Noel Edmonds, Glen Powell & The Salt Path: 2025 BEST OF

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2:08Hello and welcome to this episode of The Rest is Entertainment. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. It's Christmas, isn't it? So will you forgive us that instead of like a normal episode, we're going to do a best of 2025. A really good selection box with no, I know what you're going to say. You're going to say no toffee pennies. No toffee pennies. I like toffee pennies. No terrible toffee pennies. I like toffee pennies. And I cannot lie. Should we get straight into it? No. No. No, because it is. Not again. Not the discourse again. No, listen. Not the discourse. Please not the discourse. Please not the discourse.

2:37Well, because it's the 23rd and it is a best of, but you have to give a little bit of value to people. Yes, toffee penny, we all agree, is the worst. I've actually come round a tiny bit more this year. in my Quality Street eating to the extent I found myself reaching for a Toffee Penny. Because there's something in it. I knew I'd get you in the air. There's something. But what is that? What is that? My taste maturing? I don't think it is maturing because I don't think you'd still be eating Quality Street with a mature palate. I've got a sort of Quality Street voodoo doll that I've been working really hard on all year to make you like the Toffee Penny.

3:09And I just want to say it works. As you know, orange cream and strawberry cream are the best. But they have that. Oh, my God. They have that orange, that crispy orange one now as well. that I, sorry? Where do you stand? Whoa, you look like you didn't like it. I prefer it to either of the two you just mentioned. Where do you stand on the ones where you just go to the pick and mix and you don't have to have any dead wood as far as you're concerned? So for you, you'd be able to get the really perverted choices of the orange and strawberry creams and you wouldn't have to bother yourself with toffee pennies.

3:35Where do you stand on those? Have you been to them where you can fill the tub yourself? A quality suite you can fill your tub yourself? No. Oh my God, I can't wait to take you on an out of this. Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they had one in John Lewis. It's right in your wheelhouse on every level this one. John Lewis. No, this is not an ad. No, it's not an ad. But if you want to sponsor the podcast, please do. Oh my God. I would love them to sponsor the podcast. Come on, we're never out of there. Freebie pick and mix. Got a tub and you can go and you can get all, you know, Noisette Triangles now called the Green Triangle.

4:04You can get all of the things. You could have a whole tin of just what you wanted and you fill your own tub and it's in John Lewis. Fill your own tub. Yeah. Great name for an autobiography. Yeah, I would just go the fondant creams. I'd see even though you know what they'll never be out of stock of what you want I think they will actually why don't we go along and have a look at what's out of stock and that will really settle a lot of arguments but everybody I know you've probably got people round or you know or perhaps even if Christmas is a quiet time for you and you're just kind of listening and mucking about it's just it's a selection of stories from this year really really hope you enjoy it and I hope you understand why we're not doing a live episode as well there will be another one of these on Christmas day because we are also we are not doing a live episode on Christmas Day this year because last year, apparently, it upset our families.

4:52So there'll be this one, there'll be one on Thursday as well, but it's been a real pleasure spending the year with you and I hope there'll be bits on here that you haven't heard and do enjoy everything apart from the Toffee Penny. Merry Christmas, everyone.

5:12Now, for a lot of things that have happened since this podcast, began. The world has changed in lots of ways. Politically, the world of entertainment. We live in a slightly different world than we did way back when. But I think, of all the things that have ever happened, this story might be the biggest. Yeah, and I mean, why wasn't it on the front pages of a lot of places? Catch up, guys, because Glenn Powell has launched a source brand. Let me tell you what he'll do you, Richard. It's called Smash Kitchen. Oh, that's good. Yeah, Smash Kitchen. He'll do you a yellow mustard, a Dijon mustard. He'll do a ketchup.

5:46He'll do you a hot honey ketchup. Hot honey ketchup. He'll do you an American barbecue sauce. Your stripper name. He'll give you an American barbecue sauce, a hot honey barbecue sauce, mayo, and spicy mayo. And I'll tell you what he'll do, Richard, which is what makes this interesting, is that he will sell it via Walmart at an affordable price. None of that will cost you any more than$4.79, and some of it will cost as little as$2. Now. Sorry, did we go to Heather? Yes. No, none of this is sponsored. But although, Glenn, if you do want to sponsor, please, please get in touch. Send us some sauce.

