The Cult Of British Celebrity Boyfriends

23:02But Styles is the master of the form. Now, if you're asking me how this all ends... Yes, please. I have to say that looking at the form book, it generally ends with you going back to America and marrying like a, you know, ball player or an ice road trucker or something like that and writing a song like Wood. I don't make the rules. Maybe the cultural divide can't be breached in perpetuity. So there's a lovely American thing where they get to have a little kind of British holiday. In fact, like The Holiday. Yes. Like that movie, right? Well, that is a field guide, I hope, to something. And you can see them doing all of these things.

23:36I mean, you know, just run your way through Google Images. You'll find them all on Lime bikes, outside, you know, holding a Camden Hells, walking a dog in North London. This is the type. These are the activities. Keep watching because new ones keep coming onto the scene. And, you know, don't assume that top 10 is a hegemony. Oh, it can change. It can change. That can change. It's fluid. Will you at any point just update us occasionally? I will update you, yes. If there's a new entry in that list. If people are coming in on and off the market. If, for example, Caspar Joplin doesn't have the longevity that we're currently thinking he might do.

24:13Well, then it'll be interesting to see what he does next. That was an education. Thank you so much. Thank you. I hope you have more neurons now than when we started. Genuinely, I love it. I genuinely love hearing about people I've never heard of before. Above all, I want this podcast to be improving. And I think that really was mission statement critical. It is. It's like when you finish listening to Diary of a CEO and think, great, I've got five or six takeaways from my life there, which I will instantly forget. Thank you. We're the same, aren't we? You're welcome. You're so welcome. After the adverts, when we're going to talk about Warner Music, there's a British celebrity boyfriend in that.

24:48I know who you mean. As well. Potential British celebrity boyfriend. Yes, so we can talk about that. Marina, thank you so much. Shall we have some ads? Let's do that.

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27:06Welcome back, everybody. By the way, I should mention that our Thursday Q &A is with Ben Elton, the writer of so many amazing things, from The Young Ones to Blackadder to all... We have had a lot of questions for Ben Elton, and we will be putting the best ones, and some of the worst ones, to him. On Thursday. We are now going to talk about all the dramas at Warner Music and what that sort of means for the British music industry and also globally. Yeah, the British music industry is the thing. Anyone who's in the British music industry, what's recently happened at Warner's, everyone is up in arms.

27:39And we'll discuss why that might be. The context of this whole thing is most of the world's recorded music is controlled by three companies. It's a Universal Music Group, it's Sony Music and it's Warner's Music. The Majors. The majors, exactly. And they controlled about 70 % of the market, which might as well be pretty much. Every single big act you've ever heard of are on one of those labels in the UK or in the US or whatever. Run by, and remember some of these names, Warner's Music is owned by Len Blavatnik, friend of the podcast, A24, all of that kind of stuff. Billionaire who runs absolutely everything.

28:15Remember the surname Blavatnik because we'll get onto it again. the other two universal and sony are run by lucian grange runs universal music group and rob stringer runs sony both brits by the way and that's significant because britain punches far far far above its weight in music and it has done forever it always has it's but it was new york la and then london you want to go back to the beatles i mean we just we absolutely are one of the big powers in recorded music and which is why our music industry has always been so huge why it's always been so loved why you know the the heritage of it is so huge and why it's just fetishized by everyone around the world British music now about a month ago uh Warners UK a guy called Tony Harlow leaves being the head of Warners UK um who do they replace him with nobody okay so nobody now runs Warners UK and they're not waiting for somebody or they're not putting out for tender they just don't think that warner's uk needs somebody running it so warner's uk is now run from america so it's run by warner's and run by atlantic records as well yeah they have atlantic and warner and those are the two sort of big labels under the warner music aegis so warner's which is which is the label which you know it's bought us led zeppelin david bowie pink floyd iron maiden radiohead charlie xcx dual leaper stormzy fred again i mean it's this huge thing there is now a sense that nobody in the UK needs to run it.

29:44We don't need any British input into how Warners is run. It is run instead from America. Department heads reporting to big American executives. So what is a record company? Essentially, if you're Warners, record companies do an awful lot of terrible things, but they are sort of a glue which hold the whole of the British music industry together. They have A &R people, they have people with amazing ears who know a hit when they hear it. They'll bring bands on, they'll develop bands, they will introduce bands to other types of music. There's just this thing that this kind of lifeblood running through the whole of British music, these record companies have been incredibly important.

