The Chappell Roan Bodyguard Drama

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2:08Hello and welcome to this episode of The Rest is Entertainment, questions and answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde.

2:14Richard Osman:And I'm Richard Usman. Hello listeners. Hello Marina. Hello Richard. How are you? I'm very well. We're going to be answering questions. We've also got a couple of celebrities answering questions as well today. That's the thing on this show. if you send in questions, occasionally we'll put your questions really to some quite impressive people. I think we've outdone ourselves this week. More on that later. Before that, you're going to have to listen to boring old us answer some questions, I'm afraid. Hit me with one. You ready to go straight in? Danny has a question. Danny says, In a statement made by Brazilian footballer Jorginho, I tell you what, it's not often we start with that, is it?

2:45Richard Osman:He's claimed that Chapel Rowan's security guard made his daughter cry while on holiday. This story's been all over the papers. After she seemed excited, they were both staying at the same resort? In your opinion, should you always just leave a celebrity alone? There are so many strands to this question. I agree, Jorginho, we loved him at Chelsea, was an interesting advocate for this particular angle about stars and fans. What's the story here? His current partner, and actually her daughter was Jude Law, so it's not actually Jorginho's daughter. Again, there's a lot of angles which we have more time to get into.

3:17Richard Osman:So, Jorginho is with the mother of Jude Law's child. Yeah, I mean, I think he's got seven children. This is a spider's web already. It is. Just park that for the moment. We are going to have no time for those celebrity answers, I'm afraid. They're in Sao Paulo. Chapel Rowan's performing that night. And actually, the daughter's got tickets. They happen to be in the same fancy hotel. And the daughter, just because they say, oh, she's over there. You know, the daughter doesn't confront. She's 11. She's also the most incredibly adorable little picture of her. She just walks past the table. Yeah. That was like me with Dennis Healy on Hewisley Station in 1979.

3:57Richard Osman:Just walking past going, yeah, it's him. It's him. Dennis Healy was my Chapel Rowan. That should be the title of your autobiography. I then suddenly, Dennis Healy's bodyguard pushes me onto the tracks. Yeah. He didn't really. Well, a bodyguard who is obviously assumed to be Chapel Rowan's bodyguard comes up and says to the mother of this girl, you need to control your daughter. You don't do that. You never behave like that. The girl's in tears, the whole thing. She doesn't end up going to the Chapel Rowan show that night. Chapel Rowan's then since posted saying this bodyguard was not working for me.

4:30I kind of really into the story because like what there's just a sort of random mercenary wandering around the hotel breakfast. But hang on a minute, because this bodyguard, it's quite interesting. this is the bodyguard who was the one who was supposed to be guarding Kim Kardashian when she had that awful genuinely horrific experience in Paris when she's they break in they tie her up and they steal all the jewellery now this guy

4:54Richard Osman:and he's still working he really needs to go back to bodyguard school because he first of all he didn't check the Insta which is like a key part of bodyguard duties nowadays she'd posted and it included the location Kim Kardashian yeah posted pictures of the jewellery he'd gone out to a nightclub with Courtney and Kendall I think the insurance company sued him personally in the end so the bit I haven't got yet is what's on earth this freelance mercenary bodyguard is doing wandering around the hotel Redemption Arc and maybe trying to get in on her security team anyway she's people have a thing about Chapo Rone because she said I don't want fans coming up to me and lots of things that are very sympathisable with if that's a phrase in the modern era where people just feel like they have this parasocial relationship and you feel like you're never off and people do have far fewer boundaries.

5:42So it's really bad for her reputation, this, and you can see that she's really, and she's tried to find the hotel to say this person wasn't working with us because I think it makes her look dreadful because of things we already know about her and because of beliefs that some people just have, like, you know, we pay your wages and you should be available to us at all times. So in terms, I don't think the girl, Georgina's stepdaughter, did anything wrong whatsoever in walking past the table. and I don't think any celebrity would really think that. People do have this very, very weird way of behaving with celebrities.

