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25:01But of course, Brian Adams is not from the UK. But Sam Fender and Olivia Dean might break his record next week as well, if they stay at number one for another week. Now, Wet Wet Wet and Brian Adams sold physical singles. To go into a shop, you had to physically actively buy one. Whereas Sam Fender and Olivia Dean, we now live in the age where streaming is a huge part of how a song gets into the charts and how it stays in the charts and why songs stay around for quite so long. The actual story of Raymian is fascinating. It tells you everything you need to know about streaming. So it was Sam Fender's third album.

25:33It was track eight on his third album. It was the sixth single released from that album. And by the way, Sam Fender sells a lot of physical copies of his albums. People buy physical versions of Sam Fender's stuff. And he's also brilliant. If people don't know him, genuinely, he's fantastic. But that song, as I say, sixth single from the album, went into the charts at number 86 in its first week. Olivia Dean was on tour with him. We talked about this a little before. Came and sang it with him. And then she and one of her songwriters wrote a verse. They released that. We should say it's about the breakup of a relationship from the kind of guy's point of view.

26:09But she added a kind of rejoinder. And that is what has... From the female point of view. Which really, really, really works. And they clearly have enormous respect for each other. And Olivia Dean is now so... You know, she was supporting him. And she's now so uber enormous. that it's a real juggernaut and it's a really lovely song as well. But it took 36 weeks to get to number one. That song took 36 weeks to get to number one. It's now been number one for 16 weeks as well. It's been in the charts for over a year. And these are things that didn't used to happen. When we had physical singles, the first four or five weeks, you'd get the odd song like Wet Wet Wet or Bryan Adams that would stick around for three months, but nothing else.

26:51Whereas you look at the charts now, as it was by Harry Styles is still in the top 75. I mean, these things hang around. Number one songs stay something like three times longer than they were in the 60s. What's interesting, but I will probably get to this in a minute, but there's much more churn down the bottom. That has never been more churn-filled, that section of the charts. But the top is... It creates sticky hits, right? Steak streaming, it just... And it's why we don't have Top of the Pops anymore because it would literally be the same songs. I think the highest new entry in the chart this week is like number 38 or something.

27:21I mean, it's just the charts are not what they used to be. I think it's interesting. So it made me really think about streaming because streaming came in 2014, started counting in the charts. So I wanted to look back and try and pinpoint the exact date at which streaming killed physical music. I love you for doing this. And I have an exact date written down. I did a couple of things. So firstly, I looked at the top 50 best-selling singles of all time. So those are the ones that physically sold copies, right, which is not something we really look at now. And of those 50, there's one that was from the 1950s.

27:56That's Bill Haley and the Comets, Rock Around the Clock. There's only four from the 60s. The three of those are the Beatles. One of them is Ken Dodd. In the 70s, we have eight of them. You've got things like Bohemian Rhapsody, Mother Kintyre, You're the One That I Want, Rivers of Babylon, that kind of era when songs are getting hung around for a whole summer. In the 80s, we had 11. You've got things like Band-Aid, Relax, Last Christmas. 90s, we had 15. So I was really, you know, ramping up. You would think that that's the point. So we were really still buying a huge amount of music, physical music, vinyl music, CD music in the 90s.

28:32You got Barbie Girl, you got Bryan Adams and Wet, Wet, Wet, Britney Spears, things like that. In the 2000s, there's only three. Black Eyed Peas is one. Will Young is one. then 2004 they start including digital downloads in the charts so digital downloads still counts as a physical copy of a song because you are paying for it and once you pay for it you own it okay so you've got people going into Woolworths and buying you know a vinyl 70s single but you've also got people literally physically buying music yeah from 2004 or whatever it is yeah exactly and that brings a huge glut of million sellers in the first part of those from some like 2011 to 2014 how about this for a run of songs you have got Adele someone like you 2011 2011 moves like Jagger Maroon 5 2012 somebody that I used to know gotcha 2013 Happy by Pharrell one of the top 10 selling singles of all time Blurred Lines by Robin Thicke Get Lucky by Daft Punk Wake Me Up by Avicii and then 2014 Uptown Funk by Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars.

29:38I mean, that is an absolute sort of, what a golden era. They were all selling over a million there because that was the prime time of digital downloads. So not only were you, there's still some physical music being bought in shops, there's also these digital downloads. But when did we stop buying music at all? And that era of 2011 to 2014 is the absolute key. Okay, there's the complete key. In 2011, when Adele was at number one with someone like you, when she sold over a million, Spotify had fewer than one million users. Fewer than one million in 2011. In 2014, when Uptown Funk, this period of three or four years with these huge sellers and people paying for music, literally paying quite a lot of money.

