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1:27Hello and welcome to this edition of the Rester's Entertainment Questions edition. Wow This edition of I find something new every time Questions and answers Welcome Remind me please Your name I'm Marina Hyde Excellent I'm Richard Osman It's getting so much worse Yeah it's funny isn't it Because it should It should be pretty Theoretically I should improve Theoretically I've got no retentive memory I think it's good though I think it's nice It shows some humanity But we are quite literally Doing the show right here Let's put it on We really are Hit me with a question please Okay, I have a question for you, Marie.

2:03It's a questions answered edition, lots and lots of lovely questions. Thank you so much for your questions, everybody. Thank you, Michael Dolan. Yeah. Big Mick says, on many opening title sequences for TV shows, certain actors are preceded with and or with. What is the significance of this? Okay, that's basically the same and or with. So we'll say name, name, name, and it will just say and or with guest starring. Richard E. Grant as the dog in Mars or whatever it is. that's actually when they name the character which is a whole separate thing we'll get to that Dogs on Mars by the way Netflix have been in touch you know we talked about we made up Dogs on Mars Netflix got in touch not interested we move on Amazon Prime someone wasn't yeah yeah I've got Amazon Prime next Wednesday for us now what it really means and or with is you've got a major actor in not necessarily a minor role but not the lead role some people used to say it was villains and mentors so you know and Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan Kenobi or whatever it is I guess there's three times where your agent will really go out to bat for you, maybe getting you the role, deciding how much money you get for the role, and then in how you're credited for that role.

3:09And that's very important. And there are all sorts of different ways. As you become more important, you know, it's called cards. When you see a name on a screen, you might be on a shared card when you're in a smaller role and you might see three actors' names or three writers' names or whatever it is. Pre-title is, as we all know, is obviously the big one in movies. when you get that. People don't really have it in television. But it's really when an actor who is part of the core cast but isn't the lead role. So that's why you have and or with. They used to have, back in the old days, it would say and introducing, and that would often be a young performer.

3:40But people felt it was a kiss of death, it was a curse. And if they'd said that, then you might be introduced and then we may never hear of you again. And some shows, of course, will just be alphabetical. So then you're not really arguing about billing. And that's often done because it's an ensemble cast. You've got a loss of egos. And that will just keep everybody happy. And that would be, there's a thing in all television called favoured nations, which is the way you are treated is the way everyone will be treated. There's not anybody on this show who will be treated better than you in terms of money or credit or whatever it is.

4:09And yet, if you ever see a show that is not in alphabetical order, it has taken a very, very long time to get to the order of those credits. If it's in alphabetical order, you think, oh, great, that's lovely and easy. It's nice and simple. If it is not in alphabetical order and it's not like a three-hander or something, then oh my god they just the work that's gone into that completely there are sometimes when they have to come up with and this is a very old example but there are times when they have to come up with kind of creative things to do in point break with keanu reeves and patrick swayze they started with their names on either side of the screen and then they end up sort of crossing in ripples so it's like no one's really on the right hand or the left hand side of the screen because everyone's been on all the sides of the screen so many posters isn't it if you're on the left hand side of the poster or the middle or the right hand side it's everyone's got an opinion And the size of your name on the poster and the size of the font.

4:57Every single thing has been an argument for somebody. But and or with mean the same thing. And it's just major actor, not in a lead role. Sometimes you talk to actors and, you know, you're like, God, it took like a month and a half to sign off that credit. You go, what? What are you talking about? I couldn't care less. I would have been happy. I would have, yeah. Exactly. And sometimes they're even telling the truth. Okay, here's one for you. Chatter in the air. Michael at our city asks how much chatter is there in a game show host's earpiece is it distracting there's a lot of Michaels writing in today it's Michael's week I forgot that we did that so earpieces that you wear they used to be kind of they'd be sort of tied on a big sort of elastic band to your belt and now you have a thing called a whizzy which is entirely wireless so you just put it in your ear you cannot see it it's absolutely invisible so I have one on House of Games I have one on Pointless whenever I go on a TV show and I don't have a whizzy, I always reach up to my ear as if I've forgotten something.

