy this now it is like demand is absolutely insane now if you go and watch gladiators you can see the way that's shot you're there for a long day you're in there for a long because they've got to re-rig everything for each different exactly that there's you know you can have injuries all sorts of things uh can happen uh and in that sort of environment and maybe we'll talk if there's a different question but at some point but the warm-up artist is the absolute hero of that environment and the best warm-up artists and they're the ones who stand there when the thing isn't filming and you know you need to if you're doing say you're in the last leg and you've got an advert break the warm-up artist will go on the warm-up artist goes on before a show does sort of 20 minutes of chat just to sort of get the audience warmed up that's where the name comes from just so people get used to laughing and are animated and then in any recording break they come on so if you're doing what i like to you or have i got news for you they won't come on at all because you're going straight through if you're doing an itv show they will and if you're in gladiators there's an awful lot of audience participation there's things things are being rigged but i will say it's just a great night out i went to see have i got news for you when i was 21 so it was that 92 i went to see it being recorded up at fountain studios and then i worked on it as a writer and now i've been on it and that's a lovely yeah but honestly yes the watching it was almost if you're interested in the nuts and bolts of any of these things there's no better place to be yeah exactly and people you know ian his up has chats to the audience and it's just it feels like a proper treat the stuff that goes wrong is fun the stuff that goes right is fun but lots of shows these days you know there's fewer and fewer audiences now is the truth during the pandemic of course we couldn't have audiences um i remember what i lied to you we did is um because people had to sit apart from each other and so suddenly got half an audience in some ways half an audience is worse than no audience because you're getting a laugh but it's quite a doesn't feel a fulfilling laugh when you're used to a big studio full so there's a cinema in Pinewood where that was made and they took that over as well and people were watching a live stream of it and you combine the two ah that's okay if that makes sense but yeah lots of shows Pointless no longer has an audience The Chase has never had an audience House of Games has never had an audience it's always been just me and four people and the crew because I used to love watching those shows and it just me because if you're filming a lot you just you can just get it done and get it through and everyone feels relaxed like a podcast you wouldn't have an Ward Albert Hall or anything with you that would be the end of culture as we know it yeah um but so it's if you don't have an audience you make a slightly different type of show and if you do have an audience you play out to the audience and if you don't have an audience you play to the people who are there so it's uh but it's um yeah so for anyone who asked me can they come to the audience of House of Games but yeah those big comedy shows it's an absolute ball to go along and uh and do that but yeah if you have half an audience for a pilot it can it can drag and if you're making a pilot that goes on all evening and people start leaving which they really do and boy oh boy that feels like yes i guess they're within their rights to just exactly i mean you do you sort of make it so that they think they're not they think it's illegal to leave yeah but yeah if people want to get up and go then they do and when you're making a pilot of course you make mistakes and you haven't got the cameras quite where they should be so you are doing things over and over and over again and yeah that can be uh that can be a long evening brutal uh Marina, Jake Clements has a question.

13:54For the Euros and every other major sporting event, the TV studios are always in incredible locations, often by well-known landmarks. The BBC are right outside Brandenburg Gate, so are ITV also looking at the Reichstag. Logically, I think it was a green screen, but is it genuine? How do they get such incredible spots? Ah, OK. Well, thank you to Tony for this. But you can tell that is not a green screen. It couldn't possibly look that good. You can tell when something is a green screen. And also because Gary was wearing a green T-shirt the other day, so he would have disappeared. So yes, they have built that.

14:25These are these purpose-built things. In recent years, FIFA and UEFA have built a sort of collection of these studios with iconic locations and then they lease it to the various broadcasters. So the BBC have got the Spanish broadcaster next door. I mean, you often see these things. They do look extraordinary. Like, you know, the Women's World Cup last year in Australia, if you looked around with the Sydney Opera House in the background and if you sort of turn around and you look at the actual studios themselves, they're kind of clinging on to little bits of Sydney Harbour and you think, why have you done that?