6:13I mean, Billie Eilish said she was approached at a funeral for selfies. Adele just talked about being in the gym. Selena Gomez, who has lupus and requires various hospital stays, has been approached by people in hospital. And, you know, we go back to the days of the bad old days of the noughties and Britney Spears and people would just hang around hospital entrances. It's very odd what people do. so many celebrities love people coming up to even it can obviously become overwhelming but a lot of people love to be told i love you you're fantastic that they are in the entertainment industry and i have to say that they often do like that if they're having their breakfast she didn't do anything wrong she just walked past the table but i there are there is a time and a place yeah if you want

6:55Richard Osman:basic etiquette you can almost always certainly if you by the way if you just recognize someone from tv do not go up to them right if you like uh like that you just you know just let people go about the day if you're yeah if you if you you know for example if you've watched on a show or you've been to see them live or you bought a book or anything like that you it is absolutely your right you can go and say hello just want it you know it's nice to see you in the street absolutely you can do that the only times you wouldn't do it if someone is someone once told me when i was for a train that's that yeah because because of course you have to stop you can't you know so don't do that uh yes if someone's with their kids and they're all chatting away there's just but again it's common sense but i would say don't even worry about it 99 of times that anyone's ever approached me or anyone's ever approached people i've worked with it's you people people instinctively know to do it but if you do not really know who somebody is you could just the Unless someone knows you, the more of your time they will take up.

7:57Richard Osman:That is for sure. Half of it will be asking you to identify yourself. Yeah. You do get people going, sorry, where do I know you from? Literally, I am walking down the street. You know, it's, oh, can I get a selfie? And you go, this is terrible. You say, if someone, I can't remember who told me this, but they said, if someone asks you for a selfie, just say, if you can tell me my name, you can have a selfie. I think Claudia Winkleman signed loads of autographs as Davina McCall just to make them happy. Because they don't want her. They just wanted Davina. So she would, I don't, I think it happens quite so much now, but back in the day, she signed a lot of Davina McCall.

8:33She was always Davina.

8:34Richard Osman:But that's the thing is it is, it's nice for everybody. But yeah, it's, if you don't know who's, if you don't know someone's name, don't approach them. But weird bodyguarding. I mean, bodyguarding has become so well because so many of them are now, because there's a whole layer of, we've talked lots about this, there's a whole new layer of celebrities that need bodyguards. So how many of these people are out live streaming TikTokers, you know, YouTubers? You know where they are. If you saw Louis Theroux's Manosphere documentary, you see the HS Tiki-Toki, who, by the way, in my view, is a kind of marauding presence.

9:04He's the one who apparently needs various bodyguards down in Puerto Bernice in Marbella while he's going around sort of talking to women on the street who have not asked him to come up to them. So there's this whole layer of new people who want protecting. It's also a status thing that people are saying, oh, I want one for Saturday night, because it looks like it's a way of being the big I am. You know, there's my bodyguard. You don't need a bodyguard. No, no, it's who you are. But there's a whole layer of people. So always in there. And some of the bodyguards have become stars themselves. Because if you're live streaming, you've just got to have this crew around you and they all become part of the content in the end.

9:38And that's happened with so many YouTubers. So I would say that there's now a lot more bodyguards than there ever were. and clearly some of them just are wandering around hotel breakfasts just trying to look proactive. I can't think of any other explanation.

9:52Richard Osman:That's weird. We don't know his name, right? We do. He's called Pascal Duvier. Is he? I should say he's actually come out and conceded he wasn't working for her. That's amazing. And he genuinely was just like freelance bodyguarding around the buffet. Wow. Not his exact words, but that's what he was doing. He was in a dining room in a hotel. Was he looking after someone else? it's not he didn't say that at all in the statement he doesn't say anything about that he just says i wasn't anything to do with it i wonder whether so much pressure has been brought to bear on him and he's been told he'll never work in this industry again but as i say he will because so many people need them didn't someone describe him as the forrest gump of celebrity drama he's much more of an active agent in these moments i think because he clearly the paris thing was a huge veiling with Kim Kardashian.