30:20We now feel that, certainly Warners feel it, whatever what Sony and Universal are going to do, we will get on to. But there's this feeling that that is no longer how we discover music, that's no longer how we grow music, that actually this whole kind of phalanx of A &R people and, you know, Brits with great ears in tiny pubs in northern towns, you know, finding the next big thing. Or, you know, Alan McGee finding Oasis in Glasgow. That is not where we find our music anymore. That is not how we grow our music anymore. Everything we do, pretty much, and this is a simplification, but not much of a simplification.

30:57Everything we do is via TikTok. That's where we can instantly road test new songs, new artists, new looks. we can absolutely get real-time feedback on what music is going to sell what music appeals to what demographic and what music appeals you know in which countries and it means that there is a move afoot to kind of abandon everything that british music was to kind of go oh no these people who managed to find you know pink floyd and these people who managed to sort of understand what zeppelin were and you know who helped bowie along the road it's not that is not the thing we need the market will do this job for us and the market can be run out of america very very very easily so it sounds like it's a minor thing that a man leaves his job running the warner's record labels in the uk and isn't replaced but actually it's a huge cultural shift sony and universal the first thing of course that they'll be doing is they'll be on the phone to coldplay and ed sheeran and duolipo and saying you know you don't have a sort of british representation anymore you know you're not being run out of Britain anymore, perhaps you'd like to come to us.

32:01That'd be the first thing they're doing. I do think it's interesting that the last two major artists that were broken internationally in the UK, and we haven't had any for a long time, I would say were Dua Lipa and Charlie XCX. And even Charlie XCX maybe isn't at that Dua Lipa level of being a sort of global superstar yet. But there hasn't really been anyone since then, because the charts are US dominated. Yeah, and the charts are US dominated because the pipeline into the chart is almost entirely TikTok. So if I'm Universal or Sony, the first thing I'm doing, I'm talking to Ed Sheeran, talking to Coldplay, Dua Lipa saying, come and see us.

32:34But the second thing I'm doing is just keep an eye and see how this goes for six months at Warners. And if it works okay for Warners, do exactly the same thing, which is we don't really need this kind of British label here. You know, the Germans are doing the same thing. Germany has ceded control of the German market to other territories. You know, all of these record companies will be kind of going, I mean, do we really need this sort of phalanx of people, you know, operating out of London and Manchester and Glasgow and Dublin and Belfast? You know, do we need that stuff or do we really just need...

33:10The algorithm to work for us. You'd have all these things. You had all the different gatekeepers. You'd have press and radio and TV and even latterly, I suppose, curated playlists, things like that. none of those moves the dial anymore. They're effectively now legacy media. They used to work. That was the apparatus that record companies used in order to promote and get their artists discovered and all of those things. And by the way, they absolutely abused that process. It never worked perfectly, but at least, you know, great stuff did rise to the top. But now it is all done, as you say, by the algorithms principally of TikTok.

33:43As these people said in their own statement, you know, weight of population matters hugely. And even people at Warners have said that in their own statements. is like, in the Anglophone world, the US is going to dominate, and you have to be a success on streaming instantly, and you have to be a success globally, or it doesn't work. And really, you have to be, in this case, a success in the Anglophone world. And I think that it's very difficult for them to argue against this population. And we can do so much more for you, as they've put it. Headcount right-sizing, one of those euphemisms. And so you think, okay, well, who runs Atlantic Records over in the States, who are now essentially overseeing Warner's UK and overseeing all those new bands and young bands and, you know, the pipeline that we've known and loved for many, many years.

34:29Who is running Atlantic Records? Two people. And the surnames will be familiar to anybody who was listening to the people who run the big record labels because one is Val Blavatnik, who is Len Blavatnik's son, who's on the board of Warner Music Group in the States and runs Atlantic Records. And the other is Elliot Grange, who is the son of Lucian Grange, who runs the Universal Music Group. I'm not saying there's any nepotism here at all, but certainly two of the men who run the two biggest music groups in the world, their two sons are running Atlantic Records and now in charge of all of Warner's music.