14:51but it is the prime view of the opera house or something like that and in this case the brandenburg gate it's essentially a series of porter cabins all stacked on top of each other and you know that's part of the deal for giving the championships to germany or whoever you're going to give them to is part of that part of the pitch document is what are the facilities for the media where are we going to shoot this and so if you think yeah but it must be impossible to build all these porter cabins right next to the brandenburg gate well you don't get the gig if you don't let them do that so your wafer will say look we need you know x amount of land and it's got to be somewhere iconic to build these things there are levels literally levels in those porter cabins where different uh federations from different television companies in different territories have their studio so bbc and itv i think are both on the top floor which a is a nice view anyway but also means they have a little roof section you'll see both of them can sometimes they go out on the roof when it's not too windy or rainy beyond the penthouse it that is the real you've got every single option but they do look absolutely incredible and obviously we didn't used to have these sort of things there would always be those kind of news gantries for a big event around buckingham palace or something but they're they're a lot more basic than these which are proper fully functioning studios yeah they're amazing and you know jake is right you you have to think it's green screen because it's so stunning and how would you ever be able to build a studio there and it is it's the money it's the fact that the championships are there in the first place they can literally put the studios where they want to have them and yeah the bigger territories and the bigger channels are able to afford the bigger studios and the best views.

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18:10now richard we once again have a special question from purina who are supporting this episode of the podcast last week i told you my favorite dog moments in film and tv rin tintin for those that a megastar and my favorite tv dog was eddie from fraser well this week they we and i want to know your favourite cat moments in film and TV? Well, firstly, I'll say that Liesl has just started eating Purina and has gone mad for it. I can't speak as to whether she has the taste of any normal cat, but she certainly loves it. My favourite cat is a recent one. If anyone has watched Ripley on Netflix, which I love, love, love, it's slow, it's beautiful, but there's a cat that you see about 30 times and all it does is look upstairs and downstairs in a sort of just the most beautiful long-haired cat called Lucio.

19:01And that whole show is about tension and is about nervousness and is about has anybody spotted Ripley? Does anyone know what he's up to? And the one person you know all the way through that show who knows exactly what Ripley is up to is Lucio because he sees all sorts of things going on. And I would have loved the day that the second unit had to film Lucio just all day, just someone clicking their fingers, making Lucio look up, look down, Lucio. lucio looks suspicious good luck i mean lucio like maybe maybe i'm feeling it maybe i'm not you you just know that they are waiting for lucio like he's the biggest star in the world and you know if we have to keep the crew hanging around all day until he suddenly starts feeling like acting then that's cats for you it essentially be like planet earth when they're trying to spot a rare snow leopard and they have to sort of dig into the snow for like six months just to get one shot lucio was like that most of the budget on ripley was on on lucio and just keeping lucio happy.

19:54Mine is born from a sort of similar respect for the complete autonomy of cats. Mine is Blofeld's cat in the James Bond movies, Solomon, who I think is a Persian, like a Turkish Angora, something like that. Anyway, as you know, people will know that you don't actually see Blofeld, the sort of master villain, you just see the hand stroking the cat. And obviously, I thought for a long time, the cat is, let's be honest, not a pet, it's probably in a number two role, chief of staff type of role. But then you never hear it. Why doesn't Blofeld work for the cat? As anyone who's ever had a cat will know, you work for the cat, okay?

20:31And I'm not convinced that actually Blofeld isn't number two to Solomon. And that is my theory on the whole of the movies. The villain is actually the cat and Blofeld just sort of works for it and provides it somewhere to sit. So that's an alternative countercultural theory. But actually there's a bit where, I think in Diamonds Are Forever, where Bond kicks Solomon. And that is one of the most controversial moment. It really is. It's like you see people talking about this online a lot. Because they will take all the extrajudicial killing from Bond. They will take all the murder. They'll take all the sort of casual misogyny or whatever people now think in the light of reinterpretation.