10:40And here, again...

10:41Richard Osman:A tiny veiling. As my children say, I didn't ask. What are you doing? I didn't ask you to bodyguard? A question from John Hunter here. I've never seen Titanic and I never will. I know how it ends. Whenever I say this out loud, people shout at me. What film and TV series have you never and will never see? He's absolutely right. And I am terrible with this. There's lots of... You've got masses. I haven't seen Titanic, for example. but again I sort of feel like I have seen it because I've seen like a million clips like if you if you want to do a joke about Titanic I'll know what it's about they'll be on the prow of the ship or paint me like your French goes I mean all this stuff yeah I know I've heard all that yeah I speak Titanic funnily enough I had a lot more um blind spots for a married Ingrid because Ingrid would start talking to me about um you know I think about the sound of music would be And I'll go, oh, I've never seen The Sound of Music.

11:34And she'll be like, I'm sorry?

11:36Richard Osman:I go, well, I've never seen The Sound of Music. It is actually a deal breaker. You have never seen The Sound of Music? Well, no. When would I have seen it? Don't worry, in three hours you will have. Would be my point. Yeah, exactly. And she would say, well, like growing up, I say, well, did you watch the 1979 FA Cup final when Alan Sunderland scored in the last minute? No, you didn't. Well, that's what I was doing. That's the stuff that I was watching. Anyway, so listen, spoiler alert, I have now seen The Sound of Music. culturally she completes you as well as in so many other ways absolutely does and the sound of music like all these things i thought well i know this film i've seen because i've seen every single clip of it and then you watch it you go oh my god this is amazing this is why people like sound of music right there's a reason that some of these iconic films are iconic because it's got all those clips you've seen but in between it you're like oh i didn't know this was going to happen in this film so i hadn't seen sound of music now i have i hadn't seen top gun which for ingrid was all i think was even worse she put that right almost immediately i think it was almost like third date yeah uh we had to go see top gun and again wow that what a great third date yeah it really was great at a drive-in um and it was uh so i saw that and again i thought i'd seen all of it because i've seen so many clips of it and well you get to see all the in-between i see something different every time exactly it's very very multi-layered um west side story i hadn't seen now i have seen it mary poppins i hadn't seen now i have seen it so where are my actual blind spots now i would say almost every single disney movie i have not seen and will never see it just doesn't speak to me and when my kids were growing up the pixar stuff was all coming out you know so you know you had monsters ink and you had toy story you know is absolutely the golden age of that so that those were the things that you know i watched with the kids and you know i'd never watched the um disney when i was growing up i will never watch disney at all tv wise this is i've got an ingrid one and a non-ingrid one so i had never watched the sopranos right but i had never watched the sopranos for a different reason which is not oh god i'm not interested in watching the sopranos i knew that i was incredibly excited to watch the sopranos at some point but i knew i wanted to watch it with somebody and in my head a tiny bit of me was going i wonder if that person will show up and very very early on on a date with Ingrid we're talking about tv and I said talk about the soprano she goes do you know what I've never seen the sopranos and the reason I never seen it is I keep I want to watch it with someone uh and I keep waiting for that person to turn up and so we're both like oh my god this is so romantic I love it and then we both agreed we wouldn't start watching it till after we got married which is what we just said now we are now watching uh we are now watching the sopranos but it's absolutely that one of we we were we were saving it for the right person uh and we found that lovely i know people who save things thinking when i'm really down i'm gonna have the whole of that because i know i'll love it and i've got that as you know banked away and i know lots of people who do that but a tv thing i've never seen i suspect i never will now for reasons i can't really think of other than i think it would be a big investment now and the time has gone game of thrones never seen it don't think i ever will see have you have you got any but i'm trying to think what they are they're not immediately obvious to me this is different but like him just to go back to john's point about i never seen it and i know and i never will i know how it ends john i'm not besmirching this way but it does slightly remind me of michael owen's funny thing like michael owen won't watch films is that right you remind me of this michael owen won't watch films because it's just people pretending and it's not real it didn't happen the football of michael owen so what's the point yeah it didn't happen so i was like yeah anyway it slightly reminded me of that yeah exactly yeah titanic is not about the ending it's about the craft and by the craft i don't mean the titanic because that sunk yes you remember it's just sorry i was actually thinking about the craft nev campbell um horror movie which you probably haven't seen i have not seen i'm not sure have you seen the little mix video for black magic which is basically a pure reader cross little mix are like girls in high school and they're kind of nerds and then everybody falls in love with them and they become the cool girls.