35:01But by the way, Elliot Grange, absolutely could be a British celebrity boyfriend. Who's he dating? Sophia Ritchie, who is a sort of nepo model slash influencer. She's Lionel Ritchie's daughter, Nicole Ritchie's sister. I think they're married now and they have children. Yes, they seem very happy. And she's Kardashian adjacent. Yes, she is. Everything is becoming a singularity. Yeah, it is. Every single thing is becoming a singularity. Yeah, everything flows through a very small group of people. Now, Elliot Grange, well and good saying, is a Nepo baby. But, you know, he, out of college, you know, started running music nights and started, you know, promoting things.

35:39Then sets up a record label. It's so Kendall. Sorry, it's so Kendall. I mean, Kendall from Succession, not Kendall Jenner. The other dynasty, yes. Yes. Given what his dad does, you know, he's got a hip-hop label. He used to do spread betting when he was a teenager on gold, sugar and oil. Did he? I keep thinking of Kendall just saying that, just trying to destroy Walter when he's in that senior session, saying the only two verticals that are working are food and weed. That's the sort of person I see Elliot Ranger as. You know, when we talked about nightclubbing and what had ruined it, and one of my things that I said had ruined it was bottle service.

36:12Yes. When he was at university, he started up a bottle service promotion. thing in Boston nightclubs where he went to college. But he set up his own record label, 10K Records, and he absolutely plowed the TikTok furrow. Ice Spice would be probably the biggest act that he has on the label. He's obsessed with SoundCloud as well. He just thinks it's like a place where you can see immediately, you can reach out immediately to people. You can see the average age of people using it is like something ridiculous, like 19 or 20. And you can see what they're doing immediately. And by the way, he's right.

36:44Yeah. I mean, that is an incredibly useful tool if you are a record company executive. And, you know, his record label did well, and now he's running Atlantic. But by the way, his father, Lucian Grange, did things a completely different way. And he grew Universal Music Group to, you know, billions upon billions upon billions of value by doing things the old way, the traditional way. So perhaps that works as well. But so Elliot Grange got into Atlantic Records via the medium of having his own label, which was very, very, very TikTok influence. So that is definitively the way that Atlantic Records is going to go.

37:14which means that's the way that Warner Music is going to go as well. So if you talk to anyone who's in the British music business, it's sort of they just feel sad, I think. I think they feel like an era has ended. I think they feel like the organic way in which bands used to grow and acts used to grow can't really happen anymore. I think they feel like they are resigned to the algorithm deciding everything that we are going to listen to. And again, algorithms sometimes, you know, work for a very good reason. So, you know, there's all sorts of bands who wouldn't have been discovered, who will be discovered because of the algorithm.

37:49But we are losing a subculture over here. I get it. If I was in the British music business, I'd feel much the same. Despite, by the way, as we say, the many, many, many excesses of the British music business over the years and the many issues with it. But what you would hope, it does provoke a reaction. You would hope that actually if Warner Music and if, you know, Sony Universal follow their lead over here, if suddenly they abandon that whole network of A &R people and of, you know, bands and acts organically growing and, you know, subcultures in certain cities spawning acts who then team up with each other.

38:25and then suddenly you've got this stuff, then you have to figure that the independent sector will find a way to make money, will suddenly go. It's all very well finding, you know, a big hit on TikTok, which is one minute, 20 seconds long and has this amazing hook, which hits exactly the right time and exactly the right video. That's all grand and there's loads of money to be made in it. But does that mean you're going to find Adele or Coldplay or Stormzy? I mean, almost certainly not. No major even can make a deal with an artist in the way that they would have been able to 10, 20, and obviously many years before that, because people are saying, no, I'm not going to give you nearly so much of my ownership.

39:03You're more of an artist service company to me. I have other ways of reaching out directly. I'm not kind of completely dependent on you for distribution and things in the way that I would have been. I do think people see that business of having to be global. And I do think that they see that they have to be with a company that kind of pushes you straight into the US is helpful. Another thing I will say is that I do think so many of these people, these labels have become so sort of, they're risk averse anyway. If you look at just how much money is now being spent on buying catalogs, this is like some, you know, just buying things.