6:20Just anyway, get in touch. You have to really just make sure it's sealed before you send it over. You don't want... Well, I'm sure that he will have taken care of every detail, Richard. Now, this is selling through Walmart, which I think is really interesting. And I'll get into that in a minute. But because lots of celebrities have got artisan this and that brands, haven't they? You know, if Brooklyn Beckham does a hot sauce and he has done one, you know, especially curated. He does a hot sauce, doesn't he? I'm not a hot sauce guy. Oh my God, I absolutely love hot sauce. Yeah, yeah. I have many, many hot sauces.

6:51Me, I have many, many hot sauces. But this is the one I want most, by the way. All right, Woodward and Bernstein. Now listen. Okay, so he had a big launch party and he had it in Beverly Hills or wherever it was in Hollywood. And they had lots of sort of fancy celebrities went along and they had a French fries station, but whatever. So they did all the sort of glitzy side of it. Gwyneth Paltrow unboxed someone, whatever. It's organic, this thing. DiCaprio was there, I saw. DiCaprio. Yeah. I mean, you know you've made it in Hollywood if you do with sources. Stella McCartney. I mean, I think it's just like random famous people in town that night.

7:29But you think about the stuff DiCaprio must get invited to. Yeah. I mean, it must be sort of non-stop. He's got something, Richard. I'm telling you, he's got something. Powell. Yeah. Yeah, he sure has. Now, so, okay, why has he done this? Now I Again Because his food Was too bland They've all No he's got a back story Like you know We made You always have to have The back story We all made sauces Growing up My sister reminded me I made my own Hot honey ketchup At seven years old We slad the sauces On everything You know he's The family were all there Sorry his back story Is I come from a family That you sourced That we made lots of sauce Yeah Okay Look it's Will this do And it will do Yes it will do Because I put a lot of vinegar On my chips And I've yet to release A wine range Well marketeers please get in touch Richard would like to partner on a vinegar on a vinegar range Sarsens come and get me yeah big Sarsens will be after I would love that now listen but he anyway but what he's really saying with this is of all the things he could do I mean obviously people do luxury things all the time or they do high end alcohol brands they partner with things all the time celebrities this to me is different not just because it's Glenn Powell but you know what he's saying is you know I'm from Texas I'm from the great state of Texas we love barbecue you i'm for everyone yeah i am at a price point everyone can afford yeah still talk about the source i think yes uh i'm a price over red state and blue once again there's very helpful sydney sweeney romance rumors i see have you know reanimated yeah can't believe it myself however however again the red state king and queen they were like and we're for everybody and what i think about this is really interesting is that it's mass produced it's for walmart he said my long-term intention is to change every kitchen staple.

9:09Wow. You're an actor. But anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's 2025. They have to all talk like this. But also, that's why I went into acting. Yeah. But, you know, nothing's going to cost more than four or five dollars. But he said, no one in our country is more than 10 minutes away from a Walmart and it's almost 30 % of the grocery market. Again, he is an actor, but we all talk like this in the year 2025, which I sort of love. what he's saying is I'm a mass produced mainstream star because he does want to get back remember I was telling you that Glenn Powell wants to get back to like whatever Expendables he was in Expendables 3 and he was with all the guys and they were all saying to me oh no this is what it was like being a movie star in the 90s he's like he can't believe it he wants to tunnel his way back to that level of kind of mass appeal so Glenn Powell is this source Richard as I suppose why I am saying it in lots of ways but I'll tell you what it because it's such a sort of direct call back to it also so much of the things he does that sort of, you know, that character in Top Gun Maverick when he's sort of trying to, you know, basically sort of trying to do not a simulacrum of Val Kilmer, but a bit of one.

10:10And then this one, Newman's Own Source. Remember Paul Newman? Yeah. The story of Newman's Own Source is quite interesting. He started it with a writer called A.E. Hotchner, who was Hemingway's biographer. And one Christmas, like in some barn that Paul Newman, they thought, well, we're constantly talking about salad dressing. we make it we bottle it for all our friends they were constantly talking about salad dressing yeah Hodgson's very funny about it it's like he would ring me the whole time just wanted to talk about salad dressing I was like we've got to do something with this anyway so they make this sauce they give it to some friends everybody loves it they keep talking about it and he's like okay let's think how we do this Martha Stewart sets up a sort of blind taste test with proper judge it's all done like by the book everyone puts this Newman's own sauce which is a salad dressing I think the first one they do first and then apart from two who put it as second so they're like okay fine so they become a company that day.