15:43Richard Osman:That's Neve Campbell's The Craft. That's The Craft, but done, ripped off as a little mix, an homage by a little mix. If I were to watch one of them, I should probably just do that because it'd be quicker. Just watch a little mix video. Yeah, God, that's easier, isn't it? Anyway, thank you, John. On email, do send us in stuff that you have never watched, particularly if there's an unusual reason for it or you just refuse. Because quite often, I always think that if one person tells you to watch something, you're like, no. if five people tell you to watch something you watch it if 12 people tell you to watch something you think oh i'm gonna watch this thing everyone's talking about so it's that sweet spot but do let us know if you have so i would say that the disney and game of thrones are my my two big blind spots i don't think i don't think i would ever fix them let's go to a break and then after our break we will get to those celebrity answers which i'm excited for some big celebrities as well yeah

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17:39Richard Osman:Welcome back, everybody. Now, we promise you celebrities, who is the lucky listener who's had that question answered by a celebrity? Alex Booth, your question has been answered by a big celebrity. Now, Alex Booth has this question. How do actors know when it's time to say goodbye to a show? is it tough to know when to go out on a high? Literally, there's sort of a show about that, which is the comeback, the Lisa Kudrow show that's currently on HBO. That's somebody who finished on, you know, the highest profile show of all time. So we just thought maybe rather than us answer it, Alex, we would get Lisa Kudrow to answer it.

18:12Richard Osman:And also because it's about the comeback, Michael Patrick King is one of the writers on that show who has interesting things to say about when writers want to leave shows as well. So Lisa and Michael here answering that question. I mean, for some actors, yeah, they want to go out on a high. And, you know, on Friends, I guess, yeah, we went out when we were still, I think, number one or behind number two, behind Survivor or something. But, yeah, I think also for some people, they feel like the stories are getting strained, you know. And the writers also have a say in when it's done because they feel the stories are getting strained.

18:54So I know for us there was an agreement. And on the comeback, yeah, Michael and I, we kind of share a brain when it comes to this show. It's true. I mean, the thing is it does come from the writing first. I believe Lisa could play Valerie forever. But as writers, we created it, and we really like that it's been kind of a dense experience, and we wouldn't want to water it down. It became the brand of the show that we come back and then go. And this time, we're not coming back. We're just here to enjoy the last comeback. Yeah. Now it's a full piece, right? It would have been weird if it was two seasons, and then, okay, that's not a thing.

19:39But a third makes it a trilogy and a whole piece. Also, I think it's important to, as writing, you leave your main character where you want her to be. And we're both very, very happy about where Valerie landed. Yeah. I mean, you know how much I love this show. The comeback, yeah. It's your absolute favourite, right? So right. It is now a trilogy. It's really interesting. And the stuff about it coming from writers as well. Yeah. Because sometimes you're not in kind of lockstep as to when it's over. You know, I know when they came to do Succession, which was obviously at the absolute peak of everything, it was such a huge and culturally celebrated show.

20:20And of course, they could have done more. And I remember, you know, Jesse talking about it saying, you know, I started Jesse Armstrong, who created it, saying I started thinking, could we go around again? But actually I felt, no, we can't do this and then have a fifth season. We'll do, we'll finish it here because having talked it through and it's really good when people just feel like they're not, they're not going to just flog it for the sake of it because it's just this huge behemoth. Also, I know other people who have been, and I know that there are shows where actors you see in the later series of it.