39:40They just regard them as, it's a form of venture capital. They all feel like, I went into music and I'm now sort of in venture capital. That's where so much capital is flowing into in the music industry. It might have been, in the old days, you would hope we've been on new deals that might discover new things. About 20 billion has gone into buying these back catalogs really recently. Warners and Bain did a JV, a joint venture. And I think they put a billion immediately into buying things. And we've got the red hot chili peppers, things like that. So much of it is this back catalog, kind of private equity driven stuff where it's just an asset.

40:15And it's just going to give you a steady income. And it's not about discovery. It's a form of being stuck in the past. Yeah, and you talk to it again, anyone in the industry, and they all say that. They'll say so much of our job now, if you are Sony or if you're Universal or if you're Warners, is back catalogue. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is because we have the canon of music that will sell forever. You know, your Queens, your Beatles, stuff like that. And it is enormously profitable, but it is not the industry that almost all of those people signed up for. They did not sign up for an industry where everything is either A, something that you heard on TikTok this morning, or B, something that was released in 1976, which is where all the money now is coming from in the UK music business, because that's where all the money is coming from in the US music business.

41:01And those two things have become the same thing. So the two ways to become a really, really big famous artist now are either to be on TikTok or to already be a big famous artist. Those are your only two weeks in. But it's interesting. So Elliot Grange said to the Wall Street Journal, he said, I'm not doubting any of the human capabilities of these great guys, women and companies. However, they grew up in the fax machine era. And he's absolutely right, by the way. They did absolutely grow up in the fax machine era. But he has to recognize that he's growing up in the TikTok era. And in 20 years time, TikTok will sound as ridiculous as a fax machine.

41:35And however you make money in the next five years, I absolutely get it through TikTok. But there will never, ever, ever be a replacement for going to a small room above a small pub and seeing an actor, seeing a band play live, sing live, who absolutely blow you away. So that industry will still exist. It just won't be this behemoth industry that everyone has grown up with over the last 30 years. But there'll be some smart young entrepreneur, and there are, you know, you can see in the grime scene and stuff like that, the money that people are making through live events, through kind of acts that they've just discovered, through monetizing things in different ways.

42:13That becomes a sort of new version of punk, becomes a new way of finding music and making music. And the absolute sort of needle sharp following of profits that TikTok brings and basically everything in America brings is absolutely all well and good. And it will make a lot of people a lot of money. But it feels like it leaves a vacuum. And the one thing that creativity loves is a vacuum. And we should say that independent is growing all the time. And I mean, completely independent. People who are not tied to any labor and stay independent, even the bigger they get. And they don't ever have to have an association with a major and they can get bigger and bigger.

42:50And there are many, many artists like that who have gone all the way and it's becoming a bigger and bigger share of things. Because people feel they don't need the services that the record company provides or they can piece them together from different places. They don't need one person to manage it all for them. Well, that's the advantage of TikTok and YouTube and things like that is, you know, if you have something about you, there are ways and means that you can get your music heard. We talk about it only because you talk to anyone in the British music industry at the moment and everyone feels very sad and unhappy that their industry is not what it was.

43:20And that's tough when you've been in it for 30 years or something like that. And you're not at the stage where you can start again and think, oh, great, yeah, but this gives me the opportunity to go off by myself and set something up. You know, you're not going to do that when you're, you know, 55 or 60. You're just not. There's a sadness for a generation. There's an opportunity for a generation. But I do think that singularity where everything is moving to one point, which is a group of people listening to TikTok who are in the orbis of the Kardashians seems to be just infecting every single one of our industries.

43:53And Lem Blavatnik seems to be at the top of all of it. I mean, fair play to him. Okay, that was very interesting. But I am also extremely interested, Richard, to hear from you about what might be the number one book this Christmas. Everything's really ramping up now as to what's selling, what's not selling, what's about to sell. So I just wanted to mention a few things that people maybe had not heard of, which I think would make great presents for Christmas. But I'll also predict what I think is going to be Christmas number one. Because we've been right the last couple of years. The entertainment gift guide should be a thing.