30:21Giving money. Giving money to artists in exchange for something. When Uptown Funk was number one, end of 2014, 75 million users. So just those three years have gone from under 1 million to 75 million. And what happened in the middle of that is in 2014, the charts started letting streaming in. So from 2014. So Uptown Funk in 2014. After that, after Uptown Funk. So we've had, you know, eight songs in those three years, which are amongst the 50 best-selling singles of all time. How many do you think since 2014 have been in the top 50 best-selling songs of all time? Zero. Not a single one. Uptown Funk was the last ever.

31:00The last ever one after this incredible run. And literally just six months after streaming was allowed into the UK charts as well. Also, I love the fact that your notes, which I can see, though, not read, literally look like you've killed them well again. Yes. You've really got into this. I'm like Charlie Day. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. No, I really, really did get into it. And more to the point with Uptown Funk, not only was it the last ever song to be in that top 50, it also was the first song ever to have two million plus streams in a week the first song in uk chart history so it was the last song ever that people actually bought and it was the first song ever that people really started streaming so the day that got knocked off number one i'm going to say is the day the final day when streaming finally beat the selling of music the selling not the day the music died but the day the day the selling of music died and that was the 8th of February 2015.

31:55So 8th of 20th, we have not had a single song that has been in the top 50. If you look at the streaming charts, it's fascinating. And almost every song is after that era, almost every song, to the extent that. So you've got the 50 best-selling songs of all time in the UK. You've got the 50 most streamed songs of all time in the UK. You would think there'd be a fair bit of crossover there. Some of the biggest songs of all time, you would think there's a fair bit of crossover. There are only two songs on both those lists. Wow. One of which won't be there for long because it's Avicii, Wake Me Up, which is number 50.

32:28Yeah. Even let's assume that was this month's figures, but next month that probably won't be on there. So there is only one song in the history of UK chant music that will be very soon that is in the 50 best-selling singles of all time and the 50 most streamed singles of all time. Do you know what that is? What is it? It's the song that beats everything before it is Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen. Gosh. Yeah? Okay. Yeah. That's pretty impressive, isn't it? It is. So what happens this week? So Ramia might beat Bryan Adams this week. Is that important? Music is different to how it used to be, for sure.

33:05We don't have the monoculture we used to have, that's for sure. But this is how we measure the charts. And this incredible song by these two incredible artists has... Yeah. And it's, by the way, and we've spoken a bit before about how the charts are done, It's very, very hard to keep at the top of the charts these days. Yes, because they try and handicap you, basically, so that there is some movement. Yeah, so it's an incredible achievement. So if it can be Brian Adams this week, it would be 17 weeks at number one. I think, possibly, it might not. I think it might be knocked off at number one this week.

33:37And it all depends on what happens in Atlanta on Wednesday evening. Would you like to have a listen to the song I think might be number one this week and scupper that record?

34:02The unofficial anthem of the England World Cup team. Well, that was and is a cultural phenomenon. Never got to number one when it came out. now that to me is something that you just heard across the country and it just felt like it was everyone was in its grip incredibly catchy sort of a cross between a ballad and a rocker yeah it's become this anthem that they're singing at the end of every England game if we go out then it will fall off a cliff just like Christmas songs do on the 26th of December but if we go through I say we England go through then that might scupper Sam Fender and Olivia Dean they'd probably be happy about that anyway.

34:39Yeah. Be quite a nice thing to lose to. And that is, funnily enough, on the list of the 50 biggest selling singles of all time. And you never know, could just get onto that list of top streamers as well. Got to get to like three and a half billion. Although it doesn't feel like the sort of achievement that it was when Wet Wet Wet did it and Brian Adams did it. I just think it's a different type of achievement in a different generation. And I think it's a great song. And I think if you worry about modern music, you look at the entire recorded works of Sam Fendo you look at the entire recorded works of Olivia Dean uh and we're in pretty good shape but I've really really enjoyed looking back through uh the thing but yeah that's amazing 8th of February 2015 is the day that people stop paying musicians it's also fascinating how many like how how movies just sold songs like yeah both of those other two songs are sold off the back or for weddings and funeral which obviously became a phenomenon and Robin Hood Prince of Thieves yeah exactly and you I had Christian Slater in the video, so I think that's probably what sold the song for me.