11:00They make a million in their first year. Paul Newman didn't want his face anywhere on it, if you've actually seen the bottles of it, because it was a mass-produced item. Again, it went into every American supermarket. And he was like a proper big A-list, scarcity-value star. I mean, unbelievable. And one of the great movie stars. But he hated what he called noisy philanthropy. So he said, I don't want to be on this. And he didn't even want them to put 100 % of profits, which they still all go to charity. Oh, do they? Okay, I don't know. Smash Kitchen's profits, the whereabouts of them have not been specified.

11:34So I think they perhaps go to Glen Powell and his business partners. But anyway. Fair enough, it's a traditional way to do business. I get it. But even back then, they were inventing all the stories on the packaging. So there was a thing that he said, there was organic pretzels, and it said, my daughter, I had to forfeit my house to my daughter when she came up with a better, I said, you couldn't come up with an organic pretzel, and she did, and I had to give her my house. And the daughter's like, yeah, no, that's not true. And then he said, some of them were stupid. They were like, I bought this spicy pasta sauce back myself from hell.

12:07Yeah, so there were ones like that. I remember for my book, The World Cup of Everything, I was doing chain restaurants and I was looking into Frankie and Benny's. I love doing things like that. And Frankie and Benny's menu is all kind of... And Francesco and Benedicto came over from Napoli in the 1920s and I sort of looked them up and it was established in Leicester in 1995 or something. Yeah, tell me actually what... Tell me, I'd like to know a lot more about Jack Daniel's Hollow than is on the posters. Every time I'm standing on a YouTube platform and I read about it, I'm like, yeah, I'd love to visit.

12:38It'd be like a horrible facility. Yeah, every brand should start. It was 2021 when two venture capitalists had noticed that tequila was doing particularly well. And they thought, how can we elbow into this market? It's that sweet sip and private equity. Yeah, well, okay. But Glenn Powell is the source. This is what I'm trying to say to you, that he is trying to be a mass market. So I find it absolutely hilarious. And also just that actors have to talk like that nowadays, which I just find genuinely hysterical. but do you think i should i tell you why i think it is because back in the day they could be paid 20 million dollars a movie yeah right and glenn knows that because he's gone on the expendables three and what do you think he's on a movie eight yeah something like that so he's got to think how do i make 12 million dollars a year i'm just literally thinking i'm in a business where it used to be i would be paid 40 million dollars a year i'm currently being paid 18 million dollars a year so i feel 22 million dollars but he's yeah but he sells it he sells i believe every single word about this story he's from the great state of texas yeah he's not part he's not part of hollywood all of it actually contributes to the same overall brand so whoever is glenn pal's of brand supremo and there'll be about 50 of them on a team that's another thing you got to pay those people so whoever's creating the world of glenn pal it was around about 2023 when three brand consultants working for glenn powell have a bright idea that you could get an artist agency the one one of them you know yeah and again glenn please is it any story about sauce from your childhood just anything at all we go i think once i mixed up a couple of sauces at home and i got in trouble yeah that's so you invented your own sauce i guess so exactly the occasion i would put mustard and ketchup like from the same thing on on the same burger so you made sauces but his aim is quite simply to change every single catch kitchen staple and they're going to have others they're There's going to be more.

14:28I'm here for every second of this rollout across Walmart and hopefully across the Atlantic Ocean. Actually, I'm going to America in early June. And if you don't think I'm bringing back some Glenn Powell sauce. Yeah, I'm going to New York. Will they have it? Will it be available bi-coasterly? I'm not sure because it's available in Walmart. But I'll see if I can find one in Manhattan. By the way, they're going to let you in. Yeah.