44:24Shouldn't it just? Yes, okay. Yeah, exactly. Shall we start with autobiographies? So autobiographies have had a terrible time of it. That was 10 years ago. That's the only thing that sold was autobiographies. They went crazy. You know, Billy Connolly's autobiography, Peter Kay. These were the huge, huge, huge sellers. and now they're like none of them are selling an awful lot but I think there's quite an interesting crop this year so again if you know someone who likes any of these people Kathy Burke has an autobiography out I mean that's going to be a good read right Bradley Wiggins if you're minded I wonder how much we'll hear about what really goes on in cycling there Gazza has a new one out which apparently is like I've read the serialization I mean he's certainly got a story to tell has he not?

45:04several stories Anthony Hopkins has got one out that feels like the thing that 10 years ago would have sold like a million copies. Nowadays, honestly, there's something about the autobiography market that's collapsed, which may be that everyone shares everything about themselves on Instagram constantly. There's no kind of magic to anything anymore. Yes, although I don't think of someone like Anthony Hopkins as that type of person. I found him, you know, for his whole career, he's been so inscrutable in so many ways. But perhaps just the general idea of sharing has just made people feel they have it all the time anyway.

45:35Ben Elton has one out. Freddie Flintoff has Chris McCausland. The comedian has one out. Mark Ronson, Night People. That's a really good autobiography. The autobiography, I think, might sell best is Susie Wolfe, the racing driver and F1 exec and all that stuff. She's got a book called Driven, which is pretty much what every single book ever written by anyone who's worked in F1 is called. But it works as a title. F1 and things like that sell incredibly well. Guy Martin, who does all the kind of motorbike shows and stunt shows on Channel 4. his autobiographies always sell like absolute crazy and you can see publishers going wait a minute we published a book by a hollywood actor and it's selling a tenth of this book by a guy who just drives a motorcycle does he does he just do that it's an incredibly engaged fan base as we know it's incredibly engaged and when you want to gift something of course something that's in the world that you understand that you love is is an incredibly great gift so i think susie wolf might be the biggest seller there.

46:33In terms of the nonfiction, Jamie Oliver is absolutely back, back, back. So he's had a few years where he's sold fewer copies. And for whatever reason, often his marketing department's got better. His book, Eat Yourself Healthy, is his biggest selling book for a really, really long time. And that's absolutely in the running for Christmas number one. Mel Robbins, the self-help guru who does the let them theory. And Mel Robbins has sold probably more books around the world than anybody. So she might be a Christmas number one. Bear Grylls has done the story of Jesus, the greatest story ever told.

47:05Eyewitness accounts of the story of Jesus, essentially told by other people from the Bible. Listen, it's got great reviews. I had a little look through. I thought, yeah, but it's got a lot of five-star reviews. But what about the one-star reviews? I thought, I'll have a look at some of those. The only two I could find, one was, really loved this book, but it was delivered to the wrong address. That was a one-star. Okay. And this book is terrific, but the font is very small. So Bear Grylls...

47:59Brilliant. In fact, there's a quote on the front of it from the podcast, because we were so nice about them. And they said, could they use it? And they said, yeah, of course they could. But that, for any teen, anyone who's interested in the world, that's an unbelievably great gift. It's called This Way Up. And I think that is going to be a surprise bestseller this Christmas as well. I think Susie Wolfe is going to take people by surprise. I think This Way Up is going to take people by surprise as well. John Elledge has written a book called History of the World in 47 Borders. I love this book.

48:28I love John O 'Lich and I love the way he looks at the world. And this is, again, all these kind of disputed borders, all sorts of different things. It's broken down into sections and you can do one at a time and you'll just know something about a bit of the world that you didn't understand before. That's a terrific one. And he's a funny writer as well. So he writes it in a very entertaining way. So it's not stodgy at all. So that's almost like the grown up version of This Way Up. But both of those books, I think would be absolutely incredible presence for anyone who's interested in the world at all, which is sort of all of us I would say.