21:03They think about Bond. But they will not accept that. So I'm naming Solomon as one of the number one movie cats. Literally as you're speaking to me Liesl appeared. But as you've disappeared again. I'll see if I can get her in. You work for her. I work for her. but yeah she's gone off to have some of her purina she really that's lovely when you do adverts you just say literally what's just happened in front of you and it's true okay dental life are delicious dental chews with a unique chewy porous texture and distinct ridges that massage the gum scientifically proven to reduce your cat's tartar build-up with a natural cleaning action care for your pet's teeth daily with dental life's natural cleaning action ah here's a good one on comedian stage intros david brocklesby asks would you know why the vast majority of the time comedians announce themselves to the stage um thank you david brocklesby is a good surname i said it before i'm always looking out for names of murder victims david and brocklesby is a good one i am in the next book i am just i'm literally just going to take surnames from this q a you've had some fantastic ones yeah most of my characters come from like snooker players from the 70s and 80s like like really like low ranking the name of the baddie in the uh in the first thursday metal club book soon to be a film uh is ian ventham and he's he's he's after a sneaker play called steve ventham i think played john parrot in junior pop black ones they just got good surnames uh but brockersby is a good one anyway i digress comedians yes often you'll hear someone okay ladies and gentlemen welcome on stage josh widdekombe and that person will always be josh widdekombe and it will always be josh literally standing right next to the edge of stage there'll be a handheld mic and he'll introduce himself and run on um i asked josh himself why this was because i figure you know why not and he has provided us well he's provided david brocklesby with this reply hello richard marina uh long time listener first time caller josh widdekombe here and can i just say i'm a huge fan of the podcast and of your writing marina anyway uh why do comedians seemingly no matter how successful or famous introduce themselves on stage okay there's various reasons for that so the first one is venues even massive venues that aren't arenas up to the size of Hammersmith Apollo you are literally touring with very few people you're touring with you a tour manager possibly a support or possibly not and a sound man or woman so it's basically a lack of staff thing in one way the other thing is the reason I do it it really helps the support if it feels like the comedian you've gone to see is is almost kind of saying you will like this person in arenas it's still that thing of i think comedians are nervous and i think it's a sense of control it's a sense of being able to big yourself up so those are the general reasons so there it is so what he's saying really is it's cheapness but also control cheap cheapness and control the two absolute tenets of all successful comedians yeah cheapness and control um no i think i think it is that thing and also they're so used to every great comic has really come through the ranks and the tiny little stages where they they have to introduce themselves i just think it's a nice thing to have to do josh by the way when people say who's the nicest person in show business he's right up there on the top of the list he's a good one he's a keeper thanks josh but also if i when i go and do book events sometimes and it's interesting lots of places understand you know you you do sort of need to be introduced if there's a big audience someone has to say you can't just wander onto the stage oh hi yeah but lots of book events don't understand that so book events will go oh everyone's out there so you can just wander out yeah I don't I think that's quite unsatisfying for an audience you know they've sort of paid so then I'll do the old microphone thing and I'll introduce I had to I didn't have to I interviewed Kate Atkinson at Cheltenham who's one of my favourite writers of all time and again they said oh the two of you just wander out I think I'm not just going to wander out with the greatest living writer in Britain.

25:05So I said, so Kate was, I said, Kate, I'm going to give you an introduction. And I said, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome onto stage. Britain's greatest living writer. Kate Agneson. And the place goes, then the place goes wild. And then the, everyone settles in. Everyone understands what they're there for. Everyone knows they're going to enjoy themselves. It's nice for her. Let's have a sense of occasion. A sense of occasion. This is one of my great bugbears of modern life. Let's have a sense of occasion for these things. Yeah, it's exactly that. You must always be introduced. That's why at my wedding, I had a walk-on music as well.

25:31That's the thing that drives me mad about weddings. The groom just standing there. Produce it. Come on. Yeah. But listen, bride always comes on last. That's, you know, absolutely fine. Let the groom come on and have some music as well. Because then you've got two hits of people crying. Yeah. Which is what a wedding is for. Why would you deny yourself that? Yeah. You must always, always, with any audience, and that includes a congregation, you must always make sure they're there, they know something's happening, and there's a sense of occasion. Always be a big intro. Put your audience at rest. Absolutely.