5:54There are two types of talkback, really. So what the whizzy is doing is it's connecting you to every single member of production who has a microphone and a button that they can press. That would be the director. If you're on House of Games, it would be the question editor. And the producer as well would have a route through to you. And anyone else who needed to talk to you can use their routes. But basically, they're the only people allowed to talk to you if you are in a news environment or a sports environment so if you've got you know Gary Lineker and the guys they will often be on open talkback now open talkback means you can hear the whole of the gallery you hear every single thing that is going on you hear the director calling the shots you're saying we're on camera four okay we're on camera five now we're camera two you hear the vision mixer cutting the shots you hear the producer talking about what's just happened you would hear anxiety oh I know but some people love it that's the thing and this is listen, we're all wired differently.

6:44But also you hear, by the way, gossip. You hear just people chatting. You hear someone saying, oh, did you see the match last night? You hear everything. And some people like having that in their ear, especially if they're a solo presenter sometimes. They like knowing that something's going on. I'm on what you call switchable, which is you only hear when people actually want to talk to you. So what do you hear? Different for different shows, of course. So on House of Games, let's say, for example, if there's a camera move, there's been a mistake or a light, and someone say, oh, just stop there.

7:12literally allows you to stop and say to the contestant oh we're just taking two seconds so that's super easy because on house of games i never know what the questions are or the answers so i don't know anything that's coming up there'll be tiny little things like um the questions editors which would be tom or abby who both speak in my ear usually a question comes up on screen and i'll read it out but sometimes it's a song comes up or a picture and of course i don't know that before it comes up so they'll just say in my ear and who is this or and what is this song so i know before the thing comes up so i can just say that without having to worry about um and edit so they'll say things like that if a question is contentious or interesting and we're all talking about the answer they might give me a bit of extra information i will often say oh i'm gonna someone upstairs will help us with that and they will talk to me occasionally if they're being very kind and there's a big laugh in the gallery the uh director or the producer will press their button so i can hear everyone's laughing that's nice but occasionally it gets stuck on open i Sometimes I would just leave it on open because it's interesting to me occasionally.

8:11It sort of blows your mind. But it's nice to hear and it makes me feel incredibly nostalgic for the days when I was in a gallery. You were one of those people. Now, lots of shows I could not be on open because the gallery is absolute chaos. Just like shouting and cameras and this out of the other. It's just awful. But if you have on House of Games a guy called John Smith who directs it and is such a calm presence and that's a lovely, calm gallery. and if you are stuck on open you're getting the occasional and three and just pull in on three please no i'm fine thank you i did oh actually i will yes with one sugar so you're you're essentially listening to that which is lovely but for a news presenter they're getting an awful lot just you know and yeah so i've done you know if i do the one show which i love to host you're getting countdowns in your ear which is a huge thing so i don't have to have that on house of games there's no kind of what the vt package or something like that vt package or a graphic coming up and go, and in five, four, or, you know, the end of an interview and, you know, wrap it up in ten and they will literally, they're counting down ten to one.

9:12You know, when you see someone like Alex Jones just going, and that's all we have time for. Today, tomorrow, we will be talking to Rula Lensker. We are also going to be having Bonzo the Dog from Dogs on Mars is going to be coming to see us right in the studio, right here. We will see you tomorrow. And that's absolutely set to the music of ten, nine, Eight, seven. And so that's a great score. It's a really kind of lovely thing to do. Do you get a practice before you go out there for the first time? You do. A lifetime of watching television. And that's it? You understand the rhythms? Yeah, you absolutely get it.

9:48Because you absolutely get, if you were presenting the one show and they said you got eight seconds out, you go, that's all from us. Join us tomorrow. We'll see that you've got a few things on screen you can say. And it has been absolutely lovely to see you all. I think it's pretty clear from the intro to this episode that I would struggle to present the show. Honestly, I assumed you were on Talkback and someone was talking in your ear throughout. Because I couldn't see you. No one could possibly be making those mistakes. So sometimes I'd love to have an earpiece in real life. Because by and large, you only hear from it if someone's helping you or if someone's praising you.