20:55Sometimes I wasn't quite sure what was happening in later series of something like Veep where I was thinking, I'm not sure that was your original character. But actors want to do something different. And they feel like they've done the same things many, many times.

21:06Richard Osman:It's like, funnily enough, we're on season nine of The American Office at the moment. And Ed Helms' character is completely different. You think, oh, I don't know about this. But I think Lisa Kudrow's point is interesting there. So if you're an actor leaving a show or ending a show or a writer ending a show, it's two different things. As an actor, you are very, very visible on that. You know, you are literally – and you're giving of yourself emotionally all the time. And as an actor, you're thinking, but I do want to do the next thing. I do want to do the next thing. and I don't want people to get bored with me.

21:32Richard Osman:So that's an interesting place to be. But as a writer, this is not always necessarily true, but quite often as a writer of a show, you have been working an awful lot longer and an awful lot harder on that show than an actor has. Because an actor will come in and they'll work their socks off, but a writer has been doing this for years and years and years and years and years and will often understand the limitations of a character has been pushed to exactly where they can be pushed to and they have to do something else. So I think usually if a show is a hit, there's always pressure on you to keep doing it.

22:06Richard Osman:There's always pressure on you to keep taking the money. And especially in American TV, the money goes up and up and up and up and up. But good actors and good writers usually go, I've taken this as far as I'm going to take it. And you could tell with Michael Patrick King talking there, the understanding that as a writer, there was a story to be told. He felt it had been told. Lisa, as the actor, feels it has been told as well. It doesn't matter what they offer you to do in other series. It's like writing a book. I've got to the end of the book. Let's close the book. It's like Claudia and Tess leaving Strictly in it.

22:41The dream is you do it together, and there's not some. Yeah, I think that's definitely the case.