35:38But even happy was in... What happened to Christian Slater? What happened to Christian Slater? Oh, my God, he had an incredible run for, like, the late 80s and early 90s, and I loved him so much. I'm amazing. I could do a whole bonus series on the guys who were on my wall, I mean, big time, but... And Christian Slater, I would like to give some proper attention to. I loved him so much. So you would like to give some proper attention to? Yeah, I would. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, that was the point. You know, that's why they're on your wall. Sorry, that's the reality. I knew this chat would end with Christian Slater sorry I just couldn't keep a lid on air he's in the video I can't believe actually Kevin Costner or his agent allowed him to be in the film with Kevin Costner with that dreadful hair but I think Kevin Costner at the time thought he was in his imperial phase and nothing could disrupt him yeah I'm still very much looking forward to Horizon 4 perhaps Christian Slater is in that where are you Christian Slater I love you but anyway congratulations to Sam Fender and Olivia Dean and yeah keep a look out if they break Brian Adams' record next week I have a sneaking thought that Wonderwall might do it.

36:34I think if we win against Argentina, it will do it. Oh, we all want Wonderwall to do it because it will imply something else. Yes, that's true. Apart from Sam Fender. Well, maybe Sam Fender would as well. I think probably everyone's on board with this. Nice to play some music on the podcast as well. Yes. We should do more of that. Yeah, much more music. Yeah. And, you know, maybe even the videos. Yeah. And talking about interactivity, we don't have any interactivity in this next section, which is about the drinks of the summer. Perhaps we should have done. It's a bit early. It is a bit early. Okay.

37:01The drink of the summer, as I say, what is it? And why do we have a notion that we have one? There are obviously always fashions in cocktails. I find cocktail wars the only acceptable form of identity politics. And Winter had a sort of drink this year. It was the dirty martini. And like lots of people sort of talk about it, mention it. I can't do a dirty martini. Oh, I love them. I don't like olives in my non-alcoholic meals. I don't like them in my alcoholic meals, which is what I call drinks. Your alcoholic meals. I love them in my alcoholic meals. So some of the drinks of the summer and so on are about marketing.

37:35In fact, marketing is a huge part of all of these things. Aperol Spritz, let's just get it out there because this is the case in point. Aperol Spritz used to be like a cheap sort of kind of rocks-based bar drink, backstreet thing. It came from Venice originally. And it became this sort of cocktail. They changed everything. They buy the umbrellas. They changed the glasses to this big balloon thing. Campari acquired, I think, in 2023. But by then, it had already become huge. It's like, it's the pulled pork of alcohol. Yeah, yeah. What's amazing about Aperol is that it is low alcohol compared to lots of other similar things, even Campari.

38:14So you need, this is so great, you'd love this. This is the licence to print money because you need a comparatively high volume of it in the drink. So you might put 25 mils of something else in a drink, but an Aperol Spritz has got 45 mils of this thing. So you use more and more of it. Oh, it's an absolute banker. Okay. But it did slightly change people's taste because it's a slightly bitter taste. So this summer, okay, what are we talking about? Hugo Spritz is big. That Saint-Germain liqueur. Now, people front the brands, you see. So Sophie Turner is the face of that. Market research has forced me out to be going out like twice a night for about the last 50 nights.

38:48And you see masses and masses of Hugo Spritzes. Hugo Spritzes are everywhere. And that was quite an obscure liqueur, the Saint-Germain. They've been building that for a long time. So it's very, very impressive. They've been building it. Remember, the visuals of drinks are very, very important. The platforms have completely changed our material world. What people loved about Aperol was that it was orange. It looks great. Photographs really well. It's got to photograph well. Hugo Spritz also look good. But remember, and also it's part of sort of trend culture because people buy and post pictures themselves with drinks because they're able to post it.

39:22It becomes a kind of in-group signifier. It's an identity signaling. It's not about necessarily fancy cocktails, but it's about showing who you are and sort of it's a form of fashion. Yeah. Aperol Spritz is almost perfect because it's not fancy. It feels artisanal. Yeah. And it feels kind of because it does come from Venice and it's a sort of real drink. As you say, it's in that beautiful schooner, so it photographs well. And it sort of tastes okay. But the taste is very much the last part of that. But it's bigger than Campari spritz because Campari spritz is a bit too red. And people find Campari quite bitter.

39:59It's quite medicinal. But I think the actual drink of the summer. First of all, I'm going to do alcoholic and non-alcoholic. Alcoholic, the vodka cran. The vodka cranberry. This was invented by Ocean Spray. Lots of, you know, Ocean Spray. Of course. Really? It was invented by Ocean Spray. How do you invent that? Well, you've got Ocean Spray. It's just about putting some juice in some vodka. Yeah. You're a juice company. You need to put yourself into a cocktail. You need to become a mixer. And they invented it in the 1940s. They called it the Red Devil, a little bit of an unfortunate name at that time because of all the red scare and things like that.