10:23Yeah. And what a lovely thing to have that would be. That would be, yeah, really. Okay, I think that's extraordinary. I couldn't listen to all that chatter, I don't think. For the news people and that sort of stuff, it is amazing. Because news as well, in a live environment. For breaking, if it's a breaking story, I don't know, like the story of, obviously the massive story at the weekend with Trump, how much is going into your ear in that? Well, you've got two things there, because you've got a computer screen in front of you where feeds are coming through and scripts are coming through from the newsroom.

10:54You're absolutely being told constantly, oh, Gary O'Donoghue is standing by, but it's going to be three minutes. I'll let you know when Gary is there. Meanwhile, can you cross to so-and-so, read out the statement on the screen. Now, you are just being constantly bombarded with things to do and things to say. And so if you ever see a presenter in that environment, and they always look incredibly cool, they are being told five different things all at once. And, you know, the second you do cross to a VT, sometimes you are interviewing that person. So there's still no break. Sometimes it's a VT and you can actually, you've got two minutes just to sort of catch your breath.

11:29and someone will literally come in and you can then talk to you face to face but other than that you are you're sort of stranded like in a in a sort of moon capsule just with houston talking in your ear and you're you're uh yeah you're trying not to crash yeah and talking of the trump thing there's been lots of questions on twitter right afterwards to both of us about whether shows are tagged with keywords so that you you can work out whether to pull something from the schedule when a big news story happens we talked a little bit about before but specifically yes This is Channel 4 pulled an episode, that scheduled episode of The Simpsons, which is Lisa the Iconoclast, which I can't remember what that's from, maybe season seven or something like that.

12:05But it has got a sort of rooftop assassination attempt in it. This happens quite often. There was a Doctor Who episode which had a beheading in it. And when James Foley was beheaded by ISIS, they pulled that episode. and there was an IT crowd episode that had a bomb threat in it and that maybe as a repeat was pulled with a Glasgow airport attack. They're very sensitive to this, but it is a collaborative thing. As always, this is another thing that compliance departments really do. So every show and every episode obviously has to be signed off by a huge number of people. This is how you know things like, oh, there might be strobe lighting coming up in this episode.

12:44There's a whole checklist of things that you have to answer. that's a standardised form mostly for every single thing that might ever appear on television. Bad language from the very beginning. From the outset. From the outset. Yeah. Yes, that's where I like my bad language. Yeah, me too. Don't make me wait, BBC. And unless someone's shouting the C word in the first frame, then I'm like, that's not that bad. Guys, come on. Everyone's just like, oh, relax. Dogs on Mars, we should start absolutely. That is the first word of the show. Two dogs barking it. Yeah, just at each other for a minute and a half.

13:18absolutely fuming with each other. Yeah, we've got to hold the gulf with this show because we've not tied up the deal with Amazon yet. Oh, by the way, I just heard from Amazon. They are a no. We go to Apple. Wow, this is going to be like one of those things all the people who passed on that show. They're going to be furious when it's a huge hit on Pets TV. Yeah. Well, anyway, when it is, we will have had to have filmed a form for every single one of the episodes. And also things like, does this programme require a counter programme if that programme would be subject to, say, impartiality? So then it becomes a sort of searchable database.

13:49When something like the Trump assassination attempt happens, it's such a big news event that it's the type that would affect. So you go through everything on the schedule and you can see what you've got the ready made record. So it isn't like one giant, great, big list of everything, but it's a database that you can search. Which interestingly, the streamers don't have to do because they've got such a huge library. It seems, you know, with if you're BBC and ITV, you're scheduled something, you're putting something in front of people. Quite right. And therefore, you know, it's you have to be very delicate.

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16:11Welcome back, everybody. Marina, I have a top three for you. I'm just doing these like there's no tomorrow now. Very excited to see what all you do with them in. Maybe you'll start with number two this week. Who knows? Could be anything. The question comes from Bradley Travis. Could you reflect on John Williams' influence on Hollywood and give your top three of his film scores? So there's two things there. So top three, but also a nice open-ended question. Yeah, John Williams is the composer. People probably know him best for lots of his Steven Spielberg and George Lucas movies. John Williams is amazing.