14:53Both of us are gripped by the tale of the salt path. Now, if you haven't heard of the Salt Path, let me take you through it. It's a true story of a couple from Wales who, through no fault of their own, lose their house and become homeless. Not only that, the husband in this couple, and they're called Rayner Wynne and Moth Wynne, the husband has a degenerative disease, something akin to Parkinson's, find themselves homeless and they embark on a 630 mile walk around the southwest coast of England called the Salt Path. So it's a memoir. It's a true story. It became a massive phenomenon. Book clubs all around the country love it.

15:28It's such an incredibly inspirational story. People have really, really bought into it. It means a great deal to a huge amount of people. So much so that a movie came out a few weeks ago with Gillian Anderson playing Raina Wynn, Jason Isaacs playing Moth Wynn. And it's just one of those incredibly rare success stories where a publisher picks up a small story, a true story, something that speaks to our time, something that speaks about humanity, something that speaks about human beings, and readers really, really jumped on board. This book means a great deal to a great deal of people. So just this incredible true story, strength, adversity, bad luck, just everything about life.

16:10But it turns out perhaps it was not true. And then this weekend, a fantastic investigation in The Observer came out by the journalist Chloe Hadjimatea, but also some additional reporting bilans on them. There's often quite a few people involved in a big team effort like this saying that their names aren't really Rainer and Mothwin. Their names are Sally and Tim Walker. Walker? Yeah, Walker. I mean, it was right there. They turned walking into Wins, that's for sure. Yeah. Those were not the circumstances of how they lost their home. In fact, it's quite a convoluted tale, but it suggests that um sally walker embezzled money to start with and then as i say it's quite convoluted there's a loan there's all sorts of other things but the embezzlement is the key part of it and it also contains um commentary from various sort of consultant neurologists who say that this diagnosis of corticobasal degeneration you would normally expect in fact nobody really lives beyond eight years and it's an awful awful condition um and 18 years on to be flourishing is essentially unheard of and of course occasionally medical very i mean in a blue moon a medical miracle occurs but there is a considerable doubt cost on the nature of of that aspect of the story as well so it's pretty much all of it i mean i i think they did the walk yes i think yeah i don't don't even know if they did all of that so it is this incredibly inspirational true story which turns out it may well not be true can we not have nice things this is like captain tom's family all over again but could she not have a spa complex richard no she couldn't she had to have it knocked down i bet she has got one but i bet the walkers have got one but um i can't uh i cannot overestimate how much this has gone off like a bomb in the world of publishing because this is a huge huge huge lead item for everyone this has been one of the massive success stories and you know publishing you know you don't have all that many and they pay for everything these big success stories and the salt path is one of those books that has paid for so many other books over the last eight years it is massive and everyone in publishing is absolutely reeling this week all of this has been put to uh reina and moth win and in in significant detail and they've issued the following statement which is not very detailed they've said the salt path lays bare the physical and spiritual journey moth and i shared an experience that transformed us completely and altered the course of our lives this is the true story of our journey well thanks for the blub but that does not respond even vaguely to any of the material allegations in this particular um investigation a spokeswoman for the winds has said that the allegations made in a sunday newspaper were highly misleading they are consulting lawyers yet they're consulting lawyers um clearly this is published by Penguin Random House I mean they'll have a lot I mean let's start talking about it I'm published by Penguin Random House and you know a bomb would have gone off there this week I have another theory which is that I actually think we've all heard the expression and it means lots of different things where there's a hit there's a rid people often come out of the woodwork when something becomes successful rather like those consultant neurologists i'd be surprised if this was the very very first that after a book has been that successful that penguin random house have heard that maybe the circumstances at the start of it certainly that lead to the whole story taking place don't necessarily add up i would be surprised if that's the first because there has been online commentary which i actually wasn't aware of but i've gone back and i can see that i have it i keep like as often in these things you you read people going oh this is an open secret and i definitely I definitely don't think it was an open secret.

20:06I'd never heard before that this was fake. I hadn't really got involved in the salt path world. I can sort of feel that book is not for me. But, you know, people would say, oh, no, we knew and we'd be at festivals. Gillian Anderson, when she said, they said, oh, how did you find Raina Wynne when you met her? And she went, I thought she was quite guarded. And you think, yeah, really? The two central tenets at the heart of this book, the things that make it sell a huge amount of money, the things that make it really resonate with Middle Britain and with readers across the world, are they lost their house through no fault of their own.