40:31But these Hugo Spritzers, yes, you're seeing them everywhere. But vodka crown, first of all, people think it's Taylor Swift's favourite. Olivia Rodrigo's new album, there's a track on it called Expectations, which contains the lyric rocking a mini dress with a vodka crown and an open heart. Conan Gray did a whole song called Vodka Cramby, which he did at the VMAs. Again, it is a visual drink, but it's also in a time where, like, actually people are starting to ask, you know, when you just get stuck behind. My most unacceptable thing is when people order coffee in a pub. It's like, I'm sorry, this is going to take so long.

41:03Yeah, there are other places for this. But you don't want to get stuck behind in a queue by someone who wants all these complicated drinks. This is a basic, like, serve it to me. By the time they've, you know, made your friend's drink, you can have another one. Pre-can it. Yeah. That's an easy one. Oh, my God. Well, canned is beyond. Canned is like this completely explosive market. Canned of wine, huge now. Yeah. And it's got Y2K vibes as well, the vodka cran. It's got what vibes? Yeah, 2K, you know. Oh, Y2K. Y2K, Y2K. Why has vodka cran got Y2K vibes? It has, because it's the sort of thing that people...

41:35Before, you know, people went mainstream with cocktails and things like complicated... Oh, we didn't used to have cocktails, did we? Yeah. No, but that's... It's a drink in a mixer. It's a drink in a mixer. It's very simple. It's simple. But for Gen A... I've never seen you so energized on an item. Yeah, don't worry. I'm going down to nothing. I know. What nourishes me also destroys me. Yeah. It's so interesting to see. Yeah. I mean, just a peek behind the mask.

41:59I've got to run it and I'm too old. You're poor kids. Let me get down to their generation's drink. The Gen A, the mega, mega drink, is from Starbucks. It's the Strawberry Acai Lemonade Refresher, okay? Okay. This thing is beyond the status drink. It was started first by teens. They customise it a lot. It's very interesting. You'll be interested in this. OK, it's part of like little treat culture. It's like kind of, you know, it can be expensive, but it started by sort of cool teens. And then like Le Boo Boo's or Stanley Cups, it becomes what they imagine to be basic. So it lowers down the age range.

42:31But Starbucks used to not appeal to teens at all. But they only started in 2012. They started doing coloured drinks, but crucially, they did cold drinks. and then 37 % of the drinks they used to sell were cold. In less than a decade, it was 75%, okay? It is massive. This drink... Are you saying 75 % of drinks that Starbucks sell are cold? Are cold. And this strawberry acai lemonade refresher is absolutely huge amongst... You can't move for it on, you know, people posting pictures of it. I call it a self. Yes, yes, it's a... Yeah, it's a sal. Strawberry acai lemonade refresher. No, salar. Oh, yeah, that's bad.

43:07The salar, yeah. I call it a mo. A mo, yeah. Yeah, it's a mo. It's a mo. Again, has to photograph well. But these teens and tweens are all on drink talk. They customise it in millions of drink talk. They customise it in millions of ways. They think it's ASMR, the noise of the eyes. They have their first sips, and Starbucks have really lent into it. God, I bet they have. Yeah. I would. And also of being a place to hang out because they don't have places to hang out. You know, the other thing is something like matcha, which is now an entire aesthetic, that kind of green ombre. I cannot get with it.

43:36Especially every single matcha shop has matcha the day written. yeah it's worse than hairdressers now but i've never hated the hairdresser puns but there's something about the matcha ones that's really irks and there's something that's come off secret lives of mormon wives which is beyond it's called the dirty soda okay and it's a fizzy drink with cream and syrup there's like 90 grams of sugar in one wow yeah it that is a big thing okay Dirty soda. That would be my rap name. It would be my private investigator name. But, okay, so that is, so I think it's the vodka crown because actually that's the sort of advanced one.

44:12But the sort of lower level, the things that people are discarding because they think they've become basic are things like Hugo Spritz or whatever. And the strawberry acai lemonade refresher will be going down from the cool teens to the tweens, like the boo-boos did. But there's so much money in it. It's unbelievable. Some of the biggest companies in the world are drinks companies in their various iterations. I mean, so it's one of those things where for every sort of fun little photo of, you know, the sunlight through an Aperol spritz, there's like a multi, multi, multi, multi billion industry.

44:46These people are paying to be your, we all pay to be their influencers. It's clever. It's unbelievable. And the same with the tweens and the same with their drink talk and then shaking the eyes. They're doing, everyone works for free for these companies if they get it right. I went down to see Ollie Smith this week, the BBC wine expert who I love down in Sussex, which now is like the wine country champagne was 30 years ago. I said, we've got to invent next year's summer drink, Ollie. Oh, my God. I really want you to. Yeah. With a bit of Sussex sparkling wine. Well, you know something like British, right?