16:44He's the most wonderful, if you've ever heard him interviewed or watched him interviewed, he is the most extraordinary, lovely, humble man. When he started out, lots of people, in the 60s, people used lots of pop records, really, because they thought, oh, we can sell the LPs of these as movie soundtracks. And he kind of returns to a much more sort of symphonic, classical way of scoring movies that harks really back to the 30s and 40s, the real golden age of Hollywood. It almost feels like a live accompaniment. Yeah, yeah. So Jaws, I mean, so many of his ones are completely memorable. Spielberg and Lucas, I guess they define that kind of blockbuster era.

17:23And maybe that's why. And he worked so often with them. In terms of a top three, I'll tell you what was a missed opportunity, I do think, is that Harry Potter, I think he only did the first three movies. Because a lot of what he did, because he worked often on these franchise movies, was that he goes on and develops. People get their own themes, all sorts of things. So each movie is kind of accrues the musical influence and the score kind of resonates even more. And I think actually if they'd kept them all the way through, they would be doing better. This isn't making the top three, but I wish it were if it was a top four.

17:56Close Encounters, that five note, it's part of the score, but it's also the communication signal from the extraterrestrials. It's so simple and it seems obvious, but it's not obvious. Like the four note Channel 4 logo, which the guy got paid a fortune for. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, the fight of John Williams. So I think Close Encounters was also number four in your Spielberg. This didn't make the top three. I know, I know. Well, I mean, he's amazing. I mean, he's done so much, John Williams. I think he's the second most nominated living person anyway in Oscars history. But Jaws is the first big budget movie in a long while to use it.

18:34First of all, we know it's this kind of in popular legend, the first blockbuster opens coast to coast all at the same time in thousands of theatres. but it's the first one to go back to a classical soundtrack and when he played it to Spielberg which he did it on the piano and it was like just you know it's those two notes and then you know a couple more notes and Spielberg was like no but you're not actually serious and he was like well you know I think that when we've got the cellists and the bassists doing this and maybe we've got contrabassoon, timpani and Spielberg's like okay if you think I mean because on the piano that is literally what you do if you sit down at a piano and you can't play the piano yeah yeah yeah did it like this but he does but he it's that leitmotif thing that and he got that from like Wagner and Tchaikovsky and you know he really reaches back right into classical music so I think that's very interesting and then those motifs build up and the way he uses them in film scores and they return in different ways so okay number three speaking of sort of returning so Jaws wasn't number three no it wasn't okay so that's outside the top three as well that was an adjunct.

19:35Jaws is one. Are you kidding me? Are you actually kidding me? I did it wrong again. I did it wrong again. If you didn't hear that it's because I put my head in the desk. I'm so sorry. I've done it wrong again. Who am I working for? Did you not at any point while you were talking about Jaws then? Which by the way Because I was getting excited. I was genuinely so interested. I found that so interesting and I thought wow if this is where we are on number three imagine how interesting number one is going to be. I'm going to make my number two my number. No you're not. I'm going to make my number two my number one okay number three is the empire strikes back i've literally done it in two three god i can't believe this okay number three is the empire strikes back you get the classic soul theme yeah which we all know but then you get the imperial march and i think that's his favorite thing he ever will darth vader's theme i think i think he says that's his favorite piece that he's ever composed and you get yoda's theme and there's some sort of hand and layer love story so that would okay two is jaws although it isn't really is it it's number one That is unbelievable.

20:30Listen, let's just do number two. Okay, number two is E.T. Because the final 15 minutes of that are almost all musically scored. And what he tried to do is he tried to sort of work with the cut that Spielberg had showed him. And he couldn't quite get it. And in the end, Spielberg said, forget this. You compose the music and I will recut the ending to your score. Because if it's not working in your score, then maybe there's something not quite. and it is so amazingly held together, that climactic final 15 minutes of that movie and it is so beautifully done and beautifully orchestrated. Literally.