48:58In terms of novels, Dan Brown's The Secret of Secrets is not going to be the Christmas time one I absolutely guarantee that which is sold very well but it's not in the way that Dan Brown used to sell. Ones I'd recommend, Anne Cleaves has a new Shetland book out, a new Jimmy Perez book, The Killing Stones and everything that Anne Cleaves writes is incredible. Mick Heron's Clown Town, if you love Slow Horses, his new book is terrific as well. William Boyd has a new book out, Bob Mortimer, Martina Cole has a new one out no regret her book is called but christmas number one what is going to be christmas number one guinness book of records always in the fight in fact it was christmas number one last year so that's a possibility other possibilities for christmas number one board of lunch nathan anthony who's one of these food bloggers whose books sell like absolute billy oh and he's coming out for the christmas market this year often those books come out in january he's coming out for the christmas market that absolutely has a shot and Clarkson is bringing out another diddly squat and bringing out quite close to Christmas which is the coward's way of bringing out a book because uh you know it gives you more chance of being Christmas number one if he had any guts at all Clarkson he'd have any guts at all yeah if he ever if he was any sort of a man he's coming out late and in an attempt to to steal that uh away so they might do it but this is the book I think will be Christmas number one I think Christmas number one this year, you know, the boy, the mole, the fox and the horse.

50:23Yes. Charlie Mackenzie, which came out a few years ago, was an absolute phenomenon. And also because it's got the boy, the mole, the fox and the horse. Also, I always think of the question writers on Only Connect when a list of four things comes up, because you just think of them going, oh my God, thank you so much. This is like a perfect question for us. But he has a new book out, which is the same characters. It's a clever idea. And it's called Always Remember. and I think that that will be our Christmas number one. He's the biggest selling author of recent years, but the second biggest, sorry, I should say, because the biggest is you.

50:58I know, but I think Christmas number one might be. I love that you don't want to talk about it, but I want to talk about it. I'd like to be the biggest selling book, but just in that Christmas week, in that very, very, very final week. But in recent years. Which is the big one. Overall, is he. But yeah, I hope to sell more than him because I always hope to sell more than everybody. Yes, I know you do. Because despite how I present myself, I'm very alpha and you know so I like oh my god wait you care about ratings yeah you waited a long time in this podcast to make me think about that I know I know but I'm very happy with everyone thank you so much everyone who's talked to me about the impossible fortune as well because it's that's been a lot of fun and I like being in the game yeah I like that I liked the year where I beat Barack Obama for Christmas number one absolutely that was a lot of fun listen doesn't matter what I think about what I'm going to do I am going to go for we got Myrtle right we got Guinness Book of Records right I'm going to go for three out of three with Charlie McEasey's Always Remember as Christmas number one but I would really really recommend This Way Up and History of the World in 47 Borders if you're looking for a Christmas present I won't do any recommendations this week because I feel like I've just done some You've done one or two there Yes exactly but do you have any?

52:06I do I have TV I am absolutely loving Riot Woman Sally Wainwright BBC drama it's amazing after sort of 15 minutes you kind of love all the characters she is incredible I mean she obviously the cast is incredible Joe Scanlon Lorraine Ashburn Amelia Bill Moore Tansom Greig yeah oh my god Rosalie Craig she must have punched the air when she got that role Jesus I mean it's amazing so I absolutely love Sally Wayne I love the show on the BBC on Sky Comedy The Chair Company oh I haven't watched it yet I'm so excited I love Tim Robinson so much he's amazing and I think there's only just two episodes out now and they're dripping out once a week.

52:50I can only say that a minor workplace accident occurs, a journey into the heart of a conspiracy begins. But it's so unique. He's so unique. If you haven't seen I Think You Should Leave, which is his sketch show, watch five minutes of that. If it is not for you, you can leave it alone. If it is for you, if you suddenly go, oh, wow, that's interesting because I sort of felt like I'd seen every type of comedy there was and this is slightly different. Someone's just opened the door to something completely different. Yeah, yeah. And if it appeals to you, then you have a lot of fun things to catch up on.

53:18But I'm very excited to watch The Chair come to me. Oh, my gosh. I'm excited to talk to you about it. Okay. That's about us. We will be back on Thursday with a Q &A edition with Ben Alton. With your questions. We'll be asking your questions to Ben. To Ben Alton. That is whole career. And we will be doing a special Celebrity Traitors episode, which will come out moments after the completion of Thursday's episode. So there are two episodes this week, Wednesday and Thursday, and it will come moments after the completion of Thursday's. Hugely excited. We love this part of our job. Hugely excited. Oh my God, it's literally the best.

53:55It is the best. I cannot wait for those two episodes. But in the meantime, thanks everyone and we'll see you on Thursday. See you on Thursday.

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