22:45Richard Osman:Yeah, they do say never quit the hit, but I think sometimes that's wrong. I think sometimes you have to just kind of go. You have to know when to leave the stage, right? Right. how about a question um actually for you rather than for lisa goodrow is that all right i don't know what if people switch off yeah they go i really like it does everything better than me trust me isabel has a question for you last week we talked about mcguffins isabel said i love your discussion about mcguffins but what are your favorite examples of chekhov's gun in movies can you explain to people what chekhov's gun is yeah chekhov's gun in screenwriting movie writing is anything that's introduced and that you see any element it's not just sort of there randomly it's it has a point and that point is sort of paid off later and it comes from originally the phrase Chekhov's gun Chekhov said you cannot have a gun on stage and have it not go off and it relates to the seagull yeah I'm not going to do masses of spoilers throughout all of this yeah and so the you know the point of that whole thing is if something is introduced in a film a piece of information a piece of backstory an object and it seems to bear no relation to anything that happens from that moment on at the end of the film it will become important so the idea would be never ever show a gun if it's not going to be fired yeah and in something like shawn of the dead which where it's a literal gun the pub they go to all the time is called the winchester and there's a winchester rifle up above the bar and then you eventually that you will see that rifle get used yeah it's absolutely basic tenet of any of if you interested at all in either watching or writing is if something crops up if something is mentioned if something is even alluded to it will later be used i mean that you you don't waste anything you can't just sort of go off on the kind of flights of fancy anything you do has to sort of be drawn back in at some point and check off gun is is is sort of is the term we use for that which is don't introduce something that then disappears i really love it when it's done brilliantly so to think of top three was quite hard i'm including i mean i have to say isabel doesn't ask for top three it's interesting favorite examples i know exactly now you've been institutionalized i've absolutely got to you she's absolutely allowing you to be open-ended about it you've you're right yeah well i have mention shorter than that i'm gonna have to mention another the next edgar wright and simon peg and nick frost all those guys hot fuzz where it's so so many things it's ridiculous it's almost sort of it's a joke about it really every single little thing that you see at the start in or in act one is paid off yeah in in act three again things i've watched recently which are somehow top of my mind i would say the pinboard in the usual suspects i'll leave it at that but i think ultimately i have to say because I love it so much I think it's so brilliant is Back to the Future that the whole of Back to the Future which I watched again recently and it was a film that it was so hard for them to get off the ground they just tried so many different ways of getting that film off the ground it's directed by Bob Zemeckis and it's written by him and a guy called Bob Gale and it there were all these raunchy teen comedies at the times kind of racy things and it wasn't like that at all and anyway they managed to get it made if you've got time just go and watch the first scene again every single thing in that first scene before you even see a human you see someone on the news talking about the stolen um not uranium plutonium there are all the clocks there's so many things in the first scene before you've seen any human at all save the clock all these things that happen everything is paid off it is so satisfying it is so much more sophisticated than the raunchy teen comedies that were almost preventing it being made it is and the way and it's done in such a light touched way and i remember watching it in cinemas and thinking oh that's so cool and you knew you could watch it all fitting back together as a puzzle in such a beautiful way and it feels so light touch even though it's quite a complicated plot to get people to you know to understand that those kind of temporal loops and wormholes and all that sort of thing even things like the family photos where he's fading out of them that you know that becomes that's a sort of checker's card and it's also a tick tock on the whole like can i can i make all these other things work together in concert to save the to save my family and save the film and save my existence i i think it's absolutely brilliant that and it's so accessible and so mainstream and when you're watching it you're not in any doubt that like oh there was a point to that someone's saying save the clock tower handing the leaflet all of it has a point yeah and i love it it's so fun and it's it's just joyful but it is check off gun is is the perfect thing if you're watching things you really want to understand how things are put together is you know like you know whenever someone sort of at the end is tied up by a villain you think how are they going to get out of this and then suddenly a lasso comes in he goes oh my god they talked about going to radio school yeah they literally talked about it and like and i thought it was just a bit of conversation and stuff it sort of actually spoils almost movies when you when you realize that every single thing is going to come back everything you think of course that's good they have you cannot leave a loop opened but no matter when it's done so lightly yeah yeah that you you're not really aware of it happening and you suddenly but also it feels impossible that all of those things could be paid off and it feels impossible actually when you're watching the first even three minutes of the first scene of back to future that all of those things can be completely integral to the plot yeah it's like how lovely it is and it sort of shows you when it's set and it shows you kind of how people get through the day that um you know andy dufresne has a poster of rita hayworth on his wall you think oh that's cute he's got a picture of rita hayworth and And, you know, it's not kind of, and then, oh, the poster has changed to Brigitte Bardo.

28:22Richard Osman:And it just shows that, you know, time is moving on. And, you know, anyone who's seen Shawshank Redemption knows, that is not what is happening there. They're sort of Chekhov's guns. But just those things where at the end, where you think, well, how on earth has this happened? And you go, that thing they mentioned. Oh, my God, it was that thing that they mentioned ages ago. I've had so many screenwriters and writers with such a long WhatsApp argument this week about what a MacGuffin is, by the way. Oh my God, don't talk to me about it. So yeah, I've had a tight five hours of caring about it all.

28:55Richard Osman:I've got a, can I tell you that we found a form of words in the end that we all agreed with as to what a MacGuffin is. Oh, by the way, and everyone was talking about Kiss Me Deadly, which is that, which is the Mickey Spillane movie, which has absolutely kind of the original golden suitcase thing. but the uh here's a definition of mcguffin that we were all it was like the kyoto protocols and we all went okay this this is acceptable the mcguffin is the bit that explains the motivation but doesn't need to be in and of itself explained there we go that's all we've got i mean we're now gonna have to spend the next week defining what a check-off's gun is yes i mean i see alfred hitchcock was not on on your group he was not if he'd been on your group he would have george And George Lucas would have said a different thing too.