21:08All puns intended. And so he recuts the end of the film to fit the music and then it all works and it hangs together in that beautiful way. That's amazing. And then I'm going to do my number one once more. What's this going to be? Wow. Because of the simplicity of it and the terror of it And the way that you hear that music, I suppose because of the pure simplicity of it, it's sort of two or three notes. And you hear it in the back of your head at moments of like, oh, hang on, I've got to watch out for something here. Everyone's like, no, no, no, in their head all the time. How did John Williams play that for Spielberg?

21:41Any stories on that? It's good, though. It's good. Listen. I'll tell you what, there was some good detail there and it maybe didn't come in the right order, but you got it. Not my best work, but you know what? I find all of his that was incredibly hard to rank I mean it seemed hard to rank as you were reading it out 1, 3, 2 with 1 and 2 changing places at various points that's a much more interesting way to do it it's crazy it'll catch on it may catch on it may catch on do you have anything for me? you can give me an order if you want I'll do a top 7 a question about potentially one of the top 3 greatest TV series ever horrible histories.

22:23Oh yes, very much so. Lisa Seavers, Colt's sister. Ah, you're related to Colt, you don't see me, that's cool. Yeah, you don't see so many. From the Fall Guy. Yeah, Fall Gal. She's the Fall Gal. She's the Fall Gal. My kids and I absolutely love Horrible Histories, rightly. She didn't say that, that's me. And my kids especially know all the songs by heart. The parody songs are absolutely wonderful and as part of my kids' education we like to compare the original music video to the parody versions. Wow, well done, that's good parenting. Do these obvious... So that sounded sarcastic, but it's not.

22:52No, I'm just thinking I've never done this, and yet I have put my children in front of the show for about seven years of their lives. Do these obvious song parodies have to pay royalties to the original artist at all? The world of parodies is quite an interesting one. We've talked before about the money you have to pay if you have songs, you have to pay to quote lyrics and things. But if you were doing a parody, you can get away with it pretty much. And certainly with their parodies, which are not the original song, they're just sort of changing it bit by bit. I spoke to Ben Will Bond from Horrible Histories and Ghosts and a Million Brilliant Things.

23:24He's wonderful. Listener to this podcast. Hi, Ben, if you're listening. I wonder what you made of the order in which you read out the John Williams things. He's probably, honestly, I reckon... He would have respected it. He's my friend and he'd have liked it. Yeah, he really would have liked it. Yeah. He would not have undermined me. Yeah. I made it so that next week I will potentially just fall to pieces completely on a top three. I mean, if that wasn't, perhaps arguably was falling to pieces. Ben says, the short answer is no. The songs are a deliberate parallel But as long as they don't copy any chords There is no breach of copyright Richie Webb was the composer for all the music during my time He is the master of all those songs And managed to sail very close to the wind So it's by doing a sort of close copy You get away with it Top three Richie Webb songs I'm joking Let's not get into it Look at the panic on your face So number seven for me would be Thank you very much Ben And thank you very much Lisa for the question as well.

24:18Yeah, it's interesting with that parody song and recently they changed the rules so you can take pretty much any footage you want and so long as you're doing a parody, you don't have to pay for it, which is why there's so many more incredible kind of memes and parodies of real footage that you're sort of covered by law now that you can pretty much do what you want. Well, they were fighting a real losing battle on that one with just the way that media has gone and social media particularly that they spent so long trying to sort of gatekeep every single thing but there is actually no point and it does enhance the original.

24:47But lovely to have a shout out for Horrible Histories, which is generally one of those things that you think it has improved a whole generation. To see them go on to ghosts. I want to do a proper talk about ghosts and the global domination of ghosts at some point. But to see that group do that show, which is so full of joy and so full of skill and talent, it's so funny, and to have a generation growing up with them. It is possible to improve the world if you are a writer and performer. And have a brilliant time while they're doing it. I was talking to Lolly Adafope on it and she's like, it was just the best cast ever on Ghost.