26:00Wherever you are. Yeah. Those and gentlemen, Josh Widdicombe. He meets so many celebrities. He should just get the biggest celebrity he's ever met to just do one introduction of Ladies and Gentlemen, Josh Widdicombe, and play that everywhere. This guy I used to know used to, sorry, this has made me think of something completely tangentially related. That doesn't sound like this podcast. He also used to meet lots and lots of celebrities and would always say, he was a journalist, and say, look, things are looking a bit bad for Frank Sinatra. I wonder if we could just get a quote so that we could have it for our quotes file.

26:31This was Ali Ross at The Sun. When the time came and Frank Sinatra did die, he was like, I've got a little something I've been working on for the last 10 years. And it was absolutely everybody had given a quote. And he had just this extraordinary treasure trove of quotes from absolutely everyone. Some of them were ridiculous, like Samantha Fox, what do you think about this? But then lots of them were every big person that had ever been interviewed. So it was pretty much a hold of gold. That's like Peter Dixon, who does the X Factor voice. So he's had that incredibly famous voice. He's literally every single person he ever meets, he gets to do their answering machine message.

27:06Back when people had answering machine messages, they said, oh, you couldn't just do my answering machine message. That'd be funny. He's like, this is like the 90th I've done today. This is like the 90th I've done today. Also, Michael Buffer, who said, let's get ready to rumble. guy he literally the voice of boxing but yeah you could you can hire him for 10 grand a pop he'll come and open anything if you as long as you're happy to pay him you know because that voice is so incredible that catchphrase is so amazing that's his and his alone i think first class travel as well first class travel all of that i mean please put that in your budget if you're considering if you yeah michael buffer ain't flying coach marina this is right up your street nick watson asks do actors who sign a contract to be in a dc film have to agree not to work for marvel and vice versa.

27:47Ryan Reynolds seems the only obvious exception as an actor who's been in both DC and Marvel worlds. Okay, yes, he has been. He was in a very unsuccessful Green Lantern for DC and he is also obviously Deadpool. But there are actually quite a few others. Idris Elba's been in Thor and Suicide Squad. Tom Hardy, obviously, he's Bane in The Dark Knight Rises, but he's also Venom. Affleck's been Daredevil and Batman. Affleck. Affleck, one word. We just need the surname. Yeah. Michael Keaton, who is in the original rebooting of this modern era of Batman, I guess, which is all the way back in 1989, so maybe it doesn't count as modern.

28:26But he's also been a baddie in that first Tom Holland, Spider-Man. So there are quite a few that have done it. There's no rule that you can't do it. But obviously, if someone is so associated with a role, it's difficult and you wouldn't really want them to bring that baggage. And lots of people have done tiny roles in both. But there's been a point where they've sort of, saturated so much of the culture that you've really got to be in one or the other one of them and pretty much most actors have been in one or the other. When we were looking for the show that I've been working on which is set in a sort of fictional superhero franchise movie, it was so hard to find actors who hadn't actually at some level worked within these two universes.

29:06It's really difficult because everyone has now done stuff. But there's no actual rule. It's not like the PDC and BDO darts. No, no, you're not in a rival tour. It's not like Live Golf. Yeah, no, it's not. It's called Live Golf, the movie. Someone I knew wanted to write a movie, a comedy about golf evangelists, because there's a lot of very hard rights, small states, small taxation, American golfers who also still have What Would Jesus Do? Answer none of those things that I've just said. Answer pay tax. He wouldn't do any of those things. He certainly wouldn't go and blame Live Golf. But look, this is what it is.

29:40Golf movies make a lot of money. and so I've always thought it would be quite funny to try and write one but I think the type I would want to write is not the one they'd like to turn out for. I'd watch a golf, I love a golf movie. Oh, so do I. Happy Gilmore, top three Happy Gilmore, Tin Cup. Tin Cup, yeah. I've run out. Caddyshack. Caddyshack, obviously. Caddyshack number one. That was a lot of fun. It was. Should we do it again next week? I think we should do. So we'll see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.

30:12Thank you.