20:35These allegations suggest that is not the case. They lost their house because Sally Walker had embezzled money. They then borrowed from somebody else and that person had called in the loan and so the house no longer belonged to them. And also the ability somehow to turn back the course of an illness through communing with nature. I mean, you have a huge responsibility. Everyone who writes about anything medical and any form of, even in the broadest terms alternative treatment has a huge responsibility to bear and if you're publishing anything that suggests that then you also have a huge responsibility to bear as I say I saw a woman saying that my husband's got CBD and I've lost count of the times in the last five years that people said you must read this book and perhaps he should go for a long walk and the despair that I had of understanding that's not something that he was able to do and not quite understanding what it was that must be in this book if you're talking about you know medical things and you're talking about what nature can do and you're talking about you know medicinal effects of things that is a big issue not only for the winds by the way and that's their um that's their business but for the publisher yes for the publisher it is the medical aspect is the probably the most serious aspect of it it's interesting i kept thinking back and as i say i don't know the origin story of this but but obviously she's a first-time writer and i wonder if she perhaps glossed over as you might do the circumstances the loss of house because it's much better to get on the walk.

22:01Of course you would. And they've said, and your editor would say, well, hang on, I think we really want to delve more into this because the payoff is not so satisfying if we don't see the tragedy. You know, we've got to go really down and then we can go up. Because in Rain and Wind's version of the book, there is a bad guy who is an old colleague of Moth Wind's who sort of asks him to invest in something and then pulls the rug from under them and takes their house. So there's a proper bad guy at the start of the book who we're like, oh my God, you're so unlucky that that happened to you and yeah you would think that an editor might be saying oh it'd be let's find out a little bit more about that person i think that person um who is who is ros hemmings husband passed away yes a few years ago and she said ros hemmings said in in a way i'm sort of glad he doesn't he didn't see this book ever come out because it would have absolutely it would have hurt him so much the lies in it well i think it's yeah i think it's interesting but i do nonetheless less think what's the editing procedure there when you're saying um okay this person did this thing to us you're still thinking if you're the lawyer okay can this person be identified if this person can be identified are they still alive you're you're going through all of those different you know you have to be so careful with all of these things as we say and you can get away with things in books that you might not be able to on tv or whatever but if that person is dead then And even so, I think you'd have to produce, I would be, if I was publishing this book, I would require these people to produce some forms of evidence.

23:28And maybe they just said, well, we don't have anything left because we put what we had in our backpacks and we weren't on our walk. Or it's too painful for us. Yeah, if over the next few days, weeks, whatever, the amount of people coming out of the woodwork because they've been emboldened by this and it's gone public to speak out and the claims are able to be fairly incontrovertibly proved to be false, what do you then do if you're paying a random house? Gosh, it's a very interesting question. I think that probably you try and claw back some of the money that you've passed over. I don't know this particular contract.

24:02The contract would normally be that they have guaranteed that everything in this piece is truthful. And again, things can be highly misleading. But if something is a deliberate lie, then, you know, Penguin Random House, I guess, would have some sort of recourse. Obviously, any money you do get back in, that's got to go straight to some sort of charity. I mean, Pasadena has to because Penguin Random House will know also that they've been remiss here. You know when you're involved in a book and you have the sort of fan groups around the book, you know how much these books mean to people. And especially with this, when it's to do with illness, you know what this means to people.

24:38So you know that people are going to be very, very hurt. I suggest that there would be, on one hand, there'll be some legal issues if these things do turn out to be not true. And on the other hand, some reputational work that would need doing. and someone's getting a new neurology wing aren't they yeah exactly

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28:02Let's talk about bands. Let's talk about Morrissey, shall we? Morrissey has put his business interests in the Smiths up for sale. Yes. He's actually headlined it a soul for sale. Yeah. A soul for sale. Morrissey's soul. Okay. These comprise, according to Morrissey, the name the Smiths as created by Morrissey. By the way, these are Morrissey's words, not yours. Yes. Oh, yeah. And every time you say as created by Morrissey, Morrissey himself has written that. He has typed that onto his website himself. All Smiths artwork as created by Morrissey. Every time he's doing it, he's thinking, is it double R, double S?