45:15Yeah. Because we have amazing, you know, the sparkling wine in Sussex. Yeah, it's got to have that in. Insane. And then like, we'll maybe find like some sort of neglected English look here from somewhere. Yeah. But it's, I imagine it's harder than it sounds. It takes longer than it sounds. Given that all the people who currently have the drinks of the summer are all multi-billion dollar corporations, and it's just me and Ollie sitting there with a drink going, I'll tell you what we should do. If anyone can game the system and work out and drive himself mad is the person who made those notes about the number ones.

45:46About the number ones, yeah. That guy can do it. I believe in him. Any recommendations this week apart from alcohol-based ones? Apart from continuing to burn the candle at both ends. Yes, somebody has now had number one albums in five decades, and it's Madonna. I really like Confessions 2. I think it's great. It's a great pop album. It's really good. Okay, and we talked a bit about how the film is probably never going to happen, but in a way, this album is better than that. It's looking back on her career in lots of ways. There's lots of callbacks to stuff. It's really good. But she does just have this cast-iron belief in her own exceptionalism and strength.

46:25And where's the lie? I think I really like it. Really good. Excellent. I'm going to recommend on Apple, Widow's Bay, the Matthew Rhys show, which is sort of like a comedy horror, but it's really good. And anyone who's ever wanted to write or anything, what's the first 10 minutes of that and see the world setting and see the character setting. It's so beautifully done. Matthew Rhys is amazing. Funnily enough, we've got a question in the Q &A about why there are so many British actors in Hollywood. And I had a really, really, really interesting chat with a casting director about it. so we'll deal with that on the Q &A.

46:53But Matthew Rhys is amazing in it. It's really, really smart. It's written by Katie Dippold, who wrote Parks and Rec and all sorts of things. So I really, really love that. And it's also just, from nowhere, just got a whole load of Emmy nominations as well. I can absolutely see why. So Widow's Bay on Apple. It's really, really, it's kind of funny, quirky. It's a bit scary, bits of it. But it's, you know, the humour kind of overrides everything. Now, can you please tell me what your World Cup of is this week? Yes, it is. And I've been looking forward to this one very much. The World Cup of UK quizzes.

47:28Oh, my God. So we've got everything there. I thought I thought I had a disturbance in the force. We've got The Chase. We've got Pointless. We've got Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. We've got The Lot. Mastermind, Uni Challenge. Talking to John Robbins, amazing Adam about it. I really, really, really loved it. So that's available to members from tomorrow. If you want to be a member, go to therestisentertainment.com. We'd love to have you. but equally we love everyone who isn't a member as well. We love you all equally. And we'll be answering your questions and the Q &A on Thursday. So see you then.

48:00Bye.

48:14Hello and welcome to Doing It Anyway, a brand new series from Goalhanger. I'm Katty Kay. I've spent years studying the science and art of confidence, writing books about how we can close the confidence gap between men and women, and talking to experts and younger women about how to pass it on. Confidence means taking risks, acknowledging your fears, and, well, doing it anyway. In this series, I'll be talking to psychologists, entrepreneurs, and business leaders to unpack how you can rethink challenges and grow your own confidence. We'll talk about how to spot the difference between confidence and competence, how to deal with office politics and stolen credit and, yes, handling rejection, and ultimately how you can become a better leader, teammate, and, yes, a better person.

49:01Doing it anyway with Katty K every Friday, wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, everybody. It's Dominic here from The Rest Is History. I just wanted to let you all know that on our sister podcast, The Book Club, we have just released an episode digging deep into George R.R. Martin's A Game of Thrones, the first book in his Song of Ice and Fire sequence. We go deep into the history behind Game of Thrones. So we go into the Wars of the Roses, Hadrian's Wall. We talk about the influence of J.R.R. Tolkien in comparisons with The Lord of the Rings. But Tabby, we also talk, don't we, about George R. R.

49:37Martin's apparent stagnation and whether he's actually ever going to finish the books. We investigate why it is that he has battled to finish them at all and whether he will ever be able to. But if you want to hear lots more about the history behind some of the greatest novels of all time, fear not. Coming up on the book club, we have The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi de Lampedusa, which is all about Italian unification. we talk about Circe where we delve into a particular part of the Odyssey and then after that we are doing the 39 steps which Dominic you chose and you love please join us at the book club it's loads of fun and you will never find a better way to spend your life bye bye