28:33He probably finds it easier than I do. Yeah, he's got a keyboard shortcut for it now, I think. All Smith's merchandising rights, all Smith's songs lyrically and musically, all synchronisation rights, all Smith's recordings, and all contractual rights for Smith's publishing. The reason he's doing it, he says, I am burnt out by any and all connections to Mar, Rourke, Joyce, his three erstwhile bandmates. One of whom is deceased, Andrew Rourke is deceased. Yeah, and interestingly, one of whom, Mike Joyce, is just about to release a book, but entirely coincidental. He says,

29:32serious investors should make contact eves7760 at gmail.com and I read out that email address because if you send something to it which I've done it just bounces back it's not uh doesn't appear to it doesn't appear to work okay there's a lot to unpack yeah a lot of toys to unpack or yes pick off the ground to put back into the proud the bit that seems to be really getting to him is that they bring with them business communications I mean the admin of artistry does make me laugh a lot i mean it's really interesting actually a lot a lot of people much further down the tree who's never had anything approaching the success that smiths have had so you know you obviously you're in a band because you love making music and you love performing and you love all of those things but just a huge amount is spent getting from a to b you know booking venues dealing with the admin just dealing with the admin have we paid vat on our german royalties yeah and there's a huge amount of admin and it reminds me of various things it reminds me of things like we've talked about before that even if you're a really big time actor a tiny amount of your schedule of the pie chart really could be you in front of a camera actually acting all of the rest of it in case of mark warburg as we frequently say it's praying having a lot of showers turning down selfies it's a huge amount and actually the thing that you're in it for is just a tiny amount of the day i think even if you're in just a small band that kind of has a few gigs people say oh it's eight Taz a week they did actually a study of up and coming Dutch musicians yeah no it's really interesting okay and who's doing that he's getting paid for that I don't know but it's quite a fun thing to do to talk to them was it was it was it was it was it was it was it funded by Dutch musicians mums I don't I don't know I think Dutch musicians mums maybe at that stage you're probably helping them out with the admin driving them by the way great name for a band Dutch musicians mums and they found that like quite a large percentage of the week was spent on that and obviously most people as we discussed last week have other jobs um morrissey has one job which is being morrissey at all times yeah so that's a full-time job by the way that's more than that needs 150 of anyone else but the admin of it all seems to really get to him i think what you're hitting upon there is exactly right which is when you start a band i mean i started with the question why do bands all end up suing each other and most bands form in the sort of teens and 20s and it's usually quite a random collection of individuals there's absolutely no reason why it is ma morrissey rork and joyce it could have been any number and when you look into the history of all of these bands you know there's various people who sort of drifted in and out so it's quite a random collection of people you're with and you're with them in the smith's case and in the case of this other band we're going to talk about five years tops something like that and almost all your time is spent writing songs being fated for those songs touring those songs people going absolutely crazy about those songs also some arguing in the pie chart of course of course and and towards the end more and more arguing as you get more and more successful and the pie gets bigger and bigger more arguments about who gets what chunk of that pie when you split up of course and when you know the phone stops ringing quite so much your spirit is still exactly the same your love for what you do is exactly the same your love for your art is the same the feelings that you have and of the fandom remain the same but there is less and less and less to do you know you are not going into the studio every day with your mates you know you're doing solo albums or you know solo tours that are slightly smaller you're doing all those things and so suddenly that idea of your legacy starts to rear its head and if you are the smiths there's lots of money there as well and you know reunion tours and things like that but that's when you get to the point of but these are three random guys i met in my 20s you know if you think back listeners to just a random group of people that you used to hang out with in your 20s and imagine now you've got 100 million to spread out between you and it's it all comes down to which of you is the most talented.

33:16You know, that's a heady brew. It's not like these are the three musketeers and they'll never be split. They're all bands, by and large, are made up of incredibly disparate individuals. And the adrenaline of being in a gang when you're in your 20s is so enormous. And the fanfare and all of those things is so enormous. But when you were in your 40s and, you know, you've got a, you just bought a home in LA and you've got a home in Tuscany and you've still got a house in Manchester and you actually need a bit more money or maybe you were the drummer and you're not getting as much